The poisoned pens
Scotland’s media is still unable to contain its outpouring of bitter, resentful rage over Alex Salmond’s exoneration by a jury on trumped-up sexual assault charges.
Flailing blindly in all directions it’s achieving little other than to embarrass itself, such as last night when Scotland On Sunday had to change its front page in a late panic. But the media’s toxic fury at being denied Salmond’s head on a pole has also led it to do something far, far more serious and reckless.
And every one of them knows exactly what they’ve done.
As Kenny Farquharson of the Times pointed out in the above tweet from Thursday, it is a very serious criminal offence to publish information which enables a person whose anonymity is protected by a court order to be identified by a third party – even if the information does not in itself directly identify the person.
For obvious reasons this phenomenon is known by the term “jigsaw identification”, because it’s providing pieces which alone do not show the full picture, but when added together might as well be a full LinkedIn bio and a picture of their house.
All nine of the women who accused Alex Salmond are still protected by a court order hiding their identities. The Crown Office And Procurator Fiscal Service (COPFS) felt it was necessary to remind people of that fact just days ago, and to explain why.
And yet in the intervening time, almost all of Scotland’s newspapers have repeated a piece of information which would enable anyone, in a matter of seconds, to identify not just one of the complainers, but one who is at the very heart of the alleged conspiracy to have Alex Salmond wrongfully convicted.
It is a piece of information which was revealed in the court, but should not have been reported, just as large parts of the proceedings were banned from being discussed in the public domain. At least two reporters were chastised and/or removed from the court during the trial for actions which risked identifying a witness directly or indirectly.
Ironically, the Scottish media has been fulminating self-righteously against people who did NOT identify anyone in the way almost every newspaper now has.
No prior knowledge of the case would be required to utilise the information. Armed with a single sentence from any of the articles, a newly-arrived alien from the Andromeda galaxy could type just TWO WORDS – the two most obvious ones – into Google and immediately be presented with the name of the woman in question, in circumstances putting it beyond any doubt whatsoever that she was the person being discussed.
We’ve already been contacted by a number of people expressing their shock, who were all able with no prior knowledge to correctly identify the woman using that one piece of information alone. Some have also volunteered, unsolicited, their willingness to provide an affidavit to that effect if requested.
The contempt of court is SO blatant that this site isn’t going to even quote the specific paragraphs or sentences in question for fear of repeating the contempt. All that we’re willing to do is list – for the benefit of the COPFS – all of the people who’ve put her anonymity at risk, and the articles in which they did so. When the articles in question are removed, so will the references to them here be.
We’re also not going to link to any the scores of articles which the piece of information “unlocks” to provide the name of the woman by completing the jigsaw. Nothing in this article adds any information whatsoever to the public domain which hasn’t already been put there by all of these newspapers.
(For that reason, we believe it would in fact be perfectly lawful for us to screenshot the offending paragraphs. However, while we consider the woman in question to be a malicious liar who deliberately and knowingly colluded in an attempt to imprison an innocent man for political reasons, we still respect her right to the protection of the law more than the Scottish media who hypocritically laud her “bravery” do.)
NB If you determine the woman’s identity after reading this piece, DO NOT post the name in the comments, obviously. If you wish to discuss it, use the Contact form.
We take this extraordinary step in the hope of impressing the seriousness of the matter on the collective Scottish media, in the hope they will stop repeatedly endangering the woman’s anonymity. So far their complacency about the situation is breathtaking. In Garavelli’s case she has repeated the identification today even after being repeatedly told what she’d done the first time her article was published.
(So astonishingly transparent is the identification, as correctly deciphered by numerous completely unqualified readers of this site, that we must conclude she had it “legalled” by some passing small drunk children, or perhaps a badger.)
In the view of David Leask the people below are “bloggers, conspiracists and general scumbags”. In the opinion of Kenny Farquharson and Dani Garavelli, they all deserve a jail sentence. This site prefers to leave that decision to the proper authorities, and we have accordingly passed all of the information in this article to COPFS and the police.
They are, in alphabetical order:
Kieran Andrews (the Times), here and here.
Steve Bird (Telegraph), here.
Severin Carrell, (Guardian), here.
Mure Dickie (Financial Times), here.
Kenny Farquharson (Times), here.
Dani Garavelli (Tortoise Media, Scotland On Sunday), here and here.
Paul Hutcheon (Daily Record), here.
Magnus Linklater (Times), also here and here.
Izzy Lyons (Telegraph), also here.
David Mackay (Press & Journal), here.
Cameron
As a uk citizen, as decided by the majority of SCOTTISH voters, you have exactly the same human rights as me. Grow up.
If the Scottish Parliament can hold referendums, what I’d really like answered is:
Why didn’t the SP hold a referendum on Devo-Max following the indyref result instead of the pathetic Smith Commission stitch up?
As the SNP assert they believe the people of Scotland are sovereign, Why didn’t the SP hold a referendum on whether Scotland should remain in the EU?
(Assuming a YES win) Then mount a legal constitutional challenge to the Lisbon Treaty Art. 50 withdrawal from the EU vote by UK parliament, as constitutionally unlawful, as Scotland’s sovereign people had voted to remain in the EU.
My answers would be: because the SNP tell gullible indy supporters what they want to hear.
The SNP talk sovereignty to indy supporters but by their actions the SNP are loyal British colonial subjects, when they represented Scotland to the UK and EU.
Sensibledave
It is the English electorate who will remove Scotland from the EU, despite every electoral ward in Scotland voting to remain in the EU. That indicates Westminster does not consider those living in Scotland to possess a legally defensible identity. That’s not consistent with the moral law reading of the British constitution, and is incompatible with social democracy.
You’re a patronising wank dave, live with it or do better.
highseastim
I can understand that. I am also concerned about the lack of PPE for NHS staff and also carers and their clients.
Home Care personal care services provided by Glasgow City Council and other councils, as well as carers working in care homes in the private sector have failed to provide adequate PPE so place carers and clients at higher risk of catching or transmitting Covid-19.
The AIMSIB (independent doctors collective) has published an analysis well worth reading re the virus.
They speculate that the virus has already mutated a few times i.e there are now 4 versions of it!They show the differences in the genetic codes.
I personally worry that the toxic “cleaning” chemicals sprayed everywhere are creating worse versions of the virus and all sorts of bacteria too.
Could barely stay inside the bank office ,it was choking in there.Imagine in a care home…PHE said normal cleaning is enough.
i also wonder why the chemicals are not replaced with the uv c robot for sterilization of care homes /hospitals if only experimentally.Why never an article about it?
I will certainly not be out clapping my hands for BJ tomorrow night
I expect silence in my street
@ Dan.
Unfortunately I’m only about halfway through, Declaration of Arbroath deniers on Facebook have kept me occupied or should I say entertained. Very reminiscent of 2014, quite enjoyed it really.
Ill get back to the film tomorrow, bit more peace. Had a quick look at the synopsis for survivors, guess it would be YouTube now.
CBB
… nope. Scottish voters voted in the referendum to remain uk citizens and to have the same rights, one man , one vote, as me.
You appear to be arguing that Scottish voters should have the right of veto on any Westminster government!
More people in the south east of England voted Remain in the EU ref’ than in Scotland, were their human rights taken away … or were we just outvoted democratically?
You are full of S••t Csmmy. Lots of long words (cut and pasted btw, nothing original) but no cogent thought. Lots of bluff and bluster and then …. nothing.
Read the thread above and the previous threads. Complete shambles! The SNP is split from top to bottom. NS Is a “Yoon”. NS Is an MI5 plant. New young Indy voters are going to replace dying toons … except those young Indy voters also want GRA! AS Is gonna return and save you. A man who’s own solicitor described as sex pest? Really?
The independence movement would appear to be imploding all its own … without Westminster doing a thing.
As a final thought for tonight, to all those above wishing I’ll will on our Prime minister. Doubtless the screen shots of your magnanimous comments will be used to demonstrate the mindset of many independence supporters. I am sure that the average Scot will be drawn to such attractive traits. Or maybe not eh. I am sure you know what you are doing. Your tactics have worked well so far?
Same human rights,
If every Brexit vote in Scotland was for remain
It doesn’t matter if 60% of England’s votes were for Brexit.
Doesn’t work the other way around
I’d I was a Scottish MP voted in as Prime Minister
I wouldn’t be permitted to contribute on English legislation with EVEL.
If I want to open up Scotland’s doors for foreign Health Workers I cant
As the English say we can’t.
If I hold the Commonwealth games in Scotland it will receive no funding from Westminster
If you hold them in England -Birmingham you can get £72 million from Westminster.
If England wants to steal 6,000 square miles of Scottish waters they can
Scotland can’t even apply to get it back.
When corruption abounds at Westminster like the McCrone Report, Thatcher’s son getting government contracts without competition, the Dunblane Massacre, the Westminster Child abusers
Can all be made top secret so you can’t see how rotten Parliament is.
I and Scotland can’t do that.
I can’t apply for a US visa at an American embassy in Scotland.
I couldn’t stop the Poll Tax being applied to Scotland only for testing.
I’m getting tired of listing these things but have no doubt you have nothing like the equal rights of the English.
England is leaving Europe as they say its madness to have another country
Dictating your government policies. He forgot about Scotland- Again.
Tonto!
Where did you put the fecking mask?
Times have changed, Kemo Sabbe.
link to twitter.com
Some of the comments on this thread remind me.. we are a long way from the necessary environment of being able to make Independence a viable option. Take the country with you for the umpteenth time. I took a long time to get over the 2014 result. Scotland doesn’t consist of Yoons and Independistas. We are not a homogenous society. Persuade..Persuade..Persuade.
Effigy
… yes. Exactly the same human rights. We are the uk. You and I have exactly the same rights because Scotland voted to keep the same rights as me.
@mike cassidy
There’s some crackers there, but I still reckon I could take them…
self isolate – Self Isolate – SELF ISOLATE
link to twitter.com
All that effort I put in and she only got one fuckin like! lol
Effigy
Time to put up or shut up. Name me one human right that I have that you don’t have.
@ Dave the Hypocrite.
