Time catches up with us all
Posted on
January 29, 2017 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Here’s the Conservative MP for Stratford-on-Avon 10 months ago:
And this is him yesterday, reacting to the news that having been born in Iraq means he’s now banned from entering the USA:
Which you’d imagine isn’t quite the sort of “special relationship” he was talking about in glowing terms just two days earlier:
Because whether you’re Tory or Labour, the trouble with dog-whistling racists is that once you’ve started, you have very little control over where it’ll stop.
And it’s rarely anywhere you wanted to go.
Nadhim Zahawi – ‘Yeah, I’m all up restrictions, as long as it doesn’t affect me obviously.’
Seriously, why do we let these people control our lives?
But but but. He loves Theresa. He meant other foreigners. Obviously a little administration error. Some poor immigration official will be blamed for lack of understanding the directive and all will be cushy again.
Why are decent Americans putting up with this shit being done in their name?
Mr Zahawi must feel like he fired a trident missile.
Nadhim Zahawi seems pissed….What he wished for just bit him on the ass.
One of the things that disturbed me most about the Better Together campaign was their ready willingness to use foreigner as an indication of the other, something less than a whole. This was in my view a dangerous and slippery slope. A theme UKIP and Leave picked up on with gusto with their Leave campaign and one which Trump has embraced with a troubling enthusiasm.
The perfectly executed takedown of blatant hypocrisy as always by the Rev.
poetic justice
Croompenstein, we’re not. It will take time, though, to win over the decent people who were fooled by Trump’s promises. Does that sound familiar?
Its going to be interesting during Indy 2 as all there past outbursts will come back to haunt them. There is a saying fools rush in May seems to have not heard it.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=73GOfY0Ab9g
This is what I think of when I see a man like that.
Wow he should resign on principle oh wait nearly forgot he is a tory they have no principles.
@Croompenstein
I looked at the Women for Independence gofundme for the Glasgow Vet to get back home (wasn’t allowed to transit via New York as born in Iran), and several of the donors were Anerican.
Its the same with Nigel Farage the latest migrant worker to work for Fox News in the US telling us all about how there are too many migrant workers in the UK.
These people truly believe they are entitled and above common law and legislation.
They are amongst a group of established elites who don’t actually believe that nobody is above the law.
link to youtube.com
And yet these profoundly stupid tories still reign over Scotland, with viceroy Fluffie.
In my view, ‘conservatives’ are people who lack empathy and have difficulty understanding people different to themselves, and can only comprehend a thing when it actually happens to them personally.
It is quite clear that Zahawi never thought it could happen to him, so maybe he now understands the downside of all this anti-immigration stuff he and his party spout. Though probably not.
him being a UK citizen would probably allow him a visa to America?
does the executive order say `born in restricted country` or `citizen of restricted country`?
“him being a UK citizen would probably allow him a visa to America?
does the executive order say `born in restricted country` or `citizen of restricted country`?”
It says, and means, “born”. DOESN’T ANYONE CLICK THE LINKS?
Horrified by these events. And check Theresa the appeaser in turkey. Weak and foolish just like the uk we live in.
Meantime in holyrood there’s the possibility of the govt being taken down. Thanks Green Party. I thought you had more brains than that – you’re walking into Tory mundell s tax trap. And if we lose a pro Indy majority in the ensuing election you will go the way of labour. I’d be so disappointed that you’d taken our chance of Indy away from us. You’re supposed to be better than that. And the result? Stuck in a Tory uk and out of Europe – dancing to the tune of trump. God save the queen. It’s a fascist regime. And there’s no future.
And the irony is that in an Indy scotland I’d maybe have voted green
The mask has slipped.
It reveals the face of the Neo-Facist UK that a non Indy Scotland will be chained to out with the EU and the protection of Human Rights Legislation due to Brexit.
Theresa the Appeaser won’t condemn because she knows the UK economy is going to tank.
Someone should have told Nahdim Zahawi MP “If you tolerate this then your children will be next”
Now he know what the “Proud Scot Buts” must feel like when the Establishment vilify all of Scotland not just us Vile Separatists.
Typical Tory. “Rules apply to others, not me.” But then, “What, they are applying the rules to me.”
