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Posted on October 23, 2018 by

On the face of it, this stuff is like shooting fish in a barrel.

But let’s treat it with more dignity than it deserves and hear her out.

Indeed. We completely agree that democracy doesn’t end after any single vote, and that people have the right to change their minds if circumstances alter.

We’re just a bit confused about who or where the Kezia Dugdale who said this is:

Because we’re reasonably sure that a second EU referendum would be “divisive”. That’s sort of the purpose of all referendums, after all. We’re fairly certain that – especially if it had a different outcome to the first one – the reaction would be… well, let’s put it mildly and say “heated”.

But Dugdale doesn’t even seem to know what sort of a vote it is she wants. In the Evening News article she says:

“You should get to endorse or reject the deal the government has negotiated on your behalf. That’s if the government can secure a deal at all. In the event of no deal, a People’s Vote is even more compelling because the UK Government will have failed us all.”

But that’s empty gibberish describing a number of wildly different possible situations. What does it actually mean? What goes on the ballot paper? What happens if the government comes up with a deal and voters reject it? The fallback option there is that the UK crashes out of the EU disastrously with no deal, which we imagine isn’t what Dugdale wants at all.

What she really wants, of course, is a straight re-run of the in-out vote. That’s why at the weekend she said voters should be given “the opportunity to remain in the EU”.

But what are the grounds for that? That Brexit isn’t currently looking like we were told it would look? How is that different to the “deal” Scots were promised in 2014?

After Scotland voted No, negotiations in the form of the Smith Commission took place and a “deal” – although it was more of an imposed settlement, with the UK government rejecting over 100 amendments from SNP and Labour MPs – was laid down in the form of the Scotland Act 2016, which was given royal assent on 23 March of that year despite the SNP expressing deep dissatisfaction with its final form.

The promises plainly haven’t been kept. Nobody could possibly claim with a straight face that “other regions of the UK [have been] handed equal status to Westminster”, four years and two governments after the vote. And equally plainly, circumstances have changed dramatically. Scotland was promised that a No vote would keep it in the EU, and the opposite is happening.

The infamous “Vow” of 2014 was so woolly and nebulous that nobody could fairly say whether it had been upheld or not, but the Scottish public’s response to the Scotland Bill was lukewarm at best, with only a quarter of voters (including well under half of No voters) believing that the pre-referendum promises had been honoured:

Just six weeks after the Bill’s assent, a Scottish Parliament election was held in which the SNP secured more seats than the three Unionist parties put together (and a bigger share of the vote than any UK government has achieved since 1970), on a manifesto explicitly claiming the right to hold a second independence referendum in the event of Scotland voting to stay in the EU but being dragged out by the rest of the UK – the very thing that occurred just another seven weeks later.

So to recap:

1. There was a vote on independence.

2. There was a deal, which voters were unimpressed with.

3. One party said the deal was terrible.

4. That party overwhelmingly won an election a few weeks later.

5. That party’s manifesto called for a new vote if certain circumstances arose, which they did just a few more weeks later.

6. The Scottish people, by a consistent two-to-one margin, support the right of the Scottish Parliament rather than the UK one to decide whether that new vote should take place, and that Parliament has already passed a vote on the subject calling for a new referendum.

And yet despite all these clear justifications, Kezia Dugdale implacably opposes giving the Scottish people a say on the deal. On the EU referendum, conversely:

1. There was a vote on EU membership.

2. There’s been no deal yet.

3. Nobody knows if any eventual deal will be a bad one.

4. The only election since the vote resulted in a hung parliament.

5. In any event, NO party’s manifesto in that election had called for a repeat of the vote, and even now neither of the parties which could win any future UK election has a new referendum as its policy.

And yet Kezia Dugdale bewilderingly thinks that in that case there IS a mandate to give the people a(nother) say, even though – unlike in Scotland – there is absolutely no identifiable sense in which they could be adjudged to have asked for one.

We honestly wish we could report the news differently, folks. It causes us actual pain to have to write this stuff down, because to anyone with an IQ over 20 the arguments made by the likes of Kezia Dugdale are such obviously, stupendously, absurdly hypocritical, intelligence-insulting dribbling cretinous nonsense that anyone willing to put their name to them should probably be in some sort of secure care facility for their own protection and the safety of those around them.

But that’s where we are. God help us all.

