The Land Of No Laws
This game of football is not over.
Except for viewers in Scotland, where no laws apply.
Don’t get us wrong, readers. In the (minimum of) 32 seconds that were left to play, it was highly unlikely that Hearts were going to score the two goals they needed to win the league. It is improbable that the referee allowing the game to end at that moment (because thousands of Celtic fans immediately invaded the pitch) changed the destination of the Premiership title.
These were the scenes exactly 32 seconds, and 1 minute, after the goal.
Just two minutes later, though, the pitch was all but completely cleared and the match could have resumed had the referee held his nerve.
But back to the point: improbable is not impossible. let’s note a couple of things.
(1) The eight minutes added by the fourth official is a MINIMUM. It is very common for games to go on longer than the minimum for all sorts of reasons. When Scotland beat Denmark to qualify for the World Cup, Kenny McLean’s shot from the halfway line hit the net EIGHT minutes into the six that had been indicated by the fourth official.
It’s perfectly possible, then, that Celtic vs Hearts on Saturday could have had not 32 seconds, but two and a half minutes still to go. We’ll never know when the referee was actually going to blow before he bottled it after Callum Osmand’s goal.
(2) The annals of football, as we all know, are stuffed with examples of teams scoring two goals in a couple of minutes.
Just one minute and 44 seconds, including the celebration time, elapsed between Lyndon Dykes’ equaliser for Scotland against Norway in Oslo in June 2023, and Kenny McLean’s winner. The two goals that won Manchester United the 1999 Champions League were even closer together, at just 1m 41s, again including all the celebrations.
In both cases, the ball was actually in play for only about 30 seconds of that time. 30 seconds, then, is a long time in football – the referee can’t just let goal celebrations run down the clock, he has to add time on.
(Note also that he should be adding time on for “disciplinary sanctions”. FOUR players were booked during the stoppage time – Lawrence Shankland and Marcelo Saracchi together on 94m, Arne Engels on 96m and Callum McGregor on 97m. Conservatively that’s another full minute right there by the time the ref’s pulled them all over, told them what they’ve done, written their names down and shown the cards.)
And that’s why there are laws. That’s why we don’t just let the referee blow his whistle if a team is 7-0 down with 10 minutes left, even if it’d mean he could catch an earlier train home and both teams would probably be happy to end it. It’s not a matter of discretion or convenience. The game has to be played to its stipulated end.
Because imagine the alternative. Imagine if the crowd could just invade the pitch when THEY thought the game was won, and we let them decide.
What if the 2,500 Danish fans at Hampden last November, say, had taken it upon themselves to storm the field in the 93rd minute with the score still at 2-2 and Denmark heading for the finals, and the referee had thought “Well, it’s Scotland, they’re not going to get another goal now and I can’t be arsed waiting for the stewards to get all these Danes off the pitch, we might as well call it a day. What are the Jocks going to do, ping one into the corner from 25 yards then launch one over Schmeichel from the halfway line for good measure, LOLZ?”
Or the other way round. What if, as the BBC’s Liam McLeod said “And still we play on” seven and a half minutes into the six minutes of added time with Scotland leading 3-2 and Denmark in possession deep in our half, the Tartan Army had decreed “To hell with all this nailbiting stress, time’s up” and swarmed unstoppably onto the turf?
Do you think, readers, that FIFA would have merely ruled it a bit of high spirits, nothing to see, and allowed our qualification to stand with a mild ticking off and a £50,000 fine? If you don’t think Denmark would have had to accept that, why should Hearts?
What if the Norwegian fans in Oslo, having conceded a late equaliser after dominating the game and having taken Erling Haaland off, had collectively gone “Better safe than sorry” and piled out of the stands and over the perimeter walls before Kenny McLean could stroke home that exquisite winner?
Just a couple of weeks ago, Rochdale scored in the 95th minute of a vital promotion decider in the National League against York City. Fans streamed onto the pitch.
There were only 60 seconds left on the clock. The referee could have just thrown up his hands and said “Well, it’s done now.” But he quite properly insisted on completing the game. It took six minutes to clear the pitch and kick off again. 75 seconds later, York equalised and won promotion, dumping Rochdale into the playoffs.
Where do you draw the line? If it’s okay to end a game 30 seconds early because of thugs on the pitch, why not 60? Why not 90? Why not five minutes? We’ve proved above that 30 seconds is enough to turn defeat into victory. The only answer is that you can’t – you play to the end, and if circumstances prevent that then you don’t meekly reward the thugs with a league championship, you abandon the match.
That’s not an abstract hypothetical assertion. It actually happened literally a week ago.
The consequences were swift. In the Czech Republic, that meant the club responsible – who would have clinched the league if the game had ended normally – forfeited the match, and suffered other severe punishments.
But every single person reading this knows that despite the situations being identical that won’t happen in Scotland, because as this site has documented for many years now, Scotland is a country where nobody rich or powerful is ever held accountable for anything, and that goes double when the body responsible for enforcement of the laws is the Scottish Football Association and the wrongdoing party is one of the Ugly Sisters of Glasgow.
For the last 15 years the SFA (with the support of the press) has allowed a club that’s only existed since 2012 to claim it’s won the league 55 times, to the unending (and justified) fury of Celtic supporters. Yet those same fans are all over social media this weekend insisting that the laws of the game, which are the same across the globe, should not be applied when they and their club are guilty of the exact same offence as Slavia Prague.
And they’ll get their way, because in Scotland it’s whoever screams the loudest that wins. We’re a joke of a country with a joke of a football league that has now, because of blatant cheating in both cases, still only been won by two different clubs (or rather, three clubs pretending to be two) in over 40 years.
There is no coherent argument whatsoever for allowing yesterday’s result to stand. It is absolutely clear by the laws of the game what should happen. But not one person thinks for a single second that it will.
We’d be depressed and angry, folks, if only we were just a tiny bit surprised.
As my father used to say: “If they weren’t doing that they’d be mugging old women.”
Spot on. This ‘result’ absolutely should not stand. With the added time for an injury time goal there were at least two minutes left. Given that Hearts players were apparently assaulted on the field as well, there is a strong case for Celtic being stripped of the title, and heavily fined. And I write all this as a Greenock Morton fan. – no bias whatsoever. Everyone connected to Scottish football (and everyone else if they care about fairness and justice) needs to make as much noise as they can about this.
Completely agree with you Rev. But what adds a bit of spice to the situation is that “they” can’t just do nothing at all. “They” will have to do something. And then “they” will have to justify in public the thing that “they” decided to do. And at that point “they” will have to be somebody or some people.
That’s when things might get interesting…
Slavia and Sparta Prague are not that dissimilar to Celtic and Rangers where division is societal, economic, geographical historical and cultural etc. Throw booze and sectarianism into the equation and its a very very heady mixture. I applaud the bravery of the Czechs in sorting their own shit out. The SFA have shown themsleves historically to be spineless and beholden to big money. So notwithstanding that Celtic won the actual game fair and square, and everybody knows it, I think the SFA should do the same as the Czech football authorities. Award the game and the league title to Hearts and fine Celtic and use the money from those millionaires to fund youth football and education. Looking at the scenes in the Trongate after reminds me of the phrase, it takes a village to grow a child. This responsibility cannot be dumped solely on teachers and parents. Society reaps what it sows. We shall see what happens when the monkey jumps into the water on Monday.
Agree 100% – and with the article. Celtic may have won on the day – but the punishment must be consistent with the Czech FA if we are serious about targeting the thugs who use football as any excuse. There was clear intent if you watch the reception the Heart’s team bus endured when they arrived at Parkhead. Imagine taking young kids along – oh sorry, many do.
Feel sorry for the folks caught up in the stupidity last night in Glasgow. Sure the SFA will do SFA – but a significant fine and a 10 point deduction should be the minimum.
Another important precedent: Man City 3 QPR 2 (2012). Man City won the league with two goals scored in extra time in the space of two minutes and five seconds.
It’s easy to understand why Celtic fans behave this way.
They know the SFA will take no action.
Scottish Football is lawless for Celtic.
Well, when even the high and mighty courts have no moral fibre, and bend to the whim of some bizarre combination of the Deep State and the Deep-Doggydoo, we shouldn’t be surprised if the lower orders are corrupt (& don’t recognise it).
And so the joke of a league continues as a joke
Hearts knew it was over, that’s why they stopped chasing Callum Osmand, they knew he was going to score, although it was not impossible he was going to miss, it was highly improbable.
There was no intention by Hearts to quickly gather the ball and utilise what would have been time elapsing past the added on time because Celtic would have spent at least 30 seconds celebrating, probably much more.
So assuming there was no pitch invasion, the most probable scenario would have been Hearts, over the ball, taking centre minutes after the allotted time. The ball would have been started into play, and the referee would have blown his whistle to end the game.
It is not impossible that the referee could have played an extra minute or two but unlikely.
Hearts were broken because the third goal broke them.
Regarding the pitch invasion, anyone confronting Hearts players, should be punished.
If this was at Tynecastle, with Hearts scoring a third goal with 30 seconds left on the clock to break Celtic psychologically, I think the Hearts fans would be on the pitch too.
And the celtic fans would be whinging,too.
The game never officially ended, it was abandoned; result is void.
You should be right and back in the days when we were operating under the laws written by Stanley Rous in the 1930’s, you would have been. However, subsection 5 of Law 7 gives the SPFL and SFA a way out.
In my refereeing career, I abandoned three matches; two for spectator trouble and one where the players of one team deliberately tried to get sent off. One with spectator trouble was replayed and the other, not affecting the league table, was not recorded in the final table. In my view the one with players trying to get sent off should have been awarded to the opposition but it was also replayed. I observed in my report that the goalkeeper, centre-back, central midfielder and striker were on the touchline that day – one injured and three suspended. It was replayed and the offending team got what they wanted in the rearranged match, either the draw they needed to win promotion. It’s been almost thirty years and that decision still bothers me.
SPFL and SFA will dodge their responsibilities to the eternal shame of Scottish football.
And they’d have every right to whinge.
“Unlikely” is what football is all about. You don’t end the game because the result is “probably” clear. Ask Rochdale. Ask Man Utd. Ask Kenny McLean.
You are entitled to believe what you like but the truth of the matter is there would have been zero time left of the added time on when kicking off again.
As I said, if the exact same scenario was reversed. I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t have written a piece about stripping Hearts of the title and awarding it to Celtic.
Consistency needs to work both ways.
The same to you Alf, would you be up in arms, demanding the game be voided if Shankland just buried the ball in the net with 30 seconds of added time on still remaining?
Or is it most people just wanted somebody else to win the league for a change and aren’t happy that Hearts came so close but didn’t manage to get over the line, resulting in alternative avenues of thinking to award Hearts the title anyway?
“You are entitled to believe what you like but the truth of the matter is there would have been zero time left of the added time on when kicking off again.”
No, that is categorically, unambiguously wrong by the Laws Of The Game. The referee is required to add time for the goal celebrations. I have both quoted the proof and linked to the full LOTG text. You have no excuse for disputing it. There would have been AT LEAST 32 seconds to play.
I understand that, by the law of the game there should have been time added on for celebrations, for time wasting, for subs or any other interference, in practicality, they seldom if at all add on sufficient time.
The referee would have blown the whistle after the restart, having concluded that there was zero time left and absolutely no point in prolonging Hearts’ misery. That is the likeliest scenario, in my opinion.
You may well argue that Hearts could come back and score 2 goals in the last 30 seconds of the time left on the original 8 minutes, you’re entitled to do so. I just don’t believe this argument is grounded in reason.
Yes, theoretically speaking it is a remote possibility but in reality, it is clutching at straws.
There was no real endeavor by anyone to restart the game to play out the last seconds of the match including the Hearts players, they knew all was lost, it would be more likely if that happened that Celtic would score a fourth.
Of course, this is only my opinion but the referee simply read the room, it would have taken time to clear the pitch for the game to continue, Celtic had won, Hearts knew it and so did everyone else watching, including the referee.
He did Hearts a service, in not having them hang around while a restart was organised.
I’m sorry to labour the point but nobody, and I really mean nobody, when seeing Celtic score the third goal, was thinking, that’s OK, we just need to dig a bit deeper, we can score 2 goals and win the title.
Everyone knew it was over, including you, Rev.
Possibly the greatest example of whataboutery on the internet.
The Laws of the Game do not grant referees discretion to end matches early based on the perceived futility of the trailing team’s position. If the referee did what you describe – read the room and decided further play was pointless – he committed a clear and documented breach of Law 7. That breach may have felt to you like a kindness. To Hearts it was the difference between being denied a window in which Manchester City won the Premier League title in 2012 (2 minutes 5 seconds) and being given that window. The fact that Hearts probably would not have scored is not the legal test. The test is whether the rule was followed. By your own account, it was not. You have described the offence and called it a mercy.
just as well Hearts didnt score with 30 seconds to go. A £200 minimum fine for any spectator who sets foot on the park might be the answer.
“We’re a joke of a country…”
I disagree, but each tae thair ain thochts, eh?
“How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe’s Poorest Nation Created Our World and Everything in It” – by Professor Arthur Herman
Who formed the first literate society?
Who invented our modern ideas of democracy and free market capitalism?
Who invented almost everything that makes the modern world modern?
The Scots, apparently.
Historian and author Professor Arthur Herman (born 1956 – American historian and professor of philosophy) tells of how eighteenth and nineteenth centuries Scotland made crucial contributions to science, philosophy, literature, education, medicine, commerce, and politics… contributions that have formed and nurtured the modern West ever since.
A joke of a country? Hardly.
Confusing Scotland with England, perhaps.
It’s not the eighteenth century any more.
“It’s not the eighteenth century any more”
Quite a lot of the time, on Wings BTL, it is.
As Northy goes on to prove below at some considerable length.
But at least we now know the truth of the oft-repeated claim that Rev Stu rarely reads BTL.
Most people would classify the “modern world” as being the internet, mobiles, social media, holidays somewhere warm, electric cars, central heating, abortion and divorce.
None of which Scotland and the Scots had anything whatsoever to do with.
“It’s not the eighteenth century any more.”
The Fallacy of Temporal Dismissal (Not a classical name, but used in modern argumentation theory) is the rejection of an argument because “times have changed” without showing how the change affects the argument’s logic.
The fallacy’s structure is along the lines of “That was then, this is now – so your point doesn’t matter.”
It’s fallacious because it avoids engaging with the actual claim.
Here are brief summaries of some other possible fallacy candidates…
1. Presentism fallacy: Dismissing the past as irrelevant simply because it’s the past.
2. Victim?blaming fallacy: Mocking the harmed party for the harm done to them.
3. Temporal ad hominem fallacy: Attacking a nation’s current condition instead of addressing the cause of that condition.
It’s like mocking someone for limping after breaking their leg.
If Scotland is a joke to you, it’s only because you’re mistaking oppression for failure.
Scotland isn’t a joke… Scotland is a victim; being robbed isn’t the same as being worthless.
This is supposed to be a Scottish independence supporting blog, but, honestly – and this might be down to me not WoS – I’m not seeing it.
I see the Scots, a subjugated people, being blamed for something entirely outwith their control with little say in how their own country is managed.
Having said that, it cannot be denied that the creation of WoS and it’s subsequent popularity amongst Scots is a great achievement.
“The Fallacy of Temporal Dismissal (Not a classical name, but used in modern argumentation theory)”
I prefer the term Ancient Guff myself. Most apt.
It is a case of ‘is’ and ‘was a joke’ not being mutually exclusive. Scotland did punch above it weight in the 18th and earlier 19th centuries and this makes it far from ‘a joke’ not just historically but in the present due to that legacy. However, those days are long in the past, so do not prevent various stuff making Scotland ‘a joke’ today (not my value judgment btw).
I think having your whole worldview based on the fundamental belief Scotland is a ‘victim’ is profoundly counterproductive and also hypocritical: all those great things you cite about Scotland, a Scotland that ‘made the modern world’, were done after the creation of Union which arguably has a major impact in kick-starting those developments, yet at the same time you suggest it made Scotland a permanent victim, with a perpetual ‘broken leg’.
Four ancient universities, universal literacy, a legal system older than England’s, and a philosophical tradition stretching back to Buchanan… and you think the Union caused the Enlightenment?
That’s not history… that’s wishful thinking.
If you think Scotland needed the Union to become brilliant, you don’t understand Scotland… or brilliance.
You are also confusing sequence with causation.
Scotland didn’t invent the modern world because of the Union – the Union happened after Scotland had already built the foundations of her greatness… it’s one of the reasons England was so desperate to ‘acquire’ Scotland and her people.
Your argument fails the tests of at least five logical fallacies – here’s one, and it’s textbook:
The Fallacy of the Single Cause: A complex outcome (the Scottish Enlightenment) is attributed to one cause (the Union).
Here’s another:
The Reduction of Complex Causality Fallacy
Scotland’s intellectual explosion came from:
Centuries of universal parish education, a Presbyterian literacy culture, pre?Union universities (St Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh), a tradition of philosophy, law, and medicine, and a merchant class tied to Europe, not England.
To claim the Union “caused” the Enlightenment is to flatten a complex, multi?faceted cultural phenomenon into a single political event.
That’s a fallacious argument.
Shall I go on, or do you concede your argument’s defeat?
Try taking responsibility for your own life and stop blaming dead people.
Er, I was just commenting on what you quoted:
‘Historian and author Professor Arthur Herman (born 1956 – American historian and professor of philosophy) tells of how eighteenth and nineteenth centuries Scotland made crucial contributions to science, philosophy, literature, education, medicine, commerce, and politics… contributions that have formed and nurtured the modern West ever since.’ i.e. after the formation of the Union
You have moved the goalposts in your response to my comment to talk about things before that. Fine, I am sure they are worth considering, but they do not address mine or more importantly, the American historian’s point which formed the basis of your argument, till now; the logical fallacy is all yours.
Southernbystander, as long as Scotland has its purse strings managed by another nation, it will remain a victim. How can it not be?
Of course, there are swings and roundabouts to everything.
Not having your southern neighbour habitually waging war on you has got to be considered a boon for Scotland, as well as England.
Losing one’s autonomy, not so much.
Apologies for the question marks showing in the hyphenated text in my comments where a hyphen should show. I switched text editors and it seems to be inserting some rogue character codes that WordPress doesn’t understand. Looks like I need to change some settings.
“Er, I was just commenting on what you quoted:”
Yes… and here is the comment you made: “… all those great things you cite about Scotland, a Scotland that ‘made the modern world’, were done after the creation of Union…”
Your implication is clear; that Scotland’s enlightenment was due the Union with England.
Here’s another fallacy your argument is guilty of making:
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
The classic fallacy.
It means: “After this, therefore because of this.”
The argument goes:
Scotland’s Enlightenment happened after the Union.
Therefore the Union caused it.
That’s not logic – that’s chronology pretending to be causation.
Breastplate – we live much of our lives with various purse strings controlled by someone / something else. That does not make us automatically ‘victims’. It means we are tied to that regime and restricted, yes, and we may have little power to alter it, which is why I have sympathy for and support Scottish independence so it can be, but thinking of yourself as a victim in such circumstances is a choice, a mentality, not a given
“I think having your whole worldview based on the fundamental belief Scotland is a ‘victim’ is profoundly counterproductive… “
Not my WHOLE worldview, but putting that aside – exactly the opposite is true.
