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    1. Hugh Jarse says:

      Ouch!
      Truth hurts.

      Up early today CC, plane to catch?

      WATP
      😉

    2. Robert Louis says:

      So, under Sturgeon’s SNP government, democratic, peaceful demonstrations are to be banned anywhere near Holyrood, but these bigotted thugs just carry on marching with their banners big drums, racism and hatred.

      Well done, SNP. Is this the ‘progressive’ Scotland of which you all brag??

      This cartoon is a timely reminder of just what the orange lodge actually is. I don’t know who is worse, the orange bigots, or the clowns in Government who ENABLE them (looking at you SNP Glasgow city council and Scottish Government).

    3. Geoff Huijer says:

      That this is even a ‘thing’ in the 21st Century is shameful.

      The cartoon nails it, however.

    4. ronald anderson says:

      Aye don’t go near Holyrood there’s ah wee crabbit resident that pays council tax an will complain about the noise .

    5. Geoff Anderson says:

      Sturgeon has a very narrow concept of the term hate speech!

    6. Socrates MacSporran says:

      The raison d’etre of the Orange Order is to maintain a Protestant monarchy.

      What’s going to happen in an Independent Scotland, after we have a referendum on whether or not to keep the monarchy – should that vote be for abolition?

      At a stroke, the LOL’s reason for marching is removed – will they stop?

      I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    7. Dorothy Devine says:

      Excellent Chris and a reminder why I won’t be gracing town with my presence or venturing out after 10 a.m.

    8. Willie says:

      This reflects absolutely the policies of Sturgeon, her government and the corrupt police and prosecution service.

      Orangemen are allowed to march expressing all the hatred they can muster whilst a single solitary individual can now be arrested for standing in protest in the public grounds of Holllyrood.

      This is not in any shape or form the action of a democratic state. But we already know that from a hostile and vicious police and prosecution who malignly harass, harry, and prosecute people out of political vindictiveness. And now that politically vindictive police will utilise serious organised crime legislation against people standing the the parliament grounds expressing a view.

      The absolutely corrupt police and their political masters are truly our enemy. I like many have absolutely nothing but detestation for them.

      But that is modern Scotland. A police state, with a rotten to the core government, and a country with a failing economy and failing public services……………..and a Loyal Orange Order.

    9. Cenchos says:

      It’s Satsuma Pride day.

      ‘Be kind’.

    10. John Jones says:

      Still can’t understand why anyone commemorates, in Scotland, a battle between a Dutchman and an Englishman in Ireland 331 years ago.

    11. Captain Yossarian says:

      I don’t know if anyone is following the story of the Freeports…they are being set-up all over the UK to take advantage of Brexit. Teeside, Liverpool, Plymouth; I believe there were to be 10No in total, 2No of which were to be in Scotland.

      It turns out that Scotland aren’t getting any Freeports. The SNP want to set-up their own. They are insisting that the Freeports are Green and that they pay the living wage and all the rest of it. It seemed to me to be a minor detail that could be sorted out at the end of the process. But no.

      The way it stands at the moment is that the UK Government are asking the Scottish Ports to apply and I undertand that they all want to apply. The UK will select one without the cooperation of the SNP and set it up as a Freeport. The SNP say they will set-up the other Freeport (they want to call it a Greenport), although when and if that will ever happen is anyone’s guess. So, instead of having two Freeports, we will have a Freeport and (maybe) a Greenport five years or so too late. All the trade will have gone to England, Wales and NI.

      So, whatever anyone says on here, this for me is an example of the vacuum of sensible government that exists in Scotland just now. The SNP do what they like and are not answerable to anyone.

      I wonder if The National will cover this story?

    12. Geoff Anderson says:

      Captain Yossarian

      Do you actually know what a Freeport is?
      I mean the real purpose!

    13. Astonished says:

      Excellent cartoon. Painful because it is so true.

      Humza useless panders to these racists. And for that he should have no part in Scotland’s government.

      P.S. Anyone else hearing things are about to hit the fan ? ( regarding the embezzlement of funds )

    14. Geoff Anderson says:

      https://archive.is/55FAX

      Freeports

      Tortes only help their donors make money.
      If the happen to be crooks – (((shrug)))

    15. Breeks says:

      Captain Yossarian says:
      18 September, 2021 at 9:05 am
      I don’t know if anyone is following the story of the Freeports…

      So, whatever anyone says on here, this for me is an example of the vacuum of sensible government that exists in Scotland just now. The SNP do what they like and are not answerable to anyone.

      I don’t know about the story of Freeports Captain Yossarian, but you’re not following the story of Westminster’s colonial subjugation of Scotland, which is a lamentable story 300 years in the making of Scotland having it’s rights and resources plundered, but coordinated vocal resistance to such exploitation dissipated with a generous distribution of baubles and trinkets to the strategic few, and anybody who rejects their hush money and largesse from London is lambasted as a troublemaker and a threat to Scotland’s prosperity.

      Scotland can only be blessed with Freeports if it kneels in it’s yoke, and accepts life as dictated by England’s Brexit and England’s colonial government, which is in Scotland is an unconstitutional outrage.

      “Aw, but we’ll take our baubles away”.

      “Aye. Shove yer baubles up your arse. Scotland will defeat this unconstitutional colonial outrage, and never embrace it.”

      These wankers “offering” us Freeports are the same wankers who stole our Four Freedoms in Europe, which included free movement. You expect us to be grateful Captain Yossarian?

    16. Breeks says:

      English colonialism will take away your home and expect you to be grateful when it gives you a blanket.

    17. Geoff Anderson says:

      I never knew this!

      “Murrell was formerly the Company Secretary of Independence Merchandising Limited, a now-dissolved company that included as its directors SNP politicians Pete Wishart and Stewart Stevenson.”

      Making money from those passionate about Independence is not a new thing for some!
      Our hopes, their business.

    18. Captain Yossarian says:

      Geoff – I think there are more than enough crooks at Holyrood, wouldn’t you agree? No doubt there are crooks involved in Freeports too, but is that too much for our Police and Judiciary to handle?

      Anyway, in answer to your question, the Freeports will be set-up to offer tax-relief and zero VAT on imported goods and raw materials. If the raw materials are processed into manufactured goods here, then they will qualify too. I understand the Gov are providing money for regeneration of the ports involved and its not just the areas immediately local to the port, but anything within a 30mile of so distance, but whose purpose will be to service the port.

      The money on offer is a few hundred million. Not a fortune then in the scale of Fergusons ferries for example, but it gets the process started and then if it works there will no doubt be more.

      That’s as much as I know, but the ports themselves want to be designated as Freeports and if Scotland wants to be a trading nation then it seems to me that we are a disadvantage if we are not in the scheme?

      In my opinion, we should be at the head of the queue and be contributing to making it work. That’s Ivan McKee’s job after all, isn’t it? We have Green Ministers now who can get involved later. Make them distinctively Scottish by all means – but do that later, don’t use it to stop the process in its tracks.

    19. Frank Gillougley says:

      I am so so glad I no longer live in the binfire that is Scotland. At the tender age of 62, I no longer have to tolerate the absolute shite that is sectarianism and those who perpetuate it.

    20. Breeks says:

      Captain Yossarian says:
      18 September, 2021 at 9:42 am

      In my opinion, we should be at the head of the queue and be contributing to making it work..

      Your Tory is showing.

    21. Geoff Anderson says:

      1707 Act of Union

      Article 2
      2nd paragraph

      It starts
      “And that all papists, and persons marrying papists, shall be excluded and forever incapable to inherit posses or enjoy the Imperial Crown…..etc”

      Divide and Rule and the Orange Order are a clear manifestation of that intent.

    22. Captain Yossarian says:

      @Breeks – I have voted for almost every political party in my lifetime including, by the way, the Alba Party. I have never voted Tory and so you can relax about that. What I will say is that Holyrood should be prepared to work with the UK Gov of the day, whoever that is, to achieve the best for Scotland. That’s my only point. Mature governments all over the world do it; why can’t ours?

    23. Geoff Anderson says:

      @ Captain Yossarian

      Like Brexit for example!
      When the Scottish Fishing Minister was first excluded and then told he could attend but must not speak. That kind of cooperation?

    24. holymacmoses says:

      That’s ”awfully’ guid Mr Cairns.

    25. James Che. says:

      Captain yossarian.

      Why should the Scottish government be working with the UK gov to make this work for Scotland.?
      The purpose of this is to help Uk gov pockets.

      We have given the Scottish government umpteen mandates to work for the Scottish people, to do our own business, which by the way would include our choice of how to use our own ports.
      There are those whom see a long term future with the union.

    26. Captain Yossarian says:

      Geoff – The Brexit negotiation was carried-out by the member government, which is the UK Gov.

    27. James Che. says:

      Geoff Anderson,

      Spot on,

      Is that not how the negotiations to join the treaty of the union happened in the first place.

      Both sides payed by the same paymaster,

    28. Ruby says:

      Maybe we should take a lesson from the Orange Lodge and not go anywhere near Holyrood.

      Holyrood is not our parliament. Holyrood is a branch of the UK Parliament.

      https://archive.is/30kbJ

      SNP MP Joanna Cherry joins Alba MPs in fight against Holyrood protest move

      “It means that from October 1, it will be an offence to be on the parliamentary estate “without lawful authority”, potentially punishable by a year in jail or a £5000 fine on conviction.”

      Would you risk it?

      I still think ‘The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Protest’ is a good idea.
      Perhaps like the Orange Lodge we could have musical instruments as well as singing.

      Is there any law that says you can’t sing & play guitar while climbing Arthur’s Seat on a Thursday afternoon?

    29. Captain Yossarian says:

      “There are those whom see a long term future with the union”. James – I have a lot of respect for your views; you’re a committed Nationalist and I have a lot of time for people like you. All I am suggesting is: Set-up the Freeports and make them work. Thereafter, if Scotland votes for independence then fine, continue to use the Freeports for their intended purpose which is to regenerate trade and benefit the port areas and the economy. I repeat, it’s the ports themselves that want this and so it should not be used by the SNP as a cheap political stunt as it will just lead to Scotland lagging further and further behind the rest of the UK. Get ahead of the UK and then vote for independence?

    30. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      Well, it’s nice to see the “off topic” rules being upheld as usual. SHUT UP ABOUT FUCKING FREEPORTS.

    31. James Che. says:

      We should actually demand a vote to see if the Scots want to join the treaty of the union.
      The two government joined together,

      We the Scots have not had this vote yet.

      Perhaps that’s why we have the claim of right.
      We’re still sovereign.

    32. Ruby says:

      Captain Yossarian says:
      18 September, 2021 at 10:17 am
      Geoff – The Brexit negotiation was carried-out by the member government, which is the UK Gov.

      Reply

      The resident Unionist troll just here to remind you of a few facts.

    33. James Che. says:

      Ruby.

      I think you have a good point, we have to do this differently
      The normal proceedings for independence marches will be banned for one reason or another while other’s singing abuse will be allowed to march.

      Very selective politics,
      You will find this will be the future in the grounds of the Scottish Parliament.

    34. Pixywine says:

      Hmmmmmm All those pastel uniforms. Go girls.

    35. Mia says:

      “What I will say is that Holyrood should be prepared to work with the UK Gov of the day

      What exactly do the words “UK government” mean?

      From where I am standing, for the last 10 years we have not had a “UK government” at all. What we have had for all this time is England’s government masquerading as “UK” government in order to take control of everybody else’s assets for its own benefit.

      There is not one democratically elected MP by Scotland among the cabinet of senior ministers with portfolio in that so called “UK” government. The political party that is currently governing England as “the UK” did not get the democratic backing to do so from Scotland, Wales or NI. If it does not have the democratic mandate to act as the “UK” government from 3 out of the 4 countries that constitute the UK, or actually 2 of the 2 kingdoms that gave birth to this political union, then it is not the UK government. It is England’s government being forced over everybody else by the English government and the English state apparatus itself.

      Johnson is an England MP, elected by England constituents to defend their interests. He was parachuted to the post of UK PM by a political party who has no democratic support from 3/4 of the UK to govern the UK.

      So where is the democratic legitimacy of Johnson to act as “UK” prime minister?

      The concept of “UK government” is therefore a misnomer. The UK government as an entity does not exist and it has not existed for quite some time. In fact, one has to wonder if it ever existed.

      What we are expected to call “UK government” is nothing more than England’s government changing its name so Scotland, Wales and NI feel England has some sort of legitimacy taking control of the other 3 countries’ assets. I think it is about time we cut the crap and ditch the misnomer where it belongs, the bin.

      England’s government cannot be the UK government without the democratic backing of Scotland, Wales or NI. Just because England MPs and the union sycophants inside and outside the SNP say England’s government is “the UK” government, does not make it so.

      Holyrood and Westminster are different entities, in the same way Scotland and the UK are different entities. Holyrood should only work with the UK gov of the day when we have a UK government and not England’s government masquerading as the UK government to take advantage of everybody else.

    36. willie says:

      Breeks @ 9.37.

      You refer to the analogy of Westminster taking away your home and giving you a blanket.

      The story is actually worse than that. Back in the mid 1700s when the English were conquering the new frontiers of Canada the English army implemented the policy of giving local tribe giving them blankets.

      However, in giving indigenous Indians blankets, Lord Jeffrey Amherst ( 1717 to 1797) as commander in chief of British forces, together with Colonel Henry Bouquet, did so with blankets impregnated with smallpox.

      And so, in 1763 as a result of this policy a smallpox epidemic engulfed the Ohio valley natives that reportedly wiped killed three-quarters of the population.

      The inhumanity is remembered by indigenous Indians to this day and so Breeks, your comments about Westminster taking one’s house and giving blankets is very much on the money.

      Of course the killing of millions in an illegal war in Iraq is confirmation that Britain in pursuit of assets, will slaughter communities in the most inhumane of ways – with Tony Blair the up to date version of that.

      As an act of insidious germ warfare his strategy was to decimate the indigenous population through epidemics of smallpox within the Indian communities.

      And so, with the implementation of the policy of the War on Iraq and the slaughter of millions by Tony Blair, Britain carries on with its tradition of slaughter in pursuit of assets.

    37. susanXX says:

      The part of history I find funny is that the Orange Lodge was set up to instil Anglicanism and originally Presbyterians were almost as hated as Catholics. On a serious note, this foul organisation should be banned as having no place in a modern Scotland.

    38. Geoff Anderson says:

      Sturgeons Scotland
      https://archive.is/OCgvn

    39. James Che. says:

      Chris cairns.

      Thumbs up for good cartoon that says it all really.

    40. sarah says:

      @ Rev at 10.25 “SHUT UP ABOUT FUCKING FREEPORTS”.

      Thanks, Rev, I was thinking along those lines myself. The Orange Order marches is this week’s topic…

    41. Ruby says:

      The other lesson we could take from the Orange Lodge is to have flash mobs that pop up at big events ie football matches.

      We just need a song. A song that is recognised as being in support of independence in the same way as ‘Sunshine on Leith’ is recognised as being in support of Hibs.

      Rangers supporters for Independence & Celtic Supporters for Independence could join together at big matches and out sing the ‘Orange supporters of the Union’.

      If that were to happen I suspect Holyrood would seek to ban all singing at football matches pdq.

      Maybe that’s not such a good idea due to potential violence.

      Independence supporting flash mobs popping up on a weekly basis here there and everywhere except outside Holyrood singing the song would be fun!

    42. Grouser says:

      This is the Independence Day of Action. I always take part in these things. However, I never go out on the day of the OO Marches.
      So I am being prevented from going peacefully about my lawful business by the real prospect of being abused by OO hangers on.
      I am neither Irish nor Catholic but the threatening behaviour is indiscriminate and affects everyone who comes in contact with it. Where is my protection under the Hate Crimes Act?

    43. Ruby says:

      sarah says:
      18 September, 2021 at 11:02 am
      @ Rev at 10.25 “SHUT UP ABOUT FUCKING FREEPORTS”.

      Thanks, Rev, I was thinking along those lines myself. The Orange Order marches is this week’s topic…

      Reply

      Don’t get too excited Sarah the ‘off topic’ rule only lasts for a short time.

      Even while there is an ‘off topic’ rule in place everyone has a different interpretation of what the topic is.

      For example would it be ‘off topic’ to ask if the Orange marchers should wear masks, if they have vax passports etc?

    44. Liz says:

      Spineless Humza failed to put this in his abomination of a HCB.
      The latter was set up to arrest wo/men for speaking out against those aggressive men who will pretend to be TW.

      The current Holyrood admin are not fit for purpose.
      Scotland will look like we live in the dark ages and loads of these people will have come from all over

    45. Ruby says:

      Grouser says:
      18 September, 2021 at 11:10 am
      This is the Independence Day of Action. I always take part in these things. However, I never go out on the day of the OO Marches.

      Reply

      You’ve just given me another idea.

      When people are stuck at home due to OO marches they could open their windows and sing the Independence song.

    46. sarah says:

      @ Ruby “we need a song”.

      I thought that in 2014 – a really catchy number that everyone recognises and sets feet tapping. Music speaks better than anything else.

      “You cannae kick oor Granny aff the bus” was good but perhaps something with a bit wider subject matter? Though humour is a great unifier too.

      There is an independence music facebook site but I can’t find it just now. They had their first public performance quite recently. Perhaps someone knows about it?

    47. Confused says:

      ‘member kids, if you don’t let a cornbeef-necked orange hun piss in your front garden, nuns will force your children to kiss the cross, take holy communion and listen to stringed instruments in church and be denied the rights and freedoms of the Glorious Revolution

      read the bible, heathens – John Knox didn’t write it for nothing.

      and never forget : EU = Holy Roman Empire =

      ROME

    48. Andy Ellis says:

      Another belter Chris. Interesting that Joanna Cherry has taken up the cudgels in the cause of putting a stop to this kind of thing.

      More clear tartan water between real progressives in Scotland and the faint-hearts in SNP perhaps? It should be Alba policy to ban these marches altogether, or at the very least to impose such stringent controls over them that the loyalist knuckle draggers just give up and nurse their bigotry and sense of community in private in the privacy of their covens….sorry lodges.

    49. Ruby says:

      Does the Orange Lodge give free music lessons?

    50. Cag-does-thinking says:

      Freeports as the trolls are advocating were something we had back when the Tories brought it in back in the 1990s, indeed the now state owned Prestwick Airport was a Freeport. It was a rather obvious attempt to pander to rich companies to avoid paying taxes by moving goods about the EU without having to pay VAT or tax in the various countries where your goods were held. It was so successful I don’t know why it ended unless………..

    51. Cag-does-thinking says:

      Woops sorry, I should read every post before I make a comment. I did have a chuckle at Satsuma Pride.

    52. Hatuey says:

      Funnily enough, I saw an Orange Walk quite recently. It was hilarious. The women or wives, or whatever, were sort of marching behind in line and guess what… they were all wearing those same little matching outfits that Sturgeon wears.

      Is Sturgeon Orange? She seems to have a lot in common and apparently that neck of the woods she’s from is a sort of hive of Orangeness. And she seems to let Rangers fans away with all sorts. So I heard.

      This is an aspect of Scottish culture that I know very little about. Maybe Alf can throw some light on where it fits in, etc.

    53. Ottomanboi says:

      Unionism = Anglicization
      No Unionism = No Orangeism
      Very simple equations.
      https://labouroutlook.org/2021/07/23/keir-starmers-unionism-keeping-the-orange-flag-flying-here/
      Unionist stock phrase «there are more important issues than that».

    54. robbo says:

      STATEMENT FROM GREATER GLASGOW DIVISIONAL COMMANDER AHEAD OF PROCESSIONS THIS WEEKEND

      Chief Superintendent Mark Sutherland, Divisional Commander of Police Scotland’s Greater Glasgow Police Division said:

      “Police Scotland is a rights-based organisation that puts our values of integrity, fairness, respect and a commitment to upholding human rights at the heart of everything we do.

      “This means we are committed to supporting the human rights of individuals and groups who wish to assemble, balanced against the rights of the wider community and ensuring the safety of everyone involved.

      “We are asking all those attending the County Grand Orange Lodge of Glasgow processions, either as a participant or supporter, to do so safely, responsibly and respectfully. We would urge the large majority who behave in the right way and know there is no place for poor behaviours or hate, to influence those around you to ensure the day is remembered for the right reasons, and passes peacefully.

      “Our large policing operation will be focused on public safety and doing all we can with partners to reduce disruption to the wider community. We will however not tolerate offensive behaviour, including hate crimes, drunkenness and disorder and such behaviours, will be dealt with swiftly and proportionately. Where this is not possible during the event, we will launch follow-up investigations as necessary.

      “We are aware that there may be those who wish to protest on the day against particular locations the processions will pass. We continue to work with these groups to ensure their rights are protected and would again urge everyone to show tolerance, and respect the rights of others.”?

      Aye, except the rights of us to gather at the Scot Par ya fud.

      An orange parade passes St Benedict’s Catholic church in Easterhouse, Glasgow, where a supporters from Call It Out had gathered.

      https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&insightstoken=bcid_RELUmrAQUz0DHLAgw2m52iGbShre…..6s*ccid_QtSasBBT&form=ANCMS1&iss=SBIUPLOADGET&selectedindex=0&id=-1399690356&ccid=QtSasBBT&exph=337&expw=600&vt=2&sim=11

    55. David Caledonia says:

      I was at byres road a few years ago, tried to get across the road to my fav pub there while a band of feck knows who where marching passed
      15 minutes waiting, thought to myself, feck this for a game o sojers, and walked across through a gap in the proceedings, got myself into the pub, sat down and had a little refreshment
      And as far as I was concerned they could march all day long, I was as happy as a pig in shit where I was lol

    56. David Caledonia says:

      I never sing the sash my father wore, or the merry ploughboy until at least 10 bigots have bought me a drink, then I take requests lol

    57. Saffron Robe says:

      Spot on, Chris.

      I’ve never understood how such open displays of sectarianism and hostility can be officially sanctioned. No doubt the fact that they are marching in support of the monarchy, itself a sectarian institution, goes a long way to explaining why they are allowed to commandeer public roads as the “Queen’s highway”.

    58. Republicofscotland says:

      Well put Chris, these bigoted marches are a shame on Scotland, Glasgow city council have shirked their responsibility to halt these marches of hate, and of course Police Scotland has seen officers dance in the streets after Rangers FC won the league, with many police officers in Glasgow and Scotland backing these marches of shame secretly.

      If I or anyone else for that matter organised a band to march through the streets of Glasgow, banging drums and singing songs of hatred aimed at say Muslims or the Jewish community, I’d be arrested and imprisoned and Keith Brown and Ian Livingstone would back my arrest 100%, whereas the 51 bands and over 8,000 Orange Order members flooding Glasgow today playing their offensive tunes and singing their bigoted songs can carry on as though its a normal thing to do.

      The SNP are ardent supporters of equality or so they say, and the HCB is there to stamp out racial hatred, hate crimes and bigotry, yet hatred shown today towards a large section of Scottish society is tolerated by Glasgow city council Police Scotland and the Scottish government.

      How much longer is this hatefest going to be tolerated in Scotland.

    59. Republicofscotland says:

      What even more frustrating about these hatefest marches is that those at the Glasgow city council haven’t even bothered to re-route the marches to stop them passing Catholic places of worship, where the hatefesters often stop to chant vile sectarian remarks, and on least one occasion several years back assault a member of the clergy.

      Think about that for a moment a march sanctioned by the city to sing vile sectarian song and assault respected members of the public.

      Also with the ambulance service and hospitals struggling to reach and treat people in Glasgow, Glasgow Live news is reporting that parts of the city near Glasgow Green has a fleet of ambulances in attendance due to public disturbances, its not a great stretch of the imaginations to say that the O/O marches of hate have played their part in these disturbances, history and experience of living in Glasgow tells me this.

      What kind of country is Scotland of today when we allow sectarianism to run riot via these vile marches.

    60. Geoff Anderson says:

      Remember this from the year we were fighting for Independence.
      “When someone tells you who they are – belief them”

      https://archive.is/mZLJ9

    61. James Che. says:

      Bigotry is pretty obvious more than ever in Scotland,

      Wether it is sectarian, the hate crime bill or locking up or down independence supporters, hate crimes against parents, by telling the children not to talk to their mum and dads

      The biggest bigotry comes from our parliament of decisions.

    62. Fred says:

      As a Roman Catholic growing up in Glasgow, Orange walks were just another part of the changing seasons. One of my earliest memories as a kid was seeing one parade down Saracen Street. Having no clue as to what it was I was completely mesmerised with this blaze of colour and music – it was like the circus had came to town!
      I ended up following it like everyone else. When i went in and told my mum and dad, they just laughed it off.
      Years later we moved to a flat between The District Bar and The Grapes in Govan- both real Orange strongholds and almost every weekend at the end of summer there would be a walk going down Paisley Road West by my house – and then afterwards the participants would head straight to those two pubs.
      Again, we’d just watch it from our living room window laughing at the sights.

      Most of us never took any offence to it, and apart from not being able to cross the street at the time and the all beer cans that were left (which were quickly picked up by the Clenny) no real harm was ever done.

    63. Scott says:

      To all those wetting themselves about the Orange Order marches, while stuck indoors, can I point out that it’s the pavement marchers that are the disruptive elements…ie non-members. Many of whom have little or no understanding of what the OO actually is.

      [The old ‘green yin for a fenian’ trope never stood up to scrutiny, as green is the highest ‘Colour’ of the Orange Order]

      I have friends who are members and nicer, kinder men you couldn’t wish to meet. They acknowledge that the hangers-on are a problem, but there’s not a lot the LOL can do about them.

    64. Pixywine says:

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/psyK7NtzYBZL/
      Another insight into the minds of oppressive Government.

    65. robbo says:

      Scott says:
      18 September, 2021 at 1:56 pm
      To all those wetting themselves about the Orange Order marches, while stuck indoors, can I point out that it’s the pavement marchers that are the disruptive elements…ie non-members. Many of whom have little or no understanding of what the OO actually is.

      [The old ‘green yin for a fenian’ trope never stood up to scrutiny, as green is the highest ‘Colour’ of the Orange Order]

      I have friends who are members and nicer, kinder men you couldn’t wish to meet. They acknowledge that the hangers-on are a problem, but there’s not a lot the LOL can do about them.

      ————-

      Nonsense

    66. Alf Baird says:

      susanXX says:
      18 September, 2021 at 10:40 am
      The part of history I find funny is that the Orange Lodge was set up to instil Anglicanism and originally Presbyterians were almost as hated as Catholics. On a serious note, this foul organisation should be banned as having no place in a modern Scotland.

    67. James Che. says:

      Now if I mind correctly, this idea originated within Ruthy ermine turncoat coat.
      She tried stirring up the divide on religion an oo in Scotland to attack independence supportors.

      Now old nick copy catting the same ole divides, she must be feeling left out an wanting an ermine turncoat provide by England’s best tailoreses too.

      Curtailing the Scots.

      She certainly is owed one for her expertise in using dodgy made up laws only against those whom support independence, the Scots,

    68. Alf Baird says:

      susanXX @ 10:40 am

      “The part of history I find funny is that the Orange Lodge was set up to instil Anglicanism and originally Presbyterians were almost as hated as Catholics. On a serious note, this foul organisation should be banned as having no place in a modern Scotland.”

      These marches appear to be primarily about celebrating colonialism in Scotland and N.Ireland, which implies they would probably have no place in an independent Scotland.

      On the matter of freeports, Scotland’s real ports/trade challenge is our obsolete outdated major seaports on Forth, Clyde and Tay which are owned and regulated by offshore private equity groups. There is a paper on this here: http://reidfoundation.org/2016/01/sort-out-our-ports/

    69. Garavelli Princip says:

      Well, at least it’s good to know that wee Nikla will not be troubled by the great Orange unwashed either at Holyrood, or any of her homes, whether Bute House, or her private residences in Broomhouse, or her weekend ‘retreat’ (sans wee pochlin Pete) at Gleneagles!

    70. Ottomanboi says:

      This species of third worldish religious sectarianism, however benign it may appear on the surface to some, is capable of growing into something more «disruptive». It is natural for people of different so called traditions to want to live in harmony with their neighbours. That was the case in prépartition India, Egypt before Nasser, pre breakup Yougoslavia, Ottoman Iraq etc.
      Introduce a «grievance» and friends can become enemies with fatal consequences.
      The case of the Jewish population of Arabic speaking countries is a matter of toleration turned by politics into intolerance. Tha assimilated, loyal Jews of prenazi Germany another example.
      To be facile, Scotland has been Catholic longer than it has been Protestant; official start 1560. Some versions of Scottish history, the Unionist story, would lead you to believe that the arrival of French Calvinism was the beginning of the authentic, enlightened Scotland. It did leverage the union with England so it was truly a good thing.
      .

    71. James Che. says:

      As I said my fathers friends came from Glasgow for fishing weekends, different faiths, different views but never a serious argument between them.

      I find it interesting that it is politicians, governments and councils feeding and instilling the hate crime,

      If you didn’t know any better etc………….

    72. Scott says:

      robbo says:
      18 September, 2021 at 2:49 pm

      Nonsense

      Which part do regard as nonsense?

