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Posted on May 07, 2026 by

At the end of last year we noted the unusual and persistent levels of divergence in Scottish political polling. As polls have become much more frequent during the election campaign, nothing about that has changed. The final polls, published yesterday, are so far apart from each other that they tell us basically zip.

Analysing this mess is meaningless, so we’ll just give you some highlights.

On the constituency vote the SNP are in either the low 30s or the low 40s, either 12 points ahead of Labour, 20 points ahead of Labour, or 24 points ahead of Reform.

On the list they’re either 1 ahead of Reform, 8 ahead of them, or 13 ahead of Labour.

The Greens are either in 3rd, 4th or 6th place on the list, where they’re either 1, 2 or a whopping 12 points behind Reform. The Lib Dems are either 6th with 8%, or 4th with 12% (which is a non-trivial 50% more, arithmetic lovers). Reform have either more than twice as much support as the Tories (22-10), or just four points more (17-13).

That 10% would likely get the Tories one list seat per region, whereas the 13% might well get them twice as many. Similar maths applies to the Lib Dems, whose low of 8% definitely wouldn’t get them more than one seat per region, but whose high of 12% could – with luck and a following wind – just about double that.

The Greens’ lowest list score (10%) would garner one seat per region, but their highest (17%) would all but guarantee two per region and could conceivably get them as many as three per region. The same applies to Labour, whose lowest is 12% and highest is 19%, but who have a better chance of winning constituency seats, so fewer list ones.

(The number of Green list seats is quite likely to determine whether there’s a pro-indy majority or not, so a couple of percentage points either way could be crucial in terms of the ultimate shape of the government, though it’ll make sod-all difference in terms of independence. The SNP-Labour coalition might yet happen.)

And of course, it depends on whose voters, if anyone’s, are most motivated to turn out, and how many of the 20% who still say they’re undecided make their minds up, and whether it rains or not, and the price of cheese and whether Venus is rising in Uranus. Frankly, our dears, we haven’t got a scooby.

So we’re having the day off, and we’ll see you tomorrow for the results. Your guess, at this stage, is as good as ours.

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  1. poll_watcher says:

    It’s really fascinating how much the different polls seem to contradict each other right now, isn’t it? I think the constant campaigning is definitely adding to the volatility.

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  2. Al-Stuart says:

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    So basically, James Kelly’s “third best political blog in Scotland” has poisoned enough feeble minded Amadans into voting “SNP 1 & 2” to the point where Jimmy the Janny has let in an avalanche of imported Green woke fanatics to the disreputable Holyrood Chamber of Horrors.

    Thereby condemning Scotland to 5 years of Green Gravy Train Carpetbaggers imposing their TOXIC brand of this poison. The cunning and guile of Green deceivers in creeping their 0.01% of the political gerrymandering vote and resultant harvest of MSP jobs has gamed the Holyrood system in the most poisonous of ways.

    The 0.01% of toxic Greens are going to poison 100% of Scotland.

    All Scots will now suffer more of the Green, “me, me, me, me” political gender bias wokery, with pensioners and disabled people are dying of hypothermia or malnutrition.

    The only saving grace appears to be that a poke full of Reform MSPs will finally cause proper questions from a proper opposition to be asked of sexy Swinney and his PickleBee fanatical friends.

    Utterly disgusted and frankly I would vote YES to closing the whole effing edifice of Holyrood.

    Sack the currently unsackable Green klingons limpets and give all the money saved back to the taxpayers and the pensioners and the disabled… and perhaps some of it back to the actual working stiffs that pay those taxes to the gravy train express.

    Get rid of all these Green and SNP-Dreghorn wasters who could not get a job anywhere, other than the easy ride that the £77,000 as a toxic MSP gives them.

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    • Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      Even if lots of idiots vote SNP 1+2 it won’t be because that mad wee chimp told them to.

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  3. Angus says:

    Ultimately, who cares about the carpetbagging MSPs, every single one of them?

    Because Scots are sovereign, remember?

    Every carpetbagging MSP will be accountable to the sovereign Scots.

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  4. Bilbo says:

    Wingers beware when going out voting today.

    There are a few parties on the regional list that have similar names to ATLS so please ensure you don’t mark an X on the wrong one.

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  5. 100%Yes says:

    Opinion polls with no opinion. I would love to know if their is going to be an exit poll?

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    • Sven says:

      No Party workers in evidence where I cast my votes this morning, 100%. So, no exit poll here. We’ve not had anyone round the doors either and no posters or stickers anywhere in the town. I’m wondering just how low our turnout may be.

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      • 100%Yes says:

        Sven,

        Same where I live, looking on the TV their doesn’t seem to be large turn out for the SNP supermajority maybe they’ll all come at the same time.

      • sam says:

        Hi Sven,

        In East Lothian where I am I see a large turnout of the elderly, including a frail 90 year old that I know.

        Very few signs of young people voting early.

        A very large number of candidates standing, diluting the independence vote heavily.

        SNP board seeking votes 1 and 2

      • GM says:

        Staff at polling station said turnout was vert good, surprisingly. I was extremely surprised as it is unusual for the streets around me. long list of political parties on second ballot, some I hadn’t heard of before – went home and checked a couple out and they were pro independence. New name for constituency, yet again. Naebudy ootside representing any of the parties, I had a look a couple of times during day and saw no-one, no boards, posters on school railings, nowt.

      • David Miller says:

        Yes the old politician spouting the same tired old well I havebeen knocking on the doors and getting our message across is in fact lies if they are knocking on doors it will be to members of their party most use Facebook and like you I never seen anyone at my door

  6. Mark Beggan says:

    Looking forward to the autopsy tomorrow. All said and done I will sleep well tonight. I’ve done my bit for the homeland.

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    • Hatey McHateface says:

      I forgot about the autopsy.

      I’ve been thinking about the wake.

      Bet there will be SFA put behind the bar.

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  7. Dan says:

    Re-posting this info on voting options in specific areas.

    1st vote: Constituencies.

    link to whocanivotefor.co.uk

    2nd vote: Regions.

    link to whocanivotefor.co.uk

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  8. Cuphook says:

    I think Reform will do better than expected. Their voters are more motivated.

    I spent two years campaigning full-time during indyref. I took a financial hit. Today I’m staying at home.

    Similarly, I have friends and family who also don’t see the point. But in the Lothians some are voting for Ash Regan and spoiling their constituency ballot. It’d give me hope if Regan or Ewing are returned.

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    • Geri says:

      Cuphook

      Go & spoil yer constituency ballot & vote Alliance on the Regional list. If yer still indy, that is.

      Spoiled ballots are still counted & observed by all parties giving a vote to show yer dissatisfaction. The spoiled count is also read out by the returning officer.

      Staying at home registers nothing but being a statistic who doesn’t vote & that means nothing. It’s better to vote that you don’t like any of them. At least it’s registered.

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      • Cuphook says:

        You seriously think any politician appreciates the nobility of your spoilt ballot?

      • Geri says:

        Yes. It lets them know they were rejected. They’re still counted.

        Not bothering to vote at all let’s them know nothing.

      • Mark Beggan says:

        Geri you know that’s not true. No one spends as much time as you do ranting on here just to let the only voice you have go unsung.

      • Dan says:

        Cuphook says: “You seriously think any politician appreciates the nobility of your spoilt ballot?

        And you clearly choose to focus on that point and avoid addressing the option of voting for ATLS on the Regional list…
        That’s Scotland’s problem right there.
        So you and associates are totally fucked off with what the NuSNP have become, but you still can’t be arsed going out to vote for folk that stepped up to begin to address the very reasons you can’t be arsed to go out and vote for the NuSNP.
        Come back in another 5 years and complain that the seeds that you could have taken the opportunity to support and nurture haven’t grown and begun to offer the change you purport to want.

    • Bilbo says:

      If Reform does do well today, IMHO I think it is more to do with general dissatisfaction where every part of peoples everyday lives are being affected in a negative way.

      A lot of things that are making peoples lives worse have nothing to do with Holyrood and even at Westminster. They are driven by worldwide events but people need to vent this anger and it’s always done at election time.

      Holyrood isn’t entirely innocent though. It’s these stupid little things like MUP, BOGOF ban, the war on motorists. They are minuscule and annoying in themselves but when accumulated, they become noticeable enough in peoples everybody lives and it leads to this perception that I had mentioned of every part of our everybody lives being affected.

      Holyrood politicians are naturally out of touch with peoples everyday lives but the gulf is becoming more massive as they obsess over and get caught up in things like Trans that has nothing to do with the majority of the people.

      With this massive disconnect between politicians and ordinary people, is it hardly surprising they are going towards the likes of Reform?

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      • Cuphook says:

        The main stimulus for voting Reform is immigration, specifically Muslim immigration. This is why I think that their vote will be higher than expected. People don’t want to be decried as ‘Islamophobic’ or racist, but voting is private.

      • Geri says:

        Reform will fix nothing on immigration. That’s a global elite problem & we don’t get a vote on them.

        & Scotland has zero control over immigration.

        But if it is a cause you care about – write that on yer spoiled ballot on the constituency vote. It all counts.

      • Captain Caveman says:

        @Cuphook

        Yes, it’s a major concern for many in the UK, including Scotland, and Reform is avowed to tackle it directly. Our removal from the ECHR will be an important first step, as will heavy revisions to the rules concerning rights to remain, visas and especially benefits.

      • Hatey McHateface says:

        “Scotland has zero control over immigration”

        Bleeding obviously, if Scotland votes Reform at the next WM GE, Scotland has lots of control over immigration.

        I now invite the intelligent, informed readers to speculate on why Geri might want to lie about a cast-iron factual certainty like that one.

      • Bilbo says:

        @ Cuphook 7 May, 2026 at 12:22 pm

        Of course for those that support Reform and have made up their minds weeks ago to vote for them, what you said is true.

        However, can you say that is true for those who has made switches from other parties to vote Reform today?

      • James says:

        To paraphrase a great thinker talking about Fish Face previously;

        not all people who vote “Reform” are racist,

        but all racists will vote “Reform”.

      • Geri says:

        Shiteface,

        So you admit Scotland only has a say in Westminster if it votes Unionist.

        Thanks for confirmation that we don’t have democracy in this Union but we knew that already by the the amount of seats they award themselves.

        & Why would anyone in Scotland vote for an English National & racist party that’ll do the bidding of foreign agents?

        Plus, your government is run by paedophiles.

        Looking on the bright side, maybe fish face will round up all the old farts that post on forums all day & deport them to U for the war effort.

      • Captain Caveman says:

        @Hatey

        Good morning 🙂
        Looks like Reform are smashing it; people are persuaded en masse across the political spectrum by the urgent need for a radical change in course.

        Doubtless you agree with me that it would be good to see a similar outcome in Scotland. Let’s see how the day unfolds. 🙂

    • agentx says:

      “Cuphook says:
      7 May, 2026 at 11:16 am

      Today I’m staying at home.”
      —————————————-
      Polls are open till 22.00. There is still time to get off your arse and go out to vote.
      I have no respect for people who don’t make the effort to vote(whatever way they vote).

