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The bonehead parade

Posted on June 15, 2018 by

We’re seriously starting to think there’s some sort of competition going on among the Unionist parties of Scotland to see who’s the thickest. We’ve spent quite a bit of time pointing out the scarcely-believable dimness of the Scottish Conservative benches, but this week Scottish Labour really pulled out the stops to try to seize back the initiative.

As a warm-up act they came out swinging with one of their big hitters (which for taste reasons we’ve expressed as rhyming slang) in the form of our dear old pal and former Edinburgh South CLP chair Duncan Hothersall – last seen attacking a six-year-old girl for selling 50p cups of lemonade to thirsty festivalgoers – who impressively contrived to badly lose an argument with a bridge.

But hilarious as that was, it wasn’t the high point by a distance.

And we don’t even mean the conspiracy theory he tacked on:

(In passing we should perhaps note that Hothersall’s argument was both factually and logically fallacious. Firstly, it was never claimed by anyone that the bridge windshields would totally prevent closures, just mostly. And secondly, as numerous people pointed out, his reasoning could equally be used to say “buses are vehicles, so that means the bridge was closed to vehicles – just not ALL vehicles”.)

Luckily for Dunc, though, there was no shortage of other volunteers in Scottish Labour to rush to the battlements of brainlessness and distract some attention from his embarrassment. Putting in a tireless shift was another old chum of Wings, and another stalwart of the party’s Edinburgh cohort, Councillor Professor Doctor Scott Arthur:

First up, the slow-witted municipal seat-warmer fell for a bit of weak propaganda being put around by the Tories, namely that the SNP had left the “script” for their PMQs walkout on Wednesday behind them – despite the fact that the document was in reality their points of order from the previous night’s EU debate.

Which could be easily missed, unless you spotted the words “EU WITHDRAWAL BILL – POINTS OF ORDER” printed in capital letters in a box right at the top of it.

(As well as it referring to “this evening” rather than “this afternoon”.)

But there could be no mistaking that Cllr Professor Doctor Scott was fuming about the SNP’s walkout. First he raged that the party’s MPs were “sheep” for following their leader out when he was ordered to leave the chamber.

Which rapidly backfired when it was revealed that the SNP had merely been borrowing a tactic from Donald Dewar’s Scottish Labour, and for the exact same reason.

And his Twitter poll on the subject didn’t pan out quite as he presumably hoped either.

But a true leader leads his party from the front, so Labour’s Scottish branch office manager stepped up to the plate on Thursday with a trap question for Nicola Sturgeon about primary school testing, in which he asked her if she knew another name for a hummingbird’s beak, a question which was apparently reducing the nation’s five-year-old children to shattered, weeping, broken husks.

Except it turned out Leonard was being somewhat dishonest (yes, we’re as surprised as you are), because he’d neglected to mention the fact that the question actually put to kids was non-hummingbird-specific, multiple-choice, and a none too tricky one, as journalists quickly pointed out.

But rather than quietly and hurriedly backing away after having the crude ploy exposed for the embarrassing attempted chicanery it was, Labour doubled down. Edinburgh MSP Daniel Johnson – expensively privately educated at Stewart’s Melville College and a double graduate from both St Andrews and Strathclyde universities – proclaimed, inexplicably proudly, that this brainteaser was beyond his capabilities.

Which means, we can only assume from the data provided, that this 40-year-old man with two degrees genuinely thought people might refer to the pointy bit at the front of a bird’s face as either its “skin” or its “body”.

(Incidentally, other than results generated by yesterday’s story, literally the second and third Google results for “hummingbird’s beak alternative name” clearly identify the answer as “bill” even before you click on the links.)

Admirably, though, Johnson was determined to find out more.

Wait, HOW fast? 30kHz means 30,000 times a second. Which is a lot.

Hummingbirds are unquestionably amazing creatures, but if they really flapped their wings 30,000 times a second the tiny avians would vanish in a puff of smoke and feathers. The actual frequency is from 12 to 80 times, or 0.15% of Johnson’s claim:

We suppose we shouldn’t be shocked that the party whose top-team frontline talent comprises James Kelly, Jackie Baillie, Neil Findlay, Anas Sarwar and Iain “where would we get the money for an oil fund?” Gray is hapless, innumerate thickos all the way down. We’re just looking forward to the Tories upping their game in response.

There are, we presume, prizes at stake.

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    1. Juan says:

      Ah, colonialists and their innate stupidity. The gift that keeps on giving pure comedy gold.

    2. Helena Brown says:

      You should maybe have a holiday whilst waiting because something like a wee bird tells me it will be some time before that collective intelligence up their game.

    3. paul says:

      How did he vote on the last beak in the scottish parliament?

    4. admiral says:

      You could call Labour MPs, MSPs and toon cooncillors birdbrains, that that would be an unwarranted slur on our feathered friends! LOL!

    5. Keith says:

      FYI Dunc’s the former chair of Edinburgh South CLP. He’s moved to the Torie-side in the Borders apparently.

    6. Welsh Sion says:

      10. (of 20.)

      (To the tune of “Onward Christian Soldiers”.)

      Onward Labour lemmings

      Onward Labour lemmings,
      Marching o’er the cliff,
      With the mark of Leonard,
      Leading them skew-whiff.

      Dick, the chief of numpties,
      Heads his band of woe;
      Forward into history:
      See those bampots go!


      Onward Labour lemmings,
      Marching o’er the cliff,
      With the mark of Leonard,
      Leading them skew-whiff.

      [With acknowledgements]

      Songs for the New Politics

    7. Andrew Davidson says:

      To be fair Daniel Johnson was probably mixing up hummingbird wing beats with the frequency of Labour abstentions in Westminster with his 30kHz comment.

    8. Macart says:

      Oh good grief! If brains were cotton wool, they couldn’t muster enough to form a decent cotton bud.

      This isn’t politics they’re practising. It’s playground, tribal nonsense.

    9. paul says:

      This latest beak is an attack on hard working families because: The SNP tbf

    10. Robert says:

      Johnson has spelled “khz” wrong as well. Should be “kHz”.

    11. Grant says:

      “Looks like we’re going to have to cancel the Alton Towers trip, kids.”

      “There’s a ban on cradling babies on roller coasters, or as I’m describing it – Alton Towers is shut to children”.

    12. Ken500 says:

      No wonder few people vote for them. Get rid of Labour. Take the fight to the Tories spiralling out of control with ever passing minute. The SNP will win. You have got to be in it to win. Remember folks to vote. Your vote counts. 1928 Universal Suffrage. People died for it. Take your outrage to the Ballot Box if possible or not. That’s the place for it. Unless there is no one to vote for with any sense. Don’t forget the e-mails and letters for the sanctimonious liars. SNP/SNP Independence is Scotland’s chance.

      Flights to China started from Edinburgh. More trade, tourism and interesting culture. Developing world ties. Anywhere but Heathrow. Congestion and chaos. If you do not want to miss your flight or be bored out of existence. Taking hours longer and using more fuel and energy. Packed in like sardines. More salmon, food exports. Scotland above it’s weight.

    13. Craig P says:

      30kHz? Thank goodness neither of his degrees required counting.

    14. Dr Jim says:

      It also exposes the lie that sugar makes you fat because Hummingbirds live on the stuff and how many fat Hummingbirds do you see

      They exercise so gae us back wur fizzy Iron Bru, I’ll even jog to the shop to get it

      There must be a special course Labour folk go on to get like this, I mean they’re like a breed of dense apart

    15. jimnarlene says:

      They should never be allowed, anywhere near a position of responsibility.

    16. Arbroath1320 says:


      I wish I was even half as”intelligent” as all those Labour (Abstaintionists) Party types. 😀

    17. Robert Louis says:

      We can all laugh, but seriously just what is it about people who join the labour party? Do they have their brains surgically excised upon joining?

