The Little Country That Lost Its Mind
So this just happened.
Which even in the hopelessly politically-debased world of the modern Scottish judiciary might be one of the most extraordinary miscarriages of justice in the nation’s history.
Because what Dave Llewelyn actually did was quote George Galloway’s own words.
He didn’t just say it once, either.
He then went on to found “Alliance For Unity” (later “All For Unity”), a political party which saw Galloway ally himself actively and directly with the Tories, to the extent that he personally voted for them.
But finding examples of George Galloway doing political U-turns is about as hard as – well, we better not say “shooting fish in a barrel”, eh? We don’t want to be accused of hate crimes against fish, especially as the First Minister shares a name with one. Let’s say “spotting Protestants at Ibrox”.
The fact that Galloway subsequently DID the very thing he said people should shoot him for isn’t even the point. The point is that Dave Llewelyn was simply quoting his own words back at him satirically.
The trial judge knew that full well, yet astoundingly still handed down a guilty verdict (there was no jury to laugh at the absurdity of it all, which may explain the alacrity with which the Scottish Government is trying to do away with them).
Dave Llewelyn could now face imprisonment as some sort of dangerous terrorist, and if pointing out that George Galloway is a ludicrous buffoon makes you a terrorist then pretty much everyone in Britain is in a lot of trouble.
So whatever you do, don’t tell him to poke his own eyes out
or he’ll grass you right up to the rozzers and then issue lengthy statements to the media about how horrified and frightened George Galloway was by the terrible things George Galloway said about committing violence on the person of George Galloway, and then inexplicably forgot about.
We’ll be honest, readers – this morning we were sure that this would be the most embarrassing and ludicrous story about Scottish justice we’d see today:
But our country is now such a banana-republic joke that in the end it wasn’t even a close second.
Dave Llewelyn’s card was marked, of course, as soon as he drew the ire of the SNP’s heir apparent and his fragrant wife.
Mrs Robertson is the leader of a PR company with a strikingly large catalogue of awards in its short history and which employs 13 full-time staff (mostly identical-looking young women) despite having assets of just £15,000.
And we’re sure these events are unconnected to the inexplicable presence of Crown Agent David Harvie at Llewelyn’s hearing. Perhaps Mr Harvie just really enjoys a good trial, since he also showed up for Craig Murray’s.
But if you’re not scared of the direction Scotland’s heading in under the rule of Nicola Sturgeon, readers, we’d suggest that you’re really not paying attention.
Dan says:
11 August, 2022 at 2:05 pm
Retrofitting old and often listed and conservation properties is a massively expensive and complex undertaking to do it properly.
But even if buildings don’t have the best insulation, if they are heated with renewable energy rather than oil or gas then that is still an improvement to reduce carbon emissions.
I agree with you Dan, but it’s an uphill struggle to persuade folks.
I have another theory about Geothermal however, which again, freaks out environmentalists. “IF” you’re off grid, and heating your home with a geothermal heat pump, because it’s zero emissions and 100% green, why not install an oversized system into a derelict stone building, thus avoiding the need to go bananas trying to retrofit insulation into a 19th century building which was designed to be ventilated?
Yes, you are losing heat energy through the building fabric, but it’s clean, sustainable energy with zero emissions, so what is the actual down side? Bloating the stone property with modern insulation creates all manner of problems such as interstitial condensation in parts of the building which rely on ventilation.
Remove the burden of insulation, embrace a “wasteful and inefficient” geothermal system to operate the buildings as they were designed to be used, “MANAGE” the heat loss, and suddenly renovating 19th Century Stone buildings becomes eminently sensible. (+ For gods sake knock the VAT off the work too…)
All these derelict and ruinous stone cottages and buildings could be perfectly sound modern dwellings which take heat loss on the chin but remain perfectly viable because the heat that’s lost is drawn cleanly from the ground, not a power station.
Scotland is losing hundreds of these fine, robust, and vernacular properties because the current Building Regs might as well be a death sentence, and there are other ways to make these marvellous properties viable.
FFS Scotland, STOP pulling down your iconic stone built mills and factories because some greedy developer and an equally narrow minded Building Inspector collude to say they cannot be modernised.
We are losing HUNDREDS of these buildings, HUNDREDS, and what replaces them is garbage in comparison.
Hands up all the people who grew up in either a stone built cottage, house or tenement block, and how many of us died of hypothermia? It’s only smog and the cost of fuel which changed the way these buildings had to be operated, but geothermal heating COULD give these properties a whole new lease of life.
Yes, I know, the Building Regs say otherwise, but DO NOT PULL THEM DOWN. The Building Regs are badly lacking adequate sophistication and some truly iconic buildings are being lost, and future generations will we swearing at us they way we swore at Town Planners in the 60’s and 70’s who bulldozed beautiful buildings and architectural features to make way for shitty shopping centres and the occasional Tay Road Bridges which aren’t worth a damn beside the resource sacrificed to create them.
Just last week I read about a Dundee Jute Mill already demolished with the stone “salvaged” to make sign posts around the campus. Pity they couldn’t have salvaged the building as it stood. Salvaging a few lumps of stone is a mockery of the work which went into creating a fine, fine building which functioned perfectly for centuries.
(No disrespect meant to Dundee Uni, it’s actually a nice notion, but the objectionable bit is the demolition in the first place. – Which WASN’T Dundee Uni).
“The words weren’t mine originally, they were paraphrasing Derek Bateman’s intro to the Wee Blue Book if I recall correctly.” – Ellis
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You don’t recall correctly.
Here’s the complete paragraph your comment came from, for full context.
“You may put yourself forward as being persuadable, but in the end you come across as just another yoon who in his heart of heart believes the “too wee, too poor, too stupid” trope, but lacks the intellectual honesty to say it out loud. To paraphrase Derek Bateman in his preface to the wee blue book I believe, such people are not Scottish in any meaningful sense, they are British because they prioritise that nationalism over Scottish nationalism. The trouble for them is that as we’ve seen in recent years, the vast majority of British nationalists regard themselves as English first, or simply assume that English and British are one and the same. To them, and to most Scots unionists if they’re being honest, Scotland is just North Britain: a glorified county like Yorkshire with a more colourful history.”
And here’s Derek Bateman in the Wee Black Book referring only to Scottish unionists.
It is only here in Scotland that we pirouette on the
head of a pin over patriotism and nationalism. Who
else have you ever met who boasted:
“I love my country but don’t want it to govern
itself. I much prefer it to be in a minority in another
parliament where it can always be outvoted and
where parties we don’t support will dictate our
budget and policies. I don’t think my country should
have independence because it really wouldn’t be able
to do the job properly.”
Most foreign listeners would reply: Then it’s not
your country at all. You can’t care enough about it
to call it your nation. You may call yourself Scottish
but you are in fact British. Britain is your country.
– Derek Bateman, former BBC journalist
As alert readers will see, it was you that said those from E/W/NI aren’t Scottish in any meaningful way too – claiming retrospectively that wasn’t what you meant cuts no ice here.
And you can “regard pro independence New Scots as being more Scottish than native born Scots unionists” all you want, but it isn’t remotely true in fact.
Is your daughter Irish and not Scottish, now that she lives & works in Ireland? Of course not, so fuck off with your gaslighting.
Andy Ellis says:
11 August, 2022 at 4:07 pm
You’re the type promoting policies that embarrass the rest of the movement, like the weirdos shouting at cars on the border or trying to hijack other peoples marches with inappropriate banners aimed at upping the profile of their Popular Front of Jockistan splinter groups.
You forgot to mention shouting in lobbies of big businesses accompanied by members of the local jumped up church gazette, school radio and student TV utterpaparazzi, while looking like the “befores” in a biological washing powder advert, and thinking it’s going to solve anything except the primeval urges momentarily from their mid-life crises like junkies for skag.
The mill house Lived in was from around 1800s and it was damp, but what do you expect, it was made to have water next to it, and under it,
Moved to 1700s old inn to be closer to the School I was expelled from, three stories high with basements for wine and washing boiler below on one side and open the side for carriages and horse to stay,
Old butler style sinks, my mum used to do the washing in the boiler and use a mangle to remove most of the water, then hang them on lines inside the boiler room in the winter as the boiler heated the basement.
Both were and are still lovely building, although the mill now has a gigantic modern house in its grounds that is totally out of context in its surroundings.
Sinful planning departments with no care for Scottish history.
Wouldn’t live there now as no locals left and the place is no longer sharp or pristine clean, rubbish every where even in the lay byes and harbours, in trees and bushes,
FFS! Not even in campaign mode and WOS seems to be under attack more than usual recently. Nothing but problems getting on here over the past week or so. Probably Skanky Sturgeon’s Black Pampers Brigade. LOL! 🙂
The pretendy indy party SNP councillors lose control of North Larnakshire council to the Red Tories (BLiS)
Pity it didn’t fall to the Alba party the only independence party in Scotland.
link to 12ft.io
Alf Baird says:
11 August, 2022 at 1:16 pm
Hatuey @ 12:31 am
“The SNP are on the wrong side of everything.”
Everything except perhaps Westminster’s ‘agenda’, with little or no divergence in policy between Edinburgh and London these past 8 years or so. One should expect nothing less from a loyal colonial administration.
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You really don’t give up, do you? Has Mrs Baird been hiding your medication lately, or have you always been this imbecilic?
Labour now control of North Lanarkshire Council.
SNP proposed Tracy Carragher to lead the Council, but this was defeated by Labour’s amendment, by one vote.
Michael Coyle, only elected in May 2022, voted in favour of Labour’s amendment that Jim Logue should be leader, as did the Tories and British Unionist Party.
In an independent Scotland, party politics can get to fuck.
Jury style legislatures are the way forward.
Everything the SNP touches under Sturgeon’s tenure turns to shit, recently islanders struggled to get a pint of milk and a loaf of bread as an aged ferry servicing the isles broke down.
Transport minister Jenny Gilruth should be sacked on the spot in my opinion, five years late and millions of pounds over budget with painted on windows, the two ferries at Port Glasgow if ordered by a competent government (Not Sturgeon’s SNP) could’ve saw this unnecessary fiasco avoided.
The islanders must be pulling their hair out in frustration, Sturgeon couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery.
link to 12ft.io
“You really don’t give up, do you? Has Mrs Baird been hiding your medication lately, or have you always been this imbecilic?” – Pike
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*sniff sniff* Yep, I can smell Ellis. Wonder if they know each other.
Anyhoo, fun facts.
Since 1855, there’s only been two boys born in Scotland given the name Christopher Pike – the elder of the two is deid.
Star Trek must only be watched by dullards that don’t get their hole.
@RoS: damn! Clicked on that and saw her best Wee Angry look. She fair biles yer kale, non?
Anyone else getting a blank .htm download after opening WoS (on Firefox)?
Mark Boyle says:
11 August, 2022 at 5:09 pm
Andy Ellis says:
11 August, 2022 at 4:07 pm
You’re the type promoting policies that embarrass the rest of the movement, like the weirdos shouting at cars on the border or trying to hijack other peoples marches with inappropriate banners aimed at upping the profile of their Popular Front of Jockistan splinter groups.
You forgot to mention shouting in lobbies of big businesses accompanied by members of the local jumped up church gazette, school radio and student TV utterpaparazzi, while looking like the “befores” in a biological washing powder advert, and thinking it’s going to solve anything except the primeval urges momentarily from their mid-life crises like junkies for skag.
Just out of interest does ‘your movement’ have a code of conduct or are you reliant on the SNP code of conduct.
How do you go about enforcing this code of conduct.
Would you just come onto ‘Wings’ or ‘Twitter’ and call these guys out especially if they didn’t have on freshly washed
pure brilliant white shirts & had their nails freshly manicured?
What’s your problem with the church gazette, school radio & student TV? Would protests only be acceptable in your view if the BBC The Times & Nicola Sturgeon were present?
More finger pointing from the betrayer, don’t blame me if people die this Winter its not my fault, okay I sold out Scots on independence, where I could’ve done something to mitigate the coming disaster, but instead, me being a treacherous sociopath put myself and my party ahead of the welfare of the people who elected me, and to disguise my treachery I’m finger pointing at Westminster government because I can blame them, and the indy mugs that would still vote for me thinking I want independence, when I don’t, will believe me.
“NICOLA Sturgeon has agreed to an urgent package of measures to tackle the cost-of-living crisis, while saying that lives will be lost if the UK Government does not act.
The First Minister made the announcement on Twitter on Thursday after she chaired a meeting of the Scottish Government’s Resilience Committee, which has agreed to now meet weekly to track the measures’ progress.
As part of her announcement, the First Minister stressed that the tools needed to deal with crisis were reserved to the UK Government and called on Westminster to do more to help households.”
link to 12ft.io
Scott says:
11 August, 2022 at 7:28 pm
Anyone else getting a blank .htm download after opening WoS (on Firefox)?
No I haven’t had that. I’m using Firefox on a Mac.
That sounds a bit dodgy.
Something going wrong with Wings.
Do you remember when Stu said he was going to modify things on Wings due to his semi-retirement/reduced traffic.
I’ll have to look back to find out exactly what he said. It might have been something about reducing bandwidth ‘due to less demand or something.
Wings might be busier than he anticipated hence so many glitches.
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BigB is tracking YOU.
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Simply LURV your London.
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Sooo accommodating!
Scott says: 11 August, 2022 at 7:28 pm
I’m running Firefox on Linux and get it from time to time. I’ve just checked my downloads folder and files called N0bFTAvs.html and
w2DcqSQK.html
Strange, only thing I can think if that there are code behind the scenes that hasn’t been done properly and these files are being accidentally downloaded.
Found it:
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Stu writes:
Wings’ webhosting has expired and is due for renewal, but we we’re not seeking funds to pay for it – the costs will be met from the remainder of the Wings Fighting Fund. We’re aiming to downgrade the hosting to save a significant amount of money, but readers shouldn’t notice any difference – despite still being the most popular Scottish politics site, traffic is around 80% lower than it was prior to last May, so like a six-lane motorway at 3am there’s plenty wiggle room to close lanes without affecting speed.
Maybe this current article caused an extraordinary about of traffic & the reduced number of lanes couldn’t handle it.
The interesting question is why would this particular article cause so much interest?
As the betrayer of Scots hunkers down in Bute House with only her index finger visible pointing at Ten Downing street hoping that the Tories will take the heat for her treachery.
Johnson who didn’t give a toss when he was the active PM has given even less of a toss when he met with energy firm bigwigs to discuss the oncoming energy tragedy that will hit this Winter
Johnson said it was for the next PM to sort out, who is in my opinion is the Margaret Thatcher wannabe, not the Sturgeon one, but Liz Truss who has already made it crystal clear that they’ll be no handout, only tax cuts, which will be of no use to pensioner and the unemployed.
“THE high level crisis meeting between Boris Johnson and Britain’s energy firms has ended with no new measures in place.
