The smirking scorpion
Let’s take a passing moment just to reflect on how grotesque this is.
When she was leader, Sturgeon forced MPs and MSPs like Michelle Thomson and Mark McDonald – neither of whom were even spoken to by police, let alone arrested or questioned or charged – out of the SNP lest even the mere suggestion of wrongdoing bring shame on the party.
She is still under police investigation on suspicion of EMBEZZLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS FROM THE SNP, and her husband and former party CEO has actually been charged with it. She is personally on record, on video, ordering the NEC not to question the state of party finances at the time of the alleged offences.
Yet not only has she had the lack of class not to resign the whip voluntarily, not only has she shown no interest in turning up and doing the job for the last two years, but she’s actually put herself forward to stand again, and doddering, spineless caretaker John Swinney hasn’t had the stones to put a stop to it.
Nobody thinks she’s even going to actually run next year – she spends most of her time gallivanting around celebrity events talking about her life after politics – so she’s just wasting everyone’s time and trolling.
Nobody in history has ever taken the SNP for a ride as cynically as this. But the party is so rotten and broken and weak that it just meekly goes along with it, and yet still dares to pretend it’s up to the rather tougher task of making Scotland independent.
We have no words for anyone still stupid enough to believe in it.
Give me strength!
How on earth can someone under investigations by the police for embezzlement be cleared as a prime candidate for office?
They have installed all sorts of creeps and weirdos in the past so perhaps we shouldn’t be so surprised but really, do they think the electorate so nothing wrong with this?
It’s Trump like. Rules, Laws, agreements tossed out the window as required.
Has Covid vaccines driven the worlds politicians into insanity?
And the world’s electorate. Lost all sense of right and wrong.
When doing nothing is seen as a qualification. The Levellers may have had a point…..
re. “When doing nothing is seen as a qualification. The Levellers may have had a point”
True…
Levellers: One Way:
“My father when I was younger
Took me up on to the hill
That looked down on the city smog
Above the factory spill
He said this is where I come
When I want to be free
Well he never was in his lifetime
But these words stuck with me…
I grew up, learned to love and laugh
Circled A’s on the underpass
But the noise we thought would never stop
Died a death as the punks grew up
And we choked on our dreams
We wrestled with our fears
Running through the heartless concrete streets
Chasing our ideas…
There’s only one way of life
And that’s your own…”:
link to tinyurl.com
The duplicitous Whingers disagree (what a surprise:)
Duplicitous:
“In duplicitous, you can see the word duplicity, which means “doubleness.” Someone who is duplicitous is almost like two people, saying one thing but then doing something very different, even contradictory. Someone who is duplicitous can also be called “two-faced,”:
link to vocabulary.com
Thanks for that Gregor lovely words
You’re welcome Twathater.
I wonder if she’ll be on the List as well. Be a nice wee earner to have the salary, expenses and pension top up. And, it’s not like she really has to wander in to Holyrood more than a few times a year just as she presently does.
Chilling thought isnt it; back in on the List..
Clanging chimes of doom.
The great tergiversator Sturgeon (pox be upon her) speaks… “Oh, you’ll have to wait and see”.
I’d prefer not to wait and to see her in jail. But this is Scotland under SNP rule where black is white and white is, well, whatever white wants to be on any given day.
She already knew the outcome before she stood down. Lets all pretend that justice is being dune! She only stood down because she knew what was coming and to stand down she didn’t need to front the MSM and as soon as the dust has settled she’d separate from Peter which she has, and now she’ll become leader of the SNP again. Her friends in the SNP are making sure she’s PROTECTED and her REIGN is INDEFINITE.
As soon as she been rel-elected as an MSP again in 2026 watch her come out of the closet.
Here’s hoping the electorate doesn’t elect her again, no offers from anywhere else then.
I said this before she will be leader of the SNP again it was all arranged before she stood down.
I’m waiting for Peters Murrells book, I’m going to tell all.
‘Out of the closet’? You mean beyond saying – as she has re her divorce – that their marriage had been a marriage in name only, for some time, or words to that effect?
(Rough translation: a marriage of convenience, for effect; never a true marriage.)
You mean her favourites fillmore will be at last owned up to: The French Lieutenant’s Woman, was it? Or near equivalent?
How would that play with the Scots public, and wider, I wonder?
Has changing the public mood re such unconventionality been what lay behind her vaunted championing of trans causes, (including friendship with the niw-disgraced but slways-disgraceful and ungracious impostor/usurper/fraudster Mridhul Wadwa, and others of that ilk and worse – if possible)..
To smooth the path for her own coming-out?
To be no longer a covert twisted gender malcontent, but one overt, loud and proud?
Meanwhile how many healthy mammary glands and genitals will have been sacrificed on the altar of her ego and self-serving policy decisions?
How many youngsters will have been deceived, groomed, seduced and corrupted, through the in-school porn and vile questionnaires pushed by her willing nonce-byproxy, Johnny Swine?
‘We’ll just have to wait and see.’
Colin Beattie has however stated a clear intention of standing in 2026. Beattie’s jaikit is on a substantially more shoogly peg than even Sturgeon. Leaving aside the Gartcosh Polis and the corrupt COPFS, Beattie will almost certainly be struck of as a Chartered Accountant, after signing off fraudulent accounts.
Isn’t he in his 70s? Time to retire.
The taps in his house are said to be gold plated ?
Brass neck aplenty.
It is like she is laughing on everybody’s face and thinking:
“And I will continue to take the piss just because I can”
Here is a couple of questions:
Are P. Murrell and Beattie still SNP members?
In the event of a case against any of them three going to the courts, who is going to foot the legal bill for it all, the SNP? If the answer is yes, that will cripple the party. Was that the objective all along?
Is that the reason why none of the three have resigned their membership from the party, so it is not them personally who have to foot the legal bill?
Does she as an MSP get some kind of immunity and is this the reason why the political fraud is wanting to keep an MSP post, even just to continue to make a mockery of it?
Whomever allowed this useless charlatan to remain in the party and now to even pass vetting despite the embarrassing mess she left behind, is no friend of Scotland. It is pretty obvious that what that whomever is looking for is to finish off the party by having to foot all those legal bills.
You can almost see the hand of the British establishment behind all this. The length of time Branchform is taking is completely unjustifiable and points right at the ridiculous level of politicisation and deep rooted bias and corruption of the COPFS. That the police have had to actually come up and say they have done their part months ago but it is the crown office, who is dragging its heels on this and refusing to prosecute, speaks volumes.
Looking at the length of time that branchform thing is taking, and now the vetting for this useless charlatan passing, it is obvious to even a child this delay has been calculated and planned for quite some time to deliver maximum damage to the party in the upcoming election.
I have to say that I am also rather suspicious of the turmoil the Alba party appears to be going through. I wouldn’t be surprised if the hand of the British state is also behind it.
By the stupid and unjustifiable delay of the colonial Crown Office moving forward with Branchform, it is evident the British state is seeking to finish off the SNP for 2026, so prop up again the already semi-decomposed “Scottish” labour corpse and then claim “a landslide win”.
The way they are pissing all over democracy to stop independence is not just utterly disgusting, it is actually pathetic.
What are the odds that those recent changes in the SNP regarding how to challenge a current leader have been devised so the British state can orchestrate and impose the re-installation of the political fraud as leader of the SNP with nobody being able to do anything to stop it or to remove her from the post?
I mean, what would be the difference with the last few years of rigged leadership election procedures, anyway? Who exactly elected Swinney as leader, a man who is guilty of suppressing information of high public interest on industrial scale and who had already demonstrated in the past he was a completely useless leader that almost killed the party? Whomever installed this failure as leader cannot be someone who wants the party to succeed.
And, well, let’s not look again into just how dodgy the election of Yousaf was or the abilities of the man for the post. Again, who put him there and why? Presumably the same hands who swiftly pushed him out when he even considered a proposal by Alba.
It is becoming obvious these manchurian, low-calibre candidates have been placed on the seat simply to keep it warm for the political fraud’s return.
And what could possibly be the reasons for the British estate to want the political fraud in control of the SNP?
Some suggestions:
The SNP is now a carcass. An shell brand. But a lot of people continues to vote for it in the hope these brigade of useless charlatans are going to progress independence.
The problem is that perception is all what matters. In the eyes of the world, a vote for the SNP is still a vote in support of independence. And that is, in my opinion, what the British estate controlling all these bad actors has been desperate to hide. No doubt there are some international trade deals or dodgy dealings with USA that rely on Scotland remaining firmly in the UK.
So far, they have abysmally failed to transfer the vote from the SNP to any of the other colonial parties. Let’s not forget that only 22% of the electorate in Scotland actually endorsed Labour. That percentage is likely to reduce even further, given the performance of the Labour clowns at Westminster, unless the SNP is brought down forcing voters to look elsewhere.