      Two of them, above who seem to be cognitively challenged, are particularly bad adverts for private expensive schooling. My MSP (Daniel Johnson)(sadly) reputedly went to two universities and Daniel Stewarts, yet failed here, not on knowledge, but on simple language comprehension – a classic case of (which all teachers warn about) of NOT reading the actual question. My guess is most 5 year olds may grasp the actual question more readily than private educated Daniel.

      Then to top it all, there is the man-genius, called Iain Gray, the man who could not understand where Scotland would get money for an oil fund. He was reportedly educated at George Watson’s. I mean, seriously, the headmasters of both schools must be shaking their heads in disbelief.

      I’d suggest both of them go back to school, if I actually thought it might help.

    18. dakk says:

      Superficial,thick,or liars.

      One of those,or a combination thereof is what all the british nationalists I know are.

      And by british nationalists I mean all who believe in the british State.

      In all my travels I’ve never met anyone quite like them.

      Human filth I have to say.

    19. Arbroath1320 says:

      Just out of curiosity what are his two degrees in … stupidity and incompetence? 😀

    20. FiferJP says:

      Next up for Duncan, entering an empty room. And losing the fight he picks.

    21. Luigi says:

      When it comes to thickos, british nationalist politicians certainly fit the bill.

      Do not retweet. 🙂

    22. Holebender says:

      Dunky missed a trick; the proper name for a bus is an omnibus, and omnibus is a Latin word meaning “everyone”. The bridge was, therefore, closed to everyone! QED.

    23. Arbroath1320 says:

      Robert Louis says:
      15 June, 2018 at 12:42 pm

      Then to top it all, there is the man-genius, called Iain Gray, the man who could not understand where Scotland would get money for an oil fund. He was reportedly educated at George Watson’s. I mean, seriously, the headmasters of both schools must be shaking their heads in disbelief.

      I’d suggest both of them go back to school, if I actually thought it might help.

      What is really worrying about Mr “where would Scotland get the money from for an oil fund” is that he was once an actual teacher before becoming a member of “The most useless politician in Scotland” club. I believe he taught Maths and Physics. I only have one thing to say … gawd help all those he “taught!”

      I wonder if he ever asked his students “where does Scotland get the gravity from to keep everything from flying away?” 😉

    24. galamcennalath says:

      The BritNat benches at Holyrood are indeed very poorly served. The calibre of pro-UK politician leaves a lot to de desired.

      Which is actually very odd. You’d think, when they have a bit of a struggle ahead to preserve their very existence, they might seek out candidates of higher competence.

      For some deeply mysterious reason they haven’t, apparently leaving defence of their Union solely to the media.

    25. Ken500 says:

      Promoted above their capability. Actions speak better than words. Words are cheap. Look before you leap.

    26. Dr Jim says:

      Forgot to mention this wee test for 5 year olds there’s no pass or fail here its a tool for teachers to estimate where the kid is in educational terms so’s they can tailor education to suit

      So Labour in Scotland failed a test designed for kids that kids can’t fail

    27. Luigi says:

      Hillarious first paragraph, Rev. One correction:

      We’re seriously starting to think there’s some sort of competition going on among the Unionist british nationalist parties of Scotland to see who’s the thickest. We’ve spent quite a bit of time pointing out the scarcely-believable dimness of the Scottish Conservative benches, but this week Scottish Labour really pulled out the stops to try to seize back the initiative.


    28. Paul Wilson says:

      This although quite humorous on reflection is actually tragic and very scary are they to quote Lord Foulkes “Doing this deliberately” thereby proving that the majority of Scots are that thick they can’t do things for themselves. Thankfully the majority of those involved in politics are now in the SNP leaving the illiterate dregs left for the opposition.It doesn’t bare thinking about what mess they would make if they ever do usurp the SNP from office.

    29. David Mills says:

      Of course Labour would be sympathetic to children presented with this question the answer is outside their experience they abstain so much they’ve probably forgotten what a “bill” looks like.

    30. Effijy says:

      You are too unfair Rev.

      For 50 years no one has noted or checked the garbage spouted by our Westminster Party overseers, now you come along and prove beyond reasonable doubt that they are a collective of incompetent greedy imbeciles.

      If you could find a Labour activist, how would they begin to defend such idiotic and childish behaviour.

      Labour really are better to abstain from all votes as there is no possibility of them understanding any Skins, No Bodies, No Bills
      put forward in parliament.

      Please remove these parasites from Scotland’s politics for good.

    31. Ken500 says:

      They absolutely can’t get people to stand. They have so few members. For good reason. A relative small number of ignorant people. Intent on ruining the world economy.

    32. manandboy says:

      ” It is, even now, astonishing to see a British government behave with such indifference to the national interest. Just a couple of years ago, this type of behaviour would have seemed insane. Now it is the type of unhinged self-harming strategy which makes up the day-to-day conduct of Her Majesty’s Government.”

      Vote Independence. Vote SNP.

    33. Patsy Millar says:

      Brilliant Stu, made me laugh out loud but also managed to make serious points.

    34. Graf Midgehunter says:

      It’s a hard choice to know which of the british nationalists are the “Thickest of the Thick” because the competition is so hard fought, with so many eager for the crown.

      Duncan Hothersol does however crave the top spot with the simplicity and utter stupidity in which he, like an exocet rocket, flies into the s**t..! 🙂

      E.g. Prefering to rabbit on about whether vehicles/buses are high-sided vehicles or even vehicles and susceptible to being blown over in high winds or not, he forgets that lorries carry freight and buses carry passengers. Even if shielding is in place it’s logical to first of all protect possible loss of life or injury by restricting buses in abnormal conditions.

      The British Nationalists, red/blue/yellow tories, the premier league of twats. Dunc had better watch his place cos the young turks are after his spot.. 😉

    35. faolie says:

      Thanks for the Friday laugh, Rev. 30kHz. What a hoot. I suppose the dropping of the frequency measure was to make up for the other tweet about the beak question, presumably after his wife smacked him over the head with that night’s tea

    36. defo says:

      If the winners very very good, they get a furry cloak, like flipper & foo.

    37. Ken500 says:

      7,500 new SNP members. Unprecedented.

    38. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      The British Nationalist Labour Party in Scotland.

      Never knowingly doing anything which would benefit Scotland or her people.

      Devolution was to make Scotland their Fiefdom for all time.

      That it has not is the reason for their childish EssEnnPeeBaaaaad Antics.


      More than past the time to “End Scotlands Red Tory Story”

    39. Bob Mack says:

      My cousin was a Labour MP. Denser than depleted Uranium,but a Union official.

    40. Chick McGregor says:

      If it was 30 kHz it would make an ultra sonic sound and would be called the dog-annoying bird rather than the humming bird.

      BTW history repeating:

    41. Arbroath1320 says:

      Apologies for O/T here peeps but Nicola Sturgeon has tweeted earlier today that in the last 48 hours there have been 7,526 new members of the SNP.

      This raises the obvious question in my mind here.

      How many new members have the Tories had?

      How many new members have the Labour party had?

      I’m guessing the answer to both of these questions is NONE and in fact the actual answer to the second question is more likely to be a MINUS number as in people LEAVING the Labour (Abstentionists) party. 😀

    42. Artyhetty says:

      We know that those in positions of power and who are awarded high status, often above their ability, are definitely not the most intelligent or bright people. It’s the same in the art world, and every profession. :-/

      On a serious note, these troughers have an agenda. I know that is crediting them with some kind of intelligence, but they are mostly briefed and schooled (!) :-/ in what to say, how to say it and when to say it. The ‘beak’ comment from Dick Leonard was just a disgrace and Nicola Sturgeon looked fed up with the whole bloody lot of these Britnat time and money wasters, and who could blame her.

      Not sure how First Ministers questions proceeded after the ‘beak’ incident, but it’s obvious that these Britnats are attempting to bring the Scottish parliament down, by bringing up issues that a town council ( maybe like, Leicester?) has to deal with, not a legitimate, parliamentary debating chamber, in a legitimate democratic Nation. They are attempting to de- legitimise the Scottish parliament as they have stared to do with devolution.

