Accentuating the negative
Posted on
September 21, 2019 by
Chris Cairns
(Editor’s note: as a result of this cartoon, Mr Cairns has been sent on mandatory administrative leave of absence to let’s call it a “health spa” for the next two weeks. While he’s receiving let’s call it “therapy”, fill the gap by purchasing the latest volume of his works, which is guaranteed not to contain this one, we can only hope and pray.)
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He’s still a genius, enjoy your break Chris you’ll need it for what’s to come
Hallowe’en early this year then!
Oh good grief Chris, that should come with a health warning. It would frighten the beejaysus out of you at this time of the morning.
Well done sir, spot on, what a truly horrible person she is, neither liberal or democrat.
I feel Mr Cairns caught the lady rather well in that one.
I did nt even need to see the caption but it has her in a tee. Mss Swinson should just go full republican and join the Tory party.
Maybe both parties will merge into one Eton Mess anyway.
Chris has captured those teeth better than her dentist could.
. Nashers of Democracy Badgers and supported of the Fascists!
Well done Chris
Got her to a tee in one graphic.
Captured her sincerity perfectly.
So Chris has been prorogued has he? Not surprised after this last effort!!!!! Scary wummin!
Scary graphic Chris.
You could use this one for fleggin’ bairns.
Crikey! Chris will need a a long lie down after this forensic portrayal of Soldier Swinson and her Liberal-to-a-degree mantra.
Great cartoon – confidence oozes and just like Ruthie no substance, just a lust for power and hatred of Independence for Scotland. How long do we give her before she too bites the dust?
Sometimes the truth hurts. How long before the defectors elbowing their way into the front row at conference abandon and crawl back to their respective political homes?
brilliant caricature of a nasty piece of work.
She has always given me the dried beak. The voice and those gnashers and gums,which I know she cant help but doesn’t make me any less forgiving. As for her politics , shes a far right conservative bordering on fascist and a total fruit bat to boot. Oh by the way Chris, love the toon.
Ahhh… Chris Cairns, you have completely nailed the utter charlatan, Tory-in-disguise, called Jo Swinson. An image to scare the kids.
I expect she is about to do EXACTLY what Nick Clegg did, and sell out the Liberal democrats, for a ministerial mondeo. I have no idea why libdem members keep on electing such utter frauds as their leader.
Just as it was all about Nick Clegg’s career, so too it seems to be with Jo Swinson. Yet another poor quality careerist greasy pole climber, who hasn’t the talent to succeed in the larger parties, literally using Libdems for her personal career gain.
I hate tories, and I hate Labour, but I truly despise these charlatan careerists they just keep on electing to lead the Libdems.
I’m going back to sleep to try to erase that ghastly image from my brain. I hope Chris’ therapy works. I never wish to see an abomination like this again.
P.S. Enjoy your holiday Chris. 🙂
Quintessential Swinson.
The genius of Chris Cairns.
Been trying for months to find an accurate description of Jo Swinson. Now I don’t need to.
Pressed the enlarge click in error.
Big mistake.
Cartoonist captures voice/accent perfectly, that does not happen often.
😀 Make sure you read it in a strange modulating accent.
Complaint
My dogs whined on sight of this individual.
Public Health Warning required.
Ot
Radio Scotchland. As the tories pursue an all Ireland agricultural and piscine zone I take it that this will place our farmers and fishermen here in Scotland at a huge disadvantage. The north still effectively in the EU , Scotland out on its ears with England.
England will control the pelagic fleet which will suit the rich tories in the NE of Scotland. The rest can go and get lost.
Scotland voted to remain in the EU and our rights should be respected.
Gie scary cartoon o a scary Quine.
Fresh from her pact with the Devil, Jo Swinson goes to work in never telling the electorate the truth ever again.
The Ruling Class gets a new member.
Tory Jo Swinson – has a certain ease off the tongue.
She does pronounce it vowt. No one else in the Anglophone world does that.
The Four Riders of the Apocalypse have found an apprentice..
She’ll soon ruin their reputation. 🙁
In the name o’ the wee man!
Enjoy your “treatment” Chris, you need it. (So do we).
Looking forward to receiving your new book. Please don’t put this one in it.
Obviously since Ruth the Mooth has shuffled off this political coil and nature abhors a vacuum so step forward the new Mooth Jo.
BTW nice rendering of her amazing shifting accent there Chris.
I’ve never been able to listen to her for long enough to get a sense of her accent. No wonder CC needs therapy.
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Miss Trunchbull has been on poor scrumpy jack again
(ooh ar ooh ar)
This fine looking woman just cannot wait to get her hands on your….land
And live better, together in plastic harmony
(ooh ar ooh ar)
Cause you’ve got an special dialect, that she just he wants to harvest ….em….let’s start a band
(ooh ar ooh ar)
Well you have to realise the LibDums have been in the teeth of a dilemma for decades but the thing is that past actions often come back to bite you.
That’s a belter:
Note: mind an put on your sunscreen Chris.
Cruel. Accurate, but cruel.
Swithering, slabbering Swinson to a tee.
Why does this particular image remind me of the front of a jumbo jet ?
From Rev’s Twitter…
The English cringelish.
Jeremy Vine reckons we’re the Second Elizabethans, then whines on in grovelling appeal to her Maj, about the country being hung drawn and quartered.
“Tell us what to do!”
Well, for a start, maybe go and read a fkn history book Mr Vine, you ignorant creep of a peasant.
Nice toon yet again Mr Cairns. There are would-be cartoonists up and down the country hanging up their sharpies because they know they’ll never be that good.
Excellent. If Spitting Images was still running (and I do wish it was) I’m sure she would appeared just like that!
A nasty politician with a nasty record to prove it.
The hypocrisy of how she, and so many other BritNats, can profess to be democrats but only when it suits them has become sickening. The question of Scots deciding our own future has ripped away the veneer of democracy from so many as they try to undermine the democratic process.
