At the Seven-Eleven
Posted on
November 07, 2023 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Wings Over Scotland is 12 years old today. And since absolutely nothing is happening in the world of Scottish independence – and hasn’t for, frankly, years – we thought we’d take you on a trip back to the day we were born, since when things DID change.
Remember when we had a leader who could get the UK government to do stuff it didn’t want to do, readers? AND actually increase support for independence? Good times.
Michael Moore?
Ah yes.
What became of him?
Bonne anniversaire!
Just twelve years but the political landscape has changed beyond recognition. Yes, they were good times and it’s sobering to have this reminder that we had a leader who put his country first, understood what mattered to people and knew how to lead.
Happy Birthday, Wings.
Your achievements do you proud.
Happy Birthday Wings.
😉
The progress Scotland, and independence, made between 2007-2014 was staggering. We built a movement and took Scotland right almost there. 2015 we cemented that progress by giving the SNP 56/59 MPs. Since then, they’ve taken us backwards in every single way. And the bastards have the cheek to – now they have Murray Foote leading them – continually try to re-write history. I couldn’t hate a party it it’s leader any more than I hate the SNP and Sturgeon. I’ll never forgive them for squandering (at best), destroying at worse our best opportunities.
I have to confess something. I didn’t really appreciate what a great leader Alex Salmond was until I saw how badly his successors let us down.
Jerry Sadowitz, Scottish Free Speech, and train syntribation:
https://whorattledyourcage.blogspot.com/2023/11/are-you-uncomfortable-part-one-free.html?m=1
Happy birthday???
The only politician ever to have got us a referendum, and see how the SNP zombies treat him.
He has more political acumen in his pinkie than the whole SNP cabinet has in all their bodies put together.
I believe he is the only one capable of getting us another referendum. The SNP doesn’t want indy.
Happy Birthday Wings and the political truth teller, my regret is that WE WERE INDEPENDENT with Scots voting for independence but unfortunately as usual the politicians were more interested in their virtue signalling pish of come aw ye new Scots and vote tae keep us tied tae the corrupt and venal WM scum
And the good news for WM is they have stated categorically that they will do the same thing again, the gravy train and privy council are great providers, F++k the indigenous Scots your reservations are being prepared
2014 – so near and yet so far.
2015 – on the cusp and yet the SNP shit the nest so to speak.
2023 – At this point the SNP is so compromised that it is done, yet they are more focussed on Alba bad / Wokism good that they can’t even comprehend the downward spiral they are engaged in.
Scotland on its present course is chained to UK with no end in sight. Birth rates are not sufficient to overcome the exodus of our young and the incoming retirees / rich crossing the border to live in our beautiful country.
On further negativity, for the 2nd year on the bounce I won’t be at home to see Sadiowitz play – he has a sold out show at the Pavilion in Glasgow next weekend. He has a tour March next year – well worth catching him at least once in your life!
Happy Birthday Mr Wings.
This post has cheered me up.
We were in a far worse state in 7/11 and in less than three years we nearly got there. Life is a trampolene – you’ve got to go down in order to get the acceleration to jump even higher.
Nicola Sturgeon and her cohorts will never be part of the establishment of a new era in Scotland and her politics – that’s a real plus for us.
All shall be well
long time lurker-1st time poster! Thank you for all your great work!
3 things:
1) If Branchform delivers any kind of result, that changes Holyrood politics for ever. It will make the Scottish Government an international laughing stock and that situation will make it weaker.
2) The UK Covid Inquiry will remind Ms Sturgeon of how UK justice works. I suspect her 200-page re-writing of history will be thrown in the bin. “When did you delete your WhatsApp messages and why”.
3) I notice the comments have been tidied-up since the most delinquent nutter has been locked-out for a while. Happy-days, as they say.
Things cannot go-on as they have been at Holyrood and are we approaching some kind of tipping point?
Happy Birthday.
What do you have planned for your teenage years?
In a world full of middle and middling managers, Salmond was an entrepreneur and it shows. There is literally no one who has the ability to create the political capital for another assault on the Union. Instead we should be working to declare Holyrood (Very) Limited insolvent while we look for / prepare the next Alexander.
@Captain Yossarian
Scotland will not become a laughing stock no matter what happens with Branchform.
It’s fairly common for political leaders either to go to jail (Olmert), to be completely exonerated of the most serious of charges (Andreotti), or for a systemic cover-up to protect the powerful (Andreotti). If Scotland becomes an international laughing-stock then that’s because the world was already laughing and Scotland briefly caught the world’s eye.
As ever, a knowledge of comparative political history helps to avoid indulging exaggerated claims about our own wee shitey polity. No doubt the international press will report what the Copfs decides to do and then in very short order it will move onto the next political scandal…and the next…and the next…
Stuart MacKay,
I doubt not your sentiment, but have you mused on whether the demographics of Scotland may change faster than the preparation time of your new Alexander?
It strikes me that, slowly, year after year the ethnically Scottish proportion of all those living in Scotland decreases. Whether that be by international migration, or internal migration from rUK, as well as younger Scots going south or elsewhere. There’s gross and net figures to be worked out as well (perhaps the publication of the Scottish census would help there), but my overall sense is that there’s a general dilution of the Scots in Scotland. Slowly, but perhaps surely.
A leader whose single goal was to deliver independence in order to be able to hold the power to make Scotland better for everyone who lives here
Good days indeed
Happy Birthday Wingers.
Sad the way it’s gone since 2015, but maybe it had to happen this way. We are still at 50% support for independence. so there’s room for hope. As for the SNP? To hell with them (or those that remain). IMO Nicola Sturgeon is a nasty character, but is also a capable politician (unlike the dope currently in charge). She seems to have been seriously compromised very early on. I don’t know what the British state had/have on her, but it must be big, really big. She appears to be owned, maybe always has been.
@Captain Yossa
Surely any country that elects its leader via a flawed and fraudulent process is already an international laughing stock?
Nobody knows what really happens when Sunak and Yousaf are alone in the room, after the PAs have been sent out, and the microphones/cameras are switched off, but a throwaway line from Sunak referring to Yousaf’s suspect legitimacy as FM might well serve to cement Sunak’s superior position.
And Yousaf’s, and therefore Scotland’s, disadvantage.
Yousaf’s suspect election is a handicap that no serious country should ever have accepted. Yousaf is permanently hamstrung as a result. In my book, that makes Scotland a bit of an international laughing stock.
The last 3 years especially, have wrecked any credibility and influence politicians and the media ever had.
It’s all to play for.
Thanks, Keep up the good work.
John Main,
I spent a year in Pakistan. A while back, I make no claim to recent insight. An informative part of my life. In so many ways, a wondrous country, but in reality one that held itself back and down* by grift and corruption, and the national leaders seemed to be men of very limited generosity or vision for their fellow countrymen. Tribal, really. They couldn’t get beyond thinking that there had to be political division and conflict.
I hope such attitudes, passed down through generations, have not become part of Scottish life.
* Alf Baird would no doubt describe that as Doun Hauden.
A very happy birthday to Wings and a very big thank you for doing what should be done by the so called 4th estate.
Also thank you for allowing comment from all sorts of sources – some welcome and others completely worthy of ignoring.
A thank you to the BTL commentators who have highlighted other information and provided historical evidence of which I was unaware.
Sadly there are those who deem themselves superior and sneer at others but scroll on by and try not to respond.
“have you mused on whether the demographics of Scotland may change faster”
Been thinking about something similar since noticing the apparent strength of (white) feminist support for a hammas/ taliban approach to the future.
To assuage my concerns it’d be helpful if the organisers/ champions of the alleged not hate marches made a point of insisting islam (ahem) coughs up its murderers and their financiers for a fair trial and (/or?) if the women involved, in particular, considered the merits of providing a lot less ambiguity about what they really really want* from their magic genies
(eg living in hareems, luxury & burkhas etc – all whilst doing everything they’re allowed to best please their master and his wife no.1)
Happy birthday Wings. Still loitering about on the offchance that something in Scottish politics might bring some hope. That light at the end of the tunnel has receded but hasn’t yet been extinguished.
Happy birthday wings, keep doing the key investigative work for the Independence cause.
PhilM – I suspect the Scottish public and Police Scotland will not make the comparison between the Scottish Government and some bent Italian Government that existed decades ago.
Scotland, for now anyway, is part of the UK and UK rules apply. The SNP will be treated more harshly because they have made a virtue thus far out of claiming to be better.
The UK Covid Inquiry and Branchform could prove that not to be true. I think we’ve all known since the Fabiani Inquiry that it isn’t true.
It didn’t take them long to bury the Edinburgh Trams Inquiry, did it? It cost more than the Chilcot Iraq Inquiry. Is that it? All discussion at Holyrood ended already, or not allowed?
If you think this is acceptable, you are kidding yourself.
Happy Birthday Wings!
You’ve put in a hard slog that’s for sure! What a feat.
What a feat too by Salmond.
One mandate.
4 MPs.
Indyref delivered.
& Not just delivered it but nearly stonked it home too! What a time to be alive & Scotland WAS alive. It was practically bouncing with hope.
But for liars. It’s ironic that the very one who broke Purdah on behalf of three liars now heads the SNP. He will NEVER deliver an indyref. Not in it’s wildest dreams. The ones clinging to the SNP or on a false errand.
It’d be a shame to see it go to waste..
Let’s hope it won’t. We pick ourselves up & find another boat & IMO that can only be with Salmond steering the life boat in Parliament & Salvo/Liberation heading a convention.
Let’s hope this is just the lull before one almighty roar..
Time is of the essence.
Returning a unionist Parliament WILL lock us in.
Credit where credit is due – happy birthday, Wings, and thank you so much for all you have done in the last 12 years. May you continue as long as necessary, and please God may that time be short.
As for our SNP politicians, I don’t know how they can live with themselves. It is blindingly obvious what they should have done, and should do today, but they either refuse, or are so dim they can’t, see it. They are a disgrace akin to those who voted for the Union.
Well done Wings and Happy Birthday.
Lots of water under the bridge since then. Too many people no longer with us. If a week in politics is a long time, this twelve years has been an eternity. Indeed so much took place. We almost created a new country. The world is an entirely different place, however the same old power struggles are still there. And the same old twisted individuals who destroy people just because they can.
Well done again, Mr Wings. Congratulations on lasting the course.
Onwards and upwards!
Happy anniversary, twelve years…seems like a lifetime away. Did they really attempt to stitch-up Alex Salmond, did they really ruin the SNP or was I dreaming.
Since 2014 it has been more a waking nightmare or literally a woke nightmare.
The fact that all around us the wider world is being engulfed in what is looking very much like the start of WW3 only seems to make more acute the total boredom of Scottish politics and sadly the independence movement. Such is life on a distant outpost of a dying empire.
Did Chilcot bury Blair?
Did Dr Kelly’s death?
Did Robin Cooks?
Away with yer wishful thinking, Captain Yosser..
Blair is still a pundit not even laughed at & still on our tellies.
& Since when did all this pish emerge where a whole collective is to be punished because of a few?
Is this a new yoon trick?
Yoons tell us Holyrood is a wee diddy administration of no significance or importance in the world.
Then next we’re a laughing stock on the international stage & catapulted to the dizzy heights of a Holygate international scandal..lol!
Away & dinnae talk shite..
Happy birthday Wings. Keep setting the truth free. Independence for Scotland and justice for Alex Salmond. The leader.
Many Happy Returns
I only discovered Wings about two years ago and have periods of ‘checking in’ frequently and other times a week or two may pass. Unlike some, I do have a life to lead and have lots of outside interests.
It is accepted that ‘the teens’ can be a rebellious time for many and am looking forward to even more of the same from your goodself in future years but, please be careful. Governments increasingly do not like ‘free speech’. The same can be said for many of the posters on here. If the content is not to their liking the writer is deemed a Unionist or a troll. Such is life.
As Wings goes forward you could maybe do a serialisation, maybe once a week, on the forthcoming tome by Saint Nicola of Sturgeon? On second thoughts-maybe not!
More power to your pen, fingers and keyboard.
Still the biggest and best most read political blog in Scotland.
Probably the most clicked search result from inside Holyrood Parliament. A freedom of information request would confirm that once again.
You took on pickle bee and bought the furries in the SNP down when it was unpopular. Now Scotland has woken up. And self ID is in the bin. Yessss.
Geri – The Chilcot Inquiry did indeed finish Blair, Mandelson and Campbell. Not only did it do that, but it spoken about all of the time as an example of a working, self-regulating government in action.
The Grenfell Inquiry and the Covid Inquiry will be the same and UK law still works to protect the public, not the politicians.
What do we have here in Scotland? The Fabiani Inquiry and the Edinburgh Trams Inquiry. Are these examples of a working, self-regulating government in action? Are they protecting the public?
It’s you that suffers you know. First it was Alex Salmond and soon it might be the full SNP tag-team. What comes after is what interests me.
Wings strategy. The road ahead. A defacto referendum. 50 plus 1.
“Should a vote of 50%+1 ever be achieved, the Scottish Government would therefore immediately announce a technical declaration of independence, demand the UK government open negotiations and appeal under the UN Charter to the international community for recognition and support on an uncontestable democratic basis founded in a free and fair election.”
He got replaced by ‘the Bruiser’
When I think of Michael Moore three things come to mind:
1. The expression ‘muddy the waters’ he seemed to say that a lot.
2. http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=12151
at 15.58.09
3. When the English Democrats were outside the Royal Society on George Street handing out red roses and waiting for Michael Moore to arrive in order to seek his help. I can’t remember the details but I did get a long stemmed red rose
as I was passing at the time.
Miranda left office in 2007.
Chilcot Inquiry begun in 2009, reported in 2016. (With redactions)
The Scottish parliament’s finance and public administration committee is suggesting that Scotland may soon go bankrupt courtesy of the SNP administration’s incompetent financial management. If that happens I wonder who will be presented with the begging bowl? Oh yes silly me, it will be the UK tax payer. Good job that safety net is there then.
The economic argument for independence in 2014 was, at best, tenuous being largely based on hypothetical oil revenues. Now the SNP and the greens have destroyed that route, the economic case is non-existent hence the desperation to relinquish the quest for actual independence and become subservient to the big players in the EU. The bottom line is the economic argument doesn’t stand up without a source of external subsidy and no amount of idealism is going to change that.
The Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry started in 2016 and still hasn’t reported. It will also cost more than Chilcot.
Why was he nick-named Miranda?
Anything thing to do with his ‘Miranda rights’?
The Scottish parliament’s finance and public administration committee is SNP who are now the same as Labour; Lib Dem, Tory and Greens in their opposition to Scottish Independence.
I’d take their advice, with a pinch of salt.
And a vote for Scotland United a vote for Independence.
Captain Yossarian says:
7 November, 2023 at 9:10 am
” Geri – The Chilcot Inquiry did indeed finish Blair, Mandelson and Campbell ”
Another keeper from Captain Panglossarian .
Have you not noticed the despicable Blair still rollicking about the globe telling countries what they should do , how they should behave ? or his fckn Institute For Global(ist ) Change ?
Does that look like being ” finished ” to you ?
This * Covid Enquiry * – like all the other such kid-on farces will be another whitewash ; as will Operation Wiznae Them , unless it can be used to damage further the Independence case .
* Happy * Birthday WOS . Still THE INDY blog par excellence and one of the few where truth is still valued .
Thanks for all you’ve done , and continue to do
I’m English and have no skin in the game of Scottish independence, though would prefer to stay as a union I understand that it’s not for me to have a say.
I am solely here because I find the journalism brilliant, so hats off for that. However I find that the harking back to Alex Salmond a bit fan boyish. We know that a job was done on him to stop him returning to power in the SNP, but he has not showered himself in glory with his Russian show and sleepy cuddles. He took you as far as you could go, he really needs to be a supporter in the background of some new blood/talent. If there is no one out there maybe, a generation is needed before another big push for independence. I think you will all be banging your heads against a huge brick wall for many years if Salmond is your big hope. Good luck anyway. ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23906141.armistice-day-pro-palestinian-marches-go-ahead—yousaf/
Humza Yousaf wants the pro Palestine marches to go ahead on armistice day.
No to Sharia law disrupting our British soliders day of remembrance.
Happy 12th Birthday Wings and thanks for all the interesting and supportive articles down the years….the highlight (for me) was
you being unafraid to challenge the establishment and their shills. Thanks also for the wee blue book …it could have taken us over the line had it been more actively promoted by some so called Yesers. Grier springs to mind.
Now that you are approaching your teenage years I suppose we can look forward to you lighting fireworks and throwing them at dozy politicians, cussing at passing readers, blowing raspberries at the transcult, pouring sarcasm on certain football supporters and generally being a teenager…..oh wait!
“Humza Yousaf wants the pro Palestine marches to go ahead on armistice day.”
It should go ahead, if it helps to push for a ceasefire and saves even one child’s life isn’t it worth it?
Robert H – Finished in politics, that’s what I meant.
The UK Covid Inquiry puts Scottish parliamentarians alongside UK parliamentarians and their relative honesty and accountability will be tested.
Happy Birthday.
I am sensing a sea change is coming. Folk are waking up to what the Judas and her entourage did. And her nuSNP can’t get any members to make donations or deliver leaflets.
We simply won’t tolerate any more yoon lies. And, we see Scotland’s oil is keeping westmonster afloat.
Regarding Mr Salmond, I see the yoons continue to disrespect him with lies. He’s the man they fear. And that’s another good reason to join Alba and rid Scotland of this hated union.
Interesting times lie ahead. So, more power to your elbow.
Nicola Sturgeon cheated on her husband didn’t she? With the female French Ambassador. And iron was flung on another occasion wasn’t it? It all took place at the Balmoral.
Theresa May knew all about it. She said to Nicola. Now is not the time.
And Theresa May knew about Nicola Sturgeon’s plotting in the false, disbelieved conspiracy to smear him. With woman H the perjurer, reprimanded 4 times for trying to lead the jury under Lady Dorian’s watching eye. According to the secret court reporters document, where Sarah Smith said. They’ll never believe Woman H now. Before she went onto the BBC retrial with Dani Garavelli to retrial an innocent man as guilty. Because she didn’t like the result.
We that perjury is much. Much much worse. Than a consensual marital affair, something Nicola knows all about in her lavander marriage.
A Scot Abroad @ 6:12 am
“my overall sense is that there’s a general dilution of the Scots in Scotland.”
Of course Scots can sense this, and what census data we have confirms it. If a peoples language determines their identity then the 2011 census data showing there were just 1.6 million Scots language speakers left tells its ain story.
Listening to the language fowk speak in the cafes, the supermarkets, or public transport confirms that Scots are becoming an ethnic minority in oor ain laund. As does the lowest birth rate on record.
The real question is, are the Scots ‘a people’ subject to ‘colonial procedures’?
It’s not going anywhere near the pretendy event at the cenotaph.
Why shouldn’t it go ahead? Didn’t they fight to end tyranny?
This censorship needs to stop.
If only Nicola Sturgeon had been a better woman.
Then Scotland would be independent today.
If only woman H hadn’t been a lying perjuring bastard. As encouraged by the Nicola Sturgeon and her cabal.
Then the SNP would still be a viable party moving forward. The last few years of Nicola Sturgeon would be a nightmare that didn’t happen.
Sturgeon has destroyed our country. That’s for sure. It’s good that wings over Scotland has been able to reveal the truth about the deceitful bunny boiler that was Nicola Sturgeon.
Let’s hope the covid inquiry gives her 30 tars for all the thousands of deleted whatsapp messages. She’s probably taking her advice from the hilary Clinton foundation. We know hilary lies to delete 30,000 emails as well before also losing elections.
Ha ha.
Paul Davis
The economic case for an Independent Scotland is apparently out there if you can be bothered to look, according to the fanatics.
I have done some research and am pleased to advise that everything will happen, basically overnight, by magic. Just say the words abracadabra and off we go. Sorted. Who needs real money anyways?
If you want to be taken seriously on this site include the words colonialism and sovereignty in any future posts. If you can add on some 300 year old stuff, even better. It would also help if you could manage some guid Scottish words or phrases. Also, some profanity always goes down well with the stalwarts.
Cappy
Have you forgot Sturgeon followed Bojo & COBRA?
Only later departing from it sometime later when scruffy arsed bojo couldn’t even be arsed to show up.
Sturgeon gave daily updates. Again, more than bojo did.
What are you hoping to find in the what’s app messages anyway? Sturgeon saying let the bodies pile high? Take it on the chin? It’s just the flu? What times the party? Does booze kill the virus? Whit aboot a hairdryer?
Happy birthday Wings, when the day comes and we have our own country back, the statue of Dewar in Central Glasgow should be Melted down and a new one of The Rev erected along with the Rats.
Every week at 5pM on friday the official ceremony of the changing of the Cone should be held before a session in the Counting House to commemorate the first wings Gathering.
Thanks for the extraordinary output over the years.
Chas
No one has ever claimed it would be overnight. No one. Ever.
The accepted norm is two yrs for hand over.
Westminster took over six for Brexit.
So we’ll be generous & make it one. After all, we’ve nothing to negotiate. What’s ours is umm..ours.
& There is a wealth of knowledge out there regards Scotland’s wealth. Including hundreds of thousands on this very site.
Or tune in to parly TV. The Yoons can’t stop talking about how Scotland’s North sea will *save the Union* with the £billions they plan to rob from it.
Just last week, 27 new licenses for all that non existent wealth. Surely they wouldn’t sell those on a hope & a prayer eh?
Lenny lol
It could be inscribed with that famous Wings phrase that rocked the very foundations of the Twittersphere.
‘Cunt’
Lolz!
Stu has the cartoonist Chris Cairns packed it in? Haven’t seen any for a while
On this peculiar day of London focussed, made up, fancy dress UK flummery,
LONG LIVE THE SCOTS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC!
Put that in your pipes all you faux Scottish nationalists.
Where there is the WILL, the WAY will be found.
BTW for those smug unionist trad types. The British state dates from 1707, not from Edward the confessor and the rest.
Geri – Messages relating to the Nike Conference in Edinburgh and the legal advice they were given at the time, the transference of untested hospital patients to nursing homes, “do not resuscitate” instructions written on patient notes, the evidence behind our Covid lockdown strategy vis a vis England’s, the Covid funding and where it all went. They take that sort of thing incredibly seriously in London. In fact, they take it seriously everywhere. That’s how proper Public Inquiries work. Anyone looking in here would find this hard to believe of course, but Scotland taught law to the rest of the world.
JinglyJangly man, I second that!
I was reminiscing about old times and old meetings and thinking how much I still miss a calm , quiet , gentle , intelligent Smallaxe.
I think a fog of madness has descended on these doctors, who are sworn to uphold the Hippocratic Oath.
“About 90 Israeli doctors have signed a letter calling for the bombing of hospitals in Gaza.
The letter states, in no uncertain terms, that due to suspicion of “terrorist activity,” the hospitals are “a legitimate target for annihilation.” They claim that “ambulances that are evacuating patients to the south in order to be treated elsewhere are at their disposal.” It does not mention that these ambulances, too, are being bombed by Israel, or that the south is also being mercilessly pummeled.”
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/israeli-doctors-urge-the-bombing-of-gaza-hospitals/
Cappy
“They take that sort of thing incredibly seriously in London.”
Do they really? They pissed off with £billions from the treasury & parly wrote it all off. No one had to pay it all back. £300 BILLION & counting.
Also at the very start of COVID Sturgeon followed London advice from COBRA meetings & WHO guidelines.
Moving ppl to nursing homes was the advice to free up beds. If patients were fit & able & free to leave but had no social care in place. The tests hadn’t even been invented at that point.
And about those nursing homes – privately owned & also with their own duty of care to patients & staff. Did they just see the price tag on each bed & wave them all through & screw if they were hoatching or not & with no PPE to cope?
Sturgeon took her advice from London & then later from The Scotgov COVID advisory group.
I think Sturgeon needs to hand over her WhatsApp messages for transparency to the families but I don’t think there’ll be anything in them that’ll rock yer world. She famously never spoke to anyone outside her clique so I doubt she’d put anything incriminating in a WhatsApp message to her minions.
We can only wait & see.
But what Yoons can’t do is what they did to Ferrier. Everyone gets off Scot free but not you, Scotland. You’re forever our scapegoat for a whippin’
They are ALL punished. Or none are.
The whole pandemic was a shit show. Another fine reason why wee should be independent & we decide who enters & leaves.
Republic
They’ll all be in the Hague one day.
It doesn’t help now tho.
Even if they cleared everyone out. The problems will only be tenfold around the globe. Warmongers never learn a damn thing. Even fae their own God it seems..He never like Cain either..
Geri – Michelle Mone was in the Press yesterday. The Met Police have established that she is part of the £200m Covid fast-lane PPE fandango. So, like Branchform, Police investigations continue even when you think they have stalled. People from all walks of life are being brought to justice for Covid-related crimes. As far as the WhatsApp messages are concerned, just hand them over as all the others are doing. Shame she is not handing them over to Lady Dorrian and John Swinney. No redactions allowed and no-one goes to jail for “jig-saw identification”.
Ah yes. But what if that child grows up to be a suicide bomber? Makesyerfinkdunnit.
“Stu has the cartoonist Chris Cairns packed it in? Haven’t seen any for a while”
He’s done his back in horribly while holiday-golfing and can’t even sit at the drawing board. No ETA for his return as yet.
Cappy
The Met would’ve been quicker following Lead by Donkeys.
They made a cracking wee video fae London to the Isle of Man yrs ago.
Has PC Plod just stumbled on it?
It’s been common knowledge for yrs. Nothing happened to her. I haven’t been following the COVID inquiry. Has Dildo Harding been summoned yet or is she still lost without trace? LOL!
Moane was suspended from HoL. Is she back there sporting her cloak like nothing’s happened?
Happy Birthday Rev,
We should have a protection order or government grant or even a David Attenborough documentary about only political journalist in the country who does the dirty spade work and
exposes the truth buried under layers of disinformation and deceit.
Many Happy returns!
“Regional and local government > Scotland”
They wish.
I learn so much from the Yossbot’s posts.
Today I learn that Tony Blair has left politics, that the Met police are trusted to do a good investigation, and that people from all walks of life are being brought to justice for Covid related crimes.
What can the Branchform team do every day to pass the time?
Has it been cut back to one part time officer?
Agree that Salmond was a very good negotiator but he is the past and cannot be the face of the future Indy movement. Whether one likes it or not, he’s a very divisive figure and will repel as many as he attracts. Salmond would be best in a behind the scenes role these days.
The Indy movement needs new blood but people with intelligence, conviction and integrity. Everything lacking in the current SNP and most of Scottish / UK politics.
Alf Baird, at 10:36,
The “real question” isn’t to do with colonialism at all. You appear to be obsessed with that, it’s worth nothing in hindsight, and in my opinion, completely wrong anyway. But no matter….
The real question is about forecasting. Demographics. How many people will Scotland have in 2030, 2050, and so on for the next 100 years, by what age and income deciles which translate into education, social security and pension budgets, by population health which correlates into health budgets, and half a dozen other ripple outs from the basic question. And beyond demographics, trade and resources and national income.
I’m not John Main, although he’s got a succinct basic ask of any pro-Indy supporter. And he’s not wrong in asking it. To extrapolate from it, how does a pro-Indy supporter get the soft Noes and undecideds to move to Yes if nobody is able to show them how iScotland is going to be able to make life not just better for them, but just basically affordable?
Oh shut up with your petty questions about tiny details, ASA. We demand independence so we can paint our faces blue and roar “Freeeedumb!!!” in a combined expression of hate for the English. In fact, hate for the English is all that motivates us. That is all we care about.
