The Circus Of Hate
Well, what a nice statement of unity and tolerance this is:
And only slightly undermined by coming from THIS guy:
But Smith’s new message of tolerance hasn’t fully penetrated the party ranks.
Dovydas Kuliešas used to work for Emma Roddick MSP, who until yesterday was the minister responsible for the grotesque “conversion practices” legislation being developed by the SNP, and we gather he’s now a member of the staff of Westminster SNP MP Alison Thewliss, who alert readers may recall from her role in the infamous “DECAPITATE TERFS” trans protest at Buchanan Steps in Glasgow last year.
He’s also a member of the SNP Socialists group run by serial opportunist carpetbagger Cllr Graham Campbell (no relation), and one of the founders of the po-faced Student Grant masturbation collective Our Republic, a handy one-stop gathering of Scotland’s worst living beings.
And just a few days ago he posted this on Medium:
Attention-grabbing opening, isn’t it? Let’s carry on.
Whoever could he mean?
We know who it sounds like – the cadre of hyper-intolerant “progressive” young activists we call the Twitler Youth, to whom everything is “bigotry” and “phobia”s and who endlessly scream for the expulsion from the party of people like Joanna Cherry and Joan McAlpine and Kate Forbes – but we rather suspect it isn’t.
Ah, of course. It’s old people.
And indeed specifically old men, with their “old man computers”, sliding into “abject psychotropic decline” and refusing to accept that children can “choose their own puberty”. THOSE total bastards.
(Let’s not be distracted by the flat-out and potentially-defamatory lie that Alex Salmond was a “paid Russian Government employee”. That’s a matter for Mr Salmond.)
Those people need to be told that their “time” is “over”, whatever that might mean precisely. (Expulsion? Exile? Euthanasia? Execution?) We’re not told what the cutoff age is under which you’re allowed to continue to be a member of the SNP, or perhaps of Scottish society in general, but we can probably pretty safely assume that since it’s “the Scottish youth” who hold the only acceptable, “decent” views, it’s going to be 30 at the absolute most.
This is pretty constant messaging from the party’s youth wing. Last month we watched an interview with SNP activist Cameron Greer, who when asked to give a message to the wider independence movement told them that only young people should be listened to because their opinions mattered more than anyone else’s, and that if anyone wasn’t sure what opinions to have, just ask some young people.
Young Cameron fronts his own show, menacingly called “We Are The Future”.
Because, y’know, tomorrow belongs to them.
But back to young Dovydas. He wants you to know that your grandchildren – because everyone over 30 has grandchildren, right? – think you’re a “terrible person” and find you “disgusting” like all your “fellow old fogies” because you don’t have the same opinion as the kids.
The idea that you might dare to have your OWN opinion, rather than simply aspiring to comply with that of your grandkids, isn’t even fleetingly contemplated. Or perhaps it’s part of your “incessant whining”.
As Dovydas is clearly a huge fan of the Scottish Greens, we’re not sure why he’s so furious at what he anticipates as a flood of voters moving to them.
Surely that would only increase the likeliness of a future SNP/Green pact committed to all his priorities, and help to reverse the “fuckup of megastrophic proportions” that the collapse of the Bute House Agreement represented, and thereby help to guard against a return to the days of the old-style SNP, which was apparently a party of “various assorted creeps, perennial pains in the hoop, Putin apologists, downright scumbags [and] fucking weirdos”?
Readers, if we took all the easy shots that line sets up we’d be here all day. But the thing Dovydas wants to make super-clear is that if you don’t agree with every single one of his decent and progressive and self-evidently correct – ie they’re held by the young – views, then “people like you can’t be listened to”, (his emphasis) on account of your “utterly dogshit, broken-vehicle, farts-for-words, unreality based nerdery”.
(It’s a tiny bit bold for someone whose bio goes on about Dungeons And Dragons dice to be accusing anyone else of “nerdery”, but we’ll let it pass.)
Indeed, to make sure you’re not listened to, if you’re one of the considerable number of SNP politicians/members who wanted the BHA ended, you simply “should never be allowed to speak again”.
The rant has been warmly welcomed by Dovydas’ peers – many of whom, ironically, are rather close to Alyn Smith.
It was even tweeted by Irish artist Dr Robert Bohan to his 304,000 Twitter followers, although as Dr Bohan is 54 years old we hope he’s aware that his continued existence is a barely-tolerated affront to the dynamic new generation, permitted only so long as he continues to hold all the allowable opinions determined on a weekly basis by the Committee Of The Revolution.
Conversely, we gather that it’s already been reported as a hate crime by some concerned citizens, given that it fairly clearly appears to incite hatred on the basis of age, one of the protected characteristics of the new Hate Crime Act.
But given young Dovydas’ proximity to the SNP’s corridors of power, we think we can go out on a limb and say that the chances of inter-generational harmony breaking out inside the “big tent” any time soon are pretty slim.
Dovydas Kuliešas sounds like a Wolfie Smiff for 2024: Power to the Pre-Pubescent People!
Ah well, his 15 minutes will soon be up.
Goodness, so this is type of nationalist hoping to build a new, inclusive, tolerant Scotland.
Brave New World indeed. Unfortunately not, it would seem, one with room for a pensioner like myself with no grandchildren.
“Big tent”
“All right to not agree on everything all the time”
“The cause is bigger”
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With 2 exceptions
1. Alex Salmond is a twat.
2. Our way or the highway.
As soon as I saw the name, I knew we were in for a rocket ride.
The Baltic Buffoon filled my WEF Dogma bingo card in a single paragraph.
Dovydas, delusional, deranged and a dangerous ass.
These annoying children should be sent to their rooms .
If this was 1933 that chap would be one of the first to burn a book, smash shop windows, and beat up old people of a certain religious persuasion. I thought we’d left all that behind. Well done Scotland, you’re breeding some fine human beings.
Psychotropic Decline and Megastrophic Proportions are two of my favourite Death-Metal bands
I vote for execution by boiling in the big soup pot.
Yeah that screed is 100% a hate crime. Stirring up hatred against people based on their age.
Get it reported old fogeys of Scotland.
‘Dov’ is a right fat shit as well.
As Hank Hill would often say: That boy ain’t right…
The irony is, of course, that now the SNP is reliant on this dynamic young generation who are right about EVERYTHING, they have to pay canvassers at by elections because none of the little shits want to go out and do anything.
And can’t be trusted not to shout at or hyperventilate when faced with anyone who disagrees with them.
Reminds me of Rick (silent P) from The Young Ones only more self rightous
This is all very positive, means these roasters know their playtime is coming to an end.
🙂
It sounds like that poster “Quick, kids, get a career and a house now, while you still know everything!”
Personally, I’m feeling quite threatened by this and would like to report it under the HCA.
Oh My Goodness surely Ms Roddick will be slightly displeased at the tone YOUNG Dovydas appears to be using towards elderly over 30s
I assume young Dovydas will be making his views vehemently and vociferously known at any cross party group on islands because there is an unacceptable number of AULD people on that committee
It is somewhat confusing that young Dovydas appears to revile the decrepit elderly over 30s when so many of his heroes and heroines (am I allowed to say that now) like Nicoliar,Alyn and others are in a state of advanced decomposition
Can we be assured young Dovydas and young CaMORON Greer will be fully supportive and highly promoting the Assisted Dying Bill lodged at HR
It is really reassuring that young people like Dovydas are Scotland’s future, they will be a beacon of hope to other countries who also have decrepit auld arseholes in charge
I think their parents (if they are still alive at their ripe old age) should be really proud that they have instilled such progressiveness and civic enlightenment in their children
I remember fondly the days of the young gangs of Easterhouse,Castlemilk,Drumchapel,Bridgeton,Oxgangs, their harmony and inclusivity for other young people was legendary
Scotland for the YOUNG TEAM
His big mistake was joining the development group task force. He would have been better in the steering committee task force. Or even Burger King.
Youngsters eh?
When I was peripherally involved in student ‘politics’, I formed the impression that young ‘progressives’ fundamentally misunderstand what it means to be of the Left. They’re right around the corner and reappearing on the far right…
What a bizarre rant. He seems not to know it was the “old people” of Alex Salmond’s generation who built the SNP, made it successful, legislated for same sex marriage and created a truly progressive Scotland – one his lot of authoritarian, gender stereotyping zealots have trashed. It seems, despite the ageism, to actually mostly be targeted at Kate Forbes who is, by any definition, ‘the younger generation’. It’s fair to say he just despises anyone genuinely SNP or pro indy.
As Dovydas is clearly a huge fan of the Scottish Greens, we’re not sure why he’s so furious at what he anticipates as a flood of voters moving to them.
I don’t know if anyone’s been following what’s been going on with all the new Green councillors in England, but there’s a number of very dubious new councillors who are, to put it mildy, dodgy. There’s a number of exceptionally dubious Green politicians and hangers on in Scotland of which this lad has been emboldened by the way the Greens have had next to no scrutiny til fairly recently.
Conversely, we gather that it’s already been reported as a hate crime by some concerned citizens, given that it fairly clearly appears to incite hatred on the basis of age, one of the protected characteristics of the new Hate Crime Act.
Fantastic. As much as I despise the HCA, it’d be hilarious if he was prosecuted under the terms of the act, which from a layman’s view, that blog is something that would probably see him in court.
Thing is these people don’t want a broad church, or a consensus or to compromise which is the basis of politics. They want to rule by dicktat for the few & they’re not ‘progressive’ in the slightest as authoritarianism and bigotry isn’t progressive in my book.
Most of all, what’s going to be hilarious is when this boy hits his 30s and 40s and suddenly realises there’s younger generations trying to push him out the way. Though I doubt he’ll amount to anything more than a footnote in the history of these times, unless he goes to court of course…
Couldn’t be arsed reading through the diatribes by know-feck-all wee lefty smartarses. TL;DR version?
I can’t forgive myself for not only voting for Alyn Smith but campaigning to get him elected, so I don’t expect anyone else to. It didn’t take long (his first attendance at an SNP branch zoom meeting during Covid) for me to realise that he his interest in promoting independence was zilch.
Not long afterwards I and every other woman on the branch exec. left the SNP because (a) it had abandoned independence in favour of identity politics, particularly harmful ‘gender’ ideology) (b) there was no hope of reforming it due to the ‘ownership’ of its processes and positions by Team Sturgeon. When reformers were voted by the membership onto national committees the latter weren’t allowed to meet. I say this as someone who was voted onto such a committee. Alyn Smith memorably said “They (the reformers) have position but no power.” Damn straight, Alyn. Oops, could that fragment be construed as a hate crime? Honestly, as a mature person I meant it in a bland (‘un-reconstructed’ or ‘sane’, take your pick) sense.
Talking about ‘age’ — I’ve got news for Mr Dovydas and co. Far from blaming me, my teenage grandsons look to me to help them survive the injustice never mind insanity of what’s happening at their school. The boys have raised these issues with me as they feel confused and let down by the teachers who are supposed to protect children and young people, not collude with harmful and unsound propaganda. I did not initiate discussion as I’m mindful of the appalling treatment of pupils who challenge the overt promotion of propaganda by ‘Trans’-activist staff. Pupils have been shouted at and suspended from school for stating that it’s not possible for humans to change sex. Furthermore, children experiencing various of unresolved (by staff) problems (e.g. being bullied due to being overweight) are deciding that they’re not boys but girls or vice versa. And why wouldn’t they? There are exclusive clubs set up in the school to make them feel not only ‘safe’ but special. There aren’t coffee and cake events for ‘ordinary’ teenagers with or without problems. These fundraising events for LBGT (with posters all over the school saying NO LBG without T) are the ONLY such events.
Talk about hyperbole. Ach, fear not, Rev, life has a habit of bringing real reality to the young. Perhaps someone should remind him of how many children and youths of both sexes died in WW II and never got the chance to grow old and become a pain in the nethers and a burden on society. Many, many more died in the Soviet Union. Many more in Japan, China, Europe. That is what happens when people like him shut down debate and dialogue. The old die, too, of course, but not at the same rate as the youth.
That daft laddie singing, ‘The World Belongs to Me’ would have ended up six feet under, and those his utter stupidity left behind would have inherited starvation and extreme poverty for a number of years. Three million Germans died after the war ended. Dovydas’s name would be Lithuanian? Latvian? Estonian? He will know what his people endured during WW II and afterwards at the hands of madmen – Hitler and Stalin.
Alyn Smith is a Svengali who has latched on to the SNP for now. Scary guy. I’m not sure in whose image he models himself, but anyone who runs a stable of young men with those ideas needs to be checked up on by the security services. Or maybe he is the security services? Hard to tell with the SNP these days.
These clowns should be put up for question time, debate night etc just to show people, who don’t have a twitter, the people behind the scenes that accuse others of being bigots who are out with their circle jerking group.
Goodness, so this is type of nationalist hoping to build a new, inclusive, tolerant Scotland.
In a decade we’ve went from a civic nationalism where anyone of any race, sexuality, religion or politics would be included in an independent Scotland, to ‘our way or else’.
I think part of it is these people are coddled so they’ve been locked in their echo chambers with no criticism or scrutiny, and as soon as people say no to them they throw a tantrum. What worries me is people in positions of power will still listen to them and I hope Swinney finds the courage to tell them to go away.
Well, that’s certainly an argument to raise the voting age by a decade or two.
As AnnDon says these people do nothing but shout absolute pish and vitriol. I wish they would canvas and stand on stalls so that the public would realise how dead the SNP is.
That rant was incredible.
I wonder if he would be a better writer if he was less angry? I doubt it.
Reminds me of Logan’s Run. A popular TV series back in the 1970s. Everybody under the age of 30 was OK until their 30th Birthday. Then rather dramatically they had to be vaporised for the greater cause of the general population. The only solution was to run to the free hinterland and hope a Sandman didn’t catch you. Old people survived out in the hinterland. I always knew one day I would return to the Highlands!
