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ScottieDog

First class!

Clootie

What a great representation of Brexit. 🙂

IZZIE

Someone rescue that lion!

Fillofficer

Exactly

Robert Louis

Cruelty to Hamish.

Tom

Why aren’t these on the front page of the newspapers (By the way I know the answer)

Robert Peffers

The Lion’s been telling you something for years. When did you last have your ears tested?

Can we send that Cairn’s cartoon to the EU parliament?
Nice one Chris

DavyS

Sums it up perfectly Chris. Time for us all to plan a way to get Hamish out of there

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Breeks

I watched a video from Ireland marking the 100 year commemoration of the 21 January 1919, the day the First Dáil convened in Ireland, and the same day two RIC policemen were shot at Soloheadbeg. Poignant stuff. Photographs. Video testimony. Plaques and headstones. History in the raw.

When Scotland is Independent, there will be a National museum and gallery recording the process and how it all transpired. In that gallery, there will be similarly poignant stuff, photographs, testimony, plaques and all, and also a wall full of these Chris Cairns cartoons. Visitors to that gallery 100 years from now, will look at the pictures and understand everything they need to know about Scotland’s political emancipation from the Union.

First class Chris. First class.

winifred mccartney

Ditto with Breeks, thanks Chris for keeping us sane and letting us realise we are not the mad, bad ones. TM thinks she can have 3 or 4 votes but the rest of us can only have one. WM is still living in the past thinking they are the colonial masters and everyone will dance to their tune. They don’t want everyone to be equal they believe they are superior and don’t realise they are now the emperor with no clothes. We will not be bullied and treated as slaves any longer. IndyRef2 cannot come soon enough.

yesindyref2

I think Hamish is going to need a good wash down after escape.

Nurse!

manandboy

Yet another wonderful cartoon, Chris. Well done!

The British Establishment has been and still is a criminally corrupt institution from its inception. The UK Government is its first line of defence, Theresa May is the Duty Officer.

The UK is simply a rotten apple, particularly at its a Westminster/Establishment core.

Scotland, it is time to divorce the Kingdom of England.

manandboy

link to thetimes.co.uk

A quick response from Donald Tusk, reminding Theresa May & her Government of who is boss in Europe.

Morgatron

My God, what an ugly baby and no one likes to see or hear a brat behaving badly,it needs its arse skellped! Beautiful cartoon though Chris.

yesindyref2

OT
Shocking really. BBC saying “England, Wales and Ireland all have a chance to win”.

But Wales are on 16 points, England 15 and Ireland 14. So it should be “Wales, England and Ireland …”.

Par for the course, frankly.

Sharny Dubs

The bad Brexit baby, brill Chris!!

Cheered up my Saturday no end. On to Twickenham!!

dom

And the latest from Nigel Farage is that he is going to walk from Sunderland to London in protest at the result of the Referendum being ignored.

Here was me thinking it was a UK wide vote.

So why not start your march in Scotland Nigel?

link to chroniclelive.co.uk

John Jones

Scotland? Scotland? Wear the fox hat!

X_Sticks

A wonderfully apt too as always Chris. And what we can’t see, but are going to find out about, is that he’s sitting in a nappy full of bull shit.

The plan is still to crash out. Everything else is just timewasting and distraction until the inevitable happens which is that on the 29th March we crash out of the EU BY LAW. Nothing has altered that as yet. Nothing Westminster has done will prevent that happening.

13 days to go.

Encouraging words from Ian and Mhairi this week. I hope they have a plan.

S. Perspective

This has to be the best yet – and words couldn’t put better what is going on in Westminster.

manandboy

This is powerful and enlightening stuff from someone you might not expect to take this view. link to t.co

But just remember, the figure depicted in the high-chair as a spoiled child, is in reality part of a corrupt and murderous regime – the UK Government /Establishment.

Craig P

Love this one Chris!

robertknight

The spoiled child would be more accurately portrayed standing on the chair, applying the contents of a overfilled nappy all over our Hamish – demonstrating for all to see what is usually termed ‘Normal Service’.

Ken500

Foreign students to have the right to stay in the UK for longer after they graduate to growth the economy. (but not in Scotlabd?). More depopulation of Scotland. Westminster style.

The Westminster liars have used foreign students nos. (fully funded bring monies and benefits to the economy). They have used foreign student nos to falisify the migration figures. The cone to study and leave, but now Westminster is giving themtome to stay lower to help the economy. A complete opposite policy to the hysterical migrant nonsense. Causing hardship, strife and unneccessary expense for so many prople. Just ridiculous and illegal.

It is the foreign students being included that exaggerate the migrant figures. Now thin on the ground, The ‘surplus’ mainly is increased by foreign student numbers. 217,000. Take out these number. It is 68,000 less Take away ‘protected status’ number ie refugees etc. 18,000. Including 8,000 refugees. (Including 1000 people from Libya). After the UK blew the Muddle East to bits causing the biggest migrant crisis in Europe since 11WW. Therefore has responsibility to help and aid survivors.

The figure left is 50,000. Consider the ebb and flow. A minuscule number of no significance in the grand scheme of things in a population of 62.5Million. They could easily be integrated. There are less people coming from the EU. The lowest figure since 2009. More are coming from the rest of the world ie Asia. So essential workers are now coming from Asia instead of people on the doorstep from the EU. Just another senseless manipulation for political monetary gain by a handful of delusional people in Westminster. The unscrupulous deluded Brexiteers. Trying to halt advancement for people and ruin the economy causing hardship for people. Total imbeciles.

dakk

Classic Chris. Pure genius.

Ken500

@ 68,000 number left. Not ‘less’ predicted text.

Annoying app steaming. Bill Gates, the richest man, from fraudulent activity.

HandandShrimp

So fed up with Brexit and the clowns in Westminster. I’m ready to roll on Scottish independence the moment the starting gun is fired.

Ken500

Good grief @ Douglas Murray ‘Bloody Sunday’ account. .

The deluded right wing? If the same named person. Or just a coincidence.

The tide is turning.

Scot Finlayson

British John Bull might be happily soiling himself and throwing a/an hysterical hissy fit but is still keeping a very tight grip on his favourite toy Hamish,

apt metaphor Chris.

BrianW

Very apt cartoon. Sums up events & UK behaviour beautifully.

Abulhaq

The masjid murders in Christchurch are wicked and have rightly received headline coverage in the English language media.
Sadly, it is not the case when Christians in Islamic states or states with Muslim citizens are killed. News items of the kind are generally not headline. 40+ plus were killed and many injured in an Jihadist attack on a mostly Catholic village in Kaduna state Nigeria last month. I have found no reporting of the event in main English media.
It has been normative for Christian places of worship to be protected by armed soldiers in the ME for decades, as a child I remember the big guns and bored faces well. Even that has not been enough to deter the zealous. The Christchurch attack by a social media fantasist has had the effect of increasing fear of retaliation among Christians thousands of miles away. Alas, no event occurs in isolation, certainly not in our brave new social media networking world.

Dorothy Devine

How I hope that lion is ready to spring !

meanwhile keep up the chat at bus stops , in shops where ever there are ears to listen – no waiting for the starting gun.

OT but stamps are going to increase in price by 3p this coming week – the 20th I think – so if you use them and need them get them in!

galamcennalath

Superb!

Aye, but you’ll notice Bully isn’t throwing out Hamish – firm grip on him!

auld highlander

He’s sh1t scared to let his wee pal go.

Calum McKay

It’s ok for Mrs May to have as many votes as she wants no matter how heavily defeated she is!

But the rest of us …………….

Meanwhile the other cheek of that unionist arse, Mr Corbyn, he more or less shares the same opinion as Mrs May.

Moreover, both tories and labour have thrown Scotland under the brexit bus, while the bbc and others rattle bushes elsewhere to distract Scots attention.

Thank goodness this week Keith Brown has finally complained to the bbc of their coverage of Scotland by the bbc, more of this, highlighted it frequently / every occurrence, keep it in the mind of the public!

One_Scot

Lol, the two wee teeth.

McBoxheid

yesindyref2 says:
16 March, 2019 at 8:40 am

OT
Shocking really. BBC saying “England, Wales and Ireland all have a chance to win”.

But Wales are on 16 points, England 15 and Ireland 14. So it should be “Wales, England and Ireland …”.

Par for the course, frankly.
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Scot Finlayson says:
16 March, 2019 at 9:40 am

British John Bull might be happily soiling himself and throwing a/an hysterical hissy fit but is still keeping a very tight grip on his favourite toy Hamish,

apt metaphor Chris.
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galamcennalath says:
16 March, 2019 at 10:07 am

Superb!

Aye, but you’ll notice Bully isn’t throwing out Hamish – firm grip on him!
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@yesindyref2
The London bubble, the BBC’S only concern will always put ingerlund first and foremost. No mention of Scotland, even if it about mentioning how Glorious England will put them in their place, and I sincerely hpoe that Scotland win. Another case of marginalising Scotland and ignoring them as if we don’t exist.
@the ither twa
Well spotted and beautifully crafted Chris. “Why are you not listening to me. I wan’t, I wan’t, I wan’t”, say’s John Bull holding firmly to his prized possession and in abject fear of loosing it.

call me dave

Jings! Not much wriggle room for Hamish. But soon I hope

Great summation of where we are.

Truth

I can smell a dirty great backstop as well.

