Wings Over Scotland

Captain yossarian.

Talking it up for the good ole Blighty on a Scottish independence site,
Talk about brass neck.

Captain yossarian.
It would be awfully nice of you to display you’re opinion on my second last post,
I am intrigued to find out how you intend saving the other half of Britain from a government / Parliament in London trying to claim it is sovereign because that would knock out people sovereignty down south wouldn’t it,

Professor Tom Devine wants to know why Scots are so apathetic and gutless, towards this ever increasing authoritarian union-don’t we all.

link to archive.is

So Afghanistan president Ashraf Ghani fled Afghanistan with four luxury vehicles, and a shit load of cash on a helicopter, I suppose we should expect that from a US/UK puppet president, who worked at the World Bank, and then became Hamid Karazi’s Finance minister, Karazi himself, a corrupt US puppet president.

If nothing else the people of Afghanistan are better off without these two, who have fleeced the Afghan people from day one.

‘The current fiscal and monetary union that exists within the UK clearly works smoothly and to Scotland’s considerable advantage compared to the alternative proposed by the SNP.’

Ronald MacDonald.

What advantage is there for the rest of the UK England in particular?

Surrounding the British in their castles might just work for us.

What has Westminster done for Scotland?

They have borrowed a shit load on money on our behalf.
Money that we will have to pay back + interest.

The Unionist argument seems to be that an iScotland would not be able to borrow money and that’s why we need to remain in the Union.

Is that true?

It sounds a bit far fetched.

chas.

Scotland has no debt for it hasn’t borrowed, in 2014 the then PM David Cameron said that if Scots vote yes to independence, that the rUK would keep and service the debt.

Ah well, I see Wee Sturgeon is demanding that we take a wedge of Afghans who want to leave Afghanistan.

Maybe these immigrants, could be put to good use replacing the EU citizens who left, or more accurately were encouraged to leave in their droves after Brexit. Strange moreover that with Sturgeon having no say in who is retained in our country and no say about the Europeans chased out of the country, that she’s now giving it the big shout to have thousands of Afghani’s relocated to Scotland.

Certainly comes across that she has a bias fir one class of people and an affection for another class of people. So why are we not opening our doors to Syrians, Ughars, Somalians and all the other countries of the world.

Moreover will these Afghani’s become the new Windrush generation in a few years when Bkighty decides it doesn’t like coloureds of a certain hue or folks of the wrong religion and or cast. What was done to the Windrush generation was pure racism.

Ah Surgeon, an absolute charlatan of a politico blowing in her master’s wind.

Shocked
at 12:52 pm and 4:54 pm

Seems like the needle has become lodged in the grooves. We all agree on what SNP has become, but, singling out one of Wings best contributors as the fall guy for the election result is puerile.

To then continue by using a scattergun to attack all Wings readers who may have voted SNP 1 as being responsible is not credible. You condemn those who voted SNP 1, yet at the same time praise the architect of this strategy?

I did not vote SNP 1, but I did not believe that it could cost them a seat because virtually every constituency seat that might have been lost by them would have been recouped because their useless, wasted, 1.1M regional votes would then have become live.

We all had a desperately difficult decision to make in May and knew in our hearts that there was going to be no good outcome if ALBA failed. There was never the slightest doubt about who would be the largest party would be.
But a renaissance is coming. Next month, a clear direction, renewed energy, and all systems go.

chas says:
18 August, 2021 at 7:10 pm
Ruby

Scotland runs at a deficit. That is without Scotland taking on board it’s share of UK borrowings should we go independent. Circa £250 billion. Who would want to lend money to Scotland on that basis?

Reply

The RUK seem happy to!

@chas 7.10 pm

Virtually every country runs a deficit (not Norway I think….why might that be I wonder?). Scotland’s share of any debt would have to be negotiated, and would be dependant on receiving our fair share of UK assets. The Czechs and Slovaks did this fairly amicably in their velvet divorce. There would also be the matter of how much the rump UK would have to pay both to continue any short term use of Faslane and agreeing any clean up costs when the Scottish government requires the removal of WMDs.

Bear in mind also that Ireland never repaid the share of imperial debt it had negotiated to take, in return for “agreeing” to the border delimited by the boundary commission.

Scotland will (virtually whatever settlement it makes) emerge as an independent nation with advantages that no other newly independent state could dream of. Have any of those states collapsed? Does Slovenia or Estonia (or many others…) find it impossible to borrow money on the markets?

The EU would be falling over itself to get Scotland onboard as soon as possible – assuming that’s what Scots want of course. Personally I’d rather stay out but the majority is probably against me.

I’ll take you on your word that you’re not a unionist. I accept that the economic questions were not handled well in #indyref1, but the problem for unionists and Better Together is that their pretensions to economic competence have been holed below the water line by brexit. In addition Project Fear worked last time, but is unlikely to be as successful next time: the risks of staying in the union were largely ignored during #indyref1 but next time they are likely to have much more prominence.

Difficult questions, yes…but those exist for both sides.

