Wings Over Scotland

The ratio on The National ‘exclusive’ is of interest.
Even ignoring the usual yoonatics, the ratio, level of ridicule and general negative vibe is telling.

I genuinely believe this Sunday is the tipping point. As the disappointment of her ‘essay’ (which was drivel BTW) sets in, the prospectus fails to materialise and 2023 comes and goes, her tea will be oot.

The sad thing is, I’m not sure at all the clique who will follow her have any alternate ideas or plans.

What a fucking mess.

There will be no referendum until someone with a spine is in charge & tears up the Scotland Act.
This shower of shyte we currently have in charge won’t be happy until we’re locked in ‘Catelonia style’ forever & we can all bet our £600k *ring fenced* funds on that certainty cause sure as shyte Whitehall hasn’t been sitting on their arse discussing the definition of what a woman is!! ??

Until there is a date announced and ANY meaningful legislation for said date of referendum passed in Holyrood she and the rest of the SNP might as well be putting up the bunting for “union day” celebrations. Perhaps they actually are.

Thank you for this useful collection of first firings, Stu. It’s all a bit Animal Farm in the Yes movement at the moment, where the writing on the end of the barn keeps changing and the animals struggle to remember what used to be there, yet keep believing in whatever-the-hell they were meant to believe in.

We are seriously overdue some fresh thinking for Yessers to coalesce behind. Hopefully Alba can keep plugging away and eroding the SNP’s voter base, but at a faster rate. It’ll take a little time, but I don’t know if we have time before the coming economic disaster and whatever social policy misadventures Sturgeon and Harvie decide we deserve.

In this area the SNP lost control of the council. Message after message from the party to the members has been to blame the members for not coming out to campaign. The existing councillors had to do almost all the campaigning themselves, seemingly.

There is not a word of self awareness, not a thought about WHY the members did not show up in the same numbers as in previous elections. Just blaming the members.

Labour has taken back control of the council with support from a handful of Tories and LibDems. Again – no thinking about WHY that happened. Maybe something to do with all the party had to say during the campaign was against Boris Johnson, against the Tories. Well blow me down with a feather if there wasn’t going to be some benefit in that for Labour. Lots of older folk still think it’s either Tories or Labour – isn’t that what the BBC tells us???

Nothing will improve until the present leadership of the SNP is gone, rooted out and bleached away. Then if there’s any new leadership that puts Independence first and foremost, then maybe we will start to rebuild.

@Dave M 11.38 pm

I think a lot of people hope brexit would provide the “big push”, even if it took a while for the negative economic effects to filter through and hopefully convince “soft No / Remain” voters to switch to supporting independence. Perhaps the double whammy of the brexit impacts and war in Ukraine will concentrate more people’s minds?

It would be great if Alba can capitalise on discontent within the movement particularly and “cannibalise” support from the SNP. I still don’t see much prospect of the SNP membership growing a pair and getting rid of Sturgeon or her legacy. Hopefully Alba will come out with some policy positions which put clear water between themselves and the devolusionists and centrists in the SNP.

If not, I’m not sure what other prospect there is for achieving independence in the short/medium term.

There more chance of seeing the tooth fairy than there is seeing Nicola Sturgeon starting the firing gun, we all know this. Its a pitty the Americains don’t know her as well as the Scots or she would never have been invited to go to the USA. She not going to put her job or her celebrity status or her precious union at risk just to give us a Ref that we’ve all been voting for since 2017. If a Independence fund should happen to materialize, count me out I’d rather give my money to the tooth fairy.

The Rag will keep telling you what you want to know (Ref comming soon) as long as your gullible to keep spending your hard earned cash on a talking shop, talking about crap and bad mouthing other Pro-Indy parties, if The National died a fatal death my life would continue and I’d still vote for Independence.

The New SNP are going to struggle to get people like me who donated to the last funds to donate again, it aint going to happen.

Her bum’s oot the windae!

” The bog-paper ballet is liabubble ( to cause howls of derisory laughter ) with thin slices of carrot within in seconds of being read ”

Must have been one of those 7 year olds who form Stoogeon’s Praetorian Guard wot rote that peece of Learesque nonsense .

Wanks firing blanks
Multiplying Food Banks
Weird * wummin * wae baws makin-up weird laws .
NAW .
No fckn thanks

Dave M.

I tend to think the same,

I do not think we have the time to wait, hopping and hoping from one fixed election to the next.
With years of waiting, in between
These WEF, WHO. DAVOS etc leaders have spoken out themselves for their plans.

At one time it was called a conspiriacy in theory only.
Now we are able to watch them and listen to their plans on TV, the Msm, and every other outlet you can think of,

They are no longer shy,

We are just wainting for the slower people to catch on,
But there is good ole Nick right their in the front of the game,

Implementing and copying and implementing everything they suggest into Scotland.

I’ll say it again, if we were already independent, i doubt she would still be in place,
The mums and dads alone would have chucked her out,

Oh, dear. I added 2 emoji and got a bunch of ?????? for my mistake.
Sorry guys.

Aye and the the unrecognised women of Scotland would have given her the boot.

Next would be those struggling to put food on their table, and those unable to heat their homes or drive their cars.