    73. James Che. says:

      Liz, I don’t think that was the purpose of the hate crime bill, as it sets about creating more problems than solving them,
      And ends up with more Scottish people being charged than in the rest of Britain. 😉

    74. Republicofscotland says:

      “To all those wetting themselves about the Orange Order marches, while stuck indoors, can I point out that it’s the pavement marchers that are the disruptive elements”

      Scott.

      Don’t talk your shite in here, it wasn’t that long ago a woman was assaulted by vile O/O band members, her crime trying to cross the road.

      I suppose a O/O supporter like yourself is quite happy to see the unions vile jackbooted soldiers stop outside chapels in Glasgow to bang out load their hate filled tunes.

      At least on one occasion due to the band stopping at a chapel the detritus that follows the hatefest assaulted a member of the clergy. No hatefest no detritus.

      Ban the hatefest marches and the detritus that follows them which causes mayhem will scatter for good.

    75. Republicofscotland says:

      An interesting read on the O/O, and what it stands for, it certainly isn’t for the benefit of Scotland that’s for sure.

      “Orangeism was imported into Scotland as a handy instrument of colonial rule. Its function, by 1821 – the year of the first Orange march in Scotland, was as much to replace among Scots Protestants their sense of Scottishness with that of Britishness as it was to remove the possibility of rebellious collaboration between Protestants and Catholics – an alliance which almost cost the British state Ireland in 1798.”

      https://randompublicjournal.com/2019/07/09/time-to-ban-the-orange-order/

    76. The Grand Orange Lodge of British America was established in Toronto in 1830, and it expanded steadily so that there were over 20 lodges in 1860, 31 in 1880, and 56 by 1895.

      At the turn of the century Toronto was nicknamed “The Belfast of Canada”.

      “Ascendancy,” or control of this legal and political machinery, gave the Orange Order a monopoly on the use of “legitimate” violence.

      Between 1839 and 1866, the Orange Order was involved in 29 riots in Toronto, of which 16 had direct political inspiration.

    77. Scott says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      18 September, 2021 at 4:09 pm

      Scott.

      Don’t talk your shite in here, it wasn’t that long ago a woman was assaulted by vile O/O band members, her crime trying to cross the road.


      One got the jail for 4 months, not sure about the other. (I’d imagine they’ll have been ‘blackballed’ by the OO for breaking ranks)

      I’m glad that you go on to acknowledge that is is the pavement marchers or “detritus” that misappropriate the marches for “hatefest” purposes.

      I’m not a supporter of any religion-based organisation, the whole notion of religion is bizarre to me.

      I’m not a supporter of ‘secret societies’ either, which is why I never put myself forward for “the Craft” and ended my refereeing career immediately after topping my qualifying group.

      I am a supporter of the right to lawfully march on the streets of Glasgow or any other streets in Scotland.

      The guy who spat on the priest got the jail for 10 months.

      The police did their job, as did the justiciary.

    78. Republicofscotland says:

      This is Alf Baird’s colonialism at work as our schools teach our children about England and English history, and this is the idiot that’s allowing our country and our history to be replaced by that of South of the Borders. Yet I bet there’s many Scots who aren’t even aware this is happening.

      https://archive.is/Fb1hg

      https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/cabinet-secretary-education-skills/

    79. twathater says:

      The PATHETIC and disturbing thing about all this is Manny Singh was JAILED for months for organising a indy March in Glasgow with 100,000 people marching and NOT one charge brought against anyone taking part ,the police even commented it was all good natured and well behaved

      Manny’s crime was to start the march 2 hours later than instructed due to people coming from across Scotland and elsewhere , it was SNP councillors who insisted he be charged

      Yet here we have a MAJOR DISRUPTIVE rally where people from all over will be coming to sing and play hated bigoted chants yet the same SNP councillors are NOT insisting anyone be charged , hmmmm it makes you think

    80. Republicofscotland says:

      “I’m not a supporter of any religion-based organisation, the whole notion of religion is bizarre to me.”

      Oh right Scott, I suppose you thought it would be nice just to play devils advocate for the vile sectarian flute bands, what next Scott, will you play devils advocate for Klu Klux Klan.

      The O/O no matter what way you cut Scott is a sectarian outfit, which breeds violence, it has no place in a modern day Scotland.

    81. Scott says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      18 September, 2021 at 4:42 pm

      I’m not playing “devils advocate” (sic).

      Orange Order is Freemasonry for Protestants.

    82. Republicofscotland says:

      “Orange Order is Freemasonry for Protestants.”

      Scott.

      Try reading my link at 4.16pm to see what the O/O’s real modus operandi is, why they were founded in the first place.

      As for their right to march.

      Well, if they were marching to free Palestine or to aid the WASPI women, or for world peace etc, then fair enough, but they are not.

      They are a sectarian outfit blasting out vile bigoted tunes that are offensive to a fair number of folk in Scottish society.

      The Orange Order marches must be banned permanently.

    83. Ruby says:

      Scott says:

      I am a supporter of the right to lawfully march on the streets of Glasgow or any other streets in Scotland.

      Reply

      Why? What purpose do they serve?

    84. Jim Jones says:

      Hello. Is there a campaign to reverse the new ferries short-listing decision?

    85. Republicofscotland says:

      This from the head bigot at the O/O.

      “THE HEAD of Scotland’s Orange Order has said he “doesn’t see sectarianism” in Scotland ahead of the parades due to take place in Glasgow tomorrow”

      And this from a top cop whose served in NI, now in Scotland and seen sectarianism up close.

      “Deputy Chief Constable Will Kerr, who worked in Northern Ireland for 27 years, revealed it is time for Scotland to take heed of the problem.”

      The Orange Order must be banned.

    86. Scott says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      18 September, 2021 at 5:16 pm

      Scott.

      Try reading my link at 4.16pm

      I’ll pass.

      Your comment at 1:23 pm about “a march sanctioned by the city to sing vile sectarian song” suggests your comprehension is already distorted.

      Tunes are just that. Lyrics to songs can be changed…

      eg

      ‘It is old and it is beautiful, and its colours they are fine.
      But it’s not what you are thinking of, it’s Buckfast Tonic Wine’

      Sung to the same tune as ‘The Sash My Father Wore’

    87. Ottomanboi says:

      As a Catholic, Syriac rite, I would be the last to deny the Protestant Christian the right to express his/her point of view. I would prefer to have it served up, in this case, with less of the sullen, triumphalist tropes.
      Live and let live is I believe a Scottish axiom. Might we not try it?

    88. Ruby says:

      Would an anti-Muslim organisation be permitted to take to the streets if they claimed they were celebrating the 1492 Battle of Granada?

    89. Breeks says:

      Could be very topical…

      https://twitter.com/Scotpol1314/status/1439234513327038470

      Prof. Alf Baird is on Scottish Prism tomorrow… 😉

    90. Cenchos says:

      I wonder what further made-up accusations of ‘vile’ hate crime Joanna Cherry is about to have made against her.

    91. Republicofscotland says:

      “Your comment at 1:23 pm about “a march sanctioned by the city to sing vile sectarian song” suggests your comprehension is already distorted”

      Scott.

      Really?

      My thinking I’d say is inline with at least half of Scots on the O/O, so if anyone’s view is distorted its yours.

    92. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ottomaboi 5.50 pm

      I think many Scots would echo the sentiment that the default position should be that (without being too Voltairean about it) people should be allowed to march and protest, even if they are doing so in support of something we may personally disagree with or even find objectionable.

      I suppose *most* people would agree that the right shouldn’t be unlimited or automatic though right? It seems reasonable that “legal” organisations should be allowed to express their views, so unless they are proscribed as terrorist organisations, or promoting violence, most reasonable folk would likely echo you “live and let live” sentiment.

      However, where an organisation insists that it has a traditional right to march wherever it pleases (even with an obvious intention to provoke), or sing/play whatever tunes and music whatever the connotations, it also not unreasonable to place limits on their freedom to do so and insist the route of marches be changed for example.

      The issue in Scotland is that for too long the Orange Order has been (and has been seen to be) untouchable, and could do more or less whatever it wanted in a way which would not have been tolerated for other organisations. The fact that it has a long history, or is traditional or part of “loyalist: culture is in the end neither here nor there. The LoL is a nest of sectarian bigotry: it may be disproportionate to actually ban it as an organisation, but it should be about as socially acceptable as the KKK or British National Party.

    93. Ruby says:

      Cenchos says:
      18 September, 2021 at 5:58 pm
      I wonder what further made-up accusations of ‘vile’ hate crime Joanna Cherry is about to have made against her.

      Reply

      https://archive.is/5ZkT5

      “SNP will try to oust me, says Joanna Cherry”
      “I suspect I won’t be a member of parliament for much longer but while I am I will still try to be an independent and thoughtful voice.

      Arrested for protesting at Holyrood & given a 12 month jail sentence?

      The possible ways she could be stitched up are endless.

    94. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 5.56 pm

      Wouldn’t Muslims be celebrating a victory rather than a defeat?

      Perhaps the Battle of Guadalete in 711 AD rather than the Battle of the Boyne? 🙂

    95. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      18 September, 2021 at 6:10 pm
      @Ruby 5.56 pm

      Wouldn’t Muslims be celebrating a victory rather than a defeat?

      Perhaps the Battle of Guadalete in 711 AD rather than the Battle of the Boyne? ?

      Reply
      What?

      The Muslims were defeated in 1492 by The Catholic Kings Isabella & Ferdinand.

      They had to become Catholic or go into hiding from ‘The Spanish Inquisition’

    96. Scott says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      18 September, 2021 at 6:04 pm

      I think many Scots would…

      I suppose *most* people would…

      Andy is so unloved that he speaks on behalf of all the mainstream straw-men he can create, knowing each individual can be burned at the stake if they display any empathy towards the red-under-the-bed army of moonhowling, racist, anti-vax, not-educated-to-doctorate-level tubthumpers.

      Stand on your own two feet, Andy, and give us YOUR opinions on matters, without tacking them onto the views of others.

    97. John McNab says:

      John Jones says:
      18 September, 2021 at 9:03 am
      Still can’t understand why anyone commemorates, in Scotland, a battle between a Dutchman and an Englishman in Ireland 331 years ago.

      Probably for the same, or similar, reasons, that a certain constituency continues to commemorate a skirmish in a series of same carried out on behalf of a Norman/Scots usurper, murderer, turncoat and seller of sovereignty, in pursuance of his dynastic claims to achieving the crown and overlordship of these islands, that took place in Scotland 707 years ago.

    98. Ruby says:

      Ruby says:
      18 September, 2021 at 6:19 pm
      Andy Ellis says:
      18 September, 2021 at 6:10 pm
      @Ruby 5.56 pm

      Wouldn’t Muslims be celebrating a victory rather than a defeat?

      Perhaps the Battle of Guadalete in 711 AD rather than the Battle of the Boyne? ?

      Reply

      They would be celebrating that for the next 800 Years
      until they were finally defeated in Granada in 1492.

    99. John McNab says:

      Geoff Anderson at 9.51am.

      If you had what could be termed a reasonable understanding of both British history and history in Britain, you would know why the Act of Union of 1707 has such provisions in it, given the context of the times. It wasn’t put there just to torture your febrile, petit bourgeois sensibilities 314 years after the event. Daftie.

    100. Andy Ellis says:

      @Scott 6.23 pm

      Those are my opinions. It shouldn’t be hard even for someone as low voltage as you to see that.

      Anyway, my Mammy loves me, and a few others thankfully.

      They all think you’re a twat tho’.

    101. Scott says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      18 September, 2021 at 6:49 pm

      @Scott 6.23 pm

      Anyway, my Mammy loves me, and a few others thankfully.

      They all think you’re a twat tho’.

      —-

      Did your Mammy and a few others tell you they think I’m a twat when you asked them if they loved you, or was it some other time in the recent past?

      What reasons did they give? (1. For loving you and 2. For thinking I’m a twat)

    102. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Geoff Anderson at 10:46 am.

      You typed,
      “Sturgeons Scotland
      https://archive.is/OCgvn

      That March 2019 article you linked to has a stunning example of the rank hypocrisy and re-writing of truth that Sturgeon’s inner coven think they have a licence to get away with.

      First quote from it:-
      “Last week, social security secretary Shirley-Anne Somerville confirmed that Westminster will retain partial control of 11 benefits for the next five years – as the new Scottish social security system is not yet equipped to handle them.”

      The second quote from the last paragraph of the article:-
      “Ms Somerville responded:
      [snip]
      “SDA is closely interlinked with the pension system and, given that remains reserved to the UK government, establishing a separate payment system would put claimants at risk. This is another example of why it would be easier to have full responsibility for the social security system, rather than having to work with the complex and often dated systems in place in the UK government.””

      So, MS Somerville refused to accept 11 powers coming to Holyrood from Westminster, because “the new Scottish social security system is not yet equipped to handle them.”

      She then has the brass neck to proclaim, “This is another example of why it would be easier to have full responsibility for the social security system, rather than having to work with the complex and often dated systems in place in the UK government.”

      Seems she wanted the cake but didn’t want to have a slice! Knives are dangerous, after all. Long knives are even more dangerous.

      It’s time the ordinary (non-coven) members of the SNP ‘woke’ up to what their party has become – because they’ve let it! It’s high time for an SNP version of “night of the long knives”, driven by the members.

    103. Ottomanboi says:

      AndyEllis.
      I actually do agree with Voltaire, educated by Jesuits, in this particular. Bring it on, let us discourse. That is surely what rational human beings do, is it not?
      Were «the world» more accepting of such intellectual diversity, rather than the current one which seems all about sex, «ethnicity» and identitarian virtue signalling we might get along so much better.
      Being brought face to face with those of a different opinion is good for the soul and the intellect.
      We have nothing to lose but our prejudices.

    104. Geoff Anderson says:

      @john mcnab

      How is larkhall these days?

      You missed the entire point of the reference. The history at the time was at the heart of it.
      What part of Divid and Rule can you not grasp?
      You probably think the Plantation was generous gift to reward your relatives.

    105. Colin Alexander says:

      The Orange Order are the bampot bigot decoys. Useful tools. A sectarian parody of the Freemasons.

      Much of the economic, judicial and political power in Scotland is exercised by Freemasons and their Eastern Star female compatriots.

      That’s how even Humza Yousaf got nowhere in his complaints against a Freemason.

    106. Andy Ellis says:

      @Brian 7.29 pm

      Don’t we have to assume that by this stage the only ones still in the SNP are either fully paid up cultists or those who just don’t give a shit?

      I don’t think they can feign ignorance at this stage.

    107. Geoff Anderson says:

      Ruby@6:10pm

      I think they would be making a major mistake in deselecting Joanna. She could stand anywhere and gain support across all parties

    108. robbo says:

      Scott says:
      18 September, 2021 at 3:19 pm
      robbo says:
      18 September, 2021 at 2:49 pm

      Nonsense

      Which part do regard as nonsense?

      ——————
      All of it.

      If you think these lot are just one day bigots then you’re seriously delusional.

      If you think that green is the highest colour in the Orange order then you just shows how ill-informed you are. Even a quick google search could actually tell you that.

      Seems someone in your order has been pulling yir plonker!

    109. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Dan says: 18 September, 2021 at 7:37 pm

      “@ BDtt

      And a little more info on SAS.

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/soapbox-the-invisible-woman/

      That “soapbox” by Sarah-Jane Donaldson, neatly summarises SAS’s spectacular rise to failure.

    110. Elizabeth Hagan says:

      Scotland’s Shame.

    111. ben madigan says:

      excellent cartoon Chris – very sharp indeed.

      Competing rights underlie the issue of the sectarian OO marches.

      OO marches will continue until the Scottish govt and/or Councils decide the rights of citizens who do not support the OO to use the streets and businesses for their normal law-abiding activities (walking,jogging, cycling, driving, riding the bus,eating and drinking,shopping etc) outweigh the right of the sectarian OO to monopolise the streets with their marchers,bands and supporters.

      Alternatives to outright banning of OO marches include a)re-routing them to isolated, rarely used mountain roads, beaches, disused industrial areas etc and b) confining them to a venue e.g. a stadium with ticketed entrance for supporters

    112. Effigy says:

      The Grand Master of the Orange Order has
      Banned all Digital watches from their memorial halls.

      It seems you can’t set them to 16:90?

      The police are supposed to catch criminals red handed.

      The OI need squeezed until the pips squeak!

    113. Ruby says:

      Geoff Anderson says:
      18 September, 2021 at 7:44 pm
      Ruby@6:10pm

      I think they would be making a major mistake in deselecting Joanna. She could stand anywhere and gain support across all parties

      Reply

      They have already made a few major mistakes re Joanna.
      I would prefer to see her join Alba or stand as an independent. I won’t be voting SNP again.

    114. susanXX says:

      I won’t be voting SNP again either.

    115. Dan says:

      OT
      Crikey, those algorithm programmers are getting way too good with their suggestions based on what you previously watched!
      6 seconds of retro Bo’ Selecta.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2rnD4GSS8U

    116. Ingenious says:

      Always wonder if OO members know or care that the Pope supported King Billy at the Battle of the Boyle?

    117. Benhope says:

      So The Pope supported King Billy at the Battle of The Boyle. I wonder when and where that battle took place? Can`t resist a little bit of pedantry!!

    118. Hatuey says:

      Interesting that amidst all the anti-Orange stuff nobody is defending their right to walk and celebrate. When you start advocating banning things like this, what you are actually advocating is the idea that the government should get decide what causes are worthy and what aren’t, and that’s a dangerous road to go down.

      The truth is I have no idea what these Orange people are celebrating in any specific sense — something to do with catholics and ancient battles. There’s no obvious reason why anyone should be offended by them doing that, assuming it’s done peacefully.

      What I think people are really offended by when they oppose Orange Walks is the claim and assumption of superiority at the heart of their organisational ethos. But that’s something you’ll find is common to all organisations and groups that aggressively celebrate culture.

      Anyway, opposing them and criticising them just seems to encourage them. It sort of validates their existence and gives them a special kind of acknowledgment and attention. It doesn’t work. Maybe everybody should try applauding them or something. I bet they’d stop if we did that.

    119. Breeks says:

      https://twitter.com/AUOBNOW/status/1436992072960155650

      Edinburgh. Saturday coming.

      Coming Saturday?

      Bring a friend.

    120. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      The problem with the Orange Order is they have no LGBTQZWOKEOK people in their club.

      If they did, then Sturgeon The Betrayer would likely go easy on the Tango themed flute-tooters and drum-bangers.

      Just look how the favoured Number 1 Nicola Fan-Club Member Janey Godley got SAVED by Sturgeon from being thrown under a bus and becoming Excomunicado Omnibus illegitium.

      Perish the thought at Janey becoming 12 feet tall and two inches thick as the number 62 bus from the Turdgeonator’s Govan office MIGHT have been dispatched to squash off another enemy of La Nick.

      Janey Godley was quite a good comedian at the start, but like so many in the Sturgeon Nasty Party, the comedian Godley ignored the faults and sins of Sturgeon. Especially during Sturgeon’s gerrymandered McWoke efforts to have her friend and mentor, Alex Salmond jailed for life on trumped up sex charges.

      For those unaware of Sturgeon’s “besty” pal in the supremely ironic position of being CANCELLED by the McWoke lobby, here is the fucking ironic stushie…

      https://archive.is/rcitJ


      One day soon, Sturgeon’s reputation will get cancelled after the truth eventually comes out.

      IF McWoke Karma can squash Godley’s Sturgeon-worship career, then please bring on the day when the Dreghorn Dirker FINALLY gets the place in Scottish history that awaits her.

      History will NOT be kind to Nicola Ferguson Sturgeon Murrell. She has taken the Westminster thirty pieces of silver to sell Scotland’s political soul for her own self-aggrandisement.

    121. John McNab says:

      Geoff Anderson at 7.33pm

      What makes you assume I’m in Larkhall? You wouldn’t just have let your bigoted slip show just a little by any chance, would you?

      “History at the time” Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Just as a matter of interest, how far down the order of succession are you?

    122. robbo says:

      Benhope says:
      19 September, 2021 at 1:29 am
      So The Pope supported King Billy at the Battle of The Boyle. I wonder when and where that battle took place? Can`t resist a little bit of pedantry!!

      ———–

      Well Benhope

      Could be a fair assumption -who knows? A lot of researchers, historians and academics seem to think so.
      See we don’t really have the time to search for books, search library’s and other historical records these days as most of us are lazy. Most of it has already been done on certain subjects- in particular this horrifying time in history.

      The Pope( of the time) and King Billy did have a equivalent enemy, so it suited them both. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that eh!

      Lots of stuff to read through, no need for you to go to Ibrox today! Then you can let your pals know and watch their heads EXPLODE!

      http://www.bing.com/search?q=the+pope+role+in+battle+of+the+boyne+king+billy&cvid=bb60ebf77b23437784f49b8712fbbeb4&aqs=edge..69i57.19696j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531

    123. Socrates MacSporran says:

      I am old enough to remember the Miners’ Raws which littered “God’s Orange County” of Ayrshire when I was a boy. Crude, draughty two-roomed cottages, with a scullery at the back, and an outside toilet.

      The local coal company: William Baird & Co, later Baird and Dalmellington, considered these sufficient to house their workers. Most but not all were Protestants.

      I witnessed first hand the demolition of the rows and the inhabitants’ being decanted to the new Council schemes nearby. As I matured, I used to laugh at the absurdity of the men and women from these rows and schemes, spending each marching season exercising their right to march the Queen’s Highway, in support of the principle of the United Kingdom being ruled by a hereditary Protestant monarch.

      They were Protestants, they supported the Royal Family, therefore they were better than the Roman Catholics who were ruled over by a wee Italian man in Rome.

      The fact that the staunch Protestantwho lived in number 18, and worked at the coal face down the local pit, was in exactly the same situation as the devout Roman Catholic, who lived in number 19 and worked at thes same coal face, never seemed to occur to these staunch marchers.

      The ludge is just another means of keeping down the working class, and they are still falling for the con.

      By the way, the Royal Family is represented in the hierarchy of the Grand Masonic Lodge of England. Various Royals have taken their turn to be the Heid Bummer there – you will not find a link between the Protestant, Royals-supporting Orange Order and the Royal Family.

    124. Ruby says:

      Hatuey says:
      19 September, 2021 at 2:59 am
      Interesting that amidst all the anti-Orange stuff nobody is defending their right to walk and celebrate. When you start advocating banning things like this, what you are actually advocating is the idea that the government should get decide what causes are worthy and what aren’t, and that’s a dangerous road to go down.

      Reply

      Do the government not already decide ‘what causes are worthy and what aren’t’
      Is that not what the Hate Crime Bill is all about?

      Before I could defend their right to ‘walk & celebrate’ on public roads I would need to know the following:

      the real purpose of the march
      what it costs the taxpayer
      how often the roads can be closed to allow people to ‘walk & celebrate’
      could roads be closed for ‘hen/birthday/retirement/anniversary parties’ to allow them to ‘walk & celebrate’

      Any reason why the ‘walking & celebrating’ cannot be done in private with the costs being covered by those who want to ‘walk & celebrate’. There are many halls available for hire.

    125. Ruby says:

      Am I correct in thinking that there are two types of marches

      1. Walking & Celebrating
      2. Walking & Protesting

      ‘Walking & Celebrating’ covered in earlier post.

      ‘Walking & Protesting’

      Sadly I believe that is a huge waste of time because nobody listens.
      ie Iraq War March.

      Have the AUOB marches brought us any closer to getting a referendum?

      Time for a major re-think re protests.

    126. Geoff Anderson says:

      Strange how the stories of Pope Innocent X1 Innocents involvement in the Battle came after his death on 12 August 1689.
      The change from Julian to Gregorian calendars accounts for 12 days not months.
      Pope Alexander V111 was not elected until Feb 1690.

      We have often had two Popes as European King (especially France) wanted a Pope who they could control.

      I doubt very much that the Machiavellian behaviour of all those involved ever became known. It is far more likely the spin was added later to aid whatever political struggle was taking place then.

      I see little difference between the Battle of the Boyne and the Great War – The Few gain Power and the Many suffer.

      The Battle of Aughrim was fought on 12 July 1691 which is the probable cause of date confusion. (Along with calendar change)The Battle of the Boyne was 30th. June to 1st. July.

      History is written by the victors!

    127. Ruby says:

      Why no counter protests to Orange Walk?

      Is it too dangerous?

    128. Luigi says:

      Ruby says:
      19 September, 2021 at 9:09 am
      Why no counter protests to Orange Walk?

      Is it too dangerous?

      That’s exactly what they want us to do, Ruby. They want everyone tarred with the same brush. Why get involved in a brawl when we can punch clever? My advice is steer well clear when the clowns are in town, let them condemn themselves by their actions. No need to lower ourselves to that level. The British Establishment would love it. That’s what they are hoping for – divide and conquer,an old imperial technique. Rise above it, find something else to do that day and stay safe. Peaceful protest by all means, but peaceful means avoiding confrontation with the dancing monkeys. Our targets are the organ grinders, the establishment. By refusing to participate, we win. Big time.

    129. Ruby says:

      Ruby says:
      19 September, 2021 at 9:09 am
      Why no counter protests to Orange Walk?

      Is it too dangerous?

      That’s exactly what they want us to do, Ruby. They want everyone tarred with the same brush. Why get involved in a brawl when we can punch clever? My advice is steer well clear when the clowns are in town, let them condemn themselves by their actions. No need to lower ourselves to that level. The British Establishment would love it. That’s what they are hoping for – divide and conquer,an old imperial technique. Rise above it, find something else to do that day and stay safe. Peaceful protest by all means, but peaceful means avoiding confrontation with the dancing monkeys. Our targets are the organ grinders, the establishment. By refusing to participate, we win. Big time.

      Reply

      But then ‘we’ participate when the SDL march or when Border Control come to arrest two illegal immigrants.

      https://archive.is/0YeLc
      Iain Macwhirter: If the English are so progressive, as Gordon Brown says, why do they vote Tory?

      Iain MacWhirter says

      ‘What motivates people on Twitter is LGBT, BLM and a vague commitment to social justice that stops well short of Marxism or any kind of class politics.”

      Could the reason for no counter protests in the same way there are for SDL marches etc is because it has nothing to do with LGBT & BLM?

    130. Ruby says:

      Shouldn’t we be calling the ‘Orange Lodge’ a racist organisation?

      Surely Catholics are classed as a race in the same way as British Muslims?

    131. Sensibledave says:

      Breeks says: 9:37 am

      You wrote “English colonialism will take away your home and expect you to be grateful when it gives you a blanket”.

      Back to this sort of bull s**t victimhood Breeks?

      Once again, for those who wish to completely ignore the will of voters in Scotland. There as a referendum. No won.

    132. John Main says:

      Seems to me that there is a large-ish group of organised and committed people in Scotland who can mobilise thousands and maybes tens of thousands of people to march, mostly peacefully, in support and commemoration of their beliefs.

      Seems to me that the authorities recognise and respect the determination of the marchers and realise that the event will happen regardless. So the authorities bow to the inevitable and cooperate.

      Seems to me that most of the bile and resentment BTL here is due to the recognition that right now, the Indy movement can’t get its act together, or the numbers together, to do the same.

    133. Dan says:

      Sensibledave says : at 10:09am on 19 September, 2015

      Once again, for those who wish to completely ignore the will of voters in Scotland. There as a referendum. No won.

      Eh, please let me know your address and I’ll send you a new battery, as it appears your watch stopped 5 years ago.

    134. robbo says:

      Socrates MacSporran says:
      19 September, 2021 at 8:22 am
      I am old enough to remember the Miners’ Raws which littered “God’s Orange County” of Ayrshire when I was a boy. Crude, draughty two-roomed cottages, with a scullery at the back, and an outside toilet.
      The local coal company: William Baird & Co, later Baird and Dalmellington, considered these sufficient to house their workers. Most but not all were Protestants.
      ————-

      Aye me tae. Remember the area well. Great place to be brought up, though some did get dragged up with the sash my father wore slogan hence their ignorance.

      We may have crossed paths in our youth Socrates you never know. It’s a small world.

    135. James Che. says:

      I was raised with no religion or faith,

      But my parents believed in a god/ creator,

      They left all their children the free choice to investigate religion when they were older in age and wisdom.

      This is one of the wisest wisdoms of parenting for children,

      For what I learned,

      religion of different faiths in varying countries have caused the loss of millions of lives through the centuries,
      For one side to be prejudiced against another, for one country to attack another’s.

      WIsdom is far away when blinded by a belief of religion, rather than god.

      Those in power use it as a tool, as a excuse, as a reason, to control and to gain wealth,
      Churches of all faiths usually end up owning land, gold, silver, and people.
      They usually end up as part of a governments decisions.

      This has been included in wars, chosen monarchies and in the treaty of the union Acts.
      In the declaration of Arbroath which in this case just happened to fall in favour of the Scots, but could have gone either way,

      Religion has to much power, while God/ or the creator has to take a back seat.
      I doubt very much wether God believed in religion per se.
      For he did not believe in gathering riches or killing ones neighbours..
      Religion is the scourge of the upper echelon in society and has the purpose of controlling people..

      This is how the British government has worked for centuries.

    136. Breeks says:

      https://www.barrheadboy.com/no-you-wont/

      Aye, well said.

      I don’t think the SNP under Sturgeon has the winning of anything in it’s grasp. They only “won” the last Scottish Elections by selling one toxic mandate under the flag of a popular one, and pretty much got away with it unchallenged. I don’t believe that will happen again.