      The Britnats tried the ‘one party state’ thing, but that failed, so now they demean and debase our parliament to prepare for when their masters in London take over. They think. They are planning, and plotting all the time, or rather their intelligence are.

      We have to second guess about what is going on behind Britnats’ closed Britnat doors, and stay alert.

      In reality, First Ministers questions should have been about the POWER GRAB, and why wasn’t it? That is the only relevant and most crucial matter, yet was it even mentioned?

      Scotland’s democracy is in peril, stay alert and stay one step ahead.

      Thanks Stuart, and enjoy the football!

    43. Bob Mack says:

      Scottish Labour MP’s once met and spent five hours in studied silence after somebody left orange juice on the tables with “concentrate” printed on the carton.

    44. Artyhetty says:

      Started to do, not stared! 🙂

    45. Macart says:


      That’s quite a number. If memory serves, the Tories had a UK membership of 124k and the SNP in April some 118k. 7.5k new members would officially push the SNP into the second largest party membership in the UK if confirmed.

      Jings. :O

    46. chris says:

      Just a thought on the subject of primary testing. My wee yin took part in P4 testing this year and actually really enjoyed it but didn’t even know it was a test! She thought it was great fun. We had a terrific sit down with her teacher who explained the process and what the results meant. The teacher found it a very useful tool in reinforcing her methods and where she thought her pupils were in their numeracy and literacy development. We chatted with the wee yin before and after about it and everyone was very relaxed about it. If kids are in tears then that is not good, but I would suggest that that COULD say more about the teacher or parents and how it is approached than it does about the actual process.

    47. Cuilean says:

      Photograph of 51 Labour MPs in 1987 (see article above).

      50 men. 1 woman.


    48. Archbishop of Dork says:

      Looks like Daniel Johnson is the E. L. Wisty of Holyrood.

      ‘Did you know the hummingbird flaps its wings 30 000 times a second?’

    49. Breeks says:

      All laughing aside, ordinary people in ordinary jobs would get their marching orders if they wasted company time wittering on about when a bus isn’t a bus, or what’s another word for a bird’s beak. Do you imagine that happens in the Kremlin or the Bundestag? Ok, maybe the Whitehouse…

      These f#*%wits are Scotland’s “management in waiting”, and if by some bizarre set of circumstances or great catastrophe even more profound than Brexit was to see them actually take office, these village idiot No1’s would be running the place in cahoots with the village idiot No2’s in the blue corner.

      Back in the day, folks used to say you could pin a red rosette on a monkey and get it elected for Labour in Scotland. Given the current troop of Labour and Tory clowns and shit stirrers in Holyrood, these days I actually think that monkey could stand as an Independent and win the same seat on merit, integrity, and political acumen.

    50. H Scott says:

      The only qualification normally required to attend a fee paying school is a cheque from your parents. This is why bursaries are so popular, It allows the schools to get charity status and the bursary pupils – chosen on academic merit – boost the schools’ exam success rates. No school can turn the more intellectually challenged into a child genius.

    51. Nana says:


      Some folk on social media are saying the SNP are now the 2nd largest party.
      Also hearing the Tories have lost members, oh dear what a shame 🙂

    52. Ken500 says:

      They also have to take tests for access. No open to all. Competition. Exclusive not inclusive.

    53. Clootie says:

      …and they are doing it deliberately!

      The unfortunate thing is that instead of listening to the people of Scotland and acting on their behalf all of their energy goes into SNPbad.
      This is the best example of their idiotic mindset. Instead of doing the right thing and winning support back they prefer to attack the most popular party in Scotland.
      A party who prefers a tag team agreement with the Tories while they await natural order to be restored.
      A party who has one cunning plan…abstain…abstain..abstain

      The tag Red Tories has been well earned and the Blairites await their chance to shake off any idea or association with socialism.

      The sign above the door still says Labour and the red rosette may still be worn BUT this crowd would be unrecognisable to to a member from the 60s or 70s

    54. Ken500 says:

      If this charade and shambles does not deminish the Tory/unionists. There is no justice. Their e-mail tray must be overflowing. . There is now no effective Westminster governance. Chaos. Just a Brexit barney as predicted. They are going on two month recession in 6 weeks. No effective governance. Back in September. Then more of the same? Until people get totally sick of it. They are making people ill. Sanctioning and starving them. Unbelievable. The liars are getting found out. They always do.

    55. Graf Midgehunter says:

      “‘Did you know the hummingbird flaps its wings 30 000 times a second?’”

      I’d love to see a film of that in ultra slow-motion..!

      Wouldn’t work on brit nat politicians tho – one frame every 30mins, bit like watching glaciers moving. James Kelly msp could donate his brain for research on it.

    56. Archbishop of Dork says:

      Apparently it’s Scams Awareness Month. So tell everyone about what the Tories are doing to Scotland in the EU Withdrawal Bill.

    57. David McDowell says:

      Right, so I guess when Duncan Hothersall said “high-sided vehicles” he only meant less than ten double deck buses, and not ALL high-sided vehicles, which would have involved THOUSANDS of vehicles.

      No sign there then of someone trying to bend the truth to make it look as if the SNP “lied” about potential weather restrictions on the Queensferry Crossing. None whatsoever!

      A perfect example of an ego’s pathetic need to see itself as “correct” at all costs, even if that means making its owner look like a complete and utter fool. Yes, let’s not let silly little things like the facts spoil all that “SNP Bad” fun, eh, Duncan?!

    58. K1 says:


      Protest at Donald Dewar statue between 5 – 7pm tonight…please get the word out to as many folks as possible. Don’t know who is organising it but reliably informed it’s happening.

    59. Dr Jim says:

      There were big waves in the sea and Humza did nuthin

    60. Scottish Steve says:

      I’m amazed they have the brass neck to actually show their face in public after displaying such stupidity. Wasn’t it Abraham Lincoln who said, “better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.” I think our resident unionists should take old Abe’s advice.

    61. galamcennalath says:

      This could suit TMay just fine …

      “EU making preparations for possibility of Brexit being postponed

      Documents and reports show fear that UK will run out of time in talks “

      …. if part of the Tory plan is to try to fudge and delay ‘Brexit clarity’ as close to Holyrood2021 as possible, when they hope to achieve a pro-UK majority.

    62. Archbishop of Dork says:

      More interesting facts a la hummingbird’s wings.

      Ian Liddell-Grainger utters on average 5 highly offensive remarks a minute.

      More than 5 if he’s talking about those pesky Jocks.

    63. Andy-B says:

      Maybe this explains, why the Labour branch office in Scotland cannot see the oncoming cliff with regards to Brexit. They’re just too stupid to see it.

      Support in Scotland for them is slipping away like butter off a hot knife. Although I extend the hand of friendship to those who wish to follow in the footsteps of Mr Foote, come join us and help shape a future independent Scotland.

      It’s the sensible thing to do.

    64. Arbroath1320 says:

      Oh Boy galamcennalath.

      In case you didn’t realise it that earthquake you felt this morning was the eruption of many Brexiteering Tory heads as they read that article. They all want and are demanding Brexit from 29th March 2019. Even the wee “extension” that has already been agreed to causes exploding heads and major nose bleeds amongst Rees-Mogg and his mates.

      This news is going to cause major fractions amongst the already mutli fractured Tory party.

      *grabs popcorn and Irn Bru*

      I’m thinking next week is going to turn into quite an “interesting” week what with:

      1) Sewel Convention debate on Monday
      2) Trade bill debate
      3) PMQ’s ( will it ever be the same after last Wednesday 😉 )
      4) Remain supporting Tories up in arms about promises turning out to be not quite what they thought they were promised
      5) Brexiteers doing the exploding head routine over this news in the Independent

      Let the good times roll! 😀

    65. mumsyhugs says:

      Poor wee hummingbird – at that rate it’s gaunie spontaneously combust! 🙁

    66. Ian McCubbin says:

      Ah glad you are covering the walk out too.

