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  1. Tinto Chiel says:

    I could see Big Ronnie in such a suit and biking it along that road but since the skein of geese is obvs. CGI, I suspect the latter.

    I like the detail of the gear change as the hoof slips off.


    Not so sure now.

  2. Dan says:

    @ Tinto

    Good timing posting that coo vid! Just for you I will try to find that spot tomorrow on a motorbike run. 🙂

  3. Dan says:

    Apparently the coo vid is on the north side of Kingshouse at Covis.
    Whilst on the south side of Kingshouse is the James Bond Skyfall Road.

  4. Tinto Chiel says:

    As Dan says, it’s the wee road behind the Kingshouse hotel, near the Glen Etive turn off. Look out for the bridge with the curved superstructure.

    Looks like a fine day for the bike: safe journey.

  5. Dan says:

    Frost clearing, sun’s oot and big blue skies for the cruise. 🙂

    Pre-ride checks complete…

    Public Service Broadcast – Go!

    Motorcycle – As The Rush Comes

    Steppen Wolf – Born To Be Wild

  6. Tinto Chiel says:

    Bet Da Rev likes “As The Rush Comes” too, mad raver that he is.

    And if you’re stepping on the wolf, surely this would also be appropriate:

  7. Tinto Chiel says:

    But never ride pillion with a biker who likes this one:

    Apologies @ Dan: for some reason I thought it was BDTT going on the road this morning hence my “As Dan says…” remark.

  8. Dan says:

    Great success! Jist home after hunners o’ miles in the saddle.

  9. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Dan’s pic from the video location, earlier today.

  10. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Dan’s pal’s pic from the video location, different angle.

  11. Dan says:

    Cheers for posting pics Brian.
    Chillin’ oot noo and enjoying the natural high that comes with a glass or twa of grape derived vino rouge, and to keep me hydrated some complimentary water I collected from the the river Etive at the end of the Jimmy Bond Skyfall road. The H2O tastes michty braw. Just hope none of the kayakers running the waterfall upstream were coked / doped / shroomed up and pissing in the water… 🙂

  12. Tinto Chiel says:

    @BDTT 7.47:braw, Crèise and BEM in the one shot via Dan Da Man.

    @Dan : meant to warn you re kayakers and their camper vans on the road to Loch Etive. Even I got pissed off with them in my evil Passat diesel last October. At least you got home safe.

  13. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Yi know how most campervans/motorhomes are van-based?

    I saw one today that had a lorry front end. First I’ve ever seen. Onnyhoo, gonna be spending my April holiday attaching the stuff that I have in storage, to my wee Berlingo Romahome.

    Like the reversing sensors, reverse camera/mirror, two-tone horn, extra leisure battery, 240v inverter (to power a microwave), solar panels and so on.
    I wonder how many of these jobs will be completed?

  14. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    When I was, successfully, being educated towards my English Higher, our teacher, Mr Kippen, had a number of language philosophies.

    The one that has remained with me is that you should rarely have to use get/got or any of its derivatives in a sentence. He opined that the use of get/got was (I paraphrase) ‘clunky’, ie, inelegant and superfluous.

    You can say, ‘I got soaked’ or ‘I was soaked’.

    ‘Let’s see what we have got’. ‘Let’s see what we have’.

    I would love for Alexander Armstrong to proceed through an episode of ‘Pointless’ without using get/got or any of its derivatives. He is SO guilty!

  15. Tinto Chiel says:

    “He is SO guilty!”

    Indeed, of offences against singing. Yon Posh Boy can get stuffed 😉 .

    A few Christmasses ago I was in the queue at the supermarket and the woman in front of me with a full trolley had problems paying with her card. Eventually the payment went through but she then saw a pile of AA’s Christmas Album beside the till, so we had to endure another few minutes of payment delay, while she footered about.

    As she toddled off and I took her place the till-lady said, “All that fuss over a crap CD!”

    I rest my case.

  16. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Typing about ‘singers’…

    This guy is one of my favourites. In the early 80s, whilst at a job in North Shields, on the way back home, I took a detour to visit Whitley Bay – couldn’t find the social club though…

  17. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Whilst watching the videos linked to above, this one was a follow-on.

    Kinda appropriate for the royal shenanigans on 6th May. I’ll miss them – joining the march to Glasgow Green at George Square, then the rest of the afternoon at Glasgow Green. Then Wingers congregating at The Clutha.

  18. Tinto Chiel says:

    Good chish and fips (and crazy golf) in Whitley Bay IIRC.

    Been musing deeply about putting our faith in supposedly charismatic politicians to lead us to the promised land and have ended up sympathising with these naughty boys:

  19. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    RE: The Stranglers.

    This cover always reminds me of the long version on ‘Light My Fire’ by The Doors. I think it’s the keyboard work and the way the whole thing is put together.

    The Doors…

  20. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    long version OF ‘Light My Fire’!

  21. Tinto Chiel says:

    Although I don’t think Dionne Warwick has aged particularly well in that vid, Dave Greenfield was always a mean keyboard player and I hear what you mean about similarities between the two tracks.

    Always loved the the wonderfully souped-up Bach twiddly bit (technical term) at the start and end of The Doors’ track.

  22. Tinto Chiel says:

    Twiddlybits à gogo here in this amazing piece by Rameau:

    Wonderful technique from JT, a young man who actually seems to enjoy playing music.

  23. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Aye, he can play!

  24. Tinto Chiel says:

    Fanks, Brian, for taking the trouble to find the English bit. I’d given my comment up as I thought it was probably at the string’s dead end.

    Bonus track: Burns’ last poem, sung bravely a cappella by Mr Paterson.

  25. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Inspired by one of the questions on Pointless a couple of days ago, a little heard (now) Bee Gees single from 1967.
    Fine use of mellotron in this. Piano and mellotron work so well together.

  26. Michael McCabe says:

    Just popping in to say hello. ?

  27. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    You’ve been keeping a low profile!

  28. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I’ve been watching this over the past few days –

    Rather enjoyed it. The primary plot is looking at a cold case missing person case.
    There is a secondary plot, involving the investigator’s daughter, who is also missing. Then another (high profile) girl goes missing from a private school.
    However the trailer mention that got me watching it involves allegations of infiltration of the SNP by MI5.
    It is set mainly in Glasgow and Galloway, with a wee detour to London. And James Cosmo plays a central character in it.
    4 episodes, each around 46 minutes. Recommended.

  29. Tinto Chiel says:

    Some of the house scenes from Six Four were shot not far from me. The external scenes for the execrable Two Doors Down are also shot in the area.

    Walked up and down waiting to be discovered but zilch.

    “Ready for my close-up, Mr DeMille!”

  30. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    So, you could have been famous in your own lunchtime?

  31. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    My claim to fame is that, once upon a time, I regularly occupied Julie Andrews’ bed.

  32. Tinto Chiel says:

    Stop teasing and start telling.

  33. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.
    Up until I was 8 years old, my family lived in a 2 bedroom flat (with only a toilet and kitchen) on the second floor of a tenement in Nethergate. My maternal granny had a large front corner flat on the top floor in the same closie.
    The building was around 250 yards from The Palace Theatre. My Granny was what was known as a ‘theatrical landlady’, as she had many lodgers among the ‘turns’ who were on at The Palace.
    Julie Andrews’ parents had a music hall act and appeared now and again at The Palace. They had a young Julie with them. This would have been late 40s/early to mid 50s.
    Julie slept in a solid (iron?) bedstead.
    When my family moved to a 3 bedroom house in St Marys, Granny donated some furniture to furnish the extra bedroom, including the iron bedstead, which my brother and I shared for years, until we got bunk beds.
    So there!

