Wings Over Scotland

Hahaha, brilliant as always Chris. 100mph into a brick wall with no airbags. Jump now Hamish.

No seat belt on either. This isn’t going to end well.
Very skillful cartoon Chris.

Excellent!

Is the rumour true that iEngland plans to relaunch an updated Morris 1000 with plastic body and 600cc two stroke two cylinder engine after Brexit?

‘Mon Hamish, time to go.

Jump! Scotland.
It’s not a leap of faith that is required, it’s common sense. Return our Nation to its natural state of independence.

What’s normal for every other nation has been disproportionately demonised by a small cabal of power-seeking aristocrats, politicians, media owners and paranoid middle-class hangers-on.

It’s only a Minor detail. The good ship UK is rudderless,leaderless, and worst of all clueless.

How on earth can people entrust their and their children’s future to such a collection of imbeciles. It’s true what they say about people being easily led to disaster, spurred on by the application of bigotry,racism and xenophobia liberally applied by politicians and media.

I am actually coming to the incredible conclusion that the SNP he to get hold of the whole of the UK and shake it back to its senses. I know that would never happen, but there is something very disconcerting about watching Engerrlund destroy itself through hatred of others, laced with arrogance and superiority, albeit with no ability at all.

We need to gain control of the asylum before the lunatics.

Let’s run our small country based on;-

Our sense of right-and,wrong.
Our sense of economic-risk.
Our own natural resources.
Our respected academic community.
Our international relationships.
Our productivity.
OUR FUTURE.

@Morgatron says: 10 February, 2018 at 7:33 am:

“Hahaha, brilliant as always Chris. 100mph into a brick wall with no airbags. Jump now Hamish.”

That vehicle looks very like a Morris Minor convertible, Morgatron, thus Chris made certain there were no air bags fitted in such an old car.

Chris never misses a trick and the small detail is always just spot on as he hammers nails on the head.

Brilliant as ever!!

This seems wholly appropriate ..

EU negotiator Michel Barnier warns Brexit transition period ‘not a given’

link to archive.is

Unless it’s a PFI wall and will crumble on impact, England’s fecked.
Ace, as per, Cairns.
I’ve just listened to Davidson on the Radio Forth Phone In. She really is an empty headed little self promoter, isn’t she? She was in good company. I take it that this is standard fare for ‘Scoddish’ steam radio these days?
‘When they phoned me up, and asked me tooo dooo this’. Aye, right.
The sooner she fuck’s off to the Motherland, the better.
The sooner we hold Indyref 2, the sooner we get rid of this evil little bunch of chancers.

I wondered whether instead of calling her Colonel Davidson we start a theme of ‘Begging Bowl Betty’ instead. Because one of the major differences between those of us on the YES side and the Unionists is that we are clear that we want to stand on our own two feet economically whereas Unionists are willing, in effect, to sponge off English taxpayers (saying eg Scotland is an economic basketcase ). This theme might also go down well amongst those older voters who generally don’t want to feel they are subsidised.

Aye Tereza’s Brexitears thought it would be ah Breeze to leave the EU & the world’s largest trading Block with no penalties .

Great toon Chris U could draw a wall fur Trump he’s having some difficulties building his .

The acting Chief Constable of Polis Scotland has just issued an apology to the MacLeod family in Wick who maintain that their son was murdered there over 20 years ago & have had no justice whatsoever from the Northern Constabulary. An enquiry is promised & as there are other murder cases in the Northern Constabulary’s patch with unsatisfactory outcomes, Iain Livingstone might be a busy man!

This is the kind of parochial policing that Leslie Riddoch & Willie Rennie, through rose-tinted glasses, think is appropriate for Scotland in the 21st century!

Bob Mack at 9.47

Exactly

Robert Louis @7.55am. “Why is the UK government operating and making policy in secret”

Their actions and policies are not going to be in the interests of the population

For the Tories “Taking back Control” is all about the Tories regaining control of their serfs.
We’re heading back to Rip off Britain of the 1970’s and beyond.

And they will do anything to make sure they are in control of the process.

