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    1. Marie Clark says:

      Hi Tinto, watched your selections of old filums for our delectation yesterday. They don’t make them like that anymore. As you say the first one the landscape was bleak, but that was how it was after the war and into the early fifties. I can remember when rationing was stopped, I was just a wee lassie then, but it meant that I got some sweeties that you didn’t often get before,

      Anyway how are you and Mrs TC and the chielettes. All well at Tinto Towers I hope. Whit hiv ye din wi Harvey, he hisnae hud a mention fur a while.

      Like everyone else, I’m getting weary of all this staying in and nowhere to go anyway. The highlight of our social life this days is a trip to Aldi’s for the messages. A trip out for Mr C and myself. I’ve been having a rest from posting for a while, I find that I can’t be bothered arguing the toss with some of the folk and the trolls theses days.

      I walk a lot with the dug these days, and the hoose has never been so clean. All the furniture shifted and cleaned behind. One of the granweans asked the other day, what are we going to do at Christmas, you’ll have all the cleaning done several times over. We usually have a big clean then get the decorations up. I find the darker nights to be a bit of a trial. I’m not used to being in the house as much. Usually out at my dance classes, oh well, back to the jigsaws.

      Take care folks. Dan I hope your toothache gets attended to soon, as Rabbie said, “it’s the hell o a’ diseases”.

    2. Cactus says:

      Thought(s) of the week:

      Week 42

      – It would be curiously interesting to hear what the folks from the European Union think (or know about already) the present situation within the present led Scottish Government. It also makes me now wonder what things did NS actually discuss with the continental Peoples of Mainland Europe. How much could or do they know?

      – Scotland’s independence… the one thing Unionists can’t stop talkin’ about. SO what about us?!

      – Only now 2% remaining to get to over 60% Yes (whatever that might achieve or stimulate.).

      – This Year 2020 is known in the Chinese calendar as Year 4717.

      – The SNP Manifesto 2021: Perfect, say this document has been leaked by the SNP and that this IS indeed their 2021 manifesto – Get them to declare it is NOT their manifesto – Make them state their reasons for not agreeing to the wording (and which parts do they agree with), make them deny it, let them publicly disown this democratic manifesto, make the People of Scotland wonder… “Why doesn’t the leadership agree with it, the Scottish National Party leadership actively support independence, don’t they, right?” Make our electorate expect it. Yes, the other leaders of our international community should look upon this process and proposed manifesto favourably, checkmate genius. Could 2014’s Cassetteboy (or some other skilled cutter) do an edit of all the words, spoken by NS and put together in a manifesto speech VOW (as originally composed below by Rev):

      “We believe that the Scottish people are sovereign, and we hereby announce our intention to declare Scotland independent and submit that intention to the will of the people in this election for their approval.

      Accordingly, if the Scottish National Party should secure more than 50% of the constituency votes in this election, we will consider that a clear mandate to withdraw from the Treaty Of Union, declare Scotland to once more be an independent state, and seek recognition from the international community on the basis of Chapter 1, Article 1 of the UN Charter, the right of all peoples to self-determination, that self-determination having been expressed by this vote.

      Should the UK Government wish, we are willing to confirm that mandate via a referendum, to be held no later than three months from the date of the election, on the same question as that used in 2014. If no such referendum is requested or conducted, the declaration of independence based on the election result will automatically be considered to stand.

      Upon the secure establishment of independence, a new general election will be called immediately.

      With regard to other policies, our current positions on all issues remain unchanged, and all future legislation will be brought before the Parliament, debated and voted on in the normal manner.”

      Signed on behalf of Scotland,
      Wings Over Scotland.

      Share the draft Manifesto for Independence 2021 further online via social media and other inventive ways. Once again, make the SNP leadership publicly disown it. That action alone should speak volumes to people who are listening. Let the pressure build further upon the incumbents. SO to be sneeky, it’s like making the SNP leadership make a ‘VOW’ to their own manifesto hehe, all it would need is an autograph at the bottom. A crowdfunded postcard mailshot yeah, how much for 1,000,000 postcards? (x4 postcards per sheet of A4, that’s 250,000 sheets of paper/card) Pending the next Wee Book… could it be worth considering an interim project of something like: The ‘Wee Blue Manifesto’. The best thing is, you can then post the postcard on again to the next 1M Scottish people. It could also work well as a calling card. Yes, times juan sheet of A4 paper/card divided into 4 quarters, you then have your 1 million manifesto postcards. We had our Declaration of Arbroath back in 1320, so this would be a very timely contribution and reintroduction for 2020. Ah, “to be from these evils…” I’m in.

      All every reader needs to do is: Press and P… then press .

      – Come 1st January 2021 does anyone believe that whoever is Prime Minister of the UK, is NOT going to announce some kind of EVELesque speech that very Friday morning. It’s at that point, previous European protections are no longer available to Scotland… what happens then?

      – I do believe in the power of Wings.

      – Is there an election / referendum / vote imminent or something… it’s seven long months to May ’21 and I’m already receiving PPB bumph thru the post and also as seen on a guest tv.

      – Quality flick again and thx TC for sharing “The Long Memory”, that was a really good movie with some devilishly distinguished characters and excellent acting, Eva Eva-baby like. Especially “The Long Shot” from yon Clint Eastwood dude with the rifle at the end of the movie… “whistle whistle”. Hi Marie Clark, wishing ye well x.

    3. Marie Clark says:

      Hi prickly one, how are doing, hope you’re well. Take care and keep safe.

    4. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Marie. Glad you are still dropping in here and monitoring quality, or in my case, pure kwality.

      AOK at The Towers but we missed The Wee One terribly during total house arrest. Fortunately she remembered us and my grate jokes. She beat me at three-card brag two weeks ago so things going swimmingly in the education dept.

      Harvey is a bit fragile at the mo because he thinks the goldfinches are laughing at him but he’s looking forward to Christmas and the chestnut stuffing. Have a Kool Yule yourself with all the fambly.

      @C-Man: loved The Rev’s Declaration of Bath too but I wouldn’t place much hope in the EU post-31/12/20. We’ve chosen not to be independent and the Europeans will just negotiate the best deal they can get with Bojo for assets like our fishing.

      That “long shot” Flint Yeastfood fillum: I’ve been trying to remember its title. It’s the one where he kills the baddy on a rock with a shot from incredibly long range in an arid landscape, innit? Any ideas what it’s called?

    5. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Ian B: loved that scene. That whole desperate, precarious bit of juggling for balance on the edge of disaster fair summed up my professional “career” πŸ™‚ .

      That wasn’t actually the film I think I remember: Clint shoots the guy on the rock in the head from an impossible range with a time delay for added dramatic tension. Or does my mind deceive me?

      Still recovering from that foatie on the M/T with our leader grinning beside that creepy dork in a dress.

      Was it for this the clay grew tall?

      “Weasels, rip my flesh!” he Zappa’d.

    6. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      Nah, you’ve got me there.

      Still haven’t had peace to see The Long Memory but it’s top of the list.

    7. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      This Eastwood film – could it the The Eiger Sanction?

    8. Tinto Chiel says:

      Don’t think so, Ian. I’m beginning to wonder if I’ve imagined it, since I’ve checked his list of fillums and none seems to fit. Might have been a non-Yeastfood fillum with the same scene with the distant shot.

      Yon chiel wot played creepy Miles Mellow in TES was father of teen heart-throb David Cassidy:NALOPKT!

    9. Clapper57 says:

      @ Brian Doonthetoon

      Brian , I no longer comment on MT but felt compelled to congratulate you for calling out a particular odious individual on MT last night…..he drags this site down and when he attacks people like you then it is obvious what his real motive is….anybody who criticizes him is deemed a Sturgeon fanatic.

      Though he has ONE friend on MT who supports him and who thinks he is funny……

      I also see that if anyone deflects from what he sees as is the only relevant topic i.e. anti Sturgeon…. then he shoots them down… someone made a comment about Trump and was accused of posting crap about Trump and apparently according to him ” This was posted to try to and deviate attention away from the core topic “….as in the ONLY topic he EVER wants to talk about constantly….as self imposed site moderator.

      As an ex SNP member who is critical of Ms Sturgeon’s leadership, where in previous threads I have said my piece, I do not feel compelled to repeat same thing over and over again. At least others on MT are adding new issues to this topic and not rehashing same old tired sheeite and constantly judging others contributions and condemning them also resorting to insulting them personally and categorising them as…….. Sturgeon fanatics….unfairly.