Unrest is on the horizen,

But wether we will be to late is another matter,

The sane and educated citizen’s of Scotland have to be convinced that Independence will be better for us all.
The sheep that currently support the SNP are unable to think for themselves and will happily swallow any crap that the Cult continue to roll out time after time. These people are in the minority.
If they are serious, the SNP have to set out projected, honest ‘financials’ for an Independent Scotland for scrutiny. In the world today it is all about money. Too think otherwise is simply naïve. There are also hundreds of other questions that have to addressed, with satisfactory responses, to convince any doubters to effectively switch to yes. The SNP are clearly unable to do this. If they could, they would have done so by now. No other party, including ALBA, are willing to take a stab at this either. The question that has to be asked is WHY? The default position they all seem to take is-‘It will all be fine, come Independence! Only the sheep are buying this line.
Looking at the top 4 in the SNP hierarchy-
Sturgeon-a failed solicitor
Forbes-a failed Banker
Swinney-failed at every job he has ever had-but outstanding as a performing seal
Useless-a call centre operative. No idea if he was any good at that but hardly a precursor as a Health Minister.

There will be no Independence referendum in 2023. Sturgeon knows that defeat would ensue and she would have to go. The USA visit was simply a fishing exercise for another job.
When she leaves the SNP, the party will fall apart. Alba, with Salmond as Leader, is tainted in the minds of too many and will not attract enough disillusioned SNP sheep when they inevitably fail.
The Independence movement has to get rid off Sturgeon, start afresh, with honesty and integrity. It will take years but this is the only way forward. All via the ballot box.
The populace HAVE to be convinced.

It’s not going to happen I firmly believe the current SNP will string everyone along until eventually the old crooked Labour take over at Edinburgh.

We had our chances we did not take them I think we should stand down save ourselves the me and money.

Perhaps our children will start a campaign in a decade or so.

Sheeesh…that didn’t take long. The OP has only been up around 2 hours with 30 comments and the moon howling conspiracy nutters are already hijacking the thread with their “we’re doomed, doomed I tell ye!” fuckwittery.

Could we BUY her out? How much would it take to encourage her to go quietly and quickly?

I’m guessing no.

£600k disappeared and she didn’t even blush.

Nice to hear you agree about the nutters on MSM and nearly all other social outlets telling everyone through recorded televised meetings and summits their plans for the populations.
Even the MSM have discussed how it will collapse economies and capitalism.

I did not realise you watched DAVOS, the WEF, WHO, and such as the G7 etc summits as they progress.

Maybe I’m too easily triggered, but who the fk launches a Nationwide Independence Campaign via an “essay” sent to an online Sunday newspaper that’s only read by 2/3ds of the Wee Ginger Dug brigade, and even then, the launch IS marketed as an “exclusive”?

She’s having as much success with starting guns as she did with irons

She has a new tactic to use this time.

She simply takes a suitcase of booze into No 10 Downing St
at the next party there, gets Boris drunk, how could you tell,
Give him £200K to replace the wallpaper in the flat, £500k,
assure him you will cover up his misdemeanours for him and there you have it.

An Indy Ref, you are expecting Boris’s 8th baby, a multi million pound PPE Contract,
a Dame Hood and Nicola is the new Commander of the Met.

Wack a mole, oven ready, build it better, jam tomorrow Indy Exit Done!

Its not the starting gun that needs fired its Sturgeon the betrayer of Scots and her troughing clique.

I think we know which side Sturgeon is batting for an its not Scotland’s. I’m wondering why Sturgeon the betrayer is backing herself into a corner with this one, she’s promised so much for next year, that when it comes and goes without an indyref more indy minded folk will begin to think (apart for the Dugs Mugs) hang on a minute.

Or is Sturgeon going to going ask for the S30 knowing fine well Johnson will say no, and she can shrug her shoulders and say oh well I asked. Or is Sturgeon’s intentions to drag it through the courts when Johnson says no, knowing that at the end of the years long process the answer again will come down on the unions side, either way Sturgeon will come of out it smelling of roses, as she can say I tried my hardest but the baddies at Westminster and the Supreme court said no.

And whilst all this is going on and eating up precious time Westminster will be tightening the knot around legislation for an indyref and reducing Holyrood’s powers.

“The sane and educated citizen’s of Scotland have to be convinced that Independence will be better for us all.”

Chas.

Duh! If they are educated they should already know that independence is far better than being part of this ball and chain union.

What a dumb sentence.

allium

She can do as many Eva Peron esque world tours as she likes – we’ll never get independence while their WMD are docked here. Never.
That’s why Obama interfered in the first indyref & the masked threats of being outside NATO & no longer an ally to the US.
*Fakes surprised face* You know, I thought it was just that nasty man Putin who interfered in elections? Ummmm.. LOL!

I am worried that she possibly WILL hold some sort of half baked vote with the blessing of the British (under their rules) to sink Independence further and cement her place as Devo Queen.

She wouldn’t stand down. She’s divided the movement as never before; an opportunity? It’d be a risk for the British but Johnson is reckless.

Is anyone Watching Scottish Prism?

@Putin’s Poodle 2.12 pm

“This one obviously doesn’t realise the gravity of the situation, or doesn’t care more like.”

I care about Scotland’s independence, and seeing it achieved sooner rather than later. The general economic situation is pretty grave, as is the prospect of achieving independence any time soon, whether via referendum, plebiscitary elections or some other means.