      When ALBA rises and takes command of the Independence narrative, the SNP will vanish like thieves in the night. They know they’re chancers, and they’ll run the moment there’s a prospect of exposure to meaningful scrutiny.

      They’ll maybe hing on while “redaction”, rigged committees and Unionist Media shores up their shabby house of cards, but when selective amnesia and “wusnae me”, “ah wusnae there”, distain for scrutiny no longer cut’s the mustard, there’ll be no more corners to hide in.

      I have never felt such impatience for ALBA to rise to it’s feet and enter the fray properly.

      Sic a Parcel O’ Rogues in Bute Hoose. Nae wonder they’re running feart of protest. Which public house basement do you think we’ll find Sturgeon hiding in? Deacon Brodie’s mibees? Respectable citizen by day, but a drunken, gambling, thieving rogue by night…

    137. David Caledonia says:

      We do not need history lessons here about popes and fecking battles of the whatever
      I am sure most people can research anything they are not familiar with, I know I can

      Thank you !

    138. Cenchos says:

      The entity which is greatly responsible for validating and emboldening the sentiments of Orangeism in Scotland is Rangers FC. To do anything about Orangeism in Scotland, you’d have to do something about Rangers, like persuading/forcing them to invoke a constitution which overtly rejects Orangeism, by name, sentiment and association.

      There is no real political will from anyone at all in Scotland to even try such a thing. Any political discussion about the subject is just so much tap-dancing round the elephant.

    139. Republicofscotland says:

      Of course these yearly vile sectarian parades, that shame our country, aren’t just based on anti-Catholicism, no, the nefarious O/O marches are also held to reinforce unionism, and to keep our societies in Scotland divided, a divided people are far more easily controlled than a united one.

      The sectarian O/O are also there to promote Britishness, and supplant Scottishness within our communities, it worked very well in NI, and its working well in Scotland. The people that march in these odious parades and the people that follow them, well most of them, are completely unaware that they are enhancing a foreign countries position of rule over their own country Scotland by extolling the virtues of Britishness, as though somehow its better to be British than Scottish, and its definitely better to be a Protestant than a Catholic, which of course as I’ve already said it one of their main goals of keeping the people of Scotland divided.

      Yes the O/O in Scotland are useful idiots for the union, and as long as they are allowed to keep on spewing their divisive hate filled ideology in Scotland, then Scots will remain divided, with an us against them mentality, similar to that of NI, its a Westminster tool that has worked well, keep them fighting amongst themselves whilst we rule them and asset strip. Of course this only works if there a unionist gatekeepers in Scotland, their job is to make sure the O/O keeps on marching no matter the violence or costs to the people of Scotland.

      Orange Order band marches must be banned if progress is to be made to heal the sectarian divide in Scotland.

    140. David Caledonia says:

      Religion has never killed anyone, religion cannot kill anyone because it does not exist as an entity
      I have always thought of religion as a thing for good, if it is used for anything other than good, then you have to put the blame for that where is belongs

      Human Beings……………. simple as that

    141. David Caledonia says:

      my eyesight is getting worse, where is belongs, mmmm

    142. Ottomanboi says:

      RUBY
      There is no more a Catholic «race» than there is a Muslim one. Both are not tied down to ethnicity or nation or culture they are cosmopolitan. It is sometimes that aspect that accounts for prejudice on the pretext of not like us, not fitting in, not loyal, too different to trust.
      The way to weaken a country is to exploit divisions. The British state in its fear of Catholicism by the «back doors» of Ireland and Scotland did an excellent job manipulating the forces of societal division in both. Unionism is fundamentally concerned with retaining the Protestant identity of the state from monarchy down. The quasi religious trappings of Orange parades, «icons» of William of Orange, holy relic symbols of a pure Protestant monarchy set against the continental Catholics and their underhand and subversive Jesuitical knavish tricks strikes a visceral chord even with those who would never march or darken the door of a kirk.
      It has been pointed out that one of the drivers of Brexit in England was a distrust of the European union enterprise as a alien «Catholic» idea. The British, having had an empire functioning on Protestant values, however subliminal, did not need this papistical novelty.
      There really is no getting away from the hypothesis that without the exceptionalist feed from the British state Orangeism would wither and die.

    143. David Caledonia says:

      Dundee United and Celtic a little 10 quid double for me, just for and interest

      United game kicks off at midday, if they dont win the game I might have a bit more on celtic in a single at 4/9 on at 3pm

    144. Fred says:

      Quite interesting the amount of contributors from outside of Glasgow and the West who think they know what’s best for us here.

      I don’t buy into all the Colonialism stuff that’s being debated just now, but i do see parallels when people judge other people’s culture as barbaric only as a direct result of having little understanding or exposure as to why particular things are the way they are.
      British did the same with the Hindu’s in India.

      I wrote yesterday that as a Roman Catholic who’s been exposed to the Orange Order and their walks all my life that i didn’t have an issue with it. I can’t speak for the entire RC community here, but i can truthfully tell you that no one i’ve ever talked to or debated with within the church or RC school system has thought it that much of an issue that ‘something needs to be done’.
      If anything, it gives us Catholics the opportunity to do what we should be doing (forgiveness, turn the other cheek and all that) whilst also maintaining our dignity and keeping the morale high ground.

      Catholics, in particular, moved to prominence within Glasgow District Council years ago. It used to be a standing joke that you couldn’t get on the council unless you were one. So, what i’m saying is, if we wanted to upset the apple cart we’d have done so long ago.
      It was just never that much of an issue.

    145. David Caledonia says:

      A catholic cannot become the king or queen in this so called United Kingdom, you cannot be the defender of the faith and be a catholic or practice any other religion for that matter.
      But Henry number eight fell out with the catholics because they would not give him a divorce, so he created the church of england
      The head chopper offer left the papal fucker offers

      Well, that’s basically what they told him to do… F..K OFF lol

    146. Ron Maclean says:

      robinmcalpine.org explains all in ‘The Five Stages of Indy-Grief’

      ‘Can Scotland afford to be independent? The answer, of course, is yes’ – taxresearch.org.uk

    147. David Caledonia says:

      If you tried to get into scotts shipyard in greenock years ago if you where a catholic I can assure anyone, it was an issue
      One every form for work in the area it asked, what school did you go to………………… WHY ?

    148. David Caledonia says:

      Why has the school you went to got anything to do with joining a social club, I have never joined anything that asked me about religion or schools that I went to and I am not a church goer

    149. James Che. says:

      One religion against the other, is how British uk like the battles to play out,

      They even thought that they could use it against each other in Westminster to rid themselves of uncontrolled politicians.
      God can be preyed to wherever you are and in any environment, you do not need a self elected intermediary.
      Religion in itself is a cult for control, it burnt innocent people at the stake as witches across the world,
      And Britain has used it in many countries,
      Religion is the devils tool for the establishment.

      I prey and I believe good, in helping the poor or those that are ill or unable, those of all faiths, and the bullied underdog,.

      A believe in Good and God are uppermost,
      But religion in itself is a cult used for division.
      NS is playing the same tune as the rest of the leaders.
      The people have to be wiser than the stupid boss.

    150. robbo says:

      It’s not whether they’ve the right to march or not- I couldn’t care less. They’re basically a parody. They’ve been banned before , twice I think and came back like a bad smell when the unionist establishment needed them.

      Finally from James Connolly:

      “The forces which battled beneath the walls of Derry or Limerick were not the forces of England and Ireland but were the forces of two English political parties fighting for the possession of the powers of government; and the leaders of the Irish Wild Geese on the battlefields of Europe were not shedding their blood because of their fidelity to Ireland, as our historians pretend to believe, but because they had attached themselves to the defeated side in English politics. This fact was fully illustrated by the action of the old Franco-Irish at the time of the French Revolution. They in a body volunteered into the English army to help put down the new French Republic, and as a result Europe witnessed the spectacle of the new republican Irish exiles fighting for the French Revolution, and the sons of the old aristocratic Irish exiles fighting under the banner of England to put down that Revolution. It is time we learned to appreciate and value the truth upon such matters, and to brush from our eyes the cobwebs woven across them by our ignorant or unscrupulous history-writing politicians.”

    151. Fred says:

      David Caledonia says:
      19 September, 2021 at 11:56 am
      “If you tried to get into scotts shipyard in greenock years ago if you where a catholic I can assure anyone, it was an issue”

      David, do you think i don’t know that? The job i do right now, i am jokingly reminded of by some of the older staff, Catholics were barred from.
      I’ll turn that one on it’s head. People of my grandparents generation all knew that Marks and Spencer’s had a policy of preferring Roman Catholics as employees – they believed they were more trustworthy! 🙂

      Personally, i think we’ve done alright for ourselves, and will continue to do so – so we don’t need some Hate Crime Bill or anything else to patronise or treat us as victims.

    152. Geoff Anderson says:

      Fred@11:48

      Probably the most crap I have read in one post!

      I was raised in a Protestant bigoted family. Like many others who seek an Independent Scotland I came to despise the West coast religious bigotry. From either side. In fact from any group towards any other section of society.
      If you do not think we should be removing this curse from society then you are a bigot trying to hide the fact by a pathetic distortions of reality.

    153. James Che. says:

      I remember when I was raised on the west coast,
      Kids at school asked what religion I believed in, and I asked my dad what I should say to avoid a disagreement with friends,

      My dad said tell them, that your first believe is in yourself, in doing good, and looking out for all my friends,
      Then ask them if they were you’re friends.

      They always answered yes.
      And religious believes were no longer an issue.

      People first, religious bias last, and fingers up to the establishment.

    154. Fred says:

      ‘Probably the most crap I have read in one post!’

      Geoff, thanks for the compliment.
      Of course I agree with you that religious bigotry doesn’t form a healthy society – and I’m not advocating for it at all. I’m struggling how you could have came to the conclusion that my tolerance of someone else’s expression leads to me being the bigot. Strange world indeed.
      My opinion is that I would prefer to live in a tolerant, respectful society and for that to be achieved through kindness and forgiveness- not through the imposition of a Hate law that will only serve to damage and separate our society even more.
      I think James Che’s post @ 12:35 captures it perfectly actually. Simple.

    155. Andy Ellis says:

      Ooofft…the estimable @HolyroodMandy shoots and doesn’t miss:

      https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,editors-column-time-to-speak-up

      “Scottish Government ministers will tell me, privately, that this is the most toxic issue they have ever experienced but won’t speak up for fear of reprisal. And it’s led us to a place where some have said to me it could become decision time for them. Not about a bill, but about their political future.

      This is not where we should be.”

      Word!

    156. Republicofscotland says:

      Fred @11.48am.

      What a load of pish, if you’re from Glasgow, I’m from Timbuktu.

    157. Republicofscotland says:

      Geoff @12.27pm.

      Well said Geoff.

    158. James Che. says:

      Thank you Fred for acknowledging the wisdom of my parents, whom believed in putting people first,
      And any religious or racism last,

      The new religious bigotry cult is now upon us causing trouble and divide as it was meant too.
      The gender issues, the do not talk to you’re parents, young against older people. Even the covid divide.

      It is time for the people of Scotland to make friends, and realise they are not each other’s enemies, but have been encouraged to think so by the leaders of Britain.

      As the prime minster instigates extermination of the Scots by repeating someone else’s poem with pride in a newspaper.

      They want us to hate each other. They want one section against the other in Scotland, in Ireland, and English vs Scots, one religion against the other,

      We have to beat the leaders of our countries, not beat each other up.

      Believe in yourself first, have confidence in who you are, and we will win over those whom want us to fight amongst ourselves so they can divide us into a weaker position in the independence of society and Scotland.

      My parents wisdom is much to be desired nowadays.

    159. Ruby says:

      Ottomanboi says:
      19 September, 2021 at 11:34 am
      RUBY
      There is no more a Catholic «race» than there is a Muslim one.

      Reply

      What you say would make sense but:

      https://archive.is/AndWp

      ‘The question of whether Islam can also be a race for the purposes of the Equality Act is not as straightforward as you would think. Race includes colour, nationality or ethnic or national origins and there is a considerable body of case law about what is meant by “ethnic origins”.

      The courts and tribunals have recognised that some religions can also be a race; it is long-established that Judaism and Sikhism can be both a race and a religion for the purposes of discrimination legislation.’

      Then there is also the case of an SNP politician taking a nursery to court because he claims his child was discriminated against due to Muslim name.

    160. Ron Maclean says:

      Excellent discussion on Through A Scottish Prism – YouTube – Roddy Macleod and Professor Alf Baird.
      Covers Independence, Colonialism, Franchise, Language etc.

    161. Ruby says:

      Who is this:

      ‘young gay man – a recent SNP candidate – who tweets disparagingly (on the eve of his own wedding)’

    162. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 1.55 pm

      I suspect it’s Tony Gugiliano?

      https://twitter.com/ToniGiugliano/status/1433456635175964674

      Quite the ratio on that tweet too. I seldom took more satisfaction in someone failing to get elected than him.

    163. Hugh Jarse says:

      Jordon ‘deep-throat’ Henderson?

      Is there a prize?
      Did i do a hate crime?
      😉

    164. Ruby says:

      ‘Scottish Government ministers will tell me, privately, that this is the most toxic issue they have ever experienced but won’t speak up for fear of reprisal.’

      What good are these timorous creatures? They take the money but fail to represent their constituents.

      We know your names!

      It’s not difficult to make a list of SNP politicians who aren’t afraid to speak up!

      It’s a very short list an even shorter list of SNP MSPs.

    165. James Che. says:

      Extermination of the Scots has no boundaries, other than people living in Scotland I suppose.

      Whom would have believed it, BJ recognising a Scottish border,

      And not discriminating between which kind of Scot to be exterminated in his ideal world.
      new or old Scots, Protestant or catholic Scots, young or old age pensioner Scots, women men or children Scots, independence supporters or union supporters,

      No, just Scots, All Scots, anyone living in Scotland Scots.

    166. James Che. says:

      And obviously he is not alone in that thought, as he quoted someone else.

    167. bipod says:

      O/T

      Does anyone believe that nicolas more cautious has actually worked? Scotland, per capita, has a much higher incidence of covid “cases” than reckless England currently thats despite us all still being masked and tracked and traced, even the expected surge in cases when the schools when back in England hasn’t materialized yet. Is it possible that maybe those cautious measures don’t stop the spread of covid at all?

      Its looking likely and I don’t expect covid vaccine passports to make any difference at all to the spread of covid. Vaccine passports only prove that you have had the vaccine not that you don’t have covid or could spread covid.

      We are now also approaching the ridiculous situation where you won’t need to pcr test to come and go from England but they will still be required in Scotland. So what is going to happen is people in Scotland will just go to airports in England and fly back to England to avoid the quarantines and expense of testing and there isn’t a damn thing nicola can do about it. Oh also all those hundred thousand or so people coming to Glasgow for COP26, from every country on the earth, they won’t need to go through all that quarantine and testing malarkey they can walk straight in.

      Time to ditch all covid restrictions nicola they don’t work and they don’t make any sense. The troubles NHS Scotland is having now is due to the policy of over centralization that has massively reduced capacity.

    168. Republicofscotland says:

      Its all the fault of that pesky Alba party, the SNP wouldn’t have any woes if it wasn’t for the nasty Alba party.

      “A FACTION of the SNP who left to join Alba have been branded as destabilising agitators and blamed for racist abuse, a series of leaked reports reveal.”

      “The documents, obtained by The Herald on Sunday, reference members of the “split away party” as being responsible for abuse against BAME SNP members, particularly online.
      They have also been accused of disrupting the party and launching attacks from within, before some left to join Alba in March this year.”

      “The documents were submitted by the party’s BAME convener Graeme Campbell and national secretary Stewart Stevenson prior to the party conference last weekend.”

      https://archive.is/y4gGl

      Our pal Pishy Pete thinks so as well.

      “We’ll be having our NEC elections soon and we must never again go down the disaster of ‘lists’ organised by external organisation or those hostile to our party. So many of those elected from these lists simply deserted their posts or joined another party.”

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/1439497155526397955

      These useless SNP b*stards that pass themselves off as independence minded MSP’s MP’s, are shitting it at the thought of the rise of the Alba party, they are thrashing about wildly blaming anyone or party for there coming downfall.

    169. Grouse Beater says:

      Your essential weekend reading: Professor Alfred Baird on English power.

      ‘An Interview on Colonialism’: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-qDn

    170. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      19 September, 2021 at 1:34 pm
      Ooofft…the estimable @HolyroodMandy shoots and doesn’t miss:

      https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,editors-column-time-to-speak-up

      Reply

      Thank you so much for posting a link to Mandy’s article.
      It’s an outstanding article. Hoorah for Mandy!

      Tony Gugiliano asks

      ‘where was the outrage about abusive men before the GRA?’

      My question is ‘where was the outrage/concern about transexuals before ‘self-id’?’

      Did men only become interested because of ‘self-id’

    171. robbo says:

      bipod says:
      19 September, 2021 at 2:32 pm
      O/T

      This is a covid free day. Bog off!

    172. Ottomanboi says:

      RUBY 1:46
      It is the term «race» that is problematic. Slotting people into a «racial type» is not good science since it cannot provide objective accuracy. The DNA industry spawned by the ancestry business is an example of that. I come from an ancient people who lived between the Tigris and Euphrates in what is now modern Iraq. It is likely they were a genetically mixed bunch, something most people are.
      There are Muslims in China who look Chinese, there are Muslims in Turkey with light to blond hair, there are black Muslims and red headed Muslims etc. Even calling Islam an ethnicity stretches the thing, to invoke the term race stretches credulity.

    173. Ruby says:

      Ottomanboi says:
      19 September, 2021 at 2:55 pm
      RUBY 1:46
      It is the term «race» that is problematic.

      Reply

      I totally agree! I don’t know WTF it means.

    174. Robert graham says:

      Mr Calidonia

      RELIGION NEVER KILLED ANYONE

      Aye well that’s the quality of contributors today makes you wonder why people bother looking at any other news sources when we have a very reputable well known philosopher who has just said religion has never killed anyone my that’s really considered thinking , Gee Wiz .

      The single most important item that should be front and centre of everyone’s thoughts just now hasn’t been mentioned , world wide demonstrations happened yesterday the MSM have effectively blocked any reference and the discussion is are you a prodday or a Tim , Aye priorities eh .

      2 in a million children have been directly affected by the plague , yes Government figures 2 in a Million and Sturgeon wants to Jab perfectly healthy children as of this week I would have thought that might just have raised a question , but no it’s do you kick with the left or right foot , FFS .

    175. John Main says:

      @Ottomanboi says – 19 September, 2021 at 2:55 pm

      “It is the term «race» that is problematic. Slotting people into a «racial type» is not good science since it cannot provide objective accuracy.”

      Well, maybes, but as the alternative to working out if somebody has similar values, attitudes, aspirations, beliefs, etc. is a multiple-choice questionnaire with maybes 50 questions on it, I think race will continue to be a useful and practical short-cut when assessing how to approach certain subjects when interacting with a stranger.

      I assume you would agree that a group of people occupying a specific place can be said (as a first approximation at least) to have similar values, attitudes, aspirations, beliefs, etc?

      In the real world, we all have no alternative but to be aware of the likely racial background of strangers we meet. There is just too much risk of causing offence, real or imagined, if we blithely assume that this is something that does not matter.

    176. Dan says:

      OT @ Grousebeater if reading

      “Fixie” in relation to pushbikes, means there is no ratchet (one way clutch) mechanism in the rear sprocket. ie. The rear sprocket is fixed to the rear wheel, ergo, if the bike is moving then the chain from the rear wheel is driving the crank so you have to pedal and have no ability to just coast along.
      NB. Failure to maintain pedalling whilst the bike is in motion can result in what is now known as “Doing a Humza”. 😉

      https://www.yellowjersey.co.uk/the-draft/whats-the-difference-between-single-speed-and-fixed-gear-bikes/

      Auld Reekie’s new town area with all the hills means a single speed bike is a bit of an ask to travel about on, well unless you Self ID as having Chris Hoy’s legs.

    177. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Rummaging in the WOS archives, came across this post.

      Q: Why shouldn’t the same logic apply to Alba? Stand candidates in northern English constituencies?

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/why-the-snp-should-run-in-england/

    178. stonefree says:

      @ Socrates MacSporran at 8:22 am
      and Robbo later

      At school there were many who had parents that were in the OO, What I notice was, they were Protestants (obviously) who actually went to church regularly, and many especially women members of Temperance Associations that seemed to fade out in the early 70s , I put it down to the change in the OO locally.
      Hindsight? Thinking back I probably had a load of “aunties” that were members of the OO,
      They were of my granny’s and mother’s generation
      When I joined the SNP I asked “what is the problem with the OO?” Never to get a real reply, So I asked “why don’t you ask them?” a repeat of the previous non answers
      So I asked 3 members all said the same thing, a variation of “They(the SNP) want rid of the Queen”
      None were rude or questioned me.
      In Paisley there was a campaign “Rescue Rabbie” over a hidden Statue (just off Love Street) and a vocal local Councillor in his criticism of any money being spent stated that “Orange Bastard” . . . When in fact Burns died one year after the OO was formed in 1795, there is little likelihood of Burns being in Orange
      That is only my view point

    179. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon
      I hope your Independence marches went well. The OO marches have taken all the media bandwidth up. So I don’t know how your marches went. I will give you a wee report about the Dundee Derby which was televised. First with my football hat on. Scrappy game, very little quality on display. What quality there was by outfield defenders. The ba was a hot potato, no player wanted it for more than a nanosecond, too many fouls. With my United hat on. They are getting used to winning one nil. And were more confident than Dundee. Their end of game management was good in injury time. With my Dundee hat on. The best players were outfield defenders. No goals in 4 out of 6 matches tells a story. I am concerned about them avoiding the drop. My moment of the match. Mulgrews tackle to save a certain Dundee equaliser. Narey-esque. Both teams will probably struggle going forward. The team at the top of the table have won the most games. Dundee need a win. United need to keep winning one nil or but a goalscorer. Luckily the Dundee teams don’t suffer from the same background as elsewhere. My brothers tell me the atmosphere in the pub after the game was good.

    180. Scott says:

      Ian Brotherhood says:
      19 September, 2021 at 4:43 pm

      Rummaging in the WOS archives, came across this post.

      Q: Why shouldn’t the same logic apply to Alba? Stand candidates in northern English constituencies?

      Can’t remember which demo at George Square I spoke with a Glasgow MP about the matter, but the SNP were actively discussing this in 2015/16, because “we have to do something”

      We’ve had two General Elections since, so it can’t be a very good idea…or something.

      It would be very interesting to see the responses from the ‘chattering classes’ if ALBA fielded a few candidates…the publicity would be worth the potential loss of deposits.

    181. stonefree says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood at 4:43 pm

      Q: Why shouldn’t the same logic apply to Alba? Stand candidates in northern English constituencies?

      There is no reason why they shouldn’t, IMO
      and it’s down to SNP’s fear in their case again IMO, That is from an SNP Convener’s reaction to the me posting a question to him face to face,
      Confirmation of his woosyness

    182. twathater says:

      @ Hugh Jarse 2.03pm went on tinternet to HOPE OVER FEAR RALLY in George Square to listen to speeches , Neale Hanvey spoke about indy and the speed not happening , looked at the comment boards and the SNP Sturgeon apologists were out in force even Jordan Henderson and a few others , I asked Jordan if he were daddy’s pal but no response , I called a few out on their sycophancy and personal slagging of Neale but still it was ALBA bad Nikla snp super duper

      Unless Alex and ALBA get the gloves off and STATE plebiscite election only all elections and expose Sturgeon we are well and truly Donald Ducked

    183. John McNab says:

      Fred at 12.21pm

      “People of my grandparents generation all knew that Marks and Spencer’s had a policy of preferring Roman Catholics as employees – they believed they were more trustworthy! ?”

      As that was a policy, as you claim, you’ll be able to link to, or produce a copy of same, showing the relevant clause?

    184. Breeks says:

      Ian Brotherhood says:
      19 September, 2021 at 4:43 pm
      Rummaging in the WOS archives, came across this post.

      Q: Why shouldn’t the same logic apply to Alba? Stand candidates in northern English constituencies?

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/why-the-snp-should-run-in-england/

      I don’t think ALBA are looking at Indy the way the SNP did back in 2014. Without writing a long explanation why, I’d recommend you listen to today’s Through a Scottish Prism with Alf Baird.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7g2YS5K6Nw

      I think there’s a lot of sense in what Alf Baird say about the UN, and what criteria the UN will apply to Scotland’s self determination.

      Roddy makes a good point too, that it’s not about excluding people who have chosen to make Scotland their home, but the “transient” people for want of a better word, the people who are not here permanently such as second home owners, students, and Service personnel.

      In short, I don’t expect ALBA will be taking much heed of what voters in England have to say about Scotland’s national affairs.

    185. Breeks says:

      For brevity, I think the last thing on ALBA’s agenda is having a Scottish Plebiscite resemble a UK Plebiscite by having candidates standing in England.

    186. Breeks says:

      Maybe I’m misconstruing what Alf Baird said, but one of the issues he raised was census information which showed a distinct increase in “colonial immigration”, it could be that the franchise is determined by occupancy before the increased immigration.

      So say the census showed a marked increase in English people moving to Scotland in the last 7 years, it could be the residential voting franchise goes back 7 years, with the influence from the sudden influx of incomers excluded.

    187. Ruby says:

      Breeks says:

      Roddy makes a good point too, that it’s not about excluding people who have chosen to make Scotland their home, but the “transient” people for want of a better word, the people who are not here permanently such as second home owners, students, and Service personnel.

      Reply

    188. Ruby says:

      Breeks says:

      Roddy makes a good point too, that it’s not about excluding people who have chosen to make Scotland their home, but the “transient” people for want of a better word, the people who are not here permanently such as second home owners, students, and Service personnel.

      Reply

      Why would residents of England vote for Scotland to remain in their Union?

    189. wull says:

      Whatever their religious predilections, OO marches are demonstrations in favour of the Union (and the Monarchy). Councils and the Police (and other authorities) allow these marches to take place regularly, with only minimum regulation and little or no interference.

      Councils and the Police (and other authorities) therefore have no justification for banning or unduly interfering with (similar, albeit much better behaved) demonstrations in favour of independence (or, indeed, if it comes to that, opposed to the Monarchy).

      If the authorities favour one of these groups and deny the other, is this not an offence against basic political freedoms?

      The religious aspect certainly compounds the issue, and it is serious. However, strategically, at least for the moment, this may not be the specific angle independence supporters ought to be highlighting.

      The (traditional) link-up between working class Orange-ism and the ‘Conservative and Unionist’ Party may be less ‘in yer face’ than it was in the 1950s, but it still exists and surreptitiously exercises its malign influence.

      Think of Ruthie.

      Or, worse, of the malicious and organised (but unprosecuted) four-pronged (i.e. four-cornered) attack on the sorrowful but peaceful and dignified gathered in George Square the day after the 2014 referendum, when the result was known.

      Think, too, of the way the Press in general, and the BBC in particular, quickly transformed that event into a story which blamed those who were maliciously attacked, while at the same time exonerating the perpetrators of what was, in fact, a genuine and organised hate crime.

    190. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Breeks, et al –

      Thanks for feedback.

      The only reason I brought up that post from so long ago is that it’s from a period when everything was up for grabs, there was much more positivity around, and, of course, Alex Salmond was still leader of the SNP.

      That positivity is Alba’s strongest suit (whether Alex stays as leader or not) and the flicker of hope many of us felt after the conference is based on a recognition of that feeling.

      If the SNP, a decade ago, was attracting attention south of the border, and Stu felt moved to write that post, we should acknowledge (however difficult it may be now) that the atmosphere was entirely different – we have to try and get that buzz back.

      Standing candidates in say, Cumbrian or Northumbrian constituencies, would take Alba right into areas where there is huge interest in Scottish independence for very obvious reasons. And it’s not just a gimmick to get free advertising and a chance to explain why the SNP has failed those of us who are serious about the issue. It’s about ‘democracy’ – taking debate right into the communities that will be most affected by the split. And let’s face it – despite the disgraceful procrastination of Sturgeon et al, there does seem to be a general consensus that it’s only a matter of time.

      Showing respect for the people of Carlisle and Newcastle is every bit as important as appealing to SNP members who insist on pickling themselves in denial – the fact that we have the people and arguments to be able to do both is, in itself, another mark of the positivity we can now capitalise on.

      Did anyone else see Michael D Higgin’s brilliant address to the Dail in the Minimum Wage debate? (Sorry, I don’t know when it was.) Here’s the link:

      twitter.com/TadhgHickey/status/1439500784283041793

      That’s the kind of passion we need back in our politics, and Alba, right now, seems the likeliest source. And if we can harness that kind of righteous anger and energy? Heaven knows, there is no end of nuts-and-bolts topics to address, and I’m pretty sure the citizens of England would love to hear it every bit as much as the rest of us.

      😉

    191. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      19 September, 2021 at 4:02 pm
      @Ottomanboi says – 19 September, 2021 at 2:55 pm

      “It is the term «race» that is problematic. Slotting people into a «racial type» is not good science since it cannot provide objective accuracy.”