Clearly there are some on the YES side who doubt we can win IndyRef2. They should look to the BritNats who have little doubt about the outcome should a vote be held. Their main tactic is to prevent a vote occurring.
I am amazed she had time to sit for that portrait with all the time she spends on tv and visiting her constituency.
Lets see now…
Right click mouse..
Save image as…
Pictures..
Then control P…
Number on sheet 2…
Number of copies 10…
Print…
Tssssst (machine whirring) x 10..
Scissors and cut sheets in half….
Right then that´s me got my xmas cards sorted for this year.
Yes I know, i´m a BAAAAAAAAAAD man!!!!
Rounded vowel-sounds an aw! She bound to get a start reading the Scottish News at Pacific Quay when she loses her majority.
That cartoon is genuinely scary.
Argh! That’s pure boak inducing.
Between this cartoon image and the J. Vine vid mentioned by Breeks @ 9.20am…I don’t recall ever being more motivated to switch off the laptop and go and spend the day mixing concrete instead.
link to twitter.com
Nurse, the screens! Quickly. No not for Cairns, he’s to far gone, its for me. Argh take that image away.
I’m no particular fan of Swinson but not entirely comfortable with that ‘toon either. Bit nasty.
You’re really not all that fond of her, are you Chris?
I need therapy after clicking on the photo. It is good caricature though.
That’s definitely a keeper , got her and her put on accent , whatever it is , to a tee .
BBC news talking to the presenter of Money Box about
The disaster that is England’s Student Loans system.
He laughs when saying that Scotland has a much better system
and acknowledges he shouldn’t be saying that on this show.
P45 will be on its way to him.
Reading someone’s Daily Hail Fascist special to check on
Latest propaganda. Had to put it down half way it’s so jam packed with lies and
Distortions. I went from laughing to outrage in 2 pages.
Horrible nasty people pretending to be journalists.
HOLY BAJEESUS!!! Wot a start I got there I think I’ve done a woopsy. And here’s me used to comment on the Multi Accented Gremlins form. Never again.
Never.
Nice one Chris, Swinson is a vile creature, enjoy your rest at the asylum, oops, I meant health spa.
All I can say is that is SCARY and to think it wants to be PM.
There goes my effing breakfast.
Jeez, that was a wake up call this morning.
Accurately captures the evil that lies within.
“A very liberal interpretation of being a democrat.”
More and more Britnats are being revealed not to be democrats at all. Who would have thought it? Lots of people actually.
Brutal, Chris – but spot on! I can see why there was an apology yesterday for the ‘toon today! LOL 🙂
Yikes! 😯
Also. Yep. That about sums up Ms Swooaahnson’s position on… everything.
Chris, absolute genius “toon” yet again. Didn’t realise you did actual portraits. Nice One.
Awesome rapier sharp depiction of the true dark side of NoJo Swinson.
She,like all Lib Dems come across all sweetness and light like Mormons or JWs.
In truth they will stamp on anyone’s neck for their worship of the ‘great’ british state.
Like most yoons really.
The low information gullible don’t see this and the hypocrites choose not to see it.
On the whole, I usually prefer pondering the big “policies” that Ms Swinson usually presents up front and centre.
Admit it, Cairns.
You’ve been reading the Daily Express!
“Every time Lib Dem leader, Jo Swinson, opens her screechy mouth I get an overwhelming urge to run headlong into a wall ”
link to archive.is
Classic playing the woman not the ball here today.
The Lib Dem positioning is a real clear message. They never were going to get die hard Brexiteers or independence supporters, but if you against either or both propositions, you have a natural home. This can appear attractive to centralist tories, non nutter labour supporters and those SNP voters who do not want an immediate referendum.
Government is paralysed at devolved and national level in uk, no positive legislation is passing as independence and brexit efforts dominate the narrative and thinking. I think an option to move beyond this could be attractive on the doorstep.
A monstrous, if accurate, depiction.
The newly hatched Swinsonites are on a slow and painful journey of learning about this yellow Tory.
Fun to watch, but you want to say, just fast forward to your inevitable disillusion, folks.
Really scary.
Also really scary at mike cassidy @ 12:22. Tried to follow link to link to archive.is. Tried six times, all failed, yet when tried via https://fastusaproxy.com AND https://nl.hideproxy.me, instant access for both. Afterwards tried link to archive.is again. Again, failed. I’ve no problem with any other website and indeed have accessed archive.is before OK.
Is it just me or is anyone else having this problem?
If this isn’t a configuration problem, then the implications are truly stomach churning – that we are indeed living in a police state.
Yowser!
Get aff the effin block
Neatly put – you support the lib demons.
Of course the liberals never mention Brexit or Scottish Independence!
Not once?
Read your post again then apologise for your guff.
Mods and rockers are apparently fighting running battles on the promenade and beach at Brighton!
Oh wait……not mods and rockers….it’s Corbynites and Blairites.
@Bittie45
It might be your internet service/ mobile phone provider.
Had the same problem last year whilst trying to access archive.is. O2 had blocked the site as having adult content, l made the point that it was an archive not a porn site. Had to get them to remove the adult restriction from my account to allow me access.
A nightmare of a cartoon.
This is mild compared to George Cruickshank et al.
Brilliant work.
Alex Cole-Hamilton’s middle name is Geoffrey.
Gfaetheblock. Hmmmm.
Bittie45
No problem with that link on my laptop.
Vodafone age-restriction kicks in on my mobile.
Maybe Vodafone feels the combination of Swinson and the Express is asking too much of under 18s!
Overheard some Liberal Democrat guy with that irritatingly camp Glenalmondish Scottish accent, ‘liberal’ by whose criteria by the way, protest that his party was no place for those with ‘issues’ over same sex unions. They needed to go away get reeducated, fascist biggots etc.
The following puts LibDemery in its true existential, comedic context.
link to unherd.com
By all the gods, may the SNP never be struck by this contagion.