As I’ve said previously, there are NO plans in place for an independent Scotland. If questions are asked and are deigned worthy of a reply, then the answers are made up on the hoof. Nobody has given it serious thought. It’s all ‘We’ll sort that out after independence’ which like Brigadoon, is unlikely to materialise anytime soon.

Talking of independence, it occurred to me that the silence from Alex Salmond/Alipa Party is absolutely deafening. Where are they in all this? Where’s THEIR plan?

For any who are interested:

Statement of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan on the latest advancements and developments in the country

alemarahenglish.net/?p=48412

For those who do not want to click on the website –

We declare the following points regarding the latest developments and advancements in our beloved country:

1-The areas and provinces that come under the control of the Islamic Emirate are in fact an obvious sign of the popularity and acceptance of the Islamic Emirate among the people. Such great and rapid progress cannot be achieved by force without the help of Allah the Almighty and our nation’s great and broad support, to which we shall thank all in words and deeds.

2- The Islamic Emirate once again assures all its citizens that it will, as always, protect their life, property and honor and create a peaceful and secure environment for its beloved nation. In this regard, no one should worry about their life.

3- The Mujahideen should pay utmost attention to the treasury, public facilities, government offices, equipment related to government offices, parks, roads, bridges. Al these are the trust and property of the nation; no personal tampering and negligence should be done with them, rather it should be strictly guarded.

4. All those who have previously worked and helped the invaders, or are now standing in the ranks of the corrupt Administration of Kabul, the Islamic Emirate has opened its door for them and have announced for them amnesty. We once again invite them all to come and to serve the nation and the country.

5- The military and civilian personnel who join the ranks of the Islamic Emirate should not be worried because the Islamic Emirate is determined to appoint them in a proper manner as per their abilities and talents to serve their country and nation in the future.

6. In areas which are under the control of the Islamic Emirate, people should lead a normal life, especially in the official arena, whether it is educational, healthy, social or cultural. No one should leave their area and country. They shall live a normal life; our nation and country need services, and Afghanistan is our joint home that we will build and serve together.

7. Recently, the Kabul administration has launched a series of baseless and vicious propaganda, in which they have given false information to some countries and international organizations. They have allegedly accused the Islamic Emirate of crimes committed by them, or are crimes of the intelligence agencies affiliated with them. Despite of that, they always publish fake declarations and statements under the name of the Islamic Emirate or by the name of the leaders and officials of the Islamic Emirate. Such lies and far-fetched propaganda can’t be reasonably and logically accepted. Sometimes they claim that the Islamic Emirate forces people to marry their daughters, or to marry them to the Mujahideen. Sometimes they say that the Mujahideen are killing people, killing prisoners and captives, and allegedly making various accusations which are all baseless.

8- The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is not interested in anyone’s private property, (not in anyone’s cars, not in anyone’s land and houses, not in anyone’s markets and shops), rather it considers protection of lives and properties of the nation its primary responsibility.

9- Those who have recently been affected by the enemy’s propaganda, displaced internally, or migrated to foreign countries, whether official or civilian, they should return to their homes and areas; there is no problem for them. We will protect their life, property and honor.

10- The Islamic Emirate has ordered its Mujahideen and once again instructs them that no one is allowed to enter anyone’s house without permission. Life, property and honor of none shall be harmed but rather should be protected by Mujahideen.

11- The enemy may have recruited some people to misuse the title of Mujahid to harass or inflict pain on the people. In this regard, the nation and people should help the Mujahidin to Inform the Grievance and Complaint Commission of the Islamic Emirate.

12- Our message to the businessmen, industrialists and investors is to carry on their business normally and to serve the nation. The Islamic Emirate will provide a safe and conducive environment for their business, and the Islamic Emirate struggles to help you what it can according to its capabilities.

13. Once again, we assure all our neighbors that we will not create any problems for them, they should thereby have confidence. We also assure all the diplomats, embassies, consulates, and charitable workers, whether they are international or national that not only no problems will be created for them by IEA but security and a secure environment will be provided to them. Inshallah

Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan

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@chas 9.24 pm

Strange that despite “not being a unionist” you are remarkably adept at regurgitating the Project Fear playbook whole, huh? What specific questions is it you feel haven’t been answered? You’ve simply made a number of assertions of how hard it would be: we all saw that ad nauseam between 2012-14. British nationalists and the MSM were of course adept at predicting the sky would fall in the event of a Yes vote, but oddly there was never any counterpoint about the risks of remaining in the union. Remember, we were assured that voting No was the ONLY way to stay in the EU.

As a founder member of Alba I happen to agree with you about the SNP. I’d personally prefer to remain outside the EU, but all the indications are the overwhelming majority of Scots are still pro-EU, and plenty of senior figures in the EU have indicated the EU will do everything feasible to ensure the fastest possible entry. There is no queue, and the commitment to join the Euro can be indefinitely postponed as Sweden shows.

And yes, of course we’ll need our own central bank and currency: that was the huge negative of the #indyref1 campaign (that and the fact we ran a one dimensional happy-clappy relentlessly positive campaign that never really laid a glove on Project Fear).

The idea that Scotland is somehow uniquely unqualified or unable to run its own finances is for the birds. It’s not lack of smarts, it’s lack of moral and political courage.