      Well, maybes, but as the alternative to working out if somebody has similar values, attitudes, aspirations, beliefs, etc. is a multiple-choice questionnaire with maybes 50 questions on it, I think race will continue to be a useful and practical short-cut when assessing how to approach certain subjects when interacting with a stranger.

      I assume you would agree that a group of people occupying a specific place can be said (as a first approximation at least) to have similar values, attitudes, aspirations, beliefs, etc?

      In the real world, we all have no alternative but to be aware of the likely racial background of strangers we meet. There is just too much risk of causing offence, real or imagined, if we blithely assume that this is something that does not matter.

      Reply

      Way back when I was clear on what racism meant I would have said the above post is 100% racist.

      The last paragraph which suggest we need to walk on eggshells around people of a certain race I believe has come about because of the too frequent use of the race card.

      I’m looking at you Humza Yousaf & you Graham Campbell.

      I’m not happy about treating people differently. That seems to me like racism.

      Not quite sure how you could offend a stranger of a different race that you just met.

    192. Ruby says:

      No point talking about a minimum wage if that wage does not allow you to pay for the most basic so called affordable housing.

    193. John Main says:

      Ruby

      “Not quite sure how you could offend a stranger of a different race that you just met”.

      Erm …

      Insist he join you in a dram to toast universal fellowship. Tell him you are insulted that he won’t.

      It’s chucking it down, and you see his wife struggling home with the week’s shopping. So you stop your car and offer her a lift.

      Tell him he really would be safer and more sensible if he were to wear a crash helmet when out on his motorbike.

      Three insults for three different minorities there. I’m hoping I won’t be making any of these well-intentioned errors because I don’t pretend that race does not exist.

    194. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      Insist he join you in a dram to toast universal fellowship. Tell him you are insulted that he won’t.

      It’s chucking it down, and you see his wife struggling home with the week’s shopping. So you stop your car and offer her a lift.

      Tell him he really would be safer and more sensible if he were to wear a crash helmet when out on his motorbike.

      Reply

      How can you tell by race whether someone drinks alcohol or not? Why would you insist on someone having a dram? Ever heard of alcoholism? What about ‘no thanks’ is that not a term you accept?

      How would you know the stranger’s wife and why would you expect any woman no matter what race to get into a car with a stranger?
      Are you a police officer?

      Re crash help:
      Are you a police officer?

    195. Ruby says:

      Should be

      Re crash helmet:
      Are you a police officer?

      My advice to all women no matter what race:

      Do not get into a car with a stranger even if they are a police officer.

    196. shug says:

      I nearly spat out my coffee when I read Jack McConnel’s comments.

      If there has been any group that has supported these knuckle draggers it is the unionist labour party.

    197. Lochside says:

      If the trolls on here want the evidence of colonial reality in Scotland, consider this:

      Police Scotland have permitted 32 x roads in the centre of Glasgow on a Saturday to be closed to allow a scurvy drunken and anti-social mob of thousands to despoil our biggest city with their anti Irish and anti Catholic poison. Not only racist, sectarian but antipathetic to their own country and their own national identity. Waving the flags of the Colonial oppressors: Union Jack and the insulting made up N.I. banner representing the illegal ‘province’.

      Stupid, uneducated, lumpen prole puppets of the British brainwashing achieved by three hundred years of oppression and imperial lies. Body guarded by Police Scotland to ‘parade’ with impunity through the towns and cities of our country, confirming what occurs when you allow your country and its culture to be eclipsed by fairy tales about coronets and kings.

      Rangers F.C. the Zombie institution, which reaffirms on a weekly basis this looking class distortion of Scotland is similarly protected by the police and by the media.

      The SNP Gov imprison and hound true Scottish nationalists. Their leader, a strange gender obsessed zealot, eschews any public support for the grassroots nationalist support and only shows up in public to do selfies with the war criminal Alistair Campbell; appoints Murray Foote architect of the ‘big lie’ in 2014 of the ‘VOW’; appoints ‘Sir’ Nicholas McPherson, the notorious Senior Civil Servant who sank the ‘YES’ campaign in 2014 is recruited to help the SNP economic ‘Recovery’. Surely Blair MacDougal must be due a turn next?

      Fait accompli Nicola?..well not quite. You’ve hollowed out the Judiciary and polis and with all the ex N.I. and security placemen and women plus the unionist mobs, the YES crowd will be easily intimidated. All that’s left is more ongoing assimilation back into G.B. by wrapping up the shambolic Holyrood experiment and letting the Tories absorb Scotland into the new and revitalised Union so that we become North Britain again. With sustained economic asymmetrical emigration from England ongoing eventually with the new North British ‘flighters’ plus the orange dregs will outnumber the jocks forever, and the second new ‘Province’ will come about. We can have a a new flag: one with a St. George’s cross with a red hand holding a deep fried mars bar.

    198. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Lochside (8.57) –

      Ooooft!

      Nice one.

      🙂

    199. Alf Baird says:

      Ruby @ 7:42 pm

      The SNP elite, no matter their ethnicity/culture, remain totally oblivious to the severe and continuing racism impacts of colonialism which impact on Scots, the latter forming the basis of any peoples’ desire for independence, and which is explained here: https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/08/15/determinants-of-independence-ethnicity/

    200. Tannadice Boy says:

      The only people I heard of talking about Colonialism was from Independence people themselves. Nobody absolutely Nobody talked about Colonialism on the streets during 2014. There is a C word it is called Competence.
      Some people are trying to rewrite history. So how is Prof Baird going to defend GRA
      Or HCB on the streets We should try it together.

    201. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tannadice Boy.

      I see you lost your prospective Celtic bet.

      Never mind, your team got the big bag of fruit kudos today.
      RE: the good atmosphere. Look at Frews. A Dundee pub one week, a United pub the next. But at the Hogmanay lock-in, they are all there together for a bra’ night.

    202. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon 10:32pm
      Tannadeachy here.
      I really miss Frews. I didn’t do a Celtic bet it was David Caledonia. In fact I didn’t bet today at all. David did a ten pound dub. I didn’t do anything. I never back against Dundee teams. In fact I have lost a fortune on the Dundee double. I have to say I don’t bet Celtic or Rangers. I have principles. I support Dundee teams. How did the marches go?

    203. Lochside says:

      Tannadice Boy…you should change yer moniker to Tannadice bairn.
      Only a child would write absolute pish like you do with absolutely nae conception of what colonialism means or what Alf Baird is telling you about the reality of Scotland today and how to change it.

      BTW , all that fake Dundee bonhomie is a loada shite.. I heard the ‘ Dees’ (huns wi nae bus) fare singing the ‘famine song’ on the radio as well as booing Jim McLean’ statue. Aye, Dundee city of discovery…discovering that the East has as many stupid bigots as the west.

    204. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Lochside 11:10pm
      An easy answer. So where does Alf Baird want to defend his principles. On what street?. Any street in Scotland will do. I will be with him. When he will realise his theories are not mainstream. You can stand with us. Then maybe you will learn. Are you 15?.

    205. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tannadice Boy.

      The Dundee march had around 1,000 coming up the Seagate. I joined it at St Paul’s Cathedral. When we got to Magdalene Green, there were around 150-200 left.

      I guess the Farmer’s Market in City Square was a bigger attraction than nothing happening at Magdalene Green.

      Sunday at George Square was fine. Alba speakers onstage and a lot of Alba hoodies and t-shirts in the crowd.

      Well, here’s to Edinburgh next Saturday.

      ALBA rising…

    206. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon 11:46pm
      Great stuff. I am thinking about joining Alba. Or at least providing a donation. I am fearful of joining a political party after 2015. I knew Sturgeon was a wrong un. Let’s not fall out. We are Dundonians.

    207. Pixywine says:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg
      At last vaccine Injured Jimmy Dore is catching on.

    208. robertknight says:

      Just love the shaved gorilla in the bowler hat, Chris. Despite having got out the ironing board and found the shoe polish, at the end of the day a knuckle dragging mouth breather in a cheap suit is still a knuckle dragging mouth breather.

      Furthermore, they are, without doubt, the most aesthetically challenged group of individuals I’ve ever had the misfortune to see – proof that ugly on the inside eventually gets ugly on the outside. As for the tattooed majorettes – could easily pass for a post zombie apocalypse American High School marching band. Where’s Michael Jackson when you need him!

      The “LOL” and “WATP” pin badges are a nice touch too, by the way. “Laugh Out Loud” and “We Adore The Pope” confirm the happy, community spirit that they foster.

      All joking aside, they’re a carbuncle on the arse cheek of the country. “It’s our tradition” they cry. Well, tradition just saw 1500 dolphins hacked to bits just 200 miles across the water. What does that tell you about so called “tradition”? It’s no f***ing excuse!

      PS If anybody found a bank card in the street yesterday, you’ll know what PIN to try first!

    209. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/57stS

      ‘Kevin McKenna: How posh schools work hard to remove any trace of pupils’ Scottishness’

      I haven’t read Alf’s papers but I guess this would be an example of colonialism.

      It’s not posh to be Scottish that’s why they vote NO.

    210. Dan says:

      If Scotland is so poor and useless, why have they planned to run not one but two HVDC cables from Scotland to England, at a cost of many billions of quid…

      https://www.iberdrola.com/about-us/lines-business/flagship-projects/eastern-link-electric-underwater-line

      We often hear about the higher grid connection / transmission charges producers of leccy pay up here in Scotland. Clearly those costs aren’t that much of a show stopper in the scheme of things if businesses can go ahead with projects like these. In reality those higher charges are just away to extract yet more revenue out of Scottish resources.
      What ever happened to “UK Single Market”…

    211. Ruby says:

      I feel very sorry for the young people in the Orange Lodge.

      How do these parents have so much influence over their children? It’s not normal.

      Could it be there is a lack of things to do in the area and going to the Orange Lodge band practice, getting free music lessons & being one of guys is their only choice?

    212. gullaneno4 says:

      330 years ago, must have been around the same time as the good ‘ol Scots boys were forming the KKK in America.
      America have since brought in laws to stop this nonsense, is it not about time Scotland did.

    213. @Ruby,

      removing a countries national identity is part of the modern definition of genocide,

      `Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation,

      The objectives would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.

      Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group.`

      obviously if you object to genocide you are a moon howling nativist speckled in spit bludenboiler.

    214. David Caledonia says:

      I took a cashback on the double when dundee united won, then I put it on chelsea and that gave me a nice 6/5 winner
      Livingstone got a result sure, but celtic season ticket holders will not go to these type of games, just like the ex/kilmarnock manager, now with scotland
      They forget that football is part of the entertainment business, I was listening to the game on the radio, ( while working on my house ) I don’t think celtic had a shot on target in the first 45 minutes
      How the feck can a manager send his players out with the whole intent of just defending and hoping to snatch a breakaway goal when they play Rangers and Celtic
      Keep your eye on livingstone this season, lets hope they are sent down to where they belong, and take their plastic pitch with them
      My main gripe is this, how can our national team progress to a decent level of international football when we have managers that stifle players creativity
      Imagine players like Dennis Law and Jimmy Greaves playing under these type of managers, right Dennis you mark him, right Jimmy you mark him out of the game
      It fair scunners ye tae see what’s happening to football in scotland with some managers at the helm

    215. Ruby says:

      Where does the Orange Lodge get their money?

    216. Ruby says:

      Scot Finlayson says:
      20 September, 2021 at 8:54 am
      @Ruby,

      removing a countries national identity is part of the modern definition of genocide,

      Reply

      What was it called when it happen in Australia & the US?

      I often wondering if the reason for high alcohol & drug addiction within the Aboriginal & Native American communities could be compared to the high alcohol & drug addiction in Scotland.

    217. Republicofscotland says:

      Gordon Brown has been appointed to a senior role within the (WHO) World Health Organisation. The WHO’s Director General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said of Brown, who backed the the invasion of Iraq, which led to mass murder on a huge scale, That Brown is a champion for galavanising the world’s major economies to protect health, I’m sure the people of Iraq, that survived the slaughter would disagree.

    218. David Caledonia says:

      I can go ages without betting anything, but when I have a substantial wager on I intend to win, football is just an interest its not a very good sport to be risking your hard earned on
      But even with football, I like to come out ahead, even though its only an interest bet
      Horses, that is where the mathmatic side of betting comes in, that is the only sport I know where you can put your money on and the worse that can happen is you break even

      As long as you know the secret on how its done lol

    219. Socrates MacSporran says:

      David Caledonia

      You wrote:“My main gripe is this, how can our national team progress to a decent level of international football when we have managers that stifle players creativity
      Imagine players like Dennis Law and Jimmy Greaves playing under these type of managers, right Dennis you mark him, right Jimmy you mark him out of the game.”

      In Denis Law’s first appearance at Hampden, in only his second cap – v Northern Ireland, at Hampden, on 5 November, 1959, he was specifically asked by the then Scotland manager, to man-mark Northern Ireland’s Danny Blanchflower.

      That Scotland manager was Matt Busby. Tactics are not a variety of mint.

    220. Republicofscotland says:

      Meanwhile China’s president Xi Jingping, hasn’t confirmed yet that he’ll attend the COP26 in Glasgow this November. XI and China are a bit dismayed over the UK and US using Australia as a nuclear patsy to poke a stick at the Chinese in their own back yard via the South China seas.

      All this trio of tools are doing is forcing China to increase its production of weapons and defence systems, which of course can only be done by using more fossil fuels, which inturn creates more CFC’s and GHG’s.

      The same can be said of Iran, North Korea and Venezuela and of course Cuba, and any other country that Western hegemony is putting pressure on to comply.

    221. Dan says:

      It irks me that the “blood and soil” trope is so readily hurled at folk when people attempt to discuss aspects solely relating to people (blood). Yet I haven’t seen the equivalent level of finger pointing or outrage aimed at organisations that openly classify certain non-indigenous plants, animals, and organisms as invasive species, due to the damage they can cause to our land (soil) by altering the balance of our delicate ecosystems.

    222. Republicofscotland says:

      Momentum building a wee bit over Craig Murray’s unjust incarceration. In my opinion the imprisoning of Murray has brought global shame on Scotland.

      “A BRANCH of the National Union of Journalists (NUJ) has urged its executive and the International Federation of Journalists to express their concern about the eight-month sentence handed down to former diplomat and pro-independence campaigner Craig Murray.”

      “The motion points out that Reporters Without Borders claimed Murray is the first person in the world to be jailed over jigsaw identification, and his sentence the longest imposed on any journalist in the UK in living memory.”

      https://archive.is/Y8YoC#selection-1525.3-1525.227

    223. Dorothy Devine says:

      Republicofscotland. every damned on of them should be shouting about this from the rooftops but our craven shower in the media maintain an unhealthy silence.

      Someone should remind them they are all hingin’ on a shoogly peg.

    224. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland,

      Shame is right.
      My heart goes out to Craig and his family.

      But I feel no shame personally, I will not own it.

      This shame belongs with the LAW and those whom sit in judgement dishing out new illegal laws in Scotland, made up pretend laws, to imprison others they may disagree with on a personal level rather than professional.

      and the rest of the shame belongs with MSM journalists.
      Those journalist whom do not stand up for journalism in all its shapes and forms.

      Scotland’s people are right to be ashamed, but not to own it,

    225. Ottomanboi says:

      The imprisonment of Craig Murray brings shame on Scotland’s administrative and legal institutions.
      So unwise of them to offer up to «the enemy» a further reason to dismiss Scotland as «unfit».
      Historically, England has never been willing to concede to Scotland and the Scots on any front.
      Reinforcing that prejudice by such an own goal is grotesque.

    226. Dan says:

      Welcome to Nirvana… With the lights out, it’s less dangerous…

      https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1439869599454044161

      At the beginning of 2021 there were 70 energy suppliers in the UK, but industry sources have said there may be as few as 10 left by the end of the year.

      Four small energy companies have ceased trading in recent weeks, including Edinburgh-based People’s Energy, which supplied gas and electricity to about 350,000 homes and 1,000 businesses, and Dorset-based Utility Point which had 220,000 customers.” — BBC News

    227. Dan says:

      Bill McKay’s direct links to unionists rags archived…

      https://archive.is/o5o90

      https://archive.is/Kfmse

    228. James Che. says:

      Indeed the shame is not with the people of Scotland, for they were all shocked at another Scottish independence supporter being illegally attacked.

      There was no invisibilty of bias.

    229. James Che. says:

      British law has seeped in into Scots law through the back door of the devolved government.
      And is being used against us rather than upholding Scots law as stated in the treaty of the union as separate.

    230. Hatuey says:

      I no longer believe that the SNP regime starting attacking rivals within the party and imprisoning people in order simply to neutralise the opposition and sustain itself. I think there’s probably more to it than that and more to it than any of us know. And I think we will find out some day.

      On a completely unrelated matter, I note with interest that lobbying firm ‘Message Matters’ has had more meetings with the Scottish government than any other lobbying firm since March 2018. I’m sure there’s a few people in here that would be interested to know that Pfizer, the giant of US big pharma, is a giant of a client to Message Matters.

      That’s all on the official record. The unofficial record is as clean as a whistle (I’m a layman when it comes to whistles but I’ve always found that an odd expression). https://archive.is/6FSDf

      Even more unrelated — super-unrelated, if you like — I finally got around to watching a documentary recommended to me about Jacob Zuma, the former president of South Africa who was forced to resign and go to jail after being caught fiddling the public till.

      The documentary I refer to is worth watching if you have any interest in the evolving role of offshore banking companies, the way they are corrupting and cosying up to governments all over the world like never before, and the role that lobbying and consulting firms play in these murky relationships.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaSZRqAksA0

      Who famously said politics was the shadow cast by big business on society? Someone clever, that’s for sure.

    231. Republicofscotland says:

      “But I feel no shame personally, I will not own it.”

      Jmes Che.

      And there in lies the heart of the problem, the French and Spanish have no quibs about getting pro-active in a physical sort of way, they do own there governments mistakes to a degree and boy do they let them know it.

      We elected these politicians to carry out our will, what they do reflects on us as a whole nation whether we like it or not.

    232. Republicofscotland says:

      ” but our craven shower in the media maintain an unhealthy silence.”

      Dorothy Devine.

      We have no media in Scotland to speak of, or at least promotes Scottish interests, the media in Scotland serves the British establishment

    233. Effigy says:

      Just seen a wonderful interview with an Orange Marcher in
      N Ireland.
      He says Alex Salmond is a Jacobite living in the 17th Century!

      Banners behind proclaiming his mob celebrating 1690?

      He doesn’t get it and won’t ever get it.

      Anyone help me with the so called Gas supply shortage and eye watering price
      Increases at 250% over the last 10 months?

      Previously I’ve seen prices go up when prices are stable but it’s supposed to be
      because they bought two years previously when costs where high?

      Why are there a shortage when the weather is warm and lots of businesses went bust?

      If there are shortages, who has them?
      From what we see, if you have the money you get the gas.
      That’s not a shortage that’s price fixing.

      Why would a supplier go bust when everyone is paying them monthly and most are in credit with Winter coming up?

      If supplier need some government finance to keep going, then if you are a Tory party supporter
      you will get it. If not the competition reduces for their acquaintances who can pay even more to the party.

      The independent has some rubbish about not enough wind this year?
      What has that got to do with gas?

    234. dandydons1903 says:

      The orange order/rangers fc are basically boot boys for the brit establishment in Scotland. Like the SA were to Hitler.

    235. Dorothy Devine says:

      RoS, painfully aware of the shortcomings of the media in Scotland.
      Utterly shocked that they do not recognise the threats to themselves as purveyors of doubtful information.

    236. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      I am not so sure we did vote them in,

      I don’t remember the greens being voted in during the election,
      I think they just make it up, it certainly was not in their manifesto.

      As to protesting like the Spanish and french people, that means getting beat up by those in authority list.

      Nope, we have the legal to choose a new government, we should do it before there are no more Scots left outside a prison,

      “The people of Scotland have the right to choose whom governs them”

      This does say when, how, or even how many times,

      It does not say that that concept has to be run by the very government We wish to change.

      It does not say a time we are allowed to do this either,

      The claim of right is not in any way or manner UDI.

      Why do we the [Scottish people] not do this to gain independence?

    237. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi James Che. at 1:31 pm.

      You typed (and I corrected),

      “The people of Scotland have the right to choose who governs them”

      This does [not] say when, how, or even how many times,

      It does not say that that concept has to be run by the very government We wish to change.”

      The problem is, if not the government, who would manage the expression of that choice?

    238. Sensible Dave says:

      Dan 19 September, 2021 at 11:00 am

      You wrote “Eh, please let me know your address and I’ll send you a new battery, as it appears your watch stopped 5 years ago.”

      Ah, so you are arguing that the referendum confirmed that all the stuff about the nasty English and the colonisation of Scotland – started after the referendum (i.e. the last time Scots were actually asked the question).

      OK, that’s progress I suppose.

    239. Breeks says:

      James Che. says:
      20 September, 2021 at 12:25 pm
      British law has seeped in into Scots law through the back door of the devolved government.
      And is being used against us rather than upholding Scots law as stated in the treaty of the union as separate.
      *

      I suspect that’s all by design and dreaded “convention” rather than actual Constitutional change… so far.

      But then along comes Joanna Cherry and uses Scots Law, Scottish Legal Doctrine and the uniquely Scottish Constitutional principle that Government serves the sovereign people, and thus cannot remove itself from their scrutiny, and uses said principles to overturn the UK Prime Minister’s prorogation of Parliament, – incidentally using aspects of Scots Law and Constitutional principle where the UK Supreme Court had no jurisdiction. Cherry victorious for Scotland, and not so much against all odds, but certainly against the whole UK Establishment.

      Joanna Cherry has been the only shining star to lighten up the heavens in the seven years of darkness under Sturgeon’s “leadership”, and a fat lot of thanks and appreciation she got for it.

      Joanna Cherry is going to be pivotal I think. Perhaps even more pivotal to events even than Sturgeon. For as long as JC stays in the SNP, there is a slender hope something of the SNP can be salvaged and resurrected. If JC ups sticks and moves over to ALBA, then that will mark the end of the SNP I think, even if they belatedly ditch Sturgeon and the loonies. I just don’t see Keith Brown, or anybody else, turning the SNP around. It would take a huge amount of charisma which seems in very short supply.

      I hope JC does move to ALBA, and is then free to plot the Union’s demise using Scotland’s Constitution, rather than see her efforts and energies squandered fighting off abuse and multiple backstabbing from Sturgeon’s Shitstirring Allstars. Truth be known, I have a suspicion that malicious interference is a deliberate attempt to isolate Joanna Cherry, spike her guns, and prevent her from bringing down the Union singlehandedly.

      The crunch problem is, in my humble opinion, ALBA has a weak underbelly to it’s strategy whenever and wherever the SNP can point to it’s democratic credentials. ALBA somehow needs the SNP to embrace the Plebiscite General Election strategy, or, it needs to take the SNP out the game. The former is the much better option, IF it can be done.

      That means a Night of the Long Knives for the SNP, change at the top and urgent root and branch reform, or, it means a mass exodus of the popular vote away from the SNP and over to ALBA. And therein lies the dilemma / uphill challenge for ALBA. It might be right, but it won’t be easy.

      But, I’m not Alex Salmond. I think he’ll have more cards up his sleeve. I just have this unshakable feeling that somehow, Joanna Cherry is one of them.

    240. Republicofscotland says:

      James Che @1.31pm.

      No matter how much you might want to deny it, the majority of Scots voted Sturgeon (SNP) in, I did myself on the request of Alex Salmond who hoped that Alba would win a few seats and get a question at FMQ’s a question aimed at pushing Sturgeon on independence, alas it didn’t pan out that way.

      There has been a loud demos in Scotland against Sturgeon, with boo’s ringing out when her name was mentioned a first I think, may there be many more.

      Over 500 women protested outside Holyrood booing Sturgeon’s name when it was yelled out within the demo, Sturgeon must’ve heard the the booing inside Holyrood, and lo and behold several days later the SPCB came out without providing a good reason or documentation as to why demos directly outside Holyrood would now be off limits to the public.

      I think the two events are linked, now if a demo of 500 women gets Sturgeon all jittery and agitated, imagine what a huge demo booing and calling for Sturgeon to stand down might achieve. I’ve always thought that we the people of Scotland have the power to make or break a politician or party, if enough of us actually get out there and protest, I don’t mean happy clappy flag waving AUOB marches, no I mean in your face shouting and calling out Sturgeon’s nasty policies and her lack of movement on independence, Sturgeon needs to confronted during her walkabouts in Scotland and told we know that’s she’s pushing unpopular policies and hiding Scottish independence back.

      Change doesn’t happen without sacrifice.

    241. Breeks says:

      Brian Doonthetoon says:
      20 September, 2021 at 1:48 pm

      The problem is, if not the government, who would manage the expression of that choice?

      A Constitutional Assembly / Convention of Scotland’s Elected Representatives sitting outside the realm of Westminster or Holyrood. In previous comments I’ve called such a thing a Senate, perhaps a 100 seat senate, directly invoking the 100 of us left alive declaring the Declaration of Arbroath “quorate”.

    242. Republicofscotland says:

      Dorothy Devine @1.31pm.

      What passes for a media (press) in Scotland needn’t worry as they have new benefactor in Sturgeon, whose given them a whopping £3 million quid of taxpayers money to help keep them afloat.

      Just why would a supposedly independence minded FM give the unionist media who are anti-Scottish independence £3 million of our cash, if not for them to go a bit easier on her and her non-independence policies.

    243. Pixywine says:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcAHvj6B1Nk
      I disagree with the doctors assertion that the vaccine is “relatively” effective-its not effective at all in my opinion- but this interview is enlightening.

    244. Breeks says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      20 September, 2021 at 1:58 pm
      James Che @1.31pm.

      No matter how much you might want to deny it, the majority of Scots voted Sturgeon (SNP) in, I did myself on the request of Alex Salmond who hoped that Alba would win a few seats and get a question at FMQ’s a question aimed at pushing Sturgeon on independence, alas it didn’t pan out that way.

      I commented yesterday or the day before about “plan the dive, and dive the plan”, bemoaning the fact have never sat down and worked out the critical path and end point, where we know we’ve crossed the finishing line to achieve Independence.

      I think Holyrood is a stunning example of that. Holyrood means 100 different things to a 100 different people. Is it Scotland’s Parliament? Or is it Westminster’s Devolved Assembly? Is it ultimately “sovereign” because it answers to Scotland’s sovereign people? Or is definitely “not-sovereign” because it kneels to Westminster’s ascendency?

      Is Sturgeon the leader of our Nation, or just the Leader of a servile, Mickey Mouse, puppet Assembly? (Let that be judged by her Brexit capitulation eh?).

      Scotland needs much more clarity than this “confusion”.

      Scotland needs to take our “Unionised” unconstitutional dogs breakfast spiked with layer upon layer of unwritten convention,, and boil away the 300 years of rotten flesh until we are left with the honest bare bones of Scotland’s ACTUAL Constitution in Law.

      That fundamental Constitution will say the people of Scotland are sovereign, and basically, that’s about all it will say. But that says enough. The sovereignty of Scotland is not Westminster’s commodity to wield or determine, and the Treaty of Union cannot properly exist.

      There’s no need for divorce if the fraud which posed as a marriage is annulled.

    245. Ron Maclean says:

      Any idea that the Alba Party is going to change anything quickly appears optimistic especially if, as seems possible, it follows the route taken by the SNP. Alba’s Leader and Deputy Leader were raised in the colonising Westminster tradition and accepted its benefits. Have they ever spoken about the continuing colonialism practices and their relevance to Scotland? That might be difficult and embarrassing to admit publicly when they’ve been part of a three hundred year old Scottish tradition owing allegiance to the Queen and upholding the subjugation of their country. Perhaps that explains the focus on fringe matters of less importance than independence. Now that their conference is over will they slip into something more comfortable, join the rest of our political patriots and settle down?

      ‘Action is the antidote to despair’

    246. Ron Maclean says:

      Another interesting post from barrheadboy.com – ‘Words Win Wars’.

    247. Republicofscotland says:

      “Scotland needs much more clarity than this “confusion”.2

      Breeks.

      We are in a voluntary union, even Sturgeon the Betrayer said so a few days ago. But this means absolutely nothing if the people of Scotland don’t act. We won’t leave this union without some sort of fight, do you think Westminster won’t get down and dirty as they did in 2014.

      All the loose ends can be tied up post-independence what’s required right now is action, and by that I don’t mean AUOB marches, no I mean demos, demos aimed at Sturgeon and the SNP, its been seven long years and we haven’t moved one inch forward on becoming an independent nation, the blame for that lies squarely at the door of Sturgeon, and its not because there hasn’t been any good reasons or opportunities to hold an indyref, Brexit being a prime example.

      Meanwhile Westminster hasn’t skipped a beat on finding ways to roll back devolution. I really do worry that Scots have become so apathetic that they really don’t care what direction Westminster drags us in or what this or future English PM’s do to Scotland, as long as they can continue watching Coronation street or fly out from Manchester on holiday, or a hundred other things that they have been conditioned to believe is normal for Scots, when infact they are a condition of being in this union.

      No rowdy demos against Sturgeon and the SNP no independence, no mass gatherings calling it out in Princess street or Sauchiehall street no independence. No brazen demos outside Bute house when Sturgeon is entertaining foreign dignitaries no independence.

