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The Silence Of The Sacrificial Lambs

Posted on February 07, 2022 by

Should disabled children be used as props to make men with sexual fetishes feel better? It doesn’t seem like a difficult question, does it?

“At no point, while I was coming to terms with how my [severely disabled] daughter’s future was set to unfold, did I expect to find myself in a position where I would be forced to remind my elected representatives about something as basic as my vulnerable daughter’s need for same-sex care.

Anxieties about her having to endure acts of negligence, or maybe even cruelty, at the hands of an unprofessional person, once I am gone, have haunted some of my sleepless nights. However, I have been consoled with the knowledge that regulations and safeguarding policies would be in place to offer her protection from bad actors.

But what happens when somewhere along the line the differences between the sexes become artificially blurred, and the safeguarding that was in place can no longer be relied upon because of proposed reforms to current law?”

The above quote is part of the heartfelt plea of a mother of a disabled daughter. We know that women and girls are vulnerable to male sexual violence, we know that men commit 98% of sex offences and we know that disabled children are three to four times more likely to experience abuse.

We just don’t seem to care.

The United Nations Population Fund has highlighted how “in a study by the African Child Policy Forum of violence against children with disabilities, nearly every young person interviewed had been sexually abused at least once – and most more than once”.

Once they reach adulthood, the statistics according to research by DAME Magazine are terrifying:

“Eighty-three percent of disabled women experience rape or abuse, often at the hands of caretakers. And without a way to report their violations, the [perpetrators] frequently go unpunished.”

The magazine’s Victoria Brownworth argued that (in the US) “77% of rapes and sexual assaults were not reported to police. The enormity of that number suggests that within the context of disability, where so many victims may not even have access to language, or where the person they would report to is the same person perpetuating the assaults (and on whom they depend for their most basic care), the number may be perilously close to 100 percent.”

Alongside the significant risk of sexual violence, we know that girls and women experience an indignity and a trauma when they are forced to allow a male to undress them and touch their vulva, breasts or anus when they do not consent and do not want this touch. Sex is important.

Having become disabled as a teenager myself, it can feel like society has sentenced you to suffer at the hands of men. The figures and the possibilities of your future are stark. People look away at the obvious risks, they deny that you too need dignity, they claim “not all men”.

And while it isn’t all men, it’s also not just seven bad ones – they wouldn’t have the time to abuse all of these children and women.

‘In Ireland, a report analysing data from 14 rape crisis centres shows that almost half of the surveyed survivors with disabilities disclosed that they were subjected to sexual violence during childhood (48%), while one in ten disclosed that they were subjected to sexual violence both as adults and as children (10%).

Individuals with disabilities who use rape crisis centre services are more likely to have been subjected to multiple incidents of sexual violence than those with no disabilities (39% compared with 25%).”

Although it’s difficult to obtain data on disabled children as previously it hasn’t been seen as important enough to collect, the data which is emerging is showing a similar pattern across nations. Very vulnerable children and adults, particularly those who struggle to communicate, are seen as targets by predators. These predatory males will use careers where they can have access to these vulnerable children in order to abuse.

For example, evidence was given to the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry that a potential sex offender was being employed and moved around children’s homes, including a home for disabled children.

“Mr Dolan, former assistant area manager for the Glasgow South social work team, told the hearing in Edinburgh: “a man, who I don’t want to name, worked as a residential care worker for the local authority. He is now a convicted sex offender.”

Staff were expressing concerns about him and it seems that he got moved from a children’s home to a home for children with disabilities in the Pollokshields area and they were concerned how he had managed to get this. I am aware that this individual seemed to be very close to one of the most senior managers for the residential establishment”.

Frequently men will move into positions where they can have access to their targets. In May 2021 Dorrion Etienne was imprisoned for targeting and sexually abusing two learning-disabled girls at their school.

In August 2021 a former deputy headmaster and a head of care at a special needs school in Lincolnshire who raped and assaulted girl pupils over the course of 12 years were jailed for more than 23 years.

In November 2021 Robin James Elms was convicted and sentenced after he “targeted a child with special needs during a campaign of abuse in private homes where he worked as a freelance nanny and babysitter. He picked on children he thought were too young to speak up or who had learning difficulties and autism, grooming entire families in order to commit his abuse”.

Also in November 2021 it was reported that George Holden, “a former Derbyshire teacher and professional clown expects to die behind bars after being jailed for abusing young children. The court heard his previous convictions included sexually abusing blind and disabled children while working as a teacher at a special school”.

In December 2021 Brian Rudgley, an 83-year-old retired head teacher with years of experience working with children with special educational needs was imprisoned for sexually abusing a learning-disabled girl.

We have seen this pattern in institutions like sports clubs, charities and the Church to name just a few. Predators will move to where they can get to their prey. Yet still, politicians are behaving like such behaviour is beyond the realms of possibility. I am sick of them playing dumb and putting the wellbeing of the disabled at risk.

Indeed, it is once again being proposed by politicians that male feelings and male egos need to be prioritised and protected by law above the needs of the vulnerable, and those who too frequently experience sexual abuse at the hands of males. We are not even allowed to name the pattern – male sexual violence – in case it offends men.

Language had been changed to obscure reality. Parent P, who wished to remain anonymous, pointed out that “lots of people won’t think twice about a form only asking about gender, not sex too and also think these terms are interchangeable. The erosion and hijacking of our rights is so insidious”.

When it’s a form deciding what adult will be touching your child’s genitals, the difference between sex and gender identity is put in much sharper relief. Same-sex care is the most basic of safeguards and provides dignity, we should be able to choose it for ourselves and our relatives.

However, it commonly appears that NHS policies have been written according to Stonewall’s version of the law rather than the Equality Act 2010. NHS Lanarkshire’s “Supporting Trans Staff in the Workplace” dictates that employees:

“ensure Trans staff are treated as being of the gender in which they are living irrespective of whether they have undergone any hormonal or surgical treatment or have a Gender Recognition Certificate. It is unacceptable for colleagues and managers to refuse to recognise, for any period of time, a member of staff as belonging to the gender in which they are currently living.”

Translated, a cross-dressing man who gets aroused in women’s clothes is to be treated as a woman, and this includes allowing him access to disabled girls’ naked bodies.

The Equality Act 2010 makes it acceptable to discriminate on the basis of sex if there is a legitimate aim – this is known as a General Occupational Qualification (GOQ). If women and girls are to be naked it was widely accepted, before Stonewall poisoned the well, that a GOQ would automatically apply.

NHS Lanarkshire has pre-empted challenge on this point and commanded staff that male feelings come above the law in this regard. It declares that:

“the Equality Act 2010 provides limited exemptions for GOQ positions to restrict access to members of a particular gender [wrong, read “sex”]. These exemptions can only be applied in order to achieve a legitimate operational need.

All efforts should be made to enable Trans employees to work in positions, including those covered by General Occupational Qualifications, consistent with the gender with which they identify.

Where a person has a gender recognition certificate they must be regarded as being that gender for the purposes of GOQ positions. As the gender history of an employee is a matter of strictest confidentiality, this information should never be shared with service users.”

This secret-keeping about (mostly) males’ true sex, identity, and past means the scenario could arise that parents place their severely disabled non-verbal teenage daughter in a short respite care, thinking she will receive intimate care and be attended to at night by a woman, when in reality a man who gets aroused by cross-dressing has put on women’s clothes and is repeatedly washing the girl’s vulva.

Is that sexual abuse? The young girl will feel violated, will feel abused, will be traumatised. The parents will feel lied to, and wonder if they can ever trust the care of their daughter to Lanarkshire NHS again.

Allan Petrie, the chairperson of Glenlaw Parent/Carer Support Group, has written to Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government to raise parental concerns around the care of their disabled children, noting that “trans” is now an umbrella term encompassing all manner of groups including drag queens, crossdressers and “midlings”, whatever those might be.

(Googling produces nothing useful.)

It’s also argued within the LGB/T/Q/+ community that a range of extreme (and even illegal) sexual practices grouped under the term “kink” belong under the trans/LGBTQ+ “umbrella”.

The Q in LGBTQ+ (the official preferred term of people like the Scottish Greens) already stands for Queer, a term which organisations like Stonewall are very shy about defining in any meaningful way but appears to implicitly embrace “kink”, as being outwith “perceived norms” and “specific labels”.

Or put another way, it means whatever you want it to mean. Christina Richards – a transwoman who is Lead Psychologist and Head of Psychology at the UK’s foremost “gender identity clinic”, the Tavistock in London – has called for many extreme and violent sexual practices to be normalised and no longer classified as paraphilias – conditions “characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities”.

(One such practice is “ageplay”, which Richards describes as “an adult identifying as a baby or young child, and is also known as adult baby/diaper lover (ABDL) or infantilism. There may be a sexual aspect… associated with humiliation”, while denying it has any link to paedophilia.)

Mr Petrie explained that to the minister:

“Our children are some of the most vulnerable children alive, they are non-mobile and non-verbal, they require 24 hour care including intimate care, as such we require to put our trust in professionals, at the moment we use the equality act to ensure that care is carried out by the same biological sex as our child, this is not just about safety but also our children’s dignity.

However if the Scottish government continue with this Act then ANY man can self-identify as a female be given a job within the care sector and if we refused to allow them to give our child intimate care on the bases of their biological sex then we could face prosecution under the proposed Hate Crime Bill.”

Research by NSPCC Learning together with Coventry University and the Ann Craft Trust presented the universalism of these parental anxieties around the care of their disabled children. One parent respondent described how

“We had respite at home and we installed cameras in the house for that reason, until they went. Nothing ever happened but it was just for me for those 2 hours while they were there. My son was so young, he still wouldn’t be able to explain. So I would check it every time that I would come home. Just so I knew he was safe.”

The research highlighted how “parents whose children had complex needs raised particular concerns regarding how incredibly difficult it was to teach their children about issues such as safe touch in their intimate care, puberty and changes in their bodies and about sexual abuse. Their greatest fears were that their child would not be able to communicate if they felt unsafe. One parent explained that her son used Makaton to communicate, yet there were no staff in his school that could use Makaton. As a result the child had no means of communicating with anyone”.

The sexual abuse of disabled children and young adults is so widespread that the NSPCC alongside the charity Triangle has developed a communication system for children to express abuse. Triangle highlighted that before their intervention, children who used symbol vocabulary to communicate could “communicate about the national curriculum but cannot say ‘leave me alone’.”

Due to the fact that disabled children did not have access to specific symbols which could communicate sexual abuse, safeguarding experts and investigators would sometimes have to hand draw images and thus accusations of coaching the child could be made. This added to non-verbal children being perceived as weak witnesses and subsequently cases not being prosecuted.

Consequently it increased the targeting of such children by perpetrators. Triangle has enabled disabled children and young people to get legal redress for crimes committed against them, by enabling disabled children to tell someone what’s being done to them. As part of developing the images, Triangle

“asked experienced interviewers about how young children and nonspeaking children have communicated about abuse. [They’ve] included images for a range of words that children use when they don’t know the ‘right’ word.

For children being interviewed using AAC, it may be more appropriate to offer them non-specific images rather than explicit ones which could be perceived as leading or coaching the child. For example, although the image set includes ‘erection’ and ‘ejaculation’, for young children it may be more appropriate that they have access to the images for ‘willy’, ‘hard’ and ‘squirt’.”

Yes, in our society we’ve had to develop a way for severely disabled children who may have mental ages of 6 to 8 to say “willy”, “hard” and “squirt”.

Once communication has been enabled the struggle to participate in the justice system doesn’t stop there. As well as access to communication, physical access to the courts is still a barrier as just 2% of UK courts are currently accessible to disabled people. This, frankly, is a denial of fundamental rights and what exclusion really looks like.

Alongside the obvious safeguarding issues and the need to maintain dignity for the disabled is the fact that a male carer would retraumatise disabled girls who have already been sexually abused by men. Ann West commented that “our disabled daughter was seriously sexually assaulted. We were assured she would always have women support staff especially as she needs assistance with all her personal care. Well I’m not remotely reassured, in fact I’m terrified for her future. This is so wrong on every level’.”

It is generally understood that women and girls who have been sexually assaulted and or raped by men find the presence of and touch of men re-traumatising, and this is no different if the women or girl has a disability. In fact it may be exaggerated because that man might be touching your vulva, breasts and other parts of your body. The statistics on abuse are stark – UNICEF estimates that children with disabilities are three to four times more likely to experience physical and sexual violence.

Why would a man want to do this? If he doesn’t care about the potential serious impact he will have on the disabled girl or woman, should he be in a caring position at all? Since when has it been acceptable to use disabled children as props to arouse men?

To most people it is astonishing that questioning a man touching your non-verbal disabled female child’s genitals could be a criminal offence, yet in Scotland it is about to become a hate crime.Why are politicians willing to re-traumatise potential abuse victims to fulfil men’s fantasies?

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Dr EM is a disabled, feminist writer and historian. She writes under a pen name due to threats to her safety and tweets as @PankhurstEM.

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    1. sarah says:

      This article should be sent to the FM and EVERY MP/MSP/Councillor/Council CEO.

      There is no excuse whatsoever for exposing anybody to abuse of any kind, let alone opening the door, literally, for wicked men to have access to disabled children and all females.

    2. ClanDonald says:

      The Scottish Government have their heads in the sand when it comes to paraphilias, it’s as if they don’t believe they even exist.

      It’s a well-established fact that there are men in our society who prey on disabled children. And disabled adults. And the elderly. And rape victims. Name any vulnerable group (people or animals) and there will be a study somewhere documenting men preying on them. There are even names for all these paraphilias in medical dictionaries. Professionals have been studying them for years.

      And these men will go to great lengths to access their prey (you only have to remember the paedophiles who trained for years to become priests in order to access children to know that this is true).

      But when devising their reforms to the Gender Recognition Act the Scottish Government are denying that predators could take advantage of the legislation to get near the objects of their perverted desires. “That will never happen” is what they say.

      At present it’s very difficult for perverts with fetishes for disabled children to access their prey, so why wouldn’t they pose as women to take jobs where they’ll care for them? Of course they will. The same goes for the pervs who want to molest your granny.

      Can you imaging it, big Dave with the old lady paraphilia coming into your granny’s nursing home going “Hello Mary, it’s me, Cindy, your carer, I’ve come to deliver your intimate car.”

      And they’ll have a gender recognition certificate, a passport and a birth certificate proving they’re a woman – you’ll have no way to ever prove they weren’t born that way. If you complain you’ll probably be charged with a hate crime – because, remember, the Scottish Government have already protected transvestities in their hate crime bill.

      And if this all seems far fetched, remember that the Scottish Government publicly approves of a male-born manager running a rape crisis centre. I’m sure Mrdiul is very nice but how do we know whether or not councillors or volunteers at rape crisis centre aren’t perverts with rape fetishes (these people exist) getting their sexual kicks out of being around rape victims? We don’t, of course we don’t. That’s why we need to keep ALL males out these places, regardless of how they identify.

    3. Jan Cowan says:

      Horrific but MUST be read by all sane men and women.

    4. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “it’s as if they don’t believe they even exist”

      It’s not AS IF they think that. They LITERALLY think EXACTLY that. Remember when Mhairi Black said autogynaephilia simply didn’t exist?

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/no-independence-day/

    5. Shauny Boy says:

      As the father of a disabled child, this sort of shit leaves me absolutely fuckin raging. When are our elected officials going to stop putting the feelings of degenerates before the safety and wellbeing of the most vulnerable in society?

    6. Robert Hughes says:

      This is utterly sickening – and enraging . That the fuckn * Identity *- obsessed morons in the SNP are – consciously or otherwise – are facilitating these obscenities is beyond belief .

      That the tone may be set by the Sturgeon Cabal ( we expect nothing less from that totally screwed-up quarter ) is neither here nor there : any member of that Party , the ones in office MSP, MPs or ordinary members are ALL equally complicit and their pathetic cowardice in remaining silent will be neither forgiven nor forgotten

    7. Westviews says:

      This made me cry. The thought of those vulnerable children being put under even more chance of being abused is despicable. Sturgeon, and the Green dwarf Harvie have a lot to answer for. I would love to take this article and ram it down their throats. If this legislation goes ahead then every child in the country could potentially be at risk. Taxpayers money should immediately cease to be given to Stonewall.

    8. Carol Cunningham says:

      I was a supporter worker for adults who have learning disabilities. It opened my eyes to the fact that disabled people are at the mercy of their carers and all they can do is pray that they’ll be kind and good. It’s disgusting that our government is taking away what little protection disabled people have.

    9. susanXX says:

      ClanDonald, Wadhwa is demonstrably NOT a nice person. He says rape victims who want same sex care are bigots who need to reframe their views and has a history of vexatious complaints against women.

    10. Astonished says:

      I am not given to swearing – but those utter cowards who are the SNP MPs, MSPs and councillors must respond to this.

      Where ARE the fucking mainstream media ? Why isn’t this front page news ? And headlining the TV news ? Cowards one and all.

      I had to stop reading – I am heart sorry for the parents of disabled children who will be very worried about this.

      They downfall of this McCarthyite lunacy cannot come soon enough.

    11. Athanasius says:

      What is the problem with recognizing that men are not women?

    12. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “What is the problem with recognizing that men are not women?”

      The great question of our time.

    13. ClanDonald says:


      “susanXX says:

      ClanDonald, Wadhwa is demonstrably NOT a nice person. He says rape victims who want same sex care are bigots who need to reframe their views and has a history of vexatious complaints against women.”

      Yes, that’s very true. What I was trying to say was that I wasn’t implying that he is a rape fetishist, because I have no idea if that is the case.

    14. James Che. says:

      Stu, this story in of its self is abomination.

      The larger picture is even more serious, for any female in charge, such as a guardian or parent.
      It extends to women’s rights being subdued in general.
      With this comes the mine field of legislation that Scotland is passing which prevents females from protecting their children. Female or Male.
      A large majority of parenting nowadays are single parents which by default are female .

      The links of abuse to all females starts with government perception,
      Or what the message the government wish to imbue into the public atmosphere

      It appears that the governments of Britain being devolved or not are degrading to women, and children.

      But in relation to your previous post regards pensions, this ties in the overall governments attitude in Britain towards females.

      It started with the abuse of stealing granny’s pensions without writing to them personally to inform them of the changes before it was to late.

      And most women tried fighting the corrupt system with very little finances or help from the male population,
      This was not just about pensions,
      This was placing a hiarchy of men pension rights above female rights with pensions, as most women had been lead to belief all their life’s by government if the contributed they would retire at 60,
      in a subtle diverting mindset from government regardless of women of middle age unable to find new employment at that age or have much savings due to raising families on a budgeted lower wage than men in the earlier years.
      The government stole those financial pension years for the treasury.

      This mindset of women being inferior in law rights has now filtered through to the next generations.
      Where women cannot afford lawyers when abused or raped, where men overseer rape crises. And women seldom report abuse to authorities due to the police and courts processes.

      The next generation of females are contending with the loss of safe spaces through government policies and new abusive legislation.

      Now our next generation of female children of all abilities and disabilities are being targeted with abusive legislation and laws.

      Sadly the public often stand by, it does not immediately affect them or their loved one at the time.
      Then when it is to late and it comes to their family door,
      There is no-one left to stand up for them.

      Britain is changing back to primitive state,
      To become a country where women and children are commodities for trade without a voice.

    15. Stuart MacKay says:

      I wonder if the liability of a government which introduced gender based equality, without the consent of the electorate, has ever been tested in court?

      Also, should any institution which provided a service which was understood to be sex-based but in reality was gender-based be required to state this clearly, possibly with written consent from people before they used the service?

      If there’s nothing to hide then why hide it?

    16. James Che. says:

      The next target will be young men, young and old.
      What was the famous quote.

      First they came for…………
      And I did nothing……….
      For I was not……..

      Then they came for……..
      And I did nothing………
      For I was not…….

    17. turnbuldrier says:

      “What is the problem with recognizing that men are not women?”

      I believe it will hurt the Feelz of the FM’s pals…

      …you’d think there was more to it, wouldn’t you?

      Mibbie there is, but I don’t see it.

    18. James Che. says:

      This must go against The European human rights which is part of the Scottish governance laws. Is it not?

    19. wullie says:

      Shauny Boy says:
      7 February, 2022 at 12:33 pm
      As the father of a disabled child, this sort of shit leaves me absolutely fuckin raging. When are our elected officials going to stop putting the feelings of degenerates before the safety and wellbeing of the most vulnerable in society?

      In my humble opinion.Probably, when we stop electing degenerate people into office. How else can it be do we know or hear of anyone in public office, any map,s of any party, objecting to the SNP,s policies.

    20. Kat says:

      All MSPs need to explain how they plan to protect women & girls/children, especially those who are disabled, from predators who will exploit any procedural changes put in place with no oversight or monitoring for bad actors.

      Who will be responsible for ensuring our public, private & third sector services are correctly implementing the provisions in the Equality Act to protect the rights of their service users.

      Can we expect the Scottish Government to take responsibility for any unintended consequences of making it easier for predatory men to access vulnerable adults and children? Or will we have to wait for another inquiry many years down the line after countless causalities have suffered because of a bad law.

      Every MSP and Minister needs to confirm to parliament how much is considered too much collateral damage when it comes to the safety of women and children in Scotland? 1? 10? 100s? 1,000s? How many are they willing to sacrifice to make it easier for predators to fly under the radar of safeguarding because they want to make it easier for a relatively small number of people to change their birth certificate?

      The disabled population is around 20% of the population. The trans community is estimated at 1%. Why are politicians willing to put the rights of a larger group, with complicated needs, aside for the needs of a much smaller group. Despite size both groups should be treated equally but the demand of one should not impact the needs of another. Rights need to be balanced and protected.

      As the EHRC said last week when they wrote to the Scottish Government about their planned reforms, more work needs to done to ensure fairness for all. Sadly the First Minister and her minions are not listening, they think they know better than a statutory body whose sole purpose is to ensure the Equality and Human Rights legislation of the UK is upheld and implemented correctly.

      If they aren’t careful their hubris will be their undoing and the cause of suffering that could so easily have been avoided.

    21. Daisy Walker says:

      When you have an issue that is so blatantly wicked, shockingly so, that even born and bred, died in the wool, true blue, No Voting Tories are going…. ‘now hold on a minute, that’s not right.’

      Then my god have you got it all the way wrong and then some.

    22. Ebok says:

      It is difficult to find words to make comment on such a disturbing article. We know of many, many cover-ups that have gone before, more so since the 1960’s and 70’s, but this is a whole new level of concern.

      There is something else that I find alarming though not covered in this article, and that is the incredible depths of clandestine organisation that must have taken place to reach this level of back-door power and influence.

      For these people, whose link is covered by neither wealth nor social status, to infiltrate so many institutions, and to display such adherence to a Code of Omertà is a breathtakingly shocking achievement. So, who are the key players? Who provides the funding? What is the goal?

      Clearly, many of our elected representatives support GRA and HCB and are pushing for further expansions of same.
      Yet no-one, not a single councillor, nor MSP, nor anyone elected to any office, has ever been elected on such a programme of ‘reform’.
      So, let them stand for re-election on that issue and see where it gets them. They won’t of course.

    23. Republicofscotland says:

      This SNP government are about to open a door to a world of hurt for many vulnerable people, they won’t listen to the Scottish public on it, so we must hit them where it hurts in the pocket and at the polls, it seems to me that’s only things that will make them take notice.

      Lets start the ball rolling at May’s elections by voting Alba instead of SNP or Green.

      Demos outside Holyrood might help, but then again we could find ourselves in court thanks to the SPCB.

    24. Republicofscotland says:

      Kat @1.56pm.

      Here Kat Paton of Sturgeon’s fanzine has a rant at the EHRC today, Paton says that there will be NO issues once the GRA is fully implemented, aye right.

    25. Kate says:

      I feel absolutely sick, my granddaughter who is aged 23yrs, but has the mind of child, she can’t talk or wash herself, she can’t do anything for herself, & she is in adult nappies and will be the rest of her life. She has the body of woman, periods and all, yet needs 24hour care. This has been a fear of ours that what could happen to her when her parents are no longer around.

      There a case where the the driver of the bus that took them to school, did do something to one of the children, but my son & his wife were told it did not involve their child..

      But to think that it is a WOMAN that is doing this, & a party full of woman & men that are OK! With it.

      I want the whole bloody lot of them OUT of power..
      I have hated Sturgeon for how she has done nothing with all the mandates she has been given to get us out of this UNION.. But reading this just makes her INHUMAN in my eyes, how could she be so nasty and how were we so blind to see what she really was.. This should be sent to every councillor, every MSP & every MP.

    26. Margaret Wilson says:

      This article has made me so angry. I’m glad you’ve published it because we need your outreach to expose just how awful this whole GRA Reform is going to impact vulnerable people, from women who’ve been sexually abused to disabled children/adults being placed in harm’s way. Aren’t their lives difficult enough without this further worry for their carers.

      We really miss your political input and I realise you’re scunnered about our government’s complete inertia re independence but when you publish articles like this I realise that, with the exception of a few other bloggers, you’re one person who can get the truth out there. That’s why they hate you so much.

    27. Liz says:

      In answer to the question about politicians taking responsibilty when it all goes tits up.
      The answer is, they are already distancing themselves by putting the onus on providers to ensure safety of customers, clients, patients.

      They’re just forcing everyone to comply but , take responsibility, not a chance.

      Just when you think they’ve reached rock bottom, it appears there is no bottom.

    28. Karen says:

      Sadly the care sector is often not caring, and when staff raise concerns no one who is meant to be regulating things is interested. So called grievances and whistleblowing gets you (caring staff) nothing but extra stress. Mainly it is neglect rather than abuse, but still disabled people are not living their best life.

    29. Grey Gull says:

      As the mother of a non verbal autistic young man, my worst nightmare has always been the thought of him being abused, physically or sexually. We should be doing everything to keep vulnerable children and adults safe,not allowing potential abusers free access to them

    30. panda paws says:

      And this is why we fight. Safeguarding of women and children, especially of those who cannot fight for themselves is NON NEGOTIABLE.

      Thank you Dr Em for writing about this in such a clear, level headed and fully referenced way. And thanks Stu for publishing.

    31. Nally Anders says:

      Thanks for the link RoS @ 2.37
      Absolutely furious at the zoomers in Holyrood and people like Paton. No problem? They need to wake the fk up.

      Complicit-Courtesy of Glinner.
      https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/complicit?r=gqxul&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

    32. Ted says:

      I come here as a Unionist to learn what real Scottish nationalists think. Thank you for this article which has absolutely horrified me. I’m almost glad to be old and know I only have a limited time to endure this woke madness. I cannot believe that Scottish working class people tolerate this crazed situation. The Doctor quoted has to conceal her identity due to threats. God help Scotland. And the rest of the UK if the SNP ever forms a Westminster government in coalition with woke Labour.

    33. twathater says:

      Like others my anger at this abomination is incandescent, this ARTICLE should be the subject of a documentary and broadcast nationally across the uk to EXPOSE and HIGHLIGHT what ALL politicians of ALL political parties are accepting and proposing , I detest and abhor what sturgeon and her cohort of creatures are doing to Scotland and Scots but make NO MISTAKE EVERY CURRENT PARTY in HR and WM are in agreement with this debauchery and deviance , Even the tories dabbled in it and it would have become policy if their membership (the blue rinse) brigade hadn’t rebelled against it

      The tories have always been drawn towards sexual deviancy

      I look forward to the people taking to the streets it is long past overdue ,

      Coincidentally I recd an email this morning from Ross Greer of the sgp in response to a group email I sent to my political representatives of all parties outlining my objections to the GRA and HCB , the responses I recd from 2 reps were soft pedalling and non committal (liars) the response from Greer IS aggressive and challenging , he STATES what will be taking place, no ifs or buts , it is condescending and accusatory because THEY know what’s best for us imbeciles, so go on with your miserable existence and let us intellectual superiors get on with running (sorry ruining) the country

    34. Elle says:

      Stuart MacKay says:
      7 February, 2022 at 1:10 pm

      “I wonder if the liability of a government which introduced gender based equality, without the consent of the electorate, has ever been tested in court?”

      That’s a good point.

      I’m also wondering similar about the legality of a government imposing a pseudoscientific ideology on the electorate without its consent when both the UK Equalities Act and Human Rights Act protects ‘lack of belief’.

      People are free to believe whatever they like but I don’t subscribe to gender identity ideology, many people don’t, and yet the expectation is that we comply with this incoherent belief system even when it’s detrimental to the safeguarding of children and other vulnerable demographics, or be labelled a bigot. This isn’t normal.

      Great work as ever Dr. EM and thanks to Stu for hosting.

    35. Dan says:

      @ Stuart MacKay at 1:10pm

      Re. Liability
      Aye, that’s pretty much what was going through my mind whilst reading the article.
      Reducing or removing safeguarding measures that should be in place to protect the most vulnerable in our society is surely negligent.

      @ Liz at 3.03pm

      Re. Politicians attempting to distance themselves from this issue and putting the onus on providers.
      I don’t think that gives them a free pass, as they are the ones who ultimately created the legislation which blurs the lines between sex and gender, thus making it more difficult for said providers to offer adequately protected services.

    36. Merganser says:

      Thank goodness this site exists to publish articles such as this to let people know what is really going on. Please keep going Stu.

      O/T. Rumours are circulating about the missing £600,000. Plod is said to have obtained documents via a warrant. Anyone know more on this?

    37. twathater says:

      ROS I used your link for the fanzine and started reading the article is this paton guy for real, he states (EHCR have sidestepped any widespread scrutiny, in part I believe because they fit too readily with our own right-wing press’s hostility towards the transgender community ) WTAF surely this numty isn’t serious, ALL the press including HIS newspaper have REFUSED to publish the TRUTH about the GRA and HCB , deliberately obscuring the FACT that sturgeon and her taliban troops have been abusing , denigrating and threatening anyone who objectively wants to discuss the issue , so much so that they refuse to meet representatives of organisations who oppose the legislation ? they use the excuse of NOT meeting them ha ha ha because it is a political party , yet they meet political parties EVERY DAY

    38. Geri says:

      Did they learn nothing from the Saville catalogue of horrors against disabled children, adolescents & even OAPs who couldn’t communicate what had just happened to them?
      The SNP are finished & with it our plight for independence. Who’d want this lot of space cadets in charge of Scotland?

      B#&%#%&’s! I’ll never forgive Sturgeon & her harpies from hell for derailing us.

      This seems to be their aim.

    39. Ron Maclean says:

      Thank you Rev Stu and Dr EM.

      I’m ashamed. This is happening in Scotland. Would independence make matters worse?

      I won’t comment on the article. It speaks for itself. As in so many aspects of Scottish life action is needed. If the last seven years tell us anything, we won’t get any.

      As @Sarah said at the start of the comments a copy of the article should be sent to the First Minister. That’s a start. She might even put her book down long enough to read the article.

      Individually we can’t do much. Collectively we need a focus point. That’s been missing for a long time. I’m sure most independence party members, voters, marchers, bloggers and commenters would like to rally round their leaders and support action aimed at stopping the cruelty and brutality described in ‘The Silence Of The Sacrificial Lambs’.

      Where are our leaders?

      ‘I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion.’ Alexander the Great

      I’m still ashamed. I don’t want to live in a Scotland where such behaviour is tolerated.

    40. Robert Hughes says:

      Geri @ 6.21

      That was exactly what came to my mind reading the article .

      As we know , Saville’s unspeakable depravity was allowed to continue for as long as it did precisely because those who were aware of his behaviour chose to turn a blind eye or were themselves of similar predilections ( his proximity and access to certain members of the Windsor weirdos – and by proxy their imprimatur – was always suspicious ) : those that did raise questions were ignored .

      The same tacit collusion , refusing to speak out,to ask questions and demand answers – moral inertia/self-interest, is the flip-side of the loud-mouthed debatephobes forever declaring their assumed victimhood and their enablers in Government and elsewhere and will facilitate the continuing erosion of ( what were once ) universally accepted standards of decency

      All this is going to blow-up in the face of the Sturgeon regime : when it does, the damage to the cause of Independence may be irreparable

      If it doesn’t ,if they * succeed * in their demented mission, the damage to the country will definitely be irreparable.

      Once again , we’re left asking the question …..is it all deliberate ? Can the across-the-board wrongness of this mob be explained by incompetence/skewed thinking , alone ?

      It’s getting extremely difficult to believe this is anything other than deliberate sabotage

    41. Morag Frame says:

      North Lanarkshire Council??? That group of dinosaurs! Did I not read somewhere that the boyfriend of the CEO of Rape Crisis Edinburgh sits on their Council? He certainly influenced them to drop the funding to 2 long established women’s aid groups because they did not support men.

    42. hopalong says:

      thank you Stu for publishing this and to Dr EM for having the courage and commitment to write it. There are self-identifying carers currently employed in Scotland. The Enhanced Disclosure application now seeks the applicant’s gender, not sex. We have to defeat self-ID. It is a predator’s charter exposing women and girls to untold danger.

    43. P says:

      Thanks for publishing this important piece by Dr Em, she’s been warning everyone about this abuse of the vulnerable in society for years.

    44. robbo says:

      Robert Hughes says:
      7 February, 2022 at 7:58 pm
      Geri @ 6.21

      It’s getting extremely difficult to believe this is anything other than deliberate sabotage

      I’ve believed this for a good while. Everything they do now turns to shit

    45. Effigy says:

      Great work yet again Rev.