Jockanese Wind Talker

1936 Jarrow March: People march from Jarrow, N Tyneside to London in protest against poverty & unemployment.

2019 People from Sunderland, NE England (think Nissan etc.) & FaRadge (no typo) march from Sunderland to London to protest in support of Brexit and to drive themselves into greater poverty and increase unemployment in their area.

Bonkers.

Brian Doonthetoon

2019 March for Scottish independence in Berlin, now live.

link to facebook.com

link to livestream.com

X_Sticks

@BDtT

Beat me to it:

@liveIndyScot Livestreaming “Germans for Scottish Independence March” Live now link to tinyurl.com

chicmac

Baby’s waiting for some magical solution to the Good Friday agreement. One might say a Good Fairy agreement, but I don’t see Junckers donning a tutu anytime soon.

Dr Jim

That’s a drawing of Tom Harris as a baby

dom

I just heard that today the English BritNats will play host to their counterparts north of the border, who are called the Scottish BritNats, where they will chase each other about a field trying to take an egg shaped ball from each others arms.

It’ll never catch on,,,IMHO

A sport that involves sticking your head up your teammates arse should be avoided st all costs.

McBoxheid

dom says:
16 March, 2019 at 11:19 am

I just heard that today the English BritNats will play host to their counterparts north of the border, who are called the Scottish BritNats, where they will chase each other about a field trying to take an egg shaped ball from each others arms.

It’ll never catch on,,,IMHO

A sport that involves sticking your head up your teammates arse should be avoided st all costs.
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And you are talking out of yours Dom. Look back a few posts and stop talking daft shite

SilverDarling

@DrJim

I’ve just listened to Tom Harris on Shereen’s show bemoaning the relived pain of the IndyRef. They were reviewing the IndyRef documentary. Despite being on the winning side he reiterated his side got so much more abuse so it was more painful. Maybe so.

It strikes me it was so painful for a lot of No’s because they were going against instinctively what was right. They were actively seeking out reasons to denigrate their own country’s ability to manage itself and by implication its people.

No wonder he can’t bear to revisit it. It’s a wonder he can sleep at night.

Liam

dom says:
16 March, 2019 at 8:44 am

And the latest from Nigel Farage is that he is going to walk from Sunderland to London in protest at the result of the Referendum being ignored.

Exept he’s not. He’s only walking a bit of the way. Sometimes. When there are cameras about.

link to metro.co.uk

Not that anyone else doing the route will be walking all the way either. They will be be bussed each night, from wherever they feel like giving up, to 30 miles further down the road to their next overnight accommodation.

If they don’t die along the way.

A spokesman from the Ramblers Association – I can’t find the quote – was doubtful that 20 miles a day for so long was really doable for the average sedentary gammon.

Welsh Sion

Wish us luck for the Grand Slam (even though it will be at the expense of your Goidelic brothers and sisters) as we wish you all the best against your (and our, and indeed, many others’) Old Enemy.

geeo

‘Uncle’ Tom Harris is only bitter about 2014 because he personally paid the price with his cushy job, a job he will never get back.

‘Winning’ the indyref was supposed to keep Harris and Co, in jobs for life.

galamcennalath

SilverDarling says:

it was so painful for a lot of No’s because they were going against instinctively what was right

I am certain that is/was true for a percentage. Many NOs were torn between what they felt was best for their (and their families) finances and security … and what was the right thing. They were looking for excuses to vote NO. They put themselves before the collective good.

Their pain comes from making that difficult decision. Especially if they now see it as the wrong decision for their future security!

While they have reservations about having to face it all again, hopefully the morally right decision will also be the best one for security i.e. Yes!

Dr Jim

We live in a country that has been taken over by people from another country who call themselves *British* and we’re unhappy about that so we say we’d like a vote on separating ourselves from that country who call themselves *British* and the *British* people say NO you’ve already had that and the Scots voted to remain in our *British country* that we have taken over

The Smith Commission was a system the *British* people devised as a bribe so Scots wouldn’t want to separate again and to allow Scots to decide which powers they wanted devolved to Scotland and it’s parliament, but then the *British* gave themselves unanimously three votes to two on that Commission by including three *British* political parties who voted against those powers being delivered to Scotland, and the *British* people said that was fair and just

In the Scottish parliament one of the Scottish parties (the SNP) is the government of Scotland while the three *British* parties are the opposition, in that parliament the job of the three *British* parties is to oppose and attempt to repeal every decision taken by the Scottish parties of which there are only two (the SNP and Green party) on some occasions this has been successful by the *British* parties

The most popular party in Scotland are the Scottish National party who are Scottish and in percentage terms around 40% next are the *British* Conservative party on around 23% followed by the *British Labour party on around 18%, The *British* Liberal Democrat party are in last place in the Scottish parliament with around 4 or 5% of voters favouring them so the balance of power in Scotland is held by the fourth position party the Scottish Green party who make up the difference

The percentages fluctuate from time to time so are not 100% accurate, the point being that in Scotland we have a parliament supposed to work for Scotland yet the *British* make sure they keep themselves firmly anchored in Scotland so that they can make sure it does not

The position of speaker in the Scottish parliament is called the presiding officer and that position is occupied by a representative of the *British* Labour party who is also a member of an organisation called *Scotland in Union* which is a *British* organisation who’s mission is to not allow Scotland to ever decide anything political for itself

In Westminster the SNP are considered a Scottish party and everything possible is done to make sure they are not supported in anything they say or do and the *British* media is employed to assist in that, now if the *British* parties in Holyrood were treated like that there would be screams of discrimination and racism and anti Englishness

The *British* deck is so heavily stacked in favour of themselves in order to convince the electorate in Scotland that *British* and *English* is the same thing so any word or deed against *Britishness* is seen as anti Englishness because at every turn this is used as a stick to beat Scotland with in an attempt to have the electorate view the Scottish National party as anti English and NOT what they actually are at all, which is Pro Scottish

Dorothy Devine

Welsh Sion , good luck and may the best team win .

But St Patrick may take a hand in the result.

SilverDarling

@galamcennalath

Also, there was a fear of what the British state would do to us. Some people foolishly believed the British state to be competent and well thought of in the wider world and by turning our backs on them we would be isolated.

That is all gone now. We see them for what they are, pathetic lying bullies protecting their delusion of an empire.

Grouse Beater

A spoilt brat, nice image, Chris. Be of good cheer, snowing here.

Your essential weekend reading:

In the Mold of Sturgeon: link to wp.me
Good story, soft centre: link to wp.me

Dr Jim

@Silver Darling

Yes Shereen is very *British* so Baby Tom Harris is a regular on her chat programme, then you have Angela Haggerty who originally claimed to support YES and who now supports *Who’s paying me to say stuff and where do I collect the cash*

Tom Harris is also a favourite of STV news programmes as well for his political insight into his regular answers that include *I just don’t know*

Tom Harris a man who led a political campaign in Scotland to remove us from the EU with *I just don’t know what’s going to happen*

You would think this is a man of whom you wouldn’t want to ask questions, but let’s ask Tom Harris what he doesn’t know

Unionists or British Nationalists call them what you will have drifted into their own world of insanity but become ever so offended if anybody notices it

Cubby

Dr Jim@12.35pm

Excellent post. Always worth telling it exactly how it is.

The only point I would add is that with regards to your comments on the Vow/ Smith commission you could have also pointed out that the referee LORD Smith is British as well. So in summary the Smith commission had a referee who was British and there were 3 British parties outvoting two Scottish parties and a Presiding Officer who is British. Hardly meets any definition of fair and balanced. It’s not surprising you never hear any Britnats raising the subject of the Vow/Smith Commission. Just another Britnat pockle.

Welsh Sion

Indeed, Dorothy Devine.

Let’s hope he’s on the side of his fellow Brythons … 😉

Phronesis

Sunderland hasn’t really benefitted from the internal domestic politics of Britain (nothing to do with the EU) which tends to ignore anything north of the Watford Gap.

‘The Sunderland population experiences a higher level of social and economic disadvantage than the England average and there is a strong link between high levels of socioeconomic disadvantage and poor health. The English Indices of Deprivation 2015 are based around seven domains: income, employment, health, education, crime, barriers to housing and living environment. They show that 38% of the Sunderland population live in areas that are among the 20% most disadvantaged across England…

As discussed in the previous section of this report, these are important causes of poor health and premature death in Sunderland. In addition, it has been shown that the effect of long-term exposure to air pollution on mortality is most closely associated with levels of fine particulate matter (PM2.5). Recently published data identifies Sunderland as having, alongside Middlesbrough, one of the highest fraction of mortality attributable to particulate air pollution in the North East at 3.7, although this is has been decreasing and is lower than the national average of 4.726. A recent report has identified that an effect on mortality equivalent to 143 deaths at typical ages in Sunderland could be attributed to human-made PM2.5 air pollution27’

link to sunderland.gov.uk

‘Four companies are planning experimental UCG projects that pose as greater threat to the people of the North East as the gas fields fracking companies want to drill elsewhere in the UK’
link to frack-off.org.uk

British politics can never recover from the betrayal of Brexit- it is time for Scotland’s citizens to March to Leave –in the opposite direction. Towards a frack-free future as an outward looking inclusive society that represents a balanced, localised democracy. Independent and making its own way in a globalised world.

manandboy

We can all see clearly the planks in Westminster’s eye. But at the same time, we in Scotland must try to honestly acknowledge, and eradicate the specks in our own. Independence will surely be a pretty steep learning curve for us all.

