Wings Over Scotland

The fact that Jordon, a man (as opposed to a woman pretending to be a man) is abusing Joanna (an actual woman) and trying to lecture us on the idea that we should let men who pretend to be woman into actual woman’s safe spaces summaries this entire issue and what is so wrong with it in a nutshell.

How badly we need a Jo Cherry in our government. How impossible the chances of that happening are.

@RobertKnight

May welcomes to the party! Which region are you in?

This rogues gallery of political hopefuls supposedly representing Scotland’s best interests gives me the shits.

An excellent article in support of Ms Cherry and demonstrating clearly the fatal malaise at the heart of the SNP. Like many others I don’t believe in independence at any cost, which now is woke and trans bullying of women and anyone who disagrees with them. Free speech is anathema to them. I’ve voted SNP in all kinds of elections since 1970.This is not the leadership or the party I want too see attain independence for Scotland.

I am glad I am no longer a member of the SNP.
I won’t be voting for them either.

I hope the Tories follow through and shut down the pretend parliament.

The general public have no idea that any of thias is going on under the surface and would be appalled if they ever found out. The problem is, the media are too busy tucking into Nicola’s succulent lamb and will not give it any prominence.

How I long for the good old days of: Do what you like, but, never do it in front of the servants and don’t scare the horses.

Letting all those lower-class former Labour Party people into the Party, it’s been downhill ever since.

Got this text GOV.SCOT
The Scottish Government will never ask you for sensitive personal information or your banking details .
If you receive a suspicious text message you can report it by calling Police Scotland on 101.
I am asking please pass this on.

Nicola Sturgeon is the real leader of the woke faction in the SNP.

I think it’s very telling that the vast majority of these people emphasise their enthusiasm for trans issues over their support for independence or indeed any cause that would interest most Scottish people.

Ms.Cherry neither warrants or deserves this constant abuse, from the trash.
She does an exemplary job.
Sturgeon could stop this instantly, seriously instantly
Of course I am possibly not alone in thinking Sturgeon is the primary in this.
Clearly Smith appears to be the major protagonist
Where and when are SNP MPs and MSPs, getting off their erses and getting the “Trash Telt”?
No pissing about Telt
The SNP need an enema,
They need to have a good look at what kind of human beings they actually are ,if indeed they are !!!
While the major player in this shite is the SNP,
The Greens should be showing their culprits the door,
as does the other Parties
I’d start with Smith and the SYT

I’m with Colin Alexander. Enough of this pish!

@ronnie anderson (1.46) –

‘Nickerless & Wigless’ supported ‘The Fur Coats’ at Barrowlands in 1991.

I suppose it was only a matter-of-time before such perverse and unworldly elements would congeal into a joined-up, self referring scab. Infiltration of political parties is nothing new, of course, what’s new on this occasion is that the SNP’s leadership seem unable or unwilling to call the infiltrators out.

Iona Paton says:
30 November, 2020 at 1:50 pm
I’ve no reason to lie Wings, in fact speaking out against the horrendous behaviour of Fraser Thompson had a detrimental affect on me and my career. I got nothing from doing so other than peace of mind that I’d done what was right.

But again, whatever suits your rhetoric.

These can’t both be true Iona. Which one is it?

“At the weekend she was accused of bullying, with a former employee, Iona Paton, telling a Sunday newspaper she felt forced to speak out when Ms Cherry spoke of the abuse she’d received.
“I couldn’t stay silent any more when she started saying she was the victim of online bullying when she knew she was dealing with these complaints of bullying against her and [office manager] Fraser Thompson,””

Iona Paton says:
30 November, 2020 at 1:24 pm
Hi Wings.

Thanks for the inclusion but you should know the bullying allegations were made against Cherry’s chief of staff, not Cherry herself.

5 staff members complained but don’t let facts get in the way of your rhetoric!!!