      90% of the population would agree with you
      but the SNP don’t give a damn

    46. David Lyon says:

      Does anyone know what Sturgeon’s plan is anymore? What does she get out of this?

      She will no doubt be rewarded with whatever post she wants simply for keeping the union together.

      Why risk it all continuing to push the increasing GRA binfire?

    47. Effigy says:

      SNP – Nowt so queer as woke!

      Now they can move on to only selecting a sprinkling of candidates that are men who say they are women, women who say they are men, kiddie fiddlers, drag queens, rent persons the lot.

      Paving the road to hell just sums up SNP right now.
      These people will be unemployable after the next elections.

      Would you employ anyone responsible for working on this?

    48. Toz says:

      Why only sex, can I not self ID as being Nicolas son / daughter ( depending on how I felt that morning ) and insist that I can live in her home?

    49. Kathleen Lowrey says:

      Enraging. All of the good lovely liberals supporting gender identity garbage should have to wear this article around their necks as a signboard for a year.

    50. anniejo621 says:

      Horrifying evil shit.
      Brimstone and Treacle!

    51. robertknight says:

      F***ing world’s gone mad.

    52. Chas says:

      Simple question

      Do you want to live in an Independent Scotland with Sturgeon, Swinney, Humza, Forbes and all the rest of the troughers in total charge of EVERYTHING?
      Or do you prefer to be a part of the UK with Bunter and his sleazy, corrupt, untrustworthy incompetents ruling the roost?
      How did we ever get to this position?

    53. Toni says:

      What can I say but yet another blistering piece from Dr Em saying everything that needs to be said. I’m at the other end of the scale, at 54 I’m scared witless about my future as a disabled woman with no family and increasing care needs.
      In terms of disability it feels like we just don’t matter, from accessible public transport to widespread abuse. Inclusion doesn’t ever seem to include us.

    54. James Che. says:

      The problem in Scotland is not that WE voted for these woke abusive dangerous policies.

      It was not in any of their manifestos or promises prior to the Scottish elections.
      This in of itself is illegal.

      There is a whole raft of devolved government party,s that are subduing Scotland and lying to the people.

      When you send for FOI on who voted which way, and who sat on their hands we find no opposition to any of these Scottish political parties,

      From Trudeau, to Boris Johnson to Scotland our governments,
      The language and policies demean the citizens first and foremost as a world wide policy.

      Any political party in Scotland that does not stop this is abuse will not be a party after elections.

    55. paul says:

      Chas says:
      8 February, 2022 at 9:50 am

      Simple question

      Do you want to live in an Independent Scotland with Sturgeon, Swinney, Humza, Forbes and all the rest of the troughers in total charge of EVERYTHING?

      No

      Or do you prefer to be a part of the UK with Bunter and his sleazy, corrupt, untrustworthy incompetents ruling the roost?

      No

      How did we ever get to this position.

      Because a tartan tory colonial administrator is preferable to the UK’s interests, and little folk are just in their imagination.
      Swinney was the same, handed the baton to Sturrells, as if AS never happened.

      16 July will be the 12th anniversary of one of the most successful public private partnerships in political history.

      Let’s hope the lovers do not get carried away by the scent of lavender, we don’t want another baby box in the budget , whatwith everything else going on.

    56. Scott Shaw says:

      If people think this is only happening with the sex characteristic but it isn’t. Remember we had SNP prospective candidates self-identifying as disabled in the last election. How long before this starts to affect disability benefits? Also how does it affect the new disability payments being made by the Scottish Government? Will those who self-identify as disabled be entitled to receive them? Of course i’m sure this self-id will be without a doctors note as well.

    57. James Che. says:

      To Quote someone on the Internet.
      “If protests are restricted, withhold you’re taxes”

      If your governments start referring to its ( protesting citizens) as Mobs, insurrectionists, enemies.
      Or Russian agents, or try prevent protests by legislation,

      When any government set the police or army to beat up, or charge its citizens with crimes in peaceful protests .

      When political parties invent new bizarre draconian measures to citizens freedoms of speech and thoughts.

      When The government sees it citizens as its enemy within their beloved country

      We are in a fascist totalitarian government that uses new laws to suppress its people.

      We the people did not vote for wokeism, hate crime bills. Or laws to make our women and children unsafe.

      These policies were not in their manifestos.

      After the suppression of people for free movement under the plague restrictions,
      Do not think the climate change laws will not progress in the same manner to restrict freedom of movement or speech.

      Why are we relying on the corruption of elections to bring us politics we did not vote for.

    58. stuart mctavish says:

      OnT
      Would this be a good place to highlight the poetic irony in the man whose department found insufficient evidence to prove guilt (presumably) or bring prosecution in respect of historic allegations against a popular DJ and charity organiser from the 1980s, despite the low bar to such prosecutions evident in the Assange saga, now complaining of slurs against him when (ahem) ’credited’ with not seeking prosecution of an innocent man..?

      OffT
      Given some ot the criticism of Boris for getting the ‘slur’ into Hansard, it might be worth observing that the phrase ’you can’t slander the dead’ is intended to mean something not dissimilar to ’you can’t honk you horn (not even in protest)*’ and NOT that you cannot be prosecuted for it – so fill your boots (even if doing so means whatever said can be used in evidence against yourself)!

      *I’d also be inclined to understand that the quid pro quo to enable respect for any such official order in the context of a protest MUST be that those complaining they cannot hear, agree to listen and interact in presence of a credible mediator

    59. Nally Anders says:

      RoS thanks for the link to
      Stephen Paton’s article in ‘The National’.
      He reckons there is no evidence from the countries who have adopted Self ID that there has been no issue whatsoever.
      Stephen Paton is clearly deaf, dumb and blind.
      Courtesy of Glinner…
      https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/complicit?r=gqxul&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

    60. James Che. says:

      See face book threatening to pull the plug on Europe/ uk, if if doe not share customers data bases to America.

      I wonder how successful he will be with something akin to blackmail to Europe and uk.

    61. `82,000 men have sued the Boy Scouts of America for sexual abuse by scoutmasters`

      tinyurl.com/2ua872at

      `
      These same predators will have access to girl guides under Self Id.

    62. Jontoscots21 says:

      Several commenters have expressed surprise that this is not being featured in the media. Watching STV news tonight I was astonished that it led on the complaints of a female pupil at Crieff high on the failure of the school to deal with discrimination. Thus she alleged was homophobic and racist, etc. The complainant was a white woke transatlantic accented snowflake. Her allegations were not supported by any evidence it was all about what she felt. The danger of the most vulnerable children being felt up by some pervert hiding in plain tights, didn’t interest them in the slightest. STV featured this histrionic school parish pump pish uncritically. The school denied it but the local Stoneybridge toon council (Perhaps and Kinross) are going to investigate. No doubt Sturgeon, Swinney and Harvie will be endorsing her on Social Media ass the most vulnerable, will be told to stand in the corner and be quiet.

    63. Republicofscotland says:

      This guy makes a lot of sense, are you listening Sturgeon!!!

      Of course she f*ckin isn’t, the treacherous b*stard.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19909152.david-mcwilliams-scottish-independence-nothing-afraid-of%2F

    64. McDuff says:

      Disgusting.
      This is madness yet so so many remain silent.
      As far as i have seen, this dangerous sinister legislation has not been raised or discussed on tv. Why not? Is it because if it was given some serious publicity the uninformed public would react with outrage.

    65. Dorothy Devine says:

      I seem to remember a word which was used probably too frequently in the past , the word was ‘pervert’- I wonder if it still exists in the dictionary and what the definition is these days.

      I have a good friend involved in child protection via her church , I must ask her how she feels at the way things are going, what extra protection is in place.

    66. Breeks says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      8 February, 2022 at 9:02 pm
      This guy makes a lot of sense, are you listening Sturgeon!!!

      Of course she f*ckin isn’t, the treacherous b*stard.

      From where Scottish Independence and the SNP stood in 2015, and then given the open goal of Brexit, ask yourself the question, from that starting point, how could any insurrectionist who had infiltrated the Scottish Government make the SNP as toxic and unelectable as possible and reduce the prospect of Scottish Independence?

      Sexual deviancy targeting Scotland’s children must come pretty high up the list, and thus you wonder why on Earth any leader of Scotland seeking Independence would touch it with a barge pole. I mean WTF? Independence and the end on the UK isn’t adequately controversial?

      Time and time again, no matter what the UK crisis, behind closed doors in London, Sturgeon must surely be the toast of Westminster, as the unlooked for saviour of the Union.

      And if you think that sound’s implausible, you might have a point, but the direction of travel towards a more plausible explanation just makes Sturgeon look even more corrupt and treacherous, because everything else she does is just as shady and dubious, and time and time again she gets away with it because Sturgeon’s downfall exposed as a fraud is the very last thing their corrupt media want to see.

      From the Salmond stitch up to the routine redaction of incriminating evidence, nobody can be so oblivious to just how crooked that looks, yet clearly, looking crooked as sin remains the preferred option to their crookedness being actually proved.

      So all the gullible fools in Scotland who are still not asking themselves the right questions about Sturgeon’s rotten SNP and the betrayal of the Independence cause, it is YOU and your dumb gullibility which is wrecking Scotland’s chance of liberty.

    67. Ron Maclean says:

      A comment on this site about a year ago –

      ‘I don’t want to be conned again because of a blind belief in the integrity of those claiming to be independence seekers. Political parties should have written constitutions containing the principles and philosophies which govern their operation and which reflect current Scottish circumstances. As a minimum these should cover; Scotland’s written constitution, sovereignty, independence, currency, EU, WMDs, leaders and their removal, justice, anti-corruption, membership rights, use of funds, etc. No-one in the egalitarian new Scotland will be above the law. Some evidence of what is being done to fill the gap between aspiration and achievement might help establish good faith. ’Not the SNP’ isn’t enough.

      Less than three months before an election, and after successive polls showing a majority for independence, it doesn’t look as if there are people of probity in Scotland who are capable of leading the nation to statehood and beyond.

      Too often Scottish independence seems to be a scam designed to provide an easy life for the deceitful, the mediocre and the incompetent. Pale, corrupt imitators will never compete with their experienced, colonising counterparts who have maintained the Union for over three hundred years.

      They work for you?’

    68. Republicofscotland says:

      The SNP’s dithering over who will and who won’t pay pensions in an independent Scotland has further damaged our cause, and given old Better Together die-hards a platform via unionist media outlets to have a go again at the cause.

      In 2014 the SNP under Salmond stated that the Scottish government would pay pension post indy taking the wind right out of the no camps sails. The current farrago surrounding pensions in an independent Scotland is a clear sign that the current FM is badly prepared, and if she’s badly prepared on this one then we’re in for an extremely tough time on other matters. Then again if you have no real intentions of holding an indyref what does it matter if you are badly prepared-either way its all very damaging to the indy cause.

    69. James Che. says:

      We need to separate ourselves from the snp, whom are following globalist policies rather than a good old fashioned sensible political position for people first.

      Everything we did not vote for.

      All of these policies followed by the snp are bought and paid for by funds by those wishing to direct Scottish policies to the detriment of people.
      Theres an old saying of Follow the Money,

      We need to go further and separate ourselves from the devolved government, which we all know that has it foundation as a Westminster brain child.

      It is interesting that the the Westminster secretary for Scotland has responsibility for Scottish financial borrowing.
      But it comes out of Scottish funds when it is due to be payed back as a Scottish debt,

    70. James Che. says:

      Basically Westminster decides what money we borrow and how much,
      But Scotland’s people pay it back.

      This is equivalent to a loan shark getting its teeth into you.
      Should we leave the union, apparently this is considered Scottish debt, even although the secretary of state for Scotland is chosen for Scotland outwith Scotland

      Talk about preparing to Tie Scotland’s hands in advance.

      And the snp and Scottish government keep on borrowing , and spending on bringing in new globalist policies to Scotland that are abhorrent to the Scottish people.

      We have a Scottish constitution.
      We have our own laws.

      Why are we letting the snp, the greens and globalist interests run our Scottish country into ruin?

      Why do we not set up a sovereign Scottish People’s assembly, and chose a new government.

    71. Graf Midgehunter says:

      “The current farrago surrounding pensions in an independent Scotland is a clear sign that the current FM is badly prepared, and if she’s badly prepared on this one then we’re in for an extremely tough time on other matters. Then again if you have no real intentions of holding an indyref what does it matter if you are badly prepared-either way its all very damaging to the indy cause.”

      Badly prepared..!!??

      How can something be badly prepared when there is no preparation whatsoever.

      BTW, I’m the living proof that the pensions system actually works.

      I get a Danish pension, a German one and a UK one, incl. the yearly increases.

      Provided the Rest-UK doesn’t play stupid tw*t then it shouldn’t be a large problem to organise and regulate the pensions for existing and future pensioners.

      But then again, what did I write above – badly prepared.. 🙁

    72. James Che. says:

      Graf Midgehunter.

      Aye it’s a shame that all pensioners do not sit in the happy position as you’re self.

      We share one uk measly pension between the two of us.
      The cost of electric has risen,
      The cost of gas has risen.
      Fuel for the car has risen
      Taxes are risen
      And food has risen.

      Any and every pensioner solely on the uk pension is struggling to keep up with the cost of living to the end of their days without enduring poverty.

      NS never even attempted to fight the uk government for the 50s generation of women, their pension money sits in the uk treasury amounting to millions.

      Leaving many pensioners in Britain on one pension for two people per household.
      Most of These women were not informed by the UK DWP and had no time to make alternative pension arrangement.

      Due to this maladministration, according to the Parliamentary and Health service ombudsman( (PHSO) men are struggling to provide for two people on one pension.
      And many women whom live alone have nothing.
      This investigation is still ongoing.

      NS is so busy with trans rights, she ignores women’s rights.

    73. James Che. says:

      Some may think that it is a crazy position that I have taken recently in calling for a Sovereigns people’s assembly.

      But when we experience injustices and corruption, that effects men, women and children through our governments behavioural policies.
      And for those yet to experience it, but see it coming for themselves and their families,

      We look for legal alternatives.
      We are in breach of uk law if we try get rid of the devolved government,
      We can not Pursue ending the treaty of the union under the snp or Scottish/ English sub branch of the British parliament as they are one and the same.

      We do however have the legal right to choose a new government, under the claim of right, and affirmed in Hansard recently. and a legal right to self determination.

      With out deleting the Scottish devolved government by Law,

      We simply set up our own parallel choice of government of the people assembly.

      What Westminster does with the devolved Scottish Parliament afterwards is their decision.

    74. James Che. says:

      And for those panicking about a government going for UDI.
      It is not NS’s Scottish devolved government that would be doing it , As that would be illegal.

      There is not a law that states a sovereign people cannot do this.

      Just the opposite, under the people’s right to self determination in UN and international law.. and the claim of right sitting in Hansard.

    75. Graf Midgehunter says:

      James Che:
      “We share one uk measly pension between the two of us.
      The cost of electric has risen,
      The cost of gas has risen.
      Fuel for the car has risen
      Taxes are risen
      And food has risen.

      Any and every pensioner solely on the uk pension is struggling to keep up with the cost of living to the end of their days without enduring poverty.”
      ——————-
      That is a very strong argument for Independence and should be hammered out on every ALBA stall, husting, leaflet between now and the May elections.

      Of my pensions, the UK one is by far the worst of them all. To get anywhere near the average in Europe they would have to double the amount.

      If an energy rich, indy Scotland would do that, you’d have every pensioner in the land in the front-line waving Saltires and screaming hallelujah.. 🙂

    76. Republicofscotland says:

      “How can something be badly prepared when there is no preparation whatsoever.”

      Graf Midgehunter @11.58am.

      I agree with the above, however the opponents of Sturgeon and independence in most cases believe she will hold an indyref next year, so they are playing out the game, and the game surrounding pensions in an independent Scotland is in their crosshairs, and Sturgeon by squabbling that the UK government will pay for them and the UK government saying they won’t reflects badly not just on Sturgeon but on the entire indy movement causing doubt and uncertainty.

      Our big problem is that no one is going to totally believe that Sturgeon isn’t going to hold an indyref until the latter part of 2023 has come and gone without an indyref, even though many folk in Scotland know that she hasn’t laid down important preparations and answers to questions such as currency have not been forthcoming.

      This uncertainty translates into the real world, in such as if someone who wanted to vote yes in an indyref but wanted to know who would pay their pension in an independent Scotland, or what currency will we be using, with what certainty could we tell them knowing that Sturgeon hasn’t laid any of this out yet.

    77. James Che. says:

      The problem long term for all genuine Indy party that may be elected is the Scottish devolved government itself.
      it is actually subject to Westminster’s rule which imposes on Scots law, with the Uk Supreme Court deciding what laws can or cannot be passed in Scotland in Scots law, for anything to pass it has to be given royal assent.

      Thus bending the articles of the treaty of the union,

      Any Scottish Independence Party goes into Holyrude on limited manovrebilty.

      The actual devolved government is the problem, not the solution. Even the voting system is set up to ensure we have limited access with an Independence Party,

    78. steelewires says:

      The root of the problem is using the word GENDER to refer to people. Grammar is the proper locus of the word GENDER. Nouns and pronouns have a GENDER- masculine, or feminine, or neuter. People and animals have a sex – male or female.

      People with an X chromosome and a Y chromosome cannot become a person with two X chromosomes. So, transwomen are not women and transmen are not men. If we drop the use of the word GENDER to refer to people we will see clearly that what is trans about them is their personality.

      Children are being taught that there are over a hundred genders. How many more than a hundred? Perhaps there are 7.8 billion PERSONALITIES, some men having degrees of feminine personality and some women having degrees of masculine personality.

    79. Merganser says:

      Steelwires: I like your agenda.

    80. Cuilean says:

      I attended a public meeting at Arran High School in 2014 before the the first and last Indy Referendum, whose only guest speaker was Patrick Harvie. When asked how strongly he felt about independence it is indelibly chiselled onto my memory, ‘I am not that bothered about it, one way or another’. What he is undeniably ‘bothered about,’ is male sex rights trampling all over female sex rights to safe spaces. When you first started to warn us about Sturgeon and her cronies, (she has 13 spads)! I confess I could not believe it. I do now. I will never vote SNP again, until Sturgeon and her ilk are gone. I fully realise I may never be able to vote SNP again. I did not leave the SNP. Sturgeon took it away from me. I will never forget the seat warmers who saw as clearly as you what their party was turning into, and did nothing. Back in the day it was, for me. never a question of ‘Could Mi5 have infiltrated the SNP?’ It was ‘How many are working for Mi5 in the SNP’. It seems after the scare we gave them in 2014, the double agents went from a trickle to a tsunami. It is the only logical explanation for the transformation.

    81. Dan says:

      James Che. says at 1:06 pm

      Aye it’s a shame that all pensioners do not sit in the happy position as you’re self.

      We share one uk measly pension between the two of us.
      The cost of electric has risen,
      The cost of gas has risen.
      Fuel for the car has risen
      Taxes are risen
      And food has risen.

      Any and every pensioner solely on the uk pension is struggling to keep up with the cost of living to the end of their days without enduring poverty.

      But James, we have to focus on the positives of living in NuScotland… We can now choose whatever pronouns we want, and because we can’t afford much these days we’re well on the way to net zero with oor carbon footprints…

    82. James Che. says:

      Treaty of the union.

      Articles 8- 14. 1707.
      Tax rules.

      Scotland will pay
      A new new land Tax,
      New taxes on salt, and malt, but not until 1710.
      Duties on windows and lights,
      And on coal, coal dust, and cinders, but not until 1710.
      Scotland will not pay duties on stamped paper, vellum or parchment.

      Three questions arise.
      (1)
      Why in Scotland does the Council tax and services tax, personal taxes, poll tax, previous roof taxes, national insurance tax apply?
      As it would be contraire to the specific taxes expected of the people of Scotland in the international Treaty of the Union 1706-1707. No matter what domestic legislation has been introduced since by Westminster Parliament.

      (2)
      What happened to the specific mentioned Scotland Land Tax?
      Mentioned in the articles of the international treaty of the union 1707
      No matter what domestic legislation was introduced by Great Britain’s Westminster Parliament, these are stated as specific in the 1707 treaty.

      (3)
      Duties on windows,
      Was later abolished by Great Britain’s Westminster Parliament. Contraire to the treaty of the union 1707 articles.
      Duties on,
      On coal, coal dust, and cinders.
      How does this fit in with NS new net zero policy on climate change.
      For the coal and coal dust are mentioned as in the treaty of the union as being available to the Scottish people in the treaty of the union even though there is a dutie to pay, as always has been the case since 1707.
      And the International Treaty of the Union 1707 does not mention Gas or Wind turbine energy taxes to be levied on the Scottish people.

      (4)
      Scotland will not pay on stamp paper, vellum or parchment.
      I don’t think that quite fits in with modern post office rules.

    83. twathater says:

      What is most troubling is that this fake betrayer is ONLY in power because of indy and ONLY remains in power because the unionist MSM REFUSE to fully expose her ongoing clusterfuck of a government , EVERYTHING she or her disciples touch turns to shit , humza useless , shirley anne shit for brains ,John the redactor and liar , and the rest of her moronic incompetents

      The snp membership was estimated to be less than 100,000 the population of Scotland is approx 5.2 million although not all have voting rights so HTF are we still having to SUFFER this deviant pervert ruining Scotland, ANSWER = WM know she is working for them and have instructed broadcasters and the MSM NOT to expose just how inept and incompetent she and her cabal are
      What is needed is Alex Salmond , Kenny MacAskill and patriotic Scots from the justiciary to EXPOSE the dangers and threats our womenfolk will face in light of this unneeded and unwanted legislation against the determined opposition and wishes of the majority of the electorate who Nicola Sturgeon is treating with open contempt in an attempt to curry favour with 0.1% of the population whilst IGNORING and dismissing at least 52% of the population

    84. James Che. says:

      As a important point not mentioned in the treaty of the union but should be mentioned here.

      No water tax to big Companies, to governments or Councils to be levied against the Scottish people. By the parliament of Great Britain in the agreed international Treaty of the Union.

      No tax levied,
      So I presume the agreement thought Scottish water free as the air we breath to the Scottish people in 1707.

    85. James Che. says:

      Twathater.

      I think according to the policies we see she is pushing into Scotland, these are more global politics.
      Bj seems to have them being thrust upon him in Westminster too, wether by the Mrs or by whom gives big donations to them.

    86. James Che. says:

      All our British politicians are paid bought and paid for by lobbyists with an interest or agenda,
      Follow the money and the donations.

    87. James Che. says:

      All this will Scottish independence issue will eventually have to boil down to wether the 1707 INTERNATIONAL TREATY of the UNION has been ALTERED or ABUSED by the Great British Parliament representing the two joined kingdoms of England and Scotland according to the Atricles.

    88. James Che. says:

      We leave because in history it can be seen and proven the Great Britain Parliament has imposed domestic laws and legislation upon the 1707 international Treaty of the Union.
      Or because.
      We decide to choose a new parliament altogether, under the right to self determination and the Scottish Claim of Right,

      I prefer the first option as it is a total reset, that may bring compensations internationally.
      But I am happy with either as long as it moves us forward to an independent Scotland before this country is ruined by wokeism and totalitarianism.

    89. Tannadice Boy says:

      On Topic There are no words to add to this excellent article. On a very basic level I have nieces in their thirties who say to me (Biological clock running). “They are no decent guys”. Equally I have nephews who say women “Are up their own arses”. And never the twain shall meet. There has to be a middle ground. We need to connect the 2 sexes.
      Off Topic I have finished my pandemic clock. The additional deaths as a result of lockdown and restrictions is a range between 25000 and 40000. Secondary research skimmed off of Public Service Organisations and not Primary research. No peer review but compared to Covid deaths we have made a horrendous error. Covid
      Deaths just over 10000. A beazer of a project for a young enterprising PhD student. Male or female.

    90. Republicofscotland says:

      “UK to send patriotic Queen book to EVERY primary school child in Scotland”

      Its bad enough that our kids need to see this old parasite on tv regularly, along with her creepy perverted brood who also live a life of luxury at the taxpayers expense, now they want to flood our schools with literature exalting this old sponger, in which we should praise her for living off us for almost one-hundred years.

      I can only hope that Prince Andrew’s civil trial is active and in the news when the chief ponce, his mother, is on tv constantly for a whole month to celebrate a landmark in how much and how long she’s lived in luxury for nigh on a century at the expense of others.

      There’s enough theft going on in Scotland, without an independent Scotland retaining The Addams Family from South of the border.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19910985.platinum-jubilee-uk-send-patriotic-queen-book-every-primary-school-child-scotland%2F

    91. Effigy says:

      Kurt Zoom’s cat incident has seen him hire Boris’ Downing Street advisors.
      Turns out he thought he was at a training session and they were using a new fury ball.
      He didn’t have his contact lenses in and he didn’t have car keys to check his eyes at Barnard Castle so he thought the kids were team mates.

      Leave him alone and he’ll get catshit done!

    92. Effigy says:

      Kurt Zuma’s cat incident has seen him hire Boris’ Downing Street advisors.
      Turns out he thought he was at a training session and they were using a new fury ball.
      He didn’t have his contact lenses in and he didn’t have car keys to check his eyes at Barnard Castle so he thought the kids were team mates.

      Leave him alone and he’ll get catshit done!

    93. Dorothy Devine says:

      RoS, thanks for that , you have made the start to a gloomy day absolutely dreadful.

      P.S Love the Adams family – please don’t compare them to that bunch.

    94. Hatuey says:

      “UK to send patriotic Queen book to EVERY primary school child in Scotland”

      Relax, it’s just another tedious scam. They’ll charge us for 2 million copies, deliver about 60 in total, and have their friends (co-conspirators) in the media tell us how fascinating and useful it all was.

      For those of you who aren’t familiar with this sort of stuff, the above is what academics and experts are referring to when they talk about “the UK economy”. That’s basically how everything works.

      Revolution is in the air and I don’t think scams like this will help. Maybe the Queen book will include a chapter that explains how a majority of the population are to go cold and hungry in an resource-rich country like Scotland.

      Forget the poor and downtrodden, nobody ever gave a fuck about them, I’m talking about hard working people who are somehow expected to hand an additional £1500 per year to energy companies (yes, it’s the “UK economy” again)…

      The dynamics of all this are going to get interesting. I’ve always assumed that real support for independence in Scotland was sitting around 65% (with media propaganda and lies giving the impression it was nearer 50%). I think it’s safe to assume we can expect a surge.

      Here’s an idea… we take back control of our country, tell Boris and the Royals to go screw someone else, raise taxes on the oil companies and use the money to nationalise all those wind turbines — free electricity for all Scots at the stroke of a pen.

      You wouldn’t even need to raise tax on the oil companies by more than a very small percentage (if you extrapolate over the next 30 years).

    95. Dan says:

      The pandemic is defo over!

      I’ve just received a red letter which I’d optimistically hoped might be an early Valentine’s Day card… until I read it’s addressed to “The Legal Occupier”, so it’s just normal service resuming across the State as the TV license chasing department starts up their usual shite again.

    96. Republicofscotland says:

      “Relax, it’s just another tedious scam. They’ll charge us for 2 million copies,”

      Hatuey.

      Try £12 million quid, at a time when families up and down the UK are struggling to heat and eat, pity coal fires are out or we could’ve at least burned it to keep warm.

      What a waste of £12 million pounds of taxpayers cash.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19910985.platinum-jubilee-uk-send-patriotic-queen-book-every-primary-school-child-scotland%2F

    97. Robert Hughes says:

      Hatuey

      You could be charged and found guilty of * Wrong Think * for expressing such coherent and seditious ideas . Watch your back mate .

      Dan

      S.W.A.L.K

      Sealed with a laughing kick

    98. Republicofscotland says:

      Meanwhile Sturgeon has said UK government ministers should ask themselves if they have the moral authority to lead during the remaining stages of this pandemic.

      Sturgeon quoting moral authority after what she’s done really takes the biscuit.

      Supposedly top level SNP figures are to gather to discuss preparations for an indyref, Tommy Sheppard said we have a specific role to play in arguing the merits of the case (independence).

      Arguing the merits of independence, WTF, the merits are already well know, of course one demerit for the likes of Sheppard and the other SNP troughers at Westminster is that they’ll lose their cushy, well paid, do nothing jobs at Westminster.

    99. Republicofscotland says:

      Dorothy Devine.

      Sorry about that, this won’t help either.

      There are no discernable benefits of Brexit, said James Withers the Chief Executive of Scotland’s Food and Drink, Withers further rubbished the UK governments Global Britain tag that claimed leaving the EU would boost trade.

      We, well most of us (including Sturgeon) knew Brexit would be disastrous for Scottish businesses, however Sturgeon decided to try and save England instead of saving Scots from this fetid union, and now we in Scotland are paying a heavy price for her betrayal.

    100. robbo says:

      Dan says:
      10 February, 2022 at 10:04 am

      I’ve been getting them as regular as clockwork. Apparently I have until 18th or I’ll be sent to the ‘ stalag’

    101. Republicofscotland says:

      So the Scottish government wants cancel publishing the GERS figures, however the English staging post in Scotland the Scottish Office will just publish them possibly an even more convoluted version.

      Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp is urging the Scottish government to publish a counter version of GERS, showing Scotland’s real wealth as well as showing how England syphons off cash from Scotland to pay for projects not in Scotland and not related to Scotland in any way.

      This is of course old rope, many renowned indy voices asked why Sturgeon didn’t do this years ago, we of course now have our answer, she isn’t interested in Scottish independence, and likewise MacIntyre-Kemp’s plea will also fall on deaf ears.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F19912541.gers-figures-cant-cancelled-can-changed%2F

    102. Republicofscotland says:

      Two big demos are taking place in Edinburgh and Glasgow on Saturday at 1pm over the rising cost of living and heating, one will be held outside Queen Elizabeth House in Edinburgh, the other in George Square Glasgow, they’ve been organised by the People’s Assembly.

      Multiple speakers have been lined up for the Glasgow demo, but no speakers have been confirmed yet for the Edinburgh demo.

    103. robbo says:

      Six more North Sea oil and gas fields are to get go-ahead
      Isaan Khan For The Daily Mail 2 days ago

      In the daily Ranger.

      Six North Sea oil and gas fields are expected to be given the go-ahead this year, despite the Government’s drive to cut fossil-fuel emissions.

      Chancellor Rishi Sunak has pressed Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng to fast-track the licences for their construction.

      Scotland government sits on it’s arse observing more of our resources going south.

    104. robbo says:

      You’re gonnae be stamp’d and tracked noo tae.

      Millions of first and second class stamps to be axed in Scotland from next year
      Emma Munbodh & Daniel Morrow 23 hrs ago

      Scots have been urged to use up their remaining batches of first and second class stamps ahead of a rule change coming into force from next year.

      From January 31, 2023, the current stamps with the Queen’s head on them will be replaced with ones that contain a barcode alongside it.

      The rule change will also mean that seasonal ones, such as the ones in circulation over Christmas, will also no longer be valid from this point, the Mirror reports.

    105. James Che. says:

      Robbo.
      According to the words of the treaty of the union, articles 8- 14, I quoted above

      Scotland will Not pay for stamp paper, vellum or parchment,

      I am sure a a postage ( stamp) on you’re letter is stamp paper.

    106. James Che. says:

      Gas and oil wind and tide energy and water should be free in Scotland.
      According to the treaty of the union articles 8-14.

      The only taxable energy sources are Coal, Coal dust and Cinders.

    107. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      I would have thought the two first demo by by the assembly would have been gender issues related to our children safety. And the safety of women.

      And independence.

    108. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      The energy crises in Scotland and price charging is not in keeping with the treaty of the union articles.

      We either follow the articles in the treaty of the union which is an international treaty, or we do not.

    109. Dan says:

      @ robbo at 11.34am

      Re. The Queen’s napper on stuff.

      A good few years ago when the big 50 pence pieces got discontinued, SWIM (someone who isn’t me : As I would never deface a coin with oor lovely monarch’s coupon on it 😉 ) started using them to fix troublesome Exhaust Gas Re-circulation systems on car engines by welding them onto blanking plates.
      The heat from the welding process turned the coin dark and made it look like she had a belter of an Afro barnet!

    110. James Che. says:

      If we are unable to separate ourselves here in Scotland from the treaty of the union, let us follow it word for word.
      Every article of the international treaty of the union. That cannot be changed by domestic legislation or domestic statues over an international recognised treaty.

      Let’s us start with the article on land tax,

      That will catch and encompass, the rich, the elite land owners, the second holiday homes, etc.

    111. Republicofscotland says:

      Glasgow City Councillors set to ask the Scottish government to allow electric scooters users onto our roads.

      Currently they are not allowed on our roads, I’ve witnessed the speeds that these electric scooters can go to, most are used by young folk with no protection whatsoever, and they can go from pavement to road in a second or two, I predict if the GCC councillors are successful in their bid, they’ll be many accidents involving these scooters, and some deaths as well.

      https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgow-council-bosses-set-ask-23042080

    112. robbo says:

      Bloody state of this

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/bizarre-intergender-mma-bout-sees-75-year-old-man-grandson-taken-on-28-year-old-woman/ar-AATGLoK?ocid=msedgntp

      The vid is full of geriatrics and young fighting transgenders and the like – wtf lmao fucking freak show comedy.

    113. James Che. says:

      1707 Treaty of the union article 25:

      Article 25 Revokes all previous Acts that might operate against the union and confirms the Full Authority of Law in passing the Act of Union.

      Interpreted as what is now set up as law are the treaty of union Acts.