The fact that Scotland is out voted on all parameters makes the notion of democracy in the UK a joke. However we do have a veto. We denied the Queen the right to sign the Withdrawal Bill, which was a clear violation of our Sovereign right, that makes the bill unlawful. This is an issue that will have to be dealt with either through the Scottish Parliament or directly through the courts, and I would remind you that neither the Crown nor Parliament are above the law.
Auntie’s keeping her knickers firmly on with regards to the Vorlich 3.
As are the ‘journalists ‘ herein mentioned.
Over the bridge to Fife BAD. V v bad.
Arrochar Alps still open ?
Sensibledave
You are arguing from the perspective of British constitutionalism and sovereignty of parliament. Scotland does not locate sovereignty the same way as England. Scotland locates sovereignty and political power, in the individual.
You are seeking to defend constitutional majoritarianism that would redefine Scotland’s legal identity. That’s not consistent with liberal constitutionalism.
You are either rather obtuse or incredibly thick, dave.
Is there a psychiatrist in the house for Davy Ricket.
FFS What an imbecile.
Is cognitive reading too much to ask for.
Hi Sensibledave at 11:50 pm.
You typed,
“You appear to be arguing that Scottish voters should have the right of veto on any Westminster government!”
That is the case. Under the terms of The Treaty of Union (1707), the two legal systems, Scots Law and English Law, were protected for evermore.
Under Scots Law, the people of Scotland are sovereign, not the monarch.
If a majority of Scots disagree with an English/Westminster decision, then we have the right, under our legal system, to reject it.
BBC. Continue to use Nightingale Hospital Glasgow.
The death rate in the original Nightingale hospital in Crimea was 52% and alarmed the British Army HQ so much they despatched an enquiry team but the war ended before they completed their inspection.
@ gus1940:
“Why could they not have along with the French set up a defensive line round the Dunkirk area instead of running away.”
I think the problem was, that the German army was so far ahead of the British army in both equipment and tactics at that stage of the war, that it would have been a complete massacre, had the whole British army tried to fight them off.
Remember the Chamberlain “peace in our time” nonsense meant that the UK was not properly prepared for a fight.
Lions lead by donkeys, again and again!
Boris Johnson is sick.
How sick we are not being told as the press briefings feed us the pap about him being in fine spirits, in control, and only in hospital for a few tests whereas he is actually in intensive care.
Latest statistics record that over 50% of people who go into intensive care die whilst 70% of those who die are men. Such statistics reinforce the gravity of the illness. So yes we should not misunderstand how Ill the PM may be. Trump understood that when early yesterday he made a statement about hoping his great friend would recover. But of course, unlike the fake news fed Great British public, Trump would have known the true health of Boris Johnson?
So who will replace Johnson if he were to die. Someone else who was equally committed to the policy of austerity, universal credit, benefit sanctions, reduction of state support and the underfunding of the NHS.
Another prime minister equally committed to helping exclude foreign doctors and nurses and making life as difficult as possible for foreign workers through the hostile environment.
Another prime minister who could could preside over staggering national shortages of essential health equipment.
Yes, let us all express our outpouring of support for Boris Johnson as a son, a father, a brother but let us not either forget the others who are equally suffering through him and his conservative government’s brutal economic and social policies.
Dominic Cummings horrendous quip about it all being about herd immunity, protecting the economy, and if a few pensioners die too bad, rings loud at this terrible time.
Even if Boris does not die, his catching the illness should be treated as an act of war and/or multiple counts of gross negligence by the agencies that exposed him to the risk in the first place.
Odd nonetheless that he went to a hospital named after doubting Thomas and not the one built specially for the illness.
Also odd that Catherine Calderwood was given a police warning for doing something specifically excused (moving between houses that she had the right to live in) in the unlawful legislation
Today is the 35th anniversary of the killing of Willie MacRae. One cannot help but wonder what he would have made of the Bute House trout hatchery.
Just for clarity, Alex Salmond did use a Section 30 Agreement to hold the 2014 Referendum, but Section 30 is Section 30 of the 1998 Scotland Act. It was not an ad hoc arrangement cooked up between himself and David Cameron.
In my humble opinion, back in 2014, Scotland wasn’t sufficiently constitutionally aware even to consider holding a referendum outside the strictures conventional government. 2014 was a celebration of hope and optimism, but not properly rebellion.
2020 might be different.
In 2014, nobody wanted to hear criticism of the media. It was a crank notion in 2014, but finally, the greater majority of the people seem to have tuned in to sophistry and indoctrination that is oozing from their TV’s and radios, and what is laughingly called newspapers. People forget what 2014 was like. The Establishment propaganda now being held in such contempt by the people is an important new phenomenon that is unlike 2014.
Perhaps it goes too far, and the perfidious news industry has destroyed it’s integrity beyond Scotland. Maybe it is not a unique phenomenon. What is perhaps unique to Scotland is that a propagandist media in it’s death throws is an ailment in their grotesque monster, it’s not ‘our’ anything, and many of us would welcome it’s collapse and failure. It would hardly be the loss of a news service anyway.
I “think”, it’s early days, but I think the YES of 2020, maybe 2021, will also be different. Pantone 300 seems a little darker, because there is rebellion in the air. If the UK Government would accede to a referendum, we’ll have one anyway. If the SNP are useless, then we’ll form a new Independence Party that isn’t useless.
Maybe in 2014 we were the mash that in 2020 is finally fermenting into whisky.
Just like criticism of the media was running uphill in 2014, so was trying to open people’s eyes to Scotland’s sovereign constitution. Nobody wanted to listen.
But now, at last, people are beginning to listen. You see more and more people talking about sovereignty, and in it’s correct context too. People are ‘getting it’.
Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty is powerful and indelible. In time, I believe Scotland will recognise our media, news, and politics are so riven with dishonesty and conspiracy that they are dysfunctional, and our entire democracy is broken. Perhaps then, Scotland will finally be persuaded to put it’s faith in our Law and sovereign Constitution, and trust that to bring down this obscene fallacy of Union.
The Union is a manipulative parasite which stifles Scotland’s democracy and self defence. The Establishment has us trapped believing this is a catch 22 situation; we can only use our democracy to save our democracy from the affliction which paralyses that democracy. How can our paralysed democracy ever hope to be unparalysed?
The solution is right in front of us. Use our Constitution, our SOVEREIGN Constitution to repel the parasite which suppress our defence mechanisms while it sucks the life from us.
I know, legal autocracy is not the way of the democrats, it is unpalatable, I know. But trapped as we are in a compromised and manipulated democracy, an emergency Constitutional adjudication that is specific to Scottish Sovereignty won’t be the end of our democracy, it will be it’s salvation and freedom. Don’t manage what ails us, cure it.
It’s maybe flippant to say it, but maybe we need to switch Scotland off and back on again, and let our Nation re-boot from it’s most basic primary Constitutional essentials. Keep the bits we like, purge the crap that chokes the system.
@Breeks – of course as you know Breeks, a S30 is only one route. It only applies to devolved government. As you suggest, other paths are available.
OT.
Fk sake. Another comment with at least half a dozen words missing.
Wtf is wrong with me? Why are so many typos and missing words invisible to my eyes until I hit ‘submit comment’? I am literally reading what I write, LOOKING for mistakes, but see none. My brain seems to reading what I meant to say rather than what my eyes are actually seeing. Fk me it’s annoying,… but it’s every fkg time!!!
Fair do’s maybe 10-15% or errors are down to asinine spell correctors replacing whole words by themselves, but wtf? Am I normal but just extra sloppy? Lazy and inattentive? Is it a mild dyslexia or something? Or some kind of brain malfunction I should see a doctor about? I cannot seem to train myself out of it, and yes I do concentrate and I do try to pay attention.
I KNOW there will be an error in this. Even though I’ve read it five times now and don’t see any… but when I hit the green button… they appear and scream at me.
Breeks says:
7 April, 2020 at 8:56 am
… LOOKING for mistakes, but see none. My brain seems to BE reading what….
AAAAARRRRGGGGHHH!
Fair do’s maybe 10-15% OF errors…
Sigh….
We need two separate parts to the running of Scotland, one for the day to day running of the country the logistical side of looking after the people, then the Political side whole not bow down to another country’s whims of how we should live, patriots who will fight for Scotland’s interests 110 percent, 25 hours a day,366 days a year.
O/T Immunisation particularly BCG for TB is being studied urgently as there are indications that people in countries that had a BCG programme are ten times less likely to acquire and also to die from Covid19.
Scotland and Ireland had extensive BCG because TB was very prevalent rest of UK not so much. India and many African countries had BCG programmes but Spain,Italy USA not routine. BCG also used to fight bowel cancer and there is a shortage of BCG in US but India helping them out.
There is even a view that ANY immunisation challenges and strengthens the immune system so make sure your children get immunised and do not listen to the nutters.
Breeks, don’t forget about that trusty spellchecker.
Anyone heard anything about the health of Union Jack?
Breeks – elsewhere (particularly FB) I can re-read and correct errors after fifteen or twenty minutes. I believe that after typing the mind sees what it intended to write, and needs a while to refresh or re-load. It doesn’t happen with hand-written text, I may try that route, longhand then copy.
It’s not only you.
So De Pfeffle is in ITU, and no doubt will take some time to recuperate. I envusage a Tory leadership and PM change coming. Surviving severe, Corona knocks the proverbial stuffing out of you for a long time. Takes time for the body to fully recover.
In that light, it is interesting, is it not, that in the last two days, a certain careerist Ruth Davidson has been all over the airwaves. National TV yesterday, Lorrain Kelly today. Lengthy TV slots.
I think I read it correctly. The craven nature of some careerist Tories beggars belief.
Breeks at 809am,
Quote “Pantone 300 seems a little darker, because there is rebellion in the air.”
Excellent stuff.
Just read someone else’s copy of the Glasgow Times.
It cost 70p and the pensioner who buys it likes their crossword. And
And uses the TV guide.
It’s a fest if we sacked nasty chief medical officer and SNP are bad.
Page after page after page of reporters and Red and Blue Tory politicians.