Gfaetheblock @ 12:41
You have a point there. It can’t be great seeing your leaderene caricatured like this. But it’s the hypocritical policies that are really ugly.
The Liberal Party (as was) did once have a clear policy – it was called “Home Rule”. More recently there was going to be some great initiative by Ming Campbell, but somehow that sunk into the sands of St.Andrews without trace and was replaced by a kind of silent NI-style “never!”. Swansong, this puny MBA-clone inheritor of Grimond’s legacy dares to tell the SNP and the wider independence movement, with its vastly greater support, what she supposes they may not do.
What arrogance, what presumption.
You have to be big, both in support and generosity of spirit, before you can talk big. I know someone who is, and she isn’t Swansong.
OT (sort of)
For those who like the numbers.
All Thursday’s by elections.
link to markpack.org.uk
(wouldn’t archive)
Superb caricature Chris ??????
Superb caricature Chris ??????
You know something?
Last time I got an abrupt start like that ‘toon was when the alien sprang from Ripley’s innards in the Alien film series. Now I’m not saying I compare you LibDem leader to an alien … … Oh! I don’t know though!
So good a series of her very own is called for CC.
Call it The Spads Progress?
From Indyref1 non-entity attack dog, to delusions of competence & grandeur.
My eyes! My eyes! Someone please put out my eyes!
This is spot on and just sums her up nicely , We are working bloody hard here in her constituency to get rid of her and it would be great if we can get an Snp Mp in here again . Chris , Enjoy your holiday .
Sad thing is the bbc and the msm will not air the hypocrisy
Checked into Live Stream today to get a sense of what was happening on the Scottish Left. Found them Alive and Kicking!
And stayed the whole day. What a great day it was, the musicians were all a great turn,Yes Bikers – our real Scots Knights of the Realm….did us proud. Tommy – reminding us all what a loss he is not being in the Scottish Parliament and great messages of solidarity from Chris McEleny (reminding me what a pity he wasn’t elected as depute leader -and Angus B MacNeil no disrespect to Keith Brown – but I always thought his strongest contribution to the cause was his ability to create a bridge between snp and Yes.
I want Tommy Sheridan MP to be in Westminster and speaking his mind on behalf of us all! Let Tommy hold the sovereignty of the people of scotland and exercise it in Westminster.. I trust him with it.
As a normal lurker on the site I can’t understand why there is such support to stop Brexit given that it is the main example given for a second referendum. Why would people want to stop Brexit when that will mean No Indy referendum.
Web site that shows an MP`s voting record,
here are a couple from Joe Swindon`s record,
`Voted a mixture of for and against transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly,
4 votes for, 4 votes against, 15 absences, between 2017–2018
Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament,
5 votes for, 13 votes against, 9 absences, between 2011–2018`
link to tinyurl.com
John from Fife @ 9.32
We can’t just sit back and wave Brexit through!
Neither can our representatives as we voted against it.
But mainly……..
Because we can’t stop it…
No democracy for us Scots exists within the Union and we are showing to the whole of Scotland what we said in 2014 was true…
John from fife 9.32pm. I often ask myself the same Question.
John from Fife at 9.32
It is not the only reason for a second referendum.The statement about the “material change of circumstance” also referenced indication that a majority of Scots supported independence. The statement only said “such as ” and in no way precluded any other reason.
A substantial majority of Scots voted to stay in the EU. The SNP Scottish Government is honouring that vote by trying to keep us in the EU and is increasing support for the SNP and independence as it does so.
I am surprised bythe number of folk that don’t appear to understand that doing the right things is politically very significant in the longer term.
Those who want us to figuratively shoot our feet off in dishonest political manouvering reminds me of some in the Labour Party in Lanarkshire in the 70s who thought that the Tories closing the steel industry would give Labour Lanarkshire for ever so they made no real effort to stop a disaster.
Those who actually want a Brexit disaster for Scotland are guilty of the same lazy thinking.
After 12 odd hours of reflection….
Is the ‘yes’ movement a breath of fresh air pulling in support by accentuating the positives?
Or a nasty, spiteful name calling clique who writhe in ecstasy when presented with a grotesque caricature of their political opponent.
Chris Cairns has produced some terrific cartoons but this isn’t one of them. It’s an unpleasant personal attack and appears to have brought out the worst in a good number of people.
Is this all we have now?
Saturday night. Time for some music and wee message to the SNP about dissolving the Union:
link to youtube.com
John from Fife says:
The 2016 mandate only gave Brexit as an example of the type of change which would justify an IndyRef2. A Hell of a lot more has changed over recent years. WM has totally cast aside any respect for Scotland’s democratic wishes. They have shown their so call Union to certainly not be any sort of partnership. Scotland is now being treated as a colonial possession of England. We are being given zero say on reserved matters.
IMO there’s a good case for IndyRef2 driven by the changed relationship of which pushing through Brexit is just one piece.
If Brexit stopped, would WM’s attitudes to Scotland improve? I doubt it.
Ah Labour, the party that was gonnae smash the rotten Empire and liberate the people but, settled for running it instead.
A bit like the …
Thatcher’s caricature in Spitting Images …
… portraying nasty people in a nasty fashion is to my mind completely appropriate.
Tommy Sheridan and his brother in law let folk down
End of.
@essexexile: 9.59
There is a long and proud tradition of lampooning political figures with sometimes grotesque images.
Jo Swinson has put herself up there with her hypocrisy. She cannot complain if folk rattle her cage
If you fly wi’ the craws, you get shot wi’ the craws.
Jo Swindon is the ugly face of the new all sparkly British Unionist party in Scotland. Hell mend her. We’ve seen off the Labour Branch Party, we are seeing off the Tory Branch Office Party and we’ll see off the LibDem Branch Office Party, the very party that used to be live in Home Rule.
Fuck them!
Did you know the lady in question Hamish?
