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    1. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Tinto Chiel at 6.58

      Tend to be with you on that. We should pay little attention as it has nothing to do with the case for independence.

      Huge respect for Nicola’s wisdom and strength here. She has acted in such a way that it is impossible for the media to attack the SNP.

    2. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Interesting to watch the snippets of interviews with AS today, but with the sound muted.

    3. Thepnr says:



      Permanent European Union Citizenship

      Just added my name to that list, noted that 68% of those that have signed are from the UK. No surprise there then.

    4. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Ian Brotherhood: I’m down at my daughter’s at the mo and have just seen footage of Monica Lennon commenting on the AS situation. I had a weird deja vu experience which reminded me of Malcolm Malcolm at the Politics Bar, which I know is one of your faves, full of strange barings of teeth and frankly weird head position.

      In fact, something like this:

      I’m still waiting for she and Rhoda Grant to get their story straight regarding the serious sexual harassment Monica complained of some time ago but which now seems to have disappeared up the collective BLiS______d lum. Oh, for an interview with her on that instead of her grinning grandstanding.

      I’ve been expecting a big move against AS or NS for a while. I presume its appearance just now indicates Establishment explosive diarrhoea following some disappointing polling results.

      All diversion from October, of course.

    5. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      It’s a big move against AS right enough and the civil servant at the centre of it all, Leslie Evans turns 60 in December after working her entire adult life in government.

      Just saying.

    6. Ruglonian says:

      Hi guys and gals, hope everyone’s well!

      Since I haven’t been in for a while I thought I’d better not show up at the door empty-handed 🙂

      and if I need to explain one more time that Leonard is not depressing he’s just being honest…

    7. Tinto Chiel says:

      Och, Alex, I think I’m just going to avoid any further comment on this situation, and try to take WGD’s advice to rise above it all. I’m feeling pretty sick at the enormous Yoon hypocrisy/gloating over this but we knew it was coming for someone in the SG some time soon and perhaps it will have unexpected and beneficial consequences for Yes.

      As DMH said, you have to admire the FM for gritting her teeth and doing the right thing in the midst of the meeja storm.

      My hope is we are very close to endgame now.

    8. Macart says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      Well said and it is the most reasonable approach to take. Paul’s two posts of the past 48hrs are bang on the nail IMV. Scotland’s electorate cannot afford to allow the media to dictate their attention or drive the agenda.

      Brexit is falling apart in the most ungodly mess. Raab’s statement next to Barnier was merely a glimpse. It was the picture of a man who has seen his world view and his confidence shaken to its core. Hammond’s release of the impending costs and the on again off again release of the contingency papers, should be a heads up as to the political and social catastrophe headed our way.

      A wave of austerity that will make the past ten years look like days of plenty. We allow the meeja and their chain tuggers to take our eyes off that at our peril.

    9. Chick McGregor says:

      Follow up on the complimentary National exercise.

      Now finished and the National reports an increase in circulation for the area in a piece today.

    10. Tinto Chiel says:

      I’ve never been accused of being reasonable before, Sam 😛 ‘cos usually my red mist descends at some bit of Britnat skulduggery or hypocrisy and I say things I sometimes regret later. I admire your ability to not get dragged into the squabbles on the M/T and stay focused on what really matters.

      My handler and I attended all but one of the summer marches so far and it’s no surprise The Watchers are getting worried. They were all happy, well-attended affairs which were really morale boosting (for the shy Yessers/undecideds on the pavements too, I’m sure).

      Hoping for a Mega Embra March to finish off in style and have the fruit loops frothing.

      Bonus track: I have managed to obtain for the soffisticates on here a bootleg copy of Donald Trump secretly recording the new post-Brexit UK national anthem for Jacob Rees-Mogg, whom you can just make out on the paper and comb if you listen hard:

    11. Michael McCabe says:

      HI Folks looking forward to catching up with you all on the Streets of Edinburgh on October the 6th.

    12. Macart says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      Dae ma bestest tae get tae Embra in October. 🙂

      As for staying focused? S’easy. I stick to readin’ the folks I know have something informative to say or contribute and sayin’ hi tae ma chums.

      Folk aren’t daft. They can spot the trouble makers and contrarians a mile off. I’m guessing they do the same as me. One sight of a name and you walk on by without even reading their guff. Stick to the folk you like and the reading experience improves in leaps and bounds.

      Also? The stress levels drop and your hair grows back. In my case… on my back. Oot ma ears and the palms of my hands.

      You’ve seen my avatar? That. 😀

    13. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Macart: hee hee hee. Have you tried a wet shave? I use Nivea Sensitive Gel.

      I shall try to follow your Dionne Warwick Strategy to maintain my mental equilibrium on line.

      Hi, Michael. Would have liked to have talked longer with you @Stirling but, as I recall, That There Thepnr took you to a pub for a cultural phenomenon or two.

      6/10/18: the Far East is the place to be for a Darkest Lanarkshire chiel.

    14. Thepnr says:

      @Chick McGregor

      Well done Chic as it looks like your distributing of the National in your area might have paid off. It was a great initiative and you deserve some plaudits for the efforts.

      Cheers from me.

      If you all feel like me right now then I know exactly how your feeling. Thing is though I also know I will put it behind me shortly and get on with the job in hand and that is winning our Independence.

      We’ll all be back doing our bit soon, something to look forward too is Edinburgh, this has the potential to stun all the No voters and I have a feeling that the carry on over the last two days will boost support for that.

      One thing is certain and that is Yes supporters won’t lie down so we’ll be back alright.

    15. Chick McGregor says:

      Thanks Alex
      Yep, a bit gutted and angered at the moment, more the latter I think.

    16. Welsh Sion says:

      I know this isn’t really off topic – but am placing it here so it doesn’t cut across the main thread on Effie Dean. If anyone wants to re-post it elsewhere, I leave that to them and Stu.

      Interesting reading, anyway.

    17. vlad (not that one) says:

      Is there any way to prevent half-written comments suddenly posting themselves for no apparent reason??
      Happened to me twice today.
      I do not think I ever got near the “submit” button.
      This sort of thing can put you off commenting.

    18. Cactus says:

      Evenin’ vlad, what kind of device are ye using to post.. desktop computer, iPad, mobile phone?

      Sometimes it’s good to draft a post and copy it all across from your notepad software (if ur on a desktop,) then post.

      Peek-a-boo Smallaxe on the MT 🙂

      Mini-burp at 9.

    19. Smallaxe says:

      Hi Cactus,

      A word from our sponsors;
      Honey Cone:”Innocent Til’ Proven Guilty”

    20. Liz g says:

      Welcome back Smallaxe… was beginning to worry about you..
      Hope you are keeping well
      Tell Mrs Smallaxe I’m asking for her XX

    21. Cactus says:

      Excellent Smallaxe, you got the groovy, Wings Over WOW, that is such an uplifting song!!

      Nice backing vocals 🙂

      A big dedication to ye all.

      Let us do it again:

      Ah just had tae:

      You understand, “cause aye do it too.”

      Put your hands on your face.

      Go crazy like!

    22. Thepnr says:


      Like Cactus, if I’m going to post a longish one I usually just type it in Notepad first then cut and paste. No spell checker in Notepad so mind check before you hit the submit button.

      Sometimes I forget LOL.

    23. Smallaxe says:

      Hi Liz,

      I’m convalescing for a while but I’ll pop in now and again. Mrs S. sends her love and regards, as do I.
      Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes:”Wake Up Everybody”

    24. Thepnr says:


      Great to have you back on Off Topic. Saved this for you 🙂

    25. Thepnr says:


      Peek-A-Boo Tremendous 🙂 🙂

    26. Smallaxe says:

      Thepnr, Good work on the M/T, I’ve been watching.

      “So Good To Be Back Home Again”

    27. Thepnr says:


      Great choice 🙂

    28. Thepnr says:


      You’re a rascal, nearly had me greeting LOL

      Aye, chin up always and never be divided 🙂

    29. Smallaxe says:

      Nearly greeting, pnr? That’s because you have one of these that I’ve been searching for;

    30. Thepnr says:


      I don;t know if you know this but I’m pretty sure I the first person to play that here on O/T. Played it at least 3 times, a favourite of my brothers.

      I’ve told this story before on Wings but I’ll tell again in case you missed it first time.

      So I’m sitting in a disco with the brother in the early 80’s there’s a “late to the party” punk rocker with a mini kilt over his jeans, the usual pins and a huge blonde mohican sticky up spikey hair.

      So the punk has the girls, lots of them and the brother steps in and asks for a dance with one. Goes great and then he has them lapping up his patter with the poor mohican being ignored.

      Of course he doesn’t take kindly to this and turns on my brother saying “Do ye know you look like Fergal Sharkey”.

      John straight off says “and you look like Orville the Duck”
      the lassies nearly peed themselves laughing at Orville and he then looked like the not so Mr Cool.

