The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Europe and the crystal bawbags

Posted on December 11, 2011 by

The media commentariat – or at least, that majority of it which sits in the Unionist camp – has been in quite the foment ever since David Cameron's refusal to do whatever it was he refused to do at the EU summit this week. (Despite thousands of column inches and airtime minutes having been devoted to hyperbole on the subject this week, nobody actually seems very sure of what, if anything, has or is about to meaningfully change in the lives of the British citizenry as a result.)

In Scotland's press, the consensus is that whatever it was that happened (or possibly didn't happen) is a massive game-changer in the campaign for independence. Pundit after pundit has lined up to hyperbolically proclaim the huge impact that this will have on the referendum, and more broadly on the SNP's thinking with regard to its attitude to Europe. The Scotsman in particular is beside itself with excitement – Eddie Barnes posits some worst-case scenarios including the UK leaving the EU entirely while the paper's twin old Tory buffers Alf Young and Bill Jamieson both tack a few paragraphs of Scottish scaremongering onto the back of a pieces about the ramifications for Britain generally, with Jamieson's ending with the spectacular assertion that "an independent Scotland would be little more than the fetid fag-end of a Vichy vassalage".

Everyone agrees that as a matter of urgency the First Minister must rush back from China with a definitive statement on what this all means for Scotland, its future choice of currency and its future relationship with the EU, lest the electorate be left uninformed on these critical issues when the referendum rolls around in three or four years time. Which, our more alert viewers will probably be pondering, is missing the point by a fair few kilometres.

The most obvious thing to note, of course, is that the referendum is years away, and nobody has the faintest idea what condition the Eurozone will be in next Tuesday, far less in 2014 or 2015. Coming up with any sort of plans at this stage would be a huge, idiotic waste of everyone's time, because the entire continent could have turned upside-down half a dozen times by then. It's entirely conceivable that there might not even be a Eurozone by 2015, or indeed by next spring.

It doesn't get you any headlines for dynamic, thrusting governance, but sometimes the only remotely sane thing to do is wait and see how things pan out. The fact is that any possible independent Scottish membership of the Euro is realistically AT LEAST ten years away – we have to have a referendum, if it's won there will be a lengthy period of negotiation over the details and the paperwork, then an absolute minimum of a couple of years using Sterling in the meantime, then another referendum on whether we want to join the Euro, then in the event of a Yes vote there's a minimum of two years of participation in ERM2 as a condition of being allowed to adopt the currency.

So even if Scotland becomes independent and rushes to join the Euro far faster and more enthusiastically than anyone imagines possible, we're looking at 2021 at the very earliest before it would actually happen. That's at least two Scottish Parliament elections away, at which point the sheer stupidity of demanding the current Scottish Government peers into the ever-shifting mists of the future and gives us its considered view on the subject right this minute becomes all too apparent.

The second silly aspect of the manufactured furore is the assumption that most of the Scottish electorate gives much of a hoot anyway. The turnout in Scotland for the last European elections was a staggeringly low 28.6%, which doesn't seem to suggest that it's a burning issue for the voters. And when the BBC conducted a Scottish poll in April 2011 to find out the top 25 political topics people cared about, it didn't even bother to include a single Europe-related one in the list.

The defenders of the Union are adopting something of a scattergun approach, blasting away blindly with anything they can lay their hands on in the desperate hope that something – anything – might stick, and throw even a few grains of sand into the wheels of the independence campaign's momentum. So far, none of it has worked. No matter what angle they use to try to strike terror into the heart of the Scottish public – the economy will collapse, we'll be overrun by Al-Qaeda, you won't be able to visit your granny in Carlisle – the electorate just gazes at them with the mixture of contempt and pity you reserve for the guy in the street with the shabby coat, the long unkempt beard and the placard reading "THE END IS NIGH".

Trying to frighten Scottish people into staying in one Union, while simultaneously shrieking that to do so will be to strand us on the periphery of another that the UK is dramatically distancing itself from, is a bizarre and contradictory stance which isn't likely to improve their fortunes any. We're not sure that hysterically demanding Alex Salmond suddenly develops the ability to see a decade into the future is going to be a magical vote-winner. The positive case for the Union seems further away than ever.

Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a thing that exists.

