A few minutes later, Momentum activist Cathleen Clarke and former Tony Blair adviser John McTernan appeared on Sky News to sort it all out for confused viewers.
“Flounders” might have been a more appropriate animal.
It’s painfully entertaining viewing, but Gordon Brewer’s persistence pays off right at the end as we finally discover that Scottish Labour’s answer is “No – even if a clear majority of Scottish people vote for parties explicitly calling for a second independence referendum, and return a majority of pro-indy MSPs to Parliament, we will not consider that sufficient support.”
Which would mean there was no democratic route left open to Scotland to achieve independence. So what is it that he suggests we do?
Yeah, we know, that could be a really long article. But we have a specific thing in mind.
Over the last few days, Jo Swinson and Willie Rennie have both endured toe-curling interviews trying to defend the comically-indefensible hypocrisy of the party’s positions on Brexit and independence.
(If you haven’t been following, official policy now is that a Lib Dem election win is a clear and unimpeachable mandate to carry out their manifesto promises, but an SNP election win isn’t a mandate to carry out theirs.)
But it’s not the mere crass, transparent hypocrisy that makes them stupid.
In normal times we’d at least find today’s landmark defeat of the UK government in a Scottish court amusing. But these are not normal times, and at the present moment our toxic loathing of every politician in Westminster makes it a bitter fruit.
Although we must admit this bit still did manage to raise a smile:
(The reason, incidentally, is that the English High Court wasn’t sitting in August.)
What does it all actually mean, though? Well, nothing good.
Supporters of the opposition’s plan to block a no-deal Brexit have been proclaiming vindication this weekend over a couple of polls which show significantly lower support for the Tories, and a lead for Labour, in the event that a general election is called after 31 October with Brexit not having happened.
In that scenario, Tory voters tell pollsters that they’re more likely to defect to the Brexit Party, and the resulting split in the Brexit vote appears to point towards a Labour-led government if you plug the figures into a site like Electoral Calculus.
The reality is much more complicated than that. But what we’re specifically interested in is how it would affect the chances of securing a second indyref, so let’s take a look.
Sitrep: we’ve given up any hope of turning on the television and seeing a politician – any politician – telling the truth.
Boris Johnson is lying about negotiating a new deal with the EU. Jeremy Corbyn is lying about pretty much everything (in so far as he even knows what he wants the truth to be, let alone what it actually is). Jo Swinson is lying about wanting to meaningfully work with other parties to stop Brexit. Nicola Sturgeon is lying about wanting to stop a no-deal Brexit – she just wants to stop Brexit full stop.
(Unfortunately, this also means she’s lying about having any real intention of holding a second independence referendum before 2021. If she did, she wouldn’t have all her MPs and MSPs frantically running around parliaments and courtrooms trying to destroy her own democratic mandate for it, which would leave her needing to secure a fresh one 20 months from now. And assuming she’d have any more idea how to put it into practice than she has with the ones she’s already got.)
The government is lying about the fact that it doesn’t have confidence in itself, and the opposition is lying about the fact that it does. Everyone now says they want an election, but somehow it isn’t happening because nobody wants it yet, and nobody can agree when they DO want it, and they’re all lying about why.
And absolutely everyone is lying about the fact that whatever they’re trying to do right now has any chance of solving the present shambles. Johnson is just stalling to run the clock down until no-deal, although he swears blind that he isn’t, and the opposition just wants to drag the whole agony out for several more months with not the slightest clue what they’d actually do then.
Grimly, the closest thing that British voters currently have to an honest man is Nigel Farage, who is at least clear about what he wants and what he’s prepared to do to get it. Which is ironic, as he’s only anywhere near getting it because he’s spent his entire political career lying through his teeth about it.
We don’t mind telling you, folks, it’s been pretty hard to get up in the mornings.
So, British politics, eh? We’re basically on strike until things make at least an iota of sense, because there’s no point in attempting political analysis right now when events can overtake you before you’ve finished typing a sentence.
But let’s just have a quick recap on what we know.
So it seems like our semi-idle musings about the possibility of starting a new list party for the Scottish Parliament generated some interest last month.