      OK it was a long time ago but so funny then I can’t forget it now. That song always brings back those old memories but without memories such as those there wouldn’t be much point.

      And no. I’m not greeting I’m smiling 🙂

    31. Smallaxe says:

      I’n’I Mi sey goodnight now gud people Sleep well mi brothas an sistas.

      “Turn Your Lights Down Low”

    32. Smallaxe says:


      Please, accept my apologies for signing off last night without refreshing the page and in doing so, missed the amusing story that you had posted. Here’s a wee song from Bob to start the morning;

      Bob Marley:”Duppy Conqueror”

      Duppy = Ghost

    33. William Wallace says:

      Good to see you cuttin aboot Sma. 🙂

      Cha’n eil fealladh ann cho mòr ris an gealladh gun choimhlionadh!

      Meh tap fehve 😉

      The Gael

      The Uprising


      Hope over Fear

      Loch Lomond ( The Flamingo email saga 😉 )

      Peace and Love Brithers an Sisters 🙂

      Pished again! 😉

    34. Chick McGregor says:

      Complimentary National update.

      The circulation increase in the area covered by my little punt has exceeded expectations.

      If extrapolated nation wide The National’s circulation would rise to similar levels of that of the Sun and Record.

      Staff at The National are very excited by it and have been holding meetings to discuss what to do about it.

    35. Fred says:

      @ William Wallace…..YES!

    36. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      A classic line at the end of the eleventh paragraph in Michael Fry’s piece in today’s National

    37. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Dashed off a wee poem

      A weel kent guy has touched a tit
      Who ever wid have believed it?
      And bum as weel, or so we’re telt
      (Hoo mony extra Records selt?)
      Witnesses ? Nane to be foond
      Buy what a story going roond
      She made her way upstairs tae the bed
      (Nae proof o’ that it must be said)
      But if she did why did she risk it
      She thought she’d get a Penguin biscuit?
      Aye, right.

    38. Smallaxe says:

      Chick McGregor,

      Great work, Chick. Well done, sir, for turning people on to the National!
      “Produce your own dream. If you want to save Peru, go save Peru. It’s quite possible to do anything, but not if you put it on the leaders and the parking meters. Don’t expect Carter or Reagan or John Lennon or Yoko Ono or Bob Dylan or Jesus Christ to come and do it for you. You have to do it yourself.”
      [John Lennon]
      🙂 🙂

      Sober up!

    39. Tinto Chiel says:

      Well done, Chick.

      Those who derive amusement from the farce that is the Skripal Affair may enjoy this:

      Seems many of the BBC’s reporters are “spooky”, if you get my drift.

    40. cearc says:


      I am so pleased that it went so well. I did think it seemed a really good idea at the time for people to actually have a copy.

      Most people, even if they know it exists won’t have tried a copy for lots of reasons. The lack of visibility in the shops that sell it being the main one and habit, which is possibly one of the biggest drivers of newspaper sales.

    41. Sarah says:

      I’m thrilled at your success – I thought it was a good idea and hoped urban-area Yessers would follow your example. [ I’d like to do it too but a rural i.e. 10 miles from the nearest shop, and only rare forays to it, adds some extra difficulties. I’ve not been in to collect our own Nationals yet so haven’t even seen the report of your success in print!]

      If the National’s readership rises, so do our chances of success at the next referendum.

    42. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thought you historical vile seps might like this trailer of a trailer:

      I’m just waiting for the Britnat wailing and gnashing of teeth when it comes out.

      Can’t wait for Grouse Beater’s film review either.

    43. Smallaxe says:


      Here are some weans to show you how it’s done.

      Did ye clock their Armani outfits, ya fuckin dancer!

    44. Thepnr says:


      Great news, glad to hear too that it has raised the interest of the staff at the National. Put that one down as a result! 🙂

    45. Smallaxe says:

      Buffy Sainte-Marie & Tanya Tagaq:”You Got To Run (Spirit Of The Wind)”

    46. Smallaxe says:

      Ry Cooder:”How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times And Live”

    47. Chick McGregor says:

      Sarah et al, thanks and Sarah, here is a link to The National article.

      Circulation change figures I have been given by The National are, well, mind blowing if extrapolated nationally.

      Cautionary note is, as always, the small sample size my effort represents but certainly more than enough to justify further similar testing.

    48. Fred says:

      Jeezo Smallaxe ye were hot last night kid!

    49. Tinto Chiel says:

      Yeah, some great tracks Smallaxe but I prefer my music to be a bit harder edged:

    50. Rev, I think you should think about doing a piece on the Cairnross Review? We only have only until 14 Sept to stop this.

    51. Chick McGregor says:

      The National are going to deliver free bulk newspapers to people and groups who can deliver to potential readers in their area on Saturday 8th Sep.

      Great, but not exactly how I would have gone about it.

      Will need to email them.

    52. Sarah says:

      I was about to email my Yes group to suggest we follow your example i.e. order some extra copies over a period for delivery – not to everyone at once but spread out.

      But the National are doing it all on one day. This requires us to be available to do the work on that particular day i.e. is less flexible. On the other hand the copies are free!

      What will your suggestion be to The National? I will hold back from contacting my group until I hear your thoughts.

    53. Chick McGregor says:

      There is an official email from the National now doing the rounds and the scale is not as I first feared when I saw a preliminary text.

      I did in fact email them before I saw the official email, my main concern being the problem of ensuring sufficient newsagent stock increase provision to service the new demand. If someone decides to buy a National the next day but the local shop is sold out, in all likelihood they may never bother again.

      The way I did it, 10 per day for a month, meant that normal stock control mechanisms had time to cope with it.

      10,000 newspapers is the target bulk free distribution, that sounds a lot, but provided the Yes groups intimate to the National which areas they plan to cover, it is a manageable figure for stock targeting.

      A similar exercise could be repeated, preferably for areas not previously covered (which requires someone keeping a note of postcode areas already done, ideally a completion list/map would be available for perusal)

      So when the official email hit my mailbox I had to email them again with an apology. Hee haw!

    54. cearc says:

      Great playlist last night, Smallaxe. Glad to see you back.

    55. Sarah says:

      Thanks for the detail. Now I can ask my group if they’d like to take some. I’m quite excited at the prospect of increasing The National’s circulation to significant levels!

    56. Chick McGregor says:

      It’s still pretty much a trial effort and will not increase the nationwide figure dramatically but it should for those local areas participating and if it does would give the green light for more a much larger effort.

    57. Sarah says:

      You are due a medal! One day….

    58. Thepnr says:

      @Chick McGregor

      I got an email today from a social network platform with the same name as your good self. I haven’t responded as it could have been from anyone. Was it you?

    59. Chick McGregor says:


      Yep Alex, I followed Gordon Ross’s recommend over to WEME.

      Looks a bit like FB but without the ads and much better photo and video res.

      Still trying to figure it all out.

      Shucks! Just a foot soldier who got lucky with an idea.

    60. Thepnr says:

      @Chick McGregor

      OK I’ve signed up and have left you a message 🙂

    61. Chick McGregor says:

      OK Alex, answered.

      You should check out the quality of Gordon’s video today (after he figured out how to enable the HD).

    62. Sarah says:

      Too modest!

      WeMe sounds great – no adverts targeted at one because they have analysed ones activity. I always thought that was sinister.

    63. Smallaxe says:

      “Life is one big road with lots of signs, yes!
      So when you riding through the ruts
      Don’t you complicate your mind
      Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy!
      Don’t bury your thoughts
      Put your dream to reality, yeah!”

      Soon come. Seen?

    64. fionan says:

      Cearc, are there still housing association houses free around your part? Can you email me please if so?
      Does anyone else know of any small cottages for reasonable rent, with garden, where dogs allowed? Or land for caravan + garden area? Please email me if you know.

    65. Tinto Chiel says:

      These hep cats can really swing.

      The sham-gabbit drummer’s a drole fellow, too.

      Arrividerci, Erchies.

    66. Tinto Chiel says:

      A sad, non-football related story about Govan. I can’t believe so many of these stones were destroyed as recently as 1988. Does anyone on here know anything about this?

      In Welsh, Govan means “little hill” and may refer to the old mound near the church. Govanhill, further east, used to be known as Little Govan.

    67. Fred says:

      Sham-gabbit ah huvnae heard since Jimmy Hill, Tinto.

    68. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      A catchy number! You must have saw this one “The Brexit Shuffle”

    69. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thepnr: I have sent your clip to David Icke as incontrovertible proof that Treeza is one of the Lizard People who control the Illuminati and seek to reclaim the Earth. I presume her Arthur Askey on stilts hubby stayed at home to avoid embarrassment or work on his hedge fund.

      “Sham-gabbit” is a favourite of my handler, Fred, along with “Shift it, Poindexter!” and “Ya thowless gomeril.”

