Lovebombing on the cheap
The Sun’s editions on both sides of the border today go in heavy with the results of a YouGov poll showing a dramatic turnaround in the percentage of English (and Welsh) people who want Scotland to leave the UK.
Or at least, SOME of the results.
You can read the text of the Scottish Sun article here, and the English one here. But there’s one aspect of the poll, visible on the paper’s toe-curling graphic above, which for some inexplicable reason doesn’t make it into the Scottish version of the story.
Because while a majority of those south of the border now want Scotland to stay, just 13% of them are prepared to pay the price of the higher per-head public spending Scotland gets. (Which we all know is more than paid for by oil and gas revenues, a fact confirmed in bald and unambiguous language by the Financial Times yesterday.)
In other words, if the Barnett Formula for government funding is to continue, the poll’s findings reverse in quite spectacular fashion. The people of England and Wales are more than happy to have Scotland in the UK so they can keep taking the oil money, but if Scots want to keep getting 70% of it back in spending then by a margin of almost five to one our brothers and sisters in the United Kingdom family reckon we can sod off, and try not to let the door hit us on the arse on the way out.
That current Barnett funding won’t survive much past the 2015 election is now beyond even a tiny shred of rational doubt. The people of the rest of the UK are absolutely clear about it, the media and commentators back them, senior politicians of every party (including David Cameron) have said it, and Scottish Labour MPs know it.
So when those same Scottish Labour MPs tell you to vote No, be aware that they know full well exactly what it is they’re telling you to vote for – a future where Scotland is robbed of billions of pounds of its own money, over and above the subsidy we’ve already been sending to Westminster for the last 30 years.
We’re sure the penny will drop with the Scottish media any day now.
I think we’re all speechless.
We in Scotland aren’t given an accurate picture by the media, so is it any wonder that people in rUK are similarly or worse misled? I don’t think anyone should be surprised by these findings. People in rUK genuinely believe they have been extremely generous to people in Scotland. Sadly, a large number here believe the saame tripe.
England using Union Jack, Wales annexed, NI joined Atlantis.
When are the Scottish media going to wake up and smell the heather…?
naebd :
Qeuelle surprise
We love you – but we still want to screw you!
Quick everyone, into the lovebomb shelters and turn this up to full blast
link to youtube.com
The fact that they didn’t bother with the Welsh flag in the graphic (or polling Northern Irish at all) speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Would be interested in seeing how the results differ in Wales compared to England, or even the different regions of England.
@Susan S – I’m pretty sure that even the Shetland Islands Broadcasting Company (they do exist! @SIBC_Shetland on Twitter) are pro-union. They keep plugging Carmichael and Tavish when ever their bellies rumble. Never respond to replies on their Twitter feed either.
On the upside, going by the map it looks like we’re getting Newcastle in the negotiations.
On the upside, going by the map it looks like we’re getting Newcastle in the negotiations.
A price England was willing to pay in order to rebuild Hadrian’s Wall.
Oh dear.
Feed people inaccurate information and spin
and voila…you get the answers you were looking
for!
Same old, same old.
Taranaich says:
4 February, 2014 at 3:18 pm
The fact that they didn’t bother with the Welsh flag in the graphic (or polling Northern Irish at all) speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Would be interested in seeing how the results differ in Wales compared to England, or even the different regions of England.
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Wait.. Wales has a flag?!?! Who knew?
On the upside, going by the map it looks like we’re getting Newcastle in the negotiations.
Isle of Man too. Bonus; that’s our currency sorted.
Ireland getting the north back?
Sorry for going OT so quickly
A friend had posted up a link on Facebook that was vaguely suggestive about independence being sort of OK and a debate quickly ensued, including separate comments that we wouldn’t be able to afford to hold elections and that there is no talent worth voting for anyway.
I have always veered away from joining in these debates, but this time I jumped in with both feet and laid about me so furious I was at the too poor, too stupid arguments.
You lot have turned me into a raving cybernat!
Thank you.
The fact of not mentioning the “freebies” we enjoy in the northern versión, tell you everything about this propaganda.
This is not journalism, is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
What do the English feel about the “proud Scots” Pseudo middle class (presume they are not wanted just like the rest of us). They are a bit like the Anglo Indians in India 1947. Nobody wanted them they were used but not wanted by the English. They were not wanted by the Indians.