🙂
Essexexile @ 21:59,
I think Chris’ essential point (as I see it) is that Swansong has a big mouth, and coming out of it is a rather egregious and unpleasant kind of arrogance and hypocrisy. So in our eyes it’s not a pretty sight, metaphorically speaking.
You may be right that some here are presenting a rather more personal interpretation of it than they oughter, but after all this heavy-duty BritNatsplaining we have had to endure over the last few years, from a wide range of mendacious and ignorant sources, yet another dose of
sh..boll..frankly ridiculous pretension from a jumped-up little pretender was perhaps the last straw.Brothers and sisters
This is no aboot powerful leaders or powerful words
This is about the power of the people.
You! The people of Scotland, ARE sovereign!!!
People come to me, they say: what do you mean we’re sovereign? I’m jist an ordinary person fae a hoosin scheme in Glesga, how am ah sovereign? Whit is this sovereignty yer talkin’ aboot?
I explain to them: sovereignty means power. (These are people who are used tae getting telt whit tae dae. They don’t believe they huv power).
So I ask them a simple question, (trying no to shout):
So, I ask them: Who should decide what kind a govt we huv in Scotland?
Should it be the people in Scotland or Boris Johnson and the Tories?
They look at me as if I’m daft, for asking such a stupid question, then answer me: “the people o Scotland, of course”.
That’s sovereignty, I tell them. The power that we in Scotland decide what kind a country we huv. No the Tories, no Labour, no any politicians, no even the SNP.
It’s us.
But, then I hear: But, I don’t like the SNP.
Brothers and sisters: sovereignty gies us the power tae decide oor ain government. If we don’t like the SNP, we can elect a govt we dae like.
But, first we have exercise that power, oor sovereignty as brothers and sisters in this great wee country we huv here, that could be even greater if it was us, the people o Scotland that made the decisions.
Brothers and sisters let us staun the gither, staun up tae Boris Johnson and Westminster an’ tell them: We’re takin back control o oor country.
We’ll make Scotland a better country, a fairer country. A democratic country. Nae hoose o Lords in an independent Scotland!
A Scotland that’s run for the good o aw the people of Scotland, no jist fur a wealthy few.
Join with me brothers and sisters, let oor voices be heard as wan:
“We the people of Scotland are sovereign. Scotland will be governed by the people o Scotland for the good o the people o Scotland”.
END THE UNION. INDEPENDENCE FOR SCOTLAND!
Colin Alexander @ 23:08,
Fine words, and how exactly are we going to fulfil them, “brother”, in tonight’s latest (always unmentioned) panacea?
(Or anytime, y’know, without the …)
@Essexexile
If I remember correctly Osborne was depicted in a gimp outfit and Cameron had a condom head in the Guardian which also had some grotesque cartoons of Alex Salmond. Why should the LibDem leader be treated any better, if it’s because it is a female then that is just a form of misogyny (we will hurt her female sensibilities) .
Defo
….thats no lady , that’s my…
A Concern Troll,
`One common tactic is the “a plague on both your houses” approach, where the concern troll tries to convince people that both sides of the ideological divide are just as bad as each other, and so no one can think themselves “correct” but must engage in endless hedging and caveats.
everyone wastes time discussing the matter and bending over backwards, so as not to appear intolerant of disagreement, all to the great amusement of the troll.`
If we leave the EU (or anytime really without agreement of Scotland) on the 31st Oct then the only conclusion I can draw from this is the Claim of Right, voted on recently, is meaningless. Although we claim to be sovereign, another country can remove our citizenship, despite 62% of Scots wishes, doesn’t seem like a sovereign people to me.
Jfngw @ 12.37
Well no…. It demonstrates,beyond dispute, that The Claim of Right and Scottish Sovereignty has no meaning to Westminster.
We are still free to act to ensure it has meaning to us.
If Westminster are no longer a safe repository for our Rights and Sovereignty…..
Do we accept the Westminster stance over it or, do we attend to preserving it ourselves???
Thanks Mike and BobW
John from Fife says:
21 September, 2019 at 9:32 pm
As a normal lurker on the site I can’t understand why there is such support to stop Brexit given that it is the main example given for a second referendum. Why would people want to stop Brexit when that will mean No Indy referendum.
Because the SNP values it’s majority in the polls over the essential principles of Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty, and if it’s seen as too militantly opposed to Brexit, it will alienate their Europhobic supporters who don’t like Europe but vote SNP for Indy.
They take the cynical attitude that being mealy mouthed about Brexit and letting it happen is strategically advantageous, because letting down ardent EU supporters like me might piss us all off intensely, but even pissed off and seething with steam coming out our ears, we can still be relied on to vote YES. Those of us who aren’t deported first of course.
The SNP politicians, only have an ephemeral regard for Scottish Sovereignty. Had they been at all disposed to stand firm on Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty, Scotland would have had a Constitutional Backstop as robust as intractable as the Irish Backstop, a veritable Brexit kill switch from 2016, but the SNP think it would have driven away Eurosceptic SNP supporters and put their vote share at risk.
Constitutional Strategy 0 Democratic Strategy 1
The big problem is, the strategy means looking the other way while our Sovereign will to reject Brexit is subjugated, but this too represents additional grievance capital to boost the YES vote whenever there eventually is a YES referendum.
If Scotland does want to see it’s Constitutional Sovereignty defended from colonial subjugation, and defended in a Constitutional Courtroom, it would seem the SNP is not the organisation to put your faith in.
I am not anti-democratic, but I have all kinds of alarm bells ringing about “democracy” being a meaningful or deliverable principle if Scotland allows itself to be subjugated by Brexited, and has placed all it’s eggs in a referendum in a fascist UK which has successfully overruled Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty, and is further intent upon dismantling Scotland’s democratic infrastructure, and is free to subject our Nation too even more of its cynical colonial indoctrination.