      Ah, The Laydees, eh?

      Forgot to warn you re American pronunciation in the Govan video.

      An abomination, soanitis!

    70. Thepnr says:


      Looks like you nailed the cottage in that “cartoon” from today’s times. Ian Brotherhood has linked to a picture over on the MT. same place for sure.

    71. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Awright abody?

      Hope all well there.

      Long time since I posted some James Brown, but this one’s a wee bit different…

      It’s JB and Bobby Byrd doing Sex Machine in Italy in ’71.

      Question – are they lip-synching?

      I’m as sure as I can be that they are, but it’s affy hard tae tell, eh?

      Hoots all!

      🙂 🙂 🙂

    72. Chick McGregor says:

      ” Arthur Askey on stilts ” LOL

    73. Tinto Chiel says:

      Chick, for your delectation:

      Ian B: are you aware of Stuart Cosgrove’s withering critique of James Brown as a person? They shared a taxi, I think, and proved the maxim, “Never meet your hero.”

      I must demur: I met Willie (Billy in Embra) Hunter of Motherwell FC and Scotland and he was a proper gent. Still writes poetry for charity and works with footballers stricken with forms of dementia.

      The Motherwell Nijinsky, imo.

    74. Chick McGregor says:

      Hello playmates.

      Just a quick word to say, if any of you are planning to participate in the promo for The National on 8th Sep in your area, I strongly recommend putting them through letter boxes rather than handing out in the street or at stalls.

      I just have a gut feeling that street and stall hand outs will not produce the same result. After all, other nespapers have done similar in the past to no noticeable effect.

      A friend who helped deliver some also feels that the surrounding ribbon might be a factor. The breaking of it triggering a kind of psychological buy in so they are more inclined to read than bin.

    75. Sarah says:

      I’ll pass the guidance on – I feel both points are right. Picking something off your own mat, in your own space, is more personal than from a stall, and then the choosing to open the ribbon means the reader is taking control. [Not that I’m an expert!]

    76. cearc says:


      For the first time in years all the cottages in Kirk road seemed to be occupied when I was last there. So I checked on the website but nothing.

      If I hear of anything I’ll let you know. I’ll be in the village on monday so will see if there are any ads in the shop.

    77. Thepnr says:

      Everything has went all quiet again over on the MT so here’s something just a totty bitdifferent.

      Officially the greatest racehorse ever, unbeaten and here are all 14 wins. Even if you have no interest in racing you’ll recognise a superstar when you see one.

    78. Smallaxe says:

      For the ‘Civil War’

      I’m gone again. Peace to ALL!

    79. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Thepnr at 9:23 pm.

      You typed,
      “Everything has went all quiet again over on the MT so here’s something just a totty bitdifferent.

      Officially the greatest racehorse ever”

      Och, I thought you were going to link to this famous racehorse…

    80. Dek says:

      Ian McCubbin. May have something for you on subject you raised in current thread. Email me on: derekrcameron [at] btinternet [dot] com

    81. hackalumpoff says:

      OK sorry about that, this time with subtitles

    82. Shinty says:

      In need of a laugh? look no further -funniest use of googley eyes ever.

    83. Tinto Chiel says:

      Enjoyed WGD’s thoughts today on the latest poll and the thought that, despite all the MSM lies and smears, we are almost in the majority before our independence campaign has even started.

      Britnat incomprehension and panic must be rising to Corporal Jones levels but my favourite of this kind of reaction is Ceausescu having his Timosoara Moment, when he realises the whole rotten show is up and he can’t even count on his army:

    84. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      I watched that and found it fascinating, right after it finished this was the next one up which is a longer version, I’m guessing from a documentary that uses the same footage but with a good bit more explanation as to what was happening.

      Good stuff this here education you can get on Wings.

    85. Tinto Chiel says:

      Yes, Thepnr, the long version is much better. You almost feel sorry for The Great Dictator as he can’t believe his whole world is crumbling away before his eyes. Not even the state propagandist TV can help him anymore, or the folk at the front ordered to clap and hold up the banners. He even has a Burly Man a la Ruthie.

      I was at a talk given by Lesley Riddoch last night following a showing of the Phantom Power film on The Faroes and she was warning of a very bumpy and disastrous Brexit ride. WM’s time is up and we need to grab our chance for our children and grandchildren’s sake.

      An interesting footnote to the evening was when she was asked if she had offered the Phantom Power film to the BBC. She said she hadn’t even considered it, knowing, for example, that the Faroese remarks about Scotland and its potential and resources at the end of the programme would never have been broadcast.

      She had written to the head of STV about showing the film but it was politely rejected.

      For all their media power, I feel the Britnat hysteria we are seeing just now in their media shows they feel things are slipping away from them, like the old guy on the rostrum in Timisoara.

    86. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      We have Lesley Riddoch and her films on Iceland and the the Faroes at the cinema in Dunoon on Thursday evening at 7.30. All welcome

    87. Cactus says:

      Aye aye, with an excellent ladyfootball result, ah went oot an got masel a kerryootah anna put oan ah couple of lines furra later like.

      Celebrate guid times, come on. 🙂

      Empower yerselves y’all.

      Fucking Yes! 😉


    88. Smallaxe says:


      “The Power”

      Enjoy yer kerryoota.

      I’m gone again. Peace to All.

    89. Cactus says:

      Hey Smallaxe, thx, ra next autoplay video after yours was this one like:

      Peace tae ye too, gonna come doon on the choo-choo again soon tae see you-you, gimme a shout when suits yee’s dude X.

    90. Cactus says:

      Here’s the reality of the truth Wingers…

      InMyHO… girls are better dancers than boys. FACT.
      (see above)

      Fair play to the dude in the above though…

      Pullin’ some groovy shapes.

      Ladies WIN.

    91. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Smallaxe.

      It’s good to see you droppin’ into “off-topic” now and again.

      You’ve been a pal over the past year or three at the various rallies. Hope to see you at the biggest ever in the known multiverse (quoting Sheldon Cooper) in Edinburgh on 6th October.

      Don’t know if I’ve ever stuck this link in “off-topic” before but I was always impressed by this band – some great singles, This is the best (12″/album) version of the song. Listen to how the guitar theme from the intro is repeated later in the track.

    92. Smallaxe says:


      I’ll hopefully see you in Edinburgh but at the moment;

      So I have to do this for a while;
      A tune wi’ a lassie singin’;
      Stay cool Cactus. 😎

    93. Cactus says:


      Aye for Edinburgh 🙂

      Let number two take care of you x.

      Mwah to missus smallaxe xx.

      Independence imminent.

    94. cearc says:

      Cactus @ 10.06,… apart from me!

      I shall miss not being able to dance next week when –

      are playing in Lochinver.

    95. Smallaxe says:

      Hi Brian,

      Good band, I wasn’t aware of them but I’ll check out some more of their stuff.

      An oldie but IMO, the best version;

      Hoping to meet you in Edinburgh, my friend.

    96. cearc says:

      Cacts 10.06

      …apart from me!

      I shall miss not dancing when …

      play in Lochinver next week.

    97. Cactus says:

      Hey cearc, love the Wolfstone, ahm planning to drive around the circumference of Scotland and back again to Glasgow.

      Ah’ll let ye know ye when ahm heading up if yer about furra visit xx.

      To iEdinburgh soon.


    98. Shinty says:

      FAO Dave McEwan Hill

      Should cheques be made out to Forward Shop or Yes Cowal (sorry can’t find your original post) Cheers

    99. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      “Yes Cowal” Shinty. Cheers

    100. Shinty says:

      DMH -Thanks.

    101. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Smallaxe.

      That’s one of my favourite albums! I have it on vinyl and CD.

      When I was going to church hall and youth club dances in 1967/68, every band with an organist did the Vanilla Fudge version of that song. One I recall was “The Oryx”, who were from Alloa

      Here’s another couple of Motors tracks. First one was an A-side; second was a B-side.

    102. Thepnr says:

      Well done to Chic! 🙂

      This Saturday, ahead of the launch of our brand new Sunday edition, more than 50 Yes Groups up and down the country will be taking to the streets with 17,000 free copies of Saturday’s paper to distribute into the hands of potential new readers.

      We’ve always known we have the best readers in the world – from making sure The National has a prominent position in your local shop, to buying extra copies and leaving them on buses and trains so they’re read by more people, we know how much you already do for us. But we didn’t expect our latest plan to gather so much support!

      We were spurred into action by loyal reader Chic McGregor, who for the past 20 days had been buying extra copies and delivering them into the letter boxes of his neighbours.

      We took his email, and checked out the postcodes in our distribution system.

      It turns out Chic’s efforts were responsible for an increase of around 10 sales (over and above the extra ones he was buying).

      We thought: there’s something in this. What if we could replicate this in towns all across Scotland?

    103. Shinty says:

      Well done Chic indeed.
      Acorns and the mighty Oak come to mind.