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    1. Luigi says:

      Kezia and her BritNat Lab chums would never support a second Indy referendum. But she would of course support a third Indy referendum, if, heaven forbid, the second one returns a YES majority. There are no double standards here, no stupidity, no blatant disregard for the people with this stance, if you have a BritNat frame of mind. It’s perfectly reasonable when viewed from the dark side, you see. 🙂

    2. Merkin Scot says:

      It has been said that ‘they’ can either have the Union or Brexit but not both.
      I think it is possible ‘they’ will end up with neither.

    3. RyMc says:

      Pot calling kettle black are we Kezia? HYPOCRITE!

    4. Muscleguy says:

      It just shows how much contempt SLAB and Kezia have for Scottish voters. Despite coming third in the last two Holyrood elections they still haven’t learned that this pish just turns voters off and is in stark contrast to ScotGov.

    5. Dr Jim says:

      This announcement is not for viewers in Scotland who will have their own programme

    6. Wulls says:

      Poor Kez……. She doesn’t know if her arse is punched, bored or reamed as long as it’s SNP bad. I wonder who she blames for the Glasgow council strikes ?? V

    7. John Jones says:

      same old rubbish being spouted by usual crowd, watched McTernan being interviewed by the prat in the hat on RT at the weekend.Same stuff, we’d have to accept the Euro, too wee, too poor etc.
      Just wait until the fishing gets shafted again, the farmers lose their subsidies. they’ll be screaming for a hard border between us and England when it hits them in the pocket.
      Unfortunately we’ll have to suffer with them, when oh when will the ones who can’t see further than their noses wake up and see what we can be?
      Please God lift the scales from their eyes as was told in the Bible.

    8. Shug says:

      Just watched the bbc national news give 5 min to the glasgow womens strike without mentioning once, that the labour party have since 2000 been fighting against equal pay and this was the same in every other labour controlled area. Also no mention of the unions that protected labourby NoT supporting the women until there was a natioalist council

    9. Auld Rock says:

      Wulls, we said, punched, bored or coonter-sunk but reamed, OK.

    10. frogesque says:

      And what of wee Willie Whastsisface and the rest of the LibDems spouting similar nonsense?

      Put all this shite in a box, send in an orbit round Pluto and when it returns in X year’s time see if anything other than alien lifeforms has developed.

      Even nonsense rhymes make more sense.

    11. Q. says:

      Only one party in Scotland has an actual mandate, yet the other parties (consistently rejected by the Scottish electorate) claim some sort of moral superiority due to their allegiance to their English masters.
      It’s a grim state of affairs, and no amount of scenery or fresh air makes it any more palatable.

    12. manandboy says:

      Outstanding, Stu. A masterpiece.

      We’ll support you evermore. Have you thought of marketing a Stu-Wings scarf? I’d wear one all the time!

    13. manandboy says:

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2018/oct/20/peoples-vote-march-london-second-referendum-brexit-live?

      “Nobody has a mandate to take the UK out of the EU in a manner which is completely different to what was promised in the referendum campaign in 2016.”

      And, nobody has a mandate to keep Scotland in the Union in a manner which is completely different to what was promised in the Indy14 referendum campaign in 2014.

    14. Geordie says:

      What on earth kind of discussions take place in the Dugdale household with her SNP partner? Because if my partner was spouting such mind-blowing hypocrisy and political diarrhea as this then I’d have chucked her long long ago.

    15. manandboy says:

      As for Ms Dugdale, I know the Rev has a special place for her in his heart, but as a rule, the mutterings of someone who consistently demonstrates a need for mental health advice and support, really should not command this level of attention in the media. Mocking the afflicted, m’lud. But I concede it is a fine judgement.
      So just fire ahead, Stu.

    16. Robert Peffers says:

      @Auld Rock says: 23 October, 2018 at 2:21 pm:

      … we said, punched, bored or coonter-sunk but reamed, OK.”

      After 50 years in the Ship refit/repair industry I have to point out that it is often the correctly recommended method for heavy projects to punch, bore, ream and, if necessary to final fit by use of engineers blue and scraping off high spots.

      Might I suggest, in this particular case, the procedure should adopt the whole process but omit the countersinking as it is not strictly required. Unless, of course, actually being, (cough!), screwed.
      ;-))

    17. galamcennalath says:

      Superb appraisal of the perverse situation Scotland finds itself in. And, focus on those who try to keep us there.

