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The trail of breadcrumbs

Posted on July 02, 2020 by

Ladies and gentlemen, meet the new World Speed-Reading Champion:

Almost 1200 words in 15 seconds is mighty impressive going in anyone’s book. (Either that or it’s REALLY slow for a 12-word tweet.) But we wondered if there might be any other reason why Mrs Angus Robertson wouldn’t want people reading that article.

Tom Gordon’s piece from last week’s Herald is in itself a pretty blindingly obvious and innoffensive statement of some uncontested facts – the Holyrood inquiry into the Alex Salmond affair is quite plainly going to be highly uncomfortable for both the Scottish Government and the Scottish civil service, because the investigation has already been found to be so crooked that the government caved before it got to court, having first wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money.

But it did provide the missing jigsaw piece which finally answered a question that’s been bugging us for a long time.

We’d never understood the quite extraordinary over-reaction of the SNP to the events around MSP Mark McDonald. McDonald was reported to the Standards Committee at Holyrood in 2017 for a case which amounted to his mobile phone autocorrecting the word “dingied” to the word “fingered” and him making a very innocuous joke about it.

For that crime – no other allegation of sexual or menacing misconduct was proven against him, and indeed much of the evidence was found to be total fantasy – he was the subject of page after page of absolutely excoriating media coverage over many weeks depicting him as something akin to Jack The Ripper crossed with Josef Fritzl, suspended and ostracised from the SNP while the inquiry took place, and eventually kicked out, suspended from Parliament and banished to a basement office far from the sight other MSPs like some sort of leper.

He’s invariably been referred to ever since to as “shamed MSP Mark McDonald”, was ludicrously and disgracefully castigated by former colleagues as a risk to the safety of staff (presumably those who are triggered to the point of suicide by spelling mistakes), and is widely expected to lose his seat at next year’s election.

We could never figure out why such an absurdly minor “offence” had attracted such brutally draconian sanctions and such a treacherous knifing from his own colleagues, until we read this passage from Tom Gordon’s column and all the dots suddenly turned into a straight line.

The wild extremity of the reaction to McDonald was necessary to ostensibly justify the creation of the new rules, without which no action could have been taken against Alex Salmond. Mark McDonald, whose mobile phone’s spellcheck destroyed his career, was just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time.

A farcical sequence of events then followed – a trainwreck of apparent corruption and collusion heavily shot through with spectacular incompetence, at the end of which it’s already indisputably known that untold millions of pounds have been wasted on a failed fit-up, the integrity of the entire civil service and justice system have been placed under question, and a wholly innocent man has been smeared, tormented and almost bankrupted while his supporters too face vindictive and highly selective prosecution for which nobody will admit responsibility.

Jennifer Robertson, for reasons one can only speculate about, apparently thinks this is an uninteresting story which will have no consequences for anyone. It’s an assessment with which we feel obliged to profoundly disagree.

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  1. schrodingers cat says:

    who in the scottish government will this be uncomfortable for?

  2. Bill Hume. says:

    The plot…er…clarifies???

  3. Sharny Dubs says:

    I personally can not wait until that particular brown smelly stuff hits the Holyrood whirly thing.
    Can I preorder Alex’s book anyone?

  4. Capella says:

    I met Mark McDonalds constituency team at a conference while the furore was ongoing. They were quite baffled by the train of events though obviously unwilling to openly discuss it. They pointed out that he got the highest margin win in Scotland.

  5. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “who in the scottish government will this be uncomfortable for?”

    Are you just pretending to be stupid or is it a natural talent?

  6. Dogbiscuit says:

    There is only one just reward for treachery.

  7. Astonished says:

    Lesley Evans is apparently the Scottish Dominic Cummings.

    The sooner she is gone the better.

    I hope Mr Mark MacDonald sues.

  8. Andrew F says:

    To be fair, I think she meant that she took 15 seconds to read the tweet.

    Which makes her particularly S-L-O-W since it only takes a normal person about 2 seconds.

  9. schrodingers cat says:

    well if it is nicola, is it a breach in procedural protocol or something more sinister? eg a vindictive attack?

  10. liz says:

    Nicola S was incandescent over Mark McD, she wanted him to resign as an MSP.

    Meanwhile Derek McKay as far as I know hasn’t been disciplined yet, what’s the betting he gets forgiven, learned his lesson, apologises profusely etc etc.

    One rule for NSs pals and another for everyone else.

    Just when I think I’m maybe being harsh about her, she proves me wrong

  11. Jason Smoothpiece says:

    We will all know where we stand when we have sight of Mr Salmonds position on all of this.

    I think by now we, sort of, know the story but to get the full story out to the whole movement will clear the air.

    In a strange way I don’t want the truth to be what I think it will be. I know who the bad guys and the good guys and girls are in my mind and I am happy with that. However if there are evil wrongdoers within the party or the wider movement we have to go right after them.

    They must be hounded out every one of them.

  12. Ahundredthidiot says:

    It’s a natural talent

  13. schrodingers cat says:

    liz says:
    Derek McKay

    i dont think we will be seeing him back anywhere anytime soon

  14. Capella says:

    There already was a disciplinary procedure. The revised procedure drawn up by Leslie Evans added former ministers to their remit. That caught Alex Salmond in the net.

    While the new procedure could have been drawn up without the Mark McDonald fuss, it was odd how difficult it was to find out what exactly he had done. He was well liked in the constituency, his colleagues thought highly of him, as far as I could find out.

    Why would complainants not just have gpne to the police?

  15. Robert Graham says:

    I wonder if the alphabet sisters are the only actors in this pantomime ,
    exactly how high or deep the rot goes ?
    I guess everyone involved has been busy disappearing uncomfortable evidence , paper can be destroyed, electronic data however is a different little inconvenient problem ,older mechanical hard drives unless the platter is physically shredded data can be recovered , Solid state presents a different problem but just like the older mechanical drives if it’s on it it’s not beyond recovery ,
    a whole industry exists to support data recovery the experts being the security services , now that’s where investigation hits the proverbial brick wall .in other words if the security services are involved and the information damages the government it’s gone , DISAPPEARED FOR EVER.

  16. schrodingers cat says:


    not actually doing anything wrong doesn’t stop the msm for hounding snp members. ask michelle thompson

  17. Capella says:

    liz 5:01 pm – Nicola S was incandescent over Mark McD, she wanted him to resign as an MSP.

    Do you actually know this or are you speculating?

  18. schrodingers cat says:

    ot breaking

    fbi arrest Ghislaine Maxwell

    i wonder if prince andrew has learnt how to sweat yet?

  19. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “not actually doing anything wrong doesn’t stop the msm for hounding snp members. ask michelle thompson”

    Except she wasn’t an SNP member, of course, because they threw her under the bus the second there was the slightest hint of (entirely fabricated) scandal.

  20. callmedave says:

    I agree with you about disagreeing with Jennifer Robertson.

  21. Bob Mack says:

    Leslie Evans changed the procedure to include former First Ministers. She changed the Civil Service rules. Did Whitehall approve? Did the rules change across the whole of the UK?

    Did Nicola approve the changes for Scotland only?

    Did Nicola think the change was to capture a different First Minister?

    I regret to say I think not.

  22. Alison says:

    The arrogance amongst certain members of the SNP never fails to astonish. One might have thought that, of all people, Mrs Robertson might do well to keep shtum over these matters.

  23. schrodingers cat says:

    when any allegations are made or investigations commence, all snp members are suspended. party rules

    it wasnt the snp hounding michelle it was the msm, and she attaches no blame to the snp for what happened, indeed, she is presently considering standing as a PPC for the snp.

  24. Newburghgowfer says:

    Well hopefully Mark csn stand as an Independent MSP and people can vote him back in to justify the wrongful slur that has been put on his character by the Party & the media !!

  25. Mac says:

    Mr Marmalade is a wrong ‘un.

  26. liz says:

    You can tell my her pinched face and wanting him to step down as an MSP.
    That is almost unheard of, to boot him out of the SNP was her decision but then pressurizing him to lose his job, was vindictive IMO.

    According to press reports, the SNP used private investigators to interview 18 women.

    Also look at the turning of a blind eye to Mhairi B calling her constituents ‘Hunts’.
    If your part of the in crowd, you can do no wrong.

  27. Beaker says:

    What really annoys me is when public money – i.e. taxpayers’ – is wasted due to allegedly illegal processes. Whoever signed off whatever the process was should be made personally liable.

    As for MacKay, he may not have acted illegal but it most certainly wasn’t what is expected of a minister. The SNP should have kicked him out. Surely there is a clause whereby if a member brings the party into disrepute they get the boot? There’s a few others who could join him.

  28. Red Squirrel says:

    Suddenly the whole wokus dei stuff makes sense – if this is the power brought down on a non-entity MSP in order to win the star prize of destroying AS, there’s no-one safe from this festering fiefdom.. Oh my what a mess they’ve got themselves into.

  29. Sandy says:

    Where can I obtain a face mask with the Saltire?

  30. schrodingers cat says:

    Red Squirrel says:
    Suddenly the whole wokus dei stuff makes sense…

    um.. eh?

  31. Muscleguy says:

    Mark McD must have been promised something not to have either gone public or gone to law over his treatment. Either that or there is something which they wanted covered up about him and his joke tweet was all the pretext they needed.

    If he goes quietly and we never hear from him again I will conclude the latter is true. It could be Evans simply took advantage. Though I wonder what Alex Salmond said to the wrong person about making some sort of comeback for him to need to be kyboshed with the Brtish state’s weapon of choice: a sex scandal. As Craig Murray has well set out this is standard operating procedure. It doesn’t have to be true. In the AS case things may have gotten out of hand and his decision to defend himself so vigorously surpised people.

    As for the idea that public political prosecutions are not operate with half an eye to government let alone high heid yin approval. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

  32. Muscleguy says:

    Also that the SNP are not controlling the AS enquiry is a direct result of Nicola’s failure to pick up the phone to Patrick Harvie and discuss terms after last Holyrood election. That was both churlish and VERY bad politics.

  33. Muscleguy says:

    @Schrodinger’s Cat
    Where have you been? Not around these parts, certainly.

  34. schrodingers cat says:

    not for a while, for sure Muscleguy
    btw, you know Mark McD’s wife also left him? and he isnt snp anymore but an independent

  35. liz says:

    Maybe Mark McD will wait until he’s a private citizen before saying anything.

    That interview with NS I posted, she was at pains to say he agreed he’d done wrong.

    I saw his interview with STV and he said, he didn’t realise he’d done wrong because he was treating the staffer as an equal but after ‘re-education’, he realised that he being in a senior position made what he had done was wrong, which he accepted.

    Were the women ever named?

  36. callmedave says:


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    It is now 18:10hrs and big Auntie BBC have not spoken off or posted the UK corona virus daily total on any of their web sites.


    Scotland ……….01……Total…….2487…BBC
    N. Ireland…….today….01……Total……..552…BBC
    UK……………today…^45……Total…..^43951..^ Daily Mail

    The SUN for England and the Daily Mail for UK are ‘official’ they say.

    C’mon big Auntie BBC 18:20 and nothing on England or the UK. 🙁

  37. schrodingers cat says:

    liz says:
    Were the women ever named?

    dont people in these situation have their anonymity protected?

  38. Corrado Mella says:

    The fish smells from the head.

    SIX YEARS after WE delivered a 45% Yes referendum result that was too close to call, starting from 23%;
    FIVE YEARS after WE delivered 56 SNP MPs out of possible 59;
    FOUR YEARS after a WE delivered a resounding 63% FCUK U to Brexshit;
    FOUR YEARS after WE delivered 59 SNP Constituency MSPs out of possible 73;
    THREE YEARS after WE delivered 35 SNP MPs out of possible 59;
    ONE YEAR after WE delivered 3 SNP MEPs out of possible 6;
    ONE YEAR (almost) after WE delivered 48 SNP MPs out of possible 59;

    WHAT THE FCUK has Miss Sturgeon delivered besides boringly competent governance?
    WHERE IS the drive, the fire, the push?

    I’m bored stiff of this ca’canny.
    If you want to see me, I’m over there, where we’re building the barricades.

  39. Capella says:

    @ liz – thx for posting the BBC report. Yes NS certainly says he should resign as an MSP because he has admitted his behaviour was not good enough. Reading down the report there appears to be more involved than one tweet. Who investigated him? Was it the Leslie Evans brigade or was it the SNP conduct committee? All rather murky.

  40. G H Graham says:

    My money is on a bitter, complex, lesbian love-triangle in or around Bute House & someone close to or belonging to the inner circle has a basket overflowing with savory breadcrumbs being kept for a rainy day.

    What other explanation can there be for the extraordinary levels of alleged corruption at the top of government and the eyebrow raising behaviour of the justice department?

  41. Ahundredthidiot says:


    same place you buy your nappies…. covid bed wetter

  42. liz says:

    The P&J, – I know,- said they used SNP private investigators.

    The reason I asked about the names is because I was certain I knew who one was and I assume I’d read it somewhere.

    I will, of course, not mention the name

  43. schrodingers cat says:

    @Corrado Mella

    we didnt start from 29%, that figure is from early polls which asked yes/no/devo max options

    once devo max was rejected by wm and pollswith only yes/no options were comissioned, yes floated between 42-47% until the actual result

    in 2015, the snp didnt stand on a mandate for independence

    in 2016, they stood on a mandate for indyref2 but before it could happen, treeza may called a ge in 2017. hint, the snp vote dropped to 38%, thats why nicola took it off the table,

    they did win a mandate in dec 2019 but the corona virus put an end to political campaigning in late jan 2020

    and here we are

    but dont give up yer barracade yet, the woad to indy is about to run out, if the next holyrood election returns a vote of 50%+ and bojo still says no,

    what do we do then?

  44. schrodingers cat says:

    liz says:
    The P&J, – I know,- said they used SNP private investigators.

    you shouldnt believe what you read in the papers, especially not that unionist rag

  45. schrodingers cat says:

    G H Graham says:
    My money is on….are you sure that isnt just one of yer wet dreams?

  46. liz says:

    SC I will believe what I like.

    You’re one who thinks that NS can do no wrong and I also read it from someone who said that MMcD should have charged the SG with harassment over the treatment he got. And no I don’t have a copy of that tweet

  47. schrodingers cat says:

    I also read it from someone who said………….

    you’d like mumsnet, you really would 🙂

  48. schrodingers cat says:

    liz says:
    Maybe Mark McD will wait until he’s a private citizen before saying anything.

    he is already a private citizen, he isnt in the snp, he’s an independent

    he can say what he likes about the snp right now?

  49. Capella says:

    Tom Gordon is ferociously anti SNP and anti Independence. So I would take anything he says with a very large pinch of salt. Or anything that appears in the Herald.

    However, there’s no doubt that the committee inquiry will be a rich source of copy for the MSM for weeks so, in this case, the headline is probably not a lie.

  50. Republicofscotland says:

    So the unfortunate Mark MacDonald’s predictive text’ has led to new witch hunt laws coming into force. It will be interesting to learn what Evans, Sturgeon and her husband Peter have to say under oath at the inquiry next month.

    The inquiry will surely be damaging to the SNP, and the Civil service, hopefully the independence cause won’t suffer also.

  51. schrodingers cat says:


    has pete murrel been called to give testimony?

  52. Republicofscotland says:

    “However, there’s no doubt that the committee inquiry will be a rich source of copy for the MSM for weeks so, in this case, the headline is probably not a lie.”


    The SNP will have brought it upon themselves, Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive.

    The unionist media will have a field day with this, dragging it out for weeks. Heads must roll in the Civil service’ Evans for one must be sacrificed on the alter appeasement.

  53. Republicofscotland says:

    “schrodingers cat says:
    2 July, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    has pete murrel been called to give testimony?”

    Schrodingers Cat.

    I think he has been.

  54. Capella says:

    @ republicofscotland – no doubt. It’s quite hard to find out which group of people investigate these things. Should be the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee, but when you read their reports the link to Members doesn’t work.

    Revisions continue. New legislation is required so that historic complaints can be investigated and complaints not made within 1 year of having occurred. I thought the Salmond complaints were historic and over a year since he was FM:

    As noted above, the Committee identified that there would be a need for primary legislation to implement the JWG’s recommendation that “there should be no time limit applied to complaints of sexual harassment”.viii This was required for two reasons. Firstly, legislative change would be necessary to allow for the historic complaints about sexual harassment by MSPs of their own staff to be investigated under the 2002 Act. Secondly, the JWG had specifically recommended the “removal of the current one-year time limit for making a complaint”ix, referring to the requirement in section 6(5) of the Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002 (“2002 Act”) that a complaint be made “within one year from the date when the complainer could reasonably have become aware of the conduct complained about”.—Complaints-against-MSPs—amendment-of-the-Scottish-Parliamentary-Standards-Commissioner-Act-2002#Background

  55. Dogbiscuit says:

    Capella Alec Salmond wasn’t caught by any net he was falsely accused.

  56. Dogbiscuit says:

    I don’t see what the expensively clad P. Harvie has to do with the AS case

  57. Capella says:

    I can’t understand why Leslie Evans had any role at all in investigating anything. I’ve checked out the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life. The current one is Caroline Anderson but she’s only been in post for a year and there’s no info on previous incumbents.

    Giving up for the time being.

    @ dogbiscuit – you still posting here? Being caught in somebody’s net does not imply guilt.

  58. Dogbiscuit says:

    Schrodinger you’ve done your dinger.

  59. Dogbiscuit says:

    Capella yes I’m still posting here .You seem surprised.

  60. Capella says:

    Oh dear – found the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Grim.

  61. Sarah says:

    @ Capella – grim reading. What on earth justifies Davidson being on there at all, let alone as with legal matters in her brief?

  62. bipod says:

    Remember last month (and May, April and March) when nicola was telling us that wearing face masks was pointless and there was no evidence to support the wearing of one? Well now its mandatory now and the police can issue you with a penalty notice if they catch you not wearing one. She is definitely not just making this up as she goes along.

    Dithering, media hungry nicola is belatedly forced to ease some of the lockdown restrictions so instead she introduces new ones. She clearly doesn’t care one jot about the thousands of lives she is ruining with this pointless lockdown, all over a virus that is exactly as deadly as the flu.

  63. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    What I find kinda strange…

    I knew Angus Robertson was married – well, I’ve known since around the start of March. Prior to that, his marital status wasn’t really “newsworthy”. I couldn’t have told you his wife’s name – until this story by Rev Stu, displaying her tweet.

    What I find kinda strange…
    Why did a woman, who had not in the public limelight, decide that it was a ‘good idea’ to cast aspersions on Tom Gordon’s Herald story?

    Makes you wonder…

  64. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    who had not in the public limelight = who had not BEEN in the public limelight…

  65. AYRSHIRE ROB says:

    For all the doubters of borders including the BJ’s and Rees Moggies. Here you go,includes the other 6000 miles of maritime waters,stolen in 1999 aided and abetted by Blair and Dewar.

  66. Beaker says:

    “Revenge is a dish best served cold.”


    Starter for 10 is if you understand the word.
    Bonus 5 points for the language.

    I’m reeeaalllly bored….

  67. george wood says:

    @bipod 8.00pm

    The virus has only infected around 7% of the UK and yet it has managed to kill 40k+ people.

    You really don’t have a clue.

    Any sensible person would look at the world’s reaction to this and realise this is something out of the ordinary.Flu does not scare the shit out of the world’s governments to the extent that they are willing to go into a deep recession to try and halt this virus from spreading

  68. Effijy says:

    Prince Andrew under pressure about under age companions.

    Ghiselane Maxwell should take taxis through any Parisian tunnels
    For the foreseeable future.

  69. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Or maybe shouldn’t…

  70. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “it wasnt the snp hounding michelle it was the msm, and she attaches no blame to the snp for what happened”

    Gee, I guess you must have spoken to her more about it than I have.

  71. TheBuchanLoony says:

    Wikipedia for another Jennifer Robertson says she is a Canadian actress, best known for her role as Jocelyn Schitt in the CBC comedy Schitt’s Creek…well there is going to be another lot in Schitt’s Creek soon!

  72. Fairliered says:

    Nicola Sturgeon is doing an excellent job of managing COVID-19. However, that suits her personality – a manager. After the Alex Salmond enquiry, I expect an assortment of Murrells and Robertsons to have not only lost the enquiry, but be found guilty of lying. Also, I hope Mark McDonald stands for the ISP, or as an independent at next year’s election – and to gain more votes than useless Robertson.

  73. schrodingers cat says:

    i have, she now lives in ne fife, my constituency

  74. schrodingers cat says:

    i think michelle would make a good candidate against wullie rennie

  75. AYRSHIRE ROB says:

    george wood says:
    2 July, 2020 at 8:25 pm
    @bipod 8.00pm

    Having read many posts on this subject on here the past few months, i would say without doubt that bipod is a unionist msp, that’s my humble opinion .

    Lacks basic common sense,lacks empathy and doesn’t understand what a new and complicated virus is.There’s many world renown virologists that have explained what this virus does. Unfortunately the Donald Trumps and other virus deniers seem to be incapable of understanding the laws of nature. A virus doesn’t care what your politics is.It will devour you given any opportunity to do so. You adapt,it adapts.You put mitigation’s in place until you have effective treatments or a vaccine.

    Remember there’s no cure for flu,only vaccine mitigation’s which changes every year because influenza mutates every year without fail. We have only came to live with it in last hundred years because we have cures and vaccines.

    So wear a mask,it saves lives and protects others from a symptomatic carriers like bipod and others who refuse to understand

    Just think ,you too could look good like the “lone ranger” just like Donald Trump in his latest vain gaff comment

    “Hi ho silver,away”.