    114. James Che. says:

      The incompatibility of the independence movement is astonishing,

      In one breath we claim we cannot leave the treaty of the union, and our hands are tied,

      And in the next breath we ignore the articles in that treaty that supposedly bind us.

      The historical fact is that all these articles are supposed to be law as of the signing in 1707.

      Why are the Scottish independence grassroots and the British parliament not following these ( acts ).

      They can be as much to our advantage as against.

    115. robbo says:

      Seriously you guys need tae watch that vid. Fecking tears are streaming doon ma face.

      Absolute comedy gold. Watch from 11mins ish onwards for the fight of the century. pure class.

    116. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @robbo –

      🙂

      It’s like a cross between The Benny Hill Show and Mad Max.

      🙂

    117. Lorna Campbell says:

      I believe that they know exactly what they are doing. I also believe that we should, as an electorate, let them know that they will be held personally responsible for any, and every, sexual abuse by a trans identified person. This can be done by approaching Holyrood and placing a written address to it, to be read out by a MSP of any party. Let it be done in public so that the cameras pick it up and it hits the newspapers, as well, with links to sites where the crimes and photos of trans identified sex criminals are available to the public, and let it be known that constituents whose child or who, herself, has been attacked by a trans identified person masquerading as a female will be crowdfunded to sue said politician if they voted for self-ID after the GRA reform has been introduced in Holyrood. Give them advance warning that, like the perpetrators of Nazism at Nuremberg, or like the Serbian warmongers, they will be called to account. It is perfectly feasible to respect the humanity of trans identified people to live their own lives without allowing them to steal women’s and girls’ identity to do so.

    118. Lorna Campbell says:

      Cuilean: “… It is the only logical explanation for the transformation… ”

      Yes, that and the infiltration, in 2015, by thousands of far left ‘former’ Labourites who now occupy most of the seats. They have little to no interest in independence, but their tongues loll at the prospect of getting access to female rights and spaces. Patrick Harvie is their patron saint and Nicola Sturgeon their Joan of Ark. It was a massive takeover of government by a devious cabal allied to Stonewall.

    119. Lorna Campbell says:

      James Che: yes, indeed, the WASPI women pensions thing was yet another con trick played on women. How difficult would it have been to phase in the changes? Instead, women were left destitute. They were lying through their sparkling, subsidised pearlies when they tried to maintain that all women received notice. F*****g lie. In any case, how can you save for a pension on low pay or if you are not in work and were not even informed of when you would receive some kind of pension? They did this, those evil Whitehall bureaucrats and politicians, because we are female. They would never have dared to do it to men. The SNP did nothing. The loathing I now feel towards them started then, but the GRA self-ID has increased it ten-fold. I want them out. All of them. Gone. Useless, spineless numbskulls and at least some of them are sexually questionable in their own right if they support this anti female nonsense.

    120. Lorna Campbell says:

      Shauny Boy: at first, I must admit that I felt sympathy for trans people, and empathy for them – and I suppose I still do for the burden they bear – but, slowly, I began to see through the smoke and mirrors, and I must say that thinking about disabled children and adults did make me see things ever more clearly some years back now. I have been horrified by the on-line examples of deviant men raping their animals (or other people’s pets) which I had not even thought of as a fetish (we’d always heard about sheep shaggers, but not looked at it in this way, sniggered about it, really, which is awful) and I hope that the SSPCA and RSPCA are taking these people to court. It seems to me that consent for their public displays of fetishism is being eroded and enabled by legislation. What is going on here? Where have all these fetishistic people come from? They must be emerging from their sp**k-soaked bedrooms like troglodytes from underground bunkers, expecting us all to validate their particular fetish. It is one thing for society to lighten up and accept change, but quite another for it to be overwhelmed by degrading and utterly alien (to females, at any rate) sexual fetishes that threaten to destroy it completely.

    121. Lorna Campbell says:

      ClanDonald: like so many during the Jimmy Savile years, who knew, who covered up and who condoned, you have to suspect that, among them – certainly not all because many wer scared to speak out – are mirror images of that creature. It would explain a great deal.

      Sarah: yes, that is a brilliant idea. Those that still have the vestiges of a conscience might just be stirred to do something to halt this paedophiles’/abusers’/rapists’ charter called GRA Reform. The 2004 GRA has actually been superseded by same sex marriage legislation, equal pensions (for which women also had to pay a high price) and other pieces of legislation have nullified this Act. All that is left is self-ID. The Scottish government is lying through its teeth about there being no harm to females. It knows there is going to be harm to all vulnerable groups. Mridul should have taught them that, the man who wears big, baggy frocks when interviewing women about their sexual abuse.

    122. Dan says:

      I feel your pain Stu, as it reminds me of the time the uni-educated suited and tied project management team of a company I worked for tried to hire a remote control submarine system for a contract when the as configured submarine system in question didn’t have enough main lift umbilical cable length to reach the fuckin the job on the sea bed!
      As if we low life engineers were just to go to B&Q and buy an extension cord for the extra few hundred meters of load tested multi conductor umbilical cable complete with fibre optics, so we could actually operate the sub and reach the job, coz you know that shit is just sitting there on the shelves ready to plug and play.

      https://gettr.com/post/ptqqu787a9

    123. Republicofscotland says:

      MSM reporting that Cressida Dick the head of the Met in England will stand down as police chief as of tonight.

    124. Tinto Chiel says:

      @RoS: she was bought and sold from the time she was in charge on the disastrous day of De Menezes’ murder.

      Our MSM suppressed the truth without a second thought while a pal pf mine on holiday in Austria saw its national TV show UK witnessses on the underground report a brutal, unprovoked attack on a defenceless man simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    125. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan 6:59pm
      My first concern is for the islanders. They need a reliable ferry service. I cannot account for the short cabling. It’s incomprehensible to me. It is so basic that it doesn’t even qualify as a fundamental design error. Very damaging to Scottish Engineering. What is going on with these ferries?. Whilst I am not a conspiracy theorist I am beginning to think there other forces at work. We are a laughing stock. I have taught Engineering apprentices and undergraduate Engineering courses. It’s two routes to get to the same destination. There are great engineering apprentices and great graduate engineers. What has happened here?. Audit Scotland are to produce a report on the Ferries in March 2022. I await their deliberations. A strip out and rewire will cost millions.

    126. Ebok says:

      I don’t take any pleasure in quoting Tories, but …

      “Too often, ministers have been evasive, and the truth has been optional.
      “When ministers respond to legitimate questions with pre-prepared soundbites, or half-truths, or misdirection, or wild exaggeration, then respect for government and politics dies a little more.
      “Misleading replies to questions invite disillusion. Outright lies breed contempt.”

    127. Dan says:

      @ Tannadice Boy

      Posting for future generations…
      Measure twice, cut once… Oh, and metaphorically boot any twat in the fanny / baws so hard they are launched oot the picture if they retrospectively deviate from the previously agreed, planned, and costed design.

    128. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan 9:50pm
      I know I am at a lost here. I just don’t understand what’s happen. Audit Scotland will produce their report. It better not be delayed beyond the May elections. We will see in March 2022. Follow the money as they say. I don’t believe any of this nonsense. Scotland built some iconic ships. And now we can’t build 2 ferries?.

    129. Dan says:

      @ Tannadice Boy

      I have a hazy recollection of reading somewhere that there may have been a significant specification alteration to what was originally designed, but that may be in relation to other ferries rather than these ones.
      But if that was the case, any reconfiguring of key elements of the initial design may well require corresponding changes to the support and control systems which should have been factored in prior to any changes being agreed.

      Maybe Alf Baird could add some further insight into this latest matter if he happens to notice this discussion.

      Here was a previous article Alf posted over on Yours For Scotland which is worth another read.

      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/11/12/how-to-end-the-madness/

    130. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan 11:00pm
      It’s not a hazy recollection for me. They wanted to make these Ferries more Green than any on the planet. And changed the specification. A nightmare at the best of times. I will read Alfs take but it doesn’t excuse the Engineering failure of short cabling. Follow the money. Somebody is having a laugh. Roll on March 2022 and the Audit report. Somebody is making a lot of money at our expense. I wouldn’t board the Arran Ferry when it is finally commissioned. A sad thought for the Islanders.

    131. Alf Baird says:

      Dan @ 11:00 pm

      Postcolonial theory is probably on the money as far as explaining the ferries fiasco and more or less everything else the UK’s Scottish Gov ‘Department’ touches – which is that Scotland will always have a mediocre meritocracy so long as we remain a colony, run by people who don’t have a clue, and don’t even care.

      As you noted, this article explains what should be done:
      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/11/12/how-to-end-the-madness/

    132. twathater says:

      Can I say , Lorna Campbell is on fire with her comments here and elsewhere , but what else I will say is I have always viewed Lorna’s and other females comments as fair , respectful and empathetic to the trans issue , she and others have separated the real dysphoria sufferers from the deviants and perverts and showed , like others a willingness and compassion in an effort to reach a fair conclusion to this dilemma

      BUT the woke and sturgeon have proven that they are not out to accept compromise they have NO INTENTION of even discussing compromise , it is ALL or nothing, complete control of the kingdom with any dissenters or opposition thrown to the dogs, or their preferred method of punishment , imprisonment courtesy of her tame police force her tame COPFS and her bought and paid for judges

      BUT what I will say to Lorna and any other females who feel bad about opposing trans rights , REMEMBER what we are fighting for and what will happen if we lose , sturgeon and her RABID DOGS have given NO QUARTER there is NO RESPECT , NO COMPASSION , NO EMPATHY towards REAL females, they will do whatever it takes to subvert female rights without a backward glance and the disgust I wrote about earlier on Yours For Scotland re the cowards in the snp is magnified the more I think about them

    133. Robert Hughes says:

      Twathater @ 3.19

      100% agree with everything you say here .

      The ACTUAL tolerance , ACTUAL compassion and empathy of people like Lorna stands in diametric contrast to the ersatz , extremely circumscribed versions lip-serviced by the Stonewall gender stormtroopers

    134. Republicofscotland says:

      Network Rail to get the union jackery treatment, it will be rebranded as Great British Railways, and the logo will be red, white and blue in a kind of nod to the Butchers Apron.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19915914.great-british-railways-union-flag-influences-logo-new-public-body%2F

    135. Republicofscotland says:

      On top of the new ferries being years late and millions over budget, not to mention wiring cables being too short in the Glen Sannox that will all need to be replaced, the island around Scotland that our ferries service, are now down to four ferries, as another three are in dry dock and the fourth MV Hebrides is out of action due to engine trouble.

      Its very apparent that Sturgeon couldn’t run a menage never mind our very important ferries services to the islands, of course there has been rumblings that the SNP government will privatise our island ferries, maybe that’s why she doesn’t give a monkey’s about them or the Scots that rely on them as a lifeline.

    136. Gordon Currie says:

      I wonder how many of the Island people affected are aware of this?

      It might be worth circulating it and mobilising public opinion – the MSM would surely then have to report on the situation?

    137. Dan says:

      @ Tannadice Boy

      You mentioning the “green” element reminded me there was the dual fuel aspect of powering the ferries that was contentious and is touched on in the following article by Kenny MacAskill hosted on Grousebeater’s site.

      https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2021/11/06/a-catastrophic-failure/

      “…The second issue was fuelling. Leaving aside why environmentally you even consider LNG, there remain basic engineering concerns. It’s a relatively new technology. Normally used on larger vessels than on smaller ones like ships 801 and 802, where other options such as batteries or hydrogen are preferred. It’s also not surprising that Cal Mac didn’t want LNG ships as there’s no LNG infrastructure in Scottish ports. I asked CMAL what consideration was given to onshore supply systems, what was in situ at the time of requisition and what the situation’s now for LNG? This is the answer: “At the time the only load out facility in the UK was the Isle of Grain. There were 3 projects looking at the bulk storage in Scotland 2 on the East Coast and one on the West Coast – so far none of these have been built out.” Cal Mac operates in the Hebrides and on the Clyde which lie on Scotland’s west coast. The Isle of Bute’s in the latter and the Isle of Lewis the former. But the Isle of Grain is in Kent on England’s East Coast. No wonder Cal Mac didn’t want it.

      Alf’s article linked to last night also mentions the significant “green” fuel efficiency improvements and resultant emission reductions that could be achieved with a better hull design rather than going for dual fuel.

      Interesting reading in the Grousebeater article about LNG fuel being used on larger vessels.
      I wonder if it has to do with engine displacement as larger engines will be turning at slower rpm compared to smaller engines.
      My mate used to look after the internal combustion engine powered leccy generators that were fueled from the gas generated in various landfill sites.
      Those engines were originally diesel compression ignition but were converted to spark ignition to run on gas. Exhaust valve seat erosion was an issue, and obviously with a smaller engine revving harder the valves would be exposed to far more cycles than a slower turning engine, and thus need more maintenance and / or a shorter service life before requiring to be changed out.

    138. McDuff says:

      So this morning we have The Herald awash with anti independence scare stories while the National goes with pieces on the Met commisioner’s resignation.
      Why do people buy this pretendy pro independence rag.

    139. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan 10:26pm
      Thanks for the links Dan. I will have a think about the engine displacement. I have had a quick look at the rewiring costs. I can’t understand why the Yard can’t give out an estimate for this work. They have the cable schedule. Assuming the worst case scenario of 900 or so cable runs. Cost of stripping out, purchasing new cable, installation and labour costs. Hopefully existing cable trays and ducting can be reused. No change out of 750k to re cable. Certainly shouldn’t breach one million.

    140. James Che. says:

      Lorna Campbell.

      Nice to hear and see some commenters of old on here that still remember what we are supposed to be about.

      Mrs Che has stilll not been informed about the pension changes,
      She found out when she reached 60.
      Then did some research in desperation and found Waspi women.

    141. Dan says:

      @ Tannadice Boy

      Aye, or at the ends of the current too short wiring, just install extra junction boxes with new terminal blocks, then add new tails of the various lengths required to reach wherever they need to go. doing that would save ripping everything out and make up for the short lengths, plus it would provide a good access point for test and fault finding, or even future retro fitting…

      We were forever amending cable runs of allsorts in the offshore industry, from seriously heavy steel wired armored main lift umbilicals, to power conductors, or even making up new fibre optic flyleads which have a centre glass strand the thickness of a human hair.

    142. James Che. says:

      Alf Baird.
      Robert Hughes.
      Lorna Campbell.
      And many more.

      Ones heart sinks nowadays on here.

      Once upon a time When we spoke of Scottish independence, of the situation we are in,
      what position we hold on the slide scale in the union, or methods to remedy the situation, it was a delight to hear so many commentators with so much vigour on the subjects
      It used to warm my heart, and warm the day up in a bleary winter to see how many were on track,

      Nowadays if one is focused on the original purpose of independence, laws, union, Scottish government.or a solution to independence for Scotland.

      The responding comments are usually have you heard this bit or that bit of gossip in a volcablebrary makeover of the topic, distracting the conversation and deliberate failure to stay on point,

      The gossip or moaning conversations get us no where….

      Information facts, and real questions to solutions used to be the normal response.

      I am disappointed to how the deliberate trolling has taken down so many commentators, thus the next generation become illiterate to Scotland’s real history. Scotland’s possible future,

      The issue today is not about holding the snp feet to the fire over engineering or Brexit, these are gone.

      What solution is ever mentioned here for changing corrupted Scottish politics besides another wait and see moment.

      It feels like labour and the snp run this site.

      Rant over.

    143. Dorothy Devine says:

      Anyone know the circulation figures for the ‘Scottish’ press?

      I would love to know how many papers are sold by the Herald/National/Scotsman/Record /Press and Journal/Courier.

      I used to buy the Herald but have not bought it for the last five years. We have no papers in this house as I consider them free from truth ,accuracy and information and I can honestly say I have not missed the dead tree press.

    144. James Che. says:

      Additional context to the end piece of comment above.

      Perhaps not to be so biased.
      It should read the four stooge parties comment mostly on here.

      Now my rant is over.

    145. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan 12:30pm
      The Yard themselves are saying a recabling is the best technical option. That could be driven by the contractual obligations of the original contractor and the eventual recovery of costs. In a new cable installation you wouldn’t generally introduce junction boxes. For a new Ferry I would want clean cable runs. The Regs call for accessible junction boxes. Problematic in passenger areas. Plus introduces a future source of failure. High resistance joints are a potential fire hazard. There are consequences to these Ferry delays. I have just read a report that says the supermarket shelves are empty on the Isle of Lewis.

    146. James Che. says:

      Dorothy Devine.

      I have no idea.
      But this site used to fill the gap for a future alternative media for Scotland.

      Now we gossip about the same trivial nonsense as the old MSM do, taking our que from them.

      We have joined their mentality. Of small talk.

    147. Dorothy Devine says:

      James Che , I suppose there is truth in your comment – depressing though it is!

    148. James Che. says:

      Tannadice boy,

      It would be nice to talk about cables, fuel and ferries or school foundations after we have total control of them through gaining independence for Scotland first.

    149. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “Anyone know the circulation figures for the ‘Scottish’ press?

      I would love to know how many papers are sold by the Herald/National/Scotsman/Record /Press and Journal/Courier.”

      Most of Scottish media has withdrawn from Audit Bureau of Circulation figures. The only public stats for dailies are:

      Daily Record 76,000
      Scottish Daily Mail 51,000
      Press & Journal 30,000
      Courier 24,000
      Scottish Daily Express 23,000
      Daily Star 17,000
      Evening Express 13,000
      Scotsman 10,000
      Evening Telegraph 8,000
      Financial Times 8,000
      Daily Mirror 5,000

      Less than 1.5% of the population now buys the Record.

    150. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      Sort who runs Scotland before what runs on rail tracks and how the sea is crossed to the islands.
      For none of these are controllable or solvable by a devolved government under the control and linked financial status of funding to Westminster.

      And yes it would become British rail network if we do not do independence first.

    151. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “It feels like labour and the snp run this site.”

      Don’t blame the symptom for the disease.

    152. James Che. says:

      Rev Stu,

      You will note my correction before your response comment.

      I am not going to creep or apologise for maintaining my view that this site was the only Scottish alternative media

    153. wee monkey says:

      Karen says:
      7 February, 2022 at 3:11 pm
      Quote:- Sadly the care sector is often not caring, and when staff raise concerns no one who is meant to be regulating things is interested. So called grievances and whistleblowing gets you (caring staff) nothing but extra stress. ”

      Actually it gets you blacklisted [around local agencies] and falsely accused/reported by management to SSSC. ERA 18 months later No case to answer and no further action.

      Now try finding employment.

    154. Ron Maclean says:

      @James Che.

      You obviously don’t live on the islands. We can’t waste more time dreaming of independence while ‘lifeline’ services are provided by ageing ferries managed by incompetent landlubbers.

      The ferry services exemplify Scotland. Everything of importance being ignored while fools and charlatans avoid scrutiny by focussing attention on mindless, damaging trivia.

      Inaction has spread through Scotland like the corruption it encourages. There’s no use pointing the finger at individuals. There’s a collective failure to recognise the destruction of our country and an inability to find a way to put things right.

    155. Republicofscotland says:

      “THE Liberal Democrats have been slammed for spreading “misinformation” by claiming their party leader is the “most popular” in Scotland.”

      This is comedy gold Cole-Hamilton is as popular as a turd in a swimming pool.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19917575.libdems-alex-cole-hamilton-popularity-claim-slammed-misinformation%2F

    156. Republicofscotland says:

      James Che 1.38pm.

      I agree to a point there James, but Sturgeon could do a helluva lot better than she’s doing especially when it comes to ferry services in Scotland.

      A few weeks ago over on Iain Lawsons blog, a guy who is Scottish and builds ferries for countries all over the world offered to help the Scottish government get its ferry services fitting fit, he never heard back from them, its typical of the Scottish government/SNP under Sturgeons tenure.

      For Sturgeon its my way or the highway as they say, the sooner we get her out of Bute House the better.

    157. Republicofscotland says:

      “land tax is ideal for that. It can raise a great deal of revenue without raising it from people’s incomes or expenditure, but directly from the wealthy landowners who have gained from increasing land values without paying any tax on it.”

      This is a good idea and it has been touted before, however there’s not a snowballs chance in hell of Sturgeon implementing it, she would be upsetting the establishment in Scotland if she did.

      The likes of Bennie Higgins, who worked for the Duke of Buccleuch, and who now works for Sturgeon on an Advisory Group on Economic Recovery, Higgins is the groups chair, makes no mention in their finding on land tax.

      Like independence, land tax is great idea but neither will ever see the light of day under Sturgeons tenure as FM.

      https://www.gov.scot/news/working-towards-economic-recovery/

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F19915918.land-tax-benefit-majority-brought-without-delay%2F

    158. Joyce Flett says:

      I’m glad to see this. My aunt does not agree with this either.

    159. Gordon Currie says:

      If you want a glimpse of Scotland in the not-to-distant future under Sturgeon and her acolytes, just watch Brigadoon

    160. James Che. says:

      Ron Maclean,

      I used to live over there, our doctor could only visit in the summer, as he used to travel by canoe to his patients.

    161. James Che. says:

      Ron Maclean.

      I remenber when my brother split his scalp while playing,
      My mother tying his hair on each side of his split together in place of stitches,
      And when my other brother broke his arm my mother sewn his sleeve to his jacket for a sling.

      By the time his hair grew the scalp had healed, she simply cut his hair.
      I am not saying this is appropriate in 2022.

      we had no food delivery vans, we grew our own, or went fishing, or shell fish hunting. had our own hens and sheep or goats.
      When someone had a baby every woman with experience helped. Or any one with a resemblance or medical history.

      But seriously we seem to have become a soft pampered nation.

    162. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.
      I could not agree more with you, NS has to go,
      But all the snp whom sit on their hands have to go if they no longer represent us.

      The problem in Scotland is the same as it is in England, there is no opposition.

      All the parties are both sides of the border are equal in their inequality.
      The devolved government itself in its creation goes against the treaty of the union articles.

      Our Scots law has become embedded in the British Supreme Court as overseer to what we can do in Scots Law through the crown and the devolved government in Scotland,

      Our finances are encumbered by the Barnett formula, and the devolved government is
      by passed in levelling up by money going direct to favoured Scottish councils of Westminster.

      I agree with you again on land tax,
      And of corse this is stipulated as part of the treaty of the union articles

    163. twathater says:

      James I have respect for your posts and comments but as a lot of us don’t read the newspapers some people’s links have the benefit of bringing items to folks attention , we ALL know what has to be done to gain independence but at this point in time we are ALL powerless , we have discussed colonialism , the TOU , GRA , WASPI women , history of the clans and many other things which you have also contributed widely to, they may not get us independence but they may educate others to support a change of mind .
      The ferry fiasco exposes and greatly illuminates the gross incompetence and ineptitude we have at the heart of our govt and it is imperative that people are made aware of that AND the impact it will not only have on islanders but also to taxpayers who are having to fork out more hard earned money to bail sturgeon and her parasites out of another mess

      People have been coming and going from WOS for years and we have had more than our share of disrupters, trolls and fake indy supporters but we have always remained , my personal opinion is that the reason many former posters don’t comment is due to Stuart only occasionally posting a new topic it doesn’t mean people are not visiting it just means they are not commenting , so Stu how are the visiting numbers

    164. Dorothy Devine says:

      Rev Stu , thank you for the information – it made me smile!

    165. Dan says:

      @ Tannadice Boy

      Aye, in a perfect world… well, everything would be perfect.
      You make valid points with regard to contractual obligations and potential electrical issues that may arise.

      That said, if the initial design is good then it’s unlikely any of the big high current cabling would be run through passenger areas, instead it will be in service areas or running in trays and ducts where only the maintenance crews have access to.
      It’s a good workout python wrestling long 2 inch armoured cables when installing this sort of kit into position.
      The systems I worked on had multiple junction boxes.
      440v 3 phase feed to control van, then numerous transformers to convert incoming supply to what was required in our system.
      These transformers often had internal bridge pieces on winding tappings that could be put in various configurations to optimise end of line supply for what was required, and account for voltage drop / current increase over whatever the length of the outgoing cable was.
      When you are putting several kilometers of 3 phase 3000v into the sea this matters.
      From the control van there was a deck lead that ran to a winch which had static and rotating junction boxes, these boxes could be pressure purged and explosion proof rated due to the areas they were sited.
      From the winch the umbilical wire would be connected either direct to an ROV, or a launchable garage structure for the ROV, the latter setup meant another two junction boxes in the garage system with a static and rotating boxes as per the winch, then a further end termination junction box on the ROV itself.
      These subsea boxes were oil filled and pressure compensated to around 10psi above whatever the pressure was at a given depth, this was to ensure that they wouldn’t implode or leak seawater into the boxes.
      The larger power wires in the system had Line Insulation Monitors which did as their name suggests and would trip should an issue arise.

      I’m a fussy critter when it comes to wiring, and pipework for that matter, but proper cable splicing and or a couple of extra suitably located junction boxes of the correct specification really shouldn’t cause too many extra problems if that would on balance save a lot of further time and money when compared to a complete refit.

      Sorry if folk think this chatter is not at all relevant. But for me it is as it highlights longstanding and understood basic principles and careful planning on how to plan and achieve a viable and decent end product.
      So for me, there are parallels of process we could emulate in the Indy movement.

    166. Robert Graham says:

      And the drumbeat starts again

      War War War

      How many times have ordinary people been fooled into believing we have a enemy and we must react and react now.

      Ok here’s the deal , the one’s that want to fight go right ahead boys let us know how you get on but don’t fkn involve ordinary people who are fed up to the back teeth of crazy psychos and bent fkn politicians who have been bought and paid for.

    167. Robert Graham says:

      MSPs being allowed £ 1500.00 for security ?

      What’s the saying “ When the government fear the people that’s democracy “

      Seems like a good idea let’s have some democracy then.

    168. Tannadice Boy says:

      Dan 7:38pm
      The ferries situation is feeding into the narrative of we are too poor, too stupid etc. So I also think it is relevant to the Independence debate. We have to find out and learn, why and what led to an overspend of 100 million. However being a sensitive soul I am checking out the debate for a couple of days. A great sporting weekend awaits. How about that for a change of topic.

    169. John Main says:

      @Republicofscotland says 11 February, 2022 at 4:08 pm

      “land tax is ideal for that. It can raise a great deal of revenue without raising it from people’s incomes or expenditure, but directly from the wealthy landowners who have gained from increasing land values without paying any tax on it.”

      Sounds great Republic, eh? As long as it’s just the “wealthy” landowners who pay.

      No doubt it will all be finagled so that nobody who ever scrimped and scraped to buy themselves a 1-bed semi will find themselves paying tax on the increase in the value of their house.

      Aye, right.

      Looks like you strayed from your natural habitat, Republic. If I want to read BTL comments on the lines “I think the problem should be solved by taxing other people but not me” I prefer the Guardian. They do it so much better there.

    170. Robert Graham says:

      Canadian judge ordered police to return confiscated fuel drums to truckers

      Yes good judgment

      But some fkr in the fascist administration made sure every single drum was contaminated with water.

      Don’t you just love them

      The Canadian state that seems to be trying to go a bit further than the Australian looney government ,are now sending cops to warn Facebook users who post support for the truckers that they could be guilty of incitement “ Thought Crime “ aye 1984 looks like a instruction manual for would be psychopath’s who are following it diligently and to the letter.

      The turd Trudoooo will be gone soon he stormed out of the Canadian parliament today after throwing a hissy fit

      Ain’t democracy a great idea when politicians are shittn themselves because people realise these arsewipes work for them and not the other way about and it scares the shit out of them

    171. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      “And the walls fell down…”

      The fightback against self-ID:-

      https://archive.is/TA1EV

    172. robbo says:

      We don’t need to take this crap- let’s hope the people rise against this abomination.

      Lets hope the walls come tumbling down

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhJkzW5els

    173. Hatuey says:

      John Main: “If I want to read BTL comments on the lines “I think the problem should be solved by taxing other people but not me” I prefer the Guardian.”

      Doesn’t ‘Rangers News’ have a comments section?

      I can’t imagine you’d be at home amongst The Guardian readership.

    174. Alf Baird says:

      ames Che. @ 1:02 pm

      We need to keep going on, and on, and on.

      The ferries fiasco, like every other UK-SG fiasco, is due to an imposed Anglophone cultural hegemony.

      Scots will figure it out. They have to. Else they will perish.

    175. Ottomanboi says:

      Be afraid, be very afraid…
      https://www.rt.com/news/549093-sam-brinton-woke-biden/
      This specimen could end up in the White House…..nuke the LGBT…XYZ phobes!
      Makes Scotland look a haven of reason.

    176. Looks like the group `Woman` for Independence has been captured by the transcult (prob for a long time)

      according to them `woman` includes men and if you disagree you are a transphobe and must be disciplined.

    177. Republicofscotland says:

      So the vile creature Michael Gove keeps dodging appearing at the Holyrood Finance Committee to discuss how his promise of levelling up, meeting EU funding that Scotland once received whilst in the EU that it receives no more.

      Gove promised to match the EU funding after Scotland was forced out of the EU in 2016,(and Sturgeon did nothing to save Scots) but like many Tory promises prior to the 2016 vote which most of where nothing more than hot air, the levelling up fund has not materlised and Gove continues to play hide and seek with the Holyrood committee.

      Why The SNP government believed a slimy snakes belly with a weasel face such as Gove I’ll never know, Tories cannot be trusted period.

    178. Republicofscotland says:

      Meanwhile MSPs will be given £2,500 pounds for security upgrades and access to software to identify threatening comments online, and Police Scotland will review security at their homes.

      I certainly don’t want to see violence perpetrated against our MSPs, things are beginning to move in the direction that our MSPs will become inaccessible, and less unaccountable who knows where this will lead in a Scotland that’s fast becoming an authoritarian state.

    179. Republicofscotland says:

      Stonewall and LGBT organisations write to the UN asking it to strip the EHCR of its independent status.

      “It came as leaked papers reported by Vice News suggest the EHRC was planning to publish guidance which would recommend blocking the estimated 99% of trans people without a gender recognition certificate (GRC) from accessing single-sex spaces.

      The Trans Legal Project said such a stance was “legally ludicrous”, calling the reported position “prejudiced, vindictive, and unworkable”.”

      It would appear the trans community who already have rights, are desperate to destroy the EHRC because they can’t get their way, at the expense of others.

      “The EHRC is adopting legal positions to allow for blanket discrimination against trans people on ideological grounds,” it added. However, the commission denied the report’s veracity.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19918536.former-ehrc-legal-directors-call-lose-independent-status-amid-trans-rights-row%2F

    180. Robert Hughes says:

      ” Brinton, who is a proud drag queen and “pup handler” – in other words, someone who leads gay men dressed in fetish gear around as they pretend to be dogs, before having sex with them – has been appointed to a high-ranking position in the Department of Energy’s Office of Nuclear Energy.”

      The Queerocracy is leading Rationality around in * bondage * kit as politicians pretend nothing is amiss .

      It’s all perfectly acceptable that predilections that should properly be confined to private lives and spaces- and laughed at in public ones- are now badges of honour offering great career-boosting opportunities for their adherents .

      Look at * Daddy Bear * for example , what explains his meteoric rise to prominence in NSNP position ?

      His impressive intellect , his judicious grasp of complex socio/political issues , his advocacy and defence of the generational poor

      His prioritising the struggle for Independence above all else ?

      Feel free to laugh at the latter .

      No , it appears the overriding prerequisite for advancement in NSNP is sexual orientation .

      The queerer the better

    181. James Che. says:

      All these issues matter in Scotland, I by misfortune have not lead an easy life,
      Life was also made unnecessarily harder by corruption within certain political parties sitting in power that assisted the corrupt councils.
      I have never done drugs and I never drank alcohol.

      Poverty and not having access to lawyers was my misfortune,

      No one has had a better insight than myself as to corruption and how it works to my detriment.

      But it is the fastest track to being a eye real opener for a focusing point on what needs to be done first and what priorities should hold first place.

      I started study the laws in a amateur fashion and have found many good pieces of advice here over the years with a lot of help from commentators.

      I do not mind people having a go at me, if it wakes them up to the fact the only two positions we can be in.

      I get rid of the squirrels, And I focus on the only two legal issues that are of primary importance.

      1) Are We in the international treaty of the union 1707 as a legality. Are we beholden to it?

      2) IF We are beholden to stay in the international treaty of the union 1707 then all its article apply.

      For what are all you and I here for if not to become independent as a country’s?
      What we do not no legally we learn,

    182. James Che. says:

      If we still do want to be independent,
      Then we must learn how to cater or look after ourselves on a more basic level, for some things may become difficult for a while, with
      Energy
      Food.
      Farming.
      Fuel.
      Medical.
      Digital.
      Telephones.
      Etc etc.

      I do not see the other half of the treaty making the separation a breeze for us, and it will scare many people.
      The more self sufficient we become the less of an impact it will have on us.

      I do not agree with all Dans posts politically, ( sorry Dan) but he has the right idea on learning how to live without being attached to a functioning government for a while.
      So we can be there for each other if independence comes.

      I do apologise if difference between reality and dreaming is difficult to comprehend.
      But the opposition will purposely make it difficult.

      I do not take lightly that BJ thinks it fun to exterminate Scots, he was not the first,
      And the Gove and browns before him.
      The duke of Sutherland before him.
      And the Hammer of the Scots before him.

      Like I said we have become a soft nation in modern times.
      And I am with you all that we do not wish to physically fight.
      So let us apply law And legalities.