      Since when , after an appropriate time , can one NOT be able to add a comment that one wants without another contributor stating not allowed…..I used to enjoy adding comments…. now I just cannot do it…still read what Rev posts and support him.

      It is quite depressing…as if not depressed enough I have no energy or inclination to comment….and I for one am not confident enough to comment and be berated and belittled…I think my type of comments are no longer welcome on this site. and I am not a strong enough person to try….glad you are.

      Best wishes to you, Tinto , JGedd, IanB and all others on OT.

      Hope everyone on here is well and have a good day/evening

    10. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Aye, Clapper57, he’s becoming rather tedious.

    11. Marie Clark says:

      Clapper 57, I know just how you feel. I’ve been taking time out from most of it. Like yourself I read it, but quite honestly more times than not, I just can’t be bothered.

      This long year with the virus is taking it’s toll on a lot of people’s mental health. I’m a glass half full gal, but even I feel it at times. Don’t comment much anywhere now, sometimes on WGD. I’ll come back to the fight when I can muster some energy for it.

      While I’ve mentioned WGD Paul has a crowdfunder going, canne dae the linky thing. Have a look on his sight and see if you have a spare bawbee to give to it.

      Take care Clapper 57 and stay here and rest among your friends.

    12. Clapper57 says:

      @ Marie Clark @ 12.23pm


    13. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Clapper and Marie Clarke: cheer up, Laydees! My autumn collection previews next Monday: a riot of aubergine, russet and heliotrope erupting over the wacky world of Torrance-tribute tank-tops, male hot pants, culottes and plus-fours.

      Tried to post some exclusive shots but my digital skills are sadly lacking.

      And this is for JGedd: hope you are improving by the day. Heard this on The Third Programme (timewarp still active in Auld Cadzow area) today and thought you might like it, being a soffisticate:

      First encountered his piano work in “Rope”.

    14. Marie Clark says:

      Tinto, oh be still my beating heart. I cannae wait for the new collection. Wonder what oor ain smallaxe would have made of that.

      Careful noo, remember, one day your cock o’ the walk, next your a feather duster.

    15. Marie Clark says:

      Tinto, just read that again, the last remark was meant to be humorous, sorry if it reads as kind of sharp. Not meant that way.

    16. Lizg says:

      Marie Clarke @ 9.09
      While it was good of you to make sure, I thought you’d like to know, I thought you were being funny too.
      And if I know Brian …when he turns up he’ll tell ye the same thing and reassure ye that he did not think ye sharp.

      I only turned up here ( funnily enough) because Smallaxe was on my mind too.

      A wee dig at Paul WGD on the main thread earlier , that , might/might no have got nasty had me just about to post … the humanity and “Peace Always” ethos taught by oor Smallaxe runs far too strong BTL with far too many on this site to buy the shit yer selling pal… So don’t even go there …

      Of course then the news about Ginger came in and that put the kibosh on their stupid…

      But all that sent me lookin at old conversations….. my that man was a Gem Marie wasn’t he !!!
      And Cearc ??? πŸ™‚ whit a wummin….. I’m now resolved to try even harder to suppress my natural Bitch ( not a whole lot I can do about my resting Bitch face πŸ™‚ but still come to the Wings stall I’ve never bitten anyone …yet… ) and be mindful of Smallax and how he accepted every bit of the Yes movement for what it was and for what it can be…. as best I can….
      Peace Always my off topic friends xxxx

      AND ….. Just on the off chance that ye ever look in…. My very Best as Always to you and yours Mrs Smallaxe xxx I think of ye often πŸ™‚

    17. Tinto Chiel says:

      Morning, Marie: don’t give it a thott. I was laughing anyway and you should hear what my carer calls me. Almost split my eau de Nil culottes.

      Sad to hear about Spencer Davis. Think he was a Plaid Cymru supporter, like yon mad-haired Michael Sheen.

      Stevie Winwood’s still on the go, though:

    18. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi TC.

      Typing of things Welsh…

      During my time as DJ in Jaspers Rock Club at the Tay Hotel in Dundee (!989-1995), every two years, a large flock of Welsh rugby fans booked in for the weekend of the Scotland v Wales game at Murrayfield.
      It made sense for them to get cheaper accommodation in Dundee and travel down to and back from Edinburgh after the gemme.

      Onnyhoo, I always made a point of playing this track on the Friday and Saturday nights of the rugger weekend. Went down well with the Welsh peeps.

      It’s from Argent’s live album “Encore”. The middle 8 was the bit that went down more than well.

    19. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      For TC and Ronnie…

      Volume on the first one needs turned up but get the volume back down before the second!

    20. Tinto Chiel says:

      Ah, I see what you mean about “We’ll keep a welcome in the hillside”. Coincidentally, MRD was Welsh, did you pure ken?

      Not much of a singer but she stuck the fingers up to all the hypocrisy of the time and did well for herself eventually. That whole Stephen Ward thing was very murky and there must have been lots going on below the surface with the security services.

      I’ve enrolled her in my “Did you know they were Welsh?” club along with Tommy Cooper and Ian (State Licensed Jester) Hislop, although the little squirt seems to hate being reminded he was born in Mumbles. Was there not a programme where he was also embarrassed by having a Gaelic-speaking relative in the Hebrides?

    21. Tinto Chiel says:

      Something for the weekend, campers: lots of Scottish interest, from the original Scottish author (Shettleston’s finest) to the wonderful location shots:

      You’re welcome!

    22. Marie Clark says:

      Morning folks, and a very wet and windy one it is too here in the south west.

      Mr C has taken himself off for a day or two and I have the weekend to myself. Oh my, I dinnae ken how I’ll manage withoot his instruction to keep me right. Aye right, I’m planning to do nothing for a wee change. I don’t even have the wee dug to walk as she is away with her other human. I’ll think about what I’ll do later, I’m kinda busy doing nothing just now.

      Hope everyone is well and managing to avoid the dreaded virus. We seem to have an outbreak in the local care home which is a bit worrying. One poor soul has died, very sad for all concerned.

      I see the WGD is slowly improving, and he’s being moved away from the charming wee bigot in the next bed. Can I just give a wee mention to his crowdfunder, details on Paul’s sight. It started away well but has slowed somewhat. I know times are not easy cash wise for a lot of us, but if you can give a wee bit for one of the stalwarts of the indy campaign, I’m sure it’ll be very welcome.

      Have a good day everyone, I know I’m going to enjoy mine. Take care.

    23. Dan says:

      @ Tints (your cool weekend sunglasses wearing handle)

      Up ^^^ somewhere you asked about birds. (The feathered kind rather than the ones that used to be on the side of Tennents Lager tinnies)*

      I spoke with an acquaintance today who is up the curve on such things and he mentioned the kestrel population has been in decline for years. Possibly due to reduced margins at the edges of fields reducing their prey’s habitat, and also competition from the likes of buzzards.
      He has ringed young buzzards on a nest and found they had been feeding on a Kestrel.
      We set up a trail cam last winter like the one in the wildlife crossing stream vid I posted previously, and captured footage of various owls, buzzards, rats, and even a red squirrel feeding on and investigating the carcass of a deer. I was hoping we may have seen a wildcat but it was a mild winter so they would be less likely to opportunistically take advantage of a deer carcass to feed on as they would still be able to feed on their normal meals of mice and the like.

      Crazy wet weather this weekend so no chimney work undertaken, instead spent some time in the woods digging channels to drain the flooded tracks that through years of neglect make them a muddy quagmire and pretty much impassable in wet weather.
      Folk go on about land reform but with that it will mean taking on the responsibility of managing the land. It is actually pretty enjoyable doing the graft and seeing the improvement it brings.
      While I was wet and mucky I also spent an hour clearing an area of overgrown pavement which had become blocked by weeds and brambles again rendering it impassable. I’m sure the local council will acknowledge my effort and reduce my council tax by the appropriate amount…

      *My bro-inlaw worked at Tennents back in the day, and they once had a printing error on a run of the lager tins which resulted in one the ladies having what looks like a manly appendage showing through their lace dress.
      Those “limited edition” tins were known as The Tadger Cans.

    24. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Dan The Man: thanks for the informed ornithological info. We never saw buzzards Where I Am until roughly the late 90s but now they are common feeding on roadkill on the M74. We used to get excited spending holidays in Ardgour and Ardnamurchan because when we saw them there we felt we were in the wilds and had truly arrived.