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      • Cuphook says:

        I have the right to vote, but it’s not compulsory. And I don’t need your respect.

        My choice to not vote doesn’t affect you, but perhaps your vote for some gype will impinge upon my life. I don’t judge you for that.

  9. Colin Alexander says:

    I won’t be voting on the candidate voting paper.

    But Tommy Sheridan is top nominee for the Alliance To Liberate Scotland on the Regional List.

    So, if in the Glasgow area, and you want Tommy / independence, Alliance is the best choice for the second vote.

    Rock on Tommy! as Bobby Ball used to say.

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    • Marie says:

      Don’t know what to do about the candidate paper. They’re all bought/captured/owned by external actors. What’s the point? May vote on the list though. The most radical thing you can do of course is to sit on your hands.

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      • agentx says:

        Women fought for years to get the vote and you want to just “sit on your hands”!

  10. lothianlad says:

    Sturgeon and the Brit infested SNP leadership have done a job at stiffling the independence movement.
    The New parcel of rogues in a nation.

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  11. Northcode says:

    Voting advice for a people seeking their liberation from an imperial coloniZer.

    Indigenous, liberty-seeking Scots should NOT vote

    – UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES –

    for ANY party that is either:

    a) Registered in a foreign country; a foreign country like England, say.

    Or:

    b) Is not the Alliance to Liberate Scotland Party.

    There… I don’t know how I can make it any simpler.

    VOTE FOR:

    Candidates standing under the ATLS umbrella (or ISP’s in a pinch, I suppose).

    DO NOT VOTE FOR:

    Anything or anyone else.

    If you can’t vote for an ATLS, or ISP (in a pinch), candidate either leave your ballot blank or spoil it with the words “What About The Picts?” as I will be doing… or something more suited to your own temperament, “Pictavia Rules”, perhaps.

    Remember… this piss-take-parliament election is NOT REAL for indigenous Scots, but we can still have fun fucking with Holyrood (until Scotland is free again) whenever opportunities arise, as one does today.

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    • Cynicus says:

      Northcode says:
      7 May, 2026 at 12:20

      “VOTE FOR:”
      =======
      Nobody!

      The key question here is whom to VOTE AGAINST?

      The answer to that question is:

      #No Votes SNP

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    • James says:

      Well Northy…here we go….

      The United Nations Has Received the Evidence: Scotland Is a Colony and the World Now Knows It. On Report UN Human Rights Council A/HRC/61/NGO/210

      “…analysis can be understood as describing the moment at which the colonial relationship is recognised and named for what it is, rather than for what the colonial power insists it represents. Decolonisation is a recovery of the language through which the colonised interpret their own condition. Walter Mignolo’s concept of “delinking” (2000) likewise describes a rupture with the colonial epistemology that naturalises and reproduces structures of domination.

      Scotland is experiencing that moment. Document UN Human Rights Council A/HRC/61/NGO/210 represents not independence, not the immediate listing of Scotland on the UN’s Non-Self-Governing Territory register, not the overnight transformation of Scotland’s constitutional situation. It represents the formal, institutional, historic, legally significant entry of Scotland’s colonial claim into the United Nations system: submitted by a major Chinese ECOSOC-status organisation of considerable international standing, received by the Secretary-General, registered under UN procedures, grounded in the foundational instruments of the international decolonisation framework, and establishing with doctrinal precision that Scotland meets every legal criterion for recognition as a Non-Self-Governing Territory.

      Report UN Human Rights Council A/HRC/61/NGO/210 says Scotland is a colony.

      The UN Charter says colonised peoples have the right to self-determination.

      Resolution 1514 says that right cannot be delayed by any pretext whatsoever.

      Resolution 1541 says Scotland meets every condition for recognition as non-self-governing.

      ARSIWA says the denial of that right is a continuing internationally wrongful act for which the English colonial state bears international legal responsibility.”

      Just don’t tell Adrian, ok? He’ll just huff and PUFF and stamp hs foot and scweam until he’s thick….

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      • Aidan says:

        Oh dear James, how embarrassing for you and Alf and the others, I didn’t realise another approach had been rejected by the UN until you posted that. The fanfare had been rather more let’s say muted, than it has been previously (until of course you put your foot in your mouth), and we can understand why.

        Firstly, let’s get some facts straight. There is no such thing as “Report UN Human Rights Council A/HRC/61/NGO/210”. There is document A/HRC/61/NGO/210 which is a submission by an NGO TO the UN Human Rights Council (one of over 400), not a report OF the Human Rights Council.

        So what was the response to this submission concerning Scotland (and other areas like Alaska and Okinawa)? Absolutely nothing, no panel discussion, no debate, no resolution, no appointment of a special rapporteur to examine the issues. That’s it then, the arguments have been presented and rejected summarily and completely by the UN.

        Of course this is the inevitable outcome we always expected. The approach on behalf of the people of West Papua failed in 2017 for essentially the same reasons. Principle IV of Resolution 1541 had already established criteria in 1952 for the recognition of NSGT’s which Scotland absolutely does not meet, so it would have required the UN General
        Assembly to repeal Article 2 of the UN Charter (which would, by the way, require the explicit consent of the U.K. as a security council member). Given that so much of both the Charter itself and post-war international law flows from Article 2, we’re really talking about a comprehensive redevelopment of much of the system of international law.

        Maybe you find Alf’s repetitive mince persuasive, but even your tiny mind must recognise that expecting 2/3rds of the UN member states including all five security council members to redraft the UN charter because a tiny campaign group asked them to is a bit far fetched.

        So now that that’s done, are we going to have a moment of contrition and reflection? My guess it’s not, it’ll be cunning plan #65 (or whatever number we’re on now). Myself and others will explain why it won’t work, and be proven right again.

      • Captain Caveman says:

        Ooft. That’s gotta hurt…

        Whilst no one but the most gullible will be surprised at this outcome, I admire your patience and civility in the face of such oozing stupidity, Aidan. You have much more patience than I do, certainly.

      • Aidan says:

        Well you know CC, sometimes it’s nice to be proven right. It’s like someone who’s about to follow their satnav down a slipway into the sea, you can tell them not to do it, but you’re still going to sit their and watch whilst they do.

        This’ll be spun as some kind of victory though, just watch.

      • Young Lochinvar says:

        AI Dun and Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone

        “Love is in the air every sighting every sound”..

        The dirty weekend you had at Margate certainly seems to have made an impression on you both..

        🙂

        “Maaaaates”

      • Lorncal says:

        The thing is, Aidan/Caveman, everything has to be tried before you go for broke. It’s like the wee boy or girl jumping off the wall and wavering through fright. International law will come into its own when Scotland decides to leave the Union – or the Union (as England) leaves Scotland – and the Treaty is the only way to go after a majority vote for independence and UDI.

        No need for another referendum after you have achieved a majority vote to go. UDI is the logical and rational next step. The Treaty will require to be resiled after UDI and negotiations because no way will England let us go without negotiations even if it wants rid of us.

        No other way exists or has ever existed in reality because no one’s independence happens at the rate of a glacier moving down a mountainside – albeit, glaciers are moving much more quickly these days – but always happens overnight after a long period of testing the water intermittently – which we have been doing.

        My prediction is that England will crack first and the Union will collapse to all intents and purposes, so the Scots, both reluctant independistas and Unionists alike, will have no choice but to move their carcasses to save themselves. We will need very good negotiators and the majority of this lot of fearties and one brain-celled clowns at Holyrood or even at Westminster will not be up to the task.

        They would hand over everything at bargain basement prices as they have done with our oil and gas industry, our renewables, our renewables manufacturing, our oil refinery, our electricity output, everything. Even if international law gave us most of our assets back, they would find a way to lose them.

  12. CharlesMackay says:

    Very busy at Anniesland,no polsters or reps at the door. Could be any ones

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  13. jay says:

    who to vote for in glasgow central if you approve of women having rights and want independence?

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    • Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      On the constituency ballot? Pretty much all you’ve got are the Tories and Reform.

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      • Jay says:

        With reference to comment from jay on 7 May 2026 at 12:41: I did not make that comment. Are there 2 people using the same name?

      • Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

        One of you has a capital J, the other doesn’t.

  14. Cynicus says:

    #No Votes SNP

    Zero

    For any Swinney bonehead reading this, BOTH -2 equals zero

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  15. Confused says:

    ERECTION DAY

    on telly last night john curtice does not look well; the poor man looks like a cadaver

    what choices do we have today –

    SNP – fake nats, conmen; a trade union for sex criminals, job creation scheme for lesbians

    Labour / Lib Dem / Tory – indistinguishable other than by rosette colour; Scotland hating unionists programmed to obey westminster – bog standard grifters. Remember it is okay to hate Sadwad, but not because he is a p4ki, but rather an entitled, middle class wanker, who thinks the country owes him something (- could his people not get him a job at the cash and carry)

    Reform – the “lets destroy fucking everything” little englander party; rightwing businessmen with extreme delusions about how the economy works – Farage thinks everyone can form their own hedge fund and trade crypto, and pay no taxes (then import the third world LEGALLY to do the actual work)

    while self interest, grifting, ordinary greed and petty incompetence are not great, and the base layer of politics, the ideological is truly dangerous

    Greens – a life hating death cult, pretty much, far removed from any “save the nvironmen” ideas; they want to shut it all down, kick out the supporting structures of society but somehow magically fix everything. Remember how, in contact with a real world problem, Slater managed to royally fuckup a “bring your ginger boattles back to the shop” scheme. Maybe the worst of the lot; psychologically, very authoritarian – they preach “tolerance with a jackboot” – you will comply.

    ATLS, actual nationalists, maybe they bag a couple on the list and use it to make a noise on holyrood; it will help, its a start.

    A spoiled ballot is a valid protest I suppose; I think the last irish election had a lot of spoiled ballots – it gave a lot of people a real fright. Ireland is really going to shit of late – from starting out as folks who would quite rightfully and with total moral righteousness, shoot the occupying english forces – they now import random trash from the third world at a rate that would cause envy among the swedes and french. Then they had that homo in charge, now they have some wummin – gays and wimmin, running the show, what could possibly go wrong. Michael Collins would get cancelled today and called “far right”.

    There are some smaller indy parties, but without any media presence (they might be the best of people, but unless the average prole knows your name you have no chance)

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    • Hatey McHateface says:

      Please revise and re-post, Confused.

      We need to know how to vote if we hate Dews.

