The Paper Teapot
As Twitter followers will have noticed, we’ve been busy this week with an extensive remodelling of Wings HQ, which involved the main computer being out of commission for several days while the office was basically torn down and rebuilt from scratch. (It seemed a good time to do it, given that there’s nothing remotely of interest happening in Scottish politics.)
Unfortunately the lack of activity on the site caused the comments on the last post to degenerate into the most wretched playground shrieking match, so let’s see if we can’t distract the children and talk about something else for a bit.
Particularly alert observers will have noted that Kezia Dugdale, the most spectacularly inept and unsuccessful Scottish political leader in history, this week demitted her role as Director of the John Smith Centre, which she was handed as an incentive to quit Scottish Labour after dragging it to 14% in the opinion polls.
And we wondered how anyone would be able to tell.
Because we’ve never been able to work out what the “job” actually involved. The John Smith Centre’s stated goal is “making the positive case for politics and public service”, and on taking up the position five year’s ago Dugdale’s declared aim was to “rebuild faith and trust in politics”.
We’re not unbiased, but we don’t think it’s too contentious to say that five years later trust and faith in politics, particularly in Scotland, is at an all-time low. The SNP have shed 50,000 members, are essentially bankrupt, and are embroiled in countless police investigations, personal scandals and policy catastrophes that have seen their support plummet 20 points, yet Labour are still struggling to scrape up the tiniest of leads in polling, so dismally uninspiring is the alternative they offer.
(Although they have at least risen 150% from where they were when Dugdale quit.)
Dugdale’s mission, then, has been as big a flop as everything else she’s ever turned her hand to – with the exception of filling her own pockets by debasing her position, sometimes at the expense of her dead best friend’s charity.
But what did she actually try? For the last five years we’ve barely noticed the JSC doing anything at all in pursuit of its supposed goals. The last event mentioned on its website was six months ago, when it hosted a talk in August 2023 about “disagreeing agreeably”.
Readers might detect a certain amount of irony in that, since Dugdale is most famous for being found to have disagreed by grossly defaming a member of the public and journalist who’d held her to account [waves] by using a disgusting and false slur accusing them baselessly of bigotry, but escaping punishment on the grounds of extreme stupidity.
Perhaps understandably, Dugdale didn’t take part in the event. But we’re still none the wiser as to what she DID do for 35 hours a week for five years, while also holding down an equally mysterious and doubtless lucrative position as *cough* Professor of Practice (whatever that might mean) at Glasgow University and writing regular columns for the Times and her old pal Davie Clegg at the Courier.
Her bio on the site is no help, saying she “leads and oversees the Centre, and is responsible for all aspects of strategic development”, and “plans and drives the work of the Centre, encompassing all its activities and programmes”. But while those are all words, they convey no information.
So we’re putting out a call. Have YOU seen Kezia Dugdale in the last five years, readers? Did you watch her speak at an event? Did she come to your school and explain how to forge a career in politics with no discernible talents or abilities? Did she host an online seminar that led to you becoming CEO of a Fortune 500 investment bank? We want to know, because if it doesn’t sound too challenging we might apply for the job. We’re pretty bored.
And Jesus, if Kezia Dugdale can do it, how hard can it possibly be?
please apply; I have the reference already prepared.
I wouldn’t bother, the John Smith centre looks like a retirement home for failed yoons. So, you have no chance.
I imagine Blackford has already applied, or is Glasgow too near to his wife in the humble croft ?
She’s been making the positive case for politics & public service by keeping quiet.
Don’t know who is more immature and incompetent; her, or her partner..
Heads or tails?
Politico full time troughers the pair of them.
I would like to know who funds the JSC and WTAF they do, all I can interpret is the Smith family troughing legacy where nothing is done or appears to be done to benefit Scotland it is all about ensuring the smith family are kept in comfort
The whole lot of them are disgusting unionists who care NOTHING for Scots or Scotland
Don’t worry folks, I’m sure Dan will be along any minute now to explain to all us dummies exactly how a heat pump works…
Something I’m sure you are all desperate to know.
Dugdale is a chancer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_source_heat_pump
I felt the arch hypocrisy of Dugdale being so angry about Brexit she voted SNP was maybe worth a mention.
Breeks, she probably voted SNP over Brexit as a sop to her vapid bird so they could get over some domestic row and go on making stupid manhating sexual apartheid plans like female-only train carriages. It all deserves nothing but mockery.
Much like the upcoming Hate Crime Bill, laughed at in the link below through the admittedly left-field medium of comedic hardcore porn rap and (cough) ‘poetry.’ Ivor Cutler would have been proud. Or maybe not. 🙂
https://scottishculturalcringe.bandcamp.com/album/taking-notes-from-toilet-walls-explicit?search_item_id=666561863&search_item_type=a&search_match_part=%3F&search_page_id=3177538090&search_page_no=0&search_rank=2&logged_in_mobile_menubar=true
Is a position at the Institute not just a financial cushion kindly provided to offer a subsidised transition for troughers (of the correct political views of course) from one publicly funded post to their next as chairperson or member of a quango or similar.
Brian Doonthetoon @ 05.20
Off Topic, just nice to see you posting again BDtT, hope all goes well.
I liked the AHP link, too.
“Disagreeing agreeably” – that’s Peter McColl on the right, Maggie Chapman’s squeeze.
Surely another of the huge positives of independence is that no-marks like Dugdale will lose access to such sinecures….or at least be easier to hold to account for their massive lack of any appreciable achievements?
British nationalist exceptionalism makes it too easy for mediocrity to rise to the top. Dugdale isn’t the only example of yoons who have risen without a trace of course, merely one of the least palatable.
As Scott observed: “When we had a king, and a chancellor, and parliament-men o’ our ain, we could aye peeble them wi’ stanes when they werena gude bairns. But naebody’s nails can reach the length o’ Lunnon”
@Rev Stu
I thought you had already applied to become somebody’s speech writer? How did that go BTW?
But dinna fash. Holding down multiple jobs is the way to go in Scottish political life.
As you’ve just pointed out, nobody is looking for tangible results.
I spotted that quine on Maryhill Road one morning with a suite on looking like she had just been papped oot a taxi for speaking mare shite than the taxi driver! I shouted ‘”Bam” at her. Fair cheered myself up.
[waves back] . Lol
“rebuild faith and trust in politics”
The way things stand that would be a very difficult job. Impossible even.
Well who’s daft? She got a cushy number and loadsa dosh – no wonder she is grinning inanely!
Karen, Maggie Chapman has a ‘squeeze’????
Unfortunately the lack of activity on the site caused the comments on the last post to degenerate into the most wretched playground shrieking match, so let’s see if we can’t distract the children and talk about something else for a bit.
Don’t you go blaming yourself for what you describe as ‘the most wretched playground shrieking match’ it had nothing absolutely to do with your lack of activity or anyone’s immaturity.
Have you given any thought to the idea of just allowing posters to let rip and get stuck in? What harm?
You can see from Harry’s post
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-paper-teapot/comment-page-1/#comment-2822843
He’s ready to get stuck into Dan.
The * mysterious * rise of vacuous cartoonish characters like Kez ( the Bez of Scot Pols , minus the maracas n eccied-up * vibes * + the gorm-free facial expressions ) can – at least partly – be understood in the context of the rise of the New LGBtralala Aristocracy .
Where actual ability , along with once deemed important aspects like real life experience , intelligence and character are of negligible relevance .
* Identity * is the key that opens the treasure chest .
Not just sexual orientation , of course : in Nu Scotland Politics people can be elevated & rewarded for having ( claiming to have ) a * disability * ; coming from a non-Caucasian ethnic group ; being ” no right in the heid ” ; having difficulty locating and identifying one’s own genitals ; having ” I Stand With Blah D Blah ” on your Social Media profile . Having exotically hued hair can also be a career-booster .
In the case of the likes of Pee Wishart , having no discernible admirable qualities whatsoever , but possessing the ineffable capacity to make ANYONE look better by comparison is a sure-fire winner .
Bad form from Harry at 3:25 am in the morning attempting to drag comments off topic so early in the thread with a lame personal jibe.
Interestingly it appears Harry has no thoughts or insight to add to the subject of the article itself, or about “making the positive case for politics and public service” and “rebuilding faith and trust in politics”, which is mentioned in this article.
I’ve proffered the proposal for years (and on the last thread) about standing decent, honest, local, non-party affiliated candidates to genuinely represent their wards or constituencies because it has been clear for some time that Party politics has become a skipfire.
That would do more to restore faith in and improve Scottish politics than anything Kezia or the John Smith Centre has produced, and I came up with that proposal free of charge without taking any remuneration or expenses for my effort.
Wow. Over 1300 comments on the last thread. Whilst I only read about a third of them, I wholeheartedly agree with Stu’s observation that they really were not up to the standard you would expect from knowledgeable adults. Unfortunately that seems to be the case in every thread.
I do not buy newspapers or watch TV news therefore only learned yesterday, from my golfing mates, that our gracious King is suffering from cancer. I expect our media were all over it, with compassion and concern. However, I suspect Wings readers were not so charitable. Personally I could not care less.
Ms Dugdale has shown her complete lack of ability for years and I am surprised that she has not joined the ranks of the SNP where her lack of any talent would fit in very well with the troughers, grifters and shysters. Maybe no one has asked her…………yet!
How long on this thread before our ‘heroes’ jump in with the 300 year old guff, Colonialism, Sovereignty etc and bore us all to death?
I generally avoid reading anything on here from our resident experts on world affairs. Do they really think that their scribblings are going to influence anybody, anywhere?
A few months ago I was talking with one of my sons on the state of Scotland, the UK and the world in general. I asked him if he ever read Wings over Scotland, He admitted that he had never heard of it and promised to investigate. I recently asked him if he had. ‘Yes’ he said. ‘I found that articles produced to be very informative and realistic but the comments section leave a lot to be desired as half of the posts are from nutters’. I admit that I took exception to this remark and politely advised that 50% was ridiculous. The true figure was 90%.
All is not well in Scotland but the golf was good yesterday so not all bad. Some people need to get out more.
so let’s see if we can’t distract the children and talk about something else for a bit.
Talking as one who I suspect you are describing as a child I can tell you you are going to need something a bit more interesting than a story about Kezia ‘fuckin’ Dugdale to distract me for more than 10 minutes.
I’m off to do some colouring in and have juice from my sippy cup.
Kezia Dugdale Meh!
Ding! Ding!
Here’s another one of these posts worthy of a quote from ‘Nobody Home’
I got a thousand posts of shit on this forum to choose from. says Chas
My response to Chas:
I’ve got electric light
And I’ve got second sight
I got amazing powers of observation
And that is how I know
When I try to get through
On the telephone to you
There’ll be nobody home
See Stu folk just want to get stuck in.
Go to Google
type in kezia dugdale podcast
Look at even just the first 3 returns
Attempt to sew your sides back up before you die laughing
I am surprised that someone is still with us on Wings.
Tick tock.
Politics is awash with these deluded individuals who think they’re talented enough to govern the rest of us, when in reality they were simply dumb enough to agree to having their name added to a list of candidates simply to enable the party faithful in a particular patch to “have the opportunity to vote for the party” come the next election and then by some cruel twist of fate they get elected!!!
Their evident stupidity continues to manifest itself throughout their political ‘career’ by taking on all the shit jobs that nobody else wants, including, ultimately, that of party leader.
So many Dugdales, so little time.
I assumed Kez’ job was to read the papers on Radio Scotland. That’s the only time I’ve heard anything from her since she set out to improve faith in politics in Scotland.
Although perhaps it’s up to politicians to start telling the truth and carrying out their promises. I’m sure that would improve peoples’ view of them.
I note the John Smith Institute receives much of its funding from the Scottish Govt, such is the solidarity of the political class.
@Chas
Apropos your comment relating to being surprised Dugdale hadn’t tried to pedal her limited abilities to the SNP, I’ve long been convinced that one of the reasons the SNP had imploded in such a spectacular fashion is that it was intellectually and organisationally captured by an influx of former Labour (or worse NuLabour) types.
Some of those would have been former members and supporters with an eye for the main chance, who jumped ship when they realised the days of weighing Labour votes in Scotland rather than counting them were over, when irrespective of ability or lack thereof any slavishly loyal red rosetted no mark could find a cosy, well paid and virtually permanent sinecure. Others, the younger ones never had any past in the Labour Party or movement, but exhibited most of the same traits, including a fondness for sophomoric wedge issue politics and policies with negligible popular support such as trans rights.
Independence aside, there is actually very little to separate Sturgeon from Dugdale.
It is earnestly to be hoped that both will end up in the dustbin of Scottish political history, if for different reasons. I’d like to think that Sturgeon’s future will not comprise of elevation to some cushy NGO or pretendy academic think tank or university position…..but given the inexplicable ability of Dugdale to rise without a trace of any appreciable achievements, I won’t be holding my breath.
@ Dan says: 8 February, 2024 at 9:15 am
I’ve proffered the proposal for years (and on the last thread) about standing decent, honest, local, non-party affiliated candidates to genuinely represent their wards or constituencies
Seconded.
I’m thinking you’ve already got the guts of your manifesto pledge too:
Decent, honest, local, non-party affiliated candidate
Passes the T-shirt test as well.
As I’ve pointed out before, it only needs 50 good and true Scots thinking like this to blow Scottish politics right open.
As I’ve also pointed out before, this kind of non-establishment entryism is exactly what is happening in countries all over Europe, so why not here?
And, as we all know, this is an election year, so if not now, when is there going to be a better time?
I thought I would edit your post just to make things clearer for everyone.
So many Dugdales, so little time.
I like that one Robert. 🙂
‘Golfing with Chas is a good walk, sp0iled.’
Mark Twain?
Play the ball, not the man or woman. Report comments by clicking the flag in the top right of a comment. Keep it civil.
A yellow card beside your name is a warning.
Why can’t Wings be a better site and do this?
Try it in your re-building the site?
Andy Ellis @ 8:01 am
“British nationalist exceptionalism makes it too easy for mediocrity to rise to the top.”
Indeed. In discussing the surprising shortcomings of the hierarchy placed in charge of a colony, it is unfortunately also the case that “the most mediocre colonialist often remain for their whole life”, according to Albert Memmi.
Memmi further noted that: “The promotion of mediocre personnel is not a temporary error but a lasting catastrophe from which the colony never recovers”.
Which gives us a more accurate explanatory perspective as to why we see so many ‘policy’ failings within a colonial society, and why our institutions are indeed ‘mediocre’.
Scotland’s universities are another aspect of this, and with Scots now making up barely one tenth of academic staff numbers in many departments, a colonial legacy seems evident. Hence these bricht mynds, maist o thaim fae ootside Scotland, like to think that colonialism is only to do with far off places in the Americas, Africa and Asia, despite the fact it has surrounded oor ain ivory towers since before the rest of the world was plundered, and aye surrounds them yet.
Dugdale is living legend!
A woman ahead of her time.
This woman you insult single handedly brought Wokism to Scotland.
You should all take a leaf from her toilet roll.
They should build a statue to this political powerhouse.
Your are all jealous, especially the Rev
THE JOB, an exciting one apparently, youth and all that, comes with this https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/staff/healthwellbeing/
As a young person, well versed in skepticism and cynicism owing to brushes with politics, politicians and their works I might apply.
Tho still in the process of academia I may be jumping too soon. However it is gratifying to know that if were to lose my mental marbles, or go trans, or whatever there would be a cozy home for me.
Floreat Glasgua!
Between October 2020 and May 2022 the John Smith Centre received £470,000 direct funding from the Scottish Government ostensibly for the Ethic Minority Emerging Leaders programme.
The criteria for the Director post are semiotically «pregnant».
https://my.corehr.com/pls/uogrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.display_form
and merit word-by-word textual exegesis.
A holy text?
English is a wonderful language for this sort of NuSpeak.
MICHAEL Matheson has resigned as Scotland’s health secretary.
The labour party is the left cheek of the British Establishment’s arse.
The JSC is there to provide a money sump, hiding in plain sight, in order to reward the good (and incredibly useless) little unionist soldiers.
Other think tanks (I use the term loosely) do the same, in addition to carrying out the double edged research to shaft the plebs.
University Professorships are now an additional means of rewarding failure in plain sight.
Some ‘charities’ likewise.
And last but not least is the Leading Politicians official ‘biography’ read by no-one but the poor suffering critics, but a great way of rewarding them with a bung as they exit central stage.
Its not mishap, or irony, its deliberately built in for this reason.
Breaking news. The Morrocan Fondler and Worst Dad of the year has resigned. Honey I shopped the kids.
Honey, I shopped the kids. Ahaha. Wayway. He’s gone! Fantastic news. Absolutely brilliant!
I suppose it would only be fair of me to tell Stu what would distract this child for more than ten minutes.
Currently I am interested in:
1. Racism + Multi-culturalism + Humza’s very serious nervous breakdown.
See my post https://wingsoverscotland.com/as-you-mean-to-go-on/comment-page-3/#comment-2822827
2. On what was said in Holyrood & Westminster in 2013 re the badger.
badger = franchise.
3. Also interested in all ‘Scottish True Crime stories’. Sadly they are currently what might be described as a very ‘slow burn’ or is it ‘slow burner’
Obviously Stu can’t write about any of that yet.
4. Very interested in knowing ‘What is a woman’ and everything related to ‘Men changing sex’
Yes Kemi & Rishi UK law allows men to change sex. Although all that has been done to death yet no definitive answer. Yes I know some SNP bloke said yesterday that Isla Bryson was a woman. I would need a lobotomy/brain transplant to accept that.
5. Mr Idul Wadhwa. Is he or isn’t he a Sissy./ Also Beth.
6. A trip down memory lane. Stories from 2011 – 2014
Videos from UK Parliament TV would be good. During that time there was so much going on it was impossible to keep up with everything that was said. Anyone remember the discussion about dual Scottish-British nationality for example. The one thing I remember about that discussion was the Labour guy whatshis face ‘you’ve had a doing’ having nightmares at the idea of people in iScotland with dual nationality being paid a heating allowance by the RUK Gov. It was an interesting discussion. An Irish lawyer (might have been Michael Foran) talked about what happened in Ireland vis a vis dual nationality. I believe Theresa May hinted there would be no dual Scottish-British nationality.
(Obviously it wasn’t in Better Together’s interest to say otherwise)
7. Finally is it true that everything currently being posted BTL is absolute shit?
Has he got a job at The John Smith Centre?
I knew a couple of people who knew John Smith. One lived across the road from him and liked him – good humoured, relaxed, gossipy, …
I told the second: he said “He must have known him before he became Party Leader. After that he was impossibly pompous”.
The revelation that Dugdale voted SNP which appeared in the past couple of days and now her resignation is probably not a coincidence. Expect her to be back in the Holyrood ring once more. Who can tell on which side it will be.
“The voter outside looked from SNP to Labour, and from Labour to SNP, and from SNP to Labour again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
Poor old Kez.
Beavering away, but, inevitably, producing nothing.
Will Humza give the job to Kate Forbes to gut the “deep recesses of management” within the NHS. Such as abolishing and amalgamating the health boards?
I highly doubt it. That would be to sensible for the cartel running Scotland’s public institutions and all of their non executive directors.
They couldn’t stomach following Michael Matheson out the door now, could they?
It’s time for the Alba Party to take over from the SNP and let the adults take charge.
Michael Matheson can stop pretending now. He will be able to put on his Celtic top and gold crucifix.
@ Mark Beggan says: 8 February, 2024 at 10:43 am
take a leaf from her toilet roll
Gonna memorise that one for re-use!
Looks like Matheson stayed in post just long enough to repay his phone bill.
Who’s gonna be keeping me healthy now?
You would need quite a sophisticated system for that to work.
Folk who didn’t like you would be giving you a yellow card. I would probably have at least four before the end of the morning.
Sometimes I wonder about sexism on this forum. Should I change my moniker to something more macho?
I prefer the idea of just letting people rip. ‘A Karen’s Diner’ type forum.
I think it’s what posters really want. What harm? You know what they say about ‘sticks & stones’
Stuart MacKay @ 11.32
The ever prescient Eric Arthur Blair (the honest Blair) got it so correct again.
I so often feel these days that our current bunch of career politicos view his 1984 opus as a guidance manual, rather than satire.
Oh how I would vote for an independent, honest, working candidate.
yet Labour are still struggling to scrape up the tiniest of leads in polling, so dismally uninspiring is the alternative they offer.
You would think Scots would jump at the chance to vote for a completely different woke, Muslim-led, LGBTQ-obsessed political party full of crooks, racists and chancers.
Are they bigits or are they homeopathic against Oor Anas?
A couple of funders of the JSC.
“Between 1 October 2020 – 31 May 2022 Scottish Government paid £470,000 in grant funding to the John Smith Centre in connection with the Minority Ethnic Emerging Leaders’ Programme. The breakdown of the payments was as follows:”
https://www.gov.scot/publications/john-smith-centre-payments-foi-release/#:~:text=Between%201%20October%202020%20%E2%80%93%2031%20May%202022,connection%20with%20the%20Minority%20Ethnic%20Emerging%20Leaders%E2%80%99%20Programme.
And here also.
https://www.johnsmithcentre.com/about-us/funding-and-collaborations/
Just for the watchful proof readers amongst us, I am aware that the original quote was from “Animal Farm”, though I am referencing 1984.