The small minority who punt outlandish fringe beliefs and conspiracy theories ostensibly explaining why we’re not progressing faster towards our goal are a clear an present danger to the cause, arguably even more dangerous that the yoons and britnats, at least some of whom are open to reason and changing their beliefs.

The evidence seems to suggest the moon howlers aren’t for turning. They may still believe in the same ultimate goal as us, the real issue is how many ordinary folk do they scare off with their woo-woo?

I dont know how you will get this PM to agree to an Indy ref can someone explain how.That does not mean dont hold one but it has to be lagal .After all Alex Salmond got David Cameron to agree .Has anyone published what the current legal advice is.

It’s surprising the ISS has not announced Scotland visible especially from space since we have turned luminous orange from all the carrots so many have been eating from the SNP shop for Vegetables.

Andy Ellis says: 22 May, 2022 at 4:06 pm

The small minority who punt outlandish fringe beliefs and conspiracy theories ostensibly explaining why we’re not progressing faster towards our goal are a clear and present danger to the cause, arguably even more dangerous that the yoons and britnats, at least some of whom are open to reason and changing their beliefs.

This applies not merely to politics or other social campaigns, but to many matters in life.

Much of what we take for granted about recycling and green energy ought to have become more mainstream decades befure – especially since some of it (wind and water power) already had proven track records in human civilisation for a thousand years. But because the green lobby was hijacked by cranks and perverts the moment it got a whiff of mainstream interest, it had to fight damn hard to get a fair hearing, let along credibility.

At Uni, one of my tutor’s pet hobby horses was his hatred of so-called “local historians”, cranks hyped by local rags looking for any native crap to fill the pages (inbetween the other half of housing and car adverts) and given a public platform to peddle all manner of complete bollocks without a shred of evidence or David Irving levels of “interpretation” to fit their own romanticisms.

Their antics meant if there was anything of real intrinsic historical value worth investigating (esp. anything requiring a professional archeological dig), anyone attempting to investigate could kiss goodbye to central funding if it already had a reputation as being “Margaret Murray in the Fortean Times” material.

Conspiracy theories and “alternative” interpretations may be fun for their proponents in much the same way idle gossip makes the humdrum of the school day or work day more interesting, but their fans don’t care less about the very real damage they do – fine examples of “with friends like these, who needs enemies!”

James Che. says:
22 May, 2022 at 3:18 pm

Is anyone Watching Scottish Prism?

Yeah, I watched it. Another good one I thought. It’s a bit of a time warp because the hour just shoots by.

Are we really, after all we’ve seen in recent years (esp to Alex Salmond) still tolerating use of the term ‘conspiracy theory’ to shut down discussion?

If we take our independence seriously then we have to discuss it seriously. That can’t happen when we have a constant stream of fact-free bluster masquerading as informed opinion.

Ian Brotherhood@ 5.17pm.

Alex Salmond was 100% fitted up to try and get him off the scene, because they fear him, again because he wants independence for Scotland.

We know who uses the “conspiracy theories BS and for what reasons.

Being careful not to drop the good Rev in it, Tw!tter has a very interesting thread trending in Politics concerning a certain event at a certain hotel.

“/space lizards/Illuminati ”

Agent Ellis.

Typical attempt to poison the well with the nonsense above, nobody mentioned that only you.

@David Ritchie 4.23 pm

BoJo will never agree to #indyref2, and neither will a future Labour administration. Unless forced to do so by a successful legal challenge from the Scottish government, they will stick to their interpretation of the devolutionary settlement which is that referendums – or at least one concerning independence – is beyond the competence of Holyrood.

Thus, since the current SNP doesn’t have the balls to undertake the legal challenge (which it could have done at any point in the last 8 years), it’s left with the alternatives of calling a “wildcat” non-S30 Order sanctioned referendum. Sturgeon has already ruled that out.

There is no current legal advice, and constitutional lawyers differ on whether a S30 Order is actually required. The discussions were had as far back as 2012 prior to #indyref1. The smart money is sadly on a legal case finding against a Scottish Government claim that it can hold a referendum without Westminster’s “permission”, however much we may consider it morally unjustifiable where Holyrood has a clear electoral mandate.

In the end, that’s why plebiscitary elections have to be put front and centre in future. A majority gained in a General Election by pro-independence parties specifically stating that 50% + 1 votes for pro-indy parties is a mandate is enough. The issue is convincing the SNP to get in line: Sturgeon and her devolusionist mates certainly won’t sign up for that: they’re still wedded to the “Gold Standard” S30 sanctioned indyref route.

@Putin’s Poodle 5.53 pm

” “/space lizards/Illuminati ” ……Typical attempt to poison the well with the nonsense above, nobody mentioned that only you.”

These things exist on a continuum though. Your uncritical regurgitation of Kremlin agitprop is little different in the views of sensible folk to those touting anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories, climate change denial or blood and soil nativism.

What you all have in common, even if you don’t all intersect on every issue, is a wrong headed belief that such fringe views help the independence cause, or that they are given any crecit by more than a vanishingly small number within the movement. You’re on record as saying the Ukrainians had it coming FFS! you’ve never rowed back from it. You and anyone who shares such views is a stain on the independence movement.