    183. James Che. says:

      Excuse jumble of words
      I find being dyslexic with writing difficult, however it does not affect my ability to read legal documents and study law, when I take my time.

      And I have spent over ten years doing so.

    184. James Che. says:

      Treaty of the union:
      Articles 8– 14:

      Scotland has to abide by the articles and so does England.

      We have to have the Taxes Mentioned in the Treaty.

      Scotland will have Land Tax.

    185. James Che. says:

      Domestic legislation or statues cannot be imposed on the articles of the 1707 international treaty.

    186. James Che. says:

      In law,

      Domestic legislation or statues cannot be imposed on the articles of the 1707 international treaty afterwards

    187. James Che. says:

      International Treaty of the union 1707………: climate change?
      Articles 8— 14.

      Scotland will be TAXED on coal, coal dust and cinders.

      It does not state we will be TAXED ON OIL! GAS, WIND, WATER OR WOOD.

    188. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Link for live coverage of Paris march/demo:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzsgFW8yyZo

    189. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 5.31 pm

      “….my personal opinion is that the reason many former posters don’t comment is due to Stuart only occasionally posting a new topic it doesn’t mean people are not visiting it just means they are not commenting…”

      I’m sure the winding down of WoS and paucity of new content is probably the biggest factor. Few of us really blamed Stu for deciding he had better things to do, and his prediction that for the next few years the game probably isn’t worth the candle has proven to be right. Scots electors had their chance to accelerate things at the last Holyrood election and when it mattered, they bottled it…again.

      If you look at the other remaining pro-indy sites – non of whom I imagine attract even a fraction of WoS’s numbers even in its current fairly moribund state – few if any have much going on. Most are lucky if they get a handful of replies to posts, still less the kind of discussions we were used to BTL here back in the day. Wee Ginger Dug’s site can muster a hundred to two comments, but it’s a Sturgeonite echo chamber, dominated by a claque of ultra loyalists who haven’t noticed the Empress has no clothes.

      I’m sure folk, including many who used to be regulars, still visit to see if there’s anything new happening but mostly folk have wandered off to do other things until there’s something happening that actually matters. Diverting as some appear to find stream of consciousness comments about “the Treaties of Union can be dissolved and other cunning plans” or how “Covid is a hoax” or that “we’re doomed because Scotland really is a colony don’t you know”, its not content that has universal appeal.

      Perhaps things really do have to get worse before they get better? I’d always been instinctively suspicious of that line of argument before: I honestly believed we could win the argument, gain a majority and achieve independence. Yet here we are, still more or less in the same place we were on 19/09/2014.

      Maybe folk aren’t commenting because there’s nothing more to say? Some are probably still using Twatter, a minority are dipping their toe in to GETTR despite misgivings about its “alt-rightyness”.

      Sadly the various sections of the indy movement appear for the most part to be talking past one another. The pre-2014 Big Tent hasn’t just collapsed, it’s been burnt to the ground. The question remains whether a new “joint enterprise” amongst different pro-indy groups can actually deliver, whether via another referendum (unlikely IMHO), plebiscitary elections, or some other route.

      I read a lot from certain commenters on here assuring us there is such an “other route”, but so far nary a one has adequately explained how it is organised, how it demonstrates majority support, and most importantly how it secures international recognition. I have a suspicion that’s because they haven’t a scooby what they’re talking about, but will happily eat humble pie when they deliver.I won’t be holding my breath tho’.

    190. James Che. says:

      International Treaty of the union 1707:

      Rules of Trade.

      Article 15:

      The new British Parliament to invest in promoting the Fishing industry. The manufacture of coarse wool,
      And OTHER INDUSTRIES ( in ) Scotland.

    191. James Che. says:

      Ian brotherhood,.

      Thanks for the link.

      I have been following all the citizens, people and public protests around the globe. There is deep unrest with politicians everywhere.

      There is talk of pulling the plug on certain media outlets so people cannot commicate with each other,

      This would further instil the belief with people around the world that our governments are no longer acting with democracy.
      And are subduing free speech.

      Not a good move if governments want the people to follow and believe in them.

    192. Republicofscotland says:

      Andy Ellis @2.08pm.

      I think you are getting me confused with someone else, I didn’t write anything along the lines of what you’ve copied and pasted, nor have I penned a 5.31pm comment.

    193. Hatuey says:

      If Nicola Sturgeon managed to achieve indyref2, would you forgive and forget all the other stuff (like the Salmond stitch-up) and throw your heart into it?

    194. James Che. says:

      People are rebelling in England as well.
      Scotland seems to be one of the last.

      Although quite a few Scots do comment or donate to these protests around the world I notice.
      So perhaps some have woken up.

      I also see louder and louder calls for investigations and inquiries to be held something akin to the Nuremberg trials on the covid issues.

      Some countries have already begun these inquires and investigations and are quite well on.

    195. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 2.45 pm

      Apologies, the original quote from twathater….I got the right time, but wrong author.

    196. James Che. says:

      Who I wonder would ever think that Article 15) in the treaty of the union was followed by Maggie Thatcher,
      or is being adhered to by the present British Parliament before, during and after the EU.

    197. James Che. says:

      I wonder how many Scottish households are happy with a carbon tax applied to them when it is not in the treaty of the union as a mentioned Tax.

    198. Republicofscotland says:

      “Speaking this week, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon pledged to do “everything in her power” to give Scots the chance to vote on the country’s future in 2023.”

      More heat than light from Sturgeon as we get closer to the council elections.

      The everything in her power quote opens the door for Sturgeon blame Westminster if there’s no indyref, you can read Sturgeon’s woeful tactics like a book.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19919865.scottish-independence-greens-snp-create-joint-prospectus-2023-vote%2F

    199. James Che. says:

      How many businesses and industries had investment ploughed into them from the British parliament during covid in Scotland compared to investment in big companies out with Scotland. Or are the Scottish business only getting loans.

    200. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 2.51pm

      Into the campaign? In a heartbeat.

      Into the Sturgeonite vision of what the early days of a Better Nation should look like? Hell no.

    201. Republicofscotland says:

      Sturgeon seems to be a regular at these marches, unlike indy marches, which she avoids like the plague, even though she’s the leader of a party set up to obtain Scottish independence.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19919369.glasgow-pride-announces-new-hub-2022-event-programme%2F

    202. James Che. says:

      How many businesses and industries had investment ploughed into them from the British parliament during covid in Scotland compared to investment in big companies out with Scotland. Or are the Scottish business only getting loans rather than investment according to article 15, international treaty of the union?

    203. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      Perhaps the funding and investment for industries like railways and ferries should be paid for by the British parliament according to Article 15: international treaty of the union 1707.

    204. James Che. says:

      Perhaps the farmers with sheep should have money promised from the British government according to Article 15:

    205. Republicofscotland says:

      This is interesting and I can see his point of view, afterall Sturgeon is a f*ck-up, maybe that’s her plan to f*ck it up.

      “NICOLA Sturgeon is hopelessly “ill-prepared” for an independence referendum and shouldn’t even try to have one next year, a former deputy leader of the SNP has said.”

      “Jim Sillars said “delusion” dominated the SNP-Green administration, and its shortcomings had left the Yes movement lacking the material it needed for victory.”

      “He said the “mediocrity” and “crass incompetence” of the Scottish Government meant it was simply incapable of producing a winning prospectus for leaving the UK.”

      “There will be an Indyref2, but in 2023? I hope not,” he said.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fpolitics%2F19919378.incompetent-nicola-sturgeon-not-ready-indyref2-warns-former-snp-deputy-jim-sillars%2F

    206. James Che. says:

      Perhaps the of Scottish fishing industry having to scrap their boats few years ago, was illegal according to Article 15.: international treaty of the union 1707.

    207. James Che. says:

      I will leave now to walk the dogs,

      But hope those here with the thoughts of how industries in Scotland are being scrapped, while according to the treaty of the union they should be invested in.

      How carbon, and green Taxes do not apply to Scotland specifically according to the Treaty of the Union articles.

    208. Andy Ellis says:

      For those wondering why lots of commenters have given up on this place, the posting of endless brain farts relating to the 1707 Treaty of Union would be a good place to start.

      Mercifully I see we’ve started with Article 15 not Article 1.

    209. Republicofscotland says:

      A interesting and informative article by Kenny MacAskill.

      “As Scotland awaits Nicola Sturgeon’s mythical “gold-plated” second referendum bill, it’s relevant when she’s reduced to saying she’ll do everything she can, within her power, to try and achieve it. Meanwhile Westminster remains intransigent.”

      “It’s of interest to Scotland as there was no Canadian sector 30 order equivalent giving approval for the referendum by federal authorities. Instead, after several years of constitutional impasse – sounds familiar, doesn’t it – Quebec’s premier and Parti Quebecois leader Jacques Parizeau used his election mandate and majority government in 1994 to call a referendum on sovereignty.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scotsman.com%2Fnews%2Fopinion%2Fcolumnists%2Fscottish-independence-why-quebecs-1995-referendum-shows-nationalists-a-way-forward-kenny-macaskill-mp-3559754

    210. Hatuey says:

      I’m with Jim Sillars, Andy Ellis… I hope it doesn’t happen whilst Sturgeon is at the helm of the SNP. As I’ve said many times, nobody likes her. She’d lose it for sure. It truly would be the end.

      And I really don’t know who would go out on the streets canvassing for independence if she somehow wangled indyref2 — trans activists? A significant number of Yes grassroots people have thrown in the towel and are sitting in the background raging at her.

      I’m not sure if they’re saying it for dramatic effect, but a lot of indy people I know say they’d vote against independence if she was still SNP leader. They seem to mean it. When asked to explain, the same thing comes up over and over — the thought of Sturgeon with more power scares the life out of them.

      If Boris had more sense, he’d give her a section 30.

    211. Ruby says:

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fsport%2F19911144.hugh-macdonald-footballers-role-models-dont-daft%2F

      I thought this was an interesting article about ‘footballers as role models’

      I agree footballers as role models is a daft idea.

      I will admit that I don’t know much about football especially not about ‘Raith Rovers’ so I may have missed the fact that this club is one of those religious organisation where all the supporters & players are ‘holier than thou’. Their idea that players are role models sounds like a pathetic excuse for their highly judgemental behaviour.

      There seem to be more & more of these ‘vigilante groups’ popping up here in Scotland all gaining the approval of Nicola Sturgeon.

    212. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 3.59 pam

      I think you can relax. Barring some political earthquake (possible but hardly likely) there is zero prospect of Sturgeon or the current SNP delivering a referendum anytime, still less by the end of 2023. I disagree that another loss – however heartsick it would leave many of us – would truly be the end. That’s a huge hostage to fortune: only the Scots people decide when and how often we get to exercise our self determination, or how that is done. Any self respecting people which can’t assert and enforce that simple truth isn’t ready for independence and probably doesn’t deserve it either.

      Pace the Kenny MacAskill article referred to by RoS at 3.41 pm, I’m afraid the SNP isn’t the Parti Quebecois, nor is Imelda McSelfie of the same stuff as Jacques Parizeau. Our problem is that unless and until the puss filled boil of Sturgeonism is lanced, the independence movement is still wedded to the Gold Standard S30 sanctioned indyref route. the only way to change that is for rank and file SNP members to politically defenestrate the FM and her hingers-on, or for Alba to hold the balance of power in a future Holyrood parliament and force the devolutionist SNP to get real. Ah hae ma doots on that!

      I agree WRT to your summation about who is going to canvass and campaign. I’d find it impossible to work shoulder to shoulder with folk in the SNP and Greens who are fully paid up Sturgeon loyalists, “TWAW and no debate” types, but I don’t think that’d be necessary because I don’t see any future indyref being a re-run of #indyref1. The spirit of the 2012-14 Yes campaign has been diminishing for a while, but the SNP have conspired to drive a stake through its heart.

      Nonetheless, there isn’t going to be a referendum as Rev Stu keeps reminding us, so we can cease to worry about it and plan for something else. I’m for the plebiscitary election route personally: I’m unconvinced the quasi Quebecois consultative referendum route is feasible, but even if it was Imelda is as likely to deliver that as she is to turn up to her next news conference with an SNP tote bag containing £600K in cash for #indyref2.

    213. James Che. says:

      Do not look at the international 1707 treaty of the union, Scots people.

      Do not read the articles of the International 1707 treaty of the union Scots people.

      Do not hold it in any kind of esteem Scots people

      Do not read them out of order or in order Scots people.

      Do not read article15) first as 1) first as this is binding, Scots people.

      Do not read the International treaty of the union at all Scots people

      To mention It is a brain fart.

      Or is it?

      What worries those that says this International 1707 treaty of the union should not be looked at or followed?

      What worries those that deflect us away from the historical International 1707 treaty of the union?

      Why do they ( wish for us not ) to go over the binding small details as if they were crooked solicitors?

      Why do they want the Scots to ignore the very thing that binds the Scotland to England.?

      What are we missing that the same section of people discourage closer inspection of the small print?

      This has roused curiosity further.

    214. North chiel says:

      “ Andy Ellis says 0421 pm “ plebiscitary election is the route” entirely agree . How straightforward could this be? Sturgeon sets a deadline for Bojo to “ agree” to a referendum by a certain date , failing which she would resign her government and go down this route .However, she has previously cleared demonstrated that she has not got “ the guts” to CONFRONT this vile WESTMINSTER government .

    215. Andy Ellis says:

      @North chiel 5.16pm

      Well indeed….devolutionists gonna devolutionise I reckon?

      The fly in the ointment is Imelda McSelfie and her coterie. The SNP is (for better or worse) totally in hock to the FM’s cabal which appears to be composed of an unholy alliance of grey suited, managerial neo-lib devolusionists still punting the centre-right Andrew Wilson Growth Commission damp squib, and candy floss haired misogynistic cadres of the mens rights movement waving their TWAW banners and calling for Joanna cherry to be burned at the stake.

      The SNP are happy in their devolutionary cul-de-sac, frantically pretending there IS an exit. It a trivial choice in their view between semi-permanent access to the fruits of Holyrood and Westminster sinecures or betting the farm on plebiscitary elections and confrontation with the British nationalist establishment.

    216. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Link to live coverage of Ambassador Bridge blockade:

      twitter.com/search?q=ambassador%20bridge&src=typed_query&f=live

    217. Alf Baird says:

      James Che. @ 4:54 pm

      “Why do they want the Scots to ignore the very thing that binds the Scotland to England.?”

      Indeed, and that would also be the very same Treaty of Union which is the only thing that has protected the status and privileges of the Scottish Justiciary over the past 300+ years. If the Treaty has no status then neither do they.

    218. Hatuey says:

      Without comment.

      “New study: 133x risk of myocarditis after COVID vaccination”
      https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238

    219. Chas says:

      James Che

      Do us all a favour and stop your continual posts about a treaty that is over 300 years old. Who do you think is going to anything about any divergence from it. The SNP? You are boring us to death.

    220. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The problem is that a lot of people don’t understand that The Treaty of Union (1707) is what constitutes the UK. It is still an effective Treaty – although it has been breached by one of the partners on numerous occasions.
      It’s time our “Scottish management” realised that the door to independence is ajar and all it needs is a push.

    221. Hatuey says:

      Chas, you’ve just convinced James Che of 2 things;

      1) she’s on to something really important, bigger than Watergate.

      2) there’s a huge conspiracy to stop us discussing all that Treaty stuff and you’re a British agent of some sort involved in that conspiracy.

      You’ll see. You’ve no idea what sort of crackpots you’re dealing with on here. Why do you think I started sniffing glue again at the age of 52?

    222. Andy Ellis says:

      @Brian 9.31 pm

      No Brian, Chas is right. It’s time a few obsessive compulsives stopped boring the shit out of everyone else and took their weird fixation with 300 year old treaties somewhere else. Achieving independence isn’t going to be done on the back of proving some imagined breach.

      Those getting their panties in a bunch about the Treaties of union are like the folk claiming to know the intimacies of the Schleswig Holstein conflict….nobody really cares, nor is it directly relevant to the issues at hand.

    223. Dan says:

      I note we have now reached the imagined breaches stage…

      So since this wonderful “equal” Union’s inception over 300 years ago, that never politically corrected population growth disparity between the two “united” Kingdoms that facilitated the Kingdom of England to grow from approximately 5 to 10 times the population size of the Kingdom of Scotland, with all the economic advantages that gave the KoE, is just a figment of one’s imagination.

    224. James Che. says:

      Alf Baird
      .
      Thanks for some enlightenment, I thought you may be one of the people that may have an answer,..

      It does not go without notice the same section of people are asking us not to look to closely at a 300 year old treaty.
      Has it passed its sell by date?

      It makes you wonder if the treaty is valid in 2022.?

      Was it never binding from 300 years ago to today’s date.?

      Are we in a treaty or has it been altered so much over 300 years that it no longer stands the test?

      Why are they pointing to “look squirrel “ referendums or elections only options in the carrot dangling future?

      It needs further investigation fo sure.

    225. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @James Che –

      Presumably, the same people who decry any discussion of the ‘Treaty’ (because it’s so unbelievably ancient) have the same mindset as Dubya Bush, who dismissed the US Constitution as ‘a goddamned piece of paper’.

    226. James Che. says:

      I think the grassroots of Scots care,
      I think the true independence Scots care.

      I think fishermen and wool farmers might care…. ( Mentioned in the treaty of the union.)

      And I think those that pay 25% green taxes on their energy bills might care…… ( Not mentioned in the treaty of the union.

      I think those that pay council tax may care…… (not mentioned in the treaty of the union

      Those whom pay road and vehicle tax might care……( Not Mentioned in the Treaty of the Union.

      People whom own money to inland revenue might care……( Not Mentioned in the Treaty of the Union.

      Those whom paid oil and gas taxes at petrol stations in Scotland might care………( Not Mentioned in the Treaty of the Union.

      The people whom know Scots law was to remain in Scotland as independent from…….( uk law, /Great Britain Law.

      Those that have a devolved government in Scotland might care…….( one Parliament for Great Britain…..( Mentioned in the treaty of the union.

      For all those above that pay for taxes not wrote into any articles in the treaty of the union might care.

      And those whom know that uk legislation and domestic taxes statues cannot override an International Treaty

      IT may not be so boring to those people above in Scotland to read up on what the articles of the 1707 treaty of union actually says if it is beneficial to themselves.

    227. Alf Baird says:

      James Che. @ 11:11 pm

      “It makes you wonder if the treaty is valid in 2022.?”

      Fact is, most of England’s former colonies were each handed a bonny wee treaty by their London rulers, nae doot tae mak thaim natives aw feel wantit and vailyed; Scotland is nae different. Most if not all of these treaties were violated and hence worthless, which explains why former colonies quite rightly took their independence. While most colonies have since decolonised, some Scots think they are different, as in not a colony. Its not a question of validity of a treaty; rather, its quite obvious that Perfidious Albion’s treaties (Brexit included) are not worth the paper they are written on. Some Scots (of a certain cultural mindset) actually still believe they are in a ‘union’ of some sort – even after 300+ years of colonial and cultural subjugation and displacement of three million+ Scots. Indeed, they still call themselves ‘unionists’. How deluded is that?

    228. Hatuey says:

      Kicking away the chair…

    229. robbo says:

      Maybe Ellis Hautey and Chas call tell us what parts or articles no longer MATTER?

      There’s absolute heaps of info on this so-called irrelevant treaty that the three musketeer’s think is irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

      Here’s the brief summary of what’s actually in them.

      https://www.scottishhistory.org/resources/treaty-of-union/

      Maybe they can tell us what parts the Proddies will be happy with and what parts the Tims will be happy with and what parts the neutrals are fine with now that these three have declared the treaty to be irrelevant and nowt to worry about?

      I can assure them Articles 1 and 2 which we would call today a piece of bigoted nonsense means a hellava lot the the ultra loyalists in Scotland and NI.

      GET RID OF THEM and the rest falls apart.

      It doesn’t matter Queen Lizzie the three wise men have declared it so!- You are no more. – LMAO

      .

    230. stuart mctavish says:

      Ian Brotherhood @2:01pm

      Hopefully someone smarter than I can forward a clip of the incident that occurs at 9 hours and 2 minutes to the FM/ Val MacD for comment before the French game.

      Needless to say, unlike many (including perhaps the young girl’s family), all involved in the violation will have received full salary and overtime in respect of their service during the last couple of years.

    231. John Main says:

      Andy Ellis

      Welcome back (again).

      You’ve got to remember that when some deluded f**ckwit posts the written equivalent of last night’s vindaloo on here, and you post a response, tearing them a new one, that your true audience is not the author of the steaming abomination.

      It is the silent majority of the readers that you refer to.

      For that reason, the fight is a worthwhile one.

    232. John Main says:

      @Hatuey says 12 February, 2022 at 8:17 pm

      Without comment.

      “New study: 133x risk of myocarditis after COVID vaccination”
      https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238

      If you want to backpedal on your previous stance that the “unvaxxed should f**k off and die”, then show some guts.

      Don’t just post sneaky wee links and then creep away. State that you may have been a bit over hasty to toe the establishment line. Accept that free Scots do indeed have rights over their own bodies, as do free people everywhere.

      Say you are sorry and will try harder in future.

      Person up, Hatuey.

    233. Ruby says:

      ‘nobody really cares, nor is it directly relevant to the issues at hand.’

      What are the issues at hand?

    234. Grouser says:

      I revert to the original article on the dangers posed to vulnerable people by the failure of those charged with safeguarding these people and more generally the harm being done to women by those who back the demands of the trans community at the expense of the existing rights of women. I came across this article, referring to the English NHS, and found it disturbing to say the least. I haven’t come across anything similar relating to Scotland, but given the Scottish Government’s attitude it can only be a matter of time before the same thing happens here.

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/10/nurses-sacked-speaking-transgender-patients-single-sex-wards/

    235. Ruby says:

      “No Brian, Chas is right. It’s time a few obsessive compulsives stopped boring the shit out of everyone else and took their weird fixation with 300 year old treaties somewhere else.”

      This is a very weird request! Who decides what should be posted here on Wings?

      I do believe that the poster making this request has said in the past that if you don’t like what he posts you don’t have to read it.
      My advice to this poster and the imagined ‘silent majority’ of readers would be something similar.

      What is the aim of this bully? Why is he looking to reduce the number of people posting on Wings?

    236. Ruby says:

      John Main says:

      It is the silent majority of the readers that you refer to.

      What gives you the idea that there is a ‘silent majority’ of people reading the stuff being posted BTL here on Wings?

      deluded f**ckwit?

    237. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/xe5Ly

      Grouser I archived your link because it was behind a paywall.

      1. All the same things might be going on in Scotland but we’re not hearing about it.

      or

      2. Scots are just happily accepting all the changes and agree that ‘self-id’ will not cause any problems.

    238. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ian B 11.17 pm

      Well no, because the US Constitution and the Treaties of Union are not the same. Scotland could have a constitution of its own and also be a republic of course, but only if the majority of its people grow a pair and vote for it to happen.

      The idea that ill-informed and often barely coherent discussion about the 300 year old Treaties by armchair experts in here brings us a scintilla closer to indy is strictly for the birds, but only to be expected given the MO of some of those doing it.

    239. Andy Ellis says:

      @John Main 7.59 am

      It’s a sair fecht right enough, but somebody has to do it. As you say, it always amuses me when the roasters try to try and wrap themselves in the flag of being the silent majority, when the man and woman in the street would find their hot takes as outlandish as you and I often do.

    240. Ruby says:

      “Scotland could have a constitution of its own and also be a republic of course, but only if the majority of its people grow a pair and vote for it to happen.”

      How do we vote for it to happen?

      What should we be discussing BTL here on Wings to make it happen?

      How often should we be repeating the same thing?

    241. Grouser says:

      Thanks Ruby. I hope more people read this. I’ve had recent experience of the Southern General in Glasgow and the RAH in Paisley. The Southern is single rooms but the RAH has small wards. I would not like to burden the absolutely wonderful staff with making such a decision on top of their medical decisions.
      It seems at the moment that Trans activists can demand what they like and any attempt at discussion is shouted down and totally unfounded accusations made against people doing a job or expressing an opinion.
      There is no discussion possible with the Scottish government. I expressed concern about them seeming to ignore public opinion and got a standard response which seems to be sent in response to any comment on the subject.
      They cite the public consultuation which was carried out, but when I looked at it it had few if any responses from private individuals; it was predominently made up of responses from Youth and Student groups, LGBTQ+ groups; and religious groups. On balance the pro-immediate, full trans rights groups were in the majority and this is what the government seems to be citing when they talk about ‘majority support’ for their policies. They have not taken into account individuals writing to them or the many Opinion Polls which show little support for the stance of the Scottish Government.
      I’m worried for the future of vulnerable groups in Scotland at the hands of the present Scottish Government.
      No votes SNP from me. (And I never thought I would say that.)

    242. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      13 February, 2022 at 9:45 am
      @John Main 7.59 am

      It’s a sair fecht right enough, but somebody has to do it. As you say, it always amuses me when the roasters try to try and wrap themselves in the flag of being the silent majority, when the man and woman in the street would find their hot takes as outlandish as you and I often do.

      Have you ‘self-ided’ as the moderator of this site?

      Do you really believe there are 100s of people (the silent majority) reading your BTL comments?

    243. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 9.12am

      “This is a very weird request! Who decides what should be posted here on Wings?”

      Why is it a weird request? Presumably you’d accept that Rev Stu is the ultimate arbiter of what should be posted on here. If he thinks an individual is being disruptive enough he will take action. We all know he is slow to do so, and pretty permissive, as experience with the disruptive eejit Cameron Brodie demonstrated some 12 months ago. Similarly, why is it weird for some posters to complain about another they see as obsessively over-posting and being monomaniacal?

      As we’ve seen there are some in here who just love James Che and insist his brian farts smell of roses, but that doesn’t make it true, nor does it change the fact that (at least in the view of many) he’s adding little or nothing of value that couldn’t be said in one comment rather than his usual 10.

      “What is the aim of this bully? Why is he looking to reduce the number of people posting on Wings?”

      I’m not bullying anyone Ruby. I’m as entitled to make a contribution as you, or James Che or anyone else, unless and until Rev Stu says otherwise. I’m not trying to reduce the number of people posting here, I’m pointing out that *some* contributions, like those of James Che in particular, ARE serving to do so though.

      You are onaturally free to disagree with my assessment. I’d much prefer it if BTL comments were of the quality and volume they were in the “good old days”, not the bin fire they so often are now. The responsibility for that lies with folk like yourself of course, who lack the self awareness to see they’re the rhetorical equivalent of chimps throwing their own shit at folk they don’t like and are about as pleasant.

    244. Hatuey says:

      James Che has been posting 200 incoherent comments per day about the Treaty of Union for the last couple of months. Nobody “whom” disregards how others might feel about that has any right to complain about anything others might type.

      Being a liberal intellectual genius-type leader of men who likes to set an example, I’m inclined to be pretty tolerant on freedom of bullshit issues. But what James Che does is technically “flooding”, a well-know technique for disrupting debate in chat rooms etc., and it makes it difficult for us to see what other geniuses are saying.

      It’s dishonest to defend that on the basis that it serves some useful purpose; and any relevance the point James Che had was destroyed when James Che made it 2 million times.

      John Main, it isn’t and can’t be contradictory or wrong to follow the science, even if the science itself appears to be contradictory or wrong from time to time. Get with the program.

    245. Ruby says:

      Grouser says:
      13 February, 2022 at 9:53 am
      Thanks Ruby. I hope more people read this.

      It doesn’t seem to be an issue that is of much interest BTL here on Wings.

      Stu on the other hand has always been very interested and he continues to highlight these issues on GETTR.

      Do you think the issue of self-id is of more concern to women than men?

      Could it be it’s almost never discussed BTL on Wings because there are almost no women posting here?

    246. Grouser says:

      There are at least three groups who are working on a Scottish Constitution including https://constitutionforscotland.scot
      all of whom are being resolutely ignored by the Scottish Government. They don’t seem to be interested in preparing Scotland for Independence.
      I think our only way of getting their attention is at the ballot box. At the upcoming Council elections I intend to spoil my ballot paper if there is no Alba candidate by writing ‘The SNP do not want Independence. I do.’ or something similar. The candidates see the spoiled papers and can draw their own conclusions.

    247. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 9.55 am

      Ruby, try to interact with what people actually say, not what the wee voices in your head whisper to you alter ego huh? Wipe the spittle from your eyes and try to interact with people like an ordinary person, not the clueless harridan you generally come across as on here. I haven’t self ID’d as the moderator of this site. The Rev Stu is – as far as I’m aware – the only moderator. Those of us who have been posting here a while know that he uses a fairly light touch, as is his prerogative.

      I have no idea how many people are reading the BTL comments: Rev Stu can doubtless enlighten us on traffic figures is he sees fit. FWIW I certainly do believe that my views DO represent those of the silent majority, certainly much more so than those of some of the basket of deplorables infesting BTL comments in here these days.

      If you honestly think the general public are behind the coterie of anti-vaxxers, ethnic nationalists and shills for Putin who unselfconsciously describe the USA as the Great Satan you’re even more detached from reality than I already assumed. That said, nobody is stopping you posting, or bullying you.

      There are limits however, as even Cameron Brodie found out when he pushed Rev Stu too far early last year. From memory, I recall Stu already fired a warning shot across James Che’s bow some time ago. Sadly it appears to have done little good. It’s not bullying him. or denying him his free speech to point out that his contributions are derailing threads (such as they are in recent times). And yes. in general I would just scroll past the brain farts, but when it gets to the point there is little else BUT wall to wall circle jerking about the Treaty of Union, it’s hardly a surprise folk give up and go elsewhere.

    248. Ruby says:

      Hautey & Ellis ganging up on James Che!

      They want to go back to the good old days of Wings when Cameron Brodie & Sensible Dave posted here. LOL

      What a pair!

    249. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 10.19 am

      I know you have reading comprehension issues Ruby, but not even you can get away with re-writing history. I was one of those calling for Cameron Brodie to be shut down, in just the same way I think James Che should be excluded. Nobody sane can look at the contributions of either and think they are adding anything of value, or doing anything other than derail and flood threads, as Hatuey rightly pointed out.

      If James Che actually had a point, which it’s by no means evident he does, he could easily make it with a couple of posts rather than the dozens he spams the BTL comments with. Of course you and others are more than happy to indulge such fantasists because you have little of real value to add yourself for the most part.

    250. Ruby says:

      ‘I was one of those calling for Cameron Brodie to be shut down’

      Interesting! Now he is calling for ‘James Che’ to be shut down!

      What a cunt!

    251. Republicofscotland says:

      Grouser @9.53am.

      Good to see you still refer to the hospital as the Southern General and not its other enforced name upon Scots. Scotland has many esteemed folk who pioneered in the medical field,( and other fields) and our medical facilities should be named after them.

      Such as Alexander Wood who created the hypodermic syringe or Thomas Latta of Leith who invented the saline drip.

    252. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 10.39 am

      You sound nice.*

      From memory there were two camps even at the time of CBB’s attempts to flood BTL comments. Some were in the “just scroll past it” camp, and some were in the “Jesus suffering Christ, give it a break you unspeakably boring pissant” camp.

      From everything we could gather there was a wee want about yon Cameron Brodie fella, not that it was any excuse for the tsunami of bilge he subjected us to. James Che is quick to point out that he’s dyslexic, which still doesn’t excuse the sheer volume of the bilge he sees fit to spray about.

      Of course if I was a woo woo conspiracy theorist like some of the low voltage denizens infesting BTL comments in here, I’d wonder if there wasn’t some method in the madness of such folk de-railing any coherent discussion in virtually the only appreciable non-MSM outlet we have left, even if it is winding down.

      Shame to see it go out with a whimper rather than a bang, but we all know who will be to blame for its sad demise: chumps like you and James.

      *like a barely verbal ned

    253. Ruby says:

      I have no idea how many people are reading the BTL comments: Rev Stu can doubtless enlighten us on traffic figures is he sees fit.

      Traffic figures will not tell Rev Stu how many people are reading the comments.

      I would suggest the fewer people who comment (there are currently about 10) the fewer people there are reading the comments.

      However many there am I’m pretty sure they will be bored reading the endless number of posts you address to me.

    254. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 10.58 pm

      I’m more than happy not to interact with you at all Ruby, but you’re the one who keeps coming back for more like a dog to its vomit. There again, I’m not the one continually calling people who expose their inanities “cunts” in lieu of having any coherent argument, so there is that.

      At the risk of straying in to explanations à la Father Dougal of “small and far away….” though, you do realise that the number of people posting comments =/= the number of people reading said comments, right? I’m pretty confident that the majority of folk who do still read the comments aren’t neds like you who routinely call people “cunts” online.

    255. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      13 February, 2022 at 11:10 am
      @Ruby 10.58 pm

      I’m more than happy not to interact with you at all Ruby, but you’re the one who keeps coming back for more like a dog to its vomit. There again, I’m not the one continually calling people who expose their inanities “cunts” in lieu of having any coherent argument, so there is that.

      You are the one concerned about the ‘silent majority’ who you imagine are reading your BTL comments here on ‘Wings’ being bored I’m not.

      What happens in the event of you getting ‘James Che’ banned and then you and ‘Hautey’ have yet another hissy fit and flounce off again. Will ‘Wings’ just die or will ‘James Che’ & I keep the site alive, keep generating traffic and ensuring the site remains high on the search engine.

      There is more of an argument for having you two ‘Prima Donnas’ banned and
      not regular reliable posters like myself & James Che who keep the site alive.