Despite Chancellor Nahdim Zahawi warning the companies that the government “continues to evaluate the extraordinary profits seen in certain parts of the electricity generation sector,” the outgoing Conservative leader made clear that it would be “for the next Prime Minister to make significant fiscal decisions.”
Earlier today, a new analysis from energy consultant Auxilione warned that bills could hit £5,000 a year by next April.”
@Republicofscotland says:11 August, 2022 at 3:31 pm
“A FM of Scotland needs all the powers and levers of government to run a country, we cannot do it with one hand tied behind our backs, whilst another country continues to steal our assets and makes laws for us.
Scotland is a wealthy country and but we need to keep the wealth in Scotland, independence will allow us to plan for this, as part of this union Scotland is much poorer and constrained”
Do you have any idea how puerile and pathetic that response is, Republic?
I asked what carrot we can dangle in front of No voters and the undecided to persuade them to vote Yes. And your response? Have faith and once we are Independent, we can plan.
FFS Republic. The SNP has been in power since 2007, 15 long years, and nobody can answer the bleeding obvious questions everybody will be asking:
Will a Scottish government reduce fuel duty?
Will a Scottish government abolish VAT on domestic electricity, gas and heating oil?
Will a Scottish government set a low price cap on electricity/gas bills?
Does Alba have policies on this? Surely they too can’t be claiming it was all BoJo’s fault, but currently it’s nobody’s fault, but in a wee while it will be Truss’s fault.
“We will also hopefully get rid of English/US nukes which we not only host but pay through the nose for”
Well whoopy fucking do. We may be freezing our tits off but we will have sent the nukes hamewards tae think again.
Stand clear while the stampede of new enthused Yes voters tramples through the polling stations off the back of that promise.
@”Scott” 4.45 pm
Still doing that thing you do, being a creepy as fuck obsessive stalker I see? What’s my daughter got to do with it? Why would anyone in the least balanced think it was appropriate to bring her up as some rhetorical cudgel?
What sort of weirdo goes poking about online to check out the background and families of others online just because they regularly hand you your arse online?
Creepy as fuck stalkers, that’s who. You’re a mental case mate.
It’s the kind of thing the yoon media did during #indyref1 and were (rightly) criticised for. Same MO, same regressive, xenophobic worldview. No wonder you guard your anonymity: nobody in the movement with a moral compass would want to be associated with a nut job like you.
Main @8.40pm.
I was being courteous with my previous comment to you knowing fine well you are not a supporter of Scottish independence, so I value your opinion, as much as I value a dogs turd stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
But you have questions, for others (apart from one ort wo in here) I’d make an effort for you no chance.
@ John Main
Maybe naebody is answering as they’re still waiting to see all those “Brexit” promises and bonuses being delivered…
Can you not jist believe in Indy like you did wi yer “Brexit”?
@ Dan says:11 August, 2022 at 8:47 pm
Still smarting over Brexit? There’s something about being able to send your college-age sons and daughters abroad for an easy and cheap gap year, whilst being able to employ Polish tradesmen for a fraction of the cost of a home-grown equivalent, and being able to get a carry out delivered essentially free by a smiling guy with a funny accent, that just can’t be beat.
As it happens, I was in favour of Brexit even after I calculated it would cost me financially.
But here’s the thing. I recognise and admit that is a deeply unpopular and minority view.
Yet those advocates for Scots Indy, who freely admit they will vote Yes even if it impoverishes them for years, seem to believe that is a deeply popular and majority view.
Sos, but naw.
I try, over and over, to get the regulars on here to come up with some concrete, positive, improvements that ordinary Scots can expect to see after Indy, but all I hear is “have faith” and “look at the intangibles”.
But you have a point of a sort, even if maybes you don’t see it. Every time somebody bangs on about what a disaster leaving the EU was/is, some Scot somewhere is thinking, “better not leave the UK then”.
@Andy Ellis 8:45pm
Don’t worry about it mate. I have been thinking about the cyber attacks of late and who is responsible. MI5 prefer to watch and listen so it wouldn’t be them. They don’t want people to go underground with encrypted Whats App messages. We all know by now who the SNP friendly are on this blog. What they don’t realise is we can get the information out via the Unionist media. And we know how cruel they can be. Stuart Hosie white Y pants etc. BTW if Stu wanted to enhance security I would contribute to a fund raiser. Free speech is important especially when considering the next few months. We should be able to debate without fear. Anybody want to buy 2 tickets for the UEFA Cup final going cheap.
Sturgeon added: “We must all focus on supporting individuals, businesses and jobs by addressing the principal root causes of the problem.”
Hmmm. Must be a North Sea gas bonanza pending as those untapped fields and wells are brought on stream. Or Sturgeon is going to stop the war and restore gas flows from Russia. Maybes re-start the German nuclear reactors. Fast-track half a dozen nuclear power stations here. Fracking? Peat extraction? Coal mining?
Exciting times.
Being a part of Europe doesn’t necessarily mean being a member of the EU, though.There’s various degrees of involvement – which GB has rejected – that may also be open to an independent Scotland.
Andy Ellis says:
11 August, 2022 at 8:45 pm
What’s my daughter got to do with it? Why would anyone in the least balanced think it was appropriate to bring her up as some rhetorical cudgel?
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It’s a direct comparison: If New Scots are Scots, which they aren’t, she must be Irish, which she isn’t.
You couldn’t hand anyone their arse on a plate, no matter how many attempts you make, Ellis. And, your insults are meaningless, they only induce laughter.
You never got the title of Professor, which is why you have such a hard-on for Alf Baird.
You don’t seem to like women very much either, going by your comments here and the grudging thanks you gave to the woman who typed your thesis.
You’ve been banned by Iain Lawson, and cry about how unfair it is.
You’ve had posts placed in moderation, and cried about that too, even going so far as to ask the Rev (via GETTR) to just close this site down because of it.
You are too intellectually weak to understand any of the subjects you claim to be an expert in, but here you are, despite having a blog of your own, constantly trying to enact the dreams you once had, dreams of ‘influence’ that came to fuck all.
Poor you – the always misunderstood, never wrong.
@ John Main at 9.03pm
That’s the thing though, you made your decision for you. Others may have made their decisions because they realised that a vote to leave the EU, especially when undefined, could impact them and the society in which they exist in a negative way.
Just because you could absorb the losses doesn’t mean other individuals and more importantly businesses could.
So you continue to push for answers to your questions before you will even think about supporting Scotland returning to self-governing status, yet you chose an undefined “Brexit” with the myriad uncertainties and variables that included.
Ottomanboi says:
11 August, 2022 at 8:25 pm
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BigB is tracking YOU.
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Thanks for that. I’ve just installed ‘Fakeboak Container’ via Firefox add-ons.
O/T…
Anyone else getting “bad gateway” when they try to access the site? Fairly regular issue these days.
@Dan 9:27pm
Come on Dan a myriad of uncertainties and variables, you have made the case for the Union. The questions I got on the streets of 2014 are still unanswered. Currency, The lender of last resort, Immigration, Head of State, membership of the EU, the white paper pointed a big arrow at the Brexit vote. We still lost. An improvement of the Scot Gov performance would be a start.
Scott @ 9:27 pm
Yes, the colonizers perspective of the native seems ever more evident here in that, according to Professor Edward W. Said: “…it is assumed they were unable to read and respond directly to what had been written about them…and (the colonizer) presumed the natives’ incapacity to intervene in scientific discourse.”
This is comedy gold, as troughing SNP MP Tommy Sheppard bemoans that Labour has lost its principles, it would appear that irony isn’t lost on Sheppard or his spineless and gutless SNP MP mates who wouldn’t know what a principle was if it jumped up and bit them on the arse.
Sheppard added that the party (Red Tories aka Labour) is headed in a worrying direction.
“Sheppard also expressed confusion over the way in which Sarwar is refusing to entertain the idea of Scottish independence or working with the SNP.”
More worryingly than the BLiS managers denial of an indyref in Scotland, is that of the SNP under the leadership of Sturgeon the betrayer of Scots refusing to entertain the idea of Scottish independence.
As for heading in a wrong direction the SNP under the betrayers tenure has strayed so far off the beaten track that its unlikely to find its way back again.
We’ve got the Blue Tories and the Red Tories, now with Sturgeon at the helm of the SNP we have the Yellow Tories as well, all that’s left is the Alba party we need to get behind them and support them.
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@Republicofscotland 20:13pm
Agreed. I don’t recognise the SNP as a party of Independence which is why I left them and have never voted for them since. The first time I was a member of the SNP we were called Tartan Tories. Just to add to the kaleidoscope of colours.
robertkknight says:
11 August, 2022 at 9:50 pm
O/T…
Anyone else getting “bad gateway” when they try to access the site? Fairly regular issue these days.
It’s happening frequently and contrary to the conspiracy theorists looks like a simple matter of the hosts not clearing the site cache regularly – which is what happens when internet site hosts think the owner’s aren’t paying that much attention to their site any more and so start taking the piss with routine maintenance.
If it really was an attempt to gag WoS, why is this the longest period Stu’s been able to stay on Twitter without being banned?
@Mark Boyle 10:25?pn
Elon Musk? The power of Capitalism
@ George Ferguson at 10.03pm
You can hijack what I said and twist it as making a case for the Union if you want. But you know the actual context of what I wrote was that John Main voted for an undefined “Brexit” yet he wants all the answers for an Indy Scotland prior to making his decision.
Many of the answers to those questions he has about a self-governing Scotland will be for the Scottish people to decide after Indy though, and hopefully through a lens of half decent media coverage and scrutiny of detail which properly addresses each matter rather than the pack of horseshit and pish we endure with the current MSM setup.
Scott says:
11 August, 2022 at 9:27 pm
Andy Ellis says:
11 August, 2022 at 8:45 pm
What’s my daughter got to do with it? Why would anyone in the least balanced think it was appropriate to bring her up as some rhetorical cudgel?
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It’s a direct comparison: If New Scots are Scots, which they aren’t, she must be Irish, which she isn’t.
You couldn’t hand anyone their arse on a plate, no matter how many attempts you make, Ellis. And, your insults are meaningless, they only induce laughter.
You never got the title of Professor, which is why you have such a hard-on for Alf Baird.
You don’t seem to like women very much either, going by your comments here and the grudging thanks you gave to the woman who typed your thesis.
You’ve been banned by Iain Lawson, and cry about how unfair it is.
You’ve had posts placed in moderation, and cried about that too, even going so far as to ask the Rev (via GETTR) to just close this site down because of it.
You are too intellectually weak to understand any of the subjects you claim to be an expert in, but here you are, despite having a blog of your own, constantly trying to enact the dreams you once had, dreams of ‘influence’ that came to fuck all.
Poor you – the always misunderstood, never wrong.
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Indeed, Mr Baird is a professor, which means he of all people should know that Scotland is not a colony. He is a highly eccentric and intelligent individual with bizarre theories (Scotland is colony) that would never be accepted as mainstream intellectual discourse – he should know better. That’s why he’s relegated to appearing on amateurish crap like ‘Through A Scottish Prism’ rather than more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets.
If he’s so opposed to the English language, then he should publish all of his research in that stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish.
@Dan 10:36pm
It wasn’t my intention to hijack anything you said. Over one million people in Scotland voted for Brexit and a third of SNP members voted for it as well. The SNP are using it as a trope. I myself are neutral on the debate. But I would expect an IScotland to debate and have a referendum on this issue. After spending over 300 years to be become free,we are willing to join a Union with Ursulsa Von de whatever an unelected politician which you can’t get to. As bad as Nicola. A nightmare.
Using his own logic, if George Ferguson couldn’t answer the questions in 2014, he made the case for the union.
“rather than more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets.” – Pike
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You actually wrote that on a site that debunked lies in the media for a living?
You sound like Ellis, and there’s also the attack, again, on Alf Baird.
It’s noticeable that you chose that part of my response to Andy Endless* to focus on, rather than the substantive point.
*h/t David, ‘Off-topic’ – link to wingsoverscotland.com
” That’s why he’s relegated to appearing on amateurish crap like ‘Through A Scottish Prism’ rather than more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets.
If he’s so opposed to the English language, then he should publish all of his research in that stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish.”
Hahahaha . Aye , I bet Alf is just inundated with invitations to appear on intellectually superior * shows * like BBC Question Time , BBC Cat-Stuck-Up-A-Tree Jockland Evening News , *S*TV Debate ( LOL ) Night etc .
These ” more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets ” exist solely in your constipated imagination . Try Colonial Irrigation . It might help unblock all that shite that’s causing you such discomfort around anything authentically Scottish .
And there we have it troops , straight from the donkey’s arse ….the language of Fergusson , Burns , McDairmid amongst countless others – ” stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish ” .
With that last you reveal yourself as total bam . Look it up in the OED . It has many meanings , one is a synonym for * prick *
@ Dan says:11 August, 2022 at 10:36 pm
“You can hijack what I said and twist it as making a case for the Union if you want. But you know the actual context of what I wrote was that John Main voted for an undefined “Brexit” yet he wants all the answers for an Indy Scotland prior to making his decision.
Many of the answers to those questions he has about a self-governing Scotland will be for the Scottish people to decide after Indy”
Dan
That is the second post from last night where you misrepresented or misunderstood my point.
For every poster on here, how many readers do you think there are?
100? 10000? Maybes, as Ruby would claim, a billion.
They can’t all be Yes voters. So it’s not me you have to convince. It’s the majority of Scots voters who, by your own admission, didn’t vote for the uncertainty of Brexit, and won’t vote for the uncertainty of Indy.
Telling them to “have faith” and “wait until later” just won’t cut it.
And, in the final analysis, it’s not fucking rocket science, is it? Figures for GDP, population, government spending, industrial capacity, yadda, yadda, must all have been known and understood for decades now. Any half-competent team of bureaucrats or academics could model the Scottish economy in software, and, by playing about with the inputs and assumptions, put together convincing figures for our circumstances post-Indy.
So, for about the trillionth time, show us the fucking money.
link to caltonjock.com
Mark Boyle says:
11 August, 2022 at 10:25 pm
It’s happening frequently and contrary to the conspiracy theorists looks like a simple matter of the hosts not clearing the site cache regularly – which is what happens when internet site hosts think the owner’s aren’t paying that much attention to their site any more and so start taking the piss with routine maintenance.
Highly suspect information.
I’ve never heard of
1. Websites having a cache that needs to be cleared. What is in the cache?
2. Webhosts doing maintenance on websites.
Christopher Pike @ 10:56 pm
“that stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish”
How revealing is such a racist attitude towards the language and culture of an ethnic minority people within the British state of today, albeit one comprising a whole nation in itself.
Colonialism, as we know, involves oppression of an indigenous (i.e. ethnic) native population and this includes and indeed depends on debasing their culture and language (Fanon; Memmi).
As Albert Memmi put it:
“Racism appears…not as an incidental detail, but as a consubstantial part of colonialism. It is the highest expression of the colonial system and one of the most significant features of the colonialist.”
