The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Off-topic

Posted on January 02, 1968 by

For off-topic chat. Duh.

Print Friendly

    37554 to “Off-topic”

    1. Cubby says:

      Clapper 57 I also think your comments are wasted here. They should be on MT. good stuff. You should try not to take any criticisms of your comments to heart.

      With regards to Swinson I bet many people in England probably listening her don’t even think she is Scottish.

    2. Clapper57 says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood @ 12.58pm

      Hi Ian, yes it would be nice to post on MT…but just have a look at the comment after your last comment on MT just now..( that is after your comment re Dave apologising)..why should I , or others for that matter, have to put up with that ….healthy debate..yes..abuse and accusations…nope….it sickens me and ruins what should be a lively and welcoming site for all.

      I know I am naughty for posting my comments on OT…will try and limit them…not that I think that was what you meant in your comment to me….see what I mean you get so paranoiac on here thinking people will misunderstand your comment because there is so much negativity and misrepresenting of your opinion on MT….it’s become , for some, a ‘my way or the highway’ kind of attitude…and a certain person telling you to …you know what “OFF” yesterday was shocking.

      Have a lovely day

      xxx

    3. Clapper57 says:

      @ Cubby @ 1.18pm

      Cubby, I hate all of the negativity and think, IMHO , that calling people out because they do not support the SNP is wrong.

      I am an SNP member BUT I am entitled to challenge them when I see that some of them are IMHO are being way too focused on Brexit and the UK while seemingly taking their eye of the Indy ball…I may be wrong…you and others may be right….but I will never accuse others who support Independence as being anything other than independence supporters.

      Remember we do not know each other , we do not know what kind of lives we lead outside this bubble we post on….please please be a better person, one that I am sure you are and focus on helping us to win Independence because we are all human and need to act as such….let’s not alienate people irrespective of who they vote for.

      ps. Guess you deserve to slight me for my last comment to Ian B as yes it was targeting YOUR last comment on MT….this is an never ending cycle of he said she said…let’s us break it now.

    4. Cubby says:

      Clapper 57 I’m fairly confident that my family and friends think I am a pretty decent person already but everyone can always improve. I am also pretty confident you are a decent person as well.

      I certainly do not go around accusing loads of posters as being anti independence/ phoney supporters ( something some posters for their own reasons have tried to pin on me). I may think all the anti SNP/ Sturgeon/ Scotgov comments all the time serve no useful purpose at this point in time. As I have stated many times I have no affiliation for any political party I just don’t think it serves a lot of purpose to criticise the Scotgov at this critical time. I may be proved wrong that the mandate is not used but I am willing to give the Scotgov the benefit of doubt at present. If they are not planning to do something then they are putting up a pretty good smokescreen. Apart from that why would a political party that exists for independence do nothing. Logically I am sure you will agree that I hope I am right as it will mean an opportunity to gain our independence.

      No problem with your comment about my post. That was your opinion. Similarly, I have looked at my post again and don’t see anything wrong with it.

      We should never forget that Britnats cause great damage to people in Scotland and I will never respect phoney independence supporters on Wings. I cannot help it if some people who are genuine independence supporters think I am referring to them when I say that – I’m not.

      With regards to personal abuse I try to give people the opportunity to apologise if it’s directed to me from a genuine independence supporter but if not then I’m afraid I do hold grudges. We all have our personal failings. My experience is that some posters cannot accept losing an argument or being proved wrong and resort to personal insults. I fully accept it can sound a bit like a child saying he started it. But it is what it is.

      Similarly if an independence supporter posts unacceptable comments like racism I make no apology for calling them out. They of course do not like it and resort to personal insults.

      I also think we should also just cut each other a bit of slack. Ok Peffers said F off and it was not his normal response but perhaps he is also feeling a bit bullied as well. I am sure he is a decent person as well.

      Anyway going back to my initial point your posts up thread are wasted on here – again just my opinion.

    5. Clapper57 says:

      Hi Cubby ,I typed a response to you on MT under ‘The Contaminant’ thread.

      Cheers

      xxx

    6. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      This is a post I did on my Facebook page today. It works here with a small alteration.

      “The last and biggest pro-independence march and rally of the year takes place in Edinburgh next Saturday, 5th October.