FFS Community Wind Power Rob Fryer with a back ground framed flag of the Saltire & Union flag at a SNP conference FUCK RITE OFF

Pretty sure the reason most of these people are so attracted to politics & its hinterland is because no other workplace would put up with their antics. They’d be out on their ear for bullying, harassment and/or bringing the organisation into disrepute. I chose my side about a year ago when I left the SNP, nothing I’ve seen since is making me regret my decision.

Joanna Cherry blocked me. Makes me sad.

Good work as always Stuart but its getting quite depressing reading your stuff the last year or two.

A personal story.
Bullies and people whom intimidate others obviously should not be in any power position, as their status is a possible vehicle for abuse of power, they should be removed,
No matter what the vehicle of power is that they use.
As it leaves so many more thousands , more vulnerable, including children,
I was the victim of bullying when I was young, I used to get physically hit maybe three or four times a day for not paying attention with a cane or a leather strap, I had to endure most days with the teachers face inches from mine as she screamed and ranted at me, spitting in my face, for five years,
I had become three quarter deaf early on in life, this was someone in a position of power as she
was the sole teacher in our small school.
A five year old does not have the ability to cope with this violation of human rights, and I started playing truant, my parents were threatened with the law for my missing school, not one of the education authorities took me seriously.
So I had to go back to school and endure this for many more years.
At eleven years old I could hardly read as I didn’t know my alphabet, and I couldn’t do maths.
This all changed as I approached twelve,
The teacher struck me from behind hitting my ear and shoulder,
And something within me snapped,
I snatched the cane from her and hit her with it, again and again, shouting and screaming “ How do you like it” she fell to the floor and my sanity came back, not because she got the better of me or got the cane back,
But due to the deafening silence of all my other class mates.
I was expelled from primary school. Uneducated in my ABCs or basic maths.
In Secondary school I was stood in the corner, as I could not keep up or given a price of paper to sit and draw with while the class was taught,
I learned to read and write from a dictionary, self taught, I became quite good at art, and eventually became a cartoonist with two local papers.
The point of this real life story,
Never ever let verbal or physical abuse from bullies deter you from your right to free speech, your right to be a man or woman or child for all people to be equal, not just for the woke people,
Their rights are no more above the average person on the street or in the home,
And in my eyes, a bully is a bully, no matter what category they fit themselves into in life, they are still bullies,
Wokery has that definition to it.

I

Thought I could hold my nose and vote Green for the lists. This has changed my mind. Joined the ISP this afternoon.

I am viewing these events more and more through a Machiavellian lens. Any potential leader has had similar treatment albeit using different methods. Rather than give a high profile case let’s look at an innocuous example to illustrate. Keith Brown started to cut traction as a potential leader amongst Indy folk. Punted and has lost momentum since. MPs in WM where most of the talent lies, barred by procedural means. Cherry is a potential leader hence the lack of support from Sturgeon. Don’t ask me about this TERF nonsense it’s an anathema to me. Scotland is a ‘socially conservative’ country. So these developments are vote losers when the ordinary public become aware of them.

Disgraceful abuse of Joanna Cherry and even worse ignoring of it.

I’m also a bit uncomfortable with a lot of SNP and pro-indy folk holding her up to be the SNP and the independence movement’s great saviour against Nicola Sturgeon. Have we not been burned once before with adoration of a certain prominent figure in the SNP? Learn the lesson, don’t trust ANY of them and watch them ALL like a hawk all the time.

The fact that Sturgeon and other senior members haven’t condemned and stamped out this abuse of Ms. Cherry tells you all you need to know about the Sturgeon National Party.

lol @ “I hope the Tories follow through and shut down the pretend parliament.”

I’m in agreement. Ironically, we’d probably have a better chance of realising independence if they did. And I’d rather we dealt with “the man” directly than a bunch of self-serving buffers in between.

Only in Scotland could a bunch of unemployable morons go on a power trip without any actual power.

‘Iona Paton says:
30 November, 2020 at 2:36 pm
I’m sure you know how the press work, Wings, I didn’t have control over what was printed about me.

