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The Little Country That Lost Its Mind

Posted on August 05, 2022 by

So this just happened.

Which even in the hopelessly politically-debased world of the modern Scottish judiciary might be one of the most extraordinary miscarriages of justice in the nation’s history.

Because what Dave Llewelyn actually did was quote George Galloway’s own words.

He didn’t just say it once, either.

He then went on to found “Alliance For Unity” (later “All For Unity”), a political party which saw Galloway ally himself actively and directly with the Tories, to the extent that he personally voted for them.

But finding examples of George Galloway doing political U-turns is about as hard as – well, we better not say “shooting fish in a barrel”, eh? We don’t want to be accused of hate crimes against fish, especially as the First Minister shares a name with one. Let’s say “spotting Protestants at Ibrox”.

The fact that Galloway subsequently DID the very thing he said people should shoot him for isn’t even the point. The point is that Dave Llewelyn was simply quoting his own words back at him satirically.

The trial judge knew that full well, yet astoundingly still handed down a guilty verdict (there was no jury to laugh at the absurdity of it all, which may explain the alacrity with which the Scottish Government is trying to do away with them).

Dave Llewelyn could now face imprisonment as some sort of dangerous terrorist, and if pointing out that George Galloway is a ludicrous buffoon makes you a terrorist then pretty much everyone in Britain is in a lot of trouble.

So whatever you do, don’t tell him to poke his own eyes out

or he’ll grass you right up to the rozzers and then issue lengthy statements to the media about how horrified and frightened George Galloway was by the terrible things George Galloway said about committing violence on the person of George Galloway, and then inexplicably forgot about.

We’ll be honest, readers – this morning we were sure that this would be the most embarrassing and ludicrous story about Scottish justice we’d see today:

But our country is now such a banana-republic joke that in the end it wasn’t even a close second.

Dave Llewelyn’s card was marked, of course, as soon as he drew the ire of the SNP’s heir apparent and his fragrant wife.

Mrs Robertson is the leader of a PR company with a strikingly large catalogue of awards in its short history and which employs 13 full-time staff (mostly identical-looking young women) despite having assets of just £15,000.

And we’re sure these events are unconnected to the inexplicable presence of Crown Agent David Harvie at Llewelyn’s hearing. Perhaps Mr Harvie just really enjoys a good trial, since he also showed up for Craig Murray’s.

But if you’re not scared of the direction Scotland’s heading in under the rule of Nicola Sturgeon, readers, we’d suggest that you’re really not paying attention.

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    1. Breeks says:

      Dan says:
      11 August, 2022 at 2:05 pm

      Retrofitting old and often listed and conservation properties is a massively expensive and complex undertaking to do it properly.
      But even if buildings don’t have the best insulation, if they are heated with renewable energy rather than oil or gas then that is still an improvement to reduce carbon emissions.

      I agree with you Dan, but it’s an uphill struggle to persuade folks.

      I have another theory about Geothermal however, which again, freaks out environmentalists. “IF” you’re off grid, and heating your home with a geothermal heat pump, because it’s zero emissions and 100% green, why not install an oversized system into a derelict stone building, thus avoiding the need to go bananas trying to retrofit insulation into a 19th century building which was designed to be ventilated?

      Yes, you are losing heat energy through the building fabric, but it’s clean, sustainable energy with zero emissions, so what is the actual down side? Bloating the stone property with modern insulation creates all manner of problems such as interstitial condensation in parts of the building which rely on ventilation.

      Remove the burden of insulation, embrace a “wasteful and inefficient” geothermal system to operate the buildings as they were designed to be used, “MANAGE” the heat loss, and suddenly renovating 19th Century Stone buildings becomes eminently sensible. (+ For gods sake knock the VAT off the work too…)

      All these derelict and ruinous stone cottages and buildings could be perfectly sound modern dwellings which take heat loss on the chin but remain perfectly viable because the heat that’s lost is drawn cleanly from the ground, not a power station.

      Scotland is losing hundreds of these fine, robust, and vernacular properties because the current Building Regs might as well be a death sentence, and there are other ways to make these marvellous properties viable.

      FFS Scotland, STOP pulling down your iconic stone built mills and factories because some greedy developer and an equally narrow minded Building Inspector collude to say they cannot be modernised.

      We are losing HUNDREDS of these buildings, HUNDREDS, and what replaces them is garbage in comparison.

      Hands up all the people who grew up in either a stone built cottage, house or tenement block, and how many of us died of hypothermia? It’s only smog and the cost of fuel which changed the way these buildings had to be operated, but geothermal heating COULD give these properties a whole new lease of life.