      March starts at Holyrood Park at 1pm, progresses up the Royal Mile to George IV Bridge, then down to The Meadows. I understand around 300 Yes Bikers will travel the route ahead of the pipes and drums and marchers.

      My plan was that my son and I would bus down to Edinburgh, visit a bra’ wee cafe we discovered last year for nosebags, then walk up to George IV Bridge to join the march. A pint or two after the rally then bus back to Dundee, leaving Edinburgh at 20.20, arriving back in Dundee at 21.55.

      That was the plan so I booked the bus tickets last week, only to find out, subsequently, that Chris and his Mum are leaving for a holiday in Greece on 2nd October so he won’t be here for the march/rally.

      Therefore, I have a spare return ticket, to and from Edinburgh next Saturday.

      Details:
      Leave Dundee, Seagate Bus Station at 09.20. Change at Broxden approx 09.55.
      Arrive Edinburgh Bus Station at 11.20.

      Return:
      Leave Edinburgh Bus Station at 20.20.
      Arrive Dundee, Seagate Bus Station at 21.55.

      Cost: £18 for the return ticket.

      If you want it, email me at:-

      bumfluffbrian [at] doonthetoon [dot] plus [dot] com
      (Remove bumfluff for the correct email addy.)

      First come, first serve.

    7. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      Do you happen to know where I could get details of any buses going from Glasgow?

      Sorry to be such a lazy arse but things have been a bit frantic here and I honestly didnlt realise the Edinburgh march was so close. I don;t want to drive as last time we went to the park & ride at Hermiston and it was a total fuckin nightmare getting back, there were no buses, and that was relatively early.

    8. a few examples of FoI questions around imports and exports

      EG
      Sent: 18 April 2017 20:50
      To: UKTradeinfo, Team (Customs)
      Subject: Re: Freedom of information request

      Dear N,

      I am still trying to pursue my FoI request as to how production of oil , whiskey, gas and electricity are showing in the regional export and import balances and have been trying to use the statistics base you sent me

      I am struggling to find a table with the Import Export figures for the 4 home countries in your statistics going back ten years.

      I found this one for Scotland going back to 2012 https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/RTS%20Releases/RTS_Q4_2015.xls

      While I understand that Oil exports are not credited to Scotland, there does seem to be a substantial Mineral Fuel figure amounting to more than 20% of Scotlands import figures from year to year.

      How is it possible that oil exports are NOT credited to Scotland, but Scotlands consumption of oil is counted as an import?

      Cllr Cadogan Enright

    9. UK stats office explaining why tankers of oil are not credited as exports from Scotland

      (dozens of questions – they always answer te question you did not ask – but persistence and re-phrasing gets them in the end
      Fri 21/04/2017 13:12
      UKTradeinfo, Team (Customs) uktradeinfo [at] hmrc [dot] gsi [dot] gov [dot] uk
      RE: Freedom of information request
      Cadogan Enright

      Dear Cadogan,

      The following link will take you to the starting point for building your own data table. This is where you can input your own criteria to create the equivalent dataset of the graph that you previously referred to.

      https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/BuildYourOwnTables/Pages/Table.aspx?savedview=abd926c4-4faa-4868-8e22-56abc7aceaaa

      The next link will take you to the page where the RTS archive of releases and commentaries are found. Using the drop down function will enable you to look back at the releases from 2008.

      https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/Pages/RTSArchive.aspx

      Exports of Crude oil (CN8 27090090) are made up of two aspects:
      • That exported by oil tanker is allocated to the region based on the proportion of the employees of the exporting business located within that region.
      • That exported directly from an off-shore oil rig is allocated to the region which is nearest to that rig as we receive no information on who the exporting business is.

      Import figures are not based on the location of where it is consumed but is allocated to the region based on the proportion of the employees of the importing business located within that region.

      Kind regards

    10. From: Cadogan Enright
      Sent: 27 March 2017 14:40

      To: UKTradeinfo, Team (Customs)
      Subject: Freedom of information request

      Dear N,

      I am referring to the specific data set in the link I sent you below showing the import/export balance for the 4 Nations of England, Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland. – https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/Pages/default.aspx

      For 2016, It shows Wales in balance, NI and England in deficit and Scotland in Surplus on the left hand side of this link from your website;

      It is not unreasonable of me to expect that you would be aware of which Nation’s heading would show Petroleum and Whisky exports given the small number of companies involved and that these products are overwhelmingly produced in one of the 4 Nations.