Not, of course, that we have any critical posters amongst our number.
Further to my suggestions to Stu on how to distract the children.
Uploading a story from the archives would be perfectly acceptable the next time he is bogged down with makeovers or even when he isn’t.
Repeats are fine by me. There are a lot of ‘goldfish’ amongst us ‘usual suspects’.
There are even some/many who didn’t get around to reading the articles first time around.
Also old comments are interesting if only to compare and contrast if the claim that everything being posted now is absolute shite compared to ‘the good old days’ when ‘Wingers were Wingers’ and ‘Cybernats were Cybernats’
It’s important to know history. We don’t want to be on the wrong side.
Sorry if this makes you feel ancient but I saw a book set in the 60’s being described as an ‘Historical Novel.’
Ach well I suppose if you live long enough you will be history!
Not a chance Matheson’s been watching football in Morroco. More like gentleman’s special interest entertainment. In a dark room. Alone. With a bottle of sunscreen while his wife and children are down at the pool.
Hopefully his marriage breaks up after this.
Matheson will have more alone time in the days and weeks ahead. I look forward to the findings of the inquiry into his admitted fraud. And Morrocan fondling. While his wife and children were downstairs sunbathing.
Isn’t he really pathetic? Ahahaha. If only Humza Yousaf sacked him. Now he’s going to look like an absolute tosser. Just like Matheson of Morroco.
Today is a good day. I am smiling. I am laughing.
Puzzle for the clever Trevor’s
500,000 paper clips and 10,000 paper clips boxes each able to hold 33 paper clips per box are delivered to the Murrells.
How long would it take Nicola to fill the boxes correctly?
@Ruby
It’s not readers who give the yellow card. It is the host of the site.
Slugger O’Toole, a better site than here imo, adopted this system.
People can complain about being “played” to the host and if the complaint is upheld a yellow card is issued. Presumably followed by a red card if necessary.
Adopting such a system might involve Stu in more effort than he would want. Although, if such a system existed, its necessity might decrease.
Slugger also has volunteers who have offered to moderate comments that are posted and they have the power to post their own admonitions.
It is a system that seems to work fairly well there.
I know what they say about sticks and stones. Don’t believe it.
@John Main 10.18am
It struck me earlier that your recent calls for 50 or so “brave souls and true” may be an option in future, even if it is an idea whose time has not yet come.
Until recently I always thought (hoped?) that the fastest and most secure route to independence after the SNP’s meltdown and the Supreme Court decision, was to either to destroy the SNP or ensure that a hopefully reformed SNP could be harnessed in to a broader movement to fight plebiscitary elections. I’m still hopeful that could happen, though the SNP faithful are proving worryingly immune to change.
However, it may be that absent the kind of change many of us want to see happening in a reasonable timescale, that even #HR2026 elections may not work as an “off ramp” to indy. Perhaps the idea of “the movement” reasserting ownership of the cause is what is needed? The Catalans have a Committee for the defence of the Republic, organisations like Omnium and several pro independence parties.
Maybe the way forward is for “the movement” to field non-party “well kent faces” to fight plebiscitary elections on a non party basis? Worth a try surely. I’m honestly not sure hitching the wagon of the independence movement to the SNP bandwagon (or indeed any one party’s wagon) is a good thing.
The fact the pro independence share of the vote continues to rise as toe SNPs share declines suggests that we have to decouple the two things. The SNP are, as many including WoS have been saying for some time, more of a barrier to independence than a motor for achieving it. They either have to be converted to the benefits of promoting plebiscitary elections to take advantage of the majority for independence, or electorally destroyed as the IPP was in Ireland in 1918.
Events sometimes come at you quickly in politics as Alex Salmond has said in the past, but we can’t assume the SNP are going to change or be swept aside quickly: we can certainly look forward to the day however!
David there is a very smooth olive oil available in Morocco it’s pretty cheap and doesn’t contain any chemicals or irritants. It’s organic! Yes! Yes! Yes!
They also do a very nice ‘Vin Gris’ but you would have to go there to taste it. Wine experts tell me it doesn’t travel well.
Morocco is the only Muslim country I have spent any length of time in.
I was amazed at the difference between Spain and Morocco considering it was only a 12 kilometre boat trip across the Strait of Gibraltar.
I always want to say Straits of Gibraltar for some reason.
Totally off topic so I expect that will be another yellow card.
If only I knew something about football I would know what a yellow card meant.
Talking about football and the badger. Way back in 2013 when they discussed the franchise at Westminster the topic of Sir Alex Ferguson came up and whether he should have a vote in the IndyRef even if he lived in England.
Did you know that? Do you know what was decided?
Sven there are many critical posters on this forum and that is a good thing. Who needs to edit when you have many CPs?
The obvious reason a university would lavish unwarranted honourifics and a lottery win salary requiring no effort other than the very occasional appearance at a presser, is that she is married to the Education and Skills minister for the ruling nat-duping junta.
I’m sure they know what they are doing and consider it value for money.
Stu – just a thought..
Dunno how viable it is but can you not start an off topic/current affairs section that people can chatter on?
Yoons are doing their Yoon thing by disrupting the flow & interjecting with some flame throwing bait then have the audacity to complain they don’t like the response it receives & how bored they are.
Just a suggestion. It’d keep traffic to your site while not cluttering yer new articles. Dunno if you’re monetized.
Failing that I’d lock the replies after the article.
Maybe one of us could start a free forum to congregate there instead if it’s just a hassle for you..
Resigned but not really though is it. It wasn’t his failure in health that caused it, it was his honesty as a politician.Fucker should be gone completely. Fucking ‘resigned’
Keziagonish
Yesterday evening upon the stair
I saw a pol who wasn’t there
I shrieked. They said, “Don’t make a racket”
“I’m just in to get my pay packet.”
@sam 12.23am
Slugger O’Toole, a better site than here imo, adopted this system.
A sound idea. Whether it would work here or not I don’t know: maybe Rev Stu doesn’t have the bandwidth (or desire?)to police it, or maybe WordPress can’t do it.
Perhaps a way can be found to make the “ignore” function work properly. I suspect menay would settle for a simple block function à la X/twitter?
?The John Smith Centre has never published accounts. It hides under the umbrella of respectability, fiscal probity and corporate governance offered by the University of Glasgow.
It provides a list of supporters; The Sir Victor Blank Charitable Trust, The Marshall Family, Tom McGuffog, David Nicholson, William C Phillips, The Robertson Trust, The Ryvoan Trust, The Scottish Government & The Sneader Family.
“In-kind supporters” are listed as; Charlotte Street Partners (colour me shocked) & Message House.
Without numerated financial contributions these are meaningless.
The JSC was incorporated as a charity in 2015 as the John Smith Centre for Public Service. It lay dormant ‘till 2019 when Dugdale was employed.
Who exactly funds this political influencing exercise?
One speculative answer could be inferred from the accounts of the John Smith Trust. Formed in 1996, the JST had a steady registered income basically consisting of UK Government grants of £1m pa, up to year end Sept 2019. At this point, its revenue drops precipitously to £250k pa by end financial year 2021 (with most of the decline taking place in 2020).
The JST is a political influencing operation focused on “former countries of the Soviet Union”. Basically, it’s an “off-book”, covert, outlet of Vauxhall Cross with ex senior MI6 officer Elizabeth Smith acting as custodian / front.
Notionally therefore, the JSC is funded by the British SIS, with Elizabeth Smith’s “block grant” being diverted from the international to the domestic.
Kezia Dugdale. I had completely forgotten about her. All I do remember about her is that she encouraged voters in tactical voting to defeat the SNP. And her with an SNP girlfriend too. Oh, and I remember her wee girl sing song voice.
As far as the misbehaving children on this site are concerned. I know that you are a man of great patience who believes in free speech. Nevertheless, I think the time is coming when even your patience will run out. Children beware!
Republicofscotland @ 12:01 pm
“Between 1 October 2020 – 31 May 2022 Scottish Government paid £470,000 in grant funding to the John Smith Centre”
Still on the UK-Scot-Gov ‘department’ payroll then?
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/5b3d7b3b-afa8-461e-9288-5265626b7be4
Starts at
12.46.06
Here you go here’s the debate about the franchise. I watched it way back in 2013.
On quickly scanning through it today I was struck by just how many yellow cards would be given out for ‘playing the man’.
That seems to me what politics at both Westminster & Holyrood is all about.
The difference between BTL comments and here is they are able to jeer & laugh without being censored.
With regard to shadowy organisations such as the John Smith Institute and the WEF, there is/was something called the World Festival Of Youth And Students which was held in Communist bloc countries. It was seen as a means for mentoring and giving instructions to people who had been groomed for politics in Western nations and three people who attended this were Peter Mandelson, Charles Clark and Jack Straw.
No surprise that the demands for tighter moderation BTL are coming from those who are quick to play the race card. Others just provoke hoping for a reaction then call for bans.
Chas
“I am surprised that someone is still with us on Wings.
Tick tock.”
I’d put you out yer misery first. You continually being bored & all that. He’d be doing you a favour.
Did you tell her son you are at least responsible for 100 of those posts informing us all how bored you are & you really don’t know why you come here.
That’d free up some bandwidth LOL
John H.
Ignored
says:
8 February, 2024 at 12:59 pm
Who are these children? You should name names. If you name me as one of the ‘children’ I promise you I will be gone. Just say the word and I’m off.
I’m wondering if it’s not a little childish to state that you remember ‘her wee girl sing song voice’
Being really picky is the reference to her girlfriend not a tad homophobic.
Is this whole topic not playing the man or in this case the woman?
I’m sensing a lot of hypocrisy from posters on this site also sexism.
Is Andy Ellis someone you would also describe as a child? Just sayin’
Don’t get me wrong I have no problem with Stu or yourself playing the woman nor people being childish on this forum.
I’m all for a free for all and posters saying what they think.
I just can’t stand the hypocrisy & being told ‘do as I say but not as I do’
Dugdale
Achievements = nil.
Disruption = off the scale.
Holyrood turned into a playground on everything from he said, she said, Wings beamed around the world for upsetting one of her *siblings* to not knowing what councils Labour held who’d deliberately withheld SNP childcare out of spite.
To her & the wee Harvie trying to incite the pampers brigade outside Holyrood to storm the parliament (Trump style) cause SNP bowed to pressure over the absolute are of a public consultation.
I agree with someone up there who suggested it was a reward for being an annoying twat in politics for the yoons. No way should we be paying for a centre for life’s failures to advise anyone.
*Burn it* as Wallace would say. Or strip it of funding. Let the family fund it.
An innarestin article in the Guardian Online today about the future of the west. I reckon that includes Scotland too. Here’s a wee weather-related quote:
“Storms in the ME, a hurricane in 404. The Covid Spreaders are climate change”.
I wonder if we will be flooded, desiccated, or just blown away.
Ruby 1.17
Excellent find, thanks!
Vivian oblivion 12:58
Excellent investigative deep dive, wow!
@Anton Decadent
“No surprise that the demands for tighter moderation BTL are coming from those who are quick to play the race card. Others just provoke hoping for a reaction then call for bans.”
To whom are you referring about playing the race card? is it me?
Who has called for bans and bans for whom?
John H
‘her wee girl sing song voice’
Careful there or she’ll have you in court lol. The sound of someone’s voice is homophobic in Dugdales world LOL.
If all that’s true about the JSC being a front for UK Security Services, it begs the question what it’s roll would have been had Scotland gone Independent; hiding in plain sight, nominally a “Scottish” Legacy, but actually anything but.
The most extreme example of ‘playing the man’ was Alex Salmond finding himself in the High Court.
No Yellow cards have been issued so far.
The ‘playing of the man’ vis a vis Alex Salmond continues to this day all over the internet, even on this site, in our two parliaments & beyond.
Oh but that’s different ‘cos it’s no me that is being hurt by personal abuse.
As I said the only piece of personal abuse that hurt me was being called a ‘schemie’ for reasons that I explained earlier. Also I was hurt on behalf of all the people who are currently being dismissed as ‘schemies’ It’s one of the ugliest things I’ve seen written on this site.
That wasn’t childish that was vicious.
I don’t care if someone calls me a fringe nutter, foul mouthed harridan, uneducated, moonhowling usual suspect in need of a lot of plaster etc what annoys me most is when these same posters cry foul when you return like for like.
It’s not easy to turn the other cheek which seems to be what is expected here.
I would think either this forum is totally moderated or not moderated at all.
I’m going for the free for all option.
Alba Party’s Electiongate scandal
The Alba Party constitution that says National Conference (that was held on last weekend of October 2023) is responsible for electing the NEC 8 Ordinary Members (OM). But, I am told, it was announced at Conference the NEC OM election would be held at a later date.
There was an online vote around 2 December 2023 which was open to any member who registered for National Conference by buying a £20 online ticket – but there was no requirement to have been a part of the Conference. So, in reality, Conference did not elect the 8 Ordinary Members for the NEC, it was online registrants. The election was conducted online by Single Transferable Vote.
Despite it being one vote per member, Screenshots on Twitter purport to show 288 registrants RSVPd for National Conference. However, figures released by one candidate shows 308 votes were cast in their vote in the NEC OM election.
Another Tweet alleges 288 registered for Conference and that that was supposed to be the number of voters but the number of potential voters was increased to 393 registered voters by the time of the NEC OM elections in December.
So people are asking: How were 288 Conference registrants able to cast 308 votes ?
Alba Party did not release the full voting figures for the 8 NEC Ordinary Members; it was just announced who were the successful candidates. A member of the NEC resigned and spoke out over concerns of election-rigging that the party had failed to address.
Alex Salmond later issued a response to members that Alba couldn’t publish the full election figures as they had failed to obtain prior consent from election candidates to do so. Alex gave no basis for this judgment, such as Information Commissioner GDPR guidance, legal advice etc. Members were just assured they can take his word for it that all is fine with the election.
The party released partial figures to rival candidates about each others votes, so that appears to contradict the excuse that individual candidates’ data could not be shared due to privacy concerns.
Prior to the NEC Ordinary Member election, there had been complaints about the Office Bearers election. Alex Salmond said though that vote was conducted properly, it would be re-run to allay any concerns.
However, the concerns about the NEC OM vote is much worse. It’s an issue that’s been going on for weeks and has not gone away. Another NEC member subsequently resigned privately but was outed on Twitter as having resigned. So, he explained his resignation was at least in part influenced by how the party had treated the person who had complained of election rigging.
The NEC of Alba have huge powers, for example in the Constitution, it says: “13.1 The NEC has full control over all monies, funds, property, investments and securities of any kind belonging to the Party”.
Since Alex Salmond’s response saying they couldn’t release the full voting figures, the party appears to have gone silent on the issue. There is a huge stench hanging over the party regarding the allegations of corruption, and also the party’s, and Alex Salmond’s, handling of the issues.
The failure to publish full voting figures for an election stinks. The excuse given by Alex Salmond for the failure to release the full voting figures stinks. The party’s failure to fully address reasonable and genuinely held concerns stinks. The attacks by senior members of the party on people who speak out about the concerns stinks.
The stench of corruption has been hanging over the Alba Party for weeks now and the Party’s attitude of burying its head in the sand or conducting ad hominem attacks on anyone who raises the issue will do nothing to clear the air and will surely lead to comparisons with the Murrells’ running of the SNP.
Colin Alexander @ 14.25.
Aww sugar, Colin, thanks for the (Depressing) inside info. Appreciated.
How rotten is all this, really does underline the commonsense suggestions made previousy re independent local candidates standing for election.
First the SNP, now the murky questions about Alba.
People post all these accusations of being childish,making rubbish posts etc etc but they never name names so nobody knows if they are the ones being got at. Usual suspects doesn’t cut, nor does ‘someone’ as in Chas’ post ‘I am surprised that someone is still with us on Wings’
Obviously I got a clue who Stu considered childish when he quoted one of my posts. That then gave the impression to Ellis, Chas & Main that they were clear and the only guilty person was me.
I didn’t notice you playing the race card Sam why do you think someone might accuse you of that?
Why is a so called nationalist government playing along?
There’s absolutely nothing racist on this bottom line forum. Its time for Humza Yousaf to pack is prayer Matt. And fuck off back in the direction of Dundee. And pray to Mecca from there. You know the area where Nadirs drug addled brother in law is allegedly throwing people out of tall buildings?
Dear Kate Forbes. Don’t go anywhere near Humza Yousaf’s cabinet. Do not take the poisoned chalice health secretary position.
Kate Forbes. I agree with lots of what she is saying. She wants to gut the management of the NHS. The 500 managers that have never had a pair of blue gloves on in their lives. I support that massively.
Because it’s the management of the NHS that is failing the staff.
It’s time we had an honest decent hard working Christian mother in charge of the SNP. That’s how I feel.
I heard Humza Yousaf spouting pish about this Brianna Ghey murder. Well as tragic as that was. I can’t stand all your gender shite anymore.
Pack your prayer matt and fuck off.
Freedom of speech. Kate Forbes. Hounded for her Christian faith and Christian values.
Yousaf on day 1 gets the prayer matt and mocks every one of us.
He’s lost every by election. He’s had many cabinet ministers resigning in disgrace.
He’s a fanny. That’s a liar. A cheat at home. Giving our money away to Africa and the false green agenda. Then grandstanding about our morals and wanting a Scotland First Minister.
He defends corruption. He defends Nicola. He hates our country. He hates white people.
He’s cut £200 million from the housing budget. Yet wants to give all the homes to Gaza.
It’s a disgrace. Nothing will change unless we fucking rise up and stand up against the snp.
There’s absolutely nothing racist on this bottom line forum. Its time for Humza Yousaf to pack is prayer Matt. …..
……It’s time we had an honest decent hard working Christian mother in charge of the SNP. That’s how I feel……
……Pack your prayer matt and fuck off.
Anyone else thinking what I’m thinking?
I have no idea what you are thinking Andy.
Perhaps you are confusing racism with bigotry.
It happens often. People often consider Islam a race.
Andy Ellis @ 15.17
That “matt” is more usually spelt with just one T in this context ?
@Sven
I suspect it is too much to expect orthographic exactitude from contributions which appear to emanate from the BTL equivalent of Rab C. Nesbitt after a few too many bottles of Buckfast?
We can safely assume we won’t be troubled with references to the works of Eric Blair from the gutter some of the contributions appear to lie in.
Unless this “Matt” has some interesting stories to tell us about shenanigans at the Bute House pray-ins?
There’s little that would surprise us these days in Scottish politics I fear!
Isabel Hardman Spectator wrote an article some years ago about the cost of standing as an MP. There was a suggestion of a bursary for Independent Candidates as they were being essentially excluded by the financial resource of the mainstream political parties. If you can take a personal financial hit of up to 15k (Inflation Adjusted) then you can stand. Otherwise lobby for a system of grant aided support for Independent Candidates and a cap on spending for political parties per constituency. So after the Colin Alexander post is it worth my while to attend my first Alba Branch meeting?
It was inevitable the wasters would follow Salmond.
They’ll see the back of him one way or another.
A good sex scandal failed. Now to try something else..Zzzzz
Colour me shocked.
David Hannah
It was ironic eh? The pampers brigade shitting their nappies that a Christian country with Christian values (Whether practising or not) would become First Minister of Scotland for fear our already Christian values would influence policy & shed have no time for church.
& First thing Dumbza does is roll out his prayer mat three times a day & influence policy by making us all conform to treating women & girls as 2nd class citizens who should shut up.
BTW, not a fan of Forbes. She’d have been slow torture to the SNPs demise. Plus she’s a Tory. She’s not an independence supporter & she lacks political courage. Choosing to hide over GRR instead of doing what women all over the world do on a daily basis, find a babysitter. She managed it just fine during the leadership challenge.
Johnlm
What do you think is better for your physical and mental well being
a) A round of golf, in the fresh air, with good company and a drink and a blether after the game
b) Sitting alone, on your fat erse, typing shite on a computer keyboard
It is fairly obvious which you prefer.
@George Ferguson
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.“
Vivian Oblivian @12.38pm.
Have a wee look at this, many of the names mentioned have links to the JSC.
“Dorril says that politicians including Dewar, John Smith, Gordon Brown, George Foulkes, George Robertson and Robin Cook were precisely the types the intelligence services longed to see take control of the Labour party and he believes that contemporaries and acquaintances of these leading Scottish Labour figures took active roles in organisations sponsored and endorsed by MI6 and the CIA.
“Elizabeth Smith (John Smith’s widow) was approached.”
https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/Margaret_Ramsay
Colin Alexander, don’t you think it’s a bit premature to be making the sort of judgements you and others seems to have made with regards to Alba’s election?
For all you or anyone knows it was was an honest mistake, someone screwed up with a spreadsheet or something. Another possibility is that the process was in some way infiltrated in order to discredit Alba and Salmond.
Salmond has done enough in this world to be given the benefit of the doubt. Let’s see what happens and get to the bottom of it before rushing to judgement.
Is this your sneaky way of trying to avoid accusations of ‘playing the man/childish playground bitching/name calling?
The above is pretty vicious nothing childish about it.
It didn’t take me long to figure out you meant David Hannah.
Sven helped.
Typing matt instead of mat could be a spelling error or could be a typo.
What’s the big deal? Have neither you nor Sven ever made a typo or spelling error?