    256. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 10.51 am

      I imagine many pro-independence folk will have ideas for renaming quite a few buildings, streets and institutions post independence to divest them of unwelcome British nationalist associations. I can think of quite a few in Edinburgh…..Princes St, Hanover St., etc., etc.

      Not to mention the statues that will need to be relocated, although personally I’d make the Duke of Sutherland’s statue a first order for the new Scottish Air Force to use as target practice with some pleasure.

    257. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 11.30 am

      Again, no huge surprise that you’re unable to grasp the difference between quantity and flooding comments, and quality where people actually debate issues rather than just call people cunts and whinge all the time Ruby. The likes of you and James aren’t keeping this place alive, Rev Stu is doing that by keeping it open.

      You, James and few other roasters are doing their best to drive this place over a cliff. As I said, I don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theory that you’re all yoon fifth columnists (and I doubt most of you have the intellectual cojones for it given the output we see) who are deliberately setting out to trash the site, but in the end the outcome is the same.

    258. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan
      The public were giving false information last week by the SG. It’s not that the original cables were installed too short. But the location of the Control Panels have been moved in design changes made since the SG Nationalised the Yard. That’s the original cable contractor off the hook. Ferguson Marine have therefore no plans to pursue the original cable contractor. It all makes sense to me now. My revised estimate for remedial works has to be upgraded. As existing Power, C and I housing and accessories will have to be extended as well eg tray, trunking, conduit etc. Without knowing how many Control Panels have been shifted the estimate will now be in a range of between 2 and 3 million in additional costs. In summary it is not a legacy issue but design changes made since the Yard was Nationalised. A bare face lie by the SG. It is the SG that thinks were are too wee and stupid. Counting at 100 million overspend per Ferry but more worrying to me, is the cover up.

    259. James Che. says:

      Interesting to note the same people have a go at any of us when we start detailed scrutiny of the treaty of the union,
      It happened in the past posts here, not just to myself I may add.

      But this deflection and bully attitude should make All of us whom want Scottish independence wonder ….
      Why the sudden comeback of the same people so aggressive in their attitude for us to not to re-read all the articles of the 1707 treaty of the union.

      Why do they think the treaty of the union articles are obsolete?
      Why do they think the very 300 year old treaty is no longer important?

      Alf Baird,

      Indeed we have been treated like a colony in the past and present,
      But here I tend to gently disagree with you in as much we hold a two kingdom signatory 1707 international Treaty of the union,
      Where as the other countries did not.
      This treaty was the cause of the colonialism in Scotland.

      On this premise we have to presume we were always legally one step ahead of these other countries.

      But if Andy, Hatuey, chas and a handful few others do not want the Scots to study or scrutinise this important 300 year old not important treaty of the union 1707

      What worries them? What fears them ?

      I have indeed gone on about this treaty for a while,

      And the only reason I have studied the legalities of the treaty for so long, and found it was not being adhered to, or to broken.
      Or the legalities manner in which it came about.

      Is a Gnawing sense of something is wrong here.

      Indeed many abuses have been imposed and many do not fit in legally according to the stipulation of those articles.

      But that gnawing feeling that something is wrong with the treaty is Actually to be confirmed further rather than denied by the protestations and bullying tactics coming forth here by the usual small crowd.

      It also begs the question why they try lead us down such a narrow political path to a carrot dangling
      Future of elections only method.

      What if they actually are correct.
      And the 300 year treaty of the union of 1707 is not legally of use any more,
      Are we a free and independent country and people already?

    260. Hatuey says:

      Interesting that they’re so confident about Russian aggression in the coming days. That can only mean they intend to further provoke Russia in the coming days.

      In other news we are hearing that US subs armed with nuclear weapons are violating Russian territorial waters as plane loads of US arms are being unloaded in Kiev.

      Happy days. If the worst happens, who would fight for the west? You’d need to be pretty fucking dumb to imagine that we represent anything worth killing and dying for in this world.

    261. Hatuey says:

      As I predicted, James Che is suggesting the British Government is uncomfortable with her focus on the Treaty of Union and those of us who find it incoherent and boring are part of a conspiracy.

      Hilarious. If you’re a troll, you’re one of the best I’ve ever encountered.

      Ruby and James Che saved Wings.

      Hahahahahaahaaaa

    262. James Che. says:

      Maybe that’s the reason wool farmers are not getting investments anymore.
      The wool is being used to cover the Scottish People’s eyes 😉

    263. James Che. says:

      The only and sole purpose of having to have a grassroots independence for Scotland movement in Scotland that has continued all the years is the international 1707 treaty of the union.

      Why would any genuine Scottish independence supporter tell us to ignore it.
      Or say it’s old history.
      It’s not important today,

    264. Andy Ellis says:

      @James Che 12.08 am

      It’s the volume of you “going on about it” in here that is the issue James, not your obsessive-compulsive drive to do so. Nobody is stopping you or anyone else from doing it, or saying you can’t or shouldn’t. Fill yer boots.

      What we ARE saying is: “So what?”.

      What’s the relevance?

      How does it advance the cause of independence endlessly debating the minutiae of a 300 year old set of Treaties?

      You are – as you freely acknowledge – no expert, so how is it do you think that all the many legal and constitutional experts in our universities, legal profession and government aren’t coming out with closely reasoned arguments supporting your views and those of others that there is some slam dunk application, or clear route to independence due to supposed breaches of the Treaties?

      One might almost think it’s because it’s all a load of bollocks. Nobody really cares, particularly not the international community. We’re not still in the union because of colonialism, or britnat trickery, or because a 300 year old Treaty has or hasn’t been breached: we’re still in the Union because Scottish voters lacked the balls to use their votes, and were persuaded by Project Fear that the risks of independence outweighed the benefits. the best that can be said for us is that we didn’t fall for a message on a bus promising us more money like the brexit referendum, but it amounted to much the same thing.

      It wouldn’t matter if the Treaties of union had never existed, or had been officially repudiated by the British nationalist establishment. Almost 200 countries are in the UN: most didn’t have to rely or fixate on 300 year old Treaties or arcane arguments about whether they were in an equal union or not: they just got on with it.

      I’d advise you to do the same if I thought it’d do any good, but doubtless we’ll still be “treated” to screeds of your hot takes on individual Articles of the Treaty and how they didn’t refer to vehicle tax, or green energy or some other ridiculous anachronism that nobody but you and a few zoomers in here care about or think is in any way relevant.

    265. Robert Hughes says:

      Good to see those star-crossed lovers The Great Hatuey and his opinion-echo catamite Being Andy Malkovich are back from their honeymoon in , where was it again lads ? Periclean Athens , or in these straitened times did your budget only stretch to a cursory tour of the fleshpots of Airdrie ?

      The question on every woo woo-conspiracy-vaxxing-ethno-botanist’s mind must surely be ” how long will this public display of harmonious L Platonic love last this time ” ?

      We’ve seen previously how quickly the dominant member of the pair can turn on his submissive , tragically needy partner-in-whine with a cruel put-down of one of BAM’s bon mot du jour after feeding him with a few prior peanuts of agreement .

      Treat ’em mean n keep ’em keen eh Hatz ?

      In other news…. the slappable face of * Progressive * Neo Fascist Vaccine Politics Justine ( sic/sick ) Trudolt has declared war on a significant % of the Canadian electorate ( * note * – only the * racist * * misogynist * and , yip , that’s right * Transphobic * % ) for being a little concerned and not entirely in agreement with being mandated to take a chemical cocktail of dubious propriety ( see Hatuey’s post earlier ) and shrinking temporal efficacy : for a viral outbreak anyone in their right mind now knows is under control and is only being kept alive to serve the sinister interests of nasty bastards of various kinds .

      Meanwhile in equally * Progressive * New Orcland , Sturgeon pin-up , heebie jeebie she Bee Gee J Ardern is treating many of her flock with similar disdain and * tough love * , she’s a beaudeee eh ?

      Other former colony Ozzy Osbournalia has morphed into the antipodean China , minus the economic success .

      What has all this got to do with Independence you may ask ?

      Fuck all .

      Just like the SNP leisure industry ( a great career awaits YOU ! ) has fuck all to do with Independence

    266. Andy Ellis says:

      Gotta love all these dimwits insisting that their hot takes on the current state of the world represent the “silent majority”! Yeah, right…in exactly the same way the SG claims folk support GRA, despite the somewhat inconvenient fact that polling clearly shows the opposite.

      The majority of ordinary folk despise anti-vaxxers and scorn their unreason: you’re the flat earthers de nos jours. Similarly, nobody is buying the “America is the Great Satan” schtick, and most find it hysterical the lengths some will go to shill for Putin and Xi Jinping: most ordinary folk are horrified at those advocating we leave the Ukrainians to the tender mercies of Moscow. History will show you to be as principled as the appeasers of the 1930’s.

      A few thousand alt-right nutters bringing Ottawa to a close doesn’t demonstrate widespread public support, just the fact that in any population you’ll always find a minority of nutters who will drink the Kool-Aid and end up strutting around their parliament in a Buffalo head dress.

      Sadly even Scotland has it’s share of such, as BTL comments in here recently have amply demonstrated. So much for the world looking to Scotland for all their ideas of civilisation. 🙂

    267. James Che. says:

      I am indeed sorry for the small group that do not see how important the international treaty of the union 1707 is to the Scottish people whom are continuously trying to depart from that very treaty to become an independent people and country,

      I am indeed sorry also for that same group when it goes over their heads to how important that treaty may or may not be to the Scottish independence movement.

      Perhaps it is time for more of us ,for all the grassroots to delve into the articles of the treaty and to discover wether there is any information detailed we are missing.

      As to no political leaders or any other interested party taking up the issue of the treaty of the union.
      Financially they are happy with the political positions they are in, why would they rock the cash flow boat.

    268. James Che. says:

      The segregation committee are back I see,
      Divide and rule are old warfare Tactics.

      Abuse use and colonise by subjugation and suppression are well known tactics also.

      Old colony stuff and nonsense.

    269. James Che. says:

      I remember AS speaking on the 1707 treaty of the union.
      He mentioned specifically at that time how some of the Articles of the treaty of the union had been broken,
      That was before the cluster Fock up of Brexit,
      Goodness knows where that position is now,

      However I do know that the, “reformation bill” that went through Westminster Parliament broke articles of the treaty of the union,

      As did creating a devolved government in Scotland.

    270. Andy Ellis says:

      Apropos of the situation in Ukraine, and irrespective of whether you find Ben Wallace’s claim that there is a “whif of Munich” in the air, it strikes me as a bit odd that so many professed Scottish nationalists are so sanguine at the prospects of a deeply unpleasant authoritarian dictator like Putin dictating to his nearest neighbour – and indeed everyone else – what the newly independent Ukraine is “allowed” to do, and to place limits on its self determination, territorial integrity and freedom to decide if and when it joins NATO, the EU or any other international body it wants to.

      Leaving aside the whataboutery of “Ah, but look at the Great Satan and how they behave” and / or “Ah but, those Ukrainians are a rum bunch wi’ lots of ideological baggage”, how does any self respecting Scots nationalist not look at the situation and see potentially dangerous parallels with our own situation?

      If Putin can waltz in and help himself to bits of the Ukraine at will, what’s to stop the same thing happening here? Will the britnats in the borders “do a Donbass” post indy? Will the Shetlands decide they’d rather stay part of the UK and call for London to save them from the clutches of Holyrood? Will the blue rinsed matrons of Morningside decide to go for the “Passport to Pimlico” option?

      Of course, it might also work to our advantage: perhaps we can “do a Crimea” with Berwick Upon Tweed, or ask the Geordies if they wouldn’t rather be Scottish than English? I’m sure some might be tempted!

    271. Andy Ellis says:

      @James Che 1.05 pm

      “I am indeed sorry for the small group that do not see how important the international treaty of the union 1707 is to the Scottish people..”

      Where’s your evidence it’s a small group who don’t see this? You can assert that you speak for the majority as much as you like bud, but it doesn’t make it true.

      Let’s not forget, you’ve been banging on about the importance of “wool farmers” ad nauseam, when the number of people in Scotland employed in ALL agriculture is about 1.5% of the workforce and 1% of the economy which explains a whole lot about your perspective on what is important.

    272. James Che. says:

      I worked in farming once upon as one of my employment earners.
      The problem is that the investment in the rough wool trade promised by the new British Parliament in the 1707 treaty of the union articles has not continued.
      Thus the numbers in the trade have dropped to the percentages you quote.

    273. James Che. says:

      Adding to this difficulty is the taxes on farmers not mentioned as specifically taxes for Scotland in the articles of the treaty of the union.

    274. Ruby says:

      “The likes of you and James aren’t keeping this place alive, Rev Stu is doing that by keeping it open.”

      Open and alive are two very different things.

      Obviously Hautey & Ellis haven’t a clue how search engines work.

      Perhaps that’s why Ellis has zero traffic going to his website then on the other hand it could be because he’s a cunt!

    275. Ruby says:

      Apropos of the situation in Ukraine

      HTF does talking about the situation in Ukraine help the independence cause?

    276. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      13 February, 2022 at 11:38 am
      @Ruby 11.30 am

      Again, no huge surprise that you’re unable to grasp the difference between quantity and flooding comments,

      Quantity is all Search Engine bots see.

      The more times the word ‘Treaty of the Union’ is posted the better.

      ‘Treaty of the Union’ is an excellent key word for an independence supporting site Ukraine on the other hand is not!

    277. James Che. says:

      Is there a whoopsie moment in the 1707 Treaty of union.

      At the time of creating the one parliament of Great Britain.

      Whereby on the creation it promises to help pay Scotland’s taxes.

      What it does not do,
      Is promise to help pay England’s and Wales taxes.

      The whoopsie moment comes after the creation as the one 1707 Great Britain Westminster Parliament .
      Because Westminster can no longer solely act as a separate English Parliament for solely England laws.
      As it has been doing.

    278. Ruby says:

      Robert Hughes says:
      13 February, 2022 at 12:36 pm
      Good to see those star-crossed lovers The Great Hatuey and his opinion-echo catamite Being Andy Malkovich are back from their honeymoon in , where was it again lads ? Periclean Athens , or in these straitened times did your budget only stretch to a cursory tour of the fleshpots of Airdrie ?
      ” how long will this public display of harmonious L Platonic love last this time ” ?

      🙂

      Perhaps you should remind them that tomorrow is Valentine’s Day.

    279. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 2.59 pm

      “HTF does talking about the situation in Ukraine help the independence cause?”

      How does talking about wool farmers and the minutiae of a 300 year old Treaty help Ruby? Or why would it be less relevant to the chances of indy than talking about the GRA as you were earlier?

      You wouldn’t be trying to set yourself up as one who decides what we discuss or to police comments would you? Because if you were I can think of lots of people more qualified than you. In fact, my cat is more qualified than you, and it died a few years ago.

    280. Stuart MacKay says:

      Well, to drag the conversation back on topic, there’s an article in The Times, “SNP ready to make concessions on gender reforms ahead of May elections”, https://archive.is/yosqN

      So far there does not seem be much, if any, sqweaming and sqweaming and Nicola hasn’t rushed online to make an impassioned plea for calm so probably this is just a delaying tactic and we’ll be back in full-GRA mode come June.

    281. Andy Ellis says:

      @Stuart 4.21 pm

      Doubtless a diversionary tactic. They’ll be hoping they can back pedal on it for a while, then when folk aren’t paying attention they’ll ram it through regardless. TRA’s aren’t open to reason as their behaviour has amply demonstrated. They’re hoping they can enact their mens rights activism on the down low with the support of Sturgeon’s useful idiots. More fool the Scots electorate if they let them away with it.

    282. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 4.13 pm & Nobby Hughes 12.36 pm

      I can’t speak for Hatuey, but sadly Periclean Athens isn’t on the itinerary: a ferry trip to the Emerald Isle beckons though, so it will be good to be amongst a people who had the balls to take their independence without asking for permission first and obsess about 300 year old Treaties rather than actually just, you know….do it.

      I don’t always agree with yer man Hatuey, despite the rather odd inference that we are besties, but at least he comes across as someone you could have a few pints with and some good craic, unlike some of the zoomers in here who wouldn’t merit crossing the road to piss on if they were on fire.

    283. Republicofscotland says:

      Well, I don’t know who is biggest lying b*stard, whether its Biden or Johnson, when it comes the bollocks of Russia invading Ukraine, the lying shits have even named a date that the lickspittle press have jumped on.

      Nato has even given a date that Russia will invade Ukraine, here the press parrots that date. There’s at least another ten links to newspapers that parrot the 16th of Feb date, as the day that Russia will invade, search it for yourself if you like.

      https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2022/feb/12/putin-planning-to-invade-ukraine-on-february-16-report-2418654.html

      https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/02/11/putin-could-attack-ukraine-on-feb-16-biden-told-allies-00008344

      Of course the real story is Nato’s Eastern expansionism and the Great Satan’s military bases which surround China and Russia, sleepy Joe however says that the Great Satan via Nato will keep expanding Eastwards, as Russia boots a US sub out of its waters.

      U.S. State Department Counselor Derek Chollet said that Biden made “very clear” to Putin that the U.S. and its allies would “continue to bolster and build military capacity along NATO’s eastern flank.” that’s not good, also Russian naval ship chased a US sub out of Russian waters.

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-claims-it-chased-american-submarine-out-of-its-waters/ar-AATLVd3?ocid=msedgntp

      https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-ukraine-sanctions-does-not-give-st-ambassador-1678762?amp=1

      The Great Satan, and its most obedient minion the UK, are salivating worse than Pavlov’s Dog at the thought of war in Ukraine.

    284. Andy Ellis says:

      I see Putin’s Poodle RoS is back to enliven BTL comments with tales of the Great Satan. I wonder if anyone he/she/it speaks to in “real life” actually buys in to the schtick, or if it’s just paid work from his handler?

    285. Republicofscotland says:

      A bit of food for thought, as Russian forces have amassed inside their own border, as the Western lickspittle media never tires of telling us, what they don’t tell us is that Ukrainian forces which have been armed to the teeth by Whitehall, are nowhere near the Russian forces but have instead amassed on the demarcation zone facing Donbas.

      British and US special forces are known to be in that area, and could easily cause a kick-off of hostilities, from past form around the globe we know this is a possibility.

    286. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Stuart MacKay 4:21pm
      You are correct to refer to the original post as the discussion topic. But it seems to me there is very little dissenting voices on the original excellent article. However amendments to make it 18 and not 12 or 16 are not going to cut it for the public. The SNP/Greens coalition cannot be trusted. We should be looking at a Judicial Review on the December 21st decision to extend lockdown and restrictions. And a Public Inquiry into Ferguson Marine debacle and the lifeline ferries to the Islands. I am thinking Public Malfeasance and criminal charges.

    287. Republicofscotland says:

      F*ck you Ellis, we all know which countries are trying to manufacture a war here, and its not Putin. Nato is the gun for hire here, its remit long gone its now trying to manufacture another cold war to justify its existence and keep the Military Industrial Complex happy.

    288. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 4.49 pm

      From memory, Hitler’s forces were all amassed safely inside Germany’s borders just before they invaded Poland in 1939 too. Doubtless there were appeasers assuring us then that nothing was meant by it of course, and that the nasty Poles had been armed to the teeth by Whitehall and Quai d’Orsay. Charles de Gaulle spent time in Poland advising the Polish forces before WW2.

      Of course alert readers will remember that the Russians stabbed the Poles in the back in 1939 as part of Molotov Ribbentrop pact, before slaughtering thousands of Polish officers in Katyn and blaming the Germans for the crime.

      Also worth remembering that the Nazis staged a fake attack on a German radio station in 1939 (the Gleiwitz incident) as a pretext to invade Poland: they dressed a few concentration camp inmates up in Polish uniforms and murdered them to complete the drama. Putin is of course just as capable of such behaviour as his actions elsewhere have amply shown.

    289. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 4.53 pm

      Shills gonna shill. that nice Mr Putin must really have done a number on you huh? Strange how many who claim to be Scottish nationalists and supporters of independence are happy to pander to an arch imperialist like Putin, who would have zero truck with any people in the Russian Federation asking for self determination.

      The marxist apologists for the crimes of one side trying to hide behind whataboutery on the “Great Satan” never fail to amuse, or to expose their total lack of self awareness how ridiculous they look to the vast majority of folk not just in our movement, but in the country as a whole. It’s the kind of moronic sophomoric politics that led folk to applaud the suppression of the Hungarian UIprising in 1956, the Prague Spring in 1968 or Solidarity back in the 1980’s.

      There’s always a willing cadre to be bought, or sometimes to do the work of the enemy for free: the question is which are the folk spouting this claptrap now?

    290. Republicofscotland says:

      Ellis @4.57pm.

      You have stooped to defending Nato’s indefensible position by quoting WWII we here this BS parroting of WWII often from the Tories, unionists, with a deep twisted case of nostalgia, and arse licking Atlanticists, its usually followed by we (England) won the war nonsense.

      Of course lickspittles such as yourself, don’t acknowledge that the Great Satan (USA) pushed the coup in Ukraine in 2014, via the Kiev embassy, which was orchestrated by the US State Department and a one Victoria Nuland, who when was asked what about EU nations interests in the Ukraine days before the US coup said f*ck the EU.

    291. Stuart MacKay says:

      Tannadice Boy @4:52pm

      > But it seems to me there is very little dissenting voices
      > on the original excellent article

      Ah well, it was worth a try.

      Given all the name-calling. Not here, I mean, between the forces of good and evil (choose accordingly), the apparent silence of the Germans seems rather strange, especially since once Putin shuts off the gas it will probably take less than a week for Western Europe’s economies to collapse in chaos.

      In other news, I was fair chuffed after I finished archiving all of Grouse Beaters posts on archive.is (fiendish Russian technology). So, I decided I’d do the Revs. site as well, just in case nuclear war starts soon. I just uploaded 5750 posts from Wings into the voices.scot database, starting all the way back on April 8th 2010. I guess archiving all that is going take a little longer than I expected.

    292. Republicofscotland says:

      Meanwhile, the withdrawal of EU, UK and US representatives from the OSCE special monitoring mission in Ukraine under the pretext of insecurity would mean that a large-scale provocation by Ukraine and its Western handlers is coming.

    293. twathater says:

      ROS responding to any Andy pandy comments only inflates his ego , it must be a fight in his house to see who can get to the mirror first , I bet his wife and daughter have to get up really early to get near it , Andy is only upset because he spent so long in academia learning pish and naebody in authority listens to him , he’s as ignored as the rest of us ,big man small pond

    294. John Main says:

      Ruby says (to me):

      “Deluded f*ckwit”

      Ah Ruby, bless you.

    295. Andy Ellis says:

      @Laird Hee Haw 5.57 pm

      Before you get tot excited earning your keep as Putin’s resident asset @ WoS, you might like to reflect that the vast majority of Scots, and most in the movement are probably Atlantacists bud. Not that many really go for the full CND stuff, still less your Great Satan schtick, which must have similar levels of support as that enjoyed by the late and entirely unlamented Communist Party of Scotland.

      Hardly surprising of course that someone so fond of Putin would see nothing wrong with a post imperial power like the Russian Federation dictating terms to the Ukraine, in much the same way it did to Chechnya and in other parts of the Caucasus. Appeasers are the same the world over of course. They excuse their lack of moral courage with whataboutery about the sins of others.

      There are no ideological contortions too outrageous for the new cadre of marxist apologists and Russian shills in the West of course. The same type of lack wits who applaud the suppression of democracy in Hong Kong and deny there’s anything amiss in Xinjiang.

      Putin isn’t harmless. He’s not out friend. He wants to resurrect the Soviet Union and impose – at best – modern day Finlandisation on the whole of Eastern Europe, and at worst simply re-occupy former Soviet Republics like the good old days when he was a KGB operative. Odd that it seems a matter of scant concern to you anti-democrats and fellow travellers of Putin’s odious regime that the people of the Ukraine just want the same rights as Scots do: to chose their own future, free of the influence and imperialism of their erstwhile ruler.

      It kinda makes you wonder what your agenda is, or who it is that’s paying you to spread the dezinformacija and agitprop.

    296. John Main says:

      Banana Republic of Scotland must truly believe that Putin, Russia, and 130K of Russia’s finest are all just puppets on the strings of the Great Satan, the Middling Satan, and all the Little Satans that Republic still has to enumerate for us.

      Now that has been clarified, I can clearly see that if Russian forces cross any border, it will be because NATO, USA, UK, Biden, Boris, etc. made them do it.

      Any Ukrainian casualties will be the fault of NATO, etc, etc.

      If the gas goes off, it will be our own governments to blame.

      Does anybody get a free pass Republic? What about NS, the EU? Are they all forcing Putin’s hand too?

    297. Republicofscotland says:

      And still Ellis dodges the Great Satan’s coup in Ukraine, by referring to past events a typical ploy.

      Okay Ellis just for this one comment I’ll play your game past exploits of Nato..hmmm… how about the warcrimes of Nato.

      https://global-politics.eu/nato-war-crimes-natos-humanitarian-bombings-the-balance-sheet-of-destruction-in-yugoslavia-1999/

      https://original.antiwar.com/bas_spliet/2020/07/13/how-natos-war-crimes-brought-chaos-to-libya/

      https://shoah.org.uk/natos-war-crimes-in-libya-2/

    298. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 7.01 pm

      Only a Russian asset or a convinced Putin fellow traveller would characterise the events of 2014 as a coup. It was the overthrow of an authoritarian regime by the Ukrainian people. Rewriting history didn’t work for the dyed in the wool tankies who continued to support Communism post Hungary in ’56, Czechoslovakia in ’68 and Poland in the 80’s, and it won’t work supporting Russian neo-imperilaism today, however hard you try.

      A negligible proportion of Scots buy your BS.

    299. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Stuart MacKay 6:16pm
      I wouldn’t worry about archiving the BTL comments on Wings. Stu’s article’s are however worthy of prosperity. And I thought their was a proposal to do that. I don’t concern myself with geo politics I would rather focus on Holyrood and the Scottish Parliament and that’s enough to worry about. Speaking as a soldier out of Spandau Barracks deployed to stop an imminent Russian invasion on Hogmanay forgive me for being dismissive about this latest scaremongering. And that was over 40 years ago. It was ever thus.

    300. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      13 February, 2022 at 6:35 pm
      Ruby says (to me):

      “Deluded f*ckwit”

      Ah Ruby, bless you.

      No problem. Always happy to help!

      I couldn’t live myself if I let you continue to believe there are shit loads (a silent majority) reading all the crap that is posted BTL here on Wings.

      I always found you to be a pretty decent chap hence the reason for keeping you right!

      Perhaps when I copied & pasted “Deluded f*ckwit” from your post I should have added a question mark.

    301. Effigy says:

      I’m old enough to remember Pres Kennedy warning Russia to turn around a convoy of
      missiles heading toward neighbouring Cuba or war could break out.

      Now that America wants missiles in Russia’s doorstep, it’s fine?

      In general, Russian citizens have a poor standard of living.
      I can’t see sanctions such as blocking Harrods on-line is going to drive them to their knees.
      Anyone think Putin will go short of anything due to sanctions?

      Will Wee Baroness Ruth the missing MSP return the £20,000 received from her Russian benefactor? No me neither!

    302. Republicofscotland says:

      “Only a Russian asset or a convinced Putin fellow traveller would characterise the events of 2014 as a coup.”

      Ellis.

      Geez Oh, I’ve read it all now, who’s the state asset now, you’re either incredibly naive, or you are deliberately attempting to defend the indefensible, the latter looks the more likely.

      https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/2014_Ukraine_coup

      http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/2022/01/25/remember-the-2014-us-coup-in-ukraine-remember-the-bogus-claim-that-saddam-could-attack-in-45-minutes/

      https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/

      https://consortiumnews.com/2016/04/11/yats-is-no-longer-the-guy/

      Just a couple of the thousands of links on the Great Satan’s 2014 coup of Ukraine. Its common knowledge now.

    303. Stuart MacKay says:

      Tannadice Boy

      The current archive on archive.is goes back to the start of 2016, https://archive.fo/offset=2740/wingsoverscotland.com so there’s still a ways to go – assuming that there’s no significant gaps with the current set of pages. So far, I’ve found the odd page missing but nothing more than that.

      Somebody has had the good sense to archive the full resolution versions of Chris’s cartoons. Not sure how far back they go.

      It’s funny going back through the stuff from 6 years or so ago. Literally nothing has changed – fuck me!

    304. Andy Ellis says:

      @Republic of Soviet 7.58 pm

      It’s the way you tell ’em tovarisch, seriously…!

      Top agitpropping: you’re handlers must be so proud! 🙂

    305. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      What’s the relevance?

      How does it advance the cause of independence endlessly debating the minutiae of a 300 year old set of Treaties?

      Why is this guy surprised when I ask him HTF talking about Ukraine advances the cause of independence.

      He then goes on to claim I’m trying to dictate what people post and asking me

      why would it be less relevant to the chances of indy than talking about the GRA as you were earlier?

      It’s an astonishing question in view of the fact that the person trying to sell independence to the electorate is the same one that is selling us the idea that ‘a man in a dress is a woman’

    306. Republicofscotland says:

      Ellis @ 8.08pm.

      I rest my case, you’re a light weight, surely Denison has better than you Turner won’t be happy that you’ve been outed.

      Anyway I’m done conversing with this Chinthe.

    307. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Stuart MacKay 8:06pn
      Yip nothing has changed since Sturgeon has became the First Minister except the level of depravity and corruption. Which is why I left the SNP then, I seen it coming. But we have stuff on her now. The difference.

    308. Ebok says:

      Republicofscotland
      10 February, 2022 at 11:06 am

      Any update on the marches, RoS?

      It is so disappointing that there has been no response from political parties in Scotland to the brutal increases in the pipeline, hitting already fragile living standards, apart from the usual toothless pronouncements.
      I’m particularly concerned about the sound of silence from ALBA, no actions planned, no campaigns to resist attacks on the poor, just the 5-point plan that has no chance of being implemented without the power to do so.
      And that won’t come about in May, no matter how many council seats are won.

      As the weeks drag by, it looks increasingly likely that last March was a false dawn. It looks very much like the stitch-up has had the desired effect as Alex is a mere shadow of his former self, and there is no-one of his calibre left. Sure, Ken and Chris and others are good, honourable people, but there is no fire, no standard bearers pushing and giving direction, no leadership.
      Patrons of these pages are amongst Scotland’s mightiest fighters for independence and unquestionably the biggest supporters of the fledgling ALBA party, yet no senior party member can come on here to make a comment of support for us, to encourage us, to thank us, crivens, they can’t even comment to tell us what the membership numbers are, even though the question has been brought up no less than four times!
      It’s not as if ALBA officials don’t read our comments, it’s as if Wings support is an embarrassment to the party.

      Perhaps we are reaching the endgame as one by one, each political party becomes more and more distant from us. As the proles reel under crushing financial hardship, when the poor have no lawyers, no leaders, no safety net, no hope, no education, no truth, and no reason to vote, what then?

    309. Chas says:

      I see that there is still some debate regarding the over 300 year old Treaty.
      To put it all to bed perhaps those so concerned with the breaches could employ a solicitor to take it to the ‘Courts’. No doubt they will be able to furnish said solicitor with all the breaches with the result that an annulment of the treaty would be a dawdle. This would do away with the need for pesky Independence referendums that are lost, before they even start, with Sturgeon in charge.
      I suspect however that the costs might be quite significant especially for one or two individuals to manage.
      Perhaps they could arrange for some ‘crowd funding’ where I am sure that millions of fellow Scots would happily dip into their pockets to contribute!!
      If those on here who continually drone on about the Treaty breaches are not prepared to seek legal redress they should do the rest of us a favour and simply shut up or go away.

    310. Ruby says:

      Chas says:
      13 February, 2022 at 8:37 pm
      I see that there is still some debate regarding the over 300 year old Treaty.

      What would you like to see discussed here on Wings?

    311. Ebok says:

      Breeks says:
      9 February, 2022 at 8:55 am
      ‘From where Scottish Independence and the SNP stood in 2015 … how could any insurrectionist who had infiltrated the Scottish Government make the SNP as toxic and unelectable’

      With a LOT of outside help, perhaps?

      Despite Sturgeons best efforts in appeasement, polls still show that about half of the Scottish electorate want independence. With an ethical, competent administration at HR there would be a clear majority for YES, and we would of course be an independent country by now.

    312. Ruby says:

      FAO of Hautey Ellis & Chas

      James Che is not your problem. Here is a photograph of the three people who are the real problem.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fpolitics%2F19919585.snp-greens-draw-joint-independence-plans-2023-referendum%2F

    313. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ebok 8.24 pm

      I’m sure Alba are happy to have Rev Stu’s input given his involvement in the planned new book. I suspect they’ll be loathe to be associated with the kind of roasters in here who unselfconsciously talk about the Great Satan, or are on the home straight to win the World Boredom Championships with incessant posts about the Treaties of Union. Abusing folk who call out their mentalism as “cunts” is another thing that isn’t likely to appeal to them.

      Marches might good for a jolly and make some folk feel warm and fuzzy inside, but most folk don’t really care or actively dislike them. It’s hardly been La Diada from what I’ve seen of past marches. Gaining independence presupposes winning plebiscitary elections, because we can forget about #indyref2 for a good long time.

      Of course, if you or others have a cunning plan that sidesteps the need for winning power we’re all ears. Personally I reckon helping Alba gain support is more likely to achieve our goal than organising marches, but fill yer boots if that’s your kinda thing.