I’m nobodies child.
For more shite, check out Effies latest piece about the NHS on OpenUnionism.
Someone may want to take it to pieces. I don’t have a free 4 hours.
Well who knew?
They only want us for our money (sniff).
When the looks go… 😀
‘bald and unambigious’…We back to Ian Davidson again?
Worth an email to the SUN to ask why they did not give all the information, that is of course ” The SCOTTISH SUN”!!
Yiv gotta laff. It’s still beyond me why the papers continue with these pish stories everyday even after The Gov’s speech in Edinbro and the F.T.s story yesterday. But then your average Sun reader’s only there for the titties and the futba. On September 19th 2014 everyone from B.T. and the rest o the bullshitters should all be rounded up and telt they’ll be working on dualling the A9 7 days a week till it’s finished, on minimum wage. (I was gona put rounded up and shot but I dinny want the D.R. plastering my photo on their front page)
Yep ! We know that England thinks it’s Great Britain/UK. They don’t really care about Scotland or didn’t but I think some realise that we bring something to the table with the oil ! I am half English and talking to some relatives they seem to think we are just being MEAN!
O/t. Listening to Janice Forsythe show on radio Scotland. It’s a very strange show today talking about how artists feel about the referendum vote . There is a list of 100 who will vote yes which they discussed and that was good. However ther was some guy from the Herald who said something strange about the fact people seemed to think BBC Scotland was doing ok with it’s take on the referendum!!! WHAT!
@ juteman
It’s already been taken to pieces on her own blog, by Stu among others.
Plain and simple it is political interference in the democratic process of Scotland. Nothing less. Its criminal.
@Papadocx 15:32
Y’know, I was just thinking along those lines too, especially the other week when I saw Bhowani Junction on the television. It’s worth a watch if you’ve never seen it.
Stu has done his usual excellent job of analysing the implications of this poll which are overlooked, or deliberately avoided, by The Sun. It only remains for me to remark on the sickeningly infantile and despicably dishonest reaction from Better Together.
You just know that the numpties over at Project Fear HQ declared the poll “great news” without even looking at it. Much as the buffoons denounced the Scottish Government’s White Paper before they could possibly have had an opportunity to read and digest its contents. But they go on to descend into the most appallingly puerile crap.
“Even after years of hearing Salmond and Co telling them how dreadful they are and how they are to blame for every problem in the world, the people of England and Wales don’t want us to leave.”
Doesn’t it just make you want to vomit!? The blatant lies? The cloying sycophancy? The toe-curling, nose-wrinkling, stomach-churning cringe of it all?
And as if this was not sufficient to prove what a disgrace to the democratic process and an insult to the intelligence of the people of Scotland Blair McDougall and his dismal minions are, they then go on to start a sentence with the words, “Everyone knows…”. FFS! These people don’t even rank as enthusiastic amateurs!
The independence referendum is the most important decision ever to face the people of Scotland. Surely we deserve better than this!
On the upside, going by the map it looks like we’re getting Newcastle in the negotiations.
and Berwick, with all the stolen seas and oil?
JohnT – You’re welcome.
My response to lovebombing!
Go on yersell McGlashan!
link to youtube.com
Talking of absolute nonsense, has anyone seen the BP article in the Guardian? It annoyed me a tad. Not so much the American chap, he can have an opinion if he wants, (although he has taken some collateral damage) but the whole tone of the article is absolute Darling drivel.
The MSM has folk down south believing not one soul in Scotland has a job we just all wear jimmy wigs wear kilts drink the irn bru and chase deep fried marrrrrrrrsssssss baaaaaas
England wants to take ALL our revenues but not give it all back.
Now that is known as “skimming”.
On the upside, going by the map it looks like we’re getting Newcastle in the negotiations.
and Berwick, with all the stolen seas and oil?
Both sides of the Solway as well. That might make up for having to take Carlisle.
I think we all know that outwardly, Westminster has to be seen wooing Scots to vote no but inwardly, they’re going to rip the heart right out of Scotland if a no vote is gained.
David Cameron will kick off this wooing campaign with a speech in London on Friday, Cameron has urged English voters to bombards Scots with a, please stay appeal.
Surely the average Scot, will be able to see through, Cameron’s propaganda tour, as will your average English punter.