      Yes, I know, the Building Regs say otherwise, but DO NOT PULL THEM DOWN. The Building Regs are badly lacking adequate sophistication and some truly iconic buildings are being lost, and future generations will we swearing at us they way we swore at Town Planners in the 60’s and 70’s who bulldozed beautiful buildings and architectural features to make way for shitty shopping centres and the occasional Tay Road Bridges which aren’t worth a damn beside the resource sacrificed to create them.

      Just last week I read about a Dundee Jute Mill already demolished with the stone “salvaged” to make sign posts around the campus. Pity they couldn’t have salvaged the building as it stood. Salvaging a few lumps of stone is a mockery of the work which went into creating a fine, fine building which functioned perfectly for centuries.

      (No disrespect meant to Dundee Uni, it’s actually a nice notion, but the objectionable bit is the demolition in the first place. – Which WASN’T Dundee Uni).

    2. Scott says:

      “The words weren’t mine originally, they were paraphrasing Derek Bateman’s intro to the Wee Blue Book if I recall correctly.” – Ellis

      You don’t recall correctly.

      Here’s the complete paragraph your comment came from, for full context.

      “You may put yourself forward as being persuadable, but in the end you come across as just another yoon who in his heart of heart believes the “too wee, too poor, too stupid” trope, but lacks the intellectual honesty to say it out loud. To paraphrase Derek Bateman in his preface to the wee blue book I believe, such people are not Scottish in any meaningful sense, they are British because they prioritise that nationalism over Scottish nationalism. The trouble for them is that as we’ve seen in recent years, the vast majority of British nationalists regard themselves as English first, or simply assume that English and British are one and the same. To them, and to most Scots unionists if they’re being honest, Scotland is just North Britain: a glorified county like Yorkshire with a more colourful history.”

      And here’s Derek Bateman in the Wee Black Book referring only to Scottish unionists.

      It is only here in Scotland that we pirouette on the
      head of a pin over patriotism and nationalism. Who
      else have you ever met who boasted:

      “I love my country but don’t want it to govern
      itself. I much prefer it to be in a minority in another
      parliament where it can always be outvoted and
      where parties we don’t support will dictate our
      budget and policies. I don’t think my country should
      have independence because it really wouldn’t be able
      to do the job properly.”

      Most foreign listeners would reply: Then it’s not
      your country at all. You can’t care enough about it
      to call it your nation. You may call yourself Scottish
      but you are in fact British. Britain is your country.
      – Derek Bateman, former BBC journalist

      As alert readers will see, it was you that said those from E/W/NI aren’t Scottish in any meaningful way too – claiming retrospectively that wasn’t what you meant cuts no ice here.

      And you can “regard pro independence New Scots as being more Scottish than native born Scots unionists” all you want, but it isn’t remotely true in fact.

      Is your daughter Irish and not Scottish, now that she lives & works in Ireland? Of course not, so fuck off with your gaslighting.

    3. Mark Boyle says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      11 August, 2022 at 4:07 pm

      You’re the type promoting policies that embarrass the rest of the movement, like the weirdos shouting at cars on the border or trying to hijack other peoples marches with inappropriate banners aimed at upping the profile of their Popular Front of Jockistan splinter groups.

      You forgot to mention shouting in lobbies of big businesses accompanied by members of the local jumped up church gazette, school radio and student TV utterpaparazzi, while looking like the “befores” in a biological washing powder advert, and thinking it’s going to solve anything except the primeval urges momentarily from their mid-life crises like junkies for skag.

    4. James che says:

      The mill house Lived in was from around 1800s and it was damp, but what do you expect, it was made to have water next to it, and under it,

      Moved to 1700s old inn to be closer to the School I was expelled from, three stories high with basements for wine and washing boiler below on one side and open the side for carriages and horse to stay,
      Old butler style sinks, my mum used to do the washing in the boiler and use a mangle to remove most of the water, then hang them on lines inside the boiler room in the winter as the boiler heated the basement.
      Both were and are still lovely building, although the mill now has a gigantic modern house in its grounds that is totally out of context in its surroundings.
      Sinful planning departments with no care for Scottish history.

      Wouldn’t live there now as no locals left and the place is no longer sharp or pristine clean, rubbish every where even in the lay byes and harbours, in trees and bushes,

    5. Stoker says:

      FFS! Not even in campaign mode and WOS seems to be under attack more than usual recently. Nothing but problems getting on here over the past week or so. Probably Skanky Sturgeon’s Black Pampers Brigade. LOL! 🙂

    6. Republicofscotland says:

      The pretendy indy party SNP councillors lose control of North Larnakshire council to the Red Tories (BLiS)

      Pity it didn’t fall to the Alba party the only independence party in Scotland.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20623186.labour-take-control-north-lanarkshire-council-snp-thanks-bup-vote%2F

    7. Christopher Pike says:

      Alf Baird says:
      11 August, 2022 at 1:16 pm
      Hatuey @ 12:31 am

      “The SNP are on the wrong side of everything.”