Those of us lucky enough to have our own cuddly Hamish will be giving him a cuddle, to protect him from that crazy John Bull 🙂

Jump Hamish, the old Moggie took about 30 seconds to get to 60 and it was a push to go much faster than that.

An appropriate choice of vehicle to depict the UK negotiating team come to think of it.

That’ll leave a mark. 🙂

Cracker Chris.. the question is who benefits from this, who is waiting on the other side of the wall to pick up the salvageable bits and leave all the shit for us mere mortals. Health care companys from Merica will be waiting with contracts prepared!!

Another superb cartoon, Chris, crafted as usual with the aid of a scalpel.

The UK will be a write off.

That’s why Hamish is saving Scotland.

Notice how JB is driving in a sleepy hypnotic trance.

And they all lived happily ever after.

The End.

Fin.

no crumple zone in a moggie & no transition period in brexit, its a car crash right enough, great toon chris

Nice one Chris.

Though I still think JB will crap his Union Jack Y fronts and veer away at the last second.

The brinkmanship used by the arrogant entitled British is probably just a charade to appease the hard brexiteers.

Soft Brexit dressed as hard,is their game IMO.

Brexiteers would love to go back to the great days of Brutish motoring,

blue passports and Brutish Leyland cars,Hillman Imps and MG Rover sun always shining knotted handkerchief and lamb chops for tea,

nostalgic pish.

Ah see the Chris Cairns/Greg moodie talk in Edinburgh today is full (sold out) (the tickets are actually free).

link to eventbrite.co.uk

Regarding the cartoon,

Driving into a brick wall, just sounds so very, very ‘british’. Yet another blunder under the banner of rule britannia stupidity. Brexit means brexit, we’re doing it no matter what, who cares if we trash the country and Scotland too, who cares if we end up with no fresh fruit and veg on the shelves, who cares if thousands lose their jobs and their homes. Time to do or die.

Just like Balaclava, eh brexiteers. It is not for us to question why.

“..Was there a man dismay’d?
Not tho’ the soldier knew
Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred…”

From ‘The charge of the light brigade’
Alfred Lord Tennyson.

@Robert Louis says: 10 February, 2018 at 7:55 am:

“Is a covert, secretive, UK Government really what brexit means??”

Don’t know about that, Robert Louis but I had Radio Jockland on as background noise this A.M.and heard some officious sounding English female stridently bemoaning the facts about Barnier and the European Union officials stance in relation to the United Kingdom Government, (a.k.a. the de facto Parliament of the Kingdom of England).

I wasn’t really listening until I became aware of what the female was moaning about, so I have no idea who, or what capacity she represented for the United Kingdom.

I found it very telling that every point she bemoaned, (i.e. the claimed lack of consultation with the Tory United Kingdom Government; the claimed European Union’s dictatorial attitude towards the United Kingdom/English parliament and so on), exactly mirrored how the Westminster Establishment has treated the Kingdom of Scotland since 1706/7.

The difference being that the United Kingdom is one of 28 equally sovereign member states of the European Union while the, so called, United Kingdom is legally supposed to be a bipartite union of two equally sovereign kingdoms but Westminster has never treated the union as such.

The brainless English female obviously couldn’t perceive the irony of her idiotic bleating and obviously wouldn’t appreciate that the European Union Officials, on the United Kingdom announcing BRUKEXIT, had immediately adopted the line, (and rightly so), that the negotiated and agreed Freedoms of the European Union could not be cherry picked by Westminster and that there would be no special deal for Westminster. They have not changed that stance one jot since.

It was always the case that the freedoms were sacrosanct and would not be changed to suit Westminster. It was always the case that Westminster must either accepted all freedoms together or they got none of them.

It certainly seems now that they will indeed get none of them.

galamcennalath says:
10 February, 2018 at 8:15 am

Excellent!

Is the rumour true that iEngland plans to relaunch an updated Morris 1000 with plastic body and 600cc two stroke two cylinder engine after Brexit?