  76. Beaker says:

    @schrodingers cat says:
    2 July, 2020 at 8:50 pm
    “i think michelle would make a good candidate against wullie rennie”

    Kermit the Frog would be a good candidate, or even better, Animal.

  77. schrodingers cat says:

    or even better beaker?

    na, we’ll avoid muppets

  78. james mallon Drones Over Scotland says:

    Just painted a wall, slow paint, just sitting sobber to watch it dry.
    Fk me we have covid about to take the world over and I see this WOS meaningless fkn crap.

    I Suggested wearing masks fk, at the start of fkn covid, no response.

    Keep fkn commenting on fkn political meaningless shit, with all the fkn academic graphs to justify.

    The world is in seriouse breakdown when we are commenting on the past self-indulgent fkn shit.

    Let’s consider the next fkn melt down.

    As long as covid is not a fkn tory, that will do me.

    We are, as a planet fkd, personal interests have fkd it. Trumphy fkn aresehole (we all are) has endorsed.

    We are all to blame, so fkn relax we have all contributed to the fkn situation.

    Who the fk really now is interested in Scottish politics.
    Now let’s get a life (it may be short for some ).

    Away to play darts on my Maggie Thatcher dartboard ( it’s hanging to fk)

  79. george wood says:


    How they manage to square the world’s reaction to what they call just flu is beyond me.

  80. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi schrodingers cat at 8:56 pm

    You typed,
    “na, we’ll avoid muppets”

    Why? They talk as much sense as some posting here…–Ijdc

  81. Capella says:

    Lot of snowflakes out tonight. I’m off to watch Anne Frank – Parallel Lives on Netflix. Now that really was a lockdown under the real Nazis but somehow less depressing than the poor people of Scotland forced to wear masks in shops to save their lives. Horror.

  82. Ahundredthidiot says:


    you are spot on.

    George Wood can go wet his bed…. again

  83. Capella says:

    @ BDTT – ha ha ha – brilliant. Was that Pete and Dud?
    Nice clip to go off to nazi infested Amsterdam with.

  84. schrodingers cat says:

    very true bdtt

  85. Jon Musgrave says:

    Worth noting that the “Scottish” civil service is just a branch office of the London based UK civil service. SO they are likely to have pressure put on them to try to reduce etc SNP efficiency and use their time/work to support the UK as an entity.

  86. schrodingers cat says:


    you seem to have a fixation with bed wetting, bdtt is right, i prefer muppets to paid up members of the golden shower brigade

  87. Ahundredthidiot says:


    You can join CBB on the scroll past list.

  88. schrodingers cat says:


    devasted moi 🙁

  89. schrodingers cat says:

    @james mallon Drones Over Scotland

    so what yer really saying is….. wir doomed?

  90. robbo says:

    Hmm ahundredthidiot.

    Oh well. I assume you know the square root of zero?
    Very much a lot of your contributions that I have seen. You carry on being the idiot all you want. THE SAME ATTENDS THE COWARD,AS THE BRAVE.

  91. Ahundredthidiot says:

    You can base decisions on evidence or advice. 4 months ago all we had was lots of advice (from people with a TERRIBLE track record) and little data – that has now reversed significantly.

    COVID is flu. No worse, no better. Lots of people are going to feel awfully stupid as the reality sinks in. no bodies in the streets, on trains, in shops. no ‘bring out your dead’ or hangars filled with the sick, no hazard teams dragging stiffs out of dwellings, no mortuaries burst, no grave diggers exhausted.

    As the good Doctor said, ‘its a new test, not a new virus’

    How does it feel to be scammed folks…. suckers…. now the rest of us have to dance to your song of fear and trepidation by wearing pointless fucking facemasks.

  92. Ahundredthidiot says:


    hows the weather in yorkshire?

  93. schrodingers cat says:


    you sound like spoilt bastard from the viz

    you gotta purdy mouth boy. 🙂

  94. jfngw says:

    Do we have Alex Cole-Hamilton and James Kelly (MSP) in our mist, guess which is which.

  95. CameronB Brodie says:

    Seeing as Ahundredthidiot scrolls past me, I can call all sort of things and he’ll remain ignorant, which appears to be his nature. His loss.

    Manager’s Guidance: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Risk Assessment (18/05/2020)

    What is a risk assessment?
    Risk assessment, is a careful examination of what, could cause harm to people, whether you have taken enough precautions or should do more to prevent harm. It will help you identify and prioritise putting in place, appropriate and sensible control measures to ensure the best possible reduction of the risk of harm….

  96. schrodingers cat says:


    he really doesnt know what he is missing 🙂

    which of us do you think he hates the most?

    bear in mind he hasnt got to know me very well

  97. CameronB Brodie says:

    sorry….I can call him/her/it all sort of things…..

    Risk management
    Coronavirus (COVID-19): update

  98. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Capella at 9:10 pm

    “@ BDTT – ha ha ha – brilliant. Was that Pete and Dud?”

    It was indeed. One of the best comedy albums ever… “Derek And Clive Live”.

  99. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    How competitive are you, on a scale of 0-10? I go all the way up to eleven myself. 🙂

  100. schrodingers cat says:

    as to having my uses, i also have my moments

  101. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    I hope they help justify your position of rejecting Natural Law? 😉

    President Trump, Impeachment, and the “Higher Law”: Part I
    “The legality of the Constitution, its supremacy, and its claim to be worshipped alike find common standing ground on the belief in a law superior to the will of human governors.” &#8212 E.S. Corwin, The “Higher Law” Background of American Constitutional Law

    “The Natural Law (Higher Law) is absolutely binding, and overrules all other laws.” &#8212 A.P. d’Entreves, Natural Law

  102. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    C’mon you two, Cameron and shrodingers – just decide to bear each others children and save us all the angst!

  103. CameronB Brodie says:

    Brian Doonthetoon
    You might be easy but I’m no pushover. It takes the right sort of sweet talk to get me motivated. 🙂

  104. I see Scotland`s First Minister, Saint Nicola Sturgeon, held an audience via telephone with Lizzie II,

    i think Lizzie II was asking if she could cross the border into Scotland and have her holidays,

    as long as she is tested , doesnae bring any of the dysfunctional family with her and doesnae go wandering aboot, i think she should be ok.

  105. twathater says:

    Day 1 SC states i’m here to sort out the WOS btl comments this infatuation with CWD is going to stop and we’re going to get back to talking about indy things ,he tries hard by multiple postings and slagging people off and TELLING people that the GRA doesn’t matter ,indy topics only matter

    Day 2 SCat frustrated , Stuart Campbell the owner of the site posts an item relating to the GRA debacle ,at first SC pretends that he is interested and involved by making a couple of comments re the subject at hand but then eventually succeeds in diverting the comments away from the GRA

    Day 3 Stuart Campbell logs a post hinting that Mrs Robertson may be trying to divert attention away from an article that paints the SNP and NS in a bad light , SCat continues with his whitewashing of the can do no wrong SNP by questioning a posters information of wrongdoing
    If nothing else at least SCat is a trier

  106. james mallon Drones Over Scotland says:

    Re. schrodingers cat says:

    Look at comments, assess the situation and make up your own mind.

    Why fkn keep going over the same shit political crap when the world has had a fundamental once in a fkn universal lifetime change.
    This is not a TV show where the channel can change to suit your wee personal mood.
    Fk politicians, fk clergy including once upon a time Revs, fk middle-class arseholes who decide their standards on their personal agenda.
    Now that leaves the rest, well fk me mate.
    The world is fkd and you are part of it.

  107. james mallon Drones Over Scotland says:

    Re. Scot Finlayson

    Fkn hang draw and quarter the fkn useless unemployed malingering fkr. Cling on.

    Get her tae fk.

    Her family are a bunch of council scheme unemployable loosers.
    They have represented the unemployed malingering fkrs for decades.

    But some folk need them for their bigotry agenda (RFC).

    Fk them and wha’s like them.

    Andrews a decent fkn pervy bstrd, immagine getting a FK on the taxpayer account like they all do.
    Fk me, the drinks kicking in, the drones are noe buzzing.

    This site is now meaningless, time to move on.

  108. CameronB Brodie says:

    If only there was some hope. Unfortunately, there’s not much hope for Scotland without protection from EU law, which respects the “precautionary principle”. Sigh.

    Silver Linings: A Phenomenology of Hope and Purpose in Climate Change and Sustainability Education

  109. call me dave says:

    Corona: Two maps only one shows true picture:

  110. schrodingers cat says:


    i thought i was doing quite well 🙂

    you seem to have noticed me

  111. deerhill says:

    We appear to have a new Brigade 77 ranker posting tonight.

    His initials seem to be fk?

  112. schrodingers cat says:


    it isnt difficult to divert a thread, people do it all the time, the topic on threads especially on posts days old have a tendency wander about by themselves

    the only way i can divert a thread is if post a comment and people are interested enough to reply, same as it is for everyone

  113. Chris Downie says:

    Jennifer Robertson loves Marmalade, allegedly.

  114. Indyman says:

    james mallon Drones Over Scotland – I want to have your children

  115. CameronB Brodie says:

    “the only way i can divert a thread is if post a comment and people are interested enough to reply, same as it is for everyone”

    That’ll be why the cat sit at the top of the thread. It pretty obvious the cat is intent on narrowing opinion and guiding political outcome. However, without a respect for Natural Law, the cat’s opinion can be safely regarded as empty and irrational dogma.

    Organic Natural Law: The Legal Philosophy of George Hugh Smith

  116. schrodingers cat says:


    there isnt a thread of convo running at the moment, you want a thread on natural law but unfortunately, no one is biting, at least they havent bitten the last 400 times you posted hyperlinks to the topic

  117. mike cassidy says:

    Don’t forget.

    Within two weeks of Leslie Evans’ illegal review being booted out of court

    Nicola Sturgeon said yes to Leslie Evans staying on as her leading civil servant for two more years.

  118. Joseph says:

    The bastards of BBC Scotland filling our screens with fuckin foreign football.

    Fuck off BBC Scotland, if you think you are getting a penny out of me for you to lie to me and feed me information about news and sports from a foreign country, you have no chance.

  119. Cath says:

    “It doesn’t have to be true. In the AS case things may have gotten out of hand and his decision to defend himself so vigorously surpised people“

    I think they also assumed when they went public with the name and allegations loads more women would come forward. It’s actually amazing they didn’t. Most powerful men that age would have a string of women they could in some way be alleged to have harassed, or female enemies desperate to get a kick in, or even political opponents. That’s what’s so unfair about these cases – create the smoke and people will assume fire, then tiny incidents start to assume greater meaning, ‘ah, that was a pattern, I’d better come forward’. The fact after such a long and powerful career they couldn’t dig up and more muck than what went to court (he pinged my hair – the horror) speaks volumes about the man and the case against him.

  120. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    Keep digging cat, you are only showing yourself for what you are, which is a political activist, first and foremost. I’ve no objection to how you choose to support indy, I just think your loyalty to party clouds your judgement. Which is devoid of legal content or even respect for the law. So kindly sort yourself out or fuck off. TA.

    The Public Trust Doctrine and Natural Law:
    Emanations Within a Penumbra

  121. CameronB Brodie says:

    sorry….I’ve no objection to how you choose to support indy, so long as it can be supported in law, I just think….

  122. schrodingers cat says:

    Sturgeon Daily Update:

    Reporter from The S**: ‘will you fine parents of 6 year old children if their 6 year old doesn’t wear a mask at the supermarket?’

    Sturgeon reply to The S** reporter: ‘ that is the kind of question one might expect from a 6 year old, don’t be so stupid.”

    ps hows the thread on natural law doin’ cam?

  123. Joseph says:

    Cath 11.11pm

    Watch what you are saying.

    Crap-ella will be down on you like a ton of bricks for insinuating her Nikla was in some way guilty of trying to frame an innocent man.

  124. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    On Prince Andrew and Epstein:

    SKY News giving a timeline of Ghislaine Maxwell but neglect to mention this confirmed sighting:

    “ Footage emerges of Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘madam’ Ghislaine Maxwell after she secretly met Prince Andrew at Buckingham Palace in June just days before she had to go into hiding.”

    Auld Betty was allegedly in the room as well!

  125. Dogbiscuit says:

    Capella hiding behind your door and calling people ‘snowflakes’ . Ya wee Government shill.

  126. Joseph says:

    Crap-Ella loves Nikla.

  127. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    You’ve no moral authority or supremacy over me cat. I’m trying not to obstruct the conversation, as you appear to be doing a grand job of blurring the truth yourself.

    However, here’s one to help you sort your party out, as they appear blind to the politics of ontology (see GRA or Treaty Law). So they’re not much use to anyone but themselves right now. You’ve a degree in philosophy, so here’s some stuff to motivate you and your party towards a respect for Natural Law.


    Because the participants in the debate over constitutional originalism generally understand the controversy to be over a matter of the objective truth of competing interpretations of the Constitution, they do not believe that their mission is to persuade the other side. When what is at stake is a matter of objective truth, subjective opinions are of less moment.

    This Article begins the long overdue transcendence of our increasingly fruitless and acrimonious debate over originalism by articulating the tacit philosophical premises that make the debate possible. It demonstrates that originalism, despite its pretensions to common sense and its disavowal of abstruse philosophical analysis, is tacitly committed to three key ontological and linguistic premises.

    First, language represents the world. Second, propositions or statements are true if they accurately (truly) represent that world. Thus, propositions of constitutional law represent the constitutional world. As a consequence, propositions or statements of constitutional law are true if they accurately (truly) represent that constitutional world. Third, there is an ontologically independent Constitution that our constitutional interpretation describes.

    For the originalist, that objective Constitution is the semantic understanding of the constitutional provisions when they were originally adopted or amended. Moreover, surprisingly, originalism’s critics are also committed to these same premises about the nature of language, the nature of truth and the existence of an objective Constitution.

    Originalism’s critics assert that the objective Constitution has sources beyond the original understanding of its provisions. These shared premises about the nature of language and the nature of the Constitution permit the debate over originalism to proceed as a debate about the objective truth of constitutional interpretations and the accuracy of each side’s description of the objective facts about the Constitution.

    Because both sides of the debate believe there to be an objective answer to the questions they address, the debate can focus upon defending the account of the relevant interpretation rather than on persuading the other side. Understanding that fundamental dynamic to the debate helps explain why it has been so unproductive. Moreover, understanding that the debate over originalism is only possible if these premises are true highlights the underlying question whether such premises are indeed correct.

  128. Joseph says:

    Alex Salmond got hounded to within an inch of his life for the allegations made against him regarding sexual harassment.

    Don’t see any hounding of the Pervy Prince.


    The bias reporting against Salmond is there for all to see.

  129. Dogbiscuit says:

    A virus isn’t stopped by a face mask.Sturgeon in lockstep with Hancock.She leads like a heel hound.
    Too many Wingers falling for Government propaganda.Its laughable. Imagine invoking Anne Frank as an example of others suffering.Wait and see.
    The Government carried out a wee Holocaust of their own when they emptied the hospital’s of old folks and stuck them in care homes. A person has no human rights in this country once they reach a certain age. Now no one has human rights especially now that mandatory vaccines are on the way.
    If you lot are the intellectual teeth of Independence then the Crown can rest easy as it turns your life to shit.
    It’s difficult to decide who is the most bovine among you. The genuinely frightened or the Government shills trying to keep the Herd together.
    What a disappointment.

  130. CameronB Brodie says:

    I’m not sure if there is much consistency or coherent logic to the biscuit’s narrative, but hey, life is cheap to some.

    The Constitution and Enforceable Natural Law

  131. Capella says:

    Just watched Anne Frank – Parallel Stories on Netflix. Brilliantly done. Two years hiding from the Nazis in an attic in Amsterdam. Captured, deported to Auschwitz, died in Belsen.

    Still, not as bad as us eh. Three months in lockdown in our own homes and now forced to wear masks in shops by the evil nazi dictator Sturgeon. And for what?
    Next stop – everything back to normal.

  132. Al-Stuart says:


    Thankyou for your sane BTL précis of twatcat. I like your style. Also I thought the crap-cat had bu66ered off to pi55 over WoS on Little Mr Small’s BTL fan club or some such.

    Puzzled a bit. I thought the whole point of Shroedinger’s cat is that it is alive and dead.

    When do we get to the time when the fleabitten old bag of fish guts and cat urine is finally gone to Einstein’s box with the atomic particle having done it’s job, expired from rabid dehydration caused by drivel output, and we don’t need to get repetitive strain injury scrolling past interminable BTL excrement by a feline with verbal/literal diarrhoea.

    twathater says:
    2 July, 2020 at 10:10 pm
    Day 1 SC states i’m here to sort out the WOS btl comments this infatuation with CWD is going to stop and we’re going to get back to talking about indy things ,he tries hard by multiple postings and slagging people off and TELLING people that the GRA doesn’t matter ,indy topics only matter

    Day 2 SCat frustrated , Stuart Campbell the owner of the site posts an item relating to the GRA debacle ,at first SC pretends that he is interested and involved by making a couple of comments re the subject at hand but then eventually succeeds in diverting the comments away from the GRA

  133. schrodingers cat says:


    your confusing Einstein’s box with yer maw’s

    btw, does she ken yer usin’ her pc?

  134. MaggieC says:

    I see Kirsten Oswald has decided to stand for the post of Snp deputy group leader after Kirsty Blackman decided to stand down from the post .

  135. schrodingers cat says:

    seeing a lot of tweets from people worried that bojo is planing to shut down holyrood in jan

    that should please a lot of folk on here 🙂

  136. schrodingers cat says:


    you really should wear a mask, more for everyone elses benefit

  137. Beaker says:

    @Dogbiscuit says:
    2 July, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    “The Government carried out a wee Holocaust…”

    That comment is unacceptable.

  138. James says:

    You, sir, are an idiot.

  139. schrodingers cat says:

    Jockanese Wind Talker says:
    “ Footage emerges of Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘madam’ Ghislaine Maxwell after she secretly met Prince Andrew at Buckingham Palace in June just days before she had to go into hiding.”

    Auld Betty was allegedly in the room as well!


    brenda knew this story was going to break, thats why andrew was made to step down

    watch the brit establishment close ranks and the trolls on here start blaming nicola 🙂

  140. Joseph says:

    schrodingers cat says: 12:23 am


    “your confusing Einstein’s box with yer maw’s”

    Brilliant cat.

    That made me laugh.

  141. CameronB Brodie says:

    Without recourse to Natural Law, Scotland is defenseless against authoritarian English/British nationalism. The cat and his party would have you believe differently, and now find themselves boxed in by Brexitanian constitutional bollocks. Can someone please take legal action outwith the pseudo-legality of British constitutional practice?

    Classical Legal Naturalism and the Politics of John
    Marshall’s Constitutional Jurisprudence, 33 J.
    Marshall L. Rev. 935 (2000)

  142. schrodingers cat says:

    i wonder who else is now sweating with Ghislaine Maxwell now singing like a canary to the fbi

  143. Ayeright says:


    There’s a lot of posters on here who really don’t like you as I’m sure you’ve noticed. They really would like to see you stop posting, I wonder why lol. You’re a lot stronger than them and they hate you for it.

    Keep up the good work Cat, it’s fun to watch 🙂

  144. schrodingers cat says:

    tx ayeright 🙂

  145. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    Here’s a suggestion for your bedtime reading. I though I’d get my shout in early as you do appear to be a bit fussy. Please try to remember the law is larger than your ego, and I’m connected to t’internet. 😉

    The Role of Natural Law in the Constitution

  146. schrodingers cat says:


    you said you’d read me a story??

  147. CameronB Brodie says:

    Here’s a story I hope you like, though it’s a bit too long to read it out to you. You appear to have time on you hands though, so please indulge yourself at your leisure. There are other stories, if you’re not happy with this one. 😉

    Notes on an Ethics of Human Rights: From the Question of Commitment to a Phenomenological Theory of Reason and Back

    One of the challenges for our culture is how to think human rights in a way that does not fall pray to cultural relativism, but remains open to intercultural dialogue and alert to historical contingency. This is why we need an ethics of human rights as a culture of thinking for which this paper will try to outline two basic threads.

    Loidolt will focus on man not as the bearer of human rights but as the being that can adjudge (zusprechen) and constitute ‘right’ at all. Hence, Loidolt will rather concentrate on human accomplishments and responsibility than on human needs. The philosophical background of the argument is a phenomenological one.

    With this approach Loidolt will try to embrace both a universal, transcendental level and a level of cultural awareness that tries to face the other as other. In this approach, universality remains something aspired after that keeps being constituted from the outside and that asks for a practical performative attitude.

  148. twathater says:

    SC maybe you could name these trolls and SNP and NS haters to save us genuine INDEPENDENCE SUPPORTERS from trying to identify them

  149. schrodingers cat says:


    i left the thread open for you to take the lead and its taken you till 2 in the mornin tae cum up with that pish, full marks fur findin’ the caps lock tho’

  150. twathater says:

    Yeah SC you’re not here to debate and discuss all you are here for is disruption and denigration , your dismissal , bullying and disrespect to females and others who are rightfully concerned re the HATED GRA amendments and the HATE crime bill is disgusting , you talk about people decrying and undermining NS and the SNP yet you don’t even consider that it is the same NS and SNP who are creating this animosity and anger

    You and others talk about ignoring these bills , getting indy done then thereafter reverse these bills , as others have pointed out Labour , the greens , the lib dumbs and probably the tories are all for the GRA amendments so if you can’t get them binned now what are the chances of getting them reversed

    The OBAF bill received wide support from the general public in TRYING to address sectarianism yet that was overturned by the numbnuts in HR (not the snp)for purely political point scoring , BUT would they overturn the GRA and HATE bill to point score ( i don’t think so)
    So if you want to talk about independence tell us what the SNP should do to reassure supporters that they are listening to their concerns
    The floor is open

  151. Al-Stuart says:


    You’re efforts to talk sense into Shroedinger’s pussy is admirable.