@Ian Bunchedpanties 5.56 pm

“The reason that some of us prefer not to address Ellis directly is that he has proven himself incapable of civilised discussion.”

Or in your case much more likely that you lack the wit to defend your woo-woo propositions…? Yup…that’d be it.

I suppose we should just be grateful you’re not Ruby engaged in her usual “cunt-calling” in lieu of an actual point?

Twathater @6.00pm

Absolutely right. Least worst choice is what is happening in Scottish elections.
Something has happened to compel Sturgeon to pull the trigger (again). Possibly backing from Westminster for her next job (following the interview in America) if she goes for a referendum now when Boris grants it, in the belief that it is doomed to failure. She will say ‘I tried, and did what you wanted’, and disappears into the sunset, leaving Scotland high and dry.
Might be time to take Stu’s bet. So sad.

There is a distinct division between 5 or 6 people on here and the rest of the Scottish independence grass roots whom are not politically tied to a political party or to contractual agreements with governance.

The grass roots seem to be the ones coming up with alternative ideas, plan B or C’s wether they have any impact or not in the future is neither here nor there at this moment in time,

They are simply suggestions and ideas for alternatives. All focused on one aim.

We all Throw in news items into the mix, that we have heard from around the world.
If they turn out to be correct later on at least we can be prepared.
A bit like hunter bidens laptop deniel by MSM that turned out to be not such a conspiracy theory after all.
Although it was put across as russia collusion conspiracy at the time.

The grass roots keep each other informed, we are quite capable to wait, listen and see what develops,

As to conspiracy.
Do you mean like the Good old McCrones report.
Imagine if the Scots had mentioned it before it became public.
I suppose we would all have been branded conspiracy theorist before the truth came out.

RepublicofScotland.

I think claus swabb said the trudeau an pal- lenski were his children,

stonefree says:
22 May, 2022 at 5:06 pm

‘There is a phrase I’ve forgotten, But it means someone who gets promoted to failure’

It’s The Peter Principle
‘In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence’

@Republic of Scotland 6:40

“The Ukrainians were planning a huge invasion force into the Donbas”

Naw, they werena.

So the Ukrainians are now responsible for the food shortages that are going to raise our prices and starve millions across the Middle East and Africa?

Naw, they’re naw.

“The truth is …”

We can all only hope that you one day wangle an introduction to the truth, Repo. But right now, post after post after post, you and the truth are strangers.

The only way that Sturgeon will allow a referendum to go ahead is if she was promised a job at her recent American jaunt.

Just read that Boris had a secret meeting with Sue Gray.
Now that it’s leaked we are assured Boris only enquired if photos of the parties would be included, however she is free to use them if she wants to he says.

They did not discuss the detail of the report?

What the hell did they have a meeting for or about if not the detail and an offer of rewards
for using a big bottle of Tipex on it.

@Putin’s Poodle 7.16 pm

“Scroll to 3.13, its really remarkable how candid this senator is.”

You’ve fluffed this guy before: he’s a 2 bit member of the Virginia State senate who retired in 2019, not a national senator. He’s a far right nut job who opposed Medicaid expansion. Pro Assad too. Very much on the nutter fringe of US politics, so I can see why you’d have such fellow feeling.

“It must hurt to be on the wrong side of history”

Agent Ellis.

I bet you were blushing whilst typing the above, I know if I were on your team I would, but then again its your remit to push this agenda. You see Ellis I know what you are.

Anyway, there will be more shortages in the West, most of them will be self inflicted via the 6,700 sanctions applied against Russia, the West is led by donkeys who only care about enriching themselves, the Great Satan’s war on Russia and eventually China via Taiwan will see poverty get worse as ordinary people struggle more and more to make ends meet, to heat their homes and feed their children.

Do you think Johnson, or Sunak, or Biden or Scholz or Sturgeon will have to worry about making ends meet. The Great Satan’s war on Russia via Ukraine will be very costly to European and American citizens for years to come, and WE will pick up the bill.

@Putin’s Poodle 8.36 pm

“You see Ellis I know what you are.”

The voice of reason perhaps? You’d probably find it hard to recognise from your MO, but alert readers and most ordinary folk in the movement can spot a moon howling charlatan like you a mile off.

Unlike you of course, folk know who I am because I’m not a snivelling anonymous online coward who is so ashamed of his views that he’s scared to own them publicly.

We don’t know who you are, but we can take a good guess tovarich.

Back O/T if we can wrest the movement from the hands of the moon howling fraternity…

Since it’s obvious we aren’t getting #indyref2 on the Sturgeonistas watch what do those not on the nutter fringe think the next steps should be, whether for Alba or just the movement in general.*

(*Obvs you might have to scroll past some guff about “we wuz robbed”, “the furriners dun it and are swamping us”, “it’s all a great conspiracy and the WEF’s fault” or James’ latest hot take about why the Treaty of Westphalia and the Schleswig Holstein question are relevant…but you get the picture.)

Ffs Ellis, you should start your own blog for non-nutters and give us nutters a rest.

– the voices in his head.

Ellis posts have degenerated into structureless permutations of stock phrases. Best ignored.

1 whole hour later:

Who is this ‘we’?
and do ‘they’ have a fully developed moon howler inclusive education program?