I’m not saying there aren’t allegations against Cherry, as far as I know there are a few but as I said I complained about FT.’

Dear Iona,

Did you provide your information to the press in written form – if so did you keep a copy?

Or did you record (so easy to do these days on a mobile) any interview you gave to the press – such a wise thing to do, and quite a common one, and entirely the kind of thing someone working in a Politician’s staff office would be expected to know about. If so, did you keep a copy.

And lastly did you report this ‘mis-reporting’ of allegations to the Press Complaints Commission – given it had the potential to have you front and foremost in the firing line for legal actions and employment disciplinary actions? Obviously you’ll have a record of that complaint if made.

Now, its a fair comment that you might not have any legal savvy about you, but the press, most certainly do, and they had already seen JC take one publisher to court… so, what are the chances that they ‘added arms and legs’ to your information to include JC, without having it covered legally, by a direct quote from a source. Perhaps when you gave them your information, they recorded it – quite standard procedures for reporters to do so. You even see them do it in the movies.

Oh and one last thing, when providing this information/complaint (in whatever form it was) to the press, did you receive any form of payment or reward in any way? Sorry to be so suspicious, but you know, did you?

Let’s just HOPE we get the fuck out of the Mos Eisley Cantina alive today.

I’m 62 and fought for all of my rights, Equality, Maternity, Work based rights, as well as Gay rights. Joanna Cherry is fighting for me so I can keep these rights. I will fight with her, and against anyone who tries to take them away from me.

Bit rich of Alyn Smith to reprimand someone on twitter for their response to Stephen Kerr the ex Tory MP and request they ” calm down”. Stephen Kerr the Tory MP who one Cameron Archibald an Alyn ‘Daddy’ Smith uber fan stated is a homophobe.

When Jordan Henderson, who I believe is now the ex partner of Alyn Smith, was….when still Smith’s partner….abusive to Joan McAlpine earlier this year and called her a ” Top rate arse*ole” and told her to “F*ck off”…..now that warranted far more than a ” Calm Down” .

Does the Hate Crime bill have a section for those exempted dependent on whose side of the argument they are on. The turn a blind eye section.

The one rule for them and another for everybody else in relation to abuse is so glaringly and embarrassingly obvious I am surprised that there are still those who support the SNP stating it is unimportant because….independence.

Desperately Seeking independence does not equate to just ignoring the current sh*tfest of wonky wokes that are infiltrating and polluting the party, which I was once a member of, in order to simply placate a few men driven by pure self interest and a fantasy existence, by simply stating they self ID as a woman and thus assume this gives them rights over their fellow men to access places that compromise the safety of biological women aka real women. And in doing so also think it is acceptable to abuse women….makes you wonder why do they so desperately want to be identified as a woman when they obviously have so little respect and consideration for those of us who ARE actually women by birth. In this context imitation is obviously NOT the sincerest form of flattery.

If we, who support independence, willingly condone and accept this insane situation and ignore the verbal and sometimes physical abuse to women and the loss of our hard earned rights as women to be in women only safe spaces then we are no better than those whom we condemn as hypocrites in other political parties. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If we call out other political parties for promoting and implementing bad policies, supporting people who seek to undermine and diminish the rights of sections of society then we also need to be brave, fair and honest enough to do the same when the party we support does it too or STFU. Gaining independence to try and achieve a fairer society within Scotland for everyone should not be used as an empty slogan it should be what we strive to achieve or else why bother. That does not mean actively promoting the self serving interests of some while openly destroying, denying and diminishing the interests of others.

I left the SNP as a member this year but somehow I think that it kinda feels more as if they left me…..a bit like Labour is it not….complacent and too confident that the votes are in the bag…..votes probably are there for next year… but like Labour…the votes are not necessarily sustainable forever if they continue down the road they way they currently going.

Do I want to be a member of a party I cannot be critical of ?