Scot Gov. bins HPMAs… another roaring success story from the cluster-f*ck that is the SNP’s dismal excuse for competent government.
If I gave a shit about the SNP I’d possibly manage to feel embarrassed on their behalf. But, I don’t…
Independence for Scotland!
Incompetent SNP troughers OUT!
Archie Bland of The Guardian says:
“It’s always strange to hear these kinds of highly political proposals recited by the monarch, but that’s democracy, I guess!”
WRONG! Very wrong! A true democracy doesn’t have an unelected head of State. What we have is England’s version of “democracy”.
As for ‘King Charles’ being a great principled conservationist, what’s that old saying? Something along the lines of; “It’s easy to have principles when you have money.”
Oh! And happy birthday WOS. A safe port among the turbulent sea of excrement that is Scottish politics & Unionist media.
O/T but I’m typing fae a new device. A cracking deal fae that well know rainforest place. If yer looking for kids Chrimbo gift..
10inch tab – Android 12
+ Keyboard
+ Mouse
+ Stylus pen
+ Earphones
+ Case
£79 notes. Bargain.
Giving it a test run now. All good so far.
*I’m not the seller*
The sooner that Scotland is free from disloyal, pro-parasite, anti-family London rule, the better. The disloyal, grubbing bastards don’t deserve us. In fact, the London establishment don’t deserve to have English people under their auspices after the last 30 years of debauchery they put the public through.
Hitler and his pals couldn’t break Britain, but London parasite class absolutely gutted the place in 30 years flat by profiteering from imported cheap labour.
I only hope that the money was worth it for them. The price was destroying the Union.
The sooner we don’t need to deal with London anymore, the better.
Stoker
He shouldn’t even be in Parliament reciting the menu fae the canteen never mind center stage reciting bullshit about laws not attacking him.
If independence is tied solely to the notion of an iScotland being materially better off then it will probably never happen.
Historic independence movements were all posited on the concept of «freedom from» (colonialism, imperialism, foreign meddling etc), the notion of «we need to be better off otherwise it is not worth the effort» is a peculiarly «British», utilitarian/mercenary outlook which serves the status quo very well.
My research into Scottish nationalism more than suggests it was the discovery of oil that damaged the intellectual/existential basic premiss that as an ancient nation Scotland ought to return to national sovereignty. The transitory economic arguments were always a matter of «perception».
It is of note that «nationalistic» reasoning deployed by the British state concerning its sovereignty is dismissed as unviable or risible when applied to Scotland.
The long list of the so called unviable or risible examples fills the majority of seats at the UN.
Alex Salmond was not a good negotiator.
The terms of the 2014 referendum enfranchised the parvenu and the passing through.
A Scot Abroad @ 12:52 pm
“The real question is about forecasting.”
Well here’s an estimated forecast based on the current annual change in the indigenous Scottish population (2022 census data):
-63,000 Scots (deaths per annum)
+47,000 Scots (births per annum)
-97,000 in-migration ‘new-Scots’ per annum
-69,000 out-migration Scots/others per annum
Even taking into account return of some Scots in the in-migration data, this still means a reduction of probably in excess of 100,000 indigenous Scots per annum. Over 30 years that means a reduction of approx 3 million indigenous Scots. Over 50 years its game over for indigenous Scots.
These trends have been ongoing particularly since devolution, which helps explain the significant pro-British/anti-Scottish independence vote today.
You would expect an SNP ScotGov might be protecting indigenous Scots (as the basis of the indy movement) but the reality is their policies are facilitating the obliteration of our people, much as they have obliterated our culture. Not surprising really considering the new-SNP has also acted to block independence.
Happy birthday stu and to “Wings over Scotland” for such excellent journalism and photography all these years on behalf of all of Scotland,
A big….Thank you,
johnlm – Alf, James, Geri, Ruby and all the rest of the cack-handed pile-on tag-team are spared any criticism. All of the measured posters on here are either “Yoons” or “Bots”. The articles themselves are fabulous, but the comments I can take or leave to be honest.
robert knight @ 1.15.
I seem to recall that HPMA legislation was a demand by the Greens as a reward for propping up the SNP. It looks like the relationship could well be over now, especially with Lorna Slater trying to curry favour with Labour.
Fergus will be happy – and right about his vews on the relationship.
Alf
It’s a nonsense everyone has a vote on Scotland’s constitution & her Status.
It should be removed immediately.
No other country would allow that nonsense to vote itself out of existence.
Hopefully it will be changed.
A Scot Abroad @6:12am
Ethnicity didn’t seem to be an issue when the colonists in the Americas decided to wrest control from the British crown. Independence has nothing to do racial purity and everything to do with running your own affairs. Increasingly centralised administration from London, and Edinburgh too, has left the country in a parlous state of affairs. Independence offers a chance for a new form of governance that gives everybody a say. How much of a population do you need for that? Iceland does not have many people, but minor banking crises aside, they seem to do very well. The Baltic states are often toted as examples however I think the jury is still out on whether they’ll succeed in the long term, mainly due to some legacy issues. Scotland has a pretty robust culture and a history of being able to do things – though you’d never think it looking at the past eight. Overall with some energy, a little bit of hard work and a few brain cells to rub together there’s not reason we can’t do it. Incomers want a better life. There’s every reason to think independence could improve their station further. They didn’t all come here for the weather.
Cappy
This is a pro Indy site. Didn’t you know? Maybe the Daily Fail is where you’ll find a willing tag team to go Scotland bashing?
People are willing to listen & engage on here. It’s not our fault you may not like the answers tho..
I wouldn’t be arsed to go to a pro union site myself. What would be the point? It’s not like I’d change anyone’s mind after 12 yrs is it?
Alf Baird, at 1:54 pm,
thank you Alf for running those figures, they seem reasonable to me. I assume your in-migration value should be +, not -, and it’s a small typo. Shall we agree from this point onwards to use your -100,000 as a “ethnic Scots dilution value” that can be applied to the overall population of Scotland? It’s not going to be exact, but probably realistic as a tight average.
If that’s even somewhat true, then the two follow on questions ask themselves: what is the 2023 value for ethnic Scots (the sovereign people, apparently), and more nuanced, how do the non-ethnic Scots in Scotland feel about Indy? I’m sure there will be people on both sides of that, but my instinct is that most would not be voting Yes.
I suspect that given the dilution value, Indy is a diminishing prospect. Fast forward 30 years and it ever going to happen. Even 20 years. And given what’s going on with the SNP, and Alba advancing with all of the speed of a stunned slug, it’s not going to happen in the next ten years either. So it’s probably last chance saloon for Indy sometime in the 2030s.
Merganser
Correct. So was self ID, juryless trials & Bottle return scheme.
The Greens have always produced a ransom note. I don’t know what for other than to prove they’re not in it for Indy cause there was nothing ever going through parliament that needed them, unless I missed it. Sturgeon was hardly full of bright ideas to bring in policies. She just continued with Salmonds.
Happy Birthday Wings.
Rev, just out of curiosity, do you know who the first ever poster to comment BTL in the first ever article was? Just curious.
-100K Scots a year is not realistic. Are we really a million down from the last referendum – I doubt it? There must be quite a bit of churn in the immigration and emigration numbers, immigrants returning or heading elsewhere, Scots returning.
20% of the deaths will not necessarily be Scots, especially if we attract retirees. Then again, do you class all births as Scots, if they are immigrants and more than average likely to leave.
How are they counting migration? I went away and came back without particularly informing anyone.
The numbers are bad, but not that bad.
“Rev, just out of curiosity, do you know who the first ever poster to comment BTL in the first ever article was?”
Easy enough to check 🙂
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-demonisation-of-alex-salmond/#comment-3196
TURABDIN.
Free from Colonialism, and Scotland returning to national Sovereignty.
The question of returning to Scottish Sovereignty?
What does that mean other than colonialism itself.
For Scotlands sovereignty of people and the Sovereignty of their national territory never left Scotland.
Other than “A propaganda cover story” produced By Westminster parliament eons ago, that Scotland had been captured.
To qualify as a British State, it must first have the foundation to create one kingdom under one Monarch,
It has not achieved this since King Charles 11 was crowned the last monarch of Scotland.
Queen Anne never official holding this position.not having been bothered to go through the procedure, ceremony etc, breaching the sequence and creating a long standing gap to the Scottish monarchs of Scotland to present day.
Hence No monarch of England has heritably been able to wear the Crown of Scotland since that date , they are just presented with quick look at what they cannot have,
the Scottish Crown and regalia.
As A Scot Aboard often points in his breath in and his breath out, these old history records and Sovereignty are ancient nonsense and guff, no need to bring all that ancient Sovereignty guff up, no one pays any heed to it nowadays.
Hence we find him on the 4th of November @ 8: 35 pm kindly applying and reminding us of the ancient guff namely the treaty of union from 1707 as the time Scots and Scotland lost their Sovereignty because for Scots it “stopped dead in 1707”
With no monarch of England and Wales in the .position to inherit the lapsed Crown of Scotland as Queen Anne left it to Scotland and its people in 1706/07,
Sovereignty of the Scottish Crown legally still remains in and with Scotland and its nation,
It is only the Scots that never check their true history., but have preference for the union propaganda cover story.of old.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/lifestyle/beautiful-craobh-haven-perfect-place-30303381
A little birdy told me that Queen Nicola Sturgeon, Lady covid. Has a secret boat hole here that she visited during covid 19.
While Margaret Ferrier was given the most evil of treatments for making a mistake.
Sturgeon. Lady Covid, was kinoodling in her Hogmany love nest.
And giving covid press briefings from the closet, telling us all to hide under the covers from covid 19.
Sturgeon to this day, is still in that closet, my only surprise is, she hasn’t came out.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/20228278.nicola-sturgeon-smiles-alongside-hillary-clinton-global-female-leaders-conference-italy/
Nicola Sturgeon. She likes to delete whatsapp messages. I want to know what they said.
We know Hilary Clinton liked to delete 33,000 emails from her personal email account. During the presidential election she lost.
In my opinion Hilary Clinton is the face of the deep state. All she does is go around giving talks on support for war.
The latest is her support for Isreal.
Sturgeon’s gone along to this convent in the hills and she’s got her orders from Hilary Clinton.
I hate hillary Clinton. The world’s a better place without her in office.
Scotland deserves the truth. We want to know what the whatsapp messages contain…
What has Nicola Sturgeon got to hide?
Doesn’t she look tired?
Ian Smith,
I’m reading -100,000 as within the overall population of Scotland, so a diminishing proportion, even if population numbers are increasing.
Alf will no doubt give his reasoning.
A Scot Abroad @ 2:24 pm
“thank you Alf for running those figures, they seem reasonable to me. I assume your in-migration value should be +, not -, and it’s a small typo.”
I considered this a -negative because in-migration (mostly) does not increase the number of indigenous Scots, rather the opposite.
Yes, although there is a margin of error, the data does suggest roughly +/-100,000 pa as an “ethnic Scots dilution value”, i.e. indigenous Scots are (and have been) declining at the rate of approx 2% per annum.
Statistically, John Main is most likely the first to post on WoS.
He would have been sarcastically responding to a point that hadn’t been made.
ASA.
Do you have a purpose in trying to divide people in Scotland whilst admitting you are a unionist here on Wings.?
Why do you never contribute to all history from records? but are selective and manipulating with your history record choices for Scotland.
Their is actually over 300 years of records and mostly from a union point of view which you never quote .
Just observing that you constantly condemn many here but never actually contribute to all the records accurately yourself as you post of a site that supports Scottish independence,
All conversations are are acceptable from both sides but it would be nice if you could link where you get your information from even if manually,
To help others understand that you are not being bias in your judgement towards scotland,
Many on here quote political events,
papers,
records,
The Westminster Parliament that hopes and wishes for a continued union, rightly or Wrongly as the case may be,
and good journalism,
I never condone making it about a divide between the ordinary people of Scotland, England, Wales or Ireland,
It is the historical decisions of politicians past and present and the contributions on papers printed by professionals that have an effect on political decisions like Colonialism.Slavery, treaties, nuclear weapons, Sovereignty, land and sea useage and our own energy, borders and Countries,
Geri – David Hannah at 3.02 makes exactly the same point that I have been criticized for trying to make. He doesn’t get any criticism and nor should he as he makes a good point.
Ian Smith @ 2:54 pm
“-100K Scots a year is not realistic.”
Appreciate it may seem a big number. I agree some of this ‘movement’ will be Scots returning, those born here not to Scottish parents, plus out-migration includes others as well as Scots, as does deaths.
The data below suggests a figure of -182,000 overall, hence my lower figure of +/-100,000 annual loss of indigenous Scottish population takes some account of these factors.
Scottish population (2022 census data):
-63,000 Scots (deaths per annum)
+47,000 Scots (births per annum)
-97,000 in-migration ‘new-Scots’ per annum
-69,000 out-migration Scots/others per annum
Just read about Tory Baroness and Gold Digger extraordinaire Michelle Mone now finally admitting she and her Billionaire husband were being a company who received a £200 Million
PPE Backhander from Hancock.
Hancock had stated that she was relentless in perusing a cut on these lucrative deals for Tory supporters.
It seems her husbands business partner got a cut of the money, then a contact in London and then a contact in China all acted as middlemen which left them with £65 million profit on substandard equipment that can never be used.
Not needing the money they gave £29 million to Mone’s kids.
Many thanks to the gullible English Tory voter for handing out billions to the greedy right wing elite that our Grandchildren will be working for the amount of debt generated.
I’d vote for a party who would change laws and do whatever is necessary to arrest the bank accounts of everyone involved and imprison them.
Count me in amongst the in-migrators, Alf. I was Watching “Escape to the country’ yesterday on telly broadcast from Scotland and I saw I can get an ‘almost castle’ for the same price as me filthy hovel down here in darkest blighty.
So och aye and awee! hoots mon and wus me troosers I’m moving in ye ken!! Hark at me I sound like a nativ areedy. LOL
Like a speck o shite in a clear glass of highland water, you mean? The purity of Scottish blood must be maintained hey Alfy boy?
Easy enough to check ?
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-demonisation-of-alex-salmond/#comment-3196
Cheers Rev.
“Easy enough to check”
Ha! It was Morag who lead me to Wings all those years ago, because she often referred to Wings on her JREF (James Randi Educational Forum) thread which was called ‘Implications of Scottish Independence’, IIRC.
Those were the days!
Happy Birthday, Wings!
Great to see the first Wings (Rev. Stu 2.54pm) debunking the ‘cybernat’ myth of its day and great to read the selection of comments through the years. Congrats to Morag for being the first Winger.
Three years into Wings and BDTT rightly points out that the NO campaign’s high heid yins were appearing to treat their side’s abusive online behaviour as ‘normal’.
Well, try all they like to drag Indy down but the YES spirit is still very much alive and Wings has played no small part in keeping us bouyant. Straight talking – it’s a Scottish ‘hing.
Johnlm says:
7 November, 2023 at 3:20 pm
‘Statistically, John Main is most likely the first to post on WoS’
I’d have thought, statistically, it would have been the Terminator.
Without going through the 1.156 million comments since Seven-Eleven, I’d guess that it holds the record as the only contributor to have posted a comment during each and every hour of the day (or night).
Alf Baird, at 3:18 pm
I believe we are in agreement on your calculation. It won’t be precisely 100,000 of course, but it is a reasonable first order estimate. I think that’s just under 2% of the Scottish population. With more accurate census data, when published, it could be perhaps updated.
So, the bigger (and political) question is what effect on Indy does that ~2% dilution of the Scots voting blood have? Are English retirees in the Borders or Angus going to vote Yes or No? What about settled migrants from Asia? And so on.
I suspect Professor John Curtice in Strathclyde has some data and thoughts. From my layman’s perspective I’d put a fiver on the balance of the incomers wanting to vote no.
Even 50:50, it’s still a net 1% No increase per year. That’s going to have an impact, unless “something” changes. I’d suggest that “something” had better be a powerful economic case for Yes, rather than an appeal to tartan, history, and anti-England sentiment, as many on here indulge in.
Cappy,
No one has criticized you that I know of. I certainly haven’t but I have on the way the UK government likes to pick & choose.
I agreed they should be handed over. I just disagree they’ll be of any use. Sturgeon was a closed shop. People who ever worked with her said the same. She’d a close clique & she never let anyone know what was going on in her inner circle so I don’t see there being any explosive revelations.
I could be wrong tho. Maybe someone may plant something on her – wouldn’t that be divine justice eh?!
Maybe Kate Forbes has returned from her Yankie conference expo in Liverpool with some passwords. Wouldn’t surprise me.
At the end of the day they should be disclosed to the families.
Going back to your original complaint – Sturgeon isn’t a doctor. She’d have no authority to issue DNRs. Drs do that. So I dunno where that came from.
Stu 2:54
I’d have put money on it being Dr Morag.
Time and again a constant question forwarded to Scotland is how will you manage, wheres the money, you have no oil periodically depending on Westminsters point of view for switch and change conversations including us being informed we have the wrong oil, or Scotland green energy not being subsidised the same as Englands by,
This constant bleating of Scotland being to wee, to poor to Stupid, is interesting.
Because regardless of how the union squawk,
It reverts back to one issue, Scotland just wants to be a nation again unhindered by the UK colonialism to start afresh.
Every time I read and re- read the posts over the years that have passed here on Wings, one permanent observation can be made.
England need Scotland the most,
It claws are leaving political Scratch marks down Scotland as it tries clings on to Scotland.
There are no such political Scratch marks down the side of England where Scotland tries to cling on,
So the inevitable question must be Answered ,
Where is England money?
How will England survive without Scotlands
territory and its Sea,?
Where will The defence ministry of England keep it military training grounds, ports and nuclear weapons?
How would England manage to financially cheat Scotland if it did not have a barnett formula?
Is The country of England more scared of losing Scotland, than Scotland is of losing England,?
After all we do not have such a large population to cater for compared to land mass.
Would England fear being Charged for the nuclear waste dumps have in Scotland?
What if Scotlands small population began to be a competative economy that began to thrive above Englands,
Would the fuel for engines and heating be cheaper in a independent smaller population in Scotland?
Would Scotland out shine England economically in farming and sea fishing?
Would Scotland re- invest in railways and roads along with more modern infrastructures?
Englands politicians and Westminster have many reasons to cling to Scotland,
But Not so much the other way around though.
Maybe England would attempt more Darian schemes on Scotland under a different heading,
But at the moment “England” wants to leave London. They are as fed up with the way they are being run by foreign Countries as Scotland is.
Geri says on 7 November 2023 at 1:44 pm: “He shouldn’t even be in Parliament reciting the menu fae the canteen never mind centre stage reciting bullshit about laws not attacking him.”
LOL! And remember, the monarchy “is neutral”. So we are told. 😉
ASA “Are English retirees in the Borders or Angus going to vote Yes or No”
You are assuming they will get a vote.
The daily mail is running a story about a 77 year old veteran poppy seller being attacked, punched and kicked at Edinburgh waverly.
Humza Yousaf will need to condemn the attack on the British veteran collecting money for injured.
He thought he’d left the Suez canal behind.
Musings…
Is this really a useful green initiative that’s a genuine benefit to a small community, or is it just a Charlotte Street Partners style facilitated bung to “poor” big landowners.
So an existing mini hydro scheme on a small burn that was marginal in viability to start with wants to expand so it can create more leccy. Sounds good… but there’s contention and concerns about the proposed expansion in the community for a few reasons including burn flooding issues during the recent storms.
Any leccy generated will obviously feed into the grid, and there will be an income generated for the landowner.
But the landowner isn’t the one selling that leccy directly to the local community, once it’s fed into the grid the landowner get their money for the amount they generate, and then the big corporate leccy companies will also be benefiting and continuing to make their big profits by selling and billing it back to those that live in the community at the usual high prices we have become accustomed to.
So in reality is this really a benefit to the local community who are already getting supplied with renewable energy that Scotland creates. Aye, they will get to use some of the leccy created by the scheme, but that’s about it as any financial benefit is to the landowner and big corporate leccy companies.
@ James Che
I’ll just drop these approximate stats in.
KINGDOM OF SCOTLAND WITH ONLY 9% OF THE UK POPULATION HAS:
32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
90% of the whisky industry
70% of gin production
KINGDOM OF ENGLAND WITH 91% OF THE UK POPULATION ONLY HAS:
68% of the land area.
39% of the sea area.
10% of the fresh water.
35% of the natural gas production
3.5% of the crude oil production.
53% of the open cast coal production
19% of the untapped coal reserves
38% of the timber production
54% of the total forest area
8% of the hydro electric production
60% of the wind wave and solar energy production
40% of the fish landings
70% of the beef herd
80% of the sheep herd
91% of the dairy herd
90% of the pig herd
85% if the cereal holdings
80% of the potato holdings
10% of the whisky industry
30% of gin production
Yawn.
Never seen that before
zzzzzzz
So what?
The most salient statistic there is the population difference. So in which direction do you think population creep will (and is) going?
I’m even thinking about it myself.
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I’m joking of course.
Dan,
that long list of percentages often gets dropped in, as though it’s meaningful.
It’s not meaningful. It’s just a list of percentages. It’s missing an awful lot of more important information, such as Scotland only having under 2% of digital services, or only generating 7.8% of U.K. GDP. And it includes some serious minority niches, such as percentages of open cast coal mining. Who on earth cares about open cast coal mining in this day and age? It’s an absolutely irrelevant factor in our national economy. Not even a rounding error.
At least try to put a financial value to them.
Ha ha, a pair of you getting a panic on like the lady in red.
Is Jim Rogers wrong then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY2W_Okl9lE
And seeing as ASA brings up the coal. Fuck me, it’s so John Main like it’s incredible.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/penny-royalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2775057
For those who think that Covid inquiries will get to the bottom of anything.
https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/the-woman-responsible-for-the-u-s-covid-response/
Many happy returns, WINGS.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-little-respect/comment-page-2/#comment-2699172
https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-little-respect/comment-page-2/#comment-2699174
Scotland is a wealthy country.
But it’s about making our own decisions & no one can make them better than the people who actually live here.
No one hands their wealth & resources over to a foreign country in the hope of some peanuts back.
& That’s what it’s been, peanuts.
Scotland pays in more than it gets back. That’s been demonstrated & only on estimates.
England doesn’t pay for us. Anyone still believing that shite 12 yrs on is a frankly a dullard & a lost cause. They don’t even pay for their own citizens never mind a bunch of Scots.
They’ve had their chance to reform. Time & time again they just double down on the bile.
Scotland can be a wealthy independent country with a better standard of living. A happier standard of living & a healthier one too. An embarrassingly better standard as McCrone forecast.
As Salmond famously said, no one ever phoned Scotland fae the treasury & said ‘hi, we’re fae the London exchequer & we’re here tae help yeh’ Lol!
We don’t get big pots of free money. We don’t get a few grand per head extra either out the goodness of their hearts. That’s for the braindead to lap up on Social media while they are busy robbing £billions.
The reason the Yoons go on about money all the time is because they’re scaremongering just as they did to little Old the pensioners in 2014 they’d not receive their pension. Even organ transplants wouldn’t be given – sheesh! Anyone else remember that low blow?
Even this square inch of peace on the internet is polluted with naysayers fae across the border – like it’s their business.
ASS
If Scotland doesn’t excell in something it’s cause it’s reserved. Dummy.
D’oh!
Imagine a world where nothing is reserved.
Nada, zilch, nill..
Dan;
Are they related? Twins maybe, or a pair of bots lol.
Where on earth does ASA get his wealth of instant (Bullshit) ‘knowledge’ from, it’s almost as though it’s been prepared for ‘him’…
Daily Heil site, or back in barracks?
Geri,
Give us an example of something that you think is being robbed from Scotland by the U.K., and tell us what you think it’s worth. In other words, put a £value on your argument.
Happy Birthday, Wings. What would we do without you?
@Ebok says:7 November, 2023 at 4:07 pm
Aw, dinna spoil it fer him, the puir wee loon’s seeing me a’where noo, e’en in the distant past.
Haud oan noo:
[adopts DV voice]
Johnlm! I am your father!
Whilst fruitella’s belief in Scientism is a bit illogical, others such as Peter Kropotkin.thought that we could easily sustain ourselves working only 6 months a year.
ASS also believes that ‘working’ far less than part-time gives him a good income.
Maybe work is just something to stop the rest of us thinking and organising.
Stop working for the MAN.
Bumping 5:56 pm post seeing NuEnglish doesn’t click the links.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/at-the-seven-eleven/comment-page-1/#comment-2801896
Maybe ASA could actually furnish us with links and evidence that proves Scotland is the basket case he states it is.
Mind you, if it is such a basket case it does make you wonder why he still owns two properties here whilst he lives in the Bootiful Chicken County of Norfolk in England…
I eagerly await a comment from Chas at around 10 pm once he’s managed to type it out. It’s clear why Morph got all the fame whilst the beige Chas was only ever the second fiddle.
Anyway. When I was watching ‘Escape to the Country’ yesterday they showed some lovely properties around the Pitlochry area.
I’m considering putting in an offer, but as I’m unfamiliar with the area, I thought I’d ask my chums on WOS a few questions.
So here goes…
Is there such a thing as the internet there?
… and electricity.
Can you get milk delivered to your door.
How many LIDL’s are there.
My Scots is pretty good now. I know quite a few phrases like ‘awa n bile yer heid, ‘thuz a moos loos aboot the hoos’, ‘ye ken wharra mean’, ‘Goan ye weak southern softy sassenach, aye’. But is that enough i’m wondering?
Also, what is the area like for dogging? I do enjoy a bit of dogging when I get the urge.
That’s all for now and any advice is most welcome. I’m so excited and I can’t wait to invite you all to my castle-warming. Bye for now – and I love you all.
Dan 5:39
I loved that lol! The lady didn’t want to hear it. It’s a yoon thing. Cloth ears are fitted as standard.
As we’re off down memory lane today ..
I think my favorite ever interview during indyref was Tommy Sheridan absolutely slaughtering Andrew Neil on the Sunday before the vote.
Neil was raging LMAO!
Tommy kept getting in “Visit oilandgas.com folks! It’s no running oot!!”
Neil had to resort to personal attacks about News of the world & perjury..
Sheridan ‘Aye & where are they aw noo, Andrew? I’m here & they’re gone!”
‘The only banks that’ll be closing in an independent Scotland are the Foodbanks’ Lolz..
**Feel the burn**
He was bang on the money about Labour being finished too. The only thing that would’ve saved them was a YES vote & they blew it.
Austerity on steroids & 9 yrs on it’s still the same shit..
@dasBlimp says:7 November, 2023 at 1:04 pm
paint our faces blue and roar “Freeeedumb!!!
No true Scot would paint their face blue. It has tae be erse paint, and if ye cannae hack it, stay hame. Ye’re nae use tae us.
Honestly Blimp, did you nae watch the film at all (if ye didnae, ye missed a braw inflatable horse)?
Turabdin: I agree with you, but SALVO/Liberation are taking us back to those times when the intellectual arguments for independence were powerful. I think that Alec Salmond actually had a foot in both camps – the economic and the intellectual – but all that has been lost in the Sturgeon era. I believe that the intellectual arguments must predominate, but the economic argument must also be that we will be better off in an independent Scotland, if only because we will be making the kind of decisions about our economic health that only an independent country can do. We are severely restricted as a region of the UK and always open to the sort of exploitation of our resources that benefit the UK (i.e. London and the South-east) but, rarely, Scotland. The newly-announced new oil and gas licences for the North Sea prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. I am not in favour of an abrupt shut-down of the oil and gas fields either, as advocated by the short-sighted Greens, but of a managed and longer-term investment programme in research and development of all kinds of renewables by our universities and colleges, and, also, new ways of utilizing oil and gas in more innovative ways that are far less detrimental to the environment.