      I (tried in vain) to enlighten some of said unionists and was met with silence even using the same Donald Dewar case from 1987.
      So glad you have covered it.

      Your fame( or is it notoriety )
      may have much more impact than my efforts.

    67. Cactus says:

      Likin’ your 1:25 above Arbroath1320, the…

      Scottish Labour Abstentionist Party.

      It’s all a big slap in the face for their now previous voters.

      Gonna add to that observation… their politicians are all..

      british nationalist slappers.

      Dirty ‘business’.

    68. Ian Anderson says:


      A bit of business news not reported by BBC Scotlandshire, but is on the BBC Technology page.

    69. Arbroath1320 says:

      I totally agree Cactus.

      I have never been a Labour voter but I do have a lot of sympathy for those “old guard” Labour voters.

      It has been interesting over on Twitter recently seeing a number of former Labour members/supporters saying they will never return to Labour ever again.

      I agree with your thoughts about the Abstentionsist party politicians they really are british nationalist slappers.

    70. Cactus says:

      Slap turned in on themselves pure ages ago like.

      Now all their politicians can do is failingly flap.

      The People turn to Yes.

      Mon the byrds!!_Turn!_Turn!

      SO much choice to choose from for tomorrow’s Chris…

    71. Cactus says:

      Hmm, that link doesn’t appear to show what I’ve just seen, The Byrds covered it anyways, twas the lyrics from the song.

      I blame it all on them SLAP politicians.

      They’re pure hummin’.

    72. Ken500 says:

      It is not infeasible to suggest that all these Labour persons took test before 5 years old for admission to their school that they attended. It seems to have clouded their judgement and that has made a lot of people ill. It was Labour that introduced tests. Demanded more tests at a younger age. More attainment and the publishing of school lists results. A unionists device. Kids answers a few question on paper every day. Standard education practice worldwide. Kids who show any fear or stress can be exempt. Testing done another way. Not compulsory for additional needs. Some unionists should go back to school and see what’s happening. They really are quite ignorant.

      The Tories are introducing grammar school, selections and more tests. Stress in schools. Oxbridge are funded 2000 to one with public money of every other university in the U.K. Totally unfair and not inclusive. Allowing former students to go out and ruin the world economy with their paper degrees. Causing stress all over the world. Still nothing is being done about it.

      Daniel Johnston has ADHD. Spoke out about it which must have taken courage. Only diagnosed at 31, which must have been difficult. Might struggle if the question was not phased a different way. Totally conceivable.

    73. Arbroath1320 says:

      Here you go Cactus. 😉

    74. Cactus says:

      Worked it out, me above link doesn’t take the last ‘turn’ exclamation mark with the link, weird, add on a ‘!’ if interested.

      Aye still blame it all on the SLAP politicians, SLAP bad.

      Returning you to the bonehead parade.

    75. galamcennalath says:

      Labour love abstaining. If only they’d abstain when it matters.

      If Labour stayed neutral, out of campaigns in IndyRef2, what a difference that would make.

      It would be Independistas versus BritNat / EngNat Tories – as it should be!

      Still, the way things are going, Labour individuals may begin to sympathise with the Indy, and their hearts won’t be in campaigning for the Tories again.

      The hardcore BritNats within Labour, Broon etc, will nae doot go UKOK again.

      I hold out hope that Labour next time won’t be the force for the Union it was in 2014. That would make a difference.

    76. Bobp says:

      Dr jim 12.54pm .abslab (abstaining labour) in Scotland failed
      generations of kids with their dumbing down of the Scottish education system. Keep the plebs ignorant.

    77. Proud Cybernat says:

      Scotland would face “austerity until doomsday” if the country became independent, former prime minister Gordon Brown has said.

      We’re ALL DOOMED!!!

      DOOMED ah tell yae!!!

      Faroes 50,000 pop can succeed.
      Iceland 500,000 pop can succeed.
      But see you Scotland – YOU’RE JUST SHITE!!! Don’t even THINK that you can be a success like the Faroes or Iceland. BACK IN YOUR BOX.


      BriNats be truly shitting themselves that they’ll lose their shiny Brit Establishment baubles and ermine.

      What a fucking weapons-grade walloper you are, Brown. Take yer scaremongering shite to those that gi’ a fuck. Utter cockwomble.

    78. Andy Anderson says:

      New act at the Palladium this Christmas “the Britnat numpties”

    79. Davo says:

      Thank you Stu – Daniel Johnson’s tweets are the funniest thing I have read for many years. I wonder who “reliably informed” him that the correct answer was “bill”.

    80. Iain says:

      Daniel Johnson says:

      ‘I’ve been reliably informed that ‘bill’ is the right answer.
      But if I as a 40yr old was not confident, what chance does a 5yr old have?’

      I think that the difference is that a five-year-old is able to think outside the box, and a middle-aged Yoon politician isn’t. 🙂

      And, if he was challenged by this, I wonder how he would score in one of the ludicrous British citizenship tests?

    81. Robert Louis says:

      So, yet again, the British Nationalist media have dusted off ‘British Nationalist – in – chief’, Gordon (britin, britin, britin) Broon, to tell Scots that Scotland is the ONLY country in the world unable to run its own affairs.

      What a tawdry specimen of humanity. How did that vow go, that you promised Scotland Gordon?? Seriously, where are we with that ‘as close to federalism as is possible’ that you promised if we all voted no. Oh, I remember, Westminster is actually REMOVING powers from the Scots parliament, and forcibly removing the entire population of Scotland from the EU against its clear wishes.

      And yet still to this day you defend these lying filth in Westminster.

      Gordon Brown and his British nationalist ilk, ‘for london’s gold, they are bought and sold, such a parcel of rogues in a nation’.

    82. Arbroath1320 says:

      Just heard that the Governor General’s office in Lockerbie has been facing a protest by the RMT this morning.

      Hope the Governor General is not planning to travel home to his “Governor Generalship’s” land today … I think he may walk into something he, like most things, cannae handle. 😀

    83. Jack Murphy says:

      Proud Cybernat began at 3:26 pm:
      “Scotland would face “austerity until doomsday” if the country became independent, former prime minister Gordon Brown has said………”

      Here’s John Jappy on Twitter a few years ago:

    84. Breeks says:

      Proud Cybernat says:
      15 June, 2018 at 3:26 pm
      Scotland would face “austerity until doomsday” if the country became independent, former prime minister Gordon Brown has said.

      In fairness, Independence Day isDoomsday for Unionists, so even if the clunking Gordo is correct, we’re talking short term austerity rather than mid to long term.

      So nobody panic, just go back to whatever it was you were doing before you heard about the latest the Brown stuff.

    85. Dan Huil says:

      Just when we thought the dissembling britnat Brown couldn’t get any more repulsive…

    86. Robert Louis says:

      Wow, 7,526 new SNP members in just 48 hours. That is pretty huge.

      You see, SNP leadership, that is the kind of thing people need and want. The media was not telling them about the power grab, most people simply did not know. Their was a media blackout. They do now. And they are angry.

      And well done Iain Blackford from Skye for having the strength of your convictions.

      Keep the gloves off – westminster is a dirty fighter. Let’s make Westminster grind to a halt.

    87. Robert Louis says:

      You too can join the SNP, even if you live in England or Wales.

    88. Robert Peffers says:

      @galamcennalath says: 15 June, 2018 at 12:52 pm:

      “The BritNat benches at Holyrood are indeed very poorly served. The calibre of pro-UK politician leaves a lot to de desired.
      Which is actually very odd. You’d think, when they have a bit of a struggle ahead to preserve their very existence, they might seek out candidates of higher competence.”

      Ah! Yes!, galamcennalath, but I believe I may be able to explain the reason they have not done so by quoting you an example of how their head office in London have operated in the fairly recent past.