Do I want to support a party that stands up for those who seek to undermine my opinions and rights as a woman ?

Do I want to vote with unquestioning obedience for a party who seeks to implement policies and bills I am against and I view as detrimental to me ?

Who was it who moved the goalpost away from Independence ?

AND

Who was it who allowed this to happen ?

If they come for Joanna Cherry then they are also coming for women like me and that means they lose my vote…simples.

Jeremie Fernandes is the secretary of Moray SNP. Clearly unfit for office and they should sack him before someone tells the press what he’s been up to.

When are the NEC results announced?

I blame Sturgeon for letting this mess get out of hand, she could’ve prevented this but no, she hasn’t helped one little bit, and as a consequence the SNP party created to bring independence to Scotland is in a right old state.

Sturgeon is afraid of Cherry, afraid that she’ll challenge her for the leadership of the party, and also that she’ll deliver independence, that’s why she had the NEC concoct the outrageous new rules to thwart her.

Since Sturgeon has taken over from Salmond as SNP leader the party has taken a nosedive especially on the independence front, as for Daddy Bear, I’d hope come the next GE the good people of Stirling will reject that arsehole and kick him out on his ear, the same applies to Southside councillor Hunter when she next stands for reelection.

As for Cole-Hamilton and Patrick Harvie, I hope both are booted out come next May.I certainly won’t be giving my vote (as an option) to the pathetic Greens.

Why is it that the threat of violence seems to go hand in hand with men pretending that they are women, is it because they are men pretending to be women and all the testosterone that comes with it?
“I’m Brian and I’m a woman and I will break your neck if you don’t fucking believe me”.

Saw this flagged elsewhere – ‘The Treasurer of the SNP Colin Beattie confirmed the Party Membership paid for Alyn Smith’s payout for his defamation of the Brexit Party’.

Haven’t see it anywhere on google.

James Che at 2.29 Thank you James, it took courage to overcome that lot AND to tell us. Fistbump.

Headlines in the Times today “Foreign interference undermining SNP, conference told”. link to thetimes.co.uk

@joannaccherry posted this reply link to twitter.com

@AllParty_Trans state “WE AUTHORED THE OPEN LETTER”.

They are following 31 people on Twitter.

This is the order they followed -The SNP was the 1st they followed, 2nd Joe Biden, 7th Kamala Harris and 13th Sarah McBride. Sarah McBride is “The incoming Delaware state senator, who is the first trans woman elected to a legislature’s upper chamber in US history”. McBride was a campaign staffer for Biden’s son and ” In 2012, McBride interned at The White House, becoming the first openly transgender woman to work there in any capacity”

link to en.wikipedia.org

@theSNP
@JoeBiden – @STVNews
@BBCScotland
@scotgov
@JaneyGodley @KamalaHarris @Edinburgh_CC @DavidPaisley @MhairiHunter @robmcd85 Since 8.30pm on Sat night @ScottishTrans @SarahEMcBride @valmcdermid @JolyonMaugham @tiecampaign @MonicaLennon7 @PinkSaltire @mimmymum @LGBTYS @innesmck @JNaplesCampbell @LGBTQISubUse @junodawson @ChristinaSNP @monaeltahawy @sxscotland

Do you remember this?
link to dailyrecord.co.uk
“SNP foreign affairs spokesperson MP Alyn Smith this week made the trip to Washington DC where he has been involved in a series of meetings on Brexit, Scotland, trade and Chinese tech firm Huawei”. However when I checked the Government website –

PURPOSE OF VISIT – To participate in the donor’s Defeating DISINFORMATION workshop.
link to publications.parliament.uk

Name of donor: Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars
Address of donor: 1300 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20004, United States

Estimate of the probable value (or amount of any donation): Return economy flight £826; hotel accommodation for six nights (£171 per night) £1,026; total value £1,852
Destination of visit: Washington DC, USA
Dates of visit: 3-9 February 2020

The same applies to Stewart McDonald.

link to publications.parliament.uk

On the subject of DISINFORMATION, do you remember the Institute of Statecraft/Integrity Initiative, the aim was to combat and raise awareness about DISINFORMATION? It was claimed the HQ was a derelict mill near Auchtermuchty. link to dailyrecord.co.uk

When OSCR the charity regulator became involved, they re=registered at 2 Temple Place – it was formerly known as Astor House, after the wealthy AMERICAN. link to en.wikipedia.org.

