The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Quoted for truth #7 7

Posted on February 13, 2013 by

Never let it be said that Wings Over Scotland isn’t the sort of fair-minded site that would acknowledge when the Scottish press prints some reasonable and balanced commentary once in a while:

“The last time I wrote about the tone of the debate on Scottish independence, I came to the conclusion that there was little to choose between the two sides in the quality of the arguments and the calm or intelligence with which they were presented.

Since then, there has been something of an improvement on the nationalist side, perhaps through entrusting the presentation to Nicola Sturgeon rather than to other politicians I could name. But there has been an appalling deterioration on the unionist side.”

(Michael Fry in today’s Scotsman.)

Behind the front lines 66

Posted on February 13, 2013 by

In coverage of the latest Ipsos-MORI Scottish Public Opinion Monitor poll, the media will likely focus as usual on the not-particularly-dramatic headline figures, showing a welcome but not enormously relevant (so far away from the vote) swing of 3.5% to Yes. What we find much more interesting is the data a couple of pages down.

Read the rest of this entry →

The Giga-Lie 80

Posted on February 13, 2013 by

We’ve spoken before on this site about a couple of political concepts based around different ways of winning votes by bombarding the electorate with untruths so relentlessly that they come to be accepted as fact.

One of them, the “Big Lie”, was a term infamously coined by Hitler to describe a strategy regularly deployed by the Nazis in which a falsehood would be perpetrated which was so diametrically and spectacularly at odds with the reality, people would instinctively reject the thought that anyone would have the bare-faced audacity to say it if it wasn’t true, and therefore it must be.

mpossiblethings

Language needs some kind of brand new term, though, to accurately encapsulate the magnitude of what Scottish Labour have just tried to pull off.

Read the rest of this entry →

And finally… #17 36

Posted on February 12, 2013 by

darlingcat

This is Numberwang 23

Posted on February 12, 2013 by

We’ve had quite a jolt this afternoon, readers. The New Statesman has just posted a story proclaiming itself “Britain’s biggest political website”, citing impressive figures of 1.15 million unique users per month and 3.35m pageviews.

We clicked on the story (from a tweet) because we thought there must have been a typo – 1.15m is close to 40 times as many readers as Wings Over Scotland, yet 3.35m pageviews is only about four times what we get. But the story backed up the numbers, and provided a few more for comparison:

New Statesman: 1.15m users, 3.35m views per month
Guido Fawkes: 468K users, 2.34m views
The Spectator: 350K users, 2.5m views
Iain Dale’s Diary: 235K users, 409K views

These are the sites suggested by TNS as the UK political blogosphere’s big hitters, along with some others it didn’t give figures for. But that wasn’t what had us rubbing our eyes and doing a double-take.

Read the rest of this entry →

When two plus two is fourteen 58

Posted on February 12, 2013 by

It defies belief, in a way. It’s now been a full week since we mocked Willie Rennie’s embarrassingly clueless claim that an independent Scotland would need to negotiate “14,000 international treaties”, in a feature which was widely circulated and quoted.

davidmundell1

So ridiculed was Rennie’s claim that even the Scotsman couldn’t make it stick, acknowledging on Monday that it had been exaggerated by at least 70%, with a maximum of 8500 actually still being in effect, let alone relevant to Scotland. An entertaining introductory package on last night’s Newsnight Scotland even highlighted our particular favourite of the UK’s treaties.

At which point the programme brought on the rare protected species that is Scotland’s only Tory MP, the Scotland Office minister David Mundell.

Read the rest of this entry →

A fun quiz! 20

Posted on February 12, 2013 by

The passage below comes from the lead story in the Scotsman’s politics section today. We’ve highlighted a few of the more interesting bullet points.

“An independent Scotland will have to impose strict limits on spending and agree borrowing curbs with the rest of the UK to avoid the wrath of the financial markets, advisers to the Scottish Government have said. The advice also states that austerity will continue to bite “irrespective” of whether the country votes Yes or No next year.

However, the Fiscal Commission, set up by the SNP government last year to study the economics of independence, said the restrictions would be outweighed by the “flexibility” of independence, which would allow Scottish ministers to pick a way through the financial crisis facing western countries.

The 221-page document, commissioned by the Scottish Government, recommended that an independent Scotland should keep the pound and the Bank of England, and sign a pact with the UK on financial stability. Such policies would provide a mix of “autonomy, cohesion and continuity”, chairman Crawford Beveridge said yesterday. The pro-independence former Scottish Enterprise chief insisted: “Scotland has the clear potential to be a successful independent nation.”“

So here’s the quiz: guess which one formed the headline.