Racist is something to avoid. Don’t open the can of worms, some of them bite. And, you can’t get them back in the can.
The Indy side in Scotland has steered clear of racist, as have many on the Union side, let’s keep it that way.
Scotland is most definetly a foreign country to the rest of the UK, when you compare our political and social outlook on life. The word “foreigner” was used in a nasty and negative way during 2014, as if there was something evil about being foreign.
Ed t head says:
Lots of shit for us to cast back up to them.
They conducted IndyRef1 as if there would never be an IR2. They behaved after IR1 as if they would never have to fight another.
And they are still at it. More fools them!
Just NIMBYs…
Or two-faced lying NIMBYs! 🙁
That’ll be the same Nadhim Zawahi who was believed to be a negotiator for an energy company, purchasing oil from daesh and flooding the European market with cheap oil. The company board of directors included all the usual suspects (Bankers, ex BP executives etc.) When are the public going to say enough is enough.
Unfortunately, most of them seem blissfully unaware of what these crooks are doing, whilst their living standards diminish year after year. They’ll blame it on the SNP because they said so on the BBC.
Meanwhile the establishment (World Order) are flaunting their criminality and laughing at those who dissent.
The usual ‘I’m alright Jack’ approach from tories – touting for business good or bad from anywhere – even when any right thinking person would be avoiding like the plague. Turkey and human rights and democracy – secret police etc but lets make them more weapons.
Trump every time he opens his mouth proves he is racist, homophobic and anti women. His is the worst rhetoric ever heard in America, caring for the poor by taking away their health care and dismantling everything that is good in America.
I would never sanction abortion, but I would never undermine, blame or think any less of any woman who has had one. Trump is not a pro lifer he simply wants to control women and subjugate them to men.
He is dangerous, controlling, and has made his fortunes on the back of the little man and woman whom he has used and abused for decades. Many, many people in America are ashamed of his antics and his position on many things. As for those who can only see through a selfish lense when it affects them (tory mp above) they are typical of the self-centred me me me culture of today.
I still cannot believe that a man who has not paid taxes for something like 20 years, is a several times over declared bankrupt, who owes millions to China has been elected to be President of USA. I am still hoping I wake up and it has been a nightmare – though both republicans and democrats share the blame over there choice of candidates.
Theresa May should not have been so quick to travel to America and certainly should not have invited him here to peddle his horrific nonsense.
There’s some real irony in other players on the unionist side in our referendum. I loved the irony of the name Vote No Borders on the basis that if we had won they would have to erect a wall and checkpoints. The inference being that would be a bad thing. Less than two years later they presided over another referendum so they could put up borders with check points. Only that was to be a good thing. Now Trump’s trumped them and some of the Vote Leave acolytes are a wee bit disappointed. Karma.
What shoes will I wear today to suit the occasion
link to petition.parliament.uk
Signed.
Be careful what you wish for, eh?
It is almost laughable seeing how desperate the Twatter Yoons are flapping about panicking screaming ‘there is no appetite for IndyRef2’.
I don’t know what he is worried about. After all isn’t he a member of Tory “Mega Millions” club. This should make it extremely easy for him to “buy” his way into which ever country he wants to “visit” surely.
Here’s just a “little” background to poor wee Nadhim.
link to theyworkforyou.com
The criminal alcoholic, George Foulkes, says to Roseanna Cunningham:
“So says the lady whose policy would make all English people foreigners!”
And what’s wrong with “foreigners”? I’ve got countless relatives who are “foreigners” and i love them all, some more than others. It’s only nasty, sneaky, self-interested people like you George who use that word in a way that says far more about you than i ever could.
BTW (1): If i leave Scotland i automatically become a “foreigner” no-matter what country i find myself in and i have absolutely no problem with being a Scottish “foreigner” in a foreign land.
BTW (2): I’ve just noticed, George, your surname is an anagram of ‘foul kes’ – quite apt i suppose.
r.esquierdo, clown ones spring lithely to mind.
Typical Tory ignores Rule no.1
Rule No 1 : Never listen to your inner nazi,for short term,political gain.