@”Scott”
It’s a direct comparison: If New Scots are Scots, which they aren’t, she must be Irish, which she isn’t.
It’s not a direct comparison at all, except to someone who is being deliberately obtuse, or just isn’t following the argument. People who move to Scotland with the intent of stating here are Scots: that what the vast majority of movement, being progressive civic nationalists believe. A minority of regressive, blood and soil nationalists believe nobody who isn’t born here is a Scot.
Reasonable people don’t attempt open windows in to people’s souls to check whether they are Scottish enough to be accepted into the “demos”.
Someone living in a country because it’s where they are working is not the same thing as people moving to Scotland from other parts of the UK or the rest of the world with the intention of staying. We don’t police them at the border and tell them they aren’t welcome unless they support Scottish independence, any more than we argue that Scottish unionists should leave after independence is achieved. Going to work in another country temporarily is not the same thing as moving permanently.
You purport to have represented your country as a footballer. Did you complain about anyone who wasn’t born here being selected for the team? Or were you one of the ones all the other players tried to avoid, and management tried to humour due to your “out there” views, because they knew your were an obsessive weirdo even then?
You never got the title of Professor, which is why you have such a hard-on for Alf Baird.
I never “sought” the title of Professor, because I was never interested in becoming an academic. you appear not to understand how Professorships work. Par for the course as we’ve seen from much of your output of course.
Alf Baird’s positions, particularly his obsession with falsely equating the Scottish experience with colonial oppression and the Scots language, are open to criticism. As other’s have pointed out, he’s hardly representing mainstream or popular views, nor does he he have much traction in the movement. Far from having a hard-on for him, I think he’s a fringe commentator with little in the way of impact.
You don’t seem to like women very much either, going by your comments here and the grudging thanks you gave to the woman who typed your thesis.
More othering assertions dressed up as facts. If I’ve criticised posters on here who are female (which would be hard if not impossible to know given most of the nativists are understandably keen to guard their anonymity lest they be publicly scorned for their regressive views) it has nothing to do with their sex.
You’ve brought up the – frankly rather odd – claim that I was grudging in thanks to the woman who typed my thesis over 30 years ago before. It isn’t true in the least of course, and appears to be based on failures in your reading comprehension. The lady concerned was a friend and work colleague: my then employer allowed her to type up my thesis on work time and equipment. I also gave her a decent fee for her efforts.
How any of this amounts to evidence of me not liking women much will be beyond the ken of reasonable folks….but we know you’re not “reasonable folks” don’t we “Scott”? You’re just some anonymous ned on the internet with too much time on their hands, and fairly obvious personality issues.
You’ve been banned by Iain Lawson, and cry about how unfair it is.
Lawson has form for not allowing criticism BTL on his blog, however moderately expressed. He did it to both Rev Stu and myself. Like most nativists, he’s only really interested in engaging with other fringe nutters in their Brigadoon People’s Front echo chamber. I’m not crying about it at all: I think it’s pretty pathetic and indicative of how weak their case actually is. People get very prickly when it’s pointed out their pet theories have negligible support.
You’ve had posts placed in moderation, and cried about that too, even going so far as to ask the Rev (via GETTR) to just close this site down because of it.
That was due to the sudden and unexplained addition of certain words to the pre-modding list. I did indeed take to GETTR, and emailed Stu on here about it. I was hardly alone expressing a view it was the wrong thing to do, but it’s Stu’s site and he can do what he wants. If I recall others, including some of the moonhowlers also complained. A few even announced they were going to stop posting, but soon appeared back…odd that, eh?
@Alf Baird –
Perhaps what Christopher Pike fails to realise (or knows full well but feigns otherwise) is that what ‘we’ as Scots think doesn’t really matter anyway. We can be as genial or hateful as we all feel individually (and that can vary from day to day depending on circumstances) but it makes no difference.
What matters is how ‘they’ see us – because they’re in charge – and there’s no doubt that the English Establishment both hates and fears us.
John Main says:
For every poster on here, how many readers do you think there are?
100? 10000? Maybes, as Ruby would claim, a billion.
Another weird question from ‘Their John’.
Lets say he means over the last month. All you would need to do is count up the number of unique posters (not that many) and divide it by the number of unique visitors to Wings (info provided by Stu) and you would get a rough figure.
Whether or not all these visitors are reading the posts and not just the article would have to be guess work. My guess is they are not. My guess would be the number of people reading the posts is equal to the number of posters. That would only be a rough guess because it is highly possible that a lot of posters do not read all the posts.
Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
6 July, 2022 at 12:48 pm
Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned. Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.
I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.
I’m very restricted in what I can say because of the above message.
If you thought someone was the scum of the earth & the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe would you spend time trying to explain yourself to that person?
Would you care what that person thought?
Robin McAlpine’s most recent blog post “Elite misrules opens the door to independence, but…” on 10th august 2022 ended with the following “call to arms”:
The indy movement must absolutely break from its recent dalliance with being a ’cause of the establishment’ and recognise that it is what it always was – a clear and present danger to the status quo. It is the only dynamic that will propel us forward in a crisis (which will absolutely not be over by the spring).
This does not mean smashing windows or clenching fists. It is about creating a new alliance, one that includes domestic business, public sector workers, financially-stressed middle class households, those on fixed incomes (pensioners), the poor and the young. Every one of those groups benefits from a change in the status quo. Only bankers, the corporate sector and the very rich stand outside this coalition.
I was wondering how others thought of that “new alliance” concept? I know a few folk, including some in here, are convinced things may happen and change to the current political impasse could come quickly due to the looming financial crisis etc.
I’d love to think that a new alliance of the groups Robin identifies will be forged, but wondered what others thought this might look like, who is going to lead it, and what the timescales will be?
Given the hostility between parts of the pro-independence movement, the apparent unwillingness of SNP membership to bring about any meaningful change at the top of their party, what’s the realistic way forward?
Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
6 July, 2022 at 12:48 pm
Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned. Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.
I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.
I’m very restricted in what I can say because of the above message.
Ruby says:
11 August, 2022 at 8:02 pm
Mark Boyle says:
11 August, 2022 at 5:09 pm
Andy Ellis says:
11 August, 2022 at 4:07 pm
You’re the type promoting policies that embarrass the rest of the movement, like the weirdos shouting at cars on the border or trying to hijack other peoples marches with inappropriate banners aimed at upping the profile of their Popular Front of Jockistan splinter groups.
You forgot to mention shouting in lobbies of big businesses accompanied by members of the local jumped up church gazette, school radio and student TV utterpaparazzi, while looking like the “befores” in a biological washing powder advert, and thinking it’s going to solve anything except the primeval urges momentarily from their mid-life crises like junkies for skag.
Just out of interest does ‘your movement’ have a code of conduct or are you reliant on the SNP code of conduct.
How do you go about enforcing this code of conduct.
Would you just come onto ‘Wings’ or ‘Twitter’ and call these guys out especially if they didn’t have on freshly washed
pure brilliant white shirts & had their nails freshly manicured?
What’s your problem with the church gazette, school radio & student TV? Would protests only be acceptable in your view if the BBC The Times & Nicola Sturgeon were present?
Bumping this up in the hope of getting a reply from Mark Boyle.
Andy Ellis says:
12 August, 2022 at 9:10 am
Alf Baird’s positions, particularly his obsession with falsely equating the Scottish experience with colonial oppression and the Scots language, are open to criticism. As other’s have pointed out, he’s hardly representing mainstream or popular views, nor does he he have much traction in the movement.
As your esteemed daughter will perhaps confirm, it isn’t a mainstream or popular view – yet – but it is a fashionable one among the chattering classes – especially those who don’t let pesky facts get in the way of some emotive bollocks (hello Anahit Behrooz and Sir Geoff Palmer!).
As has been seen with trans woo-woo and the political correctness witch hunts on campuses, there’s an unfortunate tendency of university senates nervously eyeing funding sources buckling to outside pressures (in some cases outright physical intimidation) from Scott Trust connected vermin appealing to the ignorant mob who care for nothing but finding their next victim for a self-righteous lynching, and have no qualms at what dirty tricks they’ll do to get their way.
Unless the “colonial” bullshit is stopped before it starts pretty damn quick, I fear the damage it may do to Scotland’s historical teaching and museums.
I’d love to think that a new alliance of the groups Robin identifies will be forged, but wondered what others thought this might look like, who is going to lead it, and what the timescales will be? – Ellis
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Did ye, aye?
You’ve not understood the concept then.
@ John Main
I’ve pretty consistently posted various links and discussion points to highlight Scotland’s abundance of diverse resources. Most recently on the tail end of this article with regard to gas playing its part in electrical energy generation.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Up thread on this article I point out that if serious about reducing carbon emissions then it would make more sense with economies of scale for every house to be supplied with renewable power through the existing electricity grid infrastructure, rather than a hotch potch of private individuals buying in all sorts of imported small scale products that cause all manner of issues, such as listed building / planning permission / building control problems, or air source heat pump fan noise pissing off neighbours.
I’ll throw in sensible proactive maintenance of the electricity grid would be to cut down all the fucking trees next to the power lines so corridors are formed so we don’t get power outs during storms and have to send crews out to try to repair damage in dangerous conditions during storms.
These corridors would also be fire breaks seeing as this now seems to be more of a problem.
There’s plenty space in Scotland to plant way more trees to replace the ones cut down next to power lines.
I also tried to build a bit of discussion to raise awareness on our trains and track network. It mostly being single track with passing loops, and track only being electrified as far north as Dunblane meaning diesel engines are required. So rail travel in Scotland will continue to punt out carbon emissions until the track and rolling stock go leccy.
The problem is few if any of our politicians seem to have a scooby about real world practicalities and the management of our resources and assets that could improve the lives of those that live here by building better infrastructure and revenues stream from said resources.
#FerriesNotPronouns
Anyway, have to go as off to repair a solar PV array…
Mark Boyle says:
Unless the “colonial” bullshit is stopped before it starts pretty damn quick, I fear the damage it may do to Scotland’s historical teaching and museums.
Is that it? Is that the reason for all the anger about Scotland being a colony?
Did ye, aye?
You’ve not understood the concept then.
So what do alert readers think?
Is “Scott” :
a) someone who understands the concept but is too intellectually lazy and/or inarticulate to enlighten us; or
b) just a grievance chimp and contrarian who would sooner throw his rhetorical shit around and other individuals he has a creepy as fuck obsession with?
Ruby says:
12 August, 2022 at 9:57 am
If you thought someone was the scum of the earth & the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe would you spend time trying to explain yourself to that person?
Would you care what that person thought?
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‘The scum of the earth’ is a broad church and the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe is hardly likely to advertise the fact in those terms, but if it was me, I think I’d probably use evidenced facts and logic in response to any inaccuracies posted generally, and the same in response to any comments directed at me. I’m old school, though.
And, I’d likely not actually care what they thought, basing my opinion on the words written, along with any publicly viewable information signposted by that person about themself, if indeed they’ve done so.
And do it all with a smile.
If you thought someone was the scum of the earth and the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe, how do you think they’d respond to my comment about how I’d explain why they’re wrong, while not caring what they thought, with a smile on my face?
@ Dan says:12 August, 2022 at 10:23 am
Good post.
“The problem is few if any of our politicians seem to have a scooby about real world practicalities and the management of our resources and assets that could improve the lives of those that live here”
Agreed.
So a big part of what I am saying is that in order to move the Yes/No flatline, serious people on the Yes side need to up their game. Probably, that means Alba.
The remaining part of what I am saying is that No voters, new Scots, the dont-give-a-fuck brigade, are all susceptible to a convincing explanation and plausibly evidenced guarantee that Indy will make them personally better off.
Ditch the ideological purity tests (that’s not aimed personally at you) and appeal to basic, universal, human greed.
Scott says:
‘The scum of the earth’ is a broad church and the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe is hardly likely to advertise the fact in those terms, but if it was me, I think I’d probably use evidenced facts and logic in response to any inaccuracies posted generally, and the same in response to any comments directed at me. I’m old school, though.
I was referring to what someone thought of a person not how that person advertised themselves. Do you think facts & logic would work on ‘the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe?’
The answer to your last question is ‘freak the fuck out!’
John Main says:
12 August, 2022 at 11:09 am
@ Dan says:12 August, 2022 at 10:23 am
Good post.
“The problem is few if any of our politicians seem to have a scooby about real world practicalities and the management of our resources and assets that could improve the lives of those that live here”
Agreed.
So a big part of what I am saying is that in order to move the Yes/No flatline, serious people on the Yes side need to up their game. Probably, that means Alba.
The remaining part of what I am saying is that No voters, new Scots, the dont-give-a-fuck brigade, are all susceptible to a convincing explanation and plausibly evidenced guarantee that Indy will make them personally better off.
Ditch the ideological purity tests (that’s not aimed personally at you) and appeal to basic, universal, human greed.
Before we go any further with complaints about continual swearing can we just establish if you do or do not have tourettes?
John Main says:
The remaining part of what I am saying is that No voters, new Scots, the dont-give-a-fuck brigade, are all susceptible to a convincing explanation and plausibly evidenced guarantee that Indy will make them personally better off.
You are going to have to define what you mean by personally better off. Are you talking psychologically, emotionally, spiritually or financially?
What happens next?
For those who have fallen for Sturgeon’s con trick of a plebiscitary election being the way to independence it is worth reading Peter Bell’s article entitled ‘What happens next’.
At least Alex Salmond seems to appreciate this is not the way forward, but for reasons I have previously stated he is restricted in the way he and Alba can act otherwise they get the blame if (when) it all goes wrong.
Unless the “colonial” bullshit is stopped before it starts pretty damn quick, I fear the damage it may do to Scotland’s historical teaching and museums. – Boyle
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All art is quite useless, according to Oscar Wilde, also believed to have said the following, his emphasis.
‘Medieval history’ encompasses 500 years of unwritten records, if it isn’t something based on faith and assertion, what is?
eg The Viking Age is based on wishful thinking, that revolves around conquest and colonisation, raping and pillaging, with no thought given to peaceful assimilation, and hunners of shagging, because talk of such was banned in texts at the time.
Even ‘experts’ acknowledge the limits of their knowledge imposed by the Dark Ages lack of solid fact.
Recent history isn’t much better – Up Helly Aa follows no tradition, unless hairy-arsed vikings were still cuttin aboot towards the end of the reign of Queen Victoria.
There’s a reason that history, like politics, theology, sociology and art aren’t taught by the Faculty of Science. BArt for BArt’s sake, money for old rope.
Any damn fool can predict history.
Any damn fool can repeat something that’s false but believable.
Any damn fool can create a god.
And damn fool can tolerate the intolerable.
And damn fool can spill paint.
Ruby says:
12 August, 2022 at 11:09 am
Do you think facts & logic would work on ‘the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe?’
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Facts and logic always work, mathematics and form proves it.
Assertion and logic don’t always, art will never disprove it.