Is Rab C Nesbitt your new word for schemie?
@Rev
Professor of Practice???
I wonder what research journal she publishes her work in?…
Geri @ 15.48
Ms Forbes failure to vote on the GRR Bill was even more depressing when Conservative Meghan Gallacher, also on maternity leave, managed to take part in the debate and vote against it from home.
What sort of state is Holyrood in when it’s a Conservative MSP (and the majority of their MSPs) who votes for women, whilst a female would be leader of the SNP dives for cover.
OMFG. People, you are in for a treat. I promise this is the funniest thing you will read anywhere today…
Ellis: I’ve long been convinced that one of the reasons the SNP had imploded in such a spectacular fashion is that it was intellectually and organisationally captured by an influx of former Labour (or worse NuLabour) types.”
Do you think he means the type that doesn’t mind bombing defenceless Middle Easterners for oil?
Crackers.
Ah I see he’s a ‘pick n mix’ Muslim.
That explains a lot.
He should be on that matt & giving himself a good wash five times a day.
The five fingered hand of Fatima might be to remind him it’s five and not three. I’m taking a chance posting that cos I know someone will correct me.
http://tinyurl.com/28n5mak7
I think it also keeps away evil spirits.
@Ruby
Just checkin.
The parameters are wanting tighter moderation and playing the race card.
Which race? The 2.30 at Sandown. I tipped
Mary to back Roman Warrior @ 10/1 (Scottish nag) and she won. Jumped up and down.
Or when I went through the race card at Cheltenham, place only, in the bookies.
Anybody seen “Heat Pump Dan” in their travels?
Maybe he’s sprung a leak.
Best post goes to Viv Obiv.
Worst – a tie.
@sam, in internet parlance someone who feigns confusion and innocence is known as a hatchling. With regard to people being banned you posted this earlier in the thread
“People can complain about being “played” to the host and if the complaint is upheld a yellow card is issued. Presumably followed by a red card if necessary.”
With regard to the race card you have previously claimed on here that people are dying of despair in England because there are not enough immigrants in their area. You also claimed that black males are statistically more likely than any other section of the demographic to commit murder and other violent crimes because they are, what was it you said, I think it was “disrespected”.
“Harry
Ignored says:
8 February, 2024 at 4:24 pm
Anybody seen “Heat Pump Dan” in their travels?
Maybe he’s sprung a leak.”
I really don’t believe it was the lack of activity on the site that caused the playground activity.
It was because there ain’t no moderation – anywhere.
Tied for worst.
@ Harry
Aye, I seen him earlier this morning you un-alert reader.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-paper-teapot/#comment-2822880
Have you actually got anything to add relevant to the article or are you just a trolling twat that clearly hasn’t taken on board what Stu has asked of the btl commenters.
Do you want an oldskool square go, would that help sort out the issue you have with me.
@Hatuey 4:00pm
I would always give Alex Salmond the benefit of the doubt. He has absolutely nothing to prove to me. For us second time rounders (SNP) we are more cautious of political parties. But I will attend my branch meeting and find out for myself. Alba are the party that my views are most aligned with, gave or take.
Hatuey
It’s now two months since concerns were raised about the Alba Party NEC OM election.
The only official response given, citing privacy preventing publication of voting figures with the election result still standing, is not credible or acceptable.
If it were a genuine mistake, it could have been easily rectified, as we all make mistakes.
Members don’t demand or expect perfection but they deserve honesty and transparency.
@Anton Decadent
Think you have played the wrong man.
I have never commented on immigration as far as I can remember, except perhaps some long time ago that it could be beneficial in some cases. Happy to be corrected if you can provide the evidence.
Pretty sure I’ve said nothing about black violence either and its causes.Evidence?
Foul play, I think.
The site seems to have that sort of culture to it. I’m sure there have been other cases where the wrong person has been played.
Whatever your point was, it was lost on me. Maybe someone could explain it to me? Feel free to chuck in some insults while you’re at it, I don’t mind 🙂
Feck me I thought the John Smith centre was an economic think tank dedicated to John Smith the economist. Apparently it is dedicated to the guy they killed to pave the way for Tony Neocon Blair.
Hillwalking sure is a dangerous pastime for those opposing them.
You must apply and quote a relevant disability thus entitling you to an interview.
You must have a splinter in your finger at some point causing you to lose the full movement of a finger on the key board
Rev Stu I think there are more attempts to cause disruption and enmity to your desperately needed site, funnily enough Harry has just appeared out of nowhere and without reason or cause decided to demean Dan for his posts , similar to Chas of the boring cunt anthology or Mark of the shite site belief, I had always presumed that you were the arbiter and moderator of comments but it appears these ahem commenters are not interested in your articles they just want to deride and disrupt the interest btl
Neil Grays degree will come in handy with his new job. That’s the NHS sorted with this top geezer on it.
@Colin Alexander 4.55pm
The response from Alex Salmond seemed (at least at the time from what I can remember) fairly reasonable. If the privacy/GDPR reason given for not publishing is spurious, it would seem an odd thing for him to have come out with.
I’d certainly have thought the party, containing as it does a number of lawyers within its ranks as well as (I’d imagine?) a fair few folk with considerable experience of such matters from their time in other parties, would have gone out of its way to check whether the stated reason held any water.
If you don’t think it’s credible or acceptable, what’s your evidence? It’s one thing to allege that foul play was used, but quite another to prove it.
I’ve seen some comings and going on X/Twitter about it involving people on both sides, and it doesn’t seem the easiest thing to follow for those not au fait with the minutiae of party political processes and voting.
As you say, members don’t demand or expect perfection, particularly from a relatively new party which is still finding its feet. I certainly think there’s room for improvement and have said as much publicly and in private to fellow party members. For us to accept that something nefarious has happened, a lot more evidence is going to be needed.
I do hope the party takes on board how bad this has looked and will learn the lessons. Going forward it would seem to reinforce the need for such posts to be elected by the whole membership: that’s the way to ensure openness and transparency.
@ Hatuey says: 8 February, 2024 at 4:12 pm
the type that doesn’t mind bombing defenceless Middle Easterners for oil
Hoo boy, it doesn’t take long for posters to jump on their imaginary grievance hobby horses these days.
Care to give us an example of “defenceless Middle Easterners” being “bombed for oil”, Hats?
I mean, you wouldn’t just have posted that sort of claim for fun would you?
Truth is, the world is hoaching with oil. We have not even reached peak oil yet. There’s a world war on and I just filled up with diesel at £1.47 per liter.
It’s far cheaper to buy the stuff than it is to bomb anybody for it. Here in Scotland, we’re planning on leaving most of ours in the ground.
Well iPad man and health secretary Michael Matheson has stood down from his position, he will be replaced by Neil Gray, Gray was Yousaf’s campaign manager in the SNP leadership “Campaign”. Gray was also the Minister for folk coming to Scotland from that Eastern European country, an unheard of position that’s never been replicated for any other group of folk coming to Scotland.
Some other no gooders have been shuffled in Yousaf cabinet
@ George Ferguson says: 8 February, 2024 at 3:45 pm
If you can take a personal financial hit of up to 15k (Inflation Adjusted) then you can stand
That doesn’t seem so much to me, George. If I drive anywhere for 10 miles, I’ll see dozens of people in motors costing 2, 3 or 4 times that.
Maybes I’ve been colonised.
Back in the days when Labour came from nowhere, local communities clubbed together to fund one of their number to stand for office.
£15K needs 150 people to put up £100 each. And it doesn’t have to be all at once either.
If the support, or demand, for Indy is as high as is claimed on here regularly, I wouldn’t see the financial barrier as much of an obstacle at all.
After all, post-Indy, won’t we all be coining it in?
Speculate in order to accumulate!
Besides, a successful candidate will make that £15K and more back in the first few months. What’s stopping a “subscription funded candidate” from promising to pay everybody back? After all, the entire idea of the popular, independent candidates should be that they’re not in it to get rich.
Another for the archive from Genocide John;
admitting he doesn’t understand how petrocurrencies function.
Good grief
Is it insults you want! Big fan of Karen’s Diner?
I can tell just from reading your posts you’re a vegan,a tea drinker,a fake
a liar, a transphobe and you haven’t a single tooth left in your gob.
I hate fuckin’ tea drinks especially when everyone else is having coffee. I expect you’d demand Earl Grey, Camomille or Syrup of Figs fruit tea. Vegan FFS. Get a life.
All soft food I expect due to your badly fitting false teeth not being able to handle anything other than pureed porridge & cheesy Smash.
What’s with the daft moniker are you trying to kid us on that you know what went on in the Balmoral Hotel’s Suite soixante neuf on on Le jour de St Valentin’2020? Pretentious fake.
Obviously if you were ‘The Flying Iron of Doom’ you would know a thing or two about the French kissing & crime passionelle that happened on that fateful day of love back in 2020.
But no you have offered us zero info about that event.
You can’t tell us zip because you are pretending to be something you ain’t. Fake!
You are probably pretty useless as a non flying iron too.
You probably can’t even iron your own underpants or put those razor sharp creases you just love in your jeans.
Only a transphobe would come on here and not post their pronouns. Bigot
I think if this forum became more like ‘Karen’s Diner’ folk would be flocking here in their droves to get insulted. What do you think Iron Boy? Well I don’t know if you are a boy a girl or half & half ‘cos no pronouns.
PS. Do you steam?
PPS I don’t know what Hautey is on about. He has this love-ate relationship with an Englishman.
It was supposed to be love-hate but I accidentally typed ate so I went with it.
I’m having a love-ate relationship with a chocolate brownie at the moment.
Any time you want to be insulted again just ask. 🙂
@sam, it must have been another sam or possibly a Sam then and if that is indeed the case I sincerely apologise.
That’s fine. Thank you.
Hope it’s a hash brownie.
Deputy Dug is soooo typical of this century. Said as an old before his time, come in pieces from the last century, type.
This is the 25th year of the 21st century I keep reminding myself. Is it though? What if we’re going back since 2000 and it’s 1976 now !
Heat Pump Dan.
I don’t think there is a poster on here who goes off topic more than you.
Ruby 4:22
It is indeed five.
I skipped two because his working day won’t include dawn & bedtime. Tho I’m sure if we gave him the stage to drone on long enough he’d claim he never sleeps thinking about his very important job. What exactly that job entails is as elusive as Dugdales. It’s certainly not related to what he was actually elected to do.
Sven
Correct. When Brexit was going through parliament MPs were forced out of their hospital beds to attend the vote. Wheelchairs & sick buckets provided. New mothers even strapped their babies on. There was no excuse for Forbes missing every single vote on GRR. You’re right, she ran away but not for the first time either- she threw Ash (letter) under a bus & then threw Ash under the bus again over the membership saga. A coward who would have been a disaster.She was super fast at handing over aid to 404 too out of a devolved administrations budget & caving over Free ports too. She was also no better than Dumbza with the well trotted out section 30 rubbish.
I don’t think there is anyone in the SNP who could save the SNP.
Oh dear two posters with the same moniker. That is one of the problems with insisting on real names. The Herald insisted on real names when they had a free for all forum. The three John MacLeods were accusing one another of identity theft. It was fun.
Not everyone in Scotland has a unique name. Just ask the Reverend Stuart Campbell. He had to self-id as a member of the clergy to be a unique well maybe only a group of twenty or so.
Johnlm 6:56
LOL!
@Harry
An attack on Dan, the third (maybe more), is certainly off topic.
You ducked Dan’s question about a square go- metaphorical or otherwise.
Why not use Dan’s moniker? Hoary?
Heat pump Dan 4.46pm
A Square go???
I would say that is definitely off topic.
LOL
Colin Alexander subitted and extremely well-written ‘comment’. This is the final paragraph:
“The stench of corruption has been hanging over the Alba Party for weeks now and the Party’s attitude of burying its head in the sand or conducting ad hominem attacks on anyone who raises the issue will do nothing to clear the air and will surely lead to comparisons with the Murrells’ running of the SNP.”
One does not need to look too far back from the start of the Murrells’ Era of running the SNP, to discover who was their predecesssor, and from whom, probably, they learned the art of politics in the Scottish National Party. The Murrels gratefully adopted what they inherited, then took to it whole new levels of lies, secrecy, deception, outlandish even insane policies, and suspicions of gross dihonesty and financial jiggery-pokery. of which any self-respecting
@Ruby
What’s a Transphobe?
Neil Gray looks a bit wet behind the ears. I fear for the NHS. Especially with this former journalist and Dumza’s campaign manager in charge. He’ll probably be a bully. He looks the type. A bouncer type pen pusher.
I hope the doctors and nurses tell him where to go.
Colin Alexander subitted an extremely well-written ‘comment’. This is his final paragraph:
“The stench of corruption has been hanging over the Alba Party for weeks now and the Party’s attitude of burying its head in the sand or conducting ad hominem attacks on anyone who raises the issue will do nothing to clear the air and will surely lead to comparisons with the Murrells’ running of the SNP.”
One does not need to look too far back from the start of the Murrells’ era of running the SNP, to discover who was their predecesssor, and from whom, probably, they learned the art of politics as operated in the Scottish National Party. The Murrels gratefully adopted what they inherited, then took to it whole new levels of lies, secrecy, deception, outlandish even insane policies, and accusations of gross dishonesty and financial jiggery-pokery.
Which brings me to the point – is there any reason why any of us should think that Mr Salmond today, is a different Mr Salmond from his per 2014 time as leader of the SNP?
Mark Beggan
Ignored says:
8 February, 2024 at 7:59 pm
@Ruby
What’s a Transphobe?
Bait
I think the NHS is going downhill. The SNP are going totally woke. They are flooding the health service with African and other foreign nurses.
Instead of paying the British, Scots and Europeans already in the health service the wages they deserve for the responsibility of the role.
There is massive scale fraud taking place in the healthcare work visas.
I support the UK Government plans to crack down on fake nurses bringing their families and getting the free houses. As per NMC website. The 77 Nigerian nurses who are fraudsters, discovered to have cheated on their CBT test.
Shocking. But not surprising. It’s the SNP way.
Africa first. Scotland last. It’s not racist to say it. It’s fact.
@ Republicofscotland says: 8 February, 2024 at 6:46 pm
Minister for folk coming to Scotland from that Eastern European country, an unheard of position that’s never been replicated for any other group of folk coming to Scotland
Seems simple enough to me, RoS.
The country that irks you so much is in a situation, unique so far, in the time period during which the SNP has been in power.
Whether that situation remains unique will depend on whether any other Eastern European countries get invaded, terrorised, bombarded, etc. etc.
Maybes ScotGov will need separate ministers for each one – maybes a single portfolio will suffice. Maybes it will depend on the numbers of refugees; thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions.
To touch on yesterday’s topic, I don’t want New Scots in any significant numbers, but given a free choice, these are the kind of New Scots I would choose. And Hats is onboard too – immigrants bring nowt but blessings, according to him.
Ah well, I told you in the last week of February 2022 that everything had changed. You didn’t believe me then. Probably you won’t believe me now.
But you will, one day.
What do you say, then, Ros, enough grown up stuff for one night? Hows about some cunt calling to get the posts flowing in? It’s all about the clicks!
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/professional-regulation/widespread-fraud-confirmed-at-nmc-test-centre-in-nigeria-21-09-2023/
SNP. Giving all of the social housing and accommodation to international nurses.
They can bring their families. Get the houses before the Scottish men.
It’s not right. I’m sure they’re nice caring people. You’d have to be. But I don’t like the way the NHS has been going under the woke SNP. The LGBT lobby and the transgender care pathway. All very chilling.
Time for Kate Forbes to step up and abolish the 15 different health boards and the selfish self serving managers of the corrupt NHS.
It’s time to gut the NHS and put the pen pushers to work. They are destroying it. And putting our families at risk. That’s what’s happening.
@Ruby
Have you seen anyone else called sam or capital Sam here? I haven’t noticed him/her /cat.
@ Mark Beggan says: 8 February, 2024 at 7:59 pm
What’s a Transphobe?
Somebody who insists their valve amp gives better tone.
Probably still playing vinyl too.
There’s a small but highly respectable niche subgroup who never play their vinyl after they buy it, cos every play degrades it.
They never play their vinyl through their valve amp always, insisting the sound they hear in their heid is superior to anything “modern”.
If you have to buy a semi, these people make superb neighbours!
@ sam says: 8 February, 2024 at 8:07 pm
Bait
One word, four letters, encapsulating the Scottish Cringe in all its pathetic, futile, uselessness.
Dinna tak the challenge! It’s a trap I tell ye!
Gregory Beekman (8 February, 2024 at 4:03 pm)
Ignored says:
@Rev
Professor of Practice???
I wonder what research journal she publishes her work in?
‘The Journal of Studies’
Dippy Dugdale- Barking Mad!
Too dumb to be found guilty.
I remember her on TV demanding her statement was accurate while not making sense.
She demanded you can check it out on Google.
That was correct you could and Google advised so was talking nonsense.
Lastly, She was on the doors before an election and Labour are set to win 42 Scottish seats.
They won ONE.
She should join Jedward and make a trio of no talent buffoons making cash while being a
Bizarre joke that they can’t see.
@John Main
Take a powder
@John Main 6:53pm
15k is a lot of money to most Scots people and remember your likely to lose your deposit of £500 if you poll below the 5% threshold. And that won’t be grant refundable. In intellectual and philosophical terms Independent Candidates are appropriate. I can’t tell you if Alba are fielding a candidate in my Constituency they are resource constrained as well. Part of me wants to stand but my wife tells me I am too honest. Who do I vote for in the coming GE if Alba don’t stand a candidate. On fundraising I have never taken a pound from a fellow Independence supporter so I won’t start now.
Andy Ellis
We all know what a fantastic communicator Alex Salmond is. He’s so capable of concisely pinpointing and addressing issues better than most people.
Yet, his response on this matter is waffling. He hints at maybe it would help enemies or rivals to publish the full figures. He hints at privacy concerns by discussing a failure to obtain consent to share. He backs the decision not to reveal the voting figures but avoids saying how that decision was reached.
When an intelligent, highly-skilled user of language like Salmond or Sturgeon, is imprecise, hinting at an answer that leaves people working out their own answer that they think the politician meant, that sets my alarm bells ringing.
When a politician decides it’s better to keep secrets, that sets my alarm bells ringing.
When ANY politicians then makes it a matter of taking their word for something, my alarm bells explode off the wall.
All this talk of Dugdale makes me nostalgic for the golden age of Scottish politics when all three main parties were led by lesbians.
David Hannah
There’s a strand of Critical Race Theory (CRT) that asserts that the best candidate (as in highest qualified, most experienced, or most competent) should never be accepted for any job vacancy.
Why?
Because it is only by taking advantage of entrenched, hidden racism, privilege or elitism that a candidate can become the best in the first place.
Being second rate is a badge of authentic, oppressed victimhood, and these victims are due payback. So one of the victims should get the job – it’s only fair!
I don’t know how far this idea has infiltrated into everyday life. The recent revelations about the lack of competence and plagiarism at American universities shows it is present in academia.
It may be present in our NHS too. Rational people would think that nobody wants the runner up brain surgeon who applied for the job operating on their child. But the sort of irrational people who might make that hiring decision probably go private.
@Colin Alexander 8:52pm
You lost me on that one. Are we going to turn Alba into a party of internal machinations and process? So SNP. So last decade. We are looking for ideas and the way forward. I will decide for myself if Alba infiltration is beyond redemption. The power of critical and independent thought. BTW Kenny McAskill is chairing the meeting himself. That’s worthy of a visit to the Branch meeting itself.
This post is an eyeopener. Dugdale was recruited to the dark side by George Foukes himself (CIA/MI? for many years) very early in her political career. She is protected long term.
https://caltonjock.com/2023/02/07/the-john-smith-centre-promotes-distrust-in-scottish-politics-and-the-delivery-of-public-services/
https://caltonjock.com/2022/10/03/an-informed-hypothesis-is-it-the-case-that-the-snp-and-the-john-smith-trust-are-in-cahoots-working-to-blindside-scots-over-independence/
https://caltonjock.com/2022/08/24/scottish-national-party-mps-and-msps-are-failing-scots-badly-under-the-auspices-of-their-corrupt-government-whose-leadership-is-controlled-and-directed-by-influential-lobbyist-groups/
https://caltonjock.com/2022/02/18/sarah-smiths-attacks-on-scottish-political-culture-pale-into-insignificance-when-measured-against-her-conduct-as-an-influential-employee-of-the-bbc/
https://caltonjock.com/2021/11/08/a-briefing-for-the-serious-followers-of-scottish-politics-final-part-overt-british-secret-services-in-scotland-gathered-under-the-auspices-of-baroness-smith-add-in-the-coverts-from-the-previou/
https://caltonjock.com/2014/12/20/the-john-smith-centre-is-designed-to-undermine-the-integrity-and-authority-of-what-is-left-of-the-impartiality-of-the-uk-civil-service-through-the-expansion-and-influence-of-political-special-advisors/
George Ferguson
Of course, members should make up their own minds, not just go with what I or Alex or anyone else tells them.
I think there is a clear way forward for Alba: Ash Regan as the new leader and a new General Secretary. Also, one member one vote for all party elections conducted with full transparency in accordance with the constitution.