Yes, it will be the only vehicle built in the UK and the only one available to buy. There will also be a 2 year waiting list to get one, and when your happy day arrives it will almost certainly break down on the way from the factory! East Germany used to have such an icon of automotive engineering, it was called a Trabant!

Just like that eh! Just saw this posted on WOS twitter.

link to gov.uk

@Bob Millar says: 10 February, 2018 at 9:39 am:

“This theme might also go down well amongst those older voters who generally don’t want to feel they are subsidised.”

Aye! Bob, but some of we older people knew full well that Westminster was ripping Scotland off ever since 1st May 1707 and have spent our entire life telly you and the other people of Scotland the facts – thing is you and those other younger people of Scotland were not listening and many of you who are now telling the tale told us we were, “The lunatic fringe”, and militant terrorists.

For Example we knew about the MacCrone Report but no one listened to us then. Yet now it seems it’s all the fault of the older generation, according to the now converted to the truth.

@Bill not Ben says: 10 February, 2018 at 11:19 am:

“He is driving towards hadrians wall from the scottish side …

There isn’t a, “Scottish Side to Hadrian’s wall, Bill not Ben.

Not only was it was built long before there was an England and Scotland but it is 100% well within what is The Kingdom of England and thus both sides are in England. But don’t tell the English that as they seem so certain that the wall was specifically built to keep the Scots out of England.

If we don’t tell them the real truth we will get a chunk of England when we take back our independence.

March 29th 2019 really could mean a sudden and sharp cliff edge brexit, with no transition deal.

This would be an utter catastrophy for uk business and industry.

On the other hand, it would be apparent a whole lot sooner, to everyone in Scotland (and ruk), that our economy would be decimated and Indy support would surely soar.

Make no mistake here, WM only wants a transition deal for one reason.

If there is a transition period, then the worse effects of brexit are hidden from Scots for another 2 years. (2021)

So, to hold an indyref in 2018 early 2019, as the deal goes to the EU for ratification/scrutiny, it (EU deal) can still be presented by WM as “not as bad as claimed”, which could help WM retain some No voters or waverers.

An absolute cliff edge brexit with no transition means the negative effects will be well under way before the No Deal/No Transition Deal is announced, will sharply focus Scots thinking between No to utterly disasterous brexit, or a Yes vote to independence, and getting our own deal to remain in the EU/Single Market/Customs Union.

I believe the latter scenario would result in a resounding Yes vote.

WM are desperate for No EU influence on our laws after march 29th 2019, but desperate to retain a transition arrangement, to facillitate a false sense of wellbeing, in the hope of fending off a Yes vote in late 2018/early 2019.

No transition deal is a disaster for WM in the battle to keep Scotland tied to the union.

Aye, “It will all be fine” mumbles he.

John Bull has been told that all he has to do is hit the ‘Turbo Boost’ button to try and clear the wall (which they built all by themselves). Although little does he know, their cliff edge awaits immediately beyond their wall.

Knight Industries Two Thousand technologies.

Impact assessment not looking good.

Happy landings, not.

“Pity, such a pity” says David Bowie (fae Labyrinth)

“Ride on, see you, I could never go with you…” says Hamish.

Love it, Chris.

Get oot o’ that heap Hamish! It’s the look on JB’s face – eyes open but not seeing (or ignoring) what’s in front of him. Does he really expect it to just disappear?

A few months ago we managed to get a lovely newish car (thanks to my dear old mum, god bless) and I’ve been trying to persuade Mr R that we splash out on a private plate for it. Needless to say it’s going to be a bit obvious and he’s worried that ‘the yoons’ll get it, do in the windaes or the tyres’. What to do?

@ Scott Finlayson 12.35pm

HEY YOU!!

The Hillman Imp was built in Linwood (no more) as well you know!

The one I had was the coopay model (true) and was a smashing wee motor.

Man the burds I pulled with that.

Aye happy daze, happy daze indeed. -:)

OT attitudes to women.

This utterly astonishing interview from 1970 has appeared in the last few days.

link to youtube.com

I have also read that Winnie Ewing had a tough time at WM, because she was female not because she was SNP.

