Wings Over Scotland

Makes the blood boil but until the many unaware become aware we will continue to be robbed.

This of course will not be covered by the Regime’s media.

Scotland keeping the UK afloat.

Wake up folks please wake up.

Independence soon hopefully.

Is Scotland mentioned even once ?
Very British colonial.

Many countries mentioned in that article but Scotland – nah. Funny that , not. 🙁

I sometimes feel I am living in between two parallel universes. I keep getting told by media that everything we have in resources is useless, and yet they quote the same figures to Unionists as proof of worth.

Which is it I wonder?

I think I know actually.

And that is why the Westminster establishment will fight tooth an nail to prevent Scots Independence. They can’t afford not to.

If Scotland gained full fiscal autonomy and full control over it’s territorial resources the rUK economy will tank, with or without Brexit.

A hard Brexit is the excuse needed to declare a state of emergency and suspend the devolved parliaments. The ensuing civil unrest would just be a distraction used to hide the ultra right power grab, that’s been going on since before the Tory/LibDem coalition in 2010.

What a shower of idiots we are subsidising the economy of a foreign country, whilst our own people are homeless and starving.
When will we learn that charity begins at home.

Last night on the world service there was a piece on Norway.
Crux of the article was that the Norwegians have just commissioned a new well that’s giving out 5 million barrels a day and is expected to run for 30 years at that level.
The spin was that isn’t it ironic that Norway is exporting the polluting oil around the world whilst being almost totally powered by hydro electric power.
The little lie inserted was the billions of Kroner in their OIL FUND, as far as i’m aware it’s over a TRILLION and the annual return from the investment is greater than some countries GDP.
No mention of Scottish oil or the new West of SHetland oil and gas fields, still a well kept secret.
Glad westmonster deals with all that polluting oil for us.

Scotland has had a funny feeling these past 45 years, but no one in the Westminster Government or in the BritNat media has been able to identify it.

It’s the feeling of being robbed.

All that oil money – and yet we have hundreds of thousands of people homeless, children starving & welfare users being killed so as not to have to give them money, desperate people pushed to commit suicide on an unprecedented scale… All that oil money – and the country is soooo poor! It’s really hard to get yer head around that. And THAT is one of the reasons I will fight for independence.

Oh but we are too wee,

Oh but we are too poor,

and too stupid,

I am beginning to think we must be to continue to allow this theft especially when they lie continuously about WM subsidising Scotland. Typical tories, say it often enough and enough will believe it. I still know people who believe everything the BBC says.

They’re a bit like Trump – they ARE the fake news.

Tell me again that IndyRef14 was a perfectly valid referendum with no jiggery-pokery by Westminster.

But there is the very strange situation where people keep believing them.

I get the Tories, the LibDems are irrelevant, but it is Labour in Scotland being total c.nts that seems so strange. They have left not a singe issue on which to have the slightest respect for them.

rosy

re: Frogesque@3.30

Absolutely, you are correct, but, people do not know that Scotland has seen virtually no benefit from her oil. I have spoken to family and friends in England, who say, ‘aye, but the oil’s all gone, so what you’s gonna do for money?’ :-/

Where on earth do they think the £billions, probably trillions of £’s has gone, now that really is stupid. Scotland should have a massive oil fund, everyone should be incredibly wealthy in Scotland, didn’t Norway effectively give their people a £million each or something?

No, Scotland has been stolen from, it’s absolutely criminal, kept poor, young people having to leave to get decent paid jobs, it’s bloody heart breaking.

Yes it’s a bonus, IF we saw any significant benefit, it could have been invested in renewables, for a start.

I see the SNP are ‘asking’ the Britnat English government to ‘devolve Scotland’s oil and gas’. Pigs will fly first, the Britnats will be roaring with laughter at that! ha ha ha!

People need to know that Scotland’s oil has benefitted only the very wealthy in England. You want to watch the imagearchive at NLS, look up search and browse,’industry’, some films about oil, men working in Aberdeen when it first came on tap in a big way, they and their families were living in caravans and told to like it or lump it! The US cigar smoking oil men in charge were not bothered why would they be.

Precious, precious union eh? Sounds more like Gollum every time she says it.

Amazing. An article about North Sea oil that doesn’t mention Scotland once.

Only in the Torygraph.

Average price of Scottish Brent crude over last 40 years is $54 per barrel,

average price of Scottish Brent crude over last 20 years is $65 per barrel,

average price of Scottish Brent crude this year is $70.99 per barrel,

even using the low $54 pb means over $1,000,000,000,000 still recoverable,

the de facto English Gov have given the last $2,000,000,000,000 away to subsidise the London elite and the chavs of South East England,

let us scrap the Treaty of Union and keep the $1 trillion for the help and benefit of the poor and vulnerable of Scotland.