      Coincidentally, around that time the red squirrels and green woodpeckers disappeared from our neighbourhood. I’m a bit perturbed by your carnivorous squirrel: what has happened to cute ickle wickle squirrel nutkin?

      “I’m sure the local council will acknowledge my effort and reduce my council tax by the appropriate amount…” Now that WAS funny!

      “They once had a printing error on a run of the lager tins which resulted in one the ladies having what looks like a manly appendage showing through their lace dress.”

      Tennent’s was just ahead of its GRA time, surely, or mebbe Daddy Bear worked there in an executive capacity in those days πŸ˜‰ .

    25. Cactus says:

      Evening y’all, thought(s) for Week 43 of 53, now in the past tense:

      – Nothing new of note to share, just wondering if anyone is getting dressed up for Halloween ’20 this year… cause in lieu of these current sociable standings, I’m considering getting out and putting on my Batman costume this Saturday, Boof!

    26. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Cactus –

      Have been doing a Batman impersonation here for months, climbing the walls…


    27. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @C***** –

      Ach, FFS, forgot again…

      I was just saying that loads of us have been doing Batman impersonations for months, climbing the walls…


    28. Cactus says:

      You’re right there with the climbing of the wa’s Ian Brotherhood.

      Some of us climb and some of us just hang around.

      This Halloween could be known as… H20.

      Ye feeling thirsty. πŸ™‚

    29. JGedd says:

      Posted this link at the bum end of a thread on MT. Should have posted it here where people might be more given to reflection, being the soffisticates they are. ( Is that enough basting with butter then?)

      Our own local difficulties called to mind this novella, ‘Flatland’, published in the Victorian age & recalled how effective it was as a satire in any age, including our own. For those who haven’t read it, the Wikipedia link is pretty explanatory.

    30. Tinto Chiel says:

      @JGedd: I laughed seeing you post that on the main thread. What have I told you about posting such stuff there?

      That book seems so clever my bwain certainly couldn’t cope with it. Coincidentally, I’m having a 2D compass bearing problem in the real 3D world which involves allowing for the difference between magnetic north and grid north. I can see this small eminence on the distant horizon but it’s off the OS sheet WIA and so it’s hard to follow a bearing on the next one, if you get my meaning. I believe MN and GN will be almost the same in the Glasgow area in a few months’ time but it’s still driving me mad carrying over the angle onto another sheet.

      Vasco da Gama, ya bass!

      This butter’s lovely…….

    31. David says:

      Warning – Not Safe For Work (NSFW).
      To be honest this is also Not Safe For Play, and frankly Not Safe For Any Time…

      Video from 1995, showing a US group performing one of their club hits on a Brazilian tv programme “Xuxa”.
      Just one thing – the show is for kids, and the song is for adults…
      20 Fingers feat. Sandra Gillette, singing ‘Short Dick Man”. It might be Richard Leonard’s theme song but I doubt it.

      Watch, and take your chin off the floor! πŸ™‚

    32. Dan says:

      @ Tinto (back to boring weekday nomenclature)

      I was concerned my wording might give the impression of crazed meat eating squirrels. Maybe a comma would have helped separate those doing the eating from those doing the investigating.
      In mitigation I failed my English O grade, but passed my French somehow, possibly because I was more attentive dans le class Francaise due to the rather attractive French assistant…

      JGedd, a quick read of the wiki page and Flatland sounds ace! I’m picking up a hint of the Plato’s Cave Allegory, but more in wonderment of how an actual film would be made to capture the various differing dimensions.

      Dark at 5 o’ clock, and shitty wet weather to boot for the foreseeable, at this rate Santa won’t have a bloody chimney to get doon on ma hoose… πŸ™
      Did manage to prepare the last course of a dozen bricks so they are ready to lay if I get a few dry daylight hours. Then it’ll be building a wooden frame and mold around the top layer of bricks so I can pour concrete and cast the first part of the lum’s crown.

    33. JGedd says:

      ‘What have I told you about posting such stuff there?’

      I know, I know but I got into a muddle through getting called away twice in the middle of typing the comment, thought I had changed over to O/T & posted in haste without checking. I is a idiot.

      (What problem are you trying to solve with your compass? How to get to Middle Earth?)

      The interesting thing about ‘Flatland’ is that as well as a social satire, Abbot was having fun with mathematics. Square, for example, in a 2-dimensional world, can be confined in a prison which is merely a rectangle. The emissary from the 3-dimensional world – Sphere – can only be perceived by Square as an expanding or shrinking circle as he arrives & departs.

      It was also a time when mathematics was being shaken up by new ideas. Towards the end of the 19th century, mathematicians were embarking on intriguing new concepts – such as imaginary numbers – which departed from traditional mathematics. In fact, these new concepts would eventually attract the attention of physicists who later, from these innovative ideas would develop quantum theory.

      However, all of this pushing the boundaries of mathematics would also inspire the creation of another work of literature (Alice in Wonderland & Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll) because as Charles Dodgson, he was a mathematician at Christ Church who abhorred the new mathematics, being a traditional Euclidian.

      It used to be thought that ‘Alice etc.’, was about the Freudian subconscious but now, it seems, Dodgson was being satirical about the new mathematics.

      ‘You must train yourself to believe six impossible things before breakfast.’

      Politics just seems so obvious and boring but at the same time, as bizarre as the world through the Looking Glass. Which is why when everyone is avidly discussing the present condition of Scottish politics, I find my mind wandering off to recalling ‘Flatland’, Lewis Carroll and…..

      The time has come to talk of many things: Of shoes – and ships – and sealing wax – Of cabbages and kings – And why the sea is boiling hot – And whether pigs have wings.

    34. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Dan: so the squirrel may only have been investigating? Understood! Lang may yer lum, etc.

      @David: I suppose the easiest explanation is that Portuguese speakers wouldn’t understand it. Otherwise, FFS!

    35. Tinto Chiel says:

      @JGedd: “(What problem are you trying to solve with your compass? How to get to Middle Earth?)”

      No, it’s somewhere near Caldercruix, NL.

      Dodgson did spring to mind, since my old Penguin edition of “Alice” did stress the mathematical background. Love the beauty of Maths, but can’t understand it.

    36. Dorothy Devine says:

      I only got as far as the incredible beauty of the 9X table – after that I was lost.

    37. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thing was, Dorothy, I was ok but not great at algebra, calculus and doing chemical equations but things like trig and geometry were difficult for me, which probably explains why I find using a compass for taking a bearing rather demanding. I blame the teachers masel’.

      This has reappeared on YT: a very under-rated film noir which has an amazing shot at the start through a windae worthy of Hitchcock, although it was the last film of R.W. Neill wot done all the Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes films.

      Peter Lorre lorries magnificently.

    38. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ve not posted an oldie for a while, so here’s one about embodiment and emotional cognition. Especially for all those who would deny an individual’s legal rights are grounded in their biology and the universality of the Natural law.

      Ronnie Cook – Super Fine Girl

    39. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s another early Halloween ditty that I think suitably describes the cult of British nationalism. Which our legal Establishment have pledge allegiance to, so they are not interested in defending Scotland’s democracy from Expansionist English nationalism.

      Charlie Barnet Orchestra v. Mary Ann McCall – You’ve Got Me Voodoo’d

    40. Dan says:


      Bastardin’ toothache and 50mph winds and lashing rain just isn’t a conducive environment to be working on a roof! πŸ™

    41. CameronB Brodie says:

      The Lord Advocate is no doubt aware that democracy, human rights, and public health, are interconnected and mutually supportive. So his legal practice simply suggests he allows his ideological outlook to undermine the moral probity of his office.

      Given both ‘our’ parliaments appear determined to turn the clock back on social progress and public morality, I think Scots need to do more to defend their biological integrity, a.k.a. our health.

      The Premier Quartet – That Syncopated Boogie-Boo

    42. Marie Clark says:

      Sorry to hear that the toothache is still plaguing you Dan, cannae dae much aboot the wind and rain. It’s been a heluva day weather wise.

      Seeing it’s halloween, but nae guising, here’s a wee song., or if a wee bit more sophistication is for you

    43. Dan says:

      Aye Marie, the second temporary dressing has failed to settle the nerve pain so it looks like root canal treatment for me on Tuesday…Yay!
      I understand this is now possible due to a return to normal dental treatments… well just as long as more restrictions don’t kick back in over next couple of days.