You’d better hope so because you’re getting nowhere on your own devices. Most countries have to fight to gain independence but not you lot – you voted to stay dependent FFS.
When I move up I’ll be voting YES you can be sure of that. I’ll bring all me mates along as well so that’s two more votes for YES now. Divn’t ye worry – independence is in the bag.
Well you know that Scotlands Oil and Gas is stolen.
You know the licences to search for it is stolen.
The 6,000 square miles of maritime waters with oil and fishing rights.
There is all the VAT in Scotland stolen.
Duty on our Whisky and Gin production.
Scotland is ran to suit the English economic agenda so our right of self management is stolen
Our EU Citizenship was stolen.
Our industries have been stolen and promised from
Indy ref 1 stolen such as the £3 promised for Scottish renewables and £1 billion carbon capture plant stolen with both being spent in England.
Scotlands rights to control the best fishing grounds in Europe
How about our right like every other nation to watch our national team on our national broadcaster.
Maybe the right to set our own banking rates.
Maybe a voice in the United Nations.
How about the right of a Scot to become Prime Minister again.
As such they would not be able to attend parliament or vote on English only matters.
I’m sure there are a lot more but Scots not to have control
Of Scotland is obscene.
John Main! Thank God you are still alive.
I thought the other Black Shorts had got you.
Slava Main!
Geri
When you include the words ‘& There is a wealth of knowledge out there regards Scotland’s wealth. Including hundreds of thousands on this very site’ You may be considered to be exaggerating, or a wee bit daft. I am trying my best to be kind here.
If a Company pops along to their Bank, looking for funding, The Bank Manager, if there is such a thing nowadays, will look for some financial information together with an explanation of why the funding is required and details on what effect this will have on the Companies profitably. Professionally Audited Balance Sheets and Profit and loss accounts, preferably for the past 3 years are generally requested. They would demand projected Profit and Loss accounts for at least a couple of years ahead demonstrating that the increased exposure to the Bank is assisting with the profitably of the Company and hopefully seeing their exposure reducing through time. The Bank may also require ‘Security’ for their new or increased lending.
In the case of a ‘start up’ the Bank will generally be more cautious as there are no previous financials to peruse. With no previous track record, the projections assume even more importance. How can they viewed as realistic? ‘Security’ is often seen as necessary. In both cases the calibre and experience of ‘the management’ of the Company is vital.
An Independent Scotland would be deemed as a start up. I have looked in various places and have yet to see any projected financials. I do find lots of fancy words, often years old, but no figures and I have to ask myself why is that? Finance is clearly a mystery to you and to many others on here yet all I ever hear is ‘It will all be fine’ irrespective of what incompetent, financially and economically illiterate Politicians will form a Government. ‘Trust us’ is the cry. Do you seriously expect any sane, educated Scot to swallow that?
Of course, I may be doing our current Government an injustice. Perhaps they HAVE prepared projected financials only to find it does not work. Revealing this to the general public might cause some concern and put their whole reason for existing in doubt. Best not to tell anybody and keep their snouts in the trough!
Is it really too difficult for ANY political party, who are sincere in their desire for Independence, to prepare some financial projections for perusal by individuals and the financial community at large? Once prepared it is relatively simple to amend them to take account of circumstances at any given time. Wars/Covid/Tax Revenues etc etc. I accept the the GERS figures are, at best, a guesstimate but they could form the start of more accurate and realistic figures.
Independence will FAIL without them. I won’t even mention who will represent Scotland in the divvy up of the UK’s assets and Liabilities. Who will clamour and vote for the unknown. You?
The sad thing is that there are reams and reams of things that, whilst nearly impossible to arrange in advance, there has to be a framework for negotiation, discussion and eventual agreement. Do you see this anywhere?
Apologies for the length of this post. It could have been a lot longer.
@Dan says:7 November, 2023 at 5:43 pm
Aw Dan, don’t tell me you’re another obsessive, collating my posts and forensically examining them. Memorising them maybes?
Haha, just my little joke. If you were doing that, you would know I backtracked on coal a few months ago.
The third world is going all out for coal – and feck the environment. And so we should too.
Feel free to forensically analyse if that is me saying fair’s fair, or Scotland is third-world, or maybes both.
James,
Maybe it’s the English dog food salesman/poor man’s economist & his array of pie charts & graphs of how Scotland is on permanent downwards trajectory through various levels of shite & it’s only the Yoons who can save us all.
I miss his crayons.
Brian Doonthetoon posted up evidence a few days ago that during the age of shipbuilding, mining, steel and heavy industry, Scotland more than paid its way. If its not paying its way now, and I don’t think it is, then that’s the legacy of Margaret Thatcher. That, along with the banking crash that put the tin lid on the everything.
I got a copy of it from the local VHS store above the chippy. I found it on the shelf marked ‘comedy’.
It’s brilliant. I never knew Mel Gibson was Scottish and I want to be Scottish like him and that’s why I’m moving to Scotland.
David hannah 4.56pm, the poppy seller a former member of the parachute regiment who also served in Northern Ireland,
And when i said on metro news forum , i wonder if he shot anyone on bloody sunday. My comment was deleted. No free speech in the brit media, eh.
“70% of gin production” seems like an odd choice for a ‘proud boast’ but I guess someone was scrabbling to make it to 20 items on the list. Coal doesn’t seem like a smart listing either. In fact the list looks like something from pre-industrial times but Dan seems to like it. Bless!
Meanwhile, the Council of Scotland can’t manage a budget. Tell me more powers would make it all better (for a laugh).
Another apt memory lane fav was the vid on the tube..
‘Top ten unionist myths, debunked’ Top of the Pops style..
Glad to see the roasters on here are still clacking about the *straight in at Number One for the gazillionth week running..yup, you all guessed it – Braveheart! Oh wait..*
Does anyone even still find it funny? Sheesh.
In the 18th century the concept of the European nation state began to take shape.
By contrast, the beginning of that century had Scotland losing its independence and the centre of political gravity moving as a result to proto imperialist London. The ersatz unionist identity, based in the main on models drawing sustenance from ideas of English cultural exceptionalism, then effectively fumbled into form. At its heart was a Scotland of individuals portrayed variously as dour, rugged, trusty, brave, loyal, not given to flights of fancy etc which some then chose to style North British as the country was functionally now a mere region of something so much greater and the nationality rather redundant.
Individuals might be grouped for convenience and stereotyping into highlander or lowlander, Gael or «Saxon» and be subject to even further taxonomic labelling as the new narrative required. In the hands of the great narrative processor, Walter Scott, the «myth» assumed its useful romantic, quasi sacralized British flesh.
Authentic, messy and awkward Scottish history went through the processor to emerge simplified, neat, tidy, linear and inevitably set on course to kowtow to the greater, and perceived more advanced, external force.
Typically, the old established order, church, university, political class, aristocracy swung behind the brave new imperialist order. A situation, minus empire, where Scotland and its people roughly stand today.
An outside observer’s view but it has many familiar resonances, inertia, complacency and dependency being classic symptoms of the state.
Nothing unique therein, just classic colonialism, if you have the wit to detect the symptoms. .
No thanks!
Not after ‘illegal wars’ Blair and “sell all the gold and raid the pensions’ Brown.
How does that phrase go “fool me once you fool and then fool me twice and … f’cked if I can remember it now.
@Alf Baird says:7 November, 2023 at 1:54 pm
I question some of your figures:
-97,000 in-migration ‘new-Scots’ per annum
-69,000 out-migration Scots/others per annum
If 97K are coming in and 69K are leaving, Scottish net migration is 28K PA.
We know that UK net migration was 606K last year, so as a rough rule of thumb, assuming Scotland gets 10%, Scotland’s figure should be 60K.
Thus you are out by over 50%.
Happy to be corrected if you can do that.
Regarding our current pretendy dear leader’s ambition to grow us by a million (or is it 2 million?). Even 60K will take him 16 years for the first million. Unless the intention is to prioritise those of child bearing age, encourage large broods, and thus get the numbers up that way.
But in general, I agree with your conclusions – the indigenous numbers for Indy decline inexorably as the years pass.
All the more reason for focusing on the one thing that unites all of us here in Scotland – the economic case.
Show us the
Naw, goany no do that in this post.
Don’t know where the “Big” went in that last post, big chicken is a turkey. On that subject, I just realised Bernard Matthews did look a bit like Robert Maxwell, but I digress.
Eco Musings…
Net Zero klaxon!
How will Scotland source the wood to make bagpipes if we can’t cut down any trees here…
I visited a bagpipe maker earlier and they happened to have a couple of sets of bagpipes my late old man made over two decades ago that were back in for a check over before going to a owner.
They still looked ace and t’was really nice to pick them up and hold the leather my father stitched to make the bags and bellows, and the wood he cut, drilled and turned to make the bellows, drones, and chanters.
Claim to fame the piper in Niteworks plays pipes my father made too. 🙂
Niteworks are pretty groovy fusing traditional with electro themes.
Here’s a couple of track from them. (nae pipes)
Gloomy Winter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRrpzJZQuck
John Riley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zhlMukuSA0
Dan, at 6:45pm,
The McCrone report has been widely ripped apart as a piece of one-sided analysis. It’s also 49 years on from when it was written, in an era when many heavy industries were nationalised, and so revenues really could be taken onto government books. They cannot, now.
Do try to post something even vaguely relevant to the here and now. And for God’s sake, don’t even think about mentioning “Scottish” renewable energy, because it’s not going to be exported, and in any case, the same wind and solar and tidal is only transient for a few hours across Scotland, and then becomes English/Danish/Irish/Norwegian/wherever wind, solar or tidal. So it’s not really Scottish at all.
Chas
You should’ve saved yer ink.
Who mentioned banks? Countries don’t go to banks.
They have a treasury. That prints money. The same kind that prints England’s. UK is trillions in debt. No *bank manager* has foreclosed or called in the debt.They just keep shoveling money out. Weird eh?
You make it sound like countries use the same banking methods as Joe Bloggs off the street wandering in to some bank manager when we all know that’s not how it works..
Scotland has oodles of resources. It will also have oodles of investment. Scotland can write cheques cause it has the back up to pay for it & goods that people want. We’d be exporting our own oil direct to the EU ourselves rather than through the London treasury & we’re just at the start of renewables.
Simple. We ain’t using NatWest LOL
TURABDIN – well put together. A post that mentions colonialism but puts it in context.
John Main @ 7:19 pm
“I question some of your figures”
The issue is the annual change in indigenous Scottish population. You refer only to in- and out-migration, however the other additional data I provided in regard to births and deaths in Scotland per annum gives a more complete picture:
People ‘arrive’ = in-migration AND births/pa
People ‘leave’ = out-migration AND deaths/pa
Taking into consideration all 4 sets of data in aggregate gives a more complete picture of the estimated annual change in the indigenous population, albeit allowing some margin of error.
I’m sticking up for Dan, in gratitude for him posting the most memorable phrase this year so far on Wings BTL:
jumping into a septic tank to clear a blockage of shite, piss, fannypads and condoms all melded together with congealed fat
Soz, Dan, if you wanted royalties, you should have made that clear at the time – too late now.
Granted, Dan wasn’t writing about the Herculean task facing any sane, rational, Sovereign Scot, when dealing with the congealing mass of brain farts on here. But his meme is out there and running free, and can never be recalled.
If you’re banking on selling off your ‘resources’ (or just the rights to the resources) while sitting in your undies watching telly (I think you are) that’s not going to cut it.
Mike d
Sounds awfully suspicious to me. No names, no witnesses. I don’t think anyone would do that to an old geezer without a member of the public apprehending them until the police arrived or giving them a good thump for their trouble.
Smells like bullshit to me.
@john main 1:41
Hi dad.
Are you still having relations with Auntie Blimp?
Check your wean Chas for nits.
Only joking John, you know how much we respect you here, don’t you?
OhmsLawKlaxon!
Whit aboot gas then. Scotland has about 65% of UK gas fields which supply around 50% of UK domestic production.
CCGT power stations in England currently burning gas to meet 45% of GB Grid ‘s leccy demand.
https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
But if nae cunt wants to buy gas, then how come England is currently importing shitloads from Norway through the Easington Langeled pipeline.
NB. Reminder to the military man that read the map wrong a couple of weeks back, that Easington is in England, just like Blythe where the Norwegian leccy interconnect comes in.
Click the link and then click the flow graph to see the big blue line.
https://data.nationalgas.com/gas-flows/latest
You don’t sell off yer resources. You only sell a share.
You keep the lion share.. kerching!
That’s how it works eh?
Should’ve told the Tories that.
@TURABDIN says:7 November, 2023 at 7:13 pm
portrayed variously as dour, rugged, trusty, brave, loyal, not given to flights of fancy
You missed one.
Thrifty, tight-fisted, canny with money. As somebody once wrote, the only nation to have turned what most nations see as a vice (thrift or meanness) into a virtue, is the Scots.
I argue that it is our indigenous carefulness with money that makes the economic case for Indy the only approach worth persevering with. Conversely, the wastrel, spendthrift behaviour of our present SNP/Green administration sticks in our collective craw as an affront against our basic value system, and blights Indy by association.
We can tolerate failure (we Scots can celebrate failure!) but we can’t thole the wasting of cold, hard cash.
You push back against these ideas, as I have noted from your previous posts. Maybes you are missing a key piece of the puzzle that is Scotland because of that.
Geri,
you appear to not know how Government financing works.
The main sources of purchases of government debt are pension funds, corporates, and overseas governments. All three want only 2 things: a guarantee to pay back the principal in whatever agreed number of years, and confidence that the borrowing government will still be found in whatever years to pay it back. The second factor is also expressed as a yield, or interest rate. There’s some other secondary factors that adjust the interest rate, for example Liz Truss going berserk, but by and large, those are the two principal factors.
In the case of the U.K., the combined nations have built up the market confidence in being around to pay it back. That wouldn’t be the case up front with iScotland, particularly if it were to follow your insane 50%+1 instant UDI proposal. Somebody might be OK with iScotland borrowing, but only with a premium of 15% annual interest. Are you going to pay that interest? That’s your mortgage, your credit card, your car PCP.
Oh, and stick another 10% on for not having Scotland’s own central bank. And a further 10% for not having Scotland’s own currency. And a further 10% for having disastrous demographics and an active brain drain of the intelligent high earners after UDI.
GB Grid: Last Month’s Interconnector and Transfer Totals
Interconnectors:
France: 726.00GWh
Northern Ireland: -210.33GWh
Netherlands: 52.10GWh
Ireland: -212.43GWh
Belgium: 171.04GWh
Norway: 495.54GWh
System Transfers:
Scot->Eng: 1.69TWh
https://nitter.net/UK_Imports/status/1719660656096387394
“jumping into a septic tank to clear a blockage of shite, piss, fannypads and condoms all melded together with congealed fat”.
I hate to say this, but I agree with you on that. One last thing, was there not some mention of a dead trout in the septic tank too? Sounds unlikely I know but that is what I remember. Perhaps Dan himself is lurking and can confirm.
@Geri says:7 November, 2023 at 7:50 pm
I don’t think anyone would do that to an old geezer without a member of the public apprehending them until the police arrived or giving them a good thump for their trouble
Naw?
And if the auld boy’s been labelled a TERF?
Still naw?
C’moan, Geri, get yer heid in gear.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-burning-house/comment-page-1/#comment-2772632
Yay, just noticed under this linked to post on UK energy I find Confused’s song.
“Oh Flower of Ex Regio
when will we see
OUR REVENUE AGAIN
that flowed and gushed for
inflating the pound throughout the neoliberal program
creating a southern property bubble
facilitating short range and selective trickle down policies to southern tories
…
a wee bit hill and glen
(lyrics need work)”
Right, got to go as this cylinder head won’t port itself…
Geri,
which countries is a future iScotland going to export renewable energy to, and why would they buy from iScotland rather than produce it themselves?
Ach, seeing as it’s only a single cylinder engine rather than a multi cylinder with more ports..
One more…
Oh dear, it seems some folk are too delicate and sensitive to even read about what others have to do for work or a living.
Toughen up ya fooking softies as highly doubt your oan shite smells particularly good, even to yourselves.
Aye, I think it’s twice I have mentioned having to clear septic tanks and sewers for neighbours. One was a pumped tank with float switches which had got stuck in a build up of fatty shite and caused the 2m x 2m x 2m holding tank to fill completely so required me to go and fix the issue. Because it hadn’t cycled the pumps for a while both had seized so had to remove and strip the pump housings to free off the impellers, then rebuild and refit.
Another was just a simple collapsed sewer that had choked with stuff someone had flushed down the toilet. That was the job that had the broon trout in it. Judging by said trout’s orientation in the sewer pipe we can establish it had been flushed down the toilet rather than having swam up. Well that’s unless a trout can do some kind of fishy moonwalk and swim backwards.
@Alf Baird says:7 November, 2023 at 7:40 pm
Thanks for your reply.
Fact: UK net migration last year was 606,000.
Estimate (Mine): Scotland’s share of that was 10% or 60,000.
Against the liklihood that the majority of “New Brits” chose to stay in England & Wales, and thus Scotland got fewer brand new immigrants, we have to offset the numbers of white British who upped sticks to Scotland to escape from the increasingly unbearable overcrowding south of the border.
Who are they buying it from the now?
Who says Scots won’t have a currency?
Who says we won’t have a central bank?
Who says we won’t have investor’s?
Who says no one will want our stuff?
Who are all these people that won’t like to trade with energy/resource rich Bonnie wee Scotland?
England look like they’ll be needing it. Our first customer Yay! 1000% mark up seeing it’s them..!
They’ve no oil & they only have a teeny 32% bit of the of water & that’s needed for dingy crossings & shouting at foreigners LOL!
England is skint without Scotland. Listen to Jim Rogers. A man that kens whit he’s talking aboot…
Ass,
England for starters.
They’ve 65 million to provide for & nae water.
Are they gonnie just sit in the dark?
The Morris dancers are screaming, very quietly.
Dan
Bless you. You sound like a great neighbour.
It’s not something I could do. That’s one of those jobs where it’s feck equality, you can keep it! Gies the phone. Hello, Dyno-rod LOL!
Football is dead. Scrap VAR.
We’re all having a good laugh on here tonight. Best make the most of it, as it seems we have an innarestin weekend ahead.
If it goes as many want it to go, and as many in the MSM are predicting, there’s gonna be a lot of political opinions changed, in one direction, or another, by this time next week.
Looks like we may all be about to get a clear view of the future of the UK, of England, and maybes even of sleepy, wee Scotland. I wonder if we will like what we see?
And what we will do about it if we don’t?
Scottish football has always been rigged – maybe not scientifically proved- but we know!
@Dan says:7 November, 2023 at 8:31 pm
I hope you used a fly.
In the circumstances I would have recommended a Drop Arse Spinner Olive – excellent in poor light.
A worm would have been just so fecking unsporting.
White British will have to partake in a Scottish immigration exam to pass border control. Based on the English one but with minimal warmongering.
1st round:
The Scots language:
Including slang.
Must be fluent in Gaelic.
2nd round:
The battle of Bannockburn
The battle of Culloden
The Jacobite uprising
Guy Fawkes
Times, dates, infantry, tea boys names & weapons of choice please..
3rd round pop culture:
Locations of:
Gregory’s Girl
That sinking Feeling
Outlander
Game of Thrones
Big country lead singer
Best Simple Minds track
females name fae Deacon Blue
Wings Scottish actress/ singer crush as a lad
4th cuisine:
Whits a poke o chips?
Whits a piece?
5th Means to support yerself:
Where yea off tae?
Who’s selling?
Wiz it cheap?
Do you ken anyone fae aroon here?
Dae yeh huv rellies here?
Who wiz yer auntie?
Whit you planning on daein?
Dae yea aw plan on staying?
Is this a holiday hoose?
If it’s not 100% pass they’re no getting in.
@Geri at 8:37 pm.
Oh dear. How naive.
If England is ‘buying it’ from Scotland now, what’s your beef?
Who says Scots [i]will[/i] have a currency and a central bank?
Mark up? You’ll price yourself out of the market, even supposing rUK does want to trade rather than invest in its own renewables. How will the private companies react when they’re somehow obliged to sell only to Scotland instead of a wider UK market? They’ll charge you more. Now you’ll say the Scottish government will simply privatise renewables, but that will just suppress further enterprise since investors will know if they succeed in Scotland the Scottish government will seize their assets under ‘privatisation.’
All the economic arguments I see on this site seem to rely on third world subsistence rather than first world enterprise.
Dan – I’ll tell you a useless piece of information that might resonate with a resourceful chap like you: If I rod my drains in the direction of flow, I need 115No draining rods to do it. It sounds as though I stay in a great-big gaff but I don’t. It’s just the way it is around here. All in A1 condition by the way and very, very shallow…..around 18″. Built in 1880.
First of all, Happy Birthday Wings Over Scotland!
Secondly, I have the Rolf Harris documentary on STV on just now.
What gets me is that a man with such a musical talent, could be so perverted.
When you listen to –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwtnBm8glPE
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayGiJXnFfhA
you can hear that the man had an ear for music but his predilections let him down.
@John Main 8:58pm
I wouldn’t wish your prediction on anybody. I know you couched it in ambiguous terms. But we know what you mean.The clever perspective is for calm. It doesn’t help when our First Minister encourages unrestricted protest on a special weekend. He clearly doesn’t understand what it means to be Scottish. I repeat the casualty rate amongst Scottish serviceman was 10% during WW1 the highest in the UK. Here are some family examples I am named after my Grandad fought in Belgium. My wife’s Grandad fought at Ypres. Her great Uncle fought at Vimy Ridge and died. I have researched his background and he is in a Commonwealth grave in France. I promised to take her there but Covid got in the way. I will take her next year. We will be attending our local Armistice ceremony on Saturday. It’s an act of remembrance. There has been a wee stooshie in Palestine. Nothing compared to the millions lost in WW1 and Ww2.
Geri,
clearly, the concept of profit and loss, self-suffiency or import, and trading as a going concern, is somewhat beyond you. Forget asking you to think strategically over a multi-decade horizon. I’m tempted to send you a link to a 48 page investment survey of renewable energy in the north east Atlantic, including the North Sea and Channel, but I think you would be confused even by the picture on the front cover. And that document is merely the executive summary of 8 further deep dive volumes. That’s how big investments are decided yay or nay: in depth research and sober analysis. That may be a stretch for you.
But that’s alright. Nobody is going to be asking you for an intellectual contribution. Just keep on with your gin ‘n Buckie, and lobbing sweary stuff at everyone else while sitting on the front step.
@George Ferguson says:7 November, 2023 at 9:50 pm
Thanks for your reply.
I fully understand where you are coming from on this.
Oh my gaaaawd!
Why are independent countries not running to sign up tae a Union fur?
They could join the English empire again?
I wonder how on earth they all manage on their own?
Pack it in. Even Cameron/Better Together dropped that mince from their campaign because it was well & truly trounced a million times.
All you English need to bugger off. Wonder where yer own money is coming from. Money laundering & Ruskie Oligarchs …oh dear. How will you survive? Better start peddling that Union pish & find another gullible country to leech fae..
Try France LOL
Oh, that’s right, the Yoons never paid their bills their either.
James Jones, the English don’t pay us. They divert it to their brass plate in England so Scots don’t collect the revenues.
50% + support Indy. It’s not going away. Ever. You lot better get moving..
Dan @ 19:55
BOOM!! Headshot to the YoonFools! Haw.
Keep ’em coming. They don’t like it up ’em. LOLZ
Truth hurts and all that…
Main
What’s happening next week?
I feel I’m late to the party.
Congratulations.
Happy Birthday Wings.
Jeeez, there have been a gie puckle highs a lows in those 12 years.
The high hopes that lift yer hert , then the real low on Friday 19th Sept.
6am my 11 yo daughter came thro’ with such disappointment in her voice “It’s a NO dad”
I replay it often in my mind & shed tears, not for me but for all those other youngsters out there stuck with this “$hity mess” I have my £815 to look forward to. Grrrrrrr
The high many felt when NS took the reins.
I felt she will bring on board to the YES Camp all those “A dinna like yon Alec Samin”
Then your revelations about what was really happening.
I still struggle to understand how Mr Salmond found the strength to get thro’ it & return to the frontline despite being so badly wounded.
We all have so much to thank you for.
You swam against the tide to give us TRUTH, the Effin truth we could hardly swallow.
Many stepped back, unable to accept the TRUTH as you portrayed it.
Others like me, watched it become reality.
Thank you for all your hard work.
They’ll be a few handbags between British patriots, otherwise known as right wing football hooligans and Palestians.
Hopefully just stop oil finally get a good seeing to at the fist of a man in a leather jacket with a slutty lower back tattoo on his face.
And I hope they won’t enjoy it either. There’s been a cobra meeting launched. A nest of vipers. What will they discuss I wonder? How they made an entirely predictable fucking arse of it by backing Isreael and vetoing ceasefires. How couldn’t see they see it coming? That’s what I want to know.
Just looked Twitter.
Gawd, the racist Yoons are out in force.
& People Don’t think Yoons are fascist.
Humza is getting a kicking for calling for a ceasefire.
‘There’s been a cobra meeting launched. A nest of vipers. What will they discuss I wonder?’
Why they ever scrapped Bojos water cannons.
Onnyhoo, Dan is one of the soundest Wingers I’ve met.
His input here is not crap – it would justify a wee ‘attention to’ by others who think they know better – specially Fruitella. (Pardon my spelling if incorrect.)
Brian Doonthetoon – Given that he spent a long time yesterday explaining collapsed sewers and blocked-up septic tanks, you may wish to reconsider that last comment? Dan versus Fruitella is the engineer versus the admin bloke.
The protesters will protest. I joined Palestinians in glasgow. I think that Sunak should call a ceasefire. He should respect the palestian supporters right to protest away from the armistice services.
And go easy on the policing. Cops in riot gear tighten tensions. Quite simply.
All he has to do is call for a ceasefire. In the spirit of remembrance. But they won’t this government is hell bend on war everywhere with the big tech puppet.
It’s all very sad.
If they ban protests then they hate freedom. And who’s next? Football fans and us?
I said Sharia Law off our streets but I change my mind. It’s not the right thing to do on reflection.
British foreign policy is setting up a race war on the streets.
We are one. We are all connected. We are not apart. Our spirits and souls are one entity. We are humans.
That’s what I believe. Just goes to show how badly the government is running things and the press is backing up division as well.
That’s what I think. You fall for it yourself sometimes.
@David Hannah says:8 November, 2023 at 6:27 am
Backing down already?
Man, that was quick.
Maybes you should just stick to posting about Indy being gifted to us one day, if we all promise to sit quietly at home and don’t make a fuss.
Auntie Beeb reporting the first war memorial desecration.
Of course, it’s the Beeb, so it must be a pack of shit-stirring lies. Even so, they’ve gone to a lot of trouble, with AI-generated pics – all the stops pulled out in fact.
So plenty of eejits will believe the story. And I’m one of them.
Taking strong positions on Israel vs Palestine is not going to help on securing independence.
One moment we are clamouring to get away from colonialism, the next calling out the lack of intervention on a dispute thousands of miles away.
There is nothing in this conflict that ought to take us away from neutrality and concentrating on our own problems that is not currently happening in Sudan, Ethiopia, Yemen, Burma, Mali, Niger, Tibet, Armenia, Ukraine, Syria and God knows where else.