    314. Chas says:

      Ruby

      Quite simple really.
      How can we get rid of Sturgeon and the wasters that surround her at Holyrood. The ones at Westminster are no better.
      With Sturgeon at the helm I see no hope of Independence for Scotland. To be honest I am not even sure if I want Independence with her as FM and Swinney, Humza and wee Katie as the best we have to offer the people. Add in Harvey and the rest of the loons. It is scary.
      I keep thinking that there must be some even anybody in the SNP with a backbone but it seems that it is Nicola’s way or no way and no one will disagree.
      In Scotland we seem to lurch from one shambles to the next. The SNP clearly have not got a clue about Financial/Economic matters yet there is never an outcry from the media or general population.
      Alba made a promising start and initially brought some hope but, for me, this has almost faded. I watch the daily Bunter/Tory horror show at Westminster and can’t understand how he is still there. Equally I can’t understand how Sturgeon retains her position. All very depressing.

    315. Andy Ellis says:

      @Chas 8.37 pm

      Yeah, good luck with that one. These folk are hardly Martin Keatings: they can barely string two sentences together without a Tourette’s episode. They’re happier talking about trivia than actually advancing the cause because they profoundly believe there is a cunning plan to deliver us to the sunny uplands of independence without doing the actual work.

      It’s no accident of course that there’s a huge overlap between those pushing this nonsense, ant-vaxxers and ethnic nationalists.

      It’s good that the nutter collective are easily identifiable though!

    316. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      13 February, 2022 at 8:56 pm
      @Ebok 8.24 pm

      I’m sure Alba are happy to have Rev Stu’s input given his involvement in the planned new book

      Abusing folk who call out their mentalism as “cunts” is another thing that isn’t likely to appeal to them.

      Who is this Rev Stu you are referring to?

      Is there a Rev Stu that doesn’t swear?

    317. Ruby says:

      Chas says:
      13 February, 2022 at 9:03 pm
      Ruby

      Quite simple really.
      How can we get rid of Sturgeon and the wasters that surround her at Holyrood. The ones at Westminster are no better.
      With Sturgeon at the helm I see no hope of Independence for Scotland.

      I agree with all that but what do we do?

      Do you think complaining about ‘James Che’ posting too much is going to help?

    318. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Stuart MacKay.

      WOS is archived at the Internet Archive. The earliest is June 2012. Might be worth checking out.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20120501000000*/https://wingsoverscotland.com

    319. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 9.14 pm

      Stu uses bad language judiciously and for those who deserve it from what I’ve seen.

      You and the other barrel scrapings do it because you’re barely verbal and unable to cope with being bested in an argument and called out for your idiocy.

      Happy to help!

    320. Andy Ellis says:

      @Chas 9.03 pm

      “I keep thinking that there must be some even anybody in the SNP with a backbone but it seems that it is Nicola’s way or no way and no one will disagree.”

      I think that ship sailed long since. The SNP and Greens won’t deliver #indyref2 in 2023: they don’t have the political smarts, the support, or the stomach to face down the britnats.

      The failure of the plan to get Alba into Holyrood at the last election – which was always a big ask given the timescales – means we have little realistic alternative but to concentrate on ensuring they can deprive the SNP/Greens of a majority at the next Holyrood election.

      With luck the rank and file SNP membership will have defenestrated the Sturgeonites with enough force to see them achieve low earth orbit….but I wouldn’t hold my breath. The TRA extremists and grey suited SPADs rule the roost there. We have a few years to prepare: after that…who knows?

    321. Andy Ellis says:

      I see Rebecca Long-Bailey wants to suicide what’s left of the Labour party after the largely false and confected anti-semitism witch-hunt with a new cull of the gender critical:

      https://archive.ph/HyeL9

    322. Chas says:

      Ruby

      ‘Do you think complaining about ‘James Che’ posting too much is going to help?’

      I have never complained about James Che posting too much. I have complained about James Che posting the same drivel endlessly. How many are remotely interested? Is there any end game or resolution? Repeating the same tripe ‘ad nauseum’ will never work and simply turns people off. Any soft NO voter, which we need, turning up on Wings and looking at the continual ramblings will switch off very quickly and move on elsewhere.

      What do we do about getting rid of Sturgeon? Simply tell the truth to everyone you meet. It may take time and she will deflect/deny/forget for all she is worth but eventually the penny will drop even with the gullible.

    323. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This link doesn’t look right as copied, but hopefully it’ll show a Fox News segment about Fauci/Covid.

      I don’t follow that channel, so I don’t know if this constitutes a ‘U-turn’ as such, but it does sound a very different tone to what we’ve all become used to via MSM.

      https://twitter.com/home

    324. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      13 February, 2022 at 9:25 pm
      @Ruby 9.14 pm

      Stu uses bad language judiciously and for those who deserve it from what I’ve seen.

      I believe you deserve to be called a cunt!

      I think it’s a great word and sums you up very succinctly!

    325. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Sorry, it doesn’t link to the thing…

      🙁

    326. Hatuey says:

      Andy, you’ve played a blinder today with lots of lolz. I’m going to be putting your name forward for The Ukrainian Order of Merit. Some day I hope that they’ll name a land mine or a Night Club after you.

      For all of you that are worried about war with Russia and the potential for a nuclear war, I say this…

      There aren’t many advantages to letting undeserving rich bastards run your country and the world, but if there’s one group of people that we can trust not to torch the place, it’s the group with the yachts, private jets, beach houses and everything else. Quite simply, they’ve got more to lose than anybody. Politicians are their salesmen.

      That all said, if you live within 25 miles of Faslane, I’d consider getting to fuck for a few days.

    327. Ebok says:

      Andy Ellis
      13 February, 2022 at 8:56 pm

      Please don’t tie in my comments to your spats with other contributors, Andy.
      If I do respond to comments by you, James, RoS, Ruby, or anyone else, I’ll try to be respectful, even if we disagree.

      ‘Of course, if you or others have a cunning plan that sidesteps the need for winning power we’re all ears’
      That wasn’t called for, but in any case, I’m sorry, Andy, can’t help you there. I’m a minority: uneducated, white, male, heterosexual, indigenous, and working class (yes, full house).
      And us proles don’t do cunning, that’s for clever folks. Anyway, the power thing, as you’ve been gone for a while, Andy, just a wee reminder that SNP retain power until at least 2026.

      ‘I reckon helping Alba gain support is more likely to achieve our goal than organising marches, but fill yer boots if that’s your kinda thing’

      I didn’t mention marching, Andy, so not quite sure what you meant there? Perhaps the question to RoS threw you?
      As for support, like you Andy, I’m a founder member and so is my wife (she has the same CV as me, apart from being female, of course). That doesn’t stop us from being frustrated at the rate of progress, or prevent us from being critical, after all we are not SNP.

    328. Ruby says:

      Chas says:
      13 February, 2022 at 9:45 pm
      Ruby
      Any soft NO voter, which we need, turning up on Wings and looking at the continual ramblings will switch off very quickly and move on elsewhere.

      They will move on even quicker if there are zero posts.

      The real problem isn’t James Che’s posts is that so few people are posting.
      Have you any worries about NO voters turning up on Wings and being turned off by discussions about Covid, Ukraine, sinking schools etc etc?

      My suggestion to you if you are really worried about soft NO voters turning up on Wings is to start posting what you think soft NO voters will find interesting.

      What search term do you think soft NO voters would key into the search engine that would point them to Wings.

    329. robbo says:

      Can you Ellis, Hautey or Chas answer any of the remarks in my earlier post?

      You’re such great guys with the wisdom of how for 300 years a treaty that formed the UK now seems irrelevant? The UK exists because of it so why is it irrelevant?

      It’s quite astonishing that any so called indy supporter would even question this gripe that people have on this issue.

      Yes there’s loads of shit that’s been amended over the years but to who’s benefit was that you need to ask yourself- certainly didn’t benefit us on iota!

      I ‘am not taking about archaic salt and malt taxes and what not. I ‘m talking first and foremost the bigoted articles 1 and 2 for starters then if you have the balls progress to the rest? – dipping out 8-14 obviously as they’ve been superseded many times over the years with irrelevant bollocks..

      Over to you guys.

    330. robbo says:

      Superbowl winner LA RAMS 37 – 23

    331. robbo says:

      Superbowl winner LA RAMS 37 – 23

      My prediction

    332. Hatuey says:

      Robbo, read my lips; nobody said the treaty was irrelevant. Of course it’s relevant. It’s just not so relevant as to justify 200 banal comments per day.

      Anyone that thinks typing crap like that helps Wings or the independence cause needs their head looked at.

      And yes, typing nothing at all would be more helpful — anyone that knows a thing about marketing knows that saying nothing is often a much better option than saying something stupid and/or harmful. If you’re a bit thick, that’s especially true.

      As for SEO, I’ve literally given lessons on the subject. Typing crap BTL here is something you’d struggle to justify in search marketing terms, especially when Wings’ domain authority and standing is already well established in organic serps etc. — to suggest that standing ever depended on the crud Ruby or anyone else typed here is actually deeply insulting to the guy that really deserves the credit (Rev Stu).

      Have any of you got any idea how much work goes into writing to the standard that Rev Stu achieved so regularly? I’m not suggesting you need to try and hit those standards on here but let’s not pretend the crap we have seen recently about the Treaty of 1707 even comes close.

    333. Effigy says:

      Just seen the Bojo the levelling up clowns tour comes to a secret location today.
      Some Tory manufacturer who might well get a dodgy PPE contract for a small donation.

      He isn’t meeting DRoss or Baroness Ruth who like everyone else in Glasgow hates the snake

      What could we shout at him if he dared expose himself to the Public?

      1, Watch out Boris there is high jacking cake in there!
      2, have you brought your own bottle.
      3, Get your £200,000 wallpaper discounted here at the Barrows.
      4, Get your free Combs for the mentally unstable.
      5, why have you visited the Scottish nation that you would put in a ghetto and eliminate?

    334. Stuart MacKay says:

      Brian Doonthetoon

      Thanks for the link to the Wayback Machine. I’d looked at it before but it was way too complicated and convoluted to deal with. It’s still on the todo list though as having an extra copy is not a bad thing.

      The coverage is quite good but it’s probably not complete. Wings has been saved 1,018 times but there’s 5914 blog posts. It’s not easy to tell if there are gaps and where they are. There is an API and now that I have a complete list of all the articles I’m hoping it’s possible to write some code to compare the two sites and fill in what’s missing.

    335. Stuart MacKay says:

      Andy Ellis

      That Long-Bailey article is amazing:

      It was put to Ms Long-Bailey that female victims of domestic violence have spoken of their “debilitating terror” and of the vital importance of a woman-only refuge.

      But she replied: “We can’t use that as an argument to discriminate against transpeople.”

      Yes. Clearly these women need to Be Kind and look within themselves to recognise the societal prejudices they carry. All those bruises and scars are just cosmetic.

      The Labour Party have completely lost touch with reality.

    336. Robert Hughes says:

      Ebok

      Yes , why aren’t ALBA representatives engaging on here , are they , as you suggest , embarrassed to be associated with such a * controversial * site ?

      I have no idea if this is the case or not , but the lack of any real action , energy or dynamism from the Party is noticeable .

      As has been stated previously …..we know they face obstacles in gaining any – let alone fair – coverage in MSM : all the more reason they should be utilising sites like this – constantly , not just the occasional piece on YFS or Barrhead Boy . It’s not enough , not nearly enough .

      People complain about subjects other than Independence taking-up too much space here : the main reason for which obviously is Stu’s absence , but it would help to keep the focus on the main event ( or lack of it ) if those positioning themselves as the alternative to NSNP sloth and cynical carrot-dangling exploitation of people’s desire for real concerted action towards our goal were more visible , telling us what they plan to do , not just stating their opposition to whatever screwball idea emanates from the SNP Ministry of Idiocy : organising protests , galvanising support and informed resistance to WM AND Holyrood lies and inertia by their physical presence at such public protests .

      I never seen a single ALBA rep even respond to Breeks’ recent , brilliant 3 part essay on the possibility – and desirability- of a Constitutional Committee , never mind engage with it .

      The resounding silence on it from ALBA was/is very disappointing

      The lack of fresh ideas/thinking in general equally so .

      If ALBA hope to have any chance of breaking through the Sturgeon paralysis they need to – actually- * break the mould * , not just pour a slightly different flavoured jelly into the old one

    337. Andy Ellis says:

      @robbo 11.22 pm

      I can only echo Hatuey’s words at 1.46 am: of course the Treaties have historical relevance, but that’s not the issue. Whether we become independent in any reasonable timescale isn’t going to depend on the Treaties of Union, still less on the tsunami of bullshit coming out of the likes of James Che.

      You almost get there yourself: on the one hand you disdain talk of “salt and malt taxes and wot not” and airily dismiss large sections of it as irrelevant, then you talk about examining particular articles. Honestly…nobody gives a shit apart from a few obsessive compulsive nutters in here.

      There are clear and widely (if not universally) accepted precedents which the international community and international law will be looking at when it comes to a decision whether to recognise Scottish independence in future. The Treaties of Union are a matter of indifference to them. As previously mentioned, if all these amateur experts on the Treaties are so sure there’s a slam dunk short cut available by referring to the minutiae of the Treaties, let them put their money where their mouths are, or campaign to crowd fund a legal case.

      The idea that the bilge being posted here and being clapped along by the intellectually low-voltage is either relevant or in any way helpful is for the birds. Hatuey is right: nothing would actually be better in that regard.

    338. Andy Ellis says:

      @ebok 10.09 pm

      Don’t presume to tell me what I can and can’t post. Being a white, working class male doesn’t make you a minority: I imagine actual minorities would probably point that out to you. You made reference to marching, that’s why I responded with a comment about marches. It’s not rocket science.

      I didn’t say, nor do I think, that Alba is or should be above criticism. It is however early days. I think a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of what the party can achieve in the short to medium term.

      As for those – who appear to include you from what you’re saying in your posts – who want them to offer something different, then tell us what. A party that’s only a few months old, with a few % support, isn’t in a position yet to make grandiose claims and predictions is it? It’s up to those in the party, and those who will hopefully come to support it, to ensure that it is strong enough to exert influence.

      To do that, it needs representation: council seats will help and doubtless form a base, but in the end only seats in Holyrood will make a real difference, so we’re in for a wait until 2026. Calls to “break the mould” look pretty premature until the party has a decent support base and some representation. I’d love Alba to do to the SNP what Sinn Fein did to the IPP in the early 1900’s….but we’re a fair way from that yet.

    339. Robert Hughes says:

      Andy Ellis

      Sure , like other ALBA supporters , I’m aware it’s early days and don’t expect the Party to be setting the heather on fire just yet

      Knowledge of where and how to use the requisite incendiary agents- and having the will to use them – must be demonstrated though .Being a nice wee Party ain’t gonna cut it

      Let’s see what happens in May

    340. Andy Ellis says:

      @Robert Hughes 9.37 am

      It’d be good to see some progress in council elections, altho’ I’m not sure how much visibility there has been. Maybe in some councils even one seat could make a difference. For me Alba’s task is to put clear water between itself and the SNP/Greens. I reckon it’s done that on GRA/women’s rights, which needs to be amplified. It’s also at least made a start with sketching out some more radical policies, which needs to be built on.

      The task over the years up to the next Holyrood election is convert more current SNP members and supporters, enough to give Alba the balance of power. It’s a shame that more MPS, some MSPs etc didn’t jump ship at the end of last year. I think we’d be in a different place now if that had happened, but it was always a big ask.

      I suppose I’m just suspicious of those who insist Alba has to do something different..? Like what? It seems to lead down an electoral and constitutional cul-de-sac to me if Alba comes up with some ill-considered plan to by pass existing routes like a referendum (which I accept isn’t going to happen under the current SNP) or plebiscitary elections.

      We just don’t have the overwhelming popular support that it would be necessary to demonstrate to declare UDI, or short circuit existing means to gain independence and – more importantly – international recognition. There’s no point getting into a no-win Catalan style stand off, and I certainly don’t see most pro-indy politicians in Scotland going to jail in defence of their beliefs like their Catalan equivalents.

    341. Ruby says:

      Hatuey says:

      As for SEO, I’ve literally given lessons on the subject. Typing crap BTL here is something you’d struggle to justify in search marketing terms, especially when Wings’ domain authority and standing is already well established in organic serps etc. — to suggest that standing ever depended on the crud Ruby or anyone else typed here is actually deeply insulting to the guy that really deserves the credit (Rev Stu).

      God help the students who got lessons in SEO from Hautey.

      It’s pretty obvious from the above that he hasn’t a clue.

      ‘Hautey & Ellis’ always seem to be on the look out for someone to bully.

      Obviously the pair have some serious problems.

      This time around it was James Che’s turn.

      I do hope James Che isn’t upset by these two bullying cunts.

      Their behaviour is totally out of order.

    342. Ruby says:

      Alba biggest problem here on Wings is the guy who is representing them.

      Andy Ellis is not someone you would want representing your party.

    343. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 10.05 am

      “Their behaviour is totally out of order.”

      Says the barely verbal Tourette’s addled freak who can barely post a contribution without dropping the c-bomb. Irony indeed….

      “I do hope James Che isn’t upset by these two bullying cunts.”

      It’s not bullying to call out a fringe obsessive for flooding the threads with ill-considered barely literate bilge. James is a big boy. At least nobody is calling him a cunt on every contribution they make tho’ eh?

    344. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 10.13 am

      I’ve never claimed to represent Alba though, have I? I’m just a member like some others who post in here. I doubt the party will be much concerned with the views of someone as clearly barking as your good self Ruby.

    345. Robert Hughes says:

      ” I certainly don’t see most pro-indy politicians in Scotland going to jail in defence of their beliefs like their Catalan equivalents. ”

      Aye , there’s the rub .

      No one wants to see any pro-Indy politician – or supporter – jailed in defence of their beliefs , but the question is how much would they/we be prepared to sacrifice in pursuit of our goal ?

      If the ones who are more in tune with ALBA/disenchanted with SNP are not even prepared to * cross the floor * – not exactly political martyrdom – what does that tell us about their commitment to achieving Indy ” by all means necessary ” . Short of violence , of course .

    346. Will Russia invade Ukraine or is it just a warning to the West to back off,

      like when US put missiles in Turkey and Italy so USSR decided to put missiles in Cuba,

      both eventually removed their missiles.

    347. Andy Ellis says:

      @Robert Hughes 10.24 am

      I thought at the time the Catalan independence leaders were jailed or chased out of their country that I couldn’t see Imelda McSelfie and her ilk doing that in a million years.

      It was a huge disappointment that the likes of Joanna Cherry, Angus MacNeil and a few others didn’t follow MacAskill and Hanvey’s lead. How anyone who opposes the TRA extremist position of the SNP leadership, its default devolutionary approach and its lack of radical policies to address pressing social issues can stay in the party escapes me.

      It was a huge lost opportunity that a decent number didn’t defect to Alba: if even a half dozen MSP had a backbone they could face the Sturgeonites down: sadly the SNP is far too centralised and far too in thrall to the unsavoury cabal surrounding the FM.

    348. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      14 February, 2022 at 10:21 am
      @Ruby 10.13 am

      I’ve never claimed to represent Alba though, have I? I’m just a member like some others who post in here. I doubt the party will be much concerned with the views of someone as clearly barking as your good self Ruby.

      Why wouldn’t Alba be concerned with my views and the views of all these people you consider to be barking?

      You do know that we have a vote don’t you?

      I’ve never claimed to represent Alba though, have I?

      Yes you have. It obvious in your posts.

      If you don’t represent Alba what exactly does a member of Alba do?

    349. Andy Ellis says:

      @Scot Finlayson 10.30 am

      The Russians aren’t just saying “back off” though are they? They illegally annexed part of the Ukraine, have been fighting a war on its easter border for the past 8 years that has cost thousands of lives, and are now trying to dictate what the Ukrainians are “allowed” to do without their permission.

      Would Scots accept Westminster telling them post indy whether they were “allowed” to join the EU or NATO? How about if England helped itself to the Borders on the basis they voted against independence?

      This isn’t about legitimate fears the Russians have: it’s all about Russian neo imperialism and trying to re-create the old USSR. Putin and his cronies can’t afford to see the Ukraine follow the rest of the former Warsaw Pact, democratising, joining NATO and the EU, and showing the Russian Federation up for the dystopian nightmare it really is.

    350. Hatuey says:

      Half the battle in life is just turning up. I’ve learned that a thousand times, in a thousand different places.

      Alba has turned up and it’s going to be there in the background if we ever need to mobilise the indy movement and people of Scotland (soon to be one and the same thing) in a hurry.

      We seem to be transitioning into a post-corona world right now. As we do that, more and more people are going to notice that Sturgeon is worse than useless.

      We should be capitalising on Boris, Brexit, rising energy and living costs, the handling of the pandemic, etc., using these things to massively increase support for independence. Instead, Sturgeon’s SNP has indulged in policies and ideas that most normal people think are bonkers.

      We all know that. But we don’t know how things are going to unfold in the next few months. It’s hard to imagine the pressure on the SNP not leading to some sort of dramatic developments. And if or when it does, as I said, Alba is there; because Alba turned up.

      We need to be patient for a few weeks.

      Soon we will be able to do stuff again, as things open up. Everybody needs to get involved and push for success in the council elections.

      If you can donate money, donate money.

      If you can hand out leaflets, hand out leaflets.

      If you can write, write. Etc., etc.

      In short, just as Alba turned up, we all need to turn up — it’s time to stop moaning and bickering and get involved.

      Ask not what Alba can do for you; ask what you can do for Alba.

    351. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 10.38 am

      Alba isn’t the SNP Ruby. I’m allowed to say I’d rather not have the support of roasters like you: I’m perfectly entitled to my opinion. If some folk don’t like it: tough! I’m not representing anyone but myself. I’m not claiming to talk on
      behalf of the party or that my opinions are party policy.

      Like many unreasoning hysterics you’re quick to draw conclusions where they aren’t merited and to assert things you imagine are facts. It’s not possible to reason with people who hold faith based positions.

      you’re not a reasonable person Ruby. You’re a potty mouthed low life who any party would do well to steer clear of, whether as a member or supporter.

    352. Chas says:

      Robbo

      I regret to advise that I am unable to respond to your points. Mainly because they are irrelevant and I simply cannot be arsed.
      Keep churning out the dross and you will be another poster, when I see your name, I will move on to the next one without reading.

    353. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      14 February, 2022 at 10:18 am
      @Ruby 10.05 am

      “Their behaviour is totally out of order.”

      Says the barely verbal Tourette’s addled freak who can barely post a contribution without dropping the c-bomb. Irony indeed….

      “I do hope James Che isn’t upset by these two bullying cunts.”

      It’s not bullying to call out a fringe obsessive for flooding the threads with ill-considered barely literate bilge. James is a big boy. At least nobody is calling him a cunt on every contribution they make tho’ eh?

      What is the difference between calling someone ‘a barely verbal Tourette’s addled freak’ and calling someone a cunt?

      I don’t have Tourettes but there are some people who do and I don’t think they would appreciate your use of their disability to mock others.

      Why so upset about being called a cunt?

      Could it be because it’s true!

    354. Effigy says:

      Russia has already stolen a significant part of the Ukraine, so it the U.K. threat of sanctions
      the same sanctions that Russia are not too troubled by from that?

      What’s is the U.K. and NATO doing about China invading Tibet?
      What will they do if China goes into Tiwan?

      The military capabilities of the U.K. and NATO are insignificant to those of Russia and China.
      Nuclear threat is all the West has but only a madman would consider blowing up the whole planet.

      Look at the night of the US in Vietnam being beaten by peasant farmers.
      Neither Russia or Western Forces could secure Afghanistan but a few thousand inhabitants with old weapons and woolly hats secured the country in 2 weeks.

      The Western politicians need something major to take off the heat from Covid incompetencies and cost of living increases sending millions into poverty.

    355. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 10.45 am

      Sound advice indeed. I am perhaps less sanguine than you that there will be any dramatic developments in the next few months. I reckon it’ll take a while after the Council elections for the “full burach” to sink in.

      It may seem like a long haul but I don’t see any real prospect of progress until Holyrood 2026 elections, which gives us a fair while to prepare…..

    356. Ruby says:

      Chas says:
      14 February, 2022 at 10:52 am

      Keep churning out the dross and you will be another poster, when I see your name, I will move on to the next one without reading.

      By George, he’s got it!

      Happy Valentines Day Chas!

      Red rose, Love heart & Chocs emoji!

    357. Andy Ellis says:

      @Effigy 10.57 am

      “The military capabilities of the U.K. and NATO are insignificant to those of Russia and China.”

      That’s a startlingly ill-informed and wrong headed statement even by the standards of some of the moon howlers soiling the BTL comments on here.

    358. Ruby says:

      FAO Robbo

      Just to be clear I wasn’t congratulating Chas for claiming your post was dross. I was congratulating him for recognising that it was possible to move on from posts he thinks are dross or something he’s not interested in.

      It’s a pretty easy thing to do.
      For example currently I am scrolling past all post about Russia & Ukraine.
      I do not come to Wings to read about Russia & Ukraine.

      Happy Valentines Day to you too Robbo.
      Red Rose, Love Heart & Chocs emoji
      🙂

      Chas says:
      14 February, 2022 at 10:52 am

      Keep churning out the dross and you will be another poster, when I see your name, I will move on to the next one without reading.

      By George, he’s got it!

      Happy Valentines Day Chas!

      Red Rose, Love Heart & Chocs emoji!

    359. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      14 February, 2022 at 11:11 am
      @Effigy 10.57 am

      “The military capabilities of the U.K. and NATO are insignificant to those of Russia and China.”

      That’s a startlingly ill-informed and wrong headed statement even by the standards of some of the moon howlers soiling the BTL comments on here.

      The only thing the above post tells us is that Andy Ellis gets his rocks off by bullying & calling people names!

      Can you imagine what he was like as a teacher! Do you think this song is about him?

      “Oor wee school’s a good wee school,
      It’s made o’ bricks and mortar.
      The only thing that’s wrang wi’ it,
      Is the baldy-headed master.

      He goes to the pub on Saturday night
      And then to church on Sunday.
      To pray to God to gie him strength,
      To belt the wean’s on Monday.”

    360. Ian Brotherhood says:

      For those who are still watching the whole ‘bug’ situation…

      Excellent Twitter account, started in Sept last year, called Freedom Podcast.

      It has been pursuing FOI requests with Scotland’s local authorities, asking for disclosure of confirmed ‘Covid’ deaths. Some LAs are digging their heels in, stalling, but others have complied. The stats are there for all to see. Scroll down to find copies of original correspondence.

      @FreedomPodcast1

    361. James Che. says:

      Chas,
      Ruby.

      Thanks for some support ruby,
      It is always nice to be considerate of each other.

      Chas.
      my politics concerning Nicola Sturgeon is not dis- similar to your own,
      She is useless for Scotland as a leader. And society in Scotland is being lead into and entrenchment of wokeism and global agendas we did not vote for.
      And when we see attempts to imprison people illegally in connection to court case and free speech we know Scotland in general has taken the wrong route.
      I am also aware that should independent Scotland ever happen it will be because of a miracle not the snp.
      Nor would we want such a spineless woke party to speak up for us on a world stage.
      It would be a despotic disaster to the future of Scotland.

      But here is the bigger picture.

      The snp have been on the party list for over seventy years,
      The Tory party the longest.
      Labour Party after the second ww2 war,
      Lib- dems similar.
      And the Green Party, are out there to distort the life we know basically since evolution began.

      This is our political choice in Britain if we go to elections for a solution.
      There is not a choice to be made between them,
      Between all of them, they are destroying not only Scotland, BUT Wales, N Ireland and England as separate entities.
      From my political point of view this is total destruction of Britain.

      And from a logical point of view whom are our nearest neighbours.. those above.
      So should Scotland be independent in the future, it could not trade with either of these smaller country’s if they are financially and business wise on their knees. Corrupted and destroyed.

      It is for England, Wales and N Ireland to wake up and realise what is destroying it from within.
      Scotland and the Scottish people are mostly already there in recognising that their country is being manipulated for the greater good of global ideology of the few.

      Elections do not alter the situation or remedy a better future.
      For these have been set up by the very groups we are trying to shake off our shoulders to save Scotland at least.

      So as much as it may bore the tits of, of those on the payroll for global ideology agenderists.

      We have to think of how we got here is the first instant.
      We have to remedy the foundation original problem,
      That began for Scotland with being in the 1707 treaty of the union.
      And I am not surprised I get attacked so heavily for this,
      As it would spoil those people on the payrolls future if we destroyed following their ideology
      They will fight tooth and nail to the last.
      They will abuse and bully.
      They will call us morons, knuckle draggers, moon howlers or whatever other abuse that may come to mind.
      We are destroying their future dream of running and owning Scotland in financial gain,
      The world is much bigger than Scotland, and the strings are being financed and funded from outwith of Scotland.
      So we must find an alternative to crooked elections as we must for crooked laws and courts.

    362. James Che. says:

      Chas,
      Ruby.

      Thanks for some support ruby,
      It is always nice to be considerate of each other.

      Chas.
      my politics concerning Nicola Sturgeon is not dis- similar to your own,
      She is useless for Scotland as a leader. And society in Scotland is being lead into and entrenchment of wokeism and global agendas we did not vote for.
      And when we see attempts to imprison people illegally in connection to court case and free speech we know Scotland in general has taken the wrong route.
      I am also aware that should independent Scotland ever happen it will be because of a miracle not the snp.
      Nor would we want such a spineless woke party to speak up for us on a world stage.
      It would be a despotic disaster to the future of Scotland.

      But here is the bigger picture.

      The snp have been on the party list for over seventy years,
      The Tory party the longest.
      Labour Party after the second ww2 war,
      Lib- dems similar.
      And the Green Party, are out there to distort the life we know basically since evolution began.

      This is our political choice in Britain if we go to elections for a solution.
      There is not a choice to be made between them,
      Between all of them, they are destroying not only Scotland, BUT Wales, N Ireland and England as separate entities.
      From my political point of view this is total destruction of Britain.

      And from a logical point of view whom are our nearest neighbours.. those above.
      So should Scotland be independent in the future, it could not trade with either of these smaller country’s if they are financially and business wise on their knees. Corrupted and destroyed.

      It is for England, Wales and N Ireland to wake up and realise what is destroying it from within.
      Scotland and the Scottish people are mostly already there in recognising that their country is being manipulated for the greater good of global ideology of the few.

      Elections do not alter the situation or remedy a better future.
      For these have been set up by the very groups we are trying to shake off our shoulders to save Scotland at least.

      So as much as it may bore the tits of, of those on the payroll for global ideology agenderists.

      We have to think of how we got here is the first instant.
      We have to remedy the foundation original problem,
      That began for Scotland with being in the 1707 treaty of the union.
      And I am not surprised I get attacked so heavily for this,
      As it would spoil those people on the payrolls future if we destroyed following their ideology
      They will fight tooth and nail to the last.
      They will abuse and bully.
      They will call us morons, knuckle draggers, moon howlers or whatever other abuse that may come to mind.
      We are destroying their future dream of running and owning Scotland in financial gain,
      The world is much bigger than Scotland, and the strings are being financed and funded from outwith of Scotland.
      So we must find an alternative to crooked elections as we must for crooked laws and courts. Or Scotland will be ended as a country.

    363. James Che. says:

      N Ireland is already experiencing this as the good Friday agreements are being dismantled and they are being ignored,
      Wales is going to the dogs as we speak.
      And England’s parliamentary rule is being jovially ended by Tories.

      What do we want is the question?
      And how are we going to achieve this, if not by their rules?

    364. John Main says:

      Ruby says (to me)

      “I always found you to be a pretty decent chap”

      Did you just assume my gender there Ruby?

      You are skating on thin ice. The next poster you do that to may not be so forgiving.

    365. James Che. says:

      Ian brotherhood.

      I forget how it was framed when I read it in a hurry yesterday..

      Basically under covid/ legislation rules bought in by uk to be used as guidance to devolved governments.

      The can delay or make changes to information that is requested by the public or by lets say “journalists”

      It also states that the under covid 2020 guidelines, that if someone has died and the person is to be cremated it does not have to have a medical confirmitory certificate ,

      In a another peice of lesion it states that there was an extension for fingerprints and DNA profiles .

      I found this by accident when looking into something else, hence did not pay much attention at time,

    366. James Che. says:

      Here we come………2026.

      Great another carrot gangling momentum.

    367. Ron Maclean says:

      ‘moon howlers’, ‘Shills gonna shill’, ‘buys in to the schtick’, ‘hot takes’, ‘roasters’, ‘zoomers’…

      The language of the colonial elite when trying to suppress rebellious native dissidents?

    368. Dorothy Devine says:

      Ron Maclean , got it in one – most likely banned from other sites so have come back to insult /denigrate and display their pomposity.

    369. Andy Ellis says:

      @James Che 12.02 & 1.57 pm

      “Great another carrot gangling momentum.” &

      “So we must find an alternative to crooked elections as we must for crooked laws and courts. Or Scotland will be ended as a country.”

      So come on James, what’s the alternative to these crooked elections that will deliver indy before 2026?

      I’m all on board with those who think there’s zero chance of the SNP/Greens delivering #indyref2 in the first half of this Holyrood parliament – or indeed ever -, but insisting that “something” is going to happen before the next Holyrood elections begs the question of what?

      Not elections according to you, but some airy fairy notion that there will be a majority of Scots supporting an altogether novel and unprecedented constitutional revolution, whereby the Scottish people somehow enfranchise a new body to declare independence on their behalf.