Rock (2nd January 2015 – “The Ne’erday Game”):

“Unfortunately, we have among us the most stupid people on the planet. Given the chance of 300 years, those who should have known better voted No.

Now just 3 months later, or just a minute after voting No if a tale on another thread is to be believed, they claim they would now vote Yes.

Throughout history and throughout the world, including here, people have died for independence. And we voted peacefully to reject it.”

Amen to that, Scot.

And this is not including the new fields which are not being exploited because they are in the path of the Trident submarines. Oil is a very big deal and as one poster already pointed out it is reason enough for the RUK to fight tooth and nail to avoid Scottish independence, including every dirty trick imaginable.

I can’t begin to tell you how sick and tired I am of hearing people on the streets / in their homes saying that we have no oil left now. All gone. Done! People like Critchlow should be facing being jailed, imo.

We can’t let this go on any longer FGS. C’mon Stu let’s get another ‘coloured’ book out, ASAP, to EVERY home in the country (tell us how much it would cost). One page relating to our oil would suffice by highlighting the McCrone Report, Norway’s 1 trillion dollar oil fund and THAT particular article.

This is our last chance to acquire our Independence, for one reason or another, imo. Let’s get a crowdfunder up and running. Let it run until we’ve collected the required amount even if we’re talking about £millions. We CAN do it.

Once again I’m going to be boring in pointing out that there is a new trend to ascribe every new oil/gas discovery, which incidentally are only the very small tip of a very large iceberg are NOT in the NORTH SEA but in the ATLANTIC in what is known in the oil business as the ‘ATLANTIC MARGIN’. Now unless geographical divisions have changed without us here in Shetland being told Shetland has ever since I studied Geography been the dividing line between the North Sea and the Atlantic.

However it suits English, London Centric, Metro-land Brit Nationalists establishment journalists for it means that they can keep-up their lies and think we are all believing them. A quick glance at a map you will see that at least two thirds of Scotland’s Economic Zone (EZ) lies in the Atlantic, West of Shetland. When oil was first discovered it was McCrone’s report that was buried to keep Scotland in the dark, now they can’t deny its existence so they are desperately trying to muddy the waters with their lies and false information.

I will also remind all Wingers that back in 2013/14 Bill ‘Big Mac’ McLaughlin provided a brilliant expose of what were the true potential oil/gas assets of Scotland in Scotland’s EZ.

Don’t be taken in again and if in any doubt cast your eyes across the N.Sea to Norway and think, if Scotland had been Independent that could be us as well, think where our NHS would be, where our schools would be, think no austerity, think poverty eliminated, think no Universal Credit, think no food banks and I could go on.

So let’s not let it happen again.

How do we get our hands on a copy of Bill McLaughlin’s ‘expose’, Auld Rock?

@Petra

From Bella’s article in 2014

link to archive.is

Hey ho, here we go, shafting Scotland’s wot we know…old English ditty.
Fetch my ……….. write in favourite ‘weapon’ of choice.

@ defo: 4.55

Unfocused, unchanelled anger is an enemy.

Don’t get mad, get even!

When will enough people realise that the UK is and has been for a very long time an economic basket case and that that won’t change any time soon.

‘The 3.9 billion dollar loan

As pressure on the pound continued, the government approached the IMF for a loan of $3.9 billion in September 1976. This was the largest amount ever requested of the Fund, which needed to seek additional funds from the US and Germany’.

link to nationalarchives.gov.uk

As for the 2016 delusion “take back control” –

‘The IMF negotiators demanded heavy cuts in public expenditure and the budget deficit as a precondition for the loan. Healey’s proposals for a cut of around 20 per cent in the budget deficit were hotly debated in Cabinet, particularly by Anthony Crosland and Michael Foot. Eventually they acceded, as it seemed likely that the refusal of the loan would be followed by a disastrous run on the pound. Healey announced the forthcoming reductions in public expenditure to the House of Commons on 15 December 1976’.

Hope the Rev’s compiling a ‘Before’ and ‘After’ section in his next Wee Blue Book!!!

Copy of article in text. Might be helpful if you want to quote sections.

‘North Sea oil can still be the bargaining chip we need
Article rank 9 Nov 2018
ANDY CRITCHLOW
Andy Critchlow is head of energy news for EMEA at S&P Global Platts

‘There could be up to 20bn barrels of oil equivalent discoveries and undeveloped resources still out there’