      Not so long ago there was a wee spot of bother with the then Labour dominated council in Glasgow. London sent a man up who deselected several sitting councillors and replaced them with candidates chosen by the London Labour head office.

      As a result several of the deselected councillors jumped ship and some even joined the SNP. In the subsequent council elections Labour lost control of Glasgow Council.

      Now it is only my speculation but perhaps Labour Head Office in London secretly want rid of Scottish Labour, who are after all, financed from London and are perhaps seen as a drain upon Labour head office.

    89. Luigi says:

      I am so glad that I stopped voting Labour 30 years ago.

      30 years of unnecessary heartache and disappointment avoided.

      Phew. 🙂

    90. Ken500 says:

      Some people have certainly their tune. Still can’t resist a dig at the SNP, who need all the support they can get. For obvious reasons. A word of thanks might suffice. Don’t transfer anger to the SNP. In a difficult situation. Or it is self defeating, Channel it elsewhere. More healthily. Delivering leaflets or getting involved where possible can help. The tipping point was always going to come the way things were going. Patience is a virtue.

    91. galamcennalath says:

      Robert Peffers says:

      Now it is only my speculation but perhaps Labour Head Office in London secretly want rid of Scottish Labour

      An interesting thought.

      Does that imply that they have given up completely on Scotland and a presence here, becoming an England and Wales only party?

      Or, would it mean closing the local ‘admin’ (i.e. the Scottish branding, the Scottish conference) and simply become a centralised party run from London? They would still put up candidates, but under a UK wide brand. Truth is, that would be more honest.

    92. Luigi says:

      There are now at least two SNP members for every citizen of the independent Faroe Islands.

      Just sayin. 🙂

    93. galamcennalath says:

      Alyn Smith MEP’s weekly take on Brexit events. Always interesting with relevant links …

    94. Ken500 says:

      Gordon Brown can’t even count or read a balance sheet. Refused to take expert relevant advice for which taxpayers were paying £Billions. Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion. He supported crashed the world economy. People are still suffering and dying today because of his action. Gordon Brown is a disgrace. He should have been put in jail. Psycho bastards. Ignorance and corruption.

    95. If you think the labour m.s.p.s are thick what does that say about them who vote for them ???Blair Paterson

    96. Robert Peffers says:

      @Nana says: 15 June, 2018 at 1:03 pm:

      “SNP membership update”

      Good grief, Nana – I’m glad I didn’t have a mouthful of tea when I followed that link you quoted – (and I only just made it to the toilet before piddling).

      The tweets by that Topher McG? were absolutely hilarious. London Labour in Scotland’s quoted figures include their social club members as party members but in some areas of Scotland the local working men’s club is the only real local boozer and local entertainment centre and a great many of the club’s members are not Labour voters.

      One look at the audiences of the British Conservative & Unionist Party conferences in Scotland exposes a few ranks of, rather aged, blue rinsed women with fur coats an nae drawers.

      But that numptie, Topher McG?, is infuriated that the SNP has some members who are not yet old enough to vote – they are, though, excellent at nipping up and down tenement stairs delivering leaflets.

    97. Sandy says:

      Aren’t the VAST majority of opposition MSPs LIST MSPs. Hence, are not the majority of Scottish voters aware of their incapabilities. Shouldn’t they be IQ tested before being allowed in to parliament? Maybe, in the case of males, count up to twenty-one without taking shoes, socks & trousers off: females only shoes & socks

    98. Iain says:

      I wonder how many people know that Scott Arthur’s PhD was on sewage?

      Yes, I know, gives scope for a cheap joke, but you have to reckon he didn’t face a lot of competition from fellow engineering graduates for that particular opportunity to get the doctorate he so persistently emblazons alongside his name. For most PhDs, it’s just something on a CV or an official staff list.

    99. frogesque says:

      Been cleaning out the pond and fitted a new liner today. Found more intelligent life in the gloop than SLab. At least frogs have the sense to jump before a bloody great wader squishes them.

    100. Arbroath1320 says:

      Here’s a wee update to the … erm … update Robert. 😉

    101. Smallaxe says:

      Peckerheids, the lot of them!

      My only surprise is that none of them asked what tune the bird was humming.

    102. Muscleguy says:

      I’m not sure what Daniel Johnson’s degrees might be in but it is unlikely to be a science. At various points in my undergraduate science education the importance of check the units are correct was drummed into us ad nauseum.

      Getting kHz and Hz mixed up (12-80 beats per second is 12-80Hz) is pretty unforgivable in and undergraduate, let alone a qualified double graduate. In the sciences anyway.

      Or perhaps his brain weight is measured in mg.

    103. Welsh Sion says:

      Robert Louis says:
      15 June, 2018 at 3:56 pm

      You too can join the SNP, even if you live in England or Wales.


      You can indeed. Your local Branch is in London. We meet every 2nd Wednesday of the month in Soho and have interesting speakers and various events during the year.

      You don’t have to be Scottish. (I’m not and have been a Member since 2011). You can also be a joint Member of Plaid Cymru, too. (Ditto.)

      Did I say you don’t have to be Scottish, or don’t have to live in Scotland to join the SNP? We in London are the only SNP Branch outside Scotland (other than the one in Brussels).

      Yours, for Scotland and Dros Gymru,

    104. galamcennalath says:

      If we had a media capable of doing it’s real job, they would be running investigative articles explaining why Westminster events have provoked an 8k increase in SNP membership.

    105. Socrates MacSporran says:

      ,Blair Paterson @ 4.21pm

      I fear Blair, you are forgetting that old Scottish tradition: Aye Beenism, as in: “Oor faimly’s aye been Labour, in fact, ma Great-Grand-faither voted Labour, ma Grand-Faither voted Labour, ma faither voted Labour an Ah vote Labour. It’s aye been an’ aye wull be.

    106. Gary45% says:

      Can the hummingbird carry a coconut with its feet? as it obviously has greater wing strength than the swallow or does it?
      Speed vs mass!!

    107. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Hz/Khz. Same thing really when you think about it.

      Other hummingbird facts I read on wikipedia –

      *Hummingbirds are usually to be found in wind tunnels

      *Some hummingbirds live for 50 million years

      *Male hummingbirds do not take part in mating

      *Hummingbirds land on dogs in order to remove the disproportionate amount of water their wings gather

      *Hummingbirds are restricted to flight zones within North and South America, and are subject to hefty fines if they fly outside these zones

      *Hummingbirds make excellent pets as they are more content in cages than in the wild

    108. Valerie says:

      There is another more sinister side to the SLAB IQ deficit, I know, I worked in Scottish councils for 30 years. The more senior I got,the more I had to deal with elected members, from every party, but obviously more Labour, as they dominated in my time.

      The only threats and abuse I received, for doing my job, was from Labour members. I generally handled it on the spot, face to face, telling them I wasn’t paid to take their abuse, and they had to moderate their language/behaviour.

      It was a culture, because it was obvious they bullied your Director, who then bullied you, and then you had to tell them to step off!!

      To be fair, the first person who tried to address the culture was McConnell. There was a huge issue about train staff being physically harassed etc., so he started to push for public services staff to be protected.

      It was very male dominated too, which proved a challenge when a female manager denied them anything.

      It’s much more civilised these days, but I’m sure there are pockets.

    109. Croompenstein says:

      Why oh why do we spend billions on telescopes when it is patently clear that a hummingbird caused this…

    110. Robert Peffers says:

      @Nana says: 15 June, 2018 at 1:39 pm:

      “Some folk on social media are saying the SNP are now the 2nd largest party.”

      Astonishing! Especially as the SNP only stand in Elections in Scotland while all Yoonatic parties are United Kingdom wide for candidates.

    111. Highland Wifie says:

      What a great week it’s been. The BritNats are in total disarray, forced into arguing with bridges and revealing their stupidity at every turn.
      And where’s Ruthie ‘nobody wants another referendum…yadda yadda yadda’ Eh Ruth why have the SNP now got more members than the whole of the U.K. Tory party? Ruth?