Abulhaq 16 March, 2019 at 9:42 am

Unpopular and unwelcome as this excellent comment of yours will be in large swathes of both Scotland and the rest of the UK , Abulhaq, it is nevertheless important, in an ambitiously inclusive Scotland, that statements like yours be repeated as often as possible. To that end,

“The masjid murders in Christchurch are wicked and have rightly received headline coverage in the English language media.
Sadly, it is not the case when Christians in Islamic states or states with Muslim citizens are killed. News items of the kind are generally not headline. 40+ plus were killed and many injured in an Jihadist attack on a mostly Catholic village in Kaduna state Nigeria last month. I have found no reporting of the event in main English media.

(Ed) It has been normative for Christian places of worship to be protected by armed soldiers in the Middle East (Ed.) for decades, as a child I remember the big guns and bored faces well. Even that has not been enough to deter the zealous. The Christchurch attack by a social media fantasist has had the effect of increasing fear of retaliation among Christians thousands of miles away. Alas, no event occurs in isolation, certainly not in our brave new social media networking world.”(edited)

McBoxheid

Let us hope that all our rugby teams play well and England gets 50 against them. Good luck to Scotland, Ireland and Wales and hard luck to England. I wouldn’t want it said that I’m not inclusive. winky thing

SilverDarling

Ousted politicians who regularly appear to provide comment, are an interesting bunch. As time goes by they obviously have decreasing relevance.

I wonder if all these appearances are quid pro quo for the leaks and tittle-tattle they provided when serving as MPs? Shereen’s show is such a lame and superficial vehicle to cover the big events. To be one of the regulars is really not a compliment. Although to be fair it covers stuff on the TV too…

I must admit I hadn’t listened for a while but it seemed as if it was the same show from 2 or even 3 years ago. Politics and current affairs for those of nervous or incurious disposition.

McBoxheid

WRT the cartoon, I note that Hamish is pristine in his cleanliness. Representing the SNP MPs being the only party that is actually doing its job?

Dr Jim

@Cubby 1.10pm

Lord Smith now how could I have forgotten our Great *British*
impartial arbitrator and isn’t it strange how the last six letters of arbitrator sound familiarly like something else

I just noticed that

Giving Goose

Did I see something about the LibDems (Paedos protectors) blocking an Indy Ref?

Welsh Sion

Now, now McBoxheid, you know as well as I do that *both* SNP and Plaid Cymru are the only Parties doing their job properly.

Another reason to maintain my Membership of both.

SilverDarling

@McBoxheid

So many layers to Chris’s cartoons. They deserve revisiting a few times to get the full benefit.

geeo

@giving goose.

I doubt it, since nobody can stop us holding an indyref.

Why is this a difficult concept to grasp ?

Robert Peffers

@winifred mccartney says: 16 March, 2019 at 8:14 am:

” … WM is still living in the past thinking they are the colonial masters and everyone will dance to their tune.”

Well, Winifred, it wouldn’t be the first time Westminster had sent gunboats to the Firth of Forth – and it wasn’t for refits at HM Dockyard Rosyth or Port Edger or to load up armaments from Crombie Armaments Depot.

Last time was while they were forcing the Scottish parliamentarians to sign the Treaty of Union. Mind you we do know the aircraft carriers can at least get as far as Rosyth but why would they need aircraft carriers?

Carriers are to transport aircraft to foreign parts where they can bomb and strafe thousands of brown people. The aircraft we pay for could just fly direct from around the Morey Firth area.

manandboy

More LibDem news, with Vince Cable saying that the Lord David Steel cover up/protection of Cyril Smith MP, would be dealt with by the Scottish Branch of the London based Liberal Democrat & Unionist Party.
You would have to be rather slow not to recognise an attempt by Vince to divert attention away from Westminster, where of course the notorious resident paedophile ring of assorted politicians, civil servants & others has the complete protection of successive Home Secretaries, notable among whom was none other than PM Theresa May.

In all I think 114 files were ‘lost’ in a demonstration of the British Establishment WATP principle – ‘No law can ever touch us’.

HandandShrimp

Re New Zealand it is incredible that a white Australian can go to another colonised country and rant about and kill over “white replacement”.

Talk about tone deaf? This Barearsed Trabbant or whatever he is called takes the tone deaf biscuit.

I hope the Mail and its ilk take note and realise pandering to the far right is a serious mistake.

Dr Jim

*British* Liberal Democrat leader in Scotland Willie Rennie whose party languish in fifth position in the Scottish parliament insist people who support Scottish Independence are a minority to be ignored and in no uncertain terms denied their democratic wishes, however his party are to be taken seriously because they represent *Britain*

Now what position do the *British* Liberal Democrats hold in the *British* parliament again, Oh yes behind the SNP who hold third place even in that parliament

Willie Rennie, a man taken seriously by Willie Rennie

Robert Peffers

@SilverDarling says: 16 March, 2019 at 12:50 pm:

” … That is all gone now. We see them for what they are, pathetic lying bullies protecting their delusion of an empire.”

Well no, SilverDarling, those people you think of as British won’t change after independence. they will just be what they really have always been – English People from the Kingdom of England. However. I expect it won’t be too long after the Kingdom of Scotland ends The United Kingdom before Ireland reunited and Wales follows Scotland to independence.

The United Kingdom is already dead – it just hasn’t had the sense to lie down yet.

Giving Goose

Geoo

Lol I was being amusing (well trying to be).

SilverDarling

@Robert Peffers

I think there will always be those for whom being ‘British’ is a construct they use to protect themselves from identifying with the worst of English Nationalism. Unable to say they feel Scottish they reside in a mythical hinterland. They will be ‘British’ till they die no matter what happens.

Capella

Good Morning Scotland couldn’t, unfortunately, find anyone in Scotland clever enough to explain the BREXIT shambles.

So Gordon Brewer phoned Anne McElvoy – a British (i.e.English) journalist, Alex Massie – a Scottish journalist in London, and Ruth Dudley Edwards – an Irish historian who wishes she was British. (that’s really what her Wiki entry says).

She wishes though she was British as her loves for them knows no bounds. She will even go to lengths to write anti Irish articles

Wikipedia.

Needless to say, nothing of any importance for Scotland was discussed. That was probably why they couldn’t talk to anyone with a Scottish political background for fear of straying onto a minefield.

At 25:52 – though not really worth it except for illustrative purposes:

link to bbc.co.uk

manandboy

The Scottish view v The English view

May I encourage the widespread practice of linguistically splitting Scotland from the rest of the UK, by always using the term ‘Scotland and
the rest of the UK’, or even just ‘rUK’, both here on Wings and throughout Scotland.
For example, to say ‘Brexit will be very bad for Scotland and the rest of the UK’, instead of saying ‘Brexit will be very bad for the UK’.

The reason behind this ‘splitting UK’ idea, is that the term ‘UK’ contains implicitly the idea of English supremacy. For England, the word ‘country’ means the whole of the UK. But, in England, the term UK, also means England, with Scotland as a part or region, of England.

Each time we split ‘UK’, we will be prioritising Scotland, putting Scotland first, instead of following the customary English usage in which England is first and Scotland is assumed to be be far less important – as befits a colony.

Talking or writing about Scotland in the same way that England talks and writes about Scotland is hardly consistent with the aspiration to be a Sovereign nation in our own Independent Country.

Please think about. And think, talk and write Independent.

Ian Brotherhood

Looks like the Scottish Indy march in Germany has drawn a similar number of supporters to Farage’s March of The Gammons.

🙂

Robert Peffers

@manandboy says: 16 March, 2019 at 3:43 pm:

” … May I encourage the widespread practice of linguistically splitting Scotland from the rest of the UK, by always using the term ‘Scotland and
the rest of the UK’,

Yes! Of course YOU would.

keith brown

Watching the rugby on S4C as martin Johston and John inverdale are doing my box in. Just building up to the big game when England could win the championship 16-0 to Wales at half time

Capella

Tom Kibasi pointing out how often BBC flagship programmes like Newsnight invite fascists on to explain their views. very helpful.

link to twitter.com

manandboy

Robert, it was supposed to read,
‘Scotland and the rest of the UK ‘,
and NOT,
‘Scotland
and
the rest of the UK’.

I blame it on the technology, you know. It appears to have a mind of its own sometimes. God help us when we get AI.

Ps. Hope you’re well.

Petra

Another brilliant cartoon Chris and as Breeks says, your catalogue of (historical) cartoons will no doubt grace the walls of galleries for all time coming in an Independent Scotland. Would also make for a great visual teaching and learning tool kit that could be used to great effect in our schools.

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Wee baby bull sitting with egg on it’s face? Screaming it’s head off. Someone should stick a dynamite dummy in it’s mooth to shut it up (only kidding, lol). And I wonder how he’ll (she’ll) behave when his supply of baby milk, yogurt and ice-cream dries up?

link to inews.co.uk

Worse still is replaced by imports from the US.

link to independent.co.uk

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@ Dr Jim at 12:35pm ….. ”British.”

One of your best ever posts Dr Jim …. of many. Succinctly outlines the Scottish predicament. Add to that Cubby’s (1:10pm) point about the very ”British” Lord Smith.

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Posted by Nana on the last thread and well worth a read if you missed it. ‘Bloody Sunday and how the British empire came home’, by Adam Ramsay.