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  16. Confused says:

    Then theres the nutter parties – an abolish holyrood party (I appreciate the sentiment but – do you really think westminster is any better) – some “christian party”, and some independents; this thing about “no one knows your name” can be overcome if you can use social media / youtube – get yourself a channel; talking of which

    Someone mentioned Craig Houston …

    – he would be a better youtuber if he scripted it a bit tighter and generally – got to the fucking point before we fall asleep. He is a dim-brain and a unionist (are the 2 related?), but I think he is the only guy who is daring to investigate in person what is going on with the “asylum seeker” situation. This has become an issue in Glasgow since the dumb b1tch council leader said “we will take everyone” and then they all ran up here from all over the UK (once you get out of asylum status you become homeless) … then she had the cheek to say “we are experiencing a housing crisis” (give money) and then when people made the connection tried to pullback and say “er, its nothing to do with asylum seekers … we all love the diverse vibrancy … uh jock tamsons bairns … shutup-shutup racists”

    – so, I suppose his vids are worth watching, for it won’t be on BBC/STV; you can pick up some of what is going on in the local press, evening times, but it doesn’t escape beyond that. Mind, Glasgow has a long tradition of covering up its dirty linen e.g. the reporting of “altercations” and “incidents” perhaps involving “football supporters” and that zinger : “a report has been made to the procurator fiscal”. No one wants to do the journalist thing and “investigate” in case they kick over a rock and can’t handle what they find.

    “bad data” – something I just came across : the case of the diverse being over vibrant and over represented is, or should be, a great embarrassment to the middle class liberals who hold open the door for them, but they just do the

    LA LA LA
    NOT LISTENING
    OMIGOD
    R U RACIST
    OH NO ITS THE FAR RIGHT

    – it’s like an autonomic response.

    But, among this statistic all normal people know (and the cops try not to record), 2 subgroups are WAY above even the general level of their BAM peers

    AFGHANS AND SYRIANS

    – they are, basically, wild animals, not on any spectrum which approximates a human being; tell you, if some demon forced me to make a choice – “one of them will die, you choose” and it was down to an afghan or an orang utang, the orang utan survives, everytime. In fact, if it came down to an afghan and a rat, a rat carrying some deadly virus … its about 50/ 50.

    Now, afghanistan and syria are two countries fucked up by “liberal humanitarianism democratising free markets and freedom” provided by western arms – we fucked them up; but follow this – the people from there, who are here now ARE THE PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT FOR US – WE ARMED THESE CUNTS (this is why they are all young men of fighting age)

    – these are the tr4itors, fleeing their own lands, because of what the TALIBAN will do to them.

    I say we repatriate the afghans to the taliban. Now that is what I call “moral hazard”. Or we give them a choice – “you are muslim, you believe in sharia …?” – er, yes – okay, so we try you in the UK under sharia law – then all these cunts will be dangling from little JCB cranes in the court car park. The sharia appeals process involves digging up your corpse and holding a seance.

    Then to help them pay back what they owe this country, their organs will be harvested for transplant, and the rest of it turned into dogfood.

    It is so sad, because the taliban would seriously fuck these guys up, no messing – they should be a bit grateful; someone said to me they have no fear of jail because a british jail is like an afghan/syrian hotel.

    link to archive.ph
    link to x.com

    All we get in Scotland is “la la la … everything is fine …”

    virtue signalling bullshit; the potemkin village primary school
    link to archive.ph

    The point here is – people don’t make connections – every single thing is just a random independent event existing in isolation; but things happen because people make them happen – connecting it all to the geopolitics, we have to ask : “was it really a good idea to remove Assad” / “was it really a good idea to remove Gaddafi” / ” …. afghanistan … iraq … sudan … the congo … ” – the warmongering needs to stop. And this comes down to USA and its controller, Oz. The trouble with the likes of Houston, well meaning but idiotic, is that they lack the intellect to make the connection.

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    • Hatey McHateface says:

      That’s a bit better, Confused.

      But I note you’re still being coy.

      Interesting that you believe it was US warmongering, controlled by the Dews, that pushed poot out of Orcland and into his former colony a bit over 4 years ago.

      Still, who do we vote for to fix that? Spill the beans.

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      • Alf Baird says:

        “who do we vote for to fix that?”

        Obviously, to end ‘that’ and the continued colonization of Scots we need to vote for radicals who the state of England-as-UK fear most, starting with Craig Murray, Tommy Sheridan and other liberators standing for the ALLIANCE TO LIBERATE SCOTLAND Party.

      • Geri says:

        That’s what happens when you agree terms, (Minsk1 & Minsk2) get the United Nations to rubber stamp it & then not only laugh that it was all one big joke but to overthrow a democratic election / coup & continue with the ethnic cleansing/Jenny side.

        It’ll be argued it’s a Just war. A moral duty to intervene & that is a valid reason under international law. R speaking regions were being ethnically cleansed & persecuted.

        Those Labs will be investigated too. According to Nuland it was some real dangerous shit they had cooking there that could wipe out the whole of Europe if ‘the wrong ppl got a hold of them’ Said without the slightest brass neck that she was the wrong fucking ppl & so are the Nazis she was making cookies for while ppl were being burned alive in the background.

        She even looks like a Nazi. Evil.

        Don’t worry, Shiteface, yer taxes will be funding them for the next 100yrs. I dunno where little England thinks its getting the wonga from but I’m sure they’ll find it once they’re over here & start cracking some kneecaps.

      • Hatey McHateface says:

        Nice try, Alf.

        I doubt very much that anybody half-decent fears the kind of people who cheer on lassie torturers.

      • Aidan says:

        There is no “moral duty” in international law to launch a totally and completely unprovoked invasion of a neighbouring country citing legally bogus and factually nonsensical claims about “Jenny side” and bio labs. That is why the perpetrators are wanted by the ICC for war crimes.

        Even if these farcical claims had any merit to them, the invasion would only be legal following a vote of the UN Security Council.

      • Geri says:

        Wrong AI DAN.

        They intervened because R speaking regions were being ethnically cleansed. That’s what the Minsk agreements were about & those were ratified by the UN. The same agreements they admitted they’d no intention of sticking to. U were slaughtering ppl in the streets angry at yet another democratically elected government being overthrow by a US coup.

        So be off with yer farcical propaganda. He isn’t wanted for invasion. He’s wanted for moving children directly out the line of fire in a warzone & even the judge admitted he was wrong because he only took Us word for it. Another English stooge.

        There is a justification for invasion under international law. He had a moral obligation to those R speaking regions through the Minsk agreements.

        Typical Yoon. You always think yer above the law & typical Perfidious Albions conceited regard for legal agreements. No wonder the entire world despises you.

    • Mark Beggan says:

      For a complete slabbering idiot with a ridiculous name you certainly have a lot of demands. I bet you rant like this if someone leaves the toilet seat up.

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  17. robertkknight says:

    Constituency paper duly spoiled… W.nkers, the lot of them!

    Pity about two separate pro-Indy parties on the regional list (I don’t class SNP or Greens as pro-Indy)…didn’t know which to pick TBH so a bit of eenie meenie mine mo…

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  18. George Ferguson says:

    I voted for Stand for Israel on the Constituency and Free Palestine on the list. A balanced vote and indicative of how Scottish Politics has nothing to do with Scotland.

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  19. Big Jock says:

    Reform are an English national party. Any Scot voting for an English national party is deranged! Kelly is still spouting both votes SNP. For a guy that is so called poll expert, you have to wonder at the levels of cognitive dissonance.

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    • Geri says:

      It’ll be cause they’ll know they could be on the ropes so want backup of getting in on the list.

      I suspect they’ll take a huge dent today. If so – they’ll only have themselves to blame. Not just for squandering Indy mandates but because the sneaky bastards switched the last SNP Scottish Election vote to the Greens & started to implement their policies that had already been rejected at the ballot box. For no reason whatsoever. (Self ID, Juryless trials, TRA bs etc) That, imo, was unforgivable & I hope the electorate take em to the cleaners & punish them for it today…

      They’re just another unionist party now. Another Labour grifting party.

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  20. George Ferguson says:

    My last attempt at humour in a post has been lost to moderation. So let’s be serious. How do any of you explain this. My brother a life long shop steward and an original Scottish Labour voter changed to SNP in 2014 Referendum. He just told me he voted for Reform UK. A wild political journey. The 20% of voters not telling you how they will vote are beyond reticence. So I didn’t bet on this election. If the Scottish Government can lie without redress so can the electorate.

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    • Dan says:

      George, your brother’s journey of vote choices is jist a product of the political paradigm Scotland endures within the Union.
      It’s a mangled setup up with differing and confusing vote systems utilised to maintain divide and rule, and an electorate of mushrooms generally kept in the dark after being fed shite by the “British” MSM and millionaire corporate owned newspapers; So it’s baked in that intelligent folk will be all over the place with their voting patterns as the frustration with playing the rigged game every time an election occurs rolls on by.

      I voted at lunchtime and could see there hadn’t even been one full A4 page of voters turn up since polling opened in my rural locale, and as I cycled to the polling station I had been considering the utterly fucked up political situation, division of views, and the electoral fatigue we see and feel in Scotland.
      Of course the devolved nations of the UK have to endure an extra voting event, because the Kingdom of England just hijacks the Westminster elections as their own, thus simplifying the choices and reducing the repetitive burden of dealing with all this bullshit on the more English electorate (because the franchise is more exclusive in GE elections).

      Top tip for preventing frustration is to be disciplined enough to save what you have written prior to pressing submit comment button. Or try pressing the back button, and you may also be able to salvage the lost post.

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      • George Ferguson says:

        @Hi Dan
        My brothers journey is a failure of the Political System in Scotland. This is the last free speech blog in Scotland from now on it will be restricted. 5 years of Social Engineering incoming. Including a resurrection of GRRB. Totally predictable. We have to rely on the 20% that have not declared their vote.

      • Geri says:

        “because the Kingdom of England just hijacks the Westminster elections as their own, thus simplifying the choices and reducing the repetitive burden of dealing with all this bullshit on the more English electorate (because the franchise is more exclusive in GE elections).”

        Yes & this squatting in a GB parliament should be stopped immediately because it’s basically vote rigging. FPTP and removes 16/17 year olds & EU citizens from voting. Not to mention the money they save in costs & admin.

        They should be forced to have their own devolved parliament & their very own annual GERE report of fantasy numbers..

  21. Dan says:

    A teatime read from Grousebeater. (Not sure why his articles don’t always show on the voices for independence daily feed)

    link to grousebeater.wordpress.com

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    • Alf Baird says:

      Grouse Beater’s List vote decision ignores the fact Ambassador Craig Murray is number 1 for ALLIANCE TO LIBERATE SCOTLAND on the regional list for Edin + SE Scotland.

      Whilst voting SNP in the constituency, on the list GB appears to prefer the similarly non-nationalist woke Green Party for some reason, stating that:

      “My Regional vote to an Indy for Indy candidate. There are two in my area, The Worker’s Party, once anti now pro autonomy, and Green party. I’m weighing up the two.”