I would also like to see an abstentionist policy adopted (refusing to take an oath to England’s King and his heirs so MPs would be able to represent constituents but prevented from taking seats at WM) in line with Alba’s statement that it’s the people of Scotland who are sovereign (not England’s monarchy or England’s parliament).
It would also be in accordance with Alba’s pro-republican policy.
Anyone who is a member or thinking of joining Alba, I would encourage you to be a member and push for reforms at your LACU (branch) to make Alba transparent, accountable to its members, and not like another SNP gravy train for those wanting British political careers.
I can see Albas point on not wishing to give the likes of Pushy Pete anything more to gloat over.
But they should just bite the bullet & declare all. Membership does not mean voters. SNP was only at a few thousand before indyref.
I’m not a member of Alba (once bitten twice shy with SNP) but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote for them at the ballot box.
Alba needs to be wary of spoilers tho (no idea the backstory or who is an OM) Once trust is lost its the kiss of death to any venture. Especially a new one.
I dunno what that Muppet Charles (not the R one) is blabbering on about. The SNP under Salmond was the most democratic in the UK before Emelda took over & Robertson started to give the Murrell’s absolute control.
Piss off & go look up any Yoon party if you want a masterclass in corruption. From Ruskie donors to cash for honours.
lol “If you have to buy a semi, these people make superb neighbours!”
I really think that little chat we had has helped already, John, that comment as a whole @8.17 was quite funny…
Anyone got a link to the Tucker interview?
@Colin Alexander 10:35 pm
So a differentiated stance already. It’s not up to you to declare the Head of State or whether the people of Scotland want a constitional monarch or not. Post Independence the people will decide the Head of State arrangements in a referendum. Give or take 12000 members of a political party don’t get to decide Scotlands constitutional future. I am all for an integrative stance. The only way to secure Scottish Independence. But nobody is listening.
Anton Decadent
Ignored
says:
8 February, 2024 at 1:25 pm
‘With regard to shadowy ….’
I had not heard of that. That is interesting.
Scots shouldn’t be made to take an oath to a foreign king.
They are elected to parliament to serve Scotland.
He isn’t our monarch.
& TBH, the Royals crucified themselves because the chances of them staying on as Head of State is remote. He could have & should have advised *His Prime Minister & his government* it wasn’t democratic to deny us Scots a referendum. It was a democratic vote. We vote voted for a referendum. Now he can have a referendum all of his own now too..lol
Scottish independence is already secured.
I’d argue it’s been secured since the 19th of September 2014 when Cameron put the boot in to Naw voters on the steps of Dowdy street.
Also when Devo Max took a powder along with extensive new powers & the strongest Scottish parliament in the whole wide world – as they proceeded to row back, strip it & now it’s up on bricks..
Also the Smith Commission – the wheels soon fell off that eh?
Also Brexshit.
We can also add up all their secret bullshit covertly working on intelligence that they know their arse is over the window..
Also refusing a ref is what seals it. They wouldn’t keep refusing if they were confident they’d win..
& Finally the poll on the absolute cluster fuck state of the union that they refused to publish on the grounds it was a matter of national security.
All Scotland needs is someone to bring it home who won’t throw it away for a tin gong & a ermine cloak..
Watching Anas Sarwar ape the SNP on the 2 child benefit rape clause. None of my children are in receipt of child allowance. Because there on over 50k. We got family allowance as it was then when we were young. I see no difference between the SNP narrative and Scottish Labour. Both parties are lying about child benefit arrangements. It’s not a rape clause but an anti ambition clause. Progressive means their is no room for ambition in Scotland.
What? The shiny new Scottish Labour MP hasn’t scrapped the two child cap yet? He promised he would..
That benefit is reserved to Westminster. I think it comes under Universal credit.
The SNP can’t fix it & Sarwar has been told by Starmer to STFU about it (His Rutherglen spiel) cause he has absolutely no plans to reverse it if he gets into power.
It’s not a family allowance. It’s a benefit to top up low income families.
Anything that alleviates poverty is reserved.
Paying people a real living wage would far more progressive & it would get rid of the stigma of people thinking they’re scroungers. They’re not. They’re paid shit wages & that’s if they can even get some hours in. But employment law is reserved too.
& The SNP shouldn’t keep mitigating against Tory shit. Eventually our budget will be down to pennies to spare at this rate.
The only way to fix anything is independence. Not continually fixing Yoon policies to keep the status quo & our budget dwindling. The Tories were described as lower than vermin over 70 years ago & they’ve not only gotten worse but now we’ve a matching pair with Labour.
Hatuey
Ignored says:
8 February, 2024 at 11:10 pm
Anyone got a link to the Tucker interview….
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3AWUIE0nozy9/
Bit of a slow burner to begin with, but Mr P is setting the context of today against the historical background in much the same way as Scotland’s history is an essential component of where we are today.
Think about it… If we Independentists wanted to brief the Ruskians about Scottish Independence, wouldn’t it be necessary, and indeed politic, to include the seminal events of the 13th – 14th Century? It’s a big mouthful, but a necessary one.
Granted, it’s quite rare to get this historic preamble in a political interview designed for “glib” television, but personally, I found it refreshing and I really get where Mr P is coming from.
I’m not really a Tucker Carlson fan to be honest. It’s a Fox News prejudice perhaps, but I always see a man craving stardom and celebrity, and his delivery is too saccharine for my taste, but maybe I’m being too hard on old Tucker. He actually managed a few insightful questions which didn’t make my toes curl.
The down side is, half the people in the Independence Movement don’t get where I’m coming from, in the Constitutional sense, so I fear half of what Mr P is saying is going to fly over peoples’ heads. In the US, probably a lot more than half.
Still, people must draw their own interpretations.
For what it’s worth, I think Mr P is extremely intelligent, clearly well versed in Ruskian history, extremely shrewd, but he is also acutely aware of the West, and especially the CIA’s habitual duplicity. He is very suspicious of us.
Truth be known, I feel embarrassed by the West’s contribution to improved / normalised relations with Ruskia since the 90’s, and I fear the biggest loser is going to be the EU.
For me, the biggest success of the EU was never it becoming a trade powerhouse, but advancement of peace, reconciliation, and former, sometimes historic enemies finding common ground and turning animosity into camaraderie. Sadly, the EU has lost its way in recent years, and that fantastic experiment might now be in decline.
Maybe a point to ponder is whether the difference between Ruskia and the EU, is that the Ruskians under Pwtin have a discriminating and adept leadership suspicious of habitual American chicanery, whereas the EU has no such resistance to it.
The other “spectre” to investigate is this malevolence emanating from the USA. What is its source, and what is its composition? What is its objective? Is it really what it appears to be? Is it actually a malevolence that is from the USA, or instead, does its origin lie in either London, Tel Aviv, or perhaps it is an entirely stateless entity?
Whatever “it” is, it is currently eroding peace and stability in Europe, and we would all be wise to start paying attention.
Is it poor chance, sheer bad luck, or wilful design, that Scotland when it badly needs an adept and savvy leader like it’s own Mr P, is saddled with a freak show of useless, impotent whelks who care more about boys being girls and using the right pronouns than defending Scotland’s existential integrity?
Hands up anyone who thinks it’s accidental. Scotland takes its medication, but how I wish it didn’t.
I think me and Mr P want the same thing; Western leadership that is worthy of respect. I’d be happier in the first instance if we could manage that in Scotland. Doesn’t look promising though…
I don’t mind in talking about immigration. The SNP are cutting places for Scottish born scholars. Our children are being frozen out of University. Our children having their place at a Scottish institution of enlightenment. Given to Johnny Foreigner. All thanks to Humza Yousaf’s anti white gender politics.
“There is a “cap” on the amount for eligible Scottish students who get “funded places” at university with the money for this being supplied by the Scottish Government. Meanwhile, those coming from the rest of the UK need to pay up to £9,250 a year, and international students get charged much more.”
It’s a disgrace. Our NHS is becoming African. And our Universities are becoming Chinese.
What about the Scots I ask? This is nationalist blog.
No ifs. No buts. No education cuts!
Breeks @ 2.37
Superb commentary , B . The WOS Liliputian toy soldiers will be fulminating with white noise n impotent fury ; from the safety of their armchairs , natch .
I haven’t watched the actual interview yet but did catch TC’s preamble . He makes several pertinent points , one in particular which should be uncontroversial ..ie.. the American people are paying – exorbitantly – for this aberration , ergo have the absolute right to hear ALL sides of the argument .
Of course , all the great defenders of Democracy are apoplectic with rage that their carefully cultivated demonising of Mr P ( ” Mad V the Tyrant ” , who when not – according to the propaganda – planning his diabolical takeover of , well , the World , is dying from everything it’s possible to die from ; though it will prob be the bubonic plague that finally takes him out ; really ? aye , really , ask Hilary ) is in danger of being undermined by exposure to the reality . Talking about the latter , I see Hilarious is being wheeled-out to cast her incoherent , hypocritical venom on T.C . Oh , remind me , what was all that ” Russiagate ” stuff about , again ?
Utter made-up shite . Apologies , consequences for the fabricators ? Don’t be daft , of course not .
VP is a man tasked with defending his country , and is doing so with all the resolve and strategic nous he can summon . This , latest , horror show in ” the East ” is the direct fault of US interference and psychotic need to bully and intimidate in order to maintain it’s ( fast diminishing ) global dominance .It’s bad faith re post-Soviet R is clear for anyone honest enough to look dispassionately ; they lied , deceived , broke accords and treated R with arrogant disdain : not enough that the West ” won ” the Cold War , the ” losers ” had to be ground into dust . Look where such hubris has led – the precipice of total war , again , FFS .
Hopefully , when more American people see what has/is being done in their name , with their money , they’ll say ” Enough ” ; and the tragic waste of lives can end .
If only Scotland had a leader with a fraction of VP/Rusha’s fierce determination to protect their country from the ceaseless undermining/provocation of it’s enemies .
@ Breeks 9 February, 2024 at 2:37 am
I think me and Mr P want the same thing; Western leadership that is worthy of respect
I guess the west could earn his respect by nuking Moscow.
Right now, we are making him laugh by fighting him with one hand tied behind our backs. Just like with the Female Genital Mutilators (Iran).
Cue pelters, no doubt.
But I have to wonder. The Indy movement so-called “driving force”, Scotland as a nice, wee, cuddly, nice, non-aggressive, nice, friendly, nice country hoaching with nice people has got us absolutely nowhere.
Demonstrably, it’s been a total failure.
Yet still the calls for everybody to just be nice continue. Be nice the arguments go, and the sinister, murdering, despots of the world will be nice back. All they want is to be loved you see.
Nicer than nice, maybes, is the key to Indy, prosperity and peace on the world stage.
That’s an idea that looks like it is going to take a long time to die.
The nation state only exists between the ears.
To change the state you have to change what’s between those points.
@ Robert Hughes says: 9 February, 2024 at 7:23 am
VP/Rusha’s fierce determination to protect their country
404 is “their country” in much the same way that Scotland is “England’s country”.
Try to be consistent on an Indy site, Bob, and develop some ability to think things through.
Then you won’t have to post screeds of runny shite.
The “tragic waste of lives” is people freely getting out of their armchairs to defend their own country, nation, culture and language with their own fragile bodies. As an “armchair warrior”, I can but humbly acknowledge the bravery and commitment of these people as they do things I don’t believe I have the capacity to emulate.
For you, as a fellow “armchair warrior”, sniping, carping and nitpicking from thousands of miles away, I am proud and pleased to say you are beneath my contempt.
There is a serious discussion to be had, as the US hegemon cedes influence to the loose alliance of the Orcs, FGMs and Covid Spreaders, how that will play out for wee countries whose mostly peaceful existence for the past half century has been safely under the umbrella of the Pax Americana.
One ginormous elephant in the room is that when we look at the countries of the Orcs, FGMs and Covid Spreaders, there’s hardly a single fecking Scot who would choose to go there – in fact, the flows of people are mostly in the opposite direction.
As I said, that should be ringing alarm bells with any serious, rational observer, but dinna fash, Bob, you’re excused.
And so, another day of Genocide John’s carpet munching begins.
Pax Americana???
Robert Hughes
Ignored says:
9 February, 2024 at 7:23 am
…. The WOS Liliputian toy soldiers will be fulminating with white noise n impotent fury ; from the safety of their armchairs , natch .
As we all know, there are a number of these toy soldiers who dismiss Scotland’s history and Constitution as irrelevant, however it occurred to me that “Auld” Scotland presenting it’s Sovereign credentials to the UN would not only secure recognition, but positively resonate with global heavyweights like VP . It would ALL matter.
Not just Ruskia, but I believe the Chinese would also attach great solemnity to the Constitutional precedents. I cannot lie however, there is also a likely component of Schadenfreude or all out revenge, where certain parts of the world might revel in the instability and ultimately final demise of the British Empire.
Instead, when blessed with such a momentous opportunity to focus the world’s attention on the damage to Europe and Scotland’s unconstitutional subjugation, we presented the world with a slavering halfwit, cheerleading for a no fly zone and escalation of the war to be imposed.
Fk me. What unpardonable folly….
No mention on here, regarding the minimum alcohol price increase?The nanny state!,Punish the resposible drinker for the actions of those that cant control their intake,This will have little effect on the fat troughers who bring these laws in.They will continue the luxury lifestyle in London etc,whilst Scots working class and pensioners will pay much more for what little pleasure they have.Also these Holyrood troughers have NO concept of business,none of them,they can only waste/ spend money created by others,and have no regard for the wealth creating Scottish drinks producers.
Breeks
” …..we presented the world with a slavering halfwit, cheerleading for a no fly zone and escalation of the war to be imposed.
Fk me. What unpardonable folly… ”
Absolutely , B .
” a slavering halfwit ” . LOL 🙂 EXACTLY what she was/is .
So lacking in original thought/character and desperate for * VIP * approval she could only parrot her Queen ..ie ..the loathsome H Clinton , displaying her compliance and subservience to NeoCon dogma . Seeming not even fully aware that what she was advocating could have precipitated full-on War : rather than the proxy version the shitebag Yanks are using the blood of ‘krainians to wage . Those monstrous US Hawks even crowing about what great value their * investment * is generating .. ” Dead ‘ussians & MIC profit + jobs at home . Fantastic , eh ?
There is research to show the health benefits in raising the unit price of alcohol.It lowers risk of liver cirroshis, drink-driving and crimes of violence.
Why did Penny Mordaunt say in Parliament where they are protected that the SNP were under 22 different police investigations.
A country that knows the price but not the value.
https://archive.ph/MZJ1j
Scotland couldn’t be more British.
Vivat Britannia!
Muriel «two fires» Gray….a friend of Sturgeon?
George Ferguson
You asked for the way forward, so I suggested a way forward, rather than repeating my previous statement. The way forward: A younger generation leading Alba: Ash Regan and an abstentionist policy that challenges the falsely asserted British sovereignty of English Crown in WM..
Alba say Scots are sovereign NOW, not dependent on independence. So, why should sovereign Scots swear fealty to England’s king / UK head of state? Doing so betrays the principle that Scots retained sovereignty although we lost independence.
Geri @ 12:05 am
“Scottish independence is already secured. I’d argue it’s been secured since the 19th of September 2014”
Yes, indeed Scotland is and has been de-facto independent since the first of three elected nationalist majorities of SNP MPs in 2015.
That ‘event’ comprised the most fundamental change in our national electoral politics since the 1707 union. Up until 2015 Scotland had always returned a majority of unionist MPs ostensibly to represent our interests. That complicit reality was fundamentally altered in 2015, and since.
It can also be argued that a majority of nationalist MPs in Scotland means that Scotland is de jure independent, i.e. Scotland is lawfully entitled to be independent any time these elected individuals do what they were elected to do.
Which implies that the only reason any UK parliament continues to legislate for Scotland is because of SNP MP’s ‘petrifaction’, and their ‘lack of courage to act at the decisive moment’ (Fanon). A richt paircel o rogues (Burns).
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/08/08/determinants-of-independence-constitution/
Sam @ 09.36
Having had a mum & dad who were both alcoholics (dad died early of liver disease) I know that the alcoholic will do without anything for themselves or their family to feed their addiction.
I may not be aware of the theoretical studies, however I do know the lived reality.
@ Breeks says: 9 February, 2024 at 8:29 am
I’m a believer in democracy, first and last. The least worst of all the ways to run a country.
Whether I agree with what the majority of the Scottish voters want is immaterial in the final analysis – the tyranny of the majority must win every time.
If you really believe the majority of Scots want alignment or help with Indy from the Orcs and Covid Spreaders, then make your case and get your popular movement on the streets.
Run it up the flagpole, see who salutes.
Get the Female Genital Mutilators (Iran) enthusiasts onside too. They’re a bit harsh on lippy and uppity females who don’t know their place, but if you truly believe that’s what we Scots want, then fill your boots.
I’m unimpressed by hordes of non-indigenous Scots on our streets chanting “Down with the Great Satan” and “Death to the Jews” myself, but maybes I’ve lost touch. Mobilise these sentiments through the ballot box and I’ll maybes learn to live with them.
Can’t say fairer than that, Breeks.
Thanks for the link, Breeks, I actually found it on YouTube.
Everybody knew that Russia would oppose NATO nuclear missiles on its Ukrainian border, just as the US opposed them in Cuba. People like John Mearsheimer have been talking about it since the mid 1990s. Using a bunch of neo-Nazis as a proxy for that was never going to be accepted by a country that lost over 20 million people to Nazis.
There’s important aspects to this that have yet to be fully investigated and brought to light, a major one being the corruption involved.
It looks like hundreds of millions of dollars changed hands before Russia invaded, which should ring alarm bells, and it looks like the Bidens and others in the administration were up to their eyeballs in it. If Trump gets into the Whitehouse again, we can hope that he will address this and use the full force of the law.
When you stand back and look at the evidence all at once, Ukraine, bio-weapons labs, covid and the suspicious vaccine deaths, the constant wars, the blatant lies and Stalinist control of the media, the corruption (facilitated by offshore banking), the attempted military coups in Pakistan and South America, Assange, etc., etc., etc., it looks like the US and Britain have been hijacked by a bunch of maniacs, dragging the collective West into the gutter with them.
We don’t seem able to stop them, they’ve got “democracy” well and truly stitched up, but it looks like the world has had enough. God help them if they ever face Nuremberg-style trials.
@ Alf Baird says: 9 February, 2024 at 10:11 am
It can also be argued that a majority of nationalist MPs in Scotland means that Scotland is de jure independent
So we’re “de facto” independent and “de jure” independent, except in the real world, where we’re “bleedin obviously” not.
But I’m not here to have a go, Alf. I’m curious.
If or when the SNP majorities turn to minorities, say in 2024 (WM) and 2026 (HR), will we still be “de facto” independent and “de jure” independent? Surely democratic votes can’t just overturn our independence, when most likely, most Scottish voters won’t know that’s what they are voting for?
But if there are no pro-Indy majorities in one or other house, what do you reckon will be our status?
Will the history books record that Scotland became independent for 10 years or so, before reverting back to the Union, and during that time, hardly anybody noticed?
I wonder if this will secure Orkney’s long time energy needs and will Orcadians pay a reasonable price for their energy. I doubt the actual turbines will be built in Orkney.
The Scottish government has a track record of selling off our assets on the cheap, the last ScotWind sale by Sturgeon the Judas was a giveaway.
Scotland a country is teeming with energy sources yet Scots pay through the nose for energy, energy stolen by our foreign neighbour and sold back to us at a higher price, and our MSPs and MPs do nothing about it.
“COUNCILLORS in Orkney have backed plans for a multi-billion-pound offshore windfarm development.
Orkney Island Council’s development and infrastructure committee met on February 6 to consider the West of Orkney Windfarm plans, which would see the construction of up to 125 wind turbines 30 kilometres west of the Orkney mainland.
After considering the application, which was submitted to Scottish Government ministers in October, councillors decided to back the plans.
It is thought the project could represent more than £4 billion of investment.
Orkney Council is a statutory consultee. However, the final decision to grant offshore consent lies with the Scottish Government.”
https://archive.is/9mNLI
Only our colonial administration could do this, Matheson must be laughing up his sleeve at us.
“Michael Matheson will receive nearly £13,000 in ministerial severance pay after resigning as Health Secretary.
The SNP MSP will be given £12,712 for standing down from his Cabinet role.
Scottish Government ministers are entitled to three months of their final ministerial salary as a severance payment.”
Nae wonder oor MSPs don’t want independence, they already possess the Golden Goose.
Sam @ 09.36
As the child of 2 alcoholic parents I regretfully know that an alcoholic will go without anything for themselves, or family, to feed their addiction.
Increasing the unit price will do nothing to stop their consumption.
John Main @ 10:42 am
“Will the history books record that Scotland became independent for 10 years or so, before reverting back to the Union, and during that time, hardly anybody noticed?”
Independence and sovereignty must be asserted, that is what ‘nationalist’ leaders have to do, and are elected to do, but in our case refuse to do.
Scotland’s ‘nationalist’ leaders clearly have much to learn from the Irish and many other former colonies which decolonized. And from postcolonial theory too, which tells us about the national party leaders ‘petrifaction’ and their ‘lack of courage at the decisive moment’.
I expect history may show the current SNP leaders not to be ‘nationalists’. We already know they don’t wish to be ‘nationalists’. And they prove it every day. Their ‘progressive’ focus is on other priorities, and other minorities interests, but it is not on liberation of the Scots.