      I am trying to determine if exports as depicted in your statistics are shown by the port of export, or the home country of production.

      It goes to the heart of the veracity of your statistics.

      Given the size of Petroleum and Whiskey production in pounds sterling, the statistics for Scotland look improbably low. I have similar concerns here in Northern Ireland, but an answer on Petroleum and Whiskey would satisfy my question

      I refer you to government statistics on oil which show £19.6 billion exports of oil alone http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/oilgas .

      And value of Whiskey trade http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-38737183

      These two figures alone equal the figures shown by you of £25.5 billion for all Scotland’s exports during 2016 as shown in your figures.

      When you look at the Scottish Government’s total of international exports (excluding oil and gas) they show £28.7 billion in 2015 v’s your £25.7 Billion total for 2015

      Can you explain the difference – this is the essence of of FoI request

      Cllr Cadogan Enright
      07490462329

      ———- Forwarded message ———-
      From:
      Date: Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:38 AM
      Subject: RE: Freedom of information request
      To: cadogan enright

      Dear Cadogan,

      The Regional Trade Statistics figures are based on the location and employment of the businesses exporting and importing the goods. They are not based on the location of the manufacturer / consumer nor the location of where the goods enter or leave the UK. It cannot therefore be assumed that all Scotch Whiskey is exported from Scotland. There is some additional re-allocation of region done for Crude oil exported directly from offshore oil rigs but not that exported via tanker which is allocated by location / employment of the exporting business.

      The full methodology can be found here: https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/OverseasTradeStatistics/AboutOverseastradeStatistics/Documents/RTS_Methodology_Revision_2016.pdf

      Regards

    11. more random selections from my file

      From: Cadogan Enright
      Sent: 30 June 2017 16:14
      To: UKTradeinfo, Team (Customs)
      Subject: FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST No.2 – attention N
      Dear N

      I asked you a specific question on 18th April (see below) to which I have not received a reply.

      In our correspondence to date, we have established that Oil exports or other hydrocarbon or energy exports are not credited to Scotland in the Regional Trade Statistics.

      However in going though the database you sent me, it does appear that you allocate a substantial Mineral Fuel figure amounting to more than 20% of Scotlands import figures from year to year to Scottish imports.

      While I accept that mineral oil exports are NOT credited to Scotland, is it true that Scotland’s consumption of oil is counted as an import?

      If this is a correct understanding of the figures, why is this so?

      IE Exports not counted to Scotland’s Regional Trade Statistics, but consumption of Mineral Oils counted as an import.

      The relevant link is shown below.

      With thanks

      Cadogan Enright

    12. and it gets more and more detailed . . . .

      From: Cadogan Enright
      Sent: 03 April 2017 21:29
      To: UKTradeinfo, Team (Customs)
      Subject: 1449 Freedom of information request

      Dear N

      I have 5 follow up sets of questions labelled A, B C, D and E;

      A. Questions on section 3.9 in the document attached below;
      The section on ‘gas and electricity’ is easy to follow but, oil is VERY vague – can you clarify the brief summary in the document you sent me in section 3.9

      “Where oil is processed on rigs in the North Sea and dispatched directly to other countries, the oil does not enter the UK and therefore does not obtain any regional coding. The RTS methodology categorises this oil trade based on the location of the oil rig. This allocation also uses information from the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999. Oil imported or exported into or out of the UK via ship will be associated with a business. Trade is allocated to the region where the business is registered subject to the main allocation method outlined above.”

      1. what does this mean? “The RTS methodology categorises this oil trade based on the location of the oil rig. This allocation also uses information from the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999. Oil imported or exported into or out of the UK via ship will be associated with a business. Trade is allocated to the region where the business is registered subject to the main allocation method outlined above.” ?
      It appears to imply that either the Scottish Adjacent Water Boundaries Order OR that oil exported by ship and associated with a business will result in Oil exports not being credited to Scotland’s regional trade balance. Is this correct?

      2. Is it fair to say that businesses for this purpose are often not registered in Scotland?

      3. Are any of them registered in Scotland?

      B. Question on Section 3.10

      “Treatment of unusual trade There are a number of categories of trade that present difficulties in terms of assigning regions to the business or activities responsible for the trade flows. These are described below. These are recorded in the ‘Unallocated’ category, split ‘Unallocated – Known’ where full details are known but it is not realistic to allocate it to a region; and ‘Unallocated – Unknown’ where not enough detail is known to allocate to a region.”