      Everything except perhaps Westminster’s ‘agenda’, with little or no divergence in policy between Edinburgh and London these past 8 years or so. One should expect nothing less from a loyal colonial administration.

      ——

      You really don’t give up, do you? Has Mrs Baird been hiding your medication lately, or have you always been this imbecilic?

    8. Scott says:

      Labour now control of North Lanarkshire Council.

      SNP proposed Tracy Carragher to lead the Council, but this was defeated by Labour’s amendment, by one vote.

      Michael Coyle, only elected in May 2022, voted in favour of Labour’s amendment that Jim Logue should be leader, as did the Tories and British Unionist Party.

      In an independent Scotland, party politics can get to fuck.

      Jury style legislatures are the way forward.

    9. Republicofscotland says:

      Everything the SNP touches under Sturgeon’s tenure turns to shit, recently islanders struggled to get a pint of milk and a loaf of bread as an aged ferry servicing the isles broke down.

      Transport minister Jenny Gilruth should be sacked on the spot in my opinion, five years late and millions of pounds over budget with painted on windows, the two ferries at Port Glasgow if ordered by a competent government (Not Sturgeon’s SNP) could’ve saw this unnecessary fiasco avoided.

      The islanders must be pulling their hair out in frustration, Sturgeon couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20622383.calmac-faces-blame-food-shortages-island-amid-ferry-row%2F

    10. Scott says:

      “You really don’t give up, do you? Has Mrs Baird been hiding your medication lately, or have you always been this imbecilic?” – Pike

      *sniff sniff* Yep, I can smell Ellis. Wonder if they know each other.

      Anyhoo, fun facts.

      Since 1855, there’s only been two boys born in Scotland given the name Christopher Pike – the elder of the two is deid.

      Star Trek must only be watched by dullards that don’t get their hole.

    11. Tinto Chiel says:

      @RoS: damn! Clicked on that and saw her best Wee Angry look. She fair biles yer kale, non?

    12. Scott says:

      Anyone else getting a blank .htm download after opening WoS (on Firefox)?

    13. Ruby says:

      Mark Boyle says:
      11 August, 2022 at 5:09 pm

      Andy Ellis says:
      11 August, 2022 at 4:07 pm

      You’re the type promoting policies that embarrass the rest of the movement, like the weirdos shouting at cars on the border or trying to hijack other peoples marches with inappropriate banners aimed at upping the profile of their Popular Front of Jockistan splinter groups.

      You forgot to mention shouting in lobbies of big businesses accompanied by members of the local jumped up church gazette, school radio and student TV utterpaparazzi, while looking like the “befores” in a biological washing powder advert, and thinking it’s going to solve anything except the primeval urges momentarily from their mid-life crises like junkies for skag.

      Just out of interest does ‘your movement’ have a code of conduct or are you reliant on the SNP code of conduct.
      How do you go about enforcing this code of conduct.
      Would you just come onto ‘Wings’ or ‘Twitter’ and call these guys out especially if they didn’t have on freshly washed
      pure brilliant white shirts & had their nails freshly manicured?

      What’s your problem with the church gazette, school radio & student TV? Would protests only be acceptable in your view if the BBC The Times & Nicola Sturgeon were present?

    14. Republicofscotland says:

      More finger pointing from the betrayer, don’t blame me if people die this Winter its not my fault, okay I sold out Scots on independence, where I could’ve done something to mitigate the coming disaster, but instead, me being a treacherous sociopath put myself and my party ahead of the welfare of the people who elected me, and to disguise my treachery I’m finger pointing at Westminster government because I can blame them, and the indy mugs that would still vote for me thinking I want independence, when I don’t, will believe me.

      “NICOLA Sturgeon has agreed to an urgent package of measures to tackle the cost-of-living crisis, while saying that lives will be lost if the UK Government does not act.

      The First Minister made the announcement on Twitter on Thursday after she chaired a meeting of the Scottish Government’s Resilience Committee, which has agreed to now meet weekly to track the measures’ progress.

      As part of her announcement, the First Minister stressed that the tools needed to deal with crisis were reserved to the UK Government and called on Westminster to do more to help households.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20624353.nicola-sturgeon-reveals-cost-of-living-package-saying-inaction-will-cost-lives%2F

    15. Ruby says:

      Scott says:
      11 August, 2022 at 7:28 pm

      Anyone else getting a blank .htm download after opening WoS (on Firefox)?

      No I haven’t had that. I’m using Firefox on a Mac.
      That sounds a bit dodgy.

      Something going wrong with Wings.
      Do you remember when Stu said he was going to modify things on Wings due to his semi-retirement/reduced traffic.
      I’ll have to look back to find out exactly what he said. It might have been something about reducing bandwidth ‘due to less demand or something.
      Wings might be busier than he anticipated hence so many glitches.