@kininvie.
Cheers. I’ll have a look when i finish work.
Aye more propaganda filled with lies from the sc*m. Who cares what people in England/Wales think, this is about Scotland and thats all that matters!
Jim T
SIBC only have 2 Directors
Ian James Douglas Anderson
& Inga Ruth Walterson
I see what you mean with their twitter feed
A No vote followed by the removal of the Barnett Formula won’t, unfortunately, lead to the widespread realisation that Scotland’s been duped – more likely it will be used to ‘confirm’ that wide-scale false belief (perpetuated by the Labour party) that Scotland has been subsidised and is too poor to go it alone.
After a No vote, with Barnett gone and without the powers to make changes to Scotland’s economy that will be needed to prepare for the future, those claiming now that it’s too risky will then be able to say they were right as Scotland declines.
The coming months are could well be the only chance to get enough people to believe that Scotland isn’t subsidised, then prove it with independence;
Sounds of utter desperation coming from the unionists by the looks of things. Since when have these turds ever given a toss about Scotland? Why do they give a toss now?…..oh let me think, the cash cow must be heading for the exit door! Its certainly not out of any concern for Scotland or the Scottish people thats for sure.
Typical brit ruse….but we aint buying it.
They only want us now as it has dawned on then that we subsidize them.
If the bias, misinformation and down right lies fed to the Scottish people by the bbc/stv/msm etc. is criminal, can we not crowd fund a private prosecution of some presenters, board room staff etc ? I’m sure it would make the others think about their actions and bring the issue to the wider public!
O/T Rev. Sorry if it already been covered.
George Galloway wants to be First Minister in an independent Scotland if we vote yes. Even though he’s desperate for Scots to vote no.
link to huffingtonpost.co.uk
Slightly O/T
Some might find the links of interest regarding the Shetland Isles
link to shetnews.co.uk
link to shetnews.co.uk
Would we ever vote for this guy to be Scotland’s First Minister, I think not, but you just have to look south and see the rise of Boris Johnson, to know its a mad,mad,world.
link to youtu.be
Why oh why are we not getting in impartial observers in from Europe? That would put a shudder down the spine of the unionist msm cabal.
The Gordon Brewer Show, featuring Newsnicht and other professional news outlets will be all over the meanings uncovered in this poll.
60% think not worth “subsidising” Scotland but are against Scotland leaving the union.
Mind you, BBC Scotland will have to form a view on the legitimacy of the poll’s findings first.
Just looked a bit more closely at that map. At a rough guess, it seems to follow the A66 from about Penrith across to just south of Durham. It appears the Sun knows as much about the North of England as it does about Scotland.
‘S all norff of Watford it don’t count innit.
@Andy-B: “George Galloway wants to be First Minister…”
That, I think, is the first hint of a “Plan B” from any unionist. When are we going to get Johann Lamont’s Plan B, Scottish Labour’s intentions following a YES vote?
Dick
I think Watford is the north for the journos at Wapping.
The penny will drop to the Scottish media – Yeah right.
There is no Scottish media… It’s all owned outside Scotland!
Jings! They’ve even given us Northumbria and half of Cumbria.
Now that’s what you call Lurve!
HandandShrimp says:
I think Watford is the north for the journos at Wapping.
You could do an ancient-style map with everything beyond the M25 marked “Here be dragons”
God help most of England once we’ve taken our leave.
“You lot have turned me into a raving cybernat!
Thank you.”
Your welcome 😉
This whole idea about England ‘lovebombing’ Scotland is a complete copy of the tactics used by the Canadian Government, to try to prevent Quebec independence. The vote was lost by less than 1%, although, Quebec now has autonomy that almost equates to what we call devo max, anyway. However, that was then, in 1995, when the internet was in its infancy, and state media ruled.
Now here, in 2014, Better together and their English Tory funders, want to use ‘lovebombing’ like they did in Canada, but they have not clicked yet, that this is NOT 1995, and people can now access facts on the internet, even if the state broadcaster (BBC) tells lies.
The other and i think often overlooked point is this, although London unionists tell each other Scottish independence is about being anti English, we all know it is in fact about being anti-Westminster rule. You see, English people can tell me they love Scotland as much as they want, but it doesn’t matter. It’s Westminster rule which I despise, not the English people or England.