Scotland’s need for less than 3% deficit to join the EU, are mostly false.

link to theferret.scot

I mean I’ve got to hand it to the sturgeonites. The New SNP’s own figures show what an utter mess they are making of the economy and here they are trying to defend a corrupt incompetent who’s first finance minister was a barely literate paedophile and who’s second finance minister is a wee lassie who couldnae run a whelk stall. I bet they’ll wet themselves with excitement when the dribbling moron Yousaf gets the brief next.

I wonder when they will work out whose really to blame for this shambles. If only the party membership concentrated on getting the best people to run the party and lead the country rather than behaving like a deranged personality cult built around a corrupt liar like Sturgeon.

So the Scottish economy is fast turning into a dumpster fire. What’s Queen Nicola’s plan to sort this out?

Yes that’s right, shut down the oil and gas sector in order to keep the sexual deviants in the Green Party happy.

I don’t want to hear another one of you New SNP1 voters even mention Norway or oil ever again. You lot voted for this. Own it, take some responsibility and then do something about it. I haven’t seen a single one of you put your hands up yet and admit you made a mistake. The only way his is going to be sorted is when Nicola Sturgeon is kicked out of office. The country had its chance to get rid of her and you lot protected her.

So. The ‘I’m not a Unionist’ crowd are now on overdrive.
Trying to swamp the thread with bollocks maybe?
Chas
Shocked
Captain [‘close down Holyrood’] Yoonarian
etc
etc
Andy Ellis, who now runs the site, is at least in the Alba party; although he seems to be of the Blairite (ToryLite) tendency.
(Apologies, Andy; I thought you were blue, not red Tory).

link to archive.is

Mike Russell coming across as depressing gullible.

”… that’s what annoys me sometimes about some of the rhetoric I hear. They don’t know what people are up against and we really have to get this right.”

NO shit Sherlock. Problem is we DO know what you’re up against. It’s the feckless, timid wee lambs in the SNP who seem totally out of their death and overawed by the task they’ve been given.

And as for “getting it right”, it would seem you have yet to begin Mr Russell. The SNP’s apparent Constitutional illiteracy and failure to defend or even respect Scottish Sovereignty is inexcusable and unpardonable.

@dan

Considering all Alex salmonds economic advisors who had business experience have now turned their backs on Nicola sturgeon its a pretty good indication of the regard business has for her. Heck, some of them are even in the process of suing her.

Every single thing she has ever said about business whether it’s the national investment bank or her failed attempts to save businesses have failed. The plan for the mcvities plant was to get the idiot David Linden to try and tell a multinational company how to run its business without even offering any form of government aid, no wonder they laughed in her face as they pulled the plug.

There are plenty of competent business people in Scotland and none of them want anything to do with Nicola sturgeon. Her plan to shut down one of our most lucrative sectors of the economy to appease the freaks in the Green Party says it all. She had not got a clue. She can’t be trusted.

What’s really illuminating is that my telling the truth about Nicola Sturgeon has flushed out you, James and quite a few sturgeonites. None of you can take any criticism of the cult leader. You pretend to care about Scotland but in reality it’s all about the Nicola Sturgeon personality cult for you. Anyone criticises the leader and you take it as a personal insult or an attack on the country that you have been trying to destroy yourself. The stock insults of “yoon” and “unionist” come out because it’s all you’ve got as indeed it’s all she’s got. A third rate failed and bent backstreet solicitor who couldn’t stack shelves competently and you lot handed her the keys to the kingdom when she should be locked up in jail.

So here’s a suggestion for you, get yourselves organised for the next New SNP conference and chuck the entire party leadership out on their ears because until that bunch of liars, thieves, shysters and corrupt incompetents are out of government and we get someone competent in charge it isn’t going to get any better. Thing is it won’t happen, it’s all about Queen Nicola for you.

@James 11.11 pm

If you had me down as a Red Tory or even worse as “blue” I think we can safely discount your opinion on anything much. As for the “running the site” jibe I’m not sure it’s justified, nor would I want such an honour (liability?) 🙂

Of course it’s not hard to sound like the voice of reason when so much of the BTL discourse has descended into moon howling nativism, anti vaxx and 9/11 conspiracy theorising and vulgar abuse by a claque of folk who would – in better times – have gotten short shrift from most of the contributors.

Unionism in the U.K. must be some kind of brain disease.
I have been working for years on 2 die hard guys who seem
to deflect facts like water off a ducks back.

They don’t know each other but they could be twins.
Both outraged at Scotland being willing to take in Afghan
refugees.

I pointed out that Westminster controls Scotland’s borders, the Army
and foreign policy.

Westminster said 20,000 are coming in and have no say in any of the depts above.
We should be willing to take in innocent people who face execution for crimes such as showing your face.

The whole situation appears to be Nicola’s fault and we shouldn’t be showing willing to take them in but somehow, a somehow I just cannot understand, it’s fine if a clown in another country who has no
idea how combs works tells us how many refugees they are sending us.

Logic or the mental agility of a log.

@Thomas

Aye son, I’ve flushed you out as well. It’s an old trick I learned in the law, press people’s buttons and the truth comes out.