5 pages of colouring in and crosswords
8 pages of sport making it look obvious that there is no sport.
They now specialise on old Glasgow pictures from their files and carefully
Selected readers letters who must have SNP Bad in if its to be printed.
Not so many Adverts In it now as you must be mad to think many people
Would waste 70p on this astonishingly poor Herald propaganda supplement.
Terrible waste of a healthy tree!
Subservient Scot and TV Millionaire gushing as the Tory House Boy
Ruth Kim Jun Un Davidson is coming on to speak about poor Boris ?
Really? They made it perfectly clear they couldn’t stand each other and she
Stepped down knowing Scotland would react to how disrespectful he was to
Scotland. To use his words he would put Scots in a ghetto and eliminate them!
There is a clue in there about Scotland’s future under this clown.
Can’t Stand Lorraine Kelly, Boris or Ruthless so I can’t risk being sick if
I should witness them both live bombing the architect of NHS’ demise.
I note that no one had come up with a human right that I have, that Scots don’t.
Clearly, you have said this stuff so many times, unchallenged, you started to believe it.
I also note that many of your arguments hark back to times when laws were made by kings and queens, where in unelected lords and lairds ran the show, and where ordinary folk had little or no say. You prefer times if subjugation rather than Scots determining their future at a ballot box in a referendum on independence. Go figure!
What`s the script wi masks,
aye or no,
wish someone would make there mind up.
@Effijy
Stopped buying the Ev Times years ago, along with the Rutherglen Reformer, they just drip of unionism. I admit the Times crossword is the easiest I’ve ever encountered, I just assumed it was the level of difficulty unionists could cope with.
Also the so called Rutherglen Reformer no longer has any physical presence in Rutherglen, probably is just a single person in his bedroom now sending his stories to HQ. I think most of these local papers are owned by one of the larger ones now (Daily Record I think for the Reformer, imagine you could believe it’s impartiality with that owner). Last time I saw one James Kelly still had a column, even after he was ousted from the constituency.
So the unions foot soldiers in Scotland the O/O are calling for a special parade through Scotland to celebrate all that the Tories are doing for us right now.
Its a kin to wayward Venezuelans demanding a day of celebration for US President Trump.
I doubt the O/O will call for a day of mourning for all the folk who’ve died indirectly due to the decade of Tory austerity.
@ Dave the Hypocrite
would have you believe that somehow it is unique to Scotland that we hark back to ancient times, that our laws and traditions don’t count because antiquity has made them irrelevant, because lords and barons made those laws they should be discounted. He would have you forget the celebrity status of the Magna Carta and the current house of lords, unelected but still deemed relevant to democracy UK style. None so blind eh.
Breeks
link to wingsoverscotland.com
This, yet again.
Golf nut
You have chosen to miss my point. Of course we have laws that go back to those times. However, if the “people” vote to change things then clearly that takes precedence … or it should … unless you favour tyranny.
… still no one demonstrates differing human rights.
Ian Brotherhood,
I watched the video last night.
Fascinating, scary and inevitable.
Watching it put me in mind of Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine and as they say in the video “never let a crisis go to wastel”.
When our focus is collectively on one thing our civil liberties are eroded by the powers that be, as we witnessed the day after our independence referendum with EVEL. That particular kick in the teeth would have been unthinkable before the referendum but it was their opportunity to give us one more kick when we were on the canvas.
Back to the video, as Capella points out much of our information is available to our governments and the corporate world.
Our privacy will continue to be eroded until we have none, the digital ID is part of that. It will track where you have been for how long and with who. The technology is already in use and is not in itself a bad thing but it will certainly be misused by our lords and masters.
That is what I see as scary and inevitable.
Scot Finlayson says:
7 April, 2020 at 10:01 am
What`s the script wi masks…
Don’t know, but IF you wear a mask, and you’re exposed to virus, doesn’t your mask become a thing you need to decontaminate? Won’t the virus you maybe stopped going in your mouth just be sitting there on the mask when you put in on again? Shouldn’t a mask be used Only once then either sterilised or replaced?
So a mask used correctly should be a help to reduce risk, but used incorrectly when stocks are low and in short supply, maybe it could potentially make things worse. If you cannot trust millions of people to cope with the hygiene factor, maybe no masks is the lesser of two evils. But I don’t know…
If you choose to wear a mask, have a regime to keep it clean, replace it or clean it in between every use and possible exposure. The rumours of nurses having to wear the same mask for days seems horrific. I hope they can sterilise the masks between shifts… washing it, or UV on a washing line… I don’t know, does overnight in a deep freeze kill virus like it does bacteria?
Wash your hands, wash your face, wash your mask if you use one. Same deal.
Face Masks.
So many experts say that they do little so why is it every
Health and care worker must have one.
I’d tell everyone to wear them if you have them even if it only makes
You feel better about having to go shopping.
I’ve seen pensioners with no protection lifting packs of mince and
Holding them 6 inches from their face to read the sell by date.
Having touched packs and breathed all over them I’d hope they are not
Covers in the virus for the next shopper.
I’d like that pensioner to wear a mask and gloves.
Many of us take precautions but not the 100% precautions.
If you wore a mask and gloves do you bin them outside your home?
Are you able to use anti bacterial wash as you enter?
Do you realise the virus could be on your carrier bags, especially handles.
Are you wiping down all of the tins and packages you purchased as you don’t
Know who touched them?
If you have a newspaper delivered do you wipe that down?
It will have been in a floor, in a van and touched by others unknown when you get it.
I’m running out of everything that I need for doing all that so as the contamination figures grow
How can I expect the shelf stacker or delivery lad never to catch and pass the virus?
Can I chip in about the absurdity of the Tesco process.
The ask you to take your trolley up to a cleansing station where they wipe the handle for you.
Don’t they see that a customer who has the virus still has it an hour later when finished shopping
They put their trolly back outside where the metal frame slips into the trolley in front and someone
Pushes another into it.
The carrier will have touched the metal frame and put items touched into it.
The next person touches these trollies and has the virus on their hands as they
Go to get the handle wiped down.
I’m being pickie here but we are only fooling ourselves that our attempts at precaution are all they
Should be with a killer virus that is spreading like wildfire.
Just watched about half an hour of Oor Loraine’s TV show and Last Night I saw Trevor McDonald front an ITV promo, the theme of which was “It is our duty to tell you how to think…and yours to comply”.
Not sure that Independence alone is a big enough bomb to put underneath this lot.
Am I alone in being under the impression that Super-Scot Kelly lives in Dundee and commutes to London for work? – I see her daughter speaks like an Eastenders cast member.
A friend called me to say his family are worried sick about a family
Member who was backpacking in the Philippines.
He and other Brits are stuck there but desperate for weeks to come home.
The Embassy is closed and staff on the phone really don’t give a damn and
Offer no advice or help but just want their own door locked to keep everyone out.
I heard the same story about the Embassy in Peru where hundreds were stranded for weeks.
Yesterday Rabb was bragging how great the Tories are that they have chartered planes and brought many back. Yes but weeks after they appealed for help and the Embassy had ignored them.
Other nations reacted much better and some even let Brits board to get nearer home.
Yet another abject failure for the Tories that won’t see the light of day if UK Media has anything to do with it.
Wee Ginger Dugs article in the National newspaper really hits home in my opinion. There were no offical events to cancel the 700th anniversay of the signing of the Declaration of Arbroath.
In contrast the 800th anniversary of Englands Magna Carta in 2015, saw special coins minted, special commemorative stamps issued by the Royal Mail, BBC documetaries fronted by Melvyn Bragg and David Starky, RAF fly past Buckingham Palace, a parade of schoolchildren bearing specially designed flags to commemorate the signing of the Mana Carta.
Commerative events at Westminster, special artworks commissioned to commemorate the Magna Carta, and a whole host of other events and slots on tv programmes to do with the signing of the document.
What is wrong with the people of Scotland I ask, have we been so much subsumed by all things English that we don’t care about our own history, and the part it played in shaping not just Scots but Scotland as a whole.
None of us will be around to see the 800th anniversay of the Declaration of Arbroath, I wonder how Scotland will fair then, if it isn’t absorbed completely by England before then.
link to thenational.scot
And by the way… I have a little alarm bell ringing that “mash” fermenting into Whisky is an Americanism… Mash whisky is bourbon and “stuff”. I think the Scottish Malt method is different, but I’m circling the drain of not knowing what I’m talking about…
Republicofscotland says:
7 April, 2020 at 10:46 am
None of us will be around to see the 800th anniversay of the Declaration of Arbroath, I wonder how Scotland will fair then, if it isn’t absorbed completely by England before then.
I’ll settle for most of us being around for the first anniversary of Scottish Independence. I reckon one candle on the cake will look absolutely fine. 😉
But, if COV19 has kinda rained on our 700th Anniversary Parade, don’t forget, the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath wasn’t recognised by the Pope until 1328, so with all due cause and legitimacy, we could have a wee bit of a bash in 2028… the 700th Anniversary of Scotland’s Declaration securing International Recognition.
Re “ Colonel Blimp 1V @1033 a.m. “ .How ironic talking to her daughter from the “ Sovereign “ City state of Singapore that her daughter pointed out how they could do things differently / more effectively from the “ U.K.” because they were so much smaller ( or words to that effect) .
Day by day the “ Breeks Sovereignty argument” makes more sense for our country.
Breeks @11.02am.
Even though Covid-19 has spoiled our chances of celebrating enmasse the 700th anniversay of the Declaration of Arbroath, bear in mind and think about this, the Scottish government, that supposedly wants Scottish independence didn’t need to cancel any commemorative events with regards to the anniversary, for they planned none.
Just how could a party whose raison ?etre, is (again supposedly) Scottish independence first and foremost, fail so miserably to organise any events fir the most important missive in Scottish history.
What does that say about the SNP, if they’re not interested in our history, what chance is their of converting others to our cause by knowning through knowing our past.
BBC news have managed to find Ruth Davidson as she’s on Bbc news channel live just now talking about Boris being in hospital , wonder if she can talk to her constituents . Talking her usual shite about bad Snp government as well .