When the majority of indigenous Scots finally understand that Scotland IS the victim of a hoax in the form of the fraudulent Treaty of Union I think Scotland and the Scots might see some highly productive movement towards Scottish independence.
I asked “Search assist” this question: “In what ways can a country be a victim?”
Here is the answer.
“Ways a Country Can Be Considered a Victim
Countries can be perceived as victims through various contexts that highlight their suffering or weakness. Here are some key aspects:
Historical Injustices
Colonization: Countries that have experienced colonization often face long-term impacts, including loss of sovereignty and cultural identity.
Wars and Conflicts: Nations involved in wars may suffer significant human and economic losses, leading to a victim status in the eyes of the international community.
Economic Hardships
Exploitation: Countries that are exploited for their resources may be viewed as victims, especially if they are unable to benefit from their own wealth.
Debt and Dependency: Nations burdened by external debt or economic dependency on more powerful countries can be seen as victims of global economic systems.
Social and Political Factors
Discrimination and Marginalization: Countries with marginalized populations may be recognized as victims due to systemic discrimination or human rights abuses.
Natural Disasters: Nations affected by natural disasters may be perceived as victims, particularly if they lack the resources to recover effectively.
Perception of Weakness
Vulnerability: A country’s perceived weakness, whether due to political instability or economic fragility, can contribute to its victim status.
International Relations: The way a country is treated in international relations, including sanctions or isolation, can reinforce its victim narrative.
Summary Table
Context Description
Historical Injustices Impact of colonization and wars
Economic Hardships Exploitation and debt dependency
Social Factors Discrimination and marginalization
Natural Disasters Vulnerability and lack of recovery resources
Perception of Weakness Political instability and treatment in international relations
These factors collectively contribute to a country’s identity as a victim, influencing its status and interactions on the global stage.
unodc.org
bisa.ac.uk
You can also read Ken Mcgoogan, How the Scots invented Canad
Ken McGoogan offers a balanced view without ever retreating into neutrality.
His work is honest, evidence?driven, and capable of holding contradictory truths at once.
He neither romanticises the Scots nor condemns them.
Instead, he shows them as agents, beneficiaries, victims, intermediaries, and at times betrayers within a larger imperial machine.
McGoogan’s most nuanced insight in my view is the paradox of a colonised people becoming colonisers.
Many Scots — especially Highlanders — carried the trauma of the Clearances, memories of cultural suppression, and the experience of being treated as inferior.
Yet those same Scots became agents of empire – enforcers of British policy, participants in Indigenous dispossession.
McGoogan doesn’t excuse their actions, for they cannot be excused.
But neither does he condemn them or cast them as monsters.
He simply reveals the tragic logic of empire: that the oppressed can be fashioned into instruments of oppression.
And so the root blame returns to England — the architects of a system that first colonised the Scots and then used them to extend its reach.
A machine that turns suffering into obedience, obedience into complicity.
An empire that devours its own children and leaves a shadow stretching across centuries.
The shadow of peoples stripped of power, then used to strip power from others.
Empires make victims of us all – some by what they suffer, others by what they are made to do.
Since there’s fuckall going on in here I thought I’d follow my last braw comment with a mair chirpy upbeat yin.
Football, Love Island, Great British Bake-offs, Strictly bollocks, bees that can sew, and vast dollops of alcohol, rich food, and exotic chemicals help dull the pain, tho.
So, all is well in colonised Scotland, all is well in the empire, and the world slowly spins towards its inevitable annihilation.
Have you actually read that book? The author gives all the credit and glory to the union with England.
“Have you actually read that book?”
Yes, have you?
Because if you have you don’t appear to have grasped Herman’s argument – which is closer to:
“Scotland invented the modern world despite being a small, poor nation… the Union only gave Scots access to imperial markets where their ideas spread.”
Herman never claims that Scotland was backward before 1707, or that Scotland needed England to become enlightened, or that Scotland’s achievements were English-enabled.
In fact, he stresses the opposite:
That Scotland’s intellectual culture was unique, that Scotland’s educational system was superior, that Scotland’s thinkers were already world?class, and that Scotland’s Enlightenment was home?grown.
The Union didn’t create Scottish genius.
It just made it harder for the world to ignore.
Yes,I’ve read it. In fact it’s on the side table next to me right now. I disagree with your characterization of the book. Its argument is that Scotland only have the modern world what it did because of the union. It argues that without England’s help we’d have remained a religiously-intolerant backwater.
Obviously, you and I got different things from the book and that’s fine. Reasonable people can disagree.
Yes, you are correct — Herman argues that the Scots invented the modern world, but, as you say, he also argues that they could only do so because England “rescued” them from backwardness.
But that’s his interpretation, not a historical consensus.
Herman’s book is popular and fun. It’s a good read, but it’s not considered authoritative scholarship.
I reference it because it reinforces my “Scotland made the world” rhetoric.
For a start Herman overstates Scotland’s backwardness and romanticises the Union as a civilising force.
He ignores Scotland’s pre?Union strengths (literacy, universities, law, philosophy) and downplays Scotland’s European and continental connections.
He also frames modernity as an Anglo?Scottish co?production in a way that flatters the Union.
Herman’s thesis is essentially a story… a compelling one, but it’s not the only story.
And even though Herman doesn’t cite Joseph Campbell (of the hero’s journey fame, think Star Wars), his narrative arc mirrors the mono-myth in several ways.
That’s because Herman writes Scotland’s history as a mythic national transformation, but I digress.
He argues that only the Union allowed Scotland to escape her ‘backwater’ condition – and this is the part most historians push back against.
Scotland before the Union was not a backwater, this is the first myth to kill.
By 1700 Scotland had:
Scotland was poor, yes — but not intellectually backward.
In Herman’s view, Scotland had the brains, England had the infrastructure, and the combination created modernity.
He frames the Scottish Enlightenment as the engine of the modern world, but he also states that without the union the Scottish Enlightenment could not have happened.
This, of course, is utter bolloxy nonsense, and most historians agree with me.
It might have taken the Scots a little longer to bring the rest of the world up to their intellectual standard, but they would have got there without England’s ‘help’… eventually.
And let’s face it – getting England’s help by way of a ‘union’ was a really terrible idea for Scotland.
Still, it’ll be over and done with soon.
“without England’s help we’d have remained a religiously-intolerant backwater.”
Should that not read: “with England’s help we remain a religiously-intolerant backwater, as well as a plundered economy and a people made dependent and therefore lacking confidence in their own ability”
The real question is, what would a free Scotland have looked like without English domination? The evidence suggests that economically we would be similar to the likes of Norway and Switzerland but culturally unique in oor ain wey tae.
Alf, that was the author’s argument, either which I strongly disagree. Scotland’s success csn be put down, in significant part, to our education system which, as we all know, predates the union by several centuries.
Northcode, it does seem we are in agreement, although I can’t honestly say I enjoyed the book. He came across as a pompous know-it-all. I highly doubt it’s something I’ll re-read although you never know.
Fundamentally the issue is that you can have a pich invasion that stops a game and that decides who is the winner. Thirty seconds, two and a half minutes, quarter of an hour its oK.
And that is the message. Pitch invasions, bringing an end to the game – and that breach allows a winner to be called.
Its all about money, influence, corruption and like the wider Scotland the place is just a rotten sewer. And that is Scotland I am afraid. A rotten little pretend country on on the periphery of Europe.
And prayers tell, save for a few hundred Hearts supporters, why tens of thousands of Celtic supporters in attendance. And why tje riot police and armoured vehicles thereafter.
Quality people for all the world to see.Eh?
There was a situation up in Inverness a few weeks ago.
Inverness were winning 2-1, when Hamilton got a penalty in the 92nd minute. If Hamilton scored, Inverness would finish second. If the penalty was saved, Inverness would win the league.
The penalty was saved, and Inverness fans rushed onto the pitch to celebrate.
The match was paused for FIFTEEN MINUTES to get the fans off the pitch, even though injury time was effectively over.
Once fans left the pitch, the game was restarted, and then the referee waited a few more second before blowing for full time.
The referee did his job in that game, and followed the rules to the letter. And that’s a League One game!
That is exactly the point Le Blews.
The Inverness match was stopped, the pitch was cleared and the match then restarted for however much time was left.
That is what should have been done yesterday. That is what was not done. But it wasn’t and that it wasn’t is a poor poor reflection on Scottish football.
I’m neutral when it comes to the Old Firm Matches and thought that match officials wouldn’t show blatant bias for fear of losing credibility and their job but for Celtic’s second goal was a perfectly obvious off side and yet the officials gave a goal???
I have a screen shot of the incident but I’m unable to post it here.
I also thought it incredible to let the pitch invaders decide when time should be up.
The SFA seem to have taken the example of FIFA in doing whatever they like and don’t bother about covering up corruption.
Hearts must feel like they were mugged by a gang and then again when the police turned up.
It was offside back in the day, when the player who scored would have been deemed to have gained an advantage from being in an offside position, but the modern rules have changed. He didn’t get the ball when he was offside, and when he DID get the ball he was onside, and under the modern guidelines that’s onside. I think it’s a bad change, but it is what the law is now.
I see hearts have “hibsed it”
interesting tactic innovations 11-0-0 formation most of the game, then switching to 0-0-11 at the end.
celtic are usually guaranteed 90 pts a season, which means the league is over before the split
– this time, to make it interesting, we employed wilfred nancy for 8 games who confused the players so much they didn’t know which direction they were shooting
and you still couldn’t do it.
media reporting lawrence shankland was beheaded in broad daylight while SPFL officials looked on, applauding, was then flayed alive and his still warm pelt worn as a scarf by calum macgregor (reality check – some div runs up to shankland to give him verbals and shankland pushes the guy, and the guy just runs off – that was it – no one made a charge at the hearts fans and started throwing flares into them)
but seriously, fuck edinburgh, its all english bastards, yoon-catamites and fake-nat middle class wankers, its occupied territory and its councillors have been working towards this end for decades; every development program they have begun has been all about removing the working class from inside the A720, making it a safe space for every foreign mystery meat random trash and political grifter around – everything about the “capital” is anti Scotland and anti Scottish; we’ll keep the scenery, but Scotland would be massively enriched by having its central residents sucked into a black hole – its a fucking TR4ITOR town, an HQ for a totally bent legal and political establishment – they are the union’s first line of defence, and holyrood seeks to ape westminster with its policies, corruption and shit ideas.
Notably, the best writer to come out of there in recent times – Welsh – writes about a culture and people who will soon no longer exist; trainspotting will be a curio, a point in time, of people from leith who spoke a strange patois totally unlike the morningside drawl of jean brodie.
pundits? – a professional sports journalist who gives us insight … Keevins – “celtic have zero chance of winning the league” (they were 3 pts behind just at the split). Most of the other pundits had sevco as favourites, who spent 40M this season, to finish 3rd. Some people think danny rohl wears a toupee – this is not true – the toupee is actually wearing danny rohl, and the toupee has a job with juventus lined up.
sing with me, in the aptly named style of “JOY” division :
hearts
hearts have fallen apart
… again
just like america is the great satan and britain the little satan; then sevco are the huns, while hearts are “the wee huns”
Next season won’t be close, you had a nice run-out, but it’s time to get back in your box, stay in your lane.
– a man’s got to know his limitations.
This season celtic – sold their best players and did not replace them, drove out a good manager, lost out on champions league by losing to the worst team in it – massive loss of money, lost their best defender carter vickers to long term injury, leaving the misnomer “trusty” as the main man, had a civil war with the green brigade, brought in as manager an analytics geek who could not manage, then had to get rid of him and rely on the guile of a retired pundit to run them who miraculously managed to get maximal effect from “past it” forrest and macgregor, scored 30 less goals than normal, and got beat 8 times … and sevcos millions and hearts “analytics”, still couldn’t beat us … time to despair – you still couldn’t do it against the worst celtic team in 30 years
the celtic fans were on the pitch for about 3 minutes, it wasn’t long; had the ref decided to be a fucking pedant and play the last 30 seconds (if there was), then he could have restarted the game – at that time, in context, it was more of a favour to hearts. The game ends when the ref decides, and I am sure there will be official statements.
this grand narrative of assistance to celtic – don’t make me laugh – where-TF were the refs when that tit nancy was in charge? – we could have done with a few soft ones then. As for the motherwell game, if you wanted to cheat the obvious way would be to chop the late equaliser (on some spurious excuse).
there is a lot of time added on these days – this is a good thing as it addresses the issue of time wasting; what percentage of the 90 minutes is actual play? We should have a system like the NFL where the clock stops as soon as the ball goes out of play. And football, at least when it is “knock out” will naturally have late goals – everyone plays it cagey while still in it, but facing defeat you throw men forward (then leave yourself open at the back …)
So, no answers to the facts, then?
Could someone please explain what on earth yesterday’s events gas to do with the SFA, seeing as it’s an SPFL competition and do their responsibility?
If you’re going to preen on your high horses about what should be the consequences, it might be an idea to get the simple parts right first.
Not a problem.
Tangentially – where do they get all this injury time from these days, and at the end of both halves? Matches now routinely last 110 minutes and then they add more on for ‘stoppages’ in the stoppage time, so you have no idea when a match is going to end. Coupled with VAR taking away the certainty of almost any goal scored, we have lost two of the most fundamental givens of football – whether a team has actually scored and when a game will end. And all for what?
As for Hearts v. Celtic, it always felt Hearts were not going to be ‘allowed’ to win the league and the rules do not apply in the same way to the really big clubs – Celtic, for example have had more penalties awarded them than any other SPL club this year and there was a similar stat for Man U in their heyday a few years ago, especially at Old Trafford (coupled with more injury time than others too; ‘Fergy time’). The academic analysis of this was clear – there is a referee bias favouring ‘big clubs’, not a conscious one, not a conspiracy, but just the pressure of the home crowd and BIG CLUB status, the very serious money and IMPORTANCE driving the game, and this is coupled with an off-the-scale arrogance and sense of entitlement of those clubs and their fans (Celtic fans on the radio last night were pretty unbearable and lacked any magnanimity, perspective or fairness and spent much of their time slagging Hearts; style of play, the Hearts’ manager, and never mentioning the pitch invasion, violence and intimidation).
Following the recent story of Celtic’s late league challenge to Hearts this year, there have been several big and at best, dubious decisions in recent matches that have gone Celtic’s way, and often in the nth minute of injury time – the pattern was already set before this final match.
2 seasons ago the added time directive from UEFA came out, concerned about how little ball on play time there was per game. As a result, 4th officials in most countries took over timekeeping for added time and will discuss with ref before holding board up. There are all manner of forms needed now to keep it accurate.
In this game in particular, there was an awful lot of time wasting by Hearts with feigned injury etc.
No excuses for the neds on the pitch but the referee Don Robertson has told the SPFL delegates that he did blow for full time.
Unlawfully. He has no power to cut the game short.
He didn’t cut it short. 45 minutes at a minimum were played both halves. Time added in added time is, as with all added time, at the discretion of the referee except in the case of the game being extended to allow a penalty kick to be taken.
Even if we ignore all that, the game continues for over the 8 minutes of added time, that there was no restart during the period between Osmand’s goal and the final whistle doesn’t affect that.
He didn’t cut it short though. There were 30 seconds left when Celtic scored and the clock doesn’t stop when a goal is scored.
Once the ba’s oan the slates they should have nulled it and concluded the matter with a toss of a coin, an arm wrestle, or my favourite; a shoot out – not penalty kicks but McTomminies..
Now that at least would be entertaining:-)
Hurting much, Rev?
Fact is these uppity fenian immigrant bassas managed to win aginst all odds.
Sickening, intit?
I see you managed to forget Rangers 1972 “triumph” in the UCWC.
Cup awarded to greig in the dressing room because the Huns were doin a lot more damage than ever happened yesterday.
Not a word about Lennon actually being assaulted (as opposed to various hysterical evidence-free claims yesterday) by a Hearts fan at Tynecastle and NO ACTION TAKEN.
In fact these wonderful Corinthian spoerting fans of Hearts wore masks of the perpetrator for several games afterwards.
Just admit it, your hatred of Celtic and all it stands for has clouded your normally excellent sense of judgement.
Your own team has serially underperformed for many decades since its brief spell of greatness under Ferguson. I know it hurts but you have better things to do with your blog than stand alongside all that is rotten in scottish society.
Facial recognition will catch most of the miscreantsand stadium bans must follow. Thats fair enough, invading the pitch is a daft “Look at me” stunt.
But catch a grip, big man.
The better team won because they had better players and tactics and didnt spend every other minute rolling around for no reason. Exception being the poor Hearts boy with the hamstring. The others were just playing for yellows and hopefully reds for Celtic.
Worst bit about the day? We didn’t have Albert Kidd to present the trophy. (Look it up – cos most commentators above know hee-haw about fitba)
Confused above has it spot on.
Get over it, Stu and stick to the independence fight and the rights of real women.
” I see you managed to forget Rangers 1972 “triumph” in the UCWC.”
Well, yes, because I was fucking five at the time and haven’t been nursing a grudge about it for 52 years. What YOU seem to have forgotten is that as a consequence of that game Rangers were banned from all European competition for two years (reduced to one year on appeal), so presumably you’ll be happy to see Celtic banned from next year’s Premiership as a result of yesterday.
link to theguardian.com
Looks like Rev, as a supporter of a team other than the arse cheeks, is dealing with the implied “who’s your big team” questions. As an Arab, I’ve had it all my life, as if I secretly prefer one of them cos of some secret grievance against one or other religious tradition.
Been out of action in the Vicky for a couple of days so apologies for the late reply to your desperate attempt at a rebuttal.
So what if you were 5? You speak confidently of other events from the period so dont give us it…
You AGAIN choose to ignore the assault on Lennon at Tynecastle when you were old enough to be writing this blog.
But then Lennon brought it on himself by being Catholic in a built up area, didn’t he? You ignore the bullets sent to him in the post etc etc. I DO bear a grudge about that. Why would I bear a grudge about those proud Brits trying to trash Barcelona?
I got that upset about the whole thing that I approved the Wings Direct Debit I have had running for the past few years.
Catching up I see the referee has confirmed that the match was ended.
Admit this was not your finest hour and stick to the fight for independence and real women’s rights and that DD will double to £20/month.
But carry on encouraging twats like HMcH and Beggan etc and attacking those who stand against our real enemies and I might no bother.
Time to get this site back on track Stu. Its badly needed.
Lets agree to call that last article your own Nancy/Martin interlude.
Comprehensive article Stu. I don’t expect anything to change but an interesting take on Off the Ball about Dunfermline fans. They are concerned about attending the Cup Final next Saturday and what might transpire on the pitch. The beautiful game is in a sorry state in Scotland.
An added “oddity” to ponder. 99.9999999 times out of 100, the top team play the last game of the season at home, apparently. So it would normally have been at Hearts…
Except that isn’t true and it depends entirely on the remaining home or away fixtures owed. Celtic despite being top have been away from home quite frequently in the past 15 years.
Annoying things, facts, eh?
I’m happy with facts, Martin! Truth is essential in all things. I saw a graphic which was showing the leading team going into the last game was nearly always at home – I can’t remember where I saw it, sorry.
BBC Sport page online had several articles recently about the SFA needing to make the decision of home and away after the split – there were complicating factors and someone was going to lose out.