Keir is my “dear leader”? I was supporting Scottish independence when Nicola Sturgeon was ripping off battered women at her backstreet law firm. You see branding me a “yoon” is all you’ve got as well. Can’t take anyone insulting Queen Nicola, on a website run by a man who was telling you all for years that Nicola Sturgeon should be in jail and here you are defending her to the last claiming that you want Scotland to be independent. You don’t, you want it to be the personal fiefdom of Nicola Sturgeon.

None of you lot even seem to care that without a decent economy and a plan independence is dead. None of you care that all Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t care about independence, all she is interested in is personal power and money. Some of you even try to claim that “poor wee Nicola” is being blackmailed and bullied by the British state. It’s laughable, you can’t even see what’s right in front of you, but then again many of you are in on it. I wonder how many of the Nicola Sturgeon fanatics we get on here are part of the 55 strong New SNP propaganda team, it’s inconceivable that the party propaganda machine would ignore the most popular Scottish politics website and spend their time trolling, playing possum and attacking anyone who questions the party. Are any of you going to put your hands up and admit you’ve been busted? Or are you just going to call me a “yoon”?

Shocked

Aye , the ironies , hypocrisies and idiocies just keep multiplying

It’s like watching a multi-clown-car pile-up

Breeks

A referendum for recovery is an idea that is so fundamentally broken it’s only intention must be that it’s designed to fail and fail big.

A referendum for independence first and foremost offers people a chance to shape their future (it even says that on the tin) whilst the referendum for recovery offers only the vision set by Our Lady of Betrayal.

The entire campaign could be shot down in flames by simply comparing the Dear Leader to Hilary Clinton. Game, set, match and the championship to “Better with Boris”.

Until the (leader of the) SNP embrace the harsh truth that independence for the people of Scotland is also an extinction event for the party there can never be a successful campaign with them in the driving seat.

@dan

Aye trust in Queen Nicola.

You better go get Peter a coffee.

Green ink everywhere – it’s like trying to read the Herald below the line.

Every thing proven to be utter balderdash and piffle last time round now is being stated as fact to be disproved yet again.

Breeks @6.26am.

Reading Russell’s account on Brexit from the interview in the National, all he’s doing is whining I don’t think he is up to the task of delivering Scottish independence, he waffles on about how dirty and sneaky the Westminster government are, we know his and so should he by now.

He laments Brexit occurring yet his party did nothing on the indyfront at a time when we could have won an indyref.

Russell isn’t up to the task of planning and delivering an indyref, and even by some miracle he was, Sturgeon the Betrayer of Scots would never allow it to see the light of day.

Russell knocks it on the head for by vehemently claiming the £600,00 ringfenced indyfunds aren’t missing.

I wonder just how high they can spin the GERs figures before it becomes a laughing stock even in Unionist circles?

At the rate it has been increasing it will pass 100% in a few years ?

From yesterday. How “GERS” worked in India.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

RoS

Great stuff. You provide 2 links from SNP apologists to debunk the GERS figures.
I have no idea how accurate the GERS figures are. Neither do you. No one in the SG has prepared any projected financials for an Independent Scotland and the question has to be asked WHY? Are they incapable?
Probably best for you to continue to believe what you are told by Nicola and her band of incompetents, as they line their pockets, whilst the educated amongst us think for themselves.
Scotland needs to rid herself of Toryism for good but SNPism is equally as bad.

Could agree more with the earlier comments about the quality standards of the Hollyrood Parliament.

A total and utter disgrace. Peopled by weak, duplicitous, trough feeding political pygmies it is not difficult to see how people are turning away from the dead hand parish council that our pretends Parliament is.

Not of course that the incumbents taking a feed at the trough care two hoots.

The mighty president of the SNP towing a small horse trailer typifies where we are.

“I have no idea how accurate the GERS figures are”

chas.

Its alright chas we all know that, just as we know the GERS figures, are produced to show Scotland in a poor economic light.

The absurd figures are based on Scotland as part of this howler of a union, and with 40% of Scots spending reserved to Westminster as is 70% of Scots revenue, Scotland is financially constrained in this ball and chain of a union.

It may surprise you chas, but at present the UK’s deficit is around 14% the highest in Europe, however the difference between Scotland’s current position within this fetid union and that of Westminster’s is that, it, has all the levers of power afforded to an independent country, and is expected to manage the deficit, as an independent Scotland would having all the levers of power, indeed, this applies to all independent nation states around the world.

answering trolling fuckwits … makes you less than them, for idiotic whack a mole is a game that never ends

hey scexit secessionists – what will you use for the currency?
– the queen of ENGLANDS head is on it!
checkmate

Isaac newton, a true englishman, invented gravity – we have the copyright on the inverse square law
– how would you like floating off into space, tractors!
checkmate

GERS proves you can never “run the shop”
– and it’s a good job we don’t let you; THINK OF THE MESS YOU WOULD MAKE
… checkmate

scotland does not need to do averything in the world, absolutely perfectly to be a viable nation; at least our screwups will be our own and not because we are a petri dish for the esperiments of a malicious foreign elite; our wealth is ours to dispose of as we wish, and not to be pillaged by outsiders

– most of the “things you need to do” can be done simply by COPYING what other countries did, successfully

In one of his academic papers, Ronald MacDonald, PROVED Brexit could NOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN using a “big data” approach; he may even have used a SPREADSHEET, and/or “deep learning AI neural LURNINB COMPUTAZ”. Next up he is to predict the Boat Race – OXFORD, EACH WAY

– the man would be better employed “supersizing” a milk shake.