Possessed under law 96

Posted on February 12, 2013 by

In an intervention that could in time-worn political terms be described as “brave”, the Secretary of State for Scotland insisted yesterday that recent legal advice to the UK government means an independent Scotland would not inherit the UK’s existing international treaties but would still nonetheless inherit a share of the UK national debt.

The UK Government’s understanding of new legal analysis on the implications of Scottish independence is in their view proof that the most likely outcome of Scottish independence would be the continuation of the UK as the existing state under international law and the creation of a new state of Scotland.

novascotia

However, the report’s authors declined to rule out the creation of two completely new states or the resurrection of the Scottish state that existed prior to 1707 – although both outcomes were deemed unlikely by Westminster. But just in case anyone wasn’t yet adequately confused, the report’s authors went on to say this (our emphasis):

“Assuming that Scotland would be recognised as a new state, albeit a successor state to the UK, it is difficult to see how Scotland could evade the accession process for new states in the EU treaties.”

So this new “definitive” legal advice doesn’t in fact rule out any of the only three options available, and in fact defines Scotland as both a “new” and a “successor” state, seemingly contradictorily. But what does all this mean? To try to shed some light, let’s look at what international law says on the subject of borders, treaties and debts.

Read the rest of this entry →

And finally… #16 57

Posted on February 11, 2013 by

As a new week of Newsnight Scotland looms, this should work most days.

brewercase

Further detonations 38

Posted on February 11, 2013 by

Observed – so far as we’re aware – by nobody, today’s UK government paper also torpedoes another core argument hitherto beloved of Unionists in the independence debate. That argument runs “Scotland and England would not be entitled to equal successor-state status, because Scottish independence would NOT in fact be a dissolution of the Union, because the current UK was formed not by the 1707 Acts of Union but by the 1800 treaty incorporating Ireland.”

The document, however, expressly blows that contention out of the water:

“36.      We note that the incorporation of Wales under laws culminating in the Laws in Wales Act 1536 (England) and of Ireland, previously a colony, under the Union with Ireland Act 1801 (GB) and the Act of Union 1800 (Ireland) did not affect state continuity. Despite its similarity to the union of 1707, Scottish and English writers unite in seeing the incorporation of Ireland not as the creation of a new state but as an accretion without any consequences in international law.“

File this one for future reference, readers.

The clean slate 236

Posted on February 11, 2013 by

The devil, they say, is in the detail, and that certainly seems to apply to the UK Government’s first paper on the consequences of Scottish independence. With remarkably little fanfare, the coalition appears to have dropped an atomic bomb into the heart of the constitutional debate, and not even realised it.

startanew

The core premise of the document appears to be the counter-intuitive idea that the UK can have it both ways – it can insist that an independent Scotland would be a brand-new nation with no rights to any of the shared property of the UK, but that it would somehow simultaneously be responsible for its full share of the UK’s liabilities. Michael Moore is quoted saying precisely that in today’s Herald.

The justification for this outwardly-absurd claim rests on an astonishing assertion lurking unassumingly in a series of paragraphs in the middle of the paper. We’ve copied it below and highlighted a couple of the relevant phrases.

Read the rest of this entry →

Executive summary 44

Posted on February 11, 2013 by

There will be uncountable acres of newsprint expended on analysing the UK Government’s paper released today on the implications of Scottish independence for EU membership. If you’re in a hurry, though, the entire document is comprehensively and accurately summed up in these two paragraphs from Part V, Section (3):

executivesummary

Even shorter version: if the EU wants us in automatically (something which is plainly in absolutely everyone’s interests, including the rUK’s), then we’ll be in automatically, no matter what the small print says. And that’s that.

Read the rest of this entry →

  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a thing that exists.