To be blunt, I believe a democratic route to Independence is a massive gamble which gives strength and opportunity to our enemies to cheat us and lie to us, and rig our systems to their advantage as they always do, and always will.
Our Sovereignty, our Constitution, our 1320 Declaration that the people of Scotland are sovereign, is the essential truth with Westminster finds wholly indigestible and incontestable. That is why the British Establishment must obscure the truth from Scotland, and pedal their myths about the false sovereignty of Westminster Parliament and “UK” democracy. We Scot’s must be indoctrinated to obey the UK government and believe the lie that we have forfeited our sovereign birthright.
I am scathing in my contempt for this strategy, not merely because it’s a disingenuous swindle of ardent pro-Europeans, but because it forfeits and abandons important benchmarks in obdurate legal and constitutional principle, and puts our Nation at the mercy of a population routinely subjected to the BritNat’s insidious indoctrination and misinformation. To me, this seems gratuitously reckless and inanely stupid.
Every morning when I wake up, I ache to hear the news that Ian Blackford is no longer just saying the words that Scotland will not be Brexited against it’s will, but he has secured a legal Backstop recognised by Europe that Scotland’s involuntary Brexit is unlawful and unconstitutional. I ache to hear that news that Joanna Cherry has been fortified by her success in establishing the right to revoke Article 50, and I hope, reversing the unlawful prorogation of Westminster, and has decided to go for the “big one” and dispute Westminster’s “Union-Busting” attempted colonial subjugation of Scotland’s Constitutional integrity.
For me, Brexit is the watershed. Our Scottish Government will either have defended our Constitutional integrity and status as a Nation, or they will have sold out the principle for their own naive childlike faith in democracy. They will have my undying respect for the first principle, but my withering and eternal condemnation if they have sold us all down the river in the name of the second.
Come on Ian Blackford. Come on Joanna Cherry. You both know what needs to be done. For God’s sake, for Scotland, do it, and do it now.
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The time to have another Indy/Ref is when it can be won. The SNP are carrying out their mandate to the letter. According to the polls which can be wrong. More people in Scotland support EU membership than another EU Ref/Independence.
The SNP (Gov) Are carrying their mandate out to the letter, as usual. What the electorate want.To stop Brexit and then have another IndyRef. One campaign at a time. A good strategy. Or do the detractors want the SNP (Gov) to lose both.
The SNP (Gov) as usual are carrying out their mandate doing what people in the country want. They are carrying out their mandate. An IndyRef will be held when it can be won. Independence is not for Christmas but is for life. Why do the detractors want to jump the gun? So the SNP (Gov) can lose both. Not a very good strategy. Or successful.
More peopkrvib Scotland support EU membership than another Indy/Ref/Independence. According to the polls. Often wrong. The electorate/people in Scotland want to stop Brexit and then have another Indy/Ref. Support for the SNP/Independence is rising. The best time to have an Indy Ref is when it can be won.
Try to stop Brexit and then have another IndyRef. The best strategy. One campaign at a time. Or lose both. That is what the people in Scotland want. The SNP (Gov) are carrying out their mandate they have been given to the letter. Exactly want the electorate want. Another amazing performance. Well done.
John from Fife your right the Scottish government have to show a wee bit of backbone, stand up we’re a free country in a union that isn’t working, the English establishment have a thousand years of being sleekit be hard to beat them unless we use different tactics.
Apparantly there was a piece in yesterday’s Herald where it was reported that Nicola Sturgeon said independence could be “reversed” in the future.
Did she actually say this, if so it’s really scarey.
@Ken500 says: 22 September, 2019 at 7:26 am:
… One campaign at a time. Or lose both. That is what the people in Scotland want. The SNP (Gov) are carrying out their mandate they have been given to the letter. Exactly want the electorate want. Another amazing performance. Well done.”
All that criticism of the SNP fighting to keep the United Kingdom is cobblers awls, Ken. There is nothing strange or wrong about it. It is no more than the anti-FM/SG/SNP doing their usual Red Herring deflection and what they are deflecting from is, of course, the truth.
The truth being they want to make it seem the situation is a battle between the countries of Scotland and England. It isn’t because The United Kingdom is a union of only the two kingdoms, Scotland and England and the kingdom of England that signed, “The Treaty of Union”, was comprised of England, Wales & all Ireland so what the Status Quo Ante will be after the Kingdom of Scotland declares the union is over will be the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England. There will be no legal rUnited Kingdom.
So the real truth is the SNP are fighting to keep the United Kingdom in the European Union is because until the moment the United Kingdom leaves the European Union then The Kingdom of Scotland is legally part of the United Kingdom that is leaving the European Union and the SNP form the Kingdom of Scotland Government.
Thus, when the chips are down and Westminster drags The Kingdom of Scotland out of the European Union against the People of Scotland’s will then, and only then, the case for the legally sovereign people of Scotland as citizens of the European Union is complete and that is the time to assert the Claim of Right and claim our sovereign right and our legal right as citizens of the European Union to insist we remain in the European Union and to declare the union of the United Kingdom is over.
The fact is the SNP are correctly fighting to keep the United Kingdom in the EU because The Kingdom of Scotland is legally one of the two kingdoms that form the United Kingdom and no amount of deflection by these numpties can change that by trying to brainwash people that Westminster is the legal parliament of England.
Westminster is not the legal Parliament of England it is legally the parliament of the United Kingdom and Scotland is legally an equally sovereign partner in the United Kingdom so what better time to claim our legally sovereign claim of right than when Westminster is blatantly breaking the Treaty of Union?
It means that the European Union Parliament has to make a decision to look after her Scottish European citizens rights as EU citizens and all it will take is for them to realise the United Kingdom that is the EU member state is composed of two equally sovereign kingdoms and Scotland remains while the two and a bit Kingdom of England can leave.
Except, of course, The Northern Ireland GFA has to be faced and Wales is fast also uniting for independence.