RoS

Who produces the GERS figures?

The COPFS are about to shaft Scots for another £25 million quid as law firm Duff & Phelps take them to court.

How much more money will this bent outfit cost Scottish taxpayers I wonder.

link to msn.com

chas @1.57pm.

You mean you don’t know yet you’re shooting your mouth off about how true the figures are, that says it all really.

GERS are compiled by Scottish government statisticians, Westminster does not think it is important that Scotland has it own economic data, so it does not measure it. It sends along half-hearted estimates instead. Scottish ministers have no hand in there production. This is why Finance Minister Kate Forbes wants to produce a proper set of figures.

The front cover of the GERS report tells you that 25 of the 26 reports are guesstimates.

RoS

It was a rhetorical question but you failed to realise that!

Your understanding of matters financial and economical are similar to that of wee Katie. She wants to produce a proper set of figures but can’t! Scottish Ministers have no hand in the production of GERS figures but they are compiled by Scottish Government statisticians!
Dearie me.

It is scary to think you are an alba member due to you brow beaten of your fellow Scot, you’re way or no way,
Is that how it worked, the cringe an change in snp. Was it not because a good number of bullies decided whom was not good enough to be in the snp. Then low n behold, they are not the original snp any more.
As to the other union clap hands let’s bring in Hammond. We may be small, we may be poor but we’re not that stupid.
A lot of us took a gamble we wish we did not have to make in the last election. A lot of us complained about that strategy right here on wings,
Our choice in voting here in Scotland was not between good and bad.
It was between bad and bad.

Here’s a fable out of the books of Scotland.

If we did not vote for the wicked witch, we would be left with the wicked wizards down south running the ancient kingdom of Scotland.
Many here knew the bad reputation of the warmongering wicked wizards from centuries of magic money handling that disappeared money from ancient Scotland and often reproduced it elsewhere on the magic on trees.
With only two choices, Which evil to chose

The people were left with the long shot that someone somehow in their kingdom may be brave enough to get rid of the wicked witch, a knight in the kingdom may come forth in shining armour,

the waiting was hard, months change to years and the the days have passed all to quickly. The wicked witches control of the evil Darkness could be seen creeping up across the land, onto the people swallowing them up. And should any step forward and protest, “ this is not right or fair “, they were held fast by their tongues and hands and thrown into the dungeons of political darkness.
The witch could be heard cackling with laughter when retelling her story to the green goblins. Boasting of the secret how the chair she sat upon was magic and gave her, her power.

So loud was the cackling she did not hear. The droning mumbles of wizards from faraway,
And under cover they discussed into the early hours how the witch must not gain any more power for she would take control of their realm too.

So it was decided that they would wait until she had weakened her ancient kingdom, ….for then the wizards could control all, as far as the eye could see,

They would fool her into thinking her power was almighty. Before they unleashed THEIR power,
Then they would destroy the powerful seat that she sat upon, they could tear down the structure around her to her feet. After all the wizards had the foresight that initially instigated the building and had installed weak foundations on purpose should this day ever arise. And they had their own powerful queen that could install secret citizens into halls,
Everything was falling into place beautifully, for she herself was doing the work for them by disposing of any knights in shining armour or contenders to the ancient Scottish throne.
She had even locked up nearly all her people in the land for fear there would be a uprising against her.

The day was fast approaching that they would take the power from under her.
Meanwhile they could continue their magic hand waving, reducing the kingdoms finances to further weaken the structures,

The peoples across the land were innocent in their naivety behind multiple smoke screens thrown at them, of the more power struggles taken place, of the conniving of the wicked witch and wizards in underground caves , both of whom seemed to be working together against the innocent people one moment and the next seemed to be opposing each other,
it was so confusing.
How were the people ever going to be able to make the right choice, when you only had two evils to chose from.

It is strange how the story of the kingdom of Scotland, reads like some witches and wizards are still living to this day, repeating ancient power games that are as old as the hills and older than the first fables, fairy stories or lore.
We have no queen to be rescued, and we have no knight in shining armour. We have confused people turning on each other while looking for a way out before the wizards destroy everything.

@Captain Yossarian,

are you saying this is the official verdict for why the building collapsed,

i had heard it was because of bad drainage on basmement car park roof that allowed water to seep through the concrete and contaminate the rebar causing it to rust and expand and fracture and fail the concrete.

Did She / Her Queen of Pronouns and Patron Saint of Burnt of Mandates ever actually specify which metric would be used to determine when the economic recovery from Covidz was satisfactorily back to a level whereupon the sovereign people of Scotland would be able to express their will on the question of whether Scotland should return to being a self-governing country?