So what they can do to transfer that vote?
Clearly, making the SNP an overt devolutionist party is not working as fast as they would like. So the next step is to make the voters watch the SNP and the only party it can challenge it right now, which is ALBA, descend into chaos and disintegrate right in front of their eyes so sufficient people becomes convinced that independence is dead to “restore” the balance.
It is obvious to even a child what is going on here. This is political manipulation of public opinion on a cosmic scale. It is becoming clear that our only exit route from this is to openly refuse to continue participating in this rigged political game. I am becoming more and more convinced by the day that not voting will be the best option we have, because the moment we start to endorse ANY pro-independence party, along come the dark hand of the British state to attempt to ping some fabricated charges on the leader, to install some fraud as interim leader and to destabilise the party or even destroy from within.
I think we have seen enough of it for the last 10 years, haven’t we?
The real deep charges that have been installed in the SNP are yet to detonate, and I am of the opinion they will do so close to HR2026.
‘No doubt there are some international trade deals or dodgy dealings with USA that rely on Scotland remaining firmly in the UK.’
They do. Oil. They have to control the worlds oil to keep their wall street buddies & corporations in lucrative deals. They don’t need it, they’ve more than enough of their own, but they take it anyway to give it to rich buddies & to use it as a weapon on who can receive oil & who can’t. Just as they’re doing with R Gas at the moment. They also use it to manipulate the price – tho that is backfiring since OPEC countries aren’t willing to cut their own throats & economy just so ‘R can be sent a message’ & to help the green t-shirt. They’ve been told to GTF LOL
Freeport’s is also going to be a Yankie doodle feeding frenzy. That’s what colonisers do. They asset strip & they’ve already bought everything in England except what’s left of the NHS.
Also, USA heavily relies on the UK for security council vetoes & it’s wee security services as part of the *5 Eyes* intel gathering & covert terrorist activities keeping all of it’s colonial interests in check.
The Herald (2023): Salmond says Sturgeon suspended SNP members at ‘the drop of a hat’:
“…a perfectly defensible line, the presumption of innocence. You don’t suspend people until they are charged with something and that hasn’t happened as yet,” Mr Salmond told Sky News:
“…difficulty is of course it that wasn’t the position adopted by Nicola Sturgeon or Peter Murrell, the chief executive and her husband, when they were in power.
“They used to suspend people at the drop of a hat basically. So Humza’s difficulty is not the position he’s taken, which is a perfectly respectable, defensible, I actually think is the right decision. His problem is is that it’s been compared with a whole litany of other people who feel quite rightly they have been treated unfairly in comparison, in their cases some years ago.”:
link to archive.ph
“The hand of the British state”? Hardly. Isn’t the more obvious reason is that the Nationalist movement is led by donkeys, crooked donkeys at that?
No, what is actually pathetic Mia, are the Scottish people, sorry sheep standing by and allowing this to happen.
Yes the colony has been well and truly colonised.
The sheer Chutzpah of that woman knows NO bounds. My sincere sympathies to the long-suffering Scots people. You deserve (much) better.
It’s not just Sturgeon, she promoted the dregs of the party as either sycophants or idiots incapable of challenging her.
There’s more intellectual heft on a random passing Sunshine Bus.
“There’s more intellectual heft on a random passing Sunshine Bus”
Heh. Or indeed, a luxuriously appointed A-Class motorhome…
Well said.
She has the permanent rictus grin of The Joker.
What on earth does it look like if Beatie and/or Sturgeon are subsequently charged, or do the SNP know something about how the investigation will proceed that we don’t…..?
Tell your sitting SNP MSPs…….if you don’t have “for Scottish Independence” on the ballot paper under their name in 2026 then they will NOT get your vote.
Remind them that their loyalties should lie with the folk that elect them.
Not some Party whip!
Absolutely right
Come on, debzohighland, do you seriously think there is actually any point in asking, never mind trusting, the SNP charlatans to include anything in the manifesto when there is a remote possibility the party might be crippled by scandal and potential legal fees from one/or more criminal cases?
Have you pictured the (calculated) scenario where the SNP might just be taken down a couple of weeks before the election, once the ballots have already been printed, leading to hundreds of thousands of pro-independence votes being completely wasted?
We have seen the testing of that strategy in the past for some candidates, haven’t we?
Why would you even give the SNP the time of the day when it is, at all practical effects, a zombie party?
The SNP has demonstrated for the last 10 years where their loyalties lie: with London and with Labour. That is not going to change just because a few people threat to deny them the vote. In fact, I am of the opinion you would be encouraging them to betray Scotland even more. Since November 2014 the SNP is only SNP in name. Internally is labour. It is not independence what the SNP has been promoting. What they have been promoting is Labour.
SNP membership went from 25,000, to 125,000. Who were the new 100,000?
Ex labour & indy.
The problem is they’re now just New Labour with absolutely zero interest in the indy part.
Just like Labour before it – they’re taking their electorate for complete mugs & will want to remain on the gravy bus as long as they can & achieving nothing in the process.
Get them out. They’ve squandered numerous mandates – another one won’t change anything & they’ll not put a single line in their manifesto because they simply don’t mean it. They’re not an Independence party since Sturgeon was in charge of the vetting process. Only sycophants, woo woo & careerists made it onto her list…
Old SNP is deid.
When ppl show you who they are – believe them. Vote for an independent indy candidate, ISP or just boycott.
Maybe they didn’t really exist ?
Next you’ll be telling us the Hydro & AUOB marches up & down the country was just CGI…
The winner from this bourach will be RefUK. Nigel Farage just sits back while the opposition dig their own graves. As of this morning (according to the Wiki page, best fit graph, Westminster voting intention) RefUK have overtaken Labour to be the most popular (or perhaps the least unpopular) party at a UK level.
Meanwhile in Jockland, McPrävda excel beyond even their most Stakhanovite efforts.
Headline: Poll finds big SNP boost as Labour support falls apart in Scotland.
Reality: Using the baseline of last year’s election results (which the article is predicated on), the big SNP boost is a recovery from 30% to 31%. The only other party that has an increase in support is RefUK which goes from 7% to 17%. Now, that’s a big boost!
Bring it on, Viv! 🙂
“The winner from this bourach will be RefUK”
I agree, unless somehow we manage to channel all the votes that would go to the SNP towards a non-vote.
Looking at the current situation of Alba, I am very sceptical that it will remain functional and competitive for HR26 and I am of the opinion it has been made deliberately so by the dark forces of the British state to take it out of the game.
First we saw how the useful idiots and vultures for hire of the establishment, passing as “reporters”, sought to disgrace Mr Salmond’s good name in the eyes of the voters, disgustingly and unscrupulously even after his passing and when he could not longer defend himself. That clearly did not work, so now we have an apparent chaos in the party. What will be next? The next leader charged with some fabricated moorov shite?
If the SNP and Alba are brought down before the election, I suspect the most likely scenario is that many pro-indy votes in despair will end in opportunist Farage’s hands. Which also therefore rises to me the question of what the real purpose of this seemingly, on the surface, populist party, is in Scotland. I think it is seeking to consolidate into one banner the anti-independence vote. It has succeeded in hoovering up a large proportion of the tory vote in Scotland. Given the embarrassing performance of Starver and Rachel from Accounts, a good number of labour votes will be going to Farage as well.
It has been known for quite some time that the current “status quo” (tories, labour and libdems) can no longer win the battle against independence in Scotland. So, surprise, surprise, along comes Farage with the latest colonial establishment party creation.
“It has been known for quite some time that the current “status quo” (tories, labour and libdems) can no longer win the battle against independence in Scotland”
Has it been known though, Mia, truly?
I’m not seeing any battle anywhere I look. Not even a skirmish with two auld codgers slapping feebly at each other.
All I’m seeing is a small coterie of online loud mouths, largely bereft of practical ideas, who continue to talk the talk, but have no intention of ever walking the walk.
Your good self being one of them.
I guess you now have three options: Ignore me completely, decide to show me once and for all by actually doing something, or hit me with a personally abusive tirade.
Meantime, out in the real world, ordinary Scots are sick to the back teeth of culturally incompatible, illegal, grifting, knife-toting “child soldiers”, constant exposure to low-level criminality on the streets, and ludicrous, virtue-signalling Nut Zero policies making them poor.
Indy could want to sort these things out too. Independents 4 Indy could want to sort these things out too. So could you, if you got out of your online posting comfort zone.
But you won’t, so please lay off those who will.
“Has it been known though, Mia, truly?”