Why the frick is there a full front page picture of Ben Elton in my Sunday National,
he has recently compared our democratic quest for independence to the atrocities of the Balkan conflict of the 90s,
get tae frick National,
and why does the sport section still pander to the glasgow teams, how many pics column inches of lennon/geraaad do readers of the National really want,
there are plenty of unionist rags happy to pander to them,
Scotland getting rubbed out by the gym monkey brutes of Ireland so no happy.
McDuff 8.58.
Apparently she did – in Berlin.
Using phone so not able to link.
Breeks@5.03am
Up and aboot early Breeks? And mair cauld kale for breakfast.
“If Scotland does want to see it’s (sic) Constitutional Sovereignty defended from colonial subjugation, and defended in a Constitutional Courtroom, it would seem the SNP is not the organisation to put your faith in.”
Nothing else you write essentially matters. Tell me what group WOULD you put your faith in?
Let me put something on the record – I am an SNP member and in the past have crossed swords with the party over several key issues, on one vital occasion for which I paid the price of suspension.
My membership – just as with the vote of anyone for the SNP – is conditional, a bond of trust founded on the belief that the party will repay that trust at fateful moments like this. The Claim of Right at party political level, if you will.
There is little question that the SNP was outflanked by May’s 2017 snap GE.
Rather than stand by our EU mandate, it ran on a timid ‘Standing up for Scotland’ ticket when the UKOK mob struck us hard with their “say no to IndyRef2” message
That was a strategic error and a very hard lesson learned.
I do not believe such a mistake will be made again. The next GE will be fought on a no holds barred independence ticket, with IndyRef2 next year at its centre.
Breeks, no one is disputing that Scotland is in danger. We are up against a ruthless and dangerous foe, an increasingly despotic state which can call on its media attack dogs as and when required.
But to decry democracy is to sink the very levels to which Boris Johnson and his junta is sinking. I do not envy you your company.
And you utterly mis-understand the motives of the SNP leadership, who are presently involved in a deadly game of contitutional chess with the UK Government.
One mis-step risks disaster, too much caution rsks dissention at home.
But the second Brexit kicks in, the pre-set ties with the EU will go live to plot our path back to Europe. Watch the video of Micola Sturgeon’s warm meeting with Jean Claude Juncker on June 11 as evidence.
Perhaps it’s best to imagine Scotland’s EU membership as akin to metamorphosis – an ugly caterpillar for 44 years in a dysfunctional UK state, a short-duration chrysalis until YES wins next year, then a beautiful butterfly when we take flight as an independent and gallus member of the EU in our own right.
That is a vision we should all be seeking to make a reality.
Here’s the link about the ‘reversing independence’ story.
link to archive.is
@McDuff
Of course it can be reversed, all she’s doing is stating the obvious. That’s the thing about democracy, you can vote for whatever you want, and is possible. With Independence, the Wings party could take an overall majority and appoint The Rev as the head of the church of RPG.
Or Scotland could vote in the Dissolution Party which would get rid of Holyrood and split Scotland int0 32 Independent states, all with a red and yellow flag and various characters from comic books. And change our anthem to Land of Hope and Glory.
The media of couse will make a fuss about it.
Back to the rugby 🙂
Just to say, some really high quality (and respectful) posting from several of WoS BTL ‘big guns’ this morning. Great stuff.
Good to see RP back and on form.
Now for that second half comeback…..
Sad to see the attitude of the cultists on here towards the only vehicle that will secure the goal we all want!
The money you donated to wings, it’s direction now appears to be apparent, an appeal against Dugdale and starting a rival party!
Meanwhile articles highlighting the contradictions and ugliness of unionism have dried up!
P.S. normally a fan of Chris’ cartoons, but this cartoon I find in very poor taste and counterproductive to what will secure Scotland freedom.
The cartoon is a strong indicator as to what wings has become!
“The money you donated to wings, it’s direction now appears to be apparent, an appeal against Dugdale and starting a rival party!”
Sigh. The 2019 fundraiser clearly stated that some of the money would be used on the Dugdale case. We also consulted the readership on whether to go ahead with the appeal, and the answer was yes by a 9:1 margin. So park your conspiracy theory up your hole.
@ Essexexile – it’s a cartoon. In the style of Hogarthian grotesque. A fine tradition.
Article in Times about Labour membership views …..
(Can’t access archive on O2 to make link)
“Just 15% are “proud” of Britain’s history, with 43% saying they are “ashamed”. Only 29% believe in retaining the monarchy, while 62% say that Britain should become a republic.
One in five would be “happy” or “proud” to sing the national anthem while half would be bored, embarrassed or angry.”
Well, all I can say is that their appear to be a lot of perfectly sane people among the UK Labour’s membership.
The Times also says …
” …. a poll that reveals the prevalence of extremist views in Labour ranks.”
Sorry, but the above views aren’t extreme to my mind, they are perfectly normal and ‘middle of the road’. I wouldn’t describe the views as being particularly on the left. Wanting a republic is certainly normal in this world. And, facing up to the UK’s despicable past is something far more people need to do!
If they want extremism, they need to look at the far right and it current antics.
Capella @10.03am
What does it achieve for independence though? I’ve seen some cartoons in the Times about NS and AS which I’ve found equally distasteful.
They just debase the political argument to appeal to those whose views are entrenched to the point of hatred.
The HoC has plenty of traditions and most of them need ditching too.
Ach! That’s that then (24-3 now).
Scotland’s Crap at Rugby Because…….
Look at the faces, ours are nice looking guys . . . . Theirs are out of the jail
Ours are good guys to go for pint with . . . . . Theirs would push you aff your stool and steal your partner.
Now,now Clydebuilt we are better than that
@mike cassidy
@McDuff
An independent and democratic Scotland can choose whatever path we want … in/out of the EU, become the 51st state of the US, merge in a union with Norway, we can choose our currency, we can be a republic or a monarchy, every option would be ours to opt for …. and we could even vote to rejoin in a Union with England. That is what Nicola meant, and she is correct. That’s democracy.