(That’s more than the whole of 2018, more than the whole of 2017, and over five times the previous biggest single month since we moved to our current stats provider in December 2014.)
But yeah, nobody cares and it’d be certain to fail, apparently.
sarah on Vibecoding A Better World: “It was starting to go wrong just before I took early retirement from HMRC in 2005. It was, I believe,…” Oct 29, 12:36
diabloandco on Vibecoding A Better World: “Can you no use babywipes for cleaning up Novichok ? I seem to remeber that’s what the folk of Salisbury…” Oct 29, 12:32
James Che on Vibecoding A Better World: “Sarah, I too am extremely appreciative that I had held on to old fashioned paper work and resisted going full…” Oct 29, 11:10
Minceheid on Vibecoding A Better World: “Are you sure you’re not thinking of Jet Set Willy? That game had a generous helping of bugs which made…” Oct 29, 11:07
Rev. Stuart Campbell on Vibecoding A Better World: “If you think the human-run aspects of HMRC are any better I have some extremely distressing news for you.” Oct 29, 10:45
James Che on Vibecoding A Better World: “Being deleted from AI automated computers led to extreme poverty in my case while trying to pay for funerals and…” Oct 29, 09:18
BLMac on Vibecoding A Better World: “Damn, we’ve just got past the SNP’s cabal of angry men in frocks identifying as women debacle. Are we now…” Oct 29, 09:17
Hatey McHateface on Faces In Sand: “Consensus across the MSM is clear – yesterday’s “do nothing” budget fired the starting gun for a WM GE in…” Oct 29, 09:04
sarah on Vibecoding A Better World: “Yes, you’re right. Plus a filing cabinet can’t be hacked. But let the Rev have a break and enjoy himself…” Oct 29, 09:01
James Che on Vibecoding A Better World: “The perfect example of Where AI and computers running government can go wrong that could effect and affect everyone on…” Oct 29, 08:59
Dan on Faces In Sand: “Sigh… Response held in moderation because the links must have had “bad” words…” Oct 29, 08:29
James Che on Vibecoding A Better World: “The suspicion that AI would have have any more humanity in its laws and policies than the SNP to run…” Oct 29, 08:23
Nicky T Naquetti on Vibecoding A Better World: “I remember the glory days of “Digitizer”. It is hard to forget lines like: “It’s not every day a large…” Oct 29, 08:13
Hatey McHateface on Faces In Sand: “From an article about Rosebank in the Guardian Online: “The Guardian also revealed on Tuesday that the Treasury had already…” Oct 29, 07:44
Hatey McHateface on Faces In Sand: ““Which explains what happens in a colony, ‘where the colonized wish to develop and the colonizer holds him back’ (Memmi)”…” Oct 29, 07:25
Aidan on Faces In Sand: “Okay – so reading between the lines this is another one of these schemes dreamt up in the public sector…” Oct 29, 06:54
twathater on Faces In Sand: “There is a very interesting post on Mark Collets blog if anyone is interested” Oct 29, 02:38
WhoRattledYourCage on Vibecoding A Better World: “Do Fairlight or Manic Miner, only without the fucking bugs in them that made them crash when you got near…” Oct 28, 23:39
Southernbystander on Faces In Sand: “I’m afraid the moon is merely made of cheddar so I think you might have been had.” Oct 28, 23:14
Alf Baird on Faces In Sand: ““as part of that study did ask any shipping or freight operators whether they’d be interested in shipping their goods…” Oct 28, 22:06
Spartan 117 on Faces In Sand: “You’ll get no argument from me Dan regarding any of your points raised. The closure of Grangemouth was an utterly…” Oct 28, 21:56
Dave on Vibecoding A Better World: “I’m glad to see you back and posting, Stu. I was a bit concerned by the silence and thought that…” Oct 28, 21:36
Aidan on Faces In Sand: “It’s not a question of NO aircraft flying. If; – independence significantly reduces demand on the rUK – Scotland routes;…” Oct 28, 19:51
Dan on Faces In Sand: “Ach, who knew in a self-governing Scotland so many folk would lose their jobs because we wouldn’t have any aircraft…” Oct 28, 19:12