    16. Ottomanboi says:

      WARNING
      BigB is tracking YOU.
      https://archive.ph/IT2iw

      Simply LURV your London.
      https://archive.ph/Hd9F1
      Sooo accommodating!

    17. PacMan says:

      Scott says: 11 August, 2022 at 7:28 pm

      Anyone else getting a blank .htm download after opening WoS (on Firefox)?

      I’m running Firefox on Linux and get it from time to time. I’ve just checked my downloads folder and files called N0bFTAvs.html and
      w2DcqSQK.html

      Strange, only thing I can think if that there are code behind the scenes that hasn’t been done properly and these files are being accidentally downloaded.

    18. Ruby says:

      Found it:

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/less-is-more/
      Stu writes:

      Wings’ webhosting has expired and is due for renewal, but we we’re not seeking funds to pay for it – the costs will be met from the remainder of the Wings Fighting Fund. We’re aiming to downgrade the hosting to save a significant amount of money, but readers shouldn’t notice any difference – despite still being the most popular Scottish politics site, traffic is around 80% lower than it was prior to last May, so like a six-lane motorway at 3am there’s plenty wiggle room to close lanes without affecting speed.

      Maybe this current article caused an extraordinary about of traffic & the reduced number of lanes couldn’t handle it.

      The interesting question is why would this particular article cause so much interest?

    19. Republicofscotland says:

      As the betrayer of Scots hunkers down in Bute House with only her index finger visible pointing at Ten Downing street hoping that the Tories will take the heat for her treachery.

      Johnson who didn’t give a toss when he was the active PM has given even less of a toss when he met with energy firm bigwigs to discuss the oncoming energy tragedy that will hit this Winter

      Johnson said it was for the next PM to sort out, who is in my opinion is the Margaret Thatcher wannabe, not the Sturgeon one, but Liz Truss who has already made it crystal clear that they’ll be no handout, only tax cuts, which will be of no use to pensioner and the unemployed.

      “THE high level crisis meeting between Boris Johnson and Britain’s energy firms has ended with no new measures in place.

      Despite Chancellor Nahdim Zahawi warning the companies that the government “continues to evaluate the extraordinary profits seen in certain parts of the electricity generation sector,” the outgoing Conservative leader made clear that it would be “for the next Prime Minister to make significant fiscal decisions.”

      Earlier today, a new analysis from energy consultant Auxilione warned that bills could hit £5,000 a year by next April.”

    20. John Main says:

      @Republicofscotland says:11 August, 2022 at 3:31 pm

      “A FM of Scotland needs all the powers and levers of government to run a country, we cannot do it with one hand tied behind our backs, whilst another country continues to steal our assets and makes laws for us.

      Scotland is a wealthy country and but we need to keep the wealth in Scotland, independence will allow us to plan for this, as part of this union Scotland is much poorer and constrained”

      Do you have any idea how puerile and pathetic that response is, Republic?

      I asked what carrot we can dangle in front of No voters and the undecided to persuade them to vote Yes. And your response? Have faith and once we are Independent, we can plan.

      FFS Republic. The SNP has been in power since 2007, 15 long years, and nobody can answer the bleeding obvious questions everybody will be asking:

      Will a Scottish government reduce fuel duty?

      Will a Scottish government abolish VAT on domestic electricity, gas and heating oil?

      Will a Scottish government set a low price cap on electricity/gas bills?

      Does Alba have policies on this? Surely they too can’t be claiming it was all BoJo’s fault, but currently it’s nobody’s fault, but in a wee while it will be Truss’s fault.

      “We will also hopefully get rid of English/US nukes which we not only host but pay through the nose for”

      Well whoopy fucking do. We may be freezing our tits off but we will have sent the nukes hamewards tae think again.

      Stand clear while the stampede of new enthused Yes voters tramples through the polling stations off the back of that promise.

    21. Andy Ellis says:

      @”Scott” 4.45 pm

      Still doing that thing you do, being a creepy as fuck obsessive stalker I see? What’s my daughter got to do with it? Why would anyone in the least balanced think it was appropriate to bring her up as some rhetorical cudgel?

      What sort of weirdo goes poking about online to check out the background and families of others online just because they regularly hand you your arse online?

      Creepy as fuck stalkers, that’s who. You’re a mental case mate.

      It’s the kind of thing the yoon media did during #indyref1 and were (rightly) criticised for. Same MO, same regressive, xenophobic worldview. No wonder you guard your anonymity: nobody in the movement with a moral compass would want to be associated with a nut job like you.

    22. Republicofscotland says:

      Main @8.40pm.

      I was being courteous with my previous comment to you knowing fine well you are not a supporter of Scottish independence, so I value your opinion, as much as I value a dogs turd stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

      But you have questions, for others (apart from one ort wo in here) I’d make an effort for you no chance.