History should confirm this, unless it is written by a colonialist, as is much of the history of a colonized people.
@Colin Alexander 10:33am
Hopefully we will meet up perhaps at an Alba Conference and discuss further. Have a good weekend.
the full tucker/putin interview is on X/twitter, but it’s not all worth watching
In case anyone hasn’t seen any of it –
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=209590
random excerpts :
TUCKER: What is your opinion of President Biden?
PUTIN: We’re convinced HE IS NOT RUNNING THE COUNTRY. Let’s say we have good sources that confirm that but it’s plain for anyone to see for themselves. The US has now entered into a dark period. It has unaccountable leadership.
– the guy who writes the teleprompter is running america.
TUCKER: Do you think Joe Biden won fair and square?
PUTIN: I would rather not get into domestic American politics but will say my embassy reported your southern border was better run than that 2020 election. (chuckles)
– classic shitlording.
TUCKER: But isn’t Russia weaker and more vulnerable economically than the US?
PUTIN: When you look at the size of economies we are small. But few people take into account our VAST NATURAL RESOURCES. RUSSIA HAS OVER $80 TRILLION IN THE GROUND. NO COUNTRY EVEN COMES CLOSE TO US.
– wall st wants those resources, but for “cents on the dollar” – no profit in paying full whack for them. Break the country up, install strongmen and kleptocrats, have the shock doctrine mk2.
TUCKER: Let’s touch on climate change. It’s still being pushed in the United States and Europe. What’s your position?
PUTIN: Humanity is not even a TYPE 1 CIVILIZATION ON THE KARDASHEV SCALE. If we can’t harness the energy potential of the planet how can we control the climate?
– that he knows the kardashev scale, is something.
TUCKER: Are you at least concerned?
PUTIN: I’m more concerned with real issues. Climate change is not one of them. The Earth does a fairly good job of regulating itself. And IF SIBERIA GETS A LITTLE WARMER ALL THE BETTER. MORE FARMLAND FOR RUSSIA.
TUCKER: Along those lines, how do you see the transgender movement?
PUTIN: It’s interesting to me that all the things which use to be a target of blackmail are now badges of honor. In Russia there are no laws either way but we certainly do not force our children into it.
– vlad has a sense of humour.
TUCKER: Russia has been criticized for its ant gay laws and as being unfriendly to LGBTQ+.
PUTIN: We have LAWS WHICH PROTECT OUR CHILDREN. And we do not drape our embassies in rainbow flags. That’s correct. Otherwise we do not interfere in the private lives of adult citizens.
– exactly.
TUCKER: What do you think of American football?
PUTIN: It’s an interesting sport. But why do you call it football when the ball is almost always played with the hands? It also seems needlessly violent at times.
– the misnomer always grated with me. I think they should call it “helmet rugby”.
TUCKER: How do you think the 2024 election will go?
PUTIN: We are just observing. It’s our responsibility to be vigilant since it will impact the world. We are hoping the election is carried out in a way where the results can be believed. IN RUSSIA WE DO NOT HAVE MAIL IN BALLOTS.
– everybody, everywhere, is onto postal voting
It’s innarestin news that the Orcadians may shortly be getting a new wind farm to look at on clear days.
The provision of wind generation capacity has been outstripping the provision of the ability to transmit the generated power (or store it) for several years now. I can’t find a date for when that imbalance is likely to be corrected.
Here’s a link:
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/01/30/are-switched-off-wind-turbines-generating-more-cash/
And a wee quote:
“A report by consultancy LCP found that over the last couple of years curtailing wind power added £806 million to customers’ energy bills”
Electricity customers are being hammered twice. First by having to pay for the construction of all this new generation capacity through their standing charges.
Secondly, by having to pay for the operators to switch off the new generation capacity when it can’t be utilised. Again through our standing charges.
I read recently that the generation curtailment sums are forecast to continue to increase for a few years yet, simply because it’s much easier and quicker to build offshore wind farms than it is to build hundreds of miles of transmission lines.
For any poorer customers not yet hammered, the electricity companies continue to extort the standing charge, even when your supply is off, for example, because your prepayment meter has run out of credit. Thus, if you can’t afford to top it up, or perhaps even decide to do without leccy for a few days, when you finally do top up, the backdated standing charges are taken before you can warm your first bowl of soup.
This appalling injustice was supposedly going to be fixed over a year ago. Guess what though?
Maybes it’s on Labours first 100 days priority list.
Breeks/Robert Hughes
I also watched the interview. Fascinating & educational (for me at least) to hear how they came to this point. I’d no idea 404 weren’t entitled to that territory.
I knew about all the double crossing stuff, NATO expansion & EU cooperation alliance before through previous press conferences & interviews.
Tucker let himself down, imo – by showing such arrogance & entitlement in asking V when he was going to contact the USA to arrange a talk (After he’d just given 90 minutes at least explaining they don’t want to) & To ask if he could take a spy charged with espionage home with him.
Tucker also wanted to move on very fast from the Nazi receiving a standing ovation in Canada. I agree with him on mixing with the wrong ppl changes attitudes. The old adage of sleep with dogs & you’ll catch fleas springs to mind. Every country has laws about Nazis except 404.
& BoJo FFS. Where to even start with that fcking car crash. Increasing tension & extending the fighting in defiance of deal ready to be signed. He’s prolonged the war just as he prolonged Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe prison sentence. What an eejit. He must be related to Genocide John & should stick to painting cardboard buses in a padded room somewhere. What a loose cannon he is.
Great interview tho & definitely one I’d watch a 2nd time.
Alf Baird.
The Colonial unionist pick, chose and Select the history they require from ancient history to apply as ” relevant” history to to prove their was a union between the two kingdoms of Scotland and England.
And de-select the rest of historical records between the two Countries as ancient guff that no longer applies because it is so old and in the past.
This is a case of trying to have your cake and eat it for unionists.
Recently having a conversation on here with a wings commentator it appears only selected information is allowed to penetrate their their limited intellect due to it not coming out roses for the other side down south politically.
This is the ancient Colonist mindset that Scotland and its people have to deal with in 2024. It is not a case for arguing with modern sanity, or to reason the historical records,
But the de- selection of history.
This group of modern mindset start history from todays date, anything else that comes under past history apparently does not count and is ancient guff, except the bits they want to keep that is of aid to their restricted point of view.
It is nigh impossible to help them mentally to include all historical records and recorded commentary if they twist history to suit their limited intelligence.
That is why Scotland is still having to deal with Westminsters Colonialism over Scotland today,
The years have moved on, but not the Colonial attitude,
Alf 11:32
Well said.
Sturgeon claimed she suffered from impostor syndrome. Nah, she was the real deal.
As for
‘lack of courage at the decisive moment’
She’d at least five of those opportunities & missed every single one. I mistakenly put it down to her being too nice & agreeable at the time – but nah, she was a Britnat deliberately putting the brakes on indy & stringing out her tenure for as long as she could.
I read on twitter the other day that SNP is predicted to win 40 seats..good gawd!
Selective history and selective propaganda to to make that selective history work for colonialism is as rampant today as it was 300 years ago,
Only the years on the Calendar move on, the propaganda rhetoric is still repeating like a struck record, and the ancient Crusades never ended.
Regards colonial attitude..
They defend the Union so much but when you ask them to actually name what’s so great about it they tuck tail & run.
I haven’t met one yet who can answer.
It’s the exact same over the Royals. What benefit are they to them personally? Again, can’t answer or say something about tourists LOL. Edinburgh castle still attracts those & there’s no royal resident inside.
They just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Take Genocide John up there moaning about the injustice over Scotlands energy. At least 2 yrs late with his news & energy is a reserved matter to his beloved country next door. MacAskill has been banging away in Westminster all this time over standing charges & injustice. He should tune in sometime – wait until he finds out foreigners are involved.
Britain and Britains old colonial Countries are still fighting the old Crusade against the eastern Countries as if yesteryears Crusades were todays.
Britain and its Colonies have not moved forward to present day mentally.
They still create the propaganda to justify their actions for the old crusade wars against the eastern countries to work and to excuse themselves as being the righteous ones through more than thousand years of history.
As in all self righteous wars it is the ordinary families on both side of the battle that die, while the generals and politicians sit back behind the lines in a save space.
BJ is a good example of this, as was Tony Blair and George Bush, and members of the EU today,
We all can see part of the puzzle. (Excepting Genocide John obs.)
https://corbettreport.com/flashback-fake-news-story-of-the-year-2022/
It is inevitable that Scotland will have to ( SUSPEND ) the Treaty of Union whilst Scotlands peoples Convention investigates the breaches and Colonialism that the Westminster parliament in England has implemented and Colonised over the years.
@ Alf Baird says: 9 February, 2024 at 11:32 am
I don’t think you’ve answered my question, Alf.
I don’t think Scotland is either “de facto” independent or “de jure” independent.
I’m guessing the history books will record a majority vote for so-called Indy politicians, frustrated because the so-called Indy politicians they voted in lacked all competence to deliver on the Indy promise.
That’s not looking like propaganda to me, of any stamp. I reckon that’s the simple facts of the matter.
Here we are in an election year. All these so-called pro-Indy politicians are still in place, and entirely free to kick-start Indy yet again by standing on a plebiscitary re-election platform.
Tumbleweed so far though. My take is that all the years in office have still not allowed them to build or discover the competence they would need.
So they won’t even try.
Ukraine has not always been part of Russia as claimed by V lad.
Over the course of centuries, the area that is today Ukraine has been alternatingly swallowed up, controlled, or taken over by the Mongol Empire, later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Russian Empire, while Crimea was at one point a client state of the Ottoman Empire. Between the World Wars, portions of western Ukraine were ruled by Poland, Romania, and Czechoslovakia.
War crimes against humanity, and the Nuremberg trials should be reinforced.
I thought the Tucker interview was a bit of a disappointment. They’re calling him all sorts and have apparently put him on some “hit list” for doing it, but it would have been much more damaging to their neo-nazi bio-weapons lab cause if he had interviewed Biden.
Biden and those pulling his strings caused the war, that’s the real enemy, so we should be interviewing and holding those people to account.
For the benefit of knuckle-draggers amongst us, I’m saying we are the bad guys here. I think we all know that. The West has been hijcked by maniacs. We used to say they had a disregard for human life, but not now; the oligarchs running the west and the propaganda wing we call the MSM seem to enjoy the “collateral damage”.
I don’t trust any aspect of our establishment today. Even the so-called health service seems to be involved in a conspiracy to kill us.
We used to complain about potholes. What happened?
Is all this warmongering not ‘fuckin’ playground shit’ of the mostly deadly kind? People get killed, maimed, driven insane, raped, imprisoned, their homes destroyed, they become refugees and all the rest. Shit! Me calling someone a cunt is small potatoes compared to all of that.
These ‘children’ unfortunately cannot be pacified with a bag of Jelly Tots, some juice from a sippy cup or being told if they don’t behave they will be sent away to their room forever. You have been warned children.
I haven’t a clue if what Putin is saying is propaganda or not propaganda. I don’t speak Russian so being able to get a sense if what he’s saying is genuine or not is missing.
What I do know that even if he claims to be a Christian he has sent his army to kill people. I guess like Humza he chooses the ‘pick n mix option’ of his religion.
Same applies to the children on the other side of the ‘playground shit’. The only thing is when I listen to Boris Johnson unlike with Putin I can tell he’s an idiot. Likewise Humza, Biden and all the rest of the children.
That’s all I have to say on the ‘International Fuckin’ Playground Shit’ as for the FPS here on Wings I’m off to do some colouring in, eat my Jelly Tots and do a nice big poo in my new potty. Then I will stick it on my head and play with the squiggy stuff. I do this a lot that is why I am such a good potter.
You’ll be spared any ‘fuckin’ playground shit’ for the rest of the morning!
Oh My Love!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-MxKd1WY2k
Bloody hell! Caught again!
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9 February, 2024 at 2:14 pm
Is all this warmongering not ‘fuckin’ playground shit’ of the mostly deadly kind? People get killed, maimed, driven insane, raped, imprisoned, their homes destroyed, they become refugees and all the rest. Shit! Me calling someone a cunt is small potatoes compared to all of that.
These ‘children’ unfortunately cannot be pacified with a bag of Jelly Tots, some juice from a sippy cup or being told if they don’t behave they will be sent away to their room forever. You have been warned children.
I haven’t a clue if what Pu********tin is saying is propaganda or not propaganda. I don’t speak Russian so being able to get a sense if what he’s saying is genuine or not is missing.
What I do know that even if he claims to be a Christian he has sent his army to kill people. I guess like Humza he chooses the ‘pick n mix option’ of his religion.
Same applies to the children on the other side of the ‘playground shit’. The only thing is when I listen to Boris Johnson unlike with Pu******tin I can tell he’s an idiot. Likewise Humza, Biden and all the rest of the children.
That’s all I have to say on the ‘International Fuckin’ Playground Shit’ as for the FPS here on Wings I’m off to do some colouring in, eat my Jelly Tots and do a nice big poo in my new potty. Then I will stick it on my head and play with the squiggy stuff. I do this a lot that is why I am such a good potter.
You’ll be spared any ‘fuckin’ playground shit’ for the rest of the morning I’m busy with the shit!
Oh My Love!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-MxKd1WY2k
Genocide John
That’s because once Sturgeon took over she closed down all working groups, policy advisors, conference debates..& it was the Sturgeon show. & ONLY the Sturgeon show.
Which bit are you struggling with? We know there has been absolutely nothing done. Welcome to the fckin conversation lol yer at least eight years too late. We’ve noticed this since 2017. Why do you think she lost 21 seats & a vibrant membership who she also closed down from participating in party democracy & policy. She also trashed the party by removing talent & replacing it with fckwits.
Do you think you are informing this sites owner, or wingers, some new revelation? LMAO!
Get with the program eh or go back to yer dominos ..
Biden has forgotten he started it & who V is LOL
I think the interview did what it set out to do – set the record straight, straight from the horse’s mouth. He was asked about propaganda & he was absolutely right – what would be the point they’d only ignore it & write something else because they own all the media.
I think there’ll be a lot of yanks asking why they’re blowing trillions on a foreign policy in its quest to dominate & rule the world . For whose benefit? No one is threatening them. They need to stop wasting their money on war.
Suspending the Treaty of Union while investigating any breaches that may have taken place is the way forward for Scotland.
The burgh’s.
The poll tax,
The dissolution of the Scottish parliament and therefore all its members and constituents.
The continuence of Englands old parliament in the House of Lords, unelected into the British parliament,
The Westminster parliament creating the Anglo- Irish treaty in 1800.
The Westminster parliament creating The Anglo- American trade deal.
The Bank of England Corporation never becoming the Bank of Great Britain. And how that effects the national debt of Britain.
The Scots acknowledged as not being in the treaty of union by Westminster in 2024.
Pre-union Scots laws being deleted.
Colonial Stocks in Scotland.
The Scots “Claim of right”; not being included in the British modern Constitution as is the English Bill of Rights.that were both set out in the treaty.
And the breaches of only “One Parliament of Great – Britain hereafter” with there now being four, Scotland, Ireland, Wales and England.
And the Colonisation by Westminster parliament in England of the named union of two Kingdoms being under the treaty of union.
Just a few on the list that would warrant Scotlands temporary and legal suspension of the treaty of union and its articles whilst under investigation of Breaches of that treaty of union,
I am sure the rest of you can add to this list of breaches to the treaty of union by Westminster parliament that I have missed.
when the books are written about this awful period in our history, we will discover some very uncomfortable and dark events perpitrated by those in the ‘Scottish’ establishment.
I did not think it was great interview by Tucker Carlson. I think the immense pressure he has come under since it became public knowledge he was doing the interview took a toll on his tone and line of questioning.
He got off to a bad start as well by misquoting Vl@dP. Did not seem very well prepared either, bizarrely thinking he was ‘filibustering’. Not sure he picked up on the humour when Vl@dP was teasing him about not getting his desired job in the CIA.
Overall it was still miles better than a slimeball like Christiane Amanpour (or whatever her name is) or any of those other CNN turds but I honestly think I could have done a better job. Bit of a missed opportunity.
Geri,
They need to stop wasting our tax payers money on ancient war Crusades here in Britain too.
That JSC list of supporters is opaque.
* The Sir Victor Blank Charitable Trust; very wealthy, Director of RBS 1985 – 1993, appointed Chair of Lloyd’s TSB 2006, heavily criticised for role in 2008 credit crisis, faced calls to be stripped of Knighthood as per Fred Goodwin, noted philanthropist & Zionist, usually associated with Tories, Tony Blair & Gordon Brown.
* The Marshall Family; probably reference to one of most wealthy families in US, Forbes rated at $18.5b in 2020, associated with Koch Industries.
* Tom McGuffog, Prof. at University of Glasgow, private individual, unlikely to be significant financial benefactor.
* David Nicholson; unclear who this refers to.
* William C Phillips; unclear who this refers to.
* The Robertson Trust; legit philanthropic concern, founded 1961, origin in whisky industry (Edrington).
* The Ryvoan Trust; small, legit philanthropic concern based in Edinburgh.
* The Scottish Government; no comment required.
* The Sneader Family; reference to Kevin Sneader, brought up in Glasgow & educated at UoG, high up in Goldman Sachs.
* Charlotte Street Partners; no comment required.
* Message House; Market Research company based in Hertfordshire.
In short I think Tucker bottled it. But I can see why… some people were seriously trying to line him up as a t.r.a.i.t.o.r for doing this and I did think about Jane Fonda’s trip to Vietnam and how the US media could go after him…
So I think he was very worried about seeming too ‘sympathetic’ and that in turn really stunted his questioning.
For example he did not seem to listen to the answers to his initial questions and build them into his latter questions. It could be that Carlson was just out of depth here… and that is no shame either.
@ Rev Stu
Can I ask why you have over recent months stated that there is nothing / not much going on with regard to Scottish politics?
I ask because the notion being floated that there isn’t much if anything going on is wrong and will promote political disengagement and a lack of scrutiny of events.
Surely the perceived silence should actually be a trigger sounding big alarm bells, because it seems a lot is going on under the radar which one might expect politicians and political commenters to be more vocal about.
EG:
https://commonweal.scot/the-scottish-national-investment-bank-desperately-need-reform/
Lothianlad.
Indeed we will.
I remember Alex Salmond discussing the many breaches of the treaty of union with my Spouse and I years ago
In fact it was he, that mentioned along with many other sets of circumstances, the elimination of the Burgh’s of Scotland that breached the treaty of union to us, which we were unaware of until then.
One wonders how hard it actually is to enable Scotland to immediately become independent when Scottish politicians we think are on our side sit on their hands hiding information and knowledge from the Scots that is relevant to them in persuit of independence,
It is difficult to define who the Scottish establishment is.
Why take the long route to Scottish independence when you have all the information you require to make that happen from Westminster library itself which you had access while you were first minister.
For that is when and where he said he had obtained these many pieces of valuable information.
I agree with you we will one day uncover some dark and uncomfortable perpertations against us by the Scottish establishment..
NS and the SNP are obvious to us now, with their Labour and Green agenda policies, but what about those others still loitering behind the cover of the other infiltrated Scottish independence parties in the Scottish establishment.
Trust a politician, no thanks.
Trust the people, that garners a bigger vote from myself.
“I think the immense pressure he has come under since it became public knowledge he was doing the interview took a toll on his tone and line of questioning.”
Mac.
Carlson has come under attack from many in the USA for doing the interview, yet not one US MSM outlet has come under attack for constantly giving a platform to Netanyahu who is currently heading up the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Here’s a good example of the madness that’s infected the USA over Carlson and that interview.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/02/08/scott-ritter-tucker-madness-is-good-for-america/
There’s some talk on the Carlson interview in here, for fairness and to let folk make their own minds up what they think of it, here it is.
https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/
Mac @ 3:23 pm
“Carlson was just out of depth here… and that is no shame either.
Yes, it was quickly apparent that he was interviewing someone here who is clearly an intellectual with an extremely high level of knowledge and insight about his subject.
This was totally unlike interviewing a typical western political puppet or machine/career politician. Politicians in the west are not intellectuals. That is why we could never imagine such high quality discourse with the likes of Biden, Obama, Clinton, Johnson or Sunak, or even Blair, never mind Sturgeon or Yousaf.
Western political discourse of our political ‘actors’ quickly reverts to soundbites and tedious, mostly meaningless narrative, principally because that’s all our politicians know. Their knowledge is limited and they are not intellectuals: they are ‘charlatans and tricksters, dealers in gobbledygook’.
I thought it funny at the beginning when VP asked Carlson if he wanted the short type interview or the full story type interview. I think Carlson thought it was lightweight banter / small talk, – do you want a proper discussion or just a few sound bites? VP was actually asking the question quite literally.
Carlson said he wanted the proper interview, (of course he did), so suddenly he was transported to 12th Century Ruskia for half hour long crash course in Ruskian history.
I actually smiled… Ruskian “deep” culture meets American superficial culture, right there in a nutshell. Quite poetic really.
Alf @4.06pm.
Alf good points, I’d say that Alex Salmond has a very good working knowledge of our ain history, and he often reveals snippets of it when giving interviews.
The rest as you say are nothing more than machine politicians who are programmed to give measured responses.