    248. chas says:

      The problem Scotland has with ALBA is that they are seen by the younger generation as a party for old folks. I leave it up to you how you classify ‘younger generation’, but I would suggest people under 40.
      The SNP have prominent members in their 20’s which younger people can relate to more. Mhairi Black is an example. She may be useless but she is a ‘young’ useless.
      Alba has to attract youth into its senior ranks. It would help if they were intelligent and articulate but where are these individuals?

    249. Ron Maclean says:

      ‘So where are the passionate supporters of the union to be found? In Scotland, above all. There, a great many people believe that they have much to lose – economically, socially, patriotically – if their nation secedes. Although current polls put independence in the lead, Scottish Unionism is still vigorous. And it’s significant that 400,000 out of Scotland’s population of five million were born ‘elsewhere in the UK’ – overwhelmingly in England. More than 72 per cent of this bloc voted ‘No’ to independence in the 2014 referendum. Had they abstained, the result would have been the same, though narrower. But had they voted ‘Yes’, Scotland would today be independent.’

      And

      ‘England must be liberated. But Brexit, and the cynical chauvinism of the Johnson government, and the xenophobia of the Faragists, can’t achieve that. It’s the union with Scotland that holds the decayed Ukanian fabric together. End it, and the unique intimacy between England and Scotland – Alex Salmond’s ‘social union’ – can flourish in a confederation of independent states. End the timed-out union, and allow England to encounter itself at last.’

      From Bye Bye Britain – Neil Ascherson – London Review of Books – Vol. 42 No. 18 24 Sept. 2020

    250. Captain Yossarian says:

      @Tannadice Boy – I’ll get the report at the end of this week/beginning of next week. Thank-you for your advice. I have said that before, but it was advice that I hadn’t been given previously and it has changed things entirely.

      I have worked in this industry for nearly 35-years and I have never seen this type of report before. I knew they existed, but I’d never seen one.

      Anyway, I’ll either be right or wrong.

      By the way, I listened to the game yesterday and I thought that you were fortunate. 3-points for a win and zero points for a spirited loss doesn’t seem fair does it. But, that’s football and that’s why it is so fascinating.

    251. John Main says:

      @RepublicOfScotland 1:58 pm

      Some good ideas there but you need to go further.

      It is not enough to just call for NS to go. You also have to know who you want to take her place.

      That has to be somebody from the current SNP. Barring unforeseen circumstances, they are entrenched in Hollyrood until May 2026.

      Unless the popular campaign to remove NS is also a popular campaign to put a named individual in her place, you will just be wasting your time. Musical chairs perhaps, but no real change.

    252. Breeks says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      20 September, 2021 at 2:55 pm

      We are in a voluntary union, even Sturgeon the Betrayer said so a few days ago…

      I agree with you.

      In the aftermath of Brexit, and again, on Sturgeon’s re-election, people were talking about civil disobedience, peaceful protest / direct action etc.

      I can think of no better civil protest action than “crashing” the Union at the earliest opportunity, but for all my impatience, I want the Independence to stick, be popular, and be highly regarded abroad.

      I think we strengthen Scotland’s hand the more people we have supporting us, and there’s a process we can adopt.

      Personally, because we know Scotland ultimately wins the battle of sovereignty, we should be launching Constitutional challenge after Constitutional challenge, forcing Westminster to reverse their colonial encroachment and acknowledge Scotland’s Constitutional strength on penalty that if they don’t, we’ll interpret their refusal to mean the Union is at an end.

      Brexit should have been a cast iron case for a Constitutional ultimatum. Respect Scotland’s Sovereign and democratic rejection of Brexit, or the Union is deemed to be breached and at an end.

      Westminster MUST concede, and the Union is dead, or if it doesn’t concede, then the Union is dead as a consequence of unlawful subjugation of a sovereign people’s will.

      Scotland should be a Constitutional minefield for Westminster. Literally have them terrified to mention the word Scotland without getting into trouble. But the point I’m trying to make, is that every man, woman, and child in Scotland should know the location of every mine within that minefield, instantly know the moment Westminster stands on one, and know too the Constitutional consequences and what happens next.

      At the moment, Westminster can drive a bus through the minefield, and when the mines are set off left, right, and centre, Scotland’s people can tell the difference between a mine and a boulder, don’t have any idea of what events mean or the ramifications of them happening. That is where we need much, much, more clarity.

      I’m hoping the Wee ALBA Book will provide Scotland with that unequivocal clarity, and everybody, Unionist and Independentist alike will know without doubt or ambiguity where the finishing line is, and where the Independence threshold actually is.

    253. Republicofscotland says:

      Thank you John Main, as for your point, that’s another bone of contention who to replace Sturgeon that has a backbone, is willing to push the boat out when it comes to Scottish independence, and isn’t afraid to defy Westminster, Sturgeon possesses none of those attributes.

      On removing Sturgeon being difficult because she’s popular, surely demos showing her many failures, failures that the media often skirt over could waken up the Scottish public, especially those wondering why we’ve had half a dozen mandates for an indyref yet there’s been no movement on it for seven years.

      If one demo by 500 women outside Holyrood has the parliament spooked into creating a law without justification or revealing the documentation for it, then imagine what a large demo could do, or large demos outside Bute house. Every demo would get people thinking why are these people demonstrating against our wee lovely FM who wouldn’t hurt a fly.

      Nothing will happen on the indyfront John unless the people of Scotland make it happen. The down side John is that once again Sturgeon has promised to hold an indyref, this time its late 2023, so folk will not rally to the demo cause until this date has passed.

      Sturgeon is also on record saying that if need be, a indyref won’t be held until 2024 (impossible that’s a GE year) or beyond.

      https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-says-covid-may-delay-indyref2-until-2024-947875

    254. Ottomanboi says:

      RON MACLEAN
      «It’s the union with Scotland that holds the decayed Ukanian fabric together. End it, and the unique intimacy between England and Scotland – Alex Salmond’s ‘social union’ – can flourish in a confederation of independent states. End the timed-out union, and allow England to encounter itself at last.»
      Disagree with the quote, the Russians tried a confederation of independent states only to have it fall apart. Independence means looking other than next door for «friends», especially when the neighbour is given to strong arm tactics.
      England and Scotland have never ever been bosom pals. After independence, with its consequences to Britannia’s pride, a relationship even less likely with an England «encountering itself».
      Note. Entente cordiale appears up the spout.

    255. McDuff says:

      Republicofscotland 1.58
      Amen to all that.

    256. wull says:

      The Constitutional Challenge should have been launched during the post Brexit Referendum negotiations while Scotland was still part of the EU (as were England, Northern Ireland and Wales, indeed the whole of the UK).

      In the circumstances where a member state wishes to leave the EU, the EU is obliged to negotiate in a way that is fully compatible with the constitution of that member state. The question of what ‘constitutes’ the UK should have been immediately raised with the EU after the Brexit vote, not least by the SNP government in Holyrood.

      It should have been pointed out to the EU there and then that what constituted the UK was its founding document(s) – the Treaty / Treaties of Union of 1707 – to which could or should be added the Act of Union with Ireland of 1800, subsequently qualified by the 1921 foundation of the Irish Republic (including reference to the arrangement whereby the 6 Counties of Northern Ireland remained, albeit controversially, part of the UK).

      The truth is that the Brexit-EU settlement does not respect the constitution of the UK so defined. It clearly breaches the terms of the Treaties and Acts which founded the UK and on which the UK is based as a legal entity. It is therefore invalid.

      This means that even now – despite the fact that it is so late in the day – the Brexit settlement could and should be challenged in an international court.

    257. Breastplate says:

      RepublicofScotland,
      Yes, regarding Indyref2 Nicola has asked everyone to continue enjoying a nice game of kick the can down the road, into the long grass, after the pandemic or a blue moon until we can correctly describe it as a Neverendum.

      Of course Covid will only affect people voting in a referendum and not a general election or a Holyrood election, funny how the works. Best not concern ourselves with the contradictory stance.

    258. Republicofscotland says:

      Ottomanboi. @3.56pm

      I’ve always thought that Scotland could look North to Sweden and Norway, and across the North sea to Finland and Denmark, and even towards little progressive Iceland, even more so now that these countries have recently elected left of centre parties again.

      Why do we need to always look South, London should hold no great attraction for Scots, it hardly progressive in nature, and of late Brexit and Westminster’s projection of Empire 2.0 should have us looking away, not towards London.

      Scots have more often than not been an outward trading nation, and Scots did business with the Hanseatic League long before the likes of the European nation of Germany existed, we don’t need to rely on looking South, when we can look towards the EU and Scandinavia.

    259. Andy Ellis says:

      @scott Finlayson 8.54 am

      “…..obviously if you object to genocide you are a moon howling nativist speckled in spit bludenboiler.”

      No, only if you make the hyperbolic false equivalence, which only a small minority of Scots accept, that Scotland is or was a colony.

      We’re not laughing with all the blood and soilers, we’re laughing at you. 🙂

    260. Dan says:

      @ wull at 4.39pm

      Aye to that. And especially so when the specific previously won democratic mandate borne of the material change in circumstance kicked in… Scotland being taken out of the EU against its expressed will.

      You’ll no doubt recall past btl discourse starting at this comment a few year’s back Re. Article 49 and possibly more of relevance, Article 48.

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/serving-the-nations/comment-page-1/#comment-2408091

      I’d be interested to hear what btl poster mr thms thinks about our current situation. He (going by the mr) was an occasional poster but generally always interesting, if a little intriguing in their comments.

    261. Ruby says:

      two comments awaiting moderation.
      I’ll try again.

      ‘a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by folk from that country.’

      What does the above describe?

    262. Ruby says:

      It was the S word wot caused my comments to be moderated.

      I changed the S word to folk.
      It wasn’t a swear word just a word to describe folk who come to stay? Can you guess?

      The posh folk who don’t identify as Scottish could be included in ‘folk from another country’

    263. Ruby says:

      Crossword clue:

      Folk who come to stay and could give effective relief from indigestion & heartburn. 8 letters

    264. Veritas says:

      Interesting that it’s suggested we should look to the likes of Denmark & Sweden etc for their supposed “ progressive “ tendencies!
      Has the author read the Danish Govt proposals on “resettling” immigrants ( mainly Muslims) from the “ ghettoes” in which they apparently live & restricting the “ non ethnic” Danish population density in “ ghettoes” to 30%?
      The Danish proposals to suspend welfare payments to immigrants who have not found a job within 6 months?
      June 3rd Danish Govt passed legislation to set up “ internment “ camps OUTSIDE Denmark where asylum seekers will be held whilst their application is processed?
      The Danes like the French ( the entente cordial ) was mentioned have had long standing issues with Islamic dress codes.
      The Swedish Govt has proposals to issue time testricted “ residency “ permits to non EU workers , restricting also their families right to live in Sweden & also requirements to learn & accept the language & culture.
      The expectation is that the proposals will be tightened as it goes through the bill process.
      Finland restricts the hijab in public sector jobs & all opinion polls show that an overwhelming percentage of the population feels that Muslim values are incompatible with Finnish values – so we can guess the direction of political travel there.
      What is it in these policies and attitudes that Scottish Nationalists feel are “ progressive “ compared to U.K. policies?

    265. Breeks says:

      wull says:
      20 September, 2021 at 4:39 pm
      The Constitutional Challenge should have been launched during the post Brexit Referendum negotiations while Scotland was still part of the EU (as were England, Northern Ireland and Wales, indeed the whole of the UK).

      Not just that wull, but if it had been challenged, what % of voters, even Unionist voters, would have objected, or even been surprised?

      Of all Sturgeon’s failures, the nastiest is the conspiracy to destroy Alex Salmond, but the most grievous against Scotland was her cowardly capitulation over Brexit when Independence was there for the taking.

    266. Ruby says:

      Veritas says:
      20 September, 2021 at 6:27 pm
      Interesting that it’s suggested we should look to the likes of Denmark & Sweden etc for their supposed “ progressive “ tendencies!
      Has the author read the Danish Govt proposals on “resettling” immigrants ( mainly Muslims) from the “ ghettoes” in which they apparently live & restricting the “ non ethnic” Danish population density in “ ghettoes” to 30%?

      Reply

      That sounds like a good idea. The more people mix & integrate the fewer problems there will be.

      I don’t understand why we have so many different communities in Scotland what’s wrong with people living together?

    267. Robert Louis says:

      O/T

      In oder to find out just how much of a mess BREXIT has made of the UK, you simply cannot find out from the UK so-called ‘journalists’. You definitely won’t get any idea from the propagandists working at the propagandist BBC in Scotland, who have collectively forgotten entirely about brexit, what it is and what it means. No, instead to really understand what is going on in the hell created by Alexander Boris De Pfeffle Johnson and his gang of Tory thugs, you need the foreign media.

      Here is an example. CNN in one single article describe exactly the utter incompetence of England’s Tory government. Worth reading right to the end. Contrast and compare with the sanitised p*sh produced within the UK.

      CNN is right though, brexit is affecting everybody except England’s Johnson.

      LINK: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/12/business/brexit-reality-bites-in-britain-intl-gbr-cmd/index.html

      And, in case it is ‘disappeared’, here is the archive

      LINK: https://archive.is/kRgSY

      Despite ALL this, Nicola Sturgeon, our ‘waste of space’ First Minister will still do nothing. Scotland needs independence now, not in three years – or whenever the SNP think they might get around to it.

    268. Ruby says:

      Veritas says:

      The Danish proposals to suspend welfare payments to immigrants who have not found a job within 6 months?

      Reply

      What’s wrong with that?

    269. Ron Maclean says:

      @Ottomanboi 3:58pm

      I used a quote from a well-known, reputable author because I wanted to widen the independence debate. It doesn’t seem to have moved much since 2014. I would have made a narrower argument than you against confederation so thank you for adding to it.

    270. Ruby says:

      Veritas says:
      20 September, 2021 at 6:27 pm

      The Swedish Govt has proposals to issue time restricted “ residency “ permits to non EU workers , restricting also their families right to live in Sweden & also requirements to learn & accept the language & culture.

      Reply

      I don’t see anything wrong with that either.

    271. @Ruby,

      i assume to answer your word question would result in the answer being put in moderation,

      it`s a Catch 22 question,

      to answer it would mean you can`t answer it:)

    272. Republicofscotland says:

      Veritas @6.27pm.

      Yes I’ve had a look at the Danish proposals on immigration, I wonder if they got the idea from Priti Patel, isn’t the UK planning on something similar, no matter. I don’t particularly agree with it in Denmark or the UK. However as an independent nation I still believe we’d be better served tilting towards our Nordic neighbours, some of whom we’d be closer to if we joined EFTA.

      The likes of Denmark, Norway and Finland have similar populations to Scotland with less natural resources (Norway aside) yet the few regressive policies aside, the nations appear to be quite successful, Scotland and England, (and Wales) will always share this island, and hopefully on friendly terms, but Scotland and England are two different countries, that in my opinion have been drifting apart for decades politically.

    273. Ruby says:

      Scot Finlayson says:
      20 September, 2021 at 7:34 pm
      @Ruby,

      i assume to answer your word question would result in the answer being put in moderation,

      it`s a Catch 22 question,

      to answer it would mean you can`t answer it:)

      Reply

      🙂

    274. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      20 September, 2021 at 8:46 pm
      Veritas @6.27pm.

      Yes I’ve had a look at the Danish proposals on immigration, I wonder if they got the idea from Priti Patel, isn’t the UK planning on something similar, no matter. I don’t particularly agree with it in

      Reply

      What is it you find wrong with the Danish proposals on immigration?

    275. Shug says:

      Any guesses at what it is the unionists have over Sturgeon
      She is doing such a grand job for them and they in turn support her
      What is it they have on her

    276. Geoff Anderson says:

      Sturgeon has spent a great deal of money keeping two secrets – secret. What do you think the Unionists have on her!!!

    277. willie says:

      Super injunctions are things that you cannot talk about.

      They can probably put you in jail for disclosing a super injunction.

      Sound like a great device to keep things you don’t want known a secret. Super in fact. Just like Prince Phillips will to be a secret for 99 years to protect the dignity of the Queen, and only then might it be unsealed.

      The queen must be scheduling to live to 198 years old. Wonder how long Queen Nicola is going to last.

      Or what about Alex Salmond. To use the vernacular he seems to get blown in.

      Does anyone know a secret?

    278. Veritas says:

      Swedish unemployment rate- 9%
      Norwegian 5%
      Denmark 4.2%
      Finland 9.6%
      Scotland 4.3%
      Any other real life stats you want to compare apart from the populations?
      There is no economic “ Nordic “ model- its a fantasy.
      There are obvious cultural links between them & we Scots but there are distinct and material differences.
      eg never call a Norwegian a Scandinavian
      eg Norway has a Sovereign Wealth Fund & owns 2% of world wealth
      eg after Nokia Finland owns ****all
      eg Sweden, Denmark & Norway have huge multinational corporations
      eg Scotland has no multinational- does Scotland have any FTSE listed company?
      We could go on and on.
      It’s a lazy, baseless claim to a future Scotland-“ we could try and be like those happy rich Nordic types”- we have our own assets and deficits- as does each of the “ Nordic” countries and they utilise them differently – what are ours? How do we exploit the former and mini minimise the latter?
      The plan has to be more than let’s be more fecking Nordic- I’ve been there I don’t like it!

    279. David Caledonia says:

      21st September 2021 00:33

    280. Sensible Dave says:

      Robert Louise 6.44pm

      You Wrote: “Worth reading right to the end. Contrast and compare with the sanitised p*sh produced within the UK.”

      Robert, I didn’t vote for Brexit, however, I would make a couple of points.

      Firtly, the points raised in the CNN article are the same ones being raised by the MSM over here, i.e. Truck drivers, food shortages, etc.

      Secondly, and as you well know, there are truck driver shortages across Europe too causing supply chain issues there – is that Brexit too?

      As an aside, I am somewhat amused about the headlines regarding the shortages of CO2! You might be forgiven for thinking that CO2 was vital as plant food and food production (as opposed to being responsible for the end of humanity?). Oh the irony!

    281. John Main says:

      @Veritas – 20 September, 2021 at 10:51 pm

      Interesting stats and you make some good points after.

      I would be interested in the following stats for the Nordic countries:

      Average weekly wage
      Average tax take (as a % of wage)

      Average home rental (as a % of wage)

      Waiting time to see GP
      Waiting time for hospital appointment (non-emergency)

      Price of a pint
      Price of a short

      In reality, I suspect the last two could be quite important in determining if an Independent Scotland would wish to adopt a Nordic model.

      Always assuming Scotland is Independent of course. As an “independent” EU member, about the only thing under our full control would be the price of booze. Freedom of movement would drive the first two down and the next three up in unpredictable and uncontrollable ways.

    282. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:08 am

      I would be interested in the following stats for the Nordic countries:

      Reply

      Why?

    283. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:08 am

      Price of a pint
      Price of a short

      In reality, I suspect the last two could be quite important in determining if an Independent Scotland would wish to adopt a Nordic model.

      Reply

      Why do you say that?

    284. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      An example of how things were handled in Denmark…

      https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1439927051297988613

    285. Ruby says:

      Bloody Brexit!

      ‘How post-Brexit bureaucracy is driving up the cost of UK gardening
      It now takes 59 steps to import a petunia from the Netherlands, the horticultural sector has warned’

    286. Ruby says:

      FFS

      “Britain may revert to the imperial system as part of its plans to ‘capitalize on new Brexit freedoms'”

    287. Ruby says:

      Bloody Brexit!

      ‘According to the Office for National Statistics, the total number of job vacancies in the UK reached a record high in the last quarter. As Mayor, I’m using my powers to help Londoners get the skills they need for the jobs in the industries that are experiencing major shortages. But it’s simply impossible for us and businesses across the city to train up the numbers of workers needed in such a short space of time.

      That’s why I’m calling on the Government to change its immigration system so that it meets our economic needs.”

    288. Geoff Anderson says:

      Brexit!

      If you think London will ever let the truth be told you must be deluded.
      The article below is a year old but an insight to the old empire mindset still dominant in London.

      Despite the evidence of every country under Empire Rule being lied to and cheated even after they left – Sturgeon wants to be polite and respectful.

      In case you missed it.

      https://archive.is/xYFUJ

    289. Ruby says:

      Bloody Brexit

      ‘Maggots and mayhem: behind the scenes of Britain’s big bin crisis

      First, and most significant, is Brexit. EU HGV drivers are no longer able to obtain visas to work in the UK. The Road Haulage Association (RHA) estimates that nearly 20,000 European HGV drivers returned to EU countries in 2020.”

    290. Pixywine says:

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/bc2RtzYj1v9y/
      So this is good for our health is it?

    291. Ruby says:

      FFS Here’s Pixywine with yet another video from The Outback.

    292. Geoff Anderson says:

      Ruby@ 8:45

      The ONS compile reports based on the information they have. If you withhold data, reclassify data then you distort the report.

      The link on my post above shows how files have been hidden. A FOI request or a ONS report is useless if the Government branches are hiding information.

    293. David Caledonia says:

      21st September 2021 09:05

      Abat-jour

    294. Geoff Anderson says:

      The Pixywine continues the attempt to replace David Iyke

    295. Ruby says:

      David Caledonia says:
      21 September, 2021 at 9:05 am
      21st September 2021 09:05

      Abat-jour

      Reply

      Bonjour

    296. David Caledonia says:

      I have never been to Norway, never wanted to visit Norway, have no intention of ever going to Norway
      Suddenly Norway seems to be important in relation to Scotland and our future

      W H Y !

    297. Robert graham says:

      Aye just started your shift Mr Anderson ?

      Now Why does the name Mr Anderson ring a bell ( the Matrix ) maybe ?

      Anyway explain this Mr Anderson why were there 10 times fewer deaths attributed to the Plague before the wonderful Serum than after this cure was being administered.

      Before the Cure ( figures as a example and not exact ) before the Cure 100 after the Cure 1000 either the Cure ain’t working or the Cure is causing the 10 fold increase .

      As for your constant attention to Pixwine and anyone else who are just trying to get the message out and showing people what the media are covering up is that your task you job I have noticed you are not alone they are quite a few up to the same tricks and all doing the same thing discrediting anyone who dares to try and get people to turn off the daily propaganda headlines and start to think for themselves .

      Now you have a nice day Mr Anderson.

    298. @David Caledonia,

      Norway is of equivalent population with equivalent oil resouces,

      it is also the most democratic country in the world,

      even though it limits its voting franchise to citizens,

      Norway shows what can be done when we get independence,

      Norway also is not perfect and neither will be an independent Scotland.

    299. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here’s the President of Croatia explaining why his country will not be going along with the vaccination roll-out any further.

      Population is 4.3 million, overall vaccinated is approx 50%.

      https://twitter.com/risemelbourne/status/1440229774140448773

    300. Dan says:

      @ David Caledonia at 9.15am

      Re. Norway and Scotland:
      It’s relative because it highlights how things can be done differently.
      Norway’s Sovereign Oil Fund being an example of what prudent governance can achieve.
      And before any twat starts with the oil is running out or we can’t burn it twaddle. There’s loads still in the ground, and in the global scheme of things Scotland makes up only a small percentage of oil production and consumption.
      Better we had control of that resource so any revenues created from it could help invest and diversify into renewables energy production which we also have massive potential for.
      Maybe you haven’t looked at any of the power related links I drop into comments. Under London Rule, Scotland is going to get shafted over renewables the same way it got shafted with the oil and gas.
      We’re a net exporter of various types of energy, yet we still have folk living in fuel poverty.

    301. Republicofscotland says:

      “The plan has to be more than let’s be more fecking Nordic- I’ve been there I don’t like it!”

      Veritas @10.51pm.

      Oh right you don’t like it, oh well we’d better not look towards those countries to see if there are any good ideas, lets keep you happy and stay London centric.

      Of the nine smallest nations by population across the European Economic Area, Scotland’s economy is bigger than the smallest seven put together.

      AS far as I’m aware, similar sized countries to our that have a greater GDP include some of those nations I mentioned, Norway £322bn, Ireland £291bn Denmark £264 Finland £209bn, as part of the UK Scotland lags behind these similar size countries, some (Not Norway) don’t have the natural resources that Scotland has, what would be wrong in tilting towards them to find out how they’ve managed to do rather well without the resources on that an independent Scotland will have.

      What would be so wrong in looking across the North sea to see how these small agile independent nations, which have tailored their policies to suits their needs, could a newly independent Scotland not learn something from them. The likes of Luxembourg, Denmark and even little Iceland have higher state pensions than the UK. and income inequality (Gini Coefficient) is much greater in the UK than the countries I’ve mentioned, again could we not learn something from these countries.

    302. David Caledonia says:

      So energy prices are set to rise

      Well I do as I normally do when something rises in price, I either find a cheaper alternative or stop buying the product
      Now, you can’t really save on energy costs, but you can use it as little as possible
      For instance, I pay 28 quid a month for my gas through the bank, and its well in profit, why is it in profit, because I am seldom in my house to use a lot of gas
      I could afford 100 quid a month no problem, but I like to do my bit and use very little energy when I am in the house, I have no young kids to worry about, so I can go to my bed and read a book, one of my fav things to do anyway, I go to bed about 1am and rise between 6 and 9 am
      I am always busy doing something, my next project is to spray my outside walls with masonary paint, ( brilliant white I think ) should look brilliant, well that’s what it says on the tin lol
      Just as an afterthought, wind turbines are useless unless its windy, but wavepower is there all the time, go to any coast in scotland and most of the year you would get blown away especially if you do a Mary Poppins and put your brolly up.
      Many years ago I read that scotland produces more energy than we need, and yet our bills get increased every year, when you look at the name Scottish Power, think Spanish Power, because its ownned by a spanish company, so every penny you save on using your electric is one penny less that they have to give to their shareholders, and that is why I use electricity as little as possible
      As the famous Mr Getty once said, you don’t become a millionaire by giving money away, I have no wish to fill shareholders pockets with my money, money that can do good elsewhere like save the children, diabetes, cancer research etc etc etc
      Help your fav charity, even 50 pence a week helps, that won’t even buy a newspaper per day, go on, you know it makes sense

      50 pence a week, just over seven pence a day

    303. stonefree says:

      @ Effigy at 1:19 pm

      Gas? In around 1997 Private Eye had an article on British Gas and their “Direct Debits” Scheme it pointed out that scheme generated a surplus of £6 million a day, every day by various methods.One of which was overcharging, (I did keep the article for a long while ,and did phone PE to see if it was archived about 3 years ago. With no result)
      There is little to stop a Scottish Government nationalising energy, the French do it (to an extent)
      Musk produces the cheapest energy in California, pop about 40 million
      There is little actually motivate any party to proceed,
      Piece of crap Brian Wilson has made a fortune out of a overused and really obsolete piece of junk 8 miles up the road,

    304. Geoff Anderson says:

      To the Pixy Whine fan club

      “many conspiracy-theory believers consider themselves to be critical thinkers, closely examining their evidence might help them see otherwise, For example, does all the conspiracy-theory-related material come from one type of source, while non-conspiracy-theory information comes from different sources? That can be a clue that something is off.”

      You are not critical thinkers. You are lazy. You regurgitate material that goes round in a circle on the Internet. The study of conspiracy nuts highlights the conviction that you are right and must save the World.

      It it truly impossible that you are wrong? The answer Yes proves how far you have fallen down the rabbit hole!

      I’ll let you get back to your “doom-scrolling”

    305. David Caledonia says:

      The scots have nothing to learn from anyone, my granny ran a house on pennies, imagine what the likes of her could have done with our resources today.
      Liars and rogues hold scotland back and we don’t have to go far to see them, the gravy train stops in edinburgh, or in Sturgeons case, her taxpayers funded limo

    306. David Caledonia says:

      your wasting your time their Geoff
      Sky News Australia never gets a mention from the whiner, I gave up there a long time ago, stupidly dogmatic never will understand that a coin has two sides to look at

    307. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Sensible Dave says: at 7:18 am

      “Robert, I didn’t vote for Brexit, however, I would make a couple of points.

      Firtly, the points raised in the CNN article are the same ones being raised by the MSM over here, i.e. Truck drivers, food shortages, etc.

      Secondly, and as you well know, there are truck driver shortages across Europe too causing supply chain issues there – is that Brexit too?”
      ————————————–

      There are some shortages with truck drivers over here in Europe but nothing like the UK. A lot of the UK drivers were foreigners who have decided to stay away from the UK because of the Brexit rules an’regs, they are now easing any shortages here.

      We’re not having any particular food shortages here unless you read the UK MSM who are doing their best to find anything to divert from your own stupidity by leaving.

      Brexit, you can’t even get enough supplies through Calais-Dover because of it..!

    308. Dan says:

      @ David Caledonia

      Sounds like your personal financial circumstances are of an acceptable and comfortable level, and you also still have your health. Many others aren’t as fortunate though for various reasons, and those in such precarious or vulnerable situations aren’t necessarily because of their own choices. You may want to consider that, unless of course you are an “I’m alright, fuck everyone else kinda guy”.