When I was peripherally involved in student ‘politics’, I formed the impression that young ‘progressives’ fundamentally misunderstand what it means to be of the Left. They’re right around the corner and reappearing on the far right
I don’t think there’s been a time when the Horseshoe Theory is so prevalent, with the extreme left and right having so much common ground. These kids aren’t progressive or socialist or anything but authoritarian neoliberals at best, strict fascists at worst.
What worries me is that some of these people are getting more and more extreme on a number of issues from Trans rights, to the Gaza War, environmental issues, etc that I fear some of the bigotry and violence we’ve seen is going to escalate as they realise they’re not getting their way anymore.
“Spartan 117
Ignored says:
9 May, 2024 at 6:21 pm
Couldn’t be arsed reading through the diatribes by know-feck-all wee lefty smartarses. TL;DR version?”
You’ve covered it.
These fekwits probably wish Logans Run was a documentary.
Will the last grown up to leave the SNP kindergarten please turn off the lights.
Thank you.
What a f*”‘ing embarrassment the SNP has become…
Indy for Scotland!
SNP Out!
Thinking again, sounds a lot like a call for “””re-education camps””” for those who don’t think the way they do.
John C @ 18.30.
If this is what they envisage as “rational debate”, John, I despair. When I think of the heated arguments and discussions of the Trades Unionists of my teen years and the strong emotions on display it’s always pleasant to recall that they never ended in that type of rancorous, totalitarian display of intolerant entitlement.
As you say, such folk have probably yet to experience anyone saying “No” to them and meaning it.
However, I can’t really imagine “Nutella & Banana” John Swinney standing up to them.
I did not initiate discussion as I’m mindful of the appalling treatment of pupils who challenge the overt promotion of propaganda by ‘Trans’-activist staff. Pupils have been shouted at and suspended from school for stating that it’s not possible for humans to change sex.
That’s against the law & those schools open themselves up for prosecution if they do it. Schools and other organisations need to realise that Stonewall law isn’t the actual law which is one of the reasons I assume an increasing number of companies and organisations are withdrawing from Stonewall and what is essentially an enormous scam/protection scheme.
Furthermore, children experiencing various of unresolved (by staff) problems (e.g. being bullied due to being overweight) are deciding that they’re not boys but girls or vice versa. And why wouldn’t they? There are exclusive clubs set up in the school to make them feel not only ‘safe’ but special. There aren’t coffee and cake events for ‘ordinary’ teenagers with or without problems. These fundraising events for LBGT (with posters all over the school saying NO LBG without T) are the ONLY such events.
It’s grooming. Kids have a hard enough time as it is without all this Queer/Trans nonsense making their lives hell.
One of the things that made me realise what was going on was a friend’s daughter who was suffering hellish bullying, but the school rather than expel the kids bullying her, isolated her with other ‘troubled’ kids including some of the early Trans teens. Three weeks later she comes home to say she’s a he and wants to go on puberty blockers and aim for surgery when she’s old enough.
I accept now there’s going to be an amazing amount of damage done to young people but I hope at some point sooner rather than later that some of the people responsible for all this end up in the jail.
One thing that annoys me about stupid cunts is how they can’t accept when they “got a really good deal out of it”; Harvie retains incredible de-facto influence, whereas the toxic midget should by rights be cast beyond the doors of night … has Kate Forbes been calling for “corrective r4pe”? Is there no religious tolerance for presbyterians? Harvie, shiting it, never mentioned anything about islam, a very “socially conservative” ideology. But Harvie, and it must be the gay in him, just won’t let it rest – the wide eyed outrage never dims.
– then this guy .. that’s a colossal effort-post from the lad; impressive in a way, it’s so bad, it defies being picked apart, like it should be a re-write. The badness, the long winded sanctimony reminds me of … bella … and there it is! He learned his bullshit from the masters, Hassan and Small will be glowing.
But in the normal world, he … “writes like a pouf”. This is why we need to bring back bullying in schools. And the belt.
– the lithuanian angle is interesting – around the turn of last century some lithuanians turned up, most were catholics but some were jews; the catholics went to lanarkshire, the jews to the south side. The catholics were proper, hard-core catholics, so either he’s drifted a long way, or he is a tribal member. Normally I would against abortion, but this was a big miss for the hot needle and the dustbuster, shame his parents never believed in it. Maybe he exists because of a religion and values he hates.
There is certainly a bit of age-ist hate criminality going on there; no tolerance for bigots, mind, and he should be cancelled.
Part of me hopes for global war (just watched Fallout), and I think this fella should be drafted, to fight for trans rights in the yoo_kraine.
in other news, some amazing finds –
trans surgery is truly horrific
link to youtube.com
– we need to stop this madness, and yet smokey robinson never sounded better.
also found 10 hours worth of patrick harvie playing the pink oboe –
link to youtube.com
conspiracy theories suggest such “repetitive audio visual stimuli” have been used to facilitate trauma based mind control, ipcress style
@ George Ferguson
I was just about to post this but had a visitor wanting their lawnmower fixed so you beat me to it!
Footage of the next SNP Conference if the SNPYoof have their way.
(natch unrealistic numbers attending to fill that hall but you get the drift)
Logan’s Run Carousel (3mins)
link to youtube.com
But have they thought this age intolerance through, coz what happens when they get old…
Jeannie McCrimmon
Ignored
says:
9 May, 2024 at 5:36 pm
I vote for execution by boiling in the big soup pot.
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Seconded.
Why arent the Wokist Advocates of the seuxal absue of children not beingt arrested by the Police and charged with various crimes that should send them to special “safe” prisons and sex offender units?
It is ironic that if Swinney keels over then Kate Forbes will be SNP leader for a while at least. Then all hell will break loose.
A quick image search produced a photo of him standing in the Victoria Road entrance to Queens Park which is kind of fitting given that a seventy year old was murdered by a fifteen year old at that end of Victoria Road last month. People need to realise that Govanhill is the blueprint for all of Scotland in the future.
I guess I’d better reserve my slot at the euthanasia clinic then.
“In a decade we’ve went from a civic nationalism where anyone of any race, sexuality, religion or politics would be included in an independent Scotland, to ‘our way or else’.”
Very few countries give universal enfranchisement on constitutional matter in 2014 the SNP under Salmond did in the indyref vote and it cost us dearly with 72.1% of people from South of the border who live/lived in Scotland voting no to independence, whilst the majority of Scots did vote yes, that is a bit galling if you ask me.
Since then the incomers population has increased greatly and the hidden census that was a year late and cost millions more hasn’t been revealed to show us just exactly how many folk from South of the border have arrived in Scotland, the attitude towards who can and can’t vote in Scotland especially on constitutional matter has arisen and rightly so if you ask.
Is the Greer referred to any relative of Ginger Nuts ? It seems scarcely possible that even the indy movement could produce two prannocks of this calibre.
21 May 2024
Population by age and sex at all geographies down to output area (unrounded)
Number of households at all geographies down to output area (unrounded)
The 2022 output area boundaries will also be made available for download
21 May 2024
Ethnic group, national identity, language and religion
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It should be interesting when the above census results are published soon.
“Conversely, we gather that it’s already been reported as a hate crime by some concerned citizens, given that it fairly clearly appears to incite hatred on the basis of age, one of the protected characteristics of the new Hate Crime Act”
and religion:
“Your grandchild does think you are a terrible person for believing “normal Christian teaching” on abortion
Religions other than Christianity may have similar teachings.
and potential mis-gendering:
“Your grandchild does think…… . And she does think….”
How that this young man know if the grandchild is a he, a she or a “they”?
and political beliefs:
this individual falsely accuses people of being “actual murderers” for the mere reason of being part of a political party.
and race:
“people like you cannot be listened to”
“or any of its fellow travellers”
White Christians are not the only ones who may have objections to abortion. Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Jewish, Sikhs, may too.
Transgender identity, sexual orientation and disability:
“a social democratic welfare state where they (young scots) and their friends are accepted for who they fucking are”
In line with the above, it seems like in the disturbed mind of this young individual, those who are no longer young don’t longer have to be “accepted for who they fucking are”, and that includes those with transgender identity, disabled and gay people because they become old too.
So it seems the young Dovydas has pissed on each and every one of the five protected characteristics included in the Hate Crime bill.
I find this individual’s ramblings disturbing. They are not even funny. They are irrational, delusional, ridiculous. They give the impression of a very confused, troubled and dangerous mind that is completely detached from reality, social norm, morality, empathy or respect for others. These ramblings come across as those of a sociopath. I think this person needs help.
But what I find even more disturbing is that ANYBODY in the SNP could have ever displayed the unprecedented level of idiocy and negligence of validating such irrational nonsense and allowed disturbed individuals like this to hold them and the party to ransom. This is negligence on steroids. People who are so embarrassingly weak that bent to sociopaths demonstrate they do not have the presence of mind to distinguish what is right from what is wrong, what is real from what is not, what is respectful from what is not, what is acceptable and what is not, and what is reasonable and what is not. Such people are not fit to hold office and therefore should have never been allowed anywhere near the levers of power. What the hell were they thinking? What the hell those around them were thinking? How could they possibly allow our government to be held to ransom by completely delusional extremists like this?
How could they have been so stupid?
@Dan 7:09pm
Thanks Dan that clip of the Carousel spooked me because the uniform of the Sandmen looked suspiciously like the Fintry Shams a gang that tried to hunt me down a few times. I wouldn’t join them so I had to die. Youngsters today need investment in their characters best served by loving parents and Grandparents. Intergenerational relationships is vital to children’s well-being and not the State.
That was the most utterly unhinged load of stinking bilge I’ve read in a long time. Totally off the planet. The likes of this Dovydas Kuliešas character haven’t the remotest clue how alienating and irrelevant their wacky obsessions are to the general public.
Incidentally, I’m wondering what on earth all this identity politics and ‘women have penises’ garbage has got to do with independence. We voted SNP because we want Scotland to be independent. They have totally failed to deliver and they deserve nothing but contempt.
Worm complains tearfully when his host goes to the surgery for treatment for a nasty intestinal parasite.
“I was peacefully sitting here in his gut sucking his lifeblood when the old bastard decided to throw me out. How dare he!’ screeched the young bloodsucker.
Two things about this that demonstrate the sheer and utter stupidity of the author. Firstly if you are what you identify as then what is an old man!
Secondly does he not realise that he will grow old and this more wrong?
Stupidity is not curable sadly
It was always going to come to this, just a pity the SNP have gone out of their way to put Swinney in as a buffer between Forbes and the intolerant youth, thus dumbing down the outrage, even Alyn Smith is trying to appear “normal” he must be shitting it now that he doesn’t have the back up of Sturgeon and her Mandela United
Fuck me, wind your neck in you insufferable little cunt
Not happy at being labelled a “Pootin apologist”.
Not happy at the writer assuming my grand-daughter’s pronouns (“she” and “her” being used throughout – hypocrisy in clear view).
Not happy at Christianity being singled out, while yet again, Islam gets a free pass. That’s just yellow.
Very happy to see this shite being given the oxygen of publicity. Give it more, saturate it with oxygen, shout it from the rooftops.
No such thing as bad publicity, eh?
People on here have the nerve to castigate me for objecting to paying through the nose to live in this dump. I bet I’ve been subsidising the author of this shite for most of his miserable existence.
The author is full of fascistic blather, for sure. His insurmountable problem is, unlike in Nazi times when the NSDAP picked-on an estimated 3% of the population to hate, along with anyone else who didn’t match their ideological template, he’s picked a huge demographic to hate, one that he’ll unavoidably be joining in the not so distant future.
What an ineffable wee: “Logan’s Run” prick.
I could get irate at this rage and hate – filled diatribe.
However, for all its fury and vileness, it is the unfettered screeches of an impotent loser who knows, but will not admit, that the game is over and his team lost.
If this Twitler Jugend is representative of Socialist Nationalist Party Scotland, I’m glad I’m 68 and a member of Alba. I am in opposition to nearly everything this bigoted fanatic supports.
If they’re upset now, imagine what it’s going to be like when the election results come in…
A lot of people are going to be looking for jobs. And a lot of them aren’t going to find jobs.
That’s how it goes.
He’s right the SNP are a broad church. They accept every weirdo who’s been knocked back from every other club in Scotland. They don’t let normal people have a voice , because we are all bigots.
I read Roddy Dunlop’s precis of the HCB on here and therefore I am almost qualified to adjudicate on it.
This is an open and shut case of stirring up hate on the basis of age. It could not be more blatant, it really could’nt.
Paragraphs and paragraphs of it.
Full fulminating ageism in hundreds and hundreds of bigoted words.
Am I joking because actually this is a crime according to the SNPG.
So will they enforce their own hate legislation or will they by not doing so admit it was always about persecuting their political enemies and not their hate filled, hate espousing, political friends above.
“We Are The Future”
A more suitable name might be ‘We Are The Future Past’, circa 1930s Europe, perhaps.
Dovydas Kuliešas is maybe a perect example of the ‘Dunning-Kruger effect’, (people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities).
That fellow Dovydas is not meaning one iota of that drivel! He is a comic genius or I’m a monkey’s proverbial.
I see Kelly Given is thinking about leaving the SNP
Now there would be a loss!!
He/ She/ It (Hope I have covered all the possibilities there as I am over 30) sounds like they *are away wi the faeries* as they used to say..
History just keeps on repeating itself.
Thank feck we lost the referendum.
Just imagine how shit things would be now.
This is a global neo liberal epidemic that is thankfully now in decline.
Go woke go broke etc etc.
@ shug
Kelly Given thinking? You’ll need to provide some evidence to verify she’s capable of such skills.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
For readers who advocate gaming Holyrood’s AMS/D’Hondt electoral system – and there are many – the Rev’s article should serve as a stark warning: you are playing with fire.