Geri
I tried my best to keep it simple thinking that even the likes of you would maybe understand.
Bank=Electorate, Company= Proposed Independent Scotland but you failed to grasp that. No surprise.
You really have no financial/economic understanding yet seem proud to display your ignorance on a daily basis.
‘It will all be fine’ only works if you are thick. You will undoubtedly take some comfort knowing that you are not alone in this respect.
In one of the Charles Dickens books-can’t remember which one, it was stated, (or words to that effect)
Annual income £1-Expenditure 19/6-Result-Happiness
Annual income £1-Expenditure 20/6-Result-Misery
Chas,
Can’t remember the book’s title, but the character who said that was Mr Micawber.
I think so, anyway. I was always a huge disappointment to my English tutors at school. I’m absolutely shit at English grammar. Couldn’t give two hoots, I remember telling an English tutor that language and grammar are less important than communication. Earned my 14 year old self 5 hours of detention for being cheeky. I was correct then, still am on that topic.
Did the odd combination of History, Geography, Statistics and Physics for A levels. Stuff that I think that matter.
JOHN MAIN 7:59
Scots are not the only ethnicity with a feeling for money, Armenians, Greeks, Jews and my own lot are inclined to put the dosh before more «cerebral» concerns. It comes from being a minority which lacking political power extracts power from that commodity that is often a good substitute for the political variety.
The above «minorities» did fairly well in the Ottoman empire, despite the religious handicap which led to occasional bloodshed, as the Scots did in the British imperium when the troubles of the 18th century were «sorted». Minorities do tend to be practical people and know when to cooperate with the prevailing force.
The Scots, as individuals, contributed massively to the success of the British empire and like the above minorities generally at the cost of their ethnicity’s political status and characteristic.
In the Scots case, as in that of the Ottoman, the prevailing force has ceased to prevail.
So, the political paradigm has shifted and it is now over to you.
Stasis or dynamis?
NuEnglish says:
“Did the odd combination of History, Geography, Statistics and Physics for A levels. Stuff that I think that matter.”
You should have stuck in a bit more then as statistically you’ve made some errors when you’ve stated history is just ancient guff, Blyth was in Scotland, and Ohm’s Law would stop leccy being exported through interconnects.
John Main @7.13am
Ex-parachute regiment soldier from NI punched, how convenient with the stop the slaughter march coming up on Saturday, its as convenient as the medical head of the British army just happening to stumble upon the Skripals sitting on a park bench.
A Scot Abroad said;
“Did the odd combination of History, Geography, Statistics and Physics for A levels. Stuff that I think that matter.”
Well, you failed on the history bit, for sure, though you were probably just lied to about it, just as the rest of us have certainly been. Ancient guff may well be ancient, but it isn’t guff if it’s still on the statute books!
It’s as plain as day they’re looking for bother.
The racist intolerant twatting tories & Labour.
The Brit nats have politicised remembrance Sunday for years.
They’ve stoked religious tensions.
They’ve stoked immigration.
They’ve stoked Brit nats into a frenzy over fcking poppies & wanked all over who’d *press the button* in the media.
They’ve embarrassed themselves in Europe & the world stage
They’re cheering on warmongering & supplying weapons to cranks & despots. Even illegal ones.
They’re cheering blowing up schools & hospitals
They’re cheering genocide & a final solution
They’re democracy deniers
They’re international law breakers
They’re fascists
They’re totalitarian
They’re deporting the riff raff
They forbid women to speak
They’ve a mass sterilisation program going on
They’re experimenting on kids
They’re erasing gays
They’re censoring the shit out of everything
They’re removing the right to vote
& The new police state doesn’t know if it’s victor or vera
But let’s all take a minute on Sunday to lay a wreath.
Those Nazi bastards.. what were they like eh!? Hope we never turn into them…
Oh wait..
Brian Doonthetoon
Do you not think Dan can fend for himself? He’s been needling me since February, claiming some variant if the line that I can’t comment on things environmental unless my grandkids (toddlers) are sent out to pick tatties.
I know that this is a rough house. I’m here because the oil issue will break up the independence effort (ironic, since that’s what drove it into view in the first place). I’ve become aware how adamantly some are set against the scientific outlook and that scares me.
Anyway, stopped raining so out with the chainsaw for firewood and to log a mature birch that came down in the last storm. I was never much good at admin and have done nearly none since retiring – just insurance policies for my fleet of obsolete but enjoyable traffic (that’s to CY).
When someone starts singing about their qualifications on a forum for no apparent reason – it’s a sure sign they’ve got none.
Gies a laugh, what history?
Was it the Neil Oliver version? LOL
Fruitella
They’ll never stop oil. It’s needed for too many things besides running cars.
It can drastically reduce it over time but it won’t be stopped dead. So if yer waiting on that happening 1st you’ll be waiting a long time. Every single country would need to stop it & aye, good luck with that one..
It’s like Indian – we know yer just building & totally missed the industrial revolution era due to the Brits but can you stop burning coal now? We’ve all moved on… LOL!
It’s an arrogance.
Fruitella – His strategy (he’s repeated this often enough, so we should all understand it?) is to insulate our homes and heat them using cheap electricity from a Nationalized energy company and that sounds like a sensible plan to me.
Oh aye, fruitella, stop being such softy and trying to claim victimhood of aggression when it’s just plain written words I’ve used in debating the practical realities of us all moving to a more ecologically sound existence.
Why should that needle you unless it some how hits a nerve that you and yours could be doing more to begin to implement the change you supposedly seek.
I’m taking a break from cutting insulation to fit around the skylights. Tricky shizzle for the brain with all sorts of intersecting angles on different plains. Two done and one more to go after lunch. This work should help reduce my energy needs by much improving the thermal efficiency of my property. Whole house renovation by oneself does take a great deal of effort.
@ fruitella
Seeing as you are for all things green got any thoughts on this situation I mentioned last night.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/at-the-seven-eleven/comment-page-1/#comment-2801887
@ fruitella
Are you aware what you write could be perceived as needling folk by calling them pumpers and trying to paint of picture of what you think someone is like.
I notice you haven’t yet answered this post on last thread.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/ready-for-drowning/comment-page-2/#comment-2801828
Or if you took up John Main’s challenge.
Imagine the scenario
Scotland has won her independence..
Green loons are in charge..
Stop drilling oil – it’s destroying the planet.
Stop building windmills – they’re killing the birds
Stop fishing – it’s upsetting the fishes
Stop building houses – it’s detrimental to wildlife
Stop cutting down trees – they’re living beings
Stop heating yer house – hypothermia isn’t so bad
Stop eating animals – they fart
Stop building roads – we don’t need them
So whit can we dae, Patrick?
We can go all go have sex with some weans … Yay!
The eunuchs we made earlier are gagging fir it!
Picked up from nitter coz twitter is shitter.
https://unherd.com/thepost/why-is-the-scottish-government-targeting-women-for-egg-donation/
I see Dan reposted some of my old factual posts; these were made in the naive expectation that it would settle frequent questions – but as we all know by now, half the frequent posters are not in good faith, just at it. Which is why you should instead, enjoy yourself and insult them – I am sure it does a lot for the morale of the passive readers who according to the rev outnumber the “posting class” by about 100 to 1.
The most obvious and damning indictment of the UK management of Scotland is to be seen in Norway; half that oil was ours, it went to the treasury, the other half went to the norwegs and we see what they did with it – “best country in the world”. Luckily, not too many Scots visit Norway. Still, the M25, Canary Wharf, nukes and the southern property bubble … better together? Pooled and shared … pissed (up a wall) and fucked (you all with it). Single track roads are fun, and who has not experienced the thrills of the A9?
If you want numbers, then the main problem is the UK collates them, and they obviously have a vested interest to fiddle them, the most obvious trick being “ex regio”. Really? – this is Bernie Madoff levels of chutzpah.
When you dig into it historically, we have McCrone, but also Jappy, who worked for the ukgov – he was the man who “did the numbers” in a rigorous, civil-servantish way, only to find they got “disappeared” or otherwise, “fucked with”. “independence”(!) and intellectual rigour is something touted for the UK bureaucracy, but not when it matters. Separate income/expenditure numbers were kept for Scotland until 1920, but they got embarrassing, so they disappeared – Scotland got less than 30% of what it raised spent back on it; NB this was long before oil, it is not “all about oil”.
The sleekit-bastardy never stops – if you checked Dan’s links to my posts, one of my posts had a link to the UK trade figures website; it is now “dead”. And there is a story there – there used to be an easy to use/navigate interface to get all the good stuff, then they “improved it” but it was much more difficult to find things … and now its gone.
The best place for unbiased numbers is the IMF, who have no axe to grind; their GDP numbers are solid, and you see what we missed out on wrt our peers/neighbours; Norway (with oil) and Ireland (no oil) are in the 600B USD economy class, UK (with us) is in the 3T. i.e. with competent management, our economy should be in the same Norway/Ireland class, which is more than 20% of the entire UK, with only 8% of the population.
There is a separate number for Scotland’s GDP – it is 200B USD says wikipedia(?), i.e. less than 1/3 of our peers. So, the question is now – is this number right, or is it wrong.
– if its wrong, then we are being truly conned about our contribution to the UK
– it its right, then it indicates a colossal mismanagement of Scotland
either way, you need to get out of this “business relationship” – you are suffering incompetence or outright fraud. Scotland’s wealth is not being used for the good of its own people and it never will when we have no democracy; you can vote any way you fucking want, but some cunt, in some other place, who despises you and would probably like to see you -dead- … will be making the decisions.
The other “blast from the past” was home counties woman in a red dress, shitting herself and coming out with extravagant “cope” as Jim Rogers lays the truth on her, as seen from the international investor class (who don’t actually care about individual countries).
Americans, eh? You have to watch them; like that guy Max Keiser who was a bit too direct. Occasionally, “market truth” gets on the telly – the last time this happened was a junior trader on Sky News being asked about some economic mini crisis the UK was having; the young guy, naive, just told the truth – “the city doesn’t care about the wider economy, we are just all about making a profit … and right now we are doing well … ” – shocked faces. This was the opposite of what they believed the city was – an engine, powering the economy, and bankers doing the best for us all … nuh uh …
– there was a bit of a furore in the financial press and the junior was told to shut his mouth, but no one ever said he was wrong, or lying. Financial activity is made opaque to the public, so a lot of commonly believed myths are supported, like bankers being smart (until they blow things up), or the markets being about the wellbeing of the country in general; the city, at the heart of the UK, is outside its legal jurisdiction, imagine that – and why is that tolerated? Because of corruption, its not illegal when we write our own laws. The general public probably believe the pound is still on the gold standard.
You can make a profit when things go up, but also when they go down, and also “going nowhere” or “up or down”; and all you are trying are to do is leverage an “information advantage”. During Black Wednesday, a lot of banks made big profits (ironically RBS) by betting -against- the pound; because its all about profit, and there is no loyalty to nation, never mind people.
The city just does its own thing – the last guy who tried to put a leash on it was Wilson and we see what happened to him; the square mile is just a pirate haven, a mafia organisation, which has bought all the politicians (they provide the cushy jobs post-politics) and they are very much our enemy, very much thieves who have stolen from us, the lives we could have had. The city serving wider society via the invisible hand and all that, is just a myth; by now it’s an out of control “golem” with an insatiable appetite. Well regulated, mature, free and efficient markets – can provide a service to the economy, mainly they can solve a lot of small problems, well. But a lot of things they cannot do and the profit motive does not necessarily have any positive social benefit; market failure is more common than you think. But the deep point is simply – you cannot just let the city boys run wild, they will wreck your society.
Repetition I know but this little bit what I wrote as part of that piece brought no comment and answers the folk claiming that I expect an abrupt disappearance of oil ( point I have made in a number of posts.
“ There’s more but I’ll just say this: policy to extend oil use directly or indirectly is totally at odds with policy to sufficiently reduce it in the timescales we are now aware of. Opposing oil-soft policy is not the same as stopping all oil use now – which is totally unrealistic. Saying it is – and I’m talking about the intelligent and traditionally educated contributors here – is probably dishonest.
“I know dishonesty is not a crime in politics, far from it, but this site is about ideas. Politics is about building alliances, not destroying the partners needed. Saying that, I reckon environmental support for meaningful independence is more important than oil industry support, even in the short term.”
To no avail with the likes of Geri who seems to delight in smearing all environmentalists with the slur they are paedophiles – with no evidence of either inclination or activity or convictions whatsoever.
Geri maybe does more to demolish the prospects for an indy alliance across the red/green/blue political divide than all the open unionists and doubtfuls posting here put together. I’m sure she doesn’t mean to.
Capn Y
I fully agree with Dan on the insulation and renewable leccy strategy. That would reduce oil demand, a very good thing.
Confused
Bravo!
& I remember that city slicker lol
A crash was Christmas come early. That’s what they live & pray for.
Interviewer – eh? Yer not all living on beans & rampant austerity like the rest of us?!
D’oh!
I was watching DDN a week or so back & it was Corbyn regards Chili & big corporations/ the stagnation & strangulation of society by neo liberalism & the methods they’ll use to anyone in their way.
As for the roasters on here – they are it it. They’ve zero interest. They’re just here to disrupt.
“If they ban protests then they hate freedom.”
David Hannah.
Indeed David, the long running plan is curtail our freedoms such as speech and the right to demonstrate among other things.
As for Saturday’s march in London.
The Met Police Commissioner is trying to do the democratic thing (I never thought I’d say that) by allowing the Stop the Slaughter march to go ahead this Saturday. To add pressure to his decent decision the PM Rishi Sunak will meet with him to get across the consequences of his democratic decision if things go belly up and violence breaks out at the march.
However, in my opinion violence will only break out at the march if right wing thugs are bussed in to confront the peaceful marchers and I think that’s what’s on the cards.
Manufactured violence and disorder will probably be heavily reported by the complicit media, and this will be followed by calls in the usual quarters to ban any Pro-Palestinian marches in the UK
Fruitella
There is plenty of evidence. You don’t storm into school armed like the Gestapo to change curriculums to sexualize weans & a dedicated team to take over should a teacher *feel uncomfortable.*
The Greens have done more to trash independence than little ole me typing on a forum. The Greens are batshit mental in Parliament every day & are only interested in sex, other people’s weans & the mutilation of gay kids genitals.
They’ve had a whiff of power & it’s cost us millions of pounds to a daft outfit who were taking the piss for their wages alone & GRR groups thinking up new ways of social engineering. & It’s not just the mad Scots. Their English counterpart are just as cultish.
They’re not independence supporters either.
I bet if SNP voters actually read their manifesto they’d soon bin the 2nd vote & jettison them tae fck..
We don’t need wine bar revolutionists. People will do their bit on sound, methodically researched & implemented policies. Not the clusterfck of the Slaters of this world who blew her way through millions of ££s then admits she didn’t think it through.
“Only 93 MPs in Westminster support a parliamentary motion calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, as of 8 November. Some 86% continue to support Israel’s bombing, involving attacks on civilians which have killed over 10,000 Palestinians.”
Quite few are Scottish support the continued slaughter of the Zionists.
See who does and doesn’t support the continued killings of the oppressed Palestinian people.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/hall-of-shame-over-500-mps-back-israels-bombing-of-gaza/
Republicofscotland says:
8 November, 2023 at 2:38 pm
“Only 93 MPs in Westminster support a parliamentary motion calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, as of 8 November. Some 86% continue to support Israel’s bombing, involving attacks on civilians which have killed over 10,000 Palestinians.”
What happened to the ceasefire Gaza had up till October 7th?
Ach well. Not our circus, is it? The real Gazza is a gentleman.
Dan.
Thank you for providing the list, (long list ) yesterday, that made me happy, to be exact of the statistics, it is good to see it wrote down as a reminder of how our Country could easily function with the right leaders
thank you
My comment and your intellectual response, along with many others certainly stirred a hornets nest, more so from those who select shortened versions of history for their benefit and bully Scotland into thinking we are a useless small Country with no assests and no Brains,
But this selective nit picken only bits of history are only partly true for “union first” minded people needs calling out.
One of the reasons I posted that comment yesterday is the constant harping on from unionist that the treaty of union in 1707 is real ancient history,
an Scots “Sovereignty was stopped dead” because of that ancient real history
But all other real ancient along side history is Guff from unionist.
It is unionist selective history to feed the old or new People of Scotland, it is Colonial bullying selective claptrap,
It makes the people of Scotland ignorant of ( all ) the reality their history.and blind folds the avenues of the people seeking freedom of their Country from that very related bulling oppression towards Scotland that we witness on here daily.
Everyone by now knows that through my research into ancient records from English history, I have arrived at a believe that the Country of Scotland, and separately “the People” have not ever been in a union with England.
Here is a small example of that ancient guff that unionist wish Scots were kept in the dark about, from Westminster parliament records.
The English union with Scotland is as follows, the (numerical numbers) are important, regards which came first the chicken and egg?
For Queen Anne of Great Britain or Queen Anne of England arranging Commissioners for Scotlands side of a treaty of union……
12 & 13 Will. 3.c. 2.
The Act of Settlement…….date missing.
An Act For the further limitation of the Crown and better securing the rights and liberties of the Subject
6 Anne, c. 11,
The Union with with Scotland Act 1706.
An Act for a union of two kingdoms of Scotland and England.
6 Anne, c.40.
The union with Scotland, ( Amendment ) Act 1707.
An Act for rendering the union of two kingdoms more entire and complete.
6 Anne, c 41. Succession to the Crown Act 1707,
An Act for the Security of Her Majesties person and and the Government and the Succession to the Crown of Great Britain in the protestant line,
The Act of Settlement in 1701 was connected to the English bill of rights 1689 in the English parliament Acts through William and Mary, it ensure the protestant Succession to the English throne,
When Queen Anne became monarch of the English throne by Succession Scotland agreed to the Succession of the Throne of England.
In between all these Acts from king william and Queen Mary of Englands Throne, there is no Act of Westminster parliament of England that was made or could be made, there is no Ceremony or Crowning to make her Queen of Scotland,
The parliament of England SIMPLY extended the English parliament Act pre- union to Scotland for the Succession of the English throne to Scotland.
And there was no Ceremony or Crowning of Queen Anne of England in Scotland or Scotland even up to her death bed,
As we can see according to the numerical numbers of the Acts in Westminster parliament the Throne of England Succession of Queen Anne which Scotland agreed to, confirms that she was not Queen of Scotland under the Act of Settlement.
That succession to the throne of England in the protestant line is what Scotland agreed to, nothing more.
Surprised McDonald is on the ones calling for a ceasefire.
He must’ve fell out with his lobbying friends.
Scotland never agreed to the sucession to the throne or crown of Scotland in the Act of Settlement.
The English Westminster parliament presumed to Extend the throne of England to Scotland, under English parliament Acts to include Scotland.
After the date of a union of two parliamentary unions in 1707,
However the two parliamentary union parliaments of Scotland and England soon to be….also ceased to connect Scotland to England when Westminster parliament Acts and the Queen of England proclamation Dissolved the Scottish parliament,
Red
‘What happened to the ceasefire Gaza had up till October 7th?’
Has it been confirmed yet it was them who broke it?
Seems awfully suspicious.
Their neighbours are surveillance daft & armed to the teeth with spying equipment & Intel to miss hospitals carrying terrorists & ambulances transporting rockets wouldn’t you think?
Gawd, some ppl are worked fae the back right enough..
“I see Dan reposted some of my old factual posts; these were made in the naive expectation that it would settle frequent questions – but as we all know by now, half the frequent posters are not in good faith, just at it. Which is why you should instead, enjoy yourself and insult them – I am sure it does a lot for the morale of the passive readers who according to the rev outnumber the “posting class” by about 100 to 1”.
Confused – it’s all very well Dan stating the case, or you stating the case, but there are a large number of SNP MP’s and MSP’s who each have a staff and researchers at their disposal. All that other posters are asking the SNP to do is produce their own authoritative data so that the public can review it and make up their minds about it. In my opinion, that is where you fell short in 2014 and so you should be prepared to work at it from now until the next independence referendum. That is your job, the job of Nationalist elected parliamentarians. If not, what is their job?
Geri
Equating environmental policies with the dubious and dangerous antics of the communist revolutionaries in green clothing in parliament is comparable to equating the objective of independence with the antics of the recent SNP leadership and parliamentary group. Somewhat naive party members, most not active at branch level*, do not deserve to be tarred with the same brush. Green voters certainly do not deserve the names you, in particular here, have called them.
I guess you don’t endorse the view that the oil industry, which has the means, supports a concerted effort to discredit any environmental policies – and their proponents – to help keep their golden goosey honking.
Most of the green-labeled policies did not originate with the current SGP, they are outputs from intergovernmental panels where UK has (or had) representation, notably UN and EU. At that level of decision making economics not ecology dominates. Plenty subject expertise gets inputed at the consultation and analysis stages before that. Guess what – the subject experts are deeply angry that factual content reports get printed and ignored whilst vested interests dictate the measures resulting, with maybe a sop to the media to look like the do care.
*I attended branch meetings during my brief membership of SGP in 2014-15
I am climbing down John because I’m not going to get angry about something that hasn’t happened.
The World lock arms – we are together – and dance into the New Year with the Scottish message to humanity. I think it’s a great moment for the World; and a great thing for a nation to say:
Auld Lang Syne.
We Scots are always together and world sings our song by Rabbie.
The Poppy seller story pissed me off, but the truth is this.
I’m annoyed at the lack of social housing and affordable housing.
The Government hasn’t build enough.
And I’m annoyed at the wars in Ukraine that have inflated house prices.
Trussenomics.
Nicola Sturgeon.
The Muslims are lovely people the ones I know in Glasgow. They are business men corner shop owners. I know them personally from work.
Asians keep themselves to themselves. It’s not their fault that all the pubs are shutting. It’s the governments, and the ridiculous high price of alcohol. Energy.
Our town hall may be demolished and the last green space taken away for a new school. It’s not the immigrants fault.
It’s the corrupt SNP.
The church is to close when the minister retires.
It’s not the immigrants fault. It’s the churches. For being uninspiring and all the sex abuse scandals and their failure to he entertaining meaningful or inclusive.
I would ban tik tok.
I would cancel university students. White uni students shouting allu akbar. Of which they are not Muslims. I witnessed this on the Palestinian rally in Glasgow.
The British shouldn’t apologise for their past but I accept that Britain today is a toxic class system propping up a self appointed family that look on the working class as peasants.
They are the problem. Not Johnny foreigner.
I find it midly irritating to work with people who have a poor command of English. They are doing a job British workers don’t want to do.
I don’t feel like a minority so I can’t complain about that. Most people in Glasgow are white.
I think suella braverman and the tory party should hang their head in shame.
On further inspection. The daily mail story about the solider being punched. He was followed by cameras. Punched in the bsk. No evidence forthcoming.
The daily mail trying to stoke a race war. And then what?
Muslims slashing white folks in random attacks. Gang fights.
All instead of telling Isreael to stop the genocide.
They will let pandoras box flow. That’s the Tory party for you.
We don’t have a functioning government. A corrupt one so out of touch. That’s the truth.
I don’t support allu akbar, but I support their right to mobilise.
Rev,
You know what’s exhausting? It’s almost infuriating.
If we defeated the narcissistic sociopaths holding Scotland at ransom (on both sides of the faux contention), you could finally retire as we would be an Intependent and Sovereign Nation.
All it takes from the 50% of us Scots that believe that our country should be independent is to BECOME and ACT independent.
Ignore any of the two governments’ agencies and act as a Sovereign Individual.
Just imagine what would happen if 50% of any nation would do that… and it’s THAT simple.
I’m leading by example.
Not disclosing in a public forum, with my real name, what I do. I’ve said enough.
You all know what to do. DO IT.
Pandoras box.
To punish humanity, the other gods created the first woman, the beautiful Pandora. As a gift, Zeus gave her a box, which she was told never to open.
However, as soon as he was out of sight she took off the lid, and out swarmed all the troubles of the world, never to be recaptured.
Supporting the zionist massacre of Gaza. Is opening pandoras box and letting out all the Evils upon the British public. That’s what’s happening.
Off topic…. But an interesting video about the state of the Panama Canal…
Profoundly interesting given Scotland’s Darien Scheme, (which the video fails to mention), and indirect testimony, that even 100 years ago, there were still prolific fatalities being caused by the conditions surrounding the Panama Canal project.
Blink and you’ll miss it, but the video also mentions the possibility of an Arctic Maritime shipping lane becoming increasingly viable, which itself could represent a threat to the prosperity of the Canal.
Scotland’s Scapa Flow is very likely to find itself in the ideal geographical location to exploit such a developing opportunity, specifically to handle the new Arctic shipping routes and freighters who are now already too large to pass through Panama, and might benefit from a bulk Container facility sat outside the congested shipping lanes off the Western European sea board.
Carpe Diem Scotland. Build it. They will come.
How ironic would that be? Kinda spooky I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GI0zANA3S4
In 1800 there were an estimated 60 million Bison in the US all farting their way through a mini ice age.
Ireland wants to get rid of its 200 000 cows because … experts say.
Surprised our halfwits haven’t followed suit yet.
Geri says:
8 November, 2023 at 3:26 pm
Red
‘What happened to the ceasefire Gaza had up till October 7th?’
Has it been confirmed yet it was them who broke it?
Seems awfully suspicious.
Geri, I’m not a Police Scotland detective but those 5,000 missiles whooshing out of Gaza could be a clue.
Hamas wanted war, waged war, and got war.
Wars don’t stop just because the wee guy ran out of rockets and fancies a break to rearm or because his co-religionists in other countries are raging.
That’s why God told us not to kill.
Johnlm says:
8 November, 2023 at 4:25 pm
In 1800 there were an estimated 60 million Bison in the US all farting their way through a mini ice age.
Ireland wants to get rid of its 200 000 cows because … experts say.
Surprised our halfwits haven’t followed suit yet.
The Scottish Parliament is full of useless cows.
A reminder of the HAMAS rationale.
Quote
«Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims»
Now read the rest..
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm
A revised, less aggressively Islamic version, of the above.
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf
@ Johnlm
The thing is cow (and sheep) shit makes great dung manure to re-enrich the soil with nutrients to replenish the land from all the grass growing that the moo moos and bah bahs ate.
No cows or sheep means crop growers will have to rely on BigAgri chemical fertilizers to boost soil nutrients to get decent crop yields.
Think of jobbies as being a significant element in an ecologically sound circular economy. Natch some delicate types on here won’t want to read words like shit, jobby, turd, poop, keich, but the harsh reality is that their food was probably grown in soil containing at least some mammal excrement. It might even have been from a human seeing as they spread that on the fields sometimes.
Musings…
Think we’re going to need to keep the oil flowing just to provide enough petrochemicals for the manufacturing of the ever growing number of plastic wheelie recycling bins!
I’ve got 4 now and another few old ones.
I also still have loads of the previous evolution of bin technology in the form of the round black bins. Collected them from neighbours when the wheelie bins came out. But they are used to capture water off the shed roofs so there is always a supply of water for the veg garden rather than having to use drinkable quality water from the water supply.
Top tip for greenies that is.
TURABDIN – That’s fascinating. It makes you wonder though, for all the vexing that’s going-on here, correctly in my view, why there is almost none of that going-on in KSA? The value of life is viewed differently there and I remember when I worked there, a few days after I arrived a scaffold collapsed and 6 men were killed and I was shocked at how little concern was raised about it.