    112. Proud Cybernat says:

      SLabour – always moving backwards in Scotland. A bit like a hummingbird then.

    113. Nana says:

      Sorry about that Robert,but you know I like a good laugh 🙂

      Protest happening now

    114. HandandShrimp says:

      “The beak, bill, or rostrum is an external anatomical structure of birds that is used for eating and for preening, manipulating objects, killing prey, fighting, probing for food, courtship and feeding young.”

      First sentence on Wikipedia’s article on beaks. The thought of that chap googling extensively for something that took me 15 seconds is worrying. These people should only be allowed plastic cutlery…they are a danger to themselves and others.

      Richard Leonard’s question must rank as the weirdest I have heard in PMQ/FMQ. Do you think he did it as a dare?

      As for Duncan, well it is only Duncan. Clearly “that fucking bridge gets on (his) nipple ends” 🙂

    115. H Scott says:

      ‘Scotland would face “austerity until doomsday” if the country became independent, former prime minister Gordon Brown has said.’

      Couldn’t believe that when I read it so had to see for myself on STV News website – and yes he said it. Descending into absurdity isn’t going to persuade anyone.

    116. Socrates MacSporran says:

      The terminal stupidity of the British Labour Party in Scotland has surely seldom been better demonstrated by the fact, they are trying to make-out, Small Dick Leonard’s fatuous and stupid opening question yesterday was a case of showing-up the SNP.

      FFS, there are fools, damned fools and the Labour Party.

    117. Sandy says:

      Anyone had a look at the P&J letters page today. Are they funding the SIU by any chance? Maybe the letters’ editor is one of them. I used to find it amusing. Now, it’s got beyond a joke, it’s gone too far. One less reader.

    118. Welsh Sion says:

      I don’t see this on MSM.

      (Translation mine. Original here:

      Brexit: A warning from Wales and Scotland
      June 15, 2018 at 15:06

      The governments of Wales and Scotland have issued a joint letter, raising concerns about the status of European citizens following Brexit.

      The letter calls on ministers to urgently address the impact of the ‘Settlement Plan’ for European Economic Area (EEA) citizens.

      This is a letter to the Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, and signed by the Finance Secretary for Wales, Mark Drakeford, and Foreign Affairs Secretary for Scotland, Fiona Hyslop.

      The letter offers a warning about the “great uncertainty” in Wales and Scotland over the plan.

      “It is quite possible that a significant number of people are at risk of falling out on ‘settled’ status because they fail – or they do not know that they need – to apply,” said the letter.

      “This ongoing lack of detail is a serious issue for our two governments, but also worrying EEA citizens. These citizens are concerned about how Brexit will affect their future, and the future of their families. “

    119. Ken500 says:

      Gordon Brown is probably worrying about the generous, extravagant pension. Having ruined everyone else’s. Criminal. He ensured unionists doomsday austerity. People are now suffering because of it. Thank goodness for the SNP Gov. Trying to mitigate it.

    120. yesindyref2 says:

      Sorry peeps letting you down, this a half hour ago, Murray Foote Murray Foote to hold talk on why he backs independence in a Glasgow church

      book quick and be nice!

    121. Abulhaq says:

      @H Scott
      Gordon Brown, the guy who obligingly helped the City of London to weather that crisis of raw capitalism and dressed up like a waiter to sing the praises of the City institutions.
      His unionism is idolatrous as well as socially divisive. Leave him to offer incense to his base metal ‘Golden Calf’. Sad old man.

    122. Robert Peffers says:

      @Breeks says: 15 June, 2018 at 3:49 pm:

      ” … So nobody panic, just go back to whatever it was you were doing before you heard about the latest the Brown stuff.”

      Now I’m going to have to disagree with you, Breeks. Correctly that, “brown stuff”, you speak about is actually, “Khaki”, or as we call it in lowland Scots, “pure shite”.

      Ah’ll get ma coat!

    123. Sandy says:

      Any update on the petition for the removal of Fluffy Mundell?

    124. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Great turnout at Buchanan St steps –

    125. Calum McKay says:

      labour front, back and side benches in Scotland are as thick as pig shit.

      Apologies to pigs for insulting them!

    126. Sandy says:

      Anyone got an update on the petition for the removal of Fluffy Mundell?

    127. gus1940 says:

      Does anybody have access to the accounts of Gordon Brown’s ‘charity’?

    128. Capella says:

      Well it’s certainly all kicking off now. Good turnout and speeches at the Donald Dewar statue. I hope he was birling in his grave at the total disaster that is the HoC, UK.

      re Richard Leonard – did he not have a distressed hummingbird flapping its wings in the gallery listening intently to Nicola’s answer to his riddle? What a numptie. It must be nearly time for another Labour leaership election.

    129. Welsh Sion says:

      Sandy says:
      15 June, 2018 at 5:57 pm


      Anyone got an update on the petition for the removal of Fluffy Mundell?

      Here you go, Sandy. Note it’s a 38 Degrees thing

    130. Hamish100 says:

      I know this is purile and petty but could the MSP’s next week start humming when Leonard gets up to speak!! Happy to donate some bird seed to the labour party with a litter tray. Would at least make me smile.
      I also have some old corgi model cars, buses and lorries in the loft. Happy to donate for an exhibition at Holyrood to help the bri nats recognise the difference.

      To any Labour supporter who is a patriot Scot. Join us.

    131. Rumour has I that Labour have a 2 part test for any hopefuls wishing to become politicians.
      They hold a small mirror up to your nose; if it mists over, you’re in. If it doesn’t, you are pencilled in to become the next Branch Manager of the North part of the UK.

    132. Elaine says:

      As buses still use the old bridge, perhaps Duncan was highlighting the fact that high sided vehicles could still cross via the Queensferry Crossing whereas they would have been prevented from doing so on the old bridge.

    133. seanair says:

      Well, well, STV News is not aware that there is anything going on in Westminster. A bunch of tiny shows filling up their 15 minutes.
      I don’t watch the BBC, but I’ll now stop watching STV. Hope they go down.

    134. Cactus says:

      The Scotland National Party are an international party.

      The party of and for international Scotland.

      They offer us independence.

      Take it.

      Surges all round… SNP membership, WingsScotland twitter followers, can’t wait to learn of the latest Wings Over Scotland unique readership stats.

      Must be either side of 400,000 now like.

    135. Robert Peffers says:

      galamcennalath says: 15 June, 2018 at 4:13 pm:

      ” … Does that imply that they have given up completely on Scotland and a presence here, becoming an England and Wales only party?”

      Not really, in fact the, “Man from London”, thing has been done lots of times but the public were not made aware of Labour’s headquarters actions. There really is no such party as, “Scottish Labour”, registered in the United Kingdom.

      Here is a, very long, list of the registered political parties in the United Kingdom – some of them will surprise you:-

      It is a very long URL but should be clickable.

      What describes itself as “The Scottish Labour Party”, is not a registered political party but is described as, “A Labour Party Accountancy Unit”.

      Matter of fact you will have a very hard job Googling to find out an address for Labour headquarters. Looks to me as if they don’t want the public to know where Labour’s headquarters are.

      In fact it seems to be:-

      105 Victoria St, Westminster, London SW1E 6QT

      Laughably a simple Google for, “Labour Party Head Office”, returns an address in Tranent in Scotland. You really just have to laugh.

      Whereas a Google for SNP headquarters returns this:

      Gordon Lamb House, 3, Gentle’s Entry, Edinburgh EH8 8PJ.
      believe it or not there is a registered Political Party called. “Abolish the Scottish Parliament Party”.

      You wouldn’t believe some of the parties on that list but there is no such party as The Scottish Labour Party, among them.