Watching folk playing Tiddlywinks or Dominoes is more interesting than watching the fitba.
Painting the dots onto dominoes tiles and then watching the paint dry on them is likely more interesting than watching the fitba, or worse, reading comments about the fitba.
If the Scots put as much effort into securing their liberty from oppression as they do watching and talking about the fitba… well, I suspect Scotland would be independent by now.
Golf is almost as bad as the fitba on the ‘bore the tits aff ye’ scale of boredom.
What’s worse reading the comments or writing about the comments? What with breast implants being so expensive these days. I don’t know how you manage.
100% with you on that Northy, ffs they are all poseurs who jist want tae hang on to each others jerseys, I have never seen so much obstruction of players or balls
The fact that the last game ended as it did was a disgrace and Celtic should be penalised. However, for them to have had their supporters engineer what they did was just rubbing in the pain of Celtic’s previous game which saw a very, very late penalty awarded in highly dubious circumstances. I genuinely think that the only other club that would have been awarded such a gift would have been Rangers.
Had Celtic only managed a draw against Motherwell there is no way that Hearts would have had their whole team, including goalkeeper, in the opposition box, making the third goal significantly more unlikely. And Hearts would have won the league on goal difference.
The SFA are in thrall to the Old Firm and won’t do anything to bring them into line.
What They Never Tell You About the Picts. It was very interesting just in case you fancy watching.
youtube.com/watch?v=bzXRIEQumGE
If I can be pedantic Rev, in quoting SFA regulations you are aiming at the wrong target. The match was run by the SPFL – it was their competition.
However, it appears their regulations H.28, H.29 and H.30 (Unacceptable Conduct) were breached by Celtic in allowing the pitch invasion – these regulations make it clear, clubs can be held responsible for the misbehaviour of their supporters.
Regulations H.36, H.37 and H.38 were also clearly breached, which means the SPFL should automatically invoke Regulation H.42 – cosnider the Referee’s report, any comments made by Hearts and take action.
They could either deal with the matter at SPFL Board level, or initiate a commission to look into the matter. This would allow them to take action under Regulations J.16.4 (anul the result), J.16.6 (deduct points from Celtic), J.16.7 (anul the match), or, the nuclear option – J.16.13 (withdraw the title from Celtic).
I note, however, the SPFL pauchle, the cover-up, has started: Referee Don Robertson, who is required to produce his match report within 24 hours of the game, is reported as having said he had blown for full time before the pitch invasion.
Reminds me of dear old Mandy Rice Davies and her comment on Lord Astor during the Stephen Ward Trial.
“He would say that, wouldn’t he.”
Lighten up folks!
I reckon the “chaps” going for a Saturday afternoon stroll onto the pitch might perhaps be discouraged in future and encouraged to play fair like gents if TVs Squid Games “Red Light Green Light” equipment was installed..
Just sayin an’ that..
Fine fellows football fans, the crowd is after all the breeding ground of the finest respectful dignified behaviour across the board, where individual responsibility is championed, cherished and nurtured..
YL I wish people in Scotland had the same enthusiasm and desire for independence as they do about fucking football teams , football teams who charge exorbitant prices for their team strips and change them more often than they do their underwear, causing families to pay again and again for their kids strips
Football teams who charge exorbitant prices for their matches and exorbitant prices for their season tickets, then exclude certain games from those season ticket holders and force them to pay for the excluded games if they want to see them
Football clubs that pay exorbitant wages to their star players then complain that they have to increase their entry fees to pay those greedy bastards
Football clubs that pay exorbitant transfer fees for prima donnas then complain that they are skint andhave to up their charges
Football clubs that don’t pay their income tax and encourage their greedy bastard players to join in a tax avoiding scheme
YES football is a wonderful working class game that has no class barriers
TH
Sounds like a sound analysis there.
What about footie in Engerlund! Engerlund!! Engerlund!!! though?
Isn’t that the definition of a maxed out credit card Ponzi scheme?
They thinks it’s over..
It will be soon..
🙂
Gaun the Clachnacuden cup! 🙂
“Football clubs that pay exorbitant transfer fees for prima donnas then complain that they are skint andhave to up their charges”
LOL
Aye, & then said Prima Donna is injured & has to sit out the season…
Ach, whits in 30 seconds? Hmmmm, If they were playing Rangers that’d have been time for three penalties at least LOL!
Jeezo, YL.
It’s Clachnacuddin.
Fit a fraud ye are.
Used to follow football, but not for years. However, I agree with the headline. We are, indeed, living in as country where the rule of law right across the board has been abandoned, spat upon and given the middle digit. We are in a very sorry state.
You are right, whoever shouts the loudest gets the reward in Scotland, just ask all the Hearts fans last time at Tynecastle who bullied the referee into sending Austin Trusty off during the scandalous embarrassing VAR review that the gutless SFA decided to close ranks about instead of admitting they messed up and their Ref bottled it.
Celtic would have went top of the league with that victory with Hearts completely out of the game with Celtic 2-1 up until the SFA and Hearts cheated and sent Auston Trusty off.
Furthermore, Celtic were drawing with Hibs and looking like they would go on to win until Auston Trusty was again sent off after another dodgy VAR review. The Hibs player wrestling Trusty was apparently no issue at all.
So Celtic would have had the league sewn up long before this match had the SFA not cheated Celtic out of 4 points just to keep the league more interesting and trouser some extra Sky sports money with all the extra sky games due to the engineered, supposedly, interesting final games.
What a shambles. The SFA have been a joke for decades, it did not just happen yesterday. This would not have been the first league title Celtic would have been cheated out of had Hearts somehow manged to steal a win yesterday.
The richest club in Scotland by a massive distance and that’s 15 out of 16 titles in a row. 15 out of 16. That narrative is a lot of pish.
Thanks. Very good and spot on.
I am one of the massive majority who do not bother with Scottish football – only around 150,000 fans bother with senior football in Scotland every week – and it is not just because Scottish football is so corrupt on behalf of the two bigot boys teams.
Gave up going to watch St Mirren here in Paisley in 1979 and that was just after St Mirren put up the chain link wire in the old covered enclosure across from the main stand in the old Love Street. It was Rangers who they were playing that day and their fans started to throw bottles at the St Mirren fans at the other side of that chain link barrier and some of the bottles were shattering on the fence with bits of glass showering both sets of fans beside that fence with other bottles bouncing off and back into their own fans who then started to throw them back at their own fans in the direction of where they came from who then chucked more bottles back at them. They then jumped over wooden advertising boards/fencing at the front of those stands and they started to rip off the panels and threw them back at their own fans. Yes bottles in grounds back then and thick numpties like George Adam MSP want to allow drink back into grounds.
Never been back to football since then and the main reason is because of so many Rangers and Celtic fans in Paisley etc who do not support their local team because of the school they went to and the church that they never attend – too dumb to realise that all of the LYING religions were created by the same mafias as divide and control and that even if they really believe in their religion too dumb to realise that they worship the SUN, MOON, SATURN etc depending on their religion.
Football, beer and above all gambling etc as per George Orwell and Scotland is a perfect example of that with the behaviour of Scottish football fans.
Sorry Stu, but you’re wrong. The laws you quoted are for normal time. The clock doesn’t stop with goals and as a result more than the 8 minutes passed before the game was ended. A restart is not required. Indeed, no restart happened after McLean’s goal vs Denmark.
Celtic should and will be sanctioned for the pitch invasion… I’m fairly sure the Hearts player that took a fan’s phone and stamped on it will also be sanctioned and in all cases that is correct. The climax was ruined for fans still in the stadium, and for Hearts the ability to thank fans after a long season was taken away.
However, I’m not, as a referee, standing for yet more misinformation about the IFAB laws of the game. Bad enough the absolute lunacy spouted midweek after a fairly inarguable penalty for Celtic against Motherwell, the idea that this match was somehow abandoned rather than ended is beyond the pale.
PS. The SEA have apologised for hearts not being awarded a penalty against Motherwell. If the had been given it and scored they would have still won the league even after losing to Celtic.
Should say SFA.
You claim to be a ref and you appear to know nothing of the laws of the game. The clock never “stops”. But as has been made abundantly clear, the ref is supposed to add time on to compensate for time lost due to:
1. Goal celebrations (of which there was one)
2. “Interference by outside agents” (of which there was one)
3. Substitutions (of which there was one)
4. Yellow cards (of which there were four)
And regarding the McLean goal, the ball hit the net 1 minute and 55 seconds after the expiry of the minimum added time, not thirty seconds before.
Just out of interest, when you’re reffing do you just wear your Celtic scarf, or do you leave it in the dressing room?
A scunner of a game. I don’t think Celtic FC realises how unpopular they’ve become with neutral Scots. The neddery of their fans, and apparent willingness of officials to bend the rules in favour of the big club sticks in the craw.
Scotland is the home of disappointments, but while Hearts shoulda, coulda won the league they’ve won the imagination and respect of Scots everywhere and fans of the game all over the world. Let’s hope there’s only good things for Derek McInnes and co next season. They’ve made a good pitch for being “Scotland’s team”.
Big Alec would be proud. Yes, it was a heartbreaker on Saturday, but Hearts FC’s reputation has only increased. If they keep doing what they’re doing, they’ll win trophies.
JAMBO of Hearts says that “there are only three inavoidable rules
in life – death, taxes and the Scottish Football Establishment
based in Glasgow”.
hahahahahaha what joy, seeing all the Glesga haters trying desperately to undermine/tarnish Celtic’s brilliant late season recovery and ultimate League victory.
Gotta laugh at the host here, a man who has often ( rightly ) scorned that bleat of losing fans everywhere, ie ” we wuz robbed ” indulging in exactly that pitiful wailing.
Get over it, Glasgow has always been Scotland’s most vital, energised, innovative city.
From The Red Clyde ( politics ) to The Blue Nile ( Music/Art )
Rennie Mackintosh to James Kelman.
The Glasgow Boys to Alasdair Gray. The list goes on
Glasgow embodies the Soul & Spirit of Scotland. Dry them 🙂
Don’t want to be hitting on Glasgow but the city is finished. The main attraction of Glasgow was shopping and it’s pub/night life culture which music was a main part of but this will be gone.
There are a number of reasons, online shopping, lack of disposable income, excessive taxes on the hospitality sector, sin taxes on alcohol, lack of transport at night but above all, the younger generation who do not drink any more.
Drinking alcohol is going the way of smoking and some may say that is a good thing but it destroys the positive social aspect of it which Glasgow is famed for.
“the city is finished”
The port certainly is, done in by Westminster privatisation and offshore tax haven colonial corporates, much like the rest of Scotland’s economic wasteland:
link to youtube.com
“offshore tax haven colonial corporates”
Do you reckon their boardrooms have libraries of the collected works of Fanon and Memmi, Alf?
To give them ideas for what they can rip off next?
A most topical article by the Rev. And many very interesting comments thereafter too. Football most certainly invokes popular interest for many.
However, turning to the wider social and political aspects it maybe becomes clear as to why Scotland is the second division country that it is. Or should I say colony.
Firstly one has to say that if the same passion was applied to politics in a positive way Scotland would be a much better place.
Secondly, the Rangers Celtic and to a lesser extent Hibs and Hearts reveal a biased and bigoted country riven with sectarian tribalism. And with it comes behaviours that in some are more akin to, and I jest not, moronic feral savages.
Of course not all football supporters are feral and savage, not by a long shot. But the fact that this game, and indeed other games too need to be played behind half closed doors where one side of supporters are banned so as to avoid civil disturbance and violence has to be a badge of shame. No doubt this comment will bring howls that other teams elsewhere have the same animals, but that is no defence. The sight of the celtic yobs this weekend in Glasgow City centre throwing bottles, stones or whatever at police is testimony to that.
And no doubt the national and international coverage this week end will reinforce Glasgow as a violent savage city, which in many ways is actually true.
But is it that years of being a colonial nation of porridge wogs has internalised angst, violence and sectarianism in a way that keeps Scotland as a colony.
Cannon fodder of old for the Empire do we have a problem of mis-focus now that we are maybe now politically powerless fodder. Divide and rule so as to speak.
A good article Rev and good comments all. If we could just focus our passions a tad better.
“being a colonial nation of porridge wogs has internalised angst, violence and sectarianism”
Sure.
When we look at former colonies, it’s remarkable to observe how, many decades after independence, sometimes even closer to a century after, they’re still hotbeds of angst, violence and sectarianism.
That’s not counting the former colonies that have torn themselves apart with civil wars and genocides, real ones, not wee, pretendy ones, and now regularly threaten each other with nuclear annihilation.
You’d fit in well in these places, Willie. They’re signed up to it always being somebody else’s fault too.
I used to watch Formula 1 until it became obvious that Sky TV were gerrymandering the races to ensure the championship lasted until the final day, thereby maximising TV advertising revenue. The same thing is now clearly apparent in Scottish and English football, where VAR is used to ensure the correct result is achieved.
Imagine if the league had been settled a few weeks back, or even last week – the viewing figures for Saturday’s game would have been pathetic. As it was, there was an interest worldwide and an early kickoff which allowed maximum viewership and therefore maximum advertising revenue generation.
As ever, follow the money to find the truth. VAR should only be used for offside, and the decision should be immediate as in tennis. Scottish football doesn’t have real VAR as the SFA won’t spend the money on using the large number of cameras needed at each game. Thus, as with our politics, we have ended up with a mickey-mouse version of the real thing. BTW, I’m a Celtic fan, who would be happy to see Hearts and Hibs compete for the title each year.
You should try to get along to Knockhill racing circuit and support Scottish motorsport.
There’s just been an excellent weekend of racing with a round of the Scottish Motor Racing Club Championship.
There are various classes from young Juniors starting out, Legends (over 30 on the grid), Classic Sport Cars & Saloons, to Modified Stock and Sports Cars.
It’s a way more interesting diversity of machinery and racing excitement than the F1 procession pish, and prima donnas playing sodding kickball…
Various motorsport clubs are always looking for marshals to help run events and this can be an excellent way to be close to and involved in the action.
Plus more motorsport will help end London Rule all the sooner than the NuSNP and “Greens” ever will, because if we burn enough fossil fuel we can help melt the ice caps and make sea levels rise and submerge Westminster.
link to newscientist.com
“its collapse is expected to set off a domino effect in the entire West Antarctic ice sheet, ultimately resulting in a calamitous sea-level rise of 3.3 metres and changing the coastline of the entire planet”
A sea-level rise of 10 feet will radically change the majority of Scottish cities, towns and villages. For many, “change” will mean “annihilate”.
The effects will be so dire, that we may as well just fight over the football.
Fair point Dan
However..
Enjoy driving west on the M8 when a Knockhill Sunday has just wound up?
Not really.
Keep these things on the racetracks.
Here’s an alternative scenario from Saturday:
Ni-nil going into eight minutes of added time. 1 substitution and four yellow cards in the added time. Hearts score with 30 seconds left on the clock. Celtic now need two goals. Hearts supporters invade the pitch and the game can’t continue. Amid the chaos, ref claims he ended the game and the SPFL award the trophy to Hearts…
Chances of that happening? Not once in a billion years.
I may be wrong but I don’t think the clock is stopped after a goal is scored so the 30 seconds is irrelevant in a way. Note, i’m not saying it shouldn’t be stopped just that I don’t think it is. Happy to be corrected on that.
Hearts are identifying as “trans champions” and holyrood is issuing them a certificate.
– there’s a lot of folks “clutching the handbag”, and sucking in the cheeks here
you can’t stop celtic winning, so we will stop them celebrating (even try to criminalise it)
– but it’s all a matter of context, no? Mind this one –
link to archive.ph
I saw this as a kid and I desperately wanted to be sitting on that broken crossbar.
– just like everyone else in Scotland at the time.
Just to be clear about the match – it has come out, and there is so much video footage it could not be hidden – no hearts players (or fans) were attacked by celtic supporters; none – nada. What we do have is Shankland shoving a guy who was giving him verbals and another hearts PLAYER who broke a guys mobile phone.
“is Shankland out of a coma, yet?”
– what we did have were -claims- of people “feeling intimidated” – come on, WTF is this, are we getting “safe space” shite at football games?
The real story here is that what had been a shambolic campaign was ended successfully with 7 wins in a row, the league won with a single kick 2 minutes from time. That is remarkable and should be celebrated. To put it in context – St Mirren beat us in the league cup final – St Mirren! – and they beat us well, bossed us off the pitch. That is an astonishing turnaround and should not be tainted.
So is this a good week to be looking to restore the Stuarts to the throne, Confused?
You know you want to!
Stuart Campbell writes: THE LAND OF NO LAWS: « But every single person reading this knows that despite the situations being identical that won’t happen in Scotland, because as this site has documented for many years now, Scotland is a country where nobody rich or powerful is ever held accountable for anything »
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I have commented before trying to critique Scotland’s post-2014 experience in terms of Giorgio Agamben’s ‘STATE OF EXCEPTION’ (‘Homo Sacer’) analysis. Stuart’s above statement drew my attention again to the issue.
I have today come across this good linked YouTube, which will help us to better grasp what Agamben is on about. It concerns the Island of Diego Garcia and the Chagos Islands. It is slow burning but lucid. Well worth the patience to watch it all (42 mins).
Correspondences with the plight of Scotland (though far less stark) will be obvious to any reader of Wings.
THE FOOTPRINT OF FREEDOM – BARE LIFE AND THE BRITISH INDIAN OCEAN TERRITORY
link to youtube.com
“Correspondences with the plight of Scotland (though far less stark) will be obvious to any reader of Wings”
Crivens, Fearghas!
Are there plans afoot to deport every single one of us to some other shithole?
Please say it’s gonna be a warm one with loads of good beaches.
“Homo” Sacer..
Bound to have peeked Hateys attention that one, and then right on cue..
🙂
Votes for Reform peeps (after dipping his toes in Beaker Queers Pink policies) but bats for “Streetings Team” if you take my meaning.
Or do I miscry?
Doubt it.
Just cannae help himself..
Twat.
Awww, another cry for help, eh, Young Lochinvar?
There’s charities you can go to. Ask a friend. Mind and dinna tell them you’ve repudiated the solemn vows that gave your life meaning.
International Law. Who comes and arrests you if you break it? Where’s the International Law prison? Who decides what is and what is not IL?
The Nazis were judged under IL as their crimes had no precedence. Since then IL has been applied by various countries at different times in different parts of the world. Point being IL is Law by whoever says it is and backs it up with force. It’s open to interpretation. It’s something you can hide behind. Something that can be used against your enemies, imagined or not.
There’s a new sheriff in town and the geopolitical power has changed. Leaving the UN as toothless as The League of Nations. We should rename it UN-employed.
All true, Mark.
But fit aboot the wee, pretendy jenny side?
Wasn’t wanging oan and oan aboot that going to be the ticket to oor Scottish freedom?
I’d like to think we may have learned a valuable lesson. The ten times bigger, nuclear power next door could bomb us back to the age when blue-ersed Picts were scratching cries for help on cracked stanes (ask Northy for details).
And nae cant would lift a finger to help us.
Little England isn’t a nuclear power. It needs permission to use weapons. They’re parked here, rent free, on behalf of the USA.
An independent Scotland will have its own alliances. Nae doubt some of them will be Nuclear.