Or are your ‘we’ just a figment of your employer’s rather fetid fears?

@James Che

Only way to ever gain our independence is to take it.

Close Holyrood that’s tied up in knots under The Scotland Act.
Don’t waste time on any legal challenge that would tie it up for decades & would be found in yoons favour anyway.
Reconvene the REAL Scottish parliament.
Get finger out of arse & start infrastructure – starting with ports.
Bury the notion we not only need the English *permission* but 300 other countries too oh & lest we forget the EU with this internationally recognised myth! we’ll be asking the Aliens too at this rate! We’re already recognised. We have resources to sell. Countries who want it will buy. The end.
Send nothing & no on to Westminster on behalf of Scotland. It only gives that place legitimacy.
Scotland has a vote. Day one of next election found in favour is the day our independence is declared – not asked for.

Source for the highly suspish tens of thousands registering to vote only 10 days out from indyref.

It’s the BBC si it must be true!

PS it was outsiders who lost us the vote. A university did a full report of the stats on indy vote. EU citizens & rUK residents lost us the YES vote. If required I’ll link the source to that too.

link to bbc.co.uk

link to archive.ph

I hate Boris Johnson, but jeezo, even I find this insufferably boring.

The office of UK Prime Minister can get away with war crimes, murderous foreign policy, and borderline murderous domestic policy, but be a crass, partying piss head, and we never hear the end of it.

“Seeking grace from a graceless face”, is the expression that comes to mind.

Stop the incessant fucking whining and actually DO something.

Blackford’s one day career peaked when the SNP stood up, walked out of Westminster and for a few hours gave Scotland hope, then it ended abruptly when he slithered back in to whine forevermore with negligible potency.

Between him and Witless Wishart, when the Tories get to their feet and walk out, I honestly cannot blame them. All they hear is Charlie Brown’s teacher.

link to youtube.com

Next time the SNP find the courage to get to their feet and walk out, (I know, fat chance), Scotland will owe the Tories a favour if they lock the doors behind them.

Wings’ battle against Scottish ignorance is beautiful!

@Repo 8:36

“Great Satan’s eventual war on China via Taiwan”

Careful, Repo, your MO is exposed.

Basically, any nation or national grouping that desires self-determination is nought but a tool of the USA.

So if Scotland ever becomes free, you will have no choice but to demand our destruction.

I really think your life would be so much simpler if you could just accept that some nations want freedom, democracy and self-determination, but the lunatic strand is now so woven into your identity that you just can’t let it go.

That’s your karma I guess.

John Main,
I think the problem is not that we need a better plan but that we need our representatives to implement it. Unfortunately for us, they are simply not up for the job.

The wider problem regarding this is that we have what seems to be a rather large number of pro independence supporters and voters who believe that we do indeed have the right people in the job.

We have people like Paul Kavanagh convincing people that everything was on track and that Boris Johnson as PM would be a catalyst for a tsunami of independence support and would quickly be embarrassed into signing off a Section 30 for Nicola Sturgeon.
That he would have no choice other than to deliver us a “gold standard” independence referendum.
That he would have no choice but to cooperate with us at every turn for fear of National and international chastisement.

I’ve no idea if this is still his position but he has done enough to convince the gullible to follow the SNP up a dead end street.

Andy Ellis says:
22 May, 2022 at 10:14 pm

Back O/T if we can wrest the movement from the hands of the moon howling fraternity…

paul says: 22 May, 2022 at 10:41 pm Ellis is a big jobby

paul says: 22 May, 2022 at 11:52 pm Ellis is a big jobby.

At least he’s not getting under your skins or anything …

Mark Boyle,
I’m sorry if I’ve upset you by not taking your mate very seriously but I am allowed to have a different opinion.

Breeks re Whiney Blackford

It was on the advice of Salmond to walk out. He even had to give the sniveling feckwit chapter & verse of the parliamentary rule to envoke. If you watch again you can even see Grady prod him *Do it, do it now’ while he hesitated like a rabbit caught in headlights to his big grand announcement.

No backbone. No Spine. We’ve sent a bunch of feckwits to WM who’ve achieved feck all but feather their nests & take a seat at the trough. Barstewards! I’ll never vote for them again. Whether it’s 56 or 40 + makes no difference. It’s an English parliament.

Regards someone’s comment on SNP taking back control of Scotland. They’ve been in power 15 years. I’d have imagined a party whose sole aim is for Indy, to start the ball rolling & start implementing the infrastructure needed, slowly & gradually if needed, in preparation from the glorious day we’re out!

But Naw, it appears everyone wants to follow the rules. FFS!
Aye, a bullying neighbour who is asset stripping an abundance of natural resources while controlling it’s population at the same time is suddenly going to say, ok Jocks, have your independence, I wish you well!
They’re going to be nice about it while they’ve just shot their cash cow dead!
Never gonna happen!
Re, Scots being stupid, aye – this current cabal is. They won’t move on indy until they have cast iron gaurantees it will be a YES vote but not only do we need England’s permission, oh no- we need the whole wide world to agree to!
Also never going to happen!

Beauty about the conspiracy theory theory is that you dont need much of a referendum, never mind S30 agreement to one, to break free – because what would be the point in either if the cheating opposition are, indeed, cheating..