  34. Tinto Chiel says:

    Och, Brian, I confess I’m a bit disappointed. I’d visualised some steamy convergence of the twain after one of your Broughty Ferry gigs.

    I always knew dear Julie was too good for this world 😉 .

  35. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    This quirky wee song was hidden away as the last track on side 2 of the LP.

  36. Tinto Chiel says:

    Sounds like Chas and Dave on absinthe.

    Oh, BDTT, where did it all go wrong?

  37. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I’ve known of PP Arnold for dunkies, but had never seen a pic or video of her.

    Came across this video a few days ago. Thing is, I remember seeing the band doing this with Madeleine Bell on TOTP. This one was new to me.

    And, to remind yooz of her own better known offerings…

  38. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    The past few minutes, I’ve been reflecting on my ‘social interaction’.

    I reckon that around 80% of it is online, with a 70/30 split WOS/Facebook.
    Of the other 20%, I reckon around 18% is at work and the other 2% is face to face, away from work, like speaking to peeps on the bus or whatever.

    Don’t know what it means, or if it is typical of modern society.

    So here’s a UK Eurovision entry from back in the day, that I remember from the time.

    And while I’m on a nostalgia kick, back in the late 50s/early 60s, we regularly visited my Mum’s cousin in Glasgow. She lived in Riddrie.
    My treat was when she took us to a wee cafe on Alexandra Parade for ice cream, and let me choose something from the jukebox. This was my choice.

  39. Tinto Chiel says:

    PPA had a great voice. I’ve seen that vid of her singing with The Small Faces before and she was pretty good, although it’s not really her style. Smallaxe had a lot of time for Steve M.

    Cripes! The Allisons! Playing live must have been nerve-racking for them.

    My brother had lots of Buddy Holly and Little Richard and I used to listen to his record collection when he was out: a strange mixture of stuff at times, like King Oliver and Lu Watters’ Yerba Buena Jazz Band (Tiger Rag, etc). My most memorable discovery was “I Feel Free” by Cream: it sounded like nothing else at the time. The B-Side was NSU. I remember thinking, “Why are they singing about a German motor car?” Ah, the innocence of youth……

    Meanwhile, in other news, was told at the game on Saturday that the ospreys have arrived on the Clyde in Lanarkshire.


  40. Tinto Chiel says:

    The offending track:

    I find it difficult to post more than one link at a time here.

  41. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I always liked this one from another of their LPs.

  42. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    BTW: Ive found that there is a limit of 4 links in a comment.

  43. Marie Clark says:

    My goodness Brian, that’s a fair walk down memory lane you’ve been giving us these past couple of nights. Ah, the Allison’s. I remember it well, I must have been about 13 at the time. Wonder where all the years went.

    Hi Tinto, what a shame we never got to see your acting debut, Mr De Mille has a lot to answer for.

    Hope that you and yours are all well guys.

  44. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Och, Marie, sumbdee’s gotta keep ‘off topic’ active. Tinto and I seem to be bearing the weight.
    So, I will offer this to all Wingers,

  45. Marie Clark says:

    Wiz that no the white heather club song that opened the show. Good grief I’m giein ma age awa noo, but I never claimed to be a young one.

  46. Tinto Chiel says:

    Hi, Marie. I coulda been a contender……

    ‘Twas not to be, unfortunately, so I had to fall back on my dancing (literally 🙂 ).

    Yes, it’s pretty much only BDTT and I on here. We should really just cut out the middle-man and exchange e-mail addresses. Most O/T stuff ends up on the M/T anyway.

    AOK here so hope the same with you and the fambly. Might be Indy marching season again soo.

  47. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Here’s another couple that you don’t hear so often on the radio these days…

    Och one more, one of my favourites from my teenage years, which I have linked to before, because Greg Lake was involved…

  48. Tinto Chiel says:

    The last one was very WSoP-y. Bet Shy Limbs would feature in one of those Rock Family Tree diagrams they used to do on the telly.

    Don’t remember any of those tracks.

    Gets worse every day 🙂

  49. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    What is “WSoP-y”?

  50. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    BTH: made an @rse of my comment at 11.06.

    Repetition of links unintended.

    Try this as the third…

  51. Tinto Chiel says:

    Whiter Shade of Pale.

    What a big softy you are, BDTT. They certainly come from a more innocent time.

    Presumably we’ll still be able to listen to them when we’re locked up in our 15 Minute Cities to save the planet.

  52. Tinto Chiel says:

    No.1: Why? Why? Why?


    The others?

    Carry on!

  53. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    No 1…

    I was only 8. I find it rather twee and dire now that I am no longer 8.

    Try these…

  54. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Here’s a question for you – which two names connect these three bands?

  55. Marie Clark says:

    Haud oan a meenit Brian, what on earth are you trying to do ta an auld wumman.

    It’s All Over Now I remember buying it, 6/8d it cost me. AC DC yass, had me up bopping aboot, which is no guid for me as I had just finished eating my tea, I’ll need to sit down now.

    A memory lane is a great place. I’m with Tinto, Brian Johnstone, really! It’s that auld it’s got whiskers on it.

    Good man yourself Brian, feel free to keep us going, and thank you, fair brightened up my day.

  56. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Marie.

    Singles seemed to stay at 6/8d for years! I remember buying a Simon & Garfunkel EP (Mrs Robinson +3 tracks) around 1968/9 in Montrose and it was 12 Bob or thereaboots.

    Did you work out the two names connection to the three bands?

    BTW: these were also in the UK charts in 1960. Not quite Bryan Johnson, iye?

  57. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Marie.

    July 1964. “House of the Rising Sun” was at number 1, when I left Dundee for a week at BB camp, near Aberfeldy.
    Returned to Dundee a week later to find HOTRS at #2 and “It’s All Over Now” at #1.

  58. Tinto Chiel says:

    Your 11.48s: all acceptable.

    Not a clue about your quiz but the AC/DC vid was much better quality than others I have seen of the Melbourne gig.

    I see you have just posted another one. I will muse thereon……

    Marie: hope you have recovered from your impromptu bop. God knows what BDTT has planned for us tomorrow.

    The Archies?

  59. Marie Clark says:

    Sorry Brian, I never had a go at answering your question, I got sidetracked by his Bonness and AC/DC. I think it might be George Young and Stevie Young. George older brother of Malcolm and Angus. Stevie young nephew. Was George no Stevie’s da?

    Ah Johnny Kidd and the Pirates, saw them many a long year ago in Paisley toon hall. I think the Hollies were on the bill that night as well. In case you wonder what I was doing in Paisley, I was born and brought up there. Only moved to Dumfries and Galloway when I married a farmer. Used to skate to Apache at the ice rink, Running Bear was always it’s own source of rude amusement among the boys.

    Man I’m really beginning to feel auld noo looking back. Ah happy days.

  60. Tinto Chiel says:

    @Marie: yes, Running Bear/Bare did offer some amusement amongst the boys, like “I used to kiss her on the lips but it’s all over now.” 🙂

  61. Tinto Chiel says:

    My brother had this played at his funeral:

    @Marie:”Ye dancin’?”

    Somewhat infectious, what?

  62. Marie Clark says:

    Are ye askin Tinto? Aye am dancin’ The local group used to play that on a Thursday and Sunday night at the youth club, used to be great fun jivin tae it.