Musings from Alf Garnett circa 1980 when a carbon footprint was something a coal miner left on the carpet.
Rubbish Bins – Black!
Coal – Black!
Tyres – Black!
Liquorice – Black!
The slow path to not being racist and embracing multiculturalism has at least managed to make the bins all different shades from the Pantone colour chart.
@Republicofscotland says:8 November, 2023 at 1:51 pm
Make yer fecking mind up, eh?
Is it stop the war, or c’moan the Palies?
Cos in one post, you’re chanting both.
And sees fit ah think, RoS. It’s the “c’moan the Palies” eejits that’s turning many off the “stop the war” campaign.
Cos when there’s a shooting war on, it needs both sides to stop the warring if there is to be peace.
@Confused says:8 November, 2023 at 1:01 pm
Good to see your support for our nearest wee, rich Indy neighbour, Norway. I concur 100%.
Any thoughts on their outstanding support for the right side in The War (no, not the latest war, the one before that)?
Head and shoulders above the rest of the world. Per capita, their financial contribution leaving every other country, even the good ol’ USA, in the dust.
Amazing how all that oil money gives them the largesse to come down on the right side of history. Amazing how being rich focuses the national and individual mind when a rapacious, imperial, aggressive, criminal regime starts surging over international borders with the intention of grabbing everything it can reach.
I love Norway, me. Not only are they wee, rich and Indy, but they’re run by grown ups for grown ups as well.
This is another issue that Scotland needs to gen up on. Is the Statement by UK parliament in 2023.
This is their following statement in 2023.
That By ( AGREEING ) to the Union the Scottish Parliament voted for its own Extinction”
A few remaining matters still had to finalised?
Ater the articles were ratified?
This should be our response to that statement,
It was by Agreeing to a union that the Scottish parliament voted for its own extinction, so
1:
it could not ratify the union.
Indeed it did not, Queen Anne “successor” to the throne of England, under the 1707 act of Settlement, The Commissioner the “Duke of Queensbury” did the deed of Ratification,
2:
After the Scottish Parliament extinguish it self by the Agreement.
There were no further few remaining matters that a extinguished Scottish parliament could finalise officially.
If the The UK parliament statement is to be taken as a honest word of integrity with no lies or deceit towards Scotland, its people.and the global world.
Then the treaty of union ended before it began and the Scottish parliament could not go forward as a extinct Scottish parliament to Ratify the treaty of union.
And on a second ocassion we find that Scotlands parliament did not ratify the Treaty of union, but the Duke of Queensbury ratified it.
Other wise it becomes fallacious statement of a union OR treaty.
Some crazy conversations of deceit and lies has fooled Scots that their 1707 Scottish parliament ratified the treaty of union.
That is a big lie.
ONE PERSON The Queen of Englands Commissioner the Duke of Queensbury ratified the Scottish side of the treaty of union.
CAPT YOSSARIAN
Islam does of course value life but the system in practice tends to value the life of a Muslim rather more than that of a non believer. The concept of civil rights, as understood in the Enlightenment influenced West is a novelty. A non Muslim, for example, may not have authority over a Muslim, even in civil matters the West would consider secular. Effectively there is no such area as the secular. The region is not known as the «Dar al islam» for nothing.
The historico-cultural reasons for all this are far too complex for a comment box but the sands of «arabophone» regions, Islamic Iran and central Asia have, as a wise old relative of mine said, absorbed more blood than might fill an ocean and yet you cannot see it.
@TURABDIN says:8 November, 2023 at 6:10 pm
Good post, but I am unhappy that you left sex out of it.
Because when we bring sex into it, we end up with 4 classifications, listed here in decreasing order of privilege:
1) Male believer
2) Female believer
3) Male infidel
4) Female infidel
I will consider arguments over whether I have ranked 2) and 3) correctly, but there is no doubt about the relationship between 1) and 4).
It’s 1) and 4) we should all be concerned about.
Turabdin – All agreed on that. What intrigues me about it though is that the new Muslim powers in the region, and I see those as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, are regarding this as a chess game where they will see what’s left after the killing is over and they will have a hand in deciding what should be done. You obviously know what you are talking about and I am just an observer, but I’m interested. I was there at the time the crane collapsed on the Grand Mosque and they were all obviously Muslims that were killed, over 100No of them, and the authorities did take that seriously, but still not as seriously as we would take it. Interestingly, I’ve spent more than 60 years in Scotland and I haven’t seen a single dead body. I have spent less than 3-years in Saudi Arabia and I saw nine there.
@ James Che
And don’t forget more UK “democracy” in action.
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3361
Aye, the Kingdom of England having a 10 to 1 democratic advantage over the Kingdom of Scotland makes shite likes this bill going through Westminster a joke.
Maybe Xaracen could restate how the democratic will of the two Kingdoms that make up the UK could be expressed so that democratic will and legitimacy can be respected and upheld.
John Main – There’s a place in Riyadh called “chop-chop square” for those you mention.
Sounds like a bit of ignorant stereotyping going on.
“However, as soon as he was out of sight she took off the lid, and out swarmed all the troubles of the world, never to be recaptured.”
Ah, but hope remained in the box, and we have held it ever since, now we need it more than ever.
Red @2.54pm.
“2008 assault on Gaza: EU calls for ceasefire
2014 assault on Gaza: EU calls for ceasefire
2023 assault on Gaza: EU cannot call for a ceasefire
What’s changed? What’s changed is the EU has banked hard right and offered itself up in total vassalage to US interests. Sickening.”
https://nitter.net/ClareDalyMEP/status/1717884720808120580#m
“Islam does of course value life but the system in practice tends to value the life of a Muslim rather more than that of a non believer.”
Turabdin.
Yet when Muhammed was forced to flee Mecca for Medina and Islam began to prosper, and grow, he allowed all to worship their own religions such as Christian and Jew, is not Allah the same god that Jews and Christians worship but only by a different title, and lets not forget the umpteen crusades by the Europeans that spilt much Muslim blood in the sands.
I’m not a Muslim or religious.
Red..
“Geri, I’m not a Police Scotland detective but those 5,000 missiles whooshing out of Gaza could be a clue.”
Aye but who supplied them & who are they working for?
Has no one hit on the oil & gas that was discovered in exactly that area? Dang it – If only the ppl of Gaza wasn’t in the way.
Uncle Sam does love his black gold & he just so happens to have dibbs on a colonial neighbour that can evacuate the riff raff. They’ve got to get their hands on that there gold without pesky peasants in the way….
What I find utterly galling about politicians that are not screaming out loud for a ceasefire on Gazan civilians, is that come this Saturday the same hypocritical b*stards will all be lined up out side various memorials in the dis-untied kingdom and in Europe and sporting their Red Poppies whilst remembering the war dead, on what is known as Armistice Day.
Of which the definition is:
(an agreement made by opposing sides in a war to stop fighting for a certain time; a truce)
In other words a f*ckin ceasefire.
Yet these same vile b*stards can’t bring themselves to call for a ceasefire against innocent women and children, when the time comes these politicians MUST be voted out of office they aren’t fit to serve tables in a cafe, never mind serve the public in office.
Though these four should definitely be standing in the dock at the ICC when the dust settles on the massacre in Gaza.
https://nitter.net/SpiritofLenin/status/1722010837504709044#m
I myself have absolutely no doubt that the Israeli government will not be punished or see the inside of a court room, this isn’t the first time an Israeli government has committed war crimes in Gaza or the West Bank and not been held to account.
With so many governments and politicians backing Israel and its slaughter including the USA, it is unlikely that the ICC will do anything meaningful to hold the Israeli government to account. The ICC did once try to hold the US to account on the actions of its troops, but sanctions against ICC personnel saw the ICC back down, in any case the US says it holds the right to invade the ICC, if any American is arrested and appears in the dock, this invasion also includes rescuing allies of other nations that find themselves in the ICC’s dock.
Republic of Scotland @ 19.28
As far as I know, I believe that the majority of Christian faiths are Trinitarian in belief.
Islam, I believe would be entirely monotheistic.
So, whilst mainstream Christianity also is monotheistic, it has belief in a Trinitarian Godhead.
So I doubt (if I’m correct in my understanding of the two positions) that the Christian position would be acceptable to Moslems if the doctrine suggested that Allah is three persons in one.
Similarly for the Jew, for whom one of the central tenents of faith is, “Hear oh Israel, the Lord thy God is One”.
James Che;
“Everyone by now knows that through my research into ancient records from English history, I have arrived at a believe that the Country of Scotland, and separately “the People” have not ever been in a union with England.”
and separately “the People”? You appear to be saying that Scotland the country could be in the Union, but not its people? Or vice versa? Really? That was never an option, the very idea is senseless.
Separately, it would make sense if you also researched ancient records from Scottish history, too, if for no other reason than to help counter English bias and give you a handle on the likelihood of English propaganda being present, to implant the suggestion that Scotland had ‘agreed’ England’s authority over Scotland.
“Here is a small example of that ancient guff that unionists wish Scots were kept in the dark about, from Westminster parliament records.
The English union with Scotland is as follows, the (numerical numbers) are important, regards which came first the chicken and egg?
For Queen Anne of Great Britain or Queen Anne of England arranging Commissioners for Scotlands side of a treaty of union……”
Queen Anne was not Queen of Great Britain until after the Union came into effect. Prior to that she was Queen Anne of England or Queen Anne of Scots. Think of these as being two different jobs being done by the same person. Her rights, powers, and responsibilities differ depending which job role she is performing at any one time.
It is for exactly those reasons that she signed the Treaty of Union twice, once each in her two different monarchical capacities.
“12 & 13 Will. 3.c. 2.
The Act of Settlement…….date missing.
An Act For the further limitation of the Crown and better securing the rights and liberties of the Subject
6 Anne, c. 11,
The Union with Scotland Act 1706.
An Act for a union of two kingdoms of Scotland and England.
6 Anne, c.40.
The union with Scotland, ( Amendment ) Act 1707.
An Act for rendering the union of two kingdoms more entire and complete.
6 Anne, c 41. Succession to the Crown Act 1707,
An Act for the Security of Her Majesties person and and the Government and the Succession to the Crown of Great Britain in the protestant line
The Act of Settlement in 1701 was connected to the English bill of rights 1689 in the English parliament Acts through William and Mary, it ensure the protestant Succession to the English throne.
When Queen Anne became monarch of the English throne by Succession. Scotland agreed to the Succession of the Throne of England.”
No, it did not, James, it had no authority to refuse OR agree England’s accession, it was none of their business. The most it could do was agree her succession to Scotland’s throne, which is what it actually did, once she took Scotland’s Coronation Oath, which she did in front of witnesses acceptable to Scotland’s parliament. Once the Scottish parliament received and accepted the letter of that witnessing, she was officially Queen of Scots. Whether she was also Queen of England was up to England alone.
“In between all these Acts from King William and Queen Mary of England’s Throne, there is no Act of Westminster parliament of England that was made or could be made, there is no Ceremony or Crowning to make her Queen of Scotland.”
Indeed, and it would have been unlawful if they made any such attempt. But as they didn’t, what point are you trying to make, here?
“The parliament of England SIMPLY extended the English parliament Act pre- union to Scotland for the Succession of the English throne to Scotland.”
But did they, though? If they did that was presumptuous and unlawful. But Scotland’s parliament DID agree the succession after Queen Anne died; that was a key part of the Treaty, and it was a one off, specifically to have Princess Sophia of Hanover succeed to both thrones. There is nothing in the Treaty to prevent Scotland choosing a different successor to the Scottish throne in the event of another monarch dying without issue, or even choose to become a republic!
And there was no Ceremony or Crowning of Queen Anne of England in Scotland or Scotland even up to her death bed”
Again, so what? The only Scottish legal requirement was the taking of the Scottish Coronation Oath, and she did, as stated above.
“As we can see according to the numerical numbers of the Acts in Westminster parliament the Throne of England Succession of Queen Anne which Scotland agreed to, confirms that she was not Queen of Scotland under the Act of Settlement.
That succession to the throne of England in the protestant line is what Scotland agreed to, nothing more.”
Wrong on both counts, for reasons already given.
Geri,
the USA has been a net exporter of oil for a decade now. It is currently the world’s largest producer of oil, with domestic consumption taking the majority of oil, but there’s enough left over to make it the world’s 5th largest exporter.
The USA doesn’t need oil off Gaza. Nor do the Israelis, as they get oil from the USA and a few Middle Eastern countries.
That’s why nobody is particularly talking about oil off Gaza. It’s irrelevant.
The missiles fired by Hamas are mostly locally manufactured in Gaza to Iranian design.
Fruitella
I’m well aware of oil companies rubbishing efforts.
I’m not against environmental issues.
I’m against kack handed ways of going about it like the Greens have in their wee stint at fame in Holyrood.
I admire ppl like Dan who are self sufficient & can live off grid.
Your problem is an unelectable Green party who went off their own grid & into madness the moment they a whiff of power. They didn’t use it for good. They’ve used it to push evil & experimenting on weans while doping them in pedo drugs to fry their insides IS evil.
You’re in the same situation as the SNP. No hope of recovery in the next general election & I very much doubt it’ll be little ole me wot done it!
The whole world sees it – fae German Greens to the English ones – they’ve all went nuts on the kool aid or was it the lure of big pharma pay cheques? Cause there are rumours….
Dan said;
“Aye, the Kingdom of England having a 10 to 1 democratic advantage over the Kingdom of Scotland makes shite likes this bill going through Westminster a joke.
Maybe Xaracen could restate how the democratic will of the two Kingdoms that make up the UK could be expressed so that democratic will and legitimacy can be respected and upheld.”
I’ve done that several times already, Dan.
The simple answer is dual majority voting in the House of Commons. The numbers of MPs don’t need to change, we only need to change the way their votes are counted.
All of Scotland’s MP votes should be counted and evaluated to come up with an exclusively Scottish Kingdom’s Yes or No, using simple majority rules. The same is done for the remaining MPs who between them represent the Kingdom of England, which, as far as the Treaty is concerned, includes England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Their votes are also counted and evaluated to come up with an exclusively English Kingdom’s Yes or No, using simple majority rules.
The two results are then also evaluated using simple majority rules. With only two results, the only possible majorities are two Yes votes, or two No votes.
If both results are Yes, the matter voted on passes, otherwise it fails.
This way, neither partner kingdom can pass any matter on their own, which is fully right and proper since neither partner’s MPs represent the Union on their own, and neither partner can exert any authority over the other, since neither partner kingdom HAS any authority over the other, precisely because both partner kingdoms are equally sovereign because sovereignty is absolute.
The Treaty didn’t remove, transfer or demote the sovereignty of either partner, because neither of its two Principals had enough authority to impose that on the other.
Democratic principles of fairness are met because both partners votes are each separately evaluated on a simple majority rule basis, and then the two results are also evaluated on a simple majority rule basis, where, with only two partners there are only two votes, and two is the only possible majority. This democratic model thus properly reflects the true constitutional structure of the Union. The old one never did.
Democracy is solidly and fairly applied, and the two sovereignties are each fully respected, and the Union’s governance is agreed jointly as was its purpose all along.
Basically, voting this way makes the Union’s MPs vote at the level of the two sovereign partners who actually founded the Union, instead of at the level of 650 non-sovereign constituencies which didn’t.
The English establishment will hate it since it will strip their unwarranted dominance away from them. I hope it hurts!
It seems that almost anything that jars with the Israeli’s and their foreign apologist politicians and media, is classed as anti-Semitic, such as the phrase From the River to the Sea.
However its little know that that phrase or close enough is a founding principle of Netanyahu’s Lukid party
Here it is.
“There is nothing scrupulous or forensic about the fixation on the implications of the phrase from the river to the sea. Because if that was the case, the gaze of the media would be firmly planted elsewhere: at the founding charter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud party.
It specifies that “between the sea and Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” ”
https://www.declassifieduk.org/why-do-uk-media-insist-palestinians-condemn-hamas-but-not-that-israelis-condemn-israel/
I’ve checked out the border of Jordan, and the river that is spoken of runs parallel with the border of Israel.
I still think this 3 min Monty Python clip encapsulates so precisely the issues so many humans on this planet have to endure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng
@ Xaracen
Cheers for restating that. Post now bookmarked for future reference and sharing.
Israel produces 70% of its energy needs from the Leviathan gas field.
It has found oil in the occupied Golan Heights and given the licence to Genie Oil and Gas which has a load of US politicians on the board.
@Republicofscotland says:8 November, 2023 at 7:28 pm
I’m not … religious
Oh yes you are!
A religion is any set of beliefs not backed up by evidence. Religion is faith-based, not evidence based.
You have demonstrated by hundreds of posts, on here and elsewhere, that evidence, reasoning or logic are never allowed to impact on your faith-based belief system.
You’re as religious as the most swivel-eyed, genuflecting loon. And you have the moral self-righteousness to go with it.
@Johnlm says:8 November, 2023 at 7:00 pm
Sounds like a bit of ignorant stereotyping going on
Don’t clutch your string of pearls too hard, John, you might snap them. Nobody’s calling for anybody to be made into a bar of soap on this thread.
Still, the night is young, eh?
Israhel produces 70% of its energy needs from the Leviathan gas field.
It has found oil in the occupied Golan Heights and given the licence to Genie Oil and Gas which has a load of US politicians on the board.
The US needs control of foreign oil to shore up their dollar.
Great post Xaracen
If I could ask something please…
‘There is nothing in the Treaty to prevent Scotland choosing a different successor to the Scottish throne in the event of another monarch dying without issue, or even choose to become a republic!’
I thought it said Scotland would accept the English monarch **& all their successors** for ever & ever & ever, amen?
Johnlm
Also offshore of the Gaza strip too that Israel has just granted licences to.
Now it makes more sense when the EU & the USA don’t push for a ceasefire..
https://www.planetcritical.com/p/everybody-wants-gazas-gas
@republicofscotland –
Good on you for continuing to raise basic humanity in here. Not easy when there’s a coalition of ’77-compatible armchair theologians and ‘pragmatic’ types prepared to justify what’s happening.
Unbelievable as it may seem, that’s what they’re doing, ever so carefully. Bleating ‘Hamas! Hamas!’ every five seconds across every UK-approved channel. Debunked stories repeated ad-nauseum nonetheless. No serious critique of the gaping holes in the narrative. (It’s impossible for a cat to move outside Gaza without being monitored.)
Same-old same-old, and aye, maybe people ‘hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest’ but the fact that some appear able to view imagery straight from Hell, then parrot Starmer/Thornberry et al would be beyond belief if it hadn’t already happened.
Israel is losing the propaganda war because so many people are making full use of social media as well as peaceful rallies/marches/vigils etc. It’s losing because it’s relying on the same dog-eared ‘false flag’ playbook that the US has been using for the past century or more. It’s not so much that they think we’re all daft – it’s the fact that they know no-one can do a thing to stop them.
Back during the euphemistically-named Troubles (as if it was nothing more than a monthly inconvenience) both ‘sides’ were doing some horrific things to each other. Sometimes it was folk on the same side. Those ‘troubles’ didn’t quite take off in Glasgow. The Derry Treanor pub bomb was probably the closest it got but anyone alive at that time will remember the constant background fear, the non-stop demonisation of anyone/anything connected to the IRA. It was incessant.
I don’t have any privileged knowledge. I was in a catholic family but can’t recall ever being afraid to go to school, never had any real problems with the lads who went to the ‘proddy’ school around the corner. We weren’t allowed out to play when the big marches were taking hours to make their way along Battlefield Rd but otherwise we enjoyed ‘normal’ childhood. Our parents didn’t have to Sharpie our names on our arms before we left the house in case they had to collect bits of us in the wake of a bombing.
There must’ve been many IRA people – real, active members – in and around Glasgow during that time. It was known that British intelligence was really active in specific areas e.g. the grottier parts of Govanhill. There would’ve been IRA ‘safe houses’ there and in other areas of Glasgow.
At the height of that war (which is what it was and should always have been called), would it have been justifiable for the RAF to bomb Glasgow night and day for a month solid in the hope of perhaps killing a few dozen IRA people?
Anyone still sitting on the fence or even attempting to rationalise/justify blatant genocide can fuck right off. Arguing about constitutional issues/historical wrongs is one thing – defending genocidal maniacs is another and there’s no place for it, on Wings or anywhere else.
Rant over. Goodnight.
🙁
Geri
The Ben Gurion Canal project seems to be back on the table.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231105-an-alternative-to-the-suez-canal-is-central-to-israels-genocide-of-the-palestinians/
Sven @7.54pm.
Thank You Sven, I do believe you are correct on that matter, however as you said, Islam is a monotheistic religion. It manifested considerable tolerance towards non-Muslims. The Quran commanded Muslims to protect people of the book, that is Jews and Christians, in practice this protection was even extended to the Zoroastrians of Iran and the Hindus of the Indian subcontinent.
Forced conversions played a very small part in the Arab Conquests, and for many years the majority of inhabitants in the Islamic Empire were non-Muslims know as Dhimmis.
One of the main reasons that the Arabs didn’t force conversions in greater numbers than they did, in the earlier years of Islam is that Dhimmis, had to pay a tax (Jizyah) above that of Muslims, which brought great revenue to the coffers of the ruling administration.
Sven I would like to add that Monophysites believed Christ only had one nature, this included the Egyptian Coptic church, the Armenian church in Anatolia and part of Syria.
ASS
I said oil & GAS
It’s the Gas they want. Read the link I provided.
There’s $billions worth of it & as usual they will stop at nothing to get to it even tho not a drop of it belongs to either of them. (USA or Israel)
& Spare me the bullshit USA doesn’t need it. Their need for greed & control. That’s bullying currency by the coloniser.
Johnlm
Cheers for the link. I’ll take a look.
Just reading the headline I think someone mentioned that above ( sorry forgot who or maybe it was you?)
Ta
Ian B .
Thanks for expressing so eloquently my own perception of the * situation * .
I’ve not been engaging that much – not because I’m in any moral quandary about where to apportion ultimate blame for the latest horror show , but because the impotent rage generated by observing the same servile , uncritical consumption and regurgitating of blatantly dishonest narratives by every Western Political/MSM source as we’ve witnessed recently with * Covid * , Ukraine and now Gaza is not good for my equilibrium – it ” does ma heid in ” .
If anyone thinks what’s happening – right now – in Gaza is in ANY way defensible , they are in the company of demons
Geri,
spare me the poorly-thought out conspiracy theories. And spare yourself the stress of putting a whole lifetime’s worth of anger into everything before you even hit the age of puberty. You’ll do yourself a mischief.
Is the UN into conspiracy theories now ya muppet?
“The total oil and gas reserves were valued at a staggering $524 billion in 2019. But Israel does not have sole legal entitlement to the $524 billion, according to a UN report published in the same year. Not only is some of the $524 billion sourced from within the Occupied Territory of Palestine, much of the rest sits outside national borders in the deep sea, and thus should be shared with all relevant parties. The report questions the national right to these resources given they took millions of years to form—and that Palestinians occupied the whole territory until Israel’s recent formal creation.”
There is also the USA & Israeli ***energy & co-operation agreement***
& The UN reports saying it doesn’t belong to them. It belongs to Palestinians & others in the region.
Take yer head out yer arse & stop with yer rabid personal attacks.
Why does on here take foreeeeeeeever to post?
It’s more torturous than reading ASS on here…
Isn’t the 77th brigade a man down at the legion?
Geri,
calm down.
There’s only one way this is going to go. The Gazans, all 2.3 million of them, are going to be shoved across the border into Egypt, at which point the UN and Egypt have got bigger things to worry about than 300 million year old oil 2 miles down under the seabed. Nobody is going to invest in offshore infrastructure when either Egypt or Israel can take it out with missile attacks overnight, so it’s going to stay there.
Don’t you worry about Israel. It will be fine. And nobody at all in the Arab world, or Israel, gives a damn about the Gazans.
The murderous Israeli bastards have a stranglehold over Palestine, the same exact same way the English bastards have a stranglehold over Scotland.
Israel and England control every aspect of every day life in both Palestine and Scotland respectively.
Fuck Israel.
Fuck England.
And the Army lovers can stick their English Army poppies right up their English Army arses.
Any Scot who signs up for the English Army is going to be used as cannon fodder.
It’s been so since 1707.
Fuckin wise up!!!
Tell the English they can fight their own Fuckin battles.
Any Scot who has been stupid enough to sign up for the English Army,,and actually believes the patronising bullshit they come away with,,,that you Scots have the best fighting regiments in the world,,,,needs his fuckin head checked out.
Don’t you know when someone is coming the cunt?
So much inchoate hatred among some of the comments.
“In Flanders Fields” is the poem widely associated with poppies and annual Remembrance. Written by a Canadian surgeon and artist, John McCrae, a man defined by an adult lifetime of service to his fellow man. His family name gives a clue as to his origins. His origins were in Balmaghie in Kirkcudbrightshire. A Scot by birth.
In only just over 100 years, some in Scotland have gone from creating men of humanity and compassion, intelligence and vision, to men who don’t understand anything at all and who want symbolic paper flowers to be stuffed up backsides. There’s not much compassion, intelligence or vision in their thoughts.
Ian B @ 9.33
Thanks for that . You eloquently expressed my own view on the * situation * – verbatim .
I wrote a longer response to your post last night but it’s fallen into the 3rd Circle of Moderation , never to emerge .
Condensed into one sentence ……if anyone thinks the current horror show is in ANY way justifiable , they are in the company of demons
Totally incompetent First World War English Army upper class Generals should have been charged with mass murder.
They weren’t any better in tge Second World War.
Russia and America defeated Germany and Japan,,,the irrelevant English Army were deliberately kept in the dark by the two major powers, because they were fuckin useless.
Then there was the First World War poet Wilfrid Owen who quoted what he called ‘the famous Latin tag’ that is was sweet and fitting to die for your country. He knew only too well the horrors of war and spent time at Craiglockhart hospital near Edinburgh in a unit for officers with PTSD (shell-shock).
Owen said “all a poet can do today is warn” and he certainly did that before being sent back to the Front where he was killed in the final days of the war. You have to wonder whether his poems would ever have seen the light of day had he been writing now.
“Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” – is it, aye?
Geri said;
“I thought it said Scotland would accept the English monarch **& all their successors** for ever & ever & ever, amen?”
Yes, all their successors, but that’s automatic anyway if the succession is clear, it’s when it isn’t, as happened when Queen Anne died childless, that the problem arises. I don’t see anything in the Treaty that covers that situation in the future, that the choice of an alternate successor would be England’s alone. In effect it would be for the UK parliament to choose or at least ‘affirm’ a successor if there was more than one option, and Scotland should have a real say in that.
It also follows that as the Scots are sovereign, they always had the option of rejecting a given monarch. They are famous for that!
Republicofscotland says:
8 November, 2023 at 9:56 pm
Sven @7.54pm.
Thank You Sven, I do believe you are correct on that matter, however as you said, Islam is a monotheistic religion. It manifested considerable tolerance towards non-Muslims
Republic of Wishful Thinking.
Ian B, exactly so . Truth is never a rant, thanks for voicing/writing it.
‘By deceit shall ye make war’
First, got to stir up your population into a fever, perhaps by getting the press to make up stuff or maybe stage an event.
Second, once the fighting starts, abandon any responsibility to report the truth to the population. (Unless it’s something bad the other side did)
Works ok when there’s trust in government.
Now trust is gone.
They just can’t raise the temperature anymore.
Tom, 5.46am ‘the best fighting regiments in the world’
Aye, the best cannon fodder in the world, their blood has fertilised many a foreign field, for what? Absolutely nothing.