Republic of Scotland 10.36am
The London Mint print commemorative gold coins for all things British.
They have coins to remember things like the DDay landings, Concorde, the Royal family.
And their most recent is not the 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath, it is to celebrate the song by Dame Vers Lynn, “we’ll meet again”.
This of course ties in with the Queen of England’s speech the other day.
So, as per usual, anything Scottish isn’t even an after thought from our Colonial masters.
link to m.facebook.com
Sensibledave says:
“I note that no one had come up with a human right that I have, that Scots don’t.”
You, as an Englishman, have the right to vote on your constitutional future, if that is what you as a nation want.
We Scots were and still are told, ‘now is not the time’
Effijy
Suitable industrial respirators are still available, especially at the higher end, as are goggles, paper suits with elasticated cuffs and hoods, disposable gloves may be harder to come by but any old gloves and wellies will do.
You can make an ad-hoc de-contamination station with a tray a pressurized weed-killer applicator and copious amounts of whatever disinfectant you can find, if you don’t fancy shelling out £300 or more on a proprietary kit.
But we will have to put our heads above the parapet sooner or later.
And if we catch the virus then … we would be more likely to die of embarrassment than anything else.
On a serious note, I agree with what you said about supermarkets, when livestock are threatened by an epidemic, on entering or leaving an enclosure you have to walk through a bath of disinfectant and spray the wheels of your vehicle to prevent transmission of any contaminants to or from the ground the animals may come in contact with.
One would not think it unreasonable to afford humans the same level of protection – i.e. no one allowed into a shop without a mask and fresh or decontaminated gloves and that the trolleys leaving the shop are disinfected thoroughly before being allowed to re-enter.
Sensibledave says:
7 April, 2020 at 9:59 am
I note that no one had come up with a human right that I have, that Scots don’t.
The right to be represented by governments the people of your own country voted for in a democratic election.
Two excellent columns from Wee Ginger Dug re The Declaration of Arbroath , this from yesterday which I admit brought a tear to my eyes reading it –
link to thenational.scot
And this from today –
link to thenational.scot
link to facebook.com
I see that ‘clap for Boris ‘ is trending on twitter. Trying to hijack the NHs initiative. There will be almost complete silence over Scotland.is there any connection between that and RUthless turning up again .
My hatred for Bojo and his cabinet of clowns is severe. I do not wish him harm in any way, however that a man who would have seen as much as 60% of the population infected is hospitalized by the same diseases rather fitting.
I would hope that he now is beginning to see the error of his judgement but I somehow doubt that in his case.
In the meantime, one of the russian news agency has reported that he is on a ventilator. The UK response? “It is Misinformation”. A telling response that they flat out did not deny it.
It took Iran 4 weeks to progress from 8k to 50k cases. The UK has done it in 2 weeks, and in the meantime one by one the personal tragedies are starting to trickle in. Most of us by now will know of at least 1 person who has suffered from this disease and I suspect by the time it is under control we shall all know of at least 1 person who has died of it.
Meanwhile the Swedish government has applied for additional powers as a recognition that their current strategy is not working.
A Scottish based MP cannot be Prime Minister
Due to EVEL. They could not participate in English only matters.
A basic right denied to Scots.
Rev, it is good practice to confer unionist idiots but some are just
Mindless zombies spoiling legitimate discussions.
I’d like to block them but they just come back under a new name
In a government approve e-mail address.
@Sensibledave
You have a guaranteed majority and we have weak leaders. Yes, I know we voted for no change in 2014.
‘There is nothing permanent except change.’
Heraclitus – who almost certainly was not trained by the Royal Town Planning Institute.
Breeks@ 10.49
I think breweries and distilleries the world over use the term mash for the stuff that they ferment into alcohol, the big tub that they put it in is called a “Mash Tun”.
If this goes into the “awaiting moderation pile” – something strange is going on.
Effijy says:
7 April, 2020 at 10:32 am
Face Masks.
Are you my undescovered twin? All these are exactly the procedures I’ve been following – since about the 10 March. I’m sole carer for a family member who has COPD. He doesn;t fancy his chances much if he catches this virus – and is convinced he’d be denied a ventilator because he is on benefits. Trying everything I can to keep him safe, including wearing masks, gloves and disinfecting absolutely everything. When I thought I was going to have to go into the surgery to collect his medication I was going to make myself a disposable suit out of bin bags. I’m sure I’ll be ridiculed but if I can keep my relative safe I don’t bloody care what people think. Apart from wanting to keep himalive I don’t want these b*****ds to have any opportunity to cull vulnerable members of society.
Stuart can you please unblock me on Twitter link to mobile.twitter.com I never swore at you and have always defended you I just want to read your shit
Marydoll says:
7 April, 2020 at 11:39 am
I see that ‘clap for Boris ‘ is trending on twitter. Trying to hijack the NHs initiative. There will be almost complete silence over Scotland.is there any connection between that and RUthless turning up again .
Really? I don’t remember a Clap for Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden and I won’t be clapping for this terrorist dictator either. No doubt some, the same who believe you should “never speak ill of the dead” will be out with their posts and pans. F**k ’em. I’m really pissed off at their hypocrisy.
effigy 11.35
“A Scottish based MP cannot be Prime Minister Due to EVEL. They could not participate in English only matters.”
… totally and utterly wrong sir.
Try again.
A basic issue that you keep refusing to accept is that all EVEL laws can only be passed by the FULL House – just like any other law. Scottish, Welsh and NI MPs vote to pass or not pass in exactly the same way. The only thing that is different is English MPS get a chance to discuss things on their own. You will forgive me therefore for saying if that is the best you can come up with .. then you have got nothing.
@ Dave the Hypocite
The tyranny of Brexit perhaps, where not only has our expressed will been ignored but the withdrawal bill was amended to remove the necessity for consent. We reject that as has our Parliament.
After being told that we must put the thought of independence to one side and this was no time for politics. The BritNats have never stopped the politics of the union, they have tried to exploit every situation during this crisis to promote the union.
Did the Britnat parties care about the CMO going to her holiday home, it would seem unlikely as they were gallivanting in the hills in a group whilst the social distancing was being pushed on the populace, you were told not to visit your mother the same weekend. No they seen the opportunity of the CMO as the chance to strike a blow for the union and galvanised their colleagues in the MSM to lead the charge.
I don’t wish Boris Johnson any harm. I want him to be a better person, and for that, he needs to survive and begin to appreciate the NHS people who saved his life.
What I do want is the health of Boris Johnson to be where it belongs, in the ‘foreign affairs’ category of news.
And thanks Col.Blimp IV… mash was the word which came to mind, but then I registered there was a distinction between mash whisky and grain whisky, but I think that’s all American. Maybe I just confused myself.
I “think” a Malt Whisky has to be barley, and only barley, (pure malt) whereas mash whisky can be maize, rye, tattie peelings if you’re a POW, antifreeze and all kinds of stuff, and mixed ingredients. I think if I’m correct Bourbon is considered mash whisky. Jack Daniels is sour mash whisky, but I don’t know what makes it sour. Probably being a “whiskey” born in America and not Scotland. 🙂
Hi Malcolm at 11:58 am.
You typed,
“Stuart can you please unblock me on Twitter link to mobile.twitter.com I never swore at you and have always defended you I just want to read your shit”
Try logging out of Twitter, then going to
link to twitter.com
I don’t have a Twitter account and I can read his stuff ok.
Another great post Breeks.
I’ve always been pro indy Scotland since I could learn to think for myself but I had no idea about our sovereignty although I had heard of the declaration of Arbroath.
That, to me, is the big difference between Alex S and NS.
He used a section 30 at the time because it was the best option, then, the people needed reassured that this was legitimate.
Now, we are more informed, few trust the press, we laugh at all the unionist parties, we now know we are more powerful than we realised.
It’s NS who is the ultra conservative
I have read all the articles and for the life of me can’t fathom who these Women are. What am I doing wrong,
Yours
The alien from the Andromeda
Just received a letter from Boris advising on how to
Wash my hands and keep clear of the virus.
This of course means he has to resign as he hasn’t followed his own rules.
He demonstrated on TV that he hadn’t a clue of how to wash your hands and
He is recorded bragging about shaking hands with everyone in a Corona Virus Ward.
He has to go and I look forward to every form of UK media giving this priority for day after day
After day.
After him lying yesterday when saying he was fit to run the country.
That was one of his better lies having a double edged sword .
Bye Boris
Sensibledave
nice to see you back on shift
still cant see the english cases on their web site
“CLAP FOR BORIS”
What a terrific idea!
Anyone out there with access to a P.A.?
What better way to spend an evening, than to slowly cruise the streets urging the proles to come out and clap for Boris?
A posh English accent, accompanied by rousing “patriotic” music, not essential but would be an advantage.
Shug 12.21
… there’s is none so blind …
Well, told you so. The UK is looking at lifting the lockdown restrictions by June this year.
So France is looking at the schools going back May 4th
Germany, Italy and Spain are looking at lifting their lockdowns soon.
Exactly the timetable I said would happen.
France, Spain and Italy will be stupid to send anyone back anywhere until
The Virus has extremely low numbers of new cases that can be supported
With immediate testing and isolation for everyone they came in contact with.
Greater Glasgow is working on an emergency mortuary in Renfrewshire.
I’m guessing that would be the ice rink at Braehead?
The worst is still to come to Scotland and still the doubting Thomases won’t have it.
Jings! Gove self isolating. 🙁
callmedave
I suppose a whole bunch of them have been in close contact with one and other over the past week or so – I’ll bet they wish they had been stockpiling underpants. .
I see the highly effective Scot Govt daily briefing has now become an EssEnnPeeBaaad session for the Colonial Media!
Can’t have the Scottish Government looking more competent than UK Government can they (usual attack on delivery of Devolved NHS resumed).
So much for not politicising the pandemic.
Weechid says:
7 April, 2020 at 12:01 pm
Marydoll says:
7 April, 2020 at 11:39 am
I see that ‘clap for Boris ‘ is trending on twitter.
To be fair, it probably wouldn’t be the first time in his life that he’s had the clap.