Do you remember the leaked documents?
link to roguemedialabs.wpcomstaging.com
Integrity Initiative Weekly Report 9th to 15th July 2018. States, Neal Stewart Adviser to SNP Westminster front bench, held an event at 2 Temple Place HQ of the Institute for Statecraft.

An interesting article here about McDonald and Elisabeth Braw a fellow at the AMERICAN Enterprise Institute “The extent of Braw’s relationship with the Integrity Initiative is unclear”

link to dailymaverick.co.za

NS is totally bought into the queer theory. We need to eject the current NEC and eject the current leadership/cabinet. They are all entryists. If the SNP can’t be saved then alternatives must be found. From across the political spectrum.

Its really hideously spiteful. I don’t know how anyone could sign that awful letter. They must be very troubled souls at the very least.

This is the way to do it Rev,name them, shame them and drag them into the biggest spotlight available. They hate it like the little vampires they seem to be.

See the way Lona P just got lit up and suddenly has to try and flog the wacky woo woo script here on WOS.. 😉

ISP with the Rev, Alex S, Cherry and more would scare the living s**t out of the SNP.

Glad I didn’t renew my membership this year.. 🙂

Not a fcken cent for any of them.

I have just had a wee look over at the Daily Records review of the SNP Conference.

Over 200 people voted against them having a policy to pursue another Indy Ref.

Absolutely no plan B.

Oh, and they’ve voted overwhelmingly for Scots to have a 4 day working week. Have to say I laughed, but not for good reasons.

In a time of crisis and worry, human behaviour is to batten down the hatches, in every way. They will vote for the leader and the party who promise to batten down the hatches – mostest.

Even if it is not the right thing to do.

People vote on an emotional level, not rational – however much we might not believe it. Hence Project Fear, why it was used and why it worked.

Proposing a 4 day week, when austerity is ongoing, when Covid is hitting the economy and when Brexit is almost upon us – has its fingers so far removed from the pulse as to be on a different planet.

And its not about a 4 day week being bad – in Canada, when austerity first came in, one of the municipalities had to save 20% of its budget. They offered the workforce – 20% job cuts, or everyone cut back their hours by 20% (i.e. a 4 day week). They put it to the vote and the hourly cut back went ahead. A year later, they did a survey. People were loving it, even thought they had less money, they had more time to cook, more time to exercise, more time to spend with the kids, and more energy due to working less hours.

But you cannot sell this idea to people, and sound rational, when they are looking at redundancy, business collapse, economic depression, wipe out of savings, loss of job security….Covid/Brexit…

So we have a bunch of very unstable people – with what appears to be a high proportion with severe personality disorders – deeply unelectable – being given fast track access to the high table in the SNP, coupled with Ideological ‘4 day week’ policies that are right out of student union utopia comic.

Its the New Labour Party all over again.

Anyway, Bingo time.

Sad to say it’s the possibility the likes of the list above might have even the remotest chance of having an influence over the future of my country that will make me vote Labour for the first time ever. I’m sorry for the many decent people in the SNP but it has, ironically, become the worst advert for independence.

I see Emma Roddick is no longer claiming in her Twitter description to be disabled after being found out! Now claiming to be a comedian! WTF! LOL! I think she is getting mixed up with clown!

Re Bingo –

Sorry folks – got it wrong. Its not going to be COVID, COVID, COVID – instead we’re going to use the word

PANDEMIC, PANDEMIC, PANDEMIC.

So far, though, its been the toughest time for her over these last 9 months.