    I really need to remember am no a young yin ony mair, but I just love to dance, as you well know.


  63. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    An individual choice. Funnily enough, I was typing about funeral music with my god-daughter on Facebook Messenger during the week.

    For my funeral, the entry and exit music will be,

    In the middle, will be,

    and, if there’s time,

    coz my Mum sang that to me regularly when I was a bairn – and took me to the Palace Theatre to see Robert Wilson on many occasions.

    I’ll post about the two names in a wee whiley.

  64. Tinto Chiel says:

    I’m pure asking but I think I put my back out reaching for my laptop.

    Ooh, missus!

  65. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    The two names are Harry Vanda and George Young. (A fair bit of copy/paste here.)

    George Redburn Young (6 November 1946 – 22 October 2017) was an Australian musician, songwriter and record producer. He was a founding member of the bands the Easybeats and Flash and the Pan, and was one-half of the songwriting and production duo Vanda & Young with his long-time musical collaborator Harry Vanda.

    Born in Scotland, Young moved to Australia with his family as a teenager, and became a naturalised citizen.[when?] He was a member of the 1960s Australian rock band the Easybeats, and co-wrote with bandmate Harry Vanda the international hits “Friday on My Mind” and “Love Is in the Air”, the latter recorded by John Paul Young (who is unrelated). Vanda and Young were also the producers of early work by the Australian hard rock band AC/DC, formed by his younger brothers Malcolm and Angus Young. Vanda & Young were inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame in 1988 and the Easybeats were inducted in 2005.


    The ‘big freeze’ of 1962–63 was the worst winter on record in Scotland, with snow eight feet deep.[3] A TV advertisement at the same time offered assisted travel for families for a different life in Australia.[3] Fifteen members of the Young family left Scotland by aeroplane in late June 1963,[3] including William’s fifth son, George, and younger sons Malcolm (6 January 1953 – 18 November 2017) and Angus (born 31 March 1955).[2][3] Also aboard were George’s eldest brother Stephen (24 June 1933 – 1989) and his wife and two sons, one of whom was Stevie Young, who later joined AC/DC to replace his uncle, Malcolm Young), his only sister, Mrs Margaret Horsburgh (2 May 1935 – 2019) and her husband and son, and brother, William Jr (born 15 December 1940) and his wife.[4]:?6–7? Another elder brother, Alex (28 December 1938 – 4 August 1997), stayed in the UK, and was later a member of London-based group Grapefruit.[5]:?6–7? A final brother, John Young (born 17 May 1937), had migrated to Australia separately.


    Initially staying at Villawood Migrant Hostel (a site later developed as Villawood Immigration Detention Centre) in Nissen huts, George Young met and became friends with another migrant, Harry Vanda.

    The quotes above are from,

    Johannes Hendrikus Jacob van den Berg (born 22 March 1946), better known as his stage name Harry Vanda, is a Dutch Australian musician, songwriter and record producer. He is best known as lead guitarist of the 1960s Australian rock band the Easybeats who with fellow member George Young formed the 1970s and 1980s songwriting and record production duo Vanda & Young.
    Early life
    Vanda’s family migrated to Australia from the Netherlands in 1963,[1] and settled in Sydney. In the same year he met rhythm guitarist George Young at the Villawood migrant hostel. In 2007, Australian Musician magazine selected this meeting as the most significant event in Australian pop and rock music history.[2] Vanda, who had been a guitarist with the Hague-based band the Starfighters,[3] came to fame in 1964–65 as the lead guitarist of the Easybeats.


    AC/DC included George Young’s brothers, guitarists Angus and Malcolm Young. Vanda & Young produced landmark albums such as Let There Be Rock, Powerage, If You Want Blood You’ve Got It, Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, High Voltage/TNT, amongst others.

    Vanda and Young also had major international success with their own studio-only project Flash and the Pan, achieving many hits round the world over a 15-year period, particularly in Europe where they had many chart topping records. Grace Jones had a hit with a cover of the Flash and the Pan song “Walking in the Rain”.

    These quotes from,

    This song, by Vanda & Young, has been adopted as a kinda anthem by Dundee United supporters.

  66. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    So, the quotes above led me to Grapefruit, a band I’ve always liked.

    When Pete the Camera and I set up our mobile disco at the end of 1975, we chose the title of this song as the name, because I was able to make a jingle out of the chorus.

  67. Tinto Chiel says:

    Dear God, BDTT, you’re surely not thinking of checking out any time soon?

    I pure kennt you’d choose the Bruce March onnyhoo, ya big softy.

    In any case, you’ve interrupted Marie and me putting our hips out to Chuck.

    Re:AC/DC, I knew the fierce winter of 62/63 convinced their parents to emigrate to Australia. Being an EK boy, where we could snowball the Orange Walk in July, it seemed only slightly worse than the other winters of the time (I wasn’t around for the 1948 version).

  68. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.
    I believe I still have petrol in the tank but the carburettor sometimes clogs up. Have you seen the video of “aunties” going mad at the Bay City Rollers? It’s been retweeted to buggery this past week.

  69. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    During the 2020 lockdown, being furloughed from work, I had loadsa time on my hands.

    One thing I did, that was fascinating, was to go back to the original front page in ‘off-topic’, then work my way forward till I was up to date.

    If anyone else wants to delve…

    Check out the usernames who have disappeared.

  70. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I find myself in a nostalgic mood tonight.

    This song rings many bells. In my case, the canvas was the beach at East Haven, just north-east of Carnoustie.

    And this dates in memory, from the same relationship.

    And from a ‘friendship’ in the 80s, whereby a female of the opposite gender referred to me by this name,

    And to finish off, I’ve always found this version of the same song to have a certain charm.

  71. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Hi All,

    Just realised I can get in here without a big palaver – must be this new laptop.

    Just wanted to repeat a heads-up I’ve posted on the MT re this ’emergency test’ the UK Govt has organised for tomorrow, 3pm.

    All mobile phones will be activated with an ’emergency alert’. Ostensibly it’s to make us aware that we may be contacted in the case of some major crisis.

    Plenty of vids on Twitter etc about how to disable the alarms. It turns out they’re already on our phones.

    Did you know? I didn’t.

    If you have an i-phone, go to Settings, then Notifications, scroll to the very bottom and you’ll see two buttons which are already ‘ON’.

    Switch them both off and get your family/friends to do likewise.



  72. Stoker says:

    Mark Stewart, Pop Group frontman and revered countercultural musician, dies aged 62

  73. Tinto Chiel says:

    Welcome, Brother Brotherhood: take a seat around the campfire.

    @BDTT: you’re certainly in a nostalgic mood tonight, ya Big Softy.

    Try this for size:

    Off up Wood Hill to Bedfordshire, mes braves.

  74. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    The melody was fine but the lyrics escaped me.

  75. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Thanks for that.

  76. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    If anyone wants to explore the music of St Andrew & The Woollen Mill, here’s a link…

  77. Tinto Chiel says:

    Exclusive advance warning of the 3 p.m. Alert:

  78. George Ferguson says:

    My eyes are deceiving me. Aberdeen are 2 nil up against the Rangers. What a tonic for Scottish Fitba.

  79. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Aye, good result all round.

    In other news…
    I didn’t realise there was a tune to this wee childhood rhyme.

  80. Tinto Chiel says:

    Sheer filth, that, Brian 🙂 .

    I shall attempt to elevate the tone by announcing that a black-crowned night heron has been spotted on the Clyde near Motherwell. This is very unusual, since even sightings in England are not at all common.