…”It’s not the only new military base in the region: in 2015, the UK announced a major expansion of its military presence in Oman, where the current Sultan is a former UK army officer who secured his role in a British coup in 1970. He already hosts the only permanent SAS base outside the UK and three GCHQ bases which tap the undersea cables running from the Gulf under the Strait of Hormus. His regime, like that of Bahrain, relies on the use of torture to maintain its control. The UK’s biggest corporation, Shell, owns 34% of Oman’s state oil company – with 60% owned by the government. According to Mark Curtis, the two bases will provide the UK with its biggest capacity for military intervention in the Middle East since the 1960s.”…

link to opendemocracy.net

Dr Jim

Very kind of you Petra

HYUFD

Silver Darling The British Empire effectively finished in 1947 with the independence of India and certainly was finished by 1999 when Hong Kong was returned to China. France has more overseas territories than the UK now

HYUFD

Robert Peffers Wales has a good rugby team but is highly unlikely ever to go independent, unlike the SNP in Scotland, Plaid has never won a Welsh national election and it also has much less support than Sinn Fein. Wales also voted Leave like England and does not have a strong enough economy to be independent. Wales was also united with England for centuries before Scotland and Ireland joined them to form the UK

Legerwood

manandboy says:
16 March, 2019 at 3:43 pm
“”The Scottish view v The English view””
……

Referring to ‘Scotland and the rest of the UK’ .also normalises Scotland as a separate, stand-alone entity with its own priorities and policies. Just like an independent country in other words.

By such subtle ways does the idea of independence lose its strangeness.

Just like Ms Sturgeon’s travels abroad making friends and influencing people normalise the idea that this is how it should be. Scotland represented by someone Scots have elected.

Petra

@ Dr Jim says at 4:32 pm …. ”Very kind of you Petra.”

Credit where credit’s due, Dr Jim. Imo, that post should be sent all over social media with the inclusion of Cubby’s Lord Smith comments. I’m sure that permission will be granted, lol. Additionally you should send it into the Letters Page of the National. It’s amazing how influential the National can be … articles AND letters. My husband leaves the National at work and recently a work colleague cornered him to discuss the contents of a letter in the National which had influenced him to vote Yes next time round. That was followed up with the McCrone Report article which seemingly now has this guy going crazy and moving into ”activist mode”, lol.

Skintybroko

Wow this is going to be a rout – bowing down to English masters ????

Ottomanboi

HYUFD
The French model is not the same as the British. Most overseas ‘territories’ ‘la France d’outre-mer’ have full integral and representational status as part of the French republic. The French state is more integrationist than the British.
As for ‘empire’, it may have largely gone to the halls of history but the imperial mindset has not.
I detect it in some Brexit rhetoric. With regards to Scotland that rhetoric has a first half of the twentieth century ring, proprietorial to say the least.

manandboy

link to opendemocracy.net

This article should contain a caution, if not a warning. Personally I would advise caution to the average reader, and reserve the warning for the SNP Scottish Government. The reason is contained in this article by Adam Ramsay about Britain’s colonial history of extreme violence, torture and murder. That history continued unabated in its extremes into the ‘Troubles’, the war in Northern Ireland from 1968-1998, during which the British government drew on all its previous experience in its colonies and applied them without reservation or restraint against British citizens, just because they were Irish who favoured the cause of a United Ireland and resisted Loyalist oppression and violence.

I say again, I advise caution, for this article will expose you to some of the very worst activities of the British State. That’s the same British State that we have today.

Scottish Steve

The problem being that the lion chose to remain with the screaming toddler and will most likely choose to stay with him again because…well, we cant look after ourselves can we?

frogesque

HYUFD

Wales has nevet beem united with England. It was conquered amd subjugated by England.

I’m sure Robert P can give you the definativr history

SilverDarling

@HYUFD

Hullo HYUFD! Nice to see you are finding something to chat with everyone here about.

What does the number of overseas states have to do with anything? A delusional mentality is exactly that, there is no Empire but the British State would like the unwitting to believe in the spirit of the Empire. This is why they are so desperate to keep the original ‘Jewel in the Crown’, Scotland.

Empire II was, I believe, the Brexiteers ill-fated working title for the UK once it leaves the shackles of the EU. An Empire made up of Gibraltar, The Falklands and The Chagos Islands.

When we are independent Little England will be left proudly clinging to Rockall.

manandboy

Apologies, Petra, we must have been posting simultaneously.

yesindyref2

Congrats to Wales for the Grand Slam, precision and as someone said, ruthlessness. But it was on from the 2nd half of the first match, and Anscombe has been the on form kicker of the 6 nations – why on earth anyone would suggest Biggar should take that first kick I have no idea, you pick the on form kicker.

I daresay Welsh Sion will be a little bit chuffed and a whole lot pissed, almost tempted to drive down to Cardiff – plenty of time for a couple of days drinking!

Jock McDonnell

Funny how it’s only his opponents that think he’s world class.
FFS

HYUFD

Ottomanboi Some may do but the likes of Gibraltar and St Helens etc tend to be happy with their own legislative assemblies, if they demanded MPs they would probably get them.

HYUFD

Frogesque Wales has been formally united with England since the 1535 and 1542 Laws of Wales Acts and Wales has also had MPs at Westminster since those Acts were passed. Scot land did not join the Union until 1707 and Ireland not until 1800

Jockanese Wind Talker

RE: Gibraltar

Wonder what Spain will demand in return for not vetoing a Brexit extension?

Alisdair

SilverDarling

Rockall is Scottish territory it’s included on the Invernessshire Ordnance Survey maps.

Tom Busza

@ SilverDarling 5.23 pm

When did Scotland give Rockall away to England?

“In response to a Freedom of Information request in 2012, the British Government stated that, “The islet of Rockall is part of the UK: specifically it forms part of Scotland under the Island of Rockall Act 1972. No other state has disputed our claim to the islet.”[1] In Scotland it is part of South Harris Parish.

Even UK government says Rockall belongs to Scotland.

link to en.wikipedia.org

Cubby

I see the Britnat Tory England troll keeps coming back with his lies and colonial mindset.

Wales is too small, too poor, economy rubbish etc etc = Britnat conditioning/propaganda. Where have we heard this before – everywhere Westminster wants to hold on to their resources.

All the wealthiest (GDP per head) countries in the world are small countries. I am sure at some point in time some plonker told them they were too small, too poor to be an independent country.

HYUFD

Silver Darling I voted Remain but most Brexiteers aim is to expand trade with the rest of the World, particularly the Pacific rim and Far East where the global economy is growing strongest, do not forget over 50% of UK exports now go outside the EU. Talk of reviving the Empire is held by only a tiny minority of Brexiteers at most

HYUFD

Yesindyref2 Yes well done Wales on a comfortable win over Ireland and the Grand Slam, looks like England will secure second place, current score England 31 Scotland 0

HYUFD

Cubby Either because they have a vast amount of oil like Norway or Qatar or they pursue low tax, free market economics like Singapore. Wales does not have much of the first (Scotland admittedly does), nor does it pursue low tax, free market economics

Welsh Sion

Thanks for the congrats, everyone … 🙂

Wales was *disunited* from England by virtue of the Wales Language Act 1993 Schedule 2 (although all references to England to cover Wales also had already been abolished by the previous Welsh Language Act 1967.)

Soon Scotland’s Acts of Union with England will be repealed, too.

Tom Busza

Brexiteers’ aims to expand trade Asia and Oceania does seem to fly in the face of UK’s global environmental aims.

Cubby

“Scotland did not join the Union until 1707”

Note he says – DID NOT JOIN

This statement is typical of the misleading crap that the Britnat Tory from deepest engerland troll posts.

There was no existing Union to join in 1707 – so why does the troll post this? He knows fine well that the Kingdom of Scotland created the Union with the Kingdom of England in 1707 as equal partners. I’ll tell you why it is to create the impression that the union is and always has been an English owned and controlled entity.

It’s like a full time job to keep correcting the total propaganda crap he posts. If you read a post By HYFUD it’s pretty much the case that it will be full of lies and misleading Britnat propaganda.

HYUFD

Welsh Sion Did the Welsh Language Act repeal the Laws of Wales Acts? No

HYUFD

All the Welsh Language Act did was change the language provisions to ensure recognition of the Welsh Language, it had no effect beyond that

Bill Hume

I wonder what the letters HYUFD stand for???
Perhaps we could have a wee competition?

Abulhaq

Man and Boy
Most Muslims, sorry for the generalization, are appalled that Christian temples have to be constantly guarded by armed soldiers. In Egypt the scholars of AlAzhar, the great Islamic university condemn assaults on Christians and Jews as fundamentally un Islamic, however even they admit that in certain mosques going out and killing a Christian or a Shi’i may be legitimised by legalistic interpretations of the Qur’án and the Hadiths or events in history. Such a situation of ‘uncertainty’ does risk becoming normative for non Muslims. The Turkish republic still vets Friday sermons with a view to checking ultra interpretations.
The situation in the ME is complex to say the least, poverty and political frustration compound the matter. Events such as this possible loner initiated attack on innocent worshippers will tend to reinforce the sectarian divisive narrative.
The non-vengeful response of the Muslims of Christchurch is noteworthy.

Petra

@ manandboy says at 5:24 pm … ”Apologies, Petra, we must have been posting simultaneously.”