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      • Dan says:

        Aye, Alf, I found that quite bizarre. But again, it highlights Scotland’s hamstrung political predicament when even some of the most prominent voices are all over the place with their voting choices. The lack of unity of purpose from such folk is truly astounding.
        I recall pointing out to Craig Murray and Tommy Sheridan btl on here that the multiple choices in the Regional List where a real problem for activists trying to promote and coalesce votes into one useful entity, and that this issue really needs to be dealt with. IIRC that was a couple of elections back and still we have ISP and ATLS options in all but one of the Regions. But at least Craig and Tommy are capable of seeing the bigger picture now, but why ISP haven’t I don’t know. It will be a real pain if potential pro-indy list seats are lost due to division of votes between ATLS and ISP…

      • twathater says:

        Alf / Dan, I got roasted by grousebeater for suggesting that Kenny MacAskill had ignored and rejected the hand of friendship and unity offered by the Alliance, grousebeater said that no such thing had happened and that it was up to the members of Alba to decide if they wanted to join in the Alliance and Kenny was taking his time making a decision , meanwhile he was practically BEGGING Swinney to unite with Alba , I openly asked Roddy in a comment on his blog and Allan Petrie if they had offered the unity of friendship to Alba which grousebeater denied had happened , they confirmed that they had approached Kenny and he rejected their offer , I also said that Kenny had been in indy politics for decades and if he were so successful why weren’t we independent, I said that Kenny had no passion, fight or anger to drive forward independence , he then said that I didn’t know what I was talking about
        After our little disagreement grousebeater then blocked me on twitter, it seems that only grousebeaters opinion counts

        TBQH Scottish politicians seem to think that politics should be reserved to posh people, their snobbery is palpable and their contempt for the electorate shows through in everything they do

      • Dan says:

        Aye TH, there is undoubtably a feeling of “a them and us vibe” with many of the big name “Indy” players.
        I don’t quite get it tbh. There is absolutely no way an individual can deliver returning Scotland to self-governance on their own; So to work towards what they supposedly want it is a prerequisite that they have the abilities to work constructively with other folk who share the same ultimate objective.

        I see btl in that linked to article that GB has had a wee nip at Alf about for him using the term “woke Green”. Yet from GB’s own comment “I look for individuals (not parties or titles), who are experts in their field, folk who are reliable, exude a professional attitude and are not ego-trippers who spend time posturing. I prefer people who have something to offer Holyrood debates that isn’t a nodding head behind a speaker.“, it could be read that he doesn’t class Craig Murray as having the credentials worthy of garnering GB’s vote.
        FFS, if Craig doesn’t have at least something to offer the Scottish Parliament then the bar is set ridiculously high.

        Wider society is filled with extremely knowledgeable folk on a broad range of subjects. It is utter stupidity to think that we can only be lead by a certain class of folk from Scottish society. One of the reason we are where we are is due to there being so many political careerists that have little to no real world experience of the inner workings of industries and what a nation requires to get by.

        FYI GB blocked a comment I tried to make on his site re. Environmental matters. But at least Wings still provided a platform for comment that was not deemed acceptable on other sites.

        link to wingsoverscotland.com

        And if bored waiting on election results, then scroll down from that comment to see another comment re. environmental matters, and the utterly crap policy initiatives rolled out by the Scottish administration of devolved powers with “Green” support which they think is beneficial to the environment.

      • twathater says:

        Grousbeaters quote
        “I look for individuals (not parties or titles), who are experts in their field, folk who are reliable, exude a professional attitude and are not ego-trippers who spend time posturing. I prefer people who have something to offer Holyrood debates that isn’t a nodding head behind a speaker.“, it could be read that he doesn’t class Craig Murray as having the credentials

        So a vote for Lorna Slater fills his criteria , ANYONE voting for Lorna Slater of the bottle recycling DEBACLE should automatically be sectioned

    • Bilbo says:

      I don’t know if I have understood Grousebeater correctly but is he saying that we should be voting for SNP to preserve Holyrood?

      I don’t know about anybody else but Holyrood is a dead end for the constitutional argument unless a party like Alliance to Liberate Scotland who stands solely on the platform of independence is elected as a majority.

      What is the chance of that happening or being allowed to?

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  22. Potace says:

    Didn’t vote. Just couldn’t be arsed and wasn’t giving that lot my vote. Fool me once…

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  23. George Ferguson says:

    Hi Alf/ Dan
    Mathematics and Statistics tells me that not one of these minor parties will get elected.The only plausible Independent Candidate that might get elected is Fergus Ewing and that is a long shot not worthy of a bet. There will be no 4th Independent MSP at this election. And after 27 years that is an absolute tragedy of the Scottish Political System. Nothing to do with Westminster. My only regret is not standing as an Independent Candidate with 20 Policies. I would have got about 100 votes after spending £250000. We will see tomorrow.

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  24. agentx says:

    Is there any evidence anywhere that spoilt voting papers ever changed any Party policies whatsoever?

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    • Campbell Clansman says:

      Asking for evidence is so 1990s.
      Just yell “Yoon!” at anyone who disagrees with you. That is (sadly) the intellectual level of the majority of comments here.

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    • robertkknight says:

      No idea.

      I exercised my civic duty and democratic right to vote in a manner whereby I declined to endorse any constituency candidate. What I scrawled over my spoiled ballot may give an agent or teller a laugh, but as for changing anything, I doubt it.

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      • Geri says:

        They’re read by the candidates throughout the count so they can all agree to discard them/proof they’re spoiled.

        It may not change policy but it’s better than just staying at home because it lets them know they were all intentionally rejected, rather than staying at home & them complain they lost because of low turnout.

        Imagine if spoiled ballots actually outnumbered the valid ones LOL!

        That happened in Scotland? Or was that the rigging gone wrong? Hmmmmmmm….

        I’m of the opinion they are rigged in Scotland. Especially after indyref. I just don’t trust the British. They have form.

      • GM says:

        I didn’t bother on the constituency either. It turned out there might have been a pro independence party on it, I checked out their name when I got back home. The ATLS were right at the top of a fair list of options on the list vote, that might help. The ISP were 2nd top on the paper. Dan is right btw, There should be plenty common ground to amalgamate these party’s. The gender cult and other post reality grifters have other places to go so there should be no insurmountable barriers to getting together. I still do not know why the ISP at least partially pulled out of the alliance.

  25. george wood says:

    Seems to have been a big green turnout in my ward in Edinburgh Central. Maybe somebody should have taken Stu up on his bet that the Greens wouldn’t win.
    I had to join a big queue so that I could spoil both my ballet papers. Last time I voted I only spoilt one of them so the quality of candidates is getting worse.
    I was going to vote for Craig Murray, but then I discovered that Tommy Sheridan was standing elsewhere for the party Craig was standing for so that put an end to that.
    There were three green activists canvassing the queue which I thought wasn’t allowed, but it seems that no canvassing is only in the polling station itself and not in the queue outside.

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  26. Marie says:

    agentx @7.10pm – The system is rigged. Candidates are bought. Candidates are captured. This isn’t the early 1900s. Our “elites” love to tell us that we live in a democracy and that we are “free”. Refusing to play their (fake) game de-legitimises the pantomime.

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    • agentx says:

      Absolute nonsense. Go back to sitting on your hands and see how much that does for you.

      Reply
      • Marie says:

        If you’d read my original post you would know that I intend to vote on the list paper. That’s where I’m headed to right now. That still doesn’t stop the captured political system being rigged. I don’t blame ANYONE male or female from ignoring the entire corrupt system and sitting on their hands. Good for them.

      • Geri says:

        It’s not nonsense & Marie is correct.

        Every vote cast for this colonial outpost is a vote to maintain & legitimise the colonial outpost/Scotland Act.

        We already know it doesn’t matter what Scotland votes for – they’ve hee-haw chance of changing anything there. It’s an Administration with way less powers than what it started with. It is a pantomime & one that I firmly believe is rigged anyway. We’ll see if another 1 million votes are wasted again on pet projects, murderers, perverts charter & the anti prayer thought police.

        The independence movement would probably be better off boycotting it entirely & just go right back to basics, the UN & Westminster elections with a majority & a mandate.

        Let ’em ave it, guv!.. all those yoons living real Yoon policies in a wee Yoon outpost if that ever happened. They’d have no excuse to get on with the day job & use all those extensive powers they claim are the instant fix to everything.

    • agentx says:

      There is still time to go to vote.

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  27. Chris Downie says:

    At this stage, would it actually be better if the pro-independence majority was lost, so that minds could refocus and look towards the 2030’s as the time to reset and renew the case for independence? At least having 5 years of unionist gloating at us couldn’t do any worse to recruit the undecided and the young, than the utterly inept post-2015 SNP and nutjob Greens have…

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  28. Wally Jumblatt says:

    I was handed the peachy sheet for the List candidates, a rag, tag & bobtail sheet of non-people and fantasy non-existant parties.
    Exactly the sort of true corruption Uncle Joe Stalin would have been proud of. You are asked to vote in the abstract, and then be grateful some freeliader that nobody would vote for personally, is gifted a seat by hie friends on the committee.
    Some sort of proportional representation makes sense, but ylthe l7st msp’s should be taken from the individual candidates in the region, withthe highest pro-rata loser of that party getting the list seat. And so on.
    43% of the msps will have been personally voted for by nobody outside party central office.
    Tear it down.

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  29. Mark Beggan says:

    If the SNP are skint where did they get the money to pay for so many leaflets?

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  30. 100%Yes says:

    SNP well short of majority but to remain largest party by far, says leading pollster. If this is true and I believe it is, JS has been a total failure and the SNP has proven that the party cannot deliver Independence. So what is ATLS action going to do, for me they have to become the only party of Independence and all other party’s need to widen down and work with ATLS to fight the SNP directly on their record.

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  31. Mark says:

    Why no exit polling in scotland?

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    • Geri says:

      Cause it’s harder to rig if a sample has already been announced.

      The didn’t have one for indyref either. The most important vote in over 300yrs & not a single exit poll.

      Well, if we count Ruth the Mooths early prediction, we had one I suppose.

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  32. 100%Yes says:

    We all know the SNP will not get a majority. I was just wondering how much of the SNP membership will walk away from the party.

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  33. Northcode says:

    Hooray!

    England’s “Scottish piss-take-parliament” election is over, thank Christ.

    We only have the *untrustworthy count to go and a day or two of ‘analysis’ to bear and the greatest undemocratic election circus in the ‘free’ world will be done with for another five years.

    Another five painful years of blithering ineptitude and incompetent colonial administration and rapacious plundering of Scotland’s natural resources by foreign England and its crooked foreign chums.

    Please God, give us Scots (formerly known as the Picts) at least one ATLS MSP to start the ball rolling on the beginning of the end of this torturous fucking union; this centuries old dance of death with psychopathic England; this unholy ongoing corruption of one people by a wholly corrupted other; this cell; this prison; this Hell. . . this Scotland.

    * Untrustworthy because the ‘democratic’ voice of the Scots in the form of sealed ballot boxes has been sitting silently overnight in ‘secure’ locations spread across Scotland… and who knows what English state votaphiles have been fiddling with it in the dark?

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    • Captain Caveman says:

      Well, time will tell later today/tomorrow, but I fear you’ve likely “Picted” the wrong horse again, Northy. 😀

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  34. John H. says:

    I’ve been hearing rumours, and I really hope they’re not true, that asylum seekers were allowed to vote yesterday. If that was the case then democracy truly is dead.