The odious creatures described in the article have a voice because the system was gamed in 2021, and Sturgeon, rather than going it alone with a workable 64 MSPs, brought them on board.
The weakness of gaming can be shown by considering the outcome of a (highly unlikely) case where a Holyrood election was called tomorrow, and SNPs estimated half million remaining voters all voted SNP1/green2. This would result in SNP getting between 2 and 10 constituency seats – which would be fantastic – but greens would win 20-25 list seats.
That is an extreme scenario, but even ignoring that possibility, if those voting for second parties are naïve enough to vote in sufficient numbers for green2, they will have a growing influence way, way above their 2% or 3% polling.
That’s what can happen if you vote 1 & 2 for different candidates as many of those who choose different candidates will have no thoughts about gaming or the possible ramifications.
And those who go down that route with the intention of gaming might THINK that their choice could do well as a result, they might think that others share that opinion, but there is no way of knowing, and that is the danger.
@ AndyH: “Thank feck we lost the referendum.”
I think if we’d won everything would be quite different. The entire population was engaged and pretty well-informed so they would have been involved with the discussions about a written constitution. We probably would have had a form of direct democracy a la Switzerland where the electorate can stop politicians doing mad or bad legislation.
Never heard of this shower, who appear to ooze self entitlement and think that the rest of the world is obliged to give a shit about what they have to say on any given Satuesday, until today…
link to sensibility.scot
Their banner states…
“Toward a positive, inclusive, and progressive, independent Scotland for all”
Unless you’re old, apparently…
Their blog also states:
“In the name of promoting reasoned, nuanced discussion of issues, this blog will not support comments. ”
I haven’t laughed so much since watching Sturgeon’s last appearance on TV concerning the charging of her husband!
“Sensibility”!?!?! LOL!
What’s next? Are we going to have BNP supporters setting up a blog called “Harmony”?
If these idiots represent the “future” then runaway global warming may well do us all a favour.
link to sensibility.scot
Link that works.
D = Dumb
O = Obsequious
V = Volksschädling labelling
Y = YouthWing
A = AlexSalmondphobe
S = Sycophant
K = Kunt
U = Unemployable-shortly
L = Loser
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E = Extremist
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Ebok
Ignored says:
9 May, 2024 at 10:05 pm
….The weakness of gaming can be shown by considering the outcome of a (highly unlikely) case where a Holyrood election was called tomorrow, and SNPs estimated half million remaining voters all voted SNP1/green2. This would result in SNP getting between 2 and 10 constituency seats – which would be fantastic – but greens would win 20-25 list seats.
The weakness in your argument is a disingenuous fraud like Sturgeon, not the “List Party” strategy which you describe as gaming the system.
The whole point was to have a List Party, ALBA, picking up those 20-25 List seats, and thus augmenting an SNP Constituency majority with an ALBA List Seat majority, and thereby have pro Independence supermajority which could power towards Indyrf2 without seeking Westminster’s “permission”.
The strategy was sound. ALBA were sincere, and Salmond’s timely initiative was inspired. The tre@chery lay in Sturgeon, subverting any prospect of a pro-Independence supermajority through her fear of Alex Salmond, the man she’d freshly conspired to destroy.
Don’t blame the strategy. In it lay victory for Scotland. Sturgeon was its undoing, and may she rot in hell for wrecking Independence for a third time, the nasty little wretch.
Another spoilt bairn needing telt. Not surprised to see that he worked for Emma Roddick. In which connection, link to x.com. Bet she isn’t so keen on John Swinney now.
Patrick Harvey has a problem with Kate Forbes taking us back to the 1950s but had no problem with Humza taking us back to the 1500s. A chap who made a publicity statement out of bringing his personal faith into Bute House.
Islam is not known for its modern liberal views is it.
What a wally
FFS. It’s like something written for the People’s front of Judea.
“In the real world of real ppl this does not affect you..”
LMFAO! I wish it didn’t. Their pish is everywhere, from schools to the workplace & even enforced, like the Nazi youth, snitching on their parents/neighbours with the latest hotline direct to the polis if their pronoun is wrong.
These sad fucks think they’re *progressive*
They’re Delusional.
It was a bad idea to give angry incels a vote lol Now they think they can enforce the electorate to comply with their temper tantrums & vote SNP & Green to continue their …er…good work. Away & raffle. Typical narcissist – it’s not him that’s the problem for the party sinking to the abyss – it’s everyone else’s.
*Can someone remind me what their beef is with abortion please?
chris moore says:
9 May, 2024 at 9:19 pm
“That fellow Dovydas is not meaning one iota of that drivel! He is a comic genius or I’m a monkey’s proverbial.”
==========
I think you could be on the Money here.
I am something of a connoisseur of diatribes and this one is fantastic. 10/10.
The content is, of course, totally unhinged but the form is brilliant. It is surely a parody marred only by the fact there is no top over which this boy won’t go!
“Islam is not known for its modern liberal views is it.”
What religion is?
Please don’t make me quote Leviticus.
What did Leviticus ever do to you?
What is liberal views these days anyway? They’re cracking skulls & detaining people across the pond for protesting (even just passers by on the way to class LOL) & here they’d love to crack a few skulls if you don’t have a pronoun.
So much for liberty & equality in the West eh?
“The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long, and you have burned so very very brightly, Dovydas”
I think we should step aside and let the poor boy get on with it. The destruction of the SNP would be absolute, and with a bit of luck they’d all take themselves out in the crossfire.
Dopyass Dovydas is an angry insignificant little fellow with “44 followers” and his only political achievement is getting his expletive-laden article and name mentioned on WOS. He ironically has a sideswipe at Alex Salmond, an old man with tens-of-thousands of followers, an old man who has achieved many things in his political career such as the legalising of same sex marriages. As they say these days, go figure. LOL!
You know, I have a degree of empathy with this Dovydas person. When I was twelve years old, I too believed I was RIGHT all the time, and all the ‘old fogeys’ were wrong to the extent they really should do us all a favour and shut the f*** up.
But, alas that was when I was twelve years old. The I grew the f*** up. What I realised upon going to university was that I was wrong, not ALL young people thought the same as me, indeed most had very different opinions.
The worst thing, I mean the VERY WORST thing the independence movement or even the SNP could do, is take even one word from this man-child Dovydas seriously. The lad is a tube.
Breeks at 1225am
Ah, Breeks, yet again I find myself in full agreement. Your final paragraph, is worth re-quoting in full;
Quote
“Don’t blame the strategy. In it lay victory for Scotland. Sturgeon was its undoing, and may she rot in hell for wrecking Independence for a third time, the nasty little wretch.“.
Could not agree more.
@ Hatuey says: 10 May, 2024 at 1:53 am
“Please don’t make me quote Leviticus”
We could quote Leviticus all we want. We could tear it to shreds, both metaphorically in print or online, and literally on Princes Street in front of the invited TV cameras.
We could do all that with every book of the bible, old or new. We could paint pictures of everybody in it, or draw cartoons, or make a film with every character blaspheming, eff-ing and blinding.
Neither of us would be killed, or have to spend the rest of our lives in hiding because we had been sentenced to death.
Yet again, you post on this pro-Scotland, pro-Indy site in favour of a foreign culture, a foreign set of values, and a foreign religion intrinsically hostile to native Scots.
shug @ 1:07 am
“Patrick Harvey has a problem with Kate Forbes taking us back to the 1950s but had no problem with Humza taking us back to the 1500s.”
Conflicts with invaders and their ‘cultural imperialism’ seeking to exploit arguably began long before, pre-dating even the Romans, merger with Gaels, and Viking occupation, though the ‘customary foe’ remains the same, more or less:
“The earliest surviving document to use the name Picts is the Latin panegyric dedicated to Constantius Caesar, dated to AD 297; this refers to the “Picti” as customary foes of the “Brittani” or Britons (Aitchison 2003). The name ‘Picti’ was said to be in use after the campaigns of Septimius Severus early in the third century (Laing and Laing 2001). Both the Picts and Caledonians (also known as the Verturiones and Dycalydones) are described in AD 313 by Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus, with the Dycalydones also mentioned in Tacitus’ account of Agricola’s Roman campaigns in north-east Scotland.”
John C
Ignored says:
9 May, 2024 at 6:20 pm
As Dovydas is clearly a huge fan of the Scottish Greens, we’re not sure why he’s so furious at what he anticipates as a flood of voters moving to them.
The Greens are welcome to them. This chap reminds me of that weird Greer fellow. I do pity the genuine greens, but these men-children need somewhere to go. A trash can would be more appropriate. However, they want to mould the world in their own image and refuse to let up. They may be in for a nasty surprise though. The public do vote habitually along party lines, but they are not stupid. The red line has been crossed. Big backlash coming, methinks. Not soon enough.
The photographs of gender mutilation are legion. Those who carry out and authorise these legalised acts of butchery are no less than those ideologues who did so at the extermination camps in the 40’s
I do hope and pray that one enlightened day all of those cheerleaders are held responsible and will pay for their crimes against humanity.
There has to be justice for their rank abuse of the vulnerable.
The old adage was that it takes a village to raise a child, so in the bairn’s formative years they would be exposed to a diverse range of people and views outwith the restricted outlook of just the insular family unit.
With the dawn of the internet and smartphones some children often spend way too much of their time self-absorbed in their own chosen insular bubble of like-minded individuals, so they become hive-minded and fail to properly develop the necessary life skillsets of being well-adjusted and tolerant individuals capable of getting on with folk in wider society.
The Yewkay Eurovision entry features man on man sex in a toilet.
Is there a trigger warning?
Would that be a Westminster or Holyrood toilet or one in of many dysfunctional HM prisons?
An unintended percipient comment on the pitiful state of HM’s realm, maybe?
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It is indeed unacceptable to write with such hatred . I am pleased our government has laws now to tackle this level of hate within our society and concerned citizens can help out .
The police are encouraging this level of responsibility.
The John Smith Centre has announced that Eddie Barnes is to be its new Director. Barnes is presently Director at Gordon Brown’s, Our Scottish Future, a devolutionist pressure group. Our Scottish Future is curiously a Private Company rather than a Charity.
Our Scottish Future lists its Advisory Board. These are predominantly Labour Party functionaries with a few LibDems thrown in. First on the untitled, non-alphabetical list is Andrew Hilland.
From the site bio.: “Andrew is an executive at the strategic advisory firm Hakluyt. Born and raised in Lanark, he graduated from Oxford University in law and has worked subsequently as a lawyer and a human rights activist. His work has taken him to the US, where he helped represent prisoners on death row, and to the UN, where he presented a report on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.”
Hakluyt is a private intelligence outfit set up and staffed by former Officers of MI5 & MI6. Andrew is to put no fine point on it, a Spook.
Hilland will not have to follow his boss over to the John Smith Centre, they already have their resident spook in the shape of former Hakluyt Director, Baroness Smith of Gilmorehill.
Alyn Smith bears a remarkable resemblance to my grand daughter’s Guinea Pig.
Don’t know why Patrick Harvie is making such a (bigoted) fuss over KFs religion. Has he looked at what HY follows? Did he voice his displeasure at that? Nah, thought not. Just another Green Alphabet anti-Christian bigot.
Nasty wee gets these Greens, eh. Not so much a chip on the shoulder as a whole chippy.
Ughh – no doubt filmed in the ladies.
Dan.
Exactly. Probably plonked in front of the teletubbies untill they were old enough for a playstation.
Going back to the article – was it Smith who called SNP membership dinosaurs? I seem to remember that “spring chicken” being ageist before along with other insults about being nasty nats. Peter Pan there let the camel in the big tent to kill off the SNP. Who can forget his boyfriend Jordon & his rants & bullying of MSPs & MPs.
This gay old fogey is delighted to deny trans children the right to choose their own puberty because trans children are human beings like all children and human beings don’t get to deny their own humanity or deny their own DNA.
Just let trans kids grow up without encouraging them to participate in a ‘drug-n-cut’ culture. To coin a phrase:
“Leave trans kids alone you absolute Tennants!”
I do wonder how much of the green lighting to NuGender has come from this secretive band, the World Economic Forum.
The WEF is economically and socially ultraliberal. It despises ethnic nationalism believing in a corporatist world governance with not a few interesting Chinese features. It is no friend of Scots dissolving the link with England, but then who is…(irony)
It is not hot on true science the stuff involving brains and lots of mental energy, per se, except when science can deliver off the shelf global medicalization strategems that will put wads of cash into the pants pockets of the already megarich fatcats via their investments in pharmaceutical conglomerates. It, unsurprising, likes so called «artificial intelligence». AI is the up coming big brother informant in your living room, bed room and maybe inside your body.
LGBTxyz the WEF would mate with, if that were biologically fixable, but someone is no doubt working on that divine error. LGBTxyz is the spawn of globalism. All countries have queers so their porno size member is through the door promoting a sexed up version of colonialism.
No same sex unions how backward etc.
An insight into the SCHWAB universe is a book by Peter S Goodman, «DAVOS MAN».
All the manipulators are in there. Engrossing and chilling account of the corporatist planet in embryo. Fascism resurgent. Long live the stakeholder. Adieu, citizen democracy.
All extremist groups throughout history have used unhinged young people like this to create an atmosphere of hate and terror.
Oh, Alex, what possessed you. If you had stayed on, we could probably have avoided the worst of this.
It’s just as well Kate Forbes is a woman. Can you imagine the furore if a white, Christian man had been appointed DFM?
A real Christian man, that is, not a token spiritual cross-dresser trying to fool everyone. 🙂
DAVOS MAN is downloadable gratis, from
link to pdfdrive.to
Have a good day!
My dad used to say that the far right and the far left meet up round the back.
When people ask me would I rather go forward in time or back in time (you’d be surprised how often I get asked that), I always say back. No way I’d want to see the bourach that these lot are going to make of things. I’m glad I’ll be dead relatively soon, they’re making their bed and they can lie in it.
