The people (of England) have spoken, and their elected representatives are freaking out all over the shop.
Several senior Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs have openly called for the result of a democratic referendum to be overturned by Parliament against the wishes of voters. The Prime Minister has quit, the Chancellor is expected to follow on Monday, and half of the Labour shadow cabinet is apparently doing it as we speak, after Jeremy Corbyn fired Hilary Benn for planning a coup.
(Apparently including Ian Murray, the shadow Scottish Secretary who’s also the only Scottish Labour MP at Westminster, putting the party in the farcical position of having to find itself a spokesman on Scottish affairs who either sits in an English or Welsh seat or is an unelected lord.)
Labour MPs are also demanding Corbyn’s head, in essence for the crime of his being hugely popular with the party’s membership for reflecting the old-fashioned left-wing ideology and views that they actually believe in, rather than the “moderate” neo-Tory position of Blairite parliamentarians. Corbyn shows no sign of going.
It’s been suggested that the Scottish Parliament could in fact block any attempt by the UK to leave (though it seems unlikely). Britain faces a future without Milky Way Magic Stars. UK politics, to put it mildly, is in chaos. So what the hell’s going on?
Scotland (overwhelmingly) and Northern Ireland (less so) have voted to stay in Europe while England (decisively) and Wales (narrowly) have voted to leave. Northern Ireland has its own choices to make, but Scotland must now hold a second referendum.
The game just changed, readers. We’ve been up all night. We’ll have some analysis for you in a few hours. For now, spend a few moments pondering who the “narrow nationalists” and “separatists” in the UK are.
We know it’s early doors, but we’re going to state with some confidence now that this is the Tweet Of The Night:
Yes, that really is Tim Stanley, leader writer of the Telegraph, complaining about being up against the British establishment in a referendum. (In which Leave was supported by, among others, the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, and the Daily Express – the #1, #2, #4 and #6 best-selling newspapers in the country – along with around half of the MPs of the governing party.)
For extra fun, we might collect some of his indyref tweets later. But to the very best of our recollection, he didn’t consider the Yes campaign’s 45% – which really WAS achieved against the entire British establishment, without a single daily newspaper’s support – as a “moral victory”.
(Part of a fairly major volte-face by Harris on who should control what in Scotland, but let’s not get into that right now.)
On the face of it, this is a perfectly feasible possibility, since devolution was set up on a “reserved list” basis – any issues not specifically reserved to Westminster are devolved to the Scottish Parliament. In theory this would indeed mean that powers over farming and fishing would revert to Holyrood automatically upon exit from the EU.
(And even that view is conditional on whether you consider Scottish independence the most important political goal of your life. If it’s more important to you to be out of the EU than out of the UK then clearly you’ll be voting Leave and there’s nothing we could say that would change your mind.)
But what if you happen to be a supporter of Scottish independence who DOESN’T live in Scotland? What then?
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Alf Baird on Holiday Relief: “What does this colonial conference tell us? What we see is precisely as Fanon suggested: the dominant national party seeks…” Jun 17, 15:14
Mark Beggan on Holiday Relief: “The Timothy Leary of Scottish politics. Take the trip to Caledon.” Jun 17, 15:02
agent x on Holiday Relief: “” Swinney continued: “Today, you’ve heard something of my answer, something of my ambition for Scotland. “It is a vision…” Jun 17, 14:37
Jim Thomson on Holiday Relief: “You do realise that you’ve gifted JK (no, not the Harry Potter one) with his next slur piece? It’ll be…” Jun 17, 14:37
100%Yes on Holiday Relief: “Grok, might even get into conversation with our people, what a thought. A real AI wanting to communicate and discuss…” Jun 17, 13:58
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Eric on Holiday Relief: “An attempt by Redactable John to avoid being Jilted John. Has he ever delivered anything noteworthy? “Reach” sounds very subjective.…” Jun 17, 13:32
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Lewis Moonie on Holiday Relief: “Within reach? I wish. Depends how long his arms are I suppose.” Jun 17, 13:09
PhilM on Holiday Relief: “I’ve got to say I’m feeling bereft today. I had great expectations for Walter White look-alike John Swinney but reading…” Jun 17, 12:47
Jim Bo on Holiday Relief: “Impressive AI summary that. Are you sure you didn’t write it Stu?” Jun 17, 12:39
auld highlander on Holiday Relief: “A bowl of cold porridge has more charisma.” Jun 17, 12:25
Peter S on Holiday Relief: “John – bless him! – is either fibbing or deluded (or both!)” Jun 17, 12:15
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Ian on Holiday Relief: “I, for one, welcome Grok over Scotland as our new overlord.” Jun 17, 12:06
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James Barr Gardner on Holiday Relief: “John Swinney up there in the charisma stakes with Blair Jenkins……….remember him……lol…” Jun 17, 11:44
Ian McCubbin on Holiday Relief: “Sorted enjoy your walk Stu.” Jun 17, 11:43
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robertkknight on Holiday Relief: “Swinney…not waving, but drowning.” Jun 17, 11:05
TURABDIN on Holiday Relief: “«VISION….modern, dynamic and forward looking» …flatliningly dull AI text for sure. Its all in the training. YOU THINK SWINNEY BORING?…” Jun 17, 11:04
Xaracen on Let’s Not Make Some Plans: “Aidan, there was no automatic rejection of Scotland’s petition. The JPTI submissions specific to Scotland were acknowledged at the 2025…” Jun 17, 10:59
joolz on Holiday Relief: “‘Sitcom punchline’indeed. Perfect analogy.” Jun 17, 10:57
agent x on Holiday Relief: ““In a proposed keynote speech, Swinney said: “It is only by taking charge of our own destiny, with our own…” Jun 17, 10:56
Dave on Holiday Relief: “‘Holiday Relief’ ‘We’re off for a wa*k.’ ‘Sounds about right to us.’ ” Jun 17, 10:44
duncanio on Holiday Relief: “It’s all about visions for Swinney. Blurred vision that is. There is nothing about HOW independent statehood will be realised…” Jun 17, 10:31
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