Would this acceptable economic “recovery” point be classed as when we return to being just GERS shit rather than GERS really shit?

@Scot Finlayson – The official investigation hasn’t started yet but that’s what the independent experts are saying. No bloggers required. If that had happened in Scotland, the six experts would be in Saughton Jail by now for aiding ‘alphabet identification’.

@ Dan at 12.02 and BDTT at 1.35: thanks for the links to the Yours for Scotland and Grouse Beater articles on the English national delusion and the way India was reported Gers-like.

Both articles confirm and explain a great deal. Now all we do is find some politicians to take the necessary steps to get us out of the “UK”.

So who is going to Holyrood on 31st August to make this point? Their job is to get us out of the Union. We don’t need another vote in any form. There is an indy majority of MPs and of MSPs – that is all we need.

Re Craig’s letter, text is on the Craig Murray Justice campaign twitter. The subject is Afghanistan.

Listening to BBC Scotland at 5.15pm and a distraught and wailing Hossa from the North of Scotland the stops are out to have the nation straining at the leash to allow absolutely unrestricted emigration to Afghanis

The propaganda media manipulation of the BBC is in full flow. We’re not so humanitarian when we’re ombing the bejesis out of other countries.

@Skip_NC – I understand they are all from the National Institute of Standards and Technology. I’ve no idea who they are to be honest and I have never heard of them before, but the Americans have great confidence in them.

Dan

Is Katie tall?

@ Willie 5.27pm it is the way of the future Willie there is to be no countries, no borders, no nationalities, no history, no culture ,no sexes, we have all just to become one big homogeneous blob of worker ants working to benefit the superior intelligentsia of the new world order

The plans are already in place and moving forward with anyone being outspoken or challenging the mantra to be instantly denigrated and labelled as racist,terf,anti semitic, natzi,nativist, bigot or any other name that implies that the challenger holds views or opinions that should not be tolerated or listened too

The movement and progress has been slow due to not having enough disciples willing to dedicate their time and energy to promoting the new world order and hive mentality but they are making efforts to embed disciples in popular blogs and discussion forums which is showing benefits

@ Chas

You may class her a small, but she may Self ID as tall so best be wary of erring into hate speech territory.
Regardless of that, you exhibit inconsistency because you failed to use a size descriptor in your post for “Swinney”. So for the record would you describe him as medium sized or muckle?

Anyway, I’m going to take a few moments out to consider the plight poor Don is going through at this time, what with missing out on GERS Day commenting btl due to getting his ass banned.
The poor bugger will be bouncing off the walls at not being able to endlessly repost his LSE Blog link. And that frustration will be compounded further by him not having the foresight to set up a sleeper account before Stu took his sabbatical meaning no new accounts get through moderation.
It’s horrendous to think the pain he must be enduring when he could have been a sticky orgasmic mess…

The GERS scam is essentially the same as Al Capone’s Accountant keeping two sets of books. One set to go before the taxman and look honest and presentable, and another set of books which tell the much fuller story but which the taxman will never see.

chas @5.26pm.

chas, with Sturgeon in mind and her machinations, a true indy supporter will always defend Scotland against the false GERS figures, no matter who the FM is, you have been bigging up the GERS figures as true, that tells me a lot about you with regards to Scottish independence.

The really annoying thing about GERS, is that I would actually really like to know the truth about the UK economy, but in full detail, and not doctored according to taste. I honestly don’t believe Scotland would have anything to worry about… other than unnecessary decades spent trapped in this dysfunctional Union.

Scotland’s economy was always in surplus before the discovery of North Sea Oil, handsomely so according to John Jappy, so even if you choose to believe the fiction of Scotland’s debt, there’s clearly been something disastrous occurred in the last few decades under dismal UK mismanagement.

IF Scotland’s economy has strategic weakness, or whether the UK/ England has, understanding the full economic picture is essential to identify the problem and address it. But how can you possibly trust GERS which is essentially trying to money launder UK debt? The deception is just as debilitating as the bogus narrative.

I agree that the GERS figures are a complete fabrication and should be a well-kent trick by now, the same sleigh of hand having been applied to India.

Similar fanciful accounting was used following the discovery of oil in Iran. The following commentary is from Coup 53, a feature documentary about Operation Ajax, the 1953 Anglo-American coup d’état in Iran:

“When oil was discovered in Iran, Winston Churchill described it as “a prize from fairyland beyond our wildest dreams…” Thanks to Churchill, the First Lord of the Admiralty, he changed the British fleet from coal burning to petroleum based, and this was a life changing moment for the world because it made petroleum as important as it is today. Under the original agreement only about 16% of the oil revenue was supposed to be given to Iran, but that 16% was going to be calculated by the British, and no Iranian would be allowed to look at the books. We now know also that the amount was calculated after the oil company paid its taxes. Since the oil company was owned by the British government, when it was paying taxes it was essentially paying taxes to itself. So there was a lot of creative accounting, but in the end it was clear that nearly all the money from this tremendous resource was going into Britain and almost none was coming back to Iran.”

Sound familiar?

The above commentary also explains how Britain was instrumental in making oil the lifeblood of the military-industrial complex; one of the main factors leading to the ecological crisis we now find ourselves in.

chas @8.09pm.