It’s all change at the top now. Colonisers booted out of the GCC as they consider other options over trading currency & long term security.
International law has been developed over centuries of war & conflicts. The International court & the UN made a mockery of by two countries who think they’re above the law & their Vassals have no option but to play along like dumbos.
Punishment is heavy sanctions which have been abused for over seventy years because one of them holds the world reserve & the other is a psycho. That’s ending too. Weaponisng the world currency & stealing other countries assets & reserves was a huge mistake. Epic in fact.
Now the GCC look to trade in other currencies which will collapse the US Ponzi schemes.
I remember two Muppets, Franchise Fanny & Shiteface, celebrating on here when they fleeced the ‘Orcs’ little realising that’d hasten their own downfall all the faster & it has. Picking a fight with Irn was another who has just blown the whole ME exorbitant privilege to smithereens & not a nuclear weapon in sight. Pack up & fuck off rings loud & clear as Pakistan enters the stage.
I count FOUR *independent* nuclear powers coming to assistance should they need it.
I used to be against Trident but I think I might have changed my mind. It seems it’s the only way to have peace from psychopaths.
England will be buried under war crims & they’ll have to make historic restitution to the Orcs for all the money & assets they’ve stolen form them. Being skint & treated as a pariah is in its long term future. A lawless wee yappy coloniser who’ll no longer have its dumb enforcer.
That’ll explain why it’s trying to crawl back up the EUs arse. It has fck all defence.
“Little England isn’t a nuclear power.”
Oh do piss off, you embittered, demented little twerp.
Not a nuclear power – apart from all those home-produced H-bomb warheads, eh? The preferred delivery system – Trident – may well be dual key with the US (AFAIK), but there is precisely nothing to stop said warhead(s) being delivered by other means, be that fighter jet/bomber, sea or across land. You name it really, “Geri”.
You really are a fucking idiot.
Meanwhile in the real world, “Irn” has maybe 4 months left before it runs out of basic supplies. Doesn’t seem like they’re running out of basic supplies in the USA does it.
And of course it’s Geri’s friends in the Kremlin who are currently indicted by the ICC for war crimes, connected to the illegal invasion of a neighbouring countries with no moral or legal justification at all, and the kidnapping of children from that country. Nobody in the U.K. or Europe is wanted or under any investigation.
Tsk!
I forgot to mention Englands financial services is up in smoke too.
No longer the king of Insurance on the high seas.
Irns offering that service now…lol
Safe passage through the strait & full insurance provided too – All major payments welcome.
Yeah, great response “Geri”.
Hark at you, cheering on a despicable, despotic, dystopian, theocratic, totalitarian regime that mere weeks ago was guilty of murdering thousands of its own citizens in the streets, men, women and children in a hail of bullets, left to die on the pavements and roads where they fell – for innocent, peaceful protest.
And yes, here you are, clapping your hands with glee at the thought of said regime illegally extorting blackmail and piracy in international waters.
You are beneath contempt, never stopping to think how hard won that freedom of speech was that you enjoy and you so misuse for your bile and hate – and is so conspicuously absent from the disgusting regimes you routinely cheer for here.
Cave dweller
You don’t have permission to use any of it. Period.
Even Starmer had to grovel to Trumpton to use them on R & was told no. Under no uncertain terms.
You can have as many wee jets as you like, you’ve fuck all eyes in the sky to see where yer going. It’s you that’s the idiot, entering this convo to ‘admit’ they’re duel key. They’re not. That is a myth so the Coloniser can fleece the population into funding their upkeep.
AI Dan,
They’re under caution. The ICJ already ruled which they’ve flat out ignored & sanctioned the judges. Of course, when you own the whole shit show & are allowed to *investigate yourselves* they’ll never find themselves guilty now will they? FUD! That’s coming to an end.
R has said they will attend all future hearings when the conflict is over. They’ll bring with them dossiers of war crims committed against them, including evidence of little England’s terrorist activities against its nuclear sites & it’s innocent civilians going to a rock concert.
& I’ve already told you it can be argued it was a Just war. Apparently they have evidence of an imminent chemical attack already lodged at the UN. (which the English assassinated it’s lead investigator for – another war crim chalked up) & They had a moral obligation to protect the regions that were being ethnically cleansed when Minsk 1&2 had been wilfully broken. The law is actually on their side – those agreements were legal, binding & UN approved. You might not like it but themselves the facts. The laws of the jungle & making shit up as you go along are over.
Those children they moved from a war zone are all safe, alive & well. Probably saving their lives, not only out direct line of fire but cause they’d no doubt have been devoured by the Eppy class with a nice Chianti cause the whole world knows U did a roaring trade selling weans even before this conflict started. Romania will no doubt be called to give evidence on that whole can of worms. They’ve already silenced the one that was elected to blow the lid on all of its depraved shenanigans at its bases & flight logs.
Tick tock…
Cave Dweller
All you have is shit propaganda that has already been debunked – even by the perpetrators.
You’ve no idea what a clown you look LOL!
Do you think if you keep repeating it we’ll suddenly all share in yer psychosis?
It’s the age of the internet, Cave Dweller. The super fast information highway. Upgrade fae dial up & AOL…
I do love to see the underdog coming out on top & bullies receiving their comeuppance.
Their supplies aren’t going to run out either, sunshine. They’ve lived under illegal sanctions for over 50 years & have land borders. They don’t want a fake monarch forced into them. Well done I say! Down with that sort of thing.
Be off with you & worry about the head choppers if you want something to clutch yer pearls about. That’s the problem with you eejits. Yer so full of shit & hypocritical wankers. You’ll jump into anyone’s bed for a buck or ten, including despots & psychopaths while trying to fake moral outrage at others. It’s satanic is what it is.
“You don’t have permission to use any of it.”
How much “permission” does one need to bundle a MIRV (which is a small, compact device – small enough to be launched on suborbital trajectory by a relatively tiny solid fuel rocket) into a speedboat/sea drone, fuckwit? Or an estate car? One of your own jets? In a shipment container?
Quick physics lesson for the terminally stupid: a 15MT detonation, say, close to shore, is going to result in a REALLY bad hair day – especially from a “non nuclear power”…
Like I said, you’re a fuckwit.
“ “All you have is shit propaganda that has already been debunked – even by the perpetrators.”
Yeah, apart from that link from “I” themselves that I last posted (I’ll have to dig it up AGAIN) where even they admitted to killing around 400 of there own people or whatever it was, eh. (The actual number was at least an order of magnitude [look it up] higher of course, but even “just” 400 is appalling enough)
What is it with you reality-denying “ultra lefties”? Urgh.
Calm doon, Geri.
If you’re carrying poot’s love child, working your way up to high doh can’t be doing the wee Orclet any good.
Loving your statements of faith, BTW.
Here’s an idea. Add chapter and verse numbers, and publish the entire shebang as the Book of Ash Denim.
That’s the normal way with all religious (i.e. faith-based) belief systems.
Mind and include the predictions about F16s that won’t get aff the groond.
Include some long lists like in the Bible. Something for converts to learn by rote. How about enumerating every biolab you can invent?
And for the fire and brimstone chapters, just describe how you will personally turn up on unbeliever’s doorsteps with your portable gas chambers in tow.
Here’s a wee taster:
23. And lo, it came to pass, even as Ash Denim had foretold.
24. Great was the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the schemes as the price of gas soared. Even unto the gas sold for BRICS.
25. And many were the un-believers un-smited, as the portable gas chambers became uneconomic to operate.
I would be prepared to bet almost any amount of money that “P” will not be presenting himself or any other members of his regime to the ICC at any point. However, as I doubt you have any money to satisfy that bet I’ll just have to take the satisfaction of being right.
Let’s be clear, the nonsensical and absurd lies claiming to justify the invasion have been considered and discounted outright. No serious person anywhere with authority takes them as anything other than malicious falsehoods with no bearing on any future International legal process. There was no moral obligation or justification for the invasion, and certainly no legal justification. It is never legally permissible to start a war because a country didn’t adhere to a treaty, even if the facts supported that allegation (which they don’t). There was also of course, no ethnic cleansing. There was “R” backed separatists involved in an illegal ten-year guerrilla warfare campaign against the elected government, including shooting down a civilian aircraft (incidentally yet another crime “P’s” people are wanted for).
In summary, it is in total contrived nonsense. The only thing preventing “P” being given a life sentence in The Hague is the practical difficulties of bringing him before the court.
I doubt we can trust the authorities assertion that the children are alive and well. I’m sure many of them have been tortured, raped and murdered, as the “R” army has done both to civilians and its own citizens who refuse to fight.
Well AI Dan,
If it’s not legally permissable to invade another country then you’ll have to explain little England’s endeavours of partaking in war crimes, Jenny side & illegal war.
That’ll be interesting.
It’s why you wankers are such hypocritters.
P won’t present himself to fucking roasters but has presented through the proper, legal, channels. The UN. I’ve told you before – go tune into UN TV. You may learn something & not look such an ignorant dick clutching at propaganda.
& Get it right, it was the ICJ who ruled over Jenny & put England on notice to stop immediately or face the consequences. A ruling not time limited. A ruling everyone understood perfectly & backed away immediately, all except little Engulunders tho.
The ICC who can rule on what they like against non members until the cows come home – but even they had to admit they were bullied into that warrant & issued it with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to back it up. The judge will only be to happy to give evidence against jennacidal psychos & have his sanctions & death threats removed, lest you forget the other warrants he issued that you’ve conveniently failed to mention in yer wee story you have going on there…
But look at you eejits still strumming that banjo..
Good luck arguing that in the Hague, ya wee knuckle dragging eejit.
Off you pop now. You’ll do yersel an injury getting yersel all rabbid over the fantasy playing out in yer own head..
There’s medication for that.
“the fantasy playing out in yer own head..
There’s medication for that”
So take it.
Let’s look at some actual facts here:
– international law recognises the crime of aggression, a special tribunal is being assembled to try “P” and others for this offence.
– “P” and people around him are also currently fugitives from the International Criminal Court for kidnapping children from a country they invaded.
– Senior figures in the “R” military are wanted for murder in several countries for shooting down a civilian airliner, again as part of another illegal incursion.
– No European or British leader is under investigation or wanted by the ICC.
– The ICJ has not found any European country liable for genocide.
So you can come up with all the unevidenced, unsubstantiated drivel you want alleging far fetched plots where everyone, everywhere is lying or being blackmailed apart from the person who started a war that’s killed or injured a million people. It’s nonsense. “P” is a war criminal and will hopefully face the consequences. “R” had and has no legal or moral justification for its “special operation” in any way shape or form. It was an unprovoked crime of murderous aggression completely contrary to international law. That is the sum total of it.
“a special tribunal is being assembled to try “P” and others for this offence.”
Where & by whom?
“Let’s be clear, the nonsensical and absurd lies claiming to justify the invasion have been considered and discounted outright. ”
By who & where?
“I doubt we can trust the authorities assertion that the children are alive and well.”
They’ve already been accounted for, ya rocket.
“I’m sure many of them have been tortured, raped and murdered, as the “R” army has done both to civilians and its own citizens who refuse to fight.”
Did they use dugs or is that just a Western speciality?
I Don’t remember any news about forcing people to fight..oh, wait a minute, now that you mention it, I’ve heard of white tickets & vans out lifting ppl off the streets…but that’s your side right?
Every accusation is an admission of yer own behaviour.
As I said, you just look like complete Muppets when you think we’ll just ignore all the bullshit your side is guilty of.
Now jog on, loser. Yer Hegemony is over. Get over it. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of depraved fuckwits.
You know the answer to all of those questions Geri so let’s not start playing dumb.
On the forceable conscription point, there’s an excellent documentary on the BBC detailing the torture and murder (e.g. by imprisonment in a concrete hole without food or water) of conscripts who refuse to fight or desert their posts. I know you only trust state media coming out of despotic regimes but there’s some pretty gruesome footage to accompany it.
And yet you’ll continue to live in a free democratic country and cheer on the worst crimes against humanity and human misery elsewhere. What a state.
“you think we’ll just ignore all the bullshit”
The royal we has spoken.
Indistinguishable from the royal wee, as always.
Oops! Silly me, I forgot to include the costs..
Starting from $3,000 to over $40,00 for white tickets. Or, beaten to a pulp if ye can’t pay up.
It’s not called the most corrupt country in the world for nuffink you know & look at you all mother hen defending them.
Don’t worry tho, yer turn is coming. I’d hate to be England when it doesn’t have their £3 billions aid per year. The mafia won’t like it.
“start playing dumb”
Ah, c’moan noo, Aidan.
Not even Geri herself can remember back far enough to when she started being dumb.
And she was never just playing at it.
“On the forceable conscription point, there’s an excellent documentary on the BBC detailing the torture and murder (e.g. by imprisonment in a concrete hole without food or water) of conscripts who refuse to fight or desert their posts. I know you only trust state media coming out of despotic regimes but there’s some pretty gruesome footage to accompany it.”
Wow, & the BBC, & I’ll assume an entire production team, just happened to stumble upon it did they? In R?? & everyone was giving interviews seemingly unafraid their captors would show up at any minute. Obviously unaffected by hunger & lack of water they miraculously sat & told the entire production team their life story.
That’s as funny as that Syrian prisoner who just happened to be found alive, well & with no obvious signs of starvation in a dank & dark prison cell completely unaware he’d been liberated as he suddenly forgot he was frail & jumped for joy at seeing an entire CNN film crew. No visible signs of blindness either for someone imprisoned in the dark being brought out to the sunshine. It was a miracle! He survived the whole ordeal & managed to just walk away…
Pull the other one, ya plonker…lol There really is one born every minute & it looks like it was your minute eh?
@ Geri says: 19 May, 2026 at 3:40 pm
Just when I conclude there really is no hope for you, you manage to get all the apostrophes right.
Now that IS a miracle!
Any chance of you just walking away now? While you’re ahead?
No, former soldiers smuggled it out of “R” and provided it at significant personal risk. As you rightly point out, “R” is a totalitarian state where it is very difficult/impossible for independent journalists to operate. It’s also not like the court system will provide any justice at all either is it.
Yet that’s the kind of gruesome thing you like to cheer on isn’t it, from your filthy flat somewhere in the central belt I would guess. Safe in the knowledge you won’t spend the last weeks of your life stewing in your own faeces in a freezing hole in the ground, because you refused to shoot people who a few years ago were your friends and neighbours.
Aww..
& How exactly did they escape & where did they find the money to go track down the BBC? So many questions I doubt the BBC even thought to ask.
I’ll wait for the movie.
You’d have thought after the shit show of Iraq & staged interviews/fake mobs you’d have learned something.
Obviously not.
Are you saying this kind of thing doesn’t happen in “R”?
The Special Needs Party are to scared to condem the Celtic Thugs. Well let me condem them. Scum!
The “Scottish” football leader, the Celtics, are about as “Scottish” as lutefisk, with players from Japan, Mexico, the US, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Uruguay, Nigeria, Tunisia, Portugal, and more. The late goal of the decisive game was scored by a player from Japan. Similarly, the “Hearts” have players from Burkina Faso, Uganda, Iceland, Brazil, Congo, Norway and Kazakhstan.
BMA U-TURNS ON CASS REVIEW OPPOSITION
The British Medical Association (BMA) has backtracked on its opposition to the Cass Review, but still rejects a ban on puberty-blocking drugs.
Following the union’s widely criticised rejection of Dr Hilary Cass’s landmark report in 2024, the organisation commissioned an evaluation of the work. The newly released BMA paper ‘Cass Review: Evidence, Interpretation, and Implementation’ has praised the report’s methodology and agreed to all of its recommendations.
Dr Cass, who led the independent review of gender identity services for children and young people, concluded in her report that giving trans drugs to children is based on “remarkably weak evidence”. She urged the NHS to review its use of cross-sex hormones and ensure that gender-confused children receive a holistic assessment of all their needs. But the report left open the possibility of drugs for whom it is “clinically indicated”.
INDICATED
The lead author of the paper, Professor David Strain, told The Times: “the baroness has been vindicated in the way she approached the data”.
He added: “She approached an area of significant uncertainty with that prime rule of medicine, of ‘first, do no harm’.”
However, the review group criticised the NHS’s implementation of the recommendations. It acknowledged the “known and plausible harms” of puberty blockers, but said a full ban was an “overreach”.
HARMING CHILDREN
In the US, the former president of LGBT activist group GLAAD admitted the group “got something really wrong” in advocating for the medicalisation of gender confused children.
Herndon Graddick led the controversial group between 2012 and 2013, and was hailed for expanding its work to include people who identified as transgender. In a recent podcast episode, he explained: “I just think that we should completely stop doing anything that might harm children”.
In the UK, trans-affirming treatment for gender-confused children, including the use of puberty blockers and new prescriptions for cross-sex hormones treatment, has been halted by the NHS.
(The Christian Institute, 18 May 2026)
link to christian.org.uk
I hope Undertaker John Swinney* has read this and actually understood it before going off on one on yet another cringeworthy tedious monotone piece of monologue “right on” sermonising!
Sanctimonious so and so..
* John Swinney; leader of the yellow rosette Devolutionist Party.
An interesting article, touching on the realities of politics, economics, independence, colonisation, and their interdependence with natural resource extraction, in the second quarter of the 21st Century.
Best not read by those convinced that the Ancient Guff shall set us free.
Those sitting with hands outstretched for freebies, awaiting our deliverance by the “international community”, should also give it a miss.
link to unherd.com
That’s why the future of Scottish children depends on these God given resources. The future is bright if Scots in the here and now rid politics of the parasite socialism that destroys everything it touches.
You do know that with your hatred of ‘socialism’, your characterisation of it as a parasite, you sound as mad and ill-informed as those you attack on here in a similar fashion for their ‘moonhowing’? ‘Destroys everything it touches’; what next – the NHS is evil communism like the MAGA crowd think?
How is it we have got to a state of thinking that the idea a government can organise a system whereby people pay collectively for services they all need (like healthcare), so that it is available when they need it (like support when unemployed), and when vital utilities that we cannot live without (like water) are run not for profit but for the benefit of everyone, is regarded as parasitic and a destroyer of mankind?
People acting collectively for the greater good is just as natural and logical to humans as self-reliance is; the two can be symbiotic, not parasitic, and there is nothing intrinsically destructive about it.
“People acting collectively for the greater good is just as natural and logical to humans as self-reliance is”
Sure.
But the wokerati infesting the NHS, such as the people asking blokes if they’re pregnant, or transing kids without their parent’s knowledge, or prioritising treatment of patients who claim multi-generational racial oppression, aren’t acting for the greater good.
Like every other institutional enterprise that has been infiltrated and subverted, the NHS contains far too many carpet baggers who have parasitically taken over a good cause for their own nefarious ends.
Just as we see frequently on BTL here, with the carpet baggers whose first aim isn’t Indy, but something else entirely.
“rid politics of the parasite socialism that destroys everything it touches”
On the contrary, Scotland needs rid of offshore corporate colonialism which is destroying any industrial remnants resulting from earlier Westminster ideological privatisations, de-regulation and sale of Scottish assets, utilities and territory without the consent of Scots.
Here is the example of the River Clyde on how Scotland’s economy has been made under-developed and lacking in economic growth through colonial rule from London:
link to youtube.com
@Fakename
It’s not Hate. It’s Contempt.