      That’s the plan?

      And you think the SNP and Greens are going to say: “Yeah, that sounds like a great idea, let’s do that?”. Sounds like fantasy politics to me, but if it makes you feel better, carry on. It’ll have about as much effect as your endless diatribes about the Treaty of Union, but perhaps be less tedious.

    370. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      14 February, 2022 at 1:17 pm
      Ruby says (to me)

      “I always found you to be a pretty decent chap”

      Did you just assume my gender there Ruby?

      You are skating on thin ice. The next poster you do that to may not be so forgiving.

      I assumed you identified as male due to your moniker and the lack of pronouns in your post.

      You really need to help us out here ‘sweetie’ and tell us your pronouns.

      Can you inform all posters especially ones that might use the moniker ‘Big Bill’ or something similar that this is not zoom and I can’t see if they are wearing female fancy dress or not.
      What’s the worst that could happen to me if I called ‘Big Bill’ even if he was wearing female fancy dress a decent chap?

      Hoping the following doesn’t get me accused of sexual harassment but it would be helpful if you answered the following:

      What are you wearing?

      If you tell me it’s a ‘cat suit’ you are definitely going to have to tell me your pronouns.
      Although I believe ‘Good Pussy’ is gender neutral.

      PS. I am a transphobe however to avoid being arrested for calling you a ‘decent chap’ I will call you whatever you want.

      Correction to earlier post

      John Main is a ‘good pussy’ but he’s a ‘deluded fuckwit’ if he believes there are a shitload of folk reading the BTL comments here on Wings.

    371. Andy Ellis says:

      @dotty Devine 2.41 pm

      Better that than coming back here to display their ignorance like you. Of course, it isn’t a sin to be ignorant, it is a sin to be so proud of your achievement tho’!

      Doubtless you’ll be parroting the “The military capabilities of the U.K. and NATO are insignificant to those of Russia and China” line too? Or trying to tone police the site for what topics are acceptable, or if it’s OK to point and laugh at dunderheided contributions like the Treaty of Union Gospel according to James Che?

      Sheesh…what a bin fire.

    372. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ron MacLean 2.04 pm

      “The language of the colonial elite when trying to suppress rebellious native dissidents?”

      Well, no. Entirely fair comment about the pretensions of vanishingly small (if regrettably noisy) claque who have somehow convinced themselves they represent the “silent majority” in Scotland. If it wasn’t so risible it’d almost be funny.

      You and others aren’t being bullied, suppressed or treated as rebellious native dissidents. You’re being mocked for the preposterous notion that the handful of roasters in here, who push the unholy trifecta of anti-vaxxer sentiment, ethno-nationalism and an absolute certainty that there is some extra-parliamentary route to independence bypassing a referendum or election, are in any way representative.

      James and others keep assuring us that Scotland is doomed if we don’t *do something*, and that elections are pointless. Apparently the magical answer is in minute examination of 300 year old Treaties, which will waft us to the sunny uplands of independence on the back of some cock and bull plan for a Grand Panjandrum Constitutional Convention or Secretariat.

      Problem is, nobody really buys in to the fanciful notion that there’s a cunning short cut, still less that folk like James and some of the others fluffing this nonsense should be trusted to organise the running of a whelk stall, still less a Constitutional Convention.

      Of course, othering those on your own side who disagree with you as part of the colonial elite just makes you look intellectually dishonest, as well as a bit unhinged. It’s the kind of tactics yoons used during #indyref1 when trying to discredit pro-independence voices. It does you and others apeing their tactics little credit, but then thankfully you represent a vanishingly small proportion of the movement. We can all be thankful for that at least.

    373. Ottomanboi says:

      In the name of Father Davos and of the Son of Davos and of the Holy Spirit of Davos….
      How THEY, unelected, unaccountable, gods of the dollarverse rule our lives.
      Read DAVOS MAN by Peter S Goodman. Beg, borrow or steel…
      Not perfect but by American standards an indictment of globalist capitalism.
      A sample.
      https://archive.fo/be11K
      Unfortunately, he does not quite make the link between the artificially fabricated and hyped pandemic and the squillions pharma and guys like this (they are saving the world!!!!) have made.

    374. Robert Graham says:

      Eh time for another booster Ellis

      Question why the hatred for people who won’t or can’t take the serum ? is it personal ? I guess you are jabbed up to the eyeballs with this serum so what’s your problem ? you have total protection haven’t you.

      Or is it maybe these nuts might just be right and all these stores of people contracting AIDS , HIV and severe heart problems are just scary stories well I am sure you are about to find out,

      I have only one concern my only is maybe contracting the plague you however have a whole different ball game to contend with pal

      When a drug manufacturer has total indemnity against liability and prosecution then the recipients of their product have the problem because they have no interest in making it safe just as cheap as they can ,checking and testing cost money.

      You have a nice day now and leave us nutcases alone we’re not doing you any harm because you are fully protected , Aren’t you ?

    375. Andy Ellis says:

      @Robert Graham 4.34 pm

      See…there you go again, asserting stuff you’ve made up as *facts*. Where did I say I hated the great unvaxxed then Robert? If people can’t take the vaccine for some medical reason that’s a different thing from folk refusing to take it for woo-woo reasons they read in the interweb.

      From what I’ve read however there are no known medical conditions absolutely preventing people from getting the vaccine. Reports suggest around 5 in a million cases suffer severe allergic reactions, but the effects are easily treatable. US studies suggested that if every single person in the USA was vaccinated only 1600 out of 330 million would have had such a reaction.

      Vaccination doesn’t provide total protection. It’s odd that so many Covidiots come out with this guff. Asserting that it *might* be right that being vaccinated means people contract AIDS, HIV or have heart problems just makes you look a bit, well….unhinged.

      The unvaccinated can and do inflict harm on others. That’s the whole point of trying to get as many vaccinated as possible. It’s pretty basic stuff. Of course the selfish and self absorbed will always come up with some bullshit distraction to excuse their selfishness. I’m happy to leave them to it. I don’t advocate mandatory vaccination or vaccine passports, I just think people should follow science, not woo-woo. It simply isn’t true that those refusing to be vaccinated aren’t doing any harm, but there’s no point arguing with most covidiots: experience shows they aren’t open to reason. Like most faith based extremists it’s best to leave them to their delusions.

    376. Russia flexing their muscles after US retreated from Afghanistan,

      do US want to go back into another war after humiliation of Afghanistan (i`m sure the US/UK war industry do)

      do Russia want another humiliation like they got in Afghanistan,

      China will be sitting back and enjoying the show.

    377. John Main says:

      @Andy Ellis

      “The unvaccinated can and do inflict harm on others”

      And your point is?

      Here’s one for you.

      The woman who chooses to abort her pregnancy can and does inflict harm on others.

      So here’s my position. The right of any woman to have total control over her body, right up to and including where her right causes the death of the unborn and possibly severe anguish to those who know her is not negotiable and is unquestioned by me. Almost certainly, you believe the same.

      I want any woman, and everybody else, to have the same bodily rights when it comes to Covid vaccines.

      BTW, vaxxed 3 times myself, so don’t try the cheap anti-vaxxer gibe.

      I may change my views when Covid vaccine testing is complete and the true safety facts are known. About 8 years still to go on that one. Please don’t claim that long-term, or even medium-term, testing has been completed.

    378. John Main says:

      Ruby

      I have a half bottle of red left over from the weekend.

      If I drink it, what’s the chances of me being a “tight pussy”?

    379. Ottomanboi says:

      ANDY ELLIS.
      Follow «the science», the media and government trope of the last two years of covid panic, but WHICH science?
      Science is not «a dead cert» but a discipline dependent on experiment, observation, trial and error. The scientific method has no secret code to access the «authentic» the «absolute». Knowledge is not static. Mistakes, miscalculations, false trails are very much part of the discipline.
      There is now evidence that the vaccinated may possibly be more at risk of immunological problems than the unvaccinated. As vaccines «take over» the immune system in order to be effective that has a strong base in «the science».
      I and my parents are among the dread, selfish unvaxxed heretics. Collectively, we have had not so much as a sniffle over the period of the «pandemic».
      King’s new clothes….indeed.
      Enjoy your fear!

    380. Andy Ellis says:

      @John Main 6.06 pm

      You’re right, I do believe the same. I suspect that most folk with a similar political outlook in our generation/s (apologies if I’m mis-ageing you) would feel the same barring personal religious considerations, but I don’t know if the parallel with being vaccinated or not is really comparing like with like. It is a thought provoking comparison though.

      I’m not sure I buy the line that not being vaccinated is just a matter of freedom to decide and can therefore be divorced from the logical concomitants of the potential harms posed by lots of people being unvaccinated.

      I haven’t made any claims about long or medium term testing.

    381. Republicofscotland says:

      So Scotland is to get two new freeports, disguised as Greenports, talk about greenwashing. The SNP Finance secretary Katie Forbes appears to be over the moon at the prospect.

      However freeports, drive down wages, they increase smuggling, fraud, tax evasion, among other negative impacts, like the great Scotwind giveaway by the SNP government freeports, sorry greenports, (talk about calling a spade a shovel) are not what we need when it comes to ports.

    382. Republicofscotland says:

      Forget Sturgeons unicorn laden indyref for a moment, Mr Stephen Lackadaisical want the UK government to change the Scotland Act to stop Scotland from holding an indyref forever.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19923884.uk-urged-ban-scottish-parliament-working-independence-referendum%2F

    383. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ottomanboi

      I’m not afraid, just disheartened by some peoples selfishness.

      I’m glad you and your parents have been OK. Many others haven’t been so lucky. I know people who have died, including a 25 year old who was immune suppressed due to cancer treatment.

      I have family and friends working in the NHS. I’ll be guided by them, not conspiracy theorists on the internet. None of them gives any credence to those refusing vaccination and neither do I.

    384. Republicofscotland says:

      Next indyref (AUOB) march 5th March.

      The Paisley march will begin at Ferguslie Gardens at 12.30pm and take the following route: Ferguslie Main Road, Broomlands Street, Wellmeadow Street, Lady Lane, George Street, Causeyside Street, St Mirren Street, High Street, Wellmeadow Street, Broomlands Street, Ferguslie Main Road, before returning back to Ferguslie Gardens.

      This from the SNP.

      The march will feature speakers from the SNP, which says it aims to line up appearances from party figures at “every possible” Yes event going forward.

      There must be an election in the offing soon, with this lot coming out the woodwork.

    385. Republicofscotland says:

      Well we have Ian (Scotland won’t stand for it) Blackford, do Whitehall’s dirty work for it by denouncing Putin and Russia, and bumping his gums on the staged Skirpal event, Johnson and Ben Wallace must be thinking to themselves why do we need to bark when we have such a good dog as Blackford to do it for us.

      Of course Whitehall stooges include SNP MP Stewart McDonald, Alyn Smyth, John Nicolson and few others, posing as indy minded SNP MPs. Blackford and Co should keep their mouths shut and focus on what we elected them to do, which is to help facilitate Scotland’s exit out of this rancid union, and not to be Westminster’s lackeys.

    386. Robert Hughes says:

      What’s the difference between someone who yells ” Transphobe ” at anyone who questions their position and someone who yells ” Anti-Vaxxer ” at anyone who raises questions about vaccines ?

      None .

      They are people who have swallowed a particular worldview whole and are unable/unwilling to concede they might not have a monopoly on truth , that the questioner may have valid perceptions based on personal observation and different , equally valid data .

      No Independent thought = No Independence .

      Scotland just another compliant, helpless ghost in the Power and Money-driven machine ?

      Not much of prospect is it ?

    387. Ottomanboi says:

      ANDY ELLIS
      From the outset fear of an unknown and deadly threat has been employed to motivate people to accept a higher degree of state control over lives than would be normal in peacetime. A forensic scrutiny of the origins of the data and the methodology used to promote it is suggestive of something «inordinate».
      My parents are scientists. What has struck them about the last two years is the unilateral source of data. In science there is always an «alternative». The lay media and government led campaign coupled with the high visibility of pharmaceutical companies and their spokespersons and personal protection product manufacturers making claims for the efficacy of their wares has turned the whole thing into macabre psedoscience farce. The news that «billions» have been spent on the latter by supposedly democratic governments worldwide, tolittle avail,ought to set alarm bells ringing.
      Stats have been massaged to inflate deaths «due to covid» when pre-existing underlying conditions were most likely to be the cause. It is possible to die of a head cold if the conditions of frailty or autoimmune deficiency obtain but that possibility of the commonplace influencing outcome was never factored into the morbid media mantra.
      The scenario is quite sinister and who is paying the actors?

    388. Ron Maclean says:

      @Andy Ellis 3:26pm

      ‘Entirely fair comment about the pretensions …’

      ‘moon howlers’, ‘Shills gonna shill’, ‘buys in to the schtick’, ‘hot takes’, ‘roasters’, ‘zoomers’…

      + ‘You’re being mocked for the preposterous notion that the handful of roasters in here, who push the unholy trifecta of anti-vaxxer sentiment, ethno-nationalism and an absolute certainty that there is some extra-parliamentary route to independence bypassing a referendum or election, are in any way representative.’

      +?

      It can’t get worse, can it?

    389. Robert Hughes says:

      Otto @ 7.51

      Spot-on

    390. Saffron Robe says:

      Robert Hughes @ 7:28 pm and Ottomanboi @ 7:51 pm, two excellent comments.

      Robert, you are quite correct to draw the parallels between transgenderism and transhumanism. Etymology alone makes this clear. They are also both driven by Big Pharma.

    391. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      14 February, 2022 at 6:09 pm
      Ruby

      I have a half bottle of red left over from the weekend.

      If I drink it, what’s the chances of me being a “tight pussy”?

      These ‘quadruple entendre’ questions are always tricky. Since you are a decent enough pronoun I’ll do my best to answer.

      1. Will half a bottle of left over red wine make you tight? Only if you are a total lightweight. However if you have fully transition into a cat it will kill you.

      2. Half a bottle of left over red wine will not give you a ‘tight pussy’ just the opposite. If that is something you want can I suggest you do your kegels or if that seems too much like hard work then a little operation could do the trick. It only cost around £3K and hey presto you become a born again virgin.

      3. Will half a bottle of left over red wine make you skinflint? Nothing will change if you were a tight bastard before drinking the wine you will remain a tight bastard.

      According to Google there are 65 different definitions of the word tight!
      Hopefully you are tight with me just covering three.

      However if you need more help just let me know.

      Good night! Sleep Tight!

    392. Hatuey says:

      “«billions» have been spent on the latter by supposedly democratic governments worldwide, tolittle avail,ought to set alarm bells ringing.
      Stats have been massaged to inflate deaths «due to covid» when pre-existing underlying conditions were most likely to be the cause.“

      1) Anyone that thinks the expenditure on PPE, testing, furlough, and vaccines, was money simply wasted (“to little avail”) is a dangerous fruitcake.

      2) Determining the cause of death is often impossible or extremely difficult, as any doctor will tell you. There’s nearly always more than one or two complicating factors, known and unknown underlying health issues, etc. It’s complicated and it always was…

      There’s a discussion to be had about the safety of certain vaccines and their delivery but the atmosphere is so poisoned that nobody wants to go near it, myself included.

      3) Most health experts will tell you that covid deaths have most certainly been significantly underreported, and for obvious reasons; many countries simply haven’t had adequate testing facilities in place and, consequently, many people have died with covid without diagnosis; and that includes first world countries.

      The numbers tell you everything you need to know 😐

    393. Saffron Robe says:

      It could also be said that trans rights are not human rights but transhuman rights which is why there is such a clash with the human rights of women and children.

    394. Dorothy Devine says:

      My thoughts regarding Ukraine , perfectly expressed by another on the Guardian,

      “I have two thoughts on this: firstly that this is convenient timing, pushing Johnson’s repeated malfeasance off the front pages, and secondly people are getting terribly het up by all this, and I wonder why they aren’t so concerned with Palestine, Syria, Yemen, Myanmar, the various interminable ongoing conflicts in Africa and the rest of the nastiness people are visiting on other people all around the world.

      I’m not convinced that Britain is in any position to lecture other countries about marching into their neighbours’ territory. However if it does turn nasty we should have a grand excuse to confiscate any Russian-owned property in the UK and turn it into much needed council housing. Just a thought.”

    395. wull says:

      Ottomanboi @ 7.51, yesterday evening: excellent post. Thank you.

      Also agree with the conclusion Saffron Robe draws @ 1.00 a.m. this morning.

      Ruby and John Main: wouldn’t you be better to change the subject, or just stop talking to each other through this forum?

      If you want to hold a private conversation with each other, wouldn’t the best way be for you to exchange phone numbers, and keep it private?

      I am sure you both have much better things to say publicly, here on this site, which would be more relevant to its goals and its spirit, and more interesting for other readers.

      Or am I wrong there? I hope not.

    396. Andy Ellis says:

      @wull 8.10 am

      I’m genuinely interested why you think it’s OK to tone police the site? On the one hand, you fulsomely compliment Ottoman boy on his comment, so presumably you agree with his “take” on the issue rather than Hatuey’s, but then you advise those involved to take it elsewhere. Seems a bit odd. Is it only vaccine related chat you object to, or is there a list of other subjects that are tabu as well? Ukraine? TRA? If so, why, and who appointed you the arbiter?

      Yesterday we had some of the worst of the moon howlers bemoaning the fact not enough people were contributing. Doubtless they meant not enough people who agreed with their fringe world view. Still seems a bit odd. What you’re left with is an echo chamber for the basket of deplorables to have a circle jerk about James Che’s latest epistle on the Treaty of Union, how we wuz robbed because we’re a colony, and inchoate screeching that independence has to happen quickly but not by any accepted electoral or parliamentary route, or low lives like Ruby exchanging double entendres (for which there isn’t enough mind bleach in the world) about getting pissed, which most of us had always assume was her normal state given the contributions.

      I don’t generally agree with much of what Ottomanboi posts, and have had my differences with Hatuey on some things and agreed with him on others, but this place would be a lot better off if there were more contributions like theirs, now fewer.

    397. Andy Ellis says:

      @Dorothy Devine

      Stun us wi’ another Dotty is a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, that MUST be the answer, the world revolves around British politics and protecting our oaf of a PM, so lets provoke a war between Russia and the Ukraine to give him some relief.

      No great shock the tin foil hattery is then leavened with a shovelful of whataboutery that “we” are in no position to moralise because Palestine/Syria/Yemen etc. etc. The cri di coeur of appeasers throughout history. Luckily for what passes for your conscience Ukraine is further away than Czechoslovakia “a quarrel in a far away country, between people of whom we know nothing”.

    398. Ruby says:

      wull says:
      15 February, 2022 at 8:10 am

      Ruby and John Main: wouldn’t you be better to change the subject, or just stop talking to each other through this forum?

      If you want to hold a private conversation with each other, wouldn’t the best way be for you to exchange phone numbers, and keep it private?

      Another bully dictating what should and shouldn’t be posted here on Wings.

      You are not the moderator wull. Rev Stu is and if you were really interested in the goals & spirit of this site you would pay attention to what he said!

      HE BANNED ALL DISCUSSION ABOUT COVID.

      Just to be clear I am not complaining about people talking about Covid, Ukraine or whatever the fuck they want to but I am complaining about bully boys like yourself trying to dictate what others post.

      You complain about boring posts while posting one very seriously boring post.

    399. Ruby says:

      I’m fed up with this site.

      There are too many boring old misogynistic farts posting here.

      We need more women!

      Andy Ellis is well wound up again today!

      He’s not happy with the contributions on this site but he stuck here because anywhere else he goes he gets banned.

    400. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 9.24 am

      I’d stick to simpering double and triple entendres in hope of getting yer rocks off Rubes: seems more your level? You just lack the intellectual height for the roller coaster rides you so desperately want to climb on board.

      There used to be a fair number of women posting on here, but like most online sites it’s a minority.

      As far as I’m aware the only site I’m banned from is Twatter, which was for the same reason and much the same time as Rev Stu and many others for daring to deny that TWAW. I’m not happy with some of the comments on here, true….but twas ever thus. Surprisingly I actually agree with Stu’s light touch moderation policy in general, and always have. The issue is when individuals like CBB of ill fame, and James Che more recently, resort to “flooding” which seems to me a perfectly reasonable response as it derails threads and switches people off.

      I’d have though most folk would want more contributors and a wider range of topics rather than fewer, particularly where the overall volume is way down from before Stu announced his decision to wind the place up at some point.

      Not of course that I’d see you as in any way a reasonable person of course. That ship sailed long since. You’re just another from the basket of deplorables, very much part of the problem, not part of the solution.

      Since it’s holiday time it’s been fun pointing and laughing at the tin foil hat wearers in here: you know the types like RoS who think the Russians had nowt to do with the Skripals being poisoned. It’s almost funny reading their output. Soon I’ll be off to the Emerald Isle for a break, amongst folk who know how to do independence properly. I bet most of them would be horrified by some of the woo-woo pish that passes for comment in here.

    401. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 12.47 am

      There you go again, applying logic to the situation. It’ll never catch on with the moon howling fraternity BTL in here you realise. I keep telling you: you can’t educate pork.

      There is little point trying to reason with their faith based positions: these are the kind of people who think Russia had nothing to do with the poisoning of the Skripals, who unselfconsciously use terms like “Great Satan”, who opine that the Ukraine isn’t something we should worry about because it’s all a huge plot to keep BoJo’s most recent crisis from the front page.

      They’d be comical if they weren’t so toxic to the movement. Of course it’s fun to hold what passes for their reasoning up to the light, point and laugh. More seriously it’s not a great look for the independence movement more broadly, or a new party like Alba in particular to be associated with such deranged conspiracy theorising. It appeals to a vanishingly small proportion of voters and is the very definition of an electoral cul-de-sac. Yet these fringe elements really have pretensions of leading the movement.

      It is to laugh.

      No wonder they get paltry turnouts for their matches. Most ordinary folk would cross the road to avoid them, still less come out for a Scottish La Diada!

    402. Ruby says:

      or low lives like Ruby exchanging double entendres (for which there isn’t enough mind bleach in the world) about getting pissed, which most of us had always assume was her normal state given the contributions.

      Andy Ellis loves it here because he can get away with posting the above. On any other site he would be banned.

      I am not complaining ‘cos I am allowed to point out that Andy Ellis is a cunt.

      Unlike Andy Ellis I know that most sites would not permit me to call others a cunt Ellis on the other hand doesn’t seem able to change his M.O. hence the reason he is stuck on Wings he’s banned from every other site.

    403. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      15 February, 2022 at 9:50 am

      There is little point trying to reason with their faith based positions: these are the kind of people

      blah blah blah

      SSDD

    404. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      15 February, 2022 at 9:37 am
      @Ruby 9.24 am

      I’d stick to simpering double and triple entendres in hope of getting yer rocks off Rubes: seems more your level? You just lack the intellectual height for the roller coaster rides you so desperately want to climb on board.

      Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

      SSDD

    405. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Dirty tricks by a Swedish state-owned company?

      https://tinyurl.com/yz5rv7cz

    406. Andy Ellis says:

      Loathe as I am to soil this place with something from the Torygraph (I’m thinking scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark where the writing burns off the wooden packing case!), seems like an interesting development….

      I wonder if they can be prevailed upon to support Alba, or if they’ll end up fielding candidates of their own?

      “‘Army of women’ mobilised to fight Nicola Sturgeon’s transgender reforms”

      https://archive.is/tK3Xw

    407. James Che. says:

      Sorry . I ain’t gone away, just been really busy.

      Who remembers AS being mocked for not having a plan ( B.?

      Who remembers how many mandates and elections we have been through.?

      Whom is aware that political parties do not hold to their manifestos after being elected..

      And who is aware that coalitions shortly after elections changes policies and what we voted for.

      We need other alternatives to be discussed, not shot down
      We need more than one plan, as that one plan may fail.

      We need to discuss colonialism attitudes to Scotland,
      We need to discuss wether the 1707 treaty of the union is being adhered to.

      We need to discuss where (we are ) with globalist ideology interference and funding.
      We need to discuss why some hold a belief that an international treaty would be ignored in Europe.

      It would be presumptuous and arrogant to presume that we must only follow one plan,
      But it is worrying when some one takes up the position of leader in charge without any of us electing them.
      The feeling of being corralled down a one way gully to be ambushed in the next elections does not sit easy.

      And it has to be said there is one or two presuming an awful lot in telling us not to think over or discuss those alternatives. We are not sheep. We may not want to be corralled and led to slaughter.

      Suppressing and bullying Scottish People’s voices, thoughts or ideas into a narrow gully. Is suicidal to Scottish independence.

    408. Hatuey says:

      Ellis playing a blinder, keeping the rabble in line, yet again…

      “I’d stick to simpering double and triple entendres in hope of getting yer rocks off Rubes”

      I found some of the comments referred to deeply disturbing.

    409. Andy Ellis says:

      @James Che 11.33pm

      Time to put up or shut up you insufferable windbag. Nobody is trying to shut folk up, or appoint themselves to leadership positions, or say there is only one way. You and those who share your obsession can witter on about the Treaty of Union all you like, but must it always be at such length? Why use 100 words when 10 would do? Why flood the threads with the same tired old arguments which never actually come to any conclusions.

      They’re asking for evidence of what practical steps you’re proposing instead of the elections you keep insisting won’t work. We want to hear – since you’re such an amateur expert on the Treaties of Union – what the academic and legal opinions are to back up your hot take on their relevance to today’s situation, and how demonstrating that they had been breached is going to help.

      Given you bang on and on about this topic ad nauseam it’s passing strange that you haven’t managed to come up with ANY supporting information: no articles, no legal, constitutional or governmental opinions, articles or discussion backing up this asserted centrality of 300 year old Treaties in achieving our goal. Just the constantly regurgitated thoughts of Chairman James.

      One might almost think that it’s because it’s a pointless pass time with no real relevance to the issue at hand.

    410. Ron Maclean says:

      Interesting article ‘Alf Baird’s view on Freeports.’ on yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com Good comments too.

      Professor Baird is the author of ‘Doun-Hauden The Socio-Political Determinants of Scottish Independence’. The book includes a thought-provoking chapter on colonisation.

    411. Republicofscotland says:

      So the millionaire knight of the realm and leader of the Labour party Sir Keir Starmer has said there’s no case for rejoining the EU, even though UK businesses have suffered greatly without access to the EU market.

      Starmer once campaigned to remain in the EU, but since the witch hunt against the former socialist leader Jeremy Corbyn, it is now evident that Starmer is sitting on the wrong side of the house.

      What do we expect from the guy who cleared Met police officers from any guilt on murdering Charles de Menzes, and as as head of the DPP he’d have access and a final say on whether the DPP should or should not have prosecuted Jimmy Saville.

      Incidentally de Menzes family only received 100K in compensation for their sons murder, whilst ex-MI6 now the ex-Met chief Cressida Dick leaves with a £575,000 payoff, plus £160,000 a year pension.

    412. Confused says:

      Richard Murphy had a bit on freeports a while back; essentially another scam which robs the govt of tax revenue. I would expect the people who get the contracts to be big donors to the tory party.

      The pillage is in overdrive at the moment – more hydrocarbons, the windpower, now freeports – and no one seems that bothered.

    413. Republicofscotland says:

      It must break the warmongers hearts in the West, that one of their funded news outlet Reuters is reporting that some Russian troops are pulling out and heading back to base including tanks and armoured vehicles.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-returns-some-troops-bases-areas-near-ukraine-report-2022-02-15/#:~:text=MOSCOW%2C%20Feb%2015%20%28Reuters%29%20-%20Some%20troops%20in,could%20de-escalate%20frictions%20between%20Moscow%20and%20the%20West.

    414. Confused says:

      Oh Flower of Ex Regio
      when will we see
      OUR REVENUE AGAIN
      that flowed and gushed for
      inflating the pound throughout the neoliberal program
      creating a southern property bubble
      facilitating short range and selective trickle down policies to southern tories

      a wee bit hill and glen
      (lyrics need work)

    415. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 1.35 pm

      Doesn’t the fact that Reuters are reporting it kinda blow your conspiracy theorising out of the water though?

      Or is it just because as part of the Canadian listed Thomson Reuters group they are part of the capitalist running dog establishment they are obviously not to be trusted as agents of “the man”?

      How free do you think the press is in Russia to report on what’s happening in the Ukraine? Last time I looked Russia was 150th of 180 countries on the Press Freedom Index (2021). The UK was number 33, Ireland 12 and the top 4 were all Scandinavian.

    416. John Main says:

      @wull says – 15 February, 2022 at 8:10 am

      “Ruby and John Main: wouldn’t you be better to change the subject, or just stop talking to each other through this forum?

      If you want to hold a private conversation with each other, wouldn’t the best way be for you to exchange phone numbers, and keep it private?”

      Fair point Wull. It’s part of my “deluded f*ckwitery” that I like to lighten the mood a little sometimes – give the silent majority of readers I believe in a wee chuckle.

      God knows, every thinking Scot needs something to cheer him/her/it self up right now. Stick to the news and current affairs and despair sets in.

    417. Republicofscotland says:

      “Or is it just because as part of the Canadian listed Thomson Reuters group they are part of the capitalist running dog establishment they are obviously not to be trusted as agents of “the man”?”

      Lets see where to begin, the CEO of Reuters, James C. Smith is also on the board of the Atlantic Council, the most central military-industrial/NATO think-tank. Thomson Reuters consistently promotes a very strong pro-US/NATO line in geopolitical questions.

      The Canadian politician, and fluent Ukrainian speaker (her grandfather edited a sympathetic Nazi magazine) Chrystia Freeland was/is the global editor of Reuters, she’s a Russophobe, and is currently involved in Ukraine with regards to the ongoing unrest.

      Reuters also runs a private intelligence service, with commercial ties to governments and national intelligence services. The president of the company,Timothy P. Murphy, was previously the FBI’s Deputy Director and worked for the Bureau from 1988 until 2011, and the board is full of deep state operators.

      Just a wee peek behind a very large and heavy curtain on Reuters.

    418. John Main says:

      @Andy Ellis says – 15 February, 2022 at 8:31 am

      “this place would be a lot better off if there were more contributions, not fewer”

      Agreed.

      I see this site as a priceless asset. It should not be left to wither and die.

    419. James Che. says:

      Andy ellis.
      I do not see any mention of you’re name by myself in my post.
      Why do you take on such a manner?

      And by the way you are contradicting yourself with you’re first ten words, which followed by the next seven words seem to be a self inflicted internal matter.

    420. Republicofscotland says:

      The late Jeffery Epstein’s best buddy Prince Andrew settles out of court with Virginia Giuffre.

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/prince-andrew-and-virginia-giuffre-settle-out-of-court-over-civil-sex-assault-claim/ar-AATSNIe?ocid=msedgntp

    421. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 3.43 pm

      You can’t seriously be trying to damn someone’s reputation for the activities of their grandfather can you?

      Really?

      Surely being fluent in Ukrainian is a plus with respect to the current situation?

      So what if their CEO is on the Atlantic Council board? The vast majority of folk – including most you’re probably trying to convince to change from No to Yes voters – doubtless share a broadly Atlanticist outlook on geo-politics. They are staunchly pro-NATO, pro Western, multilateralist and regard Putin’s Russia and Xi Jinping’s China as regressive, authoritarian police states.

      Hard as you may personally find it to understand or empathise with, your far left outlook, shilling for Putin and constant references to the USA as the Great Satan don’t just make you look ridiculous, they are and will be a huge turn-off to the overwhelming majority of ordinary Scots voters.

      Painting yourself into a RISE style ideological cul de sac might give you la warm fuzzy glow and please your handlers, but its electoral kryptonite.

      Nobody but the nutter fringe really buys your ideological outlook: certainly not the bulk of social democrat voters currently still supporting the SNP, still less “soft No” voters still supporting British nationalist parties.

      You may have more of an audience in the further reaches of the nationalist movement, but if you think latter day Bolsheviks are ever going to be in a position to direct the independence movement, you’re even more delusional than your fervid imaginings suggest.

    422. Andy Ellis says:

      @James Che 4.27 pm

      It was a general response to your general – and as usual overlong and barely comprehensible – contribution. There’s no contradiction in my post. I understand you have dyslexia, but it’s hard to even make sense of some of your comments, such as the second paragraph of your latest one.

      The reasons I – and others – “take on” about your input are well rehearsed: they’re over long, far too numerous (“flooding” a thread is never a good thing), opaque to the point of being incomprehensible, and fixated on issues that are pointless and for which you provide no cogent argument, analysis, back up, evidence or interaction when you are called out to explain what it is you’re actually trying to say or achieve by punting your obsession.

      Happy to help!

    423. James Che. says:

      Confused.
      Not quite a southern property bubble only.

      Danish business man Anders povlsen owned/ own 13 estates in Scotland, his main pride and joy being Glen Feshie,
      And one of the main people pushing rewilding Scotland, COP 26 climate summit project.

      Cairngorms national Park owns 1, 748 square miles of Scotland.

      Royal Society for protection of birds owns Abernathy Reserve, and in 1988 was one of Europe’s largest land purchases.

      Border Forest Trust owns 4,527 acres.

      Lord Seafield own a lot but not sure of the mileage coverage.

      Balmoral Estate owns a lot. Again I do not know the miles or acres.

      Government Holding, own a lot but again not sure of miles or acres.

      This is the bit where I mention the treaty of union articles 8-14 😉

      If it were followed or adhered to.

      Scotland is to pay Land tax….