I think it stands to the obvious that that is the case, Hatey. The average Joe may not know about it, but the parts of the deep state that need to know, already know.
Why would the British state invest and expose itself so much to protect the SNP, Sturgeon and the conspirators unless there was an existential need for it? If there was not a need for the SNP zombie to remain in place to keep the yes vote on a leash, the British state would have dumped the useless lot long time ago.
Take a look around you:
The only political party of the traditional 3 pro colonial status-quo parties in Scotland that had a chance to win in Scotland if the SNP came tumbling down was labour. But if the prospects of that were little before Starver and Rachel from accounts took over, now you could easily say that, unless something catastrophic is deliberately done to the SNP to move out of the way, those prospects are now inexistent.
“I’m not seeing any battle anywhere I look”
Then you are “overlooking”, not looking
Farage is not an idiot. An opportunist? absolutely. But an idiot he is not.He knows that to get into n10 England is where he has to win. He is going mainly for the tory vote, and it is England where most, if not all tory vote is concentrated. So why on earth would his party waste its time and energy standing in Scotland? Because, despite attempting to present itself as a populist brand, in the eyes of the Scottish voter who is facing the dichotomy status quo vs independence, Reform UK is simply a status quo party. A status quo party that is trying to fill the void being left by three rapidly receding pro colonial status quo parties which clearly are no longer capable to hoover up the pro-independence vote.
In my opinion, this is the last roll of the dice for the British state under the pretence of democracy. If Reform Uk does not succeed in containing the tide in Scotland, and yes voters opt for not casting a vote instead rejecting the whole thing, it will be game over for the union.
“He is going mainly for the tory vote”. Not true. Just this very day a Labour Councilor flipped to Reform in Ashfield and yesterday 2 Labour Council seats were lost to Reform. Today a poll shows that amongst others, Cooper and Rayner would lose to Reform. Clearly with what will be a 200000 membership by Sunday, Reform is going to be a massive threat to Labour throughout England, Wales and Scotland. It’s why Labour are setting up a unit to counter Reform specifically according to reports.
Tories are Labour & vice versa. It’s been that way since Blair. America has the same two party nonsense. It’s all theatre & pantomime. The donors own both & why they have no scruples at crossing the floor.
Reform is also a Tory/Labour party, same shite, different brand name. Only they’re not as transparent of who their donors actually are & who is funding them. Something the electoral commission should be insisting on.
My guess is the deep state on both sides of the Atlantic. When Oligarchs start running the show & clearly they are & why fck all works, & one actually steps forward (Musk) to tell little Engurland Reform needs a new leader – the games pretty much up.
“Your good self being one of them.”
You are not listening and not paying attention to what I write.
I do no longer believe Scotland can achieve its independence by continuing to play a rigged political game whose rules are constantly being changed by the imperial power to suit itself.
I do no longer believe casting a vote for a party will ever do anything to change Holyrood until the time MSPs are prepared to ditch the Scotland Act, overrule Scotland’s MPs and recoup the powers of the old Scotland Parliament. In other words, what we are offered is a vote for ACTUAL independence, not just a stupid referendum, an even more stupid S30 or the illusion of it.
I do no longer believe casting a vote for a political party in a UK general election is of any use for Scotland unless the vote is cast for a party that is running on an abstentionist manifesto, whereby no allegiance to the English crown is sworn and seats are not taken.
I do no longer believe there is any point in continuing to endorse a fake system that is only creating a faux illusion of democracy and it is being actively abused to suppress dissent, to suppress information from the public, to perpetrate conspiracies against pro-independence political figures and it is used to rob Scotland from its assets and territory under the pretence of this faux “democracy” and “agreement” from the corrupt political party in power.
Given these circumstances, I believe that the only sensible option is to openly reject that corrupt colonial system by refusing to engage with the deliberately rigged game that is preserving it. You refuse to engage by denying them ALL a vote.
My objective is not to win a stupid election only to watch yet again how our majority gets rendered useless by the British state with infiltration, bribes or blackmail. My objective is to bring the whole darn rotten colonial abusive pretend democracy system down. As of today, the best chance I can see for it is by decreasing the turnout beyond the point the British state can no longer hide it and beyond the point the result can be whitewashed as “democratic”.
So, come HR2026, unless a miracle occurs and a political party stands on a manifesto to ditch the Scotland Act, bypass our useless Scotland’s MPs and revert to Holyrood all the powers currently held in Westminster, I will not vote. Either I vote for independence, or I do not vote.
Sorry, but I do not see how that is standing in the way of others. Do not expect me to endorse, for the sake of it, something I do not believe in, something I do not find convincing, or something that pretends to be what it is not.
But that just makes you one of a small “People’s Front of Judea” ginger group with next to no traction within the movement and even less among electors as a whole.
Thus you and others who believe as you do not voting will achieve precisely nothing for the furtherance of independence, indeed it is likely to set it back by years, because the only realistic hope of achieving independence in any reasonable timescale is via plebiscitary elections.
For plebiscitary elections to work, we have to maximise the total pro-independence vote. It doesn’t matter which party it is for, or if it is for a non-party independent candidate: if they are all standing on and pledged to a plebiscitary mandate being sufficient rationale for declaring independence, than that is all that is required.
The parties or independent candidates don’t need to co-operate or even like each other. They don’t need to agree on any policies other than the principle of plebiscitary elections.
As is always the case, those who don’t vote, don’t count.
?The only way non-participation would count would be if the numbers doing so were so great that it gave the look and feel of being illegitimate: even then, given that people happily accept turnouts of 50-60% for General Elections and often much lower for local elections, how low is low enough?
You say: “that just makes you one of a small “People’s Front of Judea” ginger group with next to no traction within the movement and even less among electors as a whole”
Well, and so what if it does? What difference do you think saying that does to me or to the way I think?
I can tell you: none.
Take a look at the number of people in Scotland who did not cast a vote in 2024 GE and compare it with the previous 3 GEs. What do you see? Do you really see “a small ginger group with next to no traction “within the movement”? Look at the number again and then look at the proportion of the electorate that endorsed labour in Scotland at the last GE. Now look at the proportion of the electorate who cast a vote in the last few council by-elections. Who is the “small ginger group with next to no traction”?
What, in practical terms, is the worth of a political party “having traction” when that “traction” is going to achieve the square root of FA within a rigged system?
We have had ten years of a political party “having 4×4 traction” in the polls, achieving the mother of all majorities of seats, and three consecutive majorities in three consecutive elections. What did all that traction achieved? Absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. We are far worse now than we were in 2014.
Do you seriously think the SNP is just an exception? Or do you think like me that what we have is simply an example of what the British state will do every time any political party that has acquired the power to challenge and potentially disrupt the status quo?
In light of such scenario, isn’t asking people to continue voting in the same rigged system akin to asking them to simply be prepared to continue running forever in a hamster wheel wasting all their energy and getting absolutely nowhere?
Well, I am too old and too unfit to run in a hamster wheel. I am not prepared to continue running and getting nowhere for the sake of securing the salary of a group of useless charlatans or the supply of gravy for a bunch of dishonest and self-serving careerists. If that is all those individuals pursue, then they can get themselves in the hamster wheel and run to their hearts’ content, as far as I am concerned. I am no longer interested in endorsing a rigged political system whose only function in Scotland is to deny us democracy and prevent independence.
I am not ginger. I wish I was. I absolutely love ginger hair. It is rare, unique and stunning. I have said here several times to some of your colleagues: amateur and childish attempts at psychological blackmailing do not work with me. You want me to get up from sedentary position and vote? Then get a political party that stands on AND it is prepared TO ACT upon a manifesto to ditch the Scotland Act, to overrule Scotland’s MPs and to revert ALL Scotland’s powers from Westminster back to Holyrood if they get a majority of the seats. You get that and I will be the first one at the queue to cast my vote.
“how low is low enough?”
That is what needs to be established. How little is the people of Scotland prepared to accept? How little is the yes movement prepared to accept? How little are YOU prepared to accept? I do not accept as democratic a political party being given access to power when the percentage of the electorate endorsing it is lower than the percentage of people who did not cast a vote. Make of that what you wish.
By the look of it, the people of England are already making noises about the low turnout of the last GE in England and the low percentage of the electorate that endorsed labour. Here in Scotland people is so used to be bashed by the British establishment colonial parties that seemingly are prepared to accept even less than England does. But everything has a limit.
Needless to say that an increasing majority of no-voters is a bombshell waiting to be detonated. You just have to give them something worthwhile to get up and vote for. For an independence supporter, that something is the opportunity to vote for independence.
The next time I vote it will only be to cast a vote for REAL Scotland’s independence. Casting a vote for anything else is, in my eyes, nothing but a waste of my time, a waste of my vote and using my vote to legitimise precisely the abuse I think Scotland is in desperate need of getting rid of.