      When circumstances change dramatically, the democratic process requires that voters be allowed to reassess their position and make their views known to government.

      Further information:- This offer only applies to England and Wales.

      The really big question is, why are Scots like Kezia Dugdale so obsessed with the democratic rights of England and Wales, but go out of their way to undermine democracy in Scotland?

      Answers on a postcard to Labour Party in Scotland, 290 Bath Street, Glasgow.

    18. Vestas says:

      She’s utterly facile and completely self serving.

      I obviously missed out the venal part as she is/was/who knows (or cares) “Scottish Labour” so that goes without saying.

    19. Macart says:

      They speak fluent hypocrite you know. That’s a talent. I suppose.

    20. Bill Purves says:

      It seems Scottish hill farmers have already lost their E.U. subsidies to Westminster.

    21. geeo says:

      Dugdale on QT just 2 weeks ago said it all.

      Paraphrased version…

      Earlier.

      Dugdale. : Brexit…super awful…sh*t for jobs …sh*te for Scottish economy….brexit bad bad bad…”

      Dimbleby. : so, if there is no deal and brexit is even more bad terrible, would you THEN back independence ?

      Dugdale: No…i like Unions !!!

      ……..

      Dugdale in a nutshell right there.

    22. Henry Gough-Cooper says:

      I suppose it’s fair to say that the majority of Scots voted ‘No’ on a fairly detailed prospectus (even if few may have read it), whereas the UK voted ‘Leave’ on no kind of prospectus whatsoever, just a few vague slogans. But, yes, circumstances have changed dramatically since 2014, and none of the promises made in the last week before the vote have been kept.

    23. dakk says:

      @Geordie

      ‘What on earth kind of discussions take place in the Dugdale household with her SNP partner?’

      Can only posit that SM must come into it somewhere.

    24. admiral says:

      Shug says:
      23 October, 2018 at 2:16 pm
      Just watched the bbc national news give 5 min to the glasgow womens strike without mentioning once, that the labour party have since 2000 been fighting against equal pay and this was the same in every other labour controlled area. Also no mention of the unions that protected labourby NoT supporting the women until there was a natioalist council

      Strange it featured at all, since the London BBC masters hardly ever feature anything Scottish on the main “national” news. It’s almost like someone’s put them up to it and they’re following a political agenda.

    25. Andrew says:

      Dugdale has always been a hypocrite, right back to her days as deputy to Jim. Spot on, every word 🙂

    26. Robert Peffers says:

      Laugh a minute.

      I just found this new post on YouTube. Self-awareness just isn’t a Labour thing.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGD_CNzmNLo

    27. Terence callachan says:

      Equal pay for women is important to the Labour Party but British nationalism is more important and that is why Labour refused equal pay for women all those years , they wanted to allow it but came up with a plan which was to refuse it in the knowledge that if ever SNP controlled Glasgow and Edinburgh they would be able to criticise SNP for not introducing equal pay for women and then criticise them a second time for not making back payments for years and years which would be very costly in one go.
      Labour planned this a long time ago together with union bosses who all support the Labour Party
      SNP will pay equal wages to women and will backdate it a bit but they will not backdate ten or twelve years to cover all the years when Labour were in charge of Glasgow and refused equal pay.
      BBC know about this and will be in on the plot they are after all the propaganda machine for the British nationalist regime.
      Scottish independence is coming to the British nationalists I say good riddance you are finding out now that you can’t fool all the people all the time

    28. harry mcaye says:

      You’d think Kez’s partner, the SNP MSP Jenny Gilruth, must bring up, from time to time, the incredible inconsistency of her position. She is another Labour hypocrite.

    29. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      I revise what I wrote a few threads back. Kez is not preparing to move to the FibDems, she has now outbid them on hypocrisy over referendums. She is on an entirely higher plane of cognitive dissonance altogether.

      (Assuming of course she is entirely unaware of what she is about. I’ve never believed though that BritNats are anything like as stupid as they appear to be, they just operate as if the general public is. See the Glasgow equal-pay strike for example.)

    30. William Habib Steele says:

      Does Kezia have Stockholm Syndrome?