I could say, “changed days”, but for some creepy men in WM, I’m not so sure it has gone away.

What are they prepared to do:

Just hearing about the UK Guv set to extend voting rights to “expats”
So many folk who live work and pay tax here DON’T get to vote but folk abroad who neither work here, pay tax here or indeed contribute here in any meaningful way, can vote!

Somebody at Whitehall must have been tasked with the job of calculating the numbers on how many votes for or against the Tories there are in this

Or could it be there are more folk against Scottish Independence abroad than in Scotland, because the Tories are not doing this just to be nice to people

Or might it possibly maybe mibbees huv jist a wee bit tae dae wae postal votes being dead easy to fiddle especially overseas ones, the British Army Scottish Referendum ones comes tae mind a wee bitty

Let’s just see how many “British” forces are seconded to Scotland before the next Indyref

They stop our kids voting, they stop our immigrants voting
they might as well just put Scotland under martial law

Christ! I might’ve put that idea in their heids noo

If they go through with this subversion of the voting system which is bad enough as it is they’ll just encourage the other side of the Independence argument who’ll be far less pleasant than we are

Maybe that’s what they want though, Ireland all over again, except this is Scotland and there’s a hell of a lot more angry members of that team than Ireland ever had

uno mas says:

Hillman Imp

It had a lot going for it. IMO a much better designed car than the Mini, despite all the hoo-ha and nostalgia surrounding the BMC offering. The Imp had an all aluminium engine block and sophisticated clutch gearbox system. And better use of space.

It was let down by poor manufacturing quality control. That must have been a Chrysler management issue. In general, though, UK cars were miles behind Japanese ones in terms of reliability. Nissans and Hondas from 1970 onwards came as a shock to UK manufacturers.

Marie Clark says:

I find the suggestion to give ex pats the vote in UK elections absolutely outrageous.

Quite so. By extension, they might want ethnic Scots living elsewhere in the UK to be able to vote in IndyRef2. That would be equally outrageous.

Democracy should always be about residency not ethnicity.

The last figure I can find for to allow ex pats is 5.5 million of which approx 8%-10% will be Scots.

This was in stats life. Org. Sizeable if around 500,000 were from Scotland.

Good one. Car maker’s also assessing how to get off.

link to swindonadvertiser.co.uk

Lots of American and Canadian Scots who knows how they’d vote, OK not many in Spain or France, but that’s hardly the point which is, no taxation without representation and it surely must work the other way round, no representation without taxation unless the government in England proposes to tax “expats” (bloody hate that stupid word) and in that case do the “expats” want to be taxed for not living in a country and not contributing to it

I could see a court case

Hard to believe that those who emigrated away from the UK, ie immigrants to other lands, would have a vote in UK elections. Something sinister there, but what’s new.

This idea is for the rich and powerful, who will be leaving promptly when the s**t really hits the fan re their brexit. They will become ‘expats’ and still want a vote in UKOK elections. I don’t think so.

I’m an “expat”. I and my husband pay tax and NI in the UK. Why should we not be allowed to vote? Just because we happen to work and live overseas?

I think you’ll find that many of the EU citizens working and living in the UK are still able to vote in their own countries too.

I’m Scottish and voted Remain. If I had been allowed to vote in Indy1, I’d have voted Yes.

No matter where in the world I have been, there are always plenty of Scots living and working there. Do you consider them no longer Scottish then?

“Spittin feathers now. GRRRRRRRR”

Re car manufacturing in the UK and EU. Up to now the owners of the factories have held off on updating/changing the infrastructure in the UK factories for the change over to all electric cars.

At the same time many of their factories in the EU have been upgraded to produce either or in terms of oil burning or electric, with a view to going all electric soon.

If they have to up sticks from the UK, its not the end of the world for them.

Re expats getting the vote. Very alarming. How many of English origin, will game the system and claim Scotland as their area for voting. Rather a lot I suspect.

As a consolation when we have Indy ref2 we set the terms. Hope we get a move on soon.

Thanks Nana for all the links.