TURABDIN
Name any problem of the current age contributing to the decay and decline of the Western world and the oppression of its populations, you can bet the WEF are behind it.
They are pushing hard on anti-democratic policy, China being the model; they want us as mechanised drones to be used for whatever they choose. They want to take away your vote, your voice, your education, your travel, what you eat, anything that remotely makes you human and resembles any semblance of freedom or free will.
Three particular tools are bring used for this – firstly, Net Zero, under the lies of “Climate change”; secondly, Alphabet weirdness, to destroy the very fabric of civilised society; thirdly, the deliberate removal and denial of democratic process – most Western politicians are captured by the WEF and are following the programme.
Fun fact:- Nicola Sturgeon is a WEF fan girl.
That sounded like an demented rant by a deluded child.
The really sad thing is that nowhere is he rallying his supporters to act towards independence.
It looks like our youth aren’t so much about the future, but about preserving our past as an occupied country with our masters in Westminster. Isn’t that what they call conservative thinking? 🙂
The SNP must be destroyed if independence is to be achieved. The pro-indy movement needs a radical alternative. If Alba was to adopt abstentionism they’d be independence leaders overnight and the independence movement in general would get a tremendous boost. And britnats would self-combust in rabid rage…
Luigi
The Russiaphopes would go into meltdown if that happened.
Wee Harvie doesn’t think he has a religion lol. It’s the church of LGBTQWERTYS2 +++++ & unbelievers should be punished. The harsher the better.
Delusional or what?
This dafty is in for a real shock if and when he has to work for a living.
As we have long known (and he undoubtedly confirms) a high proportion of this bollocks is driven by mental illness.
I do hope he gets better soon, especially since most psychiatric beds have been closed.
I doubt he’ll get the care he clearly needs in the community.
@Turabdin, Ghislaine Maxwell was, last time I checked, still listed as a WEF Champion Of Technology. The owner of TIME magazine which promoted HY is a member of the WEF.
@Spartan117, three heads of the hydra are the queering of the children in Western nations, using environmentalism as an excuse for a social reset with opaque companies set up to harvest money like Lorna Slaters’ shelved scheme and mass immigration as a form of incremental genocide, there are too many people for the planet to survive so do not have children/you have not had enough children so people whose cultures have lots of children will be coming in to sort that out. We are heading towards Chinese style social credit where currencies and/or paper money/coin will be abolished (the Guardian publishes periodical pieces promoting this), we have seen debanking used as a punishment against the owner of this site. Control of the political sphere, finance, advertising, publishing, entertainment, media be it written, visual or social, academia, law, health, social housing/services, the Arts and the charity sector are all engaged to implement this.
” If Alba was to adopt abstentionism they’d be independence leaders overnight.”
Doug, you are absolutely right. They could keynote it with various words: ‘Abstention’ or ‘Direct Democracy’ or ‘Scottish Sovereignty’ – but if they fought the election on a promise to work hard for their constituents but not visiting Westminster, unless the attendance had a direct tangible benefit for their constituents, and was at the request of their constituents, it would give them an enormous fillip.
They are going to get nowhere playing the Westminster game or trying to do unity deals with the SNP, so this is the direction for them to go. I can’t understand why they can’t see this.
Now I realise that the AUOB money has been spent on Freddo bars…
Breeks @ 12.25am
We have locked horns a couple of times recently, Breeks, something I regret as I follow your comments with great interest and invariably agree with you.
On this occasion, you seem to be shifting the goalposts by disagreeing with something that hasn’t been said.
The point of my comment was to highlight dangers of using the list vote as a second choice. That is not the same as voting for a list party only.
What I am maintaining is that from an objective stance, voting 1&2 for the same party is logical and safe, just as FPtP is. It prevents minorities from calling the shots. Mix and match is dangerous and its advocates are, IMHO, misguided.
SNP 1&2 is the vote that sticks in many throats, but it wasn’t that which gave us this omnishambles. If every SNP voter had gone 1&2, there would be no green MSPs, 65 SNP MSPs, and 64 unionists or vice-versa – I haven’t made that calculation.
That outcome could hardly be worse than it is at present, and indeed would have given enormous powers to rebellious MSPs such as Regan and Ewing. Sturgeon couldn’t have gotten away with half the shit she’s laid on us.
Alba’s share would have been unaffected because there wasn’t enough time to make the case for Alba2.
If you wish to disagree with my point that 1&2 is sound, please tell me which two parties you’d be inclined to vote for in 2026 and I will be happy to respond.
@Anton Decadent – indeed. I had forgotten about the deliberate mass replacement programme and the featuring of Useless on TIME. Plus Stu’s debanking.
Sick and wicked people. Anyone stupid enough to vote Tory, Labour, Snip, Dim Lib, Green etc is guilty of endorsing this, they all march to the WEF drum.
I read in the Independent that Brexiteers on a parliamentary committee have warned that Brits and NATO personnel could be blocked by the EU from entering Gibraltar if it goes ahead with a settlement negotiated because of Brexit.
Unique EU relationships for N Ireland, Gibraltar and the Channel Islands but Scotland go #### Itself as you are owned, powerless and hopeless.
If only we had an independence party to raise this issue and walk out of Westminster.
Another species of «CIRCUS».
link to archive.ph
And the woman during whose tenure two fires occurred gets off uncharred.
It is said she was a pal of…….guess?
Notre Dame is taking less time to restore….
lawyers, insurance companies a stitch up forged in hellfire to line deep pockets.
The French have a sense of pride.
In nuScotland «pride» signifies but(t) one thing.
“Independence can be delivered in 5 years” says Sturgeon’s puppet.
By who?
The devo-max supporting, pound-shop political midgets in the SNP?
They’ll be too busy troughing to think Indy because in 5 years time the SNP will be a museum piece through a combination of scandal, political oblivion and bankruptcy.
The SNP are dead already. But, as with all zombies, they just don’t realise it yet.
Indy for Scotland!
SNP Out!
Very few countries give universal enfranchisement on constitutional matter in 2014 the SNP under Salmond did in the indyref vote and it cost us dearly with 72.1% of people from South of the border who live/lived in Scotland voting no to independence, whilst the majority of Scots did vote yes, that is a bit galling if you ask me.
If people want Scottish independence to be based around blood and soil ethnic nationalism then I’d vote to stay in the union. I want no part of that, neither I think would a number of other people regardless of where they were born.
This is just the same as those headcases who say next vote should include Scots living outwith Scotland, which is also blood and soil nationalism. No, Salmond got it right. Where we failed was making a solid enough case for people to vote for it. No amount of conspiracy or sour grapes can hide that.
Re Charles Rennie MACKINTOSH…
He is held in high regard in Europe, a continent where they name streets after famous sons and daughters.
An Italian company launched reproductions of his unique chair designs.
Scotland….WAKE UP!
The photographs of gender mutilation are legion.
I mentioned about my friend’s daughter who wanted to transition & have surgery earlier in the comments. When she was talking about surgery I’d foolishly assumed such surgery was safe & wasn’t a Wild West of what wouldn’t even be called ‘experimental’.
So I contact an old school transexual I used to work with who’d went through full surgery in his 30s and asked him about it. His reaction was one of horror and he explained what they do for a FtM operation & suggested I Google the results. So I did. If anyone’s seen the pictures you know what came up and this was in 2012/3 when this was all just starting to be a big thing.
Once I was told that one of the reasons transexuals never used to be approved for surgery until in their 20s at least was that nobody then though people in their teens were mentally or physically mature enough to deal with the consequences of such surgery. That of course, is all out the window now as health services around the world have adopted the affirmation model which is what Harvie and The Greens want to maintain in Scotland, regardless of the dangers or the damaged people it leaves in its wake.
Do you know that on the likes of Tumblr or Reddit you have TRAs telling young girls that don’t worry if you change your mind, you can get breast implants when you’re older? I don’t think most people are quite aware of how many TRAs are complete monsters & in this regard, I’d include the Greens in that catagory.
The long years of silence and invisibility of SNP MPs suggest that “abstentionism” is just one more policy pushed through without it having been in their manifesto.
@ John C
Absolutely correct.
Also. I think it’s time for Alex Salmond to take more of a back seat or change tactics.
Alba need to use every moment of exposure to the maximum and highlight the SNPs inaction on Independence.
I suspect Mr Salmond thinks Alba offers him a back door into the SNP again.
religion?
– all the major religions – catholicism, islam, judaism (maybe also buddhism and hindus) are against, in broad terms “degeneracy”
– protestants, generally try to be “progressive” which means not actually believing in anything, and just “trying to get along”; most of them, that is, though the extremists still do have firm beliefs, e.g. presbyterians, southern baptists.
– the most ironic thing about “woke-ism” is that it is, in essence, a new global religion being imposed, top-down, by elites. Operationally it is a form of neo-puritanism, which needs to be understood.
In puritanism/presbyterianism/extreme proddyism – there is no salvation, no free will, no “doing good works to buy yourself a place in heaven”, it is all predetermined, ye are of the elect or ye be damned. Since we all start at zero, or rather are in original sin, and there is nothing which can aid your situation, it is very much a game you can only lose. Winning thus becomes a matter of “going backwards slower than the next guy” – to protect yourself, get your accusations in first – mistress martha she be cavorting with satan in the graveyard … and she has a black cat …
Witch Hunts! – a prod phenomenon, not the inquisition. Get on that fucking twitter and hunt down the racists and the transphobes, virtue signal along the purity spiral into madness!
Satanism seems to be the most “progressive” of the religions and the incarnation Baphomet, had a dick AND a pair of tits. Which is probably a coincidence.
As for the modern fetish “access to healthcare” (abortion), this seems to mirror the hebrews period when they sacrificed their children to Moloch, by throwing them into a fiery furnace underneath the idol; maybe jehovah wasn’t working out, so they decided to hedge their bets.
Destroying your children via drugs and genital mutilation is another form of sacrifice.
GIVE US YOUR KIDS SO WE CAN SLICE THEIR JIMMIES AND HACK THEIR TITTIES !!!!
I hope Dovidas reads this – Tomorrow belongs to me!
Outstanding work. I love Wings Over Scotland. You’ve completely destroyed him ahahahah.
YES! Brilliant!
Dovydas Kuliešas sounds like some kind of Lithuanian name.
Last I checked… We left the EU.
Your VISAs UP!
The youth have been brainwashed once before in history,
They were buried for their beliefs en masse during WW2.
We are now on the brink of WW3, are they ready today to die for their beliefs, for it is the youth that are called upon first, and as they die the next youthful generation are conscripted,
Ahh, “global civic society” introduced in Scotland will target the easily brainwashed youth first to fight and die for their beliefs, the old fogies are usually left at home, and usually survive,
#trigger warning. The Lithuanians fought with the NAZI party during WW2. Didn’t they? 50,000 Lithuanian Volunteers in the German Wehrmacht!
Guess what Davidas…
We won!
Wayheyyy!
The Scots are in the process of being extinguished as a people and as a nation. Not the English, the Scots.
Clunky cliches and language like ‘blood and soil nationalism’ are often deployed by oppressors in their attempts to discredit a people’s legitimate right to exist.
None but the Scots should have a say in their own future as a people and as a nation.
None but the Scots should get to decide whether they continue to exist as a unique people or be assimilated by a foreign, an alien, culture.
None but the Scots have any legitimate right whatsoever to participate in what are entirely Scottish affairs.
It really isn’t the business of foreign nations and their peoples to dictate what the Scots do with their own lives and in their own country.
It puzzles me that so many folk are willing to take the World Economic Forum at face value. Take a sceptical perspective and concentrate on their rather ostentatious presentation. It’s a clear psyop.
Klaus Schwab looks like a Bond villain, dresses like a Bond villain, acts like a Bond villain and talks like a Bond villain. It’s all too obvious.
Their events are geared to maximise exposure. Controversial issues such as the infamous talk on genetic engineering humans to make them allergic to consuming meat, are slickly filmed and distributed. They know this will cause outrage yet they actively seek out publicity. Everything is geared to distraction, camouflage and subterfuge.
Running the WEF psyop is of course not cheap, so why is it necessary and what does it achieve?
The WEF are running cover for nameless, faceless bureaucratic drones in Foggy Bottom who plot and conspire to manipulate Western society to a create a passive populace under a technocratic, dictatorial, Permanent State.
“Alba’s share would have been unaffected because there wasn’t enough time to make the case for Alba.”
Ebok, I don’t think it was that. Alba’s message got through well enough, but because of Nicola’s Fatwa on Alex, the SNP loyalists who understood the second vote gave it to the Greens rather than Alba.
SNP leadership and a very sizable number of their membership would rather cut off their own heads than rub shoulders with Alba.
Alba needs to accept that now and stop being the wee, slightly better SNP.
They should make their pitch on sovereignty and the Claim of Right, and stop saying people should give their first vote to the SNP. The SNP back in the day had to listen to Labour hold that gun to people’s heads ‘vote for them and you are letting in the Tories’. But eventually people ignored it and the SNP started climbing the rungs of the ladder to power.
Same thing needs to happen now to the SNP.
@David Hannah
I prefer this Lithuanian
link to m.youtube.com
HE’S A NICE CARING SORTA GUY..FROM NORWAY.
(Not for the squeamish)
link to archive.ph
If you log on to the internet…
Northcode – Cultural appropriation began in the 1920’s. It started in Edinburgh and was warned about by McDiarmid. It spread to the highlands and islands. An alien culture now pervades in these places. It is now on the march in every well to do town in Scotland. The only sanctuary for indigenous Scots are the working class areas of Glasgow, Lanarkshire, West Lothian , Dundee and Fife. Every other area of Scotland is being eaten away at bit by bit. So gradual we hardly notice.
Scotland’s unique culture is being lost. Not by diversity. Instead by a monolithic migration from a single country. That’s what happens when you are not independent.