In the past Uke Rain as a country has either been swallowed,controlled or taken over by the Mongol Empire, later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Russ1an Empire, while Crimea was at one point a client state of the Ottoman Empire. Between the World W4rs, portions of western Uke Rain were ruled by Poland, Romania, and Czechoslovakia.
UKe Rain as a state did not exist until about 1918. Before that, despite the changes within its territory and who controlled it, people spoke the Uke Rain language, the language that binds people then and now.
Uke rain is a very corrupt country, one of the most corrupt. Some of that stems from a legacy of corruption within the USSR. For although Uke rain is corrupt, only two are more corrupt – Russ1a and Afghanistan.
Seems that our ex SNP House of Commons leader Iain Blackford has dumped his wife and that his wife of 24 years is distraught.
Seems however that this is not the only thing that Mr Blackford has dumped.
In an article in the Daily Mail about how Blackford dumped his wife, and how he had set up a secret live nest the paper also revealed that a friend had revealed how Mr Blackford is now property hunting in London in case he gets into the Lords and is also looking for a new home in Glasgow that he and his girlfriend can use as a base if he is nominated by the SNP to stand at the next Holyrood election.
Now whilst there are many who would play away from home and later dump the wife, the reports of the humble crofter planning to buy a home in London should he get elected to the Lords whilst also planning to buy a love nest in Glasgow to base himself and his lover should he secure a nomination to stand for Hollyrood shows exactly the utter lack of principles that attach to Iain Blackford.
They guy is an out and out two timing trougher and crypto unionist he is.
James Che 2:55
I don’t think they can. They’ve an arrogance, an imperialist mindset & a need to dominate others. It must be in their genes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68255302
This is the BBC headline
“Tucker Carlson interview: Fact-checking Put !n’s ‘nonsense’ history”
It does not matter much to me what version of history Russ1a claims. Invading a country that claimed its independence, targeting the civilian population, committing t0rture and w4r crimes is not justifiable on any grounds.
Willie @ 16.48
I’m sure that it was only in 2021 that the self confessed “humble crofter” bought a luxury home in Glasgow’s west end for a reported £420,000. Indeed one of the Blackford’s top of the range two Range Rovers has been viewed in the local Anniesland Cross area.
This is the East Renfrewshire Tory MSP that the BBC in Scotland news programme rolls out every time they want a Scottish NHS bad story on air.
Should Mr Gulhane go the same way that iPad man went and resign/stand down? I say yes.
“A wealthy Tory MSP billed the taxpayer nearly £3,000 for “vanity” photographs during a cost of living crisis.
Sandesh Gulhane got the public to foot the bill for pictures of him walking about Glasgow – but the glossy snaps are no longer available online.”
https://archive.is/QwL02
It’s that time of the year.
The 7th Dino awards.
https://rumble.com/v4bljnl-the-7th-annual-fake-news-awards.html
Sam
Can always trust the BBC to completely ignore that their independence came with agreements. Agreements they proceeded to break at the behest of the USA.
@ Willie
Re. Blackford Quelle surprise… Not really…
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/
@sam 5:23
Well done for telling it like it is.
It’s coming up for 2 years since I first noticed that there’s a hardline cadre of so-called Indy supporters whose attitude stinks.
I say “so-called” because they’ve been cheering on the crushing of 404 Indy since the day after the Russti tanks rolled across the border.
The best explanation you’ll ever get from them is that 404 lacks the ideological purity to be allowed to survive. Indy for me, but not for thee is their mantra, and I’m not believing that is getting much traction with the majority of decent, thinking Scots.
@ Willie 4.48pm It would be nice if the humble crofter got taken to the cleaners by his new bidey in, as was seen in one of the House Of Scum videos it appears blahford likes to touch women and seriously invade their space, I cannot remember who the female was but if I were her I would have pushed the FAT FUCKER away and told him vociferously to keep his slimey sweaty hands to himself and to get a mouthwash as his breath was putrid and making her BOAK
@RoS 3:41
Doesn’t matter how many times you deploy the ‘G’ word, RoS, you’re not going to be able to make it into a genocide.
Unless you go there and kill a few hundred thousand yourself.
Don’t lose any sleep, RoS, the ICJ is watching and they’ll let us all know if genocide breaks out anywhere.
In other news, Israel reckons they’ve exterminated 18 of the 24 Hamas brigades. So maybes not too long to go now. Of course, things would speed up considerably if the remaining brigades were to come out with their hands up.
And not one more innocent Palestinian would lose their life.
Makes you think, eh RoS?
Genocide John, supporting Sam, quoting the BBC.
Brilliant stuff guys.
Any facts?
@ ROS 5.40pm I would hate to live in East Renfrewshire, imagine only having narcissist Gulhane , thick as shit Oswald or the fat fucker blimp Blair mcdougall as a choice to vote for, Residents of East Renfrewshire VOTE #EndTheUnion instead of these TROUGHING CLOWNS
@ John Main
Cough, 2013 Euromaiden
But how would Ucrane survive if it was just going to hand all its sovereignty and control away to join that pesky EU you ain’t so fond of.
People have been shooting, bombing, and hacking each other to bits in the region for years, yet only recently you have come to be so concerned with the plight of those that live there.
You’re so Johnny come lately…
@Alf Baird 4:06
Do you struggle to reconcile your admiration for Pres Poot the educated intellectual with your belief that Scottish Indy must come from the indigenous lower classes?
You do frequently assert that our own middle and upper classes are colonised and anglified, although they are the ones with the bulk of the education.
Certainly the ones with the bulk of the intellectual pretensions.
Did Tucker ask PP why his political opponents are mostly either dead, imprisoned, or exiled? I would defo like to see that question asked and answered.
There was a very courageous lady who attempted to get on the ballot for this year’s presidential election. She was disqualified on dozens of pretexts, and she now understands that was a merciful act and a final warning. If she tries again, the Russti state won’t hold back next time.
I would like to see Tucker ask about that.
John Main @6.08pm
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah blah blah.
If that’s the case and we know it isn’t, then why is Mossad doing this.
“South Africa’s?? Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor says her family is being threatened by Israeli agents because of South Africa’s support for Palestinians in Gaza at the ICJ:
“I felt that [it would] be better if we had extra security. But what I’m more concerned about is my family, because in some of the social media messages my children are mentioned and so on, but this is par for the course. The Israeli agents, the intelligence services, [this] is how they behave, and they seek to intimidate you, so we must not be intimidated.”
“We can’t stand back now. We must be with them. And I think one of the things we must not allow is a failure of courage. It’s extremely important that we continue with this. We talked to the South African people; they understand why it is we have taken up this moral course.”
“We mustn’t pause. We shouldn’t become afraid. With the support of the people of Cape Town and broadly of South Africa, I believe we will have the strength to carry through this very important task.””
Meanwhile Eden Golan will be the Zionists entry at the Eurovision Song Contest this year, it would appear that the committing of genocide shouldn’t be a barrier to Israel (not a European nation anyway) for having an entry this year.
In a historical Eurovision note.
A reminder that the organisers stripped 5 states of their votes in 2022 to rig a win for that Eastern European nation and 2nd place for UK by substituting votes.
Glasgow University seems to specialise in creating these ‘pretendy ‘professors’ of nothing’. Unionists, of course. It seems to be some kind of Britnat reward.
Pretendy Professor Dugdale, a talentless academic novelty. No more, no less.
So the English staging post in Edinburgh Queen Elizabeth House will get a new House Jock soon, after he’s ennobled, Scots will put up with whatever shit Westminster and its branch office parties in Scotland throw at them.
The Tory/Lib/Dem/Labour political parties at Holyrood ARE NOT SCOTTISH.
“A Scottish Tory MSP will leave Holyrood and join the House of Lords to become a junior Scotland Office minister.
The UK Government announced that Donald Cameron has been given a life peerage on Friday evening.
He will stand down as Conservative MSP for the Highlands and Islands.
There will not be a by-election as Cameron was a list MSP. It is possible he will be replaced by Tim Eagle, who was next on the Conservative Party list for the Highlands and Islands.”
Both sides failed to keep the Minsk Accord.
“At the time of signing of the Minsk Protocol, for the first time, the approximately 420-kilometer line of contact was established, dividing Donbas into territory controlled by the government in Kyiv and territory occupied by separatists. Its course was fluid. The line was drawn based on the distribution of positions held by the forces of the conflicting parties. Eventually, it moved deeper into Ukrainian territory. This is an example of how a written provision can be easily decimated simply by one party taking possession of more territory.”
https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements
Genocide is genocide irrespective of the pace of it.
Killing people based on their race, ethnicity, religion but doing it incrementally hoping no one will notice is still genocide.
And all the scum on here supporting it can go fuck themselves.
But what we are seeing here is not even incremental anymore, it is naked unvarnished genocide.
@Father Vivian O’Blivion 3.03pm. You are doing Gods work 😉
@Johnim
Facts? Try these? Long read.I share your doubts about the BBC generally.
https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements
Just in case you are inclined to distrust research done in the USA here is some bio on the author.
Lidia Powirska is a lecturer at Jagiellonian University and an employee of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs (on leave). She is a member of the Security Sector Reform Advisory Network to the UN and a former member of the UN and OSCE missions in Ukraine, East Timor, and Kosovo. She was part of a team that actively monitored ceasefire violations at the line of contact in Ukraine/Donbas. She has published articles on subjects such as United Nations Peacekeeping, EU’s Common Foreign and Security Policy, and the Balkans. She was a 2019–2020 Weatherhead Scholars Program Fellow at the Weatherhead Center for International Affairs.
@Dan 6:21
Moan Dan, you can do better than that.
After a decade or so of grabbing an oblast here, Crimea there, Pres Poot became emboldened and decided to seize the lot. Then follow on with a few Baltic Republics here, a Russti speaking enclave there.
Just accept that a red line was crossed coming up for two years ago. Every territorial seizure was followed by protestations there would be no more. Now, nobody outside a few eejits and plants is buying that.
While we’re talking, a friendly word in your shell-like. Your new icon sucks. An obvious Scot, running away, is not an image to promote (and it’s an obvious Scot cos of the kilt, so don’t get excited).
As for being a “Johnny come lately”, that’s a badge I wear with pride. Ask any of the ladies of your acquaintance if you don’t understand why.
1. Thanks for link
2. Very interesting question. I’m looking forward to seeing that one answered.
Have you detransitioned? What’s your moniker telling us now?
@RoS 6:37
As you say, yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah.
Still not genocide though.
Loving the claim that the rulers of SA talk to the people. If they did, the people would be asking how they are still living in corrugated iron shantytowns, whilst the rulers can’t find enough offshore investment opportunities to launder their cash.
Strong rumours going around too that Pres Poot bunged some more dosh their way to waste everybody’s time at the ICJ. Man, he must be raging that that one backfired.
But not with you, eh RoS? You’re the exception.
Anyhoo, enjoying this exchange of views. See if you can’t shoehorn in “apartheid”, “regime” and “Satan” into your next post.
It’s the weekend, let your hair down.
@Sam
Absolutely, question what Rus says when we are permitted to hear it.
Likewise the BBC and Harvard University.
“ targeting the civilian population, committing t0rture and w4r crimes” . Any proof?
Fighting all seems to be on DPR and LPR territory, by DPR and LHR citizens from 2014 till 2022.
Merkel admitted Minsk agreements were a ploy.
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/12/13/merkels-confession-could-be-a-pretext-for-an-international-tribunal/
@Mac 7:05
Wrong. Soz.
Genocide, like most (all) words, has a precise meaning.
You don’t get to redefine it, simply because if you do, it will become devalued to the point of uselessness.
@ John Main
Re. Gravatar image
Another cheap shot but fyi I thought it had a bit of a Restless Native vibe going.
I was up in Glencoe on my motorbike last year and took pics with a view of similar hills in Glen Etive. Pics can be seen over in OT should you want to take a swatch and remind yourself of what the land of bonnie Scotland is. A wee bit of time away from posting on t’internet quite so much about stuff we can do heehaw aboot might be good for what’s left of your soul. 😉
Guessing you must have missed the “Scottish” Police treatment of pro-indy Scots such as Craig Murray, Alex Salmond, Mark Hirst, Manny Singh, and Marion Millar.
Notice how the Scottish popo recently installed a yoon at the top, and even before that they ain’t exactly been so interested in chasing down pro-unionist folks that have erred as numerous individuals still having their liberty, and there’s also plenty of ongoing protracted investigations too.
So on that basis I think the avatar is rather suitable, but I can fully understand how your view on that would differ.
More nudge! nudge! wink! wink!
That and folk posting about Blackford’s love life is nearly putting me off my Friday night G&T
Dan’s moniker is a monkey escaping from the police. Were you not the one who was very interested in escaping monkeys.
John Main @ 6:28 pm
“Do you struggle to reconcile your admiration for Pres Poot the educated intellectual with your belief that Scottish Indy must come from the indigenous lower classes?”
We still need intellectuals to help inform the people of their ‘condition’ and to guide them towards the only ‘remedy’. Given that the MSM and institutions such as universities are all bought and parrot only the message of the colonizer, this leaves it to the ‘radicals to hand out leaflets on street corners’. The modern version of the latter is the pro-indy bloggers, they are the pro-independence intellectuals. The politicians are generally not intellectuals, with a few exceptions.
As you say, it may well be true that: “our own middle and upper classes are colonised and anglified, although they are the ones with the bulk of the education”. However, postcolonial theory tells us that although “the petty bourgeois has read everything, devoured everything…his brain functions after the fashion of certain elementary types of digestive systems. It filters. And the filter lets through only what can nourish the thick skin of the bourgeois’s clear conscience” (Cesaire).
Which goes some way to explain the more privileged and educated middle class ‘No’ voter.
https://archive.is/DpKlH
Very witty.
I like the one in the hot tub. I think I’ll ditch me G&T and have whatever Honshu is having.
Looks like a Cointreu with Ice & an Orange Slice. Yes!
I’ll skip whatever he’s got floating on white plates. Looks like cold potatoes or slices of frozen baguette.
Will the Humble crofter get insurance for his Range Rovers? 90 in one month were stolen,and insurance companies are refusing to insure them. Perhaps he can use the same company that Humza had when transport minister? / Available from Novak n Goode insurance brokers.
@Dan 7:41
Good post.
I have this memory, and I think it comes from reading Prebble’s book on Culloden. I need to re-read it to confirm.
But I think he recorded that after the clansmen suicidally charged the cannon, the survivors ran backwards to the Jacobite lines, because to turn your back on the enemy was a cowardly disgrace.
Indeed, when the body of a slain Scottish warrior was returned to his family for burial, there would be only one question asked: were his mortal wounds on his front, or on his back?
When he died, was he attacking, or running away?
Thank Gowd these kind of Scots are all extinct, eh? If any still lived, they would be signing up to push the Orcs out of 404, and spitting with contempt at the subterranean bunker dwellers who place their own women and bairns between them and the enemy.
@Alf Baird
It’s Friday night and I’ve been hitting the red wine, so I’m afraid your “nourishing the thick skin of the bourgeois’s clear conscience” just triggered a fit of the giggles.
I may be able to give it more sober consideration tomorrow.
When I read Vivian O’Blivion’s post it made me think of ‘Scotland in Union’ and all their rich donors.
Remember their fund raiser with all the very expensive raffle prizes. Maybe that’s where Blackford got his first Range Rover.
They f’d up and all the names & addresses of their donors were made public. Ha! Ha! Ha!
I wonder of any on Vivian’s list also appear on the SIU list.
Are ‘Scotland in Union’ still going?
Genocide John 8:07pm
“I have a memory …”
She shares it with Joe Biden.
@ John Main
But is that not all “ancient guff” you’re now trying to punt.
FFS make and effort will ye and at least try to be a bit more consistent, and at least incorporate a wee bit more wit and less twit in some of your posts.
It’s relentless your efforts to be contrarian and wonder if you keep this effort up elsewhere.
If I knew the Cyrillic alphabet I’d do a search for Wings over Rusha and wouldn’t be in the least surprised to find a poster called Dzhon Mainov giving it laldy btl causing all manner of (not) innarestin chatter, finding fault with everyone (other than Chaski and Endi Ellisovich) and telling them they were wrong and waxing (un)lyrically about issues in Scotland rather than addressing issues in his homeland.
Perhaps Genocide John would care to share his brief on the Genocide commited here in Scotland by the Scottish Government?
Is “democracy” being scrapped right before our eyes? Here in Scotland it definitely has been. In the UK as a whole, there’s absolutely no difference between the two major parties — you’re getting war, austerity, and lies forever.
In the rest of the world it’s much the same story. The charades that replaced direct colonial rule are unravelling everywhere, and they’re basically being replaced with gangster governments — if anyone gets in the way, it’s jail or “disappeared”. They don’t even pretend they are promoting “democracy” these days when they bomb people. Why bother when everyone knows how the charade works, just as we do here in Scotland.
It looks like the system we call “democracy” was a sort of experiment for the rich and powerful, that they went along with it on the condition that the MSM and other information factories would keep the minds of the masses “right”. I’d say only about a third of society buys into “trusted” news and official narratives these days, mostly elderly people.
The West is now in the same sort of position The Soviet Union was in during The Cold War, with people essentially pretending they believe the official narrative during the day (for the sake of keeping their jobs etc.) and going home to tune into the real news on their computers and devices at night. It’s a culture dominated by propaganda, power, and fear.
It wouldn’t surprise me if we went back to openly direct colonial systems just about everywhere now that “democracy” is failing to serve their essential purpose (fleecing). It looks like it has already started in places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc., where military bases rather than parliaments are “coincidentally” appearing right next to the oil fields.
“They were conquerors, and for that you want only brute force–nothing to boast of, when you have it, since your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others.”
(Conrad, Heart of Darkness)
Heat pump Dan
AKA
Troll feeder Dan.
Dan, FFS,,,if you’re not talking about boilers, you’re feeding the site Trolls.
Don’t feed the Trolls.
Sam @7.04pm.
Sam.
Harvard!
You might have just as well posted a link Langley Virginia, we be reading the same shit. Harvard has been naming and denouncing US-critical internet sites for years.
Some of it funder are well known such as the Rockefeller Foundation and Open Philanthropy.
“YouCrane and the breakaway regions signed the Minsk Agreements to bring an end to the fighting and give constitutional autonomy to the ethnically Rushin Donbass region. The Minsk II agreement was backed by the U.N. Security Council, but the U.S. privately agreed with the YouCrane government that it was okay to ignore it.”
Johnlm 7:35
“Merkel admitted Minsk agreements were a ploy.”
Aye. A bit like BoJo & Brexshit..*sign anything – we’ll change it later*
Ruby
The woman Blackford was pawing was Tory Penny Mordaunt – the ultra English nationalist. Apparently they are good friends. Fck knows what a nasty whiney wee separatist has in common with an English nationalist tory is anyone’s guess….oh, wait.
John Main.
“Plausible
seeming likely to be true, or able to be believed:”
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/plausible
The Zionists are committing genocide by breaking Articles of the Genocide Convention.
“Definition of genocide
Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as:
… any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
—?Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2”
Hatuey
The Tories have been moving towards F*scism for years, in plain sight of everyone who doesn’t bother their arse & seems perfectly happy about it. The more force the better as we see from our resident warmonger.
Torys have changed electoral boundaries, introduced sweeping new police laws, changed who can vote in elections, broken international laws, interfered in parliamentary rules, interfered in HoL, Cash for access, interfered in electoral commission, interfered in the courts, removed workers rights, their right to protest..on & on it goes. Absolutely horrifying yet Muppets & MSM are more interested in what’s happening in a diddly wee administration. The perfect distraction.
All with the aim of a perpetual Tory government in office forever & who will rule with brute force.
I’ve warned for years on twitter that Sturgeon was sleepwalking us into perpetual Tory rule & a d*ctatorship. Knowing what I know now about that t*eacherous barsteward it was probably her plan all along.
I’ve just read Dan’s link. What c*nt she is.
“Is “democracy” being scrapped right before our eyes?”
Hatuey.
Worth a read.
“A government led by a prime minister who hasn’t been elected in a popular vote backs Israel’s brutal war, complete with mass killings and war crimes, with military and diplomatic support.
He does so with the support of the country’s main opposition party, in the face of public calls for a ceasefire.
His government explicitly rejects a legal ruling by the World Court to the effect that Israel is plausibly promoting genocide.
Ministers do not face, and will never face, investigation for their complicity in those crimes or even any political sanction. The foreign secretary, Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton, is not even elected.
All the while, the media buries key features of UK backing for Israel – such as secret spy flights and facilitation of arms shipments to the Israeli war machine.
Does this look like a democracy?
Well, no it isn’t – it’s Britain.”
“British foreign policy-making is so centralised that it is akin to an authoritarian regime. A prime minister can send troops to war or bomb another country without even consulting parliament, as the UK has recently been doing in Yemen.
Not that it would have mattered – since the main “opposition” party in England supports UK lawlessness as much as the ruling one.
In 1976, Lord Hailsham famously termed the UK an “elective dictatorship” because parliament is easily dominated by the government of the day and faces few constraints on its power.
This was before prime minister Margaret Thatcher centralised decision-making still further in the 1980s, regularly bypassing the cabinet and relying on a small set of advisers. Because she could.