The penny is beginning to drop for folks I think, but there’s nothing joyous about the ‘I told you so’s. The guy who fixes my car was a No voter. When the car went in for its MOT in January this year, he told me about the disaster that is Brexit. ‘People don’t realise just how big this is, all the car parts, all of them, come from Europe, and that’s just cars.’

Which was my prompt for a wee conversation.

So, Yes we can, and now we bloody well must.

Bob Mack
No apologies needed. I can see that there could be problems with postal votes, and I understand the need to sort this out, but I find the btl comments very anti “expats” on this site.

We are not all “rich”, we are not all “unionists” or “Brit nats”. We have not all given up on an independent Scotland.

I imagine the percentages of “yes” and “no” voters of Scots overseas probably work out the same as those in Scotland – or maybe even more in favour, as I have found Scots abroad tend to be more proud of Scotland when away from home.

I still have family and friends in Scotland. Not all are Yessers, sadly, and I work very hard to try and convince them to change

Expats voting.

Tatu 3 – with this new voting system I believe you and your husband should be able to vote, the old ‘no representation without taxation’ or whatever. If you are required by your work to live and work abroad but pay tax here in Scotland do you have an ‘S’ on your payslip/P60? This should be the deciding factor on whether ‘expats’ could vote in Scottish elections.

I also believe this will be abused by the system.

My hubby has relatives who have been in Canada for over 50 years. I don’t think they should have the vote.

I have noticed a few comments above about recent comments from the Japanese with respect to Brexit and its likely effects on their investments in UK.

This should not have come as a surprise to the UK Government because way back in September 2016 the Japanese sent a very detailed, 15 page letter to the UK Government setting out what it wanted/needed from the Brexit negotiations if it was to continue with its investments in the UK.

Here is a link to an article published at the time in the Guardian.
link to archive.is

I think some of the comments at the time were along the lines of ‘the Japanese have produced more than the UK Government hasconcerning negotiations and what is required from them’ That still appears to be the case.

O/T

Independence Live crowd funder – 94% and 15hours to go.

Come guys, no good moaning about the EBC & other sh:tes.

Also remember your daily TSTV.

We need every platform to get the word out there.

Well, they do call them Moggy Minors, Rees-Mogg will be so pleased.

@H&S
I had 2 of them, an 848 split-screen and a 998, with a standard tolerance of a thou, I smoothed out mine and tuned them, valves lapped the lot – all standard parts, and kept going by knowing every scrappie around. I broke a crankshaft in two on the 998 after a 90 mile measured on the A1 / M1 by speedo and mileposts at 95 mph.

As I always say, it’s not the car that’s slow, it’s the driver.

Re ex pat Scots. The largest group will be living in England. When they won’t be exposed to campaigning, only the most politically engaged will bother exploring the real issues behind our bid for Indy.

I may be wrong, but I suspect many would vote to maintain the Union because as residents in England they will consider that to be in their personal interests.

Approx. 750,000 people living in England were born in Scotland. Over half a million could register to vote if it were allowed. That could be 1 in 8 voters!

I think it wrong that they can so fundamentally effect Scotland’s future when many of them will probably never move back.

Of course in all things there are always exceptions, like The Rev himself.

As for the rest of the world, I see figures of about quarter of a million. To be honest I think them more likely to vote YES, especially those in the EU.

However, a simple and fair approach IMO is only those who have been resident in Scotland for a reasonable time should vote in Indyref2.

Allowing so-called Scottish expats to vote in any future referendum would be the summit of folly. If you’ve met one you would understand immediately why. Reactionary Unionist, little Englanders to the their finger tips. Political clones of Davidson’s dreary gang.
Besides as the British state does not require its citizens to have ID cards the logistics of such an enterprise would be complex and open to massive fraud.

@ Ottomanboi

I am a Scottish expat and I am typing this post with my non ractionary non unionist non little Englander finger tips.

There are plenty of Scots who live outside the country and support independence.