“Hey everbody,I’ve just shoved a scorpion up my arse and see there is nothing to fear,look I’m ok,I’m alright”
As the scorpion slowly wakens and the deluded Tory’s tiny swastica tattoo (etched on their perineum)starts to vibrate,to tremble and as the cold beads of sweat begin to run down to the schucks of their arse,it begins to agitate,the now wide awake scorpion,the reality of the situation hits home,the deluded Tory knows he is not ok or even remotely alright,the terrors,peak at fear factor five.
Multiply that on a Global Scale.
#InSpaceNoOneCanHearYouScream
link to petition.parliament.uk
Signed!
Scottie Dog @ 11.52am
Yep…and looks like its veered off course and heading back towards him!
Signed the petition to stop Trump visit.
Votes rose from 185,000 to almost 189,000 in time it took me to complete process.
link to petition.parliament.uk
Phenomenal. Clocking up 50+ signatures per second!
Signed.
Trump petition – 190k @ 1340
Apparently he felt it appropriate for taxpayers to pay to heat the stable at his second home. A quick check found that he also voted in support of air-strikes on his country of origin, in the interests of advancing humanitarian concerns, of course. It also seems that he likes to bank off-shore, so it appears the man has no scruples.
My heart bleeds for the poor soul.
Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi ‘closely linked to two tax-haven-based companies’
link to archive.is
link to bbc.co.uk
@heedtracker
link to petition.parliament.uk
That petition has gone from less than 140,000 I think, to over 200,000 in less than an hour.
First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
Bad stuff is happening in brexitland and the US. Racists are now out in the open. We need to be free from fascism.
[…] Wings Over Scotland Time catches up with us all Here’s the Conservative MP for Stratford-on-Avon 10 months ago: And this is him […]
Trump petition … signed.
Petition signed 211k
HandandShrimp at 12.03 pm.
Following on from that H.S, when Indyref2 comes along, will the No campaign propoganda revolve almost entirely around immigration, as they try to induce the fear factor, no matter how despicable that tactc is to all right-minded people.
During the 2014 Independence Referendum it was a subject that rarely was asked about on the doorstep, it was mainly pensions, the pound, and sometimes defence that was mentioned, immigraton didn’t seem such a big deal to most people.
As far as I can tell, most of the Better Together arguments from the last time have been debunked, mainly by the actions of the Westminster Government, so are they likely to use the “foreigners” argument in a bid to stop us becoming an independent country.
Unfortunately, I think it’s very likely.
It’s as predictable as night follows day, previous statements from Career politicians will in the end come back and bite them in the arse, When you don’t have any beliefs ,or principles but simply follow your chosen political party line as a means of advancement don’t be so surprised when as in this situation they are well and truly hung out to dry , Tough Shit Pal .
Funny, isn’t it?
The English have turned the term ‘foreigner’ into a nasty word, only adding the ‘Johnny’ bit to make it a bit humorous.
Is that the reason they cannot seem to comprehend that, to the rest of the world’s populations, some 7 billion people, they are the ‘foreigners’.
@Cameron Brodie
He’s a tory crooked as they come
link to awdnews.com
link to uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com
@Ann
I only signed it after I posted, it took me an hour to decide. I don’t like the idea of being anti-President of the US and took no side in the election. But there’s a limit, and I hope his party kicks him out.
Looked at the map, top constituency is Caroline Lucas, 2nd Corbyn, 3rd Bristol West, then 3 or 4 others in London. Edinburgh and Leith (Brock) about 10th, the rest of Scotland behind.
Nadhim Zahawi in the news 4th Jan 2017
“An investigation by the Guardian has revealed close links between a Conservative MP and two companies based in a tax haven.
Nadhim Zahawi has financial ties to Balshore Investments and Berkford Investments, which operate from a lawyers’ office in Gibraltar. He does not declare a connection to either company on the MPs’ register of interests.
Balshore Investments holds shares worth over £20m in YouGov, the polling firm co-founded by Zahawi in 2000. YouGov company documents have referred to Balshore as “the family trust of Nadhim Zahawi’s family”.
That’s who are doing your polling in this country.
link to archive.is
As for the petition on Trump.
I doubt the Queen would be embarrassed by a State visit from Trump. Her husband certainly wouldn’t, him and Trump would probably get on great. Trump doesn’t have squinty eyes see.