Geoff Anderson says:
12 August, 2022 at 8:07 am
link to caltonjock.com
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Things you like to be reminded of…
“Check facts before opening mouth, Kezia!” – Jeff Dugdale on Twitter
Ellis, I’m afraid to tell you again that Scott is right and you don’t understand the argument McAlpine was making.
It’s really very simple; he’s saying that the status quo is increasingly going to suit nobody but a select few at the top, that all the rest (including the middle classes) are going to find themselves on the same side as the recession hammers them.
There are plenty of potential leadership candidates, Cherry, Salyers, you, etc.
Hatuey says:
12 August, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Ellis, I’m afraid to tell you again that Scott is right and you don’t understand the argument McAlpine was making.
There are plenty of potential leadership candidates, Cherry, Salyers, you, etc.
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Harrumph
Only a fool would vote for brexit, an epic act of self-harm..
It’s as plain as the nose on your face that Scotland will be much better off independent.
John Main is best ignored; he’s like a broken (Tory Brexiteer) record.
And as for convincing undecideds, how exactly is that done when 99.9 percent of the foreign-based ‘media’ is actively reporting anti-Scottish lies to keep independence facts from the general public?
Oh, and Arms Industry Andy Ellis should read Professor Alf Baird’s book ‘Doun Hauden’ and educate himself. Scotland passes the UN criteria for being described as a ‘political’ colony (i.e. resources/media/powers etc) being controlled by the country next door.
Today’s crossword clue; “A country which has to ask the country next door for permission to hold a referendum to decide it’s own future.” Six letters. C_L_NY
Arse, jist when you try to find a positive that the current high energy prices will help payback that solar PV array system you fitted on your house sooner… Only to find a jist out of warranty 3 hunner quid control box shites its pants… 🙁
You’d have hoped the
engineerfucker that designed the box would have incorporated internal protection circuitry to stop terminal damage to the unit in the event of the few possible failure scenarios that could occur to the equipment it controls… sigh.And this is an example of why all these individual small scale eco fixes are a bit of a greenwashing farce.
And a google search quickly provides evidence of many more folk suffering similar issues.
@ Dan
If said failure is a design fault, rather than unexpected but possible and replacement is a matter of goodwill via ‘warranty’, and can be shown as such, write to the manufacturer and seek a replacement.
Faulty goods are always faulty, and you are always entitled to exchange or refund.
Britains wanting independence as a country from the EU.
Is no different than Scotland wanting independence from Britian,
Britian has used and thrown the country of Ireland ( Good friday agreement) and the country of Scotland the treaty ( trade deals and opposite election votes ignored ) under the bus,
It wriggles uncomfortably on the promises it made in the past but cannot keep.
As we watch Britian promised utopia of a weathy independent Brexit britian fail all four the countries of Britian as unit,
We find it has very little to do with either the dream of being independent for Breaxit independence or Scottish independence as to actual successful out comes,
It has more to do with leaders that have little intelligence with plenty of ability to make unwise decisions. Other than for them selfs and THEIR trouser pockets, this is how small their corralled thinking is.
Leaders that are so detached in wealth and government protection they are selflessly ignorant of over three quarters of the country and population.
Wether Britain or Scotland, the wealthy can afford outlandish ideology to occupy them as a hobby and as experimential jokes on the people, they personally are cushioned from through wealth,
From its Trade deals on the other side of the world after brexit or beardy women or climate change. or closing down oil and gas plat forms prior to a proxy war, even in this the financial protection seldom places the elite at the for front of dying for their beliefs, the orders they give send the populations to the front lines to die FOR them.
Bad management, the inability to lead, the stupidity of layered wealth within a governing body, will and does see all four countries of Britian’s old empire crumbling, the only thing left is the ghost of Colonialism for resource purposes.
When this well of resources runs dry for us, the financially protected will just move to a different country,
Their is no possible way that we could call Brexit Britain a success when we see the energy crises about to envelope most of the country this winter, when millions of people are out of work and placed on credit systems,
When we have limited our selves to out sourcing everything from food to industries, from energy to banks, etc.
This is a failing crumbling Britain,
Do we go down with the sinking ship like a life boat tied to the titanic, or do we cut loose?
we have to realise that the devolved governance of Scotland is the life boat tied to the titanic.
The millionaire knight of the realm and leader of the Red Tories (Labour) Sr Kier Starmer has broken his silence of the cost of living crisis, and come up with a cunning plan to save households a whopping £46 quid a year on energy bills.
Oh well that’s, it we’re all saved everybody will be a snug as a bug in a rug this Winter knowing they are saving £46 quid. I doubt Starmer will sit cold this Winter wondering whether to heat or eat, the answer is will he f*ck.
Meanwhile the betrayer (Sturgeon) hasn’t come up with a cunning plan on the cost of living crisis yet, as she hunkers down under the table at Bute house with her WWI skinlid on, and her index finger poking up and pointing South towards England and Westminster in the usual manner of its all their fault Scotland is in the state its in.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20626621.keir-starmer-breaks-silence-plan-save–46-off-energy-bills%2F
The SNP’s male version of Shirley Anne Somerville, Humza Yousaf, both are about as useful as a chocolate teapot, is disappointed that NHS staff in Scotland haven’t accepted his derisory offer of a 5% wage rise.
Yousaf the Health secretary would probably be happy if our overworked and underpaid NHS staff accepted another round of applause instead of a wage rise.
Thousands of NHS staff from four unions have voted for industrial action.
Get it sorted Yousaf give our NHS staff a proper wage rise, do one thing right for a change.
link to 12ft.io
The difference here is plain to see Taiwan’s president Tsai Ing-wen wants to see his country independent, Sturgeon the betrayer on the otherhand doesn’t want to see an independent Scotland.
“NANCY Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan was like “external forces” colluding with Nicola Sturgeon to split Scotland from the UK, the Chinese government has said.
The comments from a spokesman came after Foreign Secretary Liz Truss condemned China’s missile launches and incursions into Taiwanese waters and air space following the visit of the US Speaker.”
link to 12ft.io
So the betrayer told the tosser Neil MacKay that she might not lead the SNP into the next Holyrood election, if only it turns out to be true, however the betrayer being a sociopath might just be playing with the minds of her die-hard supporters, and with the betrayer having an fragile ego the size of a barn door she might also be playing on their emotions hoping that many of them plead with her to stay on, God forbid.
Mackay adds.
“Now, firstly, it’s refreshing that a politician is relatively honest about their plans for the future”
I doubt the betraying sociopath would reveal her real plans to you.
Mackay further adds this.
Sturgeon did knock down the idea that she was planning to take “some grand international job”.
The betrayer is a warhawk and pal of Hillary Clinton’s so they’ll be plenty of vacancies for her in the EU and in Nato or the States or the UN, when she’s found out here in Scotland for what she really is, she’ll be off like a shot.
And this from Mackay.
“Many hardline Yes voters moan endlessly about Sturgeon and want her gone, replaced by some populist who’ll storm the union’s barricades. Be careful what you wish for, though … because without Sturgeon, what becomes of the SNP and the Yes movement?”
The answer to that is indy would begin to make progress if the right person replaced the betrayer.
For anyone wanting to read the rest of this BS here it is.
link to 12ft.io
Are you poor, do you come from a deprived area and haven’t filled in the year late census that cost millions of more pounds than if it were launch when it should have been, then f*ck you we the Scottish government via our attack dog COPFS will be coming after you and we’ll fine your poor arse a £1000 quid.
“ALBA Party have called on the Scottish Government to rule out prosecutions against Scotland’s most deprived households as a result of the “failed” National Census.
Around 250,000 households have failed to respond to the Government’s Census based on the most recently available figures.
However, new analysis by Alba Party shows that there is a direct link in poor response rates when compared to Scotland’s most deprived Local Authority areas.
However, the Scottish Government in a response issued in a Freedom of information request have failed to rule out pursuing households to enforce the £1000 penalty for failing to return the census. Instead the Government say that this will be a decision for the Procurator Fiscals Office. ”
link to albaparty.org
Ruby says:
“My guess would be the number of people reading the posts is equal to the number of posters. That would only be a rough guess because it is highly possible that a lot of posters do not read all the posts.”
You omitted an obvious and serious point for consideration dear Ruby – Sock puppets! This site is now crawling with them. Well, at least 2 or 3. And one individual is responsible for 2 of them. I shall refrain from naming names but, in way of a clue, he can often be quoted deriding “anonymity” whilst being guilty of operating “anonymous” accounts both in the past and the present.
This very same person operated on this site under a previous guise until Stu binned him. Under his previous guise, just prior to being binned, he attacked Ian Brotherhood, Dorothy, RoS and you. The very same folk he regularly attacks under his current principal account.
He often posts good intellectually literate posts, with many good points that are hard to argue against but he routinely spoils those efforts by constant aggressive childish name-calling peppered with an abundance of arrogance . He gives the impression only his way is how you win folk over. He often opines how others are in a minority and how their views will chase people away etc. Obviously ignorant to the concept of self-awareness.
I believe, from reading on here, that he’s a failed blogger? Well, i wouldn’t know anything about that as i don’t even know the name of his blog so have never visited it. I suppose getting a major rival out of the picture would create a good starting point for a plan-b (aka: Envy & Desire – The Sequel)? 😉
One more thing, his avatar is of a fictional artificial intelligence(AI) character from the 1980s(?) called ‘Max Headroom’. Max was the product of an unconscious mind who becomes a television host existing only on broadcast signals and computer systems. Look up ‘Max Headroom’ and you’ll see just how much our resident villain fancies himself. Deriding anonymity whilst hiding behind a fictional artificial intelligence avatar? Now if that’s not the height of hypocrisy then i don’t know what is. Still, he’s been great for the btl post count.
There, i’ve given you more clues than first intended. 🙂 LOL!
Stoker says:
There, i’ve given you more clues than first intended. 🙂 LOL!
You have indeed but I’m sorry I cannot name that person. 🙂
A little country with something they’re running out of.
link to archive.ph
Shall we move to North Britain darling?
What’s a nice English word for LEBENSRAUM?
Can anyone tell me how Kezia Dugdale became a Professor of anything?
James says:
12 August, 2022 at 1:11 pm
Oh, and Arms Industry Andy Ellis should read Professor Alf Baird’s book ‘Doun Hauden’ and educate himself. Scotland passes the UN criteria for being described as a ‘political’ colony (i.e. resources/media/powers etc) being controlled by the country next door.
Today’s crossword clue; “A country which has to ask the country next door for permission to hold a referendum to decide it’s own future.” Six letters. C_L_NY
Is that the country that has English Votes for Everything?
English votes for UK Prime Minister
English votes for UK Parliament
English votes for Trident
English votes for Scotland Bill
English votes for Brexit
English votes for NO Indy Ref
etc etc etc etc
I wouldn’t like to be the person arguing that Scotland is not a colony.
I’m sticking with Alf.
Dorothy Devine says:
12 August, 2022 at 4:23 pm
Can anyone tell me how Kezia Dugdale became a Professor of anything?
Self-id?
Scotland governance like England emulates america in volume) except both are without armies, unless they bring in and train foreign man power ( and they do) to fight their wars for them here from britain, And then insert them into the appropriate countries they wish to see regime change in,
The future problem for all british people is that this new army will have no attached british loyalty to people the breadth of britain should our governments wish to styme any rebellion against poverty or energy crises or corruption.
This is not a british army, but trained mechenaries to fight where they are sent by whomever pays them and provides the weapons,
All of Britain is sleep walking, most if not three quarter of migrants coming across to Britain are young men of fighting age compared to women and children,
Count the men in the boats,
Then count the families or women.
The appropriate amount enough to build a new army loyal to the piper that allowed them to stay and put them up with housing and hotels, mobile phones and food at great cost to british tax payers,
While we have homeless people on the streets and people going to food banks. Nurses on poor pay, pensions stole from pensioners and a looming energy crises.
Genuine people fleeing from other violent countries at war, do not want, wish or would leave behind their wives, children, parents, sisters, for fear of their safety should they abandon them in their homeland.
During ww2 we saw the opposite happening,
The children and women were shipped to safety first, most of the men put their families safety above their own first,
Here in britain we witness the opposite happening.
These men in their thousands trafficked will either be the future low paid workers of britain without workers rights or a conscripted army.
This is the failing Brexit Britain that claimed after Brexit it would have control of its borders, its fishing, its farming, and would thrive,
I have no wish at the moment to join a failing EU, nor do I want to be part of a poverty Brexit Britain,
The Scottish government, and I mean All of the Scottish government that is supposed to look after the welfare of the people in Scotland have failed us.
We are going down with the sinking ship,
The devolved government as a whole has no loyalties to the Scottish population,
political imprisonments are popular in America, its all the rage to imprison or attempt to imprison your political opposition.
The snp, the scottish tories, the Scottish labour, the Scottish lib dems, the Scots= english law advocates and lawyers all sat and did nothing except join in in the witch hunts against political independent figures of which I have no need to mention here,
The snp must withdraw its MPs from westminster now and act for Scots or go down with the sinking ship, by following American elimination of political opponents tactics.
So far they have nailed their flag not to their home country, but a foreign one.
It may well bring cown the devolved government in that we see it for what it is.
As SNP lose control of North Lanarkshire Council due to Linden’s libido, jist wondering if AIM / SNP have actually set a threshold for what is an isn’t appropriate in relation to sexual relations for Indy campaigners.
@ Hatuey 12.36 pm
Ellis, I’m afraid to tell you again that Scott is right and you don’t understand the argument McAlpine was making.
No, he’s not right. I do understand the argument he’s making, which is why I asked the questions I did.
It’s really very simple; he’s saying that the status quo is increasingly going to suit nobody but a select few at the top, that all the rest (including the middle classes) are going to find themselves on the same side as the recession hammers them.
I agree with him. Now….back to those questions that neither the clueless “Scott” not you appear able or willing to answer…..? In your own time….
There are plenty of potential leadership candidates, Cherry, Salyers, you, etc.
There are plenty people: whether they are leadership candidates or not remains to be seen. It’d be hard to argue that someone with Joanna cherry’s obvious talents wouldn’t figure, but then given the way she’s been treated she almost left politics last year. Sarah Salyers seems very erudite and has obviously done a powerful lot of work on Salvo, as have some on SSRG. Whether they aspire to leadership positions in “the movement” I don’t know.
My point in asking the questions I did is to find out what people think the creation of the new alliance posited by Robin, not just with respect to who is in it or leads it, but how it is formed, what the timescales would be for it, what do we expect of it? Would it work along side pro-indy political parties, or aim to replace them? Is it a “ginger group” to promote policies, or a prototype “Yes Alliance” to serve as an umbrella organisation?
I’m not expecting Robin or others to have answers to these points. I certainly wouldn’t expect some of the usual suspects in here to engage in reasoned debate about anything much, but there are (thankfully) still some adults in the room.
@James 1.04 pm
And as for convincing undecideds, how exactly is that done when 99.9 percent of the foreign-based ‘media’ is actively reporting anti-Scottish lies to keep independence facts from the general public?
That old chestnut again? Really? It’s all the fault of the wicked furriner owned meedja? That’s your best shot.