    Saw it myself yestreen.

    That is all.

  81. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I’ve always liked this. It just sprung into my mind for some reason.
    The lyrics are all French words or phrases that are commonly used in the English language.

  82. Tinto Chiel says:

    Always worth hearing again. It has a certain je ne sais quoi 🙂 .

    Kenneth was gifted but troubled, innit? Always good in Round The Horne, too.

    Talking of which, my favourite RTH line of all was after a take-off of Brief Encounter with the clueless middle-class couple Charles and Fiona (Hugh Paddick and Betty Marsden).

    Kenneth Horne’s next line was, “Ah, they knew how to make films in those days, they just didn’t bother.”

    Marty Feldman was a very funny script-writer.

  83. PhilM says:

    I suppose some moderator or other might see this. I’m not posting it on the main page as O/T or on Craig’s page. I don’t want to be shot as the messenger of awkward news.
    There’s a guy on Craig Murray’s website, AC Bruce, who’s pointed out, unfortunately, that it looks like Craig cannot take his case to the Human Rights Committee because the UK has not ratified the First Optional Protocol to the ICCPR. The FOP allows individuals to take their own complaints to the Committee but if a country has not ratified it, it simply cannot be done.
    This test of ‘admissibility’ is so basic that I thought this guy cannot be right. In going over the details, I thought surely I must have made the same mistake but I checked numerous times and it seems to be the case. In Craig’s article he even gets some of the legal jargon wrong. The Protocol didn’t establish the Committee, the Covenant did.
    I am not attacking Craig or his team. Honest to God I’m not but I fear he’s made a pretty big error and he might need to think about closing his fundraising effort as soon as possible.
    I sincerely hope this guy AC Bruce is wrong but I think Craig might have to make a climbdown very quickly.

  84. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi PhilM.

    ‘off-topic’ tends to be light-hearted.

    “quarantine” is maybe where this should have been posted.

    Jiss sayin’ like…

  85. Brian Doonthetoon says:


    TC, you mentioned Marty Feldman.

    For those who haven’t seen it, the link takes you to the original “4 Yorkshiremen” sketch from the 60s.

  86. Tinto Chiel says:

    Think I saw that the first time on TV. Funny but I suspect a lot of Yorkshire folk were tearing their hair out at the attempts at their accent by the Southrons.

    More nonsense:

  87. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Onnyhoo again…

    I tend to download ‘Pointless” so, tonight, I was watching an episode from a couple of days ago, which featured a contestant, originally from Orkney but now in Lancashire, called “Senga”.

    An interesting name.

    A “Senga” was one of our wee social group in the Palais in Dundee in the early 70s. Somebody told me that the name was invented by someone in Glasgow called “Agnes”, who thought that it sounded elderly so reversed it to make Senga, which sounded more exotic.

    Then, while typing this, I remembered that, a few weeks ago, I bought some paperbacks (4 for a pound) from a charity shop just up from my closie. Two were crime fiction (MY genre) and, to make up the numbers, a copy of “1984” (which I have never read) and a “Dictionary of First Names”.
    So I consulted the latter tome.
    It says,
    “Scottish first name that probably evolved from the Gaelic ‘seang’ (slender). Another theory links the name with AGNES, which it spells when read backwards.”

    So, I guess you choose which derivation suits your psyche – Gaelic or Glasgow reverse snobbery.

  88. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    And to follow on,

  89. Tinto Chiel says:


    *Consults Big Boys’ Book of Mediaeval Gaelic*

    Think I would go with the playful reversal. Lots of wee, bought council houses with the wrought-iron name Nia Roo beside the front door Where I Am.

    I rest my case.

    Supplementary: my paternal grandmother’s first name was Agnes. When upbraiding my uncle (who was still living at home at the time) for his questionable behaviour involving booze and women, she followed him into his bedroom to carry on her tirade.

    My uncle’s quick-thinking response to put an end to this tiresome moralising was to undo his trouser belt and reply, “I’ll drap them, Senga!”

    Problem solved.

    He was quite a card was Uncle Jim (a jack, obviously).

  90. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    John Fred & his Playboy Band released an album in 1967 called “Agnes English”.

    Here are two tracks from it.

  91. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    In the early 70s, after I had left school, I had a get-together with a pal from school on Tuesday evenings, to play chess and listen to vinyl. His Mum made us rather fine toast and bacon and coffee for supper.

    He introduced me to this band’s first album so I immediately went out and bought the single. I don’t think it made the charts but it was a decent precursor of what was to come. The interesting thing about it is that the lead vocals have been done in at least two takes, because he comes in over himself. And Brian May built his guitar, with help from his Dad.

    So, that single, and another three tracks that defined the band.

    You can probably tell that I lost interest after “Sheer Heart Attack”, although I did like some subsequent singles.

  92. Tinto Chiel says:

    “You can probably tell that I lost interest after “Sheer Heart Attack”, although I did like some subsequent singles.”

    How so, pilgrim?

    SSoR was a teaker, soaanitwas.

  93. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Maybe it was because they had become ‘not so niche’ as they had been previously.

    I don’t know; they just didn’t interest me as much as they had done. Still a fine band though.

  94. Tinto Chiel says:

    I suppose most bands become less edgy and innovative as they develop. Art School and weird Roxy Music eventually became a smoothed out Byron Ferrari tribute band, innit?

  95. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    This is probably in my top 3 favourite Roxy Music tracks. I didn’t even know of its existence until a punter asked for it at my Bowlin’ Alley residence, around 1977.
    I was able to get it as a 12″ single.

  96. Tinto Chiel says:

    Couldn’t get on to Wings in the last 24 hours and then my post here disappeared.

    Mebbe see you at GG on Saturday if you’re coming down.

  97. Tinto Chiel says:

    Not sure if my lovely carer and I will walk all the way. Will probs hing aboot The Green for a couple of hours but I have a vital cultural event in Motherwell to attend later at 1500hrs which I can’t pure ding-y.

    Moanly going to wave the saltire (Scottish maritime flag, actually) to annoy unionists/NuSNP and to hear what AS has to say.

  98. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hopefully, AS will be on stage early.

    I’ll probably hang around an Alba or Now Scotland or Yes Rutherglen stall.

  99. Marie Clark says:

    Hi guys, sorry I can’t be with you on the march tomorrow, but I’ll be with you in spirit. Good luck, I hope that there is a great turn out.

  100. Tinto Chiel says:

    @MC: wanted a dance with you on The Green, Miss Rogers, but I suppose BDTT (or even Breeks) will have to do (oh, my bunion!).

    All the best to you and yours.

  101. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    A bra’ day oot!

    See my comments on the main page from after 9pm.

  102. Tinto Chiel says:

    Saw them, BDTT. Seems we were standing close to you to the right of stage. Met no-one I knew from the Olden Days but was pleasantly surprised by the numbers.

    One bum note for me was the average age of the crowds. Seems the Young ‘Uns ain’t too keen on marching, which probs ain’t cool.

  103. Marie Clark says:

    Hi guys, glad you had a good day out. From the Photos it looks like a good number of people on the march which is quite heartwarming.

    Unhappily Brian, I can’t read your comment on the main page because for some reason I am unable to connect with it. I can read twitter but not the main blog. I was beginning to wonder if it was another DOS but it sounds as if it’s just me. Sigh, I fair miss getting my daily fix just now.

  104. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Marie Clark.

    Try this link.

  105. Marie Clark says:

    Hi Brian, thanks for the link, it worked a treat. Let me catch up with the MP as well.