      More chronic weather forecast for tomorrow as well. πŸ™

      For any eager for a lumwatch update. I did manage to build a wooden mould for casting a concrete plinth on the chimney this afternoon.
      It will be cast in place as it’s easier to carry multiple buckets of concrete up a ladder than lifting what would effectively be two 3′ x 2’s.
      I mean ma abs are fab, but no for liftin’ twa slabs. #McGonagall

      Going to toon wi’ it n’ aw, as have profiled the outer edges of the mould so the overhanging plinth edge is angled downwards so it sheds drips awa’ fae the stack better.
      Plus planed down some 10mm square wooden beads that I will panel pin around the perimeter so that when the mould is removed the concrete will also have a drip recess to further reduce water running down the stack.
      Apparently back in t’day fish oil was used to coat shuttering / moulds when concrete pouring so it releases better and lessens the chances of shiz sticking and breaking chunks aff.
      Nae danger I’ll be using fancy expensive cod liver oil for that so will improvise with the sunflower oil poured aff a tin tuna! A mean, that’s fish oil tae int it? πŸ™‚

    44. William Wallace says:

      Stu is on the rampage πŸ™‚ I have to agree with him. MT was getting super tedious.

      Hope you are all well and thank you for the previous kind words. Sorry I did not respond earlier. I was taking some time away from OT.


      Keep me updated on the camp if you could please. I’ve a fair bit of experience (before I became a father obviously) at different protest camps and would be happy to lend my knowledge, presence and experience if it is of any benefit.

      Here’s a wee link to a protest we did down at the historical centre of sherwood forest back in 2004 in Mansfield Woodhouse.

      There were 3 of us from Scotland in the tunnel team. I’m the guy with all the beige clobber on (from about 4:45 onwards) (I’ve changed a bit obviously since then) with the other two being Kev and Andy who some of you will maybe recognise from Bilston Glen or Faslane. It was a rare laugh although we did spent most of our time pished (especially over winter).

      Still got a good few old contacts from back in the day who would probably be more than willing to help with a more direct approach to digging in should the need arise. πŸ˜‰

    45. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B, Al Stuart & others

      I wish all of you the best going forward. Hard to disagree with some earlier comments that there seems little point getting dragged into arguments on here due to certain individuals being unable to contain their spamming habits: no doubt after a period of quiet after Stu’s warning it will just start all over again.

      I’ll miss interacting with some of the guid folk on here, but since it appears SFA is going to happen politically any time soon (I’m afraid I think the gradualists have probably won), no doubt some other forum will present itself in due course. None of the twitter alternatives seem to have taken off

      Hopefully I’ll get the chance to interact then or even meet some of you in person: I honestly suspect a new party is the only option. In the meantime hopefully connections can be made and meetings arranged when the time is right after Holyrood 2021?

    46. Marie Clark says:

      Wow I see Stu is on the warpath on the MT. I have to agree with him, it was getting out of hand. I very seldom bother to comment over there anymore, it’s hardly worth the effort. Oh well if he opens a new thread everyone better be on their best behaviour, or else the hammer is oot.

      Dan, I think if todays forecast is right, lumwatch will have to be postponed for a day or two. Be careful, we dinnae want ye blawn aff the roof. I enjoyed your comment on the MT aboot the supermarket, I could just picture your moonwalk. Well done sir.

    47. Achnababan says:

      BBC going with a story about patriots and the ‘spirit of Dunkirk’ when its actually a bunch of right wing racists wanting to drown migrants on boats

    48. Cactus says:

      Thought(s) from Week 44 – Yes, I’m up and in for a regular Edinburgh presence with y’all Ian Brotherhood. It would be good to be there at least every Friday to begin with, then mark it by ‘doing something’ at 6pm… singing/chanting/protesting is popular (just as the Scottish news begins on your televisual screens.) Establish a base, set up a ceremonial totem like pole and have some tiki torches for into the evening. Let’s give journalists something to write about, and all for the right reasons. Put it into the hands of the LIVE tv broadcast media at 6pm. Be unavoidable. If they’re there, we’re there. Bring along a chair, stand or be seated, make yourself comfortable, then rise up by standing up at 6pm FOR the news, BE the news. (NB Normally when people sit at a venue, they are waiting for and expecting some kind of performance!) All we need is a constancy to continue. Once it’s been started in Edinburgh, other people may be keen and the template could and would be used by other towns and cities. ps Daisy Walker has some excellent ideas for the protest camp on The Sitter article from the early morn of the 31st.

      – Another excellent piece of quality art and title name for Saturday’s toon yesterday, cheers. Looking at Scotland’s present situations, I sometimes wonder if Chris ever feels like recrafting any of his previous creations to present day, meaning like, for example, remember back to the toon of Hamish one festive beside the Jesus Christmas tree with a large gift-wrapped Number 2 awaiting opening underneath… could you imagine said Jesus Christmas tree being placed under a big locked metal cage with NS standing alongside akimbo. You could call it “Nicola’s Cage” or “Nicola’s Caged 2”.

      – Today is a day (and the first day) for many people in the so-called UK, who will no longer be payed furlough monies. This is bad and that change will have its own natural consequences.

      – SO there goes Halloween’s H20, how was yours? It could also be known as, ‘Holyrood H20+’, in relation to the just over 20 years now of a political horror and abandonment of devolution to Scotland and the Scottish people, let alone our restored independence status.

      – With regardings to the latest chosen political word, which seems to be… ‘tier’. This word appears to be getting introduced into other areas too. Take for example the popular games of Candy Crush, there are new game features where instead of previously using the word ‘levels’, it’s been altered to use complete “tiers (1 of 5)”. It’s all intended do not you know. Our bestest tier to achieve is minus zero (if you’re a believer that is) eitherway it’ll always be cold to the touch. Coronavirus Sirus aside… it’s now two months to go. Seasons Greetings.

      – And now… to finish on a happy note… I give you… C major.

    49. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @William Wallace –

      Great to hear from you – I had no idea you were experienced in that type of thing or I would’ve sought you out before now.

      Early days, and I don’t know if anyone has been discussing anything similar elsewhere but we’ve got to start somewhere.

      Just about to have a swatch at the link you sent. More later.


    50. Daisy Walker says:

      @ Cactus – Knew you’d like it;)

    51. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @C****** –

      Hoots mon, really interesting thoughts on ‘the camp’, it’s becoming more ‘real’ the more we discuss it.


    52. Just a wee suggestion, but I wonder if a LiveJournal blog might work better than Twitter for spreading the word and keeping people in touch? LJ has been around for a long time (I set up my first account there in 2003), but it’s not much used these days. However, it’s by far the best blogging and social-networking site I know of. In format, it’s similar to blogs like WOS, but it has some useful additional features. For example, it allows people to comment directly on previous individual comments in discrete threads, so that it’s clear who is replying to whom with no need to identify the intended recipient. It is also effective as a networking site, as users can follow each other’s accounts and see all of their posts in chronological order on a single ‘friends’ page. It’s free, doesn’t use algorithms, doesn’t censor posts or comments (this is obviously a major advantage in view of Twitter’s blocking of accounts), and it allows for annoying spammers to be simply blocked. You know who I mean. What’s not to like? The account set-up page is here: All that’s required is a willing blogger to set up a ‘Scottish Independence Now’ blog and start the ball rolling.

    53. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @MichaelLaing –

      Thanks for that link.

      Have just created an account. Not sure how I’ll use it but good to know it’s there.



    54. Hi Ian, that’s excellent. I’ve just returned here because it’s occurred to me that LiveJournal also has communities, which allow any member of the community to make blog posts in them. If I or you were to set up a community, we wouldn’t necessarily have to post regularly on it ourselves. What would be necessary though would be to persuade others of like mind to set up accounts on LiveJournal and to join the community.

    55. Andy Ellis says:

      @Michael Laing

      I hadn’t heard of LiveJournal, but could be a good resource: I just set up an account:

      Any like minded Wings folk requests are welcome (apart from Spameron Brodie obvs: there are some limits…!).

    56. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Andy, have just commented, using ‘Tester’ as title. I’m using ianbhood.

      Michael, what name are you on LJ?

    57. @Andy: If necessary, you can easily block Spameron on LJ.

      @Ian: I’m rock_dinosaur, “Dinosaurs of rock” being the abuse hurled by the audience at a band I once played in way back in the day. I’m quite happy to be a dinosaur of rock! Actually, it looks as if my name on here links to my LJ account.