It’s what happened to the Gaels , who were removed from the islands. To be replaced by settlers from Yorkshire and Surrey.
In 2021, inflow from the rest of the UK was 14,400 higher (+34%) than the previous year, while 8900 more people moved to Scotland from the rest of the UK than left.
It’s been a while but John C picks up and runs with the #FranchiseKlaxon
Aye, lets just give everyone that rocks up a vote on Scotland’s constitutional future, even though they may have only just arrived, may have no intention or long term commitment to staying here long, and have a get out of the shit card to play if they don’t like it here because they have the ability to escape and return to their homeland if they choose.
It’s sooo progressive to dilute democracy and deny a peoples their right to self-determination.
And for clarity, calling to restrict aspects of the franchise like voting eligibility through duration of residence is not necessarily blood and soil ethnic nationalism.
Another side to immigration is that by folk making the choice to leave their homeland because it is more advantageous to go elsewhere, it means that their homeland loses citizens that could have stayed and voted to better influence and steer the course their homeland takes to better suit there ideals.
You can throw in that all we need to do is better convince folk, but you handily omit to acknowledge the massive influencing power of the Unionist controlled media that Scots are up against, and good luck trying to explain the complexities of Scotland’s political predicament and voting systems to folk with little if any knowledge of the subject and limited comprehension of the English language.
I know quite a few EU nationals that just rock up here for summer, pay little if any taxes but use our health services, then go home to avoid our harsh winters. Even after informative conversations with them they remain utterly clueless on the intricacies and nuances of Scottish politics.
I have an English neighbour who has lived here for decades but she didn’t vote in the 2014 Indyref because she felt it was for Scots to decide, which I felt was a very principled position to take. I’d certainly not feel I had any right to move to another country and have an instant right to vote on its future without meeting at least some basic enfranchisement criteria.
I have mentioned before that england is destined to fall beneath the waves and some people might have thought I was joking, well …
link to nakedcapitalism.com
– and what happens will be either a massively expensive program of coastal flood defences, or mass migration to “higher lying lands” … either way, we are on the hook for this, yet again.
The grand infrastructure programs are not going well – the nuclear power is already well behind, and for a shocking read, check out the telegraph of yesterday which gives a detailed and incredibly frank account of the new nuke underground dump (a cavern twice the volume of wembley stadium) which will take generations to build and will cost a fortune. Revealed in the article is how we already have, literally, a million tons of radioactive shit, and it was recommended to stop making it, way back, because we produced too much … they did not.
– the “good news” is, amazingly, it is NOT in Scotland (the 2 proposed sites are off cumbria, or the yorkshire coast), but I wouldn’t count on that because – english political opposition will be fierce and they can always hurt their politicians at the ballot box, whereas Scots are outvoted 10 to 1, and have no political power whatsoever, and “representation” that is irrelevant.
“If people want Scottish independence to be based around blood and soil ethnic nationalism then I’d vote to stay in the union. I want no part of that, neither I think would a number of other people regardless of where they were born.”
John C.
Like I said other nations do not give a vote to non nationals on constitutional matter is that blood and soil nationalism in your eyes or is it just in Scotland that its blood and soil nationalism?
Of course you could say that Brexit was a blood an soil nationalist movement derived in England and forced upon Scots/Welsh/NI.
On Brexit which was, and still is an utter disaster, ex-Welsh FM Carwyn Jones said that Brexit cut clean across Scottish sovereignty and it did, he (Carwyn Jones) like many Scots who want to ditch this rancid union were surprised and dismayed that Sturgeon chose to do nothing about Brexit, rather she chose to save the fetid union instead of saving Scots from it the treacherous b*stard.
On the 2014 indyref in my opinion enfranchising everyone and their dog was the only real mistake Alex Salmond made, Scots voted yes, and if the vote was restricted to Scots we’d have kicked this bucket of shit union into touch and ploughed our own path.
Still I rather like Ash Regan’s Voter Empowerment Mechanism where every election is a not only an election on government but an election on independence, in which we only need to win once and its adios to Westminster whilst flipping the bird.
Remember watch what Swinney and his party does not what they say.
“John Swinney has claimed independence can be delivered within five years as the arguments are “compelling”.
The First Minister said ending the Union was the “answer” to the cost-of-living crisis and Brexit which he said were the result of decisions taken in Westminster.
The new SNP leader is facing claims of going soft on his party’s key aim after he scrapped the post of independence minister in his reshuffle
But he offered hope to independence supporters on the timescale of a new Scottish state.
When asked whether independence could happen in five years, Swinney told Sky News: “I think independence can be delivered in that timescale because the arguments for it are compelling.”
Hey! Mr Law man!
When is the people being hearing the sound of the gavel.
Mr Law man.
People hearin the sound of the gavel.
Mr Law man.
Where is the swift sword of justice.
Mr Law man.
When your scales be a balanced.
Mr Law Man.
When will the folks getta justice.
Mr Law man?
Why was this in private, we pay their wages and have a right to know what was said. Lets see if the Parliaments standard Committee takes any action, Matheson has been caught lying and should resign from being an MSP altogether.
“A Holyrood watchdog quizzed shamed iPad expenses MSP Michael Matheson at a secret hearing.
The Parliament’s Standards Committee heard from Matheson over the £11,000 data roaming bill, but the public were blocked from watching.”
iPad man, “He initially claimed he did know know what was to blame but later admitted his children had used the parliamentary device to watch football.
He was also accused of lying to journalists about the matter.”
“A parliamentary probe found he had made “improper” use of the Parliament’s publicly-funded expenses system and the matter was referred to the Committee.”
“Members on the committee could recommend a stiff sanction such as suspension if any breach of the MSP code of conduct if judged to be serious.”
Swinney and the SNP Clique (Old Guard) chomping at the bit to introduce the GRRB back into the Holyrood chamber even though the public like the Hate Crime Laws don’t want it.
Like I said watch what Swinney and Clique do not what they say, next up juryless trials forget cheap energy or good housing and education or the NHS.
“THE Scottish Government has issued a statement on the Gender Recognition Reform Bill following an interview with John Swinney on Sky News on Friday morning.
The bill, which makes it easier for trans people to get a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) was passed in Holyrood in 2022 but was later blocked from becoming law by a section 35 order from the UK Government.
When asked by Sky News presenter Wilfred Frost whether the Scottish Government was going to “abandon” the policy, the First Minister (below) said: “We quite simply can’t proceed with it. It’s legislation that can’t be implemented, so we cannot take that forward.””
However, the Scottish Government has since issued a statement after Swinney’s response was interpreted as confirmation that the legislation would be abandoned.”
“Following the interview, a Scottish Government spokesperson said: “The GRR Bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament. If the UK Government lifted its legal block – the section 35 order – it would become law.“The problem is that the current UK government has said they will not.
“The Scottish Government’s position is simple – UK Government should lift their section 35 order.
“They have made it clear however that they will not, and until they do, it is simply not legal to implement the legislation.””
Re the franchise klaxon..
Scotlands treaty is for sovereign Scots to decide.
None of us can just rock up to their country & expect or demand a vote on their constitutional affairs.
They’re perfectly entitled to vote in council & general elections but not on constitutional matters.
Imagine our fate decided by Heinz 57 varieties. It’d be lost before the ballot was even declared open & how stupid to let other people decide if we can end an internationally recognised treaty of Union with England or not.
It’d be as stupid as offering everyone in the UK a vote on a “Scottish” independence referendum too cause they’d want a vote too if everyone else can have one.
Where do these people spring from? LOL
Don’t feel bad. If/when the shoe is on the other foot, don’t expect a voting card.
@John C; Your blood and soil ethnic nationalism rant is inappropriate because in Scotland the true owners of Scotland’s sovereignty are the very ethnic Scots whose sovereignty you want to sideline by allowing others to make decisions they may not be entitled to make on the matter of independence.
Under Scotland’s constitution, Scotland’s people are sovereign, and as such they are the true owners of their country. Major constitutional matters such as independence should be decided by a country’s owners and not its guests, unless those owners themselves agree to permit it. So before you go around handing out the keys of Scotland’s future to non-Scots, you should first be asking Scotland’s actual owners what they think of that idea.
It is for precisely that reason the UN’s decolonisation recommendations are that the autochthonous population be prioritised in any franchise for a nation’s vote on independence from a coloniser country.
Scotland is in that situation.
In that case, ethnic nationalism is just a proxy for identifying who Scotland’s sovereign owners actually are, so that they get to vote, while those who are not Scotland’s sovereign owners don’t get to muddy the outcome.
Bottom line: guests in a country are not entitled by default to take part in determining a country’s future; that’s a right they must earn, and it must be the natives who decide how guests might earn that right, not the guests.
The EU is over.
Von Der liar was sent in to crash it’s economy to make America great again & she’s doing a fantastic job. The whole world knows this apart from the SNP it seems LOL
The SNP have been too busy fannying around with the yoof wing to notice the meter ran out on their light.
Swinney & 5 yrs eh? How convenient to be the same time as an election term. If the arguments are compelling for indy then why isn’t he telling everyone else what they are? There is zero point to those losers otherwise.
Xaracen @ 5:07pm
Well said, Xaracen. Excellent comment.
@ Geri
Aye, Scots jist need to try harder to convince folk is bullshit when the goalposts can be so easily moved by those that hold real power and influence.
For examples of that power and influence being applied see how Corbyn was dealt with.
And see how well these endured when the real power was exerted to see them off.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
link to wingsoverscotland.com
FFS even some of our “politicians” don’t even know how the voting systems work.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
But I should be able to just rock up to the local electoral office in France with my B pass French O Grade, kenning next to heehaw about le politics de Francaise, but having once built a really competitive regulation compliant Peugeot 205 challenge rally car engine for a pal, drank plenty appellation controllée red wine during the couple of summers I spent as a watersports instructor sur leur lacs et mer, and state je m’appelle Dan ya bass, donner moi une vote on votre future s’il vous plait.
Swiney still flogging the GRRB deid horse. Continuity Sturgeonism alive and well.
It’s amazing that so many Scots??? who profess to be independence supporters are quite willing to be held captive for another 300+ years by people who have no cultural attachment to being Scottish yet they insist their progressive and inclusive attitude will win independence support
BREAKING NEWS, Alex Salmond gave the new people all sorts of progressiveness and inclusion AND the VOTE and they still told him AND us to Fuck Off
What the progressives fail to realise is that the majority of people voting from the ROuk are quite happy to remain in the UK, they have attachments to the UK which supercede loyalty to their new home Scotland,as long as they can get cheaper bigger, better housing,pension stability in the UK, free and better NHS care, free dental care,free bus passes,fuck independence, they have the best of both worlds, they DON’T NEED independence to thrive WE DO,how many English, Welsh, NI,or other nation new people give a shit about being Scottish, they ALL have their own nationality but by coming here they PROVE it’s NOT about nationhood it’s about personal gain,people thinking that blood and soil nationalism is an insult or something to be ashamed of GO and ask some Pakistani, Indian , Thai or many other nationalities what they feel about their nationality
I am sick of politicians and others giving our nationhood away like some cheap suit
Xaracen;
the true owners of Scotland’s sovereignty are the very ethnic Scots…”
Who decides what an “ethnic Scot” is? You? Are you going to have every Scot submit to a DNA test?
Is Alba’s Ash Regan, with her Irish name and heritage, an “ethnic Scot” under your definition? Is Sarwar? Is Yousaf? Is English-born Alex Cole-Hamilton? Seems to me you’ve just disqualified most of the party leaders in Holyrood.
That sounds very much like the National Socialists deciding who was, or wasn’t, German, and that you had to be “Aryan” to be an “ethnic German.”
“… je m’appelle Dan ya bass, donner moi une vote …”
My pal in Finland has a vote there, but he is now a Finnish citizen – it was easier in the long run to do that rather than deal with all the post-Brexit shenanigans, even bearing in mind that there’s a language test.
I don’t know if that includes votes in referendumses.
Any response from Dovydas?
Harvie was a disgrace as well in the Scottish Parliament. He’s another fascist who thinks he’s “on the right side of history.”
Whoever came up with that phrase is a bell end. I heard it years ago in 2014. And it was a horrible thing to say back them as it is now.
Also I don’t think John Swinney will sack Matheson. He’s got a scandal brewing. Matheson is the embezzler of public money. He’s the Moroccan fondler and worst dad of the year!
Honey, I shopped the kids!
I think only Scots should vote on the countries future. People who are born here and live here. Or people who were schooled in Scotland and remained here.
Not retirees from Surrey or students from Oxford. What the hell do they know about being Scottish. Being Scottish is not just a geographical convenience. It’s about our culture, bonds and identity. It’s not voting for a government. It’s voting for our country’s right to exist. Why would incomers think they are entitled to block what natives want. That’s colonialism in a nutshell.
Big jock:
Your denial of voting would mean that Bath England resident Stu Campbell would be ineligible—the one person who’s done more to promote Independence than anyone not named Salmond.
Try again!
He wouldn’t get the vote because he doesn’t live in Scotland. Same as 2014. What’s your point caller?
But if he moved home he would get the vote as a native resident Scot. Hardly controversial is it.
“Who decides what an “ethnic Scot” is?”
Let me think…is it the French? The Spanish? The Americans? The Swiss? The Chinese? The Norwegians? The Columbians? The Inuit people? The Abacaxis (no wait they’re now extinct due to colonisation)? The Beothuk (no wait they’re now extinct due to colonisation)? The Lucayan People (no wait they’re now extinct due to colonisation)? Or should it be the English, they like deciding things for other peoples.
Wait, I have it. Could it be the ethnic indigenous Scots themselves?
Now why didn’t I think of them first?
Who decides what an ethnic Scot is?
Geography i.e being born in Scotland.
This is not exactly taxing my brain.