    That was a great turn out, about 22,000 they reckon, YES seems to be ready to stand up and fight again. About time too.

    I see from the MP that I’m not the only ne having problems accessing the wings site, wonder what’s going on?

    Onywho Brian thanks again for the link. Sorry that you all got drookit. that’s Scottish weather for you. I was surprised when folk started saying how wet it was, we had a lovely sunny afternoon her in D&G. Hopefully will be able to make some of the other marches.

  106. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I have Channel 5’s “Britain’s Favourite Party Songs” on as my aural wallpaper at the moment and it reminded me of the song linked to below.

    When I started playing this at the Bowlin’ Alley, the punters very soon created a dance where they formed up in lines across the dancefloor and sorta ‘skipped’ back and forward in time to the music.
    So, there could be 10+ lines, one behind the other, all moving back and forward in unison.
    I haven’t come across any reference to this phenomenon online.

  107. Tinto Chiel says:

    Mebbe try that at the next march?

  108. Matt Quinn says:

    It’s a 3d animation…

    Even I am impressed with it!

  109. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Matt Quinn.

    See this link and what follows. You’ll have to click on “Newer Comments” on that page to follow the conversation.

  110. Tinto Chiel says:

    @MQ: so that’s how they did it! Great stuff.

  111. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    This is an interesting story.

    Surprising Brain Activity Moments Before Death

    The link below is to page 1 of 2.

  112. Tinto Chiel says:

    A very good friend of mine had an NDE, a classic one with most of the commonly experienced features. I’ve seen a study of these NDEs which discovered that low oxygen in the brain was not a factor in creating the peoples’ “memories”.

    The friend’s strongest emotion was anger at having to get back in the body and returning to the physical plane.

  113. Tinto Chiel says:

    “The people’s memories” I meant.

  114. Tinto Chiel says:

    And now for something completely different:

    It should be Muir of Huntershill, of course.

  115. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Hiya pals,

    Just popped in to say hello.

    That is all.


  116. Tinto Chiel says:

    Where’s you bin?

  117. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I posted this comment this afternoon on the, now, third oldest page. It was inspired by Mia and Ruby discussing (not only gender) self-ID.

    I’ve added one word to it.

    ” Brian Doonthetoon says:
    19 May, 2023 at 2:44 pm

    Hi Mia and Ruby.

    The blonde singer with Pickettywitch, Polly Brown, “browned up” as half of the duo Sweet Dreams in 1974.

  118. Tinto Chiel says:

    Like many a Tory politician, I do like a good thrash:

  119. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Well, that was a decent tune but any comment on the ‘self-ID’?

  120. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Tinto –

    ‘Where’s you bin?’

    Is that from the un-PC joke about the Chinese rubbish collector, the punchline being ‘Okay, where’s your wheelie-bin?’

  121. Tinto Chiel says:

    @BDTT: my expensive lawyer has advised me to refrain from commenting on that topic (although I may self-ID as George Clooney to get a good restaurant table, etc).

    @Ian B: I can do worse than that.

    How to become an actress: stand in front of the fire until you’re Googie Withers.

    Eh thank yow….

  122. JGedd says:

    I mistakenly posted this on another thread when I meant to post this here. ( I shouldn’t post when I’m busy doing other things. Women are good at multi-tasking? That’s another myth busted.)

    Does anyone remember the title of the Wings article that listed the MSPs who voted for the GRR legislation? I want to check if it highlighted particularly those (not just SNP) who voted down the amendment that would have prevented sex offenders being able to change their identity.) I’m hoping that Dan or that other supreme archivist of Wings, BDTT, will have that information.

    I aim to email all the South of Scotland MSPs who did so and ask if they stand by that choice in the light of the Andrew Miller case.

  123. JGedd says:

    Thanks, BDTT. Got your link over on the other thread where I mistakenly posted. I’ve been all over the place today – sometimes literally. Knew I could rely on you!

  124. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi JGedd.

    In case you’re interested, I went to

    In the “site or domain:” box, I pasted

    In the “all these words” box, I typed

    MSP vote amendment GRRB

    then hit enter/return.

    The page you wanted was at the top of the hits.

    Similarly, to find comments on WOS by, eg, “Smitty” or “Brian Doonthetoon” or whoever…

    Go to,
    Paste or type the username into the “this exact word or phrase:” box.

    In the “site or domain:” box, paste
    then hit enter/return.

    You’ll get a list of hits. Click on each to open in a new tab and go to that tab.
    Press CONTROL and F (Windows) or COMMAND and F (MAC) and a bar will open at the foot of the tab.
    Type or paste the username into the text box there, then use the up/down arrows to find the pertinent comments.

  125. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I’ve been following this Ruskian band for a couple of years. Bought a couple of their CDs for my son, who is into ‘symphonic rock’.
    When Ruskia invaded UK-rain, due to their anti-war stance, they moved to Turkey.
    They are now in the UK, having played Glasgow on 24th January.
    Here’s a quote from the news update email of 7th February.

    We have been endorsed by Arts Council England as Exceptional Talents for the Global Talent Visa UK!!

    This is a special immigration avenue reserved for internationally acclaimed scientists, athletes and artists willing to live and work in the UK.

    To move permanently we need to pay the NHS health surcharge 3 years in advance + other expenses.

    Staying in Turkey is no longer possible.

    We ask for your help to relocate ourselves and the cat to the UK for good, and to become a British band.

    We have set up a new Crowdfunding Page, where we offer tons of new Rewards including a backer-only concert (and there is of course the option to pledge without a reward if you wish so).

    Moving to the UK is a dream come true for us – it is a place where we can once again build on solid rock, and not on sand.
    We can re-create what we did before, but on a different scale, in a better environment and on a different level of quality.

    Help us move now:

    We would have never made it this far without your support!!

    This is the tune wot they have wrote and have pushed it, referencing the UK-rain bourach. The lyrics are below the video.

    A second offering – from the online concert they performed December 2021 (It was rather good). All the info below the video.

    To finish off this comment, I am reminded of this band, who had a fine sound…

  126. Brian Doonthetoon says:


    This video was amongst those on the right of the last video’s page.

    BTW: they’ve changed their name to “The Stone Preachers”.

  127. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    There’s an interesting comparison between two songs.

    Graham Brown wrote the first one, a number of years before the second link appeared on the scene.

  128. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Just popping in again.

    @BDTT – Do you remember a band called ‘Graham Central Station’?

    Just wondering, cause you clearly know your music from that period.

    I won their album at the fair, in the old Transport Museum, Glasgow, must’ve been 1981 or thereabouts. My cousin had an airgun and we used it for target practise. I hadn’t even given it a spin.

    In recent years I discovered that the man was a well-respected soul musician, had worked with James Brown, did some great turns on ‘Soul Train’.

    Have you ever heard of him?

  129. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Ian B.
    I remember the name ‘Graham Central Station’ but, as it wasn’t within my sphere of interest at the time, that’s all I know.

    You’ll be asking me about ‘Black Lace’ Next…

  130. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Guess what? This one I uploaded came up as next to the previous video!

  131. Tinto Chiel says:

    And now for something completely different. Heard this on Radio 3 a few days ago and it caught my attention:

    As someone said btl, it’s like listening to an intergalactic colliery band.

  132. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.
    yi dinnae half come up wie some strange stuff!

    Hannah Peel – Sunrise Through The Dusty Nebula

    Onnyhoo, watching TOTP on BBC4 tonight, this appeared.