      What are the main types of catagories of trade that fall into the ‘Unallocated’ Catagory. Are any of these related to Whiskey, Gas, Electricty or Oil?

      C. Questions on section 3.11
      “Overseas businesses registered in the UK There are a number of businesses who act within the UK on behalf of foreign companies overseas, operating as ‘ghost presences’. For ease of administration, the majority of these businesses are registered for VAT purposes with Customs House, Aberdeen. The RTS methodology categorises this ghost trade as ‘Unallocatedknown’, as allocating it all to Scotland would falsely inflate the Scottish share and we do not have any information to enable us to re-allocate these data to other regions.”

      This clearly indicates that this huge volume of petroleum related exports are NOT credited to Scot;and, but to the rest of the UK – am I correct?

      What are the main types of catagories of trade that fall into the ‘Unallocatedknown’ Catagory. Are any of these related to Whiskey, Gas, Electricty or Oil?

      D. Questions on Whiskey.
      Diageo is the world’s biggest whisky producer with malt distilleries open to the public at Blair Athol, Glenkinchie, Dalwhinnie, Royal Lochnagar, Cragganmore, Cardhu, Glen Ord, Clynelish, Talisker, Oban, Caol Ila and Lagavulin.

      It is registered and has it headquarters in London.

      Sections 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 seem to indicate that Whiskey production will not be allocated to Scotland’s account – but either all to the South East Region, or in proportion to Diageo’s employment around the UK, on on account of the address of its VAT registration – London.

      Can you clarify this with specific reference to Diageo as an example?

      E. Section 3.8 on Gas and Electricity.

      This section seems to be clear. The region from whence the gas or electricity flows abroad is credited with the export. Is this a correct interpretation?

      Does that mean that Scotland as a net producer of gas and electricity is not credited with the flow of these commodities that leaves its region, but this surplus is credited to other Regions as their ‘exports’?

      Thanks for your attention in this matter.

      Councillor Cadogan Enright

    13. dadsarmy says:

      @Cadogan Enright
      It beats me. I tried to check out where whisky is bottled, if there’s any statistics for that. A cask of whisky is worth so much, but the bottles from it are clearly worth more than a cask. And a lot of bottling is done outside Scotland, in England, no idea how much. So the bottles are greatly value added over the cask value. To be called Scotch it has to be matured in the cask in Scotland, but not as I understand it, bottled. Unless perhaps a single malt!

      The other thing or the same thing (both) is whisky being moved in bond, where the UK excise duty isn’t paid until it’s taken out of bond. Clearly if that duty was devolved it would be due to Scotland not England. But which country IS it attributed to?

      The SWA website wasn’t much help, what a surprise.

      I spent days but gave up in the end, life’s too short!

    14. dadsarmy says:

      Don’t rely on anything I said there being right by the way, it was a couple of years ago and a lot happened since then, plus I lost interest as I wasn’t getting anywhere.

    15. @Dadsarmy

      Whiskey mostly credited to London on account of VAT registration addresses

      not Scotland where it is produced

    16. dadsarmy says:

      @cadogan Enright
      Not according to the GERS FAQ though:

      Q: Do you use company headquarters to assign corporation tax or taxes like VAT?

      A: Corporation tax on trading profits is estimated on a company-by-company basis, depending on the economic activity each company has in Scotland, not location of company headquarters. VAT is a consumption tax, and is therefore estimated based on purchases that are made in Scotland, rather than the location of a company’s head office.

      Q: How do taxes from the whisky industry feature in the GERS estimates?

      A: Like any industry, the whisky industry’s activity in Scotland generates tax revenue through a range of sources, such as corporation tax on profits, income tax and national insurance contributions on staff earnings, and non-domestic rates payments on business premises. These are all captured in the estimates of Scottish public sector receipts reported in GERS.

      In addition, whisky consumed in the UK is subject to VAT and alcohol duty. This is assigned to Scotland on the basis of how much is consumed in Scotland. Whisky which is exported does not generate UK VAT or alcohol duty. There is no export duty in the UK.

      https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/FAQs

      Anyways, I’m not going there again, it’s a black hole!