How many countries which have left London’s grasp have actually opted to return? Ziltz. But any could, I suppose.
Why is the commentator once again English when England are not playing.
They just always have to be in charge
Re rugby.
What do Ireland have that Scotland does not
?
Clue – it gives both mental strength and self belief. It is also something that Jo Swinson and co do not wish Scotland to have.
Sunday Politics Scotland
Richard Leonard interviewed doing what he does best making a total fool of himself.
Asked by Brewer what constitutes a mandate for Indyref2 – “there would need to be demonstrable public opinion which was in favour of a second independence referendum”. Is that not an election win says Brewer. That’s part of it replies Leonard. What’s the other part says Brewer. Where public opinion is says Leonard. Brewer says opinion polls. But if you have just won an election how are opinion polls relevant.
Leonard totally unable/unwilling to define what is a mandate to have Indyref2. Britnats are not democrats. There already is a mandate for Indyref2 but Brewer of course does not mention this. The whole premise of the discussion was obviously to talk as if there is no mandate at present. Lying deceitful Britnats as usual.
Leonard must be the most useless politician ever to pitch up as British Labour leader in Scotland and that’s a very low bar.
galamcennalath says@10-34
Absolutely spot on, the ‘stirrers’ are just trying to be obtuse and obviously do not understand the word ‘Democracy’ and how it can be used (if and when we ever get out of the Westminster stranglehold). Reminds me of Britnats somehow.
Clydebuilt: The Irish players believe in Ireland as an independent country. Most of the Scots players don’t believe in Scotland as an independent country. The Irish are playing for their nation. The Scots are just playing for a team (and the money).
Liz g @12:55 am
If we are taken out of the EU despite voting 62% to stay then that is the reality of the situation. In theory we are sovereign but it has proved meaningless unless there is action taken to enforce this sovereignty, I await this with baited breath, I hope I don’t suffocate in the meantime.
So many mistakes and kicks to nowhere. Why not just hand them the ball, save the energy? Bad start all the same, half the team were crying.
@McDuff
Because they are there basically to cover the England matches (same as the womens football world cup), the other nations are just there to fill in the schedules. Once upon a time STV/BBC Scotland would cover Scotland games with their own commentators but STV is just a shell of its former self and BBC Scotland is tasked to preserve the union.
Giving goose
About 4 time more registered players
link to en.m.wikipedia.org
Fairliered@10.43am
The Irish believed in a solid defensive platform. Scotland were way too loose. The rain ruined the second half.
Those are the hard facts.
Galamcennalath
Other countries are not adjoined to England, a larger belligerent one who since time immemorial has had the sole ambition of conquering and absorbing us into their own.
If Scotland becomes independent I believe England with the help of MI5 the MSM and business will do everything it can to undermine Scotland`s stability and economy with a view of reversing independence back to the union. There is nothing democratic about that.
You don’t seem to have grasped who we are dealing with.
Oh well, Ireland thoroughly outclasses Scotland on the rugby field, albeit with a few glaring refereeing errors.
We are bottom of our group…sigh.
Gfaetheblock
Aye we need to scour the jails and the schemes to up the numbers and get rid of the class bias.
And totally . . . . . an independent Scotland’s team would have more drive to win.
Heart of Galloway says:
22 September, 2019 at 9:46 am
….That is a vision we should all be seeking to make a reality.
No. What you don’t grasp is the moment Scotland is subjugated is the moment we acquiesce to our Sovereignty being overruled, and thus, by our own complicity, we concede it is ‘not’ sovereign at all.
When you ‘later’ go for a referendum, your “sovereign”, the authority you have already deferred to, is under no constitutional obligation to recognise your autonomy in any degree, or your constitutional capacity to challenge ‘their’ UK Sovereignty. Because it is sovereign and you are not, it can deny you consent to hold a referendum, declare it illegal, or refuse to recognise your referendum result, and even call your referendum activities seditious. You will have placed Scotland’s neck on the Catalonian chopping block.
These unconstitutional eventualities seem sickening and disgraceful, but they are already manifest in Scotland being excluded from Brexit Negotiations, denied a voice in Europe, and we even have our Civil Servants excluded from EU discussions and briefings.
When a nation’s sovereignty is impinged, the colonial aggressor is automatically outside the law and their usurpation of sovereignty is void and unlawful. By rights, given Scotland’s both democratic and sovereign rejection of Brexit, then Westminster’s UK Brexit becomes an act of Colonial subjugation which should properly be deemed unlawful.
The fact is isn’t is down to our Scottish Government’s tacit acquiescence to be subjugated.
I don’t care if find the message tiresome. It’s the truth I cannot change, and the truth which doesn’t go away because you choose to ignore it.
McDuff says:
Which is why IMO that iScotland MUST be a full EU member.
The way in which the EU has backed up Ireland should make that clear.
England has had many many centuries of bullying her neighbours and coveting their resources. Watching them rally struggle to deal with the EU over Ireland has been a delight.
…. We were meant to have elected a Government which would stand firm for Scotland’s Constitutional Rights, and specifically ‘not’ be the dutiful obedient ‘pretendy’ Government which went along with whatever Westminster decided.
If an SNP Government isn’t going to seize hold of a Constitutional opportunity like Brexit, and an emphatic democratic and sovereign mandate rejecting Brexit, then having an SNP doormat is no more meaningful or progressive than all the Labour doormats that went before them.
Scotland being subjugated within the UK is nothing new. It is NOT something that has happened due to Brexit. Brexit only highlights it more.
Scotlands daily Menu since 1707 has been:
Starter …………….Subservience
Main Course………Subjugation
Dessert……………..Humiliation
A lot of people in Scotland have grown so accustomed to this menu that they just accept it as normal. Like some prisoners just accept their situation.
Gfaetheblock
Clydebuilt nails it in the last paragraph.