No problem manandboy. I was actually pleased to see that someone else had been ”impressed” by the contents of that article. God only knows what they’ve been / are still getting up to, as I’m sure that what we are privy to now is just the tip of the iceberg. Futhermore one wonders what they’ve got lined up for us pre AND post independence. They’re not going to let us go lightly, FAR from it, as without us they’ll be left like a shrivelled up, detested nonentity of a country. Without our oil, alone, they’re finished.

link to twitter.com

Cherry

@Cubby, you just stopped me from letting rip at this total prat! I don’t think I’ve ever lost it on here but that pillock has totally pushed all my buttons….I need a lie down after reading his crap. Never before has there been a more self opinionated, butchers apron waving arsehole as this smug, self satisfied, deluded eejit posting on here and we have had quite a few, this guy is in a whole different category.
😉

HYUFD

Cherry I have not posted anything remotely inflamatory, if you cannot even cope with that you really cannot leave the echo chamber

Shinty

I wonder what the letters HYUFD stand for???
Perhaps we could have a wee competition?
_____

Thought about that a month or so back – need to look back my notes!

Robert Peffers

@HYUFD says: 16 March, 2019 at 4:54 pm:

” … Plaid has never won a Welsh national election and it also has much less support than Sinn Fein.”

Aye!
Richt!

You wish. Now here’s a wee warning for unionists. I first began supporting the SNP way back in around 1946 as a schoolboy. We were treated a bit like Muslims are treated in England these days- either like the lunatic fringe or like dangerous terrorists.

To the Establishment we were constantly under surveillance by Her Majesty’s Security Forces. Actual enemies of the state. We were then very thin on the ground.

Yet here we are today – third party in size in the House of Commons and having been in power in the Scottish Parliament, (how did that happen), for several continuous terms and with Scottish independence within our grasp and the end of the United Kingdom looming rapidly in Westminster’s view.

Thing is these things are like that – there is a tipping point and that tipping point happened very suddenly. Now consider this that great bastion of blind monarchist nationalism that is Northern Ireland now has more republican voters than it has knuckle dragging Orange Order numpties. There is little doubt that a unified Ireland is only a hair’s breadth away today.

I wouldn’t be so cocky if I were a unionist today. The British Empire is dead and the two kingdom United Kingdom is sure to end soon.

HYUFD

Petra Even alone England would still be the 7th largest economy in the world out of over 190, hardly a ‘shrivelled up, detested nonentity of a country’

Tom Busza

60 minutes in and Eng 31-Scot 31 (HT Eng 31- Scot 7). 20 minutes still to play.

HYUFD

Abulhaq Having returned from Israel and the Palestinian Authority last month in Palestine there were a number of Christian churches who did good works providing schools etc. The local community was comfortably majority Muslim but provided the Christian community did not actively convert they were tolerated

HYUFD

Robert Peffers Indeed right, Plaid has never won a Welsh Assembly election, or most MPs or MEPs in Wales either. I would also point out the DUP also still won both the last Northern Ireland Assembly and Westminster elections. I am not remotely cocky, I voted Remain and obviously Brexit will increase nationalist sentiment in Scotland and Northern Ireland to some extent but Wales voted Leave

Robert J. Sutherland

What an absolute stonker of a cartoon. Might not get too much exposure in the BritNat press, but this could well be syndicated more widely. I can see it being taken up by all the major papers on the Continent.

Get to it Chris! This one is a classic that will be referenced by history programmes in the future.

Robert Peffers

@Ottomanboi says: 16 March, 2019 at 5:17 pm:

” … The French model is not the same as the British.”

Maybe that would be because there actually was never a British Empire. It was the United Kingdom Empire and the United Kingdom didn’t even include all of Britain. Now I’m no expert on the Crown Protectorates but I believe they are Crown Protectorates not Westminster Parliament Protectorates. More like the Queen’s personal United Kingdom than the United Kingdom government’s United Kingdom.

Foe example they are not really full current EU Members but only Associate EU Members.

HYUFD

In fact an ‘Abolish the Welsh Assembly’ party polled 7% in a poll last December

Robert Louis

Not sure why you folks are wasting time arguing with a ‘british’ nationalist troll. He is clearly a pig-ignorant ‘british’ Nationalist, English supremacist dick.

Welsh Sion

Did the Welsh Language Act 1993 Schedule 2 repeal The Laws in Wales Act/”The acts of Union 1535-1542″.

YES.

Maybe if you read the Act you’d see, HYUFD.

link to legislation.gov.uk

Welsh Sion

I’m still stone cold sober despite the Grand Slam. I only support my national team (from afar) I’m not an active fan who attends matches nor indeed pubs to watch games.

Robert J. Sutherland

There is a theory that the size of Mars Bars is an accurate indication of the state of the economy.

In the same way, the number of postings by “LoDud” is surely a reliable indication of the BritNat state of panic that a full-on indy campaign is about to be unleashed. One that they are scared sh*tless they will lose.

And for very good reason.

galamcennalath

manandboy says:

this article will expose you to some of the very worst activities of the British State

TBH much worse can be found online. The ‘British’ Empire wasn’t created and held without widespread brutality.

What the article does very well, is remind us that the early 70s were close in time to the atrocities committed in Bahrain, Cyprus, Kenya, etc.. The imperial thugs who perpetrated those crimes would have been redeployed to NI. It all goes much further than a few out of control squaddies.

Cactus

YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!

Tom Busza

Scotland take the lead at Twickers

Robert Peffers

@HYUFD says:16 March, 2019 at 5:30 pm:

” … Frogesque Wales has been formally united with England since the 1535 and 1542 Laws of Wales Act.”

That is absolutely hilarious, HYUFD. Where did you learn your history?

Here is a history question for you:-

What was the Statute of Rhuddlan?

Here’s a wee clue for you – Who made and passed The Statute of Rhuddlan.

Essexexile

Biggest comeback in Scottish sporting history, no question.
Will be pinching myself for weeks!

HYUFD

Welsh Sion since when was Chapters 27, 34 and 35 the whole Act?

Famous15

“Oh,ye of little faith”

As my granny would say

Raw draw

Tom Busza

Draw at Twickers. So close.

HYUFD

Robert Peffers The Statute of Rhuddlan simply set terms for the Government of Wales and introduced Common Law there, it did not formally unite Wales with England nor create Welsh MPs, it was the Laws of Wales Acts that did it

HYUFD

England 38 Scotland 38 Great match and well played both sides

Welsh Sion

You obviously don’t understand how English Law works, HYUFD.

27 Hen 8 The Laws in Wales Act 1535 c.26 Extent of repeal: The whole Act, so far as unrepealed

34 & 35 Hen 8 The Laws in Wales Act 1542 c.26 Extent of repeal: The whole Act, except section 47

27 – The Regnal Year of Henry VIII
c.26 – The number of the statute of that tear

34 & 35 – The Regnal Years of Henry VIII
c.26 – The number of the statute of that year

Robert Peffers

@HYUFD says: 16 March, 2019 at 5:34 pm:

” … most Brexiteers aim is to expand trade with the rest of the World, particularly the Pacific rim and Far East where the global economy is growing strongest”

Just a wee jog for your memory, HYUFD, in all trade deals there are at least two states that need to agree the terms.

” … do not forget over 50% of UK exports now go outside the EU.”

Oh! We don’t forget. Neither do we forget that you are quoting UK percentages and that includes also Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish exports. Not to mention that the way Westminster accounts what is individual UK country exports is by where they leave the UK and not which UK country actually produced them. Thus much of those , “UK”,exports are not actually English exports and Exports and there probably won’t be a United Kingdom in the very near future.

Didn’t the SNP leader of the HOC contingent say, just the other day, “Scotland will not be dragged out of the EU against her will”? He didn’t say if or maybe he said will not.

Abulhaq

HYUFD
Conversion is a definitely a no no. The older Christian churches both Orthodox and Catholic do not attempt such. Conversions to Islam, is another matter. American financed Evangelical Protestants are active. In Egypt their unthinking proselytizing activities muddy the waters. Copts mostly get the flack.
I am a Syriac Catholic and our communal experience has been ‘keep your head down’. In Iraq under Saddam Hussain that was de rigueur. Before that we wised up to the realities when the Sultan/Caliph was still living in Constantinople and before that whoever was in control. Like the Armenians we played the game by ear and with bags packed, just in case. Westerners do not know the half of it! It has made us very wise.

Petra

What a game!!!

Nicola Sturgeon: ”OK, a bit heartbreaking at the end – but what a heroic, historic performance @Scotlandteam – well done to Gregor and all the guys. The Calcutta Cup is coming back to Scotland!”

link to twitter.com

Cubby

Cherry@6.11pm

A post full of passion. I wouldn’t like to be around when you really let rip but some Britnats, especially the phoney independence supporters that turn up on Wings, deserve no less.

Sneaky liars full of deceit and misinformation the lot of them. So don’t let me hold you back from letting rip.

yesindyref2

Jings

Iain 2

Looks like your team let you down.
Shame.

Famous15

HYFUD sts on this site like a vulture on a baobab.

Hoping for the taste of carrion to assail his nostrils.

Welsh Sion

c. in this context means ‘chapter’ which is this context is synonymous with Act (of Parliament) or Statute.

You will still these on Westminster Statutes today, but the regnal years have been dropped.

e.g. Abolition of Domestic Rates Etc. (Scotland) Act 1987

(which set up the “Poll Tax” in Scotland) is also known as: 1987 c.47. This is said as “1987, Chapter 47” or “Chapter 47, 1987”.

Dorothy Devine

Well done Wee Wales! And well done Smashing Scotland!

Skintybroko

Wow – amazing comeback hats off to the boys I was rwally pissed off with them the first half

Welsh Sion

Patrick came good, eh, Dorothy Devine? 😉

(Mind you had Ireland won, I’m sure our cousins would have said the same!) 😀

Well done, Scotland – sorry you didn’t quite make it.