This was continued by Tony Blair, leading to the disastrous invasion of Iraq, among other things. Basically, the prime minister – and one elected only by his own Tory MPs, in Sunak’s case – and a few of his mates can get away with murder, and it’s all deemed perfectly acceptable.”
https://www.declassifieduk.org/gaza-shows-britain-is-an-oligarchy-lets-stop-pretending-it-isnt/
Has Genocide John actually watched the interview or is he just reading the laughable BBC, (interpretation for our dumb audience to swallow as gospel)
He’s on a wind up about the interpretation of a genocide. Bombing civilians & publicly declaring they intend to wipe every last on of them out while the also film themselves celebrating how many children they have killed today is clear of their intentions. Why do yoons always twist language?
& There was John, just a few months ago during poppy fakery month, pretending to greet over a 2 year old being kidnapped.
It’s amazing in life the amount of jobs that are well paid, and essentially produce nothing.
I work for a large American company and the higher up you go the less tangible the output becomes. There are actually jobs where you just show face every so often and get paid.
If an auditor asked these people to send them some evidence of their output. They would have to make it up.
It’s a crazy world folks.
Just swear fielty to the union, add a wee spell in politics and yer set for life. Ruth Davidson says “haud ma beer”.
@Geri and RoS: yep, it’s basically “V for Vendetta” twenty years on.
Hope it won’t soon be “Threads” forty years on.
Best keep stitering Joe Biden away from the button.
Harry says: at 9:45 pm
“Heat pump Dan
AKA
Troll feeder Dan.
Dan, FFS,,,if you’re not talking about boilers, you’re feeding the site Trolls.
Don’t feed the Trolls.”
Says Harry who has posted absolutely fuck all of interest other than his juvenile playground shite at me in his last 4 or 5 posts.
Why don’t you show some respect and do as the site’s owner ask and report trolls then.
Report John, and you may as well include me whilst you’re at it and see where it goes. Be aware that your own antics on here of late might also have you reported though…
https://wingsoverscotland.com/contact/
You cannot be so un-alert that you missed that Stu is well aware of all the recent btl bickering and animosity lately and that he has asked for it to stop.
But he obviously hasn’t banned John Main, the person you accuse of being a troll that you accuse me of feeding.
John is what he is and his input does actually have the potential to stimulate wider discussion points that could be picked up and run with, which is way more than anything you have posted of late.
Did you miss that I took the opportunity to remind folk of Police “Scotland’s” rather unbalanced approach to pro-indy folk compared to how those of a unionist persuasion seem to be treated.
Did you miss the link to Craig Murray’s in depth article with Ian Blackford mentioned in it.
Just two recent examples of links in my posts, and you having nothing to add other than the lame heat pump jibe.
Incidentally that’s another subject which you also would appear to have fuck all of worth to add to so with your silence you’re effectively complicit and happy for taxpayers’ money to be pissed away on a seriously flawed policy, when in these times of austerity that money could be being spent on much more important things.
“As a journalist critical of government policy, I can speak out and my family won’t find my body dumped at the roadside with a bullet in the back of my head.”
Can ye, aye? I think Robin Cook & Dr David Kelly may disagree there.
It’s a slippery soap. That’ll be up next.
& Spoon face dolled up in that cloak, what an insult he’s not even elected but it’s all out in the open now & they don’t care. Genocidal John is only interested in Dumbzas fake elections & he has hee-haw control over foreign policy.
Hatuey
I’m genuinely puzzled about why you said environmentalists are anti-human. Could you provide some explanation? I’d ask GERI if I thought a comprehensible answer would result.
Most support the EU, like you do with its constitutional commitment to capitalism enshrined in the Four Freedoms. I’m not saying they have thought through those principles in economic/moral terms. Most welcome immigration, like you do, but perhaps their support is based more on moral than economic grounds. Many pursue “good” causes. What is the feature that makes them anti-human and “worse than racists”? It’s a terrible accusation.
Less than an hour to the new Chinese New Year, the Year of the Dragon, happy New Year to the Chinese.
I can hear fireworks going off in my home town right now.
Fruitella, immediately we can see that environmentalists have power whereas racist don’t, at least not in any official or formal sense. That makes them potentially extremely dangerous because, whether you admit it or not, the idea that human life is a problem that must be solved by reducing the population is inherent to the logic of the prevailing global warming doctrine. It’s a dangerous road to go down, even if you skip down it blind.
I think pollution and habitat destruction are more realistic goals to be addressed, and if we were to make adjustments to the way free market economics is practiced, by addressing poverty, social and environmental responsibilities, etc., we could realistically see massive progress in a very short period. Yes, all unlikely to happen, easy to criticise, but realistically possible without too much disruption.
Maybe one of these days you will outline your thoughts rather than pick at mine.
economics is practiced, by addressing poverty, social and environmental responsibilities, etc., we could realistically see massive progress in a very
RoS, I will have a look. As you may have gathered, I am somewhat “the converted” on these things.
Everything said there, of course, applies to the US and most other “democracies” too — the whole US constitution when you look at it, the “gridlock” as they call it, was designed from the ground up to keep the masses at bay; they can bomb countries to the stone age without anyone even blinking, but if they so much as think about feeding a starving American they need a two thirds majority in both houses.
In the old days they used to set aside land on the outskirts of towns for the devil; the idea being that if the devil played there, he wouldn’t get in the way of the important stuff. Parliaments serve a similar purpose for the rich and powerful who see ordinary people as devils. If Marx got one thing right, it was probably the class warfare stuff.
Colin Alexander
Ignored
says:
9 February, 2024 at 10:03 am
‘Doing so betrays the principle that Scots retained sovereignty although we lost independence.’
Agreed, Seems logical and right to me. I can make a few guesses as to why from understandable to the deceitful.
Like you I got the explanation email from AS about the re-run of part of the NEC vote. I do not understand what is going on here. Any chance of sending me an email – glenquaich@protonmail.co_ – so I can send you a few questions?
John Main is on a wind up about everything and he’s pretty successful at it.
If the majority of people on here said white then John Main would say black.
Not quite sure why. Could be a way of gaining attention.
He certainly gets at lot of that and that is all that comes from his many posts.
Harry he’s new on the scene. Looks like another wind-up merchant. He’s determined to wind-up Dan and so far he has succeeded.
It’s not east to ignore these wind-ups.
Then there’s Mark Beggan???
Hatuey
Population is pressure on natural systems. A family limiting their number of children is not anti-human. A Sultan monopolising reproduction is not anti-human (not very nice though). Repelling invaders, without undertaking an in-depth study of their motives, is not anti-human.
Bombing people whose resources we need to provision our economic model – now that might well qualify.
So maybe you are saying environmentalists want to cull the population to reduce pressure on resources? I’ve never come across that. It exists only as an attack line from plunderers, the very people with a history of, put frankly, genocide.
Environmentalists seek ways of living within the limits of the natural systems they inhabit – their habitat. That’s it. It’s possible by using more advanced (technologically) methods of producing food, clothing and shelter, making the focus on energy and agriculture, not slaughtering the first-born, and their family, as we are seeing today from the purveyors of peace and democracy and unbelievable profit.
Not sure if you are old enough to remember the term “up against a wall”. Used by baby totalitarian lefties in my youth. They are the population controllers, not to protect environmental systems, far from it, to better exploit them to destruction without annoying resistance from the people who belong there.
“Doing so betrays the principle that Scots retained sovereignty although we lost independence.”
We retained our sovereignty because literally nobody had the authority to take it away from us, nor from England, and we didn’t ‘lose’ independence; both kingdoms formally agreed to give up their own independent self-governance for jointly agreed self-governance for the hoped-for mutual benefit of both within the Union. If the benefit was not to be mutual, then there was literally no point to agreeing the Union in the first place.
The retention of both kingdoms’ sovereignties means that both bodies of their MP representatives wield exactly equal authority within the Union despite the great disparity of their numbers, because neither half actually owns any formal authority over the other half. Scotland’s MPs are under no formal obligation to accept any majority decision made by the MPs of a completely different foreign country, because nothing in the Treaty nor either Act of Union requires it, and no authentic formal authority within the Union exists to enforce it.
England’s establishment had and has no right to subject both bodies of MPs to a simple flat majority vote in the context of the Union, because doing so flatly denies their equality of sovereignty which gave neither side an unfair negotiating advantage, by replacing that equality with a huge inequality in numbers that gives the English side an enormous but unwarranted power advantage over Scotland.
English perfidy has an extremely long history. Time for a reckoning!
@Dan 10:41
Cheers Dan.
I write what I think. Back in my day, Scots could generally handle the opinions of those we disagreed with. Sure, there were sectarian differences that sometimes got taken too far, but by and large, we kept it under control.
Seems to me that on a site populated by posters trumpeting how they want to preserve and protect our national characteristics and cultural norms, a wide spectrum of views on any subject would be celebrated. Not subject to frequent calls to close it down.
As for those keen on reporting posters to the “site monitor” because they’ve just read something they can’t handle, the guid Scots word “clype” sums them up perfectly.
@RoS 10:11
The UK government has authorised targeted strikes on the Hotties because they are interfering with navigation on the seas. It’s nothing like your OTT exaggeration that we’re “bombing Yemen”.
The financial costs of allowing the Suez Canal route to be closed have yet to trickle through to our High Streets. Suffice to say they will be noticeable, and lasting, and for many poor people in our own country, impossible to absorb. Meantime, the people of other countries in the Red Sea area and further afield in the third world will be even harder hit.
I support the UK government action. I would support it if it was being authorised by an independent Scottish government. If iScotland was in the EU, I would be criticising a lame and ineffectual Brussels that was once more staring, like a rabbit in the headlights, at an oncoming train that is going to further erode European living standards, unless dealt with.
Oh, and RoS, when the missiles start flying, every government everywhere has to react immediately. There is never time to “consult”. No government can be held a powerless hostage by people who get their world views from Viz’s Student Grant. Like you, for example.
I find it a bit annoying that all the ‘recent btl bickering and animosity’ is being dismissed as just ‘fuckin playground shit’ there was an underlying reason for it. That reason hasn’t gone away.
I’m pretty sure if you had Harry continually calling you names and attacking your every post you would understand the reasons for the ‘fuckin playground shit’
You have only recently returned to post more regularly and in that short space of time you have had experiences with John Main and now Harry. You’ve also indulged in some ‘fuckin’ playground shit’ yourself ie the badger song.
I think you get it.
I don’t fully know what is meant by a troll but I certainly know what a flame-baiter (wind-up merchant) is. I also know what very serious personal abuse looks like.
The ‘childish’ nonsense that I indulged in was just a way of winding up the abusers/bullies & flame-baiters & also to make folk laugh.
None of it was vicious. It was all just similar to your ‘Badger, Badger, Badger song’ or Roberts ‘Hinge & Bracket’ only much less funny.
There is a reason why you uploaded the Badger song & Robert the Hinge & Bracket post. Was it all just childish nonsense & bickering? Or did you both have a reason for doing so?
I have no regrets about my ‘fuckin playground shit’ I will do it all over again if I can convince Stu to ditch all censorship. He could maybe start with the banned word madness. I wonder how many posted yesterday about Pu****tin and got censored?
You just don’t get it! Either that or you just don’t want to get it.
@fruitella
If the Greens can be said to be environmentalists, then I’m astonished at your claim you’re unaware they want to cull the population.
Just what do you think the trans movement is about? One thing is a dead cert: nobody with their sexual bits sliced off or sliced out is going to be breeding.
TBQH, I always thought that was the whole point. Remove healthy people from the reproductive pool by removing their ability to reproduce. Every little helps!
Haha, population reduction by a thousand cuts!
These two posters Sven & Andy Ellis are referring to this post by David Hannah
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-paper-teapot/comment-page-1/#comment-2822972
I think that is a pretty vicious attack on David just because he made a typo/spelling error.
Rab C. Nesbitt I presume is another word from Andy’s vocabulary for ‘schemie’.
Shame on you Ellis & Sven.
orthographic exactitude FFS
Hatuey
I posted that response a bit hastily. I should have paid more attention to this:
“ if we were to make adjustments to the way free market economics is practiced, by addressing poverty, social and environmental responsibilities, etc., we could realistically see massive progress in a very short period. Yes, all unlikely to happen, easy to criticise, but realistically possible without too much disruption.”
It reads to me like you admit the free market theory can’t be made to eradicate poverty, protect valued social structures and maintain a productive and pleasant biosphere in the real world. I agree with that. Still puzzled why you cling on to it.
My core political belief is that we must gain local control over our food production (minimal imports of essentials) and over the energy needed for heating and necessary transport. That would be phase one independence. I don’t think it is conditional on Scottish independence but it would be easier to organise if we were independent. It would require the support or at least the bought acquiescence of current landowners. I don’t see that as being anything like as big a problem as bringing the “free market” system under control to ensure hitting economic, social and environmental objectives very much at odds with its natural proclivities – i.e. a central planned economy run by a bureaucracy (before the “state withers away”)
“ authorised targeted strikes… because they are interfering with navigation on the seas”
The British government doesn’t have the authority to authorise war of aggression against Yemen. Of course, that means nothing these days (they’ve effectively cancelled international law), just as it meant nothing in the 1960s when Britain’s “dirty war” against Yemen left around 200 thousand dead;
“The number of those who died in Yemen throughout the 1960s was never accurately established, but may have been as many as 200,000.”
http://www.declassifieduk.org/britains-covert-war-in-yemen/
Of course, where there is no law, there nothing can be unjust, even genocide apparently. We hear you.
Who knows, maybe the Chinese will have the means to build a new system of international law some day, just as the allies did after WWII.
John Main
Was wondering when you’d butt in. Perhaps you have never pondered the arithmetic of population reduction by culls (why would you, you’re not being attacked by clowns).
The population of Earth increases by 200,000 a day. There is only one method I’m aware of likely to reach that level of dispatch – machetes. And then only for a brief period. No war casualties we’ve seen come anywhere near. Pandemics neither.
Reducing the birth rate is the only way and reducing the incentives to have more than two kids by curbing poverty and providing decent old age care is the only pro-human way. Plenty coercive measures will be appearing if we don’t get on with these. And it won’t be Greens leading them.
Fruitella, sweetie..
Regards anti human..
“I’d ask GERI if I thought a comprehensible answer would result.”
Try this on.. tho I wouldn’t have thought we’d need to add anything after the complete bollocks that people can change their sex but here’s a few others..
They’re anti population
They’re anti children
They’re anti family
They’re anti women
They’re anti fun
They’re anti common sense
They’re anti fact based evidence
They’re anti justice, law & order
They’re anti social
They’re anti patient
They’re anti the arts
They’re anti freedoms & religion
They’re anti science
In fact, just strip everything a NORMAL human enjoys & that should be comprehensive enough.. they’ve had their wee stint in the spotlight & it hasn’t been of benefit or fun to absolutely anyone.
They want to ban greyhound racing – is that still a thing?
I don’t like racing but I’d have gone for the big one – strap yerself to the canal turn at the national lol…
No problem with docking puppies tails tho. Can’t have the gentry’s dogs suffer in a good hunt..
Hats 12:43
“Authority to authorise”?
Who the feck has authority to authorise? God?
The Suez Canal has been up and running since 1869, Hats. Who authorised the Hotties to disrupt it?
How predictable though. Once again you’re off with your war of aggression against Yemen mince. The majority of Yemenis would love to see extermination of the Hotties – a typical ME jihadist group who ensure they have the money for food, guns and advanced missile systems whilst millions of their women and children starve.
But yet again, you have their backs, eh Hats? What is it specifically excites your admiration? Is it the siphoning off of funds from the local economy for their own use? The killing of gays? Don’t say it’s knowing how to keep the women in their place! You’re a sly old dog, eh?
Sounds like you have the backs of the Covid Spreaders too. Millions dead, hundreds of millions plunged into poverty, trillions of dollars wiped out, and not so much as a “Sollee” from them, but they’re the ones you want shaping the new system of international law.
Careful what you wish for, Hats.
Hatuey @ 12:43 pm
“interfering with navigation on the seas”
So says a UK and USA without any major shipping companies between them. Which means there must be another reason for their warmongering.
Fruitella; “Still puzzled why you cling on to it.”
I don’t but I acknowledge that others do and that it would be impossible to instigate a quantum leap — mankind is basically flying in a jumbo jet and you want to rip out the thing that is keeping us from crashing into the ground (the engine). Do you think the passengers will vote for that? Even if they did, do you think the captain and crew will go for it?
Your localised farming idea, I like it but it is tinkering at best. Nothing that happens in Scotland will make a difference to anyone outside Scotland or to the global situation, not that its likely to be embraced anyway…
It’s a bleak situation, a cruel paradox. For what it’s worth, I like Extinction Rebellion and what they’ve been doing, I think I got slated for saying so on here. Note the response of the general public to the disruption they caused though… and who can blame the general public who want to go about their business of making a living, etc?
fruitella
Who says I’m not being attacked by clowns?
But I digress.
Machetes work, I think the Rwandan genocide proved that. 5 to 8 hundred thousand topped and chopped in 100 days.
A real genocide, not like the alleged genocides which we get these days.
You are right though. Despite the best efforts of substantial numbers of people over the centuries, our numbers just keep increasing. I think the projected population figures predict another couple of billion of us before peak human is reached.
Scots kids alive now should hopefully live to see it. By then though, even today’s underpopulated Scotland may well be close to standing room only.
I’m thinking that anybody looking back from that future to the issues that concern us now will find it all very quaint. And incomprehensible that we ever thought we had any real problems at all.
Thanks Geri
Very useful post. Clear what you think.
Oh come on Alf.
Do the research and find out how much of European trade uses the Suez Canal.
The US is the world’s second biggest trading nation, behind China. Uninterrupted shipping on established routes is in every body’s interest.
Anyhoo, we can put the effort in to maintain the status quo, or pay the costs of kowtowing to every grievance monger with a missile.
I’m guessing you can afford the increased costs associated with unopposed piracy on the high seas and so can I. We’ll be grand.
Silly John Main thinks this is about the Suez Canal now… it’s about 2000 miles away. Maybe they had a little map in The Sun’s “Everything You Need to Know About Britain’s War to Save the World” double-pager.
It’s funny how access to oil, resources, and other things deemed essential to “western” corporations are framed as ‘things we are legitimately allowed to attack people over these days. I’ve studied international law for a few years and can find anything that suggests you can legally bomb sovereign countries when someone interferes with a ship.
Maybe we are being run by a bunch of Leninists. Lenin did some good work on this sort of thing. See “Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism” for more. (No maps included)
Main
Ever wonder where they get their weapons? Prime delivery? Lol
404 are doing a roaring trade at the moment & all the things you describe. Don’t worry, your investment is safe. It’s currently moored in the Med & high end designer gear is getting a good turn in these down times..
Xaracen.
it is difficult to explain to some how a parliament , ” any parliament” under (dissolution) has no members, no political members, cannot represent its constituents and cannot represent Scotland in Westminster Parliament in England since 1707.
As is the case of the old Scottish parliament.
And yet “dissolution of a parliament” is explained quite reasonably in Any political parliamentary sphere and any political media.
Both Houses of the old parliament of England were not fully dissolved to create the political treaty of Union with Scotlands parliament.
The old parliament of England’s lower house, the House of Commons was dissolved and so were its members in 1707, …but re- instated later on,
The upper house, The House of Lords and its members did not come under the same dissolution,
The same “House of Lords members” , entered without elections into the newly re- branded and renamed parliament of England –the Great- Britain parliament,
The whole old parliament of England upper House, the House of Lords was never dissolved and continued to their next elections under the (English parliament Triennial Act) of the required three years to 1708.
Those elections in 1708 did not include any members of the dissolved Scottish parliament which were now non Existent in 1708 as they and there members were under dissolution in Westminster.
The Scots have had no members or representaves of Scotland in Westminster parliament since 1707
Unlike Englands continued House of Lords.
The EU suggested to Westminster parliament that Scotland should also have representatives of Scotland in Westminster.parliament,
Hence the new legislation for the Branch office of Westminster, “The devolved government” to Scotland, blamed at the time as the brain child of labour party.
Scotland if in a political parliamentary union with Englands old parliament ( the only other Country that created the hoax treaty) would not require the representation from a devolved governance in Scotland at all.
After all the Westminster parliament of Great- Britain is not a devolved parliament .
Why would we want to cul the population in Scotland?
The only knowledge I have of the Greens is Lorna Slater, Patrick Harvie, Maggie Chapman, Beth, Herbert Heather an assortment of failed highly costly projects, bicycle lanes, their determination to bring in self-id & their association with PIE. (Paedophile Information Exchange)
I don’t envy anyone canvassing for the Greens in Scotland.
Xaracen,
The devolved parliament to Scotland is not required if Scotlands old parliament is still in a political parliamentary union with the old parliament of England for Scottish representatives of their constituents.
But as we are both aware in British Law a “parliament under dissolution” that has not re- opened or been re-instated has no Parliament members, it is not binding on the next parliament . And cannot represent its constituents.
John Main.
Nasser knew what to do.
“The Suez crisis unfolded in July 1956 when Egypt’s President Nasser nationalised the canal, which at the time was run by a company jointly owned by Britain and France.
The two countries saw it as an attack on their status and wanted to overthrow Nasser. A secret plan was hatched that involved the Israelis pretending to invade Egypt, which was then used as a pretext to intervene.