    424. Robert Hughes says:

      ” The vast majority of folk – including most you’re probably trying to convince to change from No to Yes voters – doubtless share a broadly Atlanticist outlook on geo-politics. They are staunchly pro-NATO, pro Western, multilateralist and regard Putin’s Russia and Xi Jinping’s China as regressive, authoritarian police states. ”

      Aye , is that right , and you know this how ? You au courant with the views of the ” vast majority ” from your nice wee middle class area of Embra ?

      As far as I can make out the * vast majority * don’t give a fuck about the subjects you refer to , and are more interested in really important things like fitbaw , shaggin n bevvyin and how to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table : concerns soon to be greatly added to by rising energy costs .

      You seem to know an awful lot about people . Their political views , cultural preferences , voting intentions , their general likes and dislikes : I imagine you have a pretty good idea whether they prefer brown or red sauce on their chips .

      How did you come by this omniscience . Did you read a book once ?

    425. Ruby says:

      Hatuey says:
      15 February, 2022 at 12:27 pm
      “I’d stick to simpering double and triple entendres in hope of getting yer rocks off Rubes”

      I found some of the comments referred to deeply disturbing.

      Thank you for reading my posts. I’m delighted with the amount of attention I’m getting from you and your bromance partner. I’m a bit annoyed that he’s paying so much attention to James Che and not giving me his full attention.
      What a cunt!

      I understand exactly what you found disturbing about my post.
      It must be hard when you paid megabucks for a mail order bride and found she was not what you were promised.

    426. Confused says:

      aye james, I know about poulsen – the chutzpah of it is that he is a DANE and Denmark has strict property ownership laws about “foreigners”, mainly there to prevent rich germans coming up and buying all the nice beachfront property. Pesky nuisance neigbours from the south, eh? Read the Daily Mail of late? – it is almost become “the highland property gazette”.

      Chippy, racist bastards the Danes, something about “1864” and all that.

      For being socially democratic Borgen-loving arseholes, the Danes can be a bit nationalist at times; I think they even brought in a law to spread the refugees, sorry “New Danes” around a bit to prevent ghettoes forming.

      As for Poulsen, I think he is one of these “environmental green custodian of the land” land owners who wants to bring back the lynx, wolf, brown bear, smilodon etc and anything else which will keep the hillwalkers out. I wonder what “Get Orff Moi Land” is in Danespeak.

    427. Andy Ellis says:

      @Robert Hughes 5.09pm

      “Did you read a book once ?”

      Yeah, quite a few: you should try it sometime.

      Maybe a grown up can help you with the big multi-syllable words? Folk are usually helpful when they see someone’s lips move when they’re struggling to read.

      I don’t think you should assume everyone has standards and horizons as low as yours though. If you don’t watch out you’ll be reduced to haunting BTL comments for tricks and trying to get yer rocks off like some others in here.

    428. Andy Ellis says:

      @Confused 5.34 pm

      Get off my land = “Gå væk fra mit land!”

      Estimable folks the Danes: their defeat by the Prussians in 1864 was a bit of a turning point for them. I was working in Denmark in 2015 at the time of the UK General Election and the SNP “tartan-wash” of seats. None of my Danish colleagues could believe Scots had voted no in 2014, then elected SNP MPs for 56 of 59 seats in 2015.

      Danes also love a bit of flag: loads of them have plagpoles with the Dannebrog – their national flag which they claim is the oldest in the world – on their lawns.

      In general we could do a lot worse than be more like the Danes…in all sorts of areas!

    429. twathater says:

      @ Robert Hughes 5.09pm Robert doncha know that Andy pandy knows all there is about everything and can tell you what everyone is thinking and how they will vote and suchlike yet he NEVER produces evidence for all the proclamations he makes and DEMANDS proof from anyone disagreeing with his declarations

      Andy’s biggest problem is that no one recognises who he actually is so he is grudgingly forced to frequent this site even although he has a blog with no traffic , and attempt to educate the (pork) that resides here , but we are a very ungrateful shower and refuse to recognise his greatness but we can be awed by his prolific denigration of posters who dare espouse contrary beliefs or opinions

      I still firmly believe Andy pandy is a unionist as his attempts to deter people from visiting this site have considerably ramped up , and all his currying favour and sycophancy to SC is a diversion of his intent

      Andy pandy usually talks about going for a pint with someone who agrees with his verbosity , could you imagine being stuck with this self opinionated blowhard it would be worse than listening to Ian Blackford spouting pish

      Andy they are calling for you back in Surrey the local conservative club misses your bombast

    430. Ellis/Haughty says,

      `we could do a lot worse than be more like the Danes`

      To vote in parliamentary elections and referenda in Denmark, you must be a Danish citizen and be permanently resident in Denmark.

      To become a citizen of Denmark,

      You must have permanent residency;

      You must have been residing lawfully in Denmark for the last nine years (eight for refugees and stateless persons);

      You must sign a declaration of loyalty to Denmark;

      You must document Danish language skills at the level of passing the DU3 exam;.

      Ellis/Haughty wants to be more like the nativist of Denmark.

      or is it just us Scots that are nativists?

      @Scot Finlayson,

      blah blah blah …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. blah blah blah.

    431. Chas says:

      I had a scroll through some of the recent posts. Not too much about the boring 300 year old Treaty-weel done James. Keep it up..
      Can anyone recall the recent fanfare about the ‘newspaper’ the SNP were producing regarding the 143rd Independence drive. I understood that the comic was soon to be arriving through our letterboxes. What happened to it? I was so looking forward to a laugh in these difficult times.
      It appears that all is not well in the ‘relationships’ between some of the posters on here, as seen by the various ‘tooing and froing’ between contributors.
      I never understood why you would even try and debate points with an individual who holds polar opposite views to you own. However, it is a free country….ish, so feel free to continue. Some of them are actually quite funny.

    432. Andy Ellis says:

      @twatnyname 6.24 pm

      Aw mate…you’re so far off the mark it’s visible from orbit. Of course unlike you I’m not a snivelling anonymous coward hiding behind online anonymity. So of course, we don’t know about you, but I’ve made no secret of being a Founder Member of Alba. It’s hard that difficult to verify.

      You on the other hand could be anyone. Seems obvious you’re desperate to look and feel important…how’s that working for you? Coming up empty I’d say.

      As for the mad conspiracy theorising that seems to be the forte of you and yer clueless mates, I’ve been arguing exactly the opposite of trying to deter people from coming here. The same can’t be said of folk flooding the site with bullshit like James Che or using it turn tricks and abuse folk like Ruby. You’re just all over the place with this weird analysis that I’m a disguised unionist whose cover is currying favour with Rev Stu.

      Honestly, but…step away from the glue and the plastic bag, you’re just embarrassing yourself at this point.

    433. Republicofscotland says:

      “I’ve never claimed to represent Alba though, have I? I’m just a member like some others who post in here.”

      A change in attitude it seems from the above sentence you posted.

      ” but I’ve made no secret of being a Founder Member of Alba.”

    434. Andy Ellis says:

      @Scot Finlayson 6.33 pm

      You’re obviously too dense to appreciate the difference Scot, but Denmark is ALREADY an independent country. As such, it gets to set the criteria for all the things you’re mentioning. Scotland on the other hand is NOT an independent country. You get that this is a different thing, right?

      It’s honestly like explaining the difference between “small and far away” to Father Dougal. There is currently no such thing as a Scottish citizen, nor will there be until after indy. No other country which has had a referendum for self determination has used citizenship criteria like those you detail: it simply doesn’t happen that way.

      Deciding the criteria for voting in an independence referendum is NOT the same as citizenship criteria and voting in an already independent state.

      When we are independent, we can do just what the Danes do.

    435. Republicofscotland says:

      James Che, forget the windbags in here, it would appear others are talking about the Treaty and Act of Union as well.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F19926730.can-michael-russell-explain-treaty-union-seldom-mentioned%2F

    436. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 6.56 pm

      Away and gie yersel a shake. Being a Founder Member doesn’t mean I’m an official party spokesman or that I’ve claimed to or would be entitled to act as representing “the party”.

      You’re just coming across as bit desperate and obsessed mate: no huge surprise for most of the moon howling fraternity soiling the BTL comments in here right enough.

    437. Andy Ellis says:

      @RoS 7.03 pm

      “….it would appear others are talking about the Treaty and Act of Union as well.”

      All the LOLZ. One reader letter in the SNP’s house comic, with zero comments.

      But yeah….folk are really talking about it.

      Meanwhile, back in the real world, any change of Treaty James or any of his enablers and fluffers answering the questions asked of him earlier about back up from any other sources….?

      No….?

      Imagine our surprise! Truly there are not enough LOLZ in the world.

    438. Stuart MacKay says:

      Here you go boys and girls. Robin McAlpine’s assessment that the SNP is fucking us all over big time, http://robinmcalpine.org/why-is-the-scottish-government-surging-to-the-right/

      Just wait for the exodus of Labourites to hollow out the party and there will be nothing left to declare independence with.

      Job done. Nicola will get her promotion to the UN.

    439. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:

      or using it turn tricks and abuse folk like Ruby.

      I seem to get a mention in every post Ellis makes.

      No idea what he means by ‘using it turn tricks and abuse folk like Ruby’

      The man is no right in the heed!

    440. Andy Ellis says:

      @Stuart 7.18 pm

      Interesting stuff. Robin is guest speaker at our Alba branch zoom meeting tomorrow. Sadly I’ll be en route to the Emerald Isle so will probably miss it!

    441. Stuart MacKay says:

      Andy

      Get it recorded if you can. Alba recorded the social media seminar they held a couple of weeks ago so it’s something the party does in general. Would be good to see it.

    442. Ruby says:

      WARNING
      THOSE OF A SENSITIVE DISPOSITION MIGHT WANT TO AVOID THIS POST

      https://archive.is/5ooYu#selection-1033.0-1033.301

      According to the LGBTA Wiki the guide linked out to, “someone who is catgender may use nya/nyan pronouns”. Nya/nyan means “meow” in Japanese. Catgender is also described as someone who “strongly identifies” with cats or other felines or “experiences delusions relating to being a cat or other feline”.

      John Main didn’t get back to me regarding his gender. Could be he was scared off by the weirdo who suggested we exchange phone numbers.

      Incase you missed the ‘joke’ I made about a cat suit I was alluding to the above.

      A university proposing that people who identify as cats should use the Japanese word for “meow” as their pronouns is a pretty serious matter as is all the other pronoun nonsense.

      I don’t believe these issue should be kept to private telephone conversations I think they should be discussed publicly.

      I tried to bring this issue to the fore in a jokey manner and I appreciate that John Main may have been doing the same.

    443. Andy Ellis says:

      @Stuart 7.52 pm

      I’ll ask the question: not sure if they record them or not, or if they’d make them available. Access to the Zoom call is via Meeting ID and passcode.

    444. Ruby says:

      Stuart MacKay says:
      15 February, 2022 at 7:18 pm
      Here you go boys and girls. Robin McAlpine’s assessment that the SNP is fucking us all over big time

      That is just depressing especially when we are powerless to do anything about it.

    445. Robert Hughes says:

      Andy Ellis

      Enjoy yr trip to the auld sod . Remember , the tradition is that you kiss the Blarney Stone , don’t be waiting for it to kiss you .

      You referred earlier to Ireland as a country that knows about Independence .

      They didn’t get it by fucking about with * fair * franchises and fanciful notions like * Civic Nationalism *

    446. Andy Ellis says:

      @Robert 8.54 pm

      Indeed. I’m looking forward to my first trip to Dublin. Given the way things are going here I’ve advised my daughter to think about staying and applying for citizenship. If I was younger I’d probably do it myself: 5 years residence then citizenship. Probably a lot more likely than waiting on Scots to grow a pair and vote for indy!

      I do think they have a thing or two to teach us. But there again they didn’t really have the option of just putting a cross in a box either did they?

      Personally I’d rather independence came about that way than following an uprising, a Civil War and partition.

    447. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Andy Ellis 9:13pm
      Agreed we have already done the Irish route. I am entitled to Irish Citizenship. We stay here in the vain attempt that things will get better. My A and E son has a best friend that has just left for Australia. My son is thinking about it. A society that revels in divisiness. A female organised society that wonders why men are leaving. My nephews called it right My nieces didn’t.

    448. Effigy says:

      So sorry Randy Andy had to hand over millions to get away with sexual abuse of a minor.

      Why didn’t he hire Boris’ script writers?

      He thought it was a work place gathering?
      He was ambushed by naked teenagers.
      He was on in there for 5 minutes.
      He thought his eyesight was failing so he asked if he could identify naked or not.
      By gyrating furiously on top of the girl he was proving he couldn’t sweat.

      What a team Boris and Andy England finest lording over Scotland

    449. James Che. says:

      Ahhh Ruby.

      Don’t feel left out.
      He get back to you am sure.
      You just have to patient until he’s had a go at everyone, he always comes back round,
      I am sure he hasn’t forgot anyone of us, and I love him for it.

    450. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Effigy 10:24pm
      Exactly the comment I was expecting. A complete diversionary tactic. Men are leaving Scotland not your average druggie that I stepped over in SNP Dundee but real successful people. I sorry we are losing young men to A and E. Don’t ever complain about A and E waiting lists in the future. You caused it with your SNP narrative. Enjoy

    451. James Che. says:

      Chas.
      I may pay us to be a little more like the Danes,
      When it come to land and voting regulations 😉

    452. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      Wow, you really know how to cheer me up, thanks and much appreciated.

      I think more ears and eyes in Scotland are beginning to study and question this old treaty,

      We either are in it in 2022, and follow all its article as being legal.
      Or everybody ignores it and we can wave bye bye.

      Imagine the wealth of tax and revenue in a real Scottish treasury for land tax,

      And if these big land owners did not want to pay tax, if all these people left?

      Scotland ownership of the land would be more evenly distributed in Scotland.

      This again is why we have to talk about the do’s an don’ts that are legalities in the Treaty of the Union.

      But land tax was supposed to be in use since the 1707 treaty of the union.
      Not council tax.
      The old poll tax.
      Bedroom tax
      Inheritance tax,
      Etc.

      And of course any alterations on the articles to specific taxes for/on Scotland null and make void the treaty.
      No wonder the Scots are not supposed to talk about it in Scotland
      .

    453. James Che. says:

      Effigy.

      Thumbs up for second making me smile.

    454. Tannadice Boy says:

      @James Che 11:13pm
      Taxes? Given your previous comments have you ever paid any? I have been a higher tax payer most of my life. But you completely ignored my previous comments of young men leaving Scotland. It will be too late when you wake up. They are leaving in their droves. I am pretty sure when they hand their passports over they will not thinking about 17 o oatcake.

    455. Ruby says:

      I wonder if more successful young people will leave Scotland permanently than they would have if they had the opportunity to live & work in the EU.

      I think going to live & work abroad is a brilliant thing to do and what I lot of young people want to do and that was what was so brilliant about free movement within the EU.

      However going to live & work in Australia seems more of a permanent move. If they are going to be replaced by immigrants these immigrants will be coming here permanently they wont be like the folk from the EU who just come here for couple of years to experience a different lifestyle.

      I reckon Brexit has cut off opportunities for young people and made them discontent made them want to immigrate rather than just travel for a couple of years within the EU.

    456. Ruby says:

      Ooops emigrate not immigrate.

    457. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Ruby 11:29pm
      Brexit has nothing to do with the current situation. Brexit is a trope. They are leaving Scotland for other reasons. Obviously you don’t understand what they are.

    458. James Che. says:

      Scot Finlayson

      Your obviously to dense to appreciate the difference, Denmark is different, it is already independent.

      But I bet you are smart enough to realise that Scotland is different from Catalan, because Scotland already has a international treaty with England and Wales,

      But Catalan does not have a treaty with Spain.
      It’s honestly like explaining small and far away to, father Andy Dougall,.

    459. Ruby says:

      Tannadice Boy says:
      15 February, 2022 at 11:28 pm
      @James Che 11:13pm
      Taxes? Given your previous comments have you ever paid any? I have been a higher tax payer most of my life. But you completely ignored my previous comments of young men leaving Scotland. It will be too late when you wake up.

      The really sad thing is that even if we were all wide wake and aware if what is happening in Scotland which I think a lot of us are there doesn’t seem to be anything we are able or willing to do.

    460. James Che. says:

      Tannadice boy,

      Why the comment,
      I spoke, back and to with you months ago,
      And we both agreed on that subject.
      And you may remember, my son left Scotland years ago, got married and had a family abroad,
      He has not returned to Scotland due to lack of employment opportunities,
      He has gone from a labour position in Scotland to being boss where he is and started his own business.

      When you read how landownership is monopolised here, and the housing shortages, while people are chased of the land in present day Scotland,
      I could see him returning if there were wider opportunities all round.

    461. Ruby says:

      Tannadice Boy says:
      15 February, 2022 at 11:38 pm
      @Ruby 11:29pm
      Brexit has nothing to do with the current situation. Brexit is a trope. They are leaving Scotland for other reasons. Obviously you don’t understand what they are.

      Well why don’t you tell me why they are leaving and what you would like people to do about it.

      Brexit will have an effect on who will replace these Scottish doctors who are leaving for Australia and whether or not they will be able to replace these doctors.

      But hey if everyone is leaving there wont be a need for so many doctors.

    462. James Che. says:

      Tannadice boy,

      It Maybe help with a memory jog.

      We commented back and to about the time you were talking about moving to a different place.

    463. Confused says:

      Jeez Ellis, you have been busy of late – careering around the BTL like a drunk uncle hogging the dancefloor at a wedding reception …

      Someone once told me denmark was a boring flatland, a pig farm next to a brewery and all the scandis laughed at their accents; I think the guy was a norwegian.

      – what he thought of Scotland he wouldn’t say, just a look of horror in his eyes : “that could have been us”

      “1864” on BBC4 was quite a good show; the collective insanity of the danish elite, that they were the master race and owed the prussians a kicking. Depressing ending, the good guys get a beating and the rich skip off, back to business as usual.

      – “an elite detached from the people, suffering groupthink” does not seem like something that would happen these days. Can’t think of an example.

    464. Confused says:

      Kenny Farquharharrison-man is in the times talking about tartan terrorism. What a fucking tit.

      – everyone knows its far too cold to plant landmines in this weather, the heat you need to melt the tarmac can be seen from space.

      God knows, i’ve tried.

      And who wants to waste a mobile given the costs of a half decent data plan these days?

      https://archive.is/cmr0i

    465. Confused says:

      – oh missed a bit … last sentence is a beaut

      “Both Scottish nationalism and Scottish unionism have within them the seeds of fury.”

      aspiring screenwriter alert.

    466. James Che. says:

      Anders povlson certainly acts the big landlord with ideas how his future Scotland should be,
      Land of lynx, bears wolves, and nice predators.
      In which a rather a strange scenario appears,
      To plant and protect his trees he employed someone to shoot all the deer the predators would eat when they were introduced,
      All the rabbits have died of a recent new introduced disease,
      The hares have been shoot by the big estate shooting syndicates.
      And the salmon have pretty much fished into extinction by fishing syndicates.
      The farmers have been bought out and smaller crofters shoved out by big estate owners.
      Badgers have been severely culled,
      And foxes hunted and shot for years.

      Now it becomes obvious that these predators may turn to other animals for food that may be pets,
      I certainly would not leave tiny tots outside in gardens playing in this Scotland.

    467. Tannadice Boy says:

      @James Che 11:59pm
      And? I also spoke about the 2 reasons I wasn’t moving. Let me remind you. A 91 year old Dad survived acquired Delta Covid etc. I promised him I wouldn’t leave until he was dead. And the wife’s reason the same for her similar circumstances. And that remains the situation. But you are quite happy for real NHS talent to walk out the door. Young men moving to Australia and you are happy about that? With your posted family conditions?. Do me a favour mate and stick to nineteen o oatcake.

    468. James Che. says:

      Interesting side note,
      Beavers are prone. To Rabies.
      I watch some America sites,
      A good number of beavers have rabies at present.

      The other interesting climate change comments that cattle pass so much wind that is bad for the air,
      So they are reducing livestock here.
      But they will be introducing bison, and similar animals,
      American wild deer and moose at present have an illness that seems to parallel CJD. People are warned not to eat the meat.
      Ehh? That is ideology for you.

      The only reason modern cattle have wind, is due to feeding with controversial food pellets.
      Rather than natural grass.

      If only the MSM gave us all the facts in Scotland.

    469. Ruby says:

      The situation here in Scotland seems unreal! My feeling is that something has got to give!

      I’m very surprised that everything is so quiet!

      It’s not surprising that foreign embassies are phoning up
      Kenny Farquarson asking what the Scottish electorate might do when they see what is going on in Scotland.

      What most countries would expect when leaders behaved like Boris Johnson & Nicola Sturgeon would be a violent reaction.

    470. James Che. says:

      Tannadice boy p.

      Not following your conversation,

      I don’t remember saying that scenario at all, just give me time to back check.
      But being as that is not my believe system you seem to be quoting. I wonder if something is mixed up somewhere.
      My son is on the other side of the world too.
      So are my grandchildren,
      And no, I cannot afford to go see them, and covid restrictions have prevented them from visiting us.

      And it was not I whom mentioned the NHS today,

      And I understand that you were prevented from moving, but if you have read my posts over the last
      six months
      we have been to 3 family funerals, the last one the end January,
      and my mother is in the last stages of stomach cancer just now,
      So why do you think I would be jumping for joy over nurses or doctors leaving to go aboard?

      Just the opposite.
      That is why I. Think there is some confusing between our comments

    471. Tannadice Boy says:

      @James Che 12:58pm
      I don’t need to check my posts. I know what my family situation is. I don’t need your permission for my understanding of what my family situation is. Meanwhile young men are leaving the NHS to do their stuff abroad. And none of you understand why?.

    472. James Che. says:

      Tannadice boy,

      The other sympathy I have with you is being tied to where you are out of love affection for you’re family.
      We moved here to look after family that were on their own or were not well.
      Since my sister in law passed away last month we now have an extra dog which we never intended to have,
      But it was her last request for us to take care of her dog while in hospital.
      We all have to give love and are all tied to those we love,
      So I will love her little dog as much as my own.
      I myself have been in an out of hospital recently. And still on going.
      Life is not easy.
      Therefore I believe we have crossed wires somewhere.

    473. Hatuey says:

      I’m starting to think party-gate and the Ukraine crisis were staged in order to distract world attention from the startling revelations made by James Che on here recently… everything’s connected.

      Robin McAlpine’s latest is grim enough but most “inexplicable” lurches to the right (in Africa, Eastern Europe, South America, and elsewhere) are driven by personal financial gain (corruption) rather than the free market ideology McAlpine describes.

      There are countless examples and it should be the first place anybody looks when multi-million pound contracts are up for grabs and politicians are acting in ways that are hard to explain, especially in a country like Britain where untraceable money laundering and kickbacks are basically institutionalised (The City, etc.)

      On a certain level it’s quite impossible to distinguish between someone acting ideologically and someone taking care of number one — self interest is at the heart of both, and that’s fine — but it all gets a bit awkward when it comes to public finances.

      We can only guess, but it’s safe to assume that many of the billions of pounds that find their way into offshore accounts every year start their journey as taxes paid by ordinary people into public purses.

      It’s just an impression, but it seems like these are the most openly corrupt times in all history as far as politicians, big business, and fiddling go; the missing billions associated with PPE procurement being just one obvious (known) example.

    474. James Che. says:

      Ahh the bride speaks.

    475. James Che. says:

      Tannadice boy,

      I never asked you to back check..

      Empathy does not need permission,

    476. James Che. says:

      Hatuey,

      Well said,

    477. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Hatuey 1:17pm
      The best joke of the night, its all connected. Conspiracy without seeing the reality in front of their eyes. I am thinking 45 years ago plus or minus a year or two. Prone position in Berlin live ammunition unlike a drill. Hogmanay deployment lying in a field. Thinking i was about to die. Imminent Russian invasion Intel said so. Still waiting on the Russian invasion.

    478. James Che. says:

      Confused.

      I am not sure he even held that conversation with a “ friendly” diplomat.

      Basically he is drafting his own idea out into the open.
      Hoping to plant a seed somewhere.

      Then all hell would break lose on the Scottish people,

      We are always reminded to act in a peaceful manner as the canadian citizens are trying to do, while avoiding instigators and agitators.

    479. Hatuey says:

      Lol tannadice…

      You know what though, I have been pretty dismissive of this latest Russian threat stuff. I’ve seen it a thousand times. But then today the Russians said they were backing down and pulling out and that’s when for the first time I thought they were probably going to attack Ukraine.

      I spent years studying the Cold War. The whole thing was really a marketing campaign, when you get right into it. For example, Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) started life as Mutually Assured Retaliation but was changed by marketing guys because MAD sounded better…

      On a much more profound level, the East v West framing was useful in disguising the fact that most of the wars and interventions were really quite typical examples of North V South bullying — in other words, a continuation of the sort of colonial relations we put in place over hundreds of years.

      Those Ruskies look like real hard assess, tho.

    480. Stuart MacKay says:

      Hatuey

      Last night Sky News had cockpit footage from Russian pilots training with Belarussian ones in what looked like a Sukhoi Su-24. Then we got footage of a battle group of something like T-90 tanks. It was then I realised that this is all a media circus and we were just being shown a real-life trailer for Call of Duty. The journos must be wetting their pants that the thought of what another “Cristine Amanpour from CNN in Baghdad” moment will do for ratings.

      Well I know who we should be tying to the front of the tanks going into battle. Curse them for stoking this up.

    481. Effigy says:

      Breaking News-

      Thousands gathering outside Buckingham Palace on news
      Priceless Andrew is giving £Millions away to people he has never met.

      Best fake news today comes from Westminster saying inflation is only at 5.5%.

      Basic foods up 40%
      Average foods up 8%
      Home Energy going up 54%
      Back to Back Mortgage rate increases.
      Petrol/Diesel up at record prices
      Fares up 4.5%
      Council Tax Up 4%
      No more free lateral flow tests
      National Insurance up 10%.

      How is our U.K. leader expected to afford £200,000 wallpaper with all this?

    482. Hatuey says:

      “I realised that this is all a media circus and we were just being shown a real-life trailer for Call of Duty…”

      Yeah, Call of Duty: Trident Upgrade.

      “That’ll be £200 billion, please… would you like a bag?”

      There isn’t really a reasonable argument for saying Ukraine must not join NATO. As a sovereign state, it should be allowed to do what it wants within the law etc.

      The problem is the hypocrisy of the US position. We are all familiar with the Cuban missile crisis but nobody is familiar with a reasonable argument for America’s stance back then. There wasn’t one — there was simply an insistence.

      The American economy doesn’t work without massive military spending; they learned that in the 1930s and ‘40s. If anything, it’s more dependent on military spending today than at any time in history.

      So, yes, the Ruskies are coming. Right behind them’s the Chinese. Then there’s Iran, meteorites, aliens, terrorists, and, last but not least, the unknown.

      All they really have to fear, of course, is fear itself. And for America that’s okay. Well, it’s at least better than the only alternative (European-style economics with universal health care, welfare, and public spending), assuming we are ruling out recession and decline.

    483. Dorothy Devine says:

      Effigy , and in other news the bankers are getting fantastic bonuses – apparently the vintage champagne is flowing as they all get together to celebrate their ‘number’

      Nice to know that we are ‘all in it together” isn’t it?

    484. Republicofscotland says:

      Gisela Stuart a former Labour MP, who now sits in the unelected undemocratic House of Lords, and she was also the chair of the vote leave campaign (Brexit) has become the new Commissioner of the Civil Service, talk about the lack of impartiality.

      Her new role will be to scrutinse the appointments of personnel and oversee the department.

      In effect she’s another Sir Nicholas MacPherson, who was anything but impartial on a Scottish indyref, during 2014, now MacPherson works for Sturgeons SNP as does Murray Foote, and Bernie Higgins.

    485. Republicofscotland says:

      The SNP face a backlash to their disastrous freeports, and rightly so.

      “The SNP Trade Union group, which has more than 14,000 members, will tell the party’s National Executive Committee of concerns that the freeports plan is not compatible with what party members have agreed.”

      “They further warned that the plan risked opening a “dangerous unregulated backdoor” which may weaken workers’ rights both within and outwith the freeports.”

      “Their concerns have been echoed by the SNP Trade Union group, who have warned that the freeports plan may “undermine devolution”.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19926179.snp-trade-union-group-demands-answers-plan-green-freeports%2F

    486. Republicofscotland says:

      Happy Russian invasion day to you all, not, the Western media went into a moon howling frenzy and named today as the day that Russia would invade Ukraine, talk about pushing a false flag op.

      Meanwhile the Whitehall f*ckwits have been busy.

      “Ukraine’s National Guard says that in meeting last year the UK military agreed to start training its forces, which include a thousand-strong neo-Nazi unit.”

      https://declassifieduk.org/uk-commanders-in-ukraine-met-neo-nazi-linked-national-guard-to-deepen-military-cooperation/

    487. Hatuey says:

      “the Western media went into a moon howling frenzy and named today as the day that Russia would invade Ukraine, talk about pushing a false flag op…”

      Ehhhhh… I definitely admire your indefatigability on these issues, RoS, but today isn’t yet over.

      Candle sales are up this week in Ukraine — that’s all I know.

      Rich people buy gold when things get scary, poor people buy candles.

      I should buy some myself. This storm that’s coming looks quite terrifying.

    488. robbo says:

      The way some people talk in here you’d think there was 10 ships the size of titanic and big planes the size of humongous jumbo’s leaving Scotland every week. What a load of tosh.

      People go for an adventure and work. It’s been happening for hundreds of years, probably thousands. Different from when we were forced to go.

      The rate is around 6.5% per thousand of the population. Hardly dramatic is it?

      https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrscotland.gov.uk%2Ffiles%2F%2Fstatistics%2Fmigration%2Fflows%2Fjun-21%2Fmig-to-from-scotland-tab1.xlsx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

      What you gonnae dae tell people the can’t go and they can’t come in. Fuck sake great world that would be and looking and some of the Misérable gits that frequent here and spout piush maybe I would go and give it another go abroad- pity I can’t turn back time..

      May Ellis could make up that .5 % and do wan! Lmao

      If we ever do get Indy the Scottish Government should be preparing for the influx to grow our infrastructures and economy instead of spending their time with stupid policy ideas that no one wants and trying to get more boutiques opened for chicks wae dicks in dresses.

    489. Republicofscotland says:

      “Ehhhhh… I definitely admire your indefatigability on these issues, RoS, but today isn’t yet over.”

      Hatuey.

      I see you’ve read your daily Sun newspaper, however from the Sun, and many other armpit sniffing Western so called news rags said the same BS.

      “The 3am time (1am GMT) when US intelligence sources suspected a Russian attack came and went without incident last night as Putin continued to keep The West guessing.”

      No doubt the Whitehall wankers and their minion bots online will still be spouting this shite tomorrow and the next day and….you get the picture.

    490. Hatuey says:

      Confused: “Jeez Ellis, you have been busy of late – careering around the BTL like a drunk uncle hogging the dancefloor at a wedding reception …”

      Lolz. Beautiful imagery.

      I’d be happy to be described in those terms.

    491. Hatuey says:

      RoS, I literally haven’t read any newspaper in about 6 years and have no idea what you’re talking about with regards to The Sun.

      You don’t get this nuts/enlightened by reading newspapers, I can assure you of that…

    492. Republicofscotland says:

      Hatuey.

      I should’ve provide a link apologies, this garbage is expected from a Murdoch shitrag, whose editor Victoria Newton formally ran the Sun newspapers bizarre showbiz column, says it all really.

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17655287/russia-set-invade-ukraine/

    493. Ron Maclean says:

      ‘ – careering around the BTL like a drunk uncle hogging the dancefloor at a wedding reception …’

      Needs adjusted to – … like an abusive, offensive drunk uncle …

      Only the colonial elite would be happy to be described in those terms.

    494. Republicofscotland says:

      Ex-SNP Health secretary Jean Freeman joining the unionist shibboleth, better known as the University of Glasgow. She’ll be right at home and be able to visit her old Labour buddies in the John Smith building, where plans are hatched to thwart independence.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19927696.jeane-freeman-lands-top-job-university-glasgow%2F

    495. Ruby says:

      If a person hasn’t read any newspapers for six years how would they know how nuts/enlightened you could be?

      Where would they get their info? From TV?

    496. Republicofscotland says:

      So the old state sponger queen lizzie, will help her son prince andrew pay the £12 million plus, out of court compensation/settlement to Virginia Giuffre.

      Lets hope the taxpayer doesn’t end up footing the bill for these parasites. Republic are mean’t to be running a petition to make sure we don’t foot the bill.

      https://www.republic.org.uk/

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19927453.queen-help-prince-andrew-pay-12m-virginia-giuffre-settlement%2F

    497. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:

      I’ve just been reading about the Prince Andrew settlement.

      The amount being paid is not known. I did find the following interesting:

      https://archive.is/KyePS

      “And the third is, of course, that she’s leveraged his profile and there’s a large sum going to her personal charity to fight for the victims of sex trafficking and sexual abuse.
      “Now that is a publicly traded charity — as I suspect it will have to be to get the benefits of the tax advantages — so we will see how much is paid in that account. That, I think, will give the public a clue.

      Where would people who don’t read newspapers get this info?
      Perhaps it has been broadcast on TV but then if you wanted to retrieve the info in future it would be extremely difficult/impossible to find the tv recording if there even was a recording.

      People who don’t read newspapers are nuts/unenlightened.



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