We really can’t be bothered with having the GERS “debate” again, in which all the same people make all the same exactly opposite spins on the exact same data. Minor annual fluctuations aside, the core reality is the same as the one we repeat every 12 months, and serious economists on both sides of the political divide still treat the figures with the disdain they properly merit.
One such person is Richard Murphy, and in an excellent piece today he posted a version of this graph which did catch our jaded eye. It purports to show the share of UK debt supposedly accounted for by Scotland – which has, let’s remember, just 8% of the UK’s population – in each of the last 16 years, and which immediately prior to the SNP’s 2011 majority stood at almost exactly that of our population share.
How very remarkable, some readers may feel, that the extent of Scotland’s supposed responsibility for the UK’s debt should have rocketed so very dramatically at the exact point when independence became a live political question.
It does rather make you wonder why the UK government, scraping as it is for every penny of possible savings, seems more and more desperate to hang onto Scotland as the terrible economic burden we become on the rest of the country grows ever heavier.
Truly, our partners in this great equal and bountiful union must be the most generous and forgiving people on Earth. We don’t deserve them.
This poll from Opinium came out a few days ago, but didn’t get as much attention as people might normally have expected, possibly because it was presented in a very difficult-to-follow graphical form. So we’ve sorted it out, and also added in the missing Lib Dem voters.
The takeaway is that a clear majority of voters both in Scotland and the UK now believe that the UK government should accept the Scottish Government’s request for a second independence referendum.
We thought readers might possibly like to hear the unexpurgated audio of our interview with The Times this week, so that they could judge the tone of our “expletive-ridden condemnations” and whatnot for themselves.
Other than a few bits of minor tidying-up – such as me umming and aahing trying to remember the name of a song, or when the manager came round to ask if we wanted more drinks – this is the whole of the “official” interview.
(In conversation with Kenny Farquharson of The Times, 1 August 2019) .
The interview was an interesting one in itself that we might talk more about later this weekend, but let’s leave that aside for now and talk about the headline take, because as usual the Scottish media is presenting it in a remarkably dishonest manner.
In case you missed it, there was an interesting phone-in on the subject of Scottish independence on James O’Brien’s LBC radio show from 10am this morning. I chipped my tuppence-worth in at the start (I’m the second caller, from about 6m 25s), but it’s fascinating listening to O’Brien’s tone evolve as the hour-long segment goes on.
(James O’Brien, LBC, 7 August 2019) .
We don’t doubt for a moment the sincerity and good intent with which he states his position. But when he talks in the intro about the special feelings he has when he’s in Scotland, which he also gets in Greece, the whole argument collapses.
Because O’Brien doesn’t appear to need to feel that he “owns” Greece, or that he’s a Greek citizen, to have that warmth towards it. He doesn’t need the people of England to elect Greece’s governments for it – he’s happy to have those feelings towards a completely independent country. So why not about an independent Scotland?
(Sadly I was cut off before I got a chance to respond to his point about Germany and its federal regions, which would have been to point out that no one German region is six times bigger than all the others put together and can – and does – impose its will on them whenever it wants.)
And much to his credit he appears to realise that as the show goes on. Whether he still thinks deep down that the Scottish independence movement is in significant part driven by anti-Englishness, only he can say. But his callers today at least appear to have made him think about it, and it’s a process worth listening to.
It’s our most fervent wish that one day the left will grasp the fact that this isn’t how you win a war.
It’s also our most abiding fear that this – with its stern admonitions against clapping, or banner-waving, or speaking to anyone who might disagree with you, or taking “fun shortcuts” or wearing “aggressive scents”, in case any of those things cause trauma to the sensitive – might as well be the SNP conference of 2022.