You said.

“Scotland’s deficit is currently 22.4% of GDP yet the EU will still welcome Scotland with open arms? Agreed that there may be some transitional arrangements but 22.4% is a lot.”

If that’s not agreeing that the GERS figures are true then I don’t know what is.

Not only that but you put down two notable folk Gordon McIntyre-Kemp and Professor Richard Murphy who know far more about the false GERS figures than you, hardly a an approach from someone who supports an independent Scotland.

“Great stuff. You provide 2 links from SNP apologists to debunk the GERS figures.”

No chas I think I’ve summed you up to a tee.

“NIST is a federal agency, so they are a reputable source.”

Skip_NC @6pm.

Don’t make me laugh, next you’ll be saying that the NSA or the CIA are a credible source.

link to wikispooks.com

link to 911blogger.com

Oh and I find this report to be quite useful is separating the wheat from the chaff so to speak.

link to corbettreport.com

RoS – and here’s me talking about the lightweight spoofs of the SNP movement and, quick as a flash, pops-up RoS. He haunts this site like a old ghost.

Chas has never been the same since Dave left , that ol GERS pianna tune sounding a bit discordant : just ain’t no pleasing you eh Dave ?

The representatives from NIST so embarrassed by their beyond really and reason report into the collapse of the 3 World Trade centre buildings refused to answer questions from the Architects present at the only press conference ever held after their work of fiction was published .

To this day all the documents and information held by United States security services have been witheld from the public Bidon has been warned no to turn up the 20 the anniversary of 9/11 unless he turns over everything to the family’s of the breaved

@Robert graham – passenger planes full of aviation fuel crashed into the twin towers. The fire that engulfed the buildings was so hot that it melted and burned the aluminium of the aircraft. The impact removed the fire protection from the structural steel and the heat of the fires melted the steel and the towers collapsed. Exactly the same thing happened in Piper Alpha.

Hatuey says:
20 August, 2021 at 12:03 am

And, word on the street suggests we can look forward to some sort of big push in September: “SNP set to put second independence referendum plan in action next month”…

It’s all bullshit.

By Sturgeon’s own rhetoric she needs a definitive breakthrough on the Section 30 issue, which will require a court case not all that dissimilar from Martin Keatings, only this time with the SNP pushing it rather than frustrating it. There is no court case happening, nor is there any perceptible shift in the SNP’s unconstructive disposition.

The Holyrood Legislation needed to hold a Referendum isn’t in place. There is no Referendum Bill to hold a Referendum without a Section 30 Agreement.

I have zero faith in Sturgeon’s strategy, acumen, diligence or sincerity, but even if I park that lack of faith and give Sturgeon the benefit of the doubt, she not even doing anything to progress or legitimise her own plans.

In short, actions speak louder than words, and for all the words you hear, there is no action on the ground.

And half a million people signing up to a Referendum for Recovery? Did they aye? Who are they? When and where was the petition? That’s strange given the RfR rhetoric seems a recent change of reference, but paradoxically, for a new change of emphasis, it’s flat and stale already. Where was my chance to sign up? Nobody ever mentioned a Referendum for Recovery to me, and I kinda think I’d have heard about it.

We don’t need a referendum couched in any terms of “recovery” or transgender bollocks. What the fk is so complicated about a straight up referendum on Independence? Stop pissing about and get it on with it.

The only material change to anything is a hardening in my own cynicism. I don’t trust Sturgeon an inch, and she is now the last person I want to see steering the bus for Scottish Independence. She would lose it.

The only thing worse than Sturgeon doing nothing might actually turn out to be Sturgeon doing something. I just ache to see her resign and make way for someone more competent and capable with a modicum of integrity.

The figure of half a million signatures for the referendum for recovery comes from link to yes.scot which is, if I recall correctly, the petition for a new referendum launched two years or so ago. So it’s simply inept repackaging of what was already out there.

The blah needs to do the blah so the blah will be able to see what the blah is actually doing to the blah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Blah bla bla, heedly dum dee dee

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. ALBA ALBA ALBA .
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The SNP has been lost to the Wokerati and folk, especially at grass roots, need to wake up to that fact.

Apart from JC and those who went to ALBA, not a single dissenting voice re. Salmond, GRA, Hate Speech, Murray, feet dragging on IndyRef2, missing £600k, etc. etc. etc.

The only thing that remains unchanged in the SNP from 2014 is the party name – the rest is nigh unrecognisable. Just as Blair did to Labour, Sturgeon has done to the SNP. All we need do is insert the word “New” and there you have it.

So much in common between Blair and Sturgeon when you think about it. First word that comes to my mind when considering the two is “jail”. I wonder why that is…

link to m.youtube.com
A wise man.

“there has been a major collapse in the online banking system across the UK”

They were all down in France two days ago, so I’m wondering if there’s some kind of DOS or cyberattack going on. Would the banks even admit to paying ransomware?