HYUFD

Welsh Sion Yes, so the Laws in Wales Act 1542 remains on the Statute book at Westminster, amended but not fully repealed

link to en.m.wikipedia.org

yesindyref2

2nd half went to plan basically, get the scores, Townsend threw in his major subs, quite early this time, get near, England get rattled specially Farrell, he’s historic for late tackles (and off the ball ones), he does one (he did turn the shoulder though the commentators threw a wobbly), then gets rattled at a very close knock forward decision and that clever swine Eddie Jones immediately subs him for the level-headed Ford. But for that England wouldn’t have drawn level. Ah well.

Calcutta Cup home to Scotland where it belongs 🙂

Tom Busza

@ HYFUD 6.18 pm

Even alone England would still be the 7th largest economy in the world out of over 190

And how do you arrive at that conclusion? What figures do you have to support your claim? e.g. GDP per IMF or per World Bank or per UN.

In all cases the only GDP for UK is shown as UK and not as UK’s constituent parts (I use that term for convenience only).

If you say England’s GDP would put in 7th position, then you are saying that England’s GDP is greater than that of Brazil (currently 8th position.

Robert Peffers

@HYUFD says: 16 March, 2019 at 5:56 pm:

” … Welsh Sion Did the Welsh Language Act repeal the Laws of Wales Acts?”

I’ll ask you again, HYUFD, What was the Statute of Rhuddlan and who proclaimed it?

Here is a wee quote:-

“He, (EDWARD), gradually extended English influence, at least partly by chipping away at Welsh law and establishing English legal traditions.

One of the tools Edward used to effect this change was the Statute of Rhuddlan (later, and erroneously called the Statute of Wales).

According to this statute, the counties of Anglesey, Meirionnydd, and Caernarfon were created out of the remnants of Llewelyn’s Gwynedd, and staffed with sheriffs to collect taxes and administer justice – English style justice using English Common Law. In addition, the offices of justice and chamberlain were created to assist the sheriff.”

There you go – Edward defeated the last native Prince of Wales then by military force imposed English law upon what was then not part of England and Edward was not King or prince of Wales.

There is absolutely no doubt that England invaded Wales and forced English law upon the Welsh. I ask again, where did you learn your history?.

HYUFD

Robert Peffers Of course buy plenty of countries export a lot to the UK too and also want a trade deal. If you are saying Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland also export a lot outside the EU then it makes sense for them to focus increasingly on the growing Pacific rim economies too

HYUFD

Abulhaq Sensible comments, practice Christianity in the Middle East by all means but be wary of being too loud and evangelical about it

dom

So the egg chasin English BritNats ended up with the same number as the Scottish BritNat egg chasers.

Does anybody give a monkeys???

Nawwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!

Iain 2

How could you believe the accounts of a country that hides the true wealth of the economy of its equal partner.
You will be saying that gers is not a political propaganda tool next.

dom

And the Queens Eleven Ibrox lodge also drew with Kilmarnock today as well.

Not a good day for the BritNats.

Ottomanboi

ROBERT PEFFERS
The French adopted a kind of Pax Romana perspective. Regardless of background, if you ‘became’ French, you were French and there was no restrictions on access to higher education. Generally, in the short term, it worked. However some of the most assertive liberators of the French colonial empire came from the seemingly assimilated, frenchified élite. Algeria, Syria, Vietnam and Sénégal spring to mind.
It may well be from amongst the so called ‘assimilated’ that the revolt begins. Scotland may yet have surprises up its sleeve!
I believe British extra-territories are designated ‘Crown Dependencies’. So useful for financial jiggery pockery! Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Jersey, Cayman, Bahamas, Bermuda…..

yesindyref2

When it was 21-0 I fast-forwarded until I suddenly saw 7 for Scotland, rewound and watched from there with a lot of hope in my heart. A game of two halves after all, quite a few have been in this tournament. Was behind time because I had to watch Wales triumph and cup award thing and interviews. And go outside for a few ciggies and a break 🙂

World rankings, we needed the draw to stay above France:

1 New Zealand 92.54
2 (?3) Wales 89.96 (+1.23)
3 (?2) Ireland 88.69 (-1.23)
4 England 86.27 (-1.00)
5 South Africa 84.58
6 Australia 82.40
7 Scotland 80.17 (+1.00)
8 France 79.42 (+0.70)

link to rawling.github.io

Wales go into 2nd, above Ireland, that’s excellent for Wales.

Petra

Wings, lol:

link to twitter.com

…………………………….

‘Yes Marchmont and Morningside survey shows change in indy views.’

link to thenational.scot

Welsh Sion

I think HYUFD learnt his history in the same place as he learnt law – via Wikipedia or some other spurious source. (I’m half-minded to delete that word ‘learn’ as he obviously knows nothing about the field.

I am quoting from the database of inter alia, English Law and he uses Wikipedia. It’s clear to anyone with half a brain that the “Acts of Union” between Wales and England (other than section 47 of the 1542 Act, and sections were only applied to Westminster Statutes in the 19th century) have been repealed. They are finished, dead, joined the choir eternal – and all other Pythonesque statements you’d like to add.

I have a Bachelor’s degree in English Law, a Master’s Degree in Celtic Studies and a deep knowledge and understanding of the history, politics, law and language (my mother tongue) of my country.

And I have better things to do than pass the time of day with someone who is blatantly ignorant on all these matters and has been shown up time and again by Robert Peffers, other Wingers and myself for the ignorant buffoon he is

Tros Gymru / For Scotland.

Dr Jim

The *British* told Malta they couldn’t possibly be Independent like they’ve told all the many many other countries who released themselves from the yoke of Imperialism, I’m quite sure if and when Wales decides they want to be Independent then half the world will offer the same assistance as Scotland is about to receive and as seen by *Britain* Ireland has been supported by

The world is watching the *British* establishment implode and no one is surprised and not a finger is being lifted to help it retain its imagined superiority, and it won’t until it realises it’s no more or less important in the world than anyone else

Steve Rodgers of Morgan Stanley, Bloomberg and everything else world financial said: When Scotland becomes Independent they’ll take their oil and seas with them and without Scotlands assets England has nothing to sell so their financial rating will fall to around 18th place in the world leaving Scotland over a very short space of time a position of around 8th richest country GDP

Don’t answer me Troll go and Troll Steve Rodgers tell him you know better, it’ll make a change from Trolling Wings and Scotlands First Minister

HYUFD

Tom Busza England’s economy is worth £2.4 trillion

link to en.wikipedia.org

According to the 2018 IMF GDP figures that would put England just behind 6th placed India on $2.689 trillion and just above 8th placed Italy on $2.086 trillion
link to en.wikipedia.org

yesindyref2

@Welsh Sion
Awa ye hence from this place of HIFUD absolute and astonishing total ignorance, to an establishment that serveth alcohol and loads of Welsh and Irish supporters celebrating regardless of result, like it’s going out of fashion! Or many, one after the other. Been there, done that, years ago mind 🙂

HYUFD

Robert Peffers So again the Statute of Rhuddlan did not formally unite Wales with England or admit Welsh MPs to Westminster, that was the Laws in Wales Acts

Welsh Sion

Even the article our troll cites opens by using the past simple tense:

“The Laws in Wales Acts 1535 and 1542 (Welsh: Y Deddfau Cyfreithiau yng Nghymru 1535 a 1542) *were* [my emphasis] parliamentary measures by which Wales became a full and equal [aye, right] part of the Kingdom of England and the legal system of England was extended to Wales and the norms of English administration introduced.”

dom

Scottish Rugby is run by BritNats, played by BritNats and supported by BritNats

Only after Indy will we see a truly Scottish rugby team.

But until then, the Scottish BritNat egg chasers will always see the Butchers Apron as their primary flag, with the Saltire an insignificant blot on the landscape.

HYUFD

Welsh Sion No the 1542 Laws in Wales Act has not been repealed, there are still Welsh MPs at Westminster and that is a direct consequence of the Laws in Wales Acts

Fireproofjim

Dom
I believe Stu’s survey showed that about 50% of Scottish rugby supporters are pro independence.
I’m one for example and if I am not mistaken, so is Stu.
Don’t be sour. Enjoy a great match.

Dr Jim

@Fireproofjim 7.52pm

I believe you’re correct it’s around the 50% even split but todays match was definitely all Scottish 100% in the second half

Well you have to take comfort, but hey we won something, well retained something but we’ll take that too

dom

Scottish Rugby is run by BritNats.

Dr Jim

@dom

So is our country but we’re trying to change that

Essexexile

Go away dom, you bitter little twerp.
In case you haven’t noticed there are plenty of us indy supporters on here (including the site owner FFS) who are long time supporters of the Scottish rugby team and fans of the game in general.
I watched the game today with good friends (supporters of England and Scotland were present) and it was a fantastic afternoon. A bit gutting at the end but a terrific few hours of entertainment.
People who are determined to divide EVERYTHING into indy Vs Britnat, because they are too thick to understand the subtleties of the debate are just an embarrassment to themselves tbh.

Welsh Sion

Iechyd da, Yesindyref2. 😀

I’ll take that as a “haste ye back” as well – when the nonsense spouter has gone!

dom

Scottish Rugby will show it’s true colours when IndyRef2 is up and running.

They’ll be backing the Union.

In that, there is no doubt.

Scott and Gavin Hastings will be wheeled out to tell us mere mortals that we are to stupid to go it alone.