    Just seeing the insane number of posts shat-cat makes has me professionally concerned that whatever he/she or it is, they are ticking at least 14 disorders in the DSM manual.

    I genuinely believe Stuart Campbell should be thinking of asking a mental health team to go around to the cat-house of that deranged ball of putrid pussy brained amateur troller and Section the thing under the Mental Health Act.

    Stuart Campbell is a world class computer expert. He could make a fortune and do us all a big favour by adding a button onto all of his WoS pages that PERMANENTLY MUTES/REMOVES a mutant troll from our respective timelines here.

    Even the festering Facebook have one of those “block” buttons.

    It would help the sanity of many of us, if we could press the BLOCK SHAT-CAT BUTTON and send it into outer space forever where he, she or it can commune with fellow astro NUTS.

  152. Dave says:

    It will be Alex Salmond himself who will show you up as the gibbering spew anti Independence merchant that you have become. Alex will go after his enemies nothing is surer and when they DONT include the Scottish Government and FM you’re going to look like the total turncoat you’ve become. Who got to you? The State? Found something in your past? Got so tied up with the Woke pish you forgot the people who supported and funded your blog because you once did a superb job of holding the UK state to account. Now look at you. There is so much corruption going on in Westminster you should be having a fucking field day but you’ve all but shut down over any critique of the UK state and have now focused you’re entire blog onto attacking the Scottish Government.You dont deserve the funding you’ve received if you had a shred of decency you’d be paying it all back.

  153. CameronB Brodie says:

    Are you not concerned that the Scottish government appear to be seeking to transform Scots law in ways that would undermine Scottish democracy?

    Sexual Ethics, Human Nature, and New Natural Law Theory

    “New” natural law theorists and “old” natural law theorists both see human flourishing as the proper end of all ethics, including sexual ethics. Yet they disagree about how human nature informs practical reasoning. This first in a two-part series.

  154. Dave says:

    How are we supposed to know Mark MacDonald made a typo? We only have his word for it and you take it at face value while people who actually know the man personally condemned him perhaps on the basis that they KNOW HIM PERSONALLY? Now I dont know if he did or didnt you could argue that he should be innocent until proven guilty so Im inclined to think that maybe the decision was taken on the basis of other unreported incidents or personal knowledge of the mans personality. Either way you were quick to jump onto a side of the fence that fitted with an agenda you’re running the very thing you accuse opponents of Independence of doing frequently.

  155. Dave says:


    Im more concerned that this woke crap is undermining our ONLY chance to gain our Independence and power to deal with any and all issues in Scotland without subjective interference from a foreign power greater in influence and command. Why arent you?

  156. CameronB Brodie says:

    I hear you and I want to get on with the job myself. However, there doesn’t appear to be much being done in terms of defending Scotland’s legal identity, other than a concerted attack on the rationality of Scots law. Independence is highly unlikely if Scots law is gutted in the manner that is ongoing.

  157. Sensibledave says:

    Al Stuart 3.31

    A “CAM SPAM“ button would be marvellous!

    Or, it automatically deletes anyone who posts 2 irrelevant, boring links on a thread?

    Or it deletes any comment that includes “natural law” in the text?

    Or someone who posts more than 52 times in an hour?

  158. CameronB Brodie says:

    I see you’ve still not found a respect for natural law or John Locke. I imagine that’s ’cause you’re a culturally-bound Toryboy.

    The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence: Natural Law in American History

  159. Robert Louis says:

    Oh yes, the cracks are starting to show, in this despicable conspiracy. That such things have been done by people WITHIN the SNP, tells me just how much it has been infiltrated by English-run spooks. This was never about careerist/political gain, but to destroy an innocent man. A UK state sponsored plot.

    I have no idea why Mrs Robertson would speak out publicly in this way, or why she even cares. To me it seems that Queen Gertrude’s comment to Hamlet, in the play by Will Shakespeare, is possibly somewhat appropriate;

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”

  160. call me dave says:

    Coronavirus: Quarantine scrapped for arrivals from ‘low risk’ countries to England

    The Department for Transport (DfT) added the devolved administrations “will set out their own approach to exemptions” and passengers returning to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland “should ensure they follow the laws and guidance which applies there”.

    But!…but Boris said the notion of a border between Scotland & England is ridiculous.
    People who are determined will find a way by flying out and back from England… but Hey! A point has been made even though it may only be for a few days.

  161. Joseph says:

    The FBI have got the Pervy Prince’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell in jail at the moment.

    They have threatened her with twenty years permanent residency in an American jail if she is found guilty of child trafficking.

    But a favourite trick of the FBI is to offer a plea bargain.

    They will put to her that if she tells them everything she knows about Prince Andrew and Epstein they will offer her a light prison sentence or even a pardon.

    And nine times out of ten they usually take up the FBIs offer and so watch out for her sticking the Pervy Prince right in it.

    Lizzie’s favourite blue eyed boy could be for the high jump.

    He could find himself behind bars in America for the rest of his life.

    Will the BBC hound Prince Andrew the way they hounded Alex Salmond?

    Watch this space.

  162. Robert Louis says:

    Sharny dubs at 449pm

    I think once it is released their will be a waiting list. The proverbial will hit the fan. I do not expect Mr. Salmond will miss. Good. He is an innocent man treated in the most horrific way.

  163. Joseph says:

    Al Stuart 3.31am

    So you and a few others want a “Delete Button” to make posters YOU don’t fancy disappear.

    So does that work both ways or is it just going to be you who has a Delete Button???

    Because if we all end up deleting every post, then you will have a public blog with no comments BTL.

    So, I think your extermination plan needs a little tweeking.

    Look forward to your updated rethink Al

  164. Joseph says:

    Questions for the day:

    Is England a Devolved Nation?

    If not, why not?


    How do you define a “Regional Airport”?

    Is Edinburgh a Regional Airport?

    Is Heathrow a Regional Airport?

    Questions will be put to the little englanders who run the BBC news rooms.

  165. Julia Gibb says:

    I remember when the posts related to the article. We now have blogs within a blog. Each “expert” has the solution to achieving their vision of the route to Independence.

    The main articles are thought provoking. The standard of posts following it are plummeting.

    If a fraction of the energy of the complainers posting about “wrong strategies” was put into actually doing something then we would be Independent already.

    The rock throwers pat each other on the back and praise the team in a manner very similar to the green ink gang on the BBC HYS.

    Do you actually think this private club developing wins over anyone from NO to YES? A little clique who scream heresay when anyone questions them.

    I do have to thank you for one thing. I now know that staying in the SNP is the right thing to do. At least fighting to win the Party back is better than the empty gripes and aimless drivel of the dwindling inner circle on here.

  166. Carol Jardine says:

    Thank you Julia Gibb. I’ve been lurking here since about 2013 and seldom comment. You have voiced exactly what I was thinking just last night as I once again gave up reading the comments. Those whose opinions I have long followed are still there, but their voices are being drowned out by as you say, a little clique who’s views I have read. It doesn’t make good reading.

  167. Allan Watson says:

    Dave at 0621hrs


  168. ahundredthidiot says:

    …….and talking of breadcrumbs

    The Lady Maxwells arrest – made possible by Trump draining the CIA/FBI swamp of their corrupt leaders allowing their Officers to do their job without fear of destroying their careers (remember BBC and Saville).

    More will follow (hopefully). The MSM (partner to the world wide paedophile ring controlling just about everything from charities to politicians East Germany style) has done its job up to a point by creating Trump derangement Syndrome amongst those dumb enough to believe their ‘news’ lies. Some of these mugs even post on here with no reason whatsoever why they hate the man – programmed well the MSM chiefs would say – like a pavlovs dog at the mention of his name.

    and lets not forget why Bolton walked – Trump refused to go to war with Iran, do the Trump haters on here really think Hillary would’ve had the balls for that? It takes courage to face down the Hawks, the opposite to sacrifice the lives of someone elses kids just to look strong

    A gid Scot in the White House – no many at holyrood though…….more’s the pity.

  169. Sharny Dubs says:

    Robert Louis @ 7:41

    Yes Mr Salmond is not famous for missing (smile).

    The big question is what he will do with it? In whoever’s attempts to confine him to the political dustbin (not to mention possible jail time of an innocent man) has/have only weaponised him further.

    Start a new party? Take back control of the SNP? Support a new administration within the SNP? Bow out gracefully after putting the monster feline among the feathered things? The possibilities are endless.

    One thing is for sure in these times when shifty “Del boy” politicians are the norm, decent upstanding figures are scarcer than hens teeth, hard to come by.

    I say with confidence that whatever he decides will be ok, welcomed and supported, by yours truly. Now that’s not something you can easily say these days.

  170. Dave says:

    @ahundredthidiot Would that be the same Trump who was a close friend of Jeffery Epstein?

  171. Ottomanboi says:

    What the events of 2020 with its corona paranoiacs, fabulously inaccurate computer modellers, black lives matterers, gender shape-shifters and general melt down indicate is that the neurotics are now fully in charge of the building.
    Of course many suspected all along that things were trending that way. Public and political life, SocMed and the rest do tend to attract the type. There are some things just too dangerous for free access.
    As the screw of suppression and lockdown is slackened, just for the moment but do remember that second wave, the sane, what is left of them, will emerge into a sci fi scenario where to be what you were on New Years day 2020 may suggest a criminal state of mind.
    So be glad to be a criminal, wear the label with pride!

  172. Dave says:

    @Cameron B Brodie

    The ONLY way we can protect our separate Scottish legal system is to separate Scotland from the overpowering influence and control of England. They can at any time end the separation of the judiciary within the UK and make it subject to English legal dominion they actually have that power just as they have the power to end Devolution completely. Thats the problem not singular issues such as gender identity or taxation or education or legal jurisdiction but ALL OF THEM.

  173. robertknight says:


    A picture paints a thousand words…

  174. Devi Sridhar (from twitter)
    Professor & Chair of Global Public Health, EdinburghUni

    Medical School. Director of GlobalHealthG
    Health governance, financing, policy, systems & security.


    (`I currently live and work in Scotland. I want Scotland to get rid of the virus, re-open economy & schools & have those shielding feel safe. I contribute my expertise to support this happening. I want the same for the entire UK.
    How can anyone living here want Scotland to fail?` )


    the question of the ages.

  175. Stuart MacKay says:

    Joseph at 7:40am

    Andy Pandy is not going to spend any time inside. Instead the Americans just got themselves a massive stick to beat the UK trade negotiators with.

  176. Joseph says:

    Julia Gibb 8.19

    Another Sturgeon apologist.

    Can you tell me what Sturgeon has done to further the cause of Scottish Independence?

    What about Scotland remaining in the EU?

    Because as far as I can see Scotland will finally lose all contact with the EU on 1st January 2021.

    And as for indyRef2, that seems to be turning into a forgotten dream.

    Boris seems to be able to ride two horses at once, with him also pushing for a full No Deal Brexit.

    Why can’t Sturgeon do something similar and push for indyRef2 as well as handling the Covid19 crisis?

    And I haven’t even started on her involvement in the Alex Salmond Case.

    So there are ligitimate questions that Sturgeon has to answer.

    Hence the loss of trust in Sturgeon and her useless shower at Westminster.

    And your answer to the likes of me is,,,lie back and think of Scotland, because Nicola will sort everything out,,, eventually.

    Well life doesn’t work like that.

    And she has big questions to answer,,,,she can’t hide behind the Covid19 crisis forever.

  177. ahundredthidiot says:

    robert knight @ 9:09

    it does – and trust me, that picture says a lot more about just how gullible you are…….a child can spot its a fake…..

    I bet you didn’t even check it properly, just lifted it straight off the internet – I hereby confirm your condition, you have the TDS

  178. Joseph says:

    Stuart Mackay 9.18

    You might be right.

  179. Stuart MacKay says:

    Joseph, Al-Stuart

    There are plugins for the FireFox and Chrome browsers that let you run UserScripts – code which executes when a web page is loaded. That allows you to do anything to a web page.

    I posted a script to GreasyFork called WOS Hammer. When you install which adds a delete button to each posters name. Clicking deletes all their posts on the page. They will reappear if you reload the page but nuking people a few times a day is rather therapeutic.

    If that all sounds like gibberish, then you’re right, but it’s the best solution I have right now. It works well too.

  180. Sensibledave says:

    Joseph 9.25

    You wrote “ Boris seems to be able to ride two horses at once, with him also pushing for a full No Deal Brexit.”

    … just to correct that … letting the EU know that we will go no deal, if they don’t agree an appropriate free trade deal.

  181. Joseph says:

    The rise in support for Scottish Independence has absolutely nothing to do with Sturgeon’s push for it.

    It is because of other events happening around her.

    We need a leader who can capitalise on these circumstances and push on with our fight.

    Sturgeon seems overly comfortable with the present devolved way of running Scotland.

  182. Effijy says:

    For all the talk about the virus coming under control
    It’s only taken a few days to add another 1,000,000
    Positive contamination’s taking the tested total to 11,000,000.

    RE Randy Andy- I actually laughed to read the statement made
    By the young woman who said Andy had sex with her was struck
    From the records?

    It like Bojo saying Cummings breaking the lockdown doesn’t count move on,
    Or Jenrick going to a second home, move on, or Bojo’s Dad Travelling to an
    Essential Greek holiday.

    They seem to think they have magic cloak of invisibility and they just have to say
    Move on and it’s all forgotten.

    Does America need a stronger hand to negotiate a trade deal with Borisland?

    The UK is isolated now from the biggest trading market in the world.
    Claims of potential deals with Papua New Guinea and only 12,000 miles away
    Australia Boris is desperate to call anything he can get from Trump a great deal.

    As history proves the Tories will sell anything belonging to the UK to anyone.
    The monstrous US food is already on its way under the guise of not happening immediately.
    The NHS will gradually be under American control.

    A number of clinics and hospital contracts were already give to several companies like
    Branson’s Virgin Health. Did they get the work only because the owners were British?
    Even if so are the Americans smart enough and rich enough to buy them over.

  183. Marshall Adair says:

    Blogs within a blog … Well said, Julia. Someone else said it’s becoming a closed shop, right enough. And keep your chin up, Capella … Don’t let them put you off!

  184. Capella says:

    @ Ayeright 12.46 – just catching up on last night’s loony toons. Thx for the comment. You’ll be in the firing line for that!
    I’ll keep on calling it how I see it unless Stu says not – which he has done before.
    Ducks behind sofa 🙂

  185. Capella says:

    @ Marshall Adair – thx – appreciated. Now take cover – incoming flak!

    Peter Cook was phoned up by the palace and invited to a party with Prince Andrew. Looked up diary.
    “Sorry I can’t come. I see I’ll be watching television that evening.”

    One for BDTT.

  186. terence callachan says:

    Much speculation going on here,
    Remember this, Scotland is in the midst of a propaganda war , attacked every day by our neighbour england

    Englands westminster in my opinion is behind this whole saga , they consider Nicola Sturgeon a threat to their control of Scotland
    They hate Alex Salmond more and consider him to be a greater threat

    Nicola Sturgeon rarely makes direct negative or challenging comments about westminster BUT i have no doubt at all that she is firmly in support of scottish independence there is no way she would be putting up with the daily insults and troublemaking she endures from englands westminster and its lackeys if she were not so determined to see it through

    Alex Salmond always challenges westminster he has expertise in the ways habits and rules within that place

    I think we will find that AS and NS work together behind the scenes to combat what is the best propaganda unit in the world….westminster….
    The house of lords is full of people from other countries people with close ties and influence in countries around the world..handy when politicking

    It suits westminster to set people , groups , politicians in scotlands independence movement against each other

    When its all clarified i think we will see that englands westminster is behind it ALL

    Of course englands westminster love it when they see you speculating about purported wrongdoings of people in the scottish independence movement , they love it because they are behind it sniggering in the background

  187. @Capella,

    it`s not whether i agree or disagree with you it`s about respecting you and your right to say it,

    which if Humza has his way, freedom of speech will be a thing of the past,

    all to stop criticism of misogynists and their enablers.

  188. terence callachan says:

    Ahundredthidiot….you cannot be serious !

    Donald Trump is bonkers
    You look a fool when you praise him

    He hasnt gone to war with Iran….yet….

    You compare trump with H Clinton , why ? To justify your praise of trump ?
    Surely comparing trump with H Clinton is comparing like with like in global terms , neither is good for the safety of the world both are very capable of dropping thouands of tons of bombs on people around the world if it makes USA money

  189. Capella says:

    @ Scot Finlayson – I oppose the Hate Crime Bill as I’m sure I’ve said on WoS more than once. BTW the comments are open till 24th July. I think everyone with an interest in freedom of speech and protecting people’s right to speak out against the GRA reforms should make their views known.

    We can be certain TRA lobby groups will be flooding the Scot Gov with their opinions.

  190. robbo says:

    Ahundredthidiot says:
    2 July, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    hows the weather in yorkshire?

    I wouldn’t know,don’t live there.I live in bonnie, unlike you most probably..Crack on being a fannie.

    I see you have a mate in Joseph,who came on here all guns blazing saying i was an instigator,of what,feck knows. It didn’t take him long to start disrupting threads with absolute bollocks,just like you and ‘the dug’He’s just turned into a fannie like yourself .Not out for indy in any shape or form.

    Absolute useless trolls the 3 of you.

  191. mike cassidy says:

    Dave 6.21

    In criticising the Rev

    Got so tied up with the Woke pish you forgot the people who supported and funded your blog..

    Dave 6.35

    Im more concerned that this woke crap is undermining our ONLY chance to gain our Independence…

    I don’t think the Capellas have too much to worry about with that standard of trolling.

  192. robertknight says:


    You bring to into sharp relief the expression “they walk amongst us”.

    Caption to image…

    “Donald Trump and now-wife Melania appeared with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Davidoff Studios/Getty Images”

    Are Getty Images renowned anti-Trump campaigners? Are they noted peddlers of photoshopped stock? Would Trump not have sued their backsides if they were indeed placing such doctored images online?

    What next? You gonna tell us the world’s flat?

    Jog on, loser…

  193. robertknight says:


    One hell of a lot of cut’n’paste going on – according to you…

  194. CameronB Brodie says:

    So you think you can defend Scotland and become independent, by abandoning a respect for the rule-of-law? @9:03am

  195. Dan says:

    Young Micheal Gray continues to have a decent twitter feed worth keeping an eye on.

    Bit of a read for yer next cuppa (15mins) on A New Land Contract by Alastair Parvin

    I see pioneer of sporting a lockdown haircut for years prior to lockdown – Neil Oliver has been at it again…

  196. ahundredthidiot says:

    Robert Knight

    the internet is loaded with fake pics of trump with epstein – he isn’t going to waste his time suing them all. He has admitted to meeting the man at a party once – of which there are pictures.

    difference is this – you think that this makes Trump a paedo and prob choose to ignore the clear link with Clinton to paedo lolita island. – you wont find Trump on the passenger manifest.

    It’ll be funny if it all comes out – you may want to wish the earth is flat when you can no longer watch your favourite tom hanks movie without a feeling of revulsion……

    you are right though…..they do walk amongst us….paedos that is……don’t let your hatred of Trump cloud your judgement.

  197. Sensibledave says:


    It would be very impressive if the uk gov’ had pulled all the strings to create a civil war within the SNP.

    I’m inclined to believe though that the SNP have done it all on their own. In England, in reality, voters have had the choice of socialism, or the Conservative party. In Scotland, independence or no independence. That’s about it. People that want independence also have varying views on lots of other matters though .. and that has lead to the issues you now face.

    In order for the SNP to continue its success, it needs to find away of keeping the support of the likes of the Rev, whilst also having the likes of Mhairi Black as an MP. If it doesn’t then it will inevitably decline.

  198. callmedave says:

    I hear on big Auntie live news there that Prof David Starkey has been sacked from his post by a university in the antipodes for his remarks on the slavery issue.

    This was I was reading the Neil Oliver story in ‘The National’ of his admiration and support for the said ‘Starkey’.

    I await developments. 🙂


    In the paper shop as usual this morning wee queue of about 6 with two folk in….everyone was wearing a face covering, me too.

    Just an observation… not seen that before.

  199. CameronB Brodie says:

    I see Starkey’s indiscreet honesty has attracted support from among Scotland’s ‘yoon intelligentsia’. LMAO. 🙂

  200. Capella says:

    @ callmedave – interesting – both. Wearing a face mask is a secret sign of the Nicola Sturgeon Fan Club (NSFC). Don’t tell anybody. 🙂

  201. CameronB Brodie says:

    Of course, I’d long suspected Oliver was an ignorant fannybawz.

    Scandinavian Realism and
    Phenomenological Approaches
    to Statehood and General
    Custom in International Law

  202. cynicalHighlander says:

    An interesting evaluation of CoVid stats

  203. Capella says:

    Still following up the complaints procedure moral maze.

    Discovered that the previous Commissioner for Ethical Standards, therefore the one who should have been investigating the Alex Salmond complaints, was a Bill Thomson. Can’t find any info on him. But someone called John Golding felt the same and submitted a FOI to find out things. He asked if Bill Thomson was a Freemason. Answer NO.

  204. Willie says:

    Listened to the plummy BBC Royal Correspondent last night doing his very best to distance Prince Andrew from the fall out from the arrest of his friend Ghislaine Maxwell on child trafficking charges.

    Interesting however how in relation to the FBI request that Prince Andrew come to give a statement that our Royal Correspondent opined that Andrews lawyers duty was “ to protect him and the last thing they would do would be to allow him to be questioned by a sharp US lawyer ‘“

    And at a stroke, our Royal Correspondent revealed that Prince Andrew has something to hide. Why else would he not go and give a statement, help clear or convict a child abuser / trafficker.