Good friend of mine has lived in England for many years and there’s no doubt she would vote against Indy. There again she is a Borderer but the last conversation I had with her about the issue got a bit heated. She insisted things were very nasty in her old home town at the time of the 2014 referendum and naturally the Yes voters were to blame!
I’m pretty sure she believes everything she reads in the gutter press down south because Nicola is the most awful woman apparently. Not a good idea to give these expats the vote imo.

Ottomanboi says:
10 February, 2018 at 6:41 pm
Allowing so-called Scottish expats to vote in any future referendum would be the summit of folly.

Complete nonsense. Insulting as well. You would think that well educated, skilled Scottish citizens with international connections would be considered an asset to a newly independent country.

Under no circumstances should ex-pats be allowed to vote.
Most of them look back at home through rose tinted spectacles, and remember the happy times in the old country, they resent the thought of any change to their ‘Auld Country’ and would rather things were left the way they were.
.

I personaly would not wish to be allowed to vote in an election in a country where I did not live or pay taxes.

People who migrate vote with their feet.

End of!

The ‘ex-pat’ question is one which causes full-on arguments and bitterness. Alex Salmond, in interview post-indyref 1 (forget where) said that deciding who would be granted a vote was one of the most difficult things the SNP had to wrestle with, and he said it in such a way that it was difficult not to surmise that he felt they’d got it wrong.

I don’t have any strong feelings on it one way or t’other – I just want *my* vote to be counted properly and the poll to be fair. That’s all. Decisions on who should be eligible should be made by the SG. Likewise with other contentious issues e.g. currency – just keep things as simple as possible, make yer minds up, then stick to what you’ve said. Indy supporters then get behind you and we make the final push to rid ourselves of these WM maniacs.

O/T

The National today had an article that reported the negative impact on the UK’s trade deficit recently due to a temporary closure for repair of the North Sea Forties Oil Pipeline. (link to thenational.scot )

Linked to the short term closure of the pipeline, The National’s piece states: “… the ONS (Office for National Statistics) said a drop in the UK’s oil exports – as well as large increases in the price of fuel imports – had the largest impact on the trade in goods deficit, which widened by £3.3bn, …” Note that figure, an increase in the deficit by £3.3bn, from what was a short term operational interruption.

This is worth thinking about very carefully. Once Scotland becomes independent, c.90% of the present oil production from the UK Continental Shelf overnight becomes production from Scottish waters i.e. IT BECOMES SCOTLAND’S EXPORTS, no longer an export from the Kingdom of England.

From England’s perspective, it will be like the Forties Pipeline being closed permanently – except much worse!

In my darker moments, I fear that the implications for England’s presently fragile economy of Scotland becoming independent are so bad (much worse than but added to BREXIT) that the very substantial and ruthless powers of the British establishment will simply not permit it to happen!!

I am definitely in the minority amongst the ex pat Scots that I know down here. As in I, of course, can’t wait for Scotland to be a normal self governing country.

I blame the press and negative media. (However one is Highland land owning Tory farmer stock!)

Much as I would love to be able vote for Indy, if expats skewed the vote and the result (whatever it was) turned out to be a disaster for Scotland then we wouldn’t have to live with the consequences. And that doesn’t seem right to me.

Robert Peffers @ 7:26 pm

I’d like to say I agree completely with your analysis.

What you argue for is completely compatible with the CIVIC NATIONALISM that I understood that the vast majority of the Yes movement agreed with. If I’m wrong on the latter then we need to beware – there are some very unpleasant ‘slippery slopes’ out there!

Dr Jim @ 3.09pm

No taxation without representation and it surely must work the other way round, no representation without taxation

100% correct Doc and I think that should be included on EVERYONE’S response on the SG’s website

link to consult.gov.scot

C’mon people lets show Nicola that we will not allow wastemonster to fcuk with our ref , and let’s make it clear we DEMAND independent non electoral commission observers ,no holiday home owner votes , no non resident student votes . postal votes severely restricted and proof required to qualify , minimum residential qualification of 6 years

As others have posted if you don’t pay TAX here you have no right to determine OUR and our KIDS FUTURE

@Robert Peffers

Pretty much Robert. The franchise criteria currently stands as residence. The people who live, work and pay taxes within Scotland’s borders.