    104. Thepnr says:

      Just put my last post on the MT, it should be there.

    105. Chick McGregor says:


      Thanks for that.

      But I am a wee bit worried at the gung ho response from The National.

      In an ideal world my solo effort of delivering 200 copies through letterboxes in Kirriemuir, about 10% of the households in Kirriemuir would have first been repeated on a larger scale i.e. maybe 1000 households and THEN if the same increase was seen, to roll it out in a program as fast as they could manage across the country.

      On the other hand I can well understand that time for such an initiative is not on our side and can admire their bravery.

      The figures are roughly this. In Kirrie with a population of 6,000 sales of The National, going by their current circulation, would have been something like 10 per day.

      What they found is that in the postcode areas I sent them, where on average there would have been 1 or 2 sales per day, over the exercise increased by about 10 sales per day.

      Extrapolating from 200 households to the 2 million in Scotland this would represent a circulation increase from 10,000 per day to 100,000 per day.

      However, I was delivering the copies through letterboxes and this weekend does not stipulate that.

      I am therefore worried that instead of putting in the legwork to put copies through letter boxes many groups may just hand them out in the streets or at stalls.

      I have a very strong gut feeling that handing out in the street or at stalls will not have the same effect.

      I have sent an email to the editor on this but so far no response.

    106. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      We will be putting them through the doors but we will be making sure all our members (many of whom don’t buy the National) will be getting one

    107. Chick McGregor says:

      DMH Thumbs up.

    108. Thepnr says:


      Yeah, I’m totally with you on that, the wee ribbon and the personal touch would have made a big difference. I can understand why the National can’t replicate that as it would take too many dedicated people such as yourself.

      There’s no way this initiative can have the same impact but it will still have some kind of impact if they are delivered through the doors, I do hope they have some kind of message on them though like you did.

      Anyway, you should be chuffed with that, I am and I don’t have the sore feet 🙂

    109. yesindyref2 says:

      I think it’s a great initiative from The National, it’s distributed to 50 YES groups who agreed to do so, so they’re not just being sent some copies regardless, they asked for them after being emailed. And as it says “We would send them free copies this Saturday September 8 to deliver to their area, or to give out at a stall “. Different strokes for different errr, people.

      If that’s successful I’d like to see them asking AyeMail to take some for their Indy Kits – all 200 or so of the YES groups. 50 each say, roughly 100 grams each, that adds 5Kg to the box Lindsay thinks would be about 25Kg. My courier service is £7.24 + VAT for 30Kg 24 hour, or £10.50 for highland and island 48 hour. So they’d be a bit out of date, but a special edition could take care of that.

      But I’d also like to see them doing something with the SNP and Green branches around the palce. I printed off a bundle of A5 susbscription forms when it was launched and handed in to what was then my local YES shop, and there’s a few around my area stock the National – it may have helped.

      Doesn’t cost much what, 10p a copy so £1,700 for this try out this Saturday, peanuts compared to what it could do for circulation. And circulation is also advertising revenue, you’ll know yourself, but also makes it more attractive for advertisers if it had say a circulation of 30,000. 100,000 copies extra to give away would be £10,000. Shrug.

    110. yesindyref2 says:

      Oh yeah, and it would all be your fault 🙂

      A well invested £200 if I remember rightly.

    111. Chick McGregor says:

      So my wee effort seems to have generated at a rate of about 20:1. If that were replicated throughout Scotland it would equate to about 100,000, in the same league as the Sun and Record.

      However, logistically, it is a bit of a nightmare.

      It would require more than a hundred times this Weekend’s effort.

      It would require a list of postcodes done, preferably a map available for perusal by activists.

      It would need to be done in a similar fashion, through the door, wee ribbon with zero hard sell on it. No accompanying leaflets.

      And finally there is the headache of coordinating increased delivery to stockists in areas targeted. If someone goes along to buy a National the next day but the shop is sold out they are quite likely never to bother trying again.
      And in small urban areas of large towns it is quite likely that local newsagents would not be used. A large town like Dundee would be best done in a oner, about 50,000 copies and the stock levels for the whole town anticipated.

      Even in my wee area of 200 households, I decided to do 10 per day rather than ordering 200 and doing them in a oner. It would have been easier for me to do a oner. The reason being that then any increased demand would not be met by the retailer and the effect lost. Done at 10 per day over 4 weeks it allowed time for normal stock control methods to adjust.

      I do not have an established dialogue with The National editor just a couple of emails and ones where I made some of those points have so far been unanswered, I know he is a very busy man especially at the moment so I quite understand.

      If circulation rose as hoped, increased revenue could have a snowball effect, better quality product, better advertising maybe even TV adverts.

      I hope they have given consideration to these things, they are the professionals after all, however I had a lot longer to think things through than they have.

    112. Chick McGregor says:


      Actually it was only £162. My patch only has about 250 letterboxes and some were missed out (businesses, owners in the garden). I felt it best not to engage with recipients because that could have contaminated the data. I wanted only influence via a paper through the letter box. This was always designed to be a useful, if small, sampling exercise.

      I’m a regular donor to most of the usual suspects and that amount is in line with some of of those donations. I felt it was worth a punt and one where I knew where it went and how.

      My next planned project is to promote the flag design I’m working on as I think it could be useful but will need to seek opinion on that first.

    113. Smallaxe says:

      Chick McGregor says:

      ” but will need to seek opinion on that first.”

      Superb work Chick, here’s my opinion;


    114. Smallaxe says:

      Brian Doonthetoon,

      Sorry, Brian, I’ve just noticed the other two tracks that you linked for me.

      Try these two old pals;

    115. Thepnr says:

      Burt Reynolds passed away today aged 82, reading that reminded me of a clip from a film that I played here before. I can’t really believe that this film is 46 years old now.

      It was this one:

    116. yesindyref2 says:

      It’s given them the impetus, hope they can run with it.

    117. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Had a marvelous evening with Lesley Riddoch at the Dunoon Cinema last night where we showed both her “Nation” films. So impressive on the big screen.

      Every person In Scotoand should be marched into a cinema to watch these and listen to our little neighbours puzzlement about the timid Scots.

      Good turnout and lots of folk we have never seen before. And Lesley is so impressive. She should be in our Parliament (as should be Paul Kavanagh, Carolyn Leckie, Aamer Anwar, Gordon McIntyre-Kemp and lots of others who are intensely literate and articulate with really progressive interest).

      Both films can be watched online – but are so much more impressive on the big screen

    118. cearc says:

      Hey, Cactus (from a couple of days ago),

      Your Grand Tour sounds fun, of course you can stay, I’m usually here.

    119. cearc says:

      Lochinver is THE place to be on fri. 14th. for the Wolfstone concert. Should be fun.

    120. Thepnr says:


      I sent you an email on Wed, it’s about AOUB in Edinburgh next month, you might have missed it.

    121. cearc says:


      I just replied @ 12.23.

    122. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi cearc.

      Your mention of Wolfstone caused me to go to YouTube for a listen to my favourite Wolfstone track –

      I still have that concert (Grampian TV) on VHS somewhere in my hovelhold. Interesting thing is; that song was the last of the broadcast and I’m sure the credits were rolling over the end of the song. Not on the YouTube version though. Looks like somebody had access to the original ‘pre-broadcast’ recordings.

    123. cearc says:


      I am sure that you are right about the ribbon and the effect of having to open it.

      I used to sometimes use a bookshop in the Netherlands which still wrapped the books in a brown paper parcel tied up with string and a loop to hold it. The difference in the pleasure of getting home and unwrapping the new books as against oiking them out of a paperbag was immense.

    124. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Chick –

      Ye’re a hero.

      Merr power tae ye brother.


    125. Chick McGregor says:

      Ian B

      Thanks for that Ian but you and I both know if it doesn’t produce the 500 – 800 extra sales hypothecated then by circa Tuesday I will become the proverbial zero. 🙂

    126. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Chick –

      Here’s hoping.

      And it’ll be interesting to see the figures for the Sunday National, eh?


    127. Sarah says:

      @Chick: you won’t be a zero because your efforts gained an increase of 10. That is significant in itself and I’d be thrilled if I’d achieved that.

      Today in Ullapool we had a glorious sunny day and delivered 200 Nationals [no leaflets]. We only had a sticker on them saying “complimentary copy” instead of your suggested info re on-line copies, I’m afraid [I was away whilst this arrangement was made or else I’d have made sure we followed your advice!].

      We did check our only newsagent [apart from Tesco, that is] if they were happy with this project and they were. I hope they will increase their order to allow for a surge in demand!

      Fingers crossed. And thank you again for inspiring so many people to give it a go.

    128. Chick McGregor says:


      Fingers crossed indeed. The wife and I did push some of Kirrie’s allocation through doors with ‘the ribbon’ but, like most others seemingly (looking at twitter) they were distributed in the street or from stalls.