So, my message to better together is go ahead, get lots of nice English people to come up and tell us they love us. It’ll make us feel all warm and fuzzy, but won’t make the blindest bit of difference, as the independence vote is about ending Westminster rule, not hating the English.
As usual, better together have not given due thought to any of this, they have heard of Quebec, and thought “that’s what we’ll do”, but like I said at the beginning, that was 1995, this is 2014. It truly is a wholly different world.
Here’s Ian Duncan Smith showing his true colours, by hinting that most ring fenced benefits for pensioners, are to be reviewed, in the near future. Are there no depths this man won’t go to.
link to dailymail.co.uk
Sorry Stuart, should read all comments before opening edit box. :”>
I so wanted to try and avoid George Galloways latest self-publicity offerings but I finally caved in. It was actually worth it just to confirm he still talks utter nonsense.
“I don’t believe in breaking countries up as I think we have too many countries in the world, not too few,” he said. “The Irish people were denied their right to unity and independence. The Scottish people never have been, and could have voted for independence at any time that they liked in the whole era of universal suffrage of nearly 100 years.
“People say that they want Scotland to have self-determination but they have self-determination, and always have, and will exercise that self-determination again in September. If it chooses to become independent then it will become independent, but I think it would rue the day.”
Andy – B,
The sad fact is Labour will probably agree with him, and then promise to be even harder on benefits.
“George Galloway wants to be First Minister in an independent Scotland if we vote yes. Even though he’s desperate for Scots to vote no.”
Don’t know how he’s going to contrive a catharsis like that, the road to Damascus isn’t too safe these days, even if he does know it well.
Is it worth continuing to give Scotland a higher share of public spending to keep it part of the UK? No – 60%.
Bang goes Labour’s ‘ideas’/’claims’ of ‘pulling and sharing resources’; this is what comes of siding with the Tories and helping perpetuate the myth that people are getting something they don’t deserve or seem to need – in this case risking animosity in England and lack of self belief in Scotland in order to try to stop the SNP and independence.
Another reason to vote for independence: it’ll be easier to fit Shetland on maps, since we won’t have that big dingleberry hanging out the bottom of Scotland.
So, the message is now clear, vote NO and the Scottish budget will be cut by 28% almost overnight.
Honestly, voting YES is such a no-brainer, once you get the facts.
Dick
“God help most of England once we’ve taken our leave.”
Well they say ‘God helps those who help themselves’ so maybe they’ll ‘Think on’ to use an appropriately Northern expression.
what you are seeing is two years worth of hatchet work on Scotland’s sense of itself and its contribution to the Union.
I always felt that there would be a price to paid for constantly talking of dependency. That there would be consequences of pushing the idea that the union was some sort benefit, that Scotland was simply a recipient of.
The corrosive effects of all that negativity was going to lead to something bad happening to the Union. What is the point of talking about commonalities of identity, when you had to scare someone into accepting it. Whatever made them think they could push this line, and not have it effect how others in the UK saw us?
The only thing the no camp has succeeded in doing, is to convince English voters, that Scotland & its people are nothing more than skivers. Its actually tearing down the union around their heads, and they not the wit to see it. Even if they win, the union loses. All that bile and all that division is not going to wash away.
There is none so blind as those that will not see.
John T
Re your comments. My son and I were having a row about the Referendum and he said that I have become a fundamentalist !!
I have since calmed down and realised that I AM a FUNdamaentalist.
The Unionists are people who only see what they will lose with Independence. We, the Yes side, only see what we can gain. I would much rather be positive than negative. We are definitely the ones with the sense of humour, keep it up.
Two prizes in the post today, Proud Cybernat Badges and Wings Car stickers.
Doug
“Another reason to vote for independence: it’ll be easier to fit Shetland on maps, since we won’t have that big dingleberry hanging out the bottom of Scotland.”
Or we could just adopt the inverse beeb map methodology.
David Agnew
“two years”? Its been going on for decades. Really got started after the Scottish media purge following the 70’s scare.
Chic McGregor says:
Well they say ‘God helps those who help themselves’ so maybe they’ll ‘Think on’ to use an appropriately Northern expression.
I fear it’ll be the English equivalent of, “Lord, Lord we didnae ken”
OT – I apologise to those not of a literary bent but I’ve come across another Scottish-poet-that-I’ve-never-heard-of.