Oil is Britain’s thin red line against a hard Brexit. The North Sea provided an economic buffer during the “winter of discontent” of 1978 and the “Black Monday” stock market crash, which almost destroyed the City a decade later. It may have to serve the same defensive purpose again if Theresa May, the Prime Minister, bungles a deal to leave Europe, or even worse, fails to reach an agreement.
Often derided as an insignificant and declining industry by some economists, oil remains one of the country’s most reliable money spinners and sources of hard foreign currency export revenues. Think of what the UK would be like without the vast wealth generated by the equivalent of 44bn barrels of oil pumped from British territory over the last 40 years. The North Sea also makes Britain entirely unique within the European Union, which is otherwise mostly barren of “black gold”.
Without the near 1.7m barrels per day of oil equivalent – a measure including gas and other liquids – pumped from the UK continental shelf, the 27 nation bloc is entirely dependent on producers outside of its control such as Russia and Saudi Arabia. Of course, Norway, which sits outside the EU but still enjoys trade access, remains a trusted oil and gas ally for Brussels. Nevertheless, Britain’s exit will to a certain extent weaken the European project in terms of the world’s most valuable traded energy commodity.
Central to the role oil can play in protecting the economy and the pound from the shock of a hard Brexit is the Forties crude blend and the closely linked Dated Brent price benchmark, perhaps Britain’s most instantly recognisable and globally significant brand quoted in financial centres around the world.
Dated Brent is used to price around two thirds of the world’s supply of 100m barrels every day. Assuming a price of $70 per barrel, that’s over $4.5bn of transactions daily. The benchmark, assessed by S&P Global Platts in London, dates back to the heyday of North Sea production in the Eighties when the once prolific Brent oilfield was among the world’s most productive reservoirs outside of the Opec club of predominantly Middle Eastern petrodollar states.
Although the last of the Brent platforms, floating 115 miles off the coast of Shetland, is being shut down, the so called “Brent complex” and price benchmark continue to thrive and evolve along with the demands of the global oil industry. As Brent itself has physically dwindled, new blends like Norway’s Troll have been added to the cocktail, giving traders in Europe and around the world the most reliable tool to gauge the value of different crudes.
Outside of the North Sea basin, different crude blends that include streams from the US, West Africa and even Kazakhstan could be added to the mix in the future, but irrespective of their origin, Dated Brent continues to put Britain at the heart of a $1.7 trillion industry surrounding oil and gas. Importantly for Britain’s future outside the EU, it is a corner of commerce increasingly tilting towards meeting rapidly growing demand in Asia and especially China, the world’s biggest importer of crude.
For example, the Hound Point terminal on the Firth of Forth exported almost 11m barrels of Forties crude in October, the vast majority of it heading to South Korea and China. If Britain is to succeed outside the EU and strike lucrative trade deals with Asia’s biggest economies, North Sea oil could be a useful bargaining chip our European neighbours don’t have at their disposal.
Neither is the North Sea’s story as a major oil-producing region over. The latest figures released by the Oil and Gas Authority (OGA) yesterday identified almost 5.5bn barrels of oil equivalent still to be produced, enough to sustain output at current rates in UK waters for the next 20 years. However, the total scale of oil and gas around Britain’s shores could be far greater, with the OGA estimating there are up to 20bn barrels of oil equivalent discoveries and undeveloped resources still out there.
Of course, tapping these resources in the North Sea is the challenge. Post Brexit it is essential for whoever sits in power in Downing Street to maintain the competitive tax environment vital to encouraging oil and gas operators to continue exploring for resources and more importantly putting new finds into production. The crash in oil prices, which began at the end of 2014, triggered a severe cutback in investment across the North Sea. Globally, spending in upstream oil and gas is expected to drop to around $500bn (£380bn) this year, from a peak around $950bn four years ago. This has made it harder for the UK to compete for investment from the international oil industry.

These pressures will only grow after Brexit, but North Sea oil should still give Britain the cash generating power to defend its economy and the leverage to build new trading relationships overseas.’

Artyhetty @3.53pm

“They need their heads examined” indeed and if that happened all they would find would be a Union flag stuffed where a brain should be.

No they sure if anyone has pointed out the obvious regarding using Scotland’s oil (and fishing) as Brexit bargaining chips.

The EU will be well aware that Scotland may become independent in the near future and so WM can’t offer these with any long term confidence nor authority!

Was going to post this when I saw it – WOW – the first two paragraphs
– BLOW THE FUCKING DOORS OFF

But the boss got on it first, then the hive mind took over – shit, its hard to keep up these days never mind get ahead of the curve.

Auld Rock makes great point – which he has made before, I remember – about the “atlantic margin”. I even submitted an academic paper on the subject to the REV years and years ago.

The terror of all this is that it DESTROYS any of the economic FUD the enemy put up – like asking a lottery winner “how will you pay the mortgage”.

The terror of the inglish is even deeper tho – oil is “real wealth” which acts as the capstone to a whole edifice of “claims on wealth” which the city likes to trade in. The pound and all that sits on it is a house of cards. The pound is effectively an oil-backed currency, gaining similar strength to the dollar, despite being nothing like as large or strong.