Welsh Sion

Sorry that you are stuck in your ignorance, HYFUD. I suspect that the Welsh MPs are still in place following the other “true” Acts of Union of 1707 and 1800 (when we were included under the term “England” as a signatory to them.

That is why we do not figure on your beloved Butcher’s Apron nor on the Royal Standard. It was not until 1967 (WLA) and then confirmed in the 1978 Wales Act that we were identified apart from England for English Law purposes.

The Union(s) is/are dead.

Tros Gymru / For Scotland.

And now I will take yesindyref 2’s advice and enjoy my evening.

Cageybee

Dom
I played rugby all the way through school and was a regular attendee at Murrayfield up till the debentures for the east stand ran out and they wanted a huge hike in price to secure your seat.Like fireproofjim says go and have a llok back at Stu’s piece re rugby it should make you , at least, moderate if not change your views.

Robert Peffers

@HYUFD says: 16 March, 2019 at 7:21 pm:

” … Robert Peffers Of course buy plenty of countries export a lot to the UK too and also want a trade deal.”

Are you entirely devoid of reality, HYUFD? Just listen to yourself. Let’s just introduce you to a little reality.

You state that other countries export to the UK and want a trade deal. Fine but what of reality? First of all there is every likelihood that in the near future there probably will not be a UK to trade with. Scottish Independence means that the legal entity titled, “The UK”, ends abruptly upon Scotland ending the union. The status Quo Ante of the Kingdom of Scotland leaving the Kingdom of England is there will be a return to the pre-union status.

That is a return to being two independent kingdoms. There cannot be a legal United Kingdom of any kind – what signed the treaty with the Kingdom of Scotland was the Kingdom of England and not any form of united kingdom – neither Wales or Ireland became part of the Kingdom of England by treaty but by being forced to be in that kingdom.

As if that were not enough of a disincentive there is also the fact that to be in a trade deal with the Kingdom of England would probably mean those other countries would lose their deals with the EU or at least have to pay the same rates as other WTO countries. So do you think the loss of good trade deals with the EU would be worth signing a trade deal with England? Just what exactly has England got to offer that any other country wants?

Now for another little slice of reality – have you any idea how long it takes for the average country to do any individual trade deal? It can take decades. Even with Scotland’s oil, gas, fishing grounds, food & drink and renewable power an independent United Kingdom would struggle and the obvious threat of an independent united Ireland in the EU and perhaps also Scotland in the EU no one will be rushing to do trade deals with England.

Not to mention that much of the World has scores to settle with the former British Empire -including the country on the end of the opium wars. The country on the end of two atom bombs and the continent providing the slaves for the slave trade. The list is endless.
If you are saying Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland also export a lot outside the EU then it makes sense for them to focus increasingly on the growing Pacific rim economies too

dom

Scottish Rugby:

The sport of BritNats.

IMHO

Jason Smoothpiece

Passed some brothers and sisters of the Orange Lodge walking in lovely Coatbridge today.

3 degrees at least the snow had stopped.

LOL marching in March ? Of course celebrating St Patricks day weekend. Saturday nearest St Pats day.

I didnt realise the brothers celebrated St Patrick but there you go every day is a school day.

Cubby

” in case you haven’t noticed there are plenty of us Indy supporters on here…….”

Aye right – you may be a rugby supporter but you are no Indy supporter.

“A bit gutting at the end…….”

Obviously because England didn’t win.

The Fud and Dr Doom – Essex’s finest minds.

yesindyref2

@danny and a string of other forgotten names
Your attempts at division are wasted, as will be your soon to come attempts at bigotry and anti-Englishness, as you get more and more rattled when nobody bites.

@Welsh Sion
Goes without saying haste ye back, just make sure you’re as sober as the rest of us ALWAYS are 🙂

Robert Peffers

@Welsh Sion says:16 March, 2019 at 8:09 pm:

… “I suspect that the Welsh MPs are still in place following the other “true” Acts of Union of 1707 and 1800 (when we were included under the term “England” as a signatory to them.
That is why we do not figure on your beloved Butcher’s Apron nor on the Royal Standard.”

Very well said, Welsh Sion, your case is different from that of Scotland but no less valid. It has always been my belief that when Scotland breaks up the United Kingdom then Wales will follow in our footsteps.

Mind you the way things are going ATM Northern Ireland might beat us both to the finishing line.

HYUFD

Welsh Sion It is still the Laws of Wales Acts which enabled Welsh MPs to be present at Westminster and still does, the Acts of Union had no mention of Welsh MPs specifically

HYUFD

The Prince of Wales of course has his own flag, separate to the Royal Standard, containing the 3 ostrich feathers and coronet as is also sometimes used as a symbol for Welsh rugby and Welsh regiments

stu mac

@Abulhaq
=============

I think the lack of interest is in part … well, racism. The Christians in the Middle East (and in Africa and far east) are dark skinned foreigners (whose culture is alien to us) so tend to get ignored by our media. It’s a long term western attitude and in centuries past they were often seen as not being “proper Christians” as they had some different beliefs. Not surprising since in these times Christian sects in Europe were often at war with each other. Possibly the same attitude is taken by those christian fundamentalists someone mentioned. They will have the protection of the US but the local Christians who’ve lived there for centuries will not and thus are targets for Muslim fundamentalists.

HYUFD

Robert Peffers It would of course be illegal under WTO rules for the EU to forbid any country to do a trade deal with England in order to do a deal with the EU, so wrong on that point for starters (the USA, India, China, Saudi Arabia, Australia etc all currently have no trade deals with the EU).

I know you are consistently and vehemently anti English but I would have thought even you would have known that it was the USA who dropped the atom bombs on Japan, not England and that it was England through Wilberforce which played a key role in ending the slave trade.

On Welsh independence of course there is barely any support for it, certainly not in South Wales where around 80% of the population lives and Plaid have never won a Welsh national election for a reason

HYUFD

49% of Welsh voters even voted against having a Welsh Assembly in the 1999 devolution referendum and if devolution could not win by a landslide in Wales as to be fair it did in Scotland any independence movement in Wales has virtually no chance at all

Iain 2

Robert Pefers, a free and independent Scotland will be for ever in your debt.
I for one would never have known that the act of union was only between two countries not four.
When we are free we should honour your contribution towards Scottish freedom.
The end of the union is neigh, keep the faith.

HYUFD

49.7% of Welsh voters even voted against having a Welsh Assembly in the 1997 devolution referendum and if devolution could not win by a landslide in Wales as to be fair it did in Scotland any independence movement in Wales has virtually no chance at all

Dave McEwan Hill

HYUFD at 7.41

Lets not confuse “the economy” or the size of it with the wealth or the prosperity of the people in it.

India has a “strong economy” and folk working in it for 50P per day.
The economies of Norway, Denmark, Sweeden, New Zealand, Ireland, Finland are tiny comapred to Engaland’s economy but their people are hugely better of than English peoples.
Germany’s economy is bigger than England’s and its people are much better off than Englands’s people

This “huge English economy” proposition is put forward for swallowing by the serially daft.

We are not daft on this site but you are daft by imagining we are. But then the mind numbed,brain washed, patronising English exceptionalists are not even smart enough to realise they are the tamed and easily led political fodder for the Brit establishment.

Iain 2

The britnats are panicking.

HYUFD

Stu Mac In many African countries Christians are actually the majority

HYUFD

Dave McEwan Hill Of the countries you list New Zealand actually has a lower gdp per capita than England on a PPP basis

Essexexile

Have a day off Cubby. Whatever you think you’re achieving on Wings, you really, really aren’t. A serial loser desperately trying to ingratiate himself with better calibre people on a rising tide.
As I’ve asked many times before, please sod off and leave me alone.

SilverDarling

Mike Russell on the British State’s delusions of Empire.

link to twitter.com

Macart

@Dorothy Devine

Been out all day and missed the news. Helluva result. Well done Wales rugby squad fer sure and from what I gather an amazing game for the Scotland squad.

And I’m not even the sporty type. 🙂

Dan

yesindyref2 says:
16 March, 2019 at 8:24 pm

“@danny and a string of other forgotten names
Your attempts at division are wasted, as will be your soon to come attempts at bigotry and anti-Englishness, as you get more and more rattled when nobody bites.”

To avoid any confusion can you please aim that at the current name being used on the thread by the person you presume to have previously posted using the name Danny
I understand the previous poster called Danny got kicked off.
Danny is not me. Cheers.

CameronB Brodie

HYUFD
You’re a shit stirring, reactionary, troll. Why not play with your ego elsewhere?

Bobp

HYFUD . I wonder how many of those 49.7% welsh voters who voted against a welsh assembly in 1997 were actually welsh?

HYUFD

BobP They were residents of Wales and that gave them a vote, someone who was born in Wales but lived in California for example and was no longer on the Welsh electoral role could not

Bobp

HYFUD. well theres a lesson for Scotland, not to leave it too late.

Ken500

The EU is the second largest economy in the world.

Take in UK debt it is 26th.

SilverDarling

Well done Wales!
Well done Scotland!

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi dom at 7:46 pm.

You typed,

“Scottish Rugby is run by BritNats, played by BritNats and supported by BritNats.”

I have been an SNP supporter since Winnie won Hamilton in 1967, when I was 15.

I was born in Maryfield hospital in Dundee. My Dad was an insurance agent with ‘The Pru’; my Mum was a milliner in DM Browns. The first two years of my life were spent in Balfour Street, aff the Hackie.
We then moved the Nethergate, above The Phoenix. In 1960, we moved to that hotbed of Britnattery, St Mary’s.