In the ‘shut your piehole’ article Lord Duncan says

‘The former MEP revealed it was Ruth Davidson, former Scottish Conservatives leader and now Baroness, who asked him to take on the role in 2017– despite there being 13 Scottish Tory MPs in Westminster who could have done the job.
He explained: “The Scottish Conservative Party went from one MP to 13. But again, none of them became under secretary of state for Scotland. “That was me, the unelected one’

“Baroness Sausage’ didn’t have much faith in the unlucky thirteen.

RoS & Andy Ellis

Why don’t you both just come out and admit it.

The SNP led by Queen Nicola are doing a fantastic job and things will get even better when the loons in the Green Party are on board. Go on…………..I know you can do it!

If you are too blind and gullible to see what the problem is how on earth can you solve it? Posting umpteen times on here, every day, is not going to crack it. Good luck-I’m off to the golf course!

Petition against Scottish Government GRA guidelines:

link to change.org

AH, Ruby you beat me to it!

“City University London” ??? lolol.

HOWEVER the FACT is you will find that the move by HMRC to capture small and single person businesses under IR35 rules is why you are short of 30,000 ex-self employed HGV drivers.
No drivers, food doesn’t get distributed.

@chas

Aye the New SNP propaganda office isn’t very good at playing possum sometimes.

I expect a great many of those who claim to oppose Scotland being lumbered with a lying criminal as a First Minister who has destroyed our legal and justice systems will miraculously forgive all her crimes and swing in behind her when she makes a half hearted attempt at a referendum as a final throw of the dice to try and save her own skin. Indeed, the GERS dumpster fire has already led to a few of them showing their true colours as they desperately try to blame others for the utter disaster that is sturgeons handling of the economy.

Sturgeon herself said years ago that GERS deniers were conspiracy cranks so it’s quite telling that the Nicola Sturgeon fan club is now trying to defend Nicola Sturgeon by denying GERS. Seems the New SNP’s own figures are only to be accepted when the picture they paint suits the narrative. Those of us with a business background know that they tell the truth, the economy is in the shitter (to put it mildly) because we have been lumbered by a bunch of incompetents due to the SNP turning into the New SNP Nicola Sturgeon personality cult. One idiot after another has been made finance minister and none of them could (in the words of the great Margot MacDonald) “count past 10 without taking their shoes and socks off”. Every single thing they touch turns to shit and it is pretty clear to me and many others that countless millions have either disappeared or been siphoned off into personal bank accounts of friends of the New SNP.

Frankly anyone daft enough to sign up to the New SNP’s vision of an independent Scotland is asking for Scotland to become a corrupt banana republic run by imbeciles who’s only concern is enriching themselves and holding onto power. No doubt this will enrage the Nicola Surgeon fan club, fact it I’m just saying the same as Alex Salmond, Jim Sillars, Robin McAlpine and anyone else with half a brain. There is no way I want Scotland to become a bankrupt open prison which is what it would be if the New SNP got its way.

Oh and as a final point, I see the New SNP have now done a deal with the Greens. Oh my! What a time to be alive! I remember warning people on here that if they voted New SNP this was going to happen and being attacked for it. Well folks you got what you wanted. A coalition of chaos between a bunch of lying criminals on the one hand and sexual deviants and freaks on the other. What an effing disaster.

ALBA is an SNP free zone

I agree with you Willie re Afghani immigration. Indeed I would go further and say all Muslim immigration into Scotland is problematic. Quite simply it is an alien culture, anti western and not to be trusted.

Breeks @ 1.48pm

Another great post Old Boy. Trouble isn’t the dead parrot SNP, it’s the live parrots still supporting such a failed party.

Approximately 50% of the Scottish electorate have still to wake-up to what London is doing to them. Add the considerable percentage of the other 50% who still believe in Sturgeon and her clique and we have still got a very-long fight on our hands before we get Independence.

Latest report from the BBC re the Greens and SNP deal:

The deal will take the Greens into government for the first time anywhere in the UK.

The agreement will see two Green MSPs appointed as junior ministers in Ms Sturgeon’s government.

So that’s it then folks – no referendum before 2026.

link to m.youtube.com
Green Agenda is unworkable. Only crazy idealogues believe in it.

Breeks.

On the purge of the SNP’s NEC of no woke, but elected members.

I just watched Sturgeon on Sky news there, where she said, their “Agreement” with the Greens would now go to the SNP’s NEC for scrutiny and ratification, could this be why the purge of non woke/elected members of the NEC has, or is about to occur to prevent them scrutinising it.

link to hugotalks.com
Young Irish footballer dies of brain bleed three days after his second “vaccine”

Afghanistan is a distraction. The American election vote audits are now in the Senate.

‘Afghanistan is a distraction. The American election vote audits are now in the Senate.’

I couldn’t disagree more

link to archive.is

This is a few years old so things might have changed.

“Now the Prison Service has issued an amendment to the 2013 regulations, saying that books are to be excluded from the ban on sending items into jails.

A prisoner’s friends or relatives can now order books from Blackwell’s, Foyles, Waterstones or WH Smith, who will send the books directly to prisons.

These retailers had to meet “set criteria” to be approved, the National Offender Management Service said. Friends and relatives will only be allowed to send books or hand them in themselves in “exceptional circumstances”.