What explains the conversion of all those former No voters between 2012 and 2014 James?
“Can anyone tell me how Kezia Dugdale became a Professor of anything?”
Dorothy.
Britnat connections that’s how, they are kept in the loop after being rejected at Holyrood and parachuted into unionist gatekeeping positions in Scotland, some enter into NGO’s or think tanks, that have a certain groups interests at heart, which is never the average punters on the street, its usually corporate or the arm industry.
None of them are remotely interested in Scotland becoming independent.
In Scotland these groups are centered around Edinburgh’s Charlotte street/Sq, and in England its Tufton street in London, but they can set up shop anywhere, like Integrity Initiative did in a barn near Motherwell.
They all receive funding from a wide range of individuals and corporate and sometimes government bodies, such as Gordon Brown’s think tank, which has recently received £250,000 quid from an unknown source.
@James 1.11 pm
Oh, and Arms Industry Andy Ellis should read Professor Alf Baird’s book ‘Doun Hauden’ and educate himself. Scotland passes the UN criteria for being described as a ‘political’ colony (i.e. resources/media/powers etc) being controlled by the country next door.
I have read it. I found it unconvincing.
If Scotland passes the UN criteria, can you provide the link to the UN adding it to the list of Non-Self Governing Territories like Gibraltar and New Caledonia then? They provide annual statements on each of them.
Stoker and Ruby.
Andy seems to have gone a bit quiet since I pointed out he had been had by Sturgeon over the ‘plebiscitary election’, and suggested he look at Peter Bell’s article ‘What happens next’
This is a pity because I enjoyed debating with him. Some of his points made a lot of sense and were well thought out.
His Achilles’ heel seems to be his inability to accept that he is not always right, whereas I….am no different to Andy in this respect.
James says:
12 August, 2022 at 1:11 pm
Oh, and Arms Industry Andy Ellis should read Professor Alf Baird’s book ‘Doun Hauden’ and educate himself. Scotland passes the UN criteria for being described as a ‘political’ colony (i.e. resources/media/powers etc) being controlled by the country next door.
Today’s crossword clue; “A country which has to ask the country next door for permission to hold a referendum to decide it’s own future.” Six letters. C_L_NY
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Scotland is not a colony. Scotland, together with England, created the largest and most powerful empire in human history – Scotland was a coloniser.
“Today’s crossword clue; “A country which has to ask the country next door for permission to hold a referendum to decide it’s own future.” Six letters. C_L_NY”.
The international community doesn’t view Scotland and England as separate nation-states, it views the United Kingdom as being a unitary, sovereign state. Scotland is a constituent nation within the UK but it is not a sovereign nation recognised under international law.
@Stoker (3.54) –
Are we talking a long time ago, when this previous incarnation was around?
I’m genuinely stumped!
🙂
“If Scotland passes the UN criteria, can you provide the link to the UN adding it to the list of Non-Self Governing Territories like Gibraltar and New Caledonia then,”
Ellis.
You know fine well Scotland’s not on (C24 list) it, because we have a devolved government, however that doesn’t stop Westminster from treating Scotland, a country, as a colony by denying its people their right to democracy to hold an indyref we have had countless mandates to do so.
The fact aside, that the treacherous bast*rd Sturgeon has no intentions of ridding us of this god awful union is neither here nor there when it comes to Westminster denying Scots their democratic right, which along with machinations against Scotland that appear colonial in nature leads many Scots to believe that Scotland is a colony and who could disagree with them.
John Main says: at 11:09 am
“The remaining part of what I am saying is that No voters, new Scots, the dont-give-a-fuck brigade, are all susceptible to a convincing explanation and plausibly evidenced guarantee that Indy will make them personally better off.”
Incoming convincing explanation and plausibly evidenced guarantee that Indy will make them personally better off…
Scotland has a much better resources to population ratio than England.
Ergo, using the coefficient of fuckwittery figure of the current UK government who have control of all UK assets and have manage to create the current shitshow, any future self-governing administration of Scotland in control of all Scottish resources would have to be a magnitude or twa of fuckwittery worse performing than Westminster to achieve parity with current UK citizen wealth levels.
This may be of interest to those who follow the use of propaganda in ‘conflict’ situations:
twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1558042742973992961
@Stoker 3.54 pm
I shall refrain from naming names but, in way of a clue, he can often be quoted deriding “anonymity” whilst being guilty of operating “anonymous” accounts both in the past and the present.
It’d be no surprise that an anonymous poster like yourself would attempt to deflect by asserting things they have no evidence for. I don’t have anonymous accounts. This is my only account. Unlike all too many of the moonhowlers in here, I don’t see the need to be a snivelling coward. I’m not scared to own my views. It’s not hard to discern why you and other keyboard warriors in here are keen not to post under your own names.
This very same person operated on this site under a previous guise until Stu binned him. Under his previous guise, just prior to being binned, he attacked Ian Brotherhood, Dorothy, RoS and you. The very same folk he regularly attacks under his current principal account.
Total fantasy on your part I’m afraid. I’ve no idea who you’re referring to, but I’ve never been binned by Stu. How you would be in a position to know this to be the case escapes me too. Conspiracy theorists gonna conspiracy theorise perhaps? Always easier to believe a comforting lie than a hard truth I suppose.
He often posts good intellectually literate posts, with many good points that are hard to argue against but he routinely spoils those efforts by constant aggressive childish name-calling peppered with an abundance of arrogance . He gives the impression only his way is how you win folk over. He often opines how others are in a minority and how their views will chase people away etc. Obviously ignorant to the concept of self-awareness.
OK, so you like the content, but not the presentation? Cry me a river. I respond to those who attack me: big deal. A minority of abusive and usually potty mouthed individuals in here don’t like being described as nativists, moonhowlers or of punting regressive policies which I believe harm the movement. You can disagree, but it’s totally fair comment as far as I’m concerned.
Passing strange that the folk attacking me rarely if ever called out those routinely cunt-calling me and others, or the creepy as fuck stalkers (who I’m sure I don’t need to name either….sauce for the goose and all that, eh?) posting personal details.
Presumable I’m allowed to opine that I think my views represent those of majority? You’re free to disagree and/or try and prove me wrong. Or you can just assert the opposite. Glad we cleared that up. Feel better for airing that little gem now, do you?
Before you somewhat laughably try to take the moral high ground or question my self awareness you might like to extract the plank from your eye “Stoker”.
I believe, from reading on here, that he’s a failed blogger? Well, i wouldn’t know anything about that as i don’t even know the name of his blog so have never visited it. I suppose getting a major rival out of the picture would create a good starting point for a plan-b (aka: Envy & Desire – The Sequel)? ?
You’ve been paying too much attention to the creepy as fuck stalker I’m afraid. I don’t have the time or the wordpress skills – or any real desire to attain them – to run a blog. I put a few things up years ago, and have barely looked at it since. I’m not sure that makes me a “failed blogger”? A “can’t be arsed blogger” perhaps? Or a “never really go in to it blogger” perhaps?
How would I have the ability or desire to “get a major rival out of the picture”? A few pieces posted on a blog years ago which has been dormant ever since doesn’t really equate to being a rival of this or any other regular blog. I’d have thought those punting regressive nativism and the false “Scotland as colony” snake oil were more of a threat, but you do you and we’ll see where it ends up, huh?
What was it you were saying about self awareness again, “Stoker”?
Deriding anonymity whilst hiding behind a fictional artificial intelligence avatar? Now if that’s not the height of hypocrisy then i don’t know what is. Still, he’s been great for the btl post count.
Except I’m not anonymous am I “Stoker”? There are folk who know who I am. The creepy as fuck stalker in here likes to keep dropping wee hints, not just about me but about my daughter – for reasons best known to himself, but personality issues is a definite possibility from the MO. Most of the other pieces of work throwing their rhetorical nativist shit around in here are desperate to maintain their anonymity. It’s not hard to see why.
I don’t think anything can be read in to the choice of avatar, other than a fondness for Max Headroom and things of the era. I don’t think any reasonable person would draw the automatic inference from avatar use that the person using it fancied himself. I suppose it comes down the self awareness point you keep making anonymous “Stoker” of the empty avatar.
I need more information about the UN & this C24 list
Is Scotland even listed as a country?
Where do the UN get their info from for their C24 list.
Keep in mind the UK’s legal advice re Scotland stated Scotland ceased to exist in 1707 when it became Lesser England.
@Merganser 5.08 pm
Andy seems to have gone a bit quiet since I pointed out he had been had by Sturgeon over the ‘plebiscitary election’, and suggested he look at Peter Bell’s article ‘What happens next’
I didn’t go a bit quiet because I lacked a response or wan’t going to debate but because I didn’t see it. I haven’t been had by Sturgeon at all. I and others – including Rev Stu – have been advocating plebiscitary elections as an alternative to a britnat “stymied” indyref for years.
I’d sooner have my foreskin removed with a rust Stanley knife than read Peter Bell’s latest thoughts on anything, thanks all the same.
This is a pity because I enjoyed debating with him. Some of his points made a lot of sense and were well thought out.
His Achilles’ heel seems to be his inability to accept that he is not always right, whereas I….am no different to Andy in this respect.
Careful….the moonhowlers are getting restive. Anyone who disagrees with them is -ipso facto it seems – not a “real” independence supporter, or is a Sturgeonista stooge, or 77th Brigade or an agent of the WEF / George Soros / the Illuminati or the Space lizards in human suits.
I certainly don’t think I’m always right. I remember the last time I wasn’t….sometime in 1979 I think….? 🙂 But seriously folks, of COURSE I think I’m right about certain things, including the ones I tend to post about on here, or get into debates about. some people are worth listening to, some aren’t. Some I don’t agree with are reasonable people, some aren’t. Some of those I heartily disagree with on issues like franchise, nativism and colonisation I may agree with on certain other issues like GRA, women’s rights, the EU.
There are however a coterie of folk in here I would happily cross the road to avoid pissing on if they were on fire, whether they are pro-independence or not.
Such is life!
@RoS 5.14
“You know fine well Scotland’s not on (C24 list) it,…”
Congratulations. You win a coconut! Must feel good being right about something for once, huh?
….because we have a devolved government, …
Gibraltar and Bermuda have devolved governments too. Tell us RoS…are they on the list….? Wait for it……..
Don’t understand why the potty-mouthed are getting a hard time from Ellis; We’re all adults, the odd sweary word is to be expected given the circumstances.
“I need more information about the UN & this C24 list”
Ruby.
link to un.org.
link to en.wikipedia.org
link to archive.ph
They hate the word colony!
link to archive.ph
So weird!
Elis @6.08pm.
I see again that you avoid the crux of the matter, no surprise there then. That Westminster is denying Scots the democratic right to determine whether or not they want to stay or leave the union.
Mind you the Westminster government is similar to the Great Satan (US) when it comes to democracy, it to has denied Guam the right to change its status.
Also this.
“Since 1946, the UNGA has maintained a list of non-self governing territories under member states’ control. Since its inception, dozens of territories have been removed from the list, typically when they attained independence or internal self-government.”
And then there’s this.
“Chapter XI of the United Nations Charter defines a non-self-governing territory (NSGT) as a territory “whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government”. ”
Scotland does not enjoy the FULL measures of self government.
@”Scott”
Don’t understand why the potty-mouthed are getting a hard time from Ellis; We’re all adults, the odd sweary word is to be expected given the circumstances.
The odd swear word where called for it can be le mot juste. Sometimes the circumstances do merit it, yes. I think we all know that’s not what we’re talking about. Well….those with any sense of perspective will know, so as you were “Scott”.
Did you know that the name Gibraltar is Arabic?
Gib al Tariq
It means the Mountain/Rock of Tariq.
Tariq was the Moorish invader who conquered Gibraltar way back probably sometime between 711-1492
Gib is hill/mountain/rock or something like that in Arabic.
Sure I could Google more precise info but I’m busy & it doesn’t matter cos all
I wanted to say is you would have thought the British coloniser would have changed the name of the rock.
I wonder what it was called before Gibraltar? ‘El Peñon d’Espana’ perhaps.
Oh look another demo outside the Spanish owned Scottish power in my home town of Glasgow, it looks like a varied group of folk, I wonder if Boyle thinks that the staff were (Bold) TERRIFIED!!!!!!!!
Mind you that old lady with a walking stick and a handbag looked awfully suspicious.
What is the difference between a British Overseas Territory & a Colony?
This discussion about Scotland being a colony is a lot more interesting than talking about the franchise.
Andy Ellis says:
12 August, 2022 at 6:42 pm
The odd swear word where called for it can be le mot juste. Sometimes the circumstances do merit it, yes. I think we all know that’s not what we’re talking about.
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There you go again, redefining your own words to suit – ie when directed at you it’s not ok, but fine for if directed at anyone else.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Thanks for playing along, chump.
@RoS 6.34 pm
I see again that you avoid the crux of the matter, no surprise there then. That Westminster is denying Scots the democratic right to determine whether or not they want to stay or leave the union.
I’m not avoiding it all. What an odd statement. I fully accept Westminster is denying Scots their democratic rights. It’s what is to be done about it that is the $64,000 question.
Mind you the Westminster government is similar to the Great Satan (US) when it comes to democracy, it to has denied Guam the right to change its status.
“Great Satan” yadda, yadda [insert RoS bonkers false equivalence here] *yawn*.
Also this….and this
So Scotland IS on the list then…? Oh, that’s fine. We can declare UDI like all the other colonies then. Alf and all his mates will be thrilled. Shame all that Salvo & SSRG stuff was a waste of time since the UN have done all the heavy lifting for us!
No……
wait….
Do I need to get the toy farm animals out again for the “small….and FAR away” discussion Father Dougal?
Scotland is in a union created by treaties, treaties that can be dissolved, did Westminster need to ask for permission for the UK to leave the EU, or did it just go straight to a vote on it.
Is there a treaty in the world where one partner (we’re told that’s what we are in this union) needs the permission of the other partner to dissolve the treaty.
” no fewer than thirteen
articles of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT) contain
termination, denunciation, or withdrawal rules that apply when States do not
negotiate treaty-specific rules on these topics.1 These ‘exit’ provisions share a
distinctive attribute: they authorize one treaty member acting unilaterally or all
treaty parties acting collectively to end their obligations under an international
agreement.2 The act of exiting pursuant to these provisions is thus distinguishable
from a termination or withdrawal in response to breach by another treaty party.”
Scotland is a state (country) treaties are formed between states, and dissolved between states all the time.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Maybe we’re going about leaving this union in the wrong way, maybe we should be contacting this lot and explaining our situation. That we want to dissolve the treaties formed between two STATES.
Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties Between States and International Organizations or Between International
Organizations.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Ruby and ROS , I think Ruby wins – self ID a brilliant response!