Oh and the inequalities the PANDEMIC has thrown up are going to be CHALLENGE FOR US ALL.

Oh and I never saw – how we would HOPE to rejoin the EU, and HOPE to WIN the power needed to do so.

Keep watching we still have much more to come, why REFERENDUMS GOOD and PLEBISCITE ELECTIONS BAAD.

Colin Alexander says:
30 November, 2020 at 1:46 pm
I am glad I am no longer a member of the SNP.
I won’t be voting for them either.

I hope the Tories follow through and shut down the pretend parliament.
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Admitting what I suspected – Colin a unionist troll

@ Robert Graham

I don’t have a TV, and I don’t quite understand your last message.

Are you trying to suggest that Nicla’s speech is being broadcast by the BBC WITHOUT interference????

That would indeed by a new and first time event in the history of the SNP.

Anyway Bingo

Think the below can go under the heading SPREADING HOPE

‘That means protecting our NHS. Giving young people the best start in life. Creating jobs.
Taking action every day to improve lives.
And, yes, winning the powers that come with independence.’

More Bingo

If we want to make sure the country we rebuild is the one we want it to be, with kindness, compassion, fairness, equality and enterprise at its heart…
And not one built in the image of Boris Johnson and his band of Brexiteers.

We must work

to the right plan, with all the tools we need to do the job.!!!! UNITY ALERT

all together now… SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW, WAY UP HIGH…. LA LA, LA LA, LA LA LA LA

Christ I am sitting waiting on a commercial break she’s been talking so long , I had to check yep its the BBC , something aint right.
Ruthless will be having kittens ha ha I could add some expletive laced humour but that would probably upset some fkr

As mentioned by MorvenM above, the part of Sturgeon’s interview on Good Morning Scotland about Joanna Cherry.

Interviewer quotes Joanna Cherry – ‘It’s two years since I first spoke up at the Human Rights Commitee to defend women’s rights and free speech. I have faced a campaign of intimidation and abuse. Today as it continues I am calling on Nicola Sturgeon to call it out.’

Sturgeon’s reply – ‘I don’t know what she is talking about.’

link to bbc.co.uk at 02:55:23

The interviewer asks her to acknowledge the abuse that Joanna Cherry has received but she does not do so (contrary to the article in The National).

Daisey you aint taking this seriously are you ? HA HA haven’t heard that tune for ages ha ha

oops sorry I gave you a “E” Daisy sorry about that

I emailed a message of support to Ms Cherry this morning after reading that the FM said she didn’t know about the abusive messages to Ms Cherry. Maybe the readers of this blog could also send a message of support to her?

The FM was quick enough to name Rhiannon Spear as a person deserving support against abusive communications. I hope that she does not appear in the list of people elected to the NEC because I do not believe that her first loyalty is to the cause of Independence to put the situation mildly.

I am waiting for the results of the internal elections to the SNP after which I will probably resign from the SNP, the Joanna Cherry abuse and the FM dismissing it being the last straw.

Tannadice Boy – Jammy Dodgers are a damned fine choice of biccie. Quality.

re. international human rights law.

link to ohchr.org

“International human rights law requires States to address harmful gender stereotypes and wrongful gender stereotyping.

Two international human rights treaties contain express obligations concerning harmful stereotypes and wrongful stereotyping, namely the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD)….”

@Daisy Walker,

Yes ,just about sums it up. Promises of jam tomorrow for Tannadice Boy to spread on his Jammie Dodgers.

The mantra of hold hold however is obsolete. The English cavalry galloped over us some time ago brandishing terror weapons such as Brexit and the Internal Market Bill.

Grouser says:
30 November, 2020 at 4:14 pm
“I am waiting for the results of the internal elections to the SNP after which I will probably resign from the SNP, the Joanna Cherry abuse and the FM dismissing it being the last straw.”

Me too. I only rejoined to vote in the NEC elections.