David Hannah 10 May 2024 1:37pm
As I have said on here before THE VICTORS WRITE THE HISTORY and the gullible masses take all of that in in their brainwashing and indoctrination in school etc and from the corrupt controlled mainstream media etc.
150,000 Jews all the way up to the rank of General fought for the SS, as did 89,000 Muslims, 44,000 Cossacks, 25,000 from India and thousands from many other countries as well.
These people all fought for FREEDOM especially FREEDOM from this SCAM massive Debt and Interest Banking System that has ENSLAVED just about everyone on this planet while the Allied people were LIED to as usual into going to war to take out the Debt and Interest and Inflation FREE Germany, Japan (and Italy until they rejoined the Allies and ended up in massive debt like the rest of the Allies apart from the USSR that was allowed FREE Credit because the USSR was owned and controlled by the same Mafias that still own and control most of this planet today INCLUDING China hence why they sent most of the Wests jobs there.
I laugh at the people who are clueless about what was really going on back then especially those who are supposed to want Independence and are clueless about the Corrupt controlled Banking/Financial System that Frank Baum was warning about in his book The Wizard Of Oz – that book is also warning about the Corrupt Controlled Legal System as well via the Birth Certificate “Strawman” etc and especially the dumb “unionists too stupid too realise that the Crown etc that they are so loyal to is behind this SCAM System and is being run by Mafias that have enslaved them and their families from the day they were born – the same Mafias that have DELIBERATELY brought in all of these Great Depressions/Cost of Living Crisis’s etc that Hitlers Germany, Japan and Mussolini’s Italy escaped from until the Allied people were suckered into bringing down because these Mafias did not want the people in all of the other countries waking up and questioning why their corrupt puppet governments/political parties were not doing the same re printing their own Debt and Interest and Inflation FREE money.
If you want REAL Independence then you are going to have to think Independently and get rid of your Brainwashing and Indoctrination and educate yourself to REAL history and what is really going on.
The indigenous Aborigines of Australia asked for a permanent representation in the Australian parliament to discuss and ensure Aboriginal matters received proper focus and attention, it was known as the ABORIGINAL and TORRES STRAIT ISLANDER VOICE which they had been asking the parliament for years
The parliament agreed to a referendum of the people ALL the people on 14th October 2023,the result was that the NEW Australians overwhelmingly voted AGAINST the proposal
NO 9,452,792
YES 6,286,894
So unbelievably the NEW Australians told the ORIGINAL AUSTRALIANS to FUCK OFF, does that ring any bells with our progressive inclusive ALL are welcome here, or do we have to wait until they erect the reservations or encampments
Big Jock says:
11 May, 2024 at 12:29 am
Who decides what an ethnic Scot is?
Geography i.e being born in Scotland.
This is not exactly taxing my brain.
Your answer is so laughably stupid, perhaps you ought to have taxed your brain.
Ethnicity is not determined by geography. The two are different.
Maybe if I repeat that, it might sink in….
Ethnicity is not determined by geography.
By your standard, the LibDem leader Alex Cole-Hamilton is not an “ethnic Scot” and would not be eligible to vote. Nor is former SNP leader Michael Russell. In fact, the two founders of the SNP (Cunningham Graham and the Duke of Montrose) were both English-born and thus, according to you, not Scottish. The SNP’s first president was born in India.
I could go on ….
Try again.
There is a perfectly good case to be made *FOR* the introduction of some form of restrictions on who has eligibility to vote in another indy referendum. In 2014, for example, there were thousands of folk given a vote who no longer live in Scotland and who, at that time, never had any intentions of living in Scotland long-term. Thousands of folk who got to dictate what we in Scotland would be subjected to long after they had f@cked off. That should never be allowed to happen again.
Also in 2014 hundreds of thousands, if not millions, got to help the ‘No’ side promote a ‘No’ vote from other parts of the “UK” and abroad. Some of them were even bussed up to Scotland to walk our streets and gatherings promoting their “Don’t go, we love you” shite etc. The conditions attached to the 2014 vote were a nice fairyland idea but in reality was the basis for our defeat, along with a massive media campaign against ‘Yes’. A UK media campaign responsible for echoing every sinew of “Project Fear” 24/7 right into our homes.
Only with hindsight can we now see just how badly the deck was stacked against us. Still, with all of that said, we managed to achieve a remarkable final effort from a 27% starting point. The reason the BritNats absolutely fear another indyref is they know they will lose it. All their lies and manipulations have now been well-and-truly exposed. And their response? Cover everything in The Butchers Apron. LOL!
Campbell Clansman @ 9:35 pm
“Who decides what an “ethnic Scot” is?”
Ethnicity is an important feature in terms of the struggle for liberation of an oppressed ‘people’.
As Northcode implies, ethnic Scots ken wha they are. However, in a colonial society the more assimilated native has a intentionally confused identity, and hence a strong desire or ‘craving’ to be like the colonizer, resulting in a ‘false persona’ (Purves), or ‘cultural illusion’ (Gaughan).
In the colonial situation, perhaps the main point, as Albert Memmi wrote, is that:
“Being oppressed as a group, the colonized must necessarily adopt a national and ethnic form of liberation from which he (i.e. the colonizer) cannot but be excluded”.
In other words, the liberation (i.e. independence) of a colonized ‘people’ is a matter only for the oppressed ethnic group; the colonizer (and assimilated elites, albeit to a lesser degree) is ‘a more privileged being, an usurper’, and hence has more interest in maintaining the status quo and an oppressive exploitative system.
And, as Professor Michael Hechter noted in the context of the ‘UK Internal Colonialism Model’, the development of independence movements throughout the Celtic Periphery “reflects the ethnic solidarity of the oppressed groups”.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
I wouldn’t give Alex Cole Hamilton the shite off my shoe, never mind a vote on my country’s future. He was born and educated in England, and has no Scottish connection other than moving here. Some people shouldn’t get a vote end of. Mike Russell has Scottish family and was educated in Scotland, he is not the same as diddies like Cole Hamilton.
Which brings me to another point. Our sporting teams are now littered with plastic jocks. Parents yes, but grandparents and the like no. Too many failed English players in our football team , which deprives actual Scots getting picked for their country.
Will just tack this link re NuScots on end of thread.
link to grousebeater.wordpress.com
What happened to the “Hate” badges that were meant to be sent out?
“What happened to the “Hate” badges that were meant to be sent out?”
They’re coming. These things take a while.
Edinburgh and it’s cultural appropriation and even the very accent. Is an example to the rest of Scotland, of what happens when it’s native population is pushed out.
They used to call it the Athens of the North. Culturally it is the Cambridge of the north. It didn’t help that the natives bought into the anglicisation of the culture and spoken word. Accent is important. Because it defines thd history of a land. That’s why you cross the border and you know right away, you are in another country. You just have to speak with the locals.
In Edinburgh they look down on Glasgow because they speak with their native tongue. They are in fact cultural snobs. That’s not to say there aren’t pockets of Edinburgh where you still hear Ken and Aye. But the middle classes have an Anglo accent.
I love Rugby but you never sea a stadium covered in Saltires. Yet Hampden is a sea of white and blue. Why is that? It can only be that they view their country differently and are unionist in the main.
At moment there is a mass exodus of middle class Angles coming to Scotland. Ironically they will homogenise Scotland into the very thing they left England for. That’s just what the English do, they have done it everywhere in the world. We are their last colony, their last hope and their easiest exit from a toxic culture in England.
We might be the last generation of Scots. In 50 years without independence the migration will explode. And native Scots pushed out, much like the city of Edinburgh.
Mr Kuliešas is a long way behind the curve in regards to the restrictions on the rights of young people.
Because the situation is far worse than he realises than being unable to choose their own puberty and has been for some time.
Even a cursory glance at the present number of legal restrictions placed on the rights of young people reveals the extent of what Mr Kuliešas sees as problematic.
For instance, young people are legally prohibited from purchasing alcohol and tobacco products; solvents and sharp objects. They cannot legally marry or enlist in the armed forces or even be employed in full time work to earn an independent living. They are even legally required to spend five days a week for some seventy five per cent of the year in what presumably those like Mr Kuliešas would regard as ‘forced education camps’.
Even worse, their rights to self identify are severely restricted to, at best, gender. They cannot, for example, self identify what age they want to be in order to access the State Pension and associated benefits such as free travel on what passes for ‘public’ transport.
They are unable to self-identify as another species – restricting their ‘freedom of choice’ to human medical services. Even their ‘freedom’ to obtain educational qualifications without effort by self-identifying as a genius is denied them.
Mr Kuliešas is seriously confused if he thinks he is representative of the political or progressive left. His ravings reveal that he and his like are nothing more than ultra libertarians who, like Margaret Thatcher and Ayan Rand, do not accept the concept of society. Only the sovereign individual.
Scotland, along with the rest of the Collective West, is a State run exclusively along the lines laid out in the novel ‘Lord of the flies’.
Big Jock @ 9:27 am
“We might be the last generation of Scots. In 50 years without independence the migration will explode. And native Scots pushed out, much like the city of Edinburgh.”
Demographics are a key factor in any colonial situation and used by imperial powers as a method of divide and rule. Scotland has been subject to numerous imperial population management policies since the violated Union treaty began, starting with clearances, evictions and transportations, followed by Empire Resettlement programs and other incentives amidst enforced economic decline and mass unemployment resulting in removal of between 3-4 million Scots; this was combined with in-migration of a meritocracy from rest-UK, mostly from England. Historic early census data tells us there were already some 30,000 people from England living in Edinburgh during the late Victorian period, and mostly oriented towards professional and managerial jobs.
Based on available and historic census data we don’t have 50 years, or perhaps even half that; this is because independence obviously becomes more difficult when an indigenous people who comprise the bulk of the anti-colonial movement falls close to or below 50% of the population (as in New Caledonia). Scotland appears to be very rapidly headed in that direction, if not there already:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Looking from the outside in (as is my wont), it all seems very simple to me: the 2014 Indy Franchise – which was straightforward and fully inclusive – came within 5 points of victory. FIVE POINTS.
It seems to me, then, that it wasn’t the voter qualifications that was the issue, it was the nature of the offer itself? Although clearly effective – 45% was impressive and much higher than was assumed by the Unionist Press at least – it still wasn’t quite enough.
Why look for complexity where there is none? If the Indy offer had been a little bit more attractive and convincing than it was, maybe another 1 in 20 Scots voters would put an X in the Yes box. No need to change the voter franchise (thereby – quite rightly IMO – incurring the disdain of important, interested third parties e.g. the international community), just make the offer better and more credible.
How do you do that? You guessed it folks, put together a detailed, credible route map and prospectus for Indy that adequately answers all the big questions that stakeholders rightly have (ergo, something along the same lines as, but much better than, the 2013 SNP White Paper, preferably co-authored by recognised, non lefty nutter economists etc.).
The gerrymandering alternatives being discussed here leave a nasty aftertaste in the mouth. Scotland is better than this, you’re better than this.
The chairperson of the Alba Party was born in England.
Under the fantasy formula of Big Jock and other mini-minded fanatics here, she would not be allowed to vote for (or against) Scottish independence!
Captain Caveman @ 11:10 am
“the 2014 Indy Franchise – which was straightforward and fully inclusive”
The UK-Scottish Government used what is a highly irregular ‘local government’ franchise which is never used anywhere else for a national referendum, more especially on a major constitutional matter; permitting non-nationals such a vote in a national referendum is not reciprocal in any other country.
The SNP Scottish Government were/are either extremely naive or complicit. I recall Sturgeon telling a US audience afterwards that adopting a standard national referendum franchise would be ‘too complicated’!
Captain Caveman @ 11:10 am
“If the Indy offer had been a little bit more attractive and convincing than it was, maybe another 1 in 20 Scots voters would put an X in the Yes box. ”
On the other hand, had Scotland used a ‘secondary criteria’ UN-agreed franchise similar to New Caledonia, the Yes vote would have exceeded 60% and Scotland would now be independent.
So the real question is, why did the SNP Scottish Government not use a similar UN sanctioned franchise as New Caledonia, rather than the irregular local government franchise Westminster stuck in the Scotland Act?
“So the real question is, why did the SNP Scottish Government not use a similar UN sanctioned franchise as New Caledonia, rather than the irregular local government franchise Westminster stuck in the Scotland Act?”
Only three reasons I can think of, Alf. Naivety. Stupidity. Or complicity.
Or maybe it was all three.
It’s vital (for both sides, but most especially for the Agents of Change – the Indy side) to be seen to be completely above board, to maximise legitimacy either way. IMO, nowt else will do, to my ever-simplistic, straightforward thinking.
One man, one vote. What could be simpler? If you’re a UK national, whose primary residence is Scotland, surely that’s one vote.
Again IMO, anything else looks like you’re gaming the system. Plus, personally, I find the notion of “indigenous” people being more equal than others – however it’s dressed up – highly regressive.
@ all the blood and soil types soiling this place again (is it a full moon, or somehow related to the aurora I wonder…? Sheesh…!):
The case for franchise restriction and ethnic sorting is neither clear, nor undisputed. It still falls at the first hurdle proposed by Rev Stu many months ago in his twitter fisking of the whole concept.
It’s regressive, would you cost you more votes than it gained, and it ABSOLUTELY contrary to custom and practice in virtually all other self determinations referendums since 1945. It would fatally weaken support for independence from the international community.
Rev Stu’s original July 2021 fisking is reproduced for the hard of thinking bigots below:
If you want to deny 20% of the people who live in Scotland the vote in a referendum because they were born somewhere else, we’re not on the same side. If you want their votes, fucking well persuade them. If you can’t, your case is shit.
And stop whining that by saying this I’m trying to “shut down debate”. I have no power and no desire to stop you debating it. You can debate it all you want. I’m not reporting you to Twitter or the police. I’m just not interested.
We debated this in 2011 and we came to the right decision. Nothing has happened that justifies abandoning that principle in my view. You can’t just disenfranchise people because you think they’ll vote the wrong way.