The tragedy of the oil was that its discovery allowed the tories to “financialise” the economy in the 80s – a total re-engineering of the economy to turn the screws down on the coffin of the working class – send all the good jobs east. No work, no working class. Class war and looting. They must have thought themselves clever at the time, but now – it could bite them in the arse. This is also the reason why the english are planning to FRACK THEMSELVES SENSELESS, with nothing being allowed to impede them.

It’s nice to be discussing real issues again.

It’s times like just now, having read the Telegraph piece, that I simply fail to understand why we are not miles ahead in the Indy argument.

Are Scots never going to see what Westminster has been doing to them all these years? Or am I living in some parallel universe?

Dissolve this bloody union – NOW!

Rock – crawl back under the rock, pretty please!!

OT/ But relevant, just watched (NATION ) with Lesley Riddoch and Phantom Films , this film accompanied with this article is dynamite ,
The film explains that even without our vast oil resources the riches that can be accrued through proper investment and usage from renewable energy would outstrip oil revenues .

But once again the UK establishment has scuppered the SG’s ability to utilise this vast resource by closing down investment , instead , it is stated in one of Nana’s articles that they are about to finance this same research and development of this industry in another country ( foreign ).

There is only one way to get this information to the people to stand ANY chance of independence , and to expose to people the corruption and lies which we are inundated with daily and that is through the broadcast media . I know , how can it be done ?????

Reading a history of British India right now (Inglorious Empire) and there are some intriguing parallels. The scale of exploitation was several orders of magnitude greater in India and Scots were in the thick of doing it, but the combination of looting plus a patronising ‘you couldn’t manage your resources on your own’ attitude seems awfully familiar.

What I don’t get is the number of people in Scotland who actively *want* to hear how incapable Scotland is and who revel in our servitude. We can do so much better, why wouldn’t they want that?

Rockshit @6.13pm

Hey Rockshit I knew it was 2014 -diddy – it was a joke just like you and your joke forecasts – apprentice Nostradamus.

Sad to think of the lies the labour –Scottish branch will so willing to denigrate those of us who knew the oil’s worth.

What group of people would say that having oil as a resource -with all our other resources is a bad thing.

Only the tories. labour , lib dems and of course the Greens see this as a curse.

Campaign for a oil fund to protect us – 100%

Rock I predict the next referendum for Scottish Independence will be 2019.

I will say without fear or favour I will be 100% right or 100% wrong.

I will get on with life either way.

They despise and belittle us, they mock and patronise us and often in a Scottish accent. I am all for diversity of opinion, but I am growing tired of the sound of ‘Scots’ putting us down. I hope the Scottish cabinet have seen this as it makes for some very sobering and infuriating reading.

Well they have as much oil as *we do* and only 4million people instead of 60 million so…. and then David Cameron was cut off as he was talking to Andrew Marr about Norway

Thatcher used the North Sea oil revenues to de-industrialise Britain & was up to her neck in the illegal arms trade. The run-down “Astra Fireworks!” was snapped-up as it had an explosives license & was transformed into a major arms manufacturer. Gerald James opened up this this can of worms in the excellent, “In the Public Interest!”

UK Government hit-man Stephan Kock also features, the assassination of Gerald Bull, builder of Sadam’s Super Gun. A large cast of rogues making fortunes supplying arms to both sides in the Iran/Iraq War, including Mark Thatcher. Parliament was by-passed & a cabal of City Spivs & MI5/MI6 ran Britain from Whitehall’s Cabinet Office.

Where was Kock when Willie MacRae was murdered?

Just like other colonies, Scotland serves only to provide wealth and riches FREE OF CHARGE for England. In return, just as used to be the case with other English colonies, we Scots have the joy of being able to say we are ‘British’.

Ah, but the unionists and their Labour acolytes will say, you know when we were in India, we built many pieces of infrastructure, including the railways. But here’s the problem, the railways were NOT built as a generous ‘gift’ to the people of occupied India, their sole purpose was to help ship India’s riches (diamonds etc) out of the country to England (and I do mean ENGLAND).

Honestly, with each passing day, and with each renewed arrogant insult from the English government, my desire for independence grows. As I said earlier, no other country would tolerate this for one second. In the same circumstances in other countries they would not be talking of ‘playing by the rules’ or waiting to see’ how things turn out. No, in ANY other country, they would have ditched this leech of a union the day after the vote to remove Scotland forcibly and against its wishes from the EU was taken. Now to add insult, they are using Scotland’s oil reserves as a bargaining chip – the oil reserves they told Scots just four years ago were worthless.

Westminster is literally taking the p*ss. The time for playing by the rules or observing some vague notion of a ‘uk’ so-called unwritten (i.e ‘made up’) ‘constitution’ are long, long done. We need action by the Scottish Government and we need it soon. Too much procrastination, too much doffing our collective caps to what London says. These are NOT normal times, this is NOT democracy. England is hell bent on self destruction, and we need out. The time for talk is over.