    58. Another wee morsel which may be useful to those of you who have mobile phones: there’s an LJ app for them:

    59. Dan says:

      @ Marie

      Huv been nervous aw day, shittin masel t’was ma post to Ian B which was the straw that broke the camel’s back and led to Stu’s thread lock.
      In my defense and mitigation I was up late mildly buzzin on 30mgs of codiene for the gnasher pain.

      Nae rest the day though, even if weather is shite.
      Lumwatch update follows:
      Created the crown mould utlising recycled wood from an old pallet and sections of old laminate flooring, plus the 3/8″ square tongues and grooves cut off another piece of recycled flooring, which were then carefully planed into trapezoidal shapes and drilled then panel pinned to the base where they will form secondary drip channels once the concrete is poured.
      The wooden rectangular frame is turning into a majestic piece of work and wouldn’t look out of place around the perimeter of an oil painting masterpiece.
      Plus it’s eco credentials blow yon “green” Patrick Harvie geezer outta sight.

    60. Dan says:

      Aw noes, comment in held moderation which compounds concerns. πŸ™

    61. Andy Ellis says:


      Good to know WRT blocking undesirables! πŸ™‚

      I’ll give it a whirl and see how it goes: could be a useful resource for twitter exiles and Wingers exasperated with the Spameronians?

    62. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @William Wallace –

      Enjoyed that video. You’re a braver man than me, no way could I ever get into a small underground space like that. (Remember Charles Bronson in whatever film? That’d be me…)

      Anyway, hope you’ll consider joining

      It could come in very handy down the line.


    63. @Andy Ellis: That’s what I was thinking. I haven’t wanted to get involved in personal bitching in the comments on WOS as I think it’s unedifying and off-putting for all concerned when we’re at a crucial stage where there’s desperate need for focus and action on the matter in hand, but I’m as fed-up as anyone with scrolling past the avalanche of impenetrable, irrelevant comments and links to arcane academic papers. How many people have even heard of ‘epistemology’, let alone know what it means? The person concerned seems to have a complete lack of awareness of other people. It’s not even interaction, it’s just a continual one-way barrage. It’s unfortunate that there’s no way on WOS to block folk you’d prefer to ignore.

      If it looks like the LiveJournal idea could take off, I think it would be an idea for a specific pro-independence community to be set up on there as a focus for posts and comments. I could do that, but I’m not a member of any group or party and I only know as much as your average punter about what’s going on. I think it would be best if a keen blogger or someone with some insider knowledge were to set up a community. I don’t know if that applies to you or Ian or anyone you know?

    64. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Daisy Walker.

      I think your comment at around 15.10 is in moderation, because you mentioned ‘the prickly one’ with his username.

      Dan – maybe you did the same?

    65. Andy Ellis says:

      @Michael Laing

      I’ll have a ferret about and see; setting up specific “Communities” there looks like it might fit the bill, whether for Ian B’s proposed protest camp, or more general one for “indy fundies” dismayed at the lack of progress on #indyref2 and/or Plan B.

      At least having such “invitation only” groups prevents some of the negative issues you describe? I’m increasingly of the opinion that a new party is needed: I’m not convinced the ISP is really up to the job, but if (as I fear) the gradualists remain in control for the foreseeable future, the foundations have to be prepared first. I like the look and feel of the Republic party in the Faroe Islands.

      The positive aspect of LiveJournal is that it isn’t open to spammers or to high jacking and expulsions like twitter?

      Time will tell….

    66. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Andy & Michael –

      Well, it seems to be going fine so far!

      I suppose we’ll have to get a good few comments in one place before we all get used to how the ‘nesting’ format works, what notifications are like etc, but it’s certainly easy on the eye.

      Nice shout Michael Laing!

      Slainte all!


    67. @Andy Ellis: With regard to new parties and how we break the present log-jam, I’m not ruling anything out other than voting for the SNP for as long as the present leadership remains in place. I’ve been hoping that Alex Salmond will deliver the blow which will end the reign of Sturgeon and Murrell, and if that should happen it’s likely that I’ll rejoin and resume my support for the SNP. We do need concrete action now though, and if Sturgeon and Murrell can’t be shifted, then I think we need a new single-issue party standing for constituency as well as list seats.

      As for LiveJournal communities, I’ve been using LJ for many years and have set up several communities of my own, so if you need any help with the ‘nuts and bolts’ of that, I may be able to assist.

    68. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @William Wallace –

      Before I forget, your video reminded me of the camps/protests when the M77 was going through the back end of Pollok Estate – were you involved with that too?

    69. Dan says:

      @ BDtt

      No, I’m savvy of using the prickly desert plant word.
      The post appears now but still can’t see why it was held up.

      You’ve been quiet of late, hope all is good with you.
      With Dundee going to Tier 3 and also heard of a few wards in Ninewells being affected wi’ the bug, will that impact your work?

    70. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Dan.

      I’m back to work tomorrow. I don’t work near the wards so shouldn’t affect me.

      Don’t know what my duties will be. Meeting with ‘the management’ tomorrow at 9am. Should be well asleep by now for a 6.12am rise. My early to bed plan didn’t work out.

      Nighty night.

    71. William Wallace says:

      @IanB. Not as brave as those that spent winter in the treehouses. I spent a few nights on different sites in them and in high winds they gave you the fear. A friend of mine (Rob) fell out of the one you can see in that video (drunk obviously and did not use his harness). He spent a bit of time in hospital as a result.

      We were all basically functioning alcoholics in the tunnel team and we had a great laugh down there. We had a great bond with each other and a level of drunken madness bordering on downright insanity that kept us very much together. At no time was it ever scary even if it was a little claustrophobic.

      With regards to the M77 I wasn’t involved with that one but I think Andy (the guy in the chamber) may well have been. I did pass through some others from time to time too. (Newbury, Nine Ladies, Bilston Glen and Faslane etc). I was involved with several other direct actions too that I cannot go into too much detail about unless we are speaking person to person.

      We had also been putting on a lot of fairly large scale raves back then too but when my son was due (early 2005) I had to give everything up and focus on becoming a father. Although our crew kept them going for many years afterwards, I faded very much into the background and focused on working for my families business as well as establishing a business of my own to support my family.

      I still keep in touch with everyone from time to time and will occasionally go and DJ or live engineer an event for old times sake although I obviously don’t touch any substances these days or enjoy myself in quite the same way that I used to. πŸ˜‰ Life seems rather boring in contrast these days.

      With regards to the livejournal thing I have signed up and will drop you a message on there when I find my way about.

      I hope everyone from off-topic is keeping well and sane in the current circumstances and I wish you all the best of health.

    72. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @William Wallace –


      Great read, thanks. Look forward to finding you over there.

      I’m posting this to see if it’ll open the page I’m currently on i.e. Michael Laing’s latest. So this is a test of sorts…

    73. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Yeah, that worked fine.

      Good thing about it too is that you get e-mail notification of new stuff from friends, same as WOS.

    74. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B, Michael Laing & “others interested”

      I’ve created a “Scots Republic” Community on LiveJournal for like minded “fundies”: it’s not an open group, so we can exclude heid the ba’s and concentrate on matters at hand.

      I’m still a learner on there, so be patient, but no doubt others will be able to advise and contribute!

    75. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Andy Ellis –

      Still haven’t found it, searching the place…

      I see William Wallace has joined too.

    76. @Ian Brotherhood: I’ve posted a link to the community on your LJ post.

    77. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @ML –

      Got it, thanks.


    78. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B & ML

      Happy for folk to publicise and link to the Community on LiveJournal. At present joining is moderated, ie it is not an open group. I’m happy for others to share moderation going forward, but it’s probably worth screening who can join IMO?

    79. Cactus says:

      Evening, interim thought of Week 45:

      Treble twenty / Double top

      – At the imminent protest camp at Edinburgh’s Holyrood… to begin with, we all need to bring along a chair to make a full square. We need 100 CHAIRS to remain in place there, to be physically spaced outside our parliament building facing forwards or EVEN backwards now wow! (this will one day come to pass and be known and one day be also set in stone… hopefully facing forwards.)

      NB1 ~ Said seats for sitting on would work on a one-on one-off basis for any true Scot and if you can’t get a seat to sit on, just make sure you stand.

      NB2 ~ There’s gonna be fireworks tonight and regularly for everyone very soon.

      NB3 ~ Go America!