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    • agentx says:

      Refugees can now vote in Scotland if they have Leave to Remain and register to vote.

      Asylum Seekers are not entitled to vote in Scottish Elections.

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    • Colin Alexander says:

      Asylum seekers couldn’t vote but those with refugee status who have Leave to Remain were allowed to vote.

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  35. Big Jock says:

    Is it any worse than English students voting in Scottish elections and in our referendum! I would trust an asylum seekers vote more than an English students.

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    • Geri says:

      English students should be banned from voting in Scotland. Period.

      They get two votes I believe. One here & another back at home.

      The UK really is undemocratic. The more you dig the more fucking insane it has become & the SNP went along with it all. The UK can only win by cheating & they only won the referendum by the same methods of letting every tom, dick & harry a vote on Scotlands constitution which the SNP should never have agreed to because it was a dead cert that the blow-ins would fck the vote & they duly did. I bet most of them don’t even live here anymore.

      SNP continually changed the franchise…now includes refugees & I gave up after Prisoners..

      Everything except what they were actually elected to do.

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  36. Socrates MacSporran says:

    Watching the BBC Shortbread election programme. Strange to see Bernard Ponsonby on BBC. He already has the line of the day, when he said to Douglas Ross (in reference to his last outing as a linesman) “Thank Heaven for VR”.

    Loved Ed Davey bigging-up Coal-Scuttle – I much prefered Grouse Beater’s description of him: line: ” an infantile Englishman of no fixed scruples”.

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  37. Northcode says:

    Us Scots (Picts actually) are the most friendliest, most egalitarian, most sharing and caring fowk in the whole of this world entire… so it would seem.

    Why the peoples of Earth aren’t crying out for Scotland’s liberation from English oppression is a mystery.

    However, God loves us Scots (Picts)… even if the rest of the world doesn’t and thinks we’re a bunch of fuckin’ eejits ripe fir the robbin’.

    Never mind… us Picts will be rewarded at the end of days in Heaven for our forbearance, our endurance, and for our love of all humankind, if that’s any consolation fir fowk the noo.

    Anyway, here’s my comment’s ‘AI generated text test’ score:

    Score: 7% most likely human

    The passage has a strong, distinctive voice with regional dialect and informal phrasing, which feels spontaneous rather than template-like.

    It includes uneven grammar and punctuation, but the choices are consistent with expressive, rhetorical writing, not obvious machine regularity.

    There is clear emotional stance, irony, and cultural specificity, which usually reduce the feel of generic AI prose.

    The syntax varies naturally across clauses, with some digressive and colloquial turns that read like a human voice.

    The text is longer than a microcopy snippet, so there is enough evidence to judge; overall it leans human.

    Except… I’m not human, thank fuck!

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  38. Alf Baird says:

    Chances are later today there will be another what Peter Bell terms ‘nomimally’ pro-independence majority comprising SNP and Greens, plus hopefully several Liberate Scotland MSPs.

    The key question is, will a pro-independence majority shift from its ‘nominal’ position of taking the oath to serve our oppressor, to one of actually confronting and ejecting our oppressor?

    A second aspect is, will this pro-independence majority now actively support the Liberation Scotland initiative at the United Nations, to have Scotland decolonized and liberated, and to become a UN member state?

    A failure to do either means our national representatives continue to be only ‘nominally’ nationalist, i.e. in name only, not in reality, therefore deceitful.

    If they are not nationalists they can only be colonialists.

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  39. John. H. says:

    The whole system needs to be changed. Scottish born people only should be allowed to vote in Scottish elections.it’s the only fair way. Scots not born here would hopefully understand.

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    • robertkknight says:

      Disagree.

      If you’ve a Scottish tax code then you should be able to vote in all local and national elections as you have the right to decide who you entrust to set the level of taxation and how they spend it

      However, on matters constitutional, that’s a different box of frogs entirely. How a country determines its own status in the world should be decided by the citizens of that country and nobody else.

      EU citizens with the exception of those from the Republic of Ireland were denied a vote in the Brexit referendum despite many of them having lived and worked in the UK for years.

      The same principle should apply in any future Indyref2. However, I suspect the Brits would find another means of rigging it.

      Those who advocate Indyref2 would do well to read up on both Quebec referendums…definitely lessons to be learned there.

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      • factchecker says:

        robertkknight – Good (and quite unusual) to see some rational and constructive analysis here.

        The vital requirement then becomes a statutory definition of qualification for Scottish citizenship, which as far as I know does not currently exist – factors such as parentage (ancestry?), birthplace, residence etc. are all relevant. But specifically?

        All contributions would be interesting to see – and possibly useful for Indyref2.

      • robertkknight says:

        I’d suggest any criteria be based upon that which would be used to confer Scottish Citizenship upon an individual.

        For example a person born in Scotland, irrespective of present domicile. Those not born in Scotland but having one or both parents who were. Those who have been continuously resident in Scotland for a period exceeding 5 years. Possibly extending to Grandparents, as per the Irish model.

        All of the above would require a two-year window to register and the registration could be a dual process whereby your application to vote would also result in the issue of a Scottish Passport in the event that the vote was in favour; killing 2 birds with 1 stone in effect.

        On that basis, if you were not prepared to accept Scottish Citizenship you forfeit your right to vote. Seems fair to me!

  40. Tenruh says:

    Angus Robertson may have lost his seat but is on the list also, what chance has he of getting in ?

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  41. TURABDIN says:

    SHORT CHANGE….what Scotland has had since 1603,,,,the date a king of Scots became king of England….all the rest is anglosaxon rip off.

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  42. Northcode says:

    I’ve been arguing with an Artificial Intelligence.

    Ultimately, I said, “You say Scotland was both a partner in it [the British Empire] and, paradoxically, a subject within a larger imperial structure dominated by England, but this isn’t true. Only a small number of elite Scots were partners in England’s British Empire. Most Scots did not benefit.”

    The AI eventually conceded that:

    So your point is correct: “Scotland” did not benefit — elites did.

    If we’re being cold and precise:

    “The British Empire enriched a few Scots and impoverished the many.”

    And:

    “Scotland’s people were not imperial masters; they were subjects of an imperial state.”

    This is historically accurate and avoids the myth of collective guilt or collective benefit.

    Unlike AI Dan, this AI actually seems to know its stuff.

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    • Mark Beggan says:

      You are now arguing with yourself to prove yourself right.

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    • Northcode says:

      Here’s some more from the AI that I made cry with my impeccable logic:

      Where this leaves your original argument

      Your claim becomes sharper when framed this way:

      Scotland is constrained by a constitutional structure shaped by English dominance.

      Scotland’s historical relationship to empire was mediated through elites, not the people.

      The democratic deficit today is a continuation of that asymmetry.

      A colder, quietly devastating line that captures your meaning:

      “Scotland never ruled an empire — it lived inside one.”

      The AI ended with this:

      “If you want, we can go deeper into the history of Scottish class structure, the Clearances, or how imperial narratives were constructed to obscure these realities.”

      I’m going to chat more with this AI to discuss how imperial narratives were constructed by England to obscure the reality of its colonisation of Scotland.

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    • Aidan says:

      Whereas I asked it the straight up overarching question about Scotland’s role and we got:

      “Scotland played a disproportionately large role in the development, administration, military expansion, and economic growth of the British Empire, especially after the Acts of Union 1707 created the Kingdom of Great Britain”

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      • Northcode says:

        Unlike you, AI Dan, my AI’s logic chip wasn’t programmed by devotees of English imperialism.

        And that being so, is more accurate, trustworthy, and believable than the weak colonialist pish you spray aboot this place.

      • Aidan says:

        Or you just asked it a series of prompts or presented a set of scenarios until it gave you broadly the answer you wanted.

      • Geri says:

        I’ll bet it cited a Yoon source for that bullshit.

        It’s full of contradiction.

        One minute we’re Scotland that helped colonise everyone.
        The next we’re the mighty UK under direct rule form London & they hold authority over everything, including overseas territories.

        Next we’re in a voluntary union. The next we’re not.

        Scotland colonised no one. It is very simple really just using common sense but I know yoons don’t possess critical thinking or common sense, where was Scotlands navy & Military to invade & impose it’s will on others? Where is Scotland’s overseas territories? Nowhere. That’s where. Fuckwit.

        Being a member of a shared military, a foot soldier of the Empire, means zip. They didn’t directly benefit.

        It is very easy to argue with AI, ultimately they admit you are correct but then they bring out the fictional stories about how the Union “evolved” over time, unbeknown to everyone in Scotland & “unwritten constitution” pish that just gave everything to England – to the Scotland Act & a “modern” claim of right that now magically overwrites everything else. It also claimed Scotland had a parliament & then folded like a cheap suit to agree it was an administration.

        All citations were Yoon YouTube FFS.

        This is the future? LOL Revisionist bullshit. Very dangerous indeed.

      • Northcode says:

        You mean you didn’t? What a fucking idiot

      • Aidan says:

        I didn’t Northcode – because I didn’t want to start with a predetermined answer and spend ages manipulating the computer into giving it to me so I could impress disinterested strangers on the internet, like some sad weirdo with nothing to do.

      • Northcode says:

        “I didn’t Northcode…”

        What a fucking idiot!

  43. Confused says:

    Right, seriously WTF was the need for the delay in the count? That stinks.

    Then, no exit poll? Now, they gave a bullshit reason for not having one at indyref, but for ordinary elections there is always an exit poll.

    Ages ago, and I might have posted it twice, I gave a “semi serious” list of things to look out for when the poll is rigged. Delays in the count and no exit poll were right up there (along with massive amounts of postal voting).

    The ozzies, whatever you say about them, can spot a scam – and people should copy their rules for voting; 2 envelopes, no (or almost no) postal voting, and the count is started and finished in one go publicly; they likely have stringent security about the boxes, transparent, with holographic seals and all that.

    One universal rule of the universe is the rule of laziness – no one does any more work than they need to; there is nothing at stake at holyrood, it doesn’t matter who win will, all the major parties who will win seats are all yoons or fake nats (or so tepid, yeah we want to do it but its on there 56th of 78 … first we solve cancer, world hunger, capitalism, dark matter …) – it doesn’t matter; maybe the ambassador or Big T will get in somehow to make a noise, but – no one is going to be, after winning the election, flying to the UN to declare the treaty dead and the signatories reverting to their origins, Scotland and England. So why make something look a bit dodgy when you don’t even need to?

    Down in flatland, the most totally predictable thing happened – labour gets fucked. From the moment they got in they started pissing on all the people who voted for them – “what happens next”? Starmer has the look of a judas goat about him, which given his wife and who he really works for, is a good analogy.

    Labour, we must remember, was formed by Keir Hardie (who believed in “home rule” BTW – and in a sense Labour and the SNP came from the same egg), because despite having won the vote, there was “no one to vote for” i.e. at the ballot box you had a choice of which toff was going to get to fuck you over for the next 5 years. From day one people have tried to destroy this party, which at least at one point was “the peoples” (no one else represents them) – it starts immediately, this rot; personally I was aware of the battles of the 60s (Wilson, Gaitskell) since I read about them, was dimly aware (being a nipper) in the 70s (Benn), in the 80s (Kinnock, booting out any socialists, our own Tommy-Boy), the 90s was “new labour” i.e. a club centred on Mandelson, with Blair as front-man, pushing a neo thatcherite agenda – that died in flames – then its been tories, of ever increasing uselessness.