When we compare the UK performance on the virus we should be comparing it to other islands and not places on mainland Europe with many borders. In this measurement the UK and because we followed WM the Scotgov performance has been poor. Look how well places like NZ and Iceland have performed compared to Scotland, we could have closed our borders and adopted a test and isolate approach. The BritNats would have gone mad but I would put up with their ire if it saved more lives.
Seriously, just been sent footage of the US announcing an attack on Venezuela !
They attempt to justify it saying that drug cartels there intend filling the US with drugs
While the country is focused on Corona Virus.
I have lots of video clips that look very real to me.
US commander in one with Trump making the announcement?
I nearly asked if Venezuela had oil?
Germany was the last country the US invaded that didn’t have oil.
Surely the O/O plan to march to thank the Tories is a wind up.
These poor ignorant people suffer more than most from the policies of the evil Conservative and Unionist party.
It’s 2020 folks time to read some books and websites you may be strangers to. As always think of your families there is a better future out there to be seized.
Really is time to change and wise up to Unionism, it is not your friend, most Tories would call the Police if any O/O type ventured near the tennis club or Waitrose.
Just not their sort I’m afraid.
Laura ‘I only have eyes for you’ Kuenssberg believes we are now in a crisis. I can understand it may be a personal crisis for her as that hotline is no longer available, and Dominic Raab doesn’t look like the fluttering eyelash type.
Partner’s daughter is a registered nurse but working in a large care home. Last night during a phone call about how she was she used the word ‘scare-home’ (we didn’t laugh) and she wished they had better PPE.
Partner’s really worried about her and her colleagues and all the old folk in the system.
These carers especially those on minimum wages deserve all the support we can give them when every shift is a real risk to them.
🙁
74 reported dead in Scotland this morning.
(catch up number from the weekend)
I see that 5 days ago the US Fleet was sent off shore to Venezuela
But the clips I have shows major US troop movements filmed my South
Americans in their cars.
Different Spanish speakers in different cars filming US Troops and
Military Vehicles heading down their roads.
One clip is of a military helicopter with Marines dropping down a line
And into a field with many others.
Nothing on the UK news but that’s the last place I’d expect to find it.
@ Breeks.
The cuts to NHS A&E England already in the pipeline are going ahead. On Facebook yesterday, will try and find the story. Also Matt Hancock when asked about a pay rise for NHS staff said that now is not time. Ok for the MP’s and lords though. Don’t hold your breath for any road to Damascus change of heart from this lot.
Re all the cabinet going down with corona virus , maybe if Nadine Dorris hadn’t returned to Westminster so soon after being diagnosed with it they wouldn’t be ill . She was told to self isolate on 11th March and returned on 24th March and no doubt attended any cabinet meetings held .
link to google.com
link to news.sky.com
Re above post about Nadine Dorris , I’ve just found this which suggests self isolation should be longer than 14 days –
link to threadreaderapp.com
So if above thread reader is correct it means all the people self isolating for 7 or 14 days is not long enough to protect other people as this news page tells us –
link to bbc.co.uk
On BBC “Coronavirus in Scotland: Sturgeon says ‘all of Scotland’ willing Johnson on”. Sorry FM – on this ocassion you don’t speak for me – and I hope you don’t believe that “being nice” is going to win you any favours. His type don;t change.
OK:
England figures for England on the scrolling screen for the first time! 🙂 Good old Auntie.
Deaths reported as follows 🙁
Scotland 74
England 758
Wales 19
NI 3
Uk Total today reported OH wait! I’ll have to add it up!!
UK total = 854 That’s better Auntie How’s that Dave?
@ Effijy – yes Venezuela has around the highest oil reserves in the world. American companies regard them as their god given right to exploit. Hence the attempts at regime change.
Try Telesur for S. America news. They were based in Venezuela but the US imposed sanctions and blocked access to Venezuela’s money held in American banks. So they may have had to move. They have nothing on an invasion atm but I would expect them to report it if it’s happening.
https://www.telesurenglish.net
Call me Dave
I am sure if you write to the prime minister, and explain to him how stupid you are, I’m sure, when he’s not got anything else to worry about, he will arrange a special course for particularly stupid people to teach them to find data that no else has a problem with.
You and shug should be the first two on it!
Weechid
“Sturgeon says ‘all of Scotland’ willing Johnson on”
On his journey to Malebolge?
Why wouldn’t we?
Haha I take it you’ve given up on the human rights “thing”.
Once again, when actually challenged, a lot of the guff repeated in this echo chamber, melts under the smallest scrutiny.
@Sensibledave
Dave you were wrong!
Lots of folk don’t have a computer so rely on the main BBC news page of the TV.
By the way there is no figure for England deaths yet on the BBC website coronavirus ‘England’ box main page web site BBC at the very bottom or the corona virus UK box.
But all the figures are for Scotland , NI, and Wales are in their respective boxes.
So as I word-process this the BBC are still not telling us the whole figures.
Only on the scrolling screen has it appeared.
Sorry Dave your a roaster.
OT. Wow,there’s a lot of reading for me to catch up on while I’ve been Off-Line during the last few weeks.
Keep up the good investigative work Wings.
Surely some mistake screams every transactivist in the world.
Prof Philip Goulder, an expert in immunology at University of Oxford, said: “It is becoming increasingly recognised that there are substantial differences in the immune system between males and females and that these have significant impact on outcome from a wide range of infectious diseases.
“The immune response throughout life to vaccines and infections is typically more aggressive and more effective in females compared to males.”
link to archive.is
You get the feeling that sturgeon and her pitiful supporters would be more at home in the liebour party or lie dems!
What use is she to the cause of independence?
She has already brown nosed to the political classes in England and the London establishment.
Does she not know that she will only ever be seen as the dumb subservient jock who is articulate but well controlled?
My fear is that she and her cronies could do real damage to the SNP and indy cause form within.
She certainly seems to care little about independence and may already be in the back pocket of the brit secret service.
Backed by a unionist media who foam at the mouth at any opportunity to undermine Scotland, Sturgeon could be the brit states secret weapon Against Scotland!
Any other leader worth their salt would have probably got us independence by now, or at the very least, done irreparable damage to the british state.
Effijy says:
7 April, 2020 at 1:27 pm
I nearly asked if Venezuela had oil?
Germany was the last country the US invaded that didn’t have oil.
Grenada?
Sensibledave talking bollocks as usual;
“.A basic issue that you keep refusing to accept is that all EVEL laws can only be passed by the FULL House – just like any other law. Scottish, Welsh and NI MPs vote to pass or not pass in exactly the same way. The only thing that is different is English MPS get a chance to discuss things on their own. You will forgive me therefore for saying if that is the best you can come up with .. then you have got nothing..”
How it actually wotks;
The Speaker judges which parts of a bill relate to just England, or England and Wales
An England-only committee stage considers bills deemed “England-only in their entirety”
Membership of this committee reflects the number of MPs each party has in England
Where sections of legislation relate only to England or England and Wales, the agreement of a Legislative Grand Committee composed of all English, English and Welsh or English, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs, is required
Yes, I think its safe to say Grenada has no oil!
link to archive.is
Afghanistan oil production bbls/year = zero
“Col.Blimp IV
“Sturgeon says ‘all of Scotland’ willing Johnson on”
On his journey to Malebolge?
Why wouldn’t we?”
Col.Blimp IV.
Nice reference to ditches their, very fitting.
FuckingdumdDave
People have been listing points for you on why Scots are not equal under Westminster terms.
My country cannot get the government it voted for because the English won’t let it.
In Holyrood elections the country next door set up a process to just about endure SNP cannot get a majority. We have complete Fannies in the Tory Party getting a seat for coming in 4th in their constituency. Can I ad a Scottish enforce that in England? NO is the answer if you need help.
I can’t as a Scottish MP become Prime Minister with EVEL.
That doesn’t apply to the English.
In Scotland I need to travel to another country to get an American permit signed off.
In Scotland there is no pro Scottish News Media outlets.
I’ve been battered to death with calls for Calderwood to resign for travelling
Yet 3 back door Tory MSPs go hill walking and no UK media outlet wants to know about it.
In the UK every media outlet is pro England First.
The Thatcher Poll Tax was I legally imposed on Scotland to test it.
Nothing imposed on England first.
As a Scot I was proud to hear we held the best ever Commonwealth Games Ever.
Westminster refused Glasgow any form of funding and yet Birmingham are to get £72 Million for their games.
Scots will need to pay Billions for the Nuclear Weapons we don’t want and Billions
For HS2 that comes no where near Scotland.
Scots are not equal as we can hide our corruption by making disgraceful and disgusting acts top secret.
Get someone to read some of this out to you and then fuck off to England you cretin.
“Col.Blimp IV says:
7 April, 2020 at 12:23 pm
“CLAP FOR BORIS””
Col.Blimp IV.
Don’t tell me Boris has got the clap as well as the virus, no wonder he’s in ICU.
@republicofscotland
To be honest it wouldn’t surprise me that even on a ventilator (which he definitely isn’t) he still managed to impregnate a couple of women.
Syphilis Dave
Why do people engage? It will crawl back under its bridge if it gets ignored.
It’s the same script day in day out.
English/british media dumbing down the horrific English covid death figures again.
When comparing their garish, headline coverage of the Italian, and Spanish deaths you only realise now they were actually gloating over poor Johnny foreigners plight.
Transparent british propagandists, no surprise there.
Captain Sensible is not stupid nor being deliberately obtuse, he is just a bit deluded.
He thinks that we, like him are subjects of Good Queen Bess, and must therefore enjoy all the privileges, freedoms and restrictions that were granted/imposed on him and his fellows by Magna Carta [not sure why they never stick a ‘the’ in front of it] and all subsequent English Parliaments.
Meaning we stopped being Scottish way back in 1707, so it is not possible for Scots to have any more or less rights than he does – because [in his mind] we do not exist, other than as residents of an administrative sector of England and it’s pseudonyms.
The true number of coronavirus victims in England could be 80 per cent higher than official figures show. The Government declared just 926 fatalities by March 27, compared to 1,649 deaths recorded by NHS England.