    80. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Andy –

      As and when word spreads and we start using it, it’s bound to happen – an undesirable will come in. It’s inevitable.

      FWIW, I reckon we take a leaf out of Rev Stu’s book and have whoever’s ‘room’ it is make those decisions. Otherwise we’re into committee-style stuff and there’s really no need for it. Not all exclusions/expulsions are ever agreed unanimously.

      Your room, your rules!


    81. @Ian Brotherhood: I agree with you. I’ll just add an extra wee morsel of info, which is that individual users on LJ can block other users whose posts they don’t want to see or with whom they don’t want to engage. It doesn’t necessarily require the moderator’s intervention.

    82. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B & Michael Laing

      If you build it, they will come…..? πŸ™‚

    83. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Andy Ellis —

      Good stuff.

      Word is getting out there.


    84. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Many moons since I posted any music link but this one seems very apt today.

      Gil Scott-Heron, ‘B’ Movie (1981)

    85. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B 5.53pm

      Good to hear. Hopefully we can get a few more folk joining in!

    86. Dan says:

      @ Ian B

      Interesting to see other notable folks discussing this subject.
      (Contains a midge reference making me feel guilty for squishing them!)

    87. Cactus says:

      Week 45:

      – Dearest Lordy-Lord, good evening, the results are in, Biden got the WIN. How will that work for Scotland now with ‘Celtic Joseph’ being in the American hotseat with all of em levers and all of that control. What’s yer craic Joe?

      – Trident, yeah lease it out per annum with increasing penalties (due to H&S issues etcetera ad infinitum.) Having that immediate injection of HARD CASH into an independent Scottish economy. Think about where that hard cash could be used to bring Scotland up to the at least the same standards as our European and international neighbours. Levers. Yes, we need levers. Only all levers will do. Like the Cairnstoon where Hamish is sitting with one lever next to John Bull on the aeroplane. Why have one lever when Scotland can have them all. Certain powers are something but true independence and direction can only come with the many levers of control. As part of Scotland leasing out our facilities to the English Government du jour, we would insist that as part of a negotiation, they would have to immediately begin the preparations and start building their own WofNMD base(s), in order to gain permission and approval from a forward-thinking and leverfully powerful ScotGov.

      – Have noticed when out and about the streets in Glasgow outside the city that everything’s so quiet. I imagine people would be tending to stay indoors but there’s not a sound coming out from the homes. In this living world we are still allowed to laugh, cry and try to have some kinda being, so keep playing your music, play it loud and especially at the weekends. Mark it.

      – Another observation is all of the rainbows and other political window posters appear to be coming down from peoples windows. Just normal looking windows with no statement now.

      – Yes, make a point of marking each weekend. Keep check on time, or each day will just intertwingle into the next.

      – Festive greetings y’all, less than 22 sleeps to go till Saint Andrew’s day. πŸ˜‰

      Next up… Week 46.

    88. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Andy –

      Like yer new avatar sah!

      Good to see you back on MT too.


      @Dan –

      Interesting stuff, thanks. Good to see another African proverb too – I posted one just t’other day, can’t remember where now… ‘Unity chops elephants!’


    89. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B

      Thanks bud: it may be an aberration just for a topic that’s of interest…probably not going to be a regular thing. Good to see a decent discussion without wading thru’ screeds of Spameron Brodies extraneous bilge tho! Long may it continue.

      I will probably concentrate more on LiveJournal going forward. Easier to screen out the roasters that way!

    90. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’d really like to enjoy human rights and the benefits of democracy before I pop my clogs. Unfortunately, that’s highly unlikely given the low-flying authoritarians who control ‘our’ government and ‘our’ judicial system. As they are clearly hostile towards liberal science, so are unable to support democracy and public health.

      Remember, covid-19 isn’t interested in genderwoowoo, as it threatens the sexes differently. So Scotland’s hard covid-Brexit will be all the nastier if we can’t force our legal officers to respect universal principles of legal doctrine. Such as the Natural law. Though the latter directly challenges Westminster’s unsubstantial claim to authority over Scots. So ‘our’ legal Establishment are unlikely to respect it, as they have pledged allegiance to the Crown in Parliament, rather than the Scottish public.

      DJ Cummerbund – Before I Pop

    91. Tinto Chiel says:

      I’ve been very impressed by Ruglonian’s recent posting of a WHOLE PEOM on the M/T (wot, no hammers?) and since I have always enjoyed this rendition of a song about kinky sex on a secluded island, I’m leaving it here for you soffisticates:

      To the pure in heart all things are pure, ya bass!

    92. Dan says:

      Aye, t’was indeed a bold and brave move to press the submit comment button with a text box so full of an amalgamation of letters forming verses of rhyme in dare I say a rhythmic structure.

      There’s nowt worse than sufferin’ “the clench of woe” as one of your comments gets caught in moderation and kennin’ the gaffer is gonna huv tae read it afore it ever sees the licht o’ day.

      Thankfully had the painful tooth nerves oot so huge relief not enduring toothache any more.

      Lumwatch update while I’m here. Rain finally eased and braw mild temps so installed the wooden mould on the lum brickwork and mixed up a muckle load of concrete.
      Then proceeded to carry a ream o’ buckets o’ it up the ladder and fill the mould. Added pigment to dye the finished colour to better match the existing stonework. Think I should have added more though as it could’ve done with being darker than the chocolate Angel Delight shade it looks to have ended up with.
      Just hoping the mould section release ok in the next day or so without damaging the cast lump…

    93. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Dan: glad your dental affliction is no more, although I have to warn you that after a similar procedure I got a cyst, which was excruciating, and I lost the whole tooth. You’re welcome!

      Lumwatch, is it? How about the original, full of cheapo special effects, casual sexism, preposterous storylines and the old professor character who always said, “You baaaaaaaaaaaastard!” whenever he got annoyed:

    94. JGedd says:

      @Tinto 10th November 6.47pm

      I see what you mean about those naughty lyrics. How like men to have taken the pet name of a dear little furry thing, make it indelicate & turn innocent children into potty-mouths. Tut, tut, lads.

      Reminds me of trying to keep a straight face when our sons were watching children’s TV. Does anyone remember the series ‘Rainbow’? The double entendres were on the same level as a Carry On film. I have to say, it made me uncomfortable that adults were kind of subverting a children’s TV programme & having a giggle over the heads of the children.

    95. Tinto Chiel says:

      @JGedd: I was referring originally to the steamy inter-species animal husbandry but I hear wot you mean, me old haricot. Hope you are simply gliding along on your pins now.

      I still think the best Carry On joke was an entirely clean one:
      “Infamy! Infamy! They’ve all got in in for me!”

      Rainbow? I’m old enough to remember Rubovia and it was pure as the driven snow. I still have a soft spot for this one, though:

    96. Cactus says:

      Wiki-Wiki Wednesday night lovers…

      An off topical interim interdictation as follows:

      The only thing to do, was to drive up to “Observatory Crest”.

      Follow the moonbeams whilst you’re wearing your blue jeans.


    97. Cactus says:

      Whatever happened to our known and natural freedoms, to the love of and for Scotland? Scotland remains.

      Will NS make a speech within the early hours of ’21? (if she’s still there.).

      Aye aye Captain C, yer on the money.

      Cheers Rev.

    98. Tinto Chiel says:

      Fraternal greetings, C-Man.

      Whenever I get cheesed off by the slurry pit that is Scottish politics, I find this just about restores my faith in humanity:

    99. JGedd says:


      That’s just – wonderful. I’ve watched it several times already. Oh to be that age again & feel such unalloyed delight.

      Thanks for that. I was feeling pretty grumpy today.

      This music always seems to capture that same innocent joy & wonder – for me, anyway.

      (Thanks for reminding me of Parsley the Lion. I’d forgotten ‘The Herbs’.)

    100. Tinto Chiel says:

      @JGedd: thanks for your comments and lovely music. That wee girl is about a year older than our wee grand-daughter but looks quite like her and the wee Tennessee girl is quite delightful.

      No-one could be grumpier than me at the moment, me old haricot, because our movement has been subverted by various Judas goats but I’ll keep going for the wee ones, despite all we’re up against.

      Fighting a battle on two fronts isn’t recommended but what else can we do?

      See you at Philippi.

      Parsley, ya bass!

    101. Tinto Chiel says:

      In view of last night’s events in Belgrade:

    102. JGedd says:


      Wow, that is mesmerising & beautiful. Scandinavian choirs are something else. Transcendent religious music like that almost makes you believe.