The video of AS delivering ALBA’s post-election message a week after the result showed him looking refreshed, upbeat, and seemingly pleased that the council hurdle was out of the way. But after a 2% return and zero councillors from 111 candidates, I would have thought that instead of brushing the result aside and claiming progress there would be a pause and time for reflection on policy, strategy, the party-political broadcast, and especially, why the ALBA message is not connecting with the public. But my first reaction after seeing the results was ‘time for a reality check if ALBA is to survive’.

I can’t understand how a first-time independent candidate in my ward, with no national party machine behind her, no TV broadcast, no 5-point plan, could drop a bland A5 size leaflet, devoid of colour, through our letterbox two days before the election and then become elected, while the sitting ALBA candidate couldn’t muster 100 votes.

I can’t understand how The Rubbish Party, formed in 2017, who won a seat – with one candidate – at the first time of asking, and retained the seat two weeks ago, yet ALBA drew a blank.

I can’t understand how we (presumably) targeted our best 111 wards, yet one candidate could muster only 48 votes.

The overall figure of 2% support appears to be a slight increase on 2021, but is it really? How could so many of the 111 fail to get 100 first pref. votes when you consider that surely each candidate had banked votes from family, friends, neighbours, work colleagues, social media contacts, local ALBA members/supporters etc? Subtracting those votes from their total would suggest that few outside the ALBA bubble were persuaded to for vote us, and certainly not 2%. But why?

In July 2021, a news item announced ALBA’s 6,000th member, but recent figures suggest there has been little movement since. As numerous comments here have touched on, it is just not happening for ALBA, and as has previously been said on Wings, I too am bewildered by the Scottish psyche.

If my exasperation is perceived as an attack on ALBA, or AS, then I have written poorly. Many, perhaps most of us, would have done some things differently within ALBA, but overall, they didn’t do anything to put voters off, there were many good public meetings, the message was positive, and the party is ethically, morally, and authentically way ahead of anything else on offer at the ballot box.

It’s been said frequently that we need a leader – or leaders – but the problem is that there is nobody around that compares to AS.
It’s also been said frequently that we need the YES movement to unite and reignite that passion again, but it is in limbo: even here we don’t/won’t report or discuss last week’s march or yesterday’s first ALBA public meeting post-election. Tinto Chiel @ 10.16am today is the only reference I’ve seen to the AUOB march on 14 May.

At some point the message WILL get out into the streets, towns, schemes, because the dire policies of this administration, the corruption, the deceit, and the incompetence, will come home to roost. We also know we are heading for the most chilling attack on the living standards of low earners since rationing.
It may be at that point, perhaps around Christmas, as tens of thousands freeze and can’t pay crippling energy bills, the outpouring of anger that will ensue may result in widespread unrest and demands for change.

But, sadly, I don’t see a surge in support for ALBA: if the public rightly conclude that all elected politicians share the blame, it is more likely that they will unite behind a non-party movement, communicate and organise via social media, and demands for change – independence? – will become irresistible.

Staring pistols are usually loaded with blanks.

I look forward to michael russell unveiling the SNP branded peashooter (the secret part 12 of the revolution) out of the horse box, if he can remember where he fly tipped it.

I’m actually beginning to wonder if this is all about BRICS.

For those that don’t know, BRICS is the trading bloc between Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

Iran and Venezuela are on board too I think. In fact, anybody with an axe to grind against “The West” seems granted a fast track entry. Argentina, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Mexico and Turkey have expressed strong interest in full membership, while Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, Sudan, Syria and Pakistan have also expressed interest.

Think about it. It has a footprint on every Continent, well nearly…

BRICS countries have been planning a sub-marine fibre optic cable communications system to carry telecommunications between the BRICS countries, because they’re concerned that using US or European communication networks are compromised and not secure.

Just think about that a moment. If that’s they way they feel about communications, what do suppose their attitude towards the $ or Euro is going to be?

The SNP are CAC:

Colonial Administrator Charlatans

@Ebok
At the risk of coming over as a moon howler LOL!
I’d say it’s rigged.
Just like her court case was rigged.
If the yoons hate the SNPEEE they hate Salmond even more, that & the current anti Salmond cabal within at least agree on. He is a clear & present danger & must be removed at all costs, even if that includes jumped up charges resulting in a £500k payout & legal advice.

SNP remain in power because yoons aren’t daft. They’ll vote with their wallet! That’s what selfish barstewards do! That includes holding their nose at the polling booth in Mickey mouse local elections. SNPEEE can mitigate harsh Tory polices for them while they enjoy all those *free benefits* they bleat endlessly about being a waste of money.
I think SNP should stop mitigating Tory policies. They want Yoons in charge? Let them have it! All of it! Unleash full force. Let them pay prescriptions, child care, elderly care, toll charges, etc etc! Then & only then will there be change, imo.
Even if they’d no Gas & Starving – they’d still demand SNP fix it for them.
COVID soon had those doff cap wearing serfs from under their rocks bleating endlessly for SNP to fix furlough for them & how they’d to pay extortionate rates to see a dentist privately. SNPEE.. I demand you fix this immediately for meee!
They can’t, it’s reserved.
They can use their funds for independence to help – or funds from X,Y,Z!

*Rolls eyes*

It’s like Sunak doesn’t exist for these tossers! They like the idea of a Union & BoJo? Let them have a taste of it.