Scotland does not have a government or a parliament. It has a colonial administration pretending to be both. Scotland is currently being subjected to absolute rule, sustained by this rigged political system. I refuse to endorse that construct. Give me the chance to vote for the transformation of that colonial construct into a real parliament that ditches the oversight of the English crown and, as I said above, I will be rushing to be the first one at the queue to vote and I will endeavour to convince everybody I can to get up and vote for it.
Yup, totally agree. If very few bother to vote then the right to govern would have to be resolved by Scots in Scotland. A UK government would be an embarrassment without Scottish representation. It wouldn’t be a union. It would just be an English parliament.
Interesting.
I haven’t read all the posts here yet so dunno if it’s been mentioned already but I heard Scotland must send 45 MPs to Westminster or it can’t sit. That’d make sense. It’d no longer be a government of the union.
“But that just makes you one of a small “People’s Front of Judea” ginger group with next to no traction within the movement and even less among electors as a whole.”
Eh, howz your Alba Party doing then…
I’d say you need to look out your Flock of Seagulls albums for some genuine original fringe nutter behaviour and a lot of Wishing, but I note Mike Score is bald as a coot these days.
Alba may indeed fail to reach escape velocity. It’s a bit much to expect it to replace the SNP in the short term, particularly given its propensity for infighting and shooting itself in the foot.
It is however a conventional political party and not really bought in to the whole alternative politics schtick so beloved of some in here.
Polls recently have seen an uptick in support, and who knows what might happen between now and 2026?
As ever, the proponents of “cunning plans for indy” are coming up empty. It’s a bit rich for them to be rubbishing the party of Alex Salmond when there is scant evidence of their novel alternative making even a fraction of the admittedly limited progress Alba has so far. When they do, you can come back and say “told you so”.
Now? Not so much.
“It’s a bit rich for them to be rubbishing the party of Alex Salmond when there is scant evidence of their novel alternative making even a fraction of the admittedly limited progress Alba has so far”
And here you are overtly having another go at psychological blackmailing. What exactly is it that are you trying to achieve here?
Why are you so desperate to get people to keep endorsing this rigged political system that has taken us absolutely nowhere in the last 10 years?
In what way does it matter how many people vote for Alba if Alba cannot make any more progress than the SNP has ever been allowed to make to deliver independence?
Until a real vote for independence is held, and a real vote for independence is a vote to ditch the Scotland Act, to overrule Scotland’s MPs and to revert ALL powers from Westminster back to Scotland, anything else is just symbolic and a waste of our time.
I’m not desperate for folk to endorse the existing political system: it’s the default. Absent some Black Swan event that’s unlikely to change. Salvo and Liberation Scot certainly don’t seem to be building the head of steam to sweep away the normal way of doing politics.
Of course it might change: if a week is a long time in politics, who knows what 2026 will look like? All we can do is make informed guesses based on what we know now, precedent and what we think could happen.
I’m not sure how much more I can dumb it down more for you and the kids at the back. We aren’t getting another referendum. “Novel” routes to independence using “cunning plans” wont work: they won’t be recognised and they leave the overwhelming majority of voters cold.
That leaves plebiscitary elections.
That means every pro independence vote counts, except to the hard of thinking who will stay at home because they’ve been convinced by political snake-oil salesmen that there’s a magic silver bullet.
All of the things in your last paragraph are achieved by achieving 50% +1 in plebiscitary elections. Go do!
“The default”
The default is still a majority of anti-union MPs committed to end the union is all what is needed to end that union. A simple majority of pro-union MPs is all what was ever needed to bring this union about, therefore it is all what has ever been needed to end it.
“I’m not sure how much more I can dumb it down more for you and the kids at the back”
Do not patronise me. I am not asking for any explanation from you, nor I think you are able to explain a thing. Referendum? What referendum? I have known there will never be another referendum since 2014. Why? Because I never believed the official result in the first place and because I knew it would not take long for the people of Scotland to realise just how flawed that franchise was and just how the postal vote was used to rig the result, so they would reject a repeat of the same.
The British state cannot use again the same flawed strategy, and that is why we had Brown and Cameron, almost simultaneously and as an echo of each other, repeating to us that the referendum was a one-off and we could not possibly have another one. As if any of those two idiots had the fckng right to tell Scotland no about anything.
“novel routes”
What do you mean exactly by “novel routes”? How far back in history have you actually looked into? Until relatively recently, the “route” to end this union was to obtain a majority of anti-union MPs. THAT was the default. THAT was the actual route. The referendum is in fact “a novel route” when you look a little back into history. If you ever bother to look further back, you will see that there was not even a need to elect an anti-union majority of MPs. The pro-union MPs were prepared to vacate the parliamentary seats in London and head back to Scotland to reconvene the Scottish parliament at any point where the Great Britain Parliament of government of the time violated a fundamental condition of the treaty. Well, that was until they were bribed and chose to stay, that is.
“cunning plans”
Again, what nonsense are you talking about? Have you actually even read anything around the time the union was formed? EVERYTHING I have suggested has the basis on what MPs in 1711 and 1713 were suggested at the time and which were perfectly legitimate and LOGICAL at the time. They should know if they were legitimate and logical because many of those MPs were actually the MPs who ratified the treaty and Act of Union with England.
“That leaves plebiscitary elections”
What exactly are “plebiscitary elections”?
I am asking to vote for independence, and that means to vote for a manifesto that ditches the Scotland Act, overrules MPs and reverts ALL Scotland’s powers from Westminster to Holyrood, ending the union by default because of direct violation of article 3 of the treaty. Effectively I am asking to make every single Scotland MP redundant.
Which party that seeks to send MPs to Westminster will ever stand for that?
NONE.
The only political party that would do such a thing is one that stands on a manifesto to refuse to take the seats and to refuse to swear allegiance to a foreign crown. There is currently only ONE party willing to do that, and that is the ISP.
“That means every pro independence vote counts”
Counts for what? How much have our pro-independence votes in the last 10 years counted? What have we achieved?
Nothing.
“All of the things in your last paragraph are achieved by achieving 50% +1 in plebiscitary elections”
The pro-independence vote in 2015 was over 50%. What did we achieve?
Nothing.
You are asking me to trust in a system that has demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, and time and time again for the last 10 years that it is deliberately rigged against Scotland and deliberately structured to stop Scotland’s independence. Continuing to play in that system is therefore accepting you will never win. I am not prepare to play that game.
How stupid is to continue hitting your head against a wall expecting that each time you hit your head a different result will be obtained?
Again, you want me to vote?
Then get a party with a manifesto AND THE strict COMMITTMENT to act on that manifesto to ditch the Scotland Act, to overrule Scotland’s MPs and to return EVERY power from Scotland from Westminster to Holyrood if they win a majority of the seats. If there is such a party, I will be the first in the queue to vote for them.
Anything else, is a waste of my time and a waste of my vote. Either I vote for ACTUAL independence, or I do not bother to cast a vote at all.
It’s also giving it legitimacy it doesn’t possess.
Every time a Scot sits down in Westminster it’s endorsing the clown world. To be mocked, ridiculed & outvoted at every turn.
The token eejit seats to give that den of vipers the pretence it is the mother of all parliaments.
Thatcher said all Scots had to do to end the Union was to send a majority of Scottish MPs to Westminster. Somehow, since 2014, arseholes everywhere have tried to rewrite & amend that rule & invent made up shite & new rules – including Andy Ellis, the pretendy Independence supporter, who’d like everyone in the world to have a vote on Scotlands constitution or we’re all just being bigoted & mean.
Wow, Geri quoting Thatcher as a clear-sighted, pragmatic acceptor of Scotland’s right to Independence.
It’s unlikely Geri’s right, but just imagine if she is.
Thousands of greetin, gurnin Scots owe Thatcher a wee apology.
One word… Eva
Plus you never responded to my question of whether you consider Neale Hanvey to be a “covididiot”.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
I think Eva was badly treated. I wish folk like her and Denise were still in the party. Such is life. I’m sure there’s a place for independent voices like them whether as part of a party or as independents.
Your question about Neale is disingenuous. As far as I’m aware Neale Hanvey doesn’t take the position of covidiots that the vaccine was a hoax or didn’t work, he’s raising concerns on behalf of those who think that some people may have suffered adverse effects or been injured as a result of taking the vaccine, which happens with all vaccines.
Given the millions of doses, presumably it’s probable that some people were harmed. That’s a long way from accepting the claims of some relating to the frequency of harms. Whether conspiracy theorists will accept the outcome of scientific studies remains to be seen: there are still crazies out there insisting the MMR vaccine causes autism even after it was definitively demonstrated to be untrue.