    17. dadsarmy says:

      Sorry by the way, I suddenly realise you’re talking UKTradeinfo, I’m talking GERS 🙂

      And the ScotGov figures for trade are different from the UKTradeinfo ones if I remember rightly.

      Anyway, I’m getting an early night for a change.

    18. Dorothy Devine says:

      Cadogan Enright , you have an intrusive ‘e’ in that whisky.

      I had no idea who the eejit was who thought Edinburgh castle should be returned to ‘Britain” – I now discover he is West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine and I have great difficulty understanding how anyone could vote for a pillock so anti his country’s heritage , a cultural cretin indeed.

      I actually thought I had reached saturation level in disgust and dislike but hey ho , someone always pops up with greater idiotic disparaging comment obviously thinking to please their masters by running their own country down – and I think of very rude responses.

    19. @ Dorothy Devine – I am Irish

      but I think we can both agree that the correct original spelling was “Uisce” or Uisce beatha

    20. Dorothy Devine says:

      Happily Cadogan!

    21. dadsarmy says:

      Oh well, since the MT is OT, the OT becomes the MT!

      On 16 October, the supreme court will hold an open day to celebrate its 10th anniversary. Anyone will be able to explore the architectural splendour of its courtrooms and its colourful, swirling carpets – incorporating a Welsh leek, English rose, Scottish thistle and Northern Irish flax – designed by the artist Sir Peter Blake.” [UKSC]

      https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/sep/26/after-10-years-the-supreme-court-is-confident-in-its-role

      Look at Hale by the way, she’s definitely on loan from a Harry Potter movie, probably as head of Gryffindor or something like that.

    22. dadsarmy says:

      And a wee take on Aidan O’Neill,

      https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1174309797879042048

      He’s due tomorrow to as the CoS case is about: “A judge has fixed a date for proceedings in which Scotland’s highest civil court will consider whether it can imprison the Prime Minister if he pursues a ‘no-deal’ Brexit.

      Lord Pentland arranged a hearing to take place this Friday at the Court of Session for a legal action brought by SNP MP Joanna Cherry, English lawyer Jo Maugham QC and businessman Dale Vince.

      imprison the Prime Minister

      This case is alongside the nobile officium which is next week. So basically BoJo could be jailed, plus the clerk of court in the CoS sign the request for an extension for him. Presumably Police Scotland would send a squad down to Downing Street to arrest him.

      Wonder what the EU would make of the UK’s PM being in the Bar’L.

      Better than any joke 🙂

    23. dadsarmy says:

      I think by the way that the English courts also have the power to imprison BoJo if he refuses, as that would be contemept of court if the court had ruled he must write the letter according to the “surrender act”. But it#s only the CoS has the nobile officium, or “Nob Off” power as it’s being called 🙂

      #NobOff

    24. dadsarmy says:

      Sorry, the quote from the “imprison” post is from the Scotsmand, not Adam Wagner whose comments are interesting, if perhaps a little insitutionally ignorant of Scotland. As in this tweet: “Also, Pannick has done the heavy lifting already so he can go a bit off grid” which was both true AND untrue; different angles.

      Ha, geddit? “Angles” 🙂

      I slay myself.

    25. Dan says:

      A younger and fresh couponed John Lydon with PIL – Rise

      Although slightly different wording in the song “May the road rise up to meet you” seems appropriate for all the AUOB marchers this weekend.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7JSic1DtM

      Peter Gabriel – Games Without Frontiers.

      Lyrics now seem to fairly accurately describe numerous ongoing political antics within UK.
      Someone really needs to produce the meme “If Carlsberg did political shitfests…”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZmlUV8muY

    26. Clapper57 says:

      Can some kind soul put a link for Gong’s “Magdalene”…please.

      Thanks in anticipation…tonight or any night after.

      xxxx

    27. Shinty says:

      Trying to find out about the indy march tomorrow in Glasgow?
      Anyone direct me to detail – google has nothing but past marches – cheers.

    28. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      Apologies – I missed your comment about buses until a minute ago.
      BTW: Another member of Dundee’s Team Yes Bus has claimed my spare ticket.