I’ve just committed a Contempt Crime!
Scotland the closed!
Do you think Edinburgh would be one of the richest cities in the world outside of North America without the “foreign corporates” you’re so desperate to get rid of?
Do you also think in a million years that regardless of political governance, large scale shipbuilding is returning to the Clyde?
Was somebody posting about carpet baggers?
The River Clyde could still be churning out ships today, Alf, like the Covid Spreaders are doing now.
All that would ever have been needed is for the good people of Glasgow to retain their filthy, polluted, near dead, surrounding environment. Many of the people of Scotland, too. No shipyards, no manufacturing even, without cheap energy. Requiring a hinterland of coal extraction, iron and steel fabrication, smokestacks, smog, and grime everywhere.
Working for peanuts. No unions or other worker’s organisation. Minimal rights and little health & safety.
Shipbuilders build ships. The CCP rules. Not even the toilers in the design office get to post online about politics. Not if they want to avoid a spell in the re-education and correction facility.
But you already know all that, Alf. It’s just that you like to come on here and pretend that you don’t.
Would you just look at the fucking eejits on here celebrating their own decline…LOL!
AI Dan,
Newsflash – foreign corporates asset strip. They don’t give a shit about services, populations or how patriotic you are. Its for personal profit or even downright stealing. They move on when there’s easy pickings elsewhere.
China was far smarter, they allowed them in but they’d to train the locals & pay their dues to the state. Now they’re a powerhouse. The manufacturer of the world. Lifted millions out of poverty & retained full control of all their assets because they’re not the owners but custodians for future generations.
Unlike the UK Dumbos who have nothing to show for decades of mismanagement but a pile of debts they can’t pay & a dumbed down population.
Shiteface, that is orchestrated mayhem introduced by yer Tory mates. They want to run it into the ground – it’s easier to flog that way. Well done you for highlighting it’s problems.
Apostrophes all over the shop again, Geri.
And to think I thought you were learning something!
My bad.
Hatey, ‘Sure. But the wokerati infesting the NHS . . .’
Yes, but that ain’t socialism. Socialism is what founded the NHS. The ‘woke progressives’ are an entirely different breed and have nothing to do with socialist economic and collective philosophy, quite the opposite, they build their ideas on identity politics which can be left, right and centre politically and has no overarching economic or even social ideas at all. About the closest it gets to that is ‘intersectionality’, which is a chimera (though tbf they are similar in that they cannot stop arguing with each other).
Some good points there, Southernbystander.
I believe the parasitic infestation that is woke is too entrenched within the NHS. It cannot be removed without killing the host.
Sooner or later, our political leaders are gonna have to start over with a service that deals only with life threatening conditions and illnesses. We can’t afford anything more.
I am minded of three things:
1) The founders of the NHS believed that after a few years, the national health would be so effective in eradicating poor health that the need for it would largely wither away. Compare and contrast that founding vision with today’s reality – an out of control behemoth that continuously and inexorably consumes more and more resources. And all while the health of the nation inexorably deteriorates.
2) The discovery that in the good years of valued, skilled, hard working, Eastern European immigration, Polish immigrants brought their own doctors and dentists with them, to set up parallel health services for their own people. They took one look at our vaunted NHS, laughed scornfully, and set up their own. Not for them the nonsense of waiting a fortnight to see a doctor, or 6 months to see a dentist.
3) Most European countries have no NHS, yet most European countries have better outcomes than we do for most life-threatening illnesses.
One ponders how John Hatey Main will cover his health insurance premiums or pay for his and family’s medical treatments in a privatised setup, when he unproductively pisses away so much time btl.
No sign of the fucker demanding to be “shown the money” on just how much privatised health provision in Scotland would cost once he gets his way and free at point of need healthcare goes.
Come on then you tedious prick, shows us detailed costings showing how Scots will have access to healthcare in your preferred society.
The money orientated twat is also rather silent on the ridiculous price of fuels after the twat Trump he kept bigging up has helped create further energy price hikes.
@ Dan says: 19 May, 2026 at 9:44 pm
“prick”
“twat”
“feck”
“arse”
“drink”
You should get out more, Dan, maybe take yourself abroad. Visit Europe, explore the great cities. Be ever mindful of the dead and dying you have to step over on every pavement, on every subway. In the galleries, theaters, cafes, airports, restaurants and stations.
All preventable diseases and curable conditions too. It’s criminal and tragic. But you see, the backwards, benighted heathens have no NHS.
Man, Dan, if your sainted NHS could only set you right in the head, then perhaps I’d look upon it more kindly.
So just diversion and no effort to provide detailed costings on the health provision model you want.
Yer not the most alert bawbag are you? No “rational or sane” individual would still be squandering so much of their time arsing around btl on a site which now has so little effect on improving Scotland’s lot.
If you were even half alert over the years you’ve been on here you’d have picked up that I’ve already lived a life that has encompassed much of what you say I should be doing.
Several summers spent in the US and driving round most of it, several summers working across mainland Europe, a visit to Romania with medical supplies post Ceausescu and seeing what a failed state looks like. A visit to the UAE.
Then onto offshore work which had me travelling to Albania, Egypt, Italy, Netherlands, Norway.
So over the decades I’ve seen plenty other countries and the positive and negative aspects of how people exist within them.
But how other countries run themselves is not for me to decide, I’d far rather there was more focus and discussion on improving how the country I do live in is run for the betterment of Scots.
I only drop in occasionally now as got far more interesting and fulfilling things to be doing with my time and brain than being on here every waking minute reading what sad sack disruptors like you post.
Dan @ 9.44
It’s because he’s a Scotchland office superannuated/ private healthcare scheme tax hating/ aspiring evader Harry hoofter with zero family (anyone ever heard him ever alluding to them?!) who is narcissistically self absorbed, overpaid and underemployed having achieved in their life the square root of zilch other than a debating society medal from St Trinians back in the day!
Now the “slit Jimmies” and Uncle Sam (as alluded here by GP) “sponsor” his underemployed main line of work come “side hustle” of hating brown people and generally talking sh1te to spoil a site.
Ignore him, he’s a sad wee man destined to become biologically nothing more than a fading question mark..
Answer that Jolly Boy John, because just projecting yer own foibles back on yer accusers just isnae cutting it..
@ Dan says: 19 May, 2026 at 11:39 pm
“Never mind the “prick” and “twat” post from earlier. Can I do reasonable now?”
Maybes naw.
Tell you what, Dan. You take the time to call the likes of the loathsome Geri out a few times. Consistently apply your holier than thou principles to the sad sack disruptors who you believe are notionally “on your side”. Then we can look at an alternative health model for Scotland.
Or, even better, get some knowledgeable people to throw in their input. Because they might, if BTL could be cleared of all the lunatics and low lifes.
Something a reasonable reader might conclude you should be in favour of.
Child to parent: When I grow up I want to be a socialist.
Parent to Child: You can’t do both.
Parent to Child: Can we both agree to delete that WhatsApp exchange?
Child to Parent: I’ve already forwarded it to the people dealing with conversion therapy and online hate crime.
Parent to Child: Whatever. Come doonstairs. Yer tea’s oan the table. Fish fingers.
Child to parent: Tell me again about how you stood up for our future Daddy.
The NHS is doing so well that the Health Minister has walked away. Got bigger fish to fry.
No true Health Minister could be seen dead eating fried food.
@Alf
Can you say something without sounding like a political reference manual stolen from the library.
‘MY DAUGHTER FELL DOWN THE TRANSGENDER RABBIT HOLE’
A mum has told how her gender-confused daughter was set on the pathway to social and medical ‘transition’, resulting in a breakdown in their relationship.
Speaking to The Daily Telegraph under the name ‘Sarah’, the distraught mother believes her daughter — referred to as ‘Charlotte’ — was first introduced to transgender ideology through a PSHE lesson in primary school.
Sarah recounts that Charlotte was subsequently affirmed in the lie that she had been ‘born in the wrong body’ by online influencers, teachers and pro-trans medics.
TRANS ACTIVISM
During lockdown, Sarah explained, “Charlotte spent many hours alone, online, in her room” and encountered “an absolute breeding ground for trans activism”.
It was at that time, she said, Charlotte “fell into a rabbit hole”.
She recalls: “The first time I knew my daughter felt different was when she texted me from a bus stop one Sunday morning. ‘Hi, I think I’m transgender.’ That was it. She was still only 12.”
SECRECY
Charlotte told Sarah she had chosen a ‘gender-neutral name’, but it was not until a parent’s evening weeks later that it transpired the school had been using her daughter’s ‘preferred pronouns’ without parental permission.
“Hearing my daughter being referred to as a ‘he’ for the first time wasn’t just jarring, it was jaw-dropping. How had this happened behind my back?”
Despite Sarah raising concerns about her daughter socially transitioning in school, and “arguing that it seemed to be a path to medical transition”, the school refused to listen.
SEX-SWAP DRUGS
Charlotte’s ‘transition’ was facilitated by her father — Sarah’s ex-husband — who was “quick to affirm our child changing gender, adopting her horrible new name and male pronouns.
“Whereas I was devastated to have lost a daughter, my ex seemed perfectly happy to have gained another son.”
At just thirteen, Charlotte was already binding her chest. Two years later she began taking puberty blockers — drugs prescribed, with her dad’s permission, by the controversial Gender Plus Hormone Clinic, but only after the local GP had refused. At sixteen she started on sex-swap hormones.
Her mum concluded: “I yearn to have my child in my life again, but I just don’t think I can ever accept her as a man. I will keep fighting for these drugs to be banned in children and I won’t rest until more is done to safeguard our young people.”
(The Christian Institute, 19 May 2026)
link to christian.org.uk
Parallels in the world today.
The gangsters in Persia are hiding in tunnels and are in total denial of the reality outside. One of their friends is in a similar situation in Downing street. Hiding and in total denial of the reality outside.
Are the Persian gangsters piling their own women and kids on top yet? To intercept any incoming with their bodies?
I dont know but the goats are terrified.
Stand down guys..
TACO has just wet his pants.
The reality of the outside world has refused to honour his big gob in writing cheques his arse can’t cash. Step away from lie social & gies all peace.
The GCC aren’t playing with the paper tiger anymore. They’re weighing their options.
A. Stick with the Psychos from the other side of the world who’ve proven they can’t defend us & will want us to spend $billions rebuilding their bases on our soil..or..
B. Just get on with the fucking neighbours & trade freely.
Hmmmmmm… popcorn time!
Nae popcorn fer ye, Geri.
Ye’ll cram yer sheep’s eyeballs doon yer scrawny thrapple, and like it.
“Get on with the fucking neighbours & trade freely.”
Just a few things wrong with that Gerry; Firstly you have nothing they want. You have nothing to trade with. Secondly if you shout abuse at your neighbour for years don’t be surprised or hurt when you’re told to go fuck yourself and thirdly ‘In times of famine even the devil must eat flies.’
They own the waterways. That’s a pretty big card to have. It controls everything in & out.
I’m sure the GCC are going to jettison the relationships they have with wealthy western countries like the USA, who are the whole basis of their economic performance, in favour of a poor country run by a mad religious theocracy which may collapse at any minute, and who has just been bombing them.
Irn is currently under siege and maybe has 4-months. Are they putting the big ports like Seattle under pressure? If not, they don’t have the cards.
@ Geri says: 19 May, 2026 at 3:01 pm
“They own the waterways”
How odd.
When writing about Scotland’s coastline and our adjacent waterways, Geri always asserts we Scots own them.
But the countries across the straits from the lassie haters aren’t permitted those same rights.
Must be something that happens when you’re crammed into a letter box – you lose the ability to think logically and consistently.
Gawd, whit a bunch of hyenas.
The GCC don’t need the USA. It’s the other way around. America needs GCC money to invest in bullshit enterprises to keep their ponzi stock market afloat. They receive nothing in return other than protection & that myth is now well & truly busted considering their $billions of weaponry were reduced to ashes within hours.
I know it’s difficult for you Colonisers to understand but out in the real world there is this thing called trading with other countries, for REAL money in exchange for REAL goods & in whatever currency & whatever goods they choose. The whole of Europe wouldn’t say no to cheap energy & gas now would they? Oh, that’s right, the markets are only open & free to American Monopolies. That’s another myth busted.
Not limited, capped, manipulated or giving over real tangible products in exchange for printed paper that the Colonisers may steal back at a later date.
Irn isn’t poor. It’s lived under illegal sanctions. & Don’t get all mouthy on their regime. Their neighbours aren’t exactly fucking Disney Land are they? All dressed up as fake monarchs & head chopping on Fridays. No sedative required.
& Don’t be giving us that four months to survive pish. We’ve heard the exact same about R for five years now. Their collapse is imminent – aye, all the way up to Odessa LMFAO! Still fighting with shovels no doubt.
GCC is despised by their populations. Wee Barbara fae Manchester semi naked trampling all over Mecca in flip flops eating egg & chips is an insult along with all the Only Freaks influencers. That’d be the only reason some would remain tied to the USA cause their fake monarchs would be overthrow by their own people in a heartbeat when the yanks are no longer terrorising the neighbourhood.
“Wee Barbara fae Manchester semi naked trampling all over Mecca in flip flops eating egg & chips is an insult”
C’moan, Geri!
Dae Big Barbs next! Fit aboot her?
Since you’ve obviously never been there, don’t know anyone that’s worked there and haven’t done any reading on the subject, I’ll break it down for you:
– staying close to the US means attracting high net worth individuals and investors, as well as research, innovation and academia. It provides for lucrative long term investment opportunities for those states securing their future beyond oil. It also provides income from wealthy tourists.
– pivoting to be close to “Irn” a poor nation with a GDP per capita of around 8% of the US’s means low value trade in basic commodities and a subsistence existence.
If you were an advisor to any of the GCC governments (god imagine that) which strategic option do you think works best?
AI Dan,
Whit a moron you are.
High worth *individuals* are of very little benefit to any country.
What exactly has Only Freaks, influencers & Old age pensioners brought to the GCC? Absolutely nothing but a bad rep while imported modern day slaves pamper to their every whim.
They certainly don’t bring research, innovation and academia now do they?
Btw, Yer talking about an ancient civilization. The lands that brought you yer A,B, C, ya thicko! Long before you emerged fae yer cave to share yer English exceptionalism of how they’re all backwards.
They already have a future beyond Oil. They certainly don’t need some bankrupt Limey, whose biggest claim to fame is jam, jellied eels & outright thievery around the globe, giving them economic advice. It certainly isn’t the property developers either – fleecing the GCC of $billions straight into their private accounts.
Irn isn’t a poor nation. Colonisers made it that way by imposing illegal sanctions on them & proudly boasting it squeezed their economy. Do keep up.
Yet they still managed to outplay the eejits with $billions sloshing around.
The strategic option is for the entire region to kick out the US Colonisers & the English cling-ons & remain independent countries in full control of their own resources, to trade with whomever they want to trade with & to make their own alliances with their neighbours. Nothing good comes from Colonisers. Just war, disruption, destabilising entire regions & displacement. A truly Satanic curse to the world.
America is in real trouble. It spends more than it earns & its markets are just one giant Ponzi scheme. It’s also on the verge of civil war as ppl who can’t afford to live or receive medical care watch useless aresholes fleece the country of $billions through corruption or wasting $billions blowing shit up abroad that was absolutely no threat to them.
Massie being out will just be another nail in its coffin. $32 million *buys* a congressman these days that serves the interests of a foreign government. I think that may just tip it over the edge. It certainly ends the notion of democracy. It has rigged written all over it.
These guys? Giving anyone advice? LOLz! Away & sit down, ya dunce!
Well look everybody, today we have Geri’s economic master plan for the UAE, and she even stayed up until 2:30 in the morning researching it, in summary:
– shut down the 5x America universities, and break off the incredibly strong ties the UAE has built up over decades with other western universities;
– expel Western tourists, meaning abandoning all the luxury hotels and resorts, also close Emirates and Etihad;
– expel the western banks, law firms, engineering firms etc. shutting down the UAE as a hub for finance and making any further major projects impossible to deliver; and
– focus on trading low value goods with bankrupt neighbouring countries like “Irn” and Yemen.
It’s a lovely plan Geri. I think you might struggle to persuade many of the people in charge that being poor, backward and isolated is the way to go, but maybe if you bang on (as you have been for many years) about how the American economy is about to implode you might get somewhere. You’ll have to get around the thorny issue of the cholera outbreak as well, again explaining why (as in Yemen) 2.5m cases of Cholera over three years is actually a good thing is tricky but I’m sure you’ve got the rhetorical devices ready.
@ Aidan says: 20 May, 2026 at 6:36 am
And zilch about Big Barbs fae the scheme semi naked trampling all over Mecca in flip flops chugging Bucky.
That’s what I wanted to hear about!
Lived experience is key. We must always go to the source for the authentic viewpoint.
Non-Muslims aren’t even allowed into Mecca, but of course Geri doesn’t know that because Geri barely knows anything, unless it comes from one of her hysterical, conspiratorial YouTube channels.
@ Aidan says: 20 May, 2026 at 8:02 am
Ah, c’moan noo, Aidan. Cut the lassie some slack.
She’ll be thinking o Mecca Bingo.
“Non-Muslims aren’t even allowed into Mecca”
This is true, but you make the mistake of assumption, AI Dan.
You assume wee Barbara fae Manchester is NOT Muslim.
Anyone can become a Muslim regardless of their previous religion, culture, or background, by sincerely declaring faith in the oneness of God and accepting Muhammad as His messenger.
And perhaps, if she wasn’t already Muslim, wee Babs fae Manchester chose to adopt that religion and in doing so became entitled, as a Muslim, to visit Mecca.
Colonialist artificial intelligences aren’t programmed in Logic, it seems.
Note: The entire italicization of my previous comment is not intentional… I screwed up and forgot to close the HTML italicization brackets.
No special meaning should be attached to my comment’s italicization.
Let’s not be stupid Northcode, “Barbara fae Manchester” is a stereotype for a certain type of “Brits abroad” you get walking around in Benidorm or Fuerteventura. She’s not a named identifiable person who might have converted to Islam.
AI Dan
They can do all of those things themselves, ya dunce. They don’t need Colonisers fleecing them & taking over their way of life thousands of miles from their own decaying shit hole.
Aye, I’ve heard about those Universities. Pushing American propaganda & a certain book down their throats as their “academic study” Political commentators find it particularly insulting because a real life, live, Jenny side is happening just further up the map. They don’t need to read about it in book club. But that’s Colonisers all over, taking over Education, media & finance. Got to keep pumping out that hate on a daily basis while keeping a watchful eye on the finances.
Of course non Muslims can’t go to Mecca. It’s not a fucking theme park, ya eejit. It’s a holy site where people go on pilgrimage. It’s not some lager lout tourist destination – so pack up yer Butchers Apron kecks & stick to Blackpool for yer egg & chips.
They’d be wise to choose their neighbours, ALL of them, stop fixating on just one. But those regimes are all hand picked puppets that have awful human rights records & are theocratic. This is where you are a hypocritter because you claim it’s everything you hate about Irn (despite it being a democracy) but the GCC are apparently great LOL!
Do we notice that Colonisers don’t actually like democracy? They hone in secular countries & instal a religious fanatic brandishing a sword while they’ve the nerve tae clutch their pearls in angst at others who refuse to bend the knee & be overthrown.