      And by the way, wave power isn’t there all the time. Some days the sea is flat calm. You probably meant tidal power. There’s a very significant difference between the two.
      Wave power generators, like wind turbines are inherently compromised in their design because they have to be built to withstand the absolute extremes of conditions.
      However, once you go down through the surface splash zone the tidal currents do not experience these wild swings, and they are consistently within far more constrained levels. This means the tidal current power generators can be built to perform more efficiently as they aren’t overbuilt to cope with a once in a hundred year storm surge.

    309. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Ruby says: at 8:39 am

      FFS

      “Britain may revert to the imperial system as part of its plans to ‘capitalize on new Brexit freedoms’”
      —————————-
      Can you just imagine how the suppliers in Europe and the rest of the world are going to be laughing themselves stupid when the Brits try to order products in imperial measures or try to sell them. 🙂

      You’ll be the laughing stock of the world.

    310. Breastplate says:

      Geoff Anderson,
      Do you believe everyone should be vaccinated?
      If so, why?
      If not, why not?

    311. TheBuchanLoony says:

      Too Wee, Too Poor?…https://archive.ph/kYN2d
      Markus Krebber of Germany’s energy giant RWE says “The UK’s(read ‘Scotland’s’) abundant wind supplies give it an edge over other nations in being able to supply clean energy, he believes. That could help businesses who have long complained that energy costs more in Britain than Europe, and are now battling the soaring costs.
      If you are able to deliver to industries green energy at competitive prices, you are very attractive for industrial sites,” he says. “I think the UK(Scotland) has a huge advantage. It is an island with a lot of offshore wind potential.”
      Krebber adds: “In discussions with the industry, I always like to distinguish what is the target picture and what is the transformation path.
      When you look at the transformation path, you see all the challenges. But when you look at the target picture and say, let’s assume we’re going to have green energy supply by 2045 or 2040. Will the average cost of energy be higher than today? No, because the technology is already competitive.”

    312. Sensible Dave says:

      Graf Midgehunter 10:33 am

      You wrote “Can you just imagine how the suppliers in Europe and the rest of the world are going to be laughing themselves stupid when the Brits try to order products in imperial measures or try to sell them. ?”

      … Haha. Your comment is just like the worst type of tabloid journalism!

      Is Britain really “reverting” to imperial measurements? Or might the law be changing to stop it being a criminal offence to advertise sales in imperial measurements if someone wants to ???? You know, freedom of speech and all that?

      Us oldies will die off in the coming years and the floor will be clear for those that only think in metric terms until then, I’m sure I will still be able to order a pint?

      Heaven forbid that folk might order a pint, observe 30 MPH speed limits, or quote their car in miles per gallon.

      BTW, don’t the USA use inches, feet, yards, miles, Lbs and gallons?

      Keep stirring things up with the faux grievance stuff! 🙂

    313. Ian Brotherhood says:

      What’s happening in Melbourne can’t be ignored, but also remarkable stuff happening elsewhere.

      I mean, really, when did you last hear about Swiss folk kicking up fuck about anything?

    314. Breastplate says:

      Sensibledave,
      I think England should be able to be as regressive as they want after they are independent.
      Standing on their own 2 feet is something that they should aspire to.

    315. Sensible Dave says:

      Breastplate

      Its “regressive” to order a pint? … or talk about miles per hour?

      You do make me laugh! You must all sit there all day scouring the MSM (which none of you claim to read!) looking for something to be outraged or offended about! And then next – you complain about the awful snowflakery in the SNP.

      Pots and kettles eh!

    316. Pixywine says:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww
      Hey Brigadoon. See what’s going on in the real world.

    317. Pixywine says:

      We have abundant oil and gas supplies. Any shortages are engineered and entirely political.

    318. Pixywine says:

      Blow it out your arse Geof. You’re clueless

    319. Hatuey says:

      The vaccine works in terms of preventing serious illness. Anyone that disputes that is anti-science. It could have helped reduce the spread too, in theory it should have, but I’ve seen data that suggests the opposite is true based on behaviour.

      The vaccine-sceptics would bolster their credibility if they conceded some of these things and admitted they were wrong.

      The one thing they have left and are clinging to for dear life is the claim that we don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. I’ve seen this argument deployed in a clinical context several times over the years, most famously with vaping as a replacement to smoking.

      Would you believe I literally watched reps for the tobacco industry argue that we shouldn’t endorse vaping because we don’t know the long-term health effects?

      It’s the same sort of situation. Vaping has saved millions of lives.

    320. Pixywine says:

      The extent to which people on here have swallowed the “covid” narrative is breathtaking. A disease that was no more lethal than a flu and was downgraded in April 2020 as the disease was on the wane. But frightened old ladies like Geof Anderson insisted on being locked down and our children vaccinated and their life chances scuppered because frightened old cowards like Geof Anderson are in clover while the world is being taken away from the rest of us. Geof fully lives down to the stereotypical mean spirited Sctsman which is a shame because I see a lot of that fear induced mean spirited Ness in Scotland. First Minister is the epitome of that mean spirited nature. Its clear by now that covid is essentially harmless to most of us. Those who are vulnerable should take the usual precautions and the rest of the world needs to get on with living.
      The climate agenda is being woven into the covid agenda. Can no one see the problem there.
      Geof you frightened old lady you’ll feel safe when the whole world is permanently locked down. What degraded humanity. Mind and get all your shots you dog.

    321. Pixywine says:

      Hatuey. You’re wrong. Vaccine doesn’t confer immunity. It’s making people sick. Are you getting paid a wage for shilling that shit. Stop fucking insulting us.

    322. Hatuey says:

      I didn’t say it conferred immunity, pixy. I said it prevents serious illness. It also reduces symptoms which means a lot of people are spreading it without knowing. It’s complicated.

      In terms of making people sick, we’d like to see our data on that. Where is it?

    323. Pixywine says:

      With thousands of people killed by heart attacks, strokes and other blood clotting disorders and Hatstand making bogus claims to have “science” I would say we have more than unknown future consequences. The damage is happening to vaccine recipients NOW not some vague time in the future. It’s happening now and idiots like Hatstand can Bury their heads in shit all they like but that doesn’t change the fact that the damage is being done NOW. Also there is the question of compulsion the assumed lack of autonomy and physical sovereignty. Hatstand is a lightweight who doesn’t understand that kind of thing. He is wedded to what he is told is ” the Science”. Everyone of intelligence knows that science should always be open to question. When people claim ” concensus* in science what they actually have is political concensus
      Funny how Bozo Johnson won’t listen to” the science” when “the science” advises against injecting children with the “vaccine”
      You cowards are treating children as disease vectors. Disgusting humiliating behaviour. Just disgusting.

    324. James says:

      Graf Midgehunter: “Can you just imagine how the suppliers in Europe and the rest of the world are going to be laughing themselves stupid when the Brits try to order products in imperial measures or try to sell them.
      You’ll be the laughing stock of the world”.

      Graf, as you know;
      we’re already the laughing stock of the world.

    325. Hatuey says:

      Data, pixy. Where is it?

    326. Pixywine says:

      Hatstand. Refer to the Governments yellow card scheme or the American VAERS reporting system. The figures are not complete because not all injuries are being recorded.. You know that information is out there although it’s being made more difficult to access. When have we ever been so censored?

    327. Dan says:

      World’s largest floating windfarm completed off Scotland

      https://archive.is/oqV3T

      Word on the street is Scotland is uniquely able to harvest quite so much renewable wind power because of the seemingly endless blasts of hot air being emitted by SNP politicians and activists, saying “Indy is just round the corner, honest”, and “Scotland won’t be pulled out the EU against its will”…

    328. Geoff Anderson says:

      Come on Pixy – where is the data!

    329. Pixywine says:

      What’s wrong with Imperial Measurement? Nothing. Only virtue signalling assholes would despise Imperial Measurements and before you get on your high horses that measurement pre dates the British Empire by several thousand years.

    330. Breastplate says:

      Hatuey,
      We have already had a discussion about vaccine escape (I think it was Professor Corey) and how mass vaccinations fuel different variants.
      Dr Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology explains why this happens here
      youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg

      He also agrees with your opinion that not everyone should be vaccinated and again explains why this is dangerous and counter productive in the interview.

      The vaccine does not stop infection of the virus.
      The vaccine does not stop the spread of the virus.

      The best and only claim we have for the vaccine is that it may mitigate some of the symptoms for a limited time.

      I see you’re not pleased with the deployment of unknown long term effects as an argument against the uptake of the vaccine, well that’s just tough but it is by no means the only reason that people are hesitant about this vaccine, there are more.

    331. Pixywine says:

      Back to work for me. My bitches need keeping an eye on

    332. Geoff Anderson says:

      Bring back Imperial measures!

      Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters (SRBs) were limited in width to 4 feet 8.5 inches wide.

      Why?

      The boosters were manufactured in Utah and were to be shipped to Kennedy Space Center here in FL via rail. So, the boosters couldn’t be any wider than standard gauge railroads which are 4 feet 8.5 inches wide.

      Why are they 4 feet 8.5 inches wide?

      At the advent of American rail, the rail infrastructure was built by English expatriates. And that’s the width rails were built in the U.K.

      Interesting. Why is that?

      The first English railways were built by the same folks who built pre-railroad tramways. Those builders used the same jigs in railway construction that they did in building the tram wagons.

      Ok — why were the tram wagon wheels set at 4 feet 8.5 inches wide?

      So that they would fit in the ruts of the very old, long distance roads — the ruts of those roads were just about 4 feet 8.5 inches wide.

      Ohhkay… why is that?

      Those first roads were built by and for the Roman Empire — in order to expand the empire, they needed roads for transport — soldiers had to travel.

      Sure… but did they build rutted roads?

      Of course not. Who would do such a thing? They traveled by horse drawn chariot. All the chariots were made to the same specification, their wheels wore the ruts into the roads.

      Ah. Why where the chariot wheels spaced at 4 feet 8.5 inches then?

      The chariot specs were designed for a chariot to be drawn by two horses. The width of the chariots’ wheels needed to accommodate the widest part of the horses — their asses. The ruts just happened over time.

      That’s right, the SRBs of the space shuttle were limited in size by a decision thousands of years ago to mass produce the Roman Empire’s chariots that would be drawn by two horses, roughly 4 feet 8.5 inches wide.

      This is an illustration of what’s known as path dependence and lock-in.

    333. Socrates MacSporran says:

      A wee aside on Imperial measures.

      I am quite addicted to the TV programme Kindig Customs, on Discovery.

      This programme is set in Salt Lake City, Utah. In Monday night’s episode, one of the fabricators was complaining, some of the other workers think he’s strange – because he’s the only guy in the whole shop with a metric tape measure.

    334. Hatuey says:

      Pixy, i don’t think you understand what you’re saying. I look at yellow card data at least once per week and have been doing so for months now. It suggests there’s very little to worry about in terms of vaccine side effects.

      The reason I’m against vaccinating kids, incidentally, has little to do with side effects. The virus itself doesn’t pose enough of a danger to kids to warrant vaccination.

      The only argument they have for vaccinating kids, which they are being slightly more honest about now, is that it might help towards reducing infection rates as a whole. I don’t think that argument carries much weight.

    335. Hatuey says:

      Breastplate: “We have already had a discussion about vaccine escape (I think it was Professor Corey) and how mass vaccinations fuel different variants.”

      That’s theoretical. There are countervailing arguments that are too complicated to explain here.

      Note though that the worst variants we have right now came out of unvaccinated populations and that includes delta.

    336. Captain Yossarian says:

      @Geoff Anderson – Well done and well written. I doubt if anyone else knew that.

    337. Breastplate says:

      Hatuey,
      You are quite correct, kids don’t need to be vaccinated because they already have protection from the negative effects of virus via their immune systems.

      It is already accepted fact in the medical world that being vaccinated will not stop you spreading the virus.
      Dr Malone also talks about multiple vaccinations, boosters and high zone tolerance that would mean that vaccinated people carry a higher viral load to spread to others.

      Now, if you agree that kids shouldn’t be vaccinated because they don’t need to be, would it not follow that people who don’t need to be vaccinated, shouldn’t be vaccinated?

    338. John Main says:

      @Hatuey says – 21 September, 2021 at 11:32 am

      “The one thing they have left and are clinging to for dear life is the claim that we don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine.”

      Well duh, Hatuey. That’s intrinsic to the idea of “long-term”.

      Get back to me when sufficient years have passed for us to agree that long-term could be said to have expired. I will settle on 10 years myself, but perhaps experts would disagree on that, preferring 20 or even 30. Assuming just one jab per year, that’s a total of 30 shots.

      BTW, I am sure it has been pointed out already that over 20 different Covid vaccines are now in use world-wide. Why would anybody assume that they all have identical characteristics and side-effects, whether immediate or long-term? For starters, the claimed Covid immunity differs between vaccines, so they can’t all be the same.

      We will all be injected multiple times, with different vaccines, tailored in the future to target emerging Covid variants. Meantime, most of us will inevitably have a dose or two of the real Covid McCoy to survive, if we are lucky. You really have to be a glass over-brimming full kind of guy to think we should have no concerns whatsoever about this scenario long-term.

    339. robertknight says:

      On the subject of shortages in the EU, M&S closed their outlets in France…

      “Marks & Spencer has blamed Brexit for the closure of 11 of its French stores. The UK retail giant is struggling to stock the stores with fresh and chilled products due to supply chain problems”

      Bollocks!

      They sell a damned sight more than just “fresh and chilled products”.

      What’s more likely to be the reason is that French consumers are not prepared to splash their Euros on products emblazoned with Union Jacks.

      I have every sympathy… I wince every time I step into my local Co-op. Union-Jackery galore!

    340. Ron Maclean says:

      Here’s your chance for a decent read and good comments too – ‘Forget about 2014’ – Mike Small on bellacaledonia.org.uk

    341. Ron Maclean says:

      Looks like Pixywine’s holding off the Leadership challengers.

    342. John Main says:

      @Geoff Anderson – 21 September, 2021 at 12:13 pm

      “Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters (SRBs) were limited in width to 4 feet 8.5 inches wide.

      Why?”

      That’s a wonderful story Geoff. If only it was true.

      According to NASA, the SRBs were 12 feet 2 inches in diameter.

      There’s a wealth of data available online. Fascinating stuff if you are into that sort of thing. And yes, being NASA, it’s all in feet, pounds, miles (nautical and statute), etc.

      What have the Romans ever done for us? They did not limit the diameter of the Space Shuttle SRB’s, no way do they have to take the blame for that.

    343. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland .
      Breeks.

      I have been observing the the comments since I first posted yesterday,
      And there are some good comments,
      But a lot of confusion,

      First the Scottish devolved government is uk, British, not Scottish, all that is in it swears an oath of allegiance to the crown, the Queen,.
      Therefore follows their dictates, the overseer position is to the master, Westminster. It is subordinate to Westminster, it only exists due to the permission of Westminster for the Scottish people to have a vote on wether they wanted a devolved government,
      The Scottish Parliament is the equivalent to fools gold to the Scottish people.

      If we the sovereign people of Scotland recognised and understood the power of our sovereignty, we would not be in a insubordinate position as people.

      Yes, I do agree the population of Scotland has to wake up, fight back, and challenge not only Westminster but the fools gold sub branch of Westminster in Scotland.

      If you are saying we are where we are, in our position, you are acknowledging defeatism, before we have started to look at alternatives,

      We should be able to march, and I agree it should not be a mild AOUB Scottish flag waving banner held march.
      It should have flags and banners that say [WE the Scottish ] people are withdrawing from the treaty of the union on a certain date,.

      Many reasons can be put forward for this statement.

      We either accept colonism or we do not.
      We are sovereign people or we are not,
      The Scottish Parliament is either ours or it is not,
      We either have as much right to march as others or we do not.

      I foresee covid rules and lockdowns being used as a suppressor to stop independence marches in the near future,
      And this will be a big deciding factor in wether you or I recognise our sovereignty above UK health laws that are aiding and abetting NS and Holyrude politically in use for control over the Scots.

      Any march or protest will reflected in that one issue very soon,
      If people are insubordinate to uk and NS government they will stay at home, wether they have been vaccinated or not, mainly out of fear,
      This is where people here whom cheerleading others into being locked in lockdowns or passported worry myself considerably if only a small per-portioned of the population act sovereign,
      You either follow uk rules and lose sovereignty, or sovereignty rises and people use common sense individually.
      Colonism is in the mind, Sovereignty is written,

      IF we are where we are legally, held to UKs selectively devolved government, plus Uks. (Which I do not believe to be so,)
      We have to use the claim of right as sovereign people to assert our position of sovereignty.

      Because the Scottish people are sovereign not parliament. Especially to a second hand devolved parliament.

      And on that note,
      It is up to us to withdraw from the treaty of the union,
      Not up to Holyrude, the UN, or Westminster.
      Sovereign people can not legally be bracketed as UDI.

      We are either sovereign or we are not?
      Seeking permission to be sovereign, is nonsense. Hogwash.

      Sovereign people do not ask someone else for sovereignty.

    344. Derek says:

      Hatuey says:
      21 September, 2021 at 11:32 am

      “Vaping has saved millions of lives.”

      No, it hasn’t. People stopping smoking has.

    345. Hatuey says:

      Breastplate: “if you agree that kids shouldn’t be vaccinated because they don’t need to be, would it not follow that people who don’t need to be vaccinated, shouldn’t be vaccinated?”

      Of course, that’s axiomatic. The problem is that it’s difficult to identify who those people are when you get away from the age-related poles.

    346. Scott says:

      O/T

      Muriel Gray is to stand down from the board of governors at Glasgow School of Art.

      If you get invited to her leaving do, probably best to stand near a fire-exit.

    347. Dan says:

      @ Hatuey at 3:15 pm

      It’s also difficult to identify those that may have underlying un-diagnosed health issues which mean the “vaccine” may not be suitable for them, seeing as folk haven’t been able to access proper health service provision for a couple of years.
      But fuck it, spaff cash and time on colourful enameled badges because pronouns, that’ll sort it, aye…

      Back in the day there used to be a scratch test to see if the vaccine for TB was appropriate for each individual.
      As one in three folk apparently can be asymptomatic if infected with covid because their own immune system can deal with it, has there been any test developed to identify such individuals rather than just blanket jag everyone?
      I recall speaking to a family that had all been ill and hospitalised with covid like symptoms over the festive season in 2019. They were contacted months later by the hospital administration and asked if they would be willing to come in and give samples which could be checked for covid antibodies. At that time there was thoughts that blood from those who had had covid might have potential for treating others.

    348. Pixywine says:

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/obdI7tgKLtA/
      If this kind of thing is being replicated in all medical facilities then we have a problem.

    349. Scott says:

      Dan says:
      21 September, 2021 at 3:47 pm

      Back in the day there used to be a scratch test to see if the vaccine for TB was appropriate for each individual.


      The “6 pricks” as it was known at my school.

      Some of the boys tried to produce a scab, so they wouldn’t need to take the TB jag. The guidance teacher lectured us all with tales of the TB wards from way back when to highlight the danger to health and how fucking stupid those boys were.

    350. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @2.37pm.

      Dan.

      That killing of the raptor is just the tip of a huge iceberg that sees, thousands of Scots fauna killed every year to allow grousing estates to artificially manage and sterlise the land of all Stoats, Weasels, Raptors, Hedgehogs, Hares, Crows, Ravens and dozens of other indigenous species so that chinless wonders often from foreign shores, can come to Scotland and blast the small semi-flightless birds known as Grouse.

      The Scottish government has badly managed our flora and fauna, right now the SNP government has allowed over 80 Beavers to be culled with licences being issue to cull many more, our Mountain Hares and Hen Harriers are relentlessly killed, as are our Ravens.

      Th Scottish government is far too gutless to take on the owners of these estates, and prefers to sabre rattle or issue statements that Scotland’s animals will not be persecuted, however very few if any prosecutions of grousing estate owners have taken place.

      Just 500 people own half of Scotland’s land, if I recall correctly, one wonders how that came about how Scotland was carved up right under the noses of Scots, and our Scottish governments since devolution have as far as I know avoided land reform, infact Sturgeon voted with the Tories and against Andy Wightman’s proposals on land reform.

      I’m afraid Dan our glorious wildlife such as Sea eagles, will continue to be persecuted on the Grousing estates, and indeed by some farmers as well, until a Scottish government comes to power that has a backbone.

    351. Breeks says:


      James Che. says:
      21 September, 2021 at 2:12 pm

      I have been observing the the comments since I first posted yesterday,
      And there are some good comments,
      But a lot of confusion,

      First the Scottish devolved government is uk, British, not Scottish, all that is in it swears an oath of allegiance to the crown, the Queen…

      That’s true, but is it correct?

      I refer you back to my old sovereignty arguments:- Red sovereignty from the flesh and blood of the actual Scottish people, white sovereignty from the English doctrine of divine sovereignty from God, floating about on a big white cloud. The symbolism is just a token illustration. You can forget about blood and clouds allegory if you like, the point is, you have a red option, and a white option.

      So what is Holyrood? Is it red sovereignty in it’s veins? Is it white “Westminster” sovereignty which powers it? Is it pink sovereignty, a merging of the two, or is it raspberry ripple sovereignty, a partial mixing of the two? It must be one of those combos,… mustn’t it?

      Clearly, under Sturgeon’s feckless ineptitude, Holyrood has capitulated on a number of Constitutional improprieties, and set dangerous precedents which clearly imply that Holyrood is 100% subservient to Westminster and has nothing but white sovereignty running in it’s veins. THAT is where Sturgeon’s leadership has brought us.

      BUT! Is that the end of the story? Frankly, no.

      Because the people elected to Holyrood are NOT being elected by the white sovereignty of Westminster. They are unequivocally being elected to Parliamentary office by the declared will of Scotland’s sovereign people, nobody else, and thus, there MUST be an element of Red Sovereignty empowering Scotland’s MP’s and MSP’s. There is a covenant there, between the sovereign people of Scotland and their elected representatives.

      So the question remains unanswered. Does Holyrood represent Red Sovereignty, White Sovereignty, Pink Sovereignty, Raspberry Ripple sovereignty, or maybe,… No Sovereignty at all.

      The last option is the most interesting, because if Holyrood is traduced to a Devolved puppet government come Parish Council, then there is gap. A void in the system. Thus there is the occasion and opportunity for a Scottish Constitutional Convention to “create” itself, promptly declare it’s fealty to Red Sovereignty of Scotland’s Ancient Constitution, and literally become THE political representation of the Red Sovereign Scottish people.

      Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Holyrood and Westminster both… 😉

      While Sturgeon remains First Minister, I submit the best way of dealing with her regime and Holyrood itself, is to presume Option 5, that Holyrood does not exercise any sovereignty at all. It is a Constitutional irrelevance, and Scotland the Nation should look towards a Constitutional Convention that is Red through and through, without even a hint or suggestion of anything white.

      It is that type of Convention which I believe Alex Salmond and ALBA has a mind to create. That the type of Constitutional Initiative which Craig Murray also recommended as a more direct route to Independence without a referendum, and I think too, when Alf Baird and Barrheadboy are discussing the voting franchise, they’re NOT talking about “blood and soil” nationalism, but simply the Red sovereignty of Scotland in the context I’ve described it above.

    352. Fireproofjim says:

      Sad really.
      A relevant post about the rabid Unionist Orange Order is soon destroyed the usual nutty anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists with there endless obsessions and links to the weirdest and slimiest grottos of the Internet.
      What has that rubbish to do with Scottish Independence?

    353. Stuart MacKay says:

      https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2021/09/21/long-eared-owl-illegally-held-in-trap-on-same-strathbraan-grouse-moor-where-shot-peregrine-found/

      The first comment says it all.

      Thanks to Dan for posting the previous story from the site and to RoS for spelling out (once again) the list of damage inflicted on our wildlife so a few gits can blast a few grouse out of the sky.

      Brought to you by the feckless Nicola Sturgeon, the feckless Mairi Gougeon, the feckless Mairi McAllan and the feckless Scottish Government.

    354. Dan says:

      @ ROS

      First off, I very much like my wildlife and put in a lot of effort to protect and build habitats that sustain diversity of species.
      I’ve also seen first hand the impact the unofficially released beavers have on certain areas of land. That’s the reason they wouldn’t have been officially released in certain places.
      Scotland is huge and there are plenty well out of the way areas that official release programs could be implemented.
      The concept that they will regenerate certain areas of land over the course of a hundred years causes conflicts when that area is Grade A agricultural land that produces our food.
      Obviously modern farming methods in themselves have issues, but until a robust and sustainable method to locally produce our own food is in place, farmers will inevitably be at odds with the work of the beaver if its work causes fields to be flooded.

      Some streams around my area used to flow clear and fast enough to sustain brown trout. The beavers damming exploits have basically created a series of small murky pond sections with little flow. Those changes to the watercourse mean it no longer sustain trout, and the pike and perch that are trapped in those pools can’t escape either. So the pike hammer and kill off the perch. And now the pike are the only thing left, and they start to predate on eachother, and that situation won’t sustain a growing apex predator fish in the long term or in terms of procreation either.
      So is that really a yay for the beaver and tae fuck with an entire spectrum of fish life as the burn is now effectively dying.
      I recently rescued about a dozen jack pike that had become trapped in a small pool created by a beaver dam. I caught and returned them on the other side of the dam so they could actually have a life.
      The above is based on actually living, fishing, and observing this play out here over past 40 years.

    355. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Dan (6.00) –

      This isn’t meant to sound flippant, but why don’t they introduce something that eats beavers?

      Sounds like they’re getting it all their own way, the toothy bastards!

      Goes around comes around an aw that…

      😉

    356. Dan says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood

      TBH I’m very hesitant to investigate that idea further by sticking anything to do with beaver eating into a google search. 😉
      There’s enough Indy minded folk in the nick already…

    357. Fireproofjim says:

      In the Wild West in the 19th century beaver tails were a delicacy enjoyed by the trappers who were after the beaver pelts, mainly for the top hat manufacturers.
      Maybe Baxters of Fochabers could introduce a new line in canned beaver tail. I’m sure that such a Unionist supporting company could find a ready market in London.

    358. James Che. says:

      We test colonism by declaring ourselves sovereign in Scotland.

    359. Cenchos says:

      If there was any doubt about how middle-class the SNP have become, the brown nosing and panting forelock tugging they perform around the land ‘owning’ ‘gentry’ removes it.

      Hmm.

      Baxter’s Beaver and Orange Broth: A Braw Wee Taste O North Britain.

    360. James Che. says:

      Beavers.
      Watching a well known metal detector, aquachigger on YouTube getting attacked by a beaver,
      He used to work in environmental area, his wife is a vet,
      The beaver attacked him because it had rabies.

      Nice to think this maybe transported into Scotland.

    361. James Che. says:

      And we cannot introduce bison to Scotland because bisons fart the same as cows. So that puts paid to the green parties extremism.

    362. James Che. says:

      And the wolf’s will hunt beavers as they do elsewhere, so we may have rabies crossing species.

    363. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @James Che –

      Wolves chasing beavers while bison fart in the background would surely draw in the tourists though, eh?

      🙂

    364. Dan says:

      @ James Che

      Buffalo have been tried before…

      https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/200399292-buffalo-hut-rohallion-little-dunkeld#.YUoehBwo_cs

      And there’s even a mention of a bear in this one!
      Looks like Stu will have to give up his retirement and return to Scotland for Bear Patrol duties in case that one had offspring.

      https://www.jstor.org/stable/1215362

    365. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Dan –

      Bears as well?

      Sorry Dan, you’ve taken it all too far…

      🙁

    366. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @6pm.

      Yes I agree some Beavers can be problematic depending on where they build their lodges, however Beavers do benefit the eco-system.

      “Improved water quality: Beaver dams slow and filter water, causing sediment and nutrients to be deposited in ponds. This improves the quality of water flowing from sites where beavers are present.”

      “Land holds more water: The dams, ponds and channels created by beavers increase capacity of land to store water and produce a more consistent outflow below their dams. This can result in less water being released during heavy rainfall (reducing flooding downstream) and more water availability during times of drought.”

      “Carbon is captured: Beaver wetlands capture carbon, locked up in dams, and boggy vegetation and wet woodlands which are restored.”

      “More wildlife: Beavers create diverse wetland habitats that can provide a home for a wide range of wildlife, especially aquatic invertebrates which act as a food source for other species.”

      https://www.dorsetwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/beavers-build-back-better-their-future-not-secure#:~:text=%20These%20include%3A%20%201%20Improved%20water%20quality%3A,a%20wide%20range%20of%20wildlife%2C%20especially…%20More%20

    367. robbo says:

      Dan says:
      21 September, 2021 at 6:53 pm
      @ Cenchos

      Indeed. ?

      https://twitter.com/petewishart/status/1223366082695716866

      ————-

      Am sure him Swinney got a nice few bottles of single malt though eh!

      Fecking troughfers.

    368. Hugh Jarse says:

      I’ll have you know Beaver can be very tasty, if fresh.
      It doesn’t keep well
      😉

    369. Republicofscotland says:

      Police Scotland, and the SNP ran Edinburgh city council do everything in their powers to weaken and lessen the exposure of the AUOB march in Edinburgh.

      The unionist loving Police Scotland even want a Temporary Traffic Regulation Order (TTRO) to be in place a minimum of 28 days before such a march.

      No such problems though for the Orange Order, who could march past chapels banging their drums and singing all manner of offensive songs of hate whilst Police Scotland who deployed 800 officers walked along side them without a quibble.