      The three sites I refer to are:-

      https://www.travelinescotland.com/

      https://www.citylink.co.uk/

      https://uk.megabus.com/

      I did a check on Citylink’s site (Citylink and Megabus are intertwined) at the back of lunchtime, re buses from Dundee tomorrow for another Dundonian. Here’s what I found…

      “The 9.20, 10.05, 10.15 and 11.15 Citylink/Megabus buses are full. Another Citylink at 11.15 still has seats but doesn’t get into Edinburgh until 13.10. (change at Broxden.) If you’ve not already booked, you’ll have to look at the 3 buses at 8.45 or the 7.55.”

      Hope this helps…

      Citylink fares stay the same; the nearer you get to journey date, Megabus fares rise.

      Here are some examples from Citylink, Glasgow to Edinburgh, tomorrow morning.

      https://sales.citylink.co.uk/Action/ViewJourneyPlannerResults?outStartIndex=23&rtnStartIndex=0

      You can click on the left arrows at top right for earlier journeys.

    29. Ghillie says:

      Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow 🙂

      Safe journeys x

    30. Ghillie says:

      Hey there Thepnr and Mrs Thepnr, Cactus, Cameron B and all old friends and new 🙂

      I’ll be looking out for you 🙂

    31. Dan says:

      My sister sent me a pic of a tray of lovely looking Saltire cakes she’s made for the morra.
      Had to check she hadn’t coloured the icing blue by grinding up a load of viagra tablets!
      Admittedly that might help keep folk’s flagpoles erect, but
      I reminded her it’s not an All Under One Boner event…

    32. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Where’s Cactus gone?

      FFS man, come back eh?

      😉

      Good luck to all heading for the march. I can’t make it. Totally gutted.

      Can’t complain though. Have been to most of the bigger marches and rallies in recent years and enjoyed them all thoroughly, even the ones that weren’t so well attended. Feels like tomorrow could be a landmark although, like others, I’m a bit wary of the numbers being bandied about.

      Here’s hoping the weather stays fair. Looking forward to getting first-hand accounts from some of you at Dows on the 25th.

      🙂 🙂 🙂

    33. dadsarmy says:

      @Shinty
      https://www.thenational.scot/news/17948563.everything-need-know-auobs-edinburgh-march/

      Won’t be there myself in body, left it too late to book buses as I couldn’t guarantee being free, but will be there in spirit. Anyways, I did last year and Glasgow this year.

    34. Clapper57 says:

      @ David @ 2.19am

      Thank you David….

    35. Shinty says:

      @ dadsarmy – thanks for that – sorry but stopped buying the national a year ago – also thought the march was Glasgow. No I won’t be going to Auld Reekie. I’m off to S.A. shortly and thought it would be good to attend at least one march before I left.
      Don’t worry if there is a vote – I’ll be back in a heartbeat!

    36. Macart says:

      Wishing all the best for folks going to Embra today.

      Have a great time folks. 🙂

    37. Ghillie says:

      Thanks Macart 🙂

      This is feeling like a practice for the biggest celebration Scotland has ever seen 🙂 🙂 🙂

      Clapper57, hope we might meet!

      I expect alot of folk will gather in the Meadows that didn’t manage to join in the march.

      So where ever you are, join us there 🙂

      Oor Nicola says ‘Have a great day!’

      ‘And be in no doubt – Independence is coming’ 🙂 🙂 🙂

    38. Dan says:

      Garbage – Only Happy When It Rains (Unionist Tears)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpBFOJ3R0M4

    39. hackalumpoff says:

      Driving home today from the march. I heard these two great “protest songs” on the Radio.

      1-Martyn Joseph – Nye : A Song for the NHS
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IBmmXn1QwM

      2-Martyn Joseph – Here Come The Young
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRS3vSxkpGw

      @Welsh Sion – you kept this guy to yourselves !!

    40. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi peeps.

      One of my highlights of the day was after we had disposed of the WOS stall, I wandered towards the stage and they were just winding up so I headed towards George IV Bridge to go back up to the Royal Mile for a pint.
      As I left the Meadows, just before the George IV Bridge, something caught my peripheral vision, on the left. I looked round and saw a squirrel (a grey, unfortunately) foraging in the fallen leaves. I stopped and watched it, whilst trying to pull my phone out of my pocket to video it. I didn’t quite manage.
      This squirrel was gallus. It wandered about “patting” the leaves until it eventually climbed the log (see the link) and looked straight at me, as if it was daring me to move.
      After a few seconds, it went back to patting the leaves in front of the log, before disappearing into the undergrowth.
      The log it clambered up is the one you can see at this link, leaning up towards the viewpoint.
      https://goo.gl/maps/w5ipXwd5nF5qwqG99
      The one with the hole in the end. It just sat there, looking at me, like it was daring me to do something. At one with nature…