’As well as being morally wrong, it’s almost certainly self-defeating. The Scotland you’d be trying to sell people under that franchise is a very different place to the one we were advocating in 2014, and very much for the worse.
That, of course, is true in many ways. If we got a referendum tomorrow I don’t in all honesty know if I could bring myself to campaign in it, because it’d be a *de facto* campaign for Nicola Sturgeon’s vision of a hellish, intolerant, incompetent and corrupt Scotland.
But that’s not a decision I need to lose sleep over, because we’re not getting a referendum tomorrow, or next year, or the year after that, or the year after that.
But I’ve officially lost any urge to even think about it, if even the people opposed to that awful vision just have a different kind of awful vision, of a country where only “ethnic Scots” have a say. Bollocks to that.”
Caveman: One man, one vote. What could be simpler? If you’re a UK national, whose primary residence is Scotland, surely that’s one vote.
Again IMO, anything else looks like you’re gaming the system. Plus, personally, I find the notion of “indigenous” people being more equal than others – however it’s dressed up – highly regressive.
Absolutely correct. Fanatics like Baird and his echo chamber Northcode are really angling for the following on voting:
1) Only “True Scots” are allowed to vote.
2) A “True Scot” would support Independence.
3) Therefore, anyone opposing Independence isn’t a “True Scot” and shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
That way they can obtain a 100% “yes” vote!
@Alf Baird 1.29pm
The reason Scotland didn’t (and indeed couldn’t) use the same criteria as New Caledonia, is that Scotland is not a non self governing territory recognised by the UN as such.
This really isn’t rocket science. Even if blood and soil nativists had somehow managed to persuade the progressive, big-tent, civic nationalist movement in Scotland prior to 2014 that it SHOULD restrict the franchise, there is not way of knowing how many of those who voted Yes in 2014 would have refused to do so for a referendum franchise based on bigotry.
The way to win is to make a better case, increase turnout, and ensure that more than 52% of native born Scots grow a pair.
I disagree. There is one country with 10 times the population of Scotland over the border. They have a vested interest in controlling Scotland. Their citizens are actively preventing independence by voting in our referendum.
Soon there will be 12/13% of them voting no by some 80%. So essentially even if 60% of Scots vote yes. They can overturn the majority.
In what way is this fair?
Andy good luck getting independence on that franchise. Have you seen the demographics.
It’s all very well throwing terms around like blood and soil. But you will be forever British if its the 2014 franchise.
You will never convince the majority of English people that Scotland is not part of their own country. Its a mental state.
Quhy is hit dae ye think, Alf, thaim wha appere solit cannae seim tae gresp the conceate o’ colonialism an hou it wirks?
“Andy good luck getting independence on that franchise. Have you seen the demographics.
It’s all very well throwing terms around like blood and soil. But you will be forever British if its the 2014 franchise.”
Now see, I do find the likely sentiment behind posts like this as quite revealing. Is it really the case that the Indy side could never present a laudable, credible, well costed and well thought out case for independence to the Scottish electorate at large (i.e. not just “indigenous” Scots alone), that they’d likely vote for? When you think about it, it really is incredible.
Are you, in effect, saying that so such case exists, even if serious, professional effort and graft is put into making said case by talented people with the right skillset (as opposed to poor, outmoded source material, half-arsed propaganda, half-truths and soundbites)?
Even I, as an English Unionist, would have much greater faith (and indeed fear) that such a case COULD well be made within reason, which could stand on its own two feet and would not have to rely on what I regard as regressive tactics appealing to the worst political sentiment/excluding anyone from the vote on the basis of ethnicity (good grief…).
Thank goodness no-one seems to agree, and it’s all talk of 300 year old guff, “colonialism” etc. Long may it continue.
“The way to win is to make a better case”
Indeed, glad we agree this isn’t a “Yoon trick” but is, in fact, an absolute prerequisite, Andy.
AND the franchise fanny returns to gobble up his never ending VOMIT and as usual sucking up rev Stu’s arse in the process
It shows the amount of exceptionalism and self delusion of some people, mostly it appears the engerlish when they come on to a independence seeking website to deride and denigrate everything about Scotland and its people , it’s amazing how they survive with such amounts of hubris that they think they can tell Scots how to run their country whilst all the time ignoring the fucking corrupt cesspit of WM that the ENGLISH continuously vote for, one would think they would be better concentrating on getting their fellow ENGLISH MEN educated on why they are reviled by their former colonies and most of the world
Big Jock says:
11 May, 2024 at 2:20 pm
I disagree. There is one country with 10 times the population of Scotland over the border. They have a vested interest in controlling Scotland. Their citizens are actively preventing independence by voting in our referendum.
Soon there will be 12/13% of them voting no by some 80%. So essentially even if 60% of Scots vote yes. They can overturn the majority.
Leaving aside your loathsome notions of “Our” referendum (shades of 1933!), your assertions about “overturning” are laughably wrong. Even under your scenario, the yes side would still win, with 54.8% of the vote. The laughable math is in keeping with the laughable point of view.
I suggest you take a course in remedial math.
It doesn’t matter what case is made. You are asking Scots to start 10% behind with the English block vote.
The English didn’t vote no based on the pitch. They voted no because they are British. Being a nation is actually about culture and identity, not economics. Without those things there would never even have been the SNP or a referendum.
I repeat you will never convince the majority of English people to break up what they perceive as One Nation.
You are childlike in your naivity. And you are ignoring the elephant in the room.
I don’t care how we get independence, and I do not want it to get richer.
A recent example is Ireland. They didn’t vote based on a pitch, they voted because they were a nation and Irish. Its only complicated when you make it so.
Andy Ellis said;
“The way to win is to make a better case, increase turnout, and ensure that more than 52% of native born Scots grow a pair.”
Thank you, Andy, for the concession that the native born Scots actually did vote for independence in 2014. Those native born Scots are the sovereigns that own Scotland under their own Treaty-guaranteed constitution, and independence should have been followed through at that point because their decision was the only constitutionally valid one, having been made by a majority of Scotland’s actual sovereigns. That the non-sovereigns voted against independence is irrelevant despite their greater majority because their decision could have no constitutional standing in Scotland to deny a formal decision made by its actual sovereigns.
Big Eck doesn’t make many mistakes, but that was one of the worst. He didn’t properly understand what ‘Scotland’s people own the sovereignty of Scotland’ really meant, and thus that the outcome of any plebiscite of a sovereign electorate must be deemed compelling in their own territory.
Constitutions and sovereignty are very important to any country, just ask Westminster, it knows all about those.
It’s arithmetic Campbell , and it’s Maths not Math!
My arithmetic wasn’t a calculation just a lower guesstimate based on current migration patterns. There may well be 15% more English at the next referendum.
But if you must play the man instead of the ball. Then your argument must be weak as piss.
Andy Ellis @ 2:19 pm
“The reason Scotland didn’t (and indeed couldn’t) use the same criteria as New Caledonia, is that Scotland is not a non self governing territory recognised by the UN as such.”
Scotland is a ‘non self-governing territory’, which is precisely why Scots want to reclaim our sovereignty and become self-governing again. A country does not have to be designated by the UN as such, this is simply our political reality, and as we know the UN has historically been misled on Scotland’s ‘equal’ status.
The reason Scotland used an irregular local government franchise for our national referendum is simply because the UK Government and its colonial administration decided to impose it. A more determined and savvy national independence organisation could have had UN inputs all along, if necessary, and could have adopted a proper national franchise.
No matter if Scots are/are not ‘Listed’ as a NSGT for decolonization, the UN has a major interest in this matter given that the Scots are actively seeking self-determination, and national independence would of course create a new UN member state. Hence UN inputs, support and advice should have been sought by the dominant national party and still could be, instead of Scotland depending on and being led by one-sided Westminster diktat.
I don’t remember an outrage when the English denied EU citizens a vote on Brexit. Yes a block who had a vested interest in keeping the UK in the EU.
I don’t remember the EU or UN stepping in to deny the legitimacy of the vote. Nor that Scotland voted remain , yet we are frightened of upsetting English sensibilities.
Big Jock @ 4:07 pm
“Being a nation is actually about culture and identity, not economics.”
Yes indeed, long-established postcolonial theory confirms that culture is THE central feature of any independence movement, and much as Frantz Fanon wrote that:
“the desire for nationhood is a cultural emotion”, and;
“the conscious and organized undertaking by a colonized people to re-establish the sovereignty of that nation constitutes the most complete and obvious cultural manifestation that exists”
As peoples in self-determination conflict are linguistically and hence culturally divided, this explains why the independence movement is composed mainly of Scots language speakers who identify as Scots, much more so than those who are against independence / decolonization, the latter to a larger extent culturally Anglophone and British-identifying.
Which is rather similar to the Quebec, Catalan, Irish and most other cultural divides in instances of self-determination conflict between distinct ‘peoples’ and ethnic groups, which is often obscured by the procedures of ‘cultural imperialism’ (control of media, education, language deprivation etc) and hence ‘assimilation’.
“Being a nation is actually about culture and identity, not economics.”
Not if you have a house (or two), a large accrued pension pot, a good job, kids in school and bills to pay it’s not. Or at least, not in my opinion.
In Francis Ford Coppola’s 1979 Vietnam war movie ‘Apocalypse Now’, based on the novel ‘Heart of Darkness’ by Joseph Conrad, there’s a scene which perfectly captures the insanity of Colonel Kurtz (played by Marlon Brando).
Kurtz has fallen into madness and has gone completely ‘off the reservation’ as Captain Willard (played by Martin Sheen) puts it.
Willard is the special forces assassin sent by his commanders to eliminate Kurtz whose atrocities in Cambodia are embarrassing the United States Government (I know, right).
Anyway, the scene goes like this:
My version ends like this:
If the question of Scotland ending the Union and returning to self-governance is for Scots. Then why does some self confessed English Unionist living in England feel the need to rock up on this site and spend so much of his time sticking his neb into business that has fuck all to do with him…
An excellent question, Dan. I wouldn’t hold my breath for an answer, though. Not one that makes sense anyway.
It’s not about you Caveman!
Narcicists can’t see past their own noses.
“It’s the economy, Stupid!”
Because this is a forum for discussion, and I’m interested in Scottish politics?
Didn’t realise you were the site moderator, Dan.
Oh aye, CC playing the concerned Englishman worried about the economy card.
But hud oan a moment, why would Scotland leaving the Union have a negative effect on the English economy. Us Scots are always being telt we are a drain because we are worthless workshy scroungers and have nothing of worth here. If that is indeed the case then losing the Scottish leech would surely allow England’s economy to flourish after it sheds the Scottish parasite.
Hmm… But what’s this.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
And is successful international currency investor Jim Rogers talking pish here?
link to youtube.com
Big Jock says: It doesn’t matter what case is made. You are asking Scots to start 10% behind with the English block vote.
You’re once again wrong with the numbers (as well as the concept behind the numbers). But, as you admit, to you accuracy “doesn’t matter.”
I suppose being consistently wrong on simple numbers has the virtue of consistency. But isn’t your purported cause being embarrassed by these obvious errors?
@Alf Baird 4.21pm
Scotland is a ‘non self-governing territory’, which is precisely why Scots want to reclaim our sovereignty and become self-governing again. A country does not have to be designated by the UN as such, this is simply our political reality, and as we know the UN has historically been misled on Scotland’s ‘equal’ status.
You asserting Scotland has that status doesn’t make it so, any more than Tories asserting – and making parliament say – that Rwanda is safe makes it safe. If you want international recognition, you have to play by the rules.
You won’t get the international community to accept a Scottish declaration of independence claiming colonial status unless the UN agrees with you. It just doesn’t: however hard you wish it were different, Scotland’s colonial status is like Tinkerbell: it’s not real mate!
The reason Scotland used an irregular local government franchise for our national referendum is simply because the UK Government and its colonial administration decided to impose it. A more determined and savvy national independence organisation could have had UN inputs all along, if necessary, and could have adopted a proper national franchise.
It’s NOT an irregular franchise though Alf, is it? As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, the franchise used in the Scottish referendum was similar to those used in the vast majority of other self determination referendums since 1945. Indeed, many were actually MORE liberal than ours.
The franchise used wasn’t imposed, it was negotiated with Westminster for the Edinburgh agreement. The movement as a whole accepted the franchise used everywhere else because it rejects your bigoted ethnic nationalism. It continues to do so. The UN has never shown any interest in taking up Scotland’s case, nor will it do so unless it’s patently obvious a majority of Scots are in favour.
Adopting a non-standard franchise that no other people has attempted to use will be death for any referendum. We’ll be like the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus without the sun, and without a major power backing us up. It’s a political dead end.
@Xaracen 4.13 pm
Thank you, Andy, for the concession that the native born Scots actually did vote for independence in 2014.
It’s not a concession. I know that the one Edinburgh University study which is constantly quoted (and for which I understand the figures and tables are not available) showed that 52% of native born Scots voted Yes.
As discussed before however the nativists can’t prove what the vote would have been if they’d had their way and introduced a non-standard franchise. Many Yes supporting people may have reacted badly and voted No, or not voted for all you know. It wouldn’t have taken that many to overturn that 2%.
You and other nativist don’t get to define Scots as only those born here. You can GRTF with that kind of bigoted nationalism. You don’t speak for the majority of Scots, whether born here or adopted.
Of course ignoring the English unionist block vote , might seem like the egalitarian thing to do. But it makes a mockery of calling it a Scottish vote. What we are essentially doing is making it a free for all.
If I moved to Wales and the Welsh people had a vote on independence. I would not expect a vote just because I pay taxes in Wales. Because it’s not my country, and I am not Welsh. Why would I think the Welsh bigots for only letting actual Welsh people vote?
This name calling and faux outrage from unionists is laughable. Why is it Scotlands job to persuade English people to vote for Scottish independence? Is this the price we pay for being so called Civic?