    23. Dan says:

      @ John Main

      Maybe naebody is answering as they’re still waiting to see all those “Brexit” promises and bonuses being delivered…
      Can you not jist believe in Indy like you did wi yer “Brexit”?

    24. John Main says:

      @ Dan says:11 August, 2022 at 8:47 pm

      Still smarting over Brexit? There’s something about being able to send your college-age sons and daughters abroad for an easy and cheap gap year, whilst being able to employ Polish tradesmen for a fraction of the cost of a home-grown equivalent, and being able to get a carry out delivered essentially free by a smiling guy with a funny accent, that just can’t be beat.

      As it happens, I was in favour of Brexit even after I calculated it would cost me financially.

      But here’s the thing. I recognise and admit that is a deeply unpopular and minority view.

      Yet those advocates for Scots Indy, who freely admit they will vote Yes even if it impoverishes them for years, seem to believe that is a deeply popular and majority view.

      Sos, but naw.

      I try, over and over, to get the regulars on here to come up with some concrete, positive, improvements that ordinary Scots can expect to see after Indy, but all I hear is “have faith” and “look at the intangibles”.

      But you have a point of a sort, even if maybes you don’t see it. Every time somebody bangs on about what a disaster leaving the EU was/is, some Scot somewhere is thinking, “better not leave the UK then”.

    25. George Ferguson says:

      @Andy Ellis 8:45pm
      Don’t worry about it mate. I have been thinking about the cyber attacks of late and who is responsible. MI5 prefer to watch and listen so it wouldn’t be them. They don’t want people to go underground with encrypted Whats App messages. We all know by now who the SNP friendly are on this blog. What they don’t realise is we can get the information out via the Unionist media. And we know how cruel they can be. Stuart Hosie white Y pants etc. BTW if Stu wanted to enhance security I would contribute to a fund raiser. Free speech is important especially when considering the next few months. We should be able to debate without fear. Anybody want to buy 2 tickets for the UEFA Cup final going cheap.

    26. John Main says:

      Sturgeon added: “We must all focus on supporting individuals, businesses and jobs by addressing the principal root causes of the problem.”

      Hmmm. Must be a North Sea gas bonanza pending as those untapped fields and wells are brought on stream. Or Sturgeon is going to stop the war and restore gas flows from Russia. Maybes re-start the German nuclear reactors. Fast-track half a dozen nuclear power stations here. Fracking? Peat extraction? Coal mining?

      Exciting times.

    27. Derek says:

      Being a part of Europe doesn’t necessarily mean being a member of the EU, though.There’s various degrees of involvement – which GB has rejected – that may also be open to an independent Scotland.

    28. Scott says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      11 August, 2022 at 8:45 pm

      What’s my daughter got to do with it? Why would anyone in the least balanced think it was appropriate to bring her up as some rhetorical cudgel?

      It’s a direct comparison: If New Scots are Scots, which they aren’t, she must be Irish, which she isn’t.

      You couldn’t hand anyone their arse on a plate, no matter how many attempts you make, Ellis. And, your insults are meaningless, they only induce laughter.

      You never got the title of Professor, which is why you have such a hard-on for Alf Baird.

      You don’t seem to like women very much either, going by your comments here and the grudging thanks you gave to the woman who typed your thesis.

      You’ve been banned by Iain Lawson, and cry about how unfair it is.

      You’ve had posts placed in moderation, and cried about that too, even going so far as to ask the Rev (via GETTR) to just close this site down because of it.

      You are too intellectually weak to understand any of the subjects you claim to be an expert in, but here you are, despite having a blog of your own, constantly trying to enact the dreams you once had, dreams of ‘influence’ that came to fuck all.

      Poor you – the always misunderstood, never wrong.

    29. Dan says:

      @ John Main at 9.03pm

      That’s the thing though, you made your decision for you. Others may have made their decisions because they realised that a vote to leave the EU, especially when undefined, could impact them and the society in which they exist in a negative way.
      Just because you could absorb the losses doesn’t mean other individuals and more importantly businesses could.
      So you continue to push for answers to your questions before you will even think about supporting Scotland returning to self-governing status, yet you chose an undefined “Brexit” with the myriad uncertainties and variables that included.

    30. Scott says:

      Ottomanboi says:
      11 August, 2022 at 8:25 pm

      WARNING
      BigB is tracking YOU.
      https://archive.ph/IT2iw

      Thanks for that. I’ve just installed ‘Fakeboak Container’ via Firefox add-ons.

    31. robertkknight says:

      O/T…

      Anyone else getting “bad gateway” when they try to access the site? Fairly regular issue these days.