Don’t tell me Westminster could lie about figures.
England now behind the US, Italy, Spain and Iran in the number of Corona Deaths
The article above probably takes them above Iran.
Let’s pray for Boris who is greatly responsible for what is going on
and it is only dispensable plebs that are actually dying.
As for Venezuela
Crisis Stricken Venezuela Faces Mounting Pressure From The U.S.
link to archive.is
As for Afghanistan.
Lots of oil there.
But not sure much has changed since 2016.
Opium Rules: Afghan Oil Will Never Get Out Of The Ground
link to archive.is
James 3.06
…. keep the very good explanation going James and tell everyone what happens next.
Republicofscotland
Looks like he passed it on to Sensibledave @ 3.25pm
@Effijy
They can run but they can’t hide in the long run, we will be able to see the statistical changes in recorded deaths. If there is a deviation from the normal stats I think we will be able to work out the lies. Of course it requires the media to report this, will they cover up for the Tories if the stats prove they are lying.
mike cassidy says
“Opium Rules” –
Not until the Taliban, who had banned production of the stuff were overthrown by an American invasion.
James
Even after all those procedures which you mention, I still think that English only legislation still has to be voted by the whole HoC.
I’m not an expert on constitutional matters but I rather think that sensible is correct on this.
Please expand your case as I’m quite interested.
Breeks
Blended whiskies are often mainly grain whisky (not malted) and then often mixed (flavoured) with some malt whiskies, so cheaper.
Malt Whisky is made using malted barley, eg germinated barley, so is a longer process and more expensive.
Mash is part of the process.
link to scotchwhiskyexperience.co.uk
Ayeright
Afghanistan opened the route for a pipeline to the Caspian sea. I remember Tommy Sheridan talkingf about it. (the only politican who did)
The company was Unocal, there were US negotiations with the Taliban re the pipeline. They were given the ultimatum- you can have a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs. That was in July, then September 11th happened which gave the US the excuse to go in.
Live Reporting
BBC Scotland News if your looking.
Live Scottish web page
Posted at 15:2115:21
Food parcels for vulnerable families
Picture of bags of messages in the Glasgow hall which is good. 🙂
Half a loaf in each of the 2000 bags in ‘union jack’ wrapping.
🙁 Hovis.
Good old BBC. Photo opportunity:
PS:
For younger viewers a Scottish half loaf if called a ‘loaf’ darn Sarf.
As my real auntie from Sheffield found out when she came up to shop in Scotland years ago. Sadly no more.
””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’
PS: Forgot to mention that the main news scrolling screen which used to give the UK total deaths….is no more gone! nada!
Maybe Raab will tell us the UK total at the latest briefing or stick to ENHS figures.
5 will get you 10 that he will.
Scotch Whisky
Last time I looked 75% of the Scotch Whisky industry is foreign owned, mainly by multi-nationals.
Grants is one of the Scottish family owned Scotch Whisky companies still around and was a major donor to Better Together.
link to bbc.co.uk
“Scottish independence: Distiller William Grant and Sons donates to Better Together”
The Scotch Whisky Association came out strongly in favour of NO to indy, citing concerns about independence meant leaving the EU.
Did Grant and Sons cry “this is a Brexit betrayal” after UK promises of a NO vote meant staying in the EU and switch support to Scottish independence?
I haven’t heard of it, have you?
Just a minute ago the UK deaths appear on the BBC news scrolling screen. Somebody must have counted them up at last.
Just in time for the Raab update.
English/British nationalist media controlling SNP agenda again. SNP don’t seem to mind.
dave notes that no one had come up with a human right that he has, that Scots don’t. British constitutional law lacks incoherence and comparability with international human rights law. Parliamentary sovereignty is incompatible with the principle of Scottish sovereignty, i.e. equality.
The Right to Development at a glance
link to un.org
Sorry….lacks coherence…. I’m not simply lazy, I actually have a bit of a learning difficulty.
Linguistic Competence
link to sciencedirect.com
COMPARABILITY, sorry.
I did it again, and it wasn’t deliberate. COMPATIBILITY!
If law and public policy lacks regard to the natural law, it can’t be considered compatible with international human rights law.
A country controlled by a small percentage of very wealthy people who deny opportunities to those who are poor. The poor work for little wages and struggle to achieve a basic human standard of living such as having food and shelter. The poor are carefully controlled by the oppressors and prevented from organizing or resisting the will of the wealthy.
link to caltonjock.com
The BBC now running eulogy after eulogy about what a great person Boris Johnson really is, when he reappears he will now be lauded a hero. Many thought that was the plan all along. If they keep this up soon the only way I’m going to believe this was all not just a great ruse to cover up the disastrous government handling of the crisis is if he does pass on.
The media is now fixated with Boris Johnson and criticism of the government has all but disappeared.
Can you see in Rabb’s eyes the delight should he could become PM if Boris
Chokes on a blocked hoover bag on his Dyson?
Rabb dies have the arrogance and condescending attitude to
Fit in at the top level in England.
Colin alexander 4.30pm. Re scotch whisky, I’m a JD man myself but if I did drink scotch, it wouldn’t be those BT a***holes brands. More like springbank distillers whose managing director Neil Clapperton said before the indy vote ‘independence would be a huge boost to Scotlands brand’
I’ve just been invited on a Facebook page to clap for Boris at 8pm. A next door neighbour. There are several different pages on friends pages. Some are just never mind his politics as a human being with loved ones and the PM let’s hope he pulls through. Others have photos if BJ with hearts on and we love you Boris and pray you get back to running the country magnificently style messages.
My problem is whilst I sincerely hope he pulls through, If I don’t clap at 8 will I be looked upon as a hater and as someone who wants him dead? Will my Tory supporting friends and neighbours shun me? This feels a bit scary in these times of heightened emotions.
I bet none of them would do it for Jeremy Corbyn or Nicola Sturgeon.
OT
Courtesy of dictionary woman, Susie Dent.
hurkledurking – lying in bed or lounging around when one should be up and about
hufflebuffs – old,scruffy clothes you laze around in.
So having had my once-a-day-exercise
I shall spend the rest of the time hurkledurking in my hufflebuffs while catching up on “In The Line Of duty” series 5.
Boris is one of the most loathed politicians in memory.
Doug @ 4:44
“English/British nationalist media controlling SNP agenda again. SNP don’t seem to mind”
No, they don’t mind one bit. Biggest obstacle to Scottish Independence? The SNP in its current form; cosy-devolutionists, career-troughers, ultra-Wokes and paper tigers in three-piece suits. Quite the motley crew in both parliaments. Scotland deserves better.
Did you hear what Raab never said at a live news medical update to the UK nation?
On a day when the highest UK death rate on a single day should have been reported he never told us what it was it was disguised in a litany of figures where the total number of UK deaths to date was given instead.
PS:
I lost my bet above when I said 5 will get you 10 that he would.
It’s the way they give the news! It is deliberate.
Maybe an alert reporter will ask the question… there is still time but they are obsessed with Boris. 🙁
More Boris Boris Boris nobody will ask.
Oh wait! Someone mentions the shocking outcome today in the figures but doesn’t say what it is.
Raab has an opportunity to tell us…but Nooo! 🙁
Shurley schome mistake!
I have re-listened to it and I believe this to correct.
Robert Peston challenges Rabb about Great Germany having vastly superior control over the virus than the UK is. Why!
It may be due to the Germans paying for and carrying out testing while the Tories didn’t order tests
And didn’t make provision to man the tests.
This has caused many UK lives and continues to do so.
And people want you to clap the clown behind this?
The idiot who went about shaking hands in a Corona Ward
Against his own advice.
The UK is losing 91 lives per million of population at this time and the daily death tolls are increasing
Great Germany has a larger population including over a million refugees and they have lost only 23
Citizens per million with their number steadily decreasing.
In summary you are 4 timed mire likely to die with this virus under Boris than you are with Merkel
Boris and the Tories have blood on their hands and it’s not their own blood.
And was instructed in the acquisition of this knowledge following a serious brain injury. Fortunately this instruction guided me in decolonising my intellect and Theory of Mind. Makes you wonder about the power of propaganda, eh?
JUSTICE, EQUALITY, AND NATURAL RIGHTS CLAIMS: A RECONSIDERATION OF AQUINAS’S CONCEPTION OF RIGHT
link to cambridge.org
O/T really but Interesting read on XY stuff.
link to bbc.co.uk
callmedave et others
A lot of today’s deaths actually relate to the weekend when the Registrars are not working so the stats are a bit meaningless.
NS explained the same problem at her news conference.
You guys are always looking for a grievance!
So lacking in self confidence.
BBC scrolly thing states that.
“The foreign Sec ‘confirms’ 786 UK deaths”
No he didn’t BBC 🙁 You did on your scrolly thing.
@ Dorothy Devine – I found the reference to gargling with saline in the Chinese medics’ Handbook for COVID-19 Prevention and Treatment. On page 13 of the document (page 18 of the pdf) it advises to gargle with saline solution and swab mucous membrane to disinfect if contaminated with the virus.
link to alnap.org
No idea where I read that hot drinks such as tea are good for getting rid of the virus if in the throat. But it can’t do any harm.
Lothianlad 2.55pm she’s definitely not in the same league as George borg Olivier who gained independence for Malta against all the odds.
And this is UNESCO’s ‘one world’ ideology that has recently been subject to misrepresentation. Living in Scotland, folks should know what that feels like.
Human rights and natural law
link to en.unesco.org
Haw Dave
Got a new foil hat and managed to calculate the numbers for you
N Ireland 73 1.19%
Scotland 296 4.81%
Wales 212 3.44%
England 5578.00 90.57%
Total 6159
I dont know what they pay you
Pete
What you said has nothing to do with weekend figures
I never said anything about the figures being ‘too’ high it is a fact that they are what they are.
I have never sought or compared deaths in the 4 countries only stated the numbers
My contention is with
Reporting the facts in a straight forward way
The WM Gov and the BBC are a hand in glove puppet they are the ones that lack confidence not the UK general public and not me.
They massage the news they obscure the things we should be told
This is not about grievance nothing at all.