J.G. Horne, borders poet, writing in 1936, at the beginning of the Scottish cultural revival. If he was writing today, he would add oor modern politicians an’ their fause fiddlins.
Scots dictionary link for those Scots words
link to dsl.ac.uk
“What’s Wrang wi Scotland?”
By diagnoses,
Threeps an’ doses
To mend oor ways
Or end oor days;
By hint an’ dint to auld an’ young,
By crackin whip an’ lashin tongue;
By girnin gool
An’ ridicule;
By glintin roon’ an’ takin stock
O’ a’ oor literary brock-
Oor modern drama, maistly driddlins
Oor modern music, dreepy diddlins,
Wi ilka sang
(The words an’ a’)
A replica
O a’ the duddy gang;
By haudin up the keekin-gless
To shame oor pookit skultieness,
An’ single oot,
Ayont the scarrow o’ a doot,
Oor fauts an’ sins
An’ wanderins;
By missionings
An’ visionings;
Wi trumpet-blare
As at a fair,
An’ whiles wi scaddin blast
In Rhadamanthine cast:
By ilk string stent,
By ilk shot sent,
Frae ilk bow bent,
Fain wad they gar us see
For a’ oor self-complacency,
That trees an’ nations canna last
Whase roots are only in the past.
O/t. Just sent radio Scotland another text ! This time about missing a TOP story !
No mention of the Con/Dems not allowing the initiative from SNP /Labour to axe the hated BEDROOM TAX . It’s absolutely outrageous !
I think the BBC will continue being completely biased right up until Sept 18 th . Something has to be done and QUICKLY !
@Susan S – has become abundantly clear that we don’t have a Scottish Media ( except online – and even Wings is “controlled & broadcast” from Bath 🙂 )
Does anyone have thoughts on the value of running an online petition to asking to replace all BBC Scotland News TV & Radio with an alternative source. I’m guessing it would need to be to WM, perhaps using 38 Degrees, since Broadcasting is yet another “reserved matter”.
It can certainly be demonstrated from:
– the BBC Trust judgement;
– WSU bias report;
– the bullying response and failure to communicate the report;
– and the blatant story manipulation this week;
that this BBC Department is unable to fulfil its charter obligations to the people of Scotland.
Could even be something like the Radio 4 Broadcasts – at least you know what your getting there; they don’t have links to SLAB and anyway think of the money to be saved from us not needing to have Jim N. join us with the Devo Team for 2 days a week.
Who says the Scots aren’t looking to cut spending to help avoid austerity forever – they could even keep that bit !
Ming Campbell on BBC Radio Scotland giving the Lib/dem Jam tomorrow case. Getting an easy time of it too. Asked about his jam tomorrow promises being written down and agreed along with those of the other unionists to be set before the people he baulked and said didn’t need to until after the vote. aaagh!
Checking my souffle at the time in the oven it collapsed!
🙁
REV, thats two night,s ave no been in ma bed,ave hud
8 hoors sleep in two day,s, am begingin tae thunk your
deyin that deliberatly,ya ur urent ye.
“8 hoors sleep in two day,s”
Lightweight.
After we leave they will frack to Australia, they are so desperate for tax revenue. It will become ever more feverish if Scotland vote yes. Let them do it, we will get by fine.
Keith Brown transport minister, saying that up to 50.000 jobs could be created over 2 years on infrastructure, in an independent Scotland, which at present is currently hindered by Westminster.
link to heraldscotland.com
@Susan S
“When are the Scottish media going to wake up and smell the heather”…?
As others have said there is no Scottish media. There is media in Scotland. However, it views Scotland through the eyes of the British establishment. They are fully on board with the deception of saying a No vote is for more powers. BBC Scotland is essentially a post colonist service, which supports the Westminster side, and does no even attempt to conceal it. There is a reason why broadcasting was not devolved in 1999. We are seeing why every day.
BP operate in some dodgy places in the world whether there is uncertainty, some uncertainty, big uncertainties, quite big uncertainties, very big uncertainties involved.
I’ve heard them all in the last two hours on just the BBC Scotland radio.
Anyhoo! Where there is oil there is money!
link to bp.com
Firstly – George Galloway does talk nonsense yet he has the gift to make it somehow seem rationale. I think it make sense if you live in your own little world and that all the UK will one day adopt his vision of socialism at the same time.