Tom 4.32am. The only thing in palestines favour is they dont have people living amongst them claiming to be palestinians, but swearing allegiance to israel.
@ Johnlm
Third : make sure you have the schoolyard bully/thug backing you all the way
Xaracen
Thanks for your reply.
I always bump into that nonsense form unionists on Twitter. That Scotland signed away her sovereignty forever & can never leave the Union.
Die Damen aus der Hölle
Sturgeon, Slater, Roddick, Chapman, Somerville, Beth, Robison, Bryson
We will remember them
SteepBrae, re Wilfred Owen.
For a start, Owen prefaced that line with “that old lie”.
Secondly, as all soldiers know, the trick is to make the the other bugger die for his country. Not to do the dieing yourself.
This, https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/externalising-our-hatreds, is worth a read for the description at the start of the elites in the West and how they can be viewed as belonging to the Inner and Outer party of Orwell’s 1984.
This is the story across the Western world and provides the backdrop in which politics and political parties operate. Since parties are creatures of their environment (surprise, surprise) it is then you start to realise the SNP is simply a reflection of the professional middle classes in Scotland, who have one eye on London and one eye on whatever happens in the USA, because mainstream and social media.
So for everyone who wants to see the demise of the SNP, what exactly do you think will replace it? From what cloth will this party be made? For everyone wanting a return to fairness and justice, you need to open your eyes. Where is this wellspring of change going to come from? Sure the need is there but the desire seems to be missing. Take a look at the state of the West – that huge environment that Scotland sits in and is an integral part of. An environment in which the forces external to this country are immense. What volume of change is going to be required before we are able to fix the mess we’re in and offer people a way of bettering themselves and their families. The answer is a lot. A hell of a lot. For this journey a single step is progress but it’s worth recognising that the destination is a lot further away than the end of the street.
@ Stuart Mackay .
Spot-on . I’ve been saying as much for a while now .
The * forces * acting to maintain the awful socio/political state of affairs are so insidious , and so powerful , I seriously doubt any Political Party in Scotland – or anywhere else – has any chance of countering them .
This is also why I’m critical of ALBA ..eg .. they seem to be as lacking in any penetrating overview/insight into who/what is doing the damage as all the rest of them . If they thinking getting a few of the number into WH/Holyrood is going to make significant differences they’re wrong .
Just about to go out to work , will read the article you linked later .
Tom
‘Don’t you know when someone is coming the cunt?’
Exactly. It’s patronising bullshit. Joe Glenton has the poppy bullshit bang to rights.
Robert Hughes
‘Condensed into one sentence ……if anyone thinks the current horror show is in ANY way justifiable , they are in the company of demons’
Exactly right. It’s satanic what they are doing & have been doing for years & getting away with it which, as we all know, only emboldens them further.
They should never have been given the land in the first place. England should’ve gave them a bit of England if they felt so generous or a bit of America or Australia.
The Walter Mitty areshole on here thinking an entire population should just move FFS! That’s their mindset. It’s sickening. Yet those arseholes will demand respect on Sunday for the fallen completely obviously it was against aresholes like them.
As the only contributor to Wings whose extended family and ancestors lived, and still live, in the «dar al islam» it is advisable before commenting to check facts at source not according to the many apologists for Islam…tolerant, religion of peace, the glories of al Andalus etc.
Fact. Being a non Muslim in the «dar» carries with it the likelihood of some form of public life «constraint» and the variable requirement to pay the canonical jizya and kaharaj taxes or modern equivalent.
The Qur’an and ahadith are quite specific on the status of those who are «kuffaar», non believers in Islam and the teachings of the Prophet. Be suspicious of them.
Think Scotland in the days when being Catholic resulted in closed doors of opportunity.
Btw. Try to get a church built in Egypt and count the decades of waiting for approval, if actually granted.
A Scot Abroad 9.05am
Yes, that was the point of the poem. The irony obviously lost on you.
He also wrote, “I am the enemy you killed, my friend”.
Your comment could not be further removed from Owen’s meaning.
Yeah nobody believes that.
Really Tom.
You do know that Blackadder is fiction don’t you Tom.
Tom. Look at me Tom.
Tom … Tom
You OK Tom?
Tom … Tom … Tom…
Ah he’s sleeping now.
Good boy, Tom.
Mike d 8:49
Spot on..
No wonder treachery got ppl shot. They’re a feaking weapon..
A Scot Abroad says: 9:05 am
“Secondly, as all soldiers know, the trick is to make the the other bugger die for his country. Not to do the dieing yourself.”
That’s a simplistic and callous take on the sanctity of life though. By the time diplomacy has failed to the point folk start fighting, then any “fairness” in how someone kills another is to all intents and purposes of out the window.
It’s not like some sort of Queensberry rules equivalent are adhered to.
Or maybe the soldier I knew that got his life clipped short by a sniper just didn’t know all those tricks; Tricks that one presumes those in positions of command should have taught and instilled in those on the frontline.
That’s from a different poem, isn’t it?
Tom.
The Scottish Highlanders after they found out that many of their lands were replaced by sheep and their families scattered to the four winds, told the British military high command, who cried out (where are the Highlanders when they needed them in battle) that they should get the sheep to fight for them.
As for the poppy the Red on is far too politicised these day, the White Peace poppy is a better option, I think, if one feels they must wear one.
You are correct that no Scots should go and fight for London’s interests, in reality World War One was a war between Queen Victoria’s offspring.
As for Scottish casualties in World War One, a Scottish family the Tocher family from Aberdeen lost five sons/brothers in the war.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2023/11/09/a-hugely-important-article-from-prof-alf-baird/
Humza Yousaf under fire again he’s accused of misleading parliament.
“Humza Yousaf said last week his government was asked for WhatsApp group messages relating to the pandemic in September.
But his deputy Shona Robison has now said they were asked by the Inquiry in February for information including requests for WhatsApps messages relating to the pandemic response.”
Meanwhile Louise Slorance, whose late husband Andrew helped coordinate the Scottish governments Covid Response, says that the Covid Inquiry should check her late husbands laptop, Mrs Slorance say it may hold key information for the Covid Inquiry.
Alf Baird
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2023/11/09/a-hugely-important-article-from-prof-alf-baird/
I do not have time to respond in depth to all your comment until after our hospital appoint for my spouse today, until our return
So to be brief
You say the only requirement for Queen Anne to become Queen of Scotland was by a “oath” made- to- Scotland in the kingdom of England witnessed in England and then a LETTER was sent to the parliament of Scotland to say that the Now she is Queen of Scotland.
Evidence of “the” letter would be of great value in your records.
The name of those whom “Witnessed” queen Anne of England in England, taken the Scottish Oath of Scotland, in England would also be appropriate.
Were the Witnesses Queen Anne of England’s Commissioners?
This ceremony of the “Oath ” taken to Scotland, is not actual a proven fact anywhere. Other than by a supposed letter sent to the Scottish parliament from England after the supposed event had taken place in England,
As far as Everyone is aware, a Coronation, and investiture, an annointing along with the “Oath” has always been the usual acceptable method of Making a Monarch king or Queen in Scotland of Scotland.
It is observant to make note that no monarch of britain has ever been Crowned in the Scottish regalia,in Scotland in a full ceremony since king Charles 11.
It is also observant to note that there is still the requirement to hold a separate taking of Oath to Scots in Scotland than from the rest of England and its dominions,
Perhaps to be the full legal monarch of Scots it still requires a Coronation, a Coronation in full in the kingdom of Scotland.
Which has not been carried out since king Charles 11.
Queen Anne Vetoed and Skipped this process and all monarchs following her taking the full coronation of England.
Have to act differently in the separate kingdom of Scotland.
Xaracen.
It is blind faith that leads you to believing that England over saw the Oath to Scotland being taking by the Queen of England and that made her Queen of Scotland automatically,
I require Evidence.
Other wise it is the cry of a yoon.
TURABDIN says:
As we know, Westerners are often dangerously naive about other cultures. White girls who think it’s safe to go backpacking in the Middle East or walking alone through Glasgow at night. Complacent middle class people who think refugees will be their friends, that kind of mentality. Silly people. Soft people. Often people who end up victims as a result of their childlike innocence.
RepublicofScotland is convinced that Jaffar from Aladdin must be a good guy, because he said he is. He is also convinced the Israelis are committing genocide, because Hamas says they are.
We need to stop being so gullible and keep an eye out for that magical talking gold bunny rabbit Humza told us about.
With regard to oil fields, one has been found off of the coast of Cyprus. Turkey is aggressively claiming it and at the same time flooding Greek Cyprus with migrants, not the Turkish North Cyprus but flooding Greek southern Cyprus with people passing through Turkey on route to the West. Anyone believing that Turkey is looking for a vast amount of them to stay in Greek Cyprus and breed the natives out of existence would be a cynic. Greek Cyprus also has another oil field which is disputed by Israel which wants a chunk of it.
https://archive.ph/Q4qsr
https://archive.ph/Al4Of
What’s this? ‘Blimp’ posting as ‘Tom’ and having conversations with himself? [Big LOLZ]
He’s been on the night nurse again.
RED
A very quick family history.
A great aunt married an Egyptian Muslim man, converted to Islam and had six children.
Things turned a bit sour, she managed to get a divorce, reverted to her birth religion and ended her days in a Greek Catholic convent in Alexandria. Reverting to Catholicism made her a marked woman in certain uptight quarters but most were sympathetic and indulgent at the time.
I have many Muslim relations…of such is the cultural mashup in parts of the so called ME.
It pays to be fairly laid back in such matters, as most normally are, inshallah.
Republic 10:07
The Irish did better.
They turned the gun.
They returned to a famine & their families burnt off their lands.
They’d the right idea. Fuck this shit.
The Highlanders were a snivelling lot.
On remembrance Sunday remember they’d happily turn the gun on their fellow man to do London’s bidding.
Scotland needs it’s own army. Answerable to Scots & ONLY Scots.
Ian Brotherhood, at 10:21,
for once, I agree with Alf Baird. I told him of my agreement a couple of days ago: the numbers are reasonably easy to work through, and they are what they are.
Where we still differ is that some see the numbers as a bad thing for Scots, some as a good thing for Scotland. Note I use Scots and Scotland as distinct words.
I see the numbers as good for Scotland. While it’s always bittersweet, at best, there’s no doubt that life moves forward, not in reverse. Ossifying Scots into their ethnic past isn’t going to put bread on the table for the future.
TURABDIN says: It pays to be fairly laid back in such matters, as most normally are, inshallah.
Wise as serpents, but peaceful as doves we should be, Turabdin.
If we’re not wise, we can’t have peace. Peace does not mean submission.
Geri says:
9 November, 2023 at 11:17 am
Republic 10:07
The Irish did better.
Much good it did them Geri.
They couldn’t even keep Dublin Irish, and they’re owned by the Germans and the Americans. De latest Big Oidea of the Irish government is to ban agriculture (!!!)
A Province Once Again.
“The Highlanders were a snivelling lot.”
I’m afraid I can’t agree with you Geri on that one, the Highlanders put life and limb on the line for Scotland, when Prince Charles Edward Stuart landed at Loch nan Uamh the Highlanders rallied to his banner in the most part not because they backed his claim to the throne of the dis-united kingdom, no its was more to do with ridding Scotland of the yoke of the union.
Its says much about them (Highlanders) that the last major battle in the dis-united kingdom was fought mainly by the Highlanders to rid Scotland of London control.
Many Highlanders basket handled swords used to be on display in Glasgow’s Art Gallery and Museum, they were inscribed with the words freedom and independence, I saw them as child before they were removed.
If anything back then it was the Central Belts Scots that sold the jerseys out.
Geri at 11:17,
I’ll bet that you put an entry and a flag into a database in Cheltenham with that post.
Jeezo the FM Humza Yousaf being extremely evasive when asked will the Covid Inquiry receive information requested by them from the Scottish Government on the 13th and 14th of August this year.
Yousaf now saying that his law officers need to comb through the information requested before they can be, or if they will be unredacted.
Republic
Apologies. I should’ve been clearer. I meant on returning from WW1. Rather than cry about the sheep they should’ve turned the gun & followed the Irish out the door. It was a wake up call for many after the war & upstairs, downstairs was never the same again. Scots should’ve seized the day..
ASS Who gives a fuck? The English don’t rule us. They have no authority here. None.
Scotland is in a voluntary union. That means she has every right to be on an equal footing in EVERYTHING including her defense.
Equal parliamentary votes.
Equal military.
Equal police force.
Equal in foreign policy.
Equal on nukes.
Equal on immigration.
It was never a territorial union. England has no claim here.
Suck it up Sunshine & blow it out yer arse.
It was only a trading union with a shared monarch under the direct consent of the Scots. He can fuck off too. He hasn’t asked us.
“Apologies. I should’ve been clearer. I meant on returning from WW1. Rather than cry about the sheep they should’ve turned the gun & followed the Irish out the door.”
Fair enough Geri, but no apology needed, as for the Irish, if I recall correctly the majority of the Irish in what is now the Irish Republic weren’t set on independence, however how the British army treated certain captured Irish prisoners after the Easter Rising, and especially the executions of I think it was sixteen men, including James Connolly who was strapped to a chair to be executed, such was the severity of his wounds that he couldn’t even stand up, this resonated deeply with the Irish public.
On James Connolly some reports claim he was strapped to a chair and executed, others say he was so badly wounded that he was strapped to a stretcher that was stood on its end to give him and upright appearance to then be executed by firing squad, knowing the machinations of the British government, I fear the latter is the correct description of events that took place.
The slaughter by the British Army (Black and Tans) at Croke Park, the first Bloody Sunday in 1920, only added to the utter resentment of British Colonial rule in Ireland.
Geri,
The United Kingdom is governed by politicians who come from across the Union. Sometimes (oftentimes) they are English, but we’ve had Irish (Wellington) and Welsh (Lloyd George), and 7 of the last 57 have been Scotsmen.
Your list starting each sentence with “equal” is made up nonsense. There’s no basis for your assertions.
I suspect that you aren’t actually Scottish at all. You appear to know nothing about Scotland’s past or the union. And with the intellect that you display over hundreds of posts, you clearly aren’t going to be influential in Scotland’s future.
Twelve years ago Alex Salmond was busy pushing Sturgeon and Yousaf into leadership roles in the SNP.
How did that turn out?
“The United Kingdom is governed by politicians who come from across the Union”
Lets not forget one American and one Canadian as well.
I wonder where the murderous Zionist psychopathy began.
Orde Wingate got a DSO for burning Palestinians in 1936.
Got to wonder about the mental damage done to young boys in their private schools, Sandhurst etc.
James Che said;
“Xaracen.
It is blind faith that leads you to believing that England over saw the Oath to Scotland being taking by the Queen of England and that made her Queen of Scotland automatically,
I require Evidence.
Other wise it is the cry of a yoon.”
There was nothing automatic about it. I read the letter, and the Scottish parliament’s response. Both are in the Online Records of the Scottish Parliament;
href=”https://www.rps.ac.uk/trans/1689/3/108″
Unfortunately, the site is currently broken, but if you ‘browse by reign’ and go down to the bottom, click on ‘Queen Anne manuscript’, and expand the ‘1702, 9 June’ and a couple of the ‘+”s, a reference to ‘Letter: from the queen’ can be seen. You won’t be able to open it and read it yet, or any other document, until they fix whatever the problem is.
Hopefully that won’t be long.
“a yoon” Seriously, James? You bloody well know better!
Salmond didn’t push her.
No one in the SNP challenged her.
& It was a far smaller party then too. 52 New MPs only arrived after GE2015.
Kenny should’ve stepped forward. From what I gather through the grapevine no one liked her. Sillers was the only one honest enough to tell it like it was & he was shot down as a crank for his efforts.
Salmond pushed her off the top spot challenge on his return after Swinney. He even admitted that. (A rebels cause) saying
she wasn’t leadership material..
He was right.
Geri.
Are you forgetting that the Scottish parliament was extinguished by (agreeing to the union) and dissolved in 1707.
There is no Scottish parliament in the treaty of union.
It was not ( subsumed) into Great Britain Westminster parliament, it was dissolved.
The Intitute for Government explains quite clearly what happens to a parliament and members of that parliament under “dissolution”
Ian Brotherhood 10.21
re Alf Baird, Dan
Alf’s population projections for indigenous Scots is indeed problematic for independence. What would be yoursuggestions what Scot gov could do to reverse this haemorraging of population?
JohnIm,
Wingate’s slightly odd character wasn’t formed by either school (which he hardly attended), or Sandhurst (which he never went to at all), but rather by his Plymouth Bretheren religious upbringing. He wasn’t allowed to mix with other children apart from his siblings until he was 12. In his 20s, he managed somehow to mash together in his own head the Plymouth Bretheren doctrine with Zionism. It’s an odd mix. Moshe Dayan was trained by him and revered him, and there’s a square in Jerusalem named after him. I didn’t know that last until 5 years ago when doing some business in Israel and that’s where my hotel was.
He was certainly fairly direct and uncompromising in dealing with people he didn’t agree with, including the King’s enemy, to whom he applied the King’s bayonet with great vigour.
Field Marshall Slim believed that his Chindits turned the tide in Burma in 1943, and later in 1946, in captivity, the Japanese commander agreed.
Wingate also used to carry a raw onion on a chain around his neck, and bite into it as a snack. And wear an alarm clock on his wrist. Somewhat eccentric.
Oh & credit where it’s due, Craig Murray.
He had the measure of her too way back in 2016/17.
No one was listening.
Indy was just round the corner even though those two said it definitely wasn’t & there was hee-haw being done but SNP suits on manavoures distancing Indy & grassroots.
Moral of the tale: same old, same old. Don’t shoot the messengers.
MaryB
The United Nations & International law has an answer to that.
It’s the voting franchise.
Only indigenous Scots get to vote.
Every country has a right of protecting itself from being voted out of their own country.
So the answer is simple. We apply international laws on any future referendum vote & have them oversee it too.
James Che
It was dissolved to join one GB parliament on an equal footing.
They started off equal.
45 each If I remember.
Then along the way England added more & more & suddenly now they think they’re the boss.
Geri,
There’s no such “right” as you claim for indigenous voting only within the UN: that’s been the choice of a few places, but it isn’t a right per se.
And the UN is going to completely refuse to get involved in any future IndyRef. Particularly if it is against the wishes of one of the UNSC P5, which could at a stroke simply veto UN monitors.
You need to grow up a bit, and to stop believing your own absolutist nonsense. Writing demands BTL on a commentary website ain’t going to change things in the big bad world.
“NUJ ‘extremely worried’ by Police Scotland questioning journalists”
https://archive.is/o8Kn8
Try asking Stuart Campbell what he went through and Yous will soon realise being asked questions is child’s-play in comparison. Any of Yous ever had your laptops etc “confiscated” for a period of time? Granted, that wasn’t Police Scotland but it still amounts to the same thing, a Police force overstepping the mark and badgering a journalist with the threat of prosecution dangled over his head. And Yes, as far as i know, i think Stuart was a card-carrying NUJ member at the time. Stuart will correct me if i’m wrong on that.
Someone needs reminding that the UK sits in the United Nations as a union lol
Oh dear.
@MaryB (1.41) –
I would tighten up the franchise for a start.
More reams of *balls* from ASA
..and it is a *right*
Or every small country would be full pollutants.
An argument that has already been levelled to Israel with the ruling their *foreign settlers* having no claim on Palestinian land & resources.
Other countries need to man up & enforce it & they will because the problem for them ignoring it is it means they’re next. That’s how bullies operate – they never just stop of their own volition.
Stoker, the world has turned a blind eye to Assuage for years. His only crime was reporting the truth.
Alba enthusiasts would like to pretend that St. Alex Salmond had nothing to do with Sturgeon’s and Yousaf’s rise to power in the SNP.
Historical amnesia is always worth a chuckle.
To borrow a legal phrase, Salmond doesn’t have “clean hands” on this point (and other points as well).
My reply off to moderation.
Jeez. Forget police Scotland with the censorship. It’s alive & well on here too.
the 2021 census results have fallen into my possession, for I can exclusively reveal –
edinburgh is full of fucking english bastards
the borders is full of english fucking bastards
galloway and the highlands is full of english wankers
inverness and orkney, half full of satan’s spawn, aka english bastards
some indigenous aboriginals exist along the deprivation corridor of the M8
and with that info – its (safe enough) time again for another indyref
oh dear … there is just no appetite for independence, the silent postal majority have spoken
maybe we just didn’t make the case to all the SOFT NOES
let’s all have a national conversation about what it means to be scottish and explore how diversity, asylum seekers and housing activists can help us win big when we really go for it in 2050 …
if you are going to be that stupid and that spineless, then you get what you deserve, which is fuckall – go cut your dick off and piss off to the big gay tranny disco
civic nationalism should be buried before it buries us; no political rights unless you live here, were born here and at least one parent born here.
And FGS ban postal voting – there is nothing more designed to facilitate ballot stuffing than mass postal voting; you should need to be in hospital, or a wheelchair with no one to push it.
economic power too often translates into the political; scotland is being bought out from under the scots – this is not the invisible hand of the free market, it is replacement, it is slow war
this is not helping –
https://www.thenational.scot/news/23837271.outer-hebrides-ranked-britains-best-place-retirees/
civic nationalists complain that sttlers coming in never does any harm and look at the multicultural diverse success of israel/palestine, the poster boy for “just gettin along …”
2:52
Nope!
Go & watch it for yourself.
& That was filmed after indyref.
She wasn’t ready for leadership. Direct from the horse’s mouth.
Confused
I’ve been a long advocate of changing the franchise.
The English go daft – they’ve cousins here FFS LOL
& I can Confirm St Andrews is full of them too.
Edinburgh was a given. The gentry moved in a long time ago. It’s London’s 2nd capital.
& It was also a given that Scots weren’t buying all those SNPEEE new hooses either.
You are a bigot, confused.
Like so many on here your only motivation for independence is from your hatred for the English. That is why you fail. Also, why do you and your ilk always compare yourself to the English? That is the greatest confirmation of an inferiority complex.
BTW you can add some more to your figures because I and my family are moving in. Shuffle up!
Geri, at 14:20,
The U.K. is a founding member of the UN as a single entity, not as a union of four equal countries that each need to be consulted on UN matters. The HQ of the UK, as far as the UN is concerned, is No 10 Downing Street. Bute House isn’t mentioned. The UN in New York couldn’t give a monkey’s what people in Edinburgh think, or Cardiff or Belfast. It’s what the U.K. government thinks that’s relevant. And that’s in London.
You really aren’t as thick as mince sometimes, as some believe. No. You are as thick as mince all of the time.
Stuart Mackay @9.06am
Excellent comment, Stuart Mackay and a very interesting link. I’ve just read and found much to agree with. I’ve bookmarked that site for future reference.
The future is already forming in swirling currents of possibilities yet to be realised and as yet, we don’t know what is going to materialise and how it will shape our world. It might well be future shock for our present rulers.
Geri said;
“It was dissolved to join one GB parliament on an equal footing.
They started off equal.
45 each If I remember.
Then along the way England added more & more & suddenly now they think they’re the boss.”
Geri, I responded to a comment of yours on a previous thread where you’d said much the same thing. I get the impression you haven’t seen it.
You’d said;
“It has no business awarding itself endless seats above everyone else. It started with 45 each between Scotland & England in 1707 & in over 300 yrs we’ve increased by 11! LMAO! Now it’s 533 Vs 56.”
And my response was;
It was never 45 MPs each, Geri, it was 45 MPs for Scotland, who joined the existing 513 MPs already at Westminster from the English kingdom.
The current number is 59 out of 650 total, though it’s about to change a little. The non-59 are the MPs of the Kingdom of England.
But actually, it really isn’t about MP numbers in the first place, it’s about who and what they represent, and because Westminster is misusing the wrong numbers in the wrong way for the wrong reasons.
MPs numbers reflect only the size of the populations of the two Kingdoms of the Union, at least nowadays. They do not reflect the relative authorities of the two equally sovereign kingdoms that actually founded the Union in the first place, and Westminster has no business using those numbers as a proxy for authority in a flat majority vote.
In fact, the original MP numbers were based on the supposed tax-raising capacities of the two kingdoms, so using them in a democratic calculation is simply perverse, unless you accept that money doesn’t just talk, it gets to vote as well!
Being equally sovereign means neither kingdom has any formal authority over the other, and the same is therefore true of the two sets of MPs who represent them in the Union’s shared parliament.
The idea that England’s MPs can numerically outvote Scotland’s MPs on any matter of the Union’s governance is based on nothing more than English establishment conceit, and has no constitutional nor democratic validity, because that would require a presumption that Scotland’s MPs are obliged to submit to the majority decisions of a foreign kingdom’s MPs, and that is an obvious nonsense. Scotland’s MPs are not answerable to any foreign country, kingdom or nation, they are answerable only to their own sovereigns.
Scotland owes no obeisance to England or its MPs, and nothing in the Treaty or Acts requires it to, so constitutionally England’s dominance is entirely unwarranted. Even in democratic terms, there is no good reason to take MP numbers as the basis of the voting method to determine the outcomes of debates in the Commons.
Constitutionally the Union is of TWO sovereign kingdoms which negotiated, agreed, signed, and ratified a Treaty. It is not a Union of 558 (now 650) non-sovereign constituencies which didn’t!
Neither kingdom gave up their sovereignty. They just gave up independent governance for joint governance.
The authority of the Union’s parliament derives from the national authorities of its two founder kingdoms, both of them! It did not and does not derive authority from their constituencies, since none of them were involved in the Treaty negotiations, and none of them own any sovereignty.
Democratically, therefore, the only meaningful number of votes in the Union’s parliament is two! One vote per sovereign kingdom, determined by simple majority vote by each of the two sets of MPs that formally represent them. If both votes are Yes, the matter debated may pass, otherwise it must fall.
Any legislation passed by English MP majorities without Scottish MP majority approval are unlawful because England’s MPs cannot and do not represent the Union on their own, and they lack the authority to impose their decisions over Scotland’s MPs, over Scotland itself, and thus over the Union. Any such decisions are unilateral, and thus ultra vires, not having been agreed by the Union’s two partners, and that makes all such legislation fraudulent and invalid.
The union is between Scotland & England.
Remove Scotland & there’s no Union sitting anywhere.
It’s fairly straightforward that even Cameron told during indyref.
We change the voting franchise with immediate effect. Simple.
A commenter with an ax to grind has suggested that UN «does not give a monkey’s» what Edinburgh and Cardiff think. This suggests otherwise.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/declaration-rights-persons-belonging-national-or-ethnic
Admittedly the UN is far from perfect in actioning the principles of the document but the declaration on the rights of minorities, however they are defined, within member states is an indicator of a great deal more than simian indifference.
Fact: The Scots and Welsh are historically, culturally and legally well defined «minorities» within the British state, otherwise what is the BS a Union of?
Turabdin,
One member, one vote. In the case of the U.K., the vote comes from London.
You won’t find any argument from any nation on the planet with a separatist minority. The body that you link to with the fancy declaration is largely ignored within the UN. It’s platitudinous moonshine.
Big boys’ rules.
dasBlimp @ 15.33
Will it console you at all if I promise, on your arrival, just to refer to you as a “fat b***t**d” because that is how you have previously chosen to describe yourself.
And never, ever, as a “fat English b**t**d”.
Feel free to consider me a pleasantly plump, cuddly (not so sovereign) Scot who “disnae ken his mither tongue”, mainly because my mother didn’t speak like Rabbie Burns wrote as she toddled round Whiteinch & Partick.
Turabdin,
ASA fails to realise that his rant about the outside world disregarding Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh is an argument for self determination.