    And today, the BBC and much of the mainstream internet media is story free about the Ghislaine Maxwell – Prince Andrew Development.

    The Royal Bag must have put out a three line whip to protect the hitherto Randy cum Air Miles Andy.

  205. Ruby says:

    Anyone remember the following?

    ’29th October 2017
    Human rights lawyer Aamer Anwar reports ‘catalogue of sexual harassment’ at Holyrood

    ‘He said: “It’s a catalogue of sexual harassment, stalking, social media abuse, sexual innuendos, verbal sexual abuse, touching, sexual assaults, requests for sex, cover-up, isolation and bullying.”

    A human rights lawyer says women at all levels of the Scottish Parliament have been subjected to sexual harassment.

    He added: “I have spoken to several individuals who have been subject to sexual harassment. This is not just a problem for one party. It is a problem for all parties.’

    What I find weird about the above is out of the ‘catalogue of sexual harassment’ all we’ve heard about is Mark MacDonald & Alex Salmond.

    Is what Aamer Anwar said true or false?

  206. Capella says:

    From the link in the article to the inews report in March 2018, Clare Haughey, who chaired the Ethics Committee at the time of Mark McDonald case, said:

    Clare Haughey said it had agreed to ask the Commissioner to investigate.

    We do not think it would be appropriate for the Committee to undertake its own investigation and there is no procedure or precedent for the Committee to do so,” she added.

    “We understand that due process must be followed and this will take time regardless of who carries out the investigation.

    “It is in no one’s interest that this process becomes drawn out. We are confident the Commissioner will recognise this.”

    She added that there were questions over whether the current code of conduct for MSPs was “fit for purpose” when dealing with complaints about sexual harassment.

    So in March 2018 there was no procedure or precedent for the Ethics Committee to investigate complaints against MSPs. The Ethics Commissioner was asked to do it – which is actually in the job remit of the Ethics Commissioner.

    When did this become the job of Leslie Evans?

  207. robbo says:

    Dan says:
    3 July, 2020 at 10:50 am

    Good wan Dan, on that first link the question was asked in comments.

    “Where was Magna Carta signed”?

    reply was

    “At the bottom”


  208. Robert Graham says:

    Looks like a square go

    in the Scottish Corner — Nicola the defender

    in the english Corner — Bawjaws Johnston the LIAR

    Referee for tonight’s event ALEX SALMOND (the problem for both)

    odds 2/1 alex – even money Nicola -100/30 Bawjaws

    Event Starts when Bawjaws gets out his kip

  209. Breeks says:

    I hadn’t seen this before… Great stuff from Carwyn Jones…

    I don’t know when the words were said, but the video was posted the week before Nicola Sturgeon sold out Scottish Sovereignty and rolled over for Scotland’s unconstitutional subjugation to have Brexit forced upon it.

    Carwyn Jones knows more about Scotland’s Constitution than Scotland’s FM.

  210. CameronB Brodie says:

    I hope this clip was the one you meant to post?

    By Carwyn Jones Clause 38 They are trying to enforce English law on Scotland & take away our rights.

  211. Robert Graham says:

    LATEST Odds
    Nicola now 2/1
    because of support from the LBC phone in audience agreeing with her about the one way Air Bridges spat looks like a Bridge too far for Bawjaws
    Alex now even money
    if he sits out tonight’s event
    out to 500/1 (suspected non runner)

  212. jfngw says:


    I’m thinking of making a NS face mask, just for the hell of it and to see some peoples brain explode.

  213. schrodingers cat says:

    re Ghislaine Maxwell

    the fbi have thrown the book at her, she will have no choice but to cut a deal

    it isnt just andy windsor who is sweating this morning, tories will tory after all 🙂

  214. schrodingers cat says:


    want one 🙂

  215. jfngw says:

    @CameronB Brodie

    They are joining the club, Starkey thinks Scots are inferior, unionists think Scotland is inferior, they are all happy together.

  216. CameronB Brodie says:


    The Natural Law as a Restraint Against Tyranny | Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

  217. mike cassidy says:


    Bill Thomson’s appointment

    You may want to read this.

    The SNP went on to produce a private report on McDonald, which was later sent to Bill Thomson, the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland.
    But the party last night failed to respond when we asked whether the allegations that involved Hepburn were ever included in that dossier.
    When Thomson published his own public report in May 2018, they were entirely absent.

    A new Commissioner was appointed in January 2019.

  218. robertknight says:



    I post a link to an image demonstrating the circles in which we all know scumbag Epstein and his moll moved, and the first thing you do is scream ‘fake news’, or more accurately, ‘fake photo’, simply because Trump also appears in it. You then try to lecture me about having my judgement clouded?


  219. jfngw says:

    ‘I can’t see me lovin’ nobody but you for all my life
    When you’re with me, baby, the skies will be blue for all my life’

    Happy Together

    I’ve been told this was written by Darren Grimes and Neil Oliver and dedicated to David Starkey

    Not sure how reliable my source was.

  220. schrodingers cat says:


    nicola rolled over?

    next you’ll be claiming she enjoyed getting butt fucked

    nicola and the snp have opposed brexit from the get go but now you want to turn the tables and say brexit is her fault and not the tories?

    we are coming to the crunch breeks and when holyrood is closed by boris and we no longer have anyone to bat for us, i dare say you will cheer

    but what will you do then? empty rhetoric is cheap

  221. CameronB Brodie says:

    The yoons are pretty much a small but vocal minority of bigots, racists, and hard-core right wingers now. Subsequently, the BBC in Scotland are probably sweating bricks. 😉


    This is the edited text of the annual Lord Cooke of Thorndon Lecture, delivered at the Victoria University of Wellington Law School on 1 December 2005.


    A few years ago, a new subject emerged on the hot list of legal academe – unwritten constitutional principles. It was greeted with interest and optimism by some, but puzzlement and scepticism by others. What were these principles? Was the phrase “unwritten constitutional principles” not an oxymoron, given that constitutions are generally understood to be written documents? And if one surmounts these difficulties, how and by whom are these socalled unwritten constitutional principles to be discovered?

    The judges, you say? But what gives the judges the right to set forth constitutional principles capable of invalidating laws and executive acts, when Parliament has not seen fit to set these principles out in writing in the nation’s constitution?

    Yet despite these inauspicious murmurs, the subject has engaged judges, parliamentarians and academics in countries as far flung as Israel, Australia and the United States. It has been debated both in countries that have written constitutions and countries that do not. In fact, many political scientists and legal scholars observe that participation in the “rights revolution” may be less about the precise wording of constitutional texts – or even about bills of rights at all – but instead a reflection of a certain kind of supportive legal and political culture.1

    Whatever the cause, it is certainly clear that the post-Second World War period can properly be called the “age of rights”.2 Clearly something is going on here? something that cannot be dismissed with a wave of the judicial hand. Tonight I would like to explore that question. Hence the title of my address: “Unwritten Constitutional Principles: What is Going On?”,-december-2006/mclachlin.pdf

  222. Joseph says:


    Fuckin hell,,, started on the vino Early I see.

    Troll hunter General.

    How about bringing something relevant to the table dick heed

    Usual Sturgeon apologists

    Liz g

    What a fuckin shower

    Are you the “leader aff” robbo?

    A gang of clowns every one of you.

    I told you before robbo, try spending a couple of pounds more and get off of that
    Cheap Eldee.

    You really are one pain in the arse when you are on one of your benders robbo.

    Now shuffle along ya roaster and annoy some other poor bastard.

  223. Capella says:

    @ jfngw – do you have an online store? Where can I get my Nicola Sturgeon face mask in Burbank?- as Frank Zappa never said.

    @ Mike cassidy – great find – that’s my lunch time reading sorted.
    @ Ruby – Hi – more material!

    Questions questions questions, flooding into the mind of the concerned young person today. As Frank Zappa did say (Call Any Vegetable)

  224. CameronB Brodie says:

    How about toning your antagonism down to say 7 or 8, and possibly adding some insight?

  225. schrodingers cat says:


    you want the rev to redesign the wordpress platform to include a Big Red Button?

    wow, no small task even for the entire ms developement team, let alone a computer games reviewer,

    thing is, there is already a block button on yer maw’s pc it looks like this !

  226. North chiel says:

    The FM in her briefing outline the reasons why her government wants to consider carefully “ airbridges” with countries with higher infection rates than Scotland . However , she states that Covid infection rates in England is five times higher than Scotland ? Perhaps I am missing something here. ?

  227. jfngw says:

    @CameronB Brodie

    Cameron, it was a joke, don’t always take things so seriously.

  228. jfngw says:


    I think my skills in making these might disappoint you. Where is Donna Babbington (hope I’ve spelt her name correctly) when you need her.

  229. CameronB Brodie says:

    No problems mate, I’m just reveling in my re-connection with the law. 🙂

  230. Allium says:

    Its a tawdry business, I do hope AS is able to shed some sunlight on it.

    Saw some speculation on twitter that Alyn Smith might throw his hat in to replace Kirsty Blackman. Would be amazed if he is not receiving great encouragement from the woke faction to do so.

  231. Willie says:

    Just read an interesting piece in the National Geographic about analysis from Texas University.

    Seems that in terms of infection – mortality COVID 19 is 50 to a 100 times more lethal than seasonal flu with :

    – an overall death rate of 1.46%
    – an over 75 death rate of 13.85%.

    And so if it were possible that 100% of the circa 79m folks in the UK were to be infected then the death rates would be absolutely horrendous. ( circa 1,000,000 )

    But of course one hundred percent infection is unlikely, R naught would fall as the infections cranked up and herd immunity increased. However, without shielding and distancing, these statistics reveal just how devastating COVID 19 could be if the spread was left unchecked.

    The USA are most certainly beginning to know that now as their medical services swamp with seriously ill and dying patients. The Land of the Free? Well not for those getting boxed up whilst the madman plays golf.

    And it could have been similar here if lockdown had not been introduced in a panic back its the end of February.

    But worry not, the cavalier Tory plans to get us all back to business drinking beer in pubs and clubs, might just be the conditions to bring along wave two.

    And, just think of the economic benefit of the 13.85 or whatever it is here percentage of older folk mortality. That’ll cut the pension bill.

  232. Republicofscotland says:

    The shambolic (I think that’s what Sturgeon called it at her briefing) British governments chopping and changing of their airbridges plans, leaves Scotland open to risks of greater infection.

    The compliant unionist media, are quick to have a go at Sturgeon, for doing what’s she’s supposed to do which protect the Scottish public from a second spike of Covid-19.

    If Johnson wants to emulate Bolsonaro or Trump in handling this virus then that’s his decision, however Scotland should not be dragged along in his half thought out plans.

    This is yet another clear illustration as to why Scotland must become an independent country.

  233. robbo says:

    Why folk bother with twitter is beyond me.

  234. Dogbiscuit says:

    Leicester experiment to test the public’s reaction to rolling ‘lockdown’ The public seem fine about it so you are becoming institutionalised.The ‘Lockdown’ precedent has been set .You accept . You are effectively prisoners for life.
    To all SNP shills your leader is a rotten little fascist who bullies her own people. She carries out Tory instructions .Whats the point of her?
    The lack of any desire for Independence runs deep in the SNP. Staying in the party betrays your loyalties. You would be quicker starting your own party of Independence.

  235. CameronB Brodie says:

    I might appear deadly serious, and I do take constitutional justice very seriously. I’m actually in great spirits though, as I’m re-connecting to a perspective that British nationalism simply can not withstand. 🙂

    Natural Law and Justice

    The argument is that the philosophy of natural law and contemporary theories about the nature of justice are both efforts to make sense of the fundamental paradox of the human experiences of individual freedom and responsibility in a causally determined universe.

    The natural law tradition is traced from its origins in Greek speculation through its classic Christian statement by Thomas Aquinas. How the social contract theorists adapted the idea of natural law to provide for political obligation in civil society is shown, as well as how the idea was transformed in Kant’s account of human freedom.

    The historical narrative is brought to the present with a discussion of the contemporary debate between natural law and legal positivism, including particularly the natural law theories of Finnis, Richards, and Dworkin. The approach of modern political philosophy is then adopted to develop the idea of justice as a union of the distinct ideas of desert and entitlement.

    Liberty and equality are shown to be the political analogues of desert and entitlement and both pairs to be the normative equivalents of freedom and cause. The theories of justice of Rawls and Nozick as well as the communitarian theory of MacIntyre and Sandel are considered. The conclusion unifies the debates about natural law and justice as parallel efforts to better understand the human condition.

  236. Dogbiscuit says:

    Why are you idiots buying this ‘second spike ‘ propaganda? There’s no evidence for it.

  237. callmedave says:

    I wonder, hearing the FM, about green, amber and red codes given by the WM-Gov for countries.

    What designated colour the UK is?

    Further to that what would be the designated colour for say England or Scotland given that the risk in England is said to be 5 times higher.

    Also the FM has,twice now, (for the purpose of the questioners at the daily update)… that any international flight landing in England which has people intending then to travel on to Scotland the quarantine conditions will apply.

    Not may apply…. will apply. 🙂

    Which shoots down my comment above earlier, for which I am happy to hear.

  238. defo says:

    Shambolic it was RoS. Just heard the snip on R4.
    I would have preferred omni-shambles, for the added ‘in’ joke, but that will do nicely.
    Now for the imperial’s reaction.

  239. defo says:

    “Another government’s shambolic decision making process “

  240. jfngw says:


    I understand your objection
    I grant you the problem’s not small
    But if you could see her through my eyes
    She wouldn’t look British at all.

  241. Republicofscotland says:

    So the UK Treasury tweeted that pubs and cafes are opening on the 4th of July, but yet again like previous Boris Johnsons mixed messages, they failed to state that it was only in England that they were opening, when asked why the failed to state that, the Treasury refused to respond.

    It looks at first glance as though the British government deliberately put out confusing and mixed messages during this pandemic, possibly in a bid to confuse the citizens of the other nations that make up the UK.

    Another reason why Scotland needs to be independent.

  242. ahundredthidiot says:


    you cant have a second wave if you didn’t have a first one.

    All managed within business as usual, no worse than a bad seasonal flu. …nasty wee virus , yes, pandemic, no.

    But its easier to fool a man than convince him he’s been fooled.

  243. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers Cat @ 12.24pm
    On your reply to Breeks…
    Nicola did roll over. Her tactics were all wrong. She shouldn’t have tried to stop Brexit for the whole UK (i.e. England and Wales who voted for it). She should have only concentrated on Scotland – that was her responsibility.

    That being – pushing hard on delivering an indyref2 (while still in the EU) to honour the mandate of Scotland’s 62% result of the EU ref (remember the manifesto pledge????). She ballsed it up plain and simple. And now we’re out despite all Blackford’s empty words.

    Who won out of this – NI of course, Gibralter. Where was Scotland in the mix – nowhere.

    The cold hard truth is the EU don’t care – they want their access to the fishing grounds etc. Yes, they made positive sounds to a Scottish referendum but they ain’t gonna make it happen for us – that was up to us. And look where we are – too cautious to make a move.

    The EU would most certainly negotiate with us as an independent accession country to re-enter the EU and have access to our resources / or they negotiate with the UK where our resources are sold off to win concessions on a trade deal. Either way the EU will get what it wants.

    Please don’t think the EU will play playground defender to the playground bully. They hold all the cards and it’s a win-win for them either way. It’s up to us – the EU is keeping the door unlocked but we need to turn the key.

    Our time is fast running out to do anything towards achieving independence – i.e. months and counting down. Coz when we’re out of the EU who knows what boris / cummings have in store.

  244. Republicofscotland says:

    Meanwhile Tory minister Steven Barclay, Chief secretary to the Treasury, point blank refuses, and has already twice rejected invitations to visit Holyrood to answer some questions that need clearing up.

    Barclay said I don’t need to visit Edinburgh, I’m accountable to the UK parliament. Interesting in a giant snub, and a sign that the Tory branch office in Scotland is seen as insignificant South of the border, it was Michelle Ballantyne a Scots Tory MSP who invited him up to Holyrood.

    Just another on of the countless reasons why we need to become an independent nation.

  245. jfngw says:


    Your certainly living up to your name, you don’t even seem to understand what pandemic means (you don’t have to die, there’s a clue). Are there 99 more below you or are they above, is it a sort of league table or more like Pointless were 100 is the person who is clueless.

  246. Scozzie says:

    I should clarify – out with no deal on 1st Jan – who knows what Boris / cummings has in store

  247. jfngw says:

    Ghislaine Maxwell house is called ‘Tucked Away’, it’s close anyway, stonemason obviously misread it.

  248. Republicofscotland says:

    It would appear that no matter what NTS president Neil Oliver says the NTS will back him. Time I think for the Scottish government to create a body to take over from the NTS, which is a independent charity.

  249. Willie Hogg says:

    Toujours Charlie

  250. Joseph says:

    Can B

    I don’t think you are in any position to preach to ANYBODY about the quality or content of their posts

    Seriously,,, you take up about 50% of all the posts on every thread the Rev puts up.

    I have never told you to see a doctor about your ongoing mental health problems,,,so don’t get involved in my posts,,,,know whit a mean wee man?

  251. jfngw says:

    Now that I can travel more than 5 miles, its pishing with rain, who would have thought that could happen.

  252. Republicofscotland says:

    James Doran MSP for Cathcart, who said he would stand down at next years elections has changed his mind. The 67 year old wants to be considered for reselection next year.

    Meanwhile the SNP’s new deputy leader at Westminster will be revealed on Wednesday Philippa Whitford, has been approach for the vacancy but she doesn’t seem that keen on the position.

    Others jockeying for the position are Mhairi Black, Joanna Cherry and Alison Thewliss. Kirsty Blackman stood down from the post to focus on family and her constituency.

  253. schrodingers cat says:

    Scozzie says:
    Nicola did roll over. Her tactics were all wrong.
    so what should she have done??
    she has no army to command,

    seriously, i understand why people are pissed off at being dragged out of the eu, i am too, but what does nicola actually do when told no by wm?

    she stopped pursuing indyref2 when the voters of scotland only gave her 38% of the vote in 2017

    if im angry at anyone its the people of scotland. not nicola

    i am presently seeing a few tweets from folk saying bojo is planning to close holyrood in jan after we leave.

    so when the snp is neutered and we have no one left to bat for us, who will you bitch about then? more’s the point,
    what will YOU do?

  254. schrodingers cat says:


    when i ask, what will you do or what nicola could have done, i meant concrete examples, not vague statements, real tangible actions

  255. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers Cat @ 1.46pm
    FFS…. wanna know why the SNP got 38% in 2017…. Coz they said that election was not about independence!!! That’s when I gave up my membership and almost 500,000 peeps didn’t turn out to vote for them. You reap what you sow.

    Don’t claim to be a party to deliver independence and then say in an election it’s not about independence. She’s a devolutionist and nothing more.

  256. schrodingers cat says:

    Who won out of this – NI of course, Gibralter. Where was Scotland in the mix – nowhere.

    and thats nicolas fault?

    gie yer head a wobble scozzie, this happened because of the tories in wm. fact

    what should she have done when they said no? what could she have done?

  257. Scozzie says:

    Schrondinger Cat @ 1.56pm
    Of course it’s Nicola’s fault. She chose the wrong tactic.

    It should never have been about trying to keep all of the UK in the EU (England / wales made their decision) we made a different one.

    That should have been her green light to run a referendum off the back of the EU vote. She bottled it (despite her manifesto claim that that would be the trigger).

    Stop using WM as a default position for no action. We all agree the Scottish people are sovereign – or do you not?

  258. schrodingers cat says:

    Scozzie says:
    FFS…. wanna know why the SNP got 38% in 2017… Coz they said that election was not about independence!!!

    true, it wasnt a vote for independence, it was a vote in support for indyref2. same as it always was.

    and for whatever reason the voters didnt show for, the fact remains, they didnt show up

    you left the snp, bravo, what have YOU done since? and when the snp is closed down, what will YOU do then?

  259. schrodingers cat says:


    we need a s30 to hold indyref2 otherwise it would descend into a fiasco. the unionist controlled councils would simply ignore holyrood

    not clever

  260. callmedave says:

    More Starkey fall out:

    Fitzwilliam College, at Cambridge University, has announced it has “accepted the resignation of historian David Starkey from his honorary fellowship with immediate effect”.

    The college said: “Our student and academic bodies are diverse and welcoming to all. We do not tolerate racism.”

    His comments on slavery were criticised on Thursday for being racist.

  261. Dan says:

    OK, rather than endless posts bickering on what hasn’t been done, how about we move discussion on to what actually can be done now and in the near future.
    Hopefully that will produce some proper coherent productive stuff, and put an end to this rather tedious argy bargy.

  262. schrodingers cat says:


    the people of scotland are sovereign so what do you do when bojo says no?

    proposing that the whole of the uk stayed in the cu/sm and if not possible for scotland to stay, was a politic statement, a tactic if you wish, not targeted at you, but a no voters who voted remain

    hint, it worked, support for the snp and indy is at 54%

    why do you think bojo is planning to close down holyrood

  263. CameronB Brodie says:

    “I have never told you to see a doctor about your ongoing mental health problems,,,so don’t get involved in my posts,,,,know whit a mean wee man?”

    My mental health issues are currently fine and dandy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with my rationality or sanity, I suffer from PTSD and depression. The fact that you think yourself competent to judge my mental health across t’internet, does says a lot about your perspective. It is aslo suggestive of your true intent.

    I suggest you pay more attention to the legal and philosophical insight I’m offering. That way you might not come across as a bit unhinged yourself. Just saying, and mind who you point and accuse of being less worthy than yourself. Mkay!