    Now, the interesting thing is that this music was released at least a year before as “Jet Boy Jet Girl” by Elton Motello.

    What makes it more interesting is that I had an apprentice DJ at the time and we were in Chalmers & Joy listening to stuff and a different version of “Jet Boy Jet Girl” was one of the singles we were listening to.

    Different style of vocal but still the same backing track, which was the backing track used for “Ca Plane Par Moi”.

    “jet Boy Jet Girl” was on “Lightning Records” Plastic Bertrand wasn’t. I’m sure the PB single had on the label, “Produced by 4 Belgian businessmen”.

    It’s like they had produced this instrumental track but hadn’t quite worked out its market with vocals.

  133. Tinto Chiel says:

    “Yi dinnae half come up wie some strange stuff!”

    But none as strange as Elton Motello, surely, me old haricot?

    Rather an unpleasant little man, imo.

    Let’s have a soothing antidote to That Kind Of Thing:

  134. Dan says:

    Test post to check archive links submit okay.

  135. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Has anyone else seen that advert on TV, for a finance company (can’t remember the name) who are offering online loans at an interest rate of 99.9%???

  136. Marie Clark says:

    Aye Brian, we were at a friends house when the advert came on. All you could hear was the sound of jaws hitting the table. Oh aye, and my beloved remarking, who the f*** is that stupid.

    He’s right enough in what he says, it’s just, eh, he’ll never make the diplomatic corp just calls it as he sees it bless him.

  137. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I’m finding myself pronouncing ‘duration’ as “dooration’ rather than ‘dyooration’.

    Is this a sign of something?

  138. Tinto Chiel says:

    @BDTT: may be of interest.

    I remember Smallaxe found a WWI German archive of recordings of Scottish, Irish, Welsh and English POWs which its linguists undertook over a hundred years ago using Biblical texts as their standardisation measure.

    He posted an example of a Hamilton man who sounded very like the folk I hear around me even today, despite the supposedly insidious effect of Da Meeja on our accents.

    IMO three great reservoirs of authentic Scots pronunciation, expression and idiom are the farming community, the workplace and football crowds.

    I’m presuming the few remaining Gaelic dialects will show similar persistence. Lenny Hartley reported recently on the Wings M/T that a very old Gaelic-speaking lady on Arran had died as recently as The Noughties, although most “experts” had stated the last Gael there had died in the 1930s.

    It’s a funny old game, Saint.

  139. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Interesting stuff TC.

    My aural wallpaper at the moment is Elton John at Glastonbury.
    TBH – I can’t understand the attraction of travelling hundreds of miles to stand half a mile from the stage, watching the performer on the big screens. Might as well stay at home, watch the same as the big screens on TV and hae a few swallies.

    Onnyhoo 2. Turns out Elton John played piano on “He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother” for The Hollies. I may have posted this info before but more interesting is that Rick Wakeman played Stylophone on this hit.

    You’ll hear it coming in now and again right through the song.

  140. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    BTW: saw one or two saltires in the audience.

    BTW2: Graham Brown Band are now “The Stone Preachers”. They’ve got 16 tracks to download at the link below.

    Good stuff! Makes a decent ‘chill-out’ playlist on your favourite music app.

  141. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    BTW: The downloads are FREE!

  142. Tinto Chiel says:

    The Irish nightingale sings one of Mr Joyce’s favourites:

    This song has many versions, depending on who’s singing it.

  143. chic.mcgregor says:

    Did a wee bit more digging on the EveryDoctor revelations (revelations to me at least. Apologies if you lot already know all this, I’ve been out of the game for a while).

    The biggest contributor to prominent Labour MPs by a donor with a strong interest in Private Health is a guy called Peter Hearn. He is described as a ‘recruitment mogul’ and a large part of his interests is in recruitment for private health sectors.

    Through a staffless registered company called MPM Connect he has donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to certain Labour MPs, mainly Yvette Cooper, Dan Jarvis and West Streeting (yes shadow health sec.)
    You have to wonder if he has a sense of humour and MPM stands for Memberof Parliament Money.

    Those three have also had smaller donations from other companies which operate in private health, tech, care etc.

    Starmer has not had any money from Hearn but he has had more than 150,000 donations from various US private health care companies who are trying to ‘break in’ to the UK market.

    The NHS is fucked folks.

  144. chic.mcgregor says:


    It’s a Highland (and Lowland) Coup we need.

  145. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Everybody knows that William Tell (and his son) were pretty proficient with the crossbow.
    However, it is not widely known that William and his son were pretty good bowlers.
    Unfortunately, the records of the Swiss Bowling League were lost in a disastrous fire.
    So, nobody knows for whom the Tells bowled.

  146. Tinto Chiel says:

    “So nobody knows for whom the Tells bowled.”

    Oh, BDTT, what have you done? Quite shameless.

    Thought you might have chosen this well-known hit from the same band:

  147. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    This was the one I ditched in favour of Mr Dupree.

  148. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Have you heard this version? It was actually pre-Associates and was released under the name “39 Lyon Street”, the address of the flat where he lived at the time.

  149. Tinto Chiel says:

    I’ve always loved Metallica’s subtlety 🙂 .

    This is a lot of bells too:

    I rather like that other Kites version. Hearing Party Fears 2 recently made me feel very nostalgic. The world may have been crapola then too but somehow things didn’t seem so bad.

    Fitba’ starts again today: more to worry about.

  150. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    An earlier one featuring the same vocalist.

    That single was on the Regal Zonophone label. I still have it.

  151. Tinto Chiel says:

    I actually think Brian’s voice got weaker with age and he wasn’t a patch on Bon Scott, Kirriemuir’s finest, but I notice some folk btl disagree.

    The sight of that Newcastle strip reminds me of this whimsical wee song from when i was pure leaving skool 🙂 :

  152. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Fine song. I think these two are my favourites from them.

  153. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Fine song. I think these two are my favourites from them.

    I’m having Orkney Cheddar on Lidl’s Cream Crackers tonight for supper. Why are they called “Cream Crackers”?
    I checked the list of ingredients and no cream is abused in their manufacture.

  154. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Kr@p! Didn’t realise I’d submitted before I submitted with the biscuit info.

  155. Tinto Chiel says:

    @BDTT, sometimes Wiki can be your friend: “The name “cream crackers” refers to the method in which the mixture is creamed during manufacture”.

    Don’t think I’d ever heard Scotch Mist before but LE and FOTT were classics.

    Quiet here at the end of the internet, innit?

  156. Tinto Chiel says:

    Oh, look! A comet…

  157. Tinto Chiel says:

    I don’t think I’ve ever been a teenage girl but I can’t imagine what one would see in a man old enough to be her father with a kiss-curl like an overgrown baby.

  158. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    YOU may find this of interest…

    I’ve just downloaded “Cathy Come Home (BBC 1966)” from:-

  159. Tinto Chiel says:

    Thanks for the archive. I usually confine myself to lazily picking the free old films on YT. Call Northside 777 is an excellent Jimmy Stewart “movie” set in Chicago which I remember from my nipperhood. The relevatory scene in the darkroom at the end made a big impression on me.

    I remember CCH the first time around: truly shocking, especially the scene where the “social workers” take away the chillun. Don’t think I could watch it again, it was so powerful and distressing.

    I see those magnificent organs, the BBC and Sky News, gave the wrong score and details in their reporting of the QOS v Motherwell match on Tuesday. They had The Doonhamers as 5-4 victors in a penalty shoot-out after a 3-3 draw because presumably the reporter at the game couldn’t count up to five or tell which team was which (blue and claret and amber are easily confused, I suppose).