The emotional attachment of the Union as a comfort blanket is not conducive to logical thought or debate.
The same Unionist arguments are aired over and over again, no matter how often they’ve been debunked.
“Throughout its history the United Kingdom and its predecessor states has been involved in a great number of conflicts, many of which were carried out by the Royal Navy. Their forces have invaded, had some control over, or fought conflicts in 171 of the world’s 193 countries, including in current UN member states.”
That’s what it states for the United Kingdom, at number 27, on a list of “countries” that have been in the most wars. LOL! And feckin’ LOL again.
Don’t know if this slideshow link will work but here goes: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/countries-that-were-in-the-most-wars/ss-AA1jEOdD?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=fc53dc576c7c4b06bc06bdd766f8646d&ei=46#image=27
It would appear the only way to rein in Israel and force it around the table to thrash out a two-state solution, post an immediate ceasefire of course on the citizens of Gaza, is for severe sanctions followed by boycotts against all things Israeli.
Those countries that don’t support the slaughter of thousands of innocent women and children in Gaza should begin sanctioning and boycotting Israeli goods, and just because the British government won’t apply sanctions or urge citizens of the dis-united kingdom to stop buying Israeli goods or visiting Israel doesn’t mean you can’t play a small part in forcing a ceasefire at the very least.
Check this site out to see what you should stop purchasing or visiting.
https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide
And here are the Israeli barcodes that you’ll find on products in the shops, the begin 871 or 729 if you see these barcodes put the products back on the shelves and choose another product, in doing so you’ll be doing your bit for the oppressed Palestinian people.
https://nitter.net/davidkersten/status/1722471865737007498#m
@ MaryB
As others have mentioned, the voting franchise is certainly an area that needs to be considered as it’s clear that Scottish demographics are being altered because Scotland does not have full control of all significant and influencing powers which currently reside in Westminster.
But I also think that there should be far less time and money spent on virtue-signalling pish in our Scottish Administration of Devolved Powers in Holyrood, and instead much more time and focus on implementing policies to actually improve the lives of existing Scots living here, and that could be for matters such as businesses and also incentivising young Scots to start a family.
Not a day goes by that I don’t witness the hardship Scottish individuals, families, and businesses are enduring.
The “cost of existing” “crisis” just doesn’t seem to be on the radar of our elected officials. This is something I have mentioned before in that I think the relatively high remuneration packages most of our elected officials are on means they forget, or just don’t have a scooby about the harsh realities other folk have to endure just to get by in life.
Seriously, the likes of airhead Kelly Given might be better fronting a holiday programme for all her life experience instead of being the SNP poster girl. I don’t give a flying fuck what someone looks like, in fact I would be happy never to see a politician’s face again, but instead only the read about the quality of policies they have formulated and prioritise.
I was helping out at a pal’s garage today. The building was bloddy freezing for the several staff that work there. Someone was off ill so I was in to give a hand doing a clutch on a car so that physical graft thankfully generated some heat wrestling with removing the subframe and and heaving the gearbox in and out. Not quite as cosy as some public “servant” sitting in a warm office with the taxpayer paying for the the heating…
Thanks for posting the question though. Please feel free to post more of your own thoughts and input into the various discussions that go on btl.
Both descriptions are accurate and sum me up perfectly Sven. Don’t bother about offending me as I am as thick-skinned as I am fat and have been called far worse 🙂
I just don’t think the anti-English bigotry and bile is worthy of this site and it demeans the hard work it obviously takes to keep it going.
Re my 5.13pm comment, I forgot add these 272 companies and products that support Israel, please do your best to boycott them, every little bit helps.
https://theislamicinformation.com/news/list-of-brands-supporting-israel/
Dan
Zero hours contracts & private landlords.
Who’d dare start a family under those conditions?
Employment law is reserved.
Anything to grow Scotland & alleviate poverty is reserved.
It’s a nonsense only Indy can fix.
DasBlimp
Yer patronising won’t work round these parts.
It’s not bigotry & bile. England has its own franchise that’s much worse. No EU citizens for a start.
They’re more than happy to remove voters – look at Brexit ref.
Or even General Elections.
You didn’t think this through did you?
Breastplate,
Should the UN pay attention to Dallas over Washington DC? To Edmonton over Ottawa, to Perth over Canberra? To Cape Town over Pretoria? To Yekaterinburg over Moscow? To Heidelberg over Bonn? To Barcelona over Madrid?
No. All examples of unions, or federations. We just call ours United. Semantics.
It’s no accident that global organisations deal with capitals, and not regions. Too many minefields if they go down that route.
You too are a bigot, Geri.
Let me tell you a little bit about myself. I have lived and worked in Dubai, Egypt, Qatar, Nigeria and Iraq while I was working in the oil industry. More recently I have lived/worked in China, Australia, Russia and Germany as an IT consultant.
And from all that travel and experience I concluded that amongst all those different cultures, people are very much the same. They carry the same doubts and worries like family, health, job security and they also have the same aspirations.
Unlike you and others here who harbour a narrow-minded and parochial view of the world, I have never waved my fingers at a group of people and said they are ‘xxx’ because they are ‘yyy.’
I am English but I am not a proud Englishman. I do not see any value in being proud about which patch of earth I was born upon. It’s what you make of yourself in life that matters. But you don’t appear to be making anything of yourself at all, except being a stupid screeching foul-mouthed no mark.
But you can change that.
@ Geri
Aye, just as I said, all of the most significant powers to steer Scottish society are controlled by London Rule.
However we do have to look at the limited devolved powers held in Holyrood, and the very significant amounts of money being spent on some really stupid stuff, eg. the extortionate priced ferries, SNIB, DRS / Circularity Scotland, and the niche genderwoowoo groups.
Those hundreds of millions of quids could surely have been better spent in ways that would have genuinely bettered life in Scotland for many more people than the just the small cabal like clique.
Scotland isn’t a region.
It’s a country.
Republic
Cheers for the links.
Geri said: “(The Scottish Parliament) was dissolved to join one GB parliament on an equal footing. They started off equal. 45 each If I remember.”
There was never any intention of equality – the fact that while Scotland did indeed have 45 members of the new GB parliament England had 486 should have made that perfectly plain.
@ Dan 5.23pm Reading this blog every day only depresses and frustrates me more and more , the very fact that we have more intelligent , empathetic , life experienced , sensible, rational, capable commenters and posters than the whole of HR on this site is fu****ng annoying
Could you imagine a political alliance forming a political party consisting of representatives from across the comments boards of WOS ,YOURS FOR SCOTLAND, BARRHEAD BOY , A WEEGIE ,GRUMPY SCOTSMAN and a couple of other sites, we would be independent in no time, we may be at war with WM but the doon hauders jaikets would be on the floor being trampled in the dust
Imagine also that party being led by the no nonsense language expert Stuart Campbell they would be unstoppable
Geri,
the way the franchise is done right now is relatively simple to prove and to administer. Age, nationality, residence.
What some on WoS advocate for an IndyRef is a franchise based on Scots ethnicity. Do you know how that would work in practice? Given that it’s not documented anywhere. It’s not even particularly defined, now that the SNP have moved away from their previous position (2014) of one Scottish grandparent. Who on earth knows who is Scottish for franchise purposes? Certainly nobody in ScotGov.
Rev Stu
I am a wee bit concerned about the content of some of the posts from the racists, bigots and frankly nutters on this site. They are becoming more numerous. I have always been against censorship but……….
You are giving them a platform for their bile. Substitute the word ‘English’ for ‘Paki’ and you will get my drift.
It is clear you are no fan of the SNP/Greens and whilst I have no real idea on where the legislation surrounding Hate Crime currently sits, it would not take too much for some present disgruntled Government Minister to have a word with ‘Plod’ to investigate.
Your site could be closed! Journalists have gone to jail for less.
Please be careful.
@Republicofscotland says:9 November, 2023 at 5:13 pm
Only fair you should give us the barcodes for Palestine.
Not every Sovereign Scot is going to want to be subsidising the manufacture of rockets and manacles for hostages, and the digging of bunker complexes.
Oh, and once again, any ceasefire in a war requires both sides to cease fire. It’s not rocket science (and go on, guess whether a pun is intended).
BBC in a pure anti snp binge tonight nhs operations (uk) huge. Scotland bad also but no figures.
Matheson’s phone bill
Humzas whattsapp
The sno need to pack up and go home now. They are finished
@dasBlimp says:9 November, 2023 at 3:33 pm
I and my family are moving in
Not sure if you are avin a larff, but if you are serious, welcome to Scotland. All decent Scots will hope you find this a great place to live.
And when it’s time for you to vote on Indy, make sure to support Yes only if it will improve the life styles and choices of you and your family, and at the very least, put some more dosh in your wallet.
That is entirely how the silent majority of rational Scots intend to approach the decision too.
It’s going to be decided on whether or not there is a plausible, evidenced, thought through, economic case.
twathater
‘ the very fact that we have more intelligent , empathetic , life experienced , sensible, rational, capable commenters and posters than the whole of HR on this site is fu****ng annoying’.
That did give me a good laugh. Do you include your goodself above or is just me, John Main, dasBlimp and a few others you are referring to?
Matheson, the fanatic who wants to take our cars from us and bragged about it in Holyrood. Make no mistake, this little Napoleon is dangerous.
These companies should be boycotted as well, they have ties to illegal settlement in occupied Palestinian territories, please avoid using them or buying anything from them, hitting Israel and its backers in the pockets appears to be the only real way forward.
“The UN has published a list of companies with business ties to Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories, including the US-based TripAdvisor and Airbnb and the British truck and digger maker JCB.
Scroll down to A/HRC/43/71 to see the list of companies.
“Database of all business enterprises involved in the activities detailed in paragraph 96 of the independent international fact-finding mission to investigate the implications of the Israeli settlements on the civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights of the Palestinian people throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem
Report of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights”
https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ohchr.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FHRBodies%2FHRC%2FRegularSessions%2FSession43%2FDocuments%2FA_HRC_43_71.docx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK
Most of the 112 companies linked to settlements, which are regarded as illegal under international law, were Israeli. The list included 18 international firms, including the London-based online travel agency Opodo and the Netherlands-based Booking.com.
No, I’m not serious, John. I’m happily ensconced on the midlands inland waterways now and I’ve had enough of moving around. I’ve spent most of my life travelling and relocating and I’m fed up with it. But I’m coming to the end of it now (work, I mean and hope :)) I wish I’d thought of it when I was younger (I’m sure I would have loved it) and thanks for the welcome. I know the Scots are good people. Well, the ones I’ve met anyway.
LOL -post of the day-
Chas; “I am a wee bit concerned about the content of some of the posts from the racists, bigots and frankly nutters….”
Aye, ASA, Yoona, Main, Blimp and of course your very good self.
John Main says:
8 November, 2023 at 7:13 am
“So plenty of eejits will believe the story. And I’m one of them.”
RoS,
thanks for the reminder re Israeli goods.
I’ve just purchased an “I stand with Israel” leather bound notebook from Amazon. I needed a new notebook, and I suspect that this one is nothing beyond the usual. But the marketing info is that it comes from a Kibbutz which has a printing press, and the proceeds help run the Kibbutz.
Cheers. I’ll look to put a few more purchases towards Israel if I can. Every little helps.
@dasBlimp says:9 November, 2023 at 7:09 pm
Oh well, that’s a shame.
As you know, our pretendy FM, squatting over us all, was put in place by a flawed and fraudulent process. But just about everybody in Scotland, from the great and the good troughing it in HR, down to the ranters pouring out anti-English bile, like to pretend that travesty to our proud nation’s honour never happened.
So HY is being given free and unchallenged license to dilute our population with a million or so (or is it two million – nobody seems to know or care?) brand new Scots.
Given a choice between bringing in fat bastards like you, or the kinds of economic basket cases HY undoubtedly has in mind, it’s a no brainer.
C’moan the blimps!
@Republicofscotland says:9 November, 2023 at 7:09 pm
Whew! Thanks for the warning.
I was planning ordering half a dozen JCB’s tomorrow, and making down payments on 10 flats next week. To be let out on AirBnb, with reviews on TripAdvisor.
But now I won’t.
Haha, I’m not being serious, but then neither are you. If you were, you would have a list of the Iranian enterprises we should all be boycotting too.
It needs saying over and over – if anybody wants a cease fire, then both sides have to commit to it. If anybody wants to put pressure on the belligerents fighting the war, then put pressure on both sides.
Remember Israel is not a stand alone state, it is heavily funded by the US along with EU and UK funding, reduced trade will put pressure on Israel and its backers.
What also must be done especially in the dis-united kingdom and the EU is that those politicians that have backed Israel must be voted out of office when the time comes. EU citizens will probably do the same in their respective countries, EU officials such as Ursula von der Leyen must also be removed from office.
The British government and indeed the entire Westminster parliament, albeit the exception of 90 MPs who backed a ceasefire, has shown what I can only describe as an evil facet that I never thought possible when it comes to not backing a ceasefire on women and children in Gaza, many European governments have also let the mask slip including the EU’s two big guns France and Germany.
“The absence of many workers from their jobs due to the ongoing war with the Hamas terror group has been costing the Israeli economy an estimated NIS 2.3 billon ($600 million) per week, or about 6 percent of GDP, according to a research report by the Bank of Israel.
The report measures the weekly cost in the first three weeks of the war, which broke out on October 7, and attributes the drop in labor supply to the massive mobilization of reserve soldiers, the evacuation of residents in the south and north, and the closure of the education system, making it hard for parents to work.
The cost calculation breaks down into NIS 1.25 billion due to the complete closure of educational institutions, NIS 590 million due to the absence at work of 144,000 evacuated residents from war-affected areas, and about NIS 500 million due to the mobilization of about 360,000 reserve soldiers.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ongoing-war-costing-economy-some-600-million-per-week-bank-of-israel/#:~:text=The%20absence%20of%20many%20workers%20from%20their%20jobs,a%20research%20report%20by%20the%20Bank%20of%20Israel.
@Johnlm says:9 November, 2023 at 7:14 pm
It’s a cauld one, eh John, so how better to spend an evening than to pore over your compendium of John Main posts, obsessively choosing and then rejecting until you find the right one for your purpose. I hope you have a generous measure of the Aldi 3YO single malt to hand, to lighten the labour of the weary hours.
Have you thought about printing my posts on paper strips, then pasting them on a wall like a “murder room” kind of setup you might see on Rebus? You might need a big wall, but then you could step back and survey it all with one glance. And every day, new posts for you to print, cut out, paste, index, catalogue, cross reference, and study for hidden meanings.
Who says your productive life is over? What do they know, eh?
Mind yersel on yon stepladder noo.
Has anybody seen that Tetris film that came out this year?
Directed by an Aberdonian and they filmed in Aberdeen. I heard it’s gid.
The moral of Tetris is that if ye fit in perfectly, ye disappear. Be the awkward nail that sticks oot instead, mo charaid.
Humza says: “Of course the WhatsApp rules from the UK Government were respected at Holyrood, but we just interpreted them too narrowly” Jesus wept! A nightmare! It’s a feckin nursery school!
I’ve been following Scottish politics since before devolution
but it got a bit more interesting when a certain cheeky chappy took down the sign ‘assembly’ and replaced it with ‘Government’. LOL. I believe that an independent Scotland would be a success and that it would be good for Britain as a whole. I don’t have to tell anyone here how bitterly disappointed I was after the 2014 referendum result. It seems that both countries are cursed with really shit politicians but with the double whammy of the SNP and the Tories it’s difficult to see how Scotland can become independent in the next 20 or 30 years. As for England – well we are well and truly f’cked no matter what.
I’m calling for a lasting, permanent cease fire, in which all belligerents cease aggressive, destructive, killing activities.
I’m calling for one side to release all hostages, dead or alive, and/or plausible evidence of their fate, and why their bodies cannot be returned.
I’m calling for one side to cease all West Bank encroachments, vacate Gaza, and return to the territory they occupied on 6th October.
Both sides will see this as “losing”. Alert, neutral observers will know that the mark of a true and fair compromise is one in which neither side gets all that they want.
A cease fire of this nature will permit all of RoS’s “Great Satans”, the US, the EU, the UK, and others, to open the gushing taps of taxpayers money they have already ring fenced for humanitarian aid and rebuilding in Gaza.
Not that you will ever read anything about that in any of RoS’s partisan posts.
@Captain Yossarian 8:27pm
I expected you to be happy just now. Your team is doing well. So did Aberdeen it has to be said. On Humza and the WhatsApp gaffe. He is missing a trick. He self refers to an Independent Inquiry chaired solely by James Hamilton. Worked well for his predecessor. Job done. A gaffe prone Humza will be in the soup every other week. This can’t go on until 2026. Same rationale applies to Sunak. Two Zombie Governments.
@dasBlimp says:9 November, 2023 at 8:28 pm
the double whammy of the SNP and the Tories
Ah well, 5 weeks ago we were looking forwards to Labour reborn, but then as the man said, a week’s a long time in politics.
Everybody predicting the rebuilding of the red wall failed to factor in 24-hour coverage of Labour’s new voters screaming for blood. That must be going down like a lead balloon with the indigenous Brits who used to be three generations Labour and were planning to return to the fold.
So far, however, Starmer’s played a blinder. He knows that if he comes down firmly on one side, then he loses either the traditional white working class voters, or the cohorts of new Labour voters Blair imported in his 3 terms to get the numbers up.
If either bloc deserts him, then the Tories are back in the game. So Starmer just has to hold his nerve and piss off both groups equally.
As you say, though, England is fecked. The dog-wagging tail just grows bigger with every year. And they don’t even like dogs!
HAMAS, whoever they are, offered to return the hostages twice.
They were refused.
It looks like the Hannibal Directive is being followed.
George – It’s called “press” and “counter-press” and we are doing it very well just now. I am intrigued by this Postecoglu guy. They love him down there and when he lost Kane, he was relaxed. He had a different plan. He’s one of these “once in a generation” managers. We had Walter Smith and Celtic had Jock Stein. Good luck to him.
To be honest I think labour are terrified of being in power and who can blame them. Nobody wants to be responsible any more and what a legacy the Tories are handing them? What a lovely place the opposition benches must be, gushing empty promises and flinging easy criticisms and getting handsomely paid along with gold-plated pensions. Just ask the SNP. I’ve washed my hands of the lot of ’em. England no longer belongs to the English and I accept that now. I’ve been watching the screw turning for far too long and it’s only turning in one direction.
@John Main 8:53pm
Yes my bet on 30 plus Labour MPs in Scotland at the next GE is looking decidedly dodgy. That is what happens when a leader is controlled by a sub group within the Party. Aka the SNP and gender woo woo and now Labour. And as Stu has constantly pointed out, it is the failing of the SNP and the Conservatives vote that is driving both elections towards Labour and undeservedly so. I have no idea what Keir Starmer stands for. None of the above should have been my bet.
VAR destroying the beautiful game. Perhaps wings can instigate panel base polling of Scottish football fans.
It might cost a few bob mind you.
But I’d love to know. I want VAR gone and I bet Scotland does too.
@Captain Yossarian 9:20pm
Yeah I would agree with that. I think Clement is also good appointment for your team. He has a calmness and determination about him. Give him time. You are in one final already but Barry Robson is beginning to make Aberdeen tick. Ex Dundee United player I met him once and found him to be a very pleasant young man. And he has matured since then. Should be a good final.
Shame on those ‘regulars’ scratching around to excuse genocide in so many words.
Aye, it’s understood that some of you aren’t ‘real’ people, just following orders.
So, shame on you for following orders and shame on your handlers for issuing them.
It’s tragic, on the 12th anniversary of this place, to see it hosting such inhumane filth.
I can’t be the only one here who has reached the limit of what’s tolerable.
The glaring lack of editorial comment certainly doesn’t help.
Utterly fucking scunnered.
🙁
Here’s an interesting fact.
October 2003. Peter Lawell was hired as chief executive of Celtic Football Club.
Celtic’s last knockout win in European football was against Boavista in the UEFA cup final.
20 years ago.
In that time….Rangers have made 2 European finals.
They’ve even died and gone to hell and back. And crawled out from the grave.
And have still made 2 European finals.
Explain that one to me Peter Lawell?
I can’t stand the Celtic directors. It’s a disgrace. An absolute disgrace. The biscuit tin mentality by the Newton Means Celtic Mafia. Hate the board. I absolutely hate them.
Rangers supporters. Enjoy your win. The Celtic directors. They have destroyed our club.
There’s no excuses. 20 fucking years for a meaningful European win.
And Rangers do it twice. It really is sickening. There’s no excuses.
The Celtic board. Are a disgrace. They keep us in our box. When rangers smash the glass ceiling. With their pish, mediocre footballers. Fucking sickening it really is.
Come on Aberdeen. Aberdeen for the cup. Sheep on fire.
@Ian Brotherhood 9:59pm
Perhaps the real reason you are scunnered is that mainstream Scottish opinion doesn’t agree with your views. We are a canny people and innured to hyperbole. Capable of arriving at our own opinion on these matters. I think broadly speaking Scotland has taken an even hand. It’s a conflict nobody wants. And the humanarian consequences are visible on both sides. Of course if I am wrong I will find out at the local Armistice service on Saturday.
James Che said;
“Xaracen.
It is blind faith that leads you to believing that England over saw the Oath to Scotland being taking by the Queen of England and that made her Queen of Scotland automatically,
I require Evidence.
Other wise it is the cry of a yoon.”
Blind faith, my arse, James!
There was nothing automatic about it. I read the letter, and the Scottish parliament’s response. Both are in the Online Records of the Scottish Parliament;
Records of the Parliaments of Scotland to 1707
Unfortunately, the site is currently broken, but if you ‘browse by reign’ and go down to the bottom, click on ‘Queen Anne manu-script, and expand the ‘1702, 9 June’ and a couple of the ‘+”s, a reference to ‘Letter: from the queen’ can be seen. You won’t be able to open it and read it yet, or any other document, until they fix whatever the problem is.
Hopefully that won’t be long.
“a yoon”
Seriously, James? You disappoint me! You bloody well know better!
@Ian Brotherhood says:9 November, 2023 at 9:59 pm
Utterly fucking scunnered
Here’s how to feel better IB.
Join with me in calling for a true cease fire, where both sides stop the shooting, killing and maiming.
Join with me in calling for a negotiated armistice, in which the hostages are released, and the pre-October 7th boundaries/borders are re-instated.
Join with me in accepting that where two sides are each vowed to the extermination of the other, both sides are going to have to learn to live with disappointment. It’s only by facing that difficult reality that you might start to see the contours of a possible solution.
So it’s the Tory red yoons next year led by sir Karmer as an alternative to the rancid blue Tory yoons. If only you people too young don’t know better that after 18 years of mainly Thatcher Tory rule we were deluded enough to accept private school Oxbridge cunt Blair as an alternative, even though people with knowledge said he’s a fukin Tory.
Still. The football might change things
*Both sides*
I despise that saying.
It’s a genocide against unarmed civilians for goodness sake George. Against international law & all laws of war.
I also despise hearing it because it’s used so often when clearly it isn’t both sides..
It’s also used a lot for the Trans bullshit. It’s *both sides* No, it isn’t. Gender critical don’t go around thumping people & getting people sacked & cancelled.
Edit. The joke is on me. The last celtic knockout European win was against Barcelona at Celtic Park. Celtic beat them one nil. Alan Thompson left foot strike. David Marshall made his Celtic debut in goals the 19 year old. What a career he went on to have.
So 19 years. For a knockout tie. I think we beat Zenit St Petersburg 1 nil at Celtic Park. But we lost the tie 3 – 1 aggregate.
My point is this. Why have Rangers made it to two European finals, and we can’t do that? We can’t even win. The fans at Celtic Park are traumatised. There’s a nervousness around the stadium. A chronic stress. The roof used to come off Parkhead from the first whistle to the last. Those days are long gone.
We need to find out how Rangers do it.
“in which the hostages are released, and the pre-October 7th boundaries/borders are re-instated.”
Why not go right back to 1948 boundary?
I thought you were against bullying neighbours taking land that doesn’t belong to them?
@George Ferguson & Main –
Thanks for confirming your position.
It won’t be forgotten.
David
It’s usually cheating.
Bent linesman
Bent ref
2 hours extra time
A penalty for tripping over the grass
Diving & rolling around
What the hell is wrong with John Main?
Michael Matheson health secretary has spend 11k on a roaming charge bill.
This is outrageous. He’s taken his laptop on holiday for 5 days. Got stoned on Morrocan Hash and watched porn hub. That’s what I believe.
The SNP. Spunking our money down the drain. Resign Matheson.
Meanwhile, in actual Scottish politics, the Health Secretary Michael Matheson seems to have rung up data roaming charges of nearly £11,000 on his ipad for what he claims is constituency work while he was on holiday in Portugal, and is so far not agreeing to pay it back.
Call me tight and small-minded, but I don’t understand how that’s happened. For a start wifi in hotels is normally free, and checking with my own mobile provider, that amount of money would pay for around 150 gigabytes of data abroad. That’s an awful lot of email to be burning through on a two week family holiday. I’d expect to get dumped by the significant other if I’d done that.
Still, it’s only Scottish taxpayers’ money. No biggie.
@Ian Brotherhood 10:51pm
The people I will remember on Saturday haven’t been forgotten for over a hundred years and counting. Perspective is a great quality, seldom in a woman and never in a man. Perhaps it’s the human affliction or condition to enforce their views, religion or politics on others that is the fundamental problem?. Anyway we are both members of Alba we are sure to meet up one day.
Everyone will know someone.
Many made sacrifices & some paid the ultimate price.
They said never again & now look at them. They’ve become the tyrant & just like in 1933+ the world turns a blind eye..
Don’t you recognise they are all but mirroring them?
Concentration camps
Thrown out their homes & off their land by a settler at gunpoint
Told to evacuate & not come back
Gleefully destroying hundreds of yrs old olive groves
Cutting off power & supplies
Built their own Berlin wall
Bombing & shooting indiscriminately (even killing UN)
Snipers shooting reporters
Snipers shooting weans
Bombing ambulances & schools
I think the war dead will be spinning in their graves. Some only young lads shitting themselves with fear or shot for dissertation at the horror.I don’t know how politicians can dare show their face on Sunday.
The UN needs to get a grip of them. They can’t continue to flout int law & break over 200+ resolutions. Enforce them to go back to the original boundaries.
The guilt trip is well & truly expired now. They’ve milked that ticket for over nearly 80 yrs & it’s time to tell them to shove their imposing of codes of conduct on governments around the world too.
FFS – not even Horoshima, who still have cancer & birth defects today, milked the victim card or demanded a chunk of uncontaminated land.
David Hannah – I remember our when manager was Paul Le Guen. He used to be called PLG and supporters held up a banner once saying PLG – Please Leave Govan and he was away a fortnight later. Pedro Caaxhinia was another guy we didn’t like but he now manages the second top side in Brazil. Walter Smith was the favourite but he managed us through some absolutely terrible games, but the supporters forget that. You never know what’s going to happen and that’s what’s so fascinating about football.
@Ian Brotherhood says:9 November, 2023 at 10:51 pm
Thanks for confirming your position.
It won’t be forgotten.
Nae bother, IB.
Once all the hysterical posturing has calmed down, you are welcome to make it your position too:
1) Accept there are two ethnic groups, neither of which is going anywhere.
2) Demand a cease fire from both sides.
3) Negotiate an armistice allowing each group to get something, but neither group to get everything.
Not saying it’s going to be easy, cos plenty of people a hell of a lot smarter than both of us put together have been trying for decades, but in the end, what’s the alternative, eh IB?