Independence. Get on with it, FFS. Please, get on with it. UDI/ referendum, whatever, the normal rules no longer apply, since London literally tore up the UK constitution, many years ago.

funniest crap I read about brexit – some tory thunderer was giving it

– treeza will get a GOOD DEAL from the Euros, for if they play hard-ball – she will CUT THEM OFF FROM THE CITY and its markets …
– regulars will know the general love of Blazing Saddles references on WINGS

– this one falls into the category when Cleavon Little points the gun at his own head and says

“no one move or the n1gger gets it”

… Paris and Frankfurt licking their lips about all the new business they will do …

Some of them really think that – LONDON is an ENGINE of WEALTH CREATION – to which all I can say is – don’t get high on your own supply.

But a lie told often enough becomes the truth – aah – remembrance sunday …

-wasn’t it the empires policy to support the second strongest -against the strongest euro power to prevent european unification
-didn’t german industry eclipse britain by about 1900
-didn’t the empire set out to destroy germany
-wasn’t germany set-up, in fact
-and weren’t WW1 and WW2 just one thing really, with a long half-time
-then you read about the lusitania, the balfour declaration and you are off down the rabbit hole
– instead let’s just get all sentimental about this “incomprehensible thing which happened for no reason, archduke ferdinand” or the old textbook O grade history answer – ww1 arose due to the rise of nationalism …
– and WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS

Mmm:

“A division of S&P Global, S&P Global Platts is headquartered in London and employs over 1,200 people in more than 19 offices worldwide located in global business and energy centers on five continents.”

link to spglobal.com

“From an original focus on petroleum, we now cover oil, natural gas, LNG, electric power, coal, shipping, petrochemicals, metals, and agriculture.”

Seems like they might have to move their HQ to Glasgow after Indy. Or at least set up a new one.

Shall we say 500 high-paying jobs, plus incidental benefits to the economy?

Shoukd read 2638 Ad & 2640 Ad – teach me to proof read!

The Sunday National 11/11/2018 has one of today’s featured stories as a front page sub-head, as page 16 article, page 17 article, and page 7 supplement editorial.

SNP move to stop oil cash being wasted again.

First thought. How? Answer there is none. Over and over we read what a bad thing it is that Scotland is not benefitting suficiently, that the resource value may be wasted again.

Time has come to start writing and discussing how. How is this to be done …

Time to start creating structures and procedures to handle the oil/gas and other industries for the benefit of our population rather than for Westminster politicians.

I was discussing with my daughter earlier things that trouble me about today’s parades and even festivals. After listening to my thought she said write them down.
I have a couple of questions that trouble me.
My great grandfather, grandfather and father fought in the first and second world wars.
The family are from Lochgelly in Fife.
Prior to the wars all efforts were being made for global naval superiority so is was “Jock produce coal, Jock produce steel, Jock produce warships.”
When war broke out all of the above were in even more demand.
The men folk were seduced by ” your county needs you ” posters to fight for King and Empire. Young men who were almost children, men with wife’s and children and of course the moral atrocity of conscription. Not forgetting the brave woman also served.
So they fought and many died, many injured physically an mentally.
The lucky returned hero’s and started to build a better life’s.
Question 1 were was their war dividend.
Within the span of the return of my father from WW2 and him reaching retirement age a different poster could have been posted ” your country doesn’t need you”. “Jock we don’t need your coal, we don’t need your steel, we don’t need your warships ” as every one of the dozens of coal mines in Fife employing thousands of men and women were forced to close. Men and woman thrown out of work and onto merger poverty benefits, families devastated, communities destroyed. Same with steel and ship building.
The war didn’t break them but successive Westminster governments did. More probably died as the results of their impoverishment, their worthlessness, their casting aside than in war.

In watch the armistice parades and balk at the ceremonial hierarchy .
Queen and Royal family, Bishops, Prime Ministers, Cabinet Ministers and assorted beggers to the feast.
Question 2 how many Kings, Queen, Bishops, Prime Ministers, Cabinet Ministers died in WW1 and WW2.
I think to show real respect to those service men and woman who are still alive – let them lead the parade, they should lay the first reefs, it should be centred on them and their fallen comrades and let the others follow. Let the Queen, Bishops,Prime Ministers, Cabinet Ministers all march behind the hero’s. After all who is this all about. That would show thanks and real respect.

I see the TV channel Talking Pictures has swapped its usual logo for a little TV set with a poppy slapped on it. FFS!

Full coverage of all their shit can only be beamed into your living room if you choose to receive it by tuning in.

That’s one of the reasons I choose not too and it saves me the cost of a license fee. Switch off and don’t pay for their propaganda, watch something else instead like Outlaw King and you won’t feel so bad.