    Stats: 6,987 Posts, 1,252,564 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Captain Caveman on Still Time To Save Her: “No “struck” nerves here, lad (FYI the correct expression is “touched (a raw) nerve”) You carry on making yourself look…” Oct 14, 11:17
    • Alf Baird on Still Time To Save Her: “Yes Turabdin, for the more privileged colonized native their oppression remains somewhat obscured via assimilation into the colonizer’s culture, an…” Oct 14, 11:08
    • TURABDIN on Still Time To Save Her: “@alf baird TRULY, it’s an affair of dont mention the Union, the giant union jack draped dinosaur occupying the comfy…” Oct 14, 10:45
    • Alf Baird on Still Time To Save Her: ““the Supreme Court is a superior court” Perhaps in regard to colonial law, but according to international law it is…” Oct 14, 10:38
    • TURABDIN on Still Time To Save Her: “southernbystander & captain caveman verily i may have struck your raw nerves on the matter…..invasion & conquest, the conquerors still…” Oct 14, 10:37
    • Alf Baird on Still Time To Save Her: “‘Cultural obliteration’ (Fanon) is a fundamental aspect of colonial rule, so why is Bella or anyone else all of a…” Oct 14, 10:34
    • Hatey McHateface on Still Time To Save Her: “Autocorrect substituted “wanging” with “wanting”. Could have been worse.” Oct 14, 09:43
    • Hatey McHateface on Still Time To Save Her: “It’s environmentally friendly, MH. Any temporary blip in carbon emissions is compensated for thousands of times over by the removal…” Oct 14, 09:29
    • Minceheid on Still Time To Save Her: “I’m trying to work out whether burning someone at the stake would be carbon-neutral or not. These things matter, you…” Oct 14, 09:06
    • Hatey McHateface on Still Time To Save Her: “Burn the heretic at the stake! That’s always the way to silence an inconvenient truth teller.” Oct 14, 08:54
    • Aidan on Still Time To Save Her: “Because Gender Ideology is an absolute driving priority for the SNP and the Green’s, whereas independence is merely a transient…” Oct 14, 08:49
    • Ex President Xiden on Still Time To Save Her: “Exactly. As I said elsewhere, the decision to charge never mind prosecute in cases like this, lies solely with the…” Oct 14, 07:39
    • Ex President Xiden on Still Time To Save Her: “The decision to prosecute in cases like this lies solely with the Crown Office. The police only follow their instructions.” Oct 14, 07:36
    • Willie on Still Time To Save Her: “Destroy the language,the culture, the history and you destroy the people. The UK needs Scotland’s resources and so that is…” Oct 14, 02:27
    • Bilbo on Still Time To Save Her: “Funny how there are sections of our society that has called on the Supreme court ruling about women to be…” Oct 13, 21:29
    • Bilbo on Still Time To Save Her: “These constant constitutional conversations are interesting when they are done on a civil basis but the reality is that they…” Oct 13, 21:11
    • Aidan on Still Time To Save Her: “As you know Alf – the Supreme Court is a superior court to the inner house (before we get into…” Oct 13, 20:09
    • Alf Baird on Still Time To Save Her: ““on ending the sovereignty of the Parliament of the United Kingdom over Scotland” Ignorance and wishful thinking on the part…” Oct 13, 19:56
    • Aidan on Still Time To Save Her: “Agreed Northcode – happy to let others decide, we’ve put our respective cases forward” Oct 13, 19:08
    • Northcode on Still Time To Save Her: “Thanks for the exchange. I think we’re reading the judgment differently, and that’s fine — the Supreme Court’s reasoning is…” Oct 13, 16:21
    • Aidan on Still Time To Save Her: “Sorry Northcode – you need to go back and read the case again in detail. What you are saying there…” Oct 13, 15:49
    • Northcode on Still Time To Save Her: “I think there’s a misunderstanding here about what the Supreme Court actually decided. The Court did describe a referendum as…” Oct 13, 15:15
    • Hatey McHateface on Still Time To Save Her: “sarah, have you tried using the “Contact” button at top of page?” Oct 13, 14:58
    • Hatey McHateface on Still Time To Save Her: “Frightening that people still have belief in the criminal justice system, isn’t it. Commit a serious sexual assault on a…” Oct 13, 14:52
    • sarah on Still Time To Save Her: “Rev, please re-post on here your article of 13th October 2024, “The Giant”. It will be a comfort to true…” Oct 13, 14:42
    • Anthem on Still Time To Save Her: “I hope you’re including Reform in that H.” Oct 13, 14:39
    • Aidan on Still Time To Save Her: “@Northcode – again that is objectively untrue, the Supreme Court did not say that the proposed referendum could not be…” Oct 13, 13:54
    • Hatey McHateface on Still Time To Save Her: ““curtailing them as the foreigners in their own Countries” There’s only one political party in with a shout of being…” Oct 13, 13:40
    • Hatey McHateface on Still Time To Save Her: “Always amusing to see Confused praising the Norwegians whilst simultaneously lambasting those who believe defense is a key government priority.…” Oct 13, 13:22
    • Northcode on Still Time To Save Her: “For clarity. Holyrood cannot legislate a binding referendum. But Holyrood can hold a consultative referendum — the Supreme Court did…” Oct 13, 13:17
  • A tall tale



↑ Top