  264. robbo says:

    Joseph says:
    3 July, 2020 at 12:30 pm

    Carry on ya clown.No one understands your dribble.

  265. schrodingers cat says:

    ok dan

    i fear we wont get to the next he in 2021 without bojo closing holyrood.

    but even if we do, and the polls show a 50%+ victory in the constituency vote (plus the possible rise of an indy list party becoming the main opposition)

    and bojo still says no?

    will scozzie and others here still blame the snp?

    me personally, if such a thing happens, it wont just put political tactics on the back burner, it will shelve politics in scotland completely.

    what will be the point of voting for any political party in scotland?

  266. Scozzie says:

    SC @ 2.09PM
    No you’re not being clever – you’re buying into the S30 dead end – gold standard pish. We’re either sovereign or we’re not.

    And as for the 2017 GE – Nicola was on record saying it was not about independence – it was the woefully insipid ‘Stronger for Scotland’ manta for the WM election. Which just about pisses me off more than when I see ‘HOPE’ on the lectern at the SNP conferences.
    Grow a bloody pair and get on with the job SNP.

    So who are you going to cry to when the SNP give away all our resources / 24 devolved powers etc while they chase a non existent gold standard to a fucking mentalist WM government run by Boris and Cummings.

    We need to take the fight into the ring through hail or high water. Nicola does not have the balls to do that – she’s had 6 years of golden opportunities and she’s be shat on from a great height every time – due to her over cautious approach.

    SC you sound just like the ‘one more mandate’ brigade of old Wingers who’ve deflected to WGD.

  267. schrodingers cat says:


    you are big on rhetoric but you have still failed to say what you would have actually done or what you think we sould do now!

  268. schrodingers cat says:

    We need to take the fight into the ring through hail or high water.

    fine, how?

  269. Ottomanboi says:

    The only way to rid ourselves of this social oppressive disease aka lockdown syndrome is for those not aflicted by the sinister malaise to disobey. In my occasional dip into worldwide news media authority seems now to be wearing a little hitler mask. There seem all kinds of reasons why pre Covid style social mixing may be controlled or limited or simply curtailed until that nasty bug finally goes away. In other words not very likely because petty functionaries armed with very little knowledge have been given a power they do not intend to lightly relinquish.
    The irrational fear of death has never been so malevolently deployed by the bureaucratic ‘mind’.

  270. schrodingers cat says:

    you’re buying into the S30 dead end – gold standard pish. We’re either sovereign or we’re not.

    without a s30, the councils wont run indyref2, nothing to do with standards, gold or otherwise, the indyref2 just wont happen.

    and yes we are soveriegn, but bojo says no

    what you gonna do about it?

    you rail about the the poor political campaign methods, fair enough, rather than stronger for scotland id prefer fuck bojo on the lectern.

    but you fail to realise that the political road map is about to run out,

  271. schrodingers cat says:


    still no details of what you actually think should be done

  272. Republicofscotland says:

    As Boris Johnson rattles his sabre in the direction of China, over China’s new strict approach towards Hong Kong, a couple of things struck me. One of them being that Johnson has invited 3 million Hong Kongers to move to the UK, a move that surely Chinese President Xi Jingping would be glad to see, getting rid of 3 million Hong Kong based dissidents from Hong Kong would be a win, win situation for Jingpin.

    Secondly it was the same Tory party albeit with a different leader, John Major, with the support of Tony Blair, who refused the same rights to Hong Kongers in 1997 before the hand over of Hong Kong to China.

    Finally as Johnson gears up to face down China (it didn’t go to well for Australia, who faced down China over the virus, China stopped buying Australian beef and lumped huge tariffs on its wheat produce) including taking 3 million Hong Kongers, his government (HO) is currently stopping anyone (after Brexit) coming to the UK who doesn’t earn the £25,500 threshold, and self employed people will not be able to migrate. This policy will be particularly damaging to Scotland.

  273. schrodingers cat says:

    We’re either sovereign or we’re not.

    Grow a bloody pair and get on with the job SNP.

    We need to take the fight into the ring through hail or high water. Nicola does not have the balls to do that

    Of course it’s Nicola’s fault. She chose the wrong tactic.

    That being – pushing hard on delivering an indyref2

    honour the mandate of Scotland’s 62% result of the EU ref

    now we’re out despite all Blackford’s empty words.

    The cold hard truth is the EU don’t care

    And look where we are – too cautious to make a move.

    Our time is fast running out to do anything towards achieving independence


    or, to put it another way, in the grand scheme of things, taking into account all possible unresolved unknowables, including the unknowable unknowables, when the opportunity arises, there will be opportunities for opportunists,

  274. Bob Mack says:

    Still laughing here at the probable English public reaction to potentially 3 million Chinese arriving at Heathrow.

    They hate Johnny foreigner. I can see revolution on the cards.

    Oh please let it happen.

  275. CameronB Brodie says:

    Do you still support right-wing ideology that denies the significance of human biology? Asking on behalf of public health. 🙂

  276. Bob Mack says:


    I have never, ever, heard Nicola Sturgeon being remotely described by anybody as an opportunist.

  277. schrodingers cat says:

    empty rhetoric costs nothing

  278. schrodingers cat says:

    @boab 🙂

  279. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers cat @ 2.23pm
    After the 62% EU ref that should have been Nicola’s green light – fighting for her manifesto pledge.

    Why do you think councils won’t participate – it’s one person one vote. Surely if they’re wanting to stay in the UK they’ll want to maximise their vote? Don’t vote = don’t count.

    Don’t get me wrong I’m all for a plebiscite 2021 HR election on independence (I advocated for that back in 2018 when it looked like a referendum was pie in the sky and got ridiculed by old wingers) – but definitely not for another ‘mandate’ but to declare independence.

    I’m at the stage I don’t care how it’s done – just get it done.

  280. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    Sorry for butting in, but this carries on from our previous encounters.

    “without a s30, the councils wont run indyref2, nothing to do with standards, gold or otherwise, the indyref2 just wont happen.”

    So you’re lack of legal understanding leads your argument to suggest Scotland should participate in undermining Treaty law?

    “and yes we are soveriegn, but bojo says no

    what you gonna do about it?”

    Defend the rule-of-law, through recourse to substantive law, rather than the pseudo-legality of British constitutional dogma.

    “you rail about the the poor political campaign methods, fair enough, rather than stronger for scotland id prefer fuck bojo on the lectern.

    but you fail to realise that the political road map is about to run out,”

    No thanks to a profound legal parochialism that appears to afflict certain elements of those supposed to be looking out for Scotland’s best interests.

  281. Breeks says:

    Scozzie says:
    3 July, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    …. wanna know why the SNP got 38% in 2017…. Coz they said that election was not about independence!!! That’s when I gave up my membership and almost 500,000 peeps didn’t turn out to vote for them.

    I agree. The vote slumped because the SNP were caught napping, asleep at the wheel, while the Tories executed their long planned their dark money insurrection to disrupt the strong SNP majorities at Holyrood and Westminster. Win, lose, or draw, the result was always going to be promoted as Ruth Davidson driving the SNP into retreat. The Tories knew what they were doing and got exactly what they paid for, and mugged the SNP like they were amateurs.

    The only battle honour Theresa May has to show for her time as PM is her solitary success bottling up Scotland and locking it away in a cupboard while she ploughed her joyless and talentless way through Brexit, leaving Scotland with the dubious distinction of the only interested faction throughout the entire Brexit debacle which couldn’t out-negotiate the arch-duff negotiators of the UK Tory Government. “Now is not the time”, and the SNP folded up like a packet of crisps.

    The nagging doubt is whether the SNP’s lacklustre disinterest in fighting that election was just a random bonus for the planned Tory resurrection, rank incompetence, or whether there was any degree of complicity with the dark money conspiracy, with some components of the SNP only too eager to “take the heat“ out of the “unmentionable” Independence. That was unthinkable at the time of course, and yet there’s a common “Get Salmond” theme if you care to look more closely… but it’s just conjecture. There’s a bad smell, but I have no evidence.

    I would say too, while Theresa May might have been in the charge, meh… something doesn’t ring true. She wasn’t any great thinker. The Dark Money General Election was the British Establishment at work.

    The SNP lost 500,00 votes, which is hardly surprising given the diet of anaesthesia they’d been fed month after month. However, by the time of Theresa May’s “snap” General Election, whatever Salmond had started, Sturgeon had pretty well killed off, and Scotland was already set on it’s downward trajectory out of Europe.

    There’s a mighty pungent stink to all of this.

    And don’t get me started on the disgraceful abandonment of Scotland’s sovereign Constitution….

  282. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    The 3 million Chinese arriving at Heathrow will be required minimum wage zero hours fodder now that Brexit Greater England has decimated the EU Seasonal and Migrant labour (unless they plan to remove all benefits from the Racist Brexiteers on welfare and put them to work).

  283. susan says:

    Of course the councils won’t cooperate. Unless they are forced to by WESTMINSTER. We’re screwed if we play by WM rules. We have polls that support independence so we should make the HE a plebiscitery election.

  284. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers Cate @ 2.247pm
    Unknowable unknowables – well that’s just an excuse for total suspended animation. And nothing can or ever should be done. In politics we need leaders than can lead – that includes taking calculated risks. IMO there’s been plenty opportunities for calculated risks but I’ve not seen anything from the SNP:
    24 devolved powers taken back to WM – roll over
    out of EU – roll over
    TM says ‘now is not the time’ – roll over
    Boris says no – roll over

    WheN have we been on the offensive in the last 6 years?

  285. schrodingers cat says:

    Scozzie says:

    Why do you think councils won’t participate – it’s one person one vote. Surely if they’re wanting to stay in the UK they’ll want to maximise their vote? Don’t vote = don’t count.


    because i know personally a fair few councillors both snp and unionist who have informed me that is exactly what they will do if holyrood calls for indyref2 without a s30


    Don’t get me wrong I’m all for a plebiscite 2021 HR election on independence

    that is a proper suggestion,
    my concern is we wont get to may2021 without bojo shutting it down. i think nicola should seriously consider wrong footing bojo and bringing the election forward before bojo can manufacture a crisis and an excuse to shut holyrood

    we need a proper plebicite with 50%+ support for indy result for what comes next

  286. liz says:

    Correct Breeks.

    NS is riding high in the polls because she’s better than Boris, jeezo, next doors cat would be better than Boris.

    I agree that she should be stopping the daily half hour sermon. Bet she can’t believe her luck, it is political.
    There are 6 cases of Covid in ICU and just over 400 in hospital, in the whole of Scotland.

    The wear the face masks, is a stunt. The infection spread is now so low.
    The only thing that will mess it up, is uncontrolled travel from England.
    Note, NS can never say no to England.

    I can’t decide if it’s the SPADs who’re all over twitter, saying wear a mask for Nicola and asking if it’s OK for their 12 year old to play with his pals, because he’ crying in his bedroom, or if many people are really that feeble minded, and can’t think for themselves.

    I hope Alex S has a plan and delivers it soon

  287. ahundredthidiot says:

    Facemasks, ha, the same sheep will make excuses for lining up for their mandatory jab – which of course they will agree with, the MSM says so, and why wouldnt you take it?? – and then they’ll make excuses for the chip they want to put in you to track everyone for ‘our safety’ – and the same people will make excuses.

    meanwhile cancel culture runs rabid….books will be burned….again…..history repeats.

    people will say ‘how did that start’ and the response will be ‘when people started doing what government ministers advise/recommend’ without actually deploying any sort of critical thinking.

    Facemask wearers are nazis – pure and simple – good little nazis.

    Only the Law should stand and even that should be queried to death – everything else, is the road to hell.

  288. CameronB Brodie says:

    You show a disgraceful disregard for history and a shameful lack of empathy for the cultural memory of real genocide. Just get back in the sea where you belong.

  289. schrodingers cat says:


    politics is like a game of chess, eg nicola formally requested a s30, treeza said “no the now” she didnt say no, in fact before the 30 day time period for a formal reply to nicola elapsed, treeza called a ge!!

    thats a pretty big deal and a dramatic way to avoid responding officially to nicolas s30 request?

    All moves that have happened are part of this political chess match but all political chess matches have an end game, we are approaching ours.

    either bojo accepts our demand for indy, or he parks tanks outside holyrood

    my previous post was about ensuring we do get another holyrood election and ensure we have a vote with 50%+ support for indy.

    because when the chess match ends and the political route to indy runs out, words such as “offensive” will cease to be rhetorical adjectives and become actual nouns

  290. schrodingers cat says:


    you’re aware that the unknowable unknowables was an example of empty rhetoric and me just being facetious?

  291. jfngw says:

    It depends on how you see the 2017 election, was it to increase the Tory majority they already had, or try and stop the Scottish referendum. It failed in the first and succeeded in the second. As in 2014 the Scots gave WM the benefit of the doubt they were interested in having an orderly EU exit with a trade deal. They also knew we would need to apply to the EU to rejoin as an independent country.

    As in 2014 the Scots bottled it, they chose what they saw as the safety of WM. None of this is Westminster fault, we are still in the union because of the votes in Scotland.

  292. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    Are you not simply asking us to ignore the huge Brexit shaped elephant, that completely undoes the moral legal substance of British constitutionalism?

  293. schrodingers cat says:


    no, im saying you wont be able to ignore the tank shaped tank when it parks on your lawn

  294. Fireproofjim says:

    Usual anti-vaccine nonsense from ahundrethidiot.
    My wife and I have been happily taking the flu vaccine since we were sixty five (some years ago), and never a sniffle since.
    If a vaccine is developed against CV19 then we will happily take that too.
    Fools like ahundrethidiot would have condemned the world to continuing epidemics of smallpox, typhoid, cholera, diphtheria, polio, measles and a hundred other diseases which are now eliminated or greatly reduced thanks to vaccination. Some crazy religious fanatics in Afghanistan and Pakistan have prevented vaccination, resulting in the return of diseases which should now be extinct in these countries.
    Ahundrethidiot appears to be of the same mind.

  295. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers Cat @ pm
    I know fine well politics is a game of chess, I spent 15 years in the civil service.

    My point is you take the golden opportunties that fall you way. The SNP have played safe at every turn of the game of chess. That’s not how you play politics or chess.

    Nicola has driven us up a dead end with her gold standard. You tell me – has she given any hint of deviating from her gold standard route? WM knows her every move on the chess board.

    I hope to be surprised but the clock is ticking down.

  296. schrodingers cat says:


    i hope you can fart out natural law shaped charges fast enough to repell them 🙂

  297. jfngw says:

    Some on here seem more upset about face masks and lockdown than they do about independence, I wonder how that could be?

  298. CameronB Brodie says:

    sorry….that completely undoes the legal moral substance of British constitutionalism?

    The Cambridge Law Journal

  299. ALANM says:

    I keep coming back to wings as it’s the only place I know where you’re always assured of a brand of journalism which does exactly what it says on the tin, cuts through all the crap and gets straight to the point without any fannying around.

    Once again Stu has come up trumps with yet another insightful analysis into how absolute power corrupts absolutely. This sort of writing simply can’t be found anywhere else. More power to your keyboard.

  300. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    If ignorance was a virtue, you would be a saint. However, it’s not. In fact, hostility to knowledge is not indicative of an open personality. Just saying. 😉

  301. North chiel says:

    Agree with “Susan @0303 pm “ of the need to make the Holyrood election ( whilst we still have Holyrood) an “ Independence” election in the continuing absence of a section 30 “ agreement” .
    Is the FM now carefully choosing “ her ground” ( Public Health) to commence battle? I note that no journalist asked her the “elephant in the room“ question of “ cross border” travel ( Trains , planes & automobiles / great movie by the way) between Scotland and England ( where infection rates are presently 5 times higher than in Scotland . What would be the greater risk to increasing infection rates in Scotland all cross border “ tourist travel “ or all air arrivals to Scottish airports ?

  302. jfngw says:

    @schrodingers cat

    I get the impression some think we are more sophisticated now and the world would be outrage if Westminster used force, as they always have. They wouldn’t repeat what they did in Ireland just over 100 years ago, the UN would condemn them. They would and they wouldn’t care what the UN thought, they have a veto.

    Westminster have never given independence willingly, it has always been a financial decision, can they afford to defend what they see as their property. The disadvantage we have is they don’t even need boats.

  303. schrodingers cat says:


    the whole point about political chess is to avoid face offs, stalemate etc

    lets face it, brinkmanship involving a pm calling a ge, it doesnt get any bigger.

    but both sides have run out of ammunition. there is limited movement for both sides and no way to avoid the face off.

    bizzare that we should come to this point in the middle of a pandemic and i think the virus is the only thing stopping bojo making his move.

    thats why i think nicola should bring forward the holyrood election before he can. it will be her last throw of the dice

  304. schrodingers cat says:

    Scozzie says:
    I know fine well politics is a game of chess, I spent 15 years in the civil service.


    good, i spent 6 years in the army so perhaps my skill set may be more useful in the very near future

  305. jfngw says:

    Have we have reached ultimate genderwoowoo

  306. schrodingers cat says:


    exactly, i served in the un blue beret forces, i wouldnt piss on the un if it were on fire.

    i certainly would bet the house on them coming to our rescue. they wont

  307. callmedave says:

    The number of deaths involving Covid-19 in the UK has passed 55,000, according to the latest available data.
    Here’s how that figure was reached:

    826 deaths involving Covid-19 had occurred in Northern Ireland up to June 26 (and had been registered up to July 1)

    4,155 deaths involving Covid-19 had been registered in Scotland up to June 28

    49,610 deaths involving Covid-19 had occurred in England and Wales up to June 19 (and had been registered by June 27)

    Together, these figures mean that so far 54,591 deaths have been registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, including suspected cases

    In addition, a further 451 deaths have occurred in England and Wales since June 20, while a further four have taken place in Northern Ireland since June 27

    Added together with the number of registered deaths, this means the overall Covid-19 death toll for the UK is now just over 55,000, at 55,046

  308. vlad (not that one) says:

    jfngw @15:53
    Spot on.

  309. schrodingers cat says:


    You tell me – has she given any hint of deviating from her gold standard route? WM knows her every move on the chess board.

    well pete wishart published a piece a few days ago suggesting a plan b. along with all the other stuff about asking the eu for a s30?? point one in the plan was turning the next he into a plebicite on indy.

    but if i were nicola and planned to do that, i’d call the election, start the campaign and wait until all the other parties had published their manifestos before i announce it

  310. CameronB Brodie says:

    Yes, that was peek genderwoowoo. The colourful individual was pointing towards a recognisable understanding of reality, but then the logic went a bit Pete Tong, and the cultural significance given to the human genome appeared to get trampled all over. I’ll go and look out some biological anthropology if folks aren’t sufficiently convinced that biology counts. 😉

    Introduction: The Possibilities of Feminist Quantum Thinking

  311. CameronB Brodie says:

    Here’s s good way of countering genderwoowoo.

    Meeting the Universe Halfway
    Quantum Physics and the Entanglement of Matter and Meaning

  312. schrodingers cat says:

    very helpful 🙂

    “Many of the terms introduced and developed by Barad, such as ‘intra-action’, ‘diffraction’ and ‘agential realism’ have shifted the standard metrics of knowledge production and her theories have inspired animated discussion in emerging critical strands as varied as the new materialism in feminism, object oriented ontology, post- and transhumanism, speculative realism, environmental and digital humanities, among others. In a critical climate that is becoming increasingly ‘Baradian’, this special issue on the ‘Quantum Possibilities’ of Barad’s work does not merely aim to reflect the engagements currently being made within these fields, but extends Barad’s ethos of continually rethinking our critical concepts and methodologies “without taking these distinctions to be foundational or holding them in place” (Barad, “Nature’s Queer Performativity” 124). Creating ‘diffractive’, or new ‘quantum level’ means of reflecting on, and engaging with Barad’s work, the essays collected here stake out a new set of directions for their wide array of disciplinary identities.”

    i feel dumber for reading that

  313. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers Cat 4.02@pm
    We have something in common – I dealt with the UN while in the civil service and I agree they’re as corrupt as any government / under the influence of the countries who fund the $$$$.

  314. Scozzie says:

    Still don’t agree with your SNP stance though 🙂

  315. jfngw says:


    Another discrepancy is the difference in excess deaths and covid deaths. In Scotland it is 194, in England and Wales it is 4755, much more than the difference in populations. So it looks like either Scotland is over diagnosing or E&W is under diagnosing.

  316. schrodingers cat says:


    if im right, soon there wont be any snp, or ilp or holyrood. there will only be the yes movement, ie, you and me

  317. Dr Jim says:

    Alex Salmond has no plan, will never have a plan and didn’t have a plan in 2014 when he lost the referendum

    Because if in 2014 Scotland had said YES to Independence Alex Salmond had already been advised the UK would have the legal authoity to just said NO anyway because referendums are not the legal matter everybody seems to think they are, in all things constitutional the UK has the final determining say, and that say is political acceptance not legal acceptance, and Alex was engaging in political puffery knowing the truth all the while

    If you challenge legally and lose you set a precedent for losing thus adding it to the so called unwritten constitution

    If Scotland attempts to hold a referendum without political acceptance by the UK government it will be stopped or worse
    If the UK government don’t choose to co-operate on any level then Scotland remains a hostage country

    Weight of public opinion in Scotland is the only way to pressurise the UK government into changing its stance, and the numbers right now are just simply not enough, that’s why Nicola Sturgeon mentioned the 60% threshold as to what she thought might be enough for the UK to accept the will of the people of Scotland, but even that is no guarantee of anything, even if the SNP won every single election by a massive majority as the sovereign legal state the UK can still say NO

    When Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg smirkingly spout their stuff about there being no borders between England and Scotland they know they’re being geographically incorrect but they are also making the point that in law they are correct

    Scotland is screwed unless the people join together, without that strength of unity we don’t exist

    You want the truth well you won’t get it from Internet bloggers telling you half the truth and making insinuations and allegations with no evidence about the rest hoping you’ll fall for it for entirely other reasons

    Scotland will only get Independence when enough of the population demand it, and much as I liked him too it won’t have anything to do with Alex Salmond or court cases or invented fallouts by those who wish to see an outcome that they want because they’re in a huff with a political figure they don’t happen to like, and what they want is either not Independence or aggravation for their own goals

  318. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers Cat @4.11pm
    I need another FFS – please don’t refer to anything that fecking imbecile Pete Wishart says. He is a liability and most certainly needs voted out at the next GE (hopefully we don’t need a next GE) before independence.