We want the truth …. we can handle the truth. ‘Good Film that’
I hope that’s good enough for you.
Sorry – I don’t know what they pay you to squat on this site. They could not pay me to visit the Scottish branch office for the conservatives.
Did you manage to get a visit to Ben Vorlich??
Got it Pete
In your world a repot on 786 deaths is only a problem because
The registrars don’t work the weekend.
Count the moons on your planet and get back to us.
I’d like to know why all deaths are not reported to a central bureau
Spread sheet as they happen.
Access should be available to the public too that they could see if London
Has started to condemn older patients with ventilators running out.
No way the Tories will permit accountability or freedom of information.
I have e-mailed Police Scotland today asking if they have cautioned Murdo Fraser and Liz Smith for flouting the corona virus rules.
@ callmedave – the BBC website says that the “UK” stats don’t include people who have died in the community. I’m pretty certain Nicola Sturgeon said that the Scottish stats do include deaths outside hospital. I think we have to accept that the actual numbers are too scary to mention. Raab and his team dodged answering the question about why Germany has a much lower death rate.
Some university in a far off galaxy will be keeping tabs.
The UK are going to announce next week that they’ve ‘flattened the curve’.
I keep trying to tell you all that European countries, including the UK are pushing to get this over by the summer so people can go on their holidays otherwise the airlines are going to go bust and the governments can’t afford to bail them out after announcing all their furlough payments and whatnot.
My prediction is that after summer, there will be a second wave.
People of a certain age, including myself, have had years of experience with how governments think and work, so all the information is out their about the likely direction that governments are going to take. All you have to do is join the dots.
@shug
Nobody pays me.
I can’t make out what the figures mean?
As I said before I have never offered a comparison between countries. Just the facts in numbers is what I question and the way the BBC present them.
Just the facts? …….. Oh Joe Friday! Dragnet
In the case corona virus we really are all in it together.
Right off to get cuffed on the on-line chess.
I used to be a contender … Oh…On The Water front! 🙂
Highseastim,
Good for you in doing that.
Keep us updated.
It might be an idea to have a petition to demand the same justice as they call it
For those connected to the SNP looking after Scotland and the Tories looking
After England.
Then we can ask why Prince Charlie hadn’t resigned for travelling up here with the virus.
We can ask why Boris hasn’t resigned for not following his instructions not to shake hands.
He should resign just like Doctor Calderwood.
Call me dave
Was directed at sensible dave
That we’ll known oximoron
BBC now have their Scotland agenda, care homes, only in Scotland are care home residents catching the virus. BBC Scotland started on this track a couple of days ago, now been moved to main news.
All Scotland (Wales & NI also) reporting must be negative, none of the uplifting reports as used in England allowed. The agenda is so transparent it’s unlikely to work, except for the Britnat loons, where is AC-H?
Of course no measurements of deaths in England care homes, I suspect their death numbers are now being hidden here. As I’ve read elsewhere if the maths of the death rate are not matching other countries that took the same route then they are being hidden.
@shug
Ok shug! 🙂
@Capella
FM said she would but I think that they are just getting the figures for ‘out of hospital’ deaths sorted.
Maybe tomorrow I hear
It will be a severe shock ‘you ain’t seen nothing yet’ believe me
(Bachman Turner Overdrive 1974)
Deaths numbers will sky rocket.
The end of this health crisis can’t come quickly enough. Then we can change the FM for someone who has the guts to fight for Scotland’s independence. The current FM’s latest best wishes [on behalf of all of us, it seems] to liar and coward Johnson is boke-inducing.
@Doug
Aye but Doug ( the reality is its just a meaningless convention)
It’s a bit like the golf thing.
“Oh dear what a pity… my friends in the bunker….
“Oh F*ck! The bastards on the green”
That’s all it is.
EBC Scotland in top gear anti SNP propaganda.
It seems to be their fault 29 elderly people in care homes
With underlying health issues have died to date.
Care home manager blames SNP for lack of personal protection. Kit.
It sounds like these kits are only in short supply in Scotland but apparently
There are shortages right across the globe but they can’t mention that.
Half of these care home deaths are from one site where there dies need to be
be a deeper investigation but as Scotland had not been compared to England that
Automatically means the care home deaths must be very much higher.
EBC Shortbread you are a shower of corrupt bastards.
Surely for all these privately run care home it is the company that runs them responsibility to have a procedure in place to protect their staff. These are the companies that often won’t pay for their staff travel time now trying to tell me their staff is their highest priority.
As far as I can see many companies are avoiding looking after their staff but trying to pass on the responsibility to the government. Looks like many are expecting the SHNS to run after them rather than them put any effort in.
Just listening to BBC jockland
Private care homes have a duty to provide and protect their staff. It is not for the Scottish government to provide. Clearly omitted by the BBC.
If you are a carer keep a copy of all circulars issued by your employer. You may need they for a legal claim later.
Kilgower seems to connected to the cbi hence the free access to the BBC to say the government is not providing for his staff unchalenged
BBC up to usual tricks
Why would our First Minister want to add potential out of hospital Corona death figures
To our totals if England doesn’t do it.
I want our apples compared with their apples, nothing else.
We shut ourselves in the foot with this previously with drug deaths.
Scotland counts Kidney failure as a drug death if the situation was
Caused previously by taking drugs.
They don’t do it that way in England and no way do the media want to report it as apples vs oranges
Once the care homes are included in the Scottish figures then a more realistic death rate across the UK can be interpolated from this figure as we should know the difference between the pre/post numbers. The percentages are likely to be similar across the UK, so if it works out 50 % more in Scotland then it is more than likely 50% more elsewhere in the UK.
My suspicion is we are closer to 1000 per day than the numbers that are currently being released (UK total).
@Effijy – our Government would get sh1t anyway – at least this way they can say they are open & that the figures are gathered differently from England’s which is why they are different
but .. yeah, still crap
@Effigy
Yes the MSM will use the figure to berate the Scottish government but they can try putting their heads in the sand if they want down south. The numbers will come out eventually then it will be seen as a cover up, the MSM (BBC anyway) is going to chase this up anyway they are already locked in on the care home scenario.
Hi Effijy says at 6:53 pm.
I’m guessing you type your comments in Microsloth Word, or a similar abortion, then paste them into the comments box.
PLEASE preview in the preview box below the “Submit Comment” button, because your comments are appearing with spurious line breaks and new sentences starting on a new line, in the middle of a sentence!
Makes it really awkward to read.
However, even with the difficulty in reading your comments, you do post some thoughtful stuff.
Capella
A little perspective…
The figure for the overall death rate in England is circa 33000 per month (just over 9% per annum). Other than those that died in accidents, the rest of them, we can assume, are ill and/or “dying” each month in the “natural” course of events.
The Coronavirus deaths we sadly hear about, are in the main, people that died WITH Coronavirus or suspected cv19. We don’t know whether cv19 was necessarily THE cause of death on its own.
We had around 5000 deaths from people with cv19 in the uk.
Hi Brian
Thanks
I’m having to use my I phone to post.
I’ve had to move out of my home to look after
A sick relative with no internet and poor phone signal.
My apologies for the poor format but my sentiment is in the right place.
A good time to say thank you for all the good like minded people here who
Believe in Scotland, Truth and Justice.
Too many of my posts are fight backs against the idiocy of the Unionist Trolls
The Media and Westminster.
Good people with common sense on here keep me sane.
I may have got my figures a bit wrong. 9% death rate overall suggests about 500,000 deaths per year in England … so under “normal” circumstances it’s nearer 40,000 per month.
England don’t record Covid-19 deaths in care homes to their National Stats @ jfngw says at 6:33 pm but Scotland do.
link to archive.is
Fudging the figures South of the Border but BBC and BritNat MSM in Scotland don’t report this as they attack SNHS!
Contrary to Troll stats
There is well over 5,500 Corona deaths in England
and we know the true stats are being delayed.
8,000 would be a likely figure and there will be more
Than 10,000 when England cares to adjust and report
This weekends figures.
Sensible Dave
I think you mean the death rate is 0.9%per annum.
I have had a reply from Police Scotland
OFFICIAL
Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your email, unfortunately we would not be able to comment whether individuals have received warnings or not.
If you wish to make a complaint about anyone not adhering to social distancing, please call 101.
———————-
I find this answer extraordinary as they were very public on their cautions for Catherine Calderwood, her husband and the Aberdeen fc players!!
Pete
… yes, major typo on the %.
However, we are talking about 120,000 “normal” deaths per month in England … so 40,000 per month stands.
Thank you.
Pete
England has a death rate of 0.9%per annum !
Is that because the average life-span is 111
or has immigration sky-rocketed since Brexit?
The ONS publishes figures for deaths in hospital, care home or home for Engand and Wales. Unfortunately, the figures are more than a week out of date. However, there were 20 deaths in care homes in England and Wales in the week up to 27th March. There were 501 deaths in hospital and 15 at home, 2 hospice and 1 elsewhere. I think the figures must be considerably higher now.
link to bbc.co.uk
Highseastim,
Absolutely typical police up here working for Westminster promotions
And Betty Gongs.
You have reported the who where when but they have passed the buck.
I’d appreciate someone with a spine in the SNP to enquire one rule for Tories
And another for SNP.
Can they confirm they received a complaint on that phone number for Dr Caulderwood?
Corruption controlling Scotland !
Effigy 7.53
We need to understand the numbers a little more as per my previous and subsequent comments. The figures are imperfect for a number of reasons. If someone is nearing the end of life and has a terminal condition, as I understand it now, if they have cv 19 or are suspected of having cv19 then they may appear in the cv deaths stats.
It’s very hard to get a grip on the numbers. “Normally”, in England, around 17000 people die through respiratory disease (1400 per month), 2500 a month from cardio vascular disease, 1400 a month from injuries ( has that number plummeted in the lock down?), 3300 a month from neoplasm.
How many of the people that were going to die, are being included within the cv19 numbers if they died with the symptoms as well?
“Surely for all these privately run care home it is the company that runs them responsibility…..Looks like many are expecting the SHNS to run after them rather than them put any effort in.”