@Geri says:9 November, 2023 at 10:50 pm
Why not go right back to
You’re not smart enough to see it yourself, but you have revealed your own prejudice, and thus proven my point for me.
Why not go back to Roman times?
See? that’s me calling on the Ancient Guff. And it’s bollocks, because like everything else in the relations between countries, nations, etc, realpolitik or war are the binary options.
Realpolitik tells us we have two opposed sides, each sworn to annihilation of the other. Either they both learn to get along, or one is annihilated. From the lofty pedestal of your virtue-signalling self-righteousness, you are simply saying you want to replace one genocide with its opposite.
But as I wrote earlier, you lack the smarts to see that.
Now they’re bombing Al Shifa hospital.
WARNING: horrendous.
https://twitter.com/search?q=al%20shifa&src=typed_query&f=live
As the horror unfolds and I see a devastated people and country , I am left wondering why the Israeli’s are so intent on killing their own folk taken hostage. Surely they are in grave danger or indeed dead already – those bombing raids are indiscriminate despite the IDF claims that they are killing those they regard as terrorists and the UK government has dubbed a terrorist organisation.
I wonder if the Israeli government has missed the obvious , for if they continue as they are they have sown seeds of hatred for generations to come.
Al Shifa has around 50,000 displaced Palestinians sheltering there. They’re being bombed right now.
Zionists claim 30 000 HAmas fighters.
So far c.11 000 dead c.30 000 injured
Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in times of war:
Article 3 –
persons taking no active part in the hostilities shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction, founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
Article 33. –
No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Article 54 –
it is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove, or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population.
Main
They were given land.
They took more & more to make way for foreign settlers.
If I came to your door with a gun & tossed you & your family outside & I not only moved in but I shot you for being on *my* property – you’d be perfectly happy about that?
Cause, you know, you wouldn’t want to be prejudiced or anything!
How about if I was Muslim? That would get you fired up no doubt as yer already rabid about them..
They’re not entitled to take what they want & they have – repeatedly.
Blair is Scottish: Edinburgh born and Fettes educated.
dasBlimp,
unfortunately, you’ve overlooked Noon rule number one: only Noons count. If someone is Scottish but not a Noon, then they don’t count (the Germans had a word for that 90 years ago).
Norman Finkelstein on George Galloway recently said that G@za has now changed from a concentration camp to a death camp.
The rest of the world is watching ‘our’ leaders support a genocide and ethnic cleansing.
I don’t think most people realize just how bad this is. We are watching the collapse of the west.
I completely agree with the Ian B. above. Mind blowing seeing how so many people can be either totally silent or actively cheerleading it.
Eye opening.
To paraphrase HAMAS, the problem with Israel is that Jews live there.
«Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. “May the cowards never sleep»
«Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him»
Various versions in the sayings, actions and thoughts of the Prophet. The Ahadith. .
Very in your face for those prepared to look.
George Ferguson
“We are a canny people and innured to hyperbole. Capable of arriving at our own opinion on these matters.”
George, I think you’ll find that the vast majority of people are incapable of forming their own opinion on pretty much anything. The opinions people have are designed specifically for mass consumption and are adopted on a massive scale by the general population of sheep.le.
The Establishment understand the power of propaganda very well, the power of communication and who influences it, who melds it and ultimately who controls it to the extent of what we are allowed to access and therefore drive discussion, debate and thought or not.
People, in general, don’t have their own thoughts and do not come to their own conclusions, the reason that there are far too many people that think there is a legitimate reason to kill children is because they have been induced into thinking this.
It is an example of the weak minded casting aside morality at the utterance of their master’s voice.
Isr@el has already dropped 25,000 tones of bombs on G@za and that is only the start.
Hiroshima was ‘only’ 15,000 tones equivalent.
“The elephant in the room” with Alastair Crooke, excellent as usual.
youtube.com/watch?v=K5wu_2Vl0e0
George Ferguson
“We are a canny people and innured to hyperbole. Capable of arriving at our own opinion on these matters.”
George, I think you’ll find that the vast majority of people are incapable of forming their own opinion on pretty much anything. The opinions people have are designed specifically for mass consumption and are adopted on a massive scale by the general population of sheep.
The Establishment understand the power of propaganda very well, the power of communication and who influences it, who melds it and ultimately who controls it to the extent of what we are allowed to access and therefore drive discussion, debate and thought or not.
People, in general, don’t have their own thoughts and do not come to their own conclusions, the reason that there are far too many people that think there is a legitimate reason to kill children is because they have been induced into thinking this.
It is an example of the weak minded casting aside morality at the utterance of their master’s voice.
@Mac (9.49) –
Thanks.
There’s a lot of denial around, and no wonder.
But if we don’t find a way of reining-in Israel/US/EU they’ll just keep going until we’re in WW3. And if that happens, we’re all find out first-hand what the Palestinians are enduring.
It’ll be interesting to see if tomorrow in London passes off peacefully or there’s some kind of ‘incident’.
The reason for what’s happening in Gaza is land and corrupt money
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzWGckssA18/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
What is particularly damaging Ian is the sharp pivot from Ukr@ine to P@lestine/Isr@el.
It has laid completely bare the vile hypocrisy and double standards of the West in such a spectacular way it is truly breathtaking. I like you am stunned at what I am witnessing.
I said early on that (like them or loathe them) H@m@s have played a strategic blinder here. They anticipated this. Isr@el (and by extension the US and most of the EU) are walking into a well prepared trap here.
The maniacal suprem@ci$m at the heart of Zi0ni$m expressed in the form of committing a modern day genocide and ethnic cleansing is exactly what H@m@s sought to expose to the world…
As for the US and EU now we see just how incredibly dangerous the Is@el Lobby is… all our ‘leaders’ are are fully in lock-step with everything that is going on. Meaning ‘we’ are going down with this insane ship of psychotic mentalists.
I can see both NATO and the EU fracturing.
I don’t know how it is going to manifest but there is a big defeat coming ‘our’ way.
Apologies for the double post, I was editing to remedy the trigger for moderation.
WARS ARE TERRIBLE, I was born in the middle of a rather brutal America led «liberation» war twenty years ago. They rarely deal with underlying causes of conflict merely as the cliché has it an opportunity for kicking that bothersome rusty old can further down the road.
The underlying causes are left generally to the wise among historians to dissect in their studies, the societal «ephemera» of politicians, self styled political analysts, military agents of global necropolitics and media of all types take little interest because the complexity makes their simple brains woozy and there is really no immediate hemispheric «advantage» in it.
The Levantine conflict of the moment has little to do with the named protagonists but finds its roots deep in centuries before the senseless lines were drawn in the already blood soaked sands of Ottoman Greater Syria by latter day European adventurists.
On such conflicts opinion, prejudice, self righteousness come very cheap.
IanB,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMw15R_eR9I
Gazza update:
Three cans of Special and a sausage supper.
Ian B, I didn’t realise the furore over the peaceful demo was engineered by politicians and media. Until today I thought the march was scheduled for Sunday , I have only just discovered it is on Saturday AFTER the 2 minute silence.
The folk of Palestine will not hear that silence, they will only hear the silence of those who should be speaking out but don’t.
Mac.
I spoke of the mentalist lobby groups but if flew into moderation.
I dunno why.
The censorship code of conduct they all signed up to is mental. Practically forbidding governments around Europe to speak against atrocities.
@Breastplate (10.30) –
Thanks.
The man speaks sense.
😉
Dorothy Devine @7:53am
Wonder if Saudi could prevent further carnage by offering (free?) skyskrapers in lieu of other peoples land.
If so, the future may yet remember that agreement to move to the promised line in January constituted fulfillment* of the proposal to advance on almalek.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pFgvyPzZ-0
* given the presence of Suud Almalek (alpha aquarius) in the rising sun at that time of year.
ABOUT TIME.
Second home owners in Scotland to be Charged Premium Council tax.
In stead of a fifty per cent council tax discount.
David Hannah says: “We need to find out how Rangers do it.”
Utter bollocks! But you’re spot on about Lawell. And that’s because he’s a businessman first & foremost, he’s also a Tory who has hobnobbed with like minded folk at Downing Street parties.
I remember when Lawell, and that other useless c@nt Neil Lennon, sat in front of the Celtic fans’ groups at an AGM fielding questions. The topic of Sevco getting to keep titles etc won by the now liquidated mob was brought up. Lawell made a pathetic wee remark then laughed, accompanied in that laughter by his lap-dog Lennon sat next to him. Then he moved on to the next question with the previous one unanswered.
Lawell was instrumental in letting Sevco have those titles and a major player in the “5-point plan” drawn up to expedite the new entity back through the leagues to the top Scottish division as quickly as possible.
Lawell was also instrumental in bringing his pal Regan, remember him, in to the SFA. His background was cricket, not football. He also played to the fans by appointing Lennon as manager to sell season tickets. He did the *exact* same when he appointed Rogers. Another one who should never have been allowed a 2nd go.
Rogers is the reason we are currently utter shite. His brand of football is boring as f@ck if you ask me. That was a decent squad of good players he inherited but his management is woeful. FFS! Celtic purchased a Canadian national team right-back but from what i witnessed during the World Cup was someone who was being repeatedly caught out of position. Big Ange might have turned him into a better player but after telling the board he wanted him signed Big Ange left for Spurs. And as they say, the rest is history. And btw, our over-the-hill former England keeper is past-it. And we don’t have a quality replacement.
Here’s another point that will not make me popular with my fellow supporters, McGregor isn’t captain material. I don’t even rate him much as a player. What we have currently, under Rogers & Lawell, may just be good enough for domestic stuff but witnessing the gradual squandering of a good lead in the league should be setting alarm bells off. We should be killing off certain teams in the league but we’re punting the ball in every direction but the back of the net. FFS! We domestically struggled recently against a 10-man outfit we should have buried.
Every bit of this is happening under Lawell’s reign. Rogers inherited a good squad of decent players and made them poorer. Go figure! That’s my tuppence worth on the topic. And one last thing, we’re also missing sitters during games *&* missing penalties. If Rogers doesn’t get his finger out pronto then my recent concerns *will* come true, they will hand the title over to a team who are being managed by a man who’s managerial career, to date, is as a failure. And if that happens Rogers needs to be sacked.
Apologies for the football comments, folks. That’s my one and only time on this thread. As Yous were! 🙂
The Line (neom) sounds like another smart city prison.
Jabal al Lawz being nearby, the Zionists will probably want it too.
Mixing politics with religion with millennialism all looks like a psychological op.
The western banking system is in collapse.
Dr. Mads Gilbert appealing to Biden, Blinken et al over the screams of patients who’ve just been bombed inside the hospital.
https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1722940176387706955
I don’t know any Palestinians neither do I know any Israelis.
If Norway or England decided to lob 5,000 missiles into Scotland It would be natural for the Scots to seek some form of retribution. I don’t think the folks in Palestine or Israel would be overly concerned.
Israel clearly wants To make sure that the carnage and death in their country does not happen again and is seeking to exterminate H@m@s. Can anyone really blame them?
To my knowledge there has never been a war where civilian casualties have been spared. Never will be.
Some counties are willing to rearm H@m@s at the earliest opportunity.
I take no side in the war, it is none of my business. The righteous on here can choose their side and it will not make a bit of difference to anything.
Stoker says:
Penalty to Rangers.
dasBlimp, why not impersonate the Hindenburg, you pathetic hotel fire of a keyboard warrior.
Is Chas thicker than John Main?
Is that possible.
It’s the economy stupid !
The righteous are just being humanitarian and Scots are traditionally supposed to be pretty good at that. Better than most others.
As modern weapons of war become ever more devastating, then we should perhaps accept that the rules of the old-testament have been replaced by the rules of engagement: combatant to combatant.
That is all that anyone is saying. I haven’t read every comment, but most accept your premise and it is only the method of getting that done that is the issue, worldwide, at the moment.
LOL. have I written something that upsets you? Good!
Johnlm
There is a plethora of individuals on here who offer nothing on every subject. However they are quick to offer abuse.
There are others who continually post the same bilge, day after day but at least they are trying however misguided they may be.
What category do you place yourself in big man?
I’m with Chas at 12.34pm.
None of my business. Neither interested nor bothered.
“chas” “There are others who continually post the same bilge, day after day..”
LOL he/she/it’s not even got a sense of irony!
Same yoons, same old pish, and don’t they all automatically fall into line with the mainstream media in the blink of an eye! On every issue. “Tory bastarts”.
Chas 12.34pm
There was NEVER 5000 missiles lobbed into Israel by any Palestinians nor by HAMAS who were created and are owned and controlled by Israel, the US, UK etc just as Al Qaeda and ISIS were as well to carry out their agenda.
I presented links to the EVIDENCE of how they FAKE these rocket attacks and how the Israeli Iron Dome anti-rocket system is totally FAKE as well but for some reason Stu has not allowed that comment. The so called HAMAS rockets are just simply smoke bombs and who counted these 5000 rockets to claim that figure.
They can put any old DRIVEL out in the mainstream media and most of the sheep will believe it just like when they showed flimsy coke can planes flying through the sides of solid steel and reinforced concrete buildings on 9/11 without them getting a single scratch and melting right into the buildings and then exploding inside when they should have, under the laws of physics, splatted and exploded on the outside of the buildings like a fly when it hits your windscreen – 150 ton flimsy airplane against 500,000 ton building – the planes were totally FAKE on 9/11 and what they are showing you on TV re Israel/Palestine is FAKE. They can and do show you video from anywhere from other war zones and even from older wars in these regions as well. Most people never use their brains only respouting what they are told by the corrupt controlled mainstream media and governments etc.
Chas
There’s land entitlement, based on prophet babble, justifying the militant on both sides. But I’m guessing that particular prophet motive is not the one driving the folk who are arming and rousing those militants. I disagree that we have nothing to do with those players, we’re right in there.
Fairly On Topic, Scottish politics at least.
Rev has retweeted Neil Mackay’s Herald article which speaks some truth about Sturgeon.
The horrific thing is the comments are all pro-Sturgeon. “Best FM we’ve ever had” apparently. Has done nothing wrong. Is highly respected.
It is terrifying.
The yoons on here seem to support plantations in the ME and Scotland.
Anglo globalists.
I think I just saw woman H talking to the police
Geri,
9 November 2:03pm.
Thank you for your kindly response to my Quick posts between our many hospital and nurse visits my spouse is going through at the moment,
It requires a in depth study to ascertain why the Scottish parliament was dissolved in 1707 by Queen Anne in Westminster.
After consideration of historical records there are many anomalies in that gesture in 1707 at Westminster that are misleading to Scotland into falsely believing that the reason the Scottish parliament was dissolved was to join the Parliamentary union with England.
Yet nearly every one in Scotland has been taken in, and the Unionist minded people play the entrapment card to Scotland time and again in selecting snippets of chosen history, which in turn
Rewrites a new for false history of Scotland.
The best way to find if the treaty is or a union and is it bindingly rock solid factual reality is by asking your self Questions that unionist fight against you to disguise in conversation spagetti.
A good example is the conversations I have been having over a few months with Xaracen, who is lovely to debate with, polite and does refer to actual historical links,
But “interpretation” or ” presumption” of those records varies,
It has been presumped by Scotland that the Scottish parliament was dissolved to join the treaty of parliamentary union.
So question
1:
Why was the Westminster parliament of England not dissolved the same day and date by Queen Anne in a proclamation?
question 2:
Did the Westminster Parliament of England have a specific date that it was also dissolved officially by “proclamation” by Queen Anne in Westminster Parliament.
Xaracen say that the English parliament Closure was at a later date than Scotlands parliament,
My interpretation of that information,
If that was the case that the English parliament continued after the Scottish parliament was already dissolved there is no union of parliaments between Scotland and England in union partnership on the same day and same date to create a new date parliament of Great Britain.
The Institute of Government are very clear on the position of a government that is dissolved( (dissolution)
The ( 1707 Scottish parliament ) that was dissolved prior to “any evidence of the Englands parliament” ever having been dissolved, the ( Scottish parliament) could no longer act as a parliament,
and no longer had members of parliament to represent Scotland or it constituents.
That all business of the Dissolved 1707 Scottish parliament ceased= fell,
And there was nothing legally from the old 1707 Scottish parliament that could be binding to a successor parliament.
In this case the Successor parliament is claimed to be the parliament of England.
But is it, ?
The parliament of England can only claim to be a successor to the dissolved parliament of Scotland if it was it already in a parliamentary union,
At this stage in proceedings it was not.
For the purpose for dissolving only? the Scottish parliament was to create the new united one parliament.
Under dissolution of the Scottish parliament in the Parliament of England PRIOR to creating a new one united Great British parliament
It failed under Dissolution to unite the two parliaments.
It is also interesting to note that had the treaty of union articles gone ahead, there is (no) provision or article that states the (Old Westminster parliament of England) would be the Successor parliament is there?
Sarah @ 2:06pm,
Some of those comments would make sense from a Unionist perspective.
Rather too much of the public comment picked up by media re the Levantine question is on the level of those who thought Robert Bruce was a notorious slaver.
Checking facts, through comparative research, terribly tiresome despite the availability of research material on the internet.
NB a school in Wales will not be providing litter trays for kids who identify as cats….what is going on in the West? Regression to idiocy?
“I don’t know any Palestinians neither do I know any Israelis.
If Norway or England decided to lob 5,000 missiles into Scotland It would be natural for the Scots to seek some form of retribution.”
It had been suggested that bombs be dropped on Scotland if it became independent in 2014.
“The late former Lord Advocate Baron Fraser of Carmyllie suggested, it might be necessary to bomb and take out all of Scotland’s airfields”
Billy Carlin,
Just so that I have you straight, you are saying that:
1. Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas and others are created and directed by Israel, the US and the U.K?
2. Hamas didn’t fire rockets at Israel?
3. 9/11 was a fake job with tricked up video?
You’re going to have to forgive me. I think that you should be sectioned for your own good.
Geri,
A dissolved parliament and a Active parliament cannot be in a union,
nor can any previous actions taken by that dissolved parliament be binding.
A dissolved parliament is a parliament that it, nor its ex members can participate in, or represent its constituents in that parliament thereafter,
Which is the debate I held with Xaracen,
The people elected into the parliament of England from the Country of Scotland after the Scottish parliament was dissolved were not members from the Scottish parliament and were not representative members of Scotland parliament from that now dissolved parliament,
But ordinary wealthy blokes of the street that happened to live in Scotland or live in Scotland part of the time, no longer members of a Scottish parliament,
The Westminster parliament of England which had not been officially dissolved, pretended these people were Scottish members of a now debunked dissolved parliament accepted under deceit, led the Scots to believe there was a treaty of parliamentary unions with England.
In my very insightful Conversations with Xaracen, whom I still praise for his knowledge on this particular subject I failed to understand his interpretation that by the creation of the New Great British parliament when it came into being it automatically dissolved both the parliament of Scotland and the parliament of England at one and the same time,
Why was the Scottish parliament only dissolved at all separately from Englands parliament
Where was the need to make this Scottish Parliament Dissolution a requirement at all,
My interpretation of those actions is that only the Scottish parliament was dissolved from the supposed parliamentary union in 1707.
@ Breastplate at 2.35: “..comments make sense from a Unionist perspective.”
I hope that is the reason. If it is Yessers who still believe Sturgeon is a spotless heroine of tge independence cause, it would be extremely worrying.
This spoof paper was first published on the National Collective site on September 13th 2013 – anonymously – and is republished on June 13th 2021.
Well, you know what they say: “Don’t believe everything you read.” 🙂
Billy Carlin.
Wikileaks posted this supposedly top secret US cable on the birth of Hamas and which group founded it, whether its a ruse or not by the US State Department, Wikileaks has duty to post it and it did.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140818011806/https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/88JERUSALEM3168_a.html#efmA8dA9H
https://nitter.net/wikileaks/status/1716787623019106702#m
Billy Carlin – Like many others, I was astonished that the twin towers took the volume and weight of these passenger jets and survived standing, albeit not for long. It was due to something called “load-sharing”. It’s what happens when a number of structural members are removed and the structure should fall down, but doesn’t. We are all watching another example of it at Holyrood just now. I keep-on thinking it’s bound to collapse, but it is still standing.
1. Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas and others are created and directed by Israel, the US and the U.K?
– Absolutely, the Mujehedin were funded by the Carter Administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, to entice the USSR into Afghanistan. They later became A1-CIAda, ISIS and other nutters.
2. Hamas didn’t fire rockets at Israel?.
– Don’t know. H4mas are allied to the Muslim Brotherhood and funded by Qatar and 1srael.
3. 9/11 was a fake job with tricked up video?
– Three steel framed buildings collapsing at free fall speed into their own footprints when two planes crash into the top of two of the buildings.
Dancing 1sraelis
https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-dancing-israelis/
Republicofscotland,
Indeed I had heard the comments of the former lord Advocate Fraser.
There have been a few people suggesting it,
We all know BJ position on exterminating the Scots,
Nothing in dirty politics surprises us as much as it should any more,
Surprisingly and sadly, US Senator for Vermont Bernie Sanders has turned to the dark side, by rejecting the calls for a ceasefire on Gaza.
Sanders who is an independent, but has close ties to the Democrats party, looked for awhile as though he would’ve made a fair and decent POTUS.
https://nitter.net/MintPressNews/status/1722629202015564204#m
James Che – The lack of honesty of our politicians in Scotland precludes us from thinking about setting-up a parliament. Take a look around you. It is not going to happen and it is our fault that it’s not going to happen.
“Don’t believe everything you read.”
The Flying Iron of Doom.
Is that so.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/death-from-above/
RepublicofScotland,
It will make little to no difference which party or which candidate wins the next US election, the trajectory will remain the same. They are the puppets not the puppeteer.
We have exactly the same problem in this Disunited Kingdom.
Captain Yossarian,
No, it is your fault and people like you who believe we can’t do a better job than people who have no interest in improving our society or our country.
@ Shug: “I saw Woman H talking to the police.”
Really?
@Breastplate 10:01am
I don’t share your opinion of our fellow countrymen. We all see the pictures from Gaza and of course it is heartbreaking. But here is an example of balance. Kfir a nine month old baby was abducted by Hamas as a hostage and no pictures have been released by them of his safety and welfare. Very poignant for me as I bounced my 9month old grandson on my knee yesterday. Fortunately for us he doesn’t suffer from seperation anxiety when his mum drops him off (Rare). So what purpose does it serve Hamas to abduct a child of this age? Political, moral or any reason? Perhaps Kfir is being used as a bargaining chip? Or he is a figment of his Israeli mother imagination. I trust mainstream Scottish opinion to get it right.
A Scot Abroad @ 14.46
And yet, it is interesting that Jane Standley of the BBC announced that Building 7 had collapsed some 30 minutes before it did, and whilst it could still be clearly viewed over her shoulder still standing.
Not, I hasten to add, that I suggest the BBC or other mainstream media as totally relieble sources of information.
James @3.26pm.
Yes James, lies and veiled threats were the order of the day for unionists of all walks.
Lord George Robertson, said of Scottish independence that it would cataclysmic, and it would lead to the Balkanisation of Western Europe.
Breastplate @3.45pm.
Agreed but before Trump became POTUS, there was hope that Sanders would pip him to it, many Americans thought that Sanders was someone who could make a real difference.
The same was thought of Obama, who’s entire two-tenures as POTUS saw the US at war, a record I think, Obama increased the frequency of drone strikes, and shockingly he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.
Breastplate,
if you think that Scottish politicians can do a better job of running Scotland than anyone else, feel free to suggest some names (there need to be around 30 to run a full government). At the moment, you’ve got Yousaf and Regan on the Indy side, and both of them prize idiots. Salmond is past it and discredited. Who else?
WILL THE GREAT AND THE GOOD fill the streets with regard to this ongoing mayhem?
https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/war-yemen
No? Is this a purely local and whisper it, Islamic matter? A hands off for western ethical concerns?
However, when it suits, in some matters western concern is useful provided it has the right tone.
Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo.
Ambrose BIERCE.1842-1914
RoS,
Calling for a ceasefire in Gaza is a pretty stupid thing to do, as all it would achieve is to set the conditions for the next cycle of violence. Which is why sensible people aren’t doing so.
The fact is that after 75 years, the lived experience is that a two state solution isn’t going to work. So the world might as well let the two sides slug it out until one, or the other, prevails, and then have a single unitary state, while the losers go off and are permanently resettled by other countries. Tens of thousands will die, but that’s better than 100s of thousands over the next 75 years.
Breastplate – When I say “honest”, I mean “truthful”. Do you know of anyone that meets that criteria? I cannot name a single soul and that is a problem. “Special Measures” run by those at Whitehall looks more likely to me at the minute than “Independence”.
Sven “And yet, it is interesting that Jane Standley of the BBC announced that Building 7 had collapsed some 30 minutes before it did, and whilst it could still be clearly viewed over her shoulder still standing.”
Occam’s razor suggests that in the chaos and horror of the day a shocked, tired BBC employee didn’t know building 7 from a bus shelter and simply made a mistake.
One topic at a time is all most people are capable of taking on board, the dubious back ground links from years back are well hidden by MSM and many governments, with linked up terrorist groups under different guises and names in different countries.but still linked,
Information wars by authortarian methods of all governments and big tech controlling free our speech is increasing the pressure,
The array of Banned words, Countries whose names you are no longer allowed to speak, new invented words for genders, topics that are like new voodoo,
But hidden away are gems that corporations are trying to control
But they are still available on other formats, you just need to know where to look besides your outside own front door,
Most of the things you post can be sourced with a bit more effort, , but it is the norm to apply scathing or derogatory comments before researching in depth for one self,
I started by following money of politicians and companies they were involved in, this led to sub companies, branches off of those companies and sub companies, companies that a government and politicians had more than one finger in the pie scenario but their whole hand in and were often connected by one or two personal names in the mix,
This leads to how and who was controlling these companies over world politics and the investments made to bring about firstly localised control of the populations from Councils and then applied and easily advanced to world politics control of populations.
It is big business and controlled investments of finances all the way from Climate change income investments to gender ideology of big pharma income investments, from Ulez to hate speech, from equality to equity, from lockdowns to future lock ups, from justice to trials without juries,
Slowly slowly they are capturing the people that are day by day dreaming and sleep walking into there own limited future wrong world.
Non of it works for us and is disfunctional for society as a whole,
but for those who do not do their homework and do not want to believe that the people they voted for and put in government would do this to them, just look at what is happening all around you and say every thing is normal and as it should be,
Start in Scotland with the Snp or labour or tories trying to remember there are only two sexes under the equalities and equity Acts,
Yes they are dividing and slowly controlling the ruling of all populations, so I would say to all the Scathing mentally captured cultures that rather than believe MSM and world governments whom control your government take a look around you,
Is something seriously amiss in finances, energy control, Housing, immigration, employment, pensions, the national heath service, Infrastructure of Britain, chosen targeted countries to apply wars to, and who benefits financial on a pre- determined outcome of war?
And where and what is it to you to be self ID’d equvilant to a dog licence or ear tag on cattle, will it help you or them at the top?
Don’t shoot the messenger like Billy Carlin, that brings you the news, sort out in your head if it is actually happening to you right now and your country,
Theres your answer if the news you are receiving is accurate or correct.
Pat Blake @ 16.29
Not, perhaps, so much a mistake as a “prophecy” ?
As this “bus shelter” did in fact collapse some 30 minutes later. It’s one thing to be up to the minute with the news … truly impressive to be 30 minutes ahead of it.
I still find it interesting, curious person that I be.