    32. George Ferguson says:

      @Dan 9:27pm
      Come on Dan a myriad of uncertainties and variables, you have made the case for the Union. The questions I got on the streets of 2014 are still unanswered. Currency, The lender of last resort, Immigration, Head of State, membership of the EU, the white paper pointed a big arrow at the Brexit vote. We still lost. An improvement of the Scot Gov performance would be a start.

    33. Alf Baird says:

      Scott @ 9:27 pm

      Yes, the colonizers perspective of the native seems ever more evident here in that, according to Professor Edward W. Said: “…it is assumed they were unable to read and respond directly to what had been written about them…and (the colonizer) presumed the natives’ incapacity to intervene in scientific discourse.”

    34. Republicofscotland says:

      This is comedy gold, as troughing SNP MP Tommy Sheppard bemoans that Labour has lost its principles, it would appear that irony isn’t lost on Sheppard or his spineless and gutless SNP MP mates who wouldn’t know what a principle was if it jumped up and bit them on the arse.

      Sheppard added that the party (Red Tories aka Labour) is headed in a worrying direction.

      “Sheppard also expressed confusion over the way in which Sarwar is refusing to entertain the idea of Scottish independence or working with the SNP.”

      More worryingly than the BLiS managers denial of an indyref in Scotland, is that of the SNP under the leadership of Sturgeon the betrayer of Scots refusing to entertain the idea of Scottish independence.

      As for heading in a wrong direction the SNP under the betrayers tenure has strayed so far off the beaten track that its unlikely to find its way back again.

      We’ve got the Blue Tories and the Red Tories, now with Sturgeon at the helm of the SNP we have the Yellow Tories as well, all that’s left is the Alba party we need to get behind them and support them.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F20612566.keir-starmer-worst-labour-leader-according-tommy-sheppard%2F

    35. George Ferguson says:

      @Republicofscotland 20:13pm
      Agreed. I don’t recognise the SNP as a party of Independence which is why I left them and have never voted for them since. The first time I was a member of the SNP we were called Tartan Tories. Just to add to the kaleidoscope of colours.

    36. Mark Boyle says:

      robertkknight says:
      11 August, 2022 at 9:50 pm

      O/T…

      Anyone else getting “bad gateway” when they try to access the site? Fairly regular issue these days.

      It’s happening frequently and contrary to the conspiracy theorists looks like a simple matter of the hosts not clearing the site cache regularly – which is what happens when internet site hosts think the owner’s aren’t paying that much attention to their site any more and so start taking the piss with routine maintenance.

      If it really was an attempt to gag WoS, why is this the longest period Stu’s been able to stay on Twitter without being banned?

    37. George Ferguson says:

      @Mark Boyle 10:25?pn
      Elon Musk? The power of Capitalism

    38. Dan says:

      @ George Ferguson at 10.03pm

      You can hijack what I said and twist it as making a case for the Union if you want. But you know the actual context of what I wrote was that John Main voted for an undefined “Brexit” yet he wants all the answers for an Indy Scotland prior to making his decision.

      Many of the answers to those questions he has about a self-governing Scotland will be for the Scottish people to decide after Indy though, and hopefully through a lens of half decent media coverage and scrutiny of detail which properly addresses each matter rather than the pack of horseshit and pish we endure with the current MSM setup.

    39. Christopher Pike says:

      Scott says:
      11 August, 2022 at 9:27 pm
      Andy Ellis says:
      11 August, 2022 at 8:45 pm

      What’s my daughter got to do with it? Why would anyone in the least balanced think it was appropriate to bring her up as some rhetorical cudgel?

      It’s a direct comparison: If New Scots are Scots, which they aren’t, she must be Irish, which she isn’t.

      You couldn’t hand anyone their arse on a plate, no matter how many attempts you make, Ellis. And, your insults are meaningless, they only induce laughter.

      You never got the title of Professor, which is why you have such a hard-on for Alf Baird.

      You don’t seem to like women very much either, going by your comments here and the grudging thanks you gave to the woman who typed your thesis.

      You’ve been banned by Iain Lawson, and cry about how unfair it is.

      You’ve had posts placed in moderation, and cried about that too, even going so far as to ask the Rev (via GETTR) to just close this site down because of it.

      You are too intellectually weak to understand any of the subjects you claim to be an expert in, but here you are, despite having a blog of your own, constantly trying to enact the dreams you once had, dreams of ‘influence’ that came to fuck all.

      Poor you – the always misunderstood, never wrong.

      —–

      Indeed, Mr Baird is a professor, which means he of all people should know that Scotland is not a colony. He is a highly eccentric and intelligent individual with bizarre theories (Scotland is colony) that would never be accepted as mainstream intellectual discourse – he should know better. That’s why he’s relegated to appearing on amateurish crap like ‘Through A Scottish Prism’ rather than more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets.

      If he’s so opposed to the English language, then he should publish all of his research in that stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish.