Not getting anymore updates fro DR re NS speech.

Am sad, cannot now complete my Bingo card. Just as well I ate my choccie biscuit anyway…

I will just have to imagine.

I leave you with the words to Matt McGuinn (Scotland’s real bard – Burns wiz overrated)

I’ll be down to collect you for the bingo, Bella,
Rendezvous in the Gallowgate,
Mind, Bella, don’t be late
We’ve got to be there before the crowd starts queuing.
Remember when we get there, Bella,
We’re gonnie be trying for the big snowball,
But whether it’s win or lose,
We’ll have a damn good feed of the booze,
Tomorrow night at the South Side Bingo Ball.

You and I were nearly winning last time, Bella,
If it hadn’t been for Maggie McGill,
Wouldn’t yon one make you ill?
Seven hundred and twenty two smackers.
Hasn’t spoken to a neighbour since then
After tapping them for seventeen years
Ah but, mind you, there’s one thing nice,
Lightning never strikes the same place twice,
So we will have a chance at the South Side Bingo Ball.

We’ll be catching the bus to the bingo, Bella,
We will alight at the Gorbals Cross,
Pie and peas with tomato sauce,
Till we can lay our hands on that snowball.
Then we’ll be heading for the taxi, Bella,
To the Rogano wi’ yer hawf croon tip,
And when they ask us what we want,
We’ll say pour us oot yer creme du mint
Tomorrow night at the South Side Bingo Ball.

Wee Chid

Thanks for the link – good to know Glinner is alive and kicking.

However I started reading that and I was struck by the thought that I was actually in a terrible nightmare.

I with you on trying to make sense of it. I don’t think it’s intolerance rather than I’m losing my grip on what qualified as reality.

A £500 gift declared for those lovely Caring Workers…cynical old me thinks “Thats handy for taking any headlines away from NEC news…or tomorrows Inquiry outcome..”

They give me the creeps.

Fingers crossed that the Snp get a new honest and decent Conduct Committee elected , hopefully we’ll know this afternoon and their very first job should be to suspend the membership of any of the above people who are party members .

I am so tired of all of this stuff. The lads on Aye Right Radio, I think it was, had heard that at least some of the pseudo ‘wokerati’ were to jump ship to the Greens. As they did with the SNP, they will colonize that party and all the green issues will be dumped, along with the distraction from their real agenda, independence. Don’t say you haven’t been warned, Patrick Harvey. We’ll see whether he allows them to abuse and bully people. I suspect he won’t be able to stop them once they get their feet under the table. They are like an infection, a pandemic that is the polar opposite of Covid-19 in that old people are immune through repeated contact with bulls**t and other forms of industrial-scale manure, while the young are susceptible because they haven’t come up against the worst excesses of reeking s***e and the stream of consciousness called p**h, and are, therefore, still open to infection. I don’t tend to use swear words and rude language too often, but, sometimes, as with this nonsense, it is merited and the most apt form of expression in the circumstances.

So, I managed to find St Nicla’s speech on you tube. Amazing how quick it went up… it usually takes a few hours.

Cynical me.

If I did not know better. If I did not know that her Government has put a Quango of proven Tory Bam Pots in prime carving up position of Scottish Water – ready to sell it off.

If I didn’t know that there was not one person of decent/yes type, or even socialist type convictions put into the Directorships of the New Scottish Investment Bank which reads like a whose who of NeoConservative Bam Pots united.

If I didn’t know…. to look for the date, not the hint of a Referendum, but an actual date, given the scheduled dismantling of Holyrood.

Well hats off to her – that was one Oscar winning performance.

Just one more Mandate folks, just one more push.

All the eggs in the Never, Never, Referendum basket while they destroy Holyrood, and the economy.

And, to top it all, Nicola Sturgeon has today kicked independence into the long grass, yet again. Sometime in the first half of the next parliament – that means late 2022 or 2023. Their is quite literally no point in voting for them next year. It is clear they have zero intention of actually pursuing independence.