    31. ronnie anderson says:

      Hopefully in a independent Scotland there will be laws to protect us from the Mental Gymnastics of Cretan us Politicians/Journalists & Public Broadcast Corporations .

    32. Proud Cybernat says:

      Okay – so I know politicians lie, some more than others.

      BUT – ffs – all the obvious effing black LIES these Red, Blue & Orange barstewards tell.

      Well, it’s truly something to behold.

      But what is even more remarkable is that they do this totally bare-faced and brazenly. As if SocMed doesn’t even exist. But then on SocMed, within seconds of their drivel spouting forth, their lies are dissected, disambiguated and shown for the bucket of pish they truly are.

      Lying and being found out – wtf kind of strategy is that? Who the blazes do these feckers hope to convince with all their twisted lies?

      More and more people are taking to Social Media where their lies are exposed almost instantly – so why the hell do they persist in this? I truly don’t understand – it makes no sense whatsoever. Fine back in the day when the lie was halfway round the world before the truth had its boots on – but not nowadays with SocMed. You just look like a lying git, never to be trusted.

      No one – NO ONE – likes to be knowingly lied to. So why, in the age of SocMed, do the BritNat Parties persist? What do they hope to achieve? They must KNOW, surely, in the age of SocMed, it is entirely counter-productive?

      Really, really don’t get it. Is there something I’m missing?

    33. Itchybiscuit says:

      Here’s a wee thought which might go against the prevailing wisdom.

      ‘What if’ Kezia is laying the groundwork for her conversion to supporting a second IndyRef? Her positions on rerunning referendums – as you rightly point out – are completely inconsistent UNLESS she’s getting ready to make the leap.

      Of course, given what we know of her political career and her flip-flopping nature, I’m not going to be holding my breath for a ‘Kezia chooses Independence’ headline any time soon. ;o)

    34. galamcennalath says:

      ronnie anderson says:

      in a independent Scotland there will be laws to protect us

      I certainly hope so. We need much stricter legislation covering issues like lying while in public office, full disclosure of interests, undermining the democratic process, public officials putting corporate interests first, flouting election spending rules, no polls with a month of voting, etc etc

      We have loads of experience about the wrong way to do things! iScotland needs to learn from the most effective democracies what is best practice.

    35. Cassandra says:

      God, I love your withering prose, Stu!

    36. Mike Lothian says:

      It must be interesting in the Dugdale household

      I mean she did used to want to work for the SNP, her dad’s an SNP supporter and her partner is an SNP MSP

      Surely that must be swaying her to back indy

    37. There is simply no logic to Kezia Dugdale’s utterances in regards to democracy.

      She and her British nationalist Labour brethren now support holding vote on the EU, because democracy doesn’t end with a cross in a box on a ballot paper and people are able to change their minds if the facts change too.

      But apparently this doesn’t extend to the people of Scotland who have changed their minds after having through the lies and scare stories which the British nationalist parties peddled during the first indy ref.

      And now want a to have a second vote on Scottish independence.

    38. Andy-B says:

      Dugdale’s is fine with a second EU in out vote, but not with a second indy vote. Like her party, she reeks of hypocrisy.

      Labour are the real enemy of a progressive Scotland.

    39. I support the SNP but as I have said before by doing nothing about all the media lies and twisting the facts they are in a sense condoning it it leaves me baffled ???

    40. twathater says:

      Sorry for OT so soon but it appears Angus McNeil is running a vote on twatter to gauge if people want SNP to take the lead in proposing a new people’s vote , I’m not on twatter but it seems many commenters are angry at EVEN the suggestion

      As has been expressed by many and I agree with , we Scots have already voted to remain , why would we need to do so again . This clusterf**k is not of our making we are NOT the brexshiteers saviours, if the britnat parties want it let them fight for it ( which they won’t ) let’s all just sit back and enjoy our popcorn

      If in the event the remainers win that probably scuppers our indy ref, if the brexshiteers win we will still have NO SAY and will still be ignored and denigrated and we will still be exited , also this is a precedent which is very dangerous for our indy , as we ALL know kez and her cohort of unthinkers would jump on a rerun bandwagon

      Nicola stated that we would have to have a guarantee that our vote and wishes would have to be respected if she supported calls for a people’s vote , has she been given that guarantee if not why are we Scots even thinking of supporting these delusional two faced independence denying britnat parasites

      Our goal is independence for Scotland all this chatter is a distraction we should not become involved with or support , Nicola let them get on with it we have our own fish to fry

    41. Davie Oga says:

      Who cares what Kezia Dugdale says or does. Like the overwhelming majority of Scottish unionist politicians she is either a cynical, shameless liar or so stupid that the fact they hold office at all reflects very poorly on the electorate.