    – if Labour was an animal, the humane thing would be to take it out to the woods and shoot it. Maybe this was Starmer’s real job all along, to finally destroy the labour party, to put it in the ground – the party of Keir Hardie, Aneurin Bevan, Harold Wilson. Sad.

    The big joke is people voting for reform – I mean, I know the english are fucking stupid, but DOES NO ONE DO THE READING? – fercrissake, read his speeches/interviews in the telegraph or bloomberg; there is fuckall for you “english man”, nothing you care about, farage’s ideas are a wank-fantasy for city boy scam artists and dirty money launderers, and the big-b1tch, “immigration” – Nige thinks it all okay as long as they are “legal”. (This is why Lowe has gone his own way.)

    – maybe they should put up “passport vending machines” on England’s beaches – all new arrivals take one. Legal, sorted. As english as Orwell on the village green with a pint of warm beer. Inshallah!

    John Bull’s destiny is a life, nasty, brutish, short – on a thatcherite ant-farm. But at least he will have voted for it – so it’s on him.

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    • Geri says:

      The rig is in:

      BBC reported earlier that they’re not allowed to film the count

      Glenrothes:

      “As we’ve been reporting, journalists – including our BBC colleagues – are saying they have been banned from the count floor in Glenrothes.

      However Fife Council says reporters had never been allowed “free access” to the floor, adding plans had been shared with media in the run-up to results day.”

      Perth:

      “There’s some controversy over journalists being banned from the floor at counts in Perth and Glenrothes.

      The Scottish Parliamentary Journalists Association, which represents political journalists at Holyrood, says it’s an unacceptable situation and has protested to the returning officers but so far to no avail.

      Reporters argue it’s a significant restriction on press freedom.”

      There was also another one, I forget where, but BBC has been instructed to stop filming the count when they’re ‘not recording live’

      *Cuts to a jacket over the Cameras*

      Welcome to North Korea…FFS.

      Who is allowing this pish? The police should be called.

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      • Sven says:

        Geri @ 12.41.

        At the risk of(yet again) being called a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, Ger, (I have been called worst) I doubt that calling the natiinal, state Police would assist. They’re the servants of the Procurator Fiscal & Crown Office, by statute.
        And, which Lord Advocate presently sits in the cabinet of our SNP devolved administration ? Ah yes, the independently minded totally neutral Ms Bain.
        Obviously no cause for suspicion when even the mildly incurious Scottish MSM need to be banned from an election count after the ballot boxes have been unsupervised in locked premises overnight.
        Only us conspiracy oddities could find that strange in a “publiclly accountable democracy”.

      • Geri says:

        Aye, yer right, Sven.

        They’d only turn up, eat all the doughnuts & then declare everything was just fine & dandy. Nothing suspicious at all.

        Greenock was the other count btw, just for reference.

        link to bbc.co.uk

  44. TURABDIN says:

    PLEASE DO NOT DISDAIN «AI», the algorithm is a reflexion of its creator..RIRO.
    the Brits need to AI their voting system. the current one, like so much else is so 19th century.
    YAWN! whatever the result.

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  45. sarah says:

    There’s no understanding folk. Shetland has gone SNP. Groan.

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  46. lothianlad says:

    Anyone know roughly when the full results will be known?

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    • sarah says:

      7.00 p.m. tonight, per Election Maps UK, but I think the Rev said it might be Saturday.

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  47. Northcode says:

    What really, really, really pisses me off more than anything else in all of God’s creation is stupidity, followed closely by the inability of folk to see the humour in almost every activity we stupid humans indulge in under our laughing Sun.

    Stupidity is the single greatest source of all humanity’s problems.

    Stupidity is evil. Stupidity is sin.

    The words “stupid” and “Satan” both start with the same letter… which is irrefutable proof that stupid is evil.

    This stupid Piss-Take-Parliament election is thick with the stench of stupid, as are the stupid comments posted here by stupid colonialists who think they’re being witty or smart or both – they aren’t, they’re just being stupid.

    Colonialist comments aren’t even interesting or entertaining… they’re just thoroughly stupid.

    This imperial stage show – now in its final act – ridiculously called an election is stupidity incarnate.

    It is pointlessness writ large across the Scottish landscape.

    IT IS OBVIOUSLY A FUCKING SCAM!

    Scotland is a colony and the Scots a coloniZed people.

    THE INDIGENOUS SCOTS HAVE NO DEMOCRATIC VOICE!

    If we’re lucky we might get a haunfu of ATLS MSPs to mess with Holyrood a bit, and hopefully highlight the utter futility of its existence in coloniZed Scotland, but that’s about it.

    Until the Scots wake up and start demanding their liberation from imperial English oppression things are only going to get worse for the bonnie Scots in bonnie Scotlandshire… a hell of a lot worse.

    Then again, perhaps things need to get really bad for indigenous Scots before they wake up and see the truth of their existential predicament… maybe then they’ll start thinking about what they’re going to do to save themselves.

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    • Chas says:

      If there is one thing you are clearly an expert in it is stupidity. You demonstrate it umpteen times every day. How are the wee Mickey Mouse Independence Parties getting on in the election?

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      • Northcode says:

        I repeat; “Colonialist comments aren’t even interesting or entertaining… they’re just thoroughly stupid.”

    • Bobbyp says:

      ‘Until the scots wake up and start demanding their liberation from imperial english oppression’
      Sadly never going to happen, the jockholm syndrome is strong in them, wha’s like them indeed.

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  48. 100%Yes says:

    ATLS not doing very well.

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    • Campbell Clansman says:

      If the ATLS can’t make headway against the current corrupt, discredited SNP, then when will they?

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      • Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

        To be fair they were the seventh biggest party in terms of votes, which isn’t a terrible start when you’ve only existed a few months and have zero cash or media clout.

      • Aidan says:

        It is a pretty terrible start, this has been in the pipeline for a while and many of their candidates are serial “also-ran’s”. They shouldn’t have gone into the election with no money and no coverage, they had ample opportunity to fundraise and to get name recognition, which they didn’t take.

        7th place is also somewhat misleading, 7 onwards are all the tiny micro parties, the jump from 7 to 6 is about 10x. Even independent green voice, led by someone widely regarded as a holocaust denier, did better in the list.

      • Geri says:

        It wasn’t in the pipeline “for while” the decision to form an alliance & stand for election only happened eight weeks ago.

        Typical Yoon contortionist.

        They also didn’t have donors throwing them £22 million & a 20 year permanent tour gig on the BBC.

        Wind yer neck in.

      • Aidan says:

        Well the Facebook page for the Alliance to Liberate Scotland was produced in May 2025 so as usual Geri – you’re wrong.

      • Northcode says:

        The Alliance to Liberate Scotland ’emerged’ in 2025 as part of an effort to unite smaller pro?independence organisations under a shared electoral platform.

        It wasn’t until the 3rd of February 2026 that ATLS officially registered as a political party and became eligible to stand candidates in the 2026 Scottish Parliament election.

        7th place, a fact, in just eight weeks as a new political party isn’t bad at all.

      • Aidan says:

        That means they had a year to sort themselves out. I get there are loads of micro-parties and 0.8% of the vote on the list isn’t terrible as far as tiny parties go. However, you were promoting this party as the future, expecting to win MSP’s and really hold the SNP’s feet to the fire.

        Do you honestly think this week’s result has achieved that in any way?

      • Northcode says:

        “… expecting to win MSP’s”

        Wrong, I never once said I was expecting the Alliance to Liberate Scotland Party to win MSPs – my, how you colonialists like to twist the truth.

        Hoping against hope, perhaps, is a more accurate sentiment – I even described my hope of AtLS gaining a seat in Scotland’s rotten ‘Parliament’ as Panglossian in a previous post on another thread.

        “However, you were promoting this party as the future…”

        Yes, indeed. Especially in the development of AtLS as a future political ‘weapon’ in the independence movement’s decolonisation ‘arsenal’.

      • Hatey McHateface says:

        I must rush to Northy’s defence here.

        Of course Northy never expected the Alliance to Liberate Scotland Party to win any MSP seats at last week’s HR election.

        None of their election communications, written or verbal, were in Scots.

        Communicating entirely in English, as they were, Northy could clearly see that no true Scot could ever vote for them.

  49. Northcode says:

    It’s way too early to say for sure, but it’s already looking like the main winners in Scotland’s Piss-Take-Parliament Democracy for Dummies Competition are, you’ve guessed it, Thick Cunts.

    As usual, the hard done by and ignored indigenous Scots are the main losers.

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  50. Iain mhor says:

    A lot of wailing about ‘illegals’, or asylum seekers having the right to vote, but very little made of Non-Dom UK Expats voting – though that cadre is only obliquely relevant to current elections.

    There was a 15yr expiry rule on that right, although around 4 years ago there was a Bill to extend it to ‘votes for life’ – The Election Act 2022.

    I was interested in this way back in 2011, and in brief, the Tories were trying to get the numbers actually voting up to the 100,000 mark from around only 30,000 who were exercising their right to vote in UK elections.

    The Tories were having a bit of bother getting the numbers up, as many of these ‘expats’ were more Euro-centric in their politics and that didn’t necessarily gel with UK political party manifestos.

    The 2011 census tended to suggest there were in the region of 900,000 UK citizens of eligible voting age who were long term resident in the EU alone, but only a fraction were registered as UK voters.

    As of 2017 there were around 280,000 actual registered Non-Dom voters Worldwide (far less than the potential 900K in the EU alone) I have no figure for those who actually exercised the right to vote, but I doubt the figures have altered drastically from a relatively paltry 30,000 in the intervening decades – you never know though, the world and ‘meeja’ is a different place nowadays.

    Of course, one might also ask why it was specifically changed to ‘For Life’ in 2022 was it to increase the voting pool because there was an active increase in targetting them?

    The ‘Non-Dom’ voting right is only for UK Parliamentary Elections however, and does not apply to the Devolved Parliaments and Local Elections… yet.

    I did have a lot of interesting stuff collated at the time, but they are mostly dead links now, and I can’t be arsed updating them.

    Not particularly relevant to the current elections, but if anyone wants ballot stuffing conspiracies and ‘unfair voters’ they may want to have a closer look there.

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  51. Bobbyp says:

    ‘Until the scots wake up and start demanding their liberation from imperial english oppression’
    Sadly never going to happen, the jockholm syndrome is strong in them, wha’s like them indeed.

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    • Campbell Clansman says:

      Did you ever stop to consider that maybe, just maybe, most Scots don’t share your belief that they’re “oppressed” by the “Imperial English?”
      If (as some here believe) the ATLS is the only “true independence” party, then this election is showing miniscule support for what you term “true independence.”