I don’t see that changing as regards Scottish elections or a referendum (at the moment). Of course the UK’s diaspora have an opinion on the politics of their point of origin. It’s only natural and all too human, but they chose to live, work and pay taxes in some other part of the globe. That is the nation to which they owe their own current focus.

To those who wish the indy movement well from overseas, their support is greatly appreciated and any aid in making our case heard across the globe likewise.

Please understand that the vote of any referendum rightly belongs to those who wish to make life in Scotland their future.

Ian Brotherhood;

re Alex Salmond 2014 vote

I distinctly remember him doing a Q and A after a TV discussion and a young, smartly dressed lad asked, I was born and raised in Scotland but I’m working here in London now, is it fair that I won’t get the opportunity to vote re indy?

Alex’s reply was classic, he was polite, firm and informative -the referendum about Scotland’s future should be decided by the people who live and work in Scotland, this is standard practice in national referenda and since it is happening two years from now, that’s surely enough time for you to get a job and move back to Scotland in time to vote if that is so important to you.

I took that advice, moving back in July 2014 ( without a job to go to) but ensuring that I had the right to vote.
I sometimes wonder if the young man did, or was he a plant?
Knowing what we do about the rigging of QT audiences, I suspect he was the latter…

Uno Mas , Tatu3 AND all SCOTS FROM ANYWHERE , Genuinely THANK YOU for your support for our country Scotland ,

Please do not take the discussion and comments on expats as derisory or bigoted towards yourselves , it is just that we in Scotland are suffering the austerity , brutality , denigration , disrespect , lies and misinformation on a daily basis personally , and I like many are totally suspicious that the WM govt conceding voting rights to expats is totally out of character for them , as you are all probably aware these duplicitous dangerous cretins never give anything away for free unless it is a life threatening illness .

So with these thoughts ask yourselves in our situation what would your reaction be .

Again thanks for your support and we hope you will come home and help us build a Scotland fit for EVERYONE

Hi from Oz.
My guess is the redacted word is ‘normally’

No residency period then no vote simple.

@silverbuick 9:01pm
Agreed.
We think like Scots, talk like Scots and act like Scots. We ARE Scots.

We just should not have the vote unless we are resident.

@frogesque.

I agree about giving our support even if we can’t vote. I support Wings, obviously, and love my iScot subscription and am a member of the SNP, even though I can’t vote for them. I support many of the causes highlighted on these pages. It’s not much but I hope it helps.

There is a family home that I hope to be able to afford to keep on when it will, sadly, become empty. I hope one day to return with my Scottish passport and the kids too, who desperately wanted to stay members of the EU.

I would like to see Barnier, or whoever make some definitive statement regarding Scotland’s ability to stay in the EU. It could be a game changer.

Silverbuck 9.01pm There is no arguing about who is a Scot and who isnae , if you want tae be a Scot you ur , the discussion not argument is about voting rights , if you have an opinion you are welcome to share it , people may not agree with your opinion but that is their prerogative . Don’t just lurk give opinion

So hands up those who believe the Herald article today that Sturgeon has won and May has done a u-turn on clause 11.

link to heraldscotland.com

Maybe someone can Arcive it for us. -ta!

We’ve to believe that WM ministers have agreed that powers returning from Brussels should go to the devolved Scottish Government. Fears that Peers would reject the Bill as unconstitutional have caused the reversal of the planned return to WM.

Here are the weasel words from the Herald Article ( my italics) and I think this is the WM get out clause which will allow them to send all the returning powers to Fluffy at his new super -duper HQ in Edinburgh:-

*One source close to the process explained: “Officials working on Clause 11 are now moving to a phase where they put the powers more directly into the hands of the devolved administrations; reversing where Clause 11 actually started from but enabling the UK Government to put in appropriate safeguards to protect the internal market as and when they are required. This is of fundamental importance.”