    As Macart used to say, “Who knew?”

  160. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    You’ve put me off watching CCH! I watch for entertainment. Of late it has been Outlander, Succession and a whole pile of crime shows, like Grantchester, Foyle’s War, Karen Pirie, DCI Banks, Grace and so on.
    Six-Four is worth watching.

  161. Tinto Chiel says:

    Yes, quite enjoyed Six-Four. Unfortunately they shot both it and the execrable Two Doors Down just down the road from Tinto Towers, much to the inconvenience of the lieges. In fact, they’re shooting a new series of TDD at the mo.

    I occasionally watch Foyle’s War for the hats. Hoping, like Frasier, that the Homburg one day makes a comeback 🙂 .

    Don’t let me put you off: CCH was a great piece of film-making but I couldn’t watch Threads again (a scenario becoming sadly all too possible these days).

  162. Tinto Chiel says:

    Remember that one: liked the lyrics.

    Here’s a whole lot of Hats from possibly Glasgow’s greatest synth band. I am reliably informed you can still see PB kicking around the West End.

    Weather looks good Where I Am. Off to hug a tree.

  163. Tinto Chiel says:

    After much reflection, I have decided it might have been better for me to have appended the link to the Hats comment:

    The whole album is really two-in-the-morning mood music.

    You have been warned………

  164. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Blue Nile link…

    Yes, rather ‘laid back’.

  165. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Here’s a conjecture…
    What if there was a law brought in, that if all four of your grandparents were Scottish, you had to name your children after Scottish place names?

    Glasgow McGurk, Maree McRobb, Ayr Anderson, and so on?

  166. Tinto Chiel says:

    Obviously you would have to go fpr Ecclefechan, Freuchie, Achiltibuie and Gartocharn, epecially if they were girls. They knock Tracy and Amy into a cocked hat.

    Airdrie and Yoker not so much…

    Thrums, anyone?

  167. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    ‘Off-topic’ is becoming an oxbow lake. iye?

    I still have 4 of TC’s videos in tabs to continue watching.

    Just found out tonight that Sinead O’Connor sang the latest version of The Outlander song in Series 7.

    Just close any pop-up windows that appear.

  168. Tinto Chiel says:

    Oxbow lake? More like a slightly damp patch on a carpet.

    Time to roll everything up, I think.

  169. Ruby Tuesday says:

    Any views on Katherine Stock saying

    The push back is going to come from men because men are able to say ‘this is bollocks’

    Do you think she is suggesting women are not able to say ‘this is bollocks’

    Is there a different set of standards for women with regards to swearing?

    I’m posting this here as there might be a chance of someone reading it.

  170. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Ruby.

    Have you met Alison Balharry? She could be captain of the Scottish Ladies’ Swearing Team.

    I was gonna post this question:
    Does anyone know when and why a bunch of Spanish Dragoons were marching through Fyvie? Can’t be @r$€d Googling.

  171. Tinto Chiel says:

    Isn’t it Irish dragoons in the song?

  172. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Maybe you’re right. I’ll check.

  173. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Irish, right enough.

  174. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Well, I’ve listened (again) to the lyrics of

    but I’m no further forward as to when and why Irish Dragoons were marching through Fyvie-o. Surely Peggy’s infamy had not stretched as far as Ireland?

  175. Tinto Chiel says:

    I think the original song was set during the turmoil of 17th century Scotland and The War of The Three Kingdoms which the English persist in calling The English Civil War. Irish troops were sometimes used by Montrose, I think.

    I’m sure as a Dundonian you will know what that psycopath Cromwell did to the people and city of Dundee (and Drogheda).

  176. Tinto Chiel says:

    Psychopath, obvs!

  177. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I’m watching Celebrity Gogglebox at the moment.

    It got me wondering…

    What are the opposites of “full frontal nudity”?

  178. Tinto Chiel says:

    “What are the opposites of “full frontal nudity”?”

    Fully-clothed form? Just a wild guess.

  179. Tinto Chiel says:

    They don’t make ’em like this any more:

  180. Tinto Chiel says:

    Tomorrow is International Apostrophe Day, ya bass!

    That is all…..

  181. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    Just watched and enjoyed that wee fullum, while recuperating from successful tumour removal in AIR (Aberdeen), ward 216.

    I’m on the mend but it will be next week till I’m back in

    I have a pile of similar mp4s on my iMac 27″, which I used at work but haven’t fired up since I brought it home last year, after work station relocation.
    I’ll try to get them sorted out while I’m recuperating at home, in the next 2 or 3 months, then seek your interests, or provide a list. I have a Dropbox account.

    Onnyhoo, here’s a video featuring “quirky”.

  182. Tinto Chiel says:

    Sorry to hear you’ve not been well, Brian, but glad you are recovering now. Don’t know if any of our mutual friends were aware either (or is it “friends in common” 🙂 ? I know you love a bit of pedantry.

    Loved the original wee Morris van myself but the lecky one doesn’t have the same appeal. I suspect Wee Greta will approve but she seems unconcerned about the kids in The Congo mining rare metals in appalling conditions to provide the batteries.

  183. Marie Clark says:

    Sorry to hear that you have not been very well Brian, hope you get better soon. Must show this wee film to my other half he will really enjoy it.

    Hi Tinto, how are you and yours, hope everyone is well. It’s my birthday today ( aye anither yin) they seem to come around faster every year. I think that must mean I’m getting auld. Mind you some days with all this trans nonsense, I feel like I’m a hundred, it disnae half weary a buddy. The bit that annoys me is being taken for an eejit, that I’ll just accept that a man can become a woman or a woman can become a man. Whit planet dae they think we aw inhabit? Madness complete and utter madness.

    I think this is why a lot of folk don’t contribute to some of the blogs these days. Between a’ this crap from wee weirdy Patrick’s greens, to the corruption of Sturgeon and her minions you just have to switch off at times to maintain your sanity.

    Onywho guys, keep well and don’t let the buggers get too you, as someone once said.

  184. Tinto Chiel says:

    @Marie: AOK @ Tinto Towers at the moment but you may find your forties to be more challenging. A regime of Pilates, spring water and bending exercises may be the way forward 🙂

    Yes, I’m afraid most of our independista bullshit filters are pretty clogged. We all need a focus, either a specific issue or individual to get behind but almost all of the political class are self-serving barstewards with little intelligence and fewer principles.

    It’s a sair fecht, as granny used to say before dragging on her pipe and spitting into the range…..

  185. Dan says:

    Well this recent Peter Gabriel release fair shocked this monkey.
    Imagery reeks of someone munching an exotic mushroom omelette!

  186. Tinto Chiel says:

    @Dan: thanks for that brilliant vid.

    Sadly, it suggests our dystopian future once the Globalists exert complete control over us via digital banking and ID, 15-minute cities, 20-minute neighbourhoods, (U)LEZs, renewed vaccine mandates and spurious WHO Pandemic Declarations.

    And don’t think you’ll be driving very far in your battery-powered car either, peons, since there is no UK-wide infrastructure to cope with a massive transition to electric. Feudal-times ten mile travelling limit? You’re welcome!

    And that’s if we avoid Biden’s Neo-Cons causing a final nuclear holocaust.

    On the bright side, I saw kingfishers on The Clyde last week……

  187. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    That’s me back home to recuperate. Signed off work until 6th November. Was in ARI for 3 weeks, due to post-op complications. Op itself went ok but I had an air leak from my chest drain and surgical emphysema.
    Taking things easy and getting a wee bit of exercise daily.