Sigh… But I didn’t ask for your thoughts on how you think Eva and others were treated by Alba though…
And I’m likely way more up the curve than you are on how many were poorly treated and burned by Alba after they put in a huge amount of time and effort whilst other big names just swanned about doing their own thing.
You’d think and hope that after decades in politics big players and wannabes in a new political Party would at least have a couple of names in their address book they could call up and assist with the most basic of election campaigning necessities, rather than just winging it and dumping a shit load of work onto others.
Your attitude stinks. I’m rightly “vaccine” critical in relation to covid as clearly there were and still are issues, yet you hurl the covidiot tag at me. Is everyone with jag related health issues Neale was speaking up for covidiots too.
And then as is your usual modus to fluff up yer shite you try to lever in the MMR conspiracy theory stuff… Jist fuck off with that and you’ve got some neck calling anyone disingenuous.
I’m not responsible for your comments being insufficiently clear Dan. You were the one who brought Eva up. What else did it refer to? Sigh.
What are you on? Nobody sane disputes that there will likely have been side effects of the Covid vaccine, just as there are for EVERY vaccine. People accept those risks and odds, because the benefits are held to outweigh the risks.
The comparison of the more extreme covidiots with MMR conspiracy theorists is valid.
What’s not clear to you.
I mentioned Eva in response to you stating:
“As ever, the proponents of “cunning plans for indy” are coming up empty. It’s a bit rich for them to be rubbishing the party of Alex Salmond when there is scant evidence of their novel alternative making even a fraction of the admittedly limited progress Alba has so far. When they do, you can come back and say “told you so”.
Now? Not so much.”
Eva – Standing as an I4I candidate with a very short and compromised election campaign and virtually no support or publicity from Indy “
influencers” gatekeepers got more votes than Alba’s Kenny MacAskill in the Alloa & Grangemouth constituency.People should give informed consent prior to receiving a jag, not have it effectively forced into them through societal coercion, and without being properly informed and screened for underlying health issues which may mean they should not be given the jag.
They were even using different manufacturers’ serums for the first and second jags so no way proper safety and efficacy studies could have been completed.
I know of several folk that had serious reactions such as taking ill after 2nd jag then suffering heart attack and stroke in the following hours, and they got that 2nd jag administered even though they told the jagger that they took a bad reaction to the first jag.
Other person had bad clot in leg and is now in constant pain with resultant mobility issues to the point they could claim disability but don’t want to for various reasons.
Dan,
Any nutter who posts how they cured their skin cancer by “rubbing vitamin c tablets on it” deserves all the ridicule they get !
Wait….whit….? Dan thinks vitamin C tablets rubbed on the skin cures cancer? Truly, there are not enough lolz.
That’s a peach even by the already low standards of the usual suspects in here. 🙂
Yes, he’s posted this several times !
And you’d both look marginally less like nutters if you’d googled it before making your posts…
link to jaad.org
Yeah, we should all trust your word and 1 linked google search result which actually ends:
No the slam dunk you thought then, huh?
There is numerous other information out there should you bother to look instead of trying to pick holes in a study that had successes and that thought the simple and cheap treatment warrants further investigations.
Did you note the ages of the folk in the study and the single application a day.
But what would I know seeing as I actually went through it rather than some nutter who hasn’t.
I was much younger than the folk in the study and treated myself in a more intensive way by multiple topical applications a day keeping the area moist with Vit C solution.
Due to the health service fucking up with interdepartmental communications to the consultant, by the time I first saw the oncologist after months of waiting the post scab shedding open sore through outer dermis layer on side of nose had developed to a diameter of around 8mm and depth of 3mm with a slightly raised perimeter of about 12mm diameter and visible capillaries tracking away from it.
My oncologist identified the lesion as a BCC and scheduled me in for “treatment”.
I presumed because I was young and it was in a prominent place that they would be using Moh’s surgery to excise the lesion so to limit permanent disfigurement.
But when I attend the appointment I was told that they wouldn’t be doing that type of surgery, and that due to the size of the lesion they would be excising a much larger margin area around the cancer and using a skin graft which he told me would unfortunately leave me with fairly significant scarring.
He then told me they wouldn’t be doing the operation that day because it was near festive season and there would not be adequate health provision cover should there be issues with the skin graft taking or becoming infected.
So I left and read up about Vit C treatment and gave that a go.
It cleared up with my intensive treatment in a few weeks leaving just pink scar tissue.
When I went back to see the oncologist for a pre-op reschedule he was miffed as to why it had gone as he said “these things don’t just go away by themselves”.
Told him what I had done and they scheduled in a biopsy section across the pink scar tissue which later came back clear.
That was probably 20 years ago and no sign of return, and you can’t even tell where it was now rather than me getting half my nose cut off and left with permanent scar.
I’ve since had a passing conversation with a different oncologist who used to live in the area and they stated that it seemed some genetic types do respond to the Vit C treatment whereas others don’t.
Could post pics but why would I bother as I’ve clearly explained it, other wingers have seen them and my nose, and you’ve just shown yourself to be an unthinking close-minded idiot who is always trying to find an angle to jump in and have a go and cause disruption and division rather than just keep out of something you clearly know fuck all about.
Aye right !
So you say that 20 years ago you “read-up” on Vit C treatment for cancer ?
Where did you read this ?
To back up your story you post a link to an article dated 2016 ??
Oh look, a poundshop detective trolling moron doubles down on being a dumbfuck because they apparently still can’t use google which would produce pages of results on the subject.
There’s plenty articles from around 20 years ago with some even referencing the treatment going back decades into last century.
You probably don’t realise this, but when you persevere with making a complete arse of yourself it does your credibility no good whatsoever.
Nah !
You’ve been caught out once again posting rubbish !
Rubbish about beavers !
Rubbish about solar panels !
Rubbish about heat pumps !
Don’t you realise how dangerous it is to post about “magic cures” for cancer ?
You still haven’t came up with yer own ‘cunning plan for indy’ when you win a plebiscite election, at a branch office no less, & Westminster tells you to fuck off. They don’t recognise it. It’s an administration. Not a parliament.
You’d hardly be in any position to complain either to yer beloved ‘international community ‘ given yer all in favour of the EU pulling the same stunt if it involves taking down countries you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with.
So Einstein, shits the plan when they won’t recognise little old YOU?
Come up with an answer. You’ve potential Alba voters on the edge of their seats waiting…
I’m not responsible for your short attention span or poor comprehension skills Geri. Wipe the spittle from your screen and read back a bit. Plebiscitary elections are the only feasible rout to indy in the short to medium term.
As you rightly point out, we aren’t getting a referendum, the movement is sadly still “led” by the Institutional Devolutionary Party that is the SNP which isn’t about to “do a Sinn Fein” and withdraw from Westminster or repatriate all responsibility for constitutional decision making to Holyrood, and there’s zero evidence of SNP members having the political courage or power to change their part from within.
Since all the alternative cunning plans for indy are either pipe dreams or long term projects that will take many years to achieve any results (if indeed they ever do), the only plausible and eminently achievable route is a plebiscitary election.
This isn’t rocket science. Non-recognition of the result of a democratic election is problematic for unionists. It’s immaterial whether the election is at Holyrood or Westminster.
If Scots are so craven that they will meekly accept Westminster or indeed anyone else telling them they aren’t “allowed” independence in the event a majority ever grow a pair and actually vote for it, then they don’t deserve it. That would simply signal to everyone that they don’t want it badly enough to face down those unjustly denying their right to self determination.
Their forebears who signed the declaration of Arbroath would be rightly scornful of their lack of courage.
A full and careful reading of the Declaration of Arbroath suggests to me, Andy, that our forebears would be willing us on to geno-cide some group or other, whilst establishing our common cause with the wandering Children of Is-rael. Oh, and don’t forget the divine right of kings, supported by the titled and landed aristocracy, and the princes of the established Christian church, to tell everybody else what to do and say.
I’m not knocking it, don’t get me wrong, far from it actually, but I imagine plenty on here would 🙂
That’s generally the problem with the Ancient Guff – it’s usually problematic to look too closely, i.e. to actually read it.
Far better to take gregor’s approach and just quote anonymous Hollywood script writers instead 🙂
‘This isn’t rocket science. Non-recognition of the result of a democratic election is problematic for unionists. It’s immaterial whether the election is at Holyrood or Westminster.’
Since when have they bothered with that? Do tell! They ignored devolution for decades & they’ve ignored so called legitimate & fair elections for another decade over indy & will go on ignoring them.
So you have no actual plan. No solution to force their hand. No external ruling it’s unlawful. No outside pressure to do the right thing. No nothing. So you’re just SNP part deux.