@Ruby 5:57 pm
C-24 is the name of a committee set up by the UN in 1961 to address the question of decolonisation. In 1963 the C-24 Committee drew up a list of those to whom the Declaration applied – i.e.non-self governing territories that were of concern to them. That list still has 17 entries:
link to un.org
The list includes Gibraltar, but not Scotland. The UK is the Administering Power for 10 of those 17 territories, and therefore is a major player in the ‘let’s not de-colonise’ game.
The C-24 Committee decides annually who gets removed from the list or added to it, but I can find no criteria laid down. The members of the C-24 Committee include China, Russian and India, so change will be slow.
It’s not relevant to Scottish independence. Now that you know that it’s just plain old what-abouttery, you can ignore it and all those who talk about it.
Cheers Dorothy!
You got any idea how Kezia Dugdale became leader of Labour in Scotland?
I think I’ve got it now.
Scotland cannot be a colony cos although it is small it is not far away.
@”Scott” 7.00 pm
There you go again, redefining your own words to suit – ie when directed at you it’s not ok, but fine for if directed at anyone else.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Thanks for playing along, chump.
You have a talent for posting what you obviously *think* are slam dunk responses which are in fact nothing of the sort. Over use is an issue. So the odd swear word for emphasis or in frustration is hardly likely to bother most folk, particularly in here. Continual casual use of…let’s say cunt-calling might be regarded as something different.
Most reasonable folk wouldn’t find that an exceptional view. My earlier post and the one above are quite coherent. Fear not, nobody believes you are numbered amongst the reasonable.
Mark Boyle says:
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12 August, 2022 at 7:41 pm
12 August, 2022 at 11:38 am
‘Medieval history’ encompasses 500 years of unwritten records, if it isn’t something based on faith and assertion, what is?
eg The Viking Age is based on wishful thinking, that revolves around conquest and colonisation, raping and pillaging, with no thought given to peaceful assimilation, and hunners of shagging, because talk of such was banned in texts at the time.
Even ‘experts’ acknowledge the limits of their knowledge imposed by the Dark Ages lack of solid fact.
No one in academia has used the term “Dark Ages” this century for good reason, champ.
‘Medieval history’ encompasses 500 years of unwritten records … oh you mean like the Doomsday Book, the Venerable Bede’s history, the Continuatio Medievalis, the Auchinleck Manuscript, the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, Magna Carta, the Ragman Rolls, Richard Fawques’ account of Flodden, the Fons memorabilium uniuersi, the Icelandic sagas, the Madrid Skylitzes, etc, etc, etc?
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.
12 August, 2022 at 7:41 pm
12 August, 2022 at 11:38 am”
WHAT FUCKING PART OF THIS IS UNCLEAR?
Derek Rogers says:
12 August, 2022 at 7:20 pm
It’s not relevant to Scottish independence.
Cheers Derek. Thanks for info.
When doing my ‘research’ on Google I spotted some info about an iScotland inheriting a share of all these colonies.
What would we do?
For example:
Would we give our 1/8th of Gibraltar to Spain.
Would our section be at the north end where the airport runway is or on the seafront where all the good fishing is or in the middle where all the casinos are.
Why are Spain so keen to block Scottish independence?
Then there’s the Malvinas?
Andy Ellis @ 6.04
Re: Peter Bell.
It’s great to see you back and firing on all cylinders.
I wouldn’t ask you to go through the rusty Stanley knife procedure, but I would be interested to know what prevents you from at least reading his views, even if you strongly disagree with him.
I have to confess that I don’t know much about him, but you obviously do. Have you crossed swords with him in the past?
Here the betrayer is wasting millions on a computer system for the (SSS) Scottish Social Security that will remain highly dependent on the DWPs system after independence, a sure sign that the betrayers doesn’t envisage an indy Scotland anytime soon.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
And here how the power companies are robbing our assets in more ways than you thought.
“SSE, owned by the international conglomerate OVO would not give the work to BIFAB, and by all accounts bankrupted the BIFAB yard which had invested specifically to build jackets.”
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
@James 1:04
“And as for convincing undecideds …”
Why not start right now, right here, James.
Should be a doddle. Not like the BBC or the hostile MSM can stop you posting on here, right James?
Just don’t write anything about “having faith”.
Anyways, enough. Keenly awaiting your reply.
“You have a talent for posting what you obviously *think* are slam dunk responses which are in fact nothing of the sort. Over use is an issue. So the odd swear word for emphasis or in frustration is hardly likely to bother most folk, particularly in here. Continual casual use of…let’s say cunt-calling might be regarded as something different.” – Ellis
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When was the last time anyone called you a cunt btl?
Let it go. You keep carrying this anger, it’ll eat you up inside.
You could always refrain from posting, like that time you flounced off in the huff in Oct 2020.
“I may drop in now and then to read threads that interest me, but I’m bowing out for good with respect to BTL comments: it’s just not worth the effort anymore.” – link to wingsoverscotland.com
We all express frustration at times – you, like the hypocrite you are, recently attacked Ian Brotherhood for saying the same thing, again out of frustration.
And thanks for the compliment at the beginning; it really isn’t hard, as your wife would no doubt testify.
There was only ever one person on here who was continually called a cunt.
In my opinion cunt was le mot juste.
I haven’t changed my mind about that but I have been paying attention to Stu’s warning:
Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned. Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.
I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.
I am being good but I’m just wondering why I was singled out. Was it just because I used le mot juste?
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12 August, 2022 at 11:38 am
‘Medieval history’ encompasses 500 years of unwritten records, if it isn’t something based on faith and assertion, what is?
Unwritten records like the Anglo Saxon Chronicle, the Doomsday Book the Ragman Rolls, the Declaration of Arbroath, the Madrid Skylitzes, the Auchinleck manuscript … aye, another piece of your stunning analysis there!
@Ruby 8:00 PM
Did you mean 1/8th, or 1//8000000000th?
Recent uncertainty over your ability to use numbers is causing me to question everything you post.
@Ruby 5:57
You spelled “country” wrong.
John Main says:
12 August, 2022 at 8:14 pm
@James 1:04
“And as for convincing undecideds …”
Why not start right now, right here, James.
Why don’t you lead by example?
@RoS 6:34
See? Here is a poster who clearly believes that great swathes of people are reading the BTL comments, many of whom have never visited this site before.
Why else would he constantly need to explain just what he means by the “Great Satan”?
We get it RoS. Loud and clear. Repeated ad Infinitim. Also ad nauseum.
Why not mix it up a little for fresh interest RoS? Elaborate on the identities of the Lesser Satan, the subordinate Satans, the enabler Satans, the tractor Satans, and maybes also the running-dog mini-me Satans.
@Scott 8.20 pm
When was the last time anyone called you a cunt btl?
Not since they stopped doing it under threat of being banned. I won’t name them because….well, folk know why.
Let it go. You keep carrying this anger, it’ll eat you up inside.
No, it won’t. Trust me, I carry a good grudge. I think if people tell you who they are you should believe them.
You could always refrain from posting, like that time you flounced off in the huff in Oct 2020.
As regular and alert readers will know, the reason for the flounce was Spameron Brodie. I was hardly alone in my frustration with his constant spamming. Again, you cluelessly post links to things that “prove” the opposite of what you think.
I starting posting again when Brodie was – finally and mercifully – binned by Rev Stu. Also worth pointing out that quite a few people shared my general view of the state of affairs BTL with Brodies incessant posting, including a number still posting here.
I’m not going to let potty mouthed no-marks stop me posting now, which is why I am abiding by Rev Stu’s most recent strictures. I’m sure others are too right? I wouldn’t necessarily know because I find it best to ignore certain posters altogether.
We all express frustration at times – you, like the hypocrite you are, recently attacked Ian Brotherhood for saying the same thing, again out of frustration.
The difference is that Brotherhood flounced off, and returned without any change in circumstance.
And thanks for the compliment at the beginning; it really isn’t hard, as your wife would no doubt testify.
Yeah, my wife told me you weren’t hard. Let us know when you and your carer come on that visit to Edinburgh and we can come and point and laugh at you both.
Ruby , nobody left as the others were all hiding in Greggs?
@merganser
It’s great to see you back and firing on all cylinders.
Why thanks. Expect “incoming” from the usual suspects. Doubtless you’ll be accused of being another of my (apparently numerous) sock puppet accounts. Conspiracy theorist will conspiracy theorise of course.
Little better can be expected of people who unselfconsciously use terms like the Great Satan to refer to the USA, have constant recourse to cunt calling in lieu of argument, or insist those that disagree with them are closet unionists.
I wouldn’t ask you to go through the rusty Stanley knife procedure, but I would be interested to know what prevents you from at least reading his views, even if you strongly disagree with him.
I have to confess that I don’t know much about him, but you obviously do. Have you crossed swords with him in the past?
Life’s just too short. I’ve never met the guy, although I saw him in action at an SNP National Assembly when I was still a member. We don’t see eye to eye on much. He also doesn’t respond well to criticism, which is fair enough I suppose. I’m not above biting back myself.
Actually a big part of it is just finding his prose style a bit constipated and circumlocutory, quite apart from the content. It’s the nationalist equivalent of Effie Deans. 🙂
“Elaborate on the identities of the Lesser Satan, ”
Now that you mention it Main.
link to en.wikipedia.org
“Yeah, my wife told me you weren’t hard. Let us know when you and your carer come on that visit to Edinburgh and we can come and point and laugh at you both.” – Ellis
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Oh my…
Scott says:
12 August, 2022 at 8:20 pm
When was the last time anyone called you a cunt btl?
Maybe next time you could ask why he’s banned from mentioning my name.
Worth noting that the awful news of Salman Rushdie’s stabbing in New York demonstrates the danger of cancel culture. A fatwa is the ultimate expression of such othering of those who espouse different views.
Be under no illusions: TRAs are attempting to enable the same kind of fear in those they regard as beyond the pale. Who dares publish anything blasphemous to Islam now? The implied threat discourages most, the actions of the extremists who are prepared to use violence is the ultimate deterrent.
Thoughts are with Rushdie, his family and friends. 🙁
Hmm, I notice no response of support or critique from Mr Main about my coefficient of fuckwittery Indy campaigning strategy.
So I’ll post these old Scottish stats up and suggest we work to produce the comparative stats for England to garner approximate resources to population figures for them.
SCOTLAND WITH ONLY 9% OF THE UK POPULATION HAS:
32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
90% of the whisky industry
70% of gin production
SCOTLAND WITH ONLY 1% OF EUROPE’S POPULATION HAS:
25% of Europe’s tidal energy
25% of wind power
10% of wave energy
Over 60% of EU oil production (largest oil reserve in the EU)
33% of the EUs total hydrocarbon production
Maybe it’s not this simple but surely gives an idea…
ENGLAND WITH ONLY 91% OF THE UK POPULATION HAS:
68% of the land area.
39% of the sea area.
10% of the fresh water.
35% of the natural gas production
3.5% of the crude oil production.
53% of the open cast coal production
19% of the untapped coal reserves
38% of the timber production
54% of the total forest area
8% of the hydro electric production
60% of the wind wave and solar energy production
40% of the fish landings
70% of the beef herd
80% of the sheep herd
91% of the dairy herd
90% of the pig herd
85% if the cereal holdings
80% of the potato holdings
10% of the whisky industry
30% of gin production
Now those resource to population stats look a bit sketchy to me…
… such othering of those who espouse different views`
a lot of `spittle flecked moon howling nativists` just spat their tea out.
@Scott Finlayson
Yeah, yeah…you and yer regressive mates are definitely comparable….
No, wait…..the other thing.
Jeezus wept: a man is fighting for his life after being attacked having spent 30 years under the shadow of death and violence, I make the (entirely reasonable) comparison with the violence and cancel culture being promoted by TRA’s….and your whinge is being called hurty names?
You’re going to have to wait for me to find my tiniest violin Scot.
Andy Ellis @ 9.00pm
I don’t think there is much chance of me being regarded as one of your sock puppets in view of our completely different positions on plebiscitary elections, and the fact I have said you have been ‘had’ by Sturgeon over this issue, which I still think to be the case.
Which reminds me, have you any idea why Alex is blowing cold on the value of a plebiscitary election now? And do you know if the Rev Stu. has had a similar rethink? A lot has been written about this since the idea was first mentioned, and it’s attraction seems to be on the wane.
Andy Ellis says:
12 August, 2022 at 9:57 pm
Jeezus wept: a man is fighting for his life after being attacked having spent 30 years under the shadow of death and violence, I make the (entirely reasonable) comparison with the violence and cancel culture being promoted by TRA’s….and your whinge is being called hurty names?
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Same ‘wrong context’ energy from yet another of the narcissists ruining the meaning of things to serve their own personal agenda.
“Don’t have anything particularly clearheaded to say, but the stabbing of Salman Rushdie (though it has decades-old origins) alongside the campaign of threats and intimidation against drag queens in the US makes it feel like a very grim, dangerous time for artistic expression.” – Ash Sarkar
link to twitter.com
Dan
The SNP should be screaming these statistics from the rooftops but they never have and never will. And isn`t that just a tad odd for a party whose whole existence is Scottish independence.
@Merganser 10.04 pm
I doubt you and I having opposing views on that issue will stop the moonhowlers.
I don’t see how you think I or others have been “had” by Sturgeon. She’s had to adopt the concept that many of us had been advocating for yonks, because she’s running out of runway.
As for Alex, I’m not sure if he’s blowing cold “now”, as I don’t know if he was ever keen on the idea in the first place. From what he said last Saturday he’d prefer some form of direct action to plebiscitary elections, and he’s not a fan of the requirement for a majority of both seats and votes being required.
As far as Im aware Stu’s views haven’t changed, but not seen him post on it.
Merganser says:
12 August, 2022 at 10:04 pm
Andy Ellis @ 9.00pm
I don’t think there is much chance of me being regarded as one of your sock puppets in view of our completely different positions on plebiscitary elections, and the fact I have said you have been ‘had’ by Sturgeon over this issue, which I still think to be the case.
Which reminds me, have you any idea why Alex is blowing cold on the value of a plebiscitary election now? And do you know if the Rev Stu. has had a similar rethink? A lot has been written about this since the idea was first mentioned, and it’s attraction seems to be on the wane.
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So fucking transparent, innit.
Scott @ 10.17
Happy to have a meaningful debate with you if care to explain what you mean.
During this time of crisis, Nicola Sturgeon bleats that Holyrood is powerless to effect meaningful change for residents of Scotland.
Has she ever actually read the Scotland Act 1998?
31 A Two-thirds majority for Bills relating to a protected subject-matter
If the Presiding Officer states under section 31(2A) that in his view any provision of a Bill relates to a protected subject-matter, the Bill is not passed unless the number of members voting in favour of it at the final stage is at least two-thirds of the total number of seats for members of the Parliament.
link to legislation.gov.uk
Recalling the Scottish Parliament and laying a Bill that would, even temporarily, allow direct measures and let the unionists vote according to their conscience, is within our Government’s gift.
Doing fuck-all of substance by waiting on a new PM to be appointed is a choice, not an obligation – it’s criminal neglect.