    42. Thepnr says:

      Kezia Dugdale is clearly conflicted over whether or not she would support Scotland should having a second referendum.

      20 September, 2015 (Interview with Sunday Politics Scotland)

      When asked by presenter Gordon Brewer if Labour’s MP and MSPs should be allowed to campaign against party policy, as they did in the 1979 devolution referendum, Ms Dugdale said: “Yes. Many Labour members, in fact almost 30% of Labour party supporters, voted Yes. We know that now from all the evidence and I respect that.

      1 April, 2016 (Interview with the Fabian Review)

      When journalist Mary Riddell ask whether her first loyalty was keeping the UK together, she said: “I’ve never contemplated that. I really wouldn’t like to choose, because what I want to do is the best possible thing for Scotland. [I would be] putting Scotland first.”

      Pressed further on whether, for Scotland’s sake, Ms Dugdale might argue against the UK Union she answered: “Possibly. It’s not inconceivable.”

      1 April 2016 (Clarification following Fabian Review interview)

      “We won’t introduce one [Scottish referendum] in government and we would vote against one if it’s introduced by any other party.

      “Our [Holyrood] manifesto will make that commitment clear, unlike the Tories who have said they would support a second referendum if the SNP are elected on a manifesto promising one.”

      http://archive.fo/7d2UN

    43. Hamish100 says:

      Now now. If she said she might support indy you would all be sookin up!! Lol

    44. Tinto Chiel says:

      “The arguments made by the likes of Kezia Dugdale are such obviously, stupendously, absurdly hypocritical, intelligence-insulting dribbling cretinous nonsense…..”

      Don’t hold back, Rev. 😛 Most entertaining.

      Proud Cybernat @3.55: spot on and it’s a puzzler right enough but then you have a brain and a conscience and she doesn’t.

      Sorry, sorry stuff from a politician who doesn’t know which way is up.

    45. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Blair Paterson at 4.33

      You support the SNP – but don’t know it doesn’t get access to the media?

      Nope.

    46. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      The present almost unbelievable distortion of the demonstration in the media (which knows it is lying)is a sign of desperation.

    47. twathater says:

      I noticed on bbc pravda the leader of GCC being interviewed ,she said not one word about inheriting the damning situation of equal pay from the previous liebour administration , not one word about liebour spending millions of pounds in legal costs to DENY these women their just rewards ,not one challenge to the unions as to why they were not FIGHTING the previous administration on behalf of these POOR women .

      Why APPARENTLY ( Robert Peffers ) having been given the chance to clarify the disgusting situation being manipulated for political purposes did she not speak out . Or if she did was it edited out , and if so should she now take bbc pravda to the regulators for misinforming viewers

      She had the perfect opportunity to lay the blame squarely on the disgusting cretins who are responsible for this unfairness yet did she . If not why not

    48. galamcennalath says:

      twathater says:

      SNP to take the lead in proposing a new people’s vote

      Scotland’s opinion is known and hasn’t changed. Seems like a distraction from the BIG issue i.e. independence.

      However, if the SNP were to propose an EURef2, they would obviously include (this time) clear rules about what would happen if Scotland voted Remain, and England voted Leave, again.

      That would get right up the noses of Greater England Nationalists who believe England should be allowed to dictate UK outcomes. They would never accept clauses giving Scotland a veto, or right to dissolve the Union.

      Thus the whole fiasco would further strengthen the case for Indy whatever way it played out.

    49. twathater says:

      Gala I take all that in and agree about up their noses , but it is sending a confusing message to indy voters , the ones on twatter were angry at Angus Mc Neil for even suggesting it

    50. Effijy says:

      So again we can confirm that Dugdale, Brown and Labour are lying cheating B***ards who would do anything to distort or deny democracy.

      Dippy Dug is just a stupid wee lassie who was never worth listen to but I suppose we must keep idiots like this in view as they only strengthen our cause.

      Her SNP Partner must be a saint to spend time with her would drive any normal person nuts.