Can someone provide a link to George Kerevan article in The National just after the UK Budget where he wrote that if Oil was taxed at 2010 levels it would bring in £6BN a year rather than the pittance attributed by GERS?

@Sinky

I guess this is the article.

If, say, an independent Holyrood government demanded £10 for every barrel – as was the case in 2010, when oil prices were comparable with today – then the Scottish exchequer would earn circa £6bn in tax revenue. That’s enough to halve the GERS notional deficit at a stroke.

link to archive.fo

Fight fire with fire!

This post/article is absolute dynamite.

When people worry about or question how Scotland will cope after independence, this guy’s admission, published in the ‘esteemed’ Establishment Tory Telegraph of how much the UK depends on Scotland, is a killer.

Rev Stu is giving us the fire power, let’s use it!

Confused@ 7.12pm

Andrew Marr had some guy on from Reuters this morning reviewing the papers and he managed to say on two separate occasions WW1 was all down to the evils of …… wait for it……, nationalism. Nothing to with imperialism of course. Just people who would not stay in their box. Tut Tut.

Who would have known it the SNP started the First World War.

Had to switch off after he said it the second time.

Andrew Marr – anglo scot Britnat – as Scottish as Morris dancing.

Thanks Nana but that is an old article. The one I am looking for was published a day or so after this year’s UK Budget.

Also worth reading Andrew Wilson in today’s Sunday National on oil revenues pointing out that UK has got £500 billion in revenues from North Sea Oil.

When Scotland dissolves the Union, and I don’t necessarily believe that will be due to a referendum, the International courts are going to be involved. As I said in the previous thread, I would really like to hear Westminster explain GERS.

@Frank G 7.46: well said. Big countries’ nationalism/imperialism good, others’ bad.

Scotland’s “nationalism” is a simply defensive desire to exist at all and to be left alone to follow its own path.

Boris/caltonjock made the good point recently in his blog that while we were enjoined to support “plucky little Belgium” in WW1, it was carrying out atrocities in its colony in the Congo, like all exploiting empires.

As for Macron/Blair and his havers, my brother’s father-in-law was French. He joined the army to get a regular wage and was posted to Syria in the 30s. He loved its people, its complex culture and its landscapes but saw close up, like Orwell, the evils of colonialism, so much so he became a communist and later joined the maquis against Vichy France.

Someone should remind Macron of the number of Algerian corpses which floated down the Seine at the height of the anti-Algerian crisis in the early 60s, the reality of brutal imperial nationalism.

Countries around the world go to war over oil.
Englands Westminster will do anything to keep control of Scotland and I do mean anything.
Many many of the English people living here in Scotland got their jobs through government departments and agencies or businesses that are against Scottish independence and don’t believe for a minute that there is no big plan to ensure that as many English people are assisted in job hunting in Scotlands to maintain a high proportion of support for colonialism at the ballot box because if you do your head is in the sand.Just take a look at how Englands Westminster treated all the other countries it previously held captive under the colonial umbrella they treated them like dirt under their shoes just as they are doing to Scotland right now, they know Scottish oil props up Englands economy but are prepared to take Scotland out of the EU against our will and continually tell lies about other aspects of life in Scotland doing us down at every opportunity.
English people should not have a vote on Scottish independence why would you allow English people a vote when all you get are lies and betrayal.
If English people had not been allowed to vote in the last Scottish independence referendum Scotland would now be independent.
Can you imagine England allowing Scottish people a vote on English independence if there were twelve times as many Scottish people as English ? no didn’t think so.
It’s time to take back control
Now is not the time for English people to decide Scotlands future those times have passed.

I have said this before.

If the EU waits until we have been pulled out, I for one will not vote to re-join, bang goes there fishing and oil that we don’t have.

Please watch if you haven’t seen them before.

‘The Truth About Scottish Independence: The McCrone Report Scandal.’

link to youtube.com

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‘The Stolen Seas.’

link to youtube.com

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‘Jim Rogers on Brexit: If Scotland takes its oil with it…’

link to youtube.com

Terence Callachan So what are your franchise criteria for any indyref 2 then? Only those born in Scotland and living in Scotland can vote ie no immigrants to Scotland whether English or otherwise and no Scots living in England?

Terence Callahan@8.55pm

My advice to you is not to get involved with the resident Britnat fanatical Tory. He doesnt know his arse from his elbow and is just a bloody irritant. If you have to reply just tell him to f….. off. He deserves no respect. He is not here to learn. He has a closed mind.

He is a perfect example of why we want independence.

Can Scotgov use the powers in the Town and Country planning act (1997) to frustrate the landing of oi?

Can Glasgow council revoke and alter the planning permission for Pacific Quay in order to redesignate it for social or mixed use housing?