      The original AUOB march has already moved its dates to September 25 to avoid clashing with the Queen’s official opening of the parliament. So now the SNP ran Edinburgh council and our very own colonial police force see a foreign monarchs opening of parliament as more important than Scottish independence.

      AUOB applied for the march in Edinburgh in January, Christ the SNP really does loathe the AUOB because it promotes Scottish independence, like I’ve said before I’ll never vote SNP again its Alba from now on.

      As for Sturgeon and the unions other foot soldiers no not the O/O Police Scotland, f*ck them.

      https://archive.is/U8PgY

    370. Dan says:

      @ ROS at 7.31pm

      Aye, that’s all great positive spin for areas where there isn’t conflict with other land use and the ultimate many decades long regeneration process is unhindered to occur.
      But as I’ve stated in my post, there is conflict in this particular area, and food production is kind of important. Well it is for most folk. I grow my own rather than eat that tasteless shitey chemical enhanced crud grown in the fields around me.
      And that large scale farming is only possible due to diesel burning tractors. A tractor using a few hundred litres a day is not uncommon in field processing.
      Harvest moon last night and I lifted the rest of my spuds by hand today. So that’s my tattie supply and seed for next year in da bank.

      By the way, these beavers are Olympic level shaggers judging by how quickly the population has gorown.
      Give em’ the vote inclusive civic style and they might begin to counteract the holiday and second home owners in this area.
      It’d be totes braw if they could also be trained as firefighters seeing as most of the fit young humans have been cleared out the area and replaced with auld retired wrinklies who can barely retain their own piss, nevermind handle a powerful hose.

    371. Republicofscotland says:

      Re the raptor that was killed (comment by Dan) this beautiful Long Eared Owl is being illegally held on the same grousing estate.

      I wonder if those useless b*stards at Police Scotland will actually do anything about it.

      https://twitter.com/RaptorPersScot/status/1440336015210659852

    372. Scott says:

      robbo says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:34 pm

      Oops linked the wrong one.

      Better watch, or you’ll be accused of being robbo and republicofscotland.

    373. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      That habitat you describe beavers making is good, but introducing beavers is not the only way to do this,

      Long ago farmers and land owners started draining wetlands through pipes,
      These pipes led directly to rivers, that then flooded lower inhabited lower lands,
      The local councils do the same, road side drains and city drains all lead to rivers,

      It was not a lack of beavers in Britain that caused this, it was a way of thinking by land owners for reclaiming land= more money.

      This can be remedied by leading pipes and drains back into the system instead of by passing it,
      We do not even need beavers,
      It can be solved by creating catchment areas such as ponds and small dams within council and agriculture legislation.

      I study old maps on a regular basis due to a love of history and metal detecting combined,
      If there has been such a drastic change anywhere that has caused flooding it has been in the policies makers above.

      Most little villages or towns had a park and ponds most farms had dams and or ponds, even golf corse ponds have been syphoned of for the accommodation of greed and cutting costs in maintenance,

      In my area alone when you study maps from 1700s &1800s covering a ten mile radius, 23 ponds and dams have disappeared.
      Some of them were up to half a mile across.

      Rewinding Scotland is for more greed and does not seriously study the causation of the problem,
      It is very interesting to note that a water supply to an old cafe no longer runs and has dried up not far from where I live,.
      What caused the slow down of water I wonder?
      It was due to tree being planted, and as the grew they seeped up more water,
      And then add bull rushes and wetland grasses, this area no longer floods, not a beaver in sight.

      It is greed and appalling management of land drainage and council policies and government policies that created the problem, and that is the direction to look in solving the problem.

      Sorry I do not agree with you on the let’s re- Scotland without asking the people of Scotland. Or without giving them, { the original cause} and then reinstating those catchment areas that thrived with wildlife.
      For global easy solution ideology, bring back animals that can cause bigger problems long term. Instead of common sense.

    374. James Che. says:

      And they had healthy fish in those ponds, dragonfly, and larvae, newts, frogs tadpoles, nesting water hens, herons, ducks and wild geese………

      Beaver cause muddy murky stagnant water corses where little survives but pike and beaver.

    375. robbo says:

      Scott says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:39 pm
      robbo says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:34 pm

      Oops linked the wrong one.

      Better watch, or you’ll be accused of being robbo and republicofscotland.

      ————

      Nah doubt that. Just me being too hasty when I was reading further down ROS link , copied it without refreshing correct page.

      I’m not a twitter moron so easily confused. But you get the gist , they’re still cunts.

    376. Republicofscotland says:

      Scott, Robbo, one of the same? who knows? more to the point who cares?

    377. Derek says:

      James Che. says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:41 pm

      “Long ago farmers and land owners started draining wetlands through pipes,
      These pipes led directly to rivers, that then flooded lower inhabited lower lands,
      The local councils do the same, road side drains and city drains all lead to rivers.”

      There’s been a wee bit of reversal of this going on recently; the ones that I noticed were in Norfolk – where a dormant plant has flowered after a hundred-year absence – and in Australia, which has regenerated some borderline desert scrub-by fields by raising the water table.

      The other project that I’ve noticed is a pan-African tree-planting project to the south of the big deserts; it’s not aimed at creating wetlands but more at altering weather patterns – by forest growth – to encourage sustainable crop growth thereabouts.

    378. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      Please excuse dyslexia.
      It is a Constant battle.

    379. robbo says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:52 pm
      Scott, Robbo, one of the same? who knows? more to the point who cares?

      —–

      RoS can’t be me . I’m prettier than that man! smiley thing.

    380. Scott says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      21 September, 2021 at 8:52 pm

      Scott, Robbo, one of the same? who knows? more to the point who cares?

      An interesting response…

    381. James Che. says:

      Derek,
      It nice to know somewhere some people are thinking ahead,

      What is One of the biggest faults that lie in governments, Councils, national trusts and landowners and re-wilding Scotland that fail us all.

      They were born with no common sense, and an inclination toward ideological theories.

    382. James Che. says:

      I was watching another YouTube poster,
      He has an interesting hobby he does out of his own pocket that helps local authorities to uphold roads for the public.

      He regularly deals with problems caused by beavers,

      His blog is called

      Post 10.

    383. Derek says:

      Cost/benefit analyses tend to focus on money; things like well-being aren’t paid so much attention (although there are exceptions).

      Grass verges, for example; on country roads, these tend to be damaged by vehicles avoiding others (and so on), and leaving ruts as a result – which tend to increase and become a hazard. Some years ago, Northumberland Council did verge works on the A696 between the A68 and Ponteland; dug up the verges and laid perforated conrete bases which the verges could grow on – but wouldn’t subside! The result is lush green verges that don’t propagate ruts and if you stray onto them for any reason (tractors?) you won’t get stuck. Midlothian council fitted concrete kerbstones to a previously grass-verged road to reduce damage – which it would, but it reduces your options when faced with a wagon or the likes.

    384. David Caledonia says:

      Norwich 0 Liverpool 3

      3/5 Liverpool …. easy money

    385. Pixywine says:

      Fireproof. The Fascism that rules our country today has nothing to do with Scottish Independence. What is your plan for Independence anyway? A defamation free answer would be nice.

    386. David Caledonia says:

      I send a lot of money to help my friends in the philippines Mr Dan.
      And wave or tidal power or whatever you want to call it is always there
      How much do you care Mr Dan, I won a few pounds from Norwich v Liverpool, lots of people and lots of charities benefit from things I do
      I am not looking for a pat on the back as I do it cause I can help others
      Have a go at people you know Mr Dan, if you think I might be one of the I’m alright jack brigade then that’s your perogative to think that, but in the future it will be my perogative to ignore you…………. OK

    387. David Caledonia says:

      If you have the financial savvy to run a house profitably, its not much different to running a country profitably
      I have nothing against the likes of Norway, in fact I admire countries like Norway that have the savvy and the people who understand whats what.
      My point was scots have that savvy without having to see what others are doing, alas we have the people, but they are not the people in power, and a lot of scots will still vote for the SNP
      Can that be turned around, it can be, but the big question is how can it be done
      There is not an easy answer to that, my own opinion, it will not happen in my lifetime, but I have one foot in the grave anyway, so it could happen sooner than we think ….. ha ha ha

    388. Charles Hodgson says:

      Fireproofjim says:
      21 September, 2021 at 5:27 pm
      “Sad really.
      A relevant post about the rabid Unionist Orange Order is soon destroyed the usual nutty anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists with there endless obsessions and links to the weirdest and slimiest grottos of the Internet.
      What has that rubbish to do with Scottish Independence?”

      Some people think the vaccine passport fascist bs matters? How about that you sack of shit?

    389. Derek says:

      David Caledonia says:
      21 September, 2021 at 10:29 pm

      “but I have one foot in the grave anyway”

      I don’t believe it!

    390. Fireproofjim says:

      Pixywine.
      My plan for independence is very simple. During my working life I have travelled the world for many years and have seen the improvements brought about in many countries that have become independent of the U.K.
      From Singapore to the Persian Gulf great gleaming cities have risen from deserts or swamps and in almost every case the lives of the people have greatly improved.
      In Europe small independent countries have in every case outperformed the U.K. with better standards of living and pensions. Just look at booming Ireland or Denmark.
      All I want is that we make our own decisions, (and probably mistakes). I don’t say we should be a monarchy or a republic, or join the EU or EFTA, or use the pound or our own currency, or remain in NATO. All of those things are for the people to decide in an Independent Scotland.
      So the plan is just to keep trying, as I have been doing for sixty years. I just hope I live long enough to see it.

    391. Fireproofjim says:

      Charles Hogdson
      You are obviously a brain dead fool. “Passport fascist bullshit”. You don’t know the first thing about the evils of fascism. Try to look up some history.

    392. Charles Hodgson says:

      “Fireproofjim says:
      21 September, 2021 at 11:04 pm
      Charles Hogdson
      You are obviously a brain dead fool. “Passport fascist bullshit”. You don’t know the first thing about the evils of fascism. Try to look up some history.”

      You utter useless obedient c*nt.

    393. Charles Hodgson says:

      Pixywine says:
      21 September, 2021 at 12:04 pm
      “Hatstand. Refer to the Governments yellow card scheme or the American VAERS reporting system. The figures are not complete because not all injuries are being recorded.. You know that information is out there although it’s being made more difficult to access. When have we ever been so censored?”

      Correct. Project Veritas getting direct medical testimony (undercover) that adverse vaccine health effects are NOT being reported, as required by VAERS.

      Check the 13 minute video posted yesterday by searching “Project Veritas” on YouTube. Headline: “The Govt doesnt wan’t to show that the darn vaccine is full of shit.”

    394. Derek says:

      Fireproofjim says:
      21 September, 2021 at 11:00 pm

      “From Singapore to the Persian Gulf great gleaming cities have risen from deserts or swamps and in almost every case the lives of the people have greatly improved.”

      Has that been good for the planet, though? See previous conversation about wetlands, for example.

    395. Charles Hodgson says:

      Here’s one for you Firepissjism:

      “Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by [dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.]”

      Sums up the last year and a half perfectly I think, eh, you shitehawk.

    396. Fireproofjim says:

      Derek
      Good point. But for better or worse the independent people made their own decisions. As things stand we cannot improve or change things in the light of the latest knowledge on Global Warming for example. With independence we can.

    397. Fireproofjim says:

      Charles Hodgson
      Just a polite enquiry. Do you really think you strengthen your argument by ending every post with mindless crude obscenities?

    398. Derek says:

      Fireproofjim says:
      21 September, 2021 at 11:37 pm

      Derek
      Good point. But for better or worse the independent people made their own decisions. As things stand we cannot improve or change things in the light of the latest knowledge on Global Warming for example. With independence we can

      I agree that “with independence, we can.”

      …however…

      …unless we have a government that acts more for the the people than for the establishment though, I doubt that we will.

      I mas initially optimisic, but it seems like a Labour variant might be the way ahead…

    399. Charles Hodgson says:

      Felchpissjism says:
      21 September, 2021 at 11:46 pm
      Charles Hodgson
      “Just a polite enquiry. Do you really think you strengthen your argument by ending every post with mindless crude obscenities?”

      If you’re going to constantly push authoritarianism, then that’s all your worth, pal. You don’t mind calling people that disagree with you (and have done more that mindlessly consume the shit being fed to you by official channels) “nutty anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists”, so maybe look to the beam that is in thine own eye, and stop being such a prick.

    400. Charles Hodgson says:

      Leaving independence for Scotland aside for a moment(!), I would literally GO TO WAR with people like FPJ, Andy Ellis, Hatstand et al, on here. This is civilisational stuff. What is left when we lose our basic freedoms with the consent and encouragement of idiots such as these?

      They want to create a sub-class of society on the basis of medical non-obedience.
      Independence for Scotland is trivial in comparison, and I wouldn’t now want to be delivered from the UK into the unfettered hands of Sturgeon’s Scotland. Maybe events will overtake her. She’s ruined everything worth having in the public space anyhow. It’ll take decades to take it back, even if the will now exists amongst the pathetic cowards currently prevailing here.

      Enjoy your daily circle jerk, bozos.

    401. David Caledonia says:

      There is an english guy in the philippines, he is over 80 years old and is married to a young woman in her late 20s and they are trying to have a child together.
      He has had a very interesting life before he arrived in the philippines and he speaks about all sorts of stuff with his wife on youtube.
      But the main thing I respect the english guy for is what he does now, he makes money from youtube and he uses that money to build houses for the poorer people on the island he lives on, as I said he is over 80 so he never really gets involved with the building work, but he is there to make sure the work is done to a high standard
      I send money to one particular family and we are building a house for them to live in, the shack they are in now is ok, I have lived in it myself as their guest, but a bit of land came up for sale and I bought the land to build the house for them
      Its a slow process because of the pandemic, I thought we would have the house built for just after last new year, but its going on and on, getting workers and materials is a big problem, we are coming up to the best part of a year trying to get the house finished.
      All the problems have not phased me in the least, it will be a great day when they move into their brand new house, a house that does not leak when it rains, I love the storms in the philippines ( our storms are puny little things in comparison ) but they do cause a lot of damage
      A few years ago I was renting a flat there, as usual we had the storms, I remember one night when there was this great bloody storm, it was a cracker, I thought it was the greatest storm I had ever witnessed, when the thunder cracked it hit the walls of my flat like the aftershock of a nuclear bomb, it was so flaming good I expected the flat could just disintegrate at any moment, and do you know, that did not worry me, as in my heart I new I would be ok, but I can tell you, it was bloody good to have been there that night, I miss my friends there, they hate the storms, they don’t know how lucky they are, our storms in scotland are crap, give me a good filipino storm any day of the week to our puny little efforts here, its hard to explain how alive they make you feel, nature at its finest and deadliest, can’t wait to get back there…. B O O M lol

    402. David Caledonia says:

      Its ok to disagree with someone’s opinion, but its not ok to be abusive to them because of their opinion, it would be a very boring world if we all thought the same way

      and that’s my opinion lol

    403. Ottomanboi says:

      Very soon there may be no such thing as Lawful Assembly in Sturgeonistan
      https://archive.ph/YVw3z
      Creeping medicalization and under the radar authoritarianism.
      Give politicians a millimeter and they will take as many kilometers as they fancy.
      Governments, their functionaries, advisors and experts all have feet of clay.
      A link to a long read on some thoughts thereon.
      https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/21/inalienable-rights-a-suggested-solution-to-the-covid-coup/

    404. Dan says:

      AUOB accuses police of ‘political interference’ over independence march plans

      https://archive.is/dciFP

    405. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @9.09am.

      Dan.

      I posted that link with a comment at 7.54pm last night and there were no takers.

      The AUOB sound as though via the story as if they’re going ahead with the march anyway, an head to head with the unions colonial police force looks like it might be on the cards, its about time the AUOB used its considerable numbers in a more radical way.

      Lets see if the treacherous b*stards (SNP) who run Edinburgh council and our own colonial police force back down first.

      A demo is also to be held outside Holyrood.

    406. Dan says:

      @ ROS

      Soz, overlooked it as was engrossed in beaver!
      Thing is, a couple of years back there was the debacle around the AUOB Edinburgh march and access to Holyrood Park.
      That march still got a very large attendance even with the attempts to put folk off. That was a sign there was an inkling of uncivil obedience in the ranks that so many still attended as things were coming to a head with regard “Brexit” and Scotland getting the opportunity to decide its future once again after that material change in circumstance.
      Now, with the authoritarian creep since then, would be the ideal time for a lot of folk to turn up, yet as we saw last weekend there just doesn’t seem to be the will due what I’ll describe as partial fragmentation of the YES movement, and the lack of belief that we have a leader who apparently isn’t that capable of leading…

      Meanwhile…
      Ongoing Energy Crisis…

      https://twitter.com/EwanHunter/status/1439893560078258191

      Scotland is currently powering itself and still exporting 4.2GW (knocking on towards 15% of GB Grid demand) to England.

      https://extranet.nationalgrid.com/RealTime

      Yet I have to waste yet more of my time attempting to clarify what the hell is going on with the energy company I recently moved too because they are in some kind of trouble.
      And the thing is, it’s not like their prices are particularly lower than any of the other companies.

      I had to move as was previously on a zero standing charge and just pay slightly higher unit price tariff because I use so little power, but all companies have done away with that tariff and I am forced onto a daily standing charge plus units used tariff, which effectively has more than doubled my leccy bills. Admittedly my bills were very low but the forced tariff change has effectively penalised me for being a low energy user and eco warrior.

    407. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @9.59am.

      Dan.

      Its pretty obvious to me that Sturgeon fears the AUOB because she can’t control it, that’s why the SNP are throwing any obstacle they can in front of it, from the jailing of Manny Singh to the re-routing of this Edinburgh march.

      AS for the surge in power prices especially gas, again I say that Scotland has ample sources of energy, yet we pay through the nose for it, and as you say we’ll pay even more very soon. Scots haven’t benefited from all the energy sources that their country produces and they never will until we ditch this rancid union and deal directly with the oil and gas companies.

    408. Breeks says:

      Dan says:
      22 September, 2021 at 9:09 am
      “AUOB accuses police of ‘political interference’ over independence march plans”

      https://archive.is/dciFP

      Was Manny Singh approached for comment?

    409. Dan says:

      https://twitter.com/LesleyRiddoch/status/1440230001001918464

      The thing that gets me about the pressure put on folk to be more environmentally friendly, is that much of that onus is put on individuals to install the likes of solar panels or more recently heat pumps to their homes. This means it is down to the financial circumstances and payback inducements / benefit for each individual on whether to go ahead with installing such kit.
      So this is small scale inefficiency with numerous issues because certain homes aren’t suitable due to personal finances, location, or listed building status.

      And here’s something some may not have considered. I used to live in a lovely quiet village where it was peaceful and silent at night. Now that a neighbour installed oil heating there is the periodic hum resonance from their flu even though it has some kind of silencer fitted.
      But worse than that is the noise from the two properties that have had air to air heat pumps installed, because the noise from the heat exchanger fans droning away is pretty constant.
      Now all these installations on individual properties burden those households with depreciation, maintenance and repair costs. Yet if we just had affordable clean and quiet renewable leccy supplied to our homes from the large local windfarms or hydro schemes nearby us there would be no noise pollution and other hassles associated with kitting out your own home with small scale attempts to be green.

    410. wull says:

      NS doesn’t want an independent Scotland. Or, if she does, it is not for its own sake but, it seems, for the sake of something else. Something which seems to be far more important to her.

      See if you like it.

      What she really seems to want is a ‘Transhumanist Scotland’. Populated by people who will be ‘Humanity Plus’. That is, it seems, not just human but ‘more than human’. Hence the ‘More’ – it seems – in both the names.

      He was not originally ‘More’ but plain ‘Max O’Connor’. She was neither ‘Vita’ nor even ‘Natasha’ but simply ‘Nancie Clark’. But it’s the ‘More’ that counts now.

      Maybe it doesn’t sound so bad. For instance, if – if only! – it meant ‘becoming more human’! But if it means becoming ‘more than (just) human’ – or, their term – becoming ‘Humanity Plus’, maybe it could be a little more sinister.

      If some people have an ‘enhanced humanity’, will that mean the rest of us might be considered ‘humanity minus’? And treated accordingly…

      This is not just ‘genetic engineering’… That’s ‘old hat’ – even the Nazis liked it, and maybe Winston Churchill had more than a passing interest as well. It includes that old stuff of course, but also goes beyond it: genetic engineering PLUS x, PLUS y, PLUS z and all the ‘next things’.

      Is this the ‘New Scotland’ – NS for short – that we all want? Is it the NS we’ll get, whether we like it or not? Is it the purpose that the independence movement is supposed / expected to serve? Or be diverted towards? In function of which, it – you and I / we – are to be used?

      See if you like it.

      Check out ‘Transhumanism’ on the internet. Check out Max More and Natasha Vita-More.

      I don’t think I am supposed to call them Mr. and Mrs. More. So as not to give anyone offence, let’s just call them More-PLUS.

      I am just raising questions. Without pretending to know the answers. But is this what is really going on, underneath? Is Transgenderism just a subsection of Transhumanism? The thin end of the wedge…

      In which case, we haven’t seen anything yet. This may be just the beginning.

      It’s not all as implausible as it might sound. And there are no doubt many seemingly good ideas mixed in with the proposed trajectory to make it all sound so plausible. Covering over everything that may be wrong with it.

      These things fly in surreptitiously, and before you know it – without any kind of scrutiny – they win the day, and take over.

      Is NS Scotland being used as a stalking horse for something completely different? Something so PLUS it will annihilate the old Scotland, and the Scots as such, altogether?

      The old Scotland, the Scotland as such, that the AS somehow represented in the febrile mind of NS? You know – the AS, as in ‘ye havenae seen the end of the Auld Scotland (his bonnet) and me’ – who had to be obliterated from history (even from the history of the SNP), pilloried, locked up, buried in smear-droppings, incarcerated unto death, rubbed out from all human memory and trampled on for ever.

      All in the name of Humanity Plus and the creation of the NS by NS and Co Ltd (or, rather, Unlimited), including Hubby and All.

      Two MINUSES used to make a PLUS; with Humanity+ however, two PLUSES now seem to make a MINUS. A very big minus. leaving us……’sans everything’.

      Or, maybe, leaving us only to mourn? As in, ‘Man’s (and Woman’s) inhumanity to man makes countless thousands mourn’! But we had better not just mourn, and feel sorry for ourselves. We had better do something about it – whatever we can.

      Seriously, is the NS plan to capture Scotland and make it hostage to the TRANSHUMANIST agenda? This may sound exaggerated, but it’s worth asking; worth watching; worth being vigilant about. What really happened to her? What is she actually driving at? She is not stupid. She wants something; and she is accustomed to getting what she wants. Is this it? Is this what she is driving at, or towards – and is it this that she is determined to achieve, thinking it is the great new thing, the royal sturgeon road to progress and everlasting human happiness?

      We wanted- and still want – Scotland to be FREE. Does she instead want it to be TRANS-fixed? Has she confused the two things?

      I don’t know the answer – but the question is well worth asking. If the independence movement is being deliberately undermined (and diverted) from within, it must be for a purpose? And maybe this is it. Some other ideology is hollowing us out, and taking over, seeking to use the independence movement for the achievement for its own ends.

      Ends which, I expect, are quite alien to most of us.

      Check it out.

    411. wull says:

      The names to check out seem to have disappeared from the above post. They are ‘Max More’ and ‘Natasha Vita-More’. Or just google ‘transhumanism’ and these names – plus others – will come up.

      They do not all agree with each other when it comes down to detail, but there is a common trajectory: the general thrust of where they want humanity to head is clear enough. I would suggest that ‘transgenderism’ can be considered as a subset of ideas which find their home within the wider and greater set of ideas covered by ‘transhumanism’.

      Whether or not they have the same origin I do not know. But they do seem to travel in the same direction, and will and do easily coalesce. Becoming ‘More-than-Human’ – that ‘More’ again, as in the self-chosen and invented names people give to themselves – requires the abolition of human nature. This includes the abolition of the biological sub-strata which is integral to us, or, more simply, the biological reality / realities of which we are composed.

      Chromosome-deniers will find much to console them in the trans-humanist philosophy propagated by the Mores and their futuristic dream of creating their more-than-human Humanity-Plus!

    412. Breeks says:

      Wullie MacRae. Leader of the SNP who died / possibly assassinated in 1985.

      Alex Salmond. First Minister of Scotland, Leader of the SNP and Architect of 2014 Independence Referendum, who survived a botched attempt to see him smeared and jailed on trumped up charges as a sex offender.

      Craig Murray. Ex Diplomat, journalist, blogger, and outspoken critic of British and Scottish Governments, who survived a botched attempt to see him smeared and discredited on trumped up accusations of sexual misconduct. Jailed for alleged contempt amidst a disgracefully asymmetric and vexatious interpretation of ‘jigsaw” identification.

      Many Singh. Jailed for the “crime” of not re-routing an Independence March at the last minute when many marchers were already on route to attend.

      Joanna Cherry. Highly successful in two landmark legal judgements relating to Brexit’s Article 50, and reversing UK PM’s unlawful prorogation of Parliament. Sacked from her Ministerial Post to be replaced by a complete non-entity who’s name I can’t even remember, picked upon, bullied, and plotted against by Sturgeon’s Trans Taliban who obstructed Joanna Cherry’s return to Holyrood.

      AUOB denied permission to repeat previous routes of successful peaceful YES marches with no history of disorder, while the Orange Order can hold 34 separate sectarian marches through Catholic Communities with a token police escort.

      Quick question to all SNP folks and “Sturgeonistas”. Are you absolutely sure you know whose side you are on?

    413. stonefree says:

      @ Socrates MacSporran at 12:19 pm
      It was the same thing on Misfits Garage
      over a 1961 Morris Minor, Imperial sizes
      They are buggered if they work on a Triumph with Whitworth
      I await the return of the Hand, Cubit and Pole
      The 638 Cu.in. had me wondering for a couple of moments was that 10500 cc or 12500 cc

    414. Dan says:

      When you’re forced to think back and recall if you tanned a load of shrooms for breakfast…

      “…calling women females is a bit of red flag for me…

      https://twitter.com/MhairiHunter/status/1440570276199026690

    415. robertknight says:

      Well done the women’s national squad against those blood thirsty savages from the north. Fantastic result!

      #boycottfaroeislands

    416. Pixywine says:

      If the Government won’t stop intimidation from Orange marches then that duty falls upon the Catholic community if such still exists. Fuck off brain dead orange bastards

    417. Pixywine says:

      “Transhumanism” owes a great debt to Heinrich Himmler for its Ubermann fantasies. Nutters.

    418. Pixywine says:

      Fireproof Jim. OK Jim. Let’s hear your great exposition on Fascism. What commando comics are you referring to?

    419. Pixywine says:

      Fireproof. Your vision of Independence is a good one. I like it. But the so far insurmountable Sturgeon……

    420. James Che. says:

      It is really important we gain independence soon.

      For the Scottish economy. For trade.
      For the Scottish nhs to function.
      For paedophilia to be exterminated in Scotland which seems to have been imported into Scotland en masse.
      For teachers educating our children illicitly, damaging non gender issues to get kicked out of their jobs,
      For new small businesses to grow,
      To have a say over not going into constant wars,
      For people to have free speech.
      For us to have our very variety of broadcasters.

      To return land use to the Scottish people
      To use and choose our taxes that are not being spent on London and down south. But re- invested in Scotland,

      For us to have less think tanks in our government that are often external interference factors, not in Scotland’s personal interest.

      To make lobbyists illegal within our government. By imprisonments. This takes out big tech and landowners etc etc,

      To take a sensible more even balanced view on how to look after our countryside without banning Scots the right to roam,
      which is what is happening with national parks and trust that are often registered elsewhere.

      To have health care and care homes registered in and accountable in Scotland.

      To regain local police stations that would be actually manned with proper police men and women. Where the police and community know each other.

      To access and have accountability to Council offices and officials personally, instead of them hiding behind a digital fortress. After all we pay for them,

      To stop privatisation of public services often to private contractors payed with our taxes.

      To re- instate and bring back some railway lines and services as public, to reduce lorry transport on the roads over long mileage.

      To eliminate re- wilding Scotland,
      as this is a very large umbrella organisation that is involved in other countries as well, which turns Scotland into a safari park and open air zoo,
      at the detriment to other land users.
      And uses lobbyists in our government to control Scottish land use.

      To talk and act sensibly about climate change, what we can achieve, and with open public local consultations with councils,
      To start and arrange litter pick ups with local councillors themselves, instead of them sitting easily on their fat high paid backsides.

      Stiff fines for littering,

      Fines for big shops selling plastic bags, not on the customers.

      Without extremism, which drags the balance to big cooperations.

      Tree planting and creating ponds at weekends with the public actually being involved manually. This encourages a different view point and encourages locals to realise the impact of sustainable environment. Along with a better connection between councillors and public. Whom seem to be in separate worlds.

      To implement more human bus stops, to encourage bus travel,

      These are only a few ideas on how Scotland should function, apparently we will have to wait for independence before using common sense and balanced thinking,

      To right a country and a government that is going AWOL..independence needed to happen yesterday before Scotland is ruined by big cooperations and lobbyists, the snp and greens.