He cannot accept that the majority of the English have a different value set (which is their right). However I don’t want it imposed on my country.
As for the article – This is Westminsters fault following years of propaganda against the Scots that they were subsidised by England. The problem being they managed to convince the English that this was the case.
How will Scotland look 5 years after a NO vote – It will have power devolved from Holyrood to Councils in order to weaken the parliament. It will have an “on par” per head settlement which will mean a lot less money. The extra powers devolved will be petty and token ( As Ken Macintosh put it “some power over railways or such like BUT not tax raising powers”
So we take your taxes and your resources and we give some back to you. But we don’t like it, you fat drunk slackers.
Another love bomb from the BBC
It’s all right then!
link to archive.is
I’m quite proud of myself today. I managed to stay out of the discussion among many of my ignorant imperialist coworkers. It was like they were taking it in turns reciting the project fear play book. If only I had a copy of that bingo sheet someone made.
One of the more selfish benefits that will come from you guys voting yes is it will make all these people who believed everything the right wing London press write realise they have been lied to their entire lives.
Anyway about that poll. As with other polls that apparently show the majority of ‘Englandandwales’ want Scotland to remain no they also continue to show the majority of us hate the current government, think Cameron is doing a bad job and think Milliband is doing a bad job too.
With friends like these eh?
@ Gin. I sent a E Mail to Alex Neil on Sun questioning the Bbc franchise in the Scottish Parliament & to bring that to a End,I would urge, all Winger,s to do the same,E Mail your MSP folk,s
link to i75.photobucket.com
Since the UWS report have they just given up any sort of pretense of impartiality?
Where,s channel 4 with their benifit,s st programme,Scot,s have been the biggest scrouger,s in the Uk fur over 300 yrs. Ah the Doos are comeing home tae roost. Rite who,s goat Mc Gonnagill,s dookit,sent it to the Uk gov as a token
of our shareing careing Scotland.
Mings Federalism:
Scotland gets to raise and spend all its own taxes, but we keep the oil and whisky revenues.
Do they really believe we are so stupid?
@ Les Wilson
Maybe their plan is to frack a tunnel under the North Sea to get to our oil.
Fergie35
Aye and Barnett goes too. Deal or No Deal?
I checked the back of my head this afternoon, no buttons or as Johann Lamond suggests no zips either.
I had an English man on the phone to my company and he thought it was a disgrace England wass not allowed a vote as he thought Scotland should not be allowed to make the decision by itself, I asked him if he felt the abusive husband had a right to decide whether his wife should be allowed to divorce him, he went off muttering about bloody chippy scots,
This just widnae have got in when Kelvin was editor, he knew how to lovebomb Scotland alright
@ronnie anderson
I’ve done as you suggested Ronnie and sent an email to Rod Campbell complaining about BBC bias and pointing out the report by Dr John Robertson of the University of the West of Scotland .
September is coming,panic is rising.vote yes.
Here,s another thought !
If you only have freeview TV , and probably those hard up can only afford freeview TV , your only news options are BBC , STV , Channel 4 etc .( all biased against the yes side )
Those that can afford it can watch Aljazeera , RT , CNN etc
We are continually bombarded with unfavourable stories against the yes side , so it that not against our human rights ? Those people with freeview can’t just switch over !
@msean says:
September is coming,panic is rising.vote yes.
Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career.
Choose Cybernattin’. Choose our Pound. Choose big things.
Choose any filling station that’s not BP.
Choose hope. Choose a future.
Choose Scotland.
Choose YES
Flower of Scotland:
So, here’s a hypothetical question – we know due to recent analysis that on the main Scottish channels there’s roughly a 3:2 bias against Yes. What do you think the bias is south of the border, or in Wales or Northern Ireland? Any chance it’ll be as ‘good’ as 3:2 for Yes? They’re even more heavily brainwashed than us.
@ Flower of Scotland, gd man wee Alex sent me a reply,ah think at some point it will be mentioned at FMQs,later on
in the debate.
Found this article on the BBC.
Obviously the Union Jack could no longer be used for certain things like Tean GB in the Olympics or for other British Institutions. Hence here are some funny attempts when trying to establish what flag would have to be used or new ones redesigned. Lol
link to bbc.co.uk