Merganser says:
12 August, 2022 at 10:47 pm
Scott @ 10.17
Happy to have a meaningful debate with you if care to explain what you mean.
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I already have. The floor is yours, Senator.
Merganser says:
12 August, 2022 at 10:04 pm
A lot has been written about this since the idea was first mentioned, and it’s attraction seems to be on the wane.
I haven’t been reading much about it recently but I was 100% in agreement with you on day one. Nobody voted for a ‘de facto referendum’ I am amazed that there are people who are happy to roll over and accept this crap. We were promised a referendum and it’s up to Sturgeon to get us that referendum if she can’t she should resign. I haven’t read Peter Bell’s article yet but I will do. I’ve been busy doing research into ‘Scotland’s Colonial Status’.
Dorothy Devine says:
12 August, 2022 at 8:59 pm
Ruby , nobody left as the others were all hiding in Greggs?
Got you! She became leader of Labour in Scotland because she didn’t like sausage rolls. 🙂
Independence…
link to archive.ph
Merely froth on her coffee.
«Sturgeon pledged to treat the people of Scotland as grownups at her daily briefings…. imposing tighter local lockdowns»
Plainly a concept of freedom with constraints.
link to plato.stanford.edu
O/T
On going onto the internet about a totally different topic, I had come across a piece of hidden Scottish history called the Battle of Glasgow which involved a group of martial arts trained suffragettes fighting with the police who was trying to arrest Emmeline Pankhurst when she trying to do a speech in Glasgow in 1914.
It sounds like something straight out of a comic book but is actually true:
link to 12ft.io
Ottomanboi says: 13 August, 2022 at 9:02 am
It feels like she is trying to project the image of what is usually done by Banana republic despotic strong men. Given that one of the photos details the expensive designer clothes she is wearing, it really says it all, she is totally fake.
The posturing would be laughable if it wasn’t for the fact that she has single-handedly caused untold damage to the independence cause.
Ooooft… Kirk Torrance shoots and scores! Chapeau sir…!
link to twitter.com
BLiS and the London Tory branch office in Scotland voted against a 5% pay rise for council workers in Scotland leaving them with the prospects of a measly 3.5% wage rise.
“The 3.5% offer has infuriated unions, whose members are now set to strike, as the smaller rise will only contribute approximately £15m whilst allowing hundreds of millions in council reserves to remain.
Authorities where GMB members have decided to strike are Aberdeen, Angus, Dundee, East Ayrshire, East Lothian, Falkirk, Glasgow, Inverclyde, Highland, Midlothian, Orkney, South Ayrshire, South Lanarkshire, West Lothian, Perth and Kinross, and North Lanarkshire.”
We expect this from the Tory scumbags, and we’ve come to expect it from the the Red Tories now as well, disgraceful.
Andy Ellis says:
13 August, 2022 at 9:47 am
” Ooooft… Kirk Torrance shoots and scores! Chapeau sir ”
Yes , but as someone on that thread said ….
“From her point of view it has went fabulously. Vogue magazine. Hobnobbing with royalty. An adoring fanbase. Celebrities and movie star selfies. Multiple extra-marital affairs. Tours of Italy/France/USA. TV chat shows. VIP tickets to big events. Face on buses. She’s had a ball!!”
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking
Horsebox Mike prattling on here as usual, the jist of the article is Tories bad and selfish.
I found this sentence from Russell telling.
“Those profits typify all that is wrong with the current state of the UK, which seems sunk in a farrago of selfishness and greed.”
He could easily be describing SNP MSPs and MPs, and of course the betrayer, but that sentiment is lost on Horsebox Mike, all appears well to him in the land of the SNP.
Russell endorsed the exclusion of indy parties in Scotland that don’t conform to the SNP’s wokie principles, it is of course an attempt to exclude the REAL party for Scottish independence the Alba party.
link to 12ft.io
As Scotland circles the plughole and the cost of living crisis sees hard pressed families struggle, which will only get worse, the Betrayer has popped her head up above the parapet, not to announce some sort of mitigating measures to help struggling Scots, no she’s been mumbling on about the August Supermoon.
Its good to see the betrayer has got her priorities in order, one wonders just how much more damage she’ll do to Scotland and its economy before the faithful realise what a fraud she is, for some the penny will never drop.
link to 12ft.io
I admire the hope and enthusiasm these people display I really do, but I’m baffled that they can’t see the emperor, or in our case the empress has no clothes on. Is it blind faith that somehow something might come of it, and like a snowball rolling down a hill, it could gather pace and mass until it becomes unstoppable, I certainly hope so.
However we know the betrayer and her party too well and we have been privy to some of their machinations over the last few years, some have been aimed at suppressing independence, others have been about suppressing notable indy bloggers, all the signs point to nothing major happening on the indyfront with the betrayer and her party in mind.
link to 12ft.io
@Robert Hughes 10.00 am
Yes , but as someone on that thread said ….
“From her point of view it has went fabulously. Vogue magazine. Hobnobbing with royalty. An adoring fanbase. Celebrities and movie star selfies. Multiple extra-marital affairs. Tours of Italy/France/USA. TV chat shows. VIP tickets to big events. Face on buses. She’s had a ball!!”
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking
The self delusion is strong in that one though. As GhostofWings also noted on twitter, it’s the first time Sturgeon has actually come out with the TWAW line:
“She says: “The vast majority of women are people like us, who were born women and are biological women, and a very small number who are trans women – who are women. When that question is asked, usually it’s an invitation to exclude the tiny number of women who are trans,” she says, her frustration clear as her delivery accelerates, “and I am not going to do anything to further exclude and stigmatise them.”
Sturgeon lacks the basic self awareness to stop and wonder about the appropriateness of posing for vanity shots to accompany the fawning fluff piece from tame hack Libby Brooks in Jimmy Choo shoes, designer jewellery and outfits from Harvey Nichols.
@”Scott” 10.15 pm
So fucking transparent, innit.
Only to the tin foil hat wearing fraternity “Scott”. I’m sure there are some sock puppets in here, but it’s much more likely they’re the anonymous accounts spouting fringe nutterdom, sitting in their kecks in their Mammy’s back room eating Coco Pops from the box and wondering why they can’t get any.
Unsurprisingly I see you chose not to answer merganser, doubtless on the entirely reasonable grounds that you lack the intellectual height for that particular ride.
@Robert Hughes
The “multiple extra-marital affairs” claim from Paul on Twitter is risible, little more than wishful thinking she did a Boris.
Yes, the marriage was for career reasons, but the only person Sturgeon can find any semblance of love for is herself.
The legal fiction around Claim of Right is that the people of Scotland simply sacked King James VII for corruption by means of the law and constitution of Scotland. In England, the legal fiction is that James II abdicated and was lawfully replaced by William and Mary. The reality is revolutions took place in Scotland and England. Those asserting the Claim of Right and Bill of Rights had “haunders” from an army and navy from the Dutch Republic. It wasn’t the law that settled matters, it was the winners of the civil war that wrote the law. James did not recognise the Claim of Right or Bill of Rights and few relinquish power willingly: the Battle of the Boyne 1690 in Ireland and Jacobite uprisings in Scotland in 1689, 1715 and 1745 confirm this.
Following the end of WWII there was the creation of the UN and its Charter in an attempt to limit or prevent the conditions that lead to conflict and war/s. The UK has ratified the Charter and also the UN Treaty called the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) both of which assert the right of self-determination. In its submission to the International Court of Justice the UK’s opinion supported the right of self-determination (by means of a unilateral declaration of independence) for the people of Kosovo. At the European Court of Human Rights the UK has argued that compliance with the UN Charter is the supreme law.
UK Parliament is the supreme legislative chamber in the UK but, power exercised to deny or stymie democracy, to deny self-determination should be ruled an abuse of power contrary to Scots Law common law interpreted with the aid of The Claim of Right 1689, and the international treaties: the UN Charter, ICCPR and Articles of Union.
Scott @ 10.07 and 11.08pm
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to your assertion, which you have set out succinctly in the following four words:
‘So fuckin transparent, innit?’
In replying to you, I may have to resort to the use of polite language, which I hope doesn’t cause offence.
A bit of background: A relative (a great uncle) was a prominent member of the Irish independence movement. He was captured and sentenced to death. He escaped three times. He spent the last few years of his life in these islands, unknown to anyone except his family what his background was. I knew him as a quiet but passionate old man.
His philosophy was that independence required two things: passion and ability, which don’t always go hand in hand.
When I look at what Scotland has been reduced to I cannot but despair that what had both passion and ability under the leadership of Alex Salmond, has become a lost cause under the ‘leadership’ of Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP. It is a tragedy, that won’t be put right until all the lies behind the Salmond affair are made public, so people can see what has been done to them.
I don’t profess to know the answer to achieving independence. But I believe that I know what isn’t the answer, namely, to fall into the trap of trusting one word of what Sturgeon says.
This site has kept the flame alive for me. People have passionate views, but they may not necessarily be right, even some of the time.
You and Andy are like peas in a pod, with your passion. It matters not that the content is often rubbish from both of you, it matters that your passion keeps this site going and keeps the flame alive. It stimulates debate and ideas Captain Yossarian was always polite, but if everybody contributed at his level, Wings would have packed up long ago.
So carry on your hammer and tongues act and make the sparks fly. If I can provoke you or Andy into keeping up the fight so much the better. And at least I still have the passion to do it.
Sometimes things aren’t as transparent as they seem
Stu Campbell, we need your fact-checking abilities.
From the SNP’s submission to the Supreme Court:
“The applicant is funded mainly from voluntary contributions”. I thought its main source of funding was now “Short Money” from the UK State.
“With over 100,000 members”. Does the SNP still have over 100,000 members?
““The applicant is funded mainly from voluntary contributions”. I thought its main source of funding was now “Short Money” from the UK State.”
You are correct.
link to gordondangerfield.com
Andy Ellis says:
13 August, 2022 at 11:32 am
Only to the tin foil hat wearing fraternity “Scott”. I’m sure there are some sock puppets in here, but it’s much more likely they’re the anonymous accounts spouting fringe nutterdom
Andy Ellis says:
12 August, 2022 at 9:00 pm
@merganser
Why thanks. Expect “incoming” from the usual suspects. Doubtless you’ll be accused of being another of my (apparently numerous) sock puppet accounts. Conspiracy theorist will conspiracy theorise of course.
Merganser says:
12 August, 2022 at 10:04 pm
Andy Ellis @ 9.00pm
I don’t think there is much chance of me being regarded as one of your sock puppets in view of our completely different positions on plebiscitary elections, and the fact I have said you have been ‘had’ by Sturgeon over this issue, which I still think to be the case.
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I see no denial, only deflection.
Narcs can’t help themselves when accused of that which is true – scenarios of what might be the true case, using counter-accusation without evidence
Have a nice day.
Dan says:
13 August, 2022 at 12:44 pm
link to gordondangerfield.com
You are the most alert reader of all of us alert readers. I have been waiting for a follow up from Gordon Dangerfield.
Cheers.
Andy & Mark
As far as the * multiple affairs * part goes , I neither know nor give a fck if that’s true .
The essential point of that comment is accurate ie her tenure as FM has brought HER many benefits and – short of some damning revelations emerging , will no doubt facilitate her slotting into some extremely well paid * Globalist * nodding dog position
She has the * right stuff * for the wrong people
I wonder if Mark Boyle believes there is love involved in ‘extra marital affairs’?
I don’t believe Sturgeon has affairs or any sex whatsoever.
Sturgeon is a virgin.
She doesn’t even know the difference between a man and a woman.
That’s enough about her she is a complete bore. If I wanted to read about vacuous celebs I would choose Hello or one of these glossy celeb mags – at least the vacuous celeb in these mags are nice looking and they are not taking the piss out of voters.
Scott @ 12.47 Andy ‘10.15
‘Good. use your aggressive feelings boys. Let the hate flow through you’.
But try and channel it a bit more towards achieving independence if you can.
Robert Hughes says:
13 August, 2022 at 1:07 pm
As far as the * multiple affairs * part goes , I neither know nor give a fck if that’s true.
I see what you did there … 😀
Robert Hughes says:
will no doubt facilitate her slotting into some extremely well paid * Globalist * nodding dog position
After reading about Kezia Dugdale becoming a professor – my mind is boggling!
Merganser says:
13 August, 2022 at 1:19 pm
Scott @ 12.47 Andy ‘10.15
‘Good. use your aggressive feelings boys. Let the hate flow through you’.
But try and channel it a bit more towards achieving independence if you can.
What are you doing Merganser? Are you looking to have those two banned for indulging in ‘fucking playground shit’?
Was reading Salvo site and they were delighted with the response and enthusiasm from grass roots and inclusion,
The suggestions put forward were excellent, except one.
Digital ID cards,
This is a globalist agenda, and one Boris and NS has have been trying to push forward on to all of Britain,
This concept of digital ID cards has to be RESEACHED BY EVERYONE HERE so they know what is being proposed and the control from a government level it has on citizens, the purpose of introduction was first suggested in wef, and G meetings by the wealthy elite like Blair, Brown, Gates,etc.
It has the future ability to ration food, travel, energy, water, finances in and out you’re bank.
How on earth did this Globalist agenda sneak into a new beginning for Scotland.
It is a Big NO from both of us, and we will withdraw our support on that issue alone,
Was reading Salvo site and they were delighted with the response and enthusiasm from grass roots and inclusion,
The suggestions put forward were excellent, except one.
Digital ID cards,
This is a globalist agenda, and one Boris and NS has have been trying to push forward on to all of Britain,
This concept of digital ID cards has to be RESEACHED BY EVERYONE HERE so they know what is being proposed and the control from a government level it has on citizens, the purpose of introduction was first suggested in wef, and G meetings, the EU, by the wealthy elite like Blair, Brown, Gates,etc.
It has the future ability to ration food, travel, energy, water, finances in and out you’re bank.
How on earth did this Globalist agenda sneak into a new beginning for Scotland.
It is a Big NO from both of us, and we will withdraw our support on that issue alone,
Please research it in depth yourselves,
Ruby@ 1.29
As I’m sure you spotted, it’s a quote from Star Wars.
I don’t want them banned; they have so much energy and passion, but it is a shame seeing it go to waste all the time. If only it could be harnessed somehow in furtherance of the cause. In a non violent way of course.
(Spoiler: if having a GRC does turn a biological male into a “biological female” for the purposes of the Equality Act, then it is simply absurd for the Scottish Government to claim, as they do, that the Bill’s provisions allowing biological males to obtain a GRC by essentially self-identifying as female do not intrude into the reserved area of the Equality Act. Clearly, they do, and as such the Act, if passed, will be struck down by the courts as outwith the competence of the Scottish Parliament.)
Gordon Dangerfield.
Interesting!
The gender identity issue is changing in sports i see,
They are beginning to be banned from competing in women’s sports,
Horaay for common sense at long last.
@ James Cheyne
Have you a direct link to the piece about Digital ID cards on Salvo.scot?