Thepnr @ 10.31 pm

Control of people – you mean by microchipping employees perhaps? See this from Guardian online this evening

link to archive.is

@Legerwood

Nothing surprises me anymore.

The barcode tattoo in my neck is very attractive. I asked for the saltire version.

@Jack Collatin (10.53) –

Excellent medley of reminders there.

Cheers aplenty!

🙂

P.S. I haven’t the faintest idea where he is now, but someone must know! He’s maybe got a new job making UJ bagpipe covers?

Robin Barclay made a perfect point.

Stuart Campbell, PLEASE keep up your forensic analysis.

First thing every morning I check out Wings over Scotland and BBC Scotland for my news. I read wings for accurate reporting and BBC Scotland for a bit of fiction and to see what the bu66ers are up to.

I am FURIOUS WITH THE SNP and a certain Holyrood minister who treated a charity I support with contempt. One of my friends founded that charity and IN SPITE OF THE SNP GOVERNMENT, BEHAVING DREADFULLY, THE CHARITY HAS SURVIVED.

That disgraceful episode almost sent me from a YES voter to a NO voter.

BUT this WoS website keeps me sane.

I know beyond all reasonable doubt that Scotland would be far better governing itself. To be free of the shackles of Westminster. You’re on-topic example of how Westminster is squandering Scotland oil instead of us following the Nordic example of investing it for the future of our children is just one instance where Westminster has got it terribly wrong.

So Stuart please keep this website as an exemplar of top class journalism and how duplicitous the Westminster politicians. It proves with facts how we have a better future with Holyrood politicians elected by ourselves, rather than a cripple-killing, rape clause promoting, expense fiddling, Brexit 5hitting Tories who we don’t elect governmening us like a Dickensian colony of the Rees-Mogg Raj Empire.

Hopefully once Scotland gets its independence holy rude and particularly the SNP will sort themselves out with politicians of a decent calibre across the board and not the circuis of too many idiots we have in many political parties at Edinburgh just now.

Robin Barclay’s point is, actually incredibly important and well worth acting upon.

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Robin Barclay says:
11 November, 2018 at 4:00 pm

Briandoonthetoon@10.39pm

Indyref2 anon. Works for me.

What does that say about the Edinburgh and Aberdeen financial services sector then? Plus London also has a thriving creative arts and IT and tech and media and legal sector too, it is not just finance.

England also has some of that North Sea Oil too, it is not all Scottish and there are plenty of wind farms in England too and wave energy in Cornwall

Thepnr @ 22:31:

I’m pretty sure just about everybody in Scotland and the UK is sick to the death of Brexshit now. Hurray up and get it finished seems to be what I’m hearing.

Aye, and if we don’t do something about it beforehand, come 30.March this will rise to a loud chorus of “FGS, give us a break, no more, it’s a shame and all that but it’s done now, we’re done now, so pipe down about it”.

All orchestrated by Corporal Davidson, echoed by Corbyn’s little meee-tooo BritNat followers, and blasted out by the media like there’s no tomorrow. (Which there might as well be.) Like 2017 but louder.

And we who desperately want to get out of this prison will feel just the same as on 19.Sept.2014. Another beautiful opportunity lost.

Unless we shake ourselves out of passive mode sometime soon and do something about it. Offer a clear way forward out of this utter failure of UK stewardship.

Word-of-mouth is great, but without a full-on campaign, our story won’t get through the heavy media blockade and our truths won’t reach those who most need to hear it.

In the face of powerful evidence that Scotland could not only survive but with the bonus of oil and gas it would match Norway in riches do we find a certain trolling fud sounding like the story child saying if you do not agree with me I’ll squeem and squeem.

@Robert J. Sutherland

Shake yourself out of it then and get on with persuading people.

We’re getting there.

Professor Mark McNaught’s draft Constitution for the Scottish State.

link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com

Mike Cassidy @ 12.53
Aren’t ye feeling all warm and fuzzy about dissolving the Union ?
Now that ye know all about the diversity of London’s economy… they even have “allegedly “ some North Sea Oil too… yay…
I hope it’s enough to keep the lights on for 60 odd million especially in the Art Galleries of London!

We need have nay concerns for Westminster’s ability tae mange after we leave…. and ,and,and they can even put all the money saved from supporting Scotland into health care ?
They can put the promise to do so on the side of a bus, as that seems to be where their voters get their information…
This is all going to work out so well…. I bet all of Westminster will give thanks every day that they have London…

o/t interesting article lifted from Pete Wishart’s twitter feed,

link to thescottishfarmer.co.uk,

Gove managing to enrage 50 plus Scottish farmers and businesspeople. “Sidekick” George Eustace appeared instead of Gove who was too busy to see them. He talked to them for 20 mins giving his views which “basically they wanted us to gang up on the SNP ans demand they fell in with the English cuts to subsidy and the Gove plan to pay something for ill defined “social goods”.