    51. Robert Peffers says:

      @Andy-B says: 23 October, 2018 at 4:17 pm:

      ” … Labour are the real enemy of a progressive Scotland.

      You have nearly got it right, Andy-B. Now make the short jump to the full truth.

      The three main Unionist parties are really all the same wing of a far bigger conglomerate known for a very long time as, “The Westminster Establishment”.

      definition – congomorate – noun: conglomerate; plural noun: conglomerates

      a thing consisting of a number of different and distinct parts or items that are grouped together.

      The Westminster Parliament is just the political wing of, “The Establishment”. They control, directly or indirectly, the biggest proportion of the broadcasters and other media.

      They are in turn controlled themselves by the City of London and big business who are in turn controlled by a few large faceless very rich and long established wealthy families.

      The Establishment also includes the upper echelons of the armed forces, the security services, police forces, Civil Service, Established Church, Legal profession, English Public Schools system & Universities.

      Remember also that the Westminster Parliament has two houses and the Lords is the largest unelected legislator body in the World.

      But, like it or not, the three main Westminster Parliament political parties are all just, “The Unionists”, and whenever, in history, the Union has come under any kind of threat there is a coalition or cross party cabinet in charge and that is best seen in two World Wars.

      Ye canna shove a fag paper atween ony twa o thaim,

    52. ronnie anderson says:

      we said, punched, bored or coonter-sunk but reamed, OK.” & screwed kin wie no comment oan Kezia’s family life , lets just stick wie her political life 1st off she got humped & wull continue tae get humped at any elections .

    53. yesindyref2 says:

      Well, Dugdale did in her early days as Leader of Scottish Labour, try to move that individual members should be able to support Indy if they wanted, same as for the politicians.

      Clearly she was told to get lost, so she’s right when she says Scottish Labour will never support second Indy Ref.

      She also tried to get new blood into the party after yet another disastrous election, but was rebuffed by the branches who appointed the same old dyed-in-the-wood candidates. There was an article on Wings about that, remember?

      There’s a difference between Dugdale and her sad party.

    54. Proud Cybernat says:

      “I noticed on bbc pravda the leader of GCC being interviewed ,she said not one word about inheriting the damning situation of equal pay from the previous liebour administration …”

      She was interviewed on R2 Jeremy Vine show (Vanessa Feltz) and she made it very clear that SNP inherited this from Labour and how GMB were complicit. Feltz quickly jumped in at that point, went a bit nuts attacking Susan Aitken. Susan acquitted herself well enough and gave a good account of the (historical) situation.

    55. twathater says:

      Glad to hear it PC it might have been heard by those who are unaware , shame that even if she did it on bbc pravda it was edited

    56. Bill Hume says:

      Kezia…..doublespeak was a warning, not an instruction.

    57. Macart says:

      @Proud Cybernat 5.26

      If right enough, that’ll set cat among the pigeons. 😎

    58. Rock says:

      There are many clueless pompous armchair pundits posting here who would welcome Dugdale with open arms to the Yes movement.

      I would not want her anywhere near the Yes campaign. She stinks to high heaven.

      She can vote Yes if she likes – she is such a shameless principleless opportunist she would do anything for her own personal benefit.

      Rock (19th May 2017 – “Becoming the squirrel”):

      “I would love Dugdale to be humiliated in a court.

      But the Scottish justice system is rotten to the core and the vast majority of lawyers, especially judges, are the lowest of the low.

      Carmichael libeled Nicola Sturgeon before the last Westminster election and got away with it.”

    59. Rock says:

      For the record, I can say with 100% confidence that cautious Establishment lawyer Nicola does not have the guts to defy Saint Theresa and hold an illegal independence referendum without Westminster’s permission before Brexit has been completed.

      Before there is a flood of posters claiming that Scotland can hold an independence referendum whenever it wants to, the fact is that it has never yet done so without Westminster’s approval.

      You can only prove me wrong if and when it does.

    60. Rock says:

      In my humble opinion, there is one Scottish politician who is even more of a hypocrite than Dugdale.

      The SNP MSP in bed with Dugdale.

      Does she give away the SNP’s secrets to Dugdale at night?

      If she was not even more shameless than Dugdale, she would have resigned from the SNP before going into bed with Dugdale.