Nasser’s populist move shocked and worried Britain and France who, in collusion with Israel, attempted to re-occupy the Canal Zone and overthrow the Egyptian leader who they viewed as a troublesome dictator.
The Israeli attack on Egypt began on October 29 and Britain and France, despite calling for both sides to stop fighting, used it as an excuse to send in their own troops against the inferior Egyptian forces.”
“It was the beginning of the end of Britain’s empire and it boosted the growing anti-colonial movement. Much of our empire was gone within 10 years and this happened much quicker than people previously thought it would.”
Xaracen,
As pointed out on a number of occasions, the parliament of England in 1800 was still active under the disguise of the new rebranded name of Great- Britain creating a Anglo- Irish treaty.
The old parliament of Ireland records, this treaty with Englands parliament, it also records that the the financial agreement was made with the treasury of England.
And Westminster parliament also commenced in the same political mannerisms as the parliament of England in creating of the with the Anglo- America Trade treaty deal.
James Che @2.225pm.
James this is right up your street.
“Research by Alex Thorburn of the Scottish National Congress, Steering Committee.
“I am left wondering which regnal title Charles Philip Arthur George Windsor is using to attend a ceremony in Edinburgh next time round.
We know that he is not King of Scotland because there has never been such a title and he cannot be King of Scots as he has not upheld the full Claim of Right as specified in the Claim of Right Act 1689.
So, with no Scottish Regnal position then he has to fall back on either King of the United Kingdom or King of England – well good luck with that! Just as with “King of Scotland”, King of the United Kingdom does not exist as the 2 Crowns were never joined together but they are invested in the same person.
Ask yourself why there is a Crown Office in Edinburgh as well as the one in London? If it were a conjoined Crown there would be no need for one of the two offices.
When I looked into the House of Commons Library a few weeks ago I followed the link there for “The Coronation Oath” and under a subheading of “Previous Changes to the Coronation Oath” it states:
“Technically, any form of the Coronation Oath which does not match the wording set out in the 1688 Act is contrary to law. In practice, however, several changes have been made without amending the original Act.
These changes have generally reflected constitutional developments. The oath as set out in the 1689 Act referred to the “Kingdom of England”, so in later oaths this was changed to “Great Britain” and then to the “United Kingdom”.
So, even the English Oath is not “Technically” legal. and as no English monarch since the Act of 1688 has taken the correct English Coronation Oath, then England has been interregnum since that date, and that includes Charles Philip Arthur George Windsor.
Later in the document and as published on 19 April 2023 it states:
Until 1707 there was a requirement for any new Monarch to take both the English and Scottish oaths in order to be the Monarch in each country ( absolute proof the Crowns were not joined in any Union)
After the 1707 Union, the (English) Coronation Oath Act 1688 was extended to Scotland as part of the new Kingdom of Great Britain.
Thereafter, there has been only one statutory Coronation Oath for British monarchs”.
Nowhere does it state the legal basis for ignoring the Scottish Oath and as we know that Oath still exists because neither the Scottish Parliament nor the King of Scots had sovereignty as that rested with the People of Scotland and it still does today.
No authority had been given by them to change any aspect of the Scottish Coronation Oath or the Scottish Crown (which means the People of Scotland and not the lump of gold and silver planted on the head of a monarch).”
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/02/10/why-charles-windsor-has-no-regnal-title/
The only thing Scotland can do to help with the problem of the Earth’s ever increasing population is to just keep on doing what we are doing.
Remaining in the Union would be crucial as that seems to result in Scotland’s every diminishing population leaving space for the surplus to requirements of the World’s population.
Oh hang on! The snag is while we are still in the ‘Union Colony’ we have no control over immigration so there isn’t much we can do about it. Maybe Rwanda might be able to accommodate them.
I’m not getting why you would want to control climate change when that does in fact cul the population.
Dare I suggest that Scotland has no need for a Green Party that they are surplus to requirements.
We have no control over what happens in Russia UK-Raine, the Middle East or anywhere else in the world so it seems pointless for posters on here to spend 24/7 for months on end to try to prove they have the most knowledge about what happens in all these areas. What are the hoping for?
Ach well maybe they can’t afford a video game.
I’ve just had a thought about Scotland’s population.
Obviously it is in the Imperial Master’s interest to keep our numbers low ‘cos that leaves more for them.
Who would want folk here using up ‘their’ resources.
Never mind that shit lets get back to discussing who does or doesn’t ‘fluff for Vlad.
Fruitella the hun,
It is anti-human policies you are preaching,
Who is playing God? Who decides who lives and dies? YOU,. Are you taken up the job of creator or exterminator? Culling human beings ?
Perhaps the management of government policies has turned into a GOD like ideology of power control beyond……natural events.
Have you any idea how you sound to other humans beings?
Out of control and out of touch with reality.
Playing the creator and exterminator of life.
Murder is the old fashioned word, that was used when PEOPLE spoke of someone “preventing life existing or killing of life earlier than its natural human lifespan.
John Main @ 1:39 pm
“Do the research and find out how much of European trade uses the Suez Canal.”
So we’re bombing Yemen to keep the jeans and mobile phones coming? The UK gets most of its food and essentials by ferry from the EU, not via Suez.
“The US is the world’s second biggest trading nation”
And the US transports most of its Asian imports via Pacific and Panama routes, not via Suez.
I’ve been involved in shipping research for 50 years, as it happens.
I was going to suggest that there was something we here in the colony could do and that was to increase the population but I don’t think we can even do that.
The Greens would would restrict families to only having 1.5 children.
Humza might think differently.
Humza might suggest that each man has 4 wives claiming that would increase the population.
The reason why Islam allows 4 wives is precisely for this reason. Way back there was a battle which almost wiped out the entire male population hence the idea that 1 man should have four wives.
Of course it was male babies that were wanted.
Ruby
“Why would we want to cul the population in Scotland?”
I’ve no idea. I’m pretty sure that’s not what the restrict franchise people mean. The ecological position stresses the desirability of curbing global population rise and always emphasises the need for acceptable methods for doing that, eradicating poverty and good education being the primary ones.
The PIE connection is bollox. I knew of Ian Dunn – no connection to the Ecology Party – and I met John Hein in the street – he hailed someone in our pub-bound group he knew. They said he was a member of the Liberal Party and gay lib. Also a phone freak. Seemed harmless, if odd, and I’ve heard of no criminal accusations against him regarding his behaviour and gay lib campaigning (not that I had access to those circles). Ian Dunn was talked about though, famed in the Council for his promotion of gay rights. There was a a very active gay rights community in Edinburgh in the late seventies, and beyond. Anyway, you might think that here, more than anywhere, unfounded accusations of sexual impropriety should not gain traction.
At Ecology Party meetings policy concerns were nuclear stuff, farming and GM and challenging growth economics. Plus a motley collection of Friends of the Earth issues. The current Greens are hardly the same thing. Their Cami-khazi policies on gender may well have done for them. That said, their opposition to daft purple policies like persisting with massive spending on dualling the A9 even though the average speed limit dealt with the prime justification of reducing casualties, or their seeking to protect 10% of the coastal sea bed from those fishing practices that destroy the nature there, are commendable. It’s a sad state of affairs.
No Neil Gray type minister to welcome this bright young woman.
“The UK Home Office has refused to grant a visa to a Palestinian refugee previously supported by a prestigious British government scheme and now awarded a full scholarship to study for a doctorate at the London School of Economics.
Amena El Ashkar, who was born and raised in Lebanon and describes herself as a stateless Palestinian, successfully applied for the four-year PhD programme at LSE in 2022.
In 2019 Ashkar was a recipient of a Chevening Scholarship, a programme for “emerging leaders” funded by the UK’s Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, which enabled her to complete a master’s degree in Israeli studies at London’s School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS).
But in a response to her visa application, the Home Office told Ashkar that it had been denied on the grounds that granting it would “harm the public interest”, without giving any further reasons or explanation.”
Republicofscotland.
I have copied the coronation Oath requirements out last year,
It is also interesting to note that Queen Anne never took on the correct Coronation Oath, she did not repeat or mention the Scottish Coronation during her Coronation in 1702.
It is also interesting to note that the Coronation Act in 1688 which extended its reach to Scotland was a English Act of the English parliament pre- treaty of union.which implies the parliament of England over reaching its lawful legal bounderies , Which I also have a copy of.
The act of Settlement ensures the monarchs Crown to the throne of England and its people,the Oath taken is to England.
There has not been a Scottish monarch since king Charles 11 that took the Oath, during which time Oliver Cromwell claimed England Scotland and Ireland was a republic,
Forgetting that Scotland had crowned king Charles 11 as their king under the Oath of Scottish monarchs ,
England has always pretended it has English Sovereignty, the power of Englands parliament to make the Scottish monarchs.
Sovereignty over the Monarch and Crown of Scotland lies with the people to invest a monarch or not,
This was mentioned by Lord Cooper as have no parallel in England regards Sovereignty in Scotland.
Ruby @ 2:20 pm
“Why would we want to cul the population in Scotland?”
Significant ‘population shift’ is an important aspect of ‘colonial procedures’ applied in a non-sovereign Scotland for the last 300 years. This included transportations, the wars of independence, forced evictions, and resettlement acts focused on moving large numbers of Scots out of Scotland until at least the mid 20th century. Census records also tell us that a professional and managerial class was imported during much of this period, mainly from England, and this is still the case today; hence the term ‘population shift’.
In a colonial society, as much as our history informs us, “settler colonial spaces are structures of mobility injustice”:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17450101.2021.2004078
If Scotland had been an independent nation instead of a country seen as a colony we’d have been awarded that try, better the ref not to upset a country that isn’t a colony France, than upset one that is a colony.
The ninety-minute nationalists can now slink off home from Murrayfield.
Ruby @ 2:20 pm
“Why would we want to cul the population in Scotland?”
Significant ‘population shift’ is an important aspect of ‘colonial procedures’ applied to a non-sovereign Scotland for the last 300 years. This included transportations, the wars of independence, forced evictions, and resettlement acts intent on moving large numbers of Scots out of Scotland (3-4 million) until at least the mid 20th century. Census records also tell us that a professional and managerial class migrated into Scotland during much of this period, mainly from England, and this is still the case today; hence the term ‘population shift’.
In a colonial society, as much as our history informs us, “se**ler colonial spaces are structures of mobility injustice” in which there is an inevitable conflict between se**ler colonialism and Indigeneity that strengthens and validates the “push for decolonization enabling Indigenous possibilities” and development:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17450101.2021.2004078
“The ecological position stresses the desirability of curbing global population rise and always emphasises the need for acceptable methods for doing that, eradicating poverty and good education being the primary ones.”
Why not curb corruption & greedy bastards – or is that too much of a stretch?
There’d be no poverty then eh? Unless them being down to their last few billion is a tragedy.
Who decides who’s up for the chop?
James Che 3.10
“Have you any idea how you sound to other humans beings?”
Have you?
Frutella the hun.
Yes indeed iI have over reach on issue of life and death,
Most people around the world do not want a government decision into wether they, or they possible offspring children descendents should survive a government policy to save the a planet that has under gone many climate changes throughout millions and millions of years,
Climate change is real and a natural life cycle of our planet.
The governments turning (old age climate change) into a brainwashing ideology Mantra with the help of MSM, to tweek and prosper their purses is better if themselfs if there are less people on the planet to contest they do, through their elimination of populations.
They have been reading to many boys Comics as adults where those with power and badness in their minds take complete control of the world and all its people,
They need to grow up,
We need grown up good men and women as political leaders. Not comic book boys.
Thats it in a nutshell.
Ruby,
https://archive.vn/w9Zd0
PIE was wound up in 1984, according to this wikipedia entry. Long before Patrick Harvie or Maggie Chapman were involved with the Greens
I know there was no Scottish Branch involvement with them whilst they were extant pre 1984.
You’ll have to draw your own conclusions as to why it’s a thing on here.
Right Wing groups like EDL work this angle too.
Fruitella the hun,
If I remember correctly Chine restricted births, and now by default they have ageing population.
If you any intellectual interest in the history of Britain, you will be aware that doggaland was once highly populated with people,
Gosh who would have thought clime change drowned the land between England and France before cars and plastic were invented.
Again, if you are interested in climate change connected to history of humans behaviour you will be able to explain why some of the most ancient ports of England are now incased land mass.
Climate change has always happened, and furiously fast in some cases, as have Volcanoes and Varying gains and losses to land and sea,
After all the great flood mentioned time and again in nearly all religions did not happen because the people were driving around in cars using fossil fuels.
@ fruitella
https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-plague-of-weasels/
Fruitella the hun.
The new Climate change ideology is for those who cannot read history for themselves because they either cannot read, or for those whom have never been able to pass their history exams and have never studied geology.
The climate Change that Britain has undergone through billions of years is historically recorded by Scientific papers, geologist papers on the changes under gone in Britain, and historical records and older news papers, British television documentaries and programmes from Ray Mears to Tony Robinson and older programmes of David Attenbourgh before the new ideology was funded. Which changed his tune and life time knowledge in a instant to a new paradigm.
Its about the money and receives it, and who wants better ultimate control of the world, they just need ignorant idiots karens and kevins whom do not read or do research on the climate changes through millions of years to promote the new ideology,
Either that or employ by funding those whom cannot be bothered to check scientific papers and history.
“Old” denial of Climate change continuity history, the modern day climate change groups they are the worst climate change deniers..
Still doesn’t make the Scottish Greens interesting.
I forgot to include Ross Green on my list.
Just sayin’ that I reckon it would be a difficult task campaigning for the Scottish Greens fortunately for you most of them get in with next to no votes.
I’ll score PIE off the list and add misogynists and supporters of child abuse.
Watch Labour’s Angela Rayner creep away as fast as her feet will carry her, when confronted by the public on her parties support for the Zionists who are committing genocide in Palestine.
People like Rayner shouldn’t be anywhere near public office let alone hold any positions within it.
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/02/10/video-rayner-flees-campaigners-gaza-challenge/
RepubIicofscotland,
I cannot see through the historical records how Scotland Country has been kidnapped by England, through a personal shared monarch that does not take the coronation oath of the kingdom of Scotland during their actual Coronation in history, or by the parliament of England Acts prior to the fallacios treaty not applying to the kingdom of Scotland other than the well oiled great propaganda machine.
There is nothing to state or actually have a concrete link to that would imply Scots have lost their Sovereignty or indeed their kingdom to Englands Britain,
For a laugh.
England however did feel the need to change their parliaments name from Britain to GREAT – britain …. if the idea the Scots were going to join them.
They were not “Great” before the Scots were supposed to have joined, I note. Ha haa.
Greens also responsible for Ruth Davidson winning Edinburgh Central.
A powerful article from the Pulitzer prize winner Chris Hedges.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/02/09/chris-hedges-let-them-eat-dirt/
“England however did feel the need to change their parliaments name from Britain to GREAT – britain …. if the idea the Scots were going to join them.”
James Che.
On the above, I think the Great in Great Britain refers to the landmass which includes Northern Ireland, otherwise the land mass of Scotland and England, and Wales is known as just Britain.
I agree with Professor Alf Baird when he says that Scotland has been de facto independent since we sent a majority of indy MPs to Westminster. Oor ain MPs and MSPs know this but self-interests stops them from doing anything about it.
@RoS 6:42
That’s an innarestin article.
Who knew that the USA, the country you like to call the Great Satan, subbed Gaza to the tune of $422 million just last year alone? Plus us too contributing, me, and maybes you, if you pay taxes.
A lot of people would be quite upset to think that all the time the western world has been pouring in these kinds of humanitarian aid sums, Hamas has been siphoning it off to build bunkers and go on spending sprees at the Iranian arms fairs.
I wonder if Hamas is showing any signs of coming to the negotiating table? They’re not in a strong position, but they still hold some cards, the hostages. Exchanging the hostages for an end to the fighting and immediate relief for the innocent people of Gaza seems a no-brainer to me.
But then, remarkable as this may sound, I’m starting to think I care more for the innocent people of Gaza than Hamas does.
It’s truly remarkable how Hedges can pen his article and not once find any fault with the bunker dwellers, placing the women and children of Gaza between themselves and the enemy. Intending to fight it out to the last Palestinian.
BTW, Hedges Warsaw Ghetto analogy is a false one. The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were unarmed. If they’d had machine guns, explosives, RPGs and missiles, history might have been different.
So once again, all that reasonable people can do is call for both sides to stop shooting and release prisoners and hostages. Then this all stops.
Republicofscotland.
The Crowns are not joined officially as a union of Crowns and therefore neither as a union of kingdoms.as you state.
There are still two separate coronation oaths required for the two kingdoms, there are still two separate coronation ceremonies that take place in the two separate kingdoms on two separate dates.
Another interesting sideline is that the monarch of England sits on the Scottish Stone of destiny to enthrone the monarch in England. Whilst taken the Oath to England.
However when the English monarch arrives to be throned equally as monarch of Scots, they are never required to be seen on the stone of destiny, the stone always having been used as the coronation throne of Scottish monarchs, whilst taken the full Scottish oath to Scots.
The part Scottish oath taken by Charlie jumped the gun, AS the “supposed” coronation of Charlie and Camilla in Scotland was hidden from the Scots and not even televised as it was when they became monarchs of England.
You have to ask the obvious elephant in the room question.
Just another scam pulled on Scots like when Queen Anne jumped the gun and was declared queen of Scotland by those down south extending it to Scotland through the laws of the governance of England in 1688.
No Sovereign Scots nation witnessed either Coronation.
We are however meant to believe in all that they tell the Scots,
Seeing is believing, why hide it behind a veil of secrecy Behind closed doors
Fruity
**PIE was wound up in 1984, according to this wikipedia entry. Long before Patrick Harvie or Maggie Chapman were involved with the Greens**
What’s that got to with anything?
Nazi’s were over 70 yrs ago. Doesn’t mean that people today don’t buy into their bullshit because it was before their time.
**Right Wing groups like EDL work this angle too.**
You don’t need to be right wing to abhor nonces. It’s universal across all political beliefs except the Greens – they rather quite like them hence they want to give them shiny new laws to protect them along with access to children & sexualising children from pre school age.
The Greens are a fcking clear & present danger to the worl, to young ppl & to the old. They’re not right in the head.
@ Geri
These are worth a read as a reminder.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/mens-needs/
https://wingsoverscotland.com/women-wont-wheesht/
Reading today’s comments has made me wonder what I’m doing here. I know some others wonder that too. I’m a strong believer in independence but finding common cause with some of the folk posting here is now a step too far. Belief they can mount a persuasive argument for separation – or any strategy to achieve it – currently eludes me.
I’ve said it often but feel the need to say again – I oppose the queer theory related government policies and I think people who claim environmental policies are driven by that too are utterly wrong.
Independence from oil is independence from a whole negative economic system – that’s the point. It makes sense however small our contribution to climate damage is compared or other countries. Our individual contribution to CO2 is higher than most other individuals on the planet.
Thanks to Stu for allowing my posts despite them being at odds with his own views. Hopefully I can resist the temptation to pile in, I need to get on with other things.
I see that one of my responses to you from earlier hasn’t appeared, Fruitella. I can’t remember exactly what I said but I think we were approaching some sort of better understanding.
It’s often the case on here that people who agree with you tend not to respond and those who disagree are the ones you are left to engage with. I wouldn’t let it bother you.
For the record, I’m quite convinced that climate change is happening, that weather patterns are increasingly volatile, and likely to cause major upheavals in future. It’s one of the things driving increased migration at the moment, according to an article I read somewhere.
I’ve never really concerned myself with the question of whether climate change is manmade or not. It seems quite irrelevant from the perspective that we aren’t going to do anything about it either way.
George Ferguson
I hope you’re have a good weekend too.
Nakahara Report regarding the jab and heart function
check out bitchute –
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Republicofscotland.
The Great- britain comment was a attempted flirt with humour, opps
Fruitella the hun.
I do not disagree that climate change is happening in present day,
Where I disagree with you is the dramatiseing of the events and blaming it on humans after billions of years of it occurring from the ice age to the Great flood.
Climate change is millions of years old and goes through phases on our planet.
And it is disappointing for me personally to realise that some people in the modern education system do not know that scientifically without Co2 the planet would die, and all the animals and plants and humans with it.
It is one of the main staples to live existing on this planet.
But that “science” is being turned into propaganda lies for the ignorant by the same source funding of contributors as the gender theorists
Just Like the, we have only just discovered after millions that there is more than two sexes of humans grown ups should pass laws to have sex with children and babies is so Totally Wrong,
So is the new globlist theory on Climate change so totally Wrong for the next generation of children,
Both are dangerous ideologies being conflated to aid agendas and finances for the purposes of big pharma and ridiculous taxation and control of citizens movement.
I do not hate the Climate change groups, I feel sorry for them for having come through a appalling modern day education system that holds and is (paid for by those funding ) for ulterior motives of further and larger financial gains returns on their investments
It will prove to be a great success financially if they can educate and manipulate the young brains next generation and set old knowledge against a newly invented paradignm.
Breeks,
9 Feb. 2:37am.
I liked you analyses of that interview, my Spouse and I having discussed it had come to a very similar conclusion.
But then I always had an interest in how Chronological tables of history arrives us to the destination point of history of where we all are now,
And it was certainly not a interview for those with a short historical attention span that want all history to start in 2024.