Northcode on Anything But That: ““… yet the two nations and peoples can be friends now.” Setting aside this logic falling victim to the fallacy…” Sep 3, 19:23
Aidan on Anything But That: “Yeah again I think most people can get over the events of 300+ years ago. Within some people’s lifetimes, the…” Sep 3, 18:47
Northcode on Anything But That: “… or even “Keyboard Tourettes” for those who think the possessive term is misplaced. Perhaps i do suffer from keybored…” Sep 3, 18:32
agentx on Anything But That: “@ Marie – I live overlooking Gareloch and have fished there with my sons and eaten mackerel that we caught.…” Sep 3, 18:30
Northcode on Anything But That: “For the pedantic, “Keyboard Tourets” should read “Keyboard Tourette’s” Thair – sortit.” Sep 3, 18:29
Northcode on Anything But That: “Keyboard Tourets The term “keyboard tourettes” is not officially recognized, but it describes a phenomenon where individuals, often in online…” Sep 3, 18:08
TURABDIN on Anything But That: “WW3 & the AI loonies….. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/sep/03/peter-thiel-argentina-javier-milei?CMP=share_btn_url El Niño too.” Sep 3, 18:04
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “How odd that you don’t want to pose the question in Scots, Northy. Got to say, I’m pissed that according…” Sep 3, 17:50
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “Benefits to who?” Sep 3, 17:34
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “I have this theory, Northy, that you spout shite in inverse proportion to the likelihood of Scotland becoming independent. On…” Sep 3, 17:32
Northcode on Anything But That: “Westminster is nervous… and for good reason. The main event that could trigger a great upsurge in Scottish demand for…” Sep 3, 17:29
Marie on Anything But That: “Alf Baird @ 4.06pm – thanks for the link. I was in Helensburgh last month and looking out at Gare…” Sep 3, 17:21
Northcode on Anything But That: “It was always England’s empire. You never hear of Britain’s “Green and Pleasant Land” or “There’ll Always Be a Britain”…” Sep 3, 17:13
James Barr Gardner on Anything But That: “The fact that most smaller nations in Europe operate on consensus politics seems to have escaped Swinney’s vision, his view…” Sep 3, 17:07
Stevie on Anything But That: “The SNP disgusts me – nothing new then” Sep 3, 16:44
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “Now, now WWW. Use its proper name. 8 Ace.” Sep 3, 16:34
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “So it’s the English empire now, Alf? What you doing here? Channeling your inner Trump? He likes to rename stuff…” Sep 3, 16:31
Alf Baird on Anything But That: ““I don’t think many Scot’s see themselves as downtrodden natives or Scotland as a dystopian occupied territory.” Scots, and yersel…” Sep 3, 16:06
Aidan on Anything But That: “So every region of every country everywhere in the world is a colony is it James? What about those poor…” Sep 3, 14:00
100%YES on Anything But That: “John Swinney blames Westminster for Glasgow homelessness crisis that threatens to bankrupt city, its always Westminster Westminster is the SNP…” Sep 3, 13:58
James on Anything But That: “Long as they’ve got Ace on ice, SP, I’ll be happy.” Sep 3, 13:28
James on Anything But That: “Aww, Adrian, back again? Here’s today’s crossword clue, just for you; A country that has no controls over its own…” Sep 3, 13:27
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “EFTA, eh? Your certainty suggests you see yourself as a kingpin of the negotiating team, flown out (business class, natch)…” Sep 3, 13:20
Northcode on Anything But That: ““The EU literally *is* a beacon of colonialism and represents everything you claim to be against.” What nonsense is this…” Sep 3, 13:16
Aidan on Anything But That: “This whole “Scotland is a colony” theory is only accepted by a tiny minority of largely irrelevant fringe voices. I…” Sep 3, 13:09
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “Not answering is Alf’s MO. But I can easily list one benefit of sticking with the status quo. We’ll be…” Sep 3, 13:07
James on Anything But That: “Please stay calm. Wasn’t it funny how Fish Face was never off the telly during the Brexit campaign, though? Was…” Sep 3, 12:56
James on Anything But That: “Alf; “…they didn’t answer…”” Sep 3, 12:52
Hatey McHateface on Anything But That: “Unlike the campervan.” Sep 3, 12:47
Bilbo on Anything But That: “@ Hatey Ye have some imagination on ye, Hatey ma boy.” Sep 3, 11:57