    Stats: 6,945 Posts, 1,246,395 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • twathater on Search And Replace: “Dan as soon as I read that post on yesthink.scot I thought I was reading something from Chas, Aydan, or…Jul 7, 03:09
    • robertkknight on Search And Replace: “You’ve not been paying attention. I do vote. I go into a booth and if no candidate takes my fancy…Jul 6, 22:32
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: ““humans haven’t suddenly evolved to be twice the size we were a few decades ago” False memories there? Try looking…Jul 6, 22:29
    • Dan on Search And Replace: “@ Confused at 1:23 pm On form today C! As the mentalists continue to wage war, and Musk and others…Jul 6, 21:47
    • Dunx on Search And Replace: “With the Catholics you also got the inquisition. Their main weapon was fear.Jul 6, 21:12
    • Southernbystander on Search And Replace: “Up to a point, I don’t disagree Alf, but all racism is bad, no matter its origin, and nationalists also…Jul 6, 20:15
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “You are all singing from the same BBC hymn sheet. Nothing will distract from the disaster that is now Scotland.…Jul 6, 19:56
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “You don’t vote but you could go on and on about Reform. You are suddenly an expert on Reform corruption.…Jul 6, 19:38
    • Alf Baird on Search And Replace: ““committed racists” Colonialism is described as ‘hateful racism’ (Cesaire); thus, colonialists must be ‘committed racists’. Scots ‘unionists’ evidently still need…Jul 6, 19:13
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: ““The oppressive jackboot of the coloniser will never be lifted from the throats of the wretched, nor the alien, colonising…Jul 6, 19:02
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: “The Central and Southern American peoples who practiced centralised government, settled agriculture, irrigation and monumental building in stone were not…Jul 6, 18:53
    • James on Search And Replace: “Is it no past your bed time wee man? “…..I don’t know whether you’re doing your regular piss take or…Jul 6, 18:39
    • robertkknight on Search And Replace: “Sure, and the only way to beat a cocaine addiction is to use heroine and vote Reform. Any other random…Jul 6, 18:33
    • TURABDIN on Search And Replace: “on the subject of «areswipes», this ought to win a prize for the AI generated variety. https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/eustons-transformation-success-depends-on-taking-a-people-and-place-based-approach-03-07-2026/ London the Great…Jul 6, 16:40
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “The only way Scotland can even begin to start a fresh independence movement is to learn from the past and…Jul 6, 16:26
    • Marie on Search And Replace: “Hate-filled @ 11.59hrs. You haven’t been cruel to me in the slightest. I am well aware of the theft of…Jul 6, 16:04
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “Dave the Jewish Jew hater.Jul 6, 15:56
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “@Hatey That’s the point about these people. They are in a constant state of funeral.Jul 6, 15:45
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: “Finding out his real name is Dave was the last straw.Jul 6, 15:31
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “Police told “stop the woke culture and get on with catching criminals” Are Police Scotland listening?Jul 6, 15:17
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “Big ugly Zak is getting the chop. Way to toxic for the liberals and not Marxist enough for the Antifa…Jul 6, 15:02
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: “In excess of 7 million deaths were attributed to Covid by April 2024 when the gathering of international statistics ceased.…Jul 6, 14:59
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “Is it not time you started sharing those drugs you are on so the rest of us can keep up?Jul 6, 14:47
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: “Credit where credit’s due, Mark. They know how to stage a good funeral. I doubt that even the North Koreans…Jul 6, 14:31
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “Tuberculosis was the weapon used. Very effective. Maximum fatality. No cure at that time. The same method used successfully all…Jul 6, 14:29
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: “Ah, c’moan noo, Confused. I can’t believe you’re lumping appeals for G@z@ in with that.Jul 6, 14:19
    • Mark Beggan on Search And Replace: “You never mentioned the Tea Towel carpet lickers. You know. The inbreds who think it’s still the 8th Century and…Jul 6, 14:11
    • Hatey McHateface on Search And Replace: “I wondered if somebody would post that the Aztecs “had it coming”. Thanks, Confused. Good to be reminded occasionally, if…Jul 6, 14:09
    • james on Search And Replace: “Lorncal There is no specific statutory laws under Scots law that concern the “ring-fencing” of internal political donations. However case…Jul 6, 14:08
    • Captain Caveman on Search And Replace: “Do you reckon Fanon would send the ‘keeper the wrong way in a penalty shoot out, Alf? He might be…Jul 6, 14:08
  • A tall tale



↑ Top