You fool no one, ya dunce. We don’t all zip up the back but clearly you do. The propaganda is strong in you. I’ve beans to sell…
“Let’s not be stupid Northcode…”
I was only highlighting your stupidity with some stupid of my own.
You were the one who took Geri’s perfectly fitting example of the ‘Babs from Manchester’ stereotype and attempted to use it in a failed ad hominem attack against her with this: “Non-Muslims aren’t even allowed into Mecca”
Does that include non-Muslim stereotypes, anaw?
Geri is running rings around you colonialists, by the way.
She hits the mark every time… which is why you and your chums keep coming back at her with insults – you have nothing else.
They can do all this stuff themselves can they. Well that’s good news, now that they can do without the nearly 90% of their population of are expats they won’t be needing to pay the vast salaries (with no income tax) to attract professionals from the west will they?
I am conflicted here, because I’ve got two opinions to go on:
– opinion a) Geri: Likely a penniless drunk living somewhere in the central belt allowing her already limited mind to be further poisoned by misinformation and conspiracy theories;
– option b) the collective view of highly educated senior leaders across a range of fields with decades of senior leadership experience in multi-billion dollar companies and governments.
Opinion a) says kick out all the colonisers and oppressors, a view expressed in unhinged diatribe/ranting often in the early hours of the morning.
Opinion b) points out that the success of the UAE, building world leading cities in the desert from virtually nothing since the 1970’s, has been heavily driven by the UAE’s ability to attract talent, visitors, knowledge and investment from the west. This view is supported by a wealth of detailed evidence, research, data, studies etc conducted by some of the most capable people in the world.
I can’t wait to hear about what your take would be on the masterplan for a post-Indy Scotland. 100m electric fence from Gretna to Berwick and then bring in the Wagner group?
Hahaha.
So Geri said: “Wee Barbara fae Manchester semi naked trampling all over Mecca in flip flops eating egg & chips is an insult along with all the Only Freaks influencers“
And I pointed out that Wee Barbara isn’t even allowed into Mecca. Any normal person would be deeply embarrassed and ashamed by such ignorance and having made such a stupid mistake, in public, for everyone to read. Not you though, for you it’s “shit I forgot to put my trousers on this morning, oh well, too late to do anything now, better just walk around until I get arrested”.
Do you realise how profoundly humiliating you and Geri are to the independence movement?
“She hits the mark every time… which is why you and your chums keep coming back at her with insults – you have nothing else.”
Ha ha ha ha! You think? 😀
Only if you’re the kind of guy who believes he’s an 800-year old Pict, with Oscar Wilde’s mobile number… [apologies to Four Weddings and a Funeral for the latter gag]
To the rest of us, “Geri” comes across as a foul-mouthed, low IQ, delusional (non UK resident) foamer, who, by way of example, doesn’t seem to get that the UK is a nuclear power (despite piles of home-produced H-bombs lying about the place) and “I” is the very definition of a totalitarian State.
You guys, eh. Hilarious! 🙂
“…who believes he’s an 800-year old Pict, with Oscar Wilde’s mobile number…”
Shall we dance?
“To the rest of us, “Geri” comes across as… “
You must mean to the rest of you English who fart aboot this place.
The problem you have, one of many being an English, is that you don’t understand anything about the Scots.
Geri is a Scot with a Scot’s wit and sense of humour… which no English ever has understood nor can ever hope to.
Geri’s genius is far yont yer comprehension, and so you insult her because you are incapable of understanding her superior Scottish intellect.
In fact, aw the Scots wha comment here are far superior in every possible way tae the English that roam this place and who bring nothing but insults and anti-Scots rhetoric.
And don’t be such a rude cunt, Cavecreature, it’s unbecoming – even for an Inglis, and there’s nae need for it… you only let yersel doun.
Try and rise above the limitations of your Englishness and be more like us braw Scots – maybe then you’ll reach high enough tae glimpse oor greatness.
Characteristically verbose bollocks from you, Northcode; an awful lot of words – a meandering, trademark pretentious word-salad saying pretty much fuck all no less – that doesn’t address either of the two simple points that I raised about yer man Geri:
(1) How could the UK, a country that has the tech, materials and in-house expertise to build its own H-bombs, many of which are lying about in stockpiles ready for deployment, be considered a “non-nuclear State”, according to Geri
(2) How could “I”, a country that even by its own admission killed many of its own citizens; has no freedom of speech or free press; has even switched off the internet to the entire population, not be considered “totalitarian”? (Whereas poor old Blighty is the worst thing ever, apparently)
As his/her self-appointed spokesman (apparently lol), given that the dearth of any response from the horses mouth and all that, perhaps you can offer an actual explanation. I’m sure we’d all love to hear it. TIA. 🙂
I am not Geri’s spokesman, and I’m certain Geri is very capable of fighting her own corner without my help, but when I see 4 or 5 colonialists ganging up on a liberty-seeking Scot in this place I offer my support – hauners in the parlance of Scots.
It’s something we see often with you lot… must be an English thing to gang up thegither and bully folk in a weaker position.
Anyway, to your questions:
“How could the UK… be considered a “non-nuclear State”, according to Geri”
Where does Geri make that claim, and if she did, in what context did she make it?
“How could “I”… not be considered “totalitarian?”
The country you refer to is controlled by an authoritarian regime (which probably won’t last forever, they never do)… which is something entirely different from a totalitarian state.
Even early to mid-century Germany never quite made the grade as a totalitarian state.
So, Geri is absolutely correct in saying, if she did say it and you aren’t twisting her words, that the country you refer to is NOT a totalitarian state.
You say, “…poor old Blighty is the worst thing ever, apparently.”
Now that you mention it, and speaking of authoritarian regimes, there is growing public concern and expert commentary suggesting that the UK government is shaping a future society increasingly divided into three distinct tiers: the rich and elite, an enforcing class, and a struggling poor majority.
Experts believe this risks creating an authoritarian society where wealth and power is concentrated at the top, leaving behind a large majority population facing precarious work or unemployment.
“The country you refer to is controlled by an authoritarian regime”
Well that’s interesting Northcode, because above Geri stated that this country was in fact a democracy.
“It’s something we see often with you lot… must be an English thing to gang up thegither and bully folk in a weaker position”
Geri is only in a weaker position because her arguments are irrational, demented and absurd and expressed in a completely deranged way. That’s not our fault.
“Well that’s interesting Northcode, because above Geri stated that this country was in fact a democracy.”
Yes, Geri did state that Persia is a democracy, AI Dan.
Here’s what Geri actually said: “This is where you are a hypocrite, because you claim it’s everything you hate about Irn (despite it being a democracy)…
Geri merely states a fact.
Persia IS a democracy – admittedly in much the same way Scotland is a democracy – and holds parliamentary elections every 4 years.
Westminster’s authoritarian English Government, using the pretence of a ‘Scottish’ Parliament as a front, rules over the Scots and completely ignores their wishes – although it does offer the Scots the illusion of democracy every 5 years.
In fact, it could be argued that Persia is even more democratic than Scotland.
“It’s something we see often with you lot… must be an English thing to gang up thegither and bully folk in a weaker position.”
Ah, Northcode. I do realise that your grasp of reality is tenuous indeed, but even you can’t have failed to notice (in between your endless and frankly embarrassing fawning, as here) that “Geri” is a deeply unpleasant, highly aggressive and abusive poster?
If he/she attracts entirely justified criticism from others who share the same platform, that can hardly come as a surprise to anyone, even you. FYI I do not “bully” anyone: as you yourself have just said (if you can even recall doing so), “I’m certain Geri is very capable of fighting her own corner”. So take your feeble guilt trips elsewhere.
“Where does Geri make that claim, and if she did, in what context did she make it?”
Oh do come along now, Northy, do you seriously expect me to believe you don’t know, being as you’re on here endlessly spouting (at great length) day and night, hmm? No?
Sigh. Let’s humour you then, shall we? Here is the verbatim quote, the date, time (it was in ‘The Land Of No Laws’ btl chat, go take a look for yourself):
Geri says:
19 May, 2026 at 9:18 am
Little England isn’t a nuclear power. It needs permission to use weapons. They’re parked here, rent free, on behalf of the USA.
As you will note, Geri has made a characteristically sweeping, crass and demonstrably false claim that “Little England” isn’t a nuclear power – despite it being objectively true the the UK has built its own thermonuclear warheads entirely independently of the USA or anyone else; it demonstrably has the in-house expertise, tech, highly enriched raw materials. Further, it has some of the world’s most advanced nuclear material processing facilities (Sellafield), no fewer than five of its own large scale nuclear raectors – with Sizewell C under construction! Not bad for “isn’t a nuclear power” eh!
Now, perhaps as you’ve been furnished with the verbatim quote, you’ll no doubt answer my original question, again reproduced for you:
(1) How could the UK, a country that has the tech, materials and in-house expertise to build its own H-bombs, many of which are lying about in stockpiles ready for deployment, be considered a “non-nuclear State”, according to Geri
Yeah, as if though eh! 🙂 Probably be some verbose nonsense with plenty of reference to “Inglis” and the genetic superiority of the Picts etc. I’ll not hold my breath pal.
“The country you refer to is controlled by an authoritarian regime (which probably won’t last forever, they never do)… which is something entirely different from a totalitarian state.
Even early to mid-century Germany never quite made the grade as a totalitarian state.
So, Geri is absolutely correct in saying, if she did say it and you aren’t twisting her words, that the country you refer to is NOT a totalitarian state.
What utter piss poor sophistry. Laughable.
It’s probably a good idea to take a look at the formal dictionary definition of the term “totalitarian”:
Totalitarian (adjective)
1. Refers to a highly centralized political system or government that prohibits political opposition, outlaws individual resistance, and exercises an extreme degree of control over both the public and private lives of its citizens.
Key characteristics of a totalitarian regime include:
2. One-Party Rule: Only a single political party is permitted to exist, and opposition is strictly forbidden.
3. State Control: The government heavily regulates or completely controls society, the economy, the press, and the personal liberties of the people.
4. Coercion & Propaganda: Strict subordination of the individual to the state is enforced through fear, mass surveillance, and widespread propaganda.
So in the case of “I”, we can objectively, inarguably state that Conditions 1, 3 and 4 are wholly met, and even Condition 2 is effectively met in any meaningful sense, notwithstanding the factionalism of the theocratic governance. “I” therefore demonstrably is, beyond any shadow of a doubt “totalitarian” – and that’s before you additionally factor in all the killing of innocent protestors, the absence of any free press or even journalists, shutting off the entire internet since January and all the rest.
TL;DR: Geri is once again provably shown to be talking utter mince, as indeed you are. 🙂
OK, I think a well earned cup of tea and a Tunnocks is in order, don’t you? Toodle pip. 🙂
AI Dan
Get over yersel.
The GCC, that you apparently love, are authoritarian monarchies, have awful human rights records & rule by force. Over 400 people were decapitated last year in Saudi alone. Let’s not mention the jurnos who are dismembered & given a nice wee acid bath on occasion.
The populations of those countries don’t want wee Barbara wondering why she can’t go to Mecca for a nosey. Cause it’s her “right” They don’t actually like you there, period. *shocker – I know!* Yer Colonising wankers deliberately protecting tyrants that they’d otherwise overthrow if they didn’t have the colonial dumb enforcers & a gazillion GI Joe’s on their territory protecting head tribesman turned wannabe monarchs.
They don’t want Western schools, Universities & troops. They come with bad news.
That was the whole reason Irn went Independent & run the puppet monarch out of town. They ARE a democracy whether you like it or not. How they run their country is fuck all to do with you. They’re also an entirely different religion who doesn’t believe in monarchs – so it’s all the more ignorant of the West to try impose one on them against their beliefs. They have various levels of democracy. It isn’t just one man. Same as R & China although if you listen to you propagandists you’d think it was one man running the entire country.
Your a hypocrite because you love the actual Tyrants in the region but for some strange fucked up reason – you despise the one that’s an actual democracy that won’t bend the knee to a Western overlord. Yer a wee colonial wanker clutching yer pearls & crying about it. Yet you’d no doubt be first with yer fleg marching on Westminster if they were nosepoking into your shit show that is Westminster.
Keep out of their business & they’ll keep out of yours. We all see what happened with Iraq & Syrias “Liberation” the Oil wealth suddenly spirited away & transferred to a bank account in the USA. Now they even have to beg for electricity.
It’s you that should be fucking ashamed cause yer thieving bastards. Millions died over lies & here you are again punting the same pish …
& Do fuck right off with yer pish I’m ruining Scottish Independence, ya dolt! Do you think that shit works? Are you 5yrs old or something? How about you ruining Unionism? Ya rocket!
Cheers Northcode x
Will you one day, Geri, share your sources for all of this apparent wisdom and knowledge you have which is so contrary to everything that everyone else knows and understands.
– you tell us that the people of the GCC hate us, what’s that based on? the the huge tax free salaries those countries offer to tempt us to work there? The enormous amount of money they spend on marketing themselves as a destination for expats and tourists? The huge airline’s like Emirates they’ve invested in to make themselves a transfer hub? All the western brands, businesses, sports teams etc they’ve got to come over there. But yeah sure Geri, they don’t like us or want us there. They’re just spending colossal amounts of money to get us there because “coloniser” or some other bullshit non-explanation like that.
– You are right that the GCC are not western style democracies, don’t have elected leaders and don’t have same high standard of protection for individual rights as we enjoy. I don’t love that and I also don’t love the extreme heat, being inside all the time, and the generally quite sanitised environment. That’s partly why I don’t live out there. However;
– “Irn” is also not a democracy. It has elections, but it remains ruled by the same backward, medieval theocratic leadership, hated by its population, who commit unspeakable atrocities against innocent civilians as a matter of routine. Including but not limited to machine gunning their own citizens in the street for the crime of protesting and beating young women to death for not covering that head sufficiently. They are also kept poor and undeveloped (with a GDP per capita around a 10th of their western-facing neighbours), and arbitrarily detained foreigners as political hostages. That’s before we get into all the state sponsored terrorism and regional instability they cause.
– The GCC by contrast are VERY welcoming to westerners, very safe, and economically advanced. The contrast could not be clearer.
Now the owner of this site might be rightly thinking “you two fucking banging on”, but the obvious link to Scotland is whether an Indy Scotland should try to emulate its successful Scandinavian neighbours, or as you seem to suggest, pivot toward being a backward, corrupt pariah state aligned with the worlds most despotic regimes.
Northcode is simply a troll. He (assuming it’s a he) can see as well as everyone else can that the stuff you come out with is factually nonsensical and morally disgraceful. He only endorses it to try and wind us up. We all know that.
However, what I don’t get is why some others, posting under their own names, aren’t calling this stuff out. As CC points out above, I think it’s just the case of “my tribe vs your tribe”, but what do you honestly think people reading this will feel about your tribe when you have Geri’s appalling bile being poured out day after day in public without challenge for the whole world to read?
Word of the day – sloperation.
The organised use of AI to generate, post and advertise online slop for financial gain.
There’s an article about it on Guardian Online.
Let’s just say that the sums of money to be made from owning a successful online sloperation are eye opening.
AI Dun @ 5.42
The hoores excuse..
You Tories really are a right bunch, just lurking, beneath the radar but we all know you are there..
Scots words of the day.
Wheep.
Wheech.
Whinge.
Whine.
Whatever.
There’s always a bit of the wheech about you, wee johnny.
A word for the colonized until the day of liberation:
doun-hauden: Oppressed.
Isn’t that two words, Alf? Course it is!
Unless you just use the coloniser’s language, English, in the first place.
Then it becomes one word, and you don’t have to translate for the majority of Scots for whom English is their first (and only) language.
Honestly, Alf, I shouldn’t have to help you out like this.
Hyphenated compound words aren’t just two or more words joined together… the joining creates a new single word with a unique meaning that differs from the individual words that comprise it.
For example, the hyphenated compound word, doun-hauden, joins two Scots words using a hyphen to form a single composite word that translates to English as literally ‘held down’, as in physically constrained, or figuratively, a single Scots word describing oppression – as in the persecution and maltreatment of a people, say.
Alf Baird uses the hyphenated compound word doun-hauden as the title of his book on how postcolonial theory applies to Scotland.
His book, Doun-Hauden (available in a Kindle version on Amazon), although an academic work explains in compelling and accessible detail how the Scots as a people were colonised, persecuted and oppressed by England.
Hows about Dunrantin.
I guess we should hyphenate Alf-Northy, all the better to capture the mysterious and near miraculous fact that one pops up when the other is near, usually to plug a book!
Still be two words though.
A bit like doun-hauden, from the Scots words “down” and “held”.
That’s one of your problems with trying to foist a language only a minority understand on us. Some of us are in that minority. Plenty of us within that minority are still able to easily comprehend the language’s minority status.
Noo then Northy-Alf. Hoo mony fingers am I holding up? Ane? Or Twa?
According to the Scottish 2022 census 82% of Scots can speak in the Scots leid.
Hardly a minority.
Three hundred years of the English trying to extinguish the Scots language and yet 82% of Scots still speak it.
It’s not only their NHS targets the English miss, eh?
” Hoo mony fingers am I holding up? Ane? Or Twa?”
A dout ye hae the wit tae coont as high as twa… sae it haes tae be wan.
Professor Alf Baird’s book, Doun-Hauden, is a must-read for indigenous Scots.
And at only £4.99 (I think) it’s braw value.
If you’re a Scot and want to know about how the English have been plundering Scotland these past 300 years and more buy Alf’s book and spread the word.
“According to the Scottish 2022 census 82% of Scots can speak in the Scots leid”
And thus, dear readers, that’s why we find that almost precisely 82% of articles across all pro-Indy sites are written in Scots.
And again, that’s why we find that close to 82% of all comments BTL for these articles are written in Scots.
Erm.
Oh dear, Northy. Another bloody gash. You better get that seen to.
@ Northcode says: 19 May, 2026 at 7:01 pm
“Professor Alf Baird’s book, Doun-Hauden, is a must-read for indigenous Scots.
And at only £4.99 (I think) it’s braw value.
If you’re a Scot and want to know about how the English have been plundering Scotland these past 300 years and more buy Alf’s book and spread the word.”
You just don’t do irony, do you, Northy?
Which is why you plug the book in English.
Seriously though, you’re losing a lot of blood now. If you don’t care about yourself, at least think of the carpet.
That’s genuine nylon and polyester. You’re not gonna enjoy biting hanks out of it if it’s soaked in your own blood.
“And again, that’s why we find that close to 82% of all comments BTL for these articles are written in Scots…”
This, of course, is sarcasm – the lowest form of wit, but it IS a colonialist attempt at wit, and so should be commended for the, very little, effort that went into it.
“And again, that’s why we find that close to 82% of all comments BTL for these articles are written in Scots.”
Oh, dear… more low wit.
I did say that 82% of Scots can speak in the Scots leid (thank you for reinforcing that fact)… but I never said anything about them writing in it… are you sure you know how to read the English King’s English, Inglis?
Read my braw comment again and you’ll see that I don’t mention ‘writing in Scots’ at all.
Bloody gash?
Not even a scratch.
Honestly, I don’t know why you bother, you’re never going to win against me – and I’m not even trying that hard… it’s slightly amusing watching you try, tho.