@CameronB Brodie
You beat me to it! 🙂
Trump – ‘It’s working out very nicely’. OMG.
I was going to give a wee update to the signatures to the Ban Trump petition but in the time it took me to write this it has jumped 4,000 signatures. 😀
Personally I don’t see what the problem is. After all it’s not as if he is racist or anything. 😉
Oops!
Sorry think I misunderstood the petition.
Duly signed! 😀
I think perhaps the problem for Scotland is the wording of the petition “Her Majesty the Queen”, there’s a lot of anti-monarchists (not neccessarily republicans), but the wording means it will get more support over the rest of the UK. And it’s a kicking for Trump – and May who was so slow responding (see Sturgeon’s twitter feed). It’s also rational – keeping the head of the USA out of the UK altogether is perhaps a move too far.
“Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.
More details
Donald Trump’s well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit.”
The way this is going – could it make a million?
I had that petition on “back” in the browser by the way, and know I clicked heed’s link to get there, so it was on 138,000 just after Arbroath1320’s post at 1:14 pm.
234,194 signatures, on Ban Heil Trump petition! Its like watching an odometer at light speed.
236,901 signatures
yesindyref2 says:
Perhaps by midnight?
If not, certainly some time tomorrow.
Amazing.
238,289 signatures
240,085 signatures
Must be one of the fastest ever petitions signings.
yesindyref2 says:
Looks like 2500 signatures a minute.
link to petition.parliament.uk
1:20pm – I was 158,532
1:57pm – Wife was 211,677
🙂
Largest online petition to parliament ….
EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.
4,150,260 signatures
link to petition.parliament.uk
WILL THIS TRUMP ONE BEAT IT?
Peirs Morganite Heil Trumpers, look away now
link to educateinspirechange.org
250,138 250,357 signatures
Madhim Zahawi the Tory MP who is now banned from entering the USA, or transit via the USA to another country, or even boarding a flight to the USA, should remember the old adage; ‘if you’re going to sup with the devil, best use a long spoon.’.
Somebody really should check Trump’s head, and see if he has 666 under that hairdo.
What is most depressing in all of this, however, is that no matter how corrupt and depraved the Government in Westminster becomes, no matter how much they cosy up and praise the racist, sexist, homophobic American idiot president, Labour in Scotland WILL NOT support Scotland being independent. And Labour then have the freaking audacity to wonder why they can’t get elected.
Grandpa, will your vote to keep Scotland an English Colony, where my opinions and votes won’t count for anything, mean that must always be a 2nd class citizen?
Does Grandma think having the 4th worst old age pension in Europe is a good thing? Is she happy her retirement age has changed from 60 to 67 years of age?
Do you want to see the best performing NHS in the UK, sold off to an American Corporation?
Do you think we should cause the NHS to crash by removing all the E.U and commonwealth Doctors and Nurses?
Grandpa, why are socialists multi millionaires like Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and Alistair Darling?
Don’t they know the richer they become, the poorer the poor become?
Grandma, do you think we should take advice from violent alcoholic criminals who get paid to sleep in the House of Commons?
I was going to sign the petition, but there isn’t a Scotland option in the drop down, so that’ll be that.
There is no doubt about it, the British State has been digging itself a deeper hole each day since Trump became President. It was bad enough for Theresa and Co in trying to promote Brexit as a good thing for the British State through the ill-conceived idea of the ‘Global Britain’ brand.
But like the child who seeks and finds their hidden Christmas presents before Christmas Day (thus ruining it for themselves), Theresa has made a number of really bad mistakes in being too eager to strike trade deals with anybody, without…
(1) Actually swallowing her pride and just negotiating a ‘Soft Brexit’ by accepting freedom of movement. It makes the most bloody sense! Forget what Brexiteers want. They got what they wanted – out of the EU. Negotiate the rest of the deal on the Remainer’s terms. Something is better that nothing for everyone …not her deluded notion of ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’.
(2) Ignoring all the danger signs that emanate from Donald Trump, and instead, bolting for the States to then fawn and simper over the maddest, baddest, idiot in the World.
3) Before then hurrying back to strike a military trade deal with another ‘democratic’ megalomaniac in Erdogan. Where did that come from?!?!