Firing blanks is all Sturgeon has done since 2014, that and kissing England’s backside.

Conspireracy theorist at it again.

First case of monkey pox in Scotland. Or something similar bill gates said.

But wait!

We have a vaccine that works.
Health Scotland are going to give SMALLPOX vaccines to patients.

Wait for it, wait ….wait,
Roll up roll up Money to made on vaccines and ppe, roll up.

Lockup your people for two years, while we party,
Get them all to clapped for the privatised busted NHS.

And leave our borders wide open again, all flights in-coming, and travel staystations and campers allowed to spread all virus’s across britian the borders of britian to continue.

Just lockup lowly people around the world, roll up, roll up we also have a bridge to sell you.

One of the btl comments on the WGD site shows a remarkable blind spot. He/She refers to ‘Groundhog Day’ in relation to current Tory and Unionist scandals. He/She has completely missed the real ‘Groundhog Day’ as laid out above by WoS.
I am crippled marching up and down the hill and deafened by the repeated firing a the starting pistol. That is real ‘Groundhog Day@ stuff.

“BTW Andy only moved up to Scotland again after 25 years in surrey and didn’t even vote in indyref 1 BUT he knows where EVERYBODY is going wrang…”

Is that so, Surrey has a long history of military barracks including the infamous Deepcut.

link to getsurrey.co.uk

@triggered 2.54 am

1) “@ Geri 2.02 am yir wasting yir time wae that one Geri , andy has stated publicly and categorically that we wuzn’t robbed and if anybody DARES tae meddle wi the franchise he will ACTIVELY WORK AGAINST INDEPENDENCE because his wife ,daughter and now inlaws have moved up from england to Scotland and they DESERVE a vote , he says the university report is a lot of PISH”

I stated I’d campaign against any attempts to change the franchise to align with the regressive blood and soil nativism of the fringe nutters in here. That’s not the same as saying I’v campaign against independence. Your intellectual dishonesty is showing again. People who live here and contribute deserve a say. It’s not rocket science. Hardly any other self determination referendums impose residence criteria, and when they do it’s invariably around 24 months. You are – like all the other fringe nutters – still avoiding Stu Campbell’s fisking of the regressive nativist position from last year. Either you lack the wit to do so, or you know your argument is crap because only a small minority agree with your QAnon/Trumpist BS.

2) “Andy also asserts because he knows what EVERYONE is thinking that outsiders didn’t lose us independence it is our own fault it is because we Scots are too stupid and cowardly”

It’s simple arithmetic. >80% of the electorate are Scots born. Indigenous. Natives. Yet the movement can’t cobble together 50% +1 from that and the “New Scots” who support independence. Blaming others for our own lack of cojones is just a cop out. Doing it while wrapping yourself in the regressive banner of ethnic nationalism is a betrayal of the civic nationalist movement. I’d say you should all be ashamed of yourselves, but you patently have no shame, or indeed moral compasses.

3) “BTW Andy only moved up to Scotland again after 25 years in surrey and didn’t even vote in indyref 1 BUT he knows where EVERYBODY is going wrang
Andy has his own blog that naebody visits so he likes to come on WOS to bait the patriots and natives”

So what? I spend half my life here and half in England. Big whoop. I didn’t get a vote because I didn’t live here then, which is fair enough. I never believed Scots in the diaspora should get a vote and still don’t. I believe you’re wrong, yes. I also believe – and it’s a racing certainty I’m right – that you and the nativists are in a pretty small minority. Shrieking about it won’t change the facts. You can assert the opposite is true all you like, but there’s no evidence for any desire within the movement to change the franchise in any significant way.

You seem obsessed with the fact I have a redundant wordpress site that I never really kept up. Each time you mention it, people go and look. I’d forgotten about it altogether until you kept repeatedly signposting to it in here. You’re really a bit odd. I’m not baiting anyone, and certainly wouldn’t accept you and others in here claiming to be patriots. Regressive blood and soil nativists, yes. Guilty as charged. This is like shooting fish in a barrel or playing whack a mole: it can be fun and quite diverting. It’s always good to put regressive conspiracy theorists in their place.

@ Tinto chiel 10.16am and Ebok , TBQH I was gutted NOT to attend the AUOB marches , my wife and I attended quite a few and enjoyed the camaraderie and joy of marching with people AGAINST the union and who all shared the vision and wanted independence , my daughter even came up from london to take part especially , as she also believed in Scotland’s indy

BUT again this is another thing that the scum snp and sturgeon have robbed us of and SOURED , there are snp troughers giving speeches (lies) and encouraging the faithful to BELIEVE when it is PLAINLY OBVIOUS they are taking the piss and only saying what needs to be said to stay at the trough
Then you have the woke tartan taliban with their banners and posters supporting and pushing the GRA , WTF has that to do with indy and that will certainly encourage the females to participate, so reluctantly we feel we cannot take part in the marches because they are being USED FALSELY to suggest that sturgeon and her arsewipes are doing a good job when in reality we all know the opposite is true

All Under One Banner meant independence despite party affiliation it has turned into an snp collective with GRA policies front and centre , IF AUOB are serious about INDEPENDENCE they should arrange a PROTEST MARCH AGAINST THE SECT 30 PISH , a protest March to CONFRONT sturgeon and to DEMAND she implements a plebiscitery election ASAP and keep up the pressure.