Agreed @jfngw says at 6:53 pm
One of the positives that SHOULD come from the analysis of the Covid-19 Pandemic in Scotland IMHO MUST be the removal of Private Industry from the Care Sector in Scotland.
When the care of the old, infirm and disabled is used to generate a profit then society suffers.
Thinking about that Police rebuke
They had no problem commenting for the UK media
On Dr Calderwood.
An official statement was signed and sent.
Double standards again.
A little perspective on CoVid-19 fatalities and a home-made guide to estimating deaths.
Try and access the death notices (usually inserted by the family), in your local paper in the online archive. Choose a date in March or April 2019 and compare the number of deaths with the same date in 2020.
They did this in Bergamo, a terrible Coronavirus hot-spot in Northern Italy. In 2019 there was a page and a half of death notices, which was accepted as about normal. In 2020 at the height of the epidemic there were 10 pages. No matter the number of notices on each page, you can see there was a tremendous rise.
There won’t be such a rise in Scottish towns and townlands, of course, but you should get some idea of how many people have succumbed to the disease in your area.
The BBC posts articles on the grim crisis of care home deaths across Europe (which excludes England obviously).
So that’s Scotland and Europe with care home deaths.
link to bbc.co.uk
ONS reporting UK gov under reporting Hospital deaths by 78%. Anybody else picked up on this.
Craig Murray’s first attempt at a podcast – ‘The Declaration of Arbroath, and the Way Forward Now’ – makes very interesting listening.
craigmurray.org.uk
The BBC article I posted above is from 3rd April. Here’s one from 31st March about care home deaths in Europe. Grim indeed. But no articles on care home deaths in England.
link to bbc.co.uk
To be honest I don’t think we will be able to make any judgement on fatalities until we are able to compare figures against averages across the last 5 years. We have Feb 2020 at 4715 in Scotland which is 6.7% drop on the average for the previous 5yrs. It’s that kind of comparison which will give us a better understanding of what’s happening.
Effijy
My response to your post @10.32 was quarantined for reasons unknown – if you can read this, it must have been for something I said in the first couple of paragraphs.
On a more serious note, I agree with what you said about supermarkets, when livestock are threatened by an epidemic, on entering or leaving an enclosure you have to walk through a bath of disinfectant and spray the wheels of your vehicle to prevent transmission of any contaminants to or from the ground the animals may come in contact with.
One would not think it unreasonable to afford humans the same level of protection – i.e. no one allowed into a shop without a mask and fresh or decontaminated gloves and that the trolleys leaving the shop are disinfected thoroughly before being allowed to re-enter.
@ Capella.
Talking up Scotland did an article on this, its certainly making the local papers down south.
I just remembered some of the bio-neurological drivers of HMG’s response to Covid and Scotland’s democratic rights. Tories are simply bio-neurologically impaired in terms of cognitive flexibility, cope poorly with change, and tend to think in the immediate to short-term. Their boundaries of perception are, subsequently, inadequate to the task of ethical government. Trust me, or do you want tones of links? 🙂
Toward a computational framework for cognitive biology: Unifying approaches from cognitive neuroscience and comparative cognition
link to sciencedirect.com
Cammy
… yawn!
Eh, the virus has only been with us for a couple of months so when it spreads through the population we’ll see the general death rate increase.
Ron Maclean says @8.47:
“Craig Murray’s first attempt at a podcast… makes very interesting listening.”
What he is saying from 20mins in onwards, goes way beyond interesting.
It is vital that every Scot hears it and our duty to ensure that they do.
link to craigmurray.org.uk
@ Cameron B Brodie.
Tones of links sounds good, setting them to music is a brilliant idea.
Keep on posting.
We can sir!
Golfnut
I’ll do my best, hopefully when most appropriate.
Here’s one for starters.
Constituents of political cognition: Race, party politics, and the alliance detection system
link to cep.ucsb.edu
Today remember Willie MacRae, 18th May 1923 – 7th April 1985.
Scottish Lawyer, Orator, Naval Officer, SNP activist, politician and anti-nuclear campaigner.
This is the 35th anniversary of his murder by the UK Security Services.
or,
for those who don’t believe in conspiracy theories,
This is the 35th anniversary of the day he shot himself twice in the back of the head, wiped his fingerprints from the revolver and threw it 20 metres though the car window!
link to archive.is
Well that’s me just finished watching channel 5’s ‘ A country life for half the price. All about a family who moved from Exeter to the shetland isles. It was Britain this Britain that ,northern Britain. Not once was the word SCOTLAND mentioned. Yes they are desperately trying to airbrush our country out of existence . They really must be panicking now.
Just realised my post at 7:19 should say extrapolate, not interpolate.
Apropos..
Shout out to all those kindly souls who bought up half of Embra to make an air b’n’b killing.
GIRUPY
Watch the values plummet!
My bother just pointed out that those living in Scotland are apparently unable to register to access an HMG sponsored scheme run by Tesco, to support mind and bodily unity of vulnerable customers. That would appear to be a discrimination in the justice of access to life essential services.
Social justice, access and quality of healthcare in an age of austerity: users’ perspective from rural Iceland
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Channel 4 did some number crunching on the deaths and these will certainly raise an eyebrow.
link to channel4.com
Dakk 9.34
…. not necessarily (if you had been paying attention).
@auld highlander
Good catch on the link to the lag in the system of reporting virus related deaths.
I suspect all this chat about changes of reporting has been thrashed out across the UK by the 4 country cobra meetings and all will be using the same criteria beginning soon.
STV’s Colin Mackay tonight saying he’s seen some data in Scotland ONS that might be in the FM’s report tomorrow.
Big numbers hinted at. 🙁
Jings! A sombre sober Trump in his press conference.
Actually quite articulate in brief moments. Might be getting it!
@ sensibledave
Not necessarily, but the global economy is in lockdown for the first time ever and the 55 Yr old UK PM is in intensive care with virus.
Nothing to see here.
Golf nut 8.49
Amazing! We appear to be on the same word on the same line of same page!
Who’d of thunk it.
Col.Blimp IV @ 9.39pm
Thank you for sorting the Craig Murray link.
Dakk
As usual, you are so busy looking for a fight, you miss the point that a number of other contributors have grasped.
Let me try another way.
1, How many of the people that have/are dying with Coronavirus were going to die within a short period regardless? It sounds harsh but we are having a difficult conversation about death. We keep hearing about people with “underlying” conditions (that is not say that fit and healthy people can die from it.
2. Because of the lockdown, how many fewer deaths happen at work?
3. How many fewer are dying in car accidents?
4. How many fewer people are dying as a result of other accidents.
Think Dakk think!
And here’s a bit more on the bio-neurological nature of prejudice and discrimination. Unfortunately this knowledge is unavailable to Scotland’s government, as the Scottish civil service have been instructed to follow an approach to law that is ideologically opposed to a legal respect for biology. Distinctly anti-founadtional in nature, and incompatible with the potential for justice to occur.
That’s is the legal philosophy underpinning contemporary British constitutional law.
The Health Stigma and Discrimination Framework: a global, crosscutting framework to inform research, intervention development, and policy on health-related stigmas
link to bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com
Others have already recommended a listen to Craig Murray’s new podcast:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk
But be sure to listen to the end; about 36 mins in he says that “one way or another” he will stand in the next Holyrood election, “along with others”.
He also says his home office is being equipped as a broadcast studio.
I know what all this leads me to conclude. Anyone else agree?
Can’t be bothered thinking tonight Dave.
Can’t be bothered fighting either.
Maybe tomorrow.
Sensible @ 11:19
How many will not see Christmas 2020, but who might have done had their scans, biopsies, procedures, treatments, surgeries, etc. etc. not been cancelled due to the current situation?
Will such collateral deaths, which are a direct result of the current pressures on the NHS, be included in the final analysis? I doubt it.
Wonderful video from Craig Murray and I totally agree with him.
Wonderful podcast from Craig Murray and I totally agree with him.
The President of Venezuela has written a letter to the people of America
To advise that the biggest crisis that faces us all is the Corona Virus.
Donald Trump has decided that all drugs entering the US come from Venezuela.
This is completely inaccurate and we do all we can bring drug producers and dealers
To justice.
America put illegal sanctions in this country and made it difficult for us to source
Medical supplies but as we took immediate actions to test and socially distance
Our citizens and it has had great affect on minimising their spread and the number of fatalities.
As Trump refused to accept the severity of the Virus, just as he has rejected global warming,
The US Faced a death tally measured in the hundreds of thousands.
This attack on Venezuela is no more a smoke screen to cover the disaster that has been the US
Government response to this deadly virus.
Venezuela only wants peace.
President
Moduro Moros
Sorry I can’t paste the actual letter here and I have abbreviated the letter while trying to stay true
To the content.
If anyone in the UK Media would like lessons on this just let me know!
Hi Effijy.
I tend to forget that peeps are commenting from phone, because I do all my commenting on iMac at work or MacPro at home.
I even detest having to use texting and Whatsapp from my phone. It’s a lot easier to type on a REAL keyboard than on a virtual keyboard onscreen.
That’s what’s fine about being confined to barracks; I have Whatsapp on my home MacPro so have the use of a real keyboard.
@ Mike D 10.04pm Mike I watched about 5 mins of that programme before I couldn’t take anymore , the smugness was palpable , is there now going to be a new wave of incomers selling up down south to take advantage of the lower house prices up here and to escape the morass that is London and the denseness of the population
Another massive hurdle for our own youngsters to overcome in their attempts to get housing and a mortgage , and you can also forget about independence
Here’s another way of comprehending Scotland’s circumstances, if you’re a legal scholar that is. This is essentially where I’m coming from, in terms of a legal understanding informed by linguistic philosophy and stuff. This is why I’m pretty sure the legal terminology describing Scotland’s current predicament is, “getting pumped from both ends”. 😉
Law as a Linguistic Instrument Without Truth
Content?
On the Epistemology of Koskenniemi’s Understanding
of Law
link to zaoerv.de
And here’s why the language used to construct the law, needs a rational epistemology.
Epistemic Justice and Democratic Legitimacy
link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com