“Which is why you plug the book in English.”
As I now have you doing, too.
Really it’s just too easy.!
You even include a great deal of the Scots leid in the comments you post to this place… thanks mostly to me planting the idea in your head, I suspect.
Northcode, very much like ‘downtrodden’ then?
“A word for the colonized until the day of liberation:
doun-hauden: Oppressed.”
Honestly, Alf, as has oft be mentioned to you before: your perpetual (and absurdly inappropriate) “victim mindset” is an embarrassment in my opinion, both to you personally – and also to the proud Scots who wouldn’t dream of indulging in such a truly lame obsession.
What is it with you lefties? It seems to me you’re each of you in a perpetually affronted, perma-offended state of something or other? This endless grinding grievance must be truly exhausting, presumably sucking the joy out of every waking hour (which let’s face it are extensive in your case and your equally miserable peers).
Honestly, I just couldn’t ever imagine being in such an absurdly inappropriate and highly damaging state of mind, defining my life in such a manner. Go out and have a walk, man.
Back on the fitba for a mo. Has anybody caught sight of the Official match delegate report for the Saturday Celtic vs Hearts game yet? This role was introduced with fanfare in 2025 as a mechanism to report on match conduct matters outwith refereeing decisions.
An update on the Official Match Delegate Report situation. Both the SFA and SPFL have received the reports. The normal FIFA/ UEFA time frame for submission of said report is 24 to 48 hours. And any disciplinary action is announced normally within 5 days. On this occasion a further complication is the Police Scotland investigation into alleged assaults on Hearts players. Police are reviewing the array of footage. The longer this goes on the more likely a disciplinary outcome. Some pundits are saying a points deduction at the start of next season for Celtic.
Always the wheech of the ad hominem around Beggan.
yet again…. 100% correct Stu!
Breaking news from the Grooming Gangs inquiry.
“Anne Longfield, a Labour peer who was appointed in December to lead the three-year Independent Inquiry into Grooming Gangs, said this afternoon that “there’s denial we keep coming back to, where people felt nervous, squeamish even, about tackling some of the issues around ethnicity.” She added, referring to the upcoming inquiry: “We’re not squeamish.””
Early days yet, but some hopeful signs finally materialising.
Reform will be watching closely. I guess that was the only factor that was ever gonna get the lefty, progressive, no borders nutjobs and minority criminality apologists to get down off the fence.
«Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander confirmed that HS2 will cost as much as £102.7bn – £70bn more than originally planned – with trains not running before 2039. Alexander blamed a ‘litany of failure’ inherited from the Conservatives»
«John Swinney was re-elected as first minister of Scotland, promising to cap the prices of ‘the most basic shopping items»
news items from Mars and Venus
The colonialists have been spraying their pish all over this place theday, hiv thay no?
Thank God for Alf Baird and Geri and Sam, or theday’s postings would have been a total washoot.
What absolute bletheration thay colonialists quill oot here… not only is what they write inaccurate (lies is a better word, perhaps) – and maistly incomprehensible – it’s aboot as far from entertaining and informative as it’s possible to get.
if I were a king I’d be crying oot:
“A POINT, A POINT, MY KINGDOM FOR A FUCKING POINT!”
What a dull-witted (this is an example of a hyphenated compound word) bunch they are, they even make the fitba sound interesting, marginally, in comparison to the poorly scribbled English they wantonly toss aboot this place.
And thay caw thersels Inglis tae… tut, tut, tut.
if I were a king I’d be crying oot:
“A POINT, A POINT, MY KINGDOM FOR A FUCKING POINT!”
Is that right, Northy?
If you were a king, your subjects would have little option but to follow where you lead.
And speak fucking English.
Sorry, Northy, has my point just drawn blood? Never mind. Just lie about it.
Are these colonialists with you now?
Do the voices keep you awake at night?
You are hilarious… I bet no-one has ever said that to you before, eh?
Well, said it and meant it, anyway.
“Do the voices keep you awake at night?”
Indeed they do, Northy has often stated as much.
He always attributes them to The Lord God himself.
As I have observed many times about the headcases who frequent this place. It’s not their ludicrous claims, their tribalist ignorance, nor their learned by rote bigotry that sane, rational, decent Scots need to fear.
It’s the distinct possibility that under all the lies, diversions and crass attempts to silence all debate, the most deranged posters may well truly believe their most deranged posts.
A terrifying possibility, but fore-warned is fore-armed.
“Are these colonialists with you now?”
Aye, they are all over this site like a bad rash, de-basing native Scots wi ivery hatefu wird.
The colonized are doun-hauden in aw weys, including mockery.
There will come a time, though, when the colonialists privilege, purpose and arrogance is nae mair, and they will either cease the racist insults or return to the mother country.
If you intend to play the “native Scot” cards, Alf, I hope you’re holding a good hand.
I can trace my Scottish ancestry, both sides of the family, back to the 1850s. Just from family heirlooms in my possession. Can you do the same?
“mockery”
Get a grip, man. What else can any sane, rational, decent Scot do with the likes of Geri, or “thousand year old Pict, who talks to God” Northy?
And no, like any other ordinary bloke, whether Scottish or not, I’m not going to be told to learn to speak, read and write a new language, just because you want me to.
You want to be taken seriously, Alf, but you never, ever, call out the idiocy that is endemic on here, simply because you perceive the idiots as being of your tribe.
And you can’t or won’t see how they continually damage the Indy cause, and bring it and Scotland into disrepute.
“You want to be taken seriously, Alf, but you never, ever, call out the idiocy that is endemic on here…”
Not so, I’m sure Alf Baird has called out your own idiocy and the idiocy of your fellow colonialists a couple of times at least in this place.
And then there is this nonsense…
“And no, like any other ordinary *bloke, whether Scottish or not, I’m not going to be told to learn to speak, read and write a new language…”
Of course, for a Scot who claims 175 years of Scottish ancestry it’s unlikely Scots would be a new language… more like one’s first language I’d say – If one actually IS a Scot who was raised in Scotland to Scottish parents and grandparents.
“And you can’t or won’t see how they continually damage the Indy cause, and bring it and Scotland into disrepute.”
Ad hominem fallacious attacks seem to be the ONLY weapon colonialists have in their logic armoury.
* bloke (a London slang term for a man): a term I, as a Pict (Scot if preferred… same thing now), have never used in my entire thoosand years on this Earth.
Despite claims of you having ‘ancient’ Scottish heritage all indicators point to the likelihood that you are NOT a Scot, don’t consider yourself a Scot, and aren’t the slightest bit interested in ever becoming a Scot.
Of course, I could be wrong, and if that IS the case then my last paragraph should be stricken from the minds of those who read it.
Although, as a logician and rhetorician with the mind of an advocate, I know the damage has already been done and that no amount of ‘strickening from minds’ will remove lingering suspicions that I might be right… which, of course, I am.
“I can trace my Scottish ancestry, both sides of the family, back to the 1850s.”
Colonialism, and therefore the colonial mindset, is not based on longevity, it is ‘based on psychology’ (Cesaire); many of the most ancient and ‘noble’ native families suffer from it, as they ‘crave’ (Cesaire) and assimilate into the ‘superior’ culture, identity and values of the colonizer, and ‘seek to create as much socio-economic distance between them and the mass of the colonized natives’ (Fanon):
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
“it is ‘based on psychology’ …”
Aye, Alf. There are plenty of Scots who can trace their ancestry centuries back and yet think thersels mair English than Scot.
A’ve met a fair few o thaim types ower the years.
I’m of the same opinion, Northcode.
A blaw-in. Trying it’s best to incorporate English knuckle dragging pish ontae every topic. No self respecting Scot can surely hate Scots as much as he does.
It’s psychotic to continually visit a site that they clearly don’t like, don’t like the subject matter every-single-day, doesn’t like any of the posters & clearly isn’t of Independent mind.
A colonial parasite, pigeon shitting everywhere. Achieving the grand total of fck all, all day, every day other than increasing the post count.
It wouldn’t be so bad if he even attempted to argue the case for the Union – list all of its benefits but he doesn’t even have that to try flog cause there isn’t any.
So, as per usual, an independence site is littered with yoons & not the homegrown kind.
That’s five posts from you Northcode – none of which say anything interesting or useful.
Fuck off.
I found that comment to be quite useful, but only if you follow my instruction and… well, fuck off.
Are you even LISTENING to yourself…
You colonialists aren’t just boring, you’re thick.
And you’ve now added three more, you trying to be James Cheyne?
AUSTRALIA URGED TO PROTECT WOMEN-ONLY SPACES AFTER ‘INSANE’ COURT JUDGEMENT
Australian legislators have been urged to uphold biological reality after an appeal to allow a female-only app to reject a male user was dismissed.
The Court ruled that Sall Grover, founder of the Giggle app, had “directly discriminated” against Roxanne Tickle, a man who identifies as a woman, as Australia’s Sex Discrimination Act (SDA) protects ‘gender identity’.
Last year in the UK, following a successful appeal by For Women Scotland (FWS) against a Scottish Government decision to allow men who identify as women to take women-only company board positions, the Supreme Court ruled that the terms ‘woman’, ‘man’ and ‘sex’ in the Equality Act 2010 I refer to biological sex.
WOMEN’S RIGHTS
Grover, who was supported by Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) International, said: “I am absolutely devastated. Men who claim to be women have more rights than actual women in Australia.”
But she noted that “in a sense, nothing has changed: we will all wake up tomorrow and men will still not be women”.
She called for legislators to ‘step in’ and fix the SDA, but said: “if I have to go to the High Court, I will”.
The ruling stated: “it is important to emphasise that the issues for determination by the Court involve the construction and application of provisions of the SDA. The desirability or otherwise of that law is not a matter open to this Court to consider.”
PROTECT WOMEN
Responding to the court’s decision, Alliance Defending Freedom Director of Advocacy Robert Clarke observed: “A law written to protect women has been used to punish a woman for creating a space for women. That is what today’s judgement means in practice”.
He added: “The addition of ‘gender identity’ to the Sex Discrimination Act has been used to undermine the most basic conception of what a woman is.
“The need for single-sex spaces is recognised in international human rights law. It must be recognised in Australian law too, and if the courts will not say so, then Parliament must.”
‘INSANITY’
Australian politician Pauline Hanson commented: “I’m disgusted at the decision that’s just been handed down by the Federal Court in the Tickle vs Giggle case. It flies in the face of biological reality, and strips rights from women. Women’s spaces are not being protected and are no longer safe. I will back Sall Grover in Parliament.”
Stephanie Bastiaan, Head of Advocacy at the Women’s Forum Australia, called for the Sex Discrimination Act to be fixed: “A biological male can walk into a women’s changeroom and the law is on HIS side. That’s not a hypothetical. That’s Australia in 2026. The Federal Court has handed activists a weapon – and women and girls are paying the price.”
UK journalist Janet Murray commented: “Now Grover is off to the High Court. To defend herself against claims of ‘sex discrimination’ – against an individual who anyone can clearly see, on sight, is male. Insanity.”
She added: “this case is a reminder of why women (and men) must continue defending single-sex rights and spaces. Relentlessly.”
(The Christian Institute, 19 May 2026)
link to christian.org.uk
Right, I’m bored with this place now… too many colonialists on here the nicht.
Anyway, I’ve skelped thair erses raw and it’s time for a nice wee K-Drama.
And yes, after watching 500+ K-Dramas I do speak Korean, and fluently, anaw.
Night, night, Donny.
Dinna forget yer tacos.
Cheating SFA now talking about deducting Celtic points, so that Celtic will be the first and only club in Scotland deducted points for some fans going onto the pitch. I look forward to all the other clubs getting that for when any fans enter the pitch going forward.
Witch hunt. Desperate stuff from sore losers, a bunch of football teams, so rubbish they need to deduct points, and cheat at every opportunity just to have any chance of beating Celtic to a title. Absolutely pathetic from Scottish football and the SFA.
If we’re going to talk “pathetic”, why are you, a Scottish man, flying the “Palestinian” flag? You think they’re your friends or something?
Pathetic.
Your ancestors are ashamed of you.
& how would you know that?
I think they’d be rather proud & show empathy considering our ancestors were ethnically cleansed, displaced, slaughtered & starved too by the colonial fuckwits we suffer next door.
Away & sit down FFS!
Geri, take your suicidal empathy elsewhere.
We don’t need any more faithless people. We need people who are for the Scots, and nothing but the Scots.
“our ancestors were ethnically cleansed, displaced, slaughtered & starved”
Are you sure, Geri?
Only, I would have thought that if true, you wouldn’t exist.
Not as you self-identify as, anyway. As an ethnic Scot, living in Scotland.
Must be just another of your hyperbolic, hysterical rants then.
Faithless people?
Away & behave! They’re defending their territory.
WTF that had to do with his comments is anyones guess.
Rather apt for this topic but play the ball eh?
Considering Scotland only managed to remain independent due to international alliances most prominently with France in the auld alliance, I am proudly an outward looking Scottish nationalist that believes in inclusion and that we are all Jock Tamson’s bairns.
I think the fact that you are not even aware of one of the most significant alliances in Scottish history will horrify your ancestors far more than any flag.
Just switched on tbe BBC news. Silly me, should have known better, but the world neadlines are that Arsenal have won tne league.
Its wall to wall coverage. And the second world stkry is about Southampton FC. All other news, if you can call the BBC propaganda that comes second.
Sadly, I’m just old enough to remember the 1966 world cup and tbe awful coverage tbat had. No doubt the old reels will be getting dusted down for another ‘ scunner fest ‘ over the forthcoming weeks.
Hard hats on time, cos they’ll always be an England time beckons.
it’s funny how the podcast is taking over as the dominant form; even the BBC is doing them, since they are so cheap to make.
– scotcast, is okay, at times; depends who is on.
Last night, Conroy, an ex-referee. Wasn’t wearing his apron or white gloves and came across as reasonable, sensible. Some interesting remarks
– in general he thought the narrative of the “abandoned game”, nonsensical. He also stressed, and this is a basic point :
the referee decides the end of the game, by his watch, on his call. Not sky, not people in the stands, not you, not me, the ref.
Also – the referee does not need to actually blow his whistle to end the game. Not a lot of people know that.
Cleared up all this nonsense, just like that. And destroys all the online lunatics fuming about “slavia prague” and “get FIFA involved” (yeah, get them involved; they get sent the refs report and its no case to answer)
He also made the point (this simple game now has complex laws) there is always this spectrum around an incident, where you have definite on the edges, but “either way” in the middle; he said he would have given a penalty for hearts against motherwell – but equally understood why it wasn’t. There will always be this interpretational aspect.
Another problem was the VAR system we have in Scotland is generally shit because the smaller clubs can’t afford the “full monty”.
on a wider note, there is this thing called “selection bias” – you forget about anything that went your way as it was -obviously- “correct” – but then obsess about the opposite (- at the shops, “the other line moves faster”). I could pick out many incidents, but here is one. Coming into the split, hearts have been a bit wobbly and they are playing hibs who will want to stick one over on them. Hibs are playing okay, its at easter road.
– I had it down for an upset, possibly a draw; hearts should drop points anyway. Hibs go 1 up. But hearts win that game, a scraped win if ever I saw, 2-1, mainly because Hibs got 2 men sent off – they had 9 players on the pitch.
Looks like “someone” was trying to help hearts there, eh? Making sure, send one man off, send two. And if hearts didn’t score, I am sure there would have been a penalty.
“whats the odds” of having 2 men sent off in a match, eh? And at a crucial game in the run in?
The freemasons of the SFA – if they can’t get the huns to win, will try to get the wee huns over the line.
THE SFA ARE TRYING TO HAND IT TO HEARTS
– I could go on. It’s a plausible hypothesis, but a long way from truth. People who watched the hibs game say the sendings off were legit and hibs disciplinary record is poor … so you have to just let it go.
Because football is low scoring but with many incidents in a game, it is hard to prove cheating – but it does go on, the italian scandal which saw Juventus relegated for example; but that needed a full on covert investigation. In italia the bigwigs were split between milan and juventus supporters. In Scotland, the idea that it is celtic who are the “establishment team” is laughable – that’s not how it works; authorities are men in blazers, middle class types, lawyers, freemasons – why they hell would they support a team of the working class from – the wrong part of Glasgow – and with associations with “the wrong type of christianity”. People forget so much – gers fans claimed unfair treatment about the death of their club – but celtic were 30 minutes from being wound up until fergus mccann came in, and there were no soft loans from the banks on tap for us. The SFA held up jorge cadetes registration so he would not be available for important games – there is a mountain of crap like this, but you turn on youtube and the gers podcasts rant on “the SFA is run by celtic” (we’re the victims here).
– there’s a lot of hypocrisy around
link to youtube.com
Credit where due, Confused, that’s a good post.
Seems you missed an obvious solution to Scottish football’s sectarian problems though.
We need a Jewish club. One with plenty of cash behind it.
Then they can lift the title year after year, and everybody else, other than their supporters, can hate them.
Are you kicking yourself now?
HMcH
Hurry up now catamite!
11.20 is getting awfy close to midnight and Matron switching off the lights and turning off the WI-FI!!
God knows what you then capture on your phones camera till your battery runs dry..
Yeuch!
Sad f3ck..
@ Young Lochinvar says: 19 May, 2026 at 11:56 pm
“Shit, near midnight and I haven’t posted how not gay I am today.
Listen up! It’s other posters that are gay. Not me. I’m not gay at all. I never think about it, and I certainly never sit up into the wee, small hours, posting about others being gay.
Goodness! Why would I need to do that if I’m not actually gay myself?
Because I’m not. Clear?
Good. I’ll probably pop up around midnight tomorrow with a few more “I’m not gay, honest” posts, just in case there’s any residual doubt.”
“if they can’t get the huns to win, will try to get the wee huns over the line.”
LOL!
Love Fergus. He was a wee star & gave the club back to the fans & rebuilt the place.
I was a season ticket holder back in the day. Jock Stein stand up in the gods almost sea sick with the bounce..happy days.
& Aye, yer right. 60,000+ fans will always have a different opinion fae the ref. Only the good decisions are remembered. It goes with the territory. Some you win, some you lose & then it all happens again the following week..lol
“Some you win, some you lose”
Not like on here, then, Geri. Where you lose every time.
I almost feel sorry for you. You’re dumb enough to believe politics is like football. 90 minutes and then you do something else for the rest of the week. Somebody wins and the opposition are crushed. Then, next week, maybe the roles are reversed – maybe they’re not.
It’s as far removed from the attitude and belief of Indy’s greatest ever leader – the late, great Alex Salmond, as it is possible to get.
And hence, we see in a nutshell why Indy has withered on the vine. You care nothing for Scotland. You just want your tribe to lift the trophy, and to Hell with the rest of it.
I did say “almost”.
In football, the clock doesn’t stop when the ball hits the net. This is not the NFL.
At Sunday’s Livingston vs Kilmarnock match, for example, there was no additional time added at the end of 45 minutes, despite three first-half goals and celebrations. That is fairly common in football, particularly before half-time when there are usually fewer substitutions to account for. This is because referees generally allow a period of grace for “normal” goal celebrations, with only excessive delays resulting in further time being added.