      It may be that that is just as effective.

      Could be. Time will tell.

    129. Thepnr says:

      @Chick McGregor

      Being handed one in the street can never be as effective as having one through the door when you have to sit down and read it I would think. Especially wone with a “personal” message.

      The Scotsman has been given them away for years and that doesn’t seem to have done much for their sales.

    130. Chick McGregor says:

      ‘were largely distributed’

    131. Nana says:


      Re your MT comment at 11.50am

      Some days I feel I am wading through Brexshit treacle!

      Reading about brexiters living in a fantasy, on the road to nowhere while we sit on a bridge over troubled waters.

      Reality for brexiters

    132. Thepnr says:

      Hi Nana not the song I expected but very appropriate all the same 🙂

      Take care and keep up the good work, Scotland will appreciate it!

    133. cearc says:


      Don’t know if you spotted this on Stu’s twitter feed.

      I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The ignorance is outstanding!

    134. Chick McGregor says:

      Heh heh!

      If it quarks like a duck, it’s Boris the boson.

      I wouldn’t let him anywhere near CERN, unless he is to be used in a search for the stupidity particle.

    135. cearc says:

      He’s probably working on a trade deal right now to import a few lorry loads!

      Swiss ones, of course. We don’t want any nasty EU ones made in France!

    136. Chick McGregor says:

      Only particles which have been stopped and searched at the border of course.

    137. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I think a particle is a tad namby-pamby.

      You need to administer a full tickle to make it worthwhile.

      Eh’ll git meh coat…

    138. Tinto Chiel says:

      Apart from our own, of course.

    139. CameronB Brodie says:

      Though I’m not a gender theorist and I’m very out of practice, sex is an expression of biology, where as gender is an expression of psychology, which is formed through the interaction of the individual’s biology with the social environment.

      re. the misogyny inherent in the term “TERF”.

      The ‘Facts’ of Life?
      How the Notion of Evolved Brain Differences Between Women and Men Naturalises Biological Accounts of Sex/Gender

      Evolution, Language and the Battle of the Sexes
      A Feminist Linguist Encounters Evolutionary Psychology

      #MasculinitySoFragile: culture, structure, and networked misogyny

    140. CameronB Brodie says:

      I know I suggested keeping things simple, but some times there’s just no escaping philosophy.

      Critical Realist and Postpositivist Realist Feminisms: Towards a Feminist Dialectical Realism


      Current inquiries into the meaning of feminist concepts, such as the third world woman worker, seek to explain contemporary social relations of global capitalism within the context of the legacy of post-colonialist structures. At the same time, these very concepts draw attention to the limitations of language to adequately approximate the world as it is in order to capture some truth about its categorical entities, in particular, about the embodied experiences of the third world women worker. Through a comparative analysis of critical and postpositivist realisms that highlights feminist interventions in the context of standpoint epistemology, and the evolution in both towards dialectics, I argue that feminist dialectical realism offers an alternative to feminist poststructuralist materialisms as well as addresses limitations in prevailing standards for truth in social theory and philosophy.

      keywords: Adorno, constellationality, dialectics, postpositivist realism, dialectical realism, feminist dialectical realism, feminist standpoint epistemology

      Theorizing Agency and Domination through a Critical Realist Perspective on Gender Positionality


      Feminist theory continues to struggle with the recurrence of the twin-problem of agency and domination: how can gender be conceptualized as a structure of domination that constitutes and restricts agency, without obscuring the possibilities for change and transformation through agency? To address this problem, I draw on the concept of agency developed by Margaret Archer. By elaborating on her notion of the structural shaping of the situation and combining it with elements of Thomas Wartenberg’s work, in this article I outline a concept of domination from a broadly critical realist perspective. I thus demonstrate how gender can be understood as a social structure that is constitutive of relations of domination. This framework draws attention to the limitations of ‘undoing’ gender on an interactionist micro level as well as to the concrete possibilities for agency due to situational contradictions and emergent subjective powers.

      keywords: agency, Margaret Archer, domination, emergence, gender, social structure, Thomas Wartenberg

      The Failure of Diagnostic Psychiatry and Some Prospects of Scientific Progress Offered by Critical Realism

      A brief overview is provided of sociological and historical critiques of Western psychiatry before focusing on pre-empirical, non-empirical and empirical aspects of psychiatric diagnosis. These are then discussed by using the analytical devices of the ontic fallacy, the epistemic fallacy and generative mechanisms. It is concluded that mental disorders do not really exist but particular presenting problems of unintelligibility, interpersonal dysfunction and common human misery, in particular social contexts, recur in modern life and thus constitute real problems for those intimately implicated and for social order. These require new ways of understanding, beyond the option of deconstruction, which could displace categorical reasoning and be sensitive to causes, meanings and their situated social contexts. The paper concludes with an outline of an alternative future for research into mental health problems, which could be informed by critical realism.

      Key words: critical realism; deconstruction; epistemic fallacy; generative mechanisms; erklären; ontic fallacy; psychiatric diagnosis; verstehen

    141. CameronB Brodie says:

      I honestly didn’t see the day I would ever use this knowledge. Still haven’t used algebra though, not knowingly anyway. 🙂

      Most children and teens with gender dysphoria also have multiple other psychological issues

      New research on gender identity disorder (also known as gender dysphoria, in which a person does not identify with their biological sex) questions how best to handle the condition when it arises in children and adolescents. Should biological treatments be used as early as possible to help a young client transition, or is caution required, in case of complicating psychological issues?

      Melanie Bechard of the University of Toronto and her colleagues examined the prevalence of “psychosocial and psychological vulnerabilities” in 50 child and teen cases of gender dysphoria, and writing in a recent issue of the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, they argue their findings show that physicians should be considering these factors more seriously when deciding on a treatment plan. Salting the situation, one of the paper’s co-authors is Kenneth Zucker, an expert on gender dysphoria who was last year considered too controversial for Canadian state television.

      What Social Psychology Can Contribute to the Study of Sex, Gender, and Sexual Orientation


      The concepts of sex and gender have received increasing attention in sociology in recent years, with social psychologists providing many of the key insights. Issues of sexual orientation and sexuality have received comparably less attention, although many of the tools social psychologists use could be fruitfully applied to better understand sex, gender, sexual orientation, and the intimate connections between the three. In particular, I outline the perspectives of doing gender, stereotyping, and status and suggest possible ways to incorporate these frameworks into intersectional examinations of sex, gender, and sexual orientation. I argue that to fully understand sex, gender, or sexual orientation, researchers should consider all three and recognize the highly interconnected nature of each.

      Gender and social influence: A social psychological analysis.


      Men and women are believed to differ in how influential and easily influenced they are: Men are thought to be more influential, and women more easily influenced. In natural settings, men and women tend to differ in these ways, but these differences stem largely from formal status inequalities by which men are more likely than women to have high-status roles. Status is important because of the legitimate authority vested in high-status roles. Within appropriate limits, people of higher status are believed to have the right to make demands of those of lower status, and people of lower status are expected to comply with these demands. Yet, small, stereotypic sex differences in leadership and social influence generally have been found in laboratory experiments and other small-group settings where men and women have equal formal status. These small sex differences may occur because experience with hierarchical social structures in which men have higher status creates expectancies about male and female behavior, and these expectancies affect social interaction in ways that foster behavior that confirms the expectancies. Sex differences that occur in the laboratory as well as natural settings may stem from social structural factors—namely, from the existing distributions of women and men into social roles. (77 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

    142. Tinto Chiel says:

      Fred, I’ve been building an “easy assembly” rubber wood futon for the past gazillion hours but I finally got to read the article this afternoon. Great stuff and I noticed a good few cantonment dots in my area for further research. The Stennis web site is most interesting.

      I believe Murray Pittock is working on a book using these materials and I think it will be called “The Occupation”. That should set the cat among the pigeons.

    143. Fred says:

      Shockin stuff Tinto, Outlander isn’t the half of it!

    144. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Fred: no, it’s not but they don’t want you to know that 😛

      Looking furrit to that book appearing. Hard to believe MP was once Bojo’s debating partner at Oxbridge (forget which one).

      Hope he didn’t mention there is a place in Scotland called Bonkle or we might be getting a visit.

    145. Fred says:

      Looking forward to that book Tinto, right noo ah’m reading “Lord Lovat of the’45” by Moray McLaren. Not just the scoundrel of popular belief!

    146. Tinto Chiel says:

      An amazing man, Fred. What a film could be made of his life and very complicated times! Sadly, that is unlikely until after our independence but I think I have the physique for the role 😛

      His brave last words clearly showed where his heart was.

    147. Fred says:

      Ha ha, have you the head for it but Tinto?

    148. Tinto Chiel says:

      Ceann mor air duine glic, Fred 😛

      Meanwhile, in other news: dirty Ruskies!

      You soffisticates will instantly recognise the piano melody at 1.16.

    149. yesindyref2 says:



    150. Wullie B says:

      Aye Tinto, Fraser was some man, and one of the main movers in the kidnapping of Rachel Erskine along with Macleod of Dunvegan and the lord of the isles, quite a good story that I had heard nothing of until I started taking boat trips out to St Kilda and heard about the Lady Grange who was married to James Erskine, brother of the Earl of Mar and friend of the Fox, if you get a chance The Prisoner of St Kilda is a decent read as well of that whole escapade, Rachel Erskines father was the Chiesley that killed the Lord justice in Edinburgh

    151. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi yesindyref2.

      I’ve just submitted another (2nd) comment so this is just a test to see if my original one and second one are “lost”.

    152. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi yesindyref2.

      Yes, they are “lost”.

      If you want, email me at

      brian [at] doonthetoonbumfluff [dot] plus [dot] com (removing the bumfluff to get the real email address) and I’ll pass on the info.

    153. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Wullie B: I only discovered that story recently and I would love to go to St Kilda. Former climbing buddies of mine went there and had a very rough return journey to the mainland ahead of some bad weather. I’ll try to get a copy of that title on A____n.

      Why “former buddies” I hear you ask? Closet Brexiteers they were and worse but it took me a few climbs to suss ’em. Matters came to a head on Ben Ledi.

      Anent (ooh!) Braveheart: whatever trendy Bella C Types say, I will always be grateful to James Horner for providing the music for me to walk my younger daughter up the aisle a couple of years ago:

      If you have tears, etc…

      @yesindyref2: “a big head on a wise man” in the Language of Eden, mon vieux haricot. Must point out that there is another Gaelic version that says, “A small head on a wise man”.

    154. Wullie B says:

      Aye, its not the nicest of crossings at times, we did have a good spell between May and July, but since has been pretty crap, Aye you need to go out there, and if you can, camp for a day or two to see the entire island.
      As for Bella C, I left that site in 2014/15 as couldnt be arsed with all the pseudo Socialism that went on, only komrades are allowed to post in my experience and stopped visiting after falling out with some of those felllas and some of the green socialists, dont get me wrong I am not against it, but I see the entire picture of Scotland needing the support of even right wing voters before we will get independence and that means toaraidhs which I was piloried and called a Britnat plant amongst others, so couldnt be arsed
      As for Braveheart, its a bloody film, and a decent one at that, historically inaccurate in places but even Better Together Blairs been screaming about Tommy S showing a homophobic film from an anti semite producer, they all seem to be reading ff the same script,

    155. Tinto Chiel says:

      Amen to all that, Wullie. I’m not a great sailor in the old chunder sense but will try to give it a go before I pop my clogs.

      I have writer friend who contributed a few articles to Bella for a time but he gradually was deemed “not wanted on voyage” for some obscure reason. Ironically, his speciality was land reform and currency, not pretentious cultural matters and he was a fan of Common Weal but he obvs. offended someone.

      Too may egos, not enough smeddum, imo.

    156. yesindyref2 says:

      I think I was up Ben Ledi years ago (a lot of years), unless there’s munroes around Loch Vennachar (can’t think of any offhand, nearest maybe Ben Venue). Was on the other side of the loch yesterday anyway in the execution of my business, a few showers, wind and some sun, and a whole lot of tour buses, don’t remember it being that busy before with them. Didn’t count but there must have been over 50 back and for, via Aberfoyle or poor Hamish’s gaff. I think there’s plans for Aberfoyle by the way, needs a bit of a facelift. And it was hit by the closure of the A81 with the bridge being struck twice.

    157. Thepnr says:

      A good film that I watched a few months back after finding it by accident and I’d recommend is Apocalypto. It was directed by Mel Gibson in 2016 and is a story about the Mayan people of South America before the Spanish arrive in the 16th century.

      It’s all spoken in the language of that time so subtitles throughout. It’s on Amazon Prime.

    158. Fred says:

      Bens Venue & Ledi not Munro’s guys. Got out to St Kilda years ago on a yacht & stayed a couple of nights, motoring all night from Mingulay. Most remarkable place. Must have been quite a shock to Lady Grange after her violent abduction & not understanding a word from the natives. When they later moved her in a small boat a ship appeared & her minders prepared to throw her overboard with a rock tied to her neck, I think she had burned the mince!
      Lovat had to flee to Dunvegan to his MacLeod relations when things got too hot & Atholl was on his tail. When you look at these family portraits & note that they all looked the same that’s because they were all the same extended family. The Fraser’s nowadays I fear have had any heroism bred out of them, judging by the likes of Murdo & Douglas. Completely ism-less whateffer!

    159. Thepnr says:

      That should be 2006 not 2016.

    160. Tinto Chiel says:

      @yesindyref2: Ben Ledi of the two cairns isn’t a Munro, I think, but the view from the top is pretty special.

      Fred: yup, as for the Frasers, how are the mighty fallen. The Scots Nobility must be the ultimate oxymoron. A loathsome bunch who sold us out for buttons and will do so again if we let them.

      Hope lies with the proles, imo.

    161. Tinto Chiel says:

      Ooh, I really like this but what’s happened to Bobby G?

      These young chaps covered a room and some groupies in hot chocolate in a hotel in Markinch. I know ‘cos it said so on a photograph on the wall in our room.

      My life’s been pretty boring……

    162. yesindyref2 says:

      So it isn’t! I feel so – cheated. Might have to decrease my Munro count, no idea if I included Venue or even Ledi at the time. Mmm, I’ll just call them hills, that’ll be safe!

    163. Tinto Chiel says:

      Don’t worry, yesindyref2, the only time I climbed Ben Venue the track up became a roaring burn and there was an ugly shack near the top with steel shutters. It’s not really worth the effort, the state it’s in.

      After Indy, we should light beacons on all our country’s Munroes and have a giant party, with corned beef and gherkin sandwiches.

      Night, all.

    164. yesindyref2 says:

      Can’t rememeber it TC, would have been early 80s and it’s barely possible I was paying more attention to the females in the group I used to walk with 🙂

    165. Wullie B says:

      Aye Fred , the Frasers hid in Dunvegan in 1702 or thereabouts after raping some lassie that was supposed to marry the young Strichen Fraser, who funnily enough are the line the Lovats are now,
      Aye Lady Grange went from Heisker to Hiort, to Rodel then Assynt before ending up in Waternish at the MacNeills, but she apparently spent time in a cave at Idrigill Pointt beside the MaclEods Maidens for upto 18months as well, the guie on my boat didnt think the story was worthwhile telling, but I always found it an integral part of the known Kilda history

    166. Fred says:

      @ Wullie, it was the lassie’s mother that he allegedly raped while his piper drowned the screams/orgasmic outpourings, take your pick. Anyhow, she was physically abused by her family the Atholl’s when she wouldn’t testify against Simon which tells U something. The Murray’s were a bunch of Atholl’s.

      Would make a good movie, the box-office would Lovat! 🙂

    167. hackalumpoff says:

      We haff kultcha dontchano.

      Western Isles Council have responded to controversy about their anti Gaelic school stance by stating that to do so would be offensive to the Norse/Pictish culture of the islands.

      Vilhelm Donaldsson of the Council said “We are Vikings up here. You can see it in the placenames …

    168. Shinty says:

      FAO DMH – goods arrived, thank you.

      A wee plug here for the Saltire Scarves from Dave McEwan Hill at Yes Cowal. They are really nice and only £4.50 each.

      On another note and a wee rant.
      I purchased the scarves for my friend & I going to Loch Lomond Live, Drymen 22 & 23 Sept.
      With only 9 days notice the event has been cancelled.

      Although disappointed for myself, I’m devastated for the local businesses. All the hotels and B&B’s have been booked for weeks.
      Also seriously annoyed that the ‘Loch Lomond’ Live name will be tainted for any future events.

      I’ve been told that the organiser, hasn’t a clue and can’t afford to pay the farmer for his ground (under legislation farm animals must be kept off fields for a period of 6 weeks prior to use). So the organisers knew well in advance of 9 days that they could not continue with the event.

      This is a 2 day festival with 50 bands, trade stands, family fun day etc. so there is no way this can be blamed on one person.
      If anyone knows who is behind this event, please let me know.

      Rant over. Cheers.

    169. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I was watching the “independencelive” livestream from George Square today and was AMAZED to see Alastair Macdonald live on stage.

      I only possess one of his singles and, prescient me, I linked to it around a month ago. He was one of those ‘weel kent puhsses’ who was on Scottish entertainment progs on TV back in the 70s and 80s. I never had anything against him.

      Onnyhoo, it was good to see him coming out for independence (first time at an independence rally?) as he will be ‘weel kent’ to a certain generation.

      So, here’s what I posted a month ago…

    170. Chick McGregor says:

      Naw BDTT he his been oot fir a while.
      Ah’ll admit Ah wis a wee bit surpriset when Ah heard massel.

      The first time Ah heard o ‘im wis at Perth Folk Club aroonaboot 1970. Ah arrived a bitty late an the rule wis, if onybuddy wis singin’ ye waited ootside the door till they stoapit singin afore goin in. Weel, furby massel there wis anither chiel waitin tae get in an a.
      I keekit through the door windae and clockit that there wisnae mony in that nicht sae Ah turned tae the chiel and said ‘Disnae look like this Alistair McDonald cin be much guid goin by the turnoot.’
      When we went in, the chiel went up ontae the stage – it wis him.
      By jings! Ah hid a riddy ye cuild hae spied fae Ooter Space.

    171. Chick McGregor says:

      I hope I’m wrong but I get the feeling something like Independence First might need to be restarted if Westminster refuses a referendum.

      Mind you, if they leave the ECHR and like America last week the UNHCR with presumably the ICJ to follow it is difficult to see what might be achieved by it.

      For those who do not know what Independence First was (it has been well buried by the media) then here is a flyer for our second march, the first march of about 1500 being depicted on it and some basic info about IF.

    172. Chick McGregor says:

      Amanda Brown’s ‘mish mash’ between Caledonia and Stanley Od’s ‘Letter’ is exceptional. I heard her do it before but she has really honed the performance now, well worth a listen to.

      From 3:19:30 in, it it works.

    173. Sarah says:


      Have you had any feedback from Callum about the increase in sales of the daily National following last Saturday’s effort? I’m itching to know!

    174. Chick McGregor says:

      Amanda Brown’s ‘mish mash’ between Caledonia and Stanley Od’s ‘Letter’ is exceptional. I heard her do it before but she has really honed the performance now, well worth a listen to.

      From 3:19:30 in, it it works.

    175. Chick McGregor says:

      I hope I’m wrong but I get the feeling something like Independence First might need to be restarted if Westminster refuses a referendum.

      Mind you, if they leave the ECHR and like America last week the UNHCR with presumably the ICJ to follow it is difficult to see what might be achieved by it.

      For those who do not know what Independence First was (it has been well buried by the media) then here is a flyer for our second march, the first march of about 1500 being depicted on it and some basic info about IF.

    176. Chick McGregor says:


      I don’t know. My sky email account has been hacked and I can’t get access. I changed the password and had temporary access and could see from countless mailer returns that messages had been sent to many folk, none of who’s email addresses I recognised. The email content was a bunch of numbers and letters, virus?

      It stopped working again.

      I phoned sky and the woman said if resetting doesn’t work there is nothing more she could do. I do not have a sky account and the email account is a legacy free account from years ago so no financial leverage.

      She suggested contacting Microsoft. I had a look but couldn’t see anything on Microsoft that might be useful.

      So, as I have a bt account and email I am just switching over to that but I can’t see if he has communicated on my old sky account.

      Maybe I will email him with my bt email but my suspicion is that, due to the way it was done, it will not have produced the 500-800 circulation increase predicted.

      Hope I’m wrong there.

    177. Chick McGregor says:


      I don’t know. My sky email account has been hacked and I can’t get access. I changed the password and had temporary access and could see from countless mailer returns that messages had been sent to many folk, none of who’s email addresses I recognised. The email content was a bunch of numbers and letters, virus?

      It stopped working again.

      I phoned sky and the woman said if resetting doesn’t work there is nothing more she could do. I do not have a sky account and the email account is a legacy free account from years ago so no financial leverage.

      She suggested contacting Microsoft. I had a look but couldn’t see anything on Microsoft that might be useful.

      So, as I have a bt account and email I am just switching over to that but I can’t see if he has communicated on my old sky account.

      Maybe I will email him with my bt email but my suspicion is that, due to the way it was done, it will not have produced the 500-800 circulation increase predicted.

      Hope I’m wrong there.

    178. Sarah says:

      Sorry to hear about the hacked email – if we weren’t paranoid before, perhaps we are now!
      As for the National, I’m sure there will have been a spike – there must be a lot of the 64 groups which delivered them through letter boxes – it can’t have only been us in Ullapool & Lochbroom who did!

      And we are prepared to do it again because the 200 we took only covered about 30% of Ullapool. We could spread it out as you advised, and do everything by your method.

      Anyway, thank you again for your initiative.

    179. Chick McGregor says:

      That link doesn’t seem to work automatically. I stripped of the https:// in case it invoked the wrath of Stu like the httpw:// for YT vids.

      Worth the effort involved patching it up to catch a great and moving performance.

    180. CameronB Brodie says:

      Just been catching up and have to agree with Liz g, British nationalists do often appear to have a Michael Bentine’s “Potty Time” appreciation of world history. One of the causes is that the practice of studying history in Britain has played an important role in the creation and perpetuation of paternalistic and colonial social structures. Just ask Dan Snow, though I think he’s a British nationalist Tory, so you can’t really consider him impartial nor trustworthy.

      Imperial and colonial history

      ….The very core terminology of the subject(s) is deeply contested. Keith Hancock, seen by many as the greatest of all historians of the British empire, famously proclaimed that imperialism is ‘no word for scholars’.(2) A distinguished historian of early modern Ireland, Steven Ellis, suggests that whether the British-Irish relationship was a colonial one is merely ‘a matter of opinion, since colonialism as a concept was developed by its modern opponents and constitutes a value-judgement which cannot be challenged on its own grounds.’(3)

      The Idea of “Colonial Legacy” and the Historiography of Empire

      During the last half?century of the British Empire, few historians outside the political Left expressed concern about how British rule would be judged by future generations. To most scholars, at least through World War II, the empire appeared to be building a solid legacy of progressive political and economic institutions, which were gradually rooting both the “rule of law” and commercial, agricultural, and industrial development in native soil. As the Cambridge historian Eric Walker summed up in his wartime work, The British Empire: Its Structure and Spirit, the empire was “a great human achievement.”1 As historiography, this view had a number of basic flaws. It was morally and empirically one?sided, taking little account of the complaints coming from the governed or the criticisms from British scholars of the Left; it exaggerated not just the empire’s beneficence but its power and influence upon the colonized; it had no place for the agency of these colonized people themselves; and it treated the long centuries before British arrival as unimportant and irrelevant….

      Rules of Thumb: British history and ‘imperial culture’ in nineteenth- and twentieth-century Britain


      This paper examines the traditions of both British imperial and British domestic historiography and calls for a re-mapping of both so that the so-called separate spheres of ‘home’ and ‘away’ may be brought back into the same fields of debate. Its central claim is that imperial ideology and its effects were not phenomena ‘out there’. Empire was not a singular place; nor did ‘home’ exist in isolation from it. In spite of the polarization, which has been characteristic of their historiographies, their relationship was dialectic rather than dichotomous. These insights, while derived in part from new trends inside British history itself, owe both their theoretical rigor and their self-avowedly political concerns to post-colonial and feminist historiographical work, which together insist on the desacralization of ‘Britain’ proper.

    181. yesindyref2 says:

      Email hacking is very common.

      Many of the spam emails I get want me to click on a link, and this is mostly how they get past your security. It could be a link, an apparent pdf or jpg which is an exe or a zip underneath,, even a doc file which first steals yoru template and then can get into macros. And it might be from someone you know who’s been hacked.

      It can steal your address book, or in more serious cases zombie your computer, maybe even make you a command and control for a zombie network. Main purpose is money, one way or another, whether it’s your bank details, a scam, or blackmail “it found pictures of you mas****** and will send them to all your colleagues unless you pay them £300″” usually by bitcoin.

      I have a load of email addresses, and my webserver / mailserver intercepts most of them, up to 100 a day. I personally reckon over 50% of the UK’s computers are currently hacked. People just can’t resist clicking on an enclosure – I never do.

    182. yesindyref2 says:

      Serious question which I don’t want to make MT – what’s the buzz on the National YES Registry? Is it up to scratch?

    183. yesindyref2 says:

      I see the anti-smoking brigade are fuming because of a loophole allowing smoking inside bothies. I guess they want us all blown off this mountain, with the wind. One of my all time favourites as it happens. Doesn’t that send a shiver down the backbone when Sandy comes in?

    184. CameronB Brodie says:

      As there is an upcoming chinwag about culture, here’s some geeky stuff.

      Cultural Studies: A Critical Realist Intervention.


      In general terms this chapter is an attempt to answer the question: ‘What difference does Critical Realism make within the field of Cultural Studies?’ The short answer to this would have to be, regrettably, ‘As yet, not much’. Nevertheless we are convinced of the potential of Critical Realism, especially in its dialectical guise as Dialectical Critical Realism (DCR), to make a significant contribution to Cultural Studies. To demonstrate this we examine Cultural Studies, firstly in historical detail, then in its turn to Policy and finally in its move to embrace the New Media, Creative Industries, and the New Economy.1 We conclude this overview with an attempt to suggest some Critical Realist solutions to the aporiai of Cultural Studies as currently practised.

      Critical Perspectives Toward Cultural and Communication Research

      Cultural Value and Inequality: A Critical Literature Review

    185. CameronB Brodie says:

      With an MA in Social Policy, Kezia Dugdale’s politics appear to be those of a self-serving opportunist. That’s British nationalism for you, Tory to it’s rotten core.

      Work as a route out of poverty: a critical evaluation of the UK welfare to work policy


      At a time when more workless people in the UK are being mandated into highly conditional welfare to work programmes, this article engages with critiques of neoliberalism to argue that such policies cannot be shown to have a major impact on outcomes but are pursued for political reasons. Through a systematic review of the assumptions underpinning current welfare to work programmes in the UK, it is suggested that policy has increasingly been driven by a desire to embed a new consensus in which it is accepted that life should be shaped by work and that the unemployed have responsibility for tackling their own unemployment. This consensus marginalises the voice of the workless and wider criticisms of neo-liberalism and reduces the scope for oppositional political organisation. The analysis indicates three areas where contestation and broader study will be important in the future to protect the well-being of the unemployed. They are: welfare reform and the attempt to shape the whole welfare system to embed a work ethic; the demand side of the labour market including requirements on employers; and the empowerment of the unemployed.

      Keywords: welfare to work, unemployment, welfare reform, labour market, neoliberalism, empowerment

      P.S. Arbeit macht frei, or so they say.

    186. Chick McGregor says:

      Found this on

      I found it moving and have shared widely.

      A declaration

      I am a Pictish child
      who starved to death
      after our crops were burned
      by some well-fed warlord
      to intimidate another
      in whose praise the bards
      first elevated speech to poetry,
      in the Age of Arthur, long ago.
      They never sang a song for me.

      I am a child of Dalriada
      who perished in the pestilence
      which the saints told us God sent
      to punish us for the sins
      described in their Vulgate
      and by their desert fathers,
      sins which explained our misery.
      But I was happy until they came.

      I am the infant daughter of MacWilliam,
      brains bashed out against the mercat cross
      one dreich day in Forfar:
      a lineage extinguished, a dynasty defunct,
      to throttle the bifurcations of history
      as had been publicly proclaimed in advance.
      But what do I know of ambition?

      I am the nameless child
      ripped from its mother’s womb
      in the streets of Berwick
      after the three days of its siege and sack
      before the flower of our chivalry were captured
      at Dunbar, and the country fell,
      and the chronicler recorded how the manner of my death
      seemed to exceed even the most medieval of excesses,
      and prompted churchmen to ask a king
      to call a halt to the atrocities.

      I and my twin brother were miscarried
      before we could be baptised,
      dying along with our mother
      in the smoke and straw and turmoil
      as the blazing thatch collapsed
      when they burned us out
      to clear the land for sheep.

      I took my last breath
      before I could speak my first word
      when I succumbed to tuberculosis
      in the slums of the Calton.

      And since you exported these extravagant atrocities
      that you had practised on each other
      in the narrow corridor of our Scottish centuries
      to fulfil some broader civilising duty you say God ordained,
      I am the American child skewered by a sabre
      as I fled the cavalry, running between our lodges
      while my people’s land was seized to satisfy your cupidity,
      – or rescued from our savagery, as you would have it –
      to submit to the grim teleology of commerce,
      the plough, and the long-horned herds of alien ungulates
      that replaced the buffalo you machine-gunned to extinction
      from the trains you dispatched across the metal web
      you spun across our prairies,

      that grim teleology that dictates
      the dark declining climate of our fates:
      that everything is just a means to an end,
      in which the end of everything awaits.

      I am a child taken from its mother’s arms by the sea
      and drowned as we seek these less hostile shores as refugees,

      and the very language in which my mother named me,
      whose lilt and grace animated my now forgotten name
      has itself been forgotten.

      I am silence.

      I am that mute substratum of your loud history
      that has no voice. I am that bloody backdrop
      to your every great exploit. I am the sawdust
      swept from the stage before the curtain is raised
      and you step forth to perform your epic and inspiring tale.
      I am every untold story lingering in the interstices of your syllables.
      I am the ghost that convects and coils through the shafts of light that project your favourite blockbuster onto the silver screen.
      I am every blank page, every pause, every unseen presence
      loitering at the back of the darkened auditorium.

      But I will be heard now, and it is not for honour
      – for what honour is there in being a victim of history,
      in being the silt and ashes which settle in unseen anoxic depths,
      to form the compacted layers upon which the future struts –

      nor for glory – for what glory is there
      in being disposed of and stamped down and ignored,
      suffocating under wasted generations in the landfill of history –

      nor for riches – for there no recompense for annihilation,
      no coin that compensates for my enforced absence –

      that I speak up, but for freedom
      – freedom to be born, freedom to grow,
      freedom to learn and love and know
      the rain and sun and wind and snow,
      the seasons turn and years unfold –

      for freedom, yes, and that alone,
      which no good man gives up but with his life.
      The same freedom which I never gave up,
      but which was taken from me, with my life,
      when I became a victim of your history,

      and I call on you now for restitution,
      for resurrection, for restoration, of my dignity
      in the dignity you seek to establish for yourselves.
      Give your riches to the beggar. Place that coin
      in the hand held out where mine has been held back,
      and find your glory in the insignificance you embrace,
      your honour in the ego you erase. This is my declaration:

      make this Scotland, and the world it is in,
      a monument to the dignity of all
      in commemoration of those who were granted none.
      Make this Scotland, and the world it is in,
      memorable for the best of reasons,
      in memory of those forgotten for the worst.
      Cultivate the anonymous ashes of the past
      to bring forth a blossom so fragrant with freedom
      that its celebration effaces my anonymity,

      and let there be no more victims of history
      in the future you begin to write today
      on the first page of this,
      my declaration.

    187. Daisy Walker says:

      Brexit and the Smelly Rat

      Some interesting developments re Brexit today. The EU is making efforts to come up with a plan to solve the Irish backstop.

      If they succeed, at the very least a transition period would be doable.

      If the Brexit really is all about the Tax Havens – this would be the last thing Westminster will want, since the tax avoidance legislation comes into act 1/1/19 and into enforcement at several stages within the next 2 – 3 years, and there would be no opt out of this legislation for the UK.

      Up till now I’ve kind of thought of the DUP as an intransigent, weight around Terrible May’s neck. If the tax haven theory is correct. Right just now they are her best ally – and each and every one of them is likely to be very handsomely rewarded.

      Meanwhile the pleasant, reasonable voice of ‘we love you, don’t leave us, lead us’ middle England – i.e. Kirsty Hughes is really pushing for the SNP to back The Peoples Vote.

      What a lot of crap it is. Firstly they’ve left if too late, secondly a Peoples Vote on what – EFTA? Canada++, Norway model, in? out? shake it all about. What a great big time wasting operation it is, just to keep the punters occupied. But more importantly – try and split the SNP / Indy vote.

      If they were serious about The Peoples vote they would campaigning like mad in the swing areas of England, not preaching to the ‘remain’ converted in Scotland.

      Vote remain again Scotland, so we can ignore you all over again and do what we want to you, against your will.

      They really do think we’re zipped up the back.

    188. Lucia Daines says:

      Here’s one for all you fans of black and white movies…

    189. Thepnr says:

      Sorted that link for you Lucia 🙂

    190. Lucia Daines says:

      Thank you Honey – bit tricky this technical stuff.

    191. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Chic(k).

      Thanks for posting that, a sad and salutary reminder that the Smaa Folk, for all their efforts and sacrifice, are usually ignored by the “historians”.

      I noticed your first commented was moderated. Hope you haven’t been a naughty boy.

      Miss Daines: if you come across Paula Rose on your travels, tell her I’ve got two of her library books I found in her smokehouse. Don’t want to publicise the titles, obvs :razz:.

    192. Chick McGregor says:

      ‘I noticed your first commented was moderated. Hope you haven’t been a naughty boy.’

      If I have it is inadvertent. Maybe its because I’ve been using my btinternet email address?

    193. CameronB Brodie says:

      I just tried posting this on the Wee Dug’s site but just in case it doesn’t show up. With regard to preserving a society in aspic, like what British nationalism has to do in order to survive.

      Axiopsychological Refutation of Totalitarian Ideologisms in the Era of Globalization

    194. Welsh Sion says:

      Have just voted in the Plaid Cymru Leadership Election by using my SNP pen (picked up at a Perth Conference, some time ago).

      How’s that about commitment to the indy of our two nations? 😉

      PS ALL three candidates are pledged to the ‘I’ word and they are all strong, decent people. May the best win and lead us in the manner of the SNP to our mutual goals!

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