FFS WE , A WHOLE COUNTRY are being held to ransom by one dictatorial narcissistic incompetent deviant who is DRIVING US into POVERTY and servitude and all WE can do is whinge

Ebok I have NEVER been a member of a political party because they ALL stink , they are all in it to better themselves and if that helps the plebs , good

As for Alex Salmond and ALBA if that piece of scum and her cohorts had attempted to do what they did to him I would move heaven and earth to destroy them , but there is no sign of even the legal action against Evans ,or anyone
AS is reported to have said that he has enough evidence to bury them, Alex give me a shovel or start a crowdfunder
Surely in his time in office Alex must have made more friends and allies than he did enemies so where are they , are they content to see Scotland and her people poverty stricken and subdued by a lunatic

link to news.sky.com

@ebok.
Your points are exactly what I had wondered.
why indeed did so many of the 111 who were very well known previous successful politicians and states people in their own right not break through at all.
knowing how polling worked or did nt at 2014 referendum as well as a very straight former old SNP Lanarkshire Councillor and his view of the honesty in council elections.
The answer may be something untoward happened to many of the votes that Alba candidates actually received.
Remember we have no independent observers or guardians of the count and or voting papers.
I think I have said enough. ?

Of course if the Scottish people have rejected an early Independence vote then why have the Scottish Government challenged the ICO decision 048/2022. The answer they don’t want the people to know they can’t hold an Independence Referendum. A legal argument devoid of points in law atypical of Nicola Sturgeon. Meanwhile the movement are taking for mugs again.

@Effigy 10:34pm
I will spell it out in 3 bears language if you want to talk about corrupt Government. The Information Commissioner states that the legal advice given to the Scottish Government on their right to hold an Independence Referendum should be made publicly available redacted of course but with the fundamentals laid bare. The Scottish Government are contesting this decision on the basis its not in their parties interest. The definition of corrupt Government.

Ian McCubbin says:
23 May, 2022 at 8:09 pm

@ebok.
Your points are exactly what I had wondered.
why indeed did so many of the 111 who were very well known previous successful politicians and states people in their own right not break through at all.
knowing how polling worked or did nt at 2014 referendum as well as a very straight former old SNP Lanarkshire Councillor and his view of the honesty in council elections.
The answer may be something untoward happened to many of the votes that Alba candidates actually received.
Remember we have no independent observers or guardians of the count and or voting papers.
I think I have said enough. ?”

“Remember we have no independent observers or guardians of the count and or voting papers.”

What do you think candidates being allowed Counting Agents at the count are for?

If there was some sort of “grand conspiracy”, how did the Tories lose a seat in North Lanarkshire to someone whose “manifesto” amounted to “‘Mon The Rangers ‘un The Sash Ma Da Wore ‘un that!”?

Why was the sole Alba candidate in Renfrewshire massacred whilst Andy Doig, someone who left the SNP under trumped up charges of “homophobia” (which the pro-SNP press still loves to bring up, even though he was vindicated!) topped the poll in his ward as an independent yet again?

Why did the Rubbish Party retain its sole seat in Ayrshire?

I’ve already been through this (the post appears to have vanished …) but the cold hard facts are Alba and the ISP’s “campaigns” were derisory – and it’s long past both facing up to the fact. Yes, so was the main parties in the main, but they at least had the benefit of national “brand names” and TV coverage. They could afford the luxury of one or two token

Both these parties ought to have been fighting four times as hard to establish themselves in their localities, and long before these elections may I add. They did nothing of the kind.

Those Alba members who were sitting councillors clearly believed – in the most appalling naivity – that being the sitting councillor would be enough to get them back in, even though the whole point of the multi-member ward system was to favour “brand loyalty” over personal followings and thus keep elected party members in line and fearing deselection for dissent.

It would be nice to think both will have learned some lessons, but judging from their pronouncements since, it appears both are determined to carry on making the same old mistakes and same old failed strategies (inbetween squabbling with each other like children on a long car journey) from now until Scotland is renamed Transrainbowtartania with Sturgeon named First Amongst More Equal Than Others for life.

“Alba didn’t break through again. That means the Scottish people have rejected an early Independence vote.”

George Ferguson.

How does the above equate to folk rejecting an early indy vote?

@Republicofscotland 9:58pm
What other conclusion can you draw from the poor electoral performance of Alba? Reinforced by a Survation poll just after the local elections that measured only 29% were in favour of a referendum in 2023. An early Independence vote is not going to happen. The Scot Gov do not have the legal authority, logistically it’s already too late even if there was the political will and legal basis. My objection to the SNP stance is that they have been and are being dishonest by continually dangling the Independence carrot. The SNP took the Independence movement and abused their trust for their own ends. A day of reckoning is overdue.

@George Ferguson 24 May, 2022 at 10:34 am

Agreed.

But credit where it’s due. As Rev Stu’s post makes clear, the SNP have the size of the boxes on the ballots specified to the nearest millimeter, so don’t let anybody say they have not been busy.

Me, I’m a wee bit disappointed. I thought that, post-Brexit, they might have specified the box size in inches, but hey ho.

(21mm = just over 13/16 inch)