    136. Ken500 says:

      Gordon Brown took £Billions of taxpayers money out of Scotland to pay for illegal wars, tax evasion and financial fraud. Harming and killing millions of innocent, vulnerable people. Caused the worse migration crisis in Europe since 11WW. Doomsday, Leaving the world in despair and austerity. He is a disgrace. An insult. Never any redemption or apology. So is the paper that is printing this nonsense. Complicit.

    137. Welsh Sion says:

      With new Members of the SNP in the last 48 hours heading north of 8 000, does the Prime Minister of this Disunited Kingdumb *still* believe what she said a few days ago, that the Party was “out of touch’? If she was rattled then, she must be suffering from the beejbers, now.

      And this latest moronic behaviour by Christopher Chope in blocking the anti-upskirting law for England and Wales (apparently the offence already exists in Scotland as an act of voyeurism) is doing the Tories no favours at all, either. (Not as if we care …)

      And is Ruthie playing hide and seek? So much for the mainstream media’s darling. She’s gone to ground somewhere, no doubt.

      Who is out of touch now? Roll on the forward march to independence and serve a knock-out punch to the Unionistas. You can tell we have them on the ropes – only a little more time yet before May et al throw in the towel.

    138. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Sandy at 5.38

      The P&J is the most virulent of our press enemies and has been so for many years

      The Daily Record today is a keeper. Get out and buy one. Front page,editorial, four pages inside all with us all the way.

    139. AndyMcKangry says:

      There surely must be someone in the “Labour” movement who is not a thick as fuck, petty minded, british nationalist who find this sort of thing as embarrassingly cringe worthy as we all do. OR are they all so blinded by their hatred of one particular political party that they are happy to constantly do the bidding of their colonial masters against the interests of our country.
      If there are lets here from YOU, cause if we don’t then it must be assumed that you are all thick fuckwits.
      Come on Henry, I know you’re out there somewhere and this must piss you off, surely???

    140. Cactus says:

      Independence is trending 🙂

    141. Lenny Hartley says:

      Brilliant video doing rounds on facebook, cant share but it shows our Govener General Fluffy raking through his beard for a titbit and scoffing it, nobody tell hin thatvwe higly subsidise his luxurious canteen? Last time I saw behaviour like that it was in an Attenborough program!

    142. Robert Louis says:

      Here’s hoping that Portugal beat fascist Spain tonight.

    143. Robert Peffers says:

      @galamcennalath says: 15 June, 2018 at 4:19 pm:

      “Alyn Smith MEP’s weekly take on Brexit events. Always interesting with relevant links …”

      Aye! galamcennalath, and if the SMSM and BBC Scotland were to publish/broadcast such information they just might have their shrinking user bases at least stop shrink further.

      Alyn is a mine of information and a great insight into just how hard our elected SNP really do work.

    144. TheItalianJob says:

      @Robert Peffers at 6.57pm

      Too right ref Alyn Smith. A very smart individual with good blogs and rhetoric.

      Who can forgot his speech after the U.K. EU referendum where he received a standing ovation in the EU parliament.

    145. K1 says:

      Chris Stephens MP talking to Indylive earlier at the Buchanan Street protest, for those who may have missed this:

    146. Marie Clark says:

      Jeez oh! Who let Broon oot o’ his crypt. Austerity till doomsday, zat right Gordon,aye. Your a useless, lying spent force, now kindly feck off and keep oot o’ Scotlands business. England’s your country so gie the rest o’ us peace ya walloper.

      Somebody earlier today refered to the accounting branch as abs/lab, as in abstaining labour. Sorry I can’t remember who it was that coined the phrase, but well done. I like that.

    147. Arbroath1320 says:

      Sorry for going O/T here. 😉

      Please try and keep your “chortles” down to a dull roar if possible.

      thank you. 🙂

    148. Macart says:

      @Marie Clark

      Yet another Broontervention? Seriously?

      Whenever I hear of the fella images of the ‘Hey! You there!’ meme comes to mind.

      I think Brown has caused enough carnage in people’s lives. I don’t think Scotland can stand much more of his…helpful advice.

    149. jfngw says:

      You can see Mr Johnson’s confusion, he mixed up the wing frequency with the Labour policy changes frequency. Easy to misread your handouts. Bit of advice for him, stick to normal procedures and allow BBC Scotland to read your handouts.

    150. TheItalianJob says:

      @Marie Clark and Macart

      Have to agree with both of you on “Paw Broon”. Utter charlatan.

      To think I come from the same town he grew up in (Kirkcaldy) he makes me sick whenever he comes out with his contemptuous lies about Scotland.

      The man is a disgrace to Scotland and it’s people.

      He should just shut up and crawl back under the stone lives in because no one is listening to him anymore.

    151. Croompenstein says:

      Oh No, not more of the Broon stuff..

      The broon coo’s broken oot it’s eatin aw the hiy!!

    152. There will be no SCO passport for Gordon Brown in an independent Scotland,

      he will be booted out never ever to return,ever.

    153. Robert Peffers says:

      @H Scott says: 15 June, 2018 at 5:21 pm:

      “Couldn’t believe that when I read it so had to see for myself on STV News website – and yes he said it. Descending into absurdity isn’t going to persuade anyone.”

      Ah! I see your problem, Scott, you didn’t realise that Broon wasn’t addressing his views for your benefit but for the declining numbers of remaining supporters who believe in the, now very much disunited, United Kingdom. When you watch FMQs and realise just how very pathetic the leadership of the yoonatics really is then you realise Broon has to keep things very much to a very simple and pathetic level.

      What that brainless idiot, Leonerd didn’t say, and probably didn’t know, was that the question put to the children was in the form of a multiple choice question :-

      Q: The Humming Bird has a thin beak. What is another word for beak?

      A1: Skin.

      A2: Bill.

      A3: Body.

      Now just how stressful would that question be as posed to a school aged child when put in that manner?

      I’ll tell you this much – if any of my kids, when school age, had been unable to answer that multi-choice question I’d have been taking them to see a Doctor. Yet that numptie Leonard obviously though it was far to challenging. I wonder what HIS personal I.Q. is if he thought it over taxing.

    154. Peter Macleod says:

      I had the misfortune to catch a couple of minutes of FMQs yesterday. For the life of me I cannot understand how the unionists are so frigging useless.

      In this era, to think you can utter mince like Leonard did without being found out is so utterly moronic it’s hard to quantify. And then to have his party representatives try to back it up with what turns out to be highly amusing suggestions of how difficult the question is, and it’s not even the bloody question that was actually asked in the first place?

      I have said it repeatedly elsewhere; the SNP are not exceptional political giants. They’re bloody amazing in the Scottish political landscape though; because they are utterly blessed by the standard of their political opposition. It’s easy to be a giant when all your opponents are tiny.

      Dead from the neck up? Still capable of speech and looking alive? Join a Scottish based Unionist party branch office today!

      I mean, they can’t all be idiots. It’s just not feasible for that many people to have risen to the top of the branch office by chance… is it?

    155. yesindyref2 says:

      Murray Foote thing sold out (it was free).

    156. twathater says:

      Stu methinks Labour’s dumbasses in Scotlands brains are suffering from a hummingbird problem when food is scarce which is ( torpor, a state similar to hibernation )

      The only thing is liebour’s dumbasses in Scotland seem to be suffering this problem continuously

      Not only is Scotland’s vast resources being stolen by a shower of rabid parasitical tory barstewards they are being actively helped by these educational fcukwits

      As for Daniel Johnson if I were ANYTHING to do with Stewart’s Melville college ,St Andrews Uni ,or Strathclyde Uni I would immediately disassociate our establishments from this eejit

      I usually watch FMQs on a Thursday and can honestly say , I as a Scotsman cringe with embarrassment when I see the individual brit nat parties representatives being televised

    157. Daddyo says:

      Can’t remember who said it but
      “Big enough, rich enough,smart enough and had enough “
      That should be on billboards.

    158. Big Jock says:

      The question the electorate should be asking the Scottish Tories. Why are you even there in Holyrood. Are they like Farage, sitting in a parliament they want to abolish!