It sounds as if it deteriorated from there, oh to be there to listen to that!

@ Ghillie at 3:22am …. “Andy Chritchlow.”

Arrogance Ghillie? Who knows maybe he’s a Yes supporter now, lol?

‘No-deal Brexit looms as Tory deadlock with Brussels continues.’

link to thenational.scot

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Nurse vacancies in Scotland only a fifth per capita of those in ‘Dear Old Blighty’ blighted by Toryism

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

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‘Glasgow Gallery and Museum beats Edinburgh and London.’

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

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‘Scottish Independence Convention fund hits halfway mark.’

…..“Preparing really good materials and arguments to help to reach that group of voters is among the first things we hope to do.” ..

link to thenational.scot

Links

Bot sure if this has been posted
link to alynsmith.eu

link to newsnet.scot

Union Jack bagpipes at the armistice centenary is the ultimate in UK racist insults.
link to facebook.com

Remember to check all Prof John’s articles
link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

Change tack or face defeat, Brexit critics tell May
link to archive.is

Today, @carolecadwalla reports whistleblower @shahmiruk has been completely vindicated by the so-called ‘Taxpayers Alliance’ (founded by same guy who ran Vote Leave) admitting all liability after they sacked and smeared him for revealing illegal activity by Leave campaigns…
link to twitter.com

link to irishtimes.com

link to independent.co.uk

link to bloomberg.com
Do not assume the EU will give the UK time to rerun Brexit vote
link to archive.is

Brexit: walking the plank
link to eureferendum.com

link to irishtimes.com

From “For the Fallen”
Poem by Robert Laurence Binyon (1869-1943)

“They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.”

The 100th anniversary of Armistice Day is now over.
The fallen were remembered – but only by the many, not by the few. Not by Britain’s wealthy neo-liberal elite and its political arm, the Tory Party. They were, in contrast, forgetting.

The fallen died for our freedom, but the British Establishment have abused that freedom by waging a new war, an economic war, which was declared by Thatcher, and is currently continued by May through Austerity, a war against the families of the fallen.

Standing surrounded by the genuine, at Cenotaphs and at Remembrance Church services, and others, around the UK, the Elite’s are putting on a show, pretending to remember, even as they continue to take no prisoners in their rush to plunder, amid the onslaught of cuts against the descendants of the Fallen.
Laying their wreaths down and bowing their heads, but impatient to get back to the military-like neo-liberal campaign to extract the taxpayer’s cash and place it securely off-shore in a tax-haven.

No remembering by them, and no concern either for the 4.5 million children and their families living in poverty in the UK in 2018. They are the casualties of the war being waged by the Elite’s, and carried out by the Tory government.

“We can completely fool enough of the electorate all of the time, and so we concentrate on them, feeding them constantly with our daily propaganda, brainwashing them, in effect, in preparation for the next election or referendum.”, said a source close to the government .

Armistice day is over, but the war continues.

Hail Alba.

Critchlow what a name. Is just another freaking liar. How low can they go? What a bunch of total liars Murdoch and the establishment liars. Killing and maiming millions of people. Murdoch walks away with £30Billion for ruining the world. Instead of being in Church he should be in prison. Along with all the sanctimonious liars.

‘Thou shalt not kill’. They have sanctioned, starved and killed millions of people, worldwide, They should hang theur heads in shame. Have the Royals apologised yet for the carnage that their family caused. All over Europe and worldwide.

They are trying to bring down the world economy. Celebrating their privileged position based on lies. Instead of commemorating the millions that have mained and killed illegally. ”Austerity’ is a sham based on lies. Totally indefensible. Another quite unnecessary attack on society. Another excuse for the wealthier to line their pockets on others people’s misery. The largest unfair wealth gap in the world. Tax evasion reigns.

The Russian revolution 1917 after Victoria’s grandson tried to sanction and starve the people. The ‘divine right to rule’ from God. He was giving nothing away. Choosing to starve the impoverished people.

The Russian saved the West in the 11WW. 26milions died. Now they are sanctioning and trying to starve the Russians. Not much gratitude, from the Westminster total and utter liars and the sychophant lying Press. Tax evading Non Doms. A disgrace. Every word they utter is a lie. Lie after lie, after lie. They are not fit to govern. They betray the voters. Brexit is beyond belief. An absolute shambolic mess. The usual. That will affect Scotland the worst. The NE oil region the most.

The Brexiteers are in full swing trying to ruin the Scottish economy. Scotland voted Remain. They do not give a damn. The EU costs Scotland nothing but brings benefit and investment much more than Westminster does. The EU invests in Scotland, The Westminster liars take from Scotland illegally and secretly. Since 1928 and before. Iraq, Dunblane and Lockerbie kept secret for 100 years. What have they got to hide?