  319. schrodingers cat says:


    it isnt the corruption, it was the way they turned a blind eye to ethic cleansing. thats why i know they wont lift a finger to help us

    eg, the situation in catalunia was a blatant violation of human rights. the un didnt even pass comment

  320. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    If you’d studied something useful at uni, you might not be such an narrow minded twat.

  321. jfngw says:


    William Keegan (Observer finance) always referred to chancellors of the exchequer as either Preachers or Gamblers. I think you could use this also for party leaders, NS is not a gambler, AS is.

  322. schrodingers cat says:


    you asked me to provide evidence that nicola had given any hint of deviating from her gold standard route

    i merely provided it

  323. schrodingers cat says:



    i studied the art of winning arguments

    cant you tell?

  324. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    Remeber cat, I’m trained in law and all sorts of stuff you have no knowledge of. So it might be time for you to give your ego a rest.

    Should the Law Reflect the World?: Lessons for Legal Theory from Quantum Mechanics

  325. CameronB Brodie says:

    Dr Jim
    Could you provide some legal justification to your opinion please, as I don’t agree with you in the slightest?

  326. callmedave says:

    Big Auntie BBC has their usual colonial websites front and centre on the corona virus stats.

    But nothing to update the casual lurker on the BBC ‘UK’ or the BBC ‘England’ or the BBC ‘Corona update’ links darn Sarf.

    Same again today.
    Yesterday they never spoke live on the news the corona ‘daily’ death rate OR the UK Total for the first time ever. 🙁

    Oh wait here it is now. UK figs only though … Good old Auntie!

    WM update later on which has just been announced to be hosted by the PM. (air bridge news probably and pubs are open)


    N. Ireland………today…….02……..Total…..554…BBC

  327. Robert Graham says:

    Ah Dr Jim – Same shite different blog ,

    The poor art oh the concern troll ,I am your side it’s found out then it reveals itself

    Remember that one fkr ? ,
    Yer wee dug isn’t here to protect yer arse hunt , fkn Troll eh I will stick a troll up yer arse pal

  328. jfngw says:

    The Thatcher government pulled the ultimate con in the 80’s. They used our oil to build up the infrastructure around London and the SE of England, at the same time they closed most manufacturing outwith this area claiming we needed to be a service economy.

    Now they tells us that London is the centre of wealth and they finance the rest of us. They will throw us the breadcrumbs of call centres but the real centre of control will remain in London. They have striped the wealth creation from most areas outside the SE of England.

    Scotland still has its natural resources and could now harness these to develop our own wealth, or we can continue to let London divest us of it, for themselves.

  329. schrodingers cat says:

    @dr jim
    If Scotland attempts to hold a referendum without political acceptance by the UK government it will be stopped or worse
    If the UK government don’t choose to co-operate on any level then Scotland remains a hostage country

    spot on

  330. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    Not got any substantive argument so you resort to insult. Fine, I can take anything you’ve got. It’s just a shame you’re such a narrow minded individual though. I’ve pretty much outlined the legal case for Scotland to exert her sovereign legal personality, so as to avoid Brexit. You just want to play politics though, cause all you’re trained in is how to play politics.

  331. ahundredthidiot says:

    fireproofjim @ 3:45

    yeah, you really missed the point didn’t you – not for the first time – it wasn’t an anti-vax rant, it was an anti-sheep following ‘authority’ figures without question rant.

    It wasn’t Hitler and the SS who were responsible for the horrors of WW2, it was the good people of Germany who allowed it, without question, swallowing lies about Polish attacks on German border towns – the fake news of the day.

    tell a lie – a whopper – and keep telling it….it will eventually be accepted as truth and then you can do what you like.

  332. Scozzie says:

    Schrodingers Cat @ 4.26pm
    The UN turn a blind eye to a lot of things – they are constrained by the biggest donors. In my experience they pass lots of resolutions, which are wholesale ignored by members states – take the Chagos islands most recently; or the some 45 resolutions on the occupation of Palestine. Totally toothless unless we’re talking of the Security Council, of course!

  333. schrodingers cat says:

    @dr jim

    Weight of public opinion in Scotland is the only way to pressurise the UK government into changing its stance, and the numbers right now are just simply not enough, that’s why Nicola Sturgeon mentioned the 60% threshold as to what she thought might be enough for the UK to accept the will of the people of Scotland, but even that is no guarantee of anything, even if the SNP won every single election by a massive majority as the sovereign legal state the UK can still say NO


    thats also true, but nicola has managed to get persistent polls above 50%

    on jan 1st, that will increase

    thats why i think bojo will move to shut down holyrood before may 2021

  334. robertknight says:

    ahundred%theidiot @3:21

    “Facemask wearers are nazis – pure and simple – good little nazis”

    No, dipshit, just a good little chronic asthmatic who’d like to see in a few more Christmasses with his family. Problem with that? Then may I politely suggest you go and piss up a rope!

  335. Dr Jim says:

    For those who aren’t happy with what I wrote perhaps you might check Andrew Tickells podcast on the subject of law and its relationship to the UK government and the power they have over it

  336. schrodingers cat says:


    your just pissed that your comeback insults are so drudgingly poor

  337. mike cassidy says:


    That link to the new Ethics commissioner is here.

    I wonder if it was coincidence that she was appointed just after the Leslie Evans court fiasco and reappointment.

  338. schrodingers cat says:


    agreed, i dont know why folk here think they will come to our rescue, they wont

    scotland is only world famous in scotland

  339. CameronB Brodie says:

    Is this an SNP circle-jerk I see before me? Hey guys, Scotland and England are equal partner in Treaty Law. Neither has the legal authority to dictate terms to the other.

    Order and Disorder
    Legal Adjudication and Quantum Epistemology

  340. Dr Jim says:

    @schrodingers cat 4:50pm

    I know you to be a genuine Independence supporter so I answer you by saying I agree with you 100%, everything is in the balance right now, we can win if we’re enough, BUT, and that’s the worry

  341. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    That’s because, unlike yourself, I’m seeking to inform and expand opinion.

    The Implementation of Earth Jurisprudence through Substantive Constitutional Rights of Nature

  342. ahundredthidiot says:

    robert knight

    away fuck off and burn some books ya wee prick.

    all the wee covid nazis will soon know about it when people like me have had enough of their pish.

    insignificant little shites who have never had any authority, power or responsibility in their lives, suddenly thinking they can tell complete strangers what to do – they just cant WAIT until next Friday – THAT is what a covid nazi is.

    keep it up muppet, keep it up

  343. CameronB Brodie says:

    Dr Jim
    Are you actually suggesting the Scottish government should support Westminster’s attack on Treaty Law? Should they not at least call it out so that the public know what faces them?

  344. dakk says:

    @Dr Jim

    Agree with a lot of that.

    I think Alex was shocked when SNP won a majority in 2011.

    They were in no way ready to campaign for such a seismic event out of the blue, I mean Blair Jenkins ffs.

    Since indyref was in manifesto, he could hardly say, ‘Eh, sorry, now is not the time guys.’

    And Westminster only agreed because they thought it was a relative cakewalk.

    Not totally blaming Alex either, it just came a bit early in the political psyche of Scotland.

  345. Beaker says:

    @Republicofscotland says:
    3 July, 2020 at 1:42 pm
    “Meanwhile the SNP’s new deputy leader at Westminster will be revealed on Wednesday Philippa Whitford, has been approach for the vacancy but she doesn’t seem that keen on the position.

    Others jockeying for the position are Mhairi Black, Joanna Cherry and Alison Thewliss. Kirsty Blackman stood down from the post to focus on family and her constituency.”

    Joanna Cherry is the logical choice. But what is the betting Black gets it for the “youth” vote (and other reasons)? If Cherry doesn’t get the role, then personally I’d prefer Tommy Sheppard. He has the personality and the maturity to carry the role with distinction.

  346. schrodingers cat says:

    @Dr Jim

    the direction of travel is heartening, nicola is doing a great job of bringing nos 2 yes

    leaving the transition period, with no deal or any transition on jan the 1st is only going to make support climb higher

    if bojo were considering agreeing to scottish independence then i would say we are in great shape

    but i dont think so, the behind the scenes moves say otherwise, eg, the politbeauro of council leaders he just created, the huge increase in scotland office personnel and their new offices are part of his plan to get rid of holyrood.

    the point really is if he is going to do this, why would he wait until nicola has a mandate of 50%+ in may 2021?

    no, he’ll make his move before then

  347. Scozzie says:

    Dr Jim @4.23pm

    You say – “If Scotland attempts to hold a referendum without political acceptance by the UK government it will be stopped or worse
    If the UK government don’t choose to co-operate on any level then Scotland remains a hostage country”.

    I don’t understand your position – that’s a catch 22. You’re basically saying WM holds all the power.

    If that’s the case then it doesn’t matter if 99.99% of people in Scotland wants to be independent – you’re saying no matter what WM holds all the power!!!!

    What happened to Scottish people holding their own sovereignty?

  348. Julia Gibb says:

    @schrodingers Cat

    Thank you for being a voice of reason in the bedlam that now passes for debate!

  349. schrodingers cat says:

    ahundredthidiot says:
    insignificant little shites who have never had any authority, power or responsibility in their lives,

    you do know that nowadays, there is a huge support stucture in place for folk who suffer from small cock syndrome?

  350. schrodingers cat says:

    your welcome julia

  351. CameronB Brodie says:

    Don’t interrupt the guys while they’re jerking each other silly, you might put them off their stroke. Both appear oblivious to the fact that we are still connected to the EU, and national law can’t be used to remove fundamental rights. Not in a democracy anyway.

    The Jurisprudence of Constitutional Conflict: Constitutional Supremacy in Europe before and after the Constitutional Treaty

    One of the core constitutional questions for national constitutional courts in the EU in the past decades has been whether to accept the claim made by the Court of Justice that EU law is the supreme law of the land, taking primacy even over conflicting national constitutional provisions. With the inclusion in the recently adopted Constitutional Treaty of a clause explicitly confirming the ‘primacy of EU Law’ appearances suggest that the EU is about to establish a characteristic of mature, vertically integrated, federal states such as the USA.

    This article argues that this view is mistaken. It develops a comprehensive jurisprudential framework for addressing constitutional conflicts, ‘Constitutionalism Beyond the State’ (CBC). CBS detaches the discussion of supremacy and constitutional conflict from a statist framework; provides a jurisprudential account that explains and justifies the highly differentiated, context?sensitive and dynamic set of conflict rules that national courts have in the past adopted; and provides the lacking theoretical basis for the more attractive, but undertheorised sui generis accounts of European constitutional practice that have recently gained ground in the literature.

    CBS provides a jurisprudentially grounded reconstructive account of why the issue of constitutional conflict is as rich and complicated in Europe as it is and why it is likely to remain so even if the Constitutional Treaty is ratified. The article then goes on to make concrete proposals addressed to national constitutional courts and the Court of Juctise respectively about how, in application of the developed approach, constitutional conflicts ought to be addressed doctrinally. It includes a proposal to read the new ‘constitutional identity’ clause as authorising Member States as a matter of EU Law to set aside EU Law on constitutional grounds under certain circumstances.

  352. schrodingers cat says:


    power rests in the hands of those who wield it.

    that fact cant be wished away no matter how unpalatable

    when bojo shuts down holyrood, will you still be arguing that we are sovereign?

    sovereignty is never given

    that is exactly the basis of the face off that is about to happen

  353. CameronB Brodie says:

    Julia Gibb
    Are you not a fan of constitutional law and order?

  354. Dan says:

    @s. cat at 2.21pm

    Aye, a chess game indeed.
    Many folk have for some time had concerns that the opportunities for Scotland to democratically resolve the situation we find ourselves in appear to be getting rather constrained. There’s certainly been and are numerous signs of incremental creep in that direction by Westminster.

    That said the YES movement has through dogged commitment and various methods managed to keep a semblance of progress in continuing to enlighten the electorate to pro-indy positives.
    YES Hubs up and running, AUOB marches managed to get significant numbers out on numerous occasions.
    There’s a lot of weight behind the YES Movement now, and even though it may be divided on certain matters, it is hard to believe after all the efforts folk have put in they would just down tools and meekly walk away now.

    It would be braw if folk recognised the situation we find ourselves in and unified as best we can to campaign to further build awareness and support for whatever lies ahead.

  355. Dan says:

    @jfngw says: at 3:59 pm

    Have we have reached ultimate genderwoowoo

    Gonnae no do that, jist gonnae no.

    I thought either my monitor had just shat itself as the colours had gone oot o’ whack, or I was suffering some food poisoning induced hallucinogenic experience!

    I’m beginning to question why the Green’s are so supportive of a policy that appears to promote more than an appropriate and sustainable level of chemicals and colouring agent use…
    Surely the more natural and environmentally sound way would be just to Self ID as the colour one prefers.
    What’s wrong with beige anyway!

  356. schrodingers cat says:


    99.99% of people in Scotland wants to be independent – you’re saying no matter what WM holds all the power!!!!

    why not?

    99.99% of the Chagossians want their island home back. they didnt get because wm holds all the power

    why do you think they will treat scotland differently?

    you say we are sovereign, id like to think so, but whether we actually are or not is about to be tested

    this is the point dr jim is making in his post.

  357. dakk says:

    Agree with SC that an early HR election might be only option very soon.

    Makes it all the more important we get a tight handle on covid ASAP with as much economic normality as possible.

    Also explain why UK gov will not cooperate with Scot gov on covid/borders, and try spread their virus north.

  358. Mike d says:

    As someone else said on here once, nothing to do with the FM or the SNP. The only people keeping Scotland in bondage, are the Scottish people at the ballot box. Wha’s like us eh?.

  359. schrodingers cat says:

    There’s a lot of weight behind the YES Movement now, and even though it may be divided on certain matters, it is hard to believe after all the efforts folk have put in they would just down tools and meekly walk away now.

    i think your right, if and when holyrood and the political wing of the indy movement are neutered(snp/sg msps/mps), the YES Movement will be all thats left

  360. Dr Jim says:

    @Scozzie 5:10pm

    You’re correct in your catch 22 reference, everything about devolution was designed in this way, however people power can bring about change if there’s enough of us because although people think the UK is a democracy it’s not, it’s a fake democracy or it wouldn’t require to always have a majority in the English parliament thus making it a dictatorship by consent, but the population don’t realise they’ve consented to that

    The UK is a lie based upon the premise that they are *Her Majesty’s government* but how can there be a Monarchy in a democracy, it’s a pretence and a commercial marketing ploy for the public, and in England the public are happy to spend their money on it because they for the most part know no better

    Many people think the law will be of assistance and most of the people who think that are lawyers telling people that might work, but if you employ the law in an attempt to thwart the UK you will be in court for the next lifetime, the courts will earn money the judges will earn money and the lawyers will earn money and all the time the population of Scotland will be paying for a whole bunch of legal experts making a terrific living but getting nowher near Independence because by the time they’ve finished arguing about it Independence will either be too late because Scotland will have been stripped or the lawyers will come up with a brand spanking new deal same as the old devolution deal

    Scotland I believe will need people power revolution, I don’t mean the busting things up revolution, just massive people power and the right leader for it, and my belief is we have her right now, no heroics no showoff a meticulous leader that the public have confidence in, like she’s displaying every day right now

    The Tories and Labour are demanding these breifings be stopped by the BBC because they claim they’re party political broadcasts but what you don’t know is the journalists have breifings with the opposition before they ask their questions to the First Minister which you’ll know have become entirely political every day, so the opposition sets them up to later complain about the answers

    We are winning but it’s going to be more of a grind than an event I believe and the person to lead that grind without responding to the kind of fight the UK would want to have is Nicola Sturgeon, she has the patience to break them down without losing the plot herself, except when she specifically wants to

    I know some folk are hoping for this Alex Salmond revival but it can’t and won’t happen and it’s best left alone, the press would kill him every day and create him as a laughing stock and it would do us more harm than good in the long run and I believe Alex probably knows this perfectly well

  361. Willie says:

    Power does indeed vest in those who wield it.

    Sovereignty grants the right to wield it. Without sovereignty their is no right, no mandate and the power vested can only be by force.

    Johnson, as he tries to dismantle the Scottish Parliament and impose to use the phrase ‘ Direct Rule ‘ does so at his peril. His ilk did not retain the empire, the colonies, and our nearest neighbour ended in tears.

    This ain’t no mid to late 20th century and 2020 Westminster ain’t no world power anymore.

  362. schrodingers cat says:


    as i said, bojo has a limited range of options, in the best case senario the he 2021 does take place and we do gain 50%+ support from the electorate and he could still say no

    but we need this election to happen, we need to demonstrate to the people of scotland that we are the majority

    why, because if the above happens, there will be nothing more the snp or any indy politician can do

    the next stage will be civil disobedience and to be successful, we need the people of scotland to support our actions

    democratic debate and action stop when there is no more democracy

  363. Scozzie says:

    Schrodinger Cat
    Yer man Dr Jim said – “60% threshold as to what she thought might be enough for the UK to accept the will of the people of Scotland, but even that is no guarantee of anything, even if the SNP won every single election by a massive majority as the sovereign legal state the UK can still say NO”

    His words – you name the % – according to Dr Jim WM can still say no. Again I say we’re either sovereign or we’re not! It’s not about percentages.
    I agree we need to test the voting public either through a plebiscite election or referendum – but we heading up cul-de-sac on aiming for a mythical % in polls. Coz polls go up and down.

  364. CameronB Brodie says:

    Mike d
    I’m not sure if the SNP are entirely blameless, as their approach to the law is just simply pants.

    Morally robust constitutional jurisprudence consists of three different strands of law, positive, natural, and realist (socioeconomic). Brexit ignore the latter two and imposes English Torydum on Scotland through abusive constitutional majoritarianism, and authoritarian legal practice justified entire through positive law.

    This is government through FORCE, a.k.a. EUGENICS. Given the Scottish government’s attempt to force similarly unjust law on Scotland, I’m begining to wonder if the SNP has not become part of the problem. Scotland simply needs to embrace Natural Law jurisprudence and international law, if it hopes to enjoy the benefits of democracy.

    Constitutional Quantum Mechanics and a Change of Government in Malaysia

    – Dian AH Shah and Andrew Harding, National University Singapore Faculty of Law

    Democratic backsliding has become quite the flavour of the decade, unfortunately, as the pages of this blog reveal all too starkly: Hungary, Poland, Sri Lanka, Brazil, Indonesia, Turkey, and many other instances across the world.[1] In contrast Malaysia appeared – until recently – an interesting and all too rare contrary example of a state that was, to redeploy the metaphor, forward-sliding. Recent events, however, cast doubt on such analysis, as this note will argue….

  365. schrodingers cat says:

    @dr jim

    Scotland I believe will need people power revolution, I don’t mean the busting things up revolution, just massive people power and the right leader for it

    agreed, but an election with 50%+ will be essential to motivate people in large enough numbers

    as for a leader, nicola should continue to do what she is good at, ie, being a politician. to lead a movement in civil disobedience you need a rabble rouser like tommy sheridan or jimmy reid

  366. @Beaker,

    in ref to deputy leader at UK parliament,

    having watched a fair bit of the HoC on tv since 2015 intake,some of the SNP started of well then faded and some took a bit longer to get into the swing of things but came through better parliamentarians,

    having looked through who is available this was my list for getting the job,

    would like to see her replacement from Kenny MacAskill,Deidre Brock,Drew Hendry,Angus MacNeil,Alison Thewliss,Philippa Whitford,Joanna Cherry and would have included Amy Callaghan (hope she is recovering ok),

    the front bench needs a strong personality and someone that can think on their feet,

    the rest are decent backbenchers with a fair few (male and female) misogynists thrown in(should be thrown out),

    Shepherd,Black and Bardell have been disappointments (to me)after promising so much at the start.

  367. Al-Stuart says:


    You think Shroedinger’s Cat’s joke about my Maws box is funny.

    That’ll be the box she was buried in on 12th April 2020 with a lot of our family unable to attend.

    Joseph I find you as funny as the plague.

    Your wee pal shat-cat and you make a perfect pair. Of testicles.

    All you and shat cat are here for is to TROLL and BAIT.

    Then you don the master-baiters usual stance of righteous indignation demanding I explain the suggested OFF button to permanently obscure TROLLS on WoS, much like Stu Campbell’s block-list on Twitter.

    If you and your lame cat friend learn to read, you will have seen my reference to the FACEBOOK model, where it is an INDIVIDUALS choice to delete skid marks and nonentities like you. Dickless wonder, I am NOT asking anyone to get you barred. Just have you and your pitiful bawbag pal gone from my world.

    Surely folk here must have notices shat-cat’s unhinged stalking of this site with his/her/it’s TROLLING with 52 posts an hour? Yes? No?

    Joeshit, by all means you scribble away here as few folk would take anything to do with you in the pub or at an SNP branch meeting. I am just asking Stu., if it is possible to have a FACEBOOK style MUTE button so those of us here who would like a grown up discussion about gaining our Independence are not polluted and trolled by ex jail-birds and wee neds such as cat-pish and his ilk

    Now kindly fcuk off.