Simply put, a good portion of those who voted Leave, let alone the Remainers, never wanted this type of Brexit. This was not what Brexit was about. What we currently have is Theresa holding the begging bowl, nervous smiles, and praising deluded nasty fools who should never be running a bath, let alone a nation. Instead, Theresa is performing for that tiny minority of what is literally, ‘a mob’. This mob hates everyone who is not a WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant), but are demanding that everyone should not only trade with us on the UK terms, but should also fear us at the same time since we’re this (supposedly) great influential military power. It’s just utter nonsense.
And how foolish has Theresa been in the last 24 hours. Stating only 4 days ago about how she would have influence over Trump and bring him to heel if he should step out of line. Fast Forward to last night, and the deluded fool of a PM, not once, but twice, gave a pathetic attempt in excusing Trump’s actions over banning Muslims at American airports. We have one fool causing chaos beyond his own territory by affecting air traffic in other countries because people can’t get connecting flights in the US, while another fool once again hides when the crap hits the fan. Trump and Theresa are perfect for each other for all the wrong reasons.
But what it has shown is that Theresa is weak. She will crumble if things go seriously wrong. If I was the First Minister this week …I would never break eye contact with Theresa. Just give her a continued hard stare, and let her make more mistakes. One thing is for sure …Theresa is no Maggie.
link to petition.parliament.uk
Signed
Ah, I see Rev’s on the job (40 mins ago). That’ll help, as he’ll get retweeted if that’s what it’s called.
@Robert Louis
Labour support anti immigrant policies, remember the Cup with the slogan “Controls On Immigration”. Remember Hilary Benn’s speech to bomb Syria being cheered most loudly by the Tories sitting opposite?
They can’t get elected because they are Tory Lite, people with those views prefer the “real deal” so vote Tory. While in Scotland people against those views will now vote SNP.
You are witnessing the death of Labour as a political force.
If May has instructed the Queen to get down on her 90 year old knees to Kiss Trump’s ****, won’t all the former Commonwealth Muslim countries, that she is desperate to trade with, dump the UK like a hot potato, if their citizens are to be banned from the USA, by England’s new best friend?
Bloody students, coming over here, paying mega bucks for uni, wanting to stay and get a good job. Mayhem’s got your coupon punched. Heil Farage.
link to independent.co.uk
Thepnr says:
When was the last time Labour openly opposed the Tories? Must confess, nothing comes to mind.
Over 50% of South British voted far right (Con+UKIP). Their country seems on the verge of becoming a isolationist, xenophobic, right-wing fest. Labour are doing more to bring this about than challenge it.
And, in North Britain? Labour’s sole aim appears to be ensuring we get dragged over the cliff edge too.
Hell mend them!
petition signed and shared, almost 300,000 and I expect that number is out-of date by now
Whether intentional or not, the wording of that petition is brilliant – I have no probs signing, even as a republican – the very fact it’s aimed at saving her from embarrassment is, in itself, embarrassing for Liz and her ilk.
If it hits a million signatures will she show appreciation to all the loyal ‘subjects’ who are so concerned for her?
It’s just clicked over 285,000
Croompenstein says:
29 January, 2017 at 11:52 am
Why are decent Americans putting up with this shit being done in their name?
Same reason we have to put up with the ‘foreign’ shit ruling us. We voted for it.
Here’s a wee tune for that criminal alcoholic parasite Foulkes:
Sting – Englishman in New York
link to youtube.com
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At 1:57pm the petition was at 211,677
At 2:57pm the petition was at 282,603
🙂
I’m away to enjoy the rest of today’s sunshine in the garden.
I bet this fact and comparison does not appear on the BBC any time soon
Best laugh I have had all week we’re it not so sad
Clickbait trap alert at 2:50pm Newbies! Don’t fall for it!
Good to watch Lesley Riddoch standing up for Independence and giving the Audience a touch of realism by reminding them what was Scotlands place in this Union, short and sweet f/all we don’t count, This was on Nicky Campbell’s program The Big Question, Very surprised by Nicky Campbell’s defending Scotlands right as a nation to be heard and acknowledged as a partner , I expect he will be warned about future conduct for this slip.
What wasn’t acceptable was letting that fool from UKIP , can’t remember his name or be arsed looking for it , anyway this