      Thanks for that, & thanks Scotland – at last.

    103. Tinto Chiel says:

      @JGedd: as A____n would say, you might also like this of the same name by Poulenc:

      I got a freebie Christmas CD 20 years ago with a music mag that had about twenty pieces of music from mediaeval to modern on it and I usually put it on in December if I feel I’m coming down with Scroogeitis or Grinchosis. Both the Lauridsen and Poulenc were on it, along with Britten’s “There is no rose” and the traditional Coventry Carol. The very old Spanish “Riu, Riu Chiu” was also very good.

      Lovely cold weather today Where I Am so maybe Dan has been mounting his chimney again and repointing it in suitable colours.

    104. JGedd says:


      Funny how familyChristmas traditions start isn’t it? I don’t know how this one came about in our household; we would listen to this music after frenzied present wrapping while the kids were supposed to be in bed. ( The middle one, the livewire who wouldn’t sleep, would constantly sneak down the stairs & his dad would have to hold the door shut while I frantically tried to hide the presents.)

      We were given a CD of Vejvanovsky by a Czech friend on one of our visits & now I can’t hear this without seeing Christmas lights in a darkened room & smell the fumes of mulled wine while we relaxed after the fraught present wrapping. It will always mean Christmas Eve to me. (Perhaps we should have given our restless child some of the mulled wine?)

    105. Tinto Chiel says:

      @JG: I confess I had to look Vejvanovsky up but the sound of the natural trumpet is great. His music sounds very stately, like Hummel and Charpentier and I can see why it suits a Christmas atmosphere. God knows how they played those valveless things: they must have got some bad headaches.

      I’d like to go back to the Czech Republic: I thought Prague was very atmospheric, even when there in October for just a few days, and I’m sure in December it will be very snowy and pictureskew, as Granny used to say. But those days are probably gone now and in the past they will probably remain, he Corried.

      Yes, forgot to agree that Lauridsen choir was very special. I have no faith myself but some music does reach the parts other things don’t, like peotry wot The Rev hates.

    106. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Just a quick one for Andy and Michael and WW –

      The lack of correspondence on the LiveJournal should not be viewed as a negative.

      We’ve put the pieces in place for dialogue as and when required – if this place suddenly ‘vanishes’ for no obvious reason, we have somewhere else to regroup.

      Hoots all.


    107. Tinto Chiel says:

      For all those who are utterly pissed off just now, I give you this to show you things could be a lot worse:

      It’s a bit like an Existential Rising Damp esipode.

    108. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B

      No worries: agreed, I think the LiveJournal thing is a back up. I haven’t had much time to devote to it recently, but I think its time will come. Like you, I see it more as a resource for like minded folk from here and elsewhere to come together and discuss things and organise when and where required.

      I don’t think twitter, FB or WoS BTL comments can provide that, particularly for those who have abandoned them or been turfed out. Time will tell: in lieu of any real movement or action after Holyrood 2021, I suspect more will be required.

      In the meantime, put your trust in the Scots people, but keep your metaphorical powder dry! πŸ™‚

    109. Cactus says:

      Week Single 14 / Double 16:

      – Aye, the highlight of the week of course being Team Scotland securing a victory through to football’s European Games, planned for sometime next year we understand and hope. Space was cleverly made available, our scorer then eyed up their corner post, made his quick turn, chose his spot and delivered through. Decisive. The challengers goalie looked static and was too slow to get down to it. Classic goal. The challengers returned for a well placed and unmarked lob to equalising goal in the closing seconds. Thereafter followed nine excellently performed penalties and one ultimate save by Scotland to WIN.

      – All we need now to complete 2020 is an extreme weather event.

      – Aweright Tinto Chiel, yeah that was a funny video of the young lassie’s reaction on seeing the train approach. It’s pretty much the way I still react too – although I also jump up and down – whenever I see an aeroplane, boat or spaceship (K & K Johnson visit regularly.) It’s all in the living see, hope yer going groovy dude. πŸ™‚

      – There be some other midnightish musings I came up with somewhere out there in the political wilderness this week, if of any interest to ye and you can find em. Keep yer spirits high and topped up before the inevitable levee breaks.

      – Jesus, Christmas is coming… but no before Saint Andrew does first.

      High fives and knuckle knocks to all in the house.

    110. Tinto Chiel says:

      “It’s all in the living see, hope yer going groovy dude. ?”

      Absolument, C-Man. That wee girl gladdens the heart.

      K&K Johnson: talcum powder?

      Please continue with your bulletins from afar and hope to meet you in a vernal interface situation, C____d permitting in the NY.

    111. I have made a couple of ‘Independence NOW!’ images which I thought would make excellent user-icons for commenters on WOS and other social-networking sites. They are here: and here:

      If anybody can tell me how I can apply a user-icon to my own comments on WOS, that would be much appreciated!

    112. Tinto Chiel says:

      @ML: you can do it this way

      I managed it so it must be easy. You could use either of those images as your (g)ravatar if you wanted.

    113. @ Tinto Chiel: Thanks for your help. I’ve got it, as you can see!

    114. Tinto Chiel says:

      Excellent! Looks great.

    115. Ian Brotherhood says:

      I said I would ‘eat my hat’ if Scotland got through to the Euro ‘finals’. So, this is a way of doing it virtually I suppose!

      Plus, it communicates more positivity than my grimacing coupon.



    116. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Ian B:

      You could double or quits with, “I’ll eat my hat if Johnson gives us a Section 30.”


    117. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      If Johnson gives us an S30 I’ll eat my thermals.

    118. Tinto Chiel says:

      @ Ian B: “You’ve taken that too far…..” πŸ™‚ .

    119. Cactus says:

      Jesus jings, where do we go from here?

      It’s not even 10 oh clock!

      Sunday comes…

    120. Jill Sharpe says:

      Just testing if this works

    121. Jill Sharpe says:


    122. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Jill Sharpe –

      Yes, it works.


    123. Cactus says:

      “Let’s make this the best Christmas ever!”

      Ah ha ha, haha ha ha he ha.

      Cue adverts.

    124. Cactus says:

      Outer Bull / Double 11:

      – ‘Waiting for independence’. Maybe that could be used as a clever and hard hitting idea for a time-lapse video-shocker montage collage. A person stands holding and flying a Yes flag with a big smile upon their face. A familiar background is used to familiarise the viewers. The date is the 18th of September 2014. This is the first picture frame taken. Frame 2 is of the same person, Yes flag, background but ONE YEAR LATER. Continue this pattern on through the years of this 21st century up to Year 20XX, then begin to change and transition the appearance of the person, the Yes flag and the background with how things will have changed.

      Example: The person could be a 16 year old Scottish citizen, who voted for their first ever time and they voted Yes. The following years, the Yes flag remains, as their smile continues to transition and change. The background begins to deteriorate, with fires, buildings knocked down and ukunion flags & bunting everywhere. The candidate would now be 22 years old as of this year (they could even be standing in Freedom Square for Frame 6, with their Yes flag and a face covering on.) Smile for the camera sure – A ‘Sliding Doors’ type alternative scenario could also play out along side it too – Maybe Cairnstoon or somebody else with excellent graphical skills would like a shot at it. Hey Phantom Power. Howsabout a 10 page flick-book for starters. What do and did you envisage for Scotland four years from now and ten years from ’14?

      – I remember back to when we were all protesting outside at Plantation Quay in Glasgow, (at the bee-bee-zzzzz) suggesting why don’t we get ‘saltire marked’ sticky-tape made, to put over our mouths to indicate that the BBC were gagging the many voices of Scotland… strange how that has came to be now, with visual designs of the many excellent saltire-print face coverings, or masks if you will please. Now available and in store, thank you.

      – Glasgow, Edinburgh and other areas are now tierfully categorised and labelled as “Level 4” for at least a further 3-weeks (till 11/12/20) from Friday past. If we’re wanting and planning to have a rally camp based presence at Holyrood, we really need to be there throughout the remaindeer of December (that is if the ‘levels’ permit!)

      – SO this upping to current Level 4 status for many of us means, that like happened back on the 6th April 2020 (700th DOA anniversary), once again we are unable to publicly mark our Saint Andrew’s Day this year. Anyone got plans to celebrate our national day? I may take a journey to ‘Saint Andrew’s Bridge’ – which spans over the River Clyde upon Glasgow Green – to fly my saltire. This bridge has history.