One thing is sure with this franchise. Scotland will never be independent. The migration patterns won’t allow it.
I couldn’t give two monkeys if people label me a bigot or whatever other blood and soil terms they throw around. I am realist.
And I still wait the answer about EU citizens being denied a vote on Brexit. Many who had lived 30 years in the UK. Who decided that franchise was fair?
How can you be Scottish if you were born in another country and didn’t grow up in Scotland? Sure I get the point that moving here when a child . All you have known is Scotland. That makes sense you feel a Scottish identity.
But older people moving to Scotland doesn’t make them Scottish. That’s just silly games. Andy Murray moved to England at 18 or 19. Is he English?
Terry Butcher lives in Stirling ,is he Scottish? You can’t just pick and choose your nationality like a football team. It’s who you are and your true identity.
If I move to England I am Scottish,or Canada or Ireland. I carry the baggage of identity forever.
You can’t just say you are Scottish because you decide. Well you can , but it’s patent nonsense and you are only kidding yourself. If I went to Ireland with my Scottish accent and said I was Irish. They would just laugh at me. Znd quite rightly.
@Big Jock
Andy good luck getting independence on that franchise. Have you seen the demographics.
The demographics still show that around 80% of the population are native born Scots. If we can’t fashion a pro-independence majority from that and the section of “New Scots” who support independence, then there’s no hope for us anyway.
In any case, as Rev Stu rightly said, another referendum is vanishingly unlikely anyway. Plebiscitary elections should be the movement’s aim now.
It’s all very well throwing terms around like blood and soil. But you will be forever British if its the 2014 franchise.
Not if we make a better case, convince more native Scots to grow a pair amd increase turnout. The turnout in both Quebec referendums was in the low 90’s %: ours was only 85%. Which part of that are you finding hard to grasp?
You will never convince the majority of English people that Scotland is not part of their own country. Its a mental state.
Having lived in England for half my life before returning home, I can assure you that most English people don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about Scotland.
They know little about it, and care even less. In fact a lot might be sad to see the end of the union, but if that’s what happened, most would shrug their shoulders and wish us well.
Of course, there are others who are convinced Scotland is a burden and will actively encourage the end of the union. The British nationalist establishment will drop Scotland in a nano second if and when they think it’s more trouble than it’s worth maintining the union.
That’d only happen in a future situation where Scottish nationalists were in a position of power like Irish nationalists were in the past and could stop little Englanders getting what they wanted, or where they made Westminster’s business so impossible they chucked us out. 🙂
Andy Ellis @ 7:45 pm
“It’s NOT an irregular franchise”
As you know, Northern Ireland will have a totally different franchise than Scotland for its referendum and primarily based on “all persons who were born in Northern Ireland”; as well as negotiating a rather more privileged position than Scotland in terms of EU trade (which contravenes ToU articles). Scotland is aye sold short by our elites.
link to assets.publishing.service.gov.uk
@Alf Baird 9.10pm
So what? Scotland =/= NI, which is in a very different situation due to the situation with Ireland.
Not surprisingly you ignore the many, many other examples of countries and peoples which have achieved independence with the same or even more open franchises.
Why, one might almost think you were deflecting Alf.
Except you ignore the uniqueness of Scotland. We are in a union with an elephant. Our small population is extremely sensitive to that other country’s massive exodus to our country. Unlike other new Scots. The English are very much against self determination. A majority will never accept Scotland as an independent nation.
Other nations who used an open franchise did not have the colonial country as neighbours. And nor did they have so many migrants from the country they wished to break away from.
Andy Ellis @ 9:50 pm
“one might almost think you were deflecting”
I doubt you would ever go on Irish blogs telling folks there that they are all “nativist” and “You can GRTF with that kind of bigoted nationalism” like you constantly do here with us Scots. What is it about us you dislike so much?
Incidentally the quebec referendum failed twice with an open franchise. 90% of new Quebecers voted no. The Canadian government made sure they got the vote,knowing they would vote no.
Then what happened. The national party fell to pieces. Unionism restored and polls now sitting at below 30% for independence. And that’s due mainly to ongoing migration and new Quebecers growing larger.
This is a warning to Scotland. We don’t have time. Time is the friend of the Union. Independence will eventually become impossible. It may already be too late.
This from Wikipedia:
Interesting, isn’t it? The origin of words.
The truth is that we are correct. Scotland will never be allowed to get independence while pandering to the UK establishment. Part of their remit is to make sure non Scots get a vote.
They know if the migrants from England don’t get a vote,then it’s game over. Those who use labels like natavism and blood and soul. Are actually using the unionists own rhetoric against themselves, and their fellow Scots. We are not your enemy.
But you are happy to dismiss us as cranks and bigots. For the crime of simply pointing out, what is as clear as the nose on your face.
I want independence first. We can be as civic as we want after independence.But if we never get it , we won’t ever change our society. You need independence to give new Scots real citizenship. At the moment no Scot has any real citizenship either.
Cut & paste Franchise Fanny back again keeping us Scotch proles right *sigh*….
I must tell all those French voters that they are ‘blood and soil nationalists’ at the next French elections.
What a w*nker. Scroll on past the trolls,folks.
Scotland – uniquely – can’t have it’s own currency and must let every chas, Main and Andy from wherever they’ve popped up from last week have a vote on Scotland’s future…according to chas, Main and Andy.
They Yoon trolls keep being corrected but just keep on cut’n’pasting to fool the unwary. Best ignored.
“Narcicists can’t see past their own noses.”
Ah I see, so making perhaps a dozen (at most) polite, on topic posts here makes me a “narcissist” according to you and “Dan”, despite the pair of you spamming your shite here monotonously by the cudgel every bloody day. Lol.
Fair enough. You call me names, I get to do likewise: in my estimation you’re a pair of low-wattage, semi-literate, obsessive, embittered thickoes, get a life.
Guess we’re even.
@Andy Ellis 11 May, 2024 at 8:09 pm;
Stuff your bigoted nationalism accusations! Your allegation that a sovereignty-based franchise in Scotland would be based on bigotry is unwarranted, scurrilous, and vexatious.
Our sovereignty is formally stated in Scotland’s own constitution, and there is no evidence that it was ever intended to apply more widely than just to Scotland’s own people. Given its antiquity, that’s a highly unlikely interpretation.
A sovereignty-based franchise is a natural and legitimate outcome of the sovereignty of Scotland formally belonging to its people, a constitutional tradition that can be traced back many centuries, and ‘people’ in this context essentially must mean native-born Scots.
That alone makes it clear that any formal plebiscite of the Scottish electorate can engage that sovereignty when it becomes relevant, and an independence referendum is unequivocally a major constitutional decision that clearly belongs to the sovereign owners of our country on both constitutional and democratic grounds.
But that doesn’t have to mean that non-sovereigns can’t ever participate, but it does mean that it MUST be up to the sovereign Scots themselves to decide whether non-sovereigns may acquire the privilege of participating in a Scottish constitutional plebiscite, and how that acquisition can happen.
In Scotland it’s not up to anyone else.
As for the Edinburgh study, it says what it says, and nothing else is currently available to contradict it. Your pretence that bigotry would have played a significant part if the ‘nativists’ had their way, and that such a franchise should therefore be disallowed because of it, is based on nothing more than dishonest and wishful speculation by worried unionists.
Scotland is the sovereign Scots’ country and no-one else’s, and they alone have the right to determine who else gets the privilege of taking part in any constitutional plebiscite regarding their own country. If you don’t like that, tough!
Xaracen @ 9:09 am
“In Scotland it’s not up to anyone else”
Unfortunately, as we see here, the ‘superior’ colonizer always thinks he knows best; the ‘colonial relationship is based on this cultural difference’ (Memmi) between colonizer and colonized. Which helps explain why colonialism is defined as ‘hateful racism’ (Cesaire).
Captain. I hate to do this,but I have an honours degree in psychology, an HNC in business studies, a diploma in marketing and various chartered insurance qualifications.
You can disagree with me, but that hardly qualifies me as a thicko. But then again, of you can’t play the ball play the man.
Should start calling you Lundstrum!
Alf. Interestingly not one of them has answered my question about the Brexit franchise. Which of course denied all resident EU nationals a vote on something so fundamental to their lives.
Was this blood and soil English nationalism?
As a matter of record, anybody can go anywhere and claim to be of their destination. Their “right” to claim to be of their destination will be vociferously defended by a sizeable chunk of the people who genuinely are of the destination under discussion.
The only wrinkle is that the people moving have to be of an ethnic minority. It doesn’t matter which one, any one will do.
That’s why we had Yousaf as FM for a year.
That’s why Scotland’s towns and cities would burn if we ever got an English FM, unless she too wasn’t white.
None of the endless discussions about the franchise any longer make sense in a country so irretrievably warped by decades of unlimited migration. Doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about Scotland, England, the UK, or Londonistan itself.
This is an end result brought about by the voters for progressivism, a cohort vastly over-represented on here. Your unthinking knee-jerk “be nice” support over decades destroyed the ethnic uniformity that is the only basis for an acceptable democracy. You lacked the guts to face down those who chanted “racism” at you, and opted for the quiet life, while hoping against all historical precedent that things would work out in the end.
It’s now time for you to own your creation.
Looking forwards, you can try to convince a majority of Scotland-resident voters of the merits of Indy, or you can try to force your done deal on an ever-increasing percentage of “non Scots” by denying them a say. All while taxing them to the hilt for the “privilege” of living here, doing necessary work here, and increasingly running the show.
Good luck with that.
Andy Ellis says on 11 May 2024 at 9:50 pm: “Not surprisingly you ignore the many, many other examples of countries and peoples which have achieved independence with the same or even more open franchises.”
Trying to do my own homework on all of this so i need to ask you if you can give me a list of those countries or direct me to a useful source/link/whatever?
I also want to try and research if any of those countries you speak of had almost half-a-million voters originally born in the country they were seeking independence from?
Thanks in advance for any help given.
And btw, folks, both Ellis and Rev have stated previously that there is a case for some form of criteria changes. What that entails is another story. I suppose the devil may be in the detail, eh! LOL!
@Big Jock 11.40am
Alf. Interestingly not one of them has answered my question about the Brexit franchise. Which of course denied all resident EU nationals a vote on something so fundamental to their lives.
Was this blood and soil English nationalism?
OK, I’ll give it a go. It was almost certainly English nationalism in action, yes. The thing is since they (as in the government of the UK) got to set the franchise, then that’s the franchise that was used. Excluding EU nationals from the brexit referendum is functionally indistinguishable from excluding non-Scots born folk from any indyref frnachise. Still, I’m glad we’re agreed it represents blood and soil nationalism in action! Progress of a sort I suppose.
The thing is, when Scotland is an independent country, it will have citizenship criteria of its own just like every other independent state. It will be able to exclude those without citizenship from voting in elections and constitutional votes just like every other independent country.
The problem for the sundry nativists, blood and soil nationalists and some out and out racist bigots who sadly pollute BTL discourse here, is that they aren’t bright enough to discern the difference between the franchise used for self determination referendums, and that used for elections and constitutional votes in already independent states.
It doesn’t matter how often this category error is pointed out to them, they return to it like a dog to its own vomit. When Scotland is independent, it will have citizens and can decide on its own franchise. Until that happens, the standard practice for self determination referendums is an open franchise, often more open than ours was in 2014. You can rage against the machine all you want, and insist that Scotland is special because *300 year old guff about treaties and sovereign Scots*, but the international community ain’t interested.
They’ll treat Scotland just the same as everyone else, many of who managed to have the balls to vote for their own independence with a lot less going for them than we have, and with considerably bigger numbers of non-natives who had been deliberately planted by former imperial masters like all of the Russians living in the Baltic States after 1945.
Indigenous (or autochthonous) is the correct term. Native, as Northcode points out, is an applied term, used to paint indigenous people in a poor light, with negative connotations of primitivism, and therefore implying that the “natives” are somehow subordinate (to the coloniser). When actually, the opposite is true.
As regards the franchise, an unrestricted or “civic” franchise obviously favours non-Scots (and those who want to keep Scotland subjugated). Similarly, the Democratic Party in the US is attempting to give illegal immigrants the vote in order to boost their voter base before the election since their policies are essentially un-American (or at least put the American people last). Unfortunately it is part of Agenda 2030 to destroy individual liberty and national sovereignty. Just as the Covid bioweapon and plandemic were designed to destroy bodily autonomy, so Western nations are being flooded with immigrants to weaken national identity (“confuse the nations”), thereby creating internal instability and reducing the threat of organised opposition. Both individual liberty and national sovereignty are impediments in the way of total global control of the population by the elites and their organisations.
@Stoker 2.09pm
A good resource is in the paper by Ivan Serrano and Jaume Loper of Girona University: “Who is Entitled to Vote”. It contains a number of tables at the end relating to the wording of the questions used, any threshold criteria and the franchises used.
A number of the countries in the analysis probably had a greater proportion of non-native voters than Scotland had in 2014, or is likely to have in future, particularly those in the Baltic States which had been forcibly settled by people from other Soviet republics after the widespread ethnic cleansing and political repression both pre and post 1945.
In previous threads I probably did a list, but can’t find it if I saved it somewhere.
And you’re right, both Rev Stu and I in earlier discussions said there might be a case for some form of change in criteria to stop flagrant abuses, or a limited proof of residence criteria which “the movement” as a whole had signed up to. T
he issue was that there was no real case for a blanket approach dis-enfranchising anyone not born here, or who hadn’t been here for an unusually long qualifying period, because that would have been both contrary to the civic nationalist project, and out of step with other analogous referendums, which risked alienating international support.
That hasn’t changed. What has changed is that we’re most unlikely to get a referendum anytime soon, so we might as well concentrate on plebiscitary elections. We don’t control the franchise for Westminster elections. We do for Holyrood elections.