@Merganser 1:50pm
Agree with the non violent way. Meanwhile we need a country that is worthy of Independence, with it’s public services largely intact. I oscillate between deliberate and sheer incompetence of the Scot Gov. Part of me cannot reconcile that it is deliberate. I think better of human nature. But..take Humzas cunning plan to ameliorate the SNHS Hospital rotas. Only ten days later junior hospital Doctors are voting with their feet. Not necessarily going to Australia etc but leaving medicine all together or taking non rota locum jobs. It’s a crisis but you won’t hear that on the Scottish Broadcast media. Perhaps we will when they are confronted with the reality of our hospital services. We as a country cannot afford Nicola to be in office much longer. It’s falling apart.
Scott,
I went into Salvo site, as we had joined,
Perhaps some one on here will read this and be kind enough to supply a direct link for you, not to genned up on how the links go,
We usually manually print things in for links, wish I could have been more help.
Anyone here able to help Scott, it would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
Scott,
The link you have to that name you used for me is not accurate,
I am using some one elses discarded I pad,
All posts under james che is actually a female born and bred,
I mentioned this a few years ago on this site,
People seem to have forgotten or perhaps were not on this site a few years ago,
James che says:
13 August, 2022 at 2:29 pm
Scott,
I went into Salvo site, as we had joined
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I’ve been on the site and can’t locate the article you refer to…can you at least signpost how you found it, beyond ‘I went into Salvo site…’?
Scott if it is any help my last name is Gordon,
Can any one provide the link for Scott.
James che says:
13 August, 2022 at 2:36 pm
Scott,
The link you have to that name you used for me is not accurate,
I am using some one elses discarded I pad,
All posts under james che is actually a female born and bred,
I mentioned this a few years ago on this site
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What?
Scott,
Just like I co not know how to provide you with a link, I dont know how to recalibrate the I pad I was given from a friend at work, to my own name,
Sorry I am not to smart with computers, and being dyslexic every effort is has to be done over and over again to make some sort of sense,
You may have noticed this in my past comments
I gave up,
So now every one is reminded that james che is was born and is still a female I am sure dorithy D and other females like Ruby on this site will understand why I stand up for female spaces and the wrongs against women pensioners, the Scottish governments appalling view on childrens safety. Etc,
All females in Scotland should stand strong together and those with children in the education system should put their foot down and stop their children from being brainwashed with gender nonsense being taught to their kids, this damaging to your children mentally, it confuses them as to how they fit into society in the future much more than the average child would have been in the past,
If my children were at school, I would be withdrawing them from that school that taught ideology,
It breaks families and destructs the unity of society as to its altimate aims and goals,
If will bring about fear of all men,wether they be white black or green, fathers , brothers, grand fathers and uncles,
Disgendering will cause mothers and daughters and sons to row beyond normal teenage problems, it adds confusion as a extra problem, and may ruin a childs life permanently if they make a wrong decision so early on in tender years. Because they were educated to follow teachings of ideology.
George Ferguson @ 2.28
‘We need a country that is worthy of independence’
I think Scotland will always be worthy of independence, whatever its state for the time being, and it has been reduced to a dreadful state by the present Scottish Government as you point out.
I agree wholeheartedly that progress towards recovery can only be made once Sturgeon and her followers have gone. Achieving independence whilst they are still in power is a nightmare prospect.
I just hope Alex is back in it for the longer term and Sturgeon is exposed for the charlatan which she is, then the two objectives of independence and putting the country back on a level course have a chance of success
James che says:
13 August, 2022 at 2:58 pm
Just like I co not know how to provide you with a link, I dont know how to recalibrate the I pad I was given from a friend at work, to my own name,
Sorry I am not to smart with computers, and being dyslexic every effort is has to be done over and over again to make some sort of sense,
You may have noticed this in my past comments
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Yeah, syntax isn’t the main issue when it comes to making sense of your posts.
Scott,
Sorry if that was a bit of a shock, but a did mention it on here a few years ago,
I had a hard up bringing and a tough schooling,
Plenty of knocks in life to gain a good idea of how the world works, the good the bad and the corrupted.
A equally balance of females and males in my family, means i think like a woman and fight like a man,
I take no nonsense and no prisoners,
And the independence of Scotland has been my priority for many years.
@Merganser 3:28pm
‘Scotland will always be worthy of Independence ‘. As a principled Independence supporter I would agree with that and note the word principled. Perhaps I am closer to what is happening than most folk. Look up SNHS show website to determine number of vacancies in the SNHS. And we have a number of vacancies about to appear over the next couple of weeks. We won’t have a SNHS in short order. Is the fault of the Union?. Not on this occasion. This is a crisis made in Scotland from girders. Hence my dilemma of incompetence vs malevolence. If there is an Independence vote tomorrow I will vote Yes. But I cannot except that the people of Scotland wasted their public services on some nilhistic jolly by Nicola to get her rocks off.
The king in Scotland of winning VONC’s mainly due to the Greens John Swinney is copying his boos at Bute House and fingering pointing in the direction of Westminster for state Scotland’s in via the cost of living crisis.
Swinney say we’re (Scots) facing tough choices, yes we are but they could’ve been mitigated a bit if he and his treacherous boss the betrayer had at least tried to get us out of this bucket of shit union, but no instead they put party before country and their agenda before that of the people of Scotland welfare.
They’ve wasted millions of pounds of Scottish taxpayers money on building ferries and holding a flawed census a year late and sold of (Scotwind) good clean energy generating areas of our seas for a pittance, just a few examples of this now unionist party’s failings. Sturgeon and her SNP brood of troughers have done untold damage to the indy movement and are pushing their jurless trials and GRA, whilst a majority of Scots don’t want either.
“JOHN Swinney has accused the UK government of holding the country to ransom over the cost of living crisis.
The Deputy First Minister- who is covering the finance brief during Kate Forbes’s maternity cover – said he was facing tough choices because of Whitehall’s inaction.
A crisis meeting between the Prime Minister, Chancellor Nadhm Zahawi, and the bosses of Britain’s energy companies on Thursday ended with no new measures being announced.
During the summit, Boris Johnson made clear that it would be for his successor to make any significant fiscal intervention.”
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Yeah, syntax isn’t the main issue when it comes to making sense of your posts.
That may be the first time I’ve agreed with “Scott”.
The world turned upside down indeed. 🙂
Scott,
The only addition to our particular conversation is as follows,
It does not matter if we are young, old, black, white or green, it coes notmatter that we co not use our own names or not,
What matters is that this is a site that supports Scottish independence, and I would presume every one here is on this site is aiming to do just that,
Every one here has a good idea of those on here trying to cause problems or opposing the independence movement at every new turn,
If you are here for the aim of independence of Scotland, sooner rather than later, does it matter that the person standing beside you shoulder to shoulder may be female, as long as they are on your side.
In fact we need more females to wake up, to be encouraged, to bring a new life to Scotland,
Andy,
If you have been on this site for a long time, that should not have turned the world upside down, at all.
For i mentioned it here ( on this site) a long time ago, you must either be a relative newbee, or you have made presumptions.
George Ferguson @ 3.51
It’s tragic what she has done. And not just to the health service.
Her latest wheeze is to accuse Alex of a ‘full frontal’ assault on her to get her out of office. The brass neck of the woman defies belief. After what she tried to do to Alex! She is desperate to halt the rise of Alba, which is leading the independence debate now.
Hopefully she has started a ball rolling which will result in Alex being vindicated when all the facts become public knowledge
@merganser 11.55 am
I don’t profess to know the answer to achieving independence. But I believe that I know what isn’t the answer, namely, to fall into the trap of trusting one word of what Sturgeon says.
I certainly don’t trust Sturgeon or what is laughably known as the SNP’s leadership. The issue moving forward is that the SNP are still the predominant party in the independence movement. I certainly think the movement as a whole shouldn’t be the creature of the SNP, but until and unless the SNP is either replaced, or de-toxified by the removal of the Sturgeonite virus it has become infected with, the party is still the engine of the movement, however badly it is misfiring.
Todays Guardian puff piece by Brooks demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sturgeon is a show horse, not a work horse as our American cousins say. You’re right that both the passion and the ability are lacking: it’s all about appearance, how things look. Sturgeon’s SNP is a selfie in the form of an organisation.
Her comments about “life after politics” are telling. Perhaps even someone as vapid as Sturgeon has realised that it will soon be “put up or shut up” time? If she can’t deliver a “legal gold standard S30 sanctioned referendum” the scales will fall from the eyes of a lot of people who have bought in to her snake oil pitch until now. They’ve forgiven her inaction, her misogyny and obeisance before the candy floss haired Twitler youth and TRA extremists, because she guaranteed them a referendum.
Kirk Torrance is right:
“A staunch lesson for politicians everywhere; belligerence evaporates enthusiasm.
A sorrowful legacy for someone I used to greatly admire; who’s now just a petulant ninny.
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Nicola’s number will soon be up. We have to plan for what happens afterwards. That might be sooner than we think, or it might not be for a few years. Hopefully the movement can rediscover both the passion and the ability by then…?
@Merganser 4:18pm
You are pushing against an open door with regards to Alex Salmond. I have always respected his political ability. A concern of mine is high achievers like the Doctors and others, I was talking about in public service, don’t want to enter politics. We are left with people that haven’t achieved anything before politics with a very limited perspective of life and little in the way of solving complex problems. But back to the Doctors a patient presents with symptoms of an over enlarged prostate gland but you can’t treat him because he has identified as a woman and doesn’t have a prostate gland. No wonder they are leaving in their droves. Impossible job.
Republicofscotland,
Not only did swinney and pals in the snp have a fistful of mandates, but they also missed an open goal over Brexit,
Over the question of the treaty which they prevented some from attempting through the court,
But the amount of excuses for “wait an see”, carrot dangling,
There is missing fund money,
The list goes on and on,
The devolved government is not a Scottish government, and the Scottish people tend to be a bit confused over this issue, any one that enters the Scottish parliament swears an oath to the crown, the british parliament falsely claims it is sovereign, and therefore places itself above monarchy and crown,
So in actual fact any one entering the devolved Scottish parliament is swearing an oath to ( englands ) parliament in reality.
The devolved Scottish parliament is sworn an oath to follow all laws and statues of Englands british parliament,
This is why the Scottish government/ NS run to to supreme court to beg for the Scottish devolved government to have powers released from tony Blairs supreme court,
I am not sure how we go forward trying to use the Scottish/ English devolved government as an asset rather than a hinderance while its boss is the British/ english government.
I think FM Sturgeon has eyes on a seat in HoL – but only in the name of breaking down barriers for the ‘common good’, natch.
She’s also a malignant narcissist, much like her very close personal friend Baroness Sossidges.
If she steps down as leader of SNP, the attention and elevated status she constantly seeks won’t present by itself.
And you can tell her I said that…
“I am not sure how we go forward trying to use the Scottish/ English devolved government as an asset rather than a hinderance while its boss is the British/ english government.”
James Che.
Nothing will happen until the betrayer is booted out of Bute House, I have great respect for Julian Assange and Wikileaks in general, but the betrayer when she’s not been re-elected as FM will need to be dragged kicking and screaming out of Bute House in a similar fashion to that of Assange from the Ecuadorian embassy for she’ll try and hold on and do as much damage to Scotland as possible.
However once she’s been evicted (the sooner the better) and we somehow manage to install a strong indy minded FM into Bute House, this is vital for without the right person at the helm we won’t move one inch forward on the indyfront, I can’t stress the importance of this enough, its the key to Scotland’s success.
Such as recalling our MPs back to Holyrood and along with our MSPs they and the MPs can then vote on whether or not to hold an indyref, if its a yes (majority) we can then organise an indyref by ourselves for ourselves, and hopefully set a residency time period.
Westminster is denying Scots the right to choose whether to stay or leave this fetid union, Westminster is denying Scots their democratic right. So we will bypass Westminster if the MPs and MSPs vote yes (majority) and go straight to the indyref, but we need Sturgeon out and the right person in for this to happen.
Andy Ellis says:
13 August, 2022 at 4:01 pm
Yeah, syntax isn’t the main issue when it comes to making sense of your posts.
That may be the first time I’ve agreed with “Scott”.
The world turned upside down indeed. ?
That’s their story this week and I’d take it with the same bucket of salt I’d take any of their claims. This is someone adding sauce and a flake to their online persona. Saw it happen a thousand times.
As for your stalker clown, funny how he “appears” when a certain other appears, and vanishes the same time they do …
Mark Boyle says:
13 August, 2022 at 5:20 pm
That’s their story this week and I’d take it with the same bucket of salt I’d take any of their claims. This is someone adding sauce and a flake to their online persona. Saw it happen a thousand times.
As for your stalker clown, funny how he “appears” when a certain other appears, and vanishes the same time they do …
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Paranoid much?
Scott says:
13 August, 2022 at 3:38 pm
Yeah, syntax isn’t the main issue when it comes to making sense of your posts.
You now Ellis’s stooge? Feeding him all his best lines! </b
Andy Ellis @ 4.22
‘A petulant ninny’
But such a dangerous one to be ‘leading the country’, as she is for ever boasting about.
I am curious to know what has caused this latest outburst from her.
Is it to pre-empt something which is about to break out?
Is it because Alba seems to be making the running over independence and is getting more publicity?
Is it an attempt to get Alex to take the bait – to tee him up as the fall guy when all her cunning plans turn to rat?
Can’t wait to find out what has rattled her cage
Why would it matter if Sturgeon cannot deliver a “legal gold standard S30 sanctioned referendum” when so many people are happy with her ‘de facto referendum’?
What has rattled Sturgeon?
Could be a number of things
Police investigations into
missing funds
leak to Daily Mail
perjury in Alex Salmond trial
coming to a head
Further revelations re Balmoral incident.
The prospect of her precious GRA/self id bill being struck down by the courts.
The menopause
low ticket sale for her Fringe Show.
I think there is another police investigation pending but I’ve forgotten
These investigations take so long it’s easy to forget.
From previous thread, ‘Cracking the Code’, 3 Aug at 11.13pm:
msdidi says:
“This email came from FOR WOMEN SCOTLAND today
Consultation on review of Violence Against Women and Girls Services
I know we are probably all suffering from consultation fatigue but this one is really important and will take just a couple of minutes to do. As you can see from the first question the term “woman” has been redefined to include any man who declares himself to be a woman. After our judicial review win this just should not be happening!
Please respond in the box under question one that their definition of woman is unlawful and it should be changed to the biological definition “a female of any age” as defined in the Equality Act. As per the decision in For Women Scotland v LA and Scottish Ministers, “gender reassignment” is a separate protected characteristic from “sex” and the two should not be confused or conflated. The court ruled that provisions in favour of women must, by definition, exclude those who are biologically male, and that the Scottish Government cannot amend the definition of “woman”.
Please also add a couple of short sentences on why it is important to you that women’s services remain single-sex. For example, many women will opt to self-exclude themselves if there are male staff or service-users (regardless of how they identify), or worry if they can get help at all if a