    40. George Ferguson says:

      @Dan 10:36pm
      It wasn’t my intention to hijack anything you said. Over one million people in Scotland voted for Brexit and a third of SNP members voted for it as well. The SNP are using it as a trope. I myself are neutral on the debate. But I would expect an IScotland to debate and have a referendum on this issue. After spending over 300 years to be become free,we are willing to join a Union with Ursulsa Von de whatever an unelected politician which you can’t get to. As bad as Nicola. A nightmare.

    41. Scott says:

      Using his own logic, if George Ferguson couldn’t answer the questions in 2014, he made the case for the union.

    42. Scott says:

      “rather than more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets.” – Pike

      You actually wrote that on a site that debunked lies in the media for a living?

      You sound like Ellis, and there’s also the attack, again, on Alf Baird.

      It’s noticeable that you chose that part of my response to Andy Endless* to focus on, rather than the substantive point.

      *h/t David, ‘Off-topic’ – https://wingsoverscotland.com/off-topic/comment-page-81/#comment-2700704

    43. Robert Hughes says:

      ” That’s why he’s relegated to appearing on amateurish crap like ‘Through A Scottish Prism’ rather than more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets.

      If he’s so opposed to the English language, then he should publish all of his research in that stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish.”

      Hahahaha . Aye , I bet Alf is just inundated with invitations to appear on intellectually superior * shows * like BBC Question Time , BBC Cat-Stuck-Up-A-Tree Jockland Evening News , *S*TV Debate ( LOL ) Night etc .

      These ” more trustworthy and mainstream media outlets ” exist solely in your constipated imagination . Try Colonial Irrigation . It might help unblock all that shite that’s causing you such discomfort around anything authentically Scottish .

      And there we have it troops , straight from the donkey’s arse ….the language of Fergusson , Burns , McDairmid amongst countless others – ” stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish ” .

      With that last you reveal yourself as total bam . Look it up in the OED . It has many meanings , one is a synonym for * prick *

    44. John Main says:

      @ Dan says:11 August, 2022 at 10:36 pm

      “You can hijack what I said and twist it as making a case for the Union if you want. But you know the actual context of what I wrote was that John Main voted for an undefined “Brexit” yet he wants all the answers for an Indy Scotland prior to making his decision.

      Many of the answers to those questions he has about a self-governing Scotland will be for the Scottish people to decide after Indy”

      Dan

      That is the second post from last night where you misrepresented or misunderstood my point.

      For every poster on here, how many readers do you think there are?

      100? 10000? Maybes, as Ruby would claim, a billion.

      They can’t all be Yes voters. So it’s not me you have to convince. It’s the majority of Scots voters who, by your own admission, didn’t vote for the uncertainty of Brexit, and won’t vote for the uncertainty of Indy.

      Telling them to “have faith” and “wait until later” just won’t cut it.

      And, in the final analysis, it’s not fucking rocket science, is it? Figures for GDP, population, government spending, industrial capacity, yadda, yadda, must all have been known and understood for decades now. Any half-competent team of bureaucrats or academics could model the Scottish economy in software, and, by playing about with the inputs and assumptions, put together convincing figures for our circumstances post-Indy.

      So, for about the trillionth time, show us the fucking money.

    45. Ruby says:

      Mark Boyle says:
      11 August, 2022 at 10:25 pm

      It’s happening frequently and contrary to the conspiracy theorists looks like a simple matter of the hosts not clearing the site cache regularly – which is what happens when internet site hosts think the owner’s aren’t paying that much attention to their site any more and so start taking the piss with routine maintenance.


      Highly suspect information.

      I’ve never heard of
      1. Websites having a cache that needs to be cleared. What is in the cache?
      2. Webhosts doing maintenance on websites.

    46. Alf Baird says:

      Christopher Pike @ 10:56 pm

      “that stupid Broons/Oor Wullie gibberish”

      How revealing is such a racist attitude towards the language and culture of an ethnic minority people within the British state of today, albeit one comprising a whole nation in itself.

      Colonialism, as we know, involves oppression of an indigenous (i.e. ethnic) native population and this includes and indeed depends on debasing their culture and language (Fanon; Memmi).

      As Albert Memmi put it:

      “Racism appears…not as an incidental detail, but as a consubstantial part of colonialism. It is the highest expression of the colonial system and one of the most significant features of the colonialist.”

    47. Andy Ellis says:

      @”Scott”

      It’s a direct comparison: If New Scots are Scots, which they aren’t, she must be Irish, which she isn’t.

      It’s not a direct comparison at all, except to someone who is being deliberately obtuse, or just isn’t following the argument. People who move to Scotland with the intent of stating here are Scots: that what the vast majority of movement, being progressive civic nationalists believe. A minority of regressive, blood and soil nationalists believe nobody who isn’t born here is a Scot.