  188. Ruby says:

    Hi Brian
    I was thinking about you earlier today and wondering how you were getting on.

    Glad to hear you are on the mend.

    ‘Taking things easy and getting a wee bit of exercise daily.’

    Sounds good! I’ll support you by doing likewise. 🙂

  189. Dorothy Devine says:

    Brian , glad your home ,there is no better place to recuperate than your own bed and home.

  190. Marie Clark says:

    Sorry to hear that you’ve had such a rotten time of things Brian. I’m glad that you’re home now, as Dorothy said there’s no better place to recuperate.

    Take care.

  191. Tinto Chiel says:

    BDTT, hope your hospital ward wasn’t like this one:

    Get perfect soon.

  192. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC et al.

    Thanks for your good wishes.

    Ward 216 at ARI was fine. 4 of us in a room around 20′ by 25′, with its own toilet and shower and nurses available by the call of a buzzer.
    Food was fine, except for the vegetarian haggis, the only thing I rejected, taste-wise. The soups were all excellent. The ice cream was from a Cheshire company and reminded me of the taste of ice cream from the 60s. Bra’ stuff!
    I would recommend a stay in ward 216 if you get the offer.

    There was a discussion on one of the main pages a few days ago about Sweet singles. I’ll repeat what I posted here.

    RE: Sweet singles.

    John Peel reckoned that this was the best rock single (track) of 1974.
    It was the B side of this, which was, unfortunately, released at the time of a BBC technicians’ strike, which meant that Top of the Pops was off-air for 6 weeks, otherwise, I’ve no doubt it would have been a #1.

  193. Chic McGregor says:

    Guid tae see ye back Brian.

    You’ll ken whit this funny wee buldin’ geid birth tae but a wunner if Stuart diz. He shid.,-2.9742897,3a,67.8y,138.98h,102.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smyQRn3cXqCD7SXfEk4OqQQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

  194. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Chic.

    Your Google link appears to show the car park of Caledonian House in Greenmarket.

    This pic has been all over Facebook over the past few days.

    Here’s a pic of the same building, showing the original “Deep Sea Restaurant” on the ground floor.

    If you go to this next link and scroll down, you will find,
    Dave had taken up the task of sorting a workspace out for the team. His father in law owned a chip shop, called the Deep Sea with an accompanying office space across the road. This quickly became the base for DMA Design which the members began the routine of commuting to on regular basis.
    There’s also another pic, adjacent to that text. This pic was taken after the Deep Sea had moved directly across the road. It is now the “Tailend” restaurant.

  195. Dan says:

    @ Tinto

    That Peter Gabriel vid has so much going on with every part of the frame constantly evolving and morphing into something else. Modern tech obviously playing a huge part in generating the content of that vid possible.

    And talking of things evolving… in case folk missed it, here is the link Mac posted earlier on the MT which got clipped off.

  196. Tinto Chiel says:

    @Brian: yes, it’s brilliantly done and as deeply disturbing as that article you linked to.

    If it’s true, combining the “Follow the Money” mantra with Occam’s razor suggests to me that it will all be used to induce people to take more jags against “new variants” and make Big Pharma even more obscene amounts of money.

    And if the WHO manages to get the power to declare a pandemic and force national governments to have lockdowns, vaccine-and-mask mandates (coming round the bend next year if they can get way with it) then Gabriel’s vision will be well on its way to taking shape.

    Lovely weather we’ve been having lately…..

  197. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    You’ve conflated Dan and me.

  198. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I see the notifications of comments and new pages have been restored in the past few days.

    I wonder how long for the text preview box?

  199. Tinto Chiel says:

    Sorry, @ Dan. How could I forget those lovable Rainbow scamps in your avatar?

    Re the vid: I did wonder if, ironically, AI might have played a part in its bewildering complexity?

  200. Chic McGregor says:


    Aye, I saw it on FB but thought I’d cut’npaste a Google street view.

    Obviously didnae work right.

    Good additional info. ta.

  201. Tinto Chiel says:

    @BDTT: yes, I think it’s because it’s usually just me and thee on here havering at the end of the internet.

  202. Tinto Chiel says:

    Ha! Ha!

    I clicked (but I did not inhale) 🙂 .

  203. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I was introduced to this single around ¡977 by a pal at the Bowlin’ Alley, who was heavily into the film “American Graffiti”, which featured the band. (Some big names involved in the direction, production and acting in that film.)

    An excellent slice of 70s rock/pop, which wasn’t a hit in the UK.

  204. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Just dropped in to say hoots BDTT, you sound in fine fettle.


  205. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Tired, mentally and physically Ian.

    But ca’in’ awa’, one day at a time.

  206. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Here’s a wee number to cheer abody up.

  207. PhilM says:

    Going to try something as a test to see how Google crawls web.
    Please ignore folks.

  208. PhilM says:

    a bit late but ‘test’ coming up after this post

  209. PhilM says:

    favourable in-month movement of £0.119m as legal fees relating to 2 cases have now been recharged to litigation provision following receipt of quarter 3 Central Legal Office report

  210. Tinto Chiel says:

    @Dan The Man: stop clanging aboot in yer wee workshop and listen tae this…..

  211. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I’ve been watching this tonight –

    Through a Scottish Prism – Year End Report

    Denise Findlay said a lot about canvassing and the like and it got me thinking.
    Back in 2014, I know RIC did a power of work in the Dundee schemes, to get people registered to vote. I guess they were just as active in Glasgow’s schemes.

    What I find strange is that Dundee and Glasgow both voted YES – but with a turnout substantially below average.

    What was going on there?

    Onnyhoo, will watch this tomorrow.

    Through a Scottish Prism – Year End Report Part 2

  212. Tinto Chiel says:

    @BDTT: voting manipulation? You may find this real expert interesting, if you can thole Gorgeous George as the host:

    I think the missing votes from Dundee and Glasgow in 2014 probably just disappeared mysteriously out the back of the vans which took them off for “central counting”.

  213. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi TC.

    The count was evacuated in Dundee when the fire alarm sounded. Anything similar at the Glasgow count?

  214. Tinto Chiel says:

    SL count was in East Kilbride. No fire alarms as far as I know (just minor pochling of sneaking a yes vote amongst nine no votes to make ten according to a friend) but moving ballots to a central counting point is potentially insecure/ open to abuse.

  215. Tinto Chiel says:

    Between Campbell-Sturgess’ contempt for voters (he hasn’t yet been selected for the seat, but any SNP candidate chosen will have the same stance or worse), the vast unpopularity of the SNP’s gender policies, the likelihood of Unionist tactical voting and other factors, it’s probable that despite their own unpopularity the Tories will take the seat for the first time since 1983, another brick in Humza Yousaf’s embarrassing “most seats” strategy will crumble to dust, and independence will disappear a little bit further over the horizon.

    Do hope this works…..

  216. Tinto Chiel says:


  217. Tinto Chiel says:

    Between Campbell-Sturgess’ contempt for voters (he hasn’t yet been selected for the seat, but any SNP candidate chosen will have the same stance or worse), the vast unpopularity of the SNP’s gender policies, the likelihood of Unionist tactical voting and other factors, it’s probable that despite their own unpopularity the Tories will take the seat for the first time since 1983, another brick in Humza Yousaf’s embarrassing “most seats” strategy will crumble to dust, and independence will disappear a little bit further over the horizon.

  218. Tinto Chiel says:

    Ya hay!

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