  368. Its great how most of you on here seem to have all the answers yet the all the questions still remain???in the A.S. Case is he not entitled to sue those who accused him as he was found not guilty of the charges against him which must mean those who made them are guilty of fraud ???

  369. jfngw says:


    It wasn’t the look that I was referring to, I was a teenager in the 70’s so that would be a bit hypocritical. It was the nonsense about relating gender to physics, absolute bat crazy.

  370. schrodingers cat says:

    60%, ill settle for 50%+

    Again I say we’re either sovereign or we’re not! It’s not about percentages.

    so the 55% of scots who voted for unionist parties in dec 2019 are not sovereign?


    we heading up cul-de-sac on aiming for a mythical % in polls.

    it is the % in polls and elections which is taken as the measure of what the wishes of the sovereign people of scotland actually is.

    your wishes and desires, as an individual sovereign scot, do not over ride, cancel out, negate or challenge the collective wishes of the sovereign people of scotland. it is they who decide

    Coz polls go up and down


    actually they dont, they trend, at the moment the trend is up over 50%+ and increasing. if we win an election with such figures, we will then have a mandate from the sovereign people of scotland

  371. schrodingers cat says:


    sorry al, my mistake, year of the cat an aw’ that

    it must have been yer sisters box 🙂

  372. Confused says:

    the man we need to lead us, in our darkest hour …

  373. dakk says:

    @SC said
    ‘democratic debate and action stop when there is no more democracy’

    Will pick up a new hard hat next time I’m down at Bill’s Tools 🙂

  374. jfngw says:

    @Dr Jim

    The trail of breadcrumbs might in fact be more than the Rev even thinks, he believes it was to destroy Salmond. Of course Westminster may have gone bigger and want to destroy both of them. They have set it up now, the first has failed in a sense but succeeded in effectively negating him, now they want to damage Sturgeon.

  375. CameronB Brodie says:

    I understand that the polls might not suggest it is yet safe to call an indy vote, but our window of opportunity is closing fast. If the SNP were to inform the electorate that Brexit removes their legal right to legal rights, I’m sure we get a clear vote for indy at the next SE. The SNP appears to be getting its’ legal advice directly from HMG though, so that’s that I suppose.

    Causality re-established

  376. CameronB Brodie says:

    Sorry mate, but you need to applied a quantum approach to the law if you want to respect bio-neurological individualism, and the phenomenological differences between the sexes.

    Quantum physics in neuroscience and psychology: a neurophysical model of mind–brain interaction

  377. schrodingers cat says:

    I thought we were having a decent discussion btl, are we the ones trolling and disrupting the thread?

    or is it because trolls like al-stuart and @an100thidiot have now been side lined 🙂

    @dr jim
    @Mike d
    @Julia Gibb

  378. schrodingers cat says:

    dakk says:
    Will pick up a new hard hat next time I’m down at Bill’s Tools

    you might want to invest in a cricket box too, i think al-s has few spare 🙂

  379. Dan says:

    jfngw says: at 6:07 pm

    It was the nonsense about relating gender to physics, absolute bat crazy.

    I couldn’t possibly comment on that aspect because it is now all down to how the person feelz, but be careful, historic comments like yours might get you locked up for being hurtful once this crew get more power.

  380. jfngw says:

    @schrodingers cat

    I’m guilty at times of throwing in distractions, usually something I’ve spotted elsewhere that I found amusing. Sometimes just sarcasm at those I’m not convinced are actual independence supporters.

    By the way the jfngw are not just random characters but my initials, gw added as I lived in Glasgow when I started using it (2000 I think). The j is for jim but as there was Dr Jim when i first started posting I didn’t use it.

  381. schrodingers cat says:


    its difficult to remember tho’ it doesnt exactly roll of the tongue and looks like an exclamation mark from old batman comics 🙂

  382. liz says:

    Angus MacNeil as deputy but that will never happen. Nicola always makes it very clear who she wants and sends that signal via her loyal MPs to all the membership.

    She did it with Angus Robertson. TBH I don’t even remember the Kirsty Blackman one but since we now know she is crazy full on woke, she was pushed for that reason.

    I am hoping Joanna Cherry is standing for Holyrood, otherwise she’d be great as well

  383. CameronB Brodie says:

    Is that the cat trying to decide who gets a say in Scotland’s democracy? I telt you there’s a whiff of something not right with the cat’s approach to supporting democracy.

    Here’s some brain science on human consciousness and ‘free-will’. This is what Brexit and the GRA proposals ignore.

    Can biological quantum networks solve NP-hard problems?

  384. dakk says:



  385. schrodingers cat says:


    you know, i could write you an app, a simple one, which not only posted your hyperlinks but then automatically sent them to the trash can. fiendishly clever

    the wonders of modern technology eh

  386. jfngw says:


    Just to clarify I don’t really care about transgender in the sense they can dress and behave how they want within legal limits. But it’s the negation of others and the attempt to control how we use language I find objectionable.

  387. `Institute for Government`,

    `Why are people talking about a second Scottish independence referendum?`

    an outsiders view on the Independence debate.

  388. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    As far as you are concerned I’m a spam bot. Could it be that I’m pointing out through legal reason and stuff, the uncomfortable fact that your party doesn’t appear to have the slightest understanding of legal rights or justice?

    Quantum Biology May Help Solve Some of Life’s Greatest Mysteries

  389. jfngw says:

    Sorry cat, a distraction

    If transwomen are men who think they are women, does that make someone Scottish who believes they are English a transnative. I can think of one obvious example, the flowing locks, the inability to drag himself away from a mirror, the love of racists.

  390. Jams O'Donnell says:

    It pains me to say this, but WoS btl comments seems to be filled almost exclusively by complete nutters. Won’t be bothering with this again for a while. Unless you all stop stupid and vicious point scoring, personal squabbling and crazy conspiracy theories. You should clean all this up, Rev. Otherwise, who with any sense could be bothered being here.

  391. schrodingers cat says:

    have a look at the spook neil oliver account on twitter. brilliant


    “Ok Kneel if you could just stand over there and stare into the camera all serious and let your hair do that flappy flappy thing that would be great.”

    Been reading extracts from my book online during lockdown. Here’s a sample:

    “Scotland is bad and England is the best because Scotland is pure rubbish because we need England and that is what I think thank you.”

    Hope it’s not too academic for you all?

    Here’s me jumping over the Antonine Wall ditch like a true Scots warrior grrr. I can be butch sometimes.

    Ironically, if I had been around back then I would have encouraged the local population to surrender.

    Also my hair looks good here

    #BetterTogetherwithRomans #flappyhair

  392. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “schrodingers cat
    As far as you are concerned I’m a spam bot.”


    you know, i could write you an app, a simple one, which not only posted your hyperlinks but then automatically sent them to the trash can.”

    Last warning. Any more of this fucking playground wankery and you’ll both be going in a skip.

  393. jfngw says:

    @schrodingers cat

    What, no esoteric links. I only read posts with esoteric links!

  394. CameronB Brodie says:

    re. that Institute of Government Report. Well, of course they view the world through the lens of British constitutional legal practice, which lacks moral substance (see BREXIT).

    Human Rights Law Review 11:4 The Author [2011]. Published by Oxford University Press.

    The Normative Status of
    Self-Determination in
    International Law: A Formula
    for Uncertainty in the Scope
    and Content of the Right?

  395. Al-Stuart says:

    Shroedinger’s Cat,

    On this thread about the Trail of Breadcrumbs and Mrs Robertson not wanting to read certain articles…

    I made TWO POSTS.


    It is clear that you are the Troll.

    You arrogant cat-shat, calling others trolls when you seek to be boss of the troll master-baiters.

    It is also rare to get the site owner, Stuart Campbell to the point that he comments on his own threads, but you managed to do this twice as quoted below.

    Right from the very first post you whine on and on and on EIGHTY NINE TIMES. Shat-cat, just give us some peace.

    With two fouls causing remarks from the boss, it appears evident at you are trolling the site owner.

    Or shat-cat, is it your thesis that Stuart Campbell is one of the trolls and you are the good guy?

    I can only beg Stuart to consider installing some form of Facebook-style block button, where those registered on this site can block others who just post EIGHTY NINE times in one thread with their utter drivel.

    Source quotations…

    Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
    2 July, 2020 at 4:54 pm
    “who in the scottish government will this be uncomfortable for?”
    “Are you (ShrodCat)) just pretending to be stupid or is it a natural talent?


    Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
    2 July, 2020 at 5:39 pm
    “not actually doing anything wrong doesn’t stop the msm for hounding snp members. ask michelle thompson”
    “Gee, (ShrodCat) I guess you must have spoken to her more about it than I have.”


  396. Beaker says:

    Wetherspoon’s is opening from 6am tomorrow. Some quite funny videos on Twitter about it.

    Might not be so funny this weekend as A&E’s get swamped by the arseholes…

  397. CameronB Brodie says:

    I hear loud and clear Rev., I was actually trying to steer the argument in the direction of ethical rationalism, though it might not have looked like it. Sorry.

    Gabriel Marcel on Creativity and Hope

  398. Al-Stuart says:

    Crikey Stu.,

    That was spooky.

    Maybe put a lottery ticket on this week because you are reading folks’ minds.

    Shroedinger’s cat, that appears to be THREE times you have gone a troll-too-far.

    In all the years on here I have never seen the normally mild manered and BTL tolerant Stuart Campbell issue THREE rejoinders. Cat, you seem awfy close to being taken to the vets. Ouch.



    Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
    3 July, 2020 at 7:31 pm
    “schrodingers cat
    As far as you are concerned I’m a spam bot.”


    you know, i could write you an app, a simple one, which not only posted your hyperlinks but then automatically sent them to the trash can.”

    Last warning. Any more of this fucking playground wankery and you’ll both be going in a skip.


    Sanity from the BigFla. Crivens, help ma boab. All is richt wie the world agin. 🙂

  399. CameronB Brodie says:

    P.S. to that Human Rights Law Review article. Scotland is an equal legal partner with England, under Treaty Law. Treaty Law is international law, which stands above national law. Subsequently, Westminster does not have the moral leg authority to dictate to Scotland, or remove Scotland from EU legal protection.

    Brexitania is not a social democracy, so treating it as one is simply not rational.

  400. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Here’s the link to this afternoon’s Ian Collins show on TalkRadio.

    It’s all about the latest J.K. Rowling stushie (the biggest Harry Potter blogs disassociating themselves from her).

    Valuable stuff because it gives a foretaste of what *should* be a major debate over a pivotal moment in the SNP’s history i.e. the process of deciding who will represent the party for the 2021 SG poll and, therefore, help form the next administration.

    I’ve never heard the Ian Collins show before today and know nothing about him, but I hope Rev will consider adding this link to the index of ‘further resources’ which appears at the end of this :

  401. CameronB Brodie says:

    sorry….legal authority

    Magna Carta: Muse and Mentor
    Due Process of Law

  402. jfngw says:


    I wouldn’t be taking the first pints, it’s probably been in the pub since March. He doesn’t like to waste money, the beers been on furlough but now it’s straight back to work.

  403. Marshall Adair says:

    Halleluyah! It’s like when a pair of rowdy folk next door finally shut up. For how long, though?

  404. schrodingers cat says:


    the individual branches vet all PPC who put there hats in the ring, then decide who will be the candidate.

  405. Effijy says:

    Channel 4 News said that there have been just under 30,000 Excess Deaths in England and Wales
    Is that number to be added to the 44,000 declared UK Deaths.

    Has anyone been able to look at the Excess Death numbers across the UK that
    Include April, May and June?

    I know they normally look at those same months over the last 5 years to give
    A truer picture but there should be some kind of factor applied to the fact that
    Deaths on the road, and at work places must be much lower due to Furough.

    What is the true UK Death Rate due to this virus?

    No point on looking at the Tory or BBC stats other than to dismiss them.

  406. ahundredthidiot says:

    back to main story – I couldn’t help be struck by the easy time NS is getting from the MSM every time Scotland takes a different path from London on all things COVID (let’s forget for a second our opinions on the virus, if we can)….seriously….she is getting an easy ride if ever there was one.

    I am all for forgiveness, but not forgetting….especially the celebrations with the big fair and their AS effigy being paraded around before being set alight….shocking.

    NS though…..isn’t she just the darling.

    Makes you think.

  407. Al-Stuart says:

    Ian Brotherhood,

    Thank you for some BTL comment that is important.

    Sometimes I struggled with why Stuart found GRA in Scotland so troubling.

    Ian, after listening to the link you posted, it helps me understand Stuart’s position better.

    Even the English chap hosting the radio programme has recognised the unwise GRA law reform in Scotland.

    This is a REALLY serious issue and it will cause a major legal mess in Scotland that will risk sinking IndyRef2.

    Stuart Campbell has been ahead of his time for years.

    Whilst the spy-catcher gerrymandering British Empire 77th Brigade et al have chosen there battlefields well.

    This is becoming an existential threat to the CURRENT SNP leadership.

    Thankyou again Ian. Your post makes a refreshing change from cat pollution.

    For convenience, here is the link, roughly 12 minutes into the programme…

  408. Breeks says:

    Dr Jim says:
    3 July, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    If you challenge legally and lose you set a precedent for losing thus adding it to the so called unwritten constitution…

    That’s fine Dr Jim, err,… well,… except….

    Joanna Cherry already has set two precedents; two cases lodged under Scots law, both of which boldly went where Tony Blair’s Supreme Court had no jurisdiction, and subsequently delivered legal rulings, one of which in particular ruled that a UK Prime Minister had to obey a Scottish Court, and observe the Scottish legal doctrine that the people were sovereign and thus Parliament served the people, and could not arbitrarily prorogue itself to avoid public scrutiny.

    If legal precedent is so important to you Dr Jim, why are you ignoring these precedents set by our own Joanna Cherry? Does it only set a precedent if Westminster says it does?

    I’ve said it before… Joanna Cherry’s case which forced Boris Johnson to un-prorogue Parliament took a tiny portion of the UK’s unwritten constitution and set binding precedents on the UK Constitution. That tiny portion of UK unwritten constitution became written constitution tested by law.

    Scottish Sovereignty requires a similar degree to recognition, NOT put back in it’s box because Westminster says so, and Sturgeon in her bizarre and unfathomable wisdom agrees.

    You’re knocking on the door Dr Jim. You DO grasp what having a sovereign Constitution means, and yet you abdicate all the power of it to Westminster. Why do you do that Dr Jim? Why do you refuse to grasp the strength which Scotland possesses, yet fret that Westminster might purloin that strength and use it against us? Scottish Sovereignty is OUR sovereignty.

  409. ahundredthidiot says:


    with respect – you are asking the wrong question.

    the question you should be asking is ‘what are the flu deaths for 2020?’

  410. ahundredthidiot says:


    spot on…..the clear and present danger to indy is GRA…..makes you wonder why the current SNP seem so determined about it… critique, no tolerance for difference of opinion, no debate.

    and in order to get it through – hate crime law needs passed to stifle and criminalise debate/objection.

    scary times in the world…..and Scotland seems keen to lead.

  411. Dan says:

    The MSM still trying to platform anybody but an actual virologist…

    No excuses for Carole not utilising correct terminology in the future as she’s correct on “UK”.

  412. defo says:

    With No.10 in thrall to ‘optics ‘, in what circumstances would they dare go full fascist and chuck Scottish ‘democracy ‘?

    How could middle England be persuaded that that is in their interests?

    How could they convince themselves there would be an end game possible, not just a repeat of NI history?

    Is a home for Trident, and what’s left of their balance of trade weapon, oil, really worth ‘tanks in your front garden’?

    Nah, if the tanks start rumbling, then there’s more at stake than just holding Scotland.

  413. Dan says:

    grr… as she’s corrected on “UK”

  414. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Re that link I posted earlier…

    These commercial radio shows do have an awful lot of breaks for ads, news etc, so if you don’t have time to take in the whole thing it may help to go to specific sections.

    An Edinburgh-based woman called Marion appears at 17m 39s in the 13.30-14.00 segment. Great speaker. (Does anyone know her surname?)

  415. schrodingers cat says:


    bojo’s options to delay indy are very very limited, what do you think is going to happen?

    the home for Trident, and what’s left of their balance of trade weapon, oil, is why they will park tanks in your front garden

  416. Ian Brotherhood says:

    I’m still listening to the bits I didn’t catch today but the other section I wanted to highlight is in the 14.00-14.30 segment, another Edinburgh (trans)woman called Helen, from 13m 35s.

  417. terence callachan says:

    Covid19 has NOT reached its peak across the world
    The WORST is STILL TO COME……..this is what the WHO say

    To date over 11 million infected with covid 19
    Over half a million dead
    Many thousands left with longterm disability

    This is not flu……i have had flu…once in my life , when you have had flu …REAL flu high temperature sweating profusely for many hours each day whilst shivering at the same time, unable to walk more than a few metres unable to eat difficult to drink and it lasts a week , changing bed sheets twice a day confined to bed for the week…..then you know you have had flu

    Most people who say they have flu actually dont

    All those people who died from covid19 and most who got infected never ever thought it would happen to them

    Covid19 is serious much more serious than flu

    Do not underestimate it
    The best treatment is ” make sure you do not get it “

  418. defo says:

    I’m not saying that you are wrong Cat, I just can’t see this outcome finding favour with those who matter to the Tories, they’re not that stupid as to not recognise their slice of ‘democracy ‘could be next.
    A police state, within a state?
    Anti English sentiment, back with a vengeance, won’t appeal to the colonists, or the settlers.

    It’s been Check, back and forth, since Devo, and Brexit should have been Mate.
    It still can be.
    2021, IN or OUT, YES or NO.

    I’ll be popping Gladioli down the barrel

  419. jfngw says:

    Newsquest have announced substantial redundancies, they have realised you don’t need actual journalists to regurgitate press releases from political parties.

  420. bipod says:

    Saw some very interesting data from the ONS regarding the number of cases in Leicester. It shows the number of cases was falling before the lockdown was introduced and has been falling sharply just after the lockdown was introduced (far to early for the lockdowns supposed effects to have kicked in).

    How long do you think it will be before the anti science lockdown fanatics argue that lockdown retroactively brought down cases.

  421. Felt a disturbance in the twitter force today, seems there`s a stooshie with the President of the National Trust for Scotland,

    what the absolute f@ck has the grave robber been up to now.

  422. bipod says:

    “Over half a million dead”

    So not dissimilar from the flu then? Of course many more than 11 million have been infected those are just the cases that have been tested and reported.

    This isn’t the plague or the spanish flu no matter how hard people try incite fear around it. The empirical data shows clearly that this virus is not anymore dangerous than the flu for people of working age, only becoming slightly more dangerous for more vulnerable older people. It is killing exactly the same people that flu would kill, in terms of mortality it is actually surprising just how similiar it is to the flu.

    I know that is something wingers don’t like to hear. Lockdown fanatics hate when dithering nicolas fear mongering is put into perspective.

  423. schrodingers cat says:

    defo says:
    I’ll be popping Gladioli down the barrel


    of course we may get to may2021, hold the election, win 50%+

    1. bojo might fold and accept our indy. great stuff

    2. bojo still says no

    then we are down the rabbit hole
    regardless of bojo’s actions parking tanks or closing holyrood etc

    what do we do then?

  424. Dan says:

    schrodingers cat says: at 8:53 pm

    …is why they will park tanks in your front garden

    Twats better not coz I’ve just put down some new turf and if they mark my new lawn they’ll be invoiced accordingly.
    Park in my garden without my permission or a warrant and I’ll have the tracks removed and weld down the hatch before they get a clean shot at me!
    The crew better hope I haven’t had a curry or toxic gas might make its way in through the vents.
    If they do take me out then they’ll have to deal with a village full of angry folk pissed off that their lawnmower maintenance man is being treated badly.

    Public service safety tip. I’ve had to deal with runaway engines before and a few fire extinguishers discharged into the intake soon brought matters to a halt.

    Ques up… Kasabian – Club Foot

    They cannae park tanks on everyone’s front lawns.

  425. Rm says:

    That’s Scotland starting to go its own way now, don’t stop keep going our own way, send some delegates over to Brussels tell them Scotland want to stay in Europe the Scottish people voted overwhelmingly to stay in Europe so it’s not democratically right to refuse what they voted for, so we’ve ended the union between Scotland, Ireland, Wales and the country below Scotland mmmm err aye yes england because the Scottish Nation has voted to stay with Europe, it’s not too late.

  426. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Al-Stuart (8.20) —


    It’s a dodgy topic and one that most would prefer to avoid but we simply must get our heads around this stuff.

    And you’re right – Rev did warn us about this yonks ago.

  427. CameronB Brodie says:

    Ian Brotherhood
    Thanks for pointing us to Helen, who appears to be a total star. And a big thanks to Helen for standing up for human rationality and free-will.

    Quantum Measurement, Consciousness, and the Soul: a New, Alternative Position

  428. North chiel says:

    EDINBURGH airport boss on “ the nine “ tonight attempting to Partly blame the Scottish government for the Grant Shapps Westminster fiasco over Quarantine & Air bridges. Saying that his airport would be at a competitive disadvantage to English airports. Sounds like Britnat propaganda to me especially as this policy is not due to come into effect until July 10th . Time enough for our EDINBURGH Holyrood government to introduce our own Air bridge / quarantine or non quarantine country list after proper and due consideration . Is his airport unable to “ deal “ with or wait for our Scottish government decision on international travel to and from our nation ? I am sure they will make a rational & considered decision
    to enable him to reopen his airport by July 10th or thereabouts.

  429. ahundredthidiot says:

    today i walked past three bodies, neighbours had the hazard teams in dragging out the dead, volunteers were ordered to help dig graves….piles of lime line the roadside.