      Reasonable people don’t attempt open windows in to people’s souls to check whether they are Scottish enough to be accepted into the “demos”.

      Someone living in a country because it’s where they are working is not the same thing as people moving to Scotland from other parts of the UK or the rest of the world with the intention of staying. We don’t police them at the border and tell them they aren’t welcome unless they support Scottish independence, any more than we argue that Scottish unionists should leave after independence is achieved. Going to work in another country temporarily is not the same thing as moving permanently.

      You purport to have represented your country as a footballer. Did you complain about anyone who wasn’t born here being selected for the team? Or were you one of the ones all the other players tried to avoid, and management tried to humour due to your “out there” views, because they knew your were an obsessive weirdo even then?

      You never got the title of Professor, which is why you have such a hard-on for Alf Baird.

      I never “sought” the title of Professor, because I was never interested in becoming an academic. you appear not to understand how Professorships work. Par for the course as we’ve seen from much of your output of course.

      Alf Baird’s positions, particularly his obsession with falsely equating the Scottish experience with colonial oppression and the Scots language, are open to criticism. As other’s have pointed out, he’s hardly representing mainstream or popular views, nor does he he have much traction in the movement. Far from having a hard-on for him, I think he’s a fringe commentator with little in the way of impact.

      You don’t seem to like women very much either, going by your comments here and the grudging thanks you gave to the woman who typed your thesis.

      More othering assertions dressed up as facts. If I’ve criticised posters on here who are female (which would be hard if not impossible to know given most of the nativists are understandably keen to guard their anonymity lest they be publicly scorned for their regressive views) it has nothing to do with their sex.

      You’ve brought up the – frankly rather odd – claim that I was grudging in thanks to the woman who typed my thesis over 30 years ago before. It isn’t true in the least of course, and appears to be based on failures in your reading comprehension. The lady concerned was a friend and work colleague: my then employer allowed her to type up my thesis on work time and equipment. I also gave her a decent fee for her efforts.

      How any of this amounts to evidence of me not liking women much will be beyond the ken of reasonable folks….but we know you’re not “reasonable folks” don’t we “Scott”? You’re just some anonymous ned on the internet with too much time on their hands, and fairly obvious personality issues.

      You’ve been banned by Iain Lawson, and cry about how unfair it is.

      Lawson has form for not allowing criticism BTL on his blog, however moderately expressed. He did it to both Rev Stu and myself. Like most nativists, he’s only really interested in engaging with other fringe nutters in their Brigadoon People’s Front echo chamber. I’m not crying about it at all: I think it’s pretty pathetic and indicative of how weak their case actually is. People get very prickly when it’s pointed out their pet theories have negligible support.

      You’ve had posts placed in moderation, and cried about that too, even going so far as to ask the Rev (via GETTR) to just close this site down because of it.

      That was due to the sudden and unexplained addition of certain words to the pre-modding list. I did indeed take to GETTR, and emailed Stu on here about it. I was hardly alone expressing a view it was the wrong thing to do, but it’s Stu’s site and he can do what he wants. If I recall others, including some of the moonhowlers also complained. A few even announced they were going to stop posting, but soon appeared back…odd that, eh?

    48. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Alf Baird –

      Perhaps what Christopher Pike fails to realise (or knows full well but feigns otherwise) is that what ‘we’ as Scots think doesn’t really matter anyway. We can be as genial or hateful as we all feel individually (and that can vary from day to day depending on circumstances) but it makes no difference.

      What matters is how ‘they’ see us – because they’re in charge – and there’s no doubt that the English Establishment both hates and fears us.

    49. Ruby says:

      John Main says:
      For every poster on here, how many readers do you think there are?

      100? 10000? Maybes, as Ruby would claim, a billion.

      Another weird question from ‘Their John’.

      Lets say he means over the last month. All you would need to do is count up the number of unique posters (not that many) and divide it by the number of unique visitors to Wings (info provided by Stu) and you would get a rough figure.

      Whether or not all these visitors are reading the posts and not just the article would have to be guess work. My guess is they are not. My guess would be the number of people reading the posts is equal to the number of posters. That would only be a rough guess because it is highly possible that a lot of posters do not read all the posts.

    50. Ruby says:

      Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
      6 July, 2022 at 12:48 pm

      Andy Ellis, Ruby: if either of you ever mentions the other by name (including any “clever” ways of doing so indirectly) again in any context whatsoever you’re banned. Clear? Not comment deleted, not pre-moderation, banned.

      I have HAD ENOUGH of this fucking playground shit.

      I’m very restricted in what I can say because of the above message.

    51. Ruby says:

      If you thought someone was the scum of the earth & the nuttiest nutter of fringe nutters on the nutty fringe would you spend time trying to explain yourself to that person?

      Would you care what that person thought?



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