& Holyrood is a branch office of Westminster. A glorified council. It’s not Sovereign. It’s not even Scottish. It’s elections do not hold any kind of power to yer beloved International community.
Westminster is the only seat of power in the UK. Everyone & their dug knows that. A simple majority is enough for immediate exit. No cunning plans for indy required. A declaration is all that is required after a legitimate & fair election result. No section 30 required. No grovelling required. No let’s wait & see required.
Yer like cats in a sack squabbling over the cheap buffet table that’s Holyrood when the banquet is the one yer fully entitled to be at & that banquet resides at Westminster where Sovereign Scots hold authority – yet for some strange reason you lot seem obsessed with the fckn branch office. Those days of Salmond are gone. Westminster stripped it the moment Alex left & dismantled it further while Sturgeon sat back & let them.
Westminster is the only seat of power. Win a plebiscite there or just get out of the way & stop blocking indy with invented pish that’s only in yer head.
You bang on about the international community too yet cause others are actually approaching them for advice & comment – you lose yer shit & start yer derogatory name calling about moonhowlers & Brigadoon. Yet you, as it turns out, are just SNP all over again & blame the public as stupid for seeing through it.
No, they haven’t, because not a single one of the elections has been plebiscitary, because the daeless SNP doesn’t have the stomach for the fight. The movement as a whole made the error of putting all it’s eggs in one SNP shaped basket, and placed their faith in the British nationalist establishment abiding by the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement principles with respect to holding referendums. Our mistake.
I just outlined the plan above. The fact you’re too ideologically blinkered or intellectually limited to figure it out is your own concern. Alert readers will see your dissimulation for what it is. The only pressure that ultimately matters is Scots voters exercising their majority and refusing any purported unionist veto or failure to recognise a clearly expressed desire for self determination.
Nobody else is going to do it for us: to recognise our independence, we have to actually make it abundantly clear it is the settled will of the majority and dare the unionists to do their worst if they refuse to act in good faith to recognise a declaration of independence.
Any self regarding people worth its salt has to do this. Short of violence and actual war à la Ireland in the 1920’s, the Scottish people faced with a British nationalist state which was refusing to negotiate would have to use civil disobedience, refusal to pay taxes or recognise the organs of the British nationalist state (as the Irish nationalists did pre 1918) and if necessary declare UDI.
The SNP are now a devolutionary force like the IPP of old, not a true nationalist party committed to achieving independence in any reasonable timescale.
Do election results not count in that deluded wee bubble you reside in?
Of course there has been a battle & the yoons lost them all over a ten yr period. Durr..
There was a blib in the Matrix to return Labour to Westminster but only to get the SNP out. Those voters will now see they are worse than useless . 37 voted DOWN the 2 child cap, awww bless, who can forget that was their biggest promise they’d do if they could just win Hamilton by-election.
Mia is correct. Everything the yoons threw at Scotland wasn’t working. Even single issue elections like:
‘Just tell Nicola Naw to Indyref2’
‘A vote for us is a vote to save the Yoonion’
FAILED. As did their survey on attitudes within the Yoonion they locked as ‘matters of national security’ whit?! THAT BAD eh?
Just because the SNP is shite, sunshine, doesn’t mean the independence movement is over. We’re not going away. You & yer wee minions need to get out the mindset that the SNP is the Independence movement. They’re not & never were because indy isn’t a single political party.
Forgot to add – they absolutely won’t agree to another indyref so that tells us everything we need to know. They’d lose the next one & they absolutely know they would.
So there has been a battle. They’ve rendered the vehicle mute but indy will find another one. The champions of democracy around the globe (lol) can’t deny it at home for much longer. They’re already a laughing stock as it is…
Well, Geri, when it comes to laughing stocks, you’re the undisputed expert.
BTW, what news of the F16s?
I hear that nice Mr Macron has delivered the first Mirage 2000’s to our friends in the East too, and that they are on the offensive again in Kursk.
I wonder if the Donald had a cunning plan for that part of the world? Perhaps they might want to turn the Crimea in to the Black Sea Riviera…?
Or we could just tell Uncle Vlad that Kaliningrad is no longer his, so the inhabitants should all just move elsewhere?
That appears to be how the New World Order works, right? May God save us all. 🙂
Maybe the true owner/occupiers of the Crimea, the Tatars, should be brought back in, and the more recent colonisers shipped out.
Haud oan though. The usual suspects are on record as being virulently opposed to people reclaiming their ancestral homelands.
Unless it’s people they like. Then they’re all for it and will even justify it by declaring an arbitrary “Year Zero” date at which history started.
I’m wondering if President Trump just can’t understand why the occupants of that privileged and uniquely situated slice of prime real estate in the ME couldn’t have devoted their lives to turning it into an earthly paradise. Whilst making themselves filthy rich in the process.
It beats me too.
Just imagine it. Beautiful beaches, and a wonderful location, midway between the tourist hotspots of the Holy Land and Ancient Egypt. All of that potential sacrificed to the urge to kill the unbelievers and then enjoy the benefits in the afterlife.
Haud oan…as Alf would say….you just rubbished the idea of achieving independence via plebiscitary elections because *reasons*!
At least try and show some intellectual consistency Geri: either elections are important or they aren’t.
What’s sauce for the goose an’ a’ that: if yoons can insist that a majority voting for British nationalist parties is a mandate for remaining in the union, then the corollary is that a majority voting in such elections for independence will be able to make it so.
No ifs, no buts, no maybes.
The only thing stopping us then would be showing the balls not to take “No” for an answer.
?Whether the future majority who vote for independence have the balls not to take “No” for an answer is the $64,000 question.
“showing the balls not to take “No” for an answer”
And right there, Andy, you’ve (ahem) put your finger on the root of what is in effect Scottish Indy’s entire and sole problem.
Or rather, you haven’t, because where the balls should be, there’s nowt.
Nobody with guts, vision and drive. Nobody with charisma.
I believe it was Young Adolf who once said something like “men believe strongly in that which is believed strongly”.
That was in the 1930’s so I’m sure we can modernise it to include women too.
Who in Scotland today believes strongly in Indy, and has the guts, vision and drive to motivate the rest of us to believe strongly too?
I’m stumped.
Let the cavemen in Engerrlaand keep English Nationalist frog face for themselves.
If I may quote from the excellent post by Confused;
“Anyone, but especially any Scot, who votes for reform is so far from sanity they should be immediately sectioned and sent to carstairs”.
Yeah, you’re doing a great job of “scrolling by” aren’t you Chief – I’m living rent-free inside your fat, empty, echo chamber of a head.
Pathetic.
Ooh. (lol)
But with typical English generosity we are actually sharing Nigel with you as you can see from Reform’s surging growth in Wales and indeed Scotland.
Last time he was in Scotland he’d to hide in a pub.
Only surge in support will be from the blow-ins community. Not the actual Scottish or Welsh vote. It’s foreign interference. He’s no business being in a devolved parliament. He should fck off and campaign for his own English one.
He’s got a nerve. He was never done wanting his independence from Europe – always banging on they were meddling in little Engurland – yet here he is trying to needle his way in to devolved parliament where after seven rounds of elimination he may end up with a free seat to bang on about fcking Engurland in Holyrood & we have three of them already.
It’d be ironic tho – him banging on about immigration when it’d have been the immigrants that’d have voted for his party.
Oh, did I say immigrants? I meant ‘ex pats’ my bad…
Maybe the (non swivel-eyed, normal, employed) Scots have had more than enough of the current and previous shower.
That’s democracy for you. Suck it up, buttercup.
Yer like parasites. Everything has to be yours while you devour the host then have to wonder why no one likes you.
Reform is a one trick pony, one agenda & that is racism. It’s why the English colonisers invented it. Little Engurland always needed ‘the other’ to blame & to browbeat. The colonisers in London are shitting themselves Scotland is exiting the union & taking it’s cash cow with it.
They’ve got to invent & manufacture chaos. It what they do…. Step forward Nige, the dodgy as fck racist who just happens to be married to a German LOL! Aye, that’s believable. Cavorting & funding Tommy Robinson around Westminster didn’t catch on – gotta try someone else. Step forward Reform. The one gaining traction just as long as you don’t ask who is funding them.
Instead of looking for yer own countrys Independence, like normal Sovereign countries do, & be responsible for yer own decisions, standards of living & spending like normal hard working ppl strive to do – here you are shitting yerself like the desperate, forever dependent, leeching cunts that you are, you have to meddle & take someone else’s.