    41. dadsarmy says:

      Sussing you out BDTT to see if you were a threat, and after its nuts. If Wings had a few more squirrels there’d be less ferrets 🙂

    42. Dan says:

      Should have nabbed it for the pot Brian.
      Those pesky invaders may look cute but they ain’t no friend to oor red uns.
      I can personally vouch that one grey squirrel easily provides enough meat for a tasty stirfry. It tastes like a chicken / pork combination.
      Come “Brexit” foraging for decent nosh such as a grey squirrel, rather than buying shitey hormone fed beef and chicken will be all the rage.

    43. dadsarmy says:

      Haven’t played this for some time.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXW-sL5gzHQ

      YES should maybe make a banner of it to show NO voters. Or T-shirts.

    44. CameronB Brodie says:

      Right peeps, you’ve had a good long break from me. Well I’m back.

      Is Westminster still a racist patriarchy? Is the Prime Minister still acting as if the Brexit referendum was legit and Scots as having no constitutional or human rights? Is the Scottish goverment still being advised by the legal team of Doofus and Dolt, who appear determined to undermine the coherance of legal doctrin and the effectivenes of international juresprudence?

      Human rights and natural law

      “No declaration of human rights will ever be exhaustive and final. It will ever go hand-in-hand with the state of moral consciousness and civilization at a given moment in history,” says the French philosopher Jacques Maritain (1882-1973) in his text “On the Philosophy of Human Rights”, which he sent from Rome in June 1947, in response to UNESCO’s survey about the philosophical foundations of human rights. “And it is for this reason,” he adds, “that after the considerable conquest constituted at the end of the eighteenth century by the first written formulations, there is now a major interest in renewing these declarations from century to century.” – Jacques Maritain

      https://en.unesco.org/courier/2018-4/human-rights-and-natural-law

      Taking Sex Discrimination Seriously
      https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6375&context=fss_papers

      Gender Semiotics and the 21st Century Feminist Utopia: Implications on National Security and Socio-cultural Development
      http://www.academypublication.com/issues/past/tpls/vol04/01/03.pdf

    45. Clapper57 says:

      @ CameronB Brodie

      Welcome back…..I was really worried about you….nice to see you posting again.

      Have a lovely evening

    46. Clapper57 says:

      @ Brian Doonthetoon on 7 Oct @ 11.56pm

      Hi Brian, after reading your squirrel story it reminded me of mine.

      I used to love squirrels and my hubby and I would feed them in Princes st gardens as thought they were so cute….and then….

      One morning a long long time ago…before I took early retirement ….I parked my car , as per usual, in Castle street carpark to go to work….this car park is next to one of the side entrances to princes street gardens…and as I was walking from car park to get to work in Lothian Road….an incident occurred…involving a ……squirrel !

      As I was walking all of a sudden a squirrel jumps out, from the gardens, and stops dead a few yards in front of me and stared at me…as I tentatively moved it moved too… like a Ninja and it mirrored my movements….for some reason ( i.e. Fear) I was a bit freaked out and it was….. honest to God………… blocking my path….

      Fortunately for me another girl came up behind me and she too was a tad apprehensive about said squirrel…it just seemed so CALCULATED….like it was ready to pounce…it was quite funny really because the both of us were too scared to move…and when we did …then it moved too…very ninja like and menacing….as if to say “Where the hell do you think you two are going”

      I love animals but this Ninja squirrel has totally destroyed any affection I have for squirrels ….this was the devil’s squirrel for sure….

      Eventually we both made a run for it and the wee swine chased us…which prompted us both to scream ….to any passer by who did not notice the squirrel they must have wondered what the hell was going on….and who the Hell we were trying to get away from…don’t know about her but if anybody had asked me I would have been way to embarrassed to have admitted that our behaviour was due to a ……………..squirrel…..but is was a Ninja one…so hey….justified panic obvs.

      Beware Ninja Squirrels……

    47. CameronB Brodie says:

      Clapper57
      Thanks for your thoughts and kind words.