Rugby like life in Scotland does have that doubt hanging over us
about are we a Nation, are we proud, are we confident, are we equal?
The Irish have a greater pride in their nation and themselves as against
All the odds they were able to defeat the great English Empire and all its
Armies and deep pockets.
They recognise themselves as Warriors capable of overcoming anything.
Scots have been prevented from learning about our history at school thanks to
Our English masters. We were not permitted to know about the wealth that North
Sea oil could bring to our economy, we were even denied by Westminster from
Watching TV shows like Outlander that factually reflected the cruelty imposed
By Westminster in the 1700’s.
At our referendum Westminster were allowed to break their Purda Law
The Vowed to make their first action on a No win to give Scotland
Extensive new powers, when in fact they first took a power away with EVEL.
They then broke all the promises of a £Billion carbon capture investment for Scotland
Secure 3,000 HMRC jobs that are now being relocated to Croydon, £3 Billion for Scottish
Renewable energy projects- now cancelled, 13 major new ships for the Clyde- greatly reduced
and of course a No vote would ensure Scotland’s wish remain in the EU would be assured?
I will add in the statement made promising that Scotland would have the most powerful devolved
Governments in world.
We now know that Westminster has proclaimed that after the Brexit that we don’t want is enforced
They will take back 24 of the most important devolved powers that Holyrood has?
There can be no question or doubt that Scotland has been raped, robbed, abused and lied to
For hundreds of years and they can never be trusted to any degree on any topic at any time.
Richard Leonard says
SNP must win all of the votes and all of the seats and then newspapers must have polls that say all of the people bar none say they want Independence then the SNP must raise an army and fight England and if they win that then England will bomb Scotland and if any people survive who still want Independence the Labour party will think about it after the SNP are released from a 30 year prison sentence……that’s how democracy works…..in the Queendom of England Britain UK land of hope and glory that is Jerusalem
Jo Swinson could’ve said that for him, although she might’ve been stricter
Giving Goose at 10:36
Explain Wales then?
You’re an idiot. And so is anyone else blaming a poor Scotland performance on not being Independent.
Coaching (Tactics and Preparation) is to blame.
@ Essexexile – What does it achieve for independence though?
It lampoons the hypocrisy of Jo Swinson and her faux Scottishness. That gives us a wee laugh.
Small consolation, but I can’t see England getting near the sharp end of this World cup either. In modern rugby, a team is as strong as it’s bench and the England replacements look pretty ropey on this showing.
Vern Cotter was liked and respected by both the players and the fans and was taking Scotland forward.
Gregor Townsend ?????????
FFS! If the ITV studio designers lay on the Japanese stereotyping any thicker we’ll see Johnny Wilkinson dressed as a geisha slurping down a bowl of udon.
While standing in a koi carp pond.
Of course ,,,, there will be a “reunification” campaign!!!
Unlike all the other Countries who dumped Westminster Rule we share this island with them…
It will start the morning after the Yes vote
and
It Won’t Ever Stop,it will take many forms,reverse the Yes vote to start with,economic pressure in the early years,and TREATIES between us signed up to by Holyrood going forward.
We cannot or should not be able to tie the hands of Scots in generations to come and it’s entirely possible that the lessons of what a Union with England really means will soon be forgotten.
As I think that we sometimes forget too, that it was Holyrood and those in it with the power to do so, that signed us into Westminster Rule in the first place.
Which is why I keep proposing that we bind Holyrood with our Constitution specifically in this area.
EG…
Holyrood shall have the power to sign international Treaties they judge to be in Scotland’s interests.
But any and ALL Treaties must be put to the people of Scotland to approve it’s continuation every 25/30 year’s in a referendum… NO Exceptions….
Failure to do so by Holyrood will result in the Treaty ending by default.
It is about the only protection we can gift to future generations of Scots,when we’re not around to warn of the dangers of a Union with England and what that really means for Scotland.
Never again should Holyrood be able to sign us into a Treaty that lasts for CENTURIES…. Every Scot should have The Approval of any Treaty arrangements they were born into as a Constitutional right.
They (future Scots ) can enact Constitutional change ..of course they can…. We can only make sure that Holyrood cannot change anything in our Constitution all by itself and has to , again , consult the People of Scotland. But, other than a decent history class in the schools there’s little else we can do to bind another “Rouge” Holyrood…
Westminster we can do nothing about except to remember it absolutely will not stop trying to get control of the whole island! And it’s first best chance is in the early years post the Yes vote when they will have a fair few Scots who still actually want Westminster control over this land!!!
ahundredthidiot
Agreed, Wales is significantly smaller than Scotland, but has more registered players. Ireland also Uk players In the team, including the captain.
Participation levels, coaching, facilities. funding and cultural relevance are all important factors, scotland political status is irrelevant, and claiming it would change the performance is just naive. Is this the Scottish cringe, blaming political status for our shortcomings?
Enjoyed a dreek afternoon at myreside for their minis tournament today, don’t think the kids where getting stressed by constitutional politics.
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Disgusted to see the U.K. dis-honours system gave Jo Swinson a CBE.
Her CBE might as well stand for Cairns Beastly ‘Ed picture.
The LibDems don’t just lie their gerrymandered corrupt form of politics towards personal aggrandisement and a ministerial mondeo, they game the system to grab a big dose of seats in the House of Lords.
Sorry Chris, but I feel physically sick looking at that Dorian Gray type picture you drew of Jo Swansong. She is a self centred career politician who will sell all of her principles to get a ConDem coalition with the Tories and a job as a Deputy Prime Minister.
The sad thing is Jo Swindler will probably achieve that illegitimate aim and become Deputy Prime Minister within a few months. A more horrific thought than any cartoon could portray.
NEVER trust a LIBERAL!
Al@11.38 Swineson getting a CBE. In an Indy Scotland, honours will not exist. SIMPLES.
Shrek is looking a bit rough these days.
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