Reform will only attract the knuckle dragging, brain dead element in Scotland. The Yoon vote. You know , those apes that trashed George Square & war memorials while giving Nazi salutes for WINNING indyref & there isn’t many of those in Scotland or we’d have seen them at AUOB every month over the last few yrs.
& Hark at you & democracy ya Fud – you’d happily deny Scottish independence indefinitely along with yer rulers. Fascist is the name yer looking for – suck it up & embrace it, sweet cheeks…
Being told “no one likes you” by you is beyond ironic, love.
Imbecile.
“The colonisers in London are shitting themselves Scotland is exiting the union”
Jeezo, nae cant ever tells me onything!
?
The good English folk should look efter them. No us.
Just further proof that she’s on someone’s payroll & it’s not the SNPs.
She’ll be doing it to swoop in & be the SNP leader again & her seat will be a guaranteed shoo-in where she’ll amend, yet again, the SNP rules on bending the knee & we’ll see her in ermine quicker than Branchform can order another round of doughnuts.
SNP mantra of Both Votes SNP in the next Scottish Election will be proof positive that the SNP are an Unionist front party totally controlled from the City of London !
And that is the way that it is. A once great party hollowed out by corrupt and treacherous individuals like Sturgeon.
She failed as a solicitor being found guilty of behavior not becoming of a solicitor.
She has utterly failed as a politian with behaviour which could euphemistically be described as that of not becoming of a politician
In more forthright parlance she is a corrupt mendacious piece of work who has done everything she could to derail independence. And her fight with Salmond, her part in the conspiracy to do him down, all part of am establishment plot to do down the man they feared. And of course that is why she opposed am SznP Alba super majority through the policy of SNP 1 and 2.
Yes, rotten, corrupt and a thoroughly devious despicable piece of work. Nothing she does should be a surprise.
Well, trump did it, so why not the mad queen as well. After all, she needs the audience, has no shame, is backed by the state and has a MAGA like cult following. What could go wrong???
A colony is always overseen by ‘security services of the mother country’ (Fanon), plus ‘a strong government and justice system’ working to protect the colonizer’s interest (Memmi), and its numerous ‘confidential agents pensioned off at high reward’ (Cesaire).
Hence a colony is a Manichean world where nothing is quite as it seems, apart from the poverty, under-development and lack of opportunity of the native people deprived of their resources and culture/language.
The sturgeon is exhibiting all the confidence of someone who is being protected. This woman is the worst thing that ever happened to the independence movement yet here she is once more being thrust into our faces no doubt with a plan to finish her work with the complete destruction of the SNP.
Obviously the protection didn’t extend to her husband. She should’ve upgraded her plan.
Wouldn’t it be fun if he wrote a book or something? Lol It’d sell better than hers.
The Scots Gaelic word for tractor is traoidhtear.
Here are some other Scots Gaelic words related to betrayal:
___________
Please….
Remember the good old days when it was just unionists that wrecked Scotland (hiding McCrone, 79 ref, GERS, pissing away NSO etc). After 2014, doing FA against Brexit and selling (giving away) renewables contracts meant that the SNP had openly joined the union spivs. Now we have the SNP signed off SEZ’s & Freeports to add to the list of union treachery as the UK gives up all pretence of being a viable state. We badly need something to vote for instead of the meaningless lies of ‘vote for me, I’m not as bad as the others’.
No Scottish Oil Refinery, No Scottish Bank, No Scottish Steel, No Scottish Coal, pitiful Scottish Ports, pitiful Scottish Shipbuilding, diminishing seafood processing plants, jam factories almost extinct, biscuit production going extinct too except tory tunnocks !
She’s seen the SNP rise in the polls and has decided to keep herself on the gravy train. She’s under police investigation, hasn’t a great record as an MSP and barely shows her face in Hollyrood. She’d probably still win as there’s plenty of SNP loyalists out there but it diminishes Scottish democracy.
Of course the media will love it & ask few tough questions of her, and as said, the party leadership won’t stand up to her as I assume she weilds a huge amount of power in the party. It wouldn’t shock me to see her become part of Swinney’s cabinet as she tries to rebuild her power base again.
My rapidly diminishing hope is that she’s brought ti trial and imprisoned but I’ve now got minimal belief that anything is going to happen.
She probably sees the potential for a leadership crisis (which she might engineer) somehow needing a quick no contest replacement (which she might also engineer).
And who else has the experience to step up at short notice, in a similar manner to ending up with Swinney.
Well …
The vacancy for Scotland’s Chief Mammy has been unfilled for a while.
And NS was wildly popular when she last did the job (she was though, so please, no revisionist posts arguing to the contrary).
So why not?
She was wildly popular with seventh-dimension chess devotees, not so much with the rest of us.
Which part of “no revisionist posts arguing to the contrary” was beyond your ken?
She was wildly popular with the majority of the Indy movement. She was quite popular, even on here, as recently as the Covid years.
Some of the regulars who are still posting today used to come on here to praise her to the heavens for “keeping us all safe”.
Looks like Scotland is trying to do a Blair. Blair was wildly popular – so much so he got three consecutive terms. Yet it’s near impossible these days to find anybody who will admit to ever voting for the boy.
Post-war Germans and Young Adolf comes to mind. It’s the same protective amnesia in play.
If you can find a single post I made pro Nicola Sturgeon since 2015 I will be unbelieving. Some of us knew then she was a bad un even in 2015. Not just for Scottish Independence but for Scotland. And so it has came to pass. It was the Caird Hall wot done for me. And that’s not protective amnesia. If I end up in her book as a constant critic it will be justified. And now she is gaslighting the entire Scottish Nation by threatening to stand again. And every single SNP member should hang their head in shame.
You’re one of the sound cants on here, George, so of course I believe you.
My point is, though, that SNP members won’t hang their heads in shame, and neither will those Scots who will continue to vote for her, nor those Scots who will vote SNP until they croak.
As for the regulars on here, whose support and adulation for NS and the SNP remains within living memory, you’ll never hear a peep of apology or contrition. It’s all MI6 subversion shite, or imaginary tractor fiction.
It’s always somebody else’s fault, never their own, betraying a congenital inability to face reality on their part.
The exorbitant costs of the new Bar-L can be considered an exercise in forward planning on the part of the SNP Government – gotta take good care of their embezzlers, sex offenders and perjurers in the years ahead.
With the imminent release of Surgeon’s Faecalography, perhaps she is thinking of the sequel
Sorry, there’s a ‘t’ in Sturgeon
These SNP scammers will never get my vote again.
I don’t believe the New SNP is bothered, the JOB has been done by destroying the SNP. The SNP was a great party with loyal members who supported Independence for Scotland, removal of nuclear weapons and a free Palestine.
The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games
Daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path.
If she does get re elected as a M S P and becomes First Minister again her time will be short as she will not have a majority to defend herself from a vote of no confidence.
Will she visit the SECC to attend the caravan show Neimann and Biscoff may be looking for sales staff.
I have every confidence that she’ll receive the call to become the next Secretary General of the United Nations before the ballot papers are printed for Holyrood 2026. The guid folk of Glasgow Southside’s loss will be humanities’ gain.
Oh, I appear to be lost, this is the below-the-line comments for Wee Ginger Dug?
The scorpion and the frog.
With respect to passing the vetting, you assume that moral turpitude etc. is an exclusionary rather than an inclusionary criteria. Given some of the people associated with parts of the SNP/Green coalition, I’m not sure that’s a safe assumption to make.
Nigel must think Christmas has come early for Reform Scotland. There goes another hundred thousand votes. Keep up the good work Cranky.
Whatever you do Sturgeon………………. just keep doing it!
Why would Scotland vote for
the BNP, EDL, UKipper, Brexit party ... Reform?I’m sure some blow-ins will but I have my doubts it’ll be many. We really don’t require another London based unionist party. Don’t buy any party poppers just yet..
There’s ample polling evidence (cue frothing “we don’t believe in experts now, and anyway I’VE never personally been polled so it’s all bullshit” contributions from the usual suspects) that a considerable chunk of Scottish Tory voter will indeed vote for Reform.
It’s also likely that the more hard of thinking wing of the pro-independence movement might vote for them, whether out of “plague on all your houses” sense of frustration, or because like your good self Geri, they’ve bought in to the inchoate desire to help break the current system.
The same kind of people thought voting NSDAP as a protest in 1933 was just the ticket to put a shot across the bows of conventional parties.
By the wave of the arrogant hand the argument was settled. Stupid are those who are not me. Damnation.
Indeed !
Reform will undoubtedly pick up the “F*ck You” vote which Stu posted about last year.
Granted. I’m sure there will be an element of that, though I still think it will mainly be from discontented Scottish Tories and uber yoons who were never going to vote for indy anyway.