    NHS staff sent home due to lack of work, medicines piling up in warehouses soon passing their sell by dates and everyone in the response community stood down weeks ago….YIP!


    the economy falling apart, cancer patients going without check ups, people dying at home scared to go to hospital, drug deaths and suicides thru the roof and medical treatment denied to those refusing to wear a facemask.

    what a fucking mess we’ve made…..our forefathers – who fought and died for our freedom and standard of living – will be turning in their graves.


  430. CameronB Brodie says:

    Here’s a bit of legal thought to help support Helen’s point of view. Please remember that “sex” and “gender” are not the same. Sex is biological, gender is psychosocial.

    Gender Mainstreaming
    in Legal and
    Constitutional Affairs
    A Reference Manual for Governments
    and Other Stakeholder

  431. Rm says:

    Would this maybe be the time for Scotland to start using prestwick for any flights we’re nae sure about, start thinking different, do things our way Scotland’s way.

  432. defo says:

    Bozo and his people would be headed down a bigger hole than us in that case too then SC.
    What the Senedd, and Stormont?
    Chagos Islands aren’t next door.
    We can’t be ignored, or forgotten,
    Middle England is conservative and wouldn’t be keen on risky subterranean adventures.

    Bozo will buckle, and I’m fine betting my 4 kids, & 1 grand kids future on that.

  433. CameronB Brodie says:

    P.S. I don’t mean to confuse folks, but gender mainstreaming relates mainly to developing policy that supports the rights of biological women. I know it’s confusing, but sex has several meanings.

  434. schrodingers cat says:

    Bozo will buckle,

    I hope he does

    but i am not betting on it

  435. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Twitter has been instrumental in silencing so-called ‘gender-critical’ voices, as @Wings and @RevStu followers know only too well.

    Look at what they’re up to now…this is the actual manufacture of ‘Newspeak’, happening in plain view, and they need our ‘help’ to make it reality.

    And what happens if we don’t?

    Well, we already know.

  436. Effijy says:

    I’ve become pretty good at this new game I play on Wings.
    I open up, scroll to the bottom of all the posts and read the
    Comments without revealing the poster’s name.

    I can generally identify the idiot who posted by reading their comments.

    You can tell Anglo-file Tory Unionists by their demands that you will only get
    The flu if you return things back to normal.
    Yes it only the millions who are elderly, in ill health or have respiratory disorders.
    Of course they don’t mind dying to keep some idiots happy and workers with the
    New flu are happy to bring death home to the above innocents?


  437. defo says:

    Is there more than one way to find out SC?
    Are there any pieces still to be put in place?
    I’d love to think today’s excellent “shambles” was the opening salvo, and the six year phoney war was over.

  438. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi ahundredthidiot at 9:55 pm.

    You typed,

    “cancer patients going without check ups…”

    My father-in-law was taken into Ninewells Hospital by ambulance on Thursday afternoon.

    By Friday morning, he had been diagnosed with cancer in his liver.

    That speed of diagnosis won’t really suit your agenda, iye?

  439. Bob Mack says:


    Obviously you are prepared to meet your maker. Whether he is prepared or willing to meet you is another matter entirely.

    I suspect not.

  440. North chiel says:

    ITN’s Libby Weiner with a “ snide comment “ about the FM on news at ten tonight stating that Boris Johnston wouldn’t be very concerned about upsetting our FM over the air bridges/ quarantine row .

  441. Ayeright says:


    It’s YOU that is the embarrassment, you ibecile.

  442. defo says:

    Fancy a good laugh?

    @KneelAllover on the FoW twitter.

    Cruel, but fair parody, it has more than a touch of truth.

  443. CameronB Brodie says:

    Ian Brotherhood
    You’re right to point out Twitter’s active role in destroying meaningful language. Everyday language and everyday law are vital ingredients of open democracy, so here’s a look at some constitutional legal thought concerning language and how it constructs our reality, and defines our potential to access justice.

    Construing the Sounds of the Constitution’s Speech: Meanings beyond Text
    How does a Constitution speak? How do we get its messages? Is it merely by reading the text and going by the letter of the law? Or is it something more- profound and fascinating?

    Is there a sound in the silences also? These are issues of great moment. Looking only to the text and the letter may give rise to cacophony. What is important is not only what a Constitution says, but even more what it means. Sometimes even the silences are eloquent.

    What is not expressly stated is also sometimes as eloquent and meaningful as what is said. It is when speech and silence are juxtaposed, you hear a fleeting message – that is the melody of the Constitution.

    “Under all speech and writing that is good for anything, there lies a silence that is better,” said Carlyle.

  444. schrodingers cat says:

    defo says:

    Is there more than one way to find out SC?
    Are there any pieces still to be put in place?

    there have been a few moves made, the new scottish secretary offices and personnel and the council leaders forum, which i am certain are not for our benefit but i think folks should keep an eye out on social media for any other signs of this sort

    I’d say the phoney war is over defo

  445. robbo says:

    The virus will only be eliminated when the last Tory leaves.

  446. call me dave says:

    Radio 4 there: Had an American pundit saying in the last 5yrs over 8 million ‘white’ over 50’s have died who were predominantly republican Trump supporters.

    On the other hand most younger ‘now new’ voters in the last 5yrs in the next election will predominantly vote democrat.

    Too too close to call. 🙂

    PS: Scottish golfer ‘Russell (opportunity) Knox’ hacks his way round on day two and misses the cut again by two strokes.
    Three in a weeks in a row. 🙁 FGS!

    Tuned into the Boris corona virus WM-Gov update at tea time where he blustered his way through another 20 minutes forgetting his lines and failed, I think, to reassure anyone that he was a safe safe pair of hands.

    Listed four ‘little’ bubbles in parts of England where local teams are supressing the virus situation.
    (But not near the Scot’s border)

    Avoided the Cummings and Father Q on breaking the rules.

    Papered over the accusation the Quarantine & Air bridge rules were a ‘shambles’ as stated by the FM of Wales & Scotland.

    I thought he would give the daily numbers at least and mutter his condolences but he never got near that either.

  447. jfngw says:

    MENSA had released their latest intelligence level assessment catogories:

    Highly Intelligent
    Normal Intelligence
    Below Normal Intelligence
    A Murdo

  448. defo says:

    Sorry SC, I was meaning what more do we need to do, apart from calling the bluff?

    They’re not going to get away with enforcing the Union via direct rule.
    I believe that they know that.

    Apart from the ultra yoons, Scotland wouldn’t have it.

    How thick would you need to be to not figure out you now had no agency, and no ‘democracy ‘.

    England, on the whole wouldn’t have it either, and to the 1922 committee that matters.

  449. jfngw says:

    Crap, I’m a Murdo, I can’t spell categories.

  450. Dan says:

    Jim Fairlie article from earlier today in The National.
    Comments btl make a good read although most are continuing to articulate what has been said so many times already.

    That said, btl Thom Muir rightly highlights the aspect of timing, which was based on our status during a specific time period. By “timing out” of the transition period and thus allowing our status to change it makes matters more difficult.

  451. Joseph says:

    Sky News uses the Scotsman as their go-to newspaper for all things Scottish.

    Very unbiased and all that,,,,, not.

  452. schrodingers cat says:

    defo says:
    Sorry SC, I was meaning what more do we need to do, apart from calling the bluff?

    i’m unsure we can, i’m merely pointing out the options

    if we accept the senario that we are now over 50% support and its likely to rise on 1st jan and that in the next election we are likely 2 win with 50%+ support.

    there are only 2 options left to boris, yes or no

    i must admit, my use of metaphores is perhaps misleading but if it is no, then thats the end of the democratic route

    bojo dont need to park tanks on lawn or shut down holyrood. whats the point of it? whats the point of canvasing, delivering leaflets for the snp or the isp if when we win, we are ignored?
    whats the point of holyrood?

    @scozzie was adamant today that the scottish people are sovereign, and he is damn right, we are. but if boris says no, then he will be saying we arent?

    the rest of my post today were really only to highlight a point that, if the senario i laid out at the beginning of this post is plausable, and that you think there’s a good chance bojo will say no then it is very likely he will pre-empt the situation and stop the vote taking place. I would if i were he, if he has already decided to say no, what does he have to lose?

  453. schrodingers cat says:

    one thing’s for sure, the revolution in scotland will NOT be televised 🙂

  454. schrodingers cat says:

    defo says:
    3 July, 2020 at 11:24 pm
    Sorry SC, I was meaning what more do we need to do, apart from calling the bluff?

    They’re not going to get away with enforcing the Union via direct rule.
    I believe that they know that.

    Apart from the ultra yoons, Scotland wouldn’t have it.

    How thick would you need to be to not figure out you now had no agency, and no ‘democracy ‘.

    England, on the whole wouldn’t have it either, and to the 1922 committee that matters.

    to summarise your post, you believe bojo will say yes?

  455. jfngw says:

    Prince Andrew being eviscerated:

    Little did I know Hugh Laurie would turn out to be the intellectual of the royal family.

  456. North chiel says:

    “SC says at 1159 pm agreed ….“ I don’t suppose any football “ friendlies” organised with say Germany France Spain or Italy would be televised either . Even if they coincided with the “ revolution” ?

  457. schrodingers cat says:

    yes or no folk

    what do you think bojo will say?

  458. schrodingers cat says:


    Christopher Ashman @CAshmanActor

    doctor: we had to remove your appendix

    JRR Tolkien: but that’s where I explain why elves hate dwarves

  459. jfngw says:


    Cheers, I never remember how to use the archive and I feel it is up to individuals to either block the adverts or not. I block everything so never see any.

  460. Dan says:

    Headlines with news that Arlene Foster isnae happy that Michelle O’Neill attended a funeral.
    Don’t recall Arlene being pure ragin’ when Prince Chas visited Scotland, or Dominic Cummings tested his eyesight…

  461. CameronB Brodie says:

    I’m sorry to be a spoilsport, but I don’t think a “Murdo” is compatible with inclusive language, which is also a vital ingredient on open democracy. Much though I would like not to bring this to folks attention. 🙂

    Neither is insisting Trans-Women Are Women though. Trans-women do not have a female biology, do not posses the same lived experience as biological woman, and so will never see the word as a biological woman do.

    Shaping law to insist biology is irrelevant, present a fundamental conflict with the interests of free-will and public consciousness. Pretty much in the same way British constitutionalism subordinates Scotland’s public morality an legal interests to English Torydum, and so projects a national identity of Greater English Gammondum.

    Inclusive language
    Sex, gender and gender identity

    It’s very common for people to confuse sex, gender, and gender identity, despite being very different things….

  462. jfngw says:

    @achrodingers cat

    Well 49% of his supporters want shot of us so maybe it would be more fruitful working on them than trying to convert the diehard BritNats in Scotland.

  463. Dan says:


    It only takes a few moments.
    Open the following page.

    Paste the link you’ve already copied into the box and search to see if it has previously been archived.
    If it has, click on the version you want (there may be numerous), then collect that link from your browser bar and paste that link into the comment box.

    If the search states it hasn’t been previously saved then archive it and copy that link. (It may take 20seconds to process saving the page)

    That link you posted is a recent article but had actually already been archived 7 times.

  464. jfngw says:

    CameronB Brodie

    I’m not trying to be inclusive, fuck that for a game of soldiers. And Friday night is wine night so I’m pretty ‘on the ball’ just now.

  465. schrodingers cat says:


    thats true, he may well believe his own rhetoric and say yes

    i just dont think the establishment allow him

  466. CameronB Brodie says:

    I was just covering my back and being a pedant, as I’m sober. I wasn’t having a go at you, I think I’ve just reached peak flow. Which doesn’t mean I’ve a problem with incontinence btw, though that did take me a wee while to get to grip with that after my prang to the head. Fill your boots man. 😉

  467. CameronB Brodie says:

    Did I take that too far? 🙂

    How phenomenology can help us learn from the experiences of others

  468. boris says:

    Prince Andrew’s female bodyguard has been caught having sex on film at Britain’s biggest VIP orgy. Firearms cop Sarah Cox was snapped romping at the sex party alongside 300 other swingers. After tearing off her clothes, WPC Cox – who also guards PM Tony Blair at Chequers – and her cop boyfriend plunged into the orgy on a 20ft by 14 ft steel-reinforced bed.

  469. Stoker says:

    jfngw wrote on 3 July, 2020 at 9:17 pm

    “Newsquest have announced substantial redundancies, they have realised you don’t need actual journalists to regurgitate press releases from political parties.”

    Correct! They don’t! Not when they have utter arseholes such as you spreading their clickbait shite, crapping all over Scotland as part of the organ determined to silence and crush us, Scotland and our favourite indy blogs such as WOS. An establishment that is attempting to pick off all our big hitters – Salmond, Campbell and Murray etc, one by one. So if my response to you seems disrespectful, tough shit, that’s because it’s intentional just like what you are repeatedly doing on a regular basis.

    You’re also inconsiderate and disrespectful towards those on here who try 24/7 to avoid doing what you’re doing under your various nom de plumes. Now take your Britnat Guardian rag, your wine and alcoholism and gtf into some dark corner. What does it take to get it through to you thick twats who do this? Unless you are a Britnat &/or you work in that corrupt industry?

    Folks reading this thread, if you’re not in the know, direct links such as the ones ginswig posts @ 12:05 am help to raise advertising revenue for those companies and have the potential to pull in new readers &/or subscriptions. All benefits to the Britnat war on Scottish independence. Certain fake intellectual snobs on here and elsewhere claiming to be indy supporters continue to post these links, despite knowing all this, as their ego’s and superiority complexes are more important than indy.

    Please do what you can to not click on them. The ‘Dead Tree Scrolls’ (hard copy newspapers) are all at deaths door for a multitude of reasons but make no mistake online is the future and these BUM rag companies are vying to get established as serious contenders in the online battles for readership and power. Folk such as ginswig are helping those very same outlets who all helped destroy our 2014IndyRef. Don’t believe me? Go look at this blogs several thousand articles of evidence.

    And some wonder why we are not independent yet. Thick Brits are not the problem, it’s the inability for us to pull as one as often demonstrated by the likes of Ginswig & Co. It has been a major problem in Scotland for as far back as anyone can remember. Think about that!

  470. Stoker says:

    Folks, one more reminder regarding the crap Ginswig spouts about folk blocking the adverts:

    (a) You can’t block clicking on the link and
    (b) You can’t block folk from taking out subscriptions and
    (c) Once posted you have absolutely no idea how far that link will travel, including being lifted from here and posted elsewhere etc.

  471. defo says:

    Yes SC, he most likely will. Dirty Dom will advise so.

    Apart from project Boris, what is his game?
    Why the headlong rush to no deal?
    The City, first and always.

    The game? UK plc,money launderers to the World.

  472. mike cassidy says:

    For those wondering who ‘Helen’ was on the radio

  473. schrodingers cat says:


    regards clickbait, there is nothing i dont agree with you about the deadtree press and the nature of online msm. we should avoid directly linking to their sites and use archive etc.
    you’re not the 1st to point this out, and probably not the last.

    however, your call for us to unite, while very welcome, could you not have been a little less brutal on @fjnwg? it might have been a more unifying tact to take?

  474. schrodingers cat says:

    defo says:
    Yes SC, he most likely will.
    then it would be logical to assume that if he intends to defy democracy and deny our sovereignty when this senario unfolds, he would more than likely pre empt this situation ever arising?

    thats why i think the only thing stopping him doing it now, is the virus?

    the tories are desperate to move on from the virus so they can start the attack on nicola, see murdos deleted tweet tonight,

    the phoney war is definately over

  475. CameronB Brodie says:

    An approach to law that accommodate genderwoowoo, poses a serious threat to open democracy amd constitutional justice, as it enables the male colonisation of what is properly womanhood’s legal domain. Pretty much as British nationalism does to Scottish democracy, which Westminster has chosen to subourdinate to the cultural demands of right-wing populist English/British nationalism..

    Full text.

    Modelling Democratic Secession in International Law

    *Steven Wheatley, ‘Modelling Democratic Secession in International Law’ in Stephen Tierney (ed.), Nationalism and Globalisation: New Settings, New Challenges (Oxford: Hart, forthcoming).

    Nationalism, in the words of Anthony Smith, is the belief that all those who share a common history and culture should be ‘autonomous, united and distinct in their recognised homelands’.1

    It is a modern phenomenon that concerns, generally speaking, the demand by a group for a State, by virtue of the fact that the group is a ‘Nation’. The claim is advanced in two related steps: first, that each Nation is, if it so chooses, entitled to its own State, and, second, the territorial State in which the Nation is located enjoys limited, if any, authority over certain subjects, by virtue of the ethnic, religious, and linguistic differences between the centre and the relevant group.2

    The manifestation of a sentiment of national self-determination is a reaction by the periphery to the homogenizing efforts of the language and culture of the centre, and a conflict over the assertion of political authority and the place and meaning of the boundary between the centre and the Nation.

  476. schrodingers cat says:

    Stoker says:
    4 July, 2020 at 1:00 am
    Folks, one more reminder regarding the crap Ginswig spouts about folk blocking the adverts:

    (a) You can’t block clicking on the link and
    (b) You can’t block folk from taking out subscriptions and
    (c) Once posted you have absolutely no idea how far that link will travel, including being lifted from here and posted elsewhere etc.


    once again, there is nothing to argue against here, it is a self evident truth

    pls use archive

    anyone want to link or do an instruction post for wingers to do this?

    this is important so waken up at the back there

  477. K1 says:

    Click on any link whether here or an article you want to post on here, just go to the address bar of said article, highlight the address and copy it, if the link is on here, highlight the link and right click, option to copy from drop down menu.

    Then open archive dot is:

    Paste the copied address/link into the bar and click ‘save’.

    Bookmark so it’s just a matter of opening it when you need it, bookmark to favourites then it’s much easier to source it quickly.

  478. twathater says:

    Ian B thanks for your links Ian re the GRA debate on talk radio they were very informative , the caller Marion was exceptional as was the trans female Helen , the only critique was that it took an English female to highlight the Hate Crime Bill being pushed in Scotland

  479. Sensibledave says:

    Mike d 5.34

    …. ah … fame at last. I am now being quoted as a result of my stunning insight.

    Who knows, maybe CBB will start posting interminable links to my learned uttering so that the masses become educated.

  480. ahundredthidiot says:

    BDTT @ 22:32

    I am happy for you and your father in law – i hope all goes well.

    I have been trying to get my own father in laws appointment reinstated – end of next week is earliest they can get him in.

    He was told in April not to come in and was handed telephone numbers for McMillan nurses if his cancer has returned.

    We think it has. End of next week is earliest. sooner would’ve suited my ‘agenda’. All lives are equal – I am angry that he may now die because of some hysteria over a virus as deadly as flu.

  481. Capella says:

    @ Ian Brotherhood – just catching up – the Marion on the Talk Radio show will be Marion Calder. she introduced herself as a co-founder of For Women Scotland, scroll down for conveners:

  482. Capella says:

    ahundredthidiot 8:22 pm effijy
    with respect – you are asking the wrong question.
    the question you should be asking is ‘what are the flu deaths for 2020?’

    The Covid-19 virus is not a flu virus. It’s a coronavirus, like the common cold. Also like SARS and MERS. The common cold is more infectious but not deadly. SARS and MERS are less infectious but more deadly. MERS kills 30% of people who catch it.

    The flu virus is called H1 N1,2,3,4,5,…. Some strains are more deadly than others. It’s possible to inoculate people against this virus but, so far, not coronaviruses.

    Flu comes from birds and crosses into the human population. Coronaviruses come form bats droppings into pigs and other farmed animals.

    Ebola and Zika and Herpes Zoster (shingles) are also different viruses. You don’t want to get any of them either but if you had chickenpox as a child you already have the herpes zoster virus.

    Flu infections will also be lower than normal this year on account of the lockdown. So if you want to compare deaths you have to compare Covid-19 with the common cold and note that the lockdown will have reduced both.

    You can check all this with the aid of google.

    You’re welcome

  483. jfngw says:


    I was going to give a considered response but I think just piss off seems good enough. The unacceptable face of independence, the control freak, the tin foil hat brigade, I think that sums you up.

    You also seem too stupid to understand a tongue in cheek remark.

  484. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @twathater (3.34) and Capella (8.38) –

    Thanks both.


  485. CameronB Brodie says:

    “Who knows, maybe CBB will start posting interminable links to my learned uttering so that the masses become educated.”

    If dave was a democrat, he’d support Natural Law, John Locke, universal human right, and Scottish indy., However, dave is a culturally-bound English Toryboy who supports British nationalism, which currently articulates expansionist English nationalism and cultural authoritarianism a.k.a. English fascism. No doubt he’ll be along in a minute to claim he knows better and that I’m the fascist.


  486. CameronB Brodie says:

    Ian Brotherhood
    Are you not speaking to me?

  487. wee monkey says:

    Joseph says:
    3 July, 2020 at 7:40 am

    “The FBI have got the Pervy Prince’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell in jail at the moment.

    They have threatened her with twenty years permanent residency in an American jail if she is found guilty of child trafficking.

    But a favourite trick of the FBI is to offer a plea bargain.

    They will put to her that if she tells them everything she knows about Prince Andrew and Epstein they will offer her a light prison sentence or even a pardon.

    Watch this space.”

    And it appears she is indeed talking!

  488. Astonished says:

    Firstly Schrodingers cat : I assume you’re here or there. I much prefer there.

    Secondly on Mark McDonald if he sues I will donate to a fundraiser.
    Derek MacKay proves one law for the woke : Another for the rest of us.
    Finally, President Biden has let them loose on the English Imperialists.
    How young were the girls involved with prince andrew ? If Joe Biden doesn’t find out , I am sure Kamala Harris will.

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