    61. Dan Huil says:

      Another example of real journalism from the Rev.

      Dugdale is a joke but her blatant anti-Scottish agenda is no laughing matter.

    62. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Some of Rock’s posts which have usually been little more than stupid are now offensive.
      Desperation I suppose to be taken up on.

    63. yesindyref2 says:

      Incidentally, this “the union persuaded many to settle for far less than they should have received

      needs some substantiation (more than a claim from a soliticitors about slow action), and is an article in its own right. I certainly know that women were persuaded to take less – far far less – that they should have, maybe even just 5% or less of what they’d be entitled to “in full and final settlement”, but who was responsible I do not know from personal knowledge.

    64. robert alexander harrison says:

      Hope you end her in the court room stu she needs to be destroyed.

    65. gregor says:

      Kezia Dugdale, et al.

      What do democratic values and principles mean to you???

      What does Scotland’s (the nation of Scotland) democracy mean to you???

    66. jfngw says:

      Kezia Dugdale has no influence in any political party now, her utterances are practically meaningless.

      More important is the Labour plan, it looks like a return to the early 70’s and using union power to try and destabilise the government, this time the SNP rather than the Tories.

      This was one of the main reasons for privatising the nationalised industries by the Tories, to remove this power from Labour.

      This is the downside of bringing services back into the public ownership, it hands the power to hold any government to ransom by the Labour party financiers. Expect to see even more agitation until Labour regains control, then silence.

    67. Gary says:

      What an absolute arse that 2 faced woman is!!! Really hope she stays in the red tory party as that is the level of her intelligence.I belive though she is doing really well at her basket weaving class at the happy club!!

    68. yesindyref2 says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill
      I think Rock’s becoming eroded with the repetitive drip by drip drippiness of his postings, and is becoming a dried-up corrie where the Macdonalds can hide their cattle.

    69. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      jfngw @ 18:53:

      the Labour plan […] looks like a return to the early 70’s and using union power to try and destabilise the government, this time the SNP rather than the Tories.

      Absolutely. It’s plain as day, and the suspicion has been there for some time, it’s just that they seem to be becoming more obvious now.

      But no surprise there, since Corbyn is merely a shill for Macluskey & Co. It’s the big unions that are now calling the shots for Labour.

      Makes you wonder what mental contortions those self-proclaimed indy supporters who were lately advocating being “pals” with Jeremy are having now!

    70. jfngw says:

      Labour has started this ball rolling, so as they expect the GCC to have this sorted by December I will assume they are now obliging all the Labour led councils in Scotland to also meet this deadline for equal pay and a schedule for the payout by the same date. Anything else will look like hypocrisy and political manoeuvring.

      I await the BBC spending as much time asking Labour for these guarantees, after all they devoted quite a bit of their programme on this inequality today. That is unless they are only interested in SNP led councils.

      Is Richard Leonard going to stand up for all these women in Scotland or does he have a myopic view on these disputes. After all I believe a North Lanarkshire Labour person was marching today demanding a resolution whilst his own area drags its feet.

    71. twathater says:

      @ Gala 5.23pm Hi Gala re people’s vote , I just went on and checked brewers droop on Sunday he was insisting to Ian Blackford that Nicola’s video to the people’s vote marchers stated that the SNP’s support for a people’s vote was UNCONDITIONAL , if that is the case it is very worrying

    72. Iain Dawson says:

      twathater; she said very clearly that snp would vote in favour of the people’s vote at Westminster if it included an option to remain!

    73. Ghillie says:

      Twathater, I heard Nicola say REMAIN.

      So, not unconditional at all =)

    74. Ghillie says:

      Is oor Kez mibee softening us up for a Billy Conolly moment?

      And if the lass finds her way to Yes then she will be welcome =)

      As long as she keeps quiet and lets her dad do the talking.

    75. Ottomanboi says:

      The time will come soon when people will say Kezia, who? Just another useful tool/idiot for the London establishment to ‘jiggle’. I do hope Ms Sturgeon isn’t in the process of regenerating as one.
      Saving the English from their rash decision is NOT what we are about.

    76. Fred says:

      What has Kezia Dugdale’s father got to do with anything? keep the guy’s name out of it!

    77. Ghillie says:

      No one deserves what brexit will bring.

      Kez’s dad has a good head on his shoulders =)



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