    159. Big Jock says:

      Well Broony we have news for you. The austerity coming to RUK following Brexit is 10 times worse than any independent Scotland would ever suffer. The difference is we elect the government. It’s democracy this is about ya fanny not money.

    160. jfngw says:

      Unionist are definitely panicking, they have now wheeled out Davros Brown to remind us that Scotland is shite and we should remember this, fact as laid down in the tablets handed down from his father. These tablet declare that the nation of Scotland is such that it can never be a successful nation like other similar nations, it appears the genetic prophecy of The Lamont is in the scriptures.

    161. Welsh Sion says:

      Big Jock says:
      15 June, 2018 at 8:57 pm

      The question the electorate should be asking the Scottish Tories. Why are you even there in Holyrood. Are they like Farage, sitting in a parliament they want to abolish!

      Same question we in Wales should ask of National Assembly for Wales AMs who sit under the UKIP flag (currently disintegrating into factions at a speed of knots, praise be), or your electorate thinking of unloved “I-ate-all-the-pies” Coburn as a Scottish MEP!

    162. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      K1 @ 19:10,

      Thanks for the heads-up on the flash protest today.

      Great to hear some real fighting talk from SNP MPs. They were mentioning that they weren’t at all sure how people would react to their walkout. Well, now they know!

      Popcorn time is just starting in the HoC. Get your front seats now!

      How poignant too, standing by first FM Donald Dewar’s statue while on the same day Broon just can’t help but sully the remainder of his own declining reputation by spouting more arrant and insulting shite.

      Soon we’ll just be laughing at him.

    163. twathater says:

      Bob Mack 1.28 pm Bob you owe me a new keyboard , I just had this mental picture braw man braw

    164. Simon Curran says:

      No real surprises with Labour’s senseless. This is the party that couldn’t even spell Keir Hardie correctly.

    165. Simon Curran says:

      Previous post should have read ‘denseness’. At least I can blame the autcorrect function.

    166. jfngw says:

      I know that after independence the choice of who you vote for may change. But can anybody seriously imagine Davidson, Leonard or Rennie negotiating the post indy deal with Westminster, we truly would be doomed as predicted by Broon.

      Anyway after the Declaration of Mundell 2018, are we still sovereign or has he declared himself infallible and over-ridden the 1320 declaration. Or is he merely deranged enough to think he has this power.

    167. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      jfngw @ 22:02,

      He’s the little puppet Pinnochio whose strings are showing and whose nose is growing longer by the day.

      The Tory UKGov’s chief useful idiot.

      He’s so spineless and pathetic that I imagine everyone in the Tory Cabinet laughs at him behind his back.

    168. Big Jock says:

      It’s pretty simple how we proceed now. May will refuse a section 30. We will have a referendum without a section 30. The yoons will try and boycot this and call it illegitimate. All we have to make sure is that 51% of eligible voters turn out and vote yes. It’s only illegitimate if yes doesn’t achieve 51% of the eligible voters. WM will not have a leg to stand on internationally, and we proceed to dissolve the union.Must be carried out by March 19.

    169. Les Wilson says:

      Well Gordo is back to his doom laden best.
      This is the ex Chancellor who had to get an accountant to do his
      tax return for him.

      Would anyone buy a second hand car from him? However an ex car salesman may have been more appropriate. Truthfully, after the last Indy ref, who in their right mind would believe anything he says.

    170. Tackety Beets says:

      Apologies if already posted.

      An updated Q sheet , S Lab version

      I’m sorry to admit Ian Gray was in my class @ School & a reunion is planned for this summer.There are a few confirmed from Edinburgh & I’m hoping he shows up. LOL

      He was never the brightest light on the tree.

      I remember AS trying to get support for his Budget & IG was challenging AS on the 25K supported apprentice places and was using the excuse that 25K was not nearly enough therefore IG could not support the Budget. AS reminded IG that his(Slab) budget/manifesto had only 5K Supported Apprentice Places.
      What a tyoooob!

      To think IG was a qualified teacher FFS, a disgrace to the profession.

    171. David P says:

      A friend of mine sent me this yesterday by text. Never was a truer statement made:

      “It is the sole function of the Labour party [in Scotland] to impose English Tory governments on Scotland.”

    172. jfngw says:

      Big Jock

      Achieving 51% of total electorate actually requires what would be 60% of a turnout of the 85% as per last referendum. We are back in 1979 territory in effect that those who never vote and the dead will be counted as no voters.

      We need to say it is 51% of what a normal turnout would be, the last was 85%. I would suggest anything over 45% of total electorate is a valid yes vote, that’s equates to about 52% of the 2014 turnout.

      It may be better to use a method that forces them to vote, what that method is I’m not sure.

    173. Kangaroo says:

      Jfngw @ 11:57pm

      I venture to suggest that Scots Law would provide that:-

      We only need 1 more Yesser than Noers of the people who turn out to vote. That’s the way elections work. Stay at home means you are happy with any outcome, it does not mean you are a No.

      If the britNats boycot indyref2 then so much the better.

      I await correction by Robert Peffers

    174. Fred says:

      Anent Donald Dewar statue last night, a fair turnout at such short notice but the sound system used is woefully inadequate. I used to attend mass-meetings where there were no microphones & speakers just raised their voices. A lost art!

    175. Blind Squirrel says:

      This highlights why we can’t be independent, too many stupid Scots.

    176. Cairnallochy says:

      Noticed Scott Arthur berating the SNP in the Edinburgh Evening News, for its PFI policy. Further proof that a Professoral title is no indicator respect for evidence and a capacity for rational thought.

      Prof Arthur’s one – eyed and repetitive outbursts remind me essentially of the more puerile student politics of my youth. I reckon that all of us could probably write a convincing imitation of a Scott Arthur letter. With SA and one or two others in the Scotsman pages, I have often though that one could run a “write – a – like” competition ( in the vein of the reported David Francey “soundalike” of yesteryear.

      BTW, it was once claimed that David Francey entered such a competition on holiday but only came 5th.

    177. Cairnallochy says:

      Apologies for editing lapses – had to finish quickly to sort out domestic electrical malfunction.

    178. jfngw says:


      It’s not Scots Law that is the issue but being recognised internationally. Too low a turnout will result in it being ignored.

      If 51% was achieved as suggested by Big Jock then it is 100% valid, no arguments. I was just highlighting the problems of achieving this as I would suggest around 30% are died in the wool Unionists. That would require that we have to get 80% of the rest to say yes and actually go out and vote. People can be inherently lazy and not go because they feel the result is already in the bag.

    179. jfngw says:


      An example of this laziness is the Scottish UKIP MEP. UKIP voters all turned out, the rest of the Scots didn’t care enough to stop them.

    180. Gary says:

      And these are some of the reasons why Holyrood is not taken as seriously as it should be.

      Instead of asking incisive questions about policy, putting forward ideas and trying to get cross party agreement to further things in their own agenda which may coincide with those of SNP or other parties THIS is the absolute garbage point scoring (but not ACTUALLY scoring any points) mince they come up with.

      Money for nothing, wastrels…

    181. HeehawBaws says:

      I’m still not convinced by the derision being whipped up over the Daniel Johnson tweet. You’ve stopped using the rather misleading tweet mock-up picture, which is good, but the article is still written based on the assumption that he’d seen the question and therefore “thought people might refer to the pointy bit at the front of a bird’s face as either its skin or its body”.
      As far as I can tell he’s gone through the exact same thought process I did based on Richard Leonard’s ploy and I consider myself in good company when the First Minister also didn’t immediately commit to ‘bill’ due to the way the question was put.
      To me, this is great ammunition for anyone who wants to accuse Wings of being dishonest.

    182. beflox says:

      It’s funny … a year or so ago I got so wound up by the utter stupidity of Scottish politics that I made a choice to stop following it. Just came back … nothing has changed.

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