    421. James Che. says:

      Breeks,
      11: 24 am,

      Spot on,
      The connective bias from the Scotland’s MPs, the Scottish government and law in Scotland are falling in one direction, against the people of Scotland.
      Just add a hate crime bill to imprison ordinary Scottish people and the set up is complete.

    422. James Che. says:

      Wull.

      And the master plan was not clearly set out in the Snp manifesto for election, I can imagine the speech before the election,

      “We the SNP pledge that we will experiment on the Scottish people with trangenderism and transhumanism”.

      “We will also be experimenting with you’re children, with vaccines, gender change and paedophilic testing without parents consent.”

      “We will also be teaming up with the greens after you vote us in, without you’re consent”

      Voted in under a false flag. Imposters.

    423. James says:

      Breeks @ 11:24 – well said!

    424. James Che. says:

      Time for a regime change, to quote ole Blighty.

    425. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @12 noon.

      This is the kind of gender nonsense that’s overtaken the SNP everyone knows women are females, however the time is not that far away in Scotland when you’ll be arrested for calling a woman a female, such is the state that the SNP has now gotten Scotland into.

    426. Effigy says:

      If only SNP could listen, look or put a date in the diary!

      https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1440262332869869568?s=08

    427. Republicofscotland says:

      Our pal Pishy Pete, showing that the downfalls of Brexit were predicted by the SNP. Yet the SNP government didn’t even try to hold an indyref, instead they focused on trying to save England from itself, instead of saving us from this vile union.

      What does that say about the SNP, and what they really think of Scots, when they put a foreign countries welfare before their own country’s.

      Notice at the bottom of Pishy Pete’s list it says Brexit is killing the UK, and not Brexit is killing Scotland, its as if the one time wannabe Speaker of the House Pishy Pete, is rather sad that the the UK might break up.

      “Gas price hikes: BREXIT
      Food shortages: BREXIT
      Sewage dumping: BREXIT
      Export crisis: BREXIT
      Driver shortages: BREXIT
      Farming chaos: BREXIT
      Fishing chaos: BREXIT
      Financial Asset exodus: BREXIT
      Northern Ireland chaos: BREXIT
      Livestock culling: BREXIT

      Brexit is killing the UK”

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/1440248254994599944

    428. Republicofscotland says:

      Iain Lawson speaks his mind in this straight to the point article.

      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/09/22/speaking-my-mind-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19538

    429. Dan says:

      Hmm, In the scheme of things I’m not convinced that developing a few lighter components to clag on an airplane will really significantly reduce the emissions of a large device attempting to defy gravity.

      Warning, contains she / her content

      https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1440637266246836230

      We’d be real world leaders if we could develop plane engines to run on rainbow farts, rather than untaxed aviation fuel from the oil industry.

      https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/01/aviations-7-billion-subsidy-per-year-in-uk-needs-to-be-dropped/

    430. John McNab says:

      Greeks at 11.24am

      “…through Catholic Communities…”

      Has a form of residential apartheid, based on professed religious observance, been instituted in Scotland all of a sudden? When did this happen?

    431. Ottomanboi says:

      «Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life»
      Cecil Rhodes

      «I am not an Englishman, I was never an Englishman, and I don’t ever want to be one. I am a Scotsman! I was a Scotsman and I will always be one»
      Sean Connery

      «Englishmen are so odd. They are like a nest of Chinese boxes. It takes a very long time to get to the centre of them. When one gets there the result is unrewarding, but the process is instructive and entertaining»
      Ian Fleming, Casino Royale

    432. robertknight says:

      RoS @1:58

      I wonder if Weak Pishart is a Tolkien fan…

      Irolas: “It is as the Lord Denethor predicted. Long has he foreseen this doom”.

      If Pete “Irolas” Wishart sees Ian “Blowhard” Blackford in the roll of Lord Denethorn he’d be bang on the money, for the line that follows that of Irolas is this…

      Gandalf: “Foreseen and done nothing!”

    433. Sensible Dave says:

      RoS

      … the list is rubbish mate.

      Its just a list of issues that are problematis with the word “Brexit” after each one.

      1. Gas Price Hikes …. its a global issue mate?
      2. “Food shortage … logistics and supply chain issues … same in the EU, USA and Australia caused by rapid increase in demand mate … Brexit?

      etc, etc… its all a bit silly isn’t it.

      The one you missed is the CO2 shortage! Oh the irony! Now people are learning that CO2 isn’t quite the very devil that they had previously been lead to believe it was! They are learning that the poisonous pollutant is actually the bubbles in their drinks and the gas in their meat packaging and a part of what they breathe out (each person about a kilo each day).

    434. Ruby says:

      Can we expect to see the return of guineas?

      What about things priced in shillings?

      Took me ages to figure out how much 90/- was!

      £4.50p or £4 10/-

      How much does 90/- ale cost today?

      I tried to do 90/- to guineas got 4 guineas 6/- but I don’t think prices in guineas were shown like this.

      It would have to be either 4 guineas or 5 guineas.

      It turns out there a beer called ‘5 Guinea Ale’

      That would be how much in shillings?

      It turns out there is also a ‘Penny Farthing Ale’

      That sounds cheap! How much would that be in new money?

      I’m off to find other beers named after currency.

      I’ll be back with further calculations for you to do.

      We might as well get prepared for things to come.

    435. Derek says:

      70/80/90 bob was the tax payable on the barrel, based on the strength of the beer.

    436. Ruby says:

      Derek says:
      22 September, 2021 at 3:26 pm
      70/80/90 bob was the tax payable on the barrel, based on the strength of the beer.

      Reply

      Interesting. How much in guineas

      What about the following

      Twopenny Ale
      Fowler’s Twelve Guinea Ale
      3d Ale
      4d ale
      50/-
      80/-
      70/-
      160/-
      180/-

      For the more advanced:

      Million Dollar Beer
      Five Dollar Beer
      Corona Beer
      Rupee Beer

    437. Republicofscotland says:

      “etc, etc… its all a bit silly isn’t it.”

      Erm…no.

      Dave, Many HGV drivers have returned to the EU, so even if there wasn’t a food shortage we’d have no one to deliver it. field upon field of fruit and veg has rotted away this year, why? well once again the EU folk who come here to pick the soft fruits and veg have decided not to due to Brexit.

      NHS staff shortages of doctors, nurses and domestics etc, can once again be attributed to Brexit, you cannot make life difficult for EU citizens to stay in the UK then not expect them to leave, or maybe you think otherwise.

      Our fishing industry has been devastated, even more so our inner coastal fishing communities who find in nigh impossible to export their short expiry date sea food produce mainly due to the exponential increase in red tape. Our sea fishing boats can catch the produce but cannot land it in France, nor can the our fish processing plants find enough EU staff to process the fish.

      Our farming industry is under attack from shitty Westminster trade deals such as the Aussie one, our farmers subsidies look like they gone the EU served Scotland well in that department, even hill farmers in Scotland received their fair share, no so now with Westminster.

      There’s no benefits for Scotland on Brexit, even mobile phone roaming charges are back at £2 quid a day, £28 for a two-week holiday. Our exports to the EU are predicted to drop, our workers rights are expected to be impacted as well, meanwhile Westminster holds onto powers meant for our Holyrood parliament that are coming back from an EU we never voted to leave, some of these power even impinge on devolved matters, and the Internal Market bill rides roughshod over devolved areas as well.

      We’re out the Erasmus Programme and Euratom, the sharing of intelligence has become more difficult, the negating of the EU Health Card, the removal of EU’s food and drink regulations, and there’s many more disadvantages to Brexit for Scotland that I haven’t thought about.

      No Dave (I’ve had to drop the sensible) its not rubbish that Brexit is bad for Scotland, its disastrous, and so is being in this God awful union.

    438. Ruby says:

      Ottomanboi says:
      22 September, 2021 at 2:37 pm
      «Remember that you are an Englishman

      Reply

      I have no idea what an Englishman is. ‘Sinister Dave’ has failed to answer the question on several occasions in spite of him claiming to be here to educate.

      He regularly makes accusations of ‘anti-Englishness’ yet is unable to define what he means by English.

    439. Republicofscotland says:

      “I wonder if Weak Pishart is a Tolkien fan”

      Robert Knight @2.37pm.

      Wishart is a treacherous b*stard just like his boss Sturgeon, many folk have cottoned on to this but many may more haven’t just yet, but they will once 2023 passes without an indyref, however for some lobotomised Sturgeonistas the penny will never drop.

    440. Hatuey says:

      Charles Hodgson: “I would literally GO TO WAR with people like FPJ, Andy Ellis, Hatstand et al”

      Bit slow on the uptake… we’re already at war, dumbass, and you’re losing.

      You’re losing because the vaccine works. You’re losing because about 90% of the population lined up for it. And you’re losing because nobody believes they’re injecting microchips into us.

      Everybody I know, give or take a few kids, has had the vaccine. None of them suffered any serious side effects. There’s no evidence of serious side effects outside of very rare exceptions.

      The vaccine passport system which is going to be forced on us is down to irresponsible idiots who refuse to be vaccinated. Instead of complaining, they should be apologising for their scientifically baseless position and claims.

      The rest of us are paying for this stupidity in a thousand ways — increased demands on hospitals, increased spending, increased hassle, increased infection rates, increased deaths. All because a few idiots have access to YouTube and believe everything the Trumpian neo-right tells them.

    441. Sensible Dave says:

      Ruby 3:51 pm

      You wrote, again, “I have no idea what an Englishman is”.

      Ruby you are being deliberately obtuse. We use these phrases all of the time and most of us “get the gist” of what someone means.

      I assume you would equally argue that you have no idea what a Scotsman is?

      However you wish to respond, work on the basis that the definitions are the same – accept for applying to the geographical area that the respective titles suggest.

      If that still troubles you work on the basis that Scotsman is a reasonable person of sound mind and logic who self identifies as a Scotsman for reasons of a reasonably accurate and helpful description of themselves. Same for Englishmen.

      If you still have no idea Ruby … I’m not sure I, or anyone else, can help you further.

    442. James Che. says:

      Hatuey,

      You believe what you want to, what you want to hear to fit you’re believes of curtailing freedom of choice, liberty and sovereignty of people under government health advisors, that are not medical doctors, that are not consistent in their advice.

      The down side of this is that you do not want to hear of anyone that has become suddenly ill after having the vaccine,

      Those whom are ignored that have become ill is selective on your part,

      My sister in-law is one of those people this week, that has become ill after having the vaccine,
      Now being tested for covid, and a hospital appointment being made for her lungs.

      Healthy up to that point, none smoker, healthy eater and not overweight, keen gardener and has dog to exercise, no record of previous illness,

      But you are so blind and deaf in following yourself, that those that are ill after vaccines are being knocked of the record,
      And denied a voice in medical research for side effects of vaccine. You do not want to hear,
      Because it does not fit your believe, of locking a selective part of the population up like the SS.
      Quite the voices and you will never hear of those that become ill after the vaccine,

      Thank goodness I am not able to take the vaccine medically,
      For my sister in law is now more ill than I am.

    443. Sensible Dave says:

      RoS 3.49

      Like you RoS, I didnt vote to leave the EU.

      Unlike you, I have accepted that I was democratically outvoted.

      Unlike you, I am not going to spend the rest of my life trying to blame everything on Brexit because it suits me politically to do so.

      In order to test your reasonableness, and I am genuine in this request, you will agree that there are pros and cons involved in all major decisions?

      So, to show the degree of thought and brain power you are able to bring to the party, go with me on an exercise, and give me three significant benefits of Brexit.

      I’ll have a go ….

      1. We now elect the people that make the laws that govern us.
      2. We get the government and resultant laws that reflect the political positioning of that elected government – rather than an average of the EU in some laws.
      3. Hopefully, we will get to a position where employers have to pay a decent wage if they want people to work for them. It is not up to tax payers to subsidise the wages of people getting paid minimum wages and we should not be relying on cheap imported labour from poorer countries that we effectively use as low paid skivvies.

    444. Robert graham says:

      I really take exception to someone who tells lies

      Hatuey

      YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR and a plant by the British government

      You don’t see any evidence of side effects ?

      Really well if you don’t look you definitely won’t because the Media Blackout of riots and demonstrations in every city and county in the world is beyond fkn belief and tossers like you working , well who exactly do you work for pal ? Who employs you ?

      The whole purpose of Hatman and others here is to get this site closed down isn’t it Hatman

    445. Ruby says:

      Once again ‘Sinister Dave’ is unable to define what he means by English when using the term anti-English. ?

      Now he’s saying an Englishman is someone who self-id’s as English.

      Then he goes on to say an Englishman is just like a Scotsman but lives in a different geographical location.

      That is very confusing. Is he saying that you cannot self-id as an Englishman if you live in Scotland.

      He says ‘We use these phrases all the time.’

      Not sure what he means by ‘We’. If he is using the phrase all the time isn’t it weird that he is unable to define it?

      PS I know what a ‘Scotsman’ is. It’s a newspaper where all the Unionist trolls hang out. Sinister Dave would feel very much at home on ‘The Scotsman’.

    446. Tom says:

      AUOB Edinburgh march.

      Is it this Saturday or next? Conflicting info out there, although the AUOB website still has it listed for next week, 2 October.

    447. Ruby says:

      Did Robert graham not say a few days ago that he would no longer post on Wings?

      Am I mistaken or is Robert graham a fuckin liar?

      Are you finding the sums I posted earlier too hard?

      You might find the following helpful
      12 d = 1/-

      1 guinea = 21 x 12d or 21 x 1/-

      £1 = 20 x 1/- 20 x 12d 2 x 10 bob 8 x half crown

      How many 6d bits (to put in the ‘Clootie Dumplin’) would you get for 1 guinea?

    448. James Che. says:

      This is a very illogical virus,

      The higher the percentages of people vaccinated, the more covid is spreading.

      The higher percentage of lockdowns around the world, the results prove it was not successful as a medical method as the spread continues,

      Those that have had covid and recovered are being told they have to take the vaccine, as their immunity will not last, why?

      Vaccinated people transmit the virus, have to have two vaccines and now have to have boosters, Why?
      Because the vaccine does not provide long term immunity either,
      Why?

      Well it cannot be a successful vaccine.

      But does have side effects short term, but no one knows what side effects those people whom have been vaccinated will have in the months and years to come, on children, future pregnancies or on the heart and cancer patients young and old,

      I worry when someone main agenda is to incarcerate the public.
      To enforce testing on the populations.

      Covid as a virus and resulting vaccines has not been around long enough to have long term studies of say five or ten years results.

      Lock people up,
      That sounds like an agenda to-control people, rather than medical science. Controlling those who say No to vaccines is not medically proven science either at this stage,

      I see India are in the process of suing Fauci and the world health organisation. I wonder how many other countries will do the same in the future.

    449. Hatuey says:

      James Che, assuming your story is real, all the best of luck to your sister. It’s possible she has covid and you said she is undergoing tests. We often see an increase in infection rates after vaccination because people think they have immunity right away and let down their guard.

      Robert Graham urges me to look at civil unrest as evidence of adverse vaccine side effects. Your revolution won’t be televised because a few crackpots with stupid ideas rattling around in their heads don’t constitute a revolution.

      The overwhelming majority of people in the UK and other countries couldn’t be more enthusiastic about the vaccine. They understand there are risks but rightly assume the virus poses a much greater risk.

      Get a new hobby.

    450. Sensibledave says:

      Ruby 5.45

      …. You may not have noticed that no one is attempting to support your ridiculous stance.

      As I said, if you can’t follow the definitions I’ve given you, there’s nothing more I can do for you.

    451. Ruby says:

      If you were to argue that the Covid vaccine isn’t a successful vaccine because it doesn’t provide long term immunity you would have to say the same about the flu vaccine.

      I’m a bit bored with the discussions about Covid I’m now interested in the possible return of shillings & guineas and feel we need to start preparing now.

      Anyone know what you could get back in the 50’s for 7/6d?

      Why did Bastard Bill owe Blind Nell 7/6d?

      Did she ever get her 7/6d?

    452. Republicofscotland says:

      STV news, reporting from outside Bute House with hundreds or RMT workers protesting against Sturgeon on conditions about to be implemented as the Dutch company Abelio’s contract to run ScotRail runs out and the network becomes nationalised next year.

      The protestors were outside Sturgeon’s official residence door chanting and shouting, this is exactly what is needed from the indy movement to get proactive by demonstrating taking it to their doorsteps, call it out loud as the the RMT demonstrators are doing.

      On STV they too sold Scotland out years ago, and bar the (Scotland bad) news programme and a few Scots voice overs to fool those unaware of their treachery, STV broadcast ITV’s output entirely.

    453. Republicofscotland says:

      Dave @5.40pm.

      Dave, please don’t insult my intelligence with that utter pish, the Brexit vote that was held had nothing to do with laws and taking back this or that from the EU, the EU had very little control over UK powers. The UK had such a good deal with the EU, so good that Thatcher bartered a rebate for the UK that no other member had.

      No the Square Mile of London, and finance sector along with the Tufton street boys saw that the EU was cracking down on offshore shell companies and tax loopholes, all brought to light via the Panama Papers meant something had to be done, if anyone tells you we left the EU for the good of the UK tell them to f*ck right off.

      https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/european-commission-announces-crackdown-on-corporate-tax-loopholes

    454. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:

      The protestors were outside Sturgeon’s official residence door chanting and shouting, this is exactly what is needed from the indy movement to get proactive by demonstrating taking it to their doorsteps, call it out loud as the the RMT demonstrators are doing.

      Reply

      Agreed! Especially if Sturgeon is there entertaining folk
      she wants to impress.

      Cocktails are served in a room at the front of Bute House the dining room is at the back.

    455. Cenchos says:

      I thought the Murrgeons did their entertaining in the closet.

    456. Ruby says:

      Judging by the photographs of the protest outside Bute House Nicola Sturgeon wasn’t there entertaining. If she were Anas Sarwar wouldn’t have been on steps of Bute House.

      Interesting that they chose Bute House and not outside Holyrood.

      Cenchos
      The First Minister does official entertaining in Bute House. She doesn’t actually live there.

      I honestly don’t think ‘Murrgeons’ do anything in the closet or anywhere else.

      There are rumours of ‘french kissing’ in the Balmoral but that was extra marital.

    457. Scott says:

      O/T

      Boris talking about the Aukus thingummy and how the French should give him a break, in the country of his birth.

      And right on cue, a squirrel appears in the background…comment te dire ‘la juxtaposition’ en Anglais?

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58654624

    458. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Sensible Dave at 5:40 pm.

      You typed,
      “1. We now elect the people that make the laws that govern us.”

      And why was that not the case when the UK was in the EU?

      In the UK – there are around 456,000 civil servants.
      In the EU – there are around 32,000 civil servants.
      (Links below.)
      In the UK parliament – there are 650 ELECTED MPs. There are also around 800 UNELECTED members in the House of Lords, a total of around 1,450 members of parliament.
      In the EU – there are 751 ELECTED MEPs. There are none who are unelected.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

      https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom

      Now, Sensible Dave, what you have to type is why you believe that the UK, having more unelected members of parliament than the EU, which has none, and has a civil service more than 10 times greater than the EU, contributes to the notion that “We now elect the people that make the laws that govern us.”

    459. robbo says:

      Seriously wtf. Just watching that 2changing rooms” c4 crap on telly. No way I’d let any of those clowns around my house to decorate.

      eegits

    460. David Caledonia says:

      A foreigner in the philippines…… youtube

      Terrance and Beth…. they do videos on youtube and that allows them to build free houses for people from the income they get
      Couple of special individuals, well worth following

    461. sarah says:

      @ Tom at 5.57: AUOB march – 25th Sept or 2nd October?

      AUOB Facebook says 25th. As for the route…?

    462. Scott says:

      “Warnings instead of prosecution for Class A drug users”

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-58652876

      I like the cut of the new Lord Advocate’s jib.

      [“Ms Bain told MSPs that the mounting death toll represented a “public health emergency”, and that steps could be taken via the prosecution system to help.

      At present, police officers are able to issue a Recorded Police Warning to people who commit low-level offences, rather than refer them to the prosecution service.

      The Lord Advocate said she had decided that it should be expanded to include possession offences for Class A drugs, meaning “officers may choose to issue a warning for simple possession offences for all classes of drugs”.]

      As usual, the Tories just want folk to go to jail…where drug use is rife.

    463. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      AUOB Edinburgh 25-09-21.

      Last I’ve read is that they’re sticking to Calton Hill to Holyrood.

      https://archive.is/dciFP

    464. David Caledonia says:

      Why do people argue about covid vaccines, have it or don’t have it, its a choice each individual makes, its not wrong whatever you choose, I am a very big supporter of vaccines, I have had them all in my time and will keep taking them to help me remain healthy as long as possible
      People who are unemployed should be allowed to work in seasonal jobs without it affecting their benefits, I would say that all the unemployed should be allowed to work in these jobs for one month in any year without it affecting their benefits
      Give a person 80 quid a day for a month and there you have it, problem solved, a possible 560 quid a week tax free

      Over 2 grand a month that can be spent in the persons locality
      Everyone’s a winner

      Luvvly jubbly

    465. David Caledonia says:

      Two shay la plonk as they say , whoever they are lol

    466. David Caledonia says:

      I will try most things, but there is something I would never do

      and what’s that david
      I will never go near a bear arse lol

    467. Scott says:

      @ David Caledonia

      Have you been on the Blue WKD ce soir?

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58655298

    468. Big Jock says:

      Ruby I agree. Sturgeon loves good PR. Having angry yes voters at her window will not be a good look for her. She will be shooing them away.

      If the press catch on and it becomes a thing. Sturgeon’s polished PR machine will crumble.

      It might be the only way to remove her or push her back to independence.

    469. Charles Hodgson says:

      Hazmat Hatstand Hatuey:
      Let’s get this straight dumbass, I want YOU to stay locked up. And if I can help by not submitting to the vaccine mandate, I will. I will be able to continue to go to the pub, attend gigs, football (random spotchecks only I understand), etc without being vaccinated. I know you are terrified, and that makes me very happy, you miserable cowardly POS.

    470. Scott says:

      Some bedtime reading for the insomniacs…

      Keir Starmer has written a 11500 word ‘essay’ on “The Road Ahead” for “our country“, Britain.

      Is the end of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in sight?

      In this essay he mentions Wales once, Northern Ireland zero times and Scotland 3 times (all 3 putting the boot in, as per).

      “Britain” gets used 42 times.

      Also, flags are both bad and good.

      Nationalism is the flag as a threat. Patriotism is the flag as a celebration.

      Scotland’s flag is just that. A flag. I’m sure there are plenty of people who don’t support independence but acknowledge the Saltire for what it is.

      So if you like drivel early in the morning, fill yer boots.

      https://fabians.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/The-Road-Ahead-FINAL_WEB-fri-1.pdf

    471. Willie says:

      Just back from my local Morrison”s last night and by jingo the shelves are getting empty.

      The Brexit bonus is now becoming absolutely crystal clear. Fish farmers in chaos as their market colapses for their produce. Ditto the pelagic fidhermen, who like turkeys voted for a stuffing.

      And the farmers and fruit growers unable to harvest their crops. Good for them top.

      And now pork and poultry set for their holocaust due to insufficient CO2. What’s that about – reports day they’ll have to slaughter and destroy their herds.

      And the material shortages of steel, cement now holding up major infrastructure which is in decline. How much more joy in that.

      Ah well at least the big red Brexit bus with the weekly £350 million of NHS money from Eorope is getting through. No shortage of GP appointments, ambulance shortages, surgery queues now in our post Brexit utopia.

      But best of all restrictions on old age pensions and savings destroying inflation.

      We’ve certainly put the Great back into Britain. Suppose all we need now is a war to restore our pride. Now wouldn’t that be good
      after our success in Afghanistan.

      .

    472. Shocked says:

      Any comment on the criminal squatting in Bute house? Nope.

      Any comment on the utter disaster that’s the health service presided over by the most ignorant person ever involved in Uk politics? Nope.

      Any comment on the New SNP and greens shitting all over human rights and freedom of speech? Nope.

      All we get is a petty dig at the orange order when the irony is that the SNP were virulently anti Irish catholic for decades, referred to Irish immigrants as the green terror and blamed them for spreading disease and crime and stealing everyone’s jobs.

      Until people move the hell on and work out who the real enemy are nothing is going to change. Talk about living in the past.

    473. Shocked says:

      And I see there’s a fair bit of ranting in the comments about the orange order. Maybe take a look at yourselves folks because anyone that attends AUOB marches is just as bad as the OO. Things like AUOB are why I’ve never got that involved in campaigning, a bunch of con artists taking advantage of others peoples bigotry marching behind banners made by fascists in Siol Nan Gaidheal.

    474. Pixywine says:

      Coffee morning politics.

    475. Ruby says:

      Where does Nicola Sturgeon live?

      ‘She and her husband, Peter Murrell, the chief executive of the SNP, continue to live in their neat, modern Glasgow house more often than in the Georgian splendour of Bute House, the official residence in Edinburgh’s Charlotte Square’ Daily Record

      Nicola Sturgeon is only at Bute House when she is entertaining, doing press conferences, meeting Boris Johnson etc.
      She probably only sleeps at Bute House when there has been a late night and even then she possibly just goes home to her neat modern home in Glasgow.

      If you wanted Nicola Sturgeon to hear a protest you would have to make sure it coincided with a time Sturgeon is at Bute House.

      What I find strange about yesterday’s protest is that it was done at Bute House when Sturgeon wasn’t there. Had they not informed the press nobody except the residents of Charlotte Square would have heard their protest.

      Why wasn’t it done at Holyrood? Was that to set an example for other protesters?
      ie No protest at Holyrood!

    476. Dan says:

      This should be a bit of a test of the credentials and abilities of the police.
      Will they put their top dogs on the task, or will they wake up that old deaf and blind mutt with no sense of smell from its retirement slumber to check things out.

      https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1440921253800464387

    477. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/Kdnsp

      Remember this protest?

      This was an effective protest which caused Boris Johnson to leave by the back door.

      This did not embarrass Nicola Sturgeon it embarrassed Boris Johnson.

      If you wanted Sturgeon to leave by the back door you would need to organise a protest that seriously embarrassed Sturgeon.

      No point protesting outside Bute House if she ain’t there & there is zero press.

      The Boris protesters got it spot on. They organised a protest when there was major press coverage.

      Nicola Sturgeon get lots of press coverage. For example she opened the Aerospace Innovation Centre in Prestwick yesterday.
      That might have been a good time & place for a protest.

    478. Does anyone know what is happening with the Scottish independence march in Edinburgh on Saturday.

    479. Pixywine says:

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/aHBeIzPnUzax/
      Evidence against Governments is growing day by day.

    480. Pixywine says:

      All Euro MEPs do what their told just like Westminster and Holyrood.

    481. Ottomanboi says:

      After Brexit BritState at its weakest, on the scrounge for scraps not unlike the state of Scottish nationalism’s official wing.
      SHOCKED.
      For historic anti Catholicism you have to take a not too close look at Unionism to find it it in spades.
      Compton Mackenzie and Erskine of Marr were two Catholics instrumental in their particular ways in modern nationalism.

      «We know that Scottish Nationalists cannot bring in the millennium, but as Conservatism, Socialism, and Liberalism all have failed, let us as Scotsmen try a national cure. Our platform is broad enough for all to join. Protestant, Catholic, Socialist, Conservative, Liberal, and Communist can find no fault that I can see in our idea. It gives them all a chance to push their schemes in a smaller theatre nearer home.
      For us, all that we have to do is to unite and signify our will»
      Robert Bontine Cunninghame-Graham

      I do not think Alex Salmond could be accused of Protestant triumphalism.
      We need to restore the spirit that animated Cunninghame-Graham and get back to business.

    482. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/Fkdox

      Two leaks one in Daily Record another in a book written by David Clegg who was the political editor of Daily Record at time of first leak.

    483. Hatuey says:

      “People who are unemployed should be allowed to work in seasonal jobs without it affecting their benefits…”

      A lot of them already do, not just seasonally. The pay of the low-paid is often so low that many rely on benefits, and some rely on food banks. That includes a lot of jobs in supermarkets which make billions in profits.

      In that sort of context, we are effectively subsidising exploitation and giving welfare to big companies who can well afford to pay decent wages.

      It looks like we are heading into a period of industrial unrest and all this stuff is going to come to the fore. In the background inflation is generating all sorts of pressure and along with the cost of living and wages, we can expect interest rates to go up.

      Fun times ahead.

    484. Sensible Dave says:

      Brian Doonthetoon & RoS

      You both prove my point!

      You obviously can’t read and it would appear that you are incapable of objective thought processes.

      I didn’t vote to leave the EU. I was indicating the benefits that could be perceived from Brexit.

      I note that neither you of have been able to write one single benefit from leaving the EU. Not one.

      Logically therefore, we must assume that you believed that the EU is absolutely, 100% perfect and there is not a single thing that we are better at on our own or where Westminster/Holyrood should make the laws rather than the EU.

      Objective analysis is clearly not a strong suit for you two.

      Carry on with dog whistle stuff – it clearly works (Hmmm .. maybe it doesn’t!).

    485. John Jones says:

      Why don’t AUOB tell the SNP that it really stands for All Under the Orange Banner and it’s not a march, but a parade to celebrate Prince William, the future king Billy, taking his Scottish titles?



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