The English Premier League effectively acknowledged this in its 2024 refereeing guidance, which introduced a 30-second tolerance for standard celebrations before additional time would be considered. Scotland has never formally codified this in SPFL rules, but similar discretion is routinely applied by referees.
With that in mind, it seems entirely plausible that the referee in the Celtic–Hearts game considered the allotted additional time to have expired once the “normal” element of the post-goal celebration period had passed, and therefore blew for full-time at that point.
Obviously the overall celebration was not “normal”, but the referee ending the game when he did seems reasonable to me and consistent with what was otherwise a well-handled performance.
“In football, the clock doesn’t stop when the ball hits the net. This is not the NFL.”
Not literally, as in rugby, but in practice that’s exactly what it does do. The laws EXPRESSLY say that the referee will add time for goal celebrations AND any delays caused by external agents, ie thugs on the pitch.
The game was not over. The referee is not empowered to “put Hearts out of their misery”, nor to let teams run out the clock by celebrating a goal. As for the proportionality of possible sanctions over the magnitude of the offence, maybe ask some Legia Warsaw fans how they feel about getting booted out of the Champions League and seeing Celtic reinstated despite having been pumped SIX-one, because Legia briefly accidentally fielded an ineligible player who had no impact on the outcome.
link to bbc.co.uk
Yes Rev, on proportionality of sanctions, now we also have Southampton penalised by ‘spygate’, which would seem rather less an offence than opposing fans actively stopping play and aggressively forcing an opposing team off the pitch and having to make a rapid exit from the stadium.
A terrible end to what had been a fine season for Scottish football.
Well happy anniversary tomorrow, particularly for the Pict supporters on here of tomorrow’s anniversary of the Battle of Dunnichen/ Nechtansmere in 685AD which saw the Picts gub the land grabbing boat people of the day: the Anglian (English to the “Bwitish” language Gestapo infestation on here) and left their kinglet lying slain staring up at nothing with unseeing eyes..
Raise a glass to ‘em and wait for the Unionist catamite bleaters on here to start moaning and mewling 🙂
There was once a contributor on here , a unionist, who put forward several interesting points and ideas – his/her name escapes me.
Now what we ‘enjoy’ are those who disparage and appear to delight in being irritants . One wonders what pleasure it gives them and what smug point scoring drivel does for their egos.
They obviously have far too much time on their hands and few friends.
#Goats have feelings too.
Just saying.
Indeed they do, how sulky do they get when you eat the last empty tin can before they get a chance !
Yes, goats have feelings.
Research has shown they convey different emotions in their calls to each other.
Goats can also perceive human emotions. They prefer images of happy faces over angry faces.
Gie the goats a break and avoid them. Message to all yoons.
Scots words of the day.
Fissle.
Footer.
Like yesterdays words, wheep and wheech, these are words I knew and used in my youth.
Wheep means whistle. Wheech means stench. You get a lot of wheech from the yoons.
Anent the Scots langwidge, Northcode, I think the past participle is “it” on the end, rather than “ed”. Scrieved is scrievit
Stu is right, There is NO ‘old firm’! When a club in only 14 years old, it cannot be considered to be old?
John Swinney has announced his new cabinet. Jenny Gilruth, partner of Kez Dugdale for Dep FM. And same old, same old. Yawn. Status quo remains – but never mind, the money’s very good.
What utter piss poor sophistry. Laughable. It’s probably a good idea to take a look at the formal dictionary definition of the term “totalitarian”:
Dictionaries are useful for correct spellings, but often lack the depth and full meaning behind the words they define.
Hannah Arendt was considered the foremost authority on totalitarianism, in fact, she wrote a book on the origins of totalitarianism entitled “The Origins of Totalitarianism”.
I’ve read a few of her books, but here is what I took from ‘TOOT’:
Authoritarian regimes concentrate power and suppress opposition, but permit limited autonomy in non?political domains.
Totalitarian states collapse the boundary between state and society, asserting ideological authority over behaviour, belief, social organisation, and even over the minds of those citizens unfortunate to live in such societies.
In short, authoritarian regimes police behaviour; totalitarian states police thought and belief.
Another way to look at the difference is this: Authoritarianism restricts political freedom but leaves parts of society intact; totalitarianism seeks to remake society entirely under a single, all?powerful ideology.
So, if you ever get the choice between living under an authoritarian regime or being enslaved to a totalitarian state… choose the former and run as fast as you can away from the latter – authoritarian regimes are pussies compared to totalitarian states.
Thankfully, no state today meets the full, classical definition of a totalitarian system.
So, when Geri says that Persia is NOT a totalitarian state she is absolutely, 100% correct.
The UK is becoming Totalitarian on two fronts & they’re both connected.
Gender ideology & Z ideology.
Permeating into every aspect of daily life, laws, censorship & parliament representatives. Even removing political opponents. (Corbyn & Salmond) Under a sea of false accusations.
Completely against the majority of the populations world view but we’re getting it anyway whether we like it or not or we’ll be dragged before the courts & drowned in Lawfare.
It’s also targeting the youth element to be wee foot soldiers just like the Germans.
But, look at the roasters on here complaining about a parliament in Irn thousands s of miles away instead …LMAO!
Classic… Oh look, over there, a squirrel! Whilst maintaining we all live in a free & democratic society despite all indications to the contrary.
You couldn’t even make a dent to their napper..
“The UK is becoming Totalitarian on two fronts & they’re both connected…”
There are certainly signs of totalitarian forces at work, Geri. One of them being the attempted homogenisation of disparate peoples.
“Classic… Oh look, over there, a squirrel! Whilst maintaining we all live in a free & democratic society…”
Aye, and thay hae the cheek tae caw me a troll, tae… as if a wid stoop tae such *dirty tricks.
* I absolutely would, but don’t tell anybody
“Dictionaries are useful for correct spellings, but often lack the depth and full meaning behind the words they define.”
Oh good grief. You’re saying that you, “Northcode” off the internet, literally knows better than formal, dictionary-defined meanings of words now? Another example of inventing your “own class of ‘facts'” when completely cornered in an argument that you’ve just lost?
As you Scots might well say in such circumstances: “Gie’s peace”. I have very patiently, systematically and robustly demonstrated beyond doubt that “I” is indeed a totalitarian State, literally as according to the very (formal, public domain, universally accepted) definition of the term. You have no answer, because there is none. The end.
Your absurd straw manning re. “authoritarianism” is just that; who is even arguing that “I” is, or is not authoritarian? Answer: no one, just a rather pathetic attempt at distraction (“look, a squirrel!” etc.), given that you’ve been so comprehensively “telt”. I note you didn’t even reply to the actual thread but felt the need to start your own little discussion, even though in direct response to my earlier post (which you even quote from), and of course, you entirely omit to respond to the “UK not a nuclear power” nonsense either.
“Let’s dance”…? Well, you’re a really shite dancer, for sure.
Definition of the word Colony – A territory or geographic area under the full or partial political control of another country (usually a distant one) and occupied by settlers from that country.
FFS, moderation filter strikes again. I’ll repost as 5ettler Stu never did clear my previous posts that got held in moderation.
There are numerous posts each day with folk making adjustments to words to bypass the ridiculous moderation trigger word filter.
Definition of a Colony – A territory or geographic area under the full or partial political control of another country (usually a distant one) and occupied by 5ettlers from that country.
I forgot my own warning and recklessly engaged with a colonialist.
I should have remembered that:
Ther scarce be a wird pit doun here fae colonialists (unyonists if preferryd… baith be alike) that’s onythin’ ither than abuise, threit, lie, errure, afftak, diveesion, diversioun, distractioun, logicale fallace, or hatesome antiScot rethorik.
And again… in the Inglis tongue:
There’s barely a comment posted here by colonialists (unionists if preferred… same thing) that is anything other than insult, threat, lies, error, mockery, division, diversion, distraction, logical fallacy, or hateful anti-Scots rhetoric.
“I should have remembered that:”
I bet you will remember your “erse” being well and truly handed to you on a platter, that’s for certain. Most enjoyable! 🙂
Nope! I don’t remember that!
I think yer a narcissist. You appear to have all the traits – especially the one of believing wholeheartedly yer own bullshit even when presented with hard fact.
Also, other trait, always self superior & always needing the last word even though you look stupid..
Tantrums, tantrums, tantrums… Yer a Colonising, hypocritical wanker. Get over yersel & gies all peace. You worry about yer own government. There’s plenty to be worrying you…
Awww. “Geri”.
Your indignant, salty tears really are quite a tonic! Looking forward to the impending lovely weather – Pimms O’Clock beckons. 🙂
Presented with “hard fact” Geri. I hope you aren’t using the term to describe any of your opinion-based diatribes. I don’t think you’ve provided a single source or a piece of evidence for any of the innumerable false claims that you make on a nearly hourly basis.
You are a fantasist Geri. Don’t believe me? Would any of the (admittedly few) commentators here posting under their own names e.g. Alf, Dan etc. care to publicly endorse the idea that “Irn is a democracy just like the U.K. with a freely elected government and head of state, which abides by the rule of law, permits democratic pluralism and has a successful and vibrant economy”. Do we have any takers?
“your “erse” being well and truly handed to you …”
In yer dreams, Inglis… you mistake my fucking with you for genuine argument.
You colonialists are far too thick too engage in genuine argument, that was always a given sae why wid a bother masel unless a wis juist haein a larf, eh? .
By the way, where’s your argument in support of the union?
All you eejits hae is insult and barely coherent English splashed aboot here like errant pish; errant pish that ye sometimes caw humour.
And of course Geri is absolutely right when she tells us that England is a non-nuclear [weapons] power… at very best it’s America’s European based missile platform doubling as barracks for all those smartly uniformed Yankee sodjers.
England might have nuclear warheids parked up in some cooncil estate rent-a-garage somewhere near Slough, but they can only be used on America’s say so.
‘Great’ Britain… don’t make me larf.
There’ll always be an England?
Aye right.
Captain? Don’t make me larf e’en louder.
“You colonialists are far too thick too engage in genuine argument, that was always a given sae why wid a bother masel unless a wis juist haein a larf, eh? .”
… Actually, make that a jug o’Pimms (strawberry/red summer fruits natch) and an over-chilled DP 2002 P2 to boot. I’m in an exceedingly good, celebratory mood; I do love the smell of burning Northcode in the morning. 🙂
Look, Geri… atween the twa o us we really pissed off those thick Inglis colonialists.
Mission accomplished, eh?
I don’t know about you, but a’m fair enjoyin masel watchin’ them try tae git back at us wi thair devastatin’ wee kitty paw insults.
“Pimms O’Clock beckons.”
Holy Christ… does it even hear itself?
Yer flying today, Northy..haha!
Trust the dour, humourless, clypey eejits not to see any humour in anything.
Also, absolutely spot on..
At very best it’s America’s European based missile platform doubling as barracks for all those smartly uniformed Yankee sodjers.
England might have nuclear warheids parked up in some cooncil estate rent-a-garage somewhere near Slough, but they can only be used on America’s say so.”
I wonder if they’re inspected & meet all international standards? The English do love their weapons..it’s as funny as fck they can’t use them..
Still, keeps the shareholders happy I suppose. All that profit for, ummm, decorations…
Let’s not mention the aircraft carriers with no aircrafts that doesn’t like water..LMAO! Or that can be sunk with a few quid drones.
” I do love the smell of burning Northcode in the morning.”
Man, I really got into your head, didn’t I?
I honestly thought you would just start frothing and swearing and insulting us Scots as usual, but you appear to be having some kind of psychological crisis… A wis anely jokin’, get well soon, mate.
Do you think Geri is enjoying a Pimm’s in the garden CC, or do you think she’s hanging around her local Premier waiting for the staff to go into the stockroom so she can run out with a bottle of super-strength cider?
I would guess she’s banned from all the local pubs for a combination of a) not settling bar tabs, b) fighting, c) being sat blind drunk shouting at the top of her voice about foreign policy
I don’t know if any of that is true, but I get a vibe.
Christ Almighty, yer an eediot, Cavecreature… an faur tae arrogant fir yer waefu scant intellect.
“Dictionaries are useful for correct spellings, but often lack the depth and full meaning behind the words they define.”
Yes, I said that – and I’d go even further: a dictionary only gives the skeleton of a word; the living body of meaning lies elsewhere.
Dictionaries are excellent for spelling, basic definitions, and historical attestations, but they don’t capture the full semantic range, emotional weight, cultural nuance, or lived usage of a word.
I’ll break down what I mean by that.
These are essential, but they’re only the scaffolding.
Why all this matters, especially for Scots.
A dictionary can list dreich, but it can’t convey the lived, bone-deep recognition of a dreich day in Scotland.
It can define glaikit, but it can’t show the sparkle of humour in the insult.
It can record haiver, but not the music of it in a spoken sentence.
Ultimately, dictionaries provide denotations, but real meaning lives in connotation, pragmatics, cultural context, and embodied usage.
Thus, dictionaries are necessary but are insufficient tools for understanding the full semantic and affective range of a word.
And so when we delve deeper into the meanings behind the words ‘authoritarian’ and ‘totalitarian’ we discover that these are not two different words with the same meaning, but are two different words with very different meanings.
And if we dive deeper still we discover a modern classification of totalitarianism that is really just the extreme end of authoritarianism (authoritarianism-max, or totalitarianism-lite if preferred… same thing), marked by total state control.
An unnecessary classification in my view.
Beyond totalitarianism-lite we reach totalitarianism-pro.
Arendtian definition (totalitarianism-pro):
Totalitarianism is a historically unique, revolutionary, world?remaking force. No current state fully qualifies (but as Geri has mentioned in her posts there are forces around the world currently attempting to qualify).
Modern classification:
Defines totalitarianism as the extreme end of authoritarianism (authoritarianism-max), marked by total state control – several current states fit this category, but Persia isn’t one of them.
Well explained, Northcode..
I’d add extreme ideology, thought police, group think/hive mentality to accept without question the State amending laws for said ideology.
Any dissenters are punished by the state. Every wee nose twitching areswipe runs tae dobb ye intae the authorities.
We can all see three who’d lift the cup on that front. A wee gobshitey badge for being a wee grassing cnt that they’d no doubt display proudly.
In an Independent Scotland these tossers would be tied to a damp tree in the middle of a herd of Deer during midge season. A warning to all that naebody likes a fckn nosey jobsworth. Especially a foreign one.
Isn’t this all dancing on the head of a pin?
‘Persia’ is a murderous and very oppressive regime, that has killed tens of thousands of its own citizens for objecting to the Islamic regime that runs the country (elected in sham elections that allow very little choice indeed to the electorate, and indeed have even been overturned when they voted in the ‘wrong’ person), and has thousands of ‘morality police’ on the streets, policing people, especially women’s and dress and associations, on threat of imprisonment, even death for not complying.
What real relevance does it have to us, or them, whether we call this authoritarian or totalitarian? The regime there as a fundamentalist religious state, and as such does try and control the way people think which is kind of the whole point of a religious regime with morality police enforcers, and it clearly does try and control people’s behaviour, at the threat of death. That is what matters, not what you call it, surely?
Agreed, Southernbystander.
As would any decent, sane, rational person with an IQ>80. 🙂
The facts speak for themselves.
Southerbystander
We know that isn’t the reason for illegally attacking a Sovereign Nation.
These clowns would have us believe they’re going in to liberate the people. We all know they’re not. Just as they didn’t liberate Irq & Syr who now sends all of its oil revenues to America federal reserve & has to ask for permission to use electricity & pay its own bills with it’s own money.
Hey, just like Scotland!!! It’s Uncanny!
It’s Colonialism. Pure & simple. They couldn’t give a shit about it’s population. It’s the revenues & complete control over the trading routes they want.
So they really need to drop the fake pearl clutching over headscarves. There’s plenty atrocities happening across the water in the GCC – why not liberate them instead of fleecing loads in protection money instead & cosying up to Unelected despots? In GCC, Syria & U? Naw, they’re their best buds…
“I’d add extreme ideology, thought police, group think/hive mentality to accept without question the State amending laws for said ideology.”
Absolutely correct, Geri.
As Hannah Arendt warns folk in her book, “The Origins of Totalitarianism”, the people should always be on their guard against such encroachments into their civil liberties and personal lives.
Totalitarianism is a sneaky beast.
My view is that it’s much more difficult now in the 21st century for totalitarianism to get the purchase it needs to grow in the minds of folk… I’m hoping that isn’t just wishful thinking on my part.
Geri, I daresay this is part of the wider conversation above and I did not read all of it. I also do not buy into the rationale for the bombing of said country and whatever you think of it, it has failed anyway as it looked like it always would as it was, as usual, so ill-thought out by the usual suspect. We are now all, literally, paying the price.
The bigger question, as always, is there ever a justification for a third party country, as it were, stepping in militarily to help an oppressed people? Does having an ulterior motive simply negate any more altruistic motivation? My answer to the first question is yes, sometimes, and the second, no, not necessarily.
Now the owner of this site might be rightly thinking “you two fucking banging on”…
Yet another pathetic “Appeal to Authority” from a colonialist… I blame England’s public schools for such needy behaviour.
“Please, sir… those nasty sweaties are being nasty to us colonialists again. Can’t you expel them, they don’t belong in this hallowed place.”
Aye, Northcode..
They’re just big girls blouses. It’s pathetic to witness supposed adults running off to teacher. It’s the colonial DNA – they’re always the victim & rolling over playing wounded.
Dan
Aye, it’s beyond annoying. Fuckwits like Shiteface can spam the board all day, everyday, along with these trolls. Seemingly unaffected.
I wrote a rather lengthy reply to the dip shit, Cave Dweller, at what a Totalitarian state actually looks like & it’s dictionary definition compared to at least 10 levels of democratic institutions Irn currently has – from it’s parliament all the way down to Mayor’s & local level councils. It’s actually no different from the UK. Replace supreme leader with Chucky the clown & bingo! Both sign off on legislation tho Chucky prefers to dupe these English fuckwits that he plays no role despite..
Approving HIS government.
Opening HIS parliament.
Weekly audience with HIS head schoolboy.
Granting HIS Royal Assent.
Him having his own council of arse pickers.
Only differences are one doesn’t dress up like a fucking clown & can’t be removed & the other lives a humble life & can be removed.
Well, I don’t think anyone here is appealing to have you removed? I know I’m most assuredly not; you amuse me greatly, Northcode. 🙂
“Northcode is simply a troll…”
More of a Scottish liberation supporter and educator , I’d say.
But if I had to choose between being a braw Scots troll and a whining Inglis troll like you… it wid be Scots troll fir me ivery time.
No, just a troll. I used to find the trolling quite amusing but it’s now descended into absurd monologues and petulant whinging which is boring the life out of everyone.
I never found any of the shite you pissed aboot this place amusing… or interesting.
“boring the life out of everyone…”
You are obviously thick, but I didn’t realise you were so thick that you couldn’t figure out how to scroll past comments that bore you.
Hot tip: Don’t read my absurd monologues and petulant whinging if they bore you… Christ, it’s like dealing with fucking five-year-olds.
There are now a grand total of 70 mentions under the phrase ‘Northcode’ under this one post. All referring to your verbose dross which provides nothing in terms of debate or information. All apart from that last comment which actually makes a reasonable point:
“Why would anyone with a life to lead spend their time engaging with low voltage drivel from a couple of bored delinquents like Geri and Northcode”
That actually is a very fair question.