      =====

      I’m not really back, just pulling folks legs. For shits and giggles. I’ll probably not post again for a while. Saying that, I hope I’ve managed to draw folks attention to the spamheededness of believing that it is possible to self-ditermine one’s sex. As it doesn’t take a lot of philisophy to link gender and nationality, gender politics are an ideal gateway to understanding Scotlland’s predicament. The full-English Brexit treats Scotland in the same way the woke-wing of the SNP want to treat women. The First Minister might appreciate this, if she was open to a gender-critical view that is grounded in liberal, practicle, science. Not radical philosophy and ideological idealism.

      The SNP needs to divorce itself from woke radicalism and support for self-ID of sex, if it hopes to deliver self-government for Scotland.

      Hegel, Human Rights, and Political Membership

      Abstract

      This paper examines Hegel’s view of the relationship of human rights and political membership. Attention is accorded the concept of a right to have rights, one famously thematized by Hannah Arendt but articulated already earlier by Hegel. The discussion has five parts. Part One considers how for Hegel a notion of political membership is entailed by the concept of right itself. Part Two examines the place occupied by modern civil society in a realised account of human rights. Part Three considers the challenges posed to realised right by the phenomenon of modern poverty and the experience of ‘rightlessness’ it occasions. Part Four details how Hegel’s conception of the corporation addresses the phenomenon of rightlessness, taking into account his uniquely reflexive understanding of a right to have rights and its contribution to the project of the Philosophy of Right. The concluding section briefly compares Hegel’s conception of membership rights to Arendt’s.

      https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hegel-bulletin/article/hegel-human-rights-and-political-membership1/6ED29436EACF9259E8B500E118E8DD88/core-reader

      Shawn Lee’s Ping Pong Orchestra – Mood Bender
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q42Y26d5tzg

    48. Dan says:

      Hi Cameron. Hope all is well with you.
      Did you make it to any of the recent marches?

      You’ve arrived back just as the “old” Self ID shiz rears its head again.
      We were there man, in the One Week in the War on Women thread a while back as two blokes voicing our concerns over the matter.
      I’ve been busy this week with physical work restroring cars and today pouring concrete, so pretty tired and cannae really be arsed going over it all again as I’m somewhat jaded at seeing that bunch of fannies still pushing this bollox.

      Tears for Fears – Mad World
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ZvPSpLxCg

    49. dadsarmy says:

      @BDTT
      Does this remind you of anything?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak40fT6L_Ks

      I used to play it on piano, adding wrinkles, just for the fun of it.

      Couldn’t make it to Edinburgh, anyway it was muddy.

    50. Clapper57 says:

      @ CameronB Brodie

      Your welcome.

      I do read your stuff….but unfortunately in my family my brother got the brains and I got the brawn…so sometimes it takes a few readings to understand …some of it…I don’t know about Shawn Lee’s ‘Mood Bender’ but there is certainly a lot of changing moods going on a bender with all of this brexshit shenanigans and when’s Indy 2 going to happen…..is there not !!!….Lol

    51. Liz g says:

      Oh Smallaxe…. While I think of you and Mrs Smallaxe often..
      So missing yer Wisdom tonight xxx

    52. Clapper57 says:

      @ Liz G

      Hi Liz G, how you doin ?

      I am back on MT…you probably noticed…I just thought what the Hell…caution to the wind…

      You are certainly presenting a good argument on MT…gaun yirsel lassie…like another poster said..wish there was a ‘like’ option …..I would add it onto your comments fir sure…

      Have a good evening

    53. Liz g says:

      Clapper 57 @ 6.43
      Thanks for sayin Flapper xx
      And I’m glad you took the plunge back on to the main thread you’ve a thing or two to be sayin yerself my friend 🙂

    54. Dan says:

      In oot, in oot, shake it all aboot.
      Let’s do the EU hokey cokey.

      Please jive carefully…

      JXL & Elvis – A Little Less Conversation
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx1_6F-nCaw

      Stakka Bo – Down The Drain
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g8dWcI8B6A

    55. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I don’t think I’ve linked to this track before in ‘off-topic’.

      The background… Back in the early 70s, Barclay James Harvest were regarded by the music press pundits as the “poor man’s Moody Blues”. They eventually took control of that sobriquet and composed this tune, as a tribute/homage/two fingers.

      It stands up on its own as a rather good track. I like it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ0zCnSEz_A



    Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.




    ↑ Top