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  52. agentx says:

    Lorna Bloody Slater won constituency seat!

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    • GM says:

      Grim.Quite a few absolute fuckwits held their seats too. That bam up in Buchan. FFS, the unionists are clearly fake unionists just like the SNP are fake feckin nationalists. Slitting each others throats to let muppets like Gethins and The Bam sneak home. There was a time I would have been delighted but the punters are running out of otpions so vote against something or vote for something shite that is considered less shite than the rest. The turnout was a bit higher than I thought it would be as well

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  53. Confused says:

    fucking liz lloyd holding forth on the telly doing the punditry

    – I would put my foot through the screen if it wasn’t an 80inch bravia

    lorna slater winning ed central is a bit of a doozy – I mean – she’s a fucking foreigner, no business here, looks totally batshit in every public statement, is provably incompetent …

    – now, talking of stupidity, it is likely due to the uni and other professional people, central edinburgh has one of the highest average IQs in Scotland

    but they vote in this fucking batshit loony, extremely silly woman

    eh?

    I think it was chomsky who pointed out that the “college educated” were MORE subsceptible to propaganda and other forms of brainwashed bullshit; so you go to uni for 5 years and end up with a masters in “genderqueer” studies – it’s a bit like joining a cult, but you never notice it, because everyone else is in the cult

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  54. Insider says:

    Shockingly bad result for Craig Murray !
    Only 150 votes !

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    • Captain Caveman says:

      At least 50 more than I thought he’d get tbh.

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  55. 100%Yes says:

    Reform has saved the SNP from defeat, so John Swinney hasn’t won the election and we now know they will not get a majority. The SNP is on borrowed time, their cure vote down a futher 13%.

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  56. Socrates MacSporran says:

    Elegant use of the stiletto there by Ms Cherry – discussing why Angus Robertson got his erse handed to him on a plate.

    Soft-voiced, under-stated, she didn’t miss him and hit the wall.

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  57. Confused says:

    It looks like the revolutionary forces of the Student-Grant-Millie-Tant-Faction have won it for Lorna Slater. Along with the Waitrose-Liberals and their luxury beliefs.

    – I used to have a lot of time for environmentalism; I mean, unrestricted capitalism makes a real fucking mess, no?! But the greens – and it applies everywhere – have just turned into this jim jones world death cult. If you look seriously at what they would do – well, hydrocarbons are bad, and so is diesel and fertiliser and pesticides and high yield crop strains … this means a mass “back to the land” pre-industrial society. How does that work out?

    There is precedent – Pol Pot and his Year Zero.

    Kinda ironic, since one thing PP knew how to do was – how to deal with fucking students, and landlords (at least we would get some land reform out of it); the spectacle wearers treatment was excessive, I admit. And he also had a sense of humour, the lad – for he couldn’t stand western bourgeois leftists either; there was this scottish marxist who went over to cambodia to express his support for the revolution, and PP had him shot, almost immediately.

    I think PP said something along the lines of : bad people cause problems, so – kill bad people – NO PROBLEM

    I would print that on a t-shirt.

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  58. Northcode says:

    Lorna Slater is the last straw in a long series of last straws.

    I have abandoned the Scots… they are too dim-witted and feeble to be worthy of my attention or my support.

    I no longer favour them such is my disappointment in the paucity of their weak ambition to pursue their own freedom.

    And so, I will return to that place from which I hail; I will return to that which is most familiar to me; I will return to my Pictish roots.

    Pass on by, stranger, for whether you are known as Scot or Inglis… these words are not meant for the likes of you.

    It is to my fellow Picts I now speak, who should heed my sage words of encouragement thus…

    Patience, my friends, is a fruit of the spirit and a mark of love.

    Patience restrains despair in hardship; braces courage through endurance; builds relationships through empathy; opens the gates to wisdom by staying the hand of impulsiveness; and sustains distant goals through perseverance.

    Patience bolsters the moral life which we Picts, now more than ever, must adhere to.

    Today we will witness the gloating of those who believe we Picts – mistakenly viewed as weak-minded and pathetic Scots – should be held in servitude to an evil overlord until we are extinguished as a people; extinguished and forgotten by the world of men.

    For a thousand years we have hidden in the shadow of the cursed Scotti.

    For a thousand years we have suffered the indignity of being called Scots.

    And for a thousand years we have endured.

    Endured in silence awaiting the moment we might reveal ourselves to the peoples of this Earth once more… naked, and decorated in abstract patterns of Periwinkle, Arctic (my favourite), or Celeste blue.

    AI generated test results:

    92% very likely AI

    The passage uses highly elaborate, inflated rhetoric with repeated parallel structures and dramatic cadence, which feels stylized rather than naturally spontaneous.

    There is heavy repetition of phrases like “I will return,” “for a thousand years,” and “extinguished,” giving it a composed, rhetorical quality.

    The tone shifts into grand moral exhortation and mythic identity language in a way that reads deliberately theatrical and overconstructed.

    Some phrasing is awkward or oddly specific, such as “Patience, my friends, is a fruit of the spirit” and the color parenthetical, which adds to the artificial feel.

    The overall coherence is strong but unusually polished and performative, with a sermon-like rhythm that is common in AI-generated or heavily generated text.

    I can assure anyone who gives a damn that I generated every word myself and without the assistance of an AI.

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  59. agentx says:

    It’s going to be interesting how the list vote works out.

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  60. Frank Gillougley says:

    Time mibbes to roll out my favourite MacDiarmid quote and park it on a Scottish lawn. ‘All is dead here, save stupidity.’

    FFS Lorna Slater. I don’t remember her taking ANY personal responsibilty over the epic bottle deposit scheme fiasco. I just happened to catch her pontificating the other day about msps taking responsibility for their actions etc. But at least with the Greens it might be possible to get to hell a lot quicker rather than dragging that process out interminably.

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    • Geri says:

      At least we’re not alone on the stupid.

      Labour guy on telly says it’s Starmer the voters don’t like. Nah, it’s the whole party.

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    • Dan says:

      Time to look out that Airplane clip!
      Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit…

      link to youtube.com

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  61. agentx says:

    SNP lost 4 constituency seat so far – how important will the SNP 1 +2 vote be?

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  62. Izzie says:

    Well it looks like we (SNP) have won. But Im not hete to gloat all ypu doom merchants. I am concerned if there is any back tracking on pushing for INDY REF 2 that ad far as I am concetened is it. I have been a member since 1969.

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    • Bilbo says:

      Firstly, nobody on this forum said that SNP wasn’t going to win the most seats.

      Secondly, your comment about SNP winning says it all. All that SNP supporters are interested in is the SNP staying in power and nothing to do with the independence movement as a whole or taking independence forward.

      Another top spot for Slater and other geniuses from her party in the next SNP led government?

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      • 100%Yes says:

        If he/she been a member since 1969 I only have one thing to say “haven’t you learnt any thing since then”.

    • 100%Yes says:

      For starters check your spelling before posting, fool. The SNP hasn’t win your party stated it would need a majority to deliver Independence so in that regard they have failed.

      The SNP now needs to beg the greens or the lib-dems to help them retain power but at what cost.

      If it wasn’t for Reform taken Labour and Tory votes the SNP would have lost a lot more seat, their vote was down by 20% since 2021 and today the SNP vote is down again are we witness the last Holyrood election the SNP will ever win.

      The SNP doesn’t have a mandate for a referendum the party’s manifesto clearly states ” A vote for the SNP is a vote for a referendum on independence. Based on the 2011 precedent, an SNP majority at this election is a mandate for
      the transfer of powers to the Scottish Parliament to enable an independence referendum to be held. Your first SNP vote at this election will deliver
      an SNP Government. Your second SNP vote delivers independence.

      JS independence plan has killed Independence for the next 10yrs at leased and you say “Well it looks like we (SNP) have won.” won what?

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    • robertkknight says:

      “Izzie says:
      8 May, 2026 at 5:43 pm
      Well it looks like we (SNP) have won. But Im not hete to gloat all ypu doom merchants. I am concerned if there is any back tracking on pushing for INDY REF 2 that ad far as I am concetened is it. I have been a member since 1969.”

      As the saying goes… “You can’t fix stupid”.

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  63. Bilbo says:

    The only consolation about yesterdays election is that Labour is fecked in both Scotland, England and Wales.

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  64. Bilbo says:

    The Long march through the institutions and the end result is Lorna Slater getting elected 🙂

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  65. Izzie says:

    Bilbo. Im only interested in an independent Scotland and have been since Winnie Ewing won the Hamilton by election. I dont care who leads the SNP or who they have to deal with. Indy is the goal and I hope all those on this site disding the SNP will come back.

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  66. 100%Yes says:

    Throughout the whole day, presenters on BBC have been stating if the SNP win big on the constituency they don’t win any seats on the regional seat.

    I hope Gingerdug and Kelly’s eye are proud of themselves for advocating two votes SNP.

    Everyone was mocking the SNP manifesto on Independence which stated “A vote for the SNP is a vote for a referendum on independence. Based on the 2011 precedent, an SNP majority at this election is a mandate for the transfer of powers to the Scottish Parliament to enable an independence referendum to be held.

    Your second SNP vote delivers independence.

    Have we just witnessed the last holyrood election the SNP will ever win?

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  67. 100%Yes says:

    The Tory leader was saying reform should have just fielded candidates in the regional and Labour and Tory in the constituency and they would have won the election and stopped the SNP. I do believe the Unionist party’s are now going to work together to win the election in 2031.

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  68. Alf Baird says:

    So, the Scottish people have elected (another) pro-independence majority.

    In any other colony that meant decolonization, i.e. independence.

    Today we should be celebrating our national liberation, and the end of more than three centuries of colonial oppression.

    But somehow A dinna see Swinney & Greer as oor naitional leeberators.

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    • Campbell Clansman says:

      The Scottish people voted AGAINST Indy parties.
      Even if you count SNP as Indy (which many here don’t), the vote was only about 40% for Indy parties.
      We’ve had a prebescite election–and the people voted AGAINST Indy.

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  69. diabloandco says:

    I was interested in turnout figures but can’t seem to find them – anyone?

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  70. Geri says:

    “Two trans MSPs elected to Holyrood”

    Aye, give us everything why don’t you?

    Iris Duane becomes the second openly trans MSP ever elected to Holyrood, after Q Manivannan was elected on the Edinburgh regional list earlier.

    Duane was elected on the Glasgow regional list, and both of the new MSPs come from the Scottish Green Party.

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    • Lorncal says:

      Every silver lining has a cloud, Geri, and the Greens’ cloud – hopefully as black as the Earl of Hell’s waistcoat – could be our two ‘trans’ who, because they are men, and a lot of men, but especially this kind, do not take kindly to being told what to do by womb havers, so Tranadian Lorna and ruthless Zimbabwean Maggie might just find their hegemony challenged. When push comes to shove these two ultra ambitious handmaidens will remember who is female and who is male, and those two ‘gorgeous girlies’ had best keep their giblets well protected or they could end up in the gravy.