I will vote ISP on the second vote, since it is clear we need to start building a new political party that will actually try to get us independence.

And I used to be an SNP party member.

It is all so utterly, utterly depressing. Come back Mr Salmond, Scotland really, really needs you.

Well i have done my duty and voted in the NEC elections, now to write my resignation letter to the SNP , I was thinking of joining Plaid Cymru but as Rhiannon Spear has joined them will give it a miss.
Will wait to see what happens over the next few months before deciding on party going forward.

Robert Louis @ 5:24

Couldn’t agree more.

Well Done for calling this out, Rev! You only have to look at what this kind of Purity Spiral has and still is doing to the Labour Party

I stumbled on this article from 2007 and it makes for some interesting reading. It’s worth reading all the way through – depressingly things really haven’t changed that much.

link to salon.com

The LGB community in the US ended up losing out on legislation which would have protected many more people from discrimination at work for more than a decade (it is still not fully implemented) because they felt compelled to bolt on gender identity to their cause. It seems that many in the LGB community did this reluctantly but felt unable to challenge it for fear of being branded as a ‘bigot’, the very thing they fought against.

The phrase which really stood out to me was this:

“A lot of gays have been scratching their heads for 10 years trying to figure out what they have in common with transsexuals, or at the very least why transgendered people qualify as our siblings rather than our cousins.”

The author is clearly sympathetic to transgender people and sees similarities with the prejudices which LGB people have historically faced, but that doesn’t mean they are one and the same cause.

The cause of Scottish Independence is in serious danger of wandering down the same path and losing fantastic champions of independence like Joanna Cherry on the way.

All legal systems must relate to a foundational moral theory, if they hope to be universal in outlook and application. This is to be denied to Scots at all cost, as respecting the Natural law challenges Westminster’s claim to legal authority.

Placing Westminster between Scots and international law, simply isn’t compatible with either the Common law or supporting Scotland’s democracy. But that is exactly what both ‘our’ parliaments appear intent on doing.

link to eige.europa.eu

Dave Beverage Me no speak Wok-ism but apparently it goes like this he-him / she-her its all in the spaces between but more than likely its the spaces between the ears of the he-him / she-her Wok-ists , ah wished ah could speak Gibbon noo thats funky .

Surely some of the abuse being posted is bordering on criminal behaviour? If you told someone to “shut the fuck up” in public (never mind adding ‘terf’) you can be arrested for a public order offence.

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Crikey Stuart, this thread sure lifted a damp, smelly rock with all manner of Jordanny Mantague types slithering out.

Their self-obsessed antics will cost Scotland her/his/he/she/its Independence.

Begrudgingly, many of us have to hand it to Colonel Atkins at the 77th Brigade. When he was tasked to fuckk up the SNP, by letting this man-hating, lesbian-loathing hormone-crazy roid-raging bunch of fuckwits infiltrate the SNP, that was a red letter day for the Union.

Atkins will be promoted at least three ranks in as many years off of the back of this world class Bourach.

A sad day for Scotland and a bad day for genuine trans people who just want to live their lives in peace. This self-appointed bunch of Amadans in the POX-INFECTED-SNP-DESTRUCTION-LIST at the head of this thread are causing more transphobia than any other source in the world.

GIRFUY Alyn Smith and your toyboy fan club. Yon slithery erse posting your photo and the caption: “he is a dreamboat” epitomised the whole putrid mess.

Get that pox-infested rotten bunch of man-hating psychos the fuck away from any levers of power.

Thanks for this article. I’m sure I am not alone in being shocked by what has been going on. Whoever wrote the letter and those that signed it are in need of urgent psychiatric help. It worries me so many are anywhere near any position of power in Scotland. The letter is so crazy I’d almost think this is a deliberate Unionist plot to derail the SNP and the Independence movement. The fact that Joanna Cherry is being so badly treated by her party is horrific. The SNP has been infiltrated at the highest level.