There is certainly potential for some of the fringe elements of the indy movement to vote for them, either as a v-sign to “the man” or because (sadly?) some of them are just bigoted nativists who get off on that kind of thing. O tempora, o mores!
Still stuck on London eh. Time to grow up.
Where are the parties based then? What other city has a non-MP representative in the HOC?
Contrast the spending on London infrastructure with that of the rest of yoonland
And your point is caller?
Yes – because that’s who they serve.
London has two parliaments. I’ll bet you didn’t know that.
Everybody ” gotta serve somebody”
That’s coz I don’t care I really don’t care
Anything based in the City of London is Unionist !
And your point is caller?
London is a city. It’s not a country. A city doesn’t speak for the entire UK.
When you review the last 6-8 years of the snp in retrospect it is easy to see the security services finger prints everywhere
From the time she was compromised, in stages, a number of policies and directions were changed designed to ensure another referendum was stopped and focus on small world policies promoted.
She has compromised those around her by redactor pen and action.
Whether she comes back or not is mute. The damage done was outstanding.
I’m sure Mrs Murrel isn’t finished with her vendetta against the nationalist or anyone who’s had the BALLS to question her authority. I’ve always despised Thatcher but this one makes her look positively hansom by nature.
She isn’t finished. Her next big move will be to rule SNP usurpers & fellow trough slurpers take up a seat in the Lords. On account of ‘being Scotlands voice there’ & the security services will make sure it happen.
It’s the only thing left to rile the YES movement so the yoons will be sure to roll out the red carpet & make it happen. Up there slurping with Ruthie, part time tank commander, Moaning Mone & all the other Scottish tractors rewarded for failure.
To be honest Wings where is the MSM questioning the moral of her being put forward as a candidate for the 2026 Holyrood election upon what you’ve said here. Will it be a case of well here from one of the Rag newspapers tomorrow now you’ve done the hard work and some from the MSM has a chance to read what you’ve said today and repeat it tomorrow.
The woman hates the nationalist with avengeance, I wished she would join the Labour Party.
The MSM being Yoons know that you never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake… and you don’t get a much bigger mistake than the 5’2″ of toxicity and duplicity that haunts the corridors and cafés of Holyrood in f**king ugly shoes.
“f**king ugly shoes”
Well, I think if there is something the political fraud could ever be remembered for in the history books is her taste in shoes. But that, of course, is assuming she actually chose them herself rather than being one of those expensive advisers or “personal stylists” around her who selected them for her to wear.
By the way, the expression “fucking ugly shoes” brought me good memories of the film Erin Brockovich, which I really liked. If I remember correctly, Brockovich used the expression in reference to a useless and stuck up lawyer waiting to snatch all the credit for Brockovich’s hard work. Then, of course, the lawyer went and fcked all up. Just like the political fraud tried to reap credit for some of Mr Salmond’s best achievements while working behind the scenes to completely destroy the others….
To stay at home and d not vote is meaniingless but,as you say, we need to destroy its credibility.
There was a fledging movement in 2024 to spoil ballots if you had nobody you could consider suitable. It took 2 forms 1. write ‘End The Union’ across the paper, or ‘Not my Parliament’. We’d all be as well protesting. Starting a movement is needed and now. Mr Bell, and Mr Barrhead boy pushed it. But it needed more time
It isn’t really meaningless. If everyone in Scotland boycotted the vote it’d have no representation. Unlikely but possible. It’s a GB parliament. Not an English one.
Starmer gets pelters every time he opens his wee yappy mouth on the world stage in geopolitical circles. The dud on 33% of the vote doesn’t speak for the UK. They love to drop it in there from time to time just to remind the audience. The worst ever vote, post war.
Same with Europe & their cobbled together backroom dodgy deals to form coalitions to block the genuinely elected winner.
Funny that these are the very same ppl telling genuine elected leaders that they don’t recognise them or their elections cause the hand picked, pre approved candidate lost so let’s just call them off or say it’s interference LMAO!
Recent shit show in Romania.
She had a stylist who was also shit. How many granny suits & twin sets in exact same style, different colours – could she comission in 10+ yrs? I suppose we should be grateful they were never in her favourite Multi-Terrain camouflage pattern or commando green LOL I’m sure they’d have been a far better fit making her feel right at home.
The shoes was cause she’s a dwarf. What is it with wee ppl? They always have an attitude.
Her shoes remind me of Imelda Marcos. Another FUD family duo on the take who betrayed their people.
It’s as if she knows that the conclusion of Op Branchform will always be in the future, like the Second Coming, or Notts County winning the FA Cup.
or as in kick the indy can doon the road, again…
They say the criminal always returns to the scene of the crime
Poll:
Ian Brotherhood on X: “Here’s a question for employers, large and small, all trades/skills, public/private, whatever… Would you employ Nicola Sturgeon? link to s.w.org” / X
No. She’d be rejected.
Her CV a catalogue of repeated failure,.
Her dodgy as fck references fae habitual [redacted] liars.
Her history of not working well with others.
An ongoing police investigation on alleged embezzlement charges..
… would have every good employer who values their business & brand reaching for the smelling salts.
Only their Maw would employ anyone like that. Or some head honcho mafia boss who makes them an offer they cannot refuse – oh, wait.
Here’s another one, not a ‘poll’ but a straightforward question.
Ian Brotherhood on X: “If you had the opportunity to ask Nicola Sturgeon one question – just the one – and she *had* to answer it truthfully, what would it be? link to t.co” / X
What was the full minutes of the meeting in a hotel room with Mayhem?
A First Minister & a Prime Minister don’t meet in hotel rooms. They meet at an official office or residence. Scared of it being bugged? Two wee agents swapping notes & a catch-up.
Tell us Nicola, did Big Bird run through yer wheat fields anaw? LOL.
So whit was that all about? It certainly wasn’t to hold her to account now wis it?
Aye.
Interesting, isn’t it, that the red-tops the following day led with some idiotic shitery about who had the best legs?
Have you ever had an orgasm. Tell the truth and shame your own devil
Are you asking me or would you prefer to ask again using some form of quotation marks?
Only joking…
Don’t forget:
She’d have been well pissed off with only receiving flowers..
Other politicians receive a title, a pay rise, a mansion, a holiday home, a swanky car, a gig on the international circuit, a side hustle of being an advisor, invites to all the best dogging/swingers clubs around the globe & a lifetime invite to Epstein Island & the soon to be Riviera on the Med.
I guess she drew the Lidl version.
Flooers. Expires in 7 days..lol
London clearly has this lady over a barrel due to her widely publicised corruption issues. And the fact that London continues to rely on this wretched so heavily goes to prove that Westminster is totally devoid if any policy, substance or tactics when it comes to inducing Scots to stay in a catastrophically failed Union.
And while it is obviously quite annoying to see London continuing to deploy this gofer of theirs, people on the Yes side should take heart from the fact that the brainless, disloyal arseholes down there are obviously at the point if scraping the barrel when it comes to keeping a hold on Scotland and her resources.
Sturgeon won’t be the only one caught up in London’s corruption net. Westminster will undoubtedly have some of her cohorts over the barrel as well. But it is a sure sign that London is totally bereft when it comes to real tactics and attractive policies.
The losers should just give up the ghost and accept the inevitable at this point. It is hard to not feel embarrassed for the brainless bastards when the best they can do is recycle this wretched, corrupt woman for the purposes of clinging onto Scotland.
Plus, something tells me that a cursory glance into London corruption would yield a lot more than a stupid camper van and 600k. But we NEVER get to hear about London corruption. That can of worms remains hermetically sealed. But, for how long?
Things going on in Scotland…
Got to laugh at talk of banning cats due to environmental damage, whilst completely ignoring unofficially released beavers shagging and procreating like fuck and expanding their territories whilst dropping endless mature planet saving trees quicker than new ones can grow, flooding land and ruining fish habitats.
link to isp.scot
MSM reporting the Baltic States have begun the 48-hour process of disconnecting from the BRELL electrical supply and distribution network.
Extraordinary that has gone unremarked here, given that the key to our independent affluence is reckoned to be our vast resources of renewable energy.
Maybe this is yet more news from the coal face of reality that jars with the imaginary worlds in poster’s heids!
Probably self-vetting in her case.
For comparison, wouldn’t it be interesting to find out of any persons who failed vetting to stand as a candidate for the SNP and the reasons given for rejection.
To cushion the horror of the smirking scorpion becoming next FM I may just see what odds Ladbrokes would give me on wee cheeky 100 quid. Then if it comes to pass I can afford the airfare to somewhere more sensible. Maybe Trump Tower in Gaza?
Once operation bluetent/branchform is officially done with her, she’ll likely be thinking of the leadership again. Lot of people in the party would still support her.