As a result of that move, I found myself attending that other hotbed of Britnattery, Kirk’in Hegh, where I was introduced to Rugby in my first week.

I was 4th reserve in the first game of the season. By the second game, I was left wing three-quarter and scored our try in the game against Linlathen High, that was a three-all draw.

That first year at Kirkton, we travelled all over Scotland – PLAYING RUGBY. Pupils from one of the most working class schools in Dundee.

My brother, 4 years younger than me, had a fairly successful career in schools rugby at Kirkton and in a local team after school – until he broke his leg – PLAYING RUGBY.

Thus, I would suggest that you, as a newbie to WOS, and not having read the debate on Scottish Rugby, that was a feature of a page a week or so ago, would be advised to keep your class-consciousness (for that is what it is) to yourself, until you know the facts.

Ken500

The Ref gave it away,

dom

Scottish Rugby is run by BritNats and will support remaining in this stinkin Union when campaigning in IndyRef2.

Bobp

Ken 500. I believe the ref was scottish. Your not thinking what i’m thinking ken?

Cageybee

another new troll joins the ignore list

Ken500

UK wealth has decreased -2% from 2007 to 2017 because of the depreciation of the £. In the hands of a smaller number of people? Not equal. $9.9Trn wealth. Debt $2.4Trns?

On other sites it is smaller countries are listed as wealthier Qatar, Norway, Switerland, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia etc,

Bobp

I apologise, i got the ref wrong, it was paul williams of new zealand.

Cubby

Dr Doom is not happy. I said he was one of Essex’s finest minds and he takes umbrage. Oh well these Britnats are never happy.

I’ll try again. The FUD and Dr Doom two of the Britnats in England finest minds. Happy now.

Cactus

None the less and forever the more…

Scotland XXX.

It’s 2019.

HYUFD

Ken500 If you include any countries debt it will fall down the gdp table and Italy, Belgium, Greece, Portugal, France, Spain for example have worse debt as a percentage than the UK

Cactus

Evenin’ HYUFD, that was a cracking GAME ra day eh, how ye doin’ yerself the night, neighbour.

yesindyref2

Hello Danny. Bye Danny. Not very bright are you?

yesindyref2

If you include any countries debt it will fall down the gdp table

HYUFD – that doesn’t even make sense, let alone remotely resemble any fact!

yesindyref2

OT
It’s quite funny reading the writings of the Dune Messiah on another forum …

Colin Alexander

I have received a response from the EU regarding my complaint that the attempt to drag the sovereign people of Scotland out of the EU against the democratic will of the people of Scotland is unlawful:

“We are writing in reply to the complaint that you have addressed to the European Commission regarding the UK withdrawal from the EU, which has been forwarded to the Task Force for the Preparation and Conduct of the Negotiations with the United Kingdom under Article 50 of the Treaty on the European Union. Please accept our apologies for this belated reply.
Regarding the legality of the UK’s referendum, let me recall that according to Article 50 any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

The assessment of the constitutional requirements is a matter for the Member State concerned. The decision by a Member State to organise a referendum, and the modalities and arrangements for that purpose, are a matter falling within the competence of that Member State too. The precise requirements for invoking the right to withdraw from the EU enshrined in Article 50 TEU under the United Kingdom constitution were litigated in the case of R (on the application of Miller and another) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union before the United Kingdom Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court decided that in order to invoke Article 50 TEU, the United Kingdom’s Prime Minister required authorisation from the United Kingdom Parliament. In March 2017, the United Kingdom Parliament passed an act granting the Prime Minister the power to invoke Article 50 TEU.

As the United Kingdom’s Prime Minister thus invoked Article 50 TEU in accordance with the United Kingdom’s constitutional requirements, she complied with all the conditions for notifying the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the European Union. In other words, Article 50 TEU was invoked in compliance with EU law.

Regarding Scotland, we cannot comment on Member States’ internal political and constitutional issues.

On the specific points you raise in relation to Scotland, it is not for the Commission to comment on issues of the internal organisation related to the constitutional arrangements / internal political issues in EU Member States.

You also refer to the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights: such an argument was indirectly addressed by the UK Court of Appeal in its judgment in case Shindler v Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

The Court found that the EU Referendum Act 2015 did not fall within the scope of EU law given that EU law had recognised that the decision of a Member State to withdraw from the EU was an exercise of national sovereignty which was governed by its own constitutional arrangements. The UK Supreme Court later refused permission to appeal against the Court of Appeal judgment.

As Commission Chief Negotiator Michel Barnier said many times, while we regret the UK’s decision to leave, we have to respect it.

Yours sincerely,
The Task Force for the Preparation and Conduct of the Negotiations
with the United Kingdom under Article 50 TEU (AMW)

European Commission
Rue de la Loi 200
B-1049 Brussels/Belgium”

HYUFD

Cactus Yes it was an exciting game and a great performance by both sides

dom

Let hope that ends the Scottish Rugby debate and we can finally all agree that the management running Scottish Rugby are a shower of Unionist bastards.

IMHO

HYUFD

Yesindyref2 I was responding to Ken500’s claim that debt should be included in tables of gdp

dom

Anyway,,,howz Brexit hangin ?

dom

Prepare for a FOURTH Meaningful Vote.

Heart of Galloway

I’ll save commenting for another time.

Except this from the blog rules: ‘Email us about suspected trolls if you want. But don’t engage them in debate if you doubt their motives, and DEFINITELY don’t engage in on-thread discussions about whether they’re a troll or not.’

Come on Wingers, we have bigger fish to fry.

Dorothy Devine

Macart , me neither and I always have difficulty watching a Scot doing anything – from Andy Murray to the football and rugby teams of Scotland , all usually viewed from behind the couch or not viewed at all.

Today I gave up watching and did a little house work instead , so sure was I that our lads were being mollicated by theirs.

Imagine my joy and delight when I discovered via Wings and a Yessssss from Cactus there had been a major change in the score while I hoovered!

Scot Finlayson

Congratulations to England woman rugby for winning grand slam,

and congratulations to Scotland men rugby for retaining Calcutta cup,it was classic `brains v brawn`,

congratulations to Italy ,who didn`t win but should have,

congratulations to the Wales team who blew away the second best team in the world.

CameronB Brodie

Colin Alexander
Thanks for sharing that confirmation of how the EU respects national sovereignty. Just goes to show Scotland’s national integrity has been severely imperiled for no good reason. Westminster always had control of England’s cultural integrity, without resorting to highly unconstitutional political conduct that will seriously imperil the ‘national’ economy. Bloody English nationalists. 🙁

Macart

@Dorothy

On the road all day, (seems to be my lot these days.. sigh), and just got back after eight to hear all the kerfuffle. Hardly even time to keep up on the reading matter. Anyroads. First smile I’ve had on ma kisser for a fortnight. 🙂

Capella

@ Dorothy Devine – the answer is self evident! Every time a Scottish team/ player is in a final, just keep hoovering till they win. I bet you stopped at injury time in the rugby?

robbo

Has anyone seen this fecking rocket man?/ Sorry know how to get better link its on that crap Daily Record site full of ads.

link to dailyrecord.co.uk

CameronB Brodie

robbo
Link and webpage for achieving future links. Just copy the link you want to sanitise into the long red box. It will tell you if the page has already been archived, so no worries about breaking anything. 😉

link to archive.is

link to archive.is

Dorothy Devine

Capella , will do! In fact I’ll iron , redecorate , garden , wash the car , cook , anything at all!

Do you think I should do the same during Indyref2?? Would it help us win?

Macart , it made me grin from ear to ear particularly as the pundits were so obviously shocked.

Cactus

Ahm back in Bonnie Balfron Bonnie Scotland 2019.

In a country bar wae an open fire.

Ahm an Aries.

cynicalHighlander
Cubby

Examples of Britnat TV coverage broadcast in Scotland

1. For the rugby union fans. STV news reports on the rugby but fails to mention the fact that Scotland won (retained ) the Calcutta cup today even though there was a full report on the actual game. I’m pretty sure that I remember them for many many years gleefully reporting the fact that England won the Calcutta match.

2. Also big TV reports on the 200 mile walk for Brexit and Farage having another pint of beer. Of course there was absolutely no coverage of the 500 mile walk for Scottish independence last year.

It will be nice when Scotland is a normal independent country to have normal TV coverage. It will be nice to watch TV and not have everything Scottish fronted with Scotland or Scottish as if Scotland is a foreign country. If something is English it is called the The National……… if it is Scottish it is called eg the Scottish National Orchestra. A bit like you might call the Austrian National Orchestra.

cynicalHighlander

Slow off the blocks.

CameronB Brodie

cynicalHighlander
You calling me nippy? 😉

robbo

CameronB Brodie says:
16 March, 2019 at 11:10 pm
robbo

cynicalHighlander says:
16 March, 2019 at 11:19 pm
Slow off the blocks.

Sorry guys it was me slow. I have never seen it b4 and didn’t look at date lol. Late sat fur me. But still raging at the twat anyway- tosser he was.

AndyMcKangry

Dom@7.46
The SRU is probably full of BritNat Unionists and a few of the “posher” clubs will be too, but the rest of your assertions are definitely wrong.
I’ve been in and around rugby for many a year and there are more than plenty on our side of the fence.
Fin Russell’s granny who only passed away a few years ago was a well respected stalwart of the SNP and the cause of independence all her days.
Don’t tar everyone with the same brush.