The vast majority of the 111 powers and responsibilities coming from Brussels after Brexit Day will go immediately to Holyrood but others will need common UK frameworks to protect the internal market.*

I think his will Mary, don’t know if many have noticed but on Stu’s twitter page it no longer says ‘Bath’ as his location, it says ‘Greater Scotland’. Unless he’s just put that there to establish his ‘Scottish’ bonefides, I think it may mean that he is already back in Scotland.

I could of course be completely wrong about this, but it has definitely altered from his previous location of Bath.

They knew in the Lords, in fact it was a central part of many of those participating in the debate, that they had to find some weasly worded way of the devolved powers returning directly to the parliament, if they didn’t then the UK faced huge constitutional crisis? It was inevitable that they would fudge this in some way to somehow get ‘legislative consent’ from the parliament.

Now, where does this leave us, we’re still coming out of the CU and SM? What fucking difference whether we have 111 powers or none, when our economy will be devastated by this?

The Herald article is “Oh look there’s a squirrel!” Bullshit.
The big story is Japanese car companies’s plan to relocate post hard Brexit.

Holy shit don’t mention that.

All will be for the best in the best of all possible worlds.

Oops.

Meg merrilees @ 9.28pm If that Herald story is “true”, whit the hell is Mundell up too. He seems to be busy empire building in Edinburgh.

I’ll no haud ma breath on this one.

To all of you folk who are upset by the expat vote thingy, read twathater at 8.56 & 9.24 and Macart @ 9.41pm, says it all really.

To all the lurkers, lurk no more, and welcome. Give us your views and opinions, nice to have some newer voices.

That’s just reminded me I’ll need to phone my Aunty in Birmingham for her permission and approval as to what colour I paint ma hoose

Oh haud oan I’ve got a nephew in America am I no entitled tae a vote on sumthin there then

Christ on a bike!

As I believe the F.M. quoted recently, “I am Scottish by formation” from author Muriel Spark. Thanks for the kind replies everyone.

Welcome silverbuick.

Being a Scot arises from being born in Scotland, or having parents or grandparents born in Scotland and choosing to become a citizen of Scotland, or, coming to live here and with the necessary residence qualifications, seeking Scottish citizenship,

The idea that I can be born in say, China, live in China, but believe that simply believing myself a Scot makes me legally a Scot, is without basis in law, as well as being rather ridiculous and just a shade delusional.

I might drive at 90 miles an hour but consider myself as driving at 70 miles an hour. A speed gun and the law of the land will decide the reality of my situation.

I might drive at 90 miles an hour but consider myself as driving at 70 miles an hour. A speed gun and the law of the land will decide the reality of my situation.”

Ex[ats or immigrants, whatever happened to John Barrowman or rather, what did he spend his share of the JK Trolling Better Together millions, all the way from Palm Springs, California, USA. Its him what Teresa wants to give the vote to, which is very generous of her.

From the UKOK archives.

link to youtube.com

Aye may have found the very four-wheeled beastie:
link to youtube.com

If it’s good enough for the c_a_h / t_s_ / d_m_y (singular)

Why would they want to crash it into a wall?

Spare parts are not available.

Pity, such a pity.

Mornin’ Robert Peffers ~

Do ya reckon John Bull could do with a Cargobob to try n get over:
link to youtube.com

Not too long to go now.

Cargobob to no avail.

Love Scotland.

Everybuddy.

@manandboy says: 10 February, 2018 at 11:59 pm:

“The idea that I can be born in say, China, live in China, but believe that simply believing myself a Scot makes me legally a Scot, is without basis in law.”

Balderdash!

You are confusing three quite different things – ethnicity, culture – and law.

For example Cliff Richards was born in India, of English parents. Is he Indian or English? What, though, if he had been born in India of English parents but brought up by an Indian Nanny as culturally Indian?

I worked with a bloke called Hamish MacAlpine whose Scots born mother and father died in a shipping disaster. He was adopted and brought up from a baby by a an English couple in Portsmouth.

He was thus ethnically Scottish but had never lived in Scotland and was most certainly culturally English. What’s more he didn’t want it any other way and actually disliked Scotland and Scots.