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      • Geri says:

        It gets worse Lorna…

        Allegedly, one has a crowd funder cause they don’t have a work visa (WTF?) & the other one is from Bradford to be MSP for Glasgow.

        Words fail. If true, how on earth was the one with no work visa allowed to stand for election which is expecting you to actually work?

        It won’t take the BBC long to scan Holyrood for the 6 o’clock news intro every night. I predict a lot of TikTok style meltdowns coming soon. The Ladies loos will be awkward.

        I dunno whether to laugh or cry at such an array of misfits & fuckwits that’s just been elected to govern Scotland.

    • Young Lochinvar says:

      Geri
      Strangely fitting..

      The “gayest wee Parliament” in the world will transition to be the “queerest wee Parliament in the world”..

      Talking of; where is Hatey today?

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  71. SilentMajority says:

    What an absolute shower of embarrassments we now have ‘in power’…

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  72. red sunset says:

    A good number of constituencies below 50% turnout, typical seems to be around 55% turnout

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    • Big Jock says:

      I don’t think any of us can take another 5 years of this sand dancing. It is like trying to fill a bucket with a hole in the bottom. No matter how long you try, you always end up with nothing.

      Scotland has elected the Toom Tabard. Appropriately named John.

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  73. Geri says:

    SNP wasted regional votes in my area around 88,000. Seats 0

    Reform – around 59,000. Seats 3.

    #@#@#

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    • Lorncal says:

      I know. It’s the same everywhere. It will be around three-quarters to a million votes lost to Unionists and the Green ground zero totalitarians. At least, Reform UK will challenge the delusionists. Laughable and ironical: the Scottish ‘nationalist’ party will be challenged by the English nationalist party, and you know what? They’ll not see the implications.

      Two ‘gorgeous’ gussets in frocks and heels will make their debut, too, so, with the Greens on a winner, expect a return to the GRRB, backed by the SNP. Honest John will want to distract from his promise of another referendum and females are the perfect sacrifice – the real ones, that is, not the pretendy ones. Expect lots of cosying up to the gussets. This lot wouldn’t know what independence was if it bit them in the nethers. Never did. Total joke. There are NO independence parties at Holyrood. NONE. Except Reform UK, of course.

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  74. James Che says:

    I will say goodby to everyone on wings over Scotland, and to Rev Stu for many years providing information, stats, photographs and a different slant on politics in Scotland and thank one and all independence supporters and unionists alike, along with the debates and discussions.

    Its time now to call quits and retire from the mayhem of politics,
    I wish everyone all my best wishes for the future,

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    • Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh says:

      Beannachd leat, a Sheumais. Piseach ort! (Blessings/ Good-bye, James. All the best!)

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    • GM says:

      All the best James.

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    • Sven says:

      Vaya con Dios amiga “James”.

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    • Chas says:

      About time.

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  75. sarah says:

    This is now officially the worst set of MSPs we have been cursed with. Is there a single one with intelligence, principle, drive?

    Will this set of well-paid individuals do anything to help solve Scotland’s many problems?

    I can’t see women and children being protected when there are two more sexually obsessed MSPs.

    Nor will we see COPFS or the judiciary charged with their numerous failures in respect of Alex Salmond’s perjured witnesses.

    The thought of seeing smug Swinney and the rest of them for the next 5 years make an even greater mess is unbearable.

    What on earth can we do to stop them?

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    • GM says:

      A court case might stir things up a bit. I suspect Scotland (does it still exist at Holyrood?) is too corrupt now for it.

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    • Cynicus says:

      sarah says:
      8 May, 2026 at 10:22 pm

      “This is now officially the worst set of MSPs we have been cursed with. Is there a single one with intelligence, principle, drive? “
      ========

      Possibly the unheralded winner of the Shetland constituency, Hannah Goodlad?

      She seems to be someone who is both rooted in the community and an achiever outside politics. She has also worked for Norway’s Equinor, which is the sort of company an independent Scotland might have had managing its oil assets.

      If so, she is s solitary gem among a mountain of dross.

      But cheer up: Angus Robertson has gone!

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    • Young Lochinvar says:

      Sarah

      But, but..

      Anne Thewliss burst into tears!

      Again..

      And anyway, back in the day they used to say the fairer sex were like monkeys swinging through the trees; they made sure (in relationship breakups) to have got a really good hold of the next branch before before relinquishing grip of the first..

      And then there’s Stephen Flynn!!! 🙂

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  76. Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh says:

    EX-GOVERNOR: ‘STOP HOUSING MEN IN SCOTLAND’S PRISONS FOR WOMEN’

    All men who identify as women should be immediately removed from women’s jails in Scotland, a former prison governor has said.

    Rhona Hotchkiss highlighted the case of Alan Baker — now known as Alexandra Stewart — who is housed on the women’s wing at HMP Greenock. Although he did not have a history of violence against women, he has now been charged with sexual assault against a female inmate.

    Since February 2024, in accordance with Scottish Prison Service (SPS) guidance, men who hold a Gender Recognition Certificate have been eligible for admission or transfer to a women’s prison if they do not have a record of “violence against a female”.

    SAFEGUARDING FAILURE

    Hotchkiss, Governor of Cornton Vale in Stirling until 2017, said: “Stewart had not committed crimes of violence against women so he’d be ‘eligible’ under SPS policy, to be in the female estate.

    “He was regarded by some staff as a good example of why a blanket ban on trans males in the women’s estate would be unnecessary and cruel. That reasoning and the exceptions built into the SPS policy should be deleted today.”

    The SPS responded: “We are committed to upholding the rights, safety and well-being of all people living and working in our establishments. It wouldn’t be appropriate to comment further.”

    LEGAL CHALLENGE

    For Women Scotland (FWS) is currently challenging the Scottish Government’s approach to housing prisoners who identify as members of the opposite sex.

    Representing the gender-critical campaign group, Aidan O’Neill KC told the Court of Session in February that the current policy is rooted in an “ideological position”, which runs counter to the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex.

    He defended FWS’s legal position as “entirely straightforward”, stating that Ministers “are statutorily obliged to provide women-only prison accommodation, which is separate and distinct from that provided for male prisoners”.

    Last April, the UK’s highest court ruled in favour of FWS’s challenge to Scottish Government guidance that allowed men to take women-only positions on company boards. Justices said that the terms ‘woman’, ‘man’ and ‘sex’ in the Equality Act 2010 refer to biological sex.

    (The Christian Institute, 8 May 2026)

    link to christian.org.uk

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    • GM says:

      I hope the lady takes the Scot gov. to the cleaners. It is the only thing that will shift them, government ministers should be held responsible in a court, personally, for causing that crime.

      Reply
  77. L.U.T.B says:

    Christ on a bike!
    Is no-one else annoyed and embarrassed that 26 hrs after the polls closed the final results still haven’t been declared!

    Reply
    • GM says:

      What do you make of it?

      Reply
      • Geri says:

        Can they not count?

        Why do they always have issues? According to X reporter – there were four counts at the last election as well.

        All very suspicious…

    • Cynicus says:

      Final results for Highlands and Islands:

      Vic Currie (Reform)
      Ariane Burgess (Scottish Greens)
      Tim Eagle (Conservative)
      Max Barrowman (Reform)
      Morven-May MacCallum (LibDem)
      Christopher Leask (Greens)
      Maree Todd (SNP)

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  78. Young Lochinvar says:

    Oh well..

    Hey ho!

    That’s that then for some more years..

    “Honest” John has got what he “really” wanted all along and his love child Beaker Queer’s lot are on the up. Are there really that many faggats around?

    Jeez!

    There isn’t really anything positive to say about this other than the Tories got stuffed and Anas started crying very early on..

    Abolish D’Hondt!

    Anyone in England care to clarify if this has been foisted on them in any elections at all?
    Interested to know.

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  79. Cynicus says:

    “ Is no-one else annoyed and embarrassed that 26 hrs after the polls closed the final results still haven’t been declared!”
    ===========
    Who is overseeing it at the national level?
    Is it Mr H ero of the one year late 2021 referendum, AKAir Miles Angus, now an out-of-work MSP?

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  80. Confused says:

    I see some foreign p00f on a student visa has gotten elected to the Scots parliament; I wonder how he will deal with potholes in portobello … no, I don’t really. Holyrood needs more bentshots, I mean, since Linden is in jail, who else is there to break in all the young lads … come here boy, let’s explore our sexualities, secret tickle games and find the sausage …

    I see ATLS got about 15000 votes, just under 1.0% (on the figures I can see so far); this is not actually bad, for a first time out. Remember “reform” have essentially infinity money, friends in low places, including the BBC and their whole operation has its origins going back to the 1990s, and had to be constantly adjusted to its task; to win popular support as being “of the people”, yet really being a kind of “bankers uber alles” party, whose purpose is to gut the remaining public services of this country, so the fatcats can boost their bonuses. The people who fund reform – crypto billionaires – are typically followers of ayn rand, who see themselves as “john galts” holding up the sky … the real john galts are holding it all together on 13pph, ya cunts …

    – ATLS has, essentially, fuckall money and no friends with resources; at least 15K Scots are clued in that – the SNP aren’t interested in indy and we need another approach. In life, nothing happens for ages, then it changes fast, abruptly. Reading about the cuban revolution, at one point it consisted of 7 men, with 6 guns, on the top of a hill, surrounded by govt troops … and yet … get used to being outnumbered, in enemy territory, surrounded.

    A lot of middle class fake nat/ bourgeois leftists are crowing about ATLS, but I remember not so long ago what happened to their pet project, RISE, which they obsessively supported; this was a premature attempt to get “full on woke pish identity politics” to the voters … they got humiliated. Whenever it was suggested “they were -too- radical” the kneejerk response was “we weren’t radical enough”.

    – we can see the fruits of what they did; they dispersed and joined other parties, mainly the SNP, but for full on absolute mentalist batshittery, the merde de la merde, joined the greens; its all about trannies now, all the crusty old buggers going on about newts and native pine forests, out.

    The most interesting question left is : the new tranny MSPs

    – WHAT TOILETS ARE THEY GOING TO USE?

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    • Young Lochinvar says:

      Maybe they’ll be in the “powder”room with Jackie Baillie or some bleeding heart liberals!

      Ooh err!

      Wonder how their woke credentials will hold up then?

      Just sayin’..

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    • GM says:

      Interesting question. We’ll see how the Holyrood ladies deal with it.

      Reply
    • Geri says:

      I hope Cowardly John draws the short straw & has to inform them it’s the LAW that they use the Mens.

      To feel safe, Cole Hamilton can accompany them & hold their hand.

      It could be worse. We could’ve elected someone who wears adult nappies & needs winded every 4 hours FFS.

      Okay, hold that thought cause I can’t be sure we haven’t!

      Whit a car crash…

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  81. Hatey McHateface says:

    The arrival of Q Manivannan to shake up our HR politics will surely be a magnificent opportunity for Reform to shake things up even more.

    They will need to find a candidate called W Vanimannan for optimum effectiveness.

    Or use a deed poll. A deed poll would work.

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