      – The 24th of March is a date that should also be noted. Specifically 2016. Come next year, that would have been the five year marker.

      – Afternoon Tinto Chiel, Yes, our very distant cousins Kang & Kodos Johnson from beyond and from America’s original tv family cartoon. That pm Johnson could do with some TP powdered over his stench, then wrapped up and flushed away by using the other type of TP. Credits to Beavis and Butt-head. Yeah, roll on to the New Year of ’21 for our reacquaintances. There will be an outpouring of many emotions at midnight upon The Bells, when Auld Lang Syne is sung in echoing chorus across The World.

    125. Tinto Chiel says:

      @C-Man: glad you’re now branching out into film directing. Some great ideas there for Citizen MacCain.

      These lockdowns do come in handy for stifling debate/resistance, though, whether it’s Boris and Brexit and WM’s handling of Covid or the many worries folk here have over GRA, the Hate Crime Bill and the conduct of our quest for independence.

      Maybe the film I really have in mind is The Great Dictator?

    126. Tinto Chiel says:

      Compare and contrast, groovers:

      My Lagan Love – Mary Black – Phil Coulter – YouTube

      The Quiet Joys of Brotherhood – Sandy Denny – YouTube

    127. Tinto Chiel says:

      That went well….NOT.

      Damn Word documents and all their works.

      Can’t be bothered now.

    128. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –


      ‘Can’t Be Bothered Now’ could/should be SNP slogan for the upcoming conference.

      A veritable blues song title if ever there was one…


    129. Dramfineday says:

      How’s Paula Rose, Ronnie Anderson and the gang getting on these days? Hope they are keeping well. Cheers from Dram

    130. Cactus says:

      Double 16 / Double 8:

      – Seasons greetings, the idea of getting people stimulated and motivated (to consider voting Yes) has now also been successfully accomplished by both the UK and present led Scottish Government. Take a bow and make another vow. Yous have now got the People of Scotland angry and more politically engaged than ever before and we will find a way to protect our sovereign beings… and this is all down to your own doings… or non-doings.

      – If 2014 was an actual 45% vote for Yes and current polling is running at around and inbetween 53 to 58 percent for Yes, that’s a big big big swing to normality. Then you add in the six years of new eligible first time voters, add in current ‘dont knows’ (who you would think would vote more for Yes than no when the time comes) add also previous non-voters who recognise that they must now vote and vote Yes to retain and restore control of their country Scotland, TO Scotland. Of course, it might not even come down to an initial vote if certain treaties and international law have anything to do with it and the precedent is challenged by persons willing and able.

      – We occasionally hear mentioned on the news wee hints from various EU representatives saying there would be no reason why Scotland couldn’t quickly rejoin the EU as a member, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard any of them ponder and pose the question, post 31/01/20, “Why hasn’t the Scottish Government given their people the choice and option of an independence referendum to settle the UK’s constitutional crisis?” Maybe they know something we don’t know, but then we probably already do.

      – The country and Kingdom of Scotland has always been under represented in seat numbers in the House of Commons. As there are about 650 seats in Westminster – and only the Kingdom of Scotland forms this union of the UK with the kingdom of England. Half of these seats should be in the name of Scotland and the other half should be shared between England, Wales and Northern Ireland. But then that would be a democratic arrangement. 325 Scottish seats to the left of ye, 325 rUK seats to the right, here we are stuck in the middle with EU.

      – It can be good to condense.

      – Convenient how an actual English Parliament/Government does not exist in any physical and independent form. Or if it were, would that be named… the ‘English Executive’, building?

      – Congrats and thanks for nine awesome years. Indeed, was eagerly expecting and pleased to see Wings has had almost 900,000 visitations in October alone this year. Makes you wonder which will come first next… 1,000,000 reader visitations or 1,000,000 reader comments – Note – reader comments currently rocking up at 977,2xx contributions. It’s the final straight and into the last quarter. X is a round number, of years.

      – Instead of LGB(T), it should revert to the already written original…
      LGBG – “Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls”.

      – Evening Tinto Chiel, fellow Level 4ourian. How’s life on the outside with ye all? I’m mostly in and if I’m not in I’m probably out, and yes you’re right, many dictators from many countries of history but ye wouldnae of thought it could of happened to Scotland and a devolved Scottish Parliament. Imagine that the positions were switched, where NS was FM for indyref1 and Scotland’s Alex Salmond is First Minister of Scotland the now… Scotland would already be an independent European country once again, sharing in the current situation of this present ‘pandemic’ with the rest of The World. Hey, have a great day!

    131. ronnie anderson says:

      Dramfineday Um still hinging in there um to stubborn tae dey otherwise . Hope your in good spirits .

    132. ronnie anderson says:

      Hi hi Cactus long time ra Toon wanderer lol

    133. Masslass says:

      Hi I’m trying to Donate to Stuart’s Bank Acct using the routing Number and acct. Number he has posted.

      Seems I still need an email address. Trying to avoid using Paypal.

      Could someone advise Thank you

    134. Daisy Walker says:

      I’m busy tomorrow (1/12/20) but the following day Wed 2/12/20 I was thinking of taking a reccie to Holyrood regarding how and where, and in what way some form of peaceful protest, presence could be set up.

      I’ll be leaving from Perth – sometime civilised – in the morning. And I can provide a lift to 2 medium sized adults.

      Would anyone like to join me? As I say this day would be a reccie only, and a chance to plan.

      My feeling is – ‘if we build it, they will come’….

      One good thing about Covid, is – with the 2 meter spacing – every protester takes up a lot more room;)

      Equipment wise, I have one of those large Fishing brollies, and some foldable chairs, and a flask (for coffee).

      I have a disused Postie wheelie hand held trailer that would be ideal for a portable Billboard (one each side). (needs a bit of work to get it up and running). It is also collapsable so is easy to get in a car.

      Another gut feeling is, if this is going to take off in any way, meetings will need to be held, and they might as well be held on site, so to speak as a way of maximising efforts. It also becomes a Hub for all to visit.

      Any thoughts.

    135. Dramfineday says:

      Hello Ronnie, saw your post today, good man. Can’t say I’m in the best of spirits Ronnie so much shit going on in the snp that it’s driving me bonkers with grief at the wasted opportunities.

      Keep well and if you still meet the other guys give them my regards

    136. Daisy Walker says:

      Hello Dramfineday,

      I was ill this last few months, and felt very much as you describe just now. Know exactly where your coming from.

      Physically I’m getting a bit better, which always helps, and so 2 things I promised myself back in 2014.

      I would do all that I could, as best I could, and leave nothing on the shelf. If it worked, fine, and if not I could hold my head up high.

      And some advice I once read – if you think there’s just one more mile to go, tell yourself its 5, that way you won’t get caught out.

      We’ve got 10 more miles to go man. Heads up. As best you can, in the kindest way you can. And the fact that you care so very much means a lot. Never under value that.

      Best wishes. Aye.

    137. ronnie anderson says:

      Masslass you can pay direct with credit card to his account or Bacs transfer

    138. Masslass says:

      Thanks Ronnie, not sure what Bacs is ? Trying to avoid Paypal. I looked at the Donate site where the bank account number and routing number is, and it looked like the paypal site.

      I’ll check it out, Im in the USA so want to get it right.

      Thanks again Ronnie

    139. Dan says:

      @ masslass

      “Donate” is slap bang at the top middle of most Wings pages.
      Scroll down a bit and you’ll see sort code and account number.

    140. Cactus says:

      Aweright ronnie anderson, hope yer doing good dude, I still wander about the toon most days. All missions mindstored for retrospective-reporting.

      Hey Daisy Walker, Yes, count me in for tomorrow at Holyrood, I’ll see if I can bring along some song and fellow folk with me. Will aim to be there for lunchtime between 12pm and 1pm. (Update: X2 more guests confirmed for tomorrow’s road-trip and counting…).

      In light of last night’s positive vote result, maybe it will motivate and inspire others to join us. There’s got to be some local people in Edinburgh like… bring a chair with ye.

    141. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Daisy/C****S –

      Great to hear the rustling of restless natives.

      Mind how ye’s go there!


      PS Might be an idea to find out where that previous long-term camp was sited – remember the wee intrepid band who believed Jesus was coming back to become FM or something? I know they got hoofed eventually but they were there a fair while.

    142. Masslass says:

      Thanks Dan, Yes Got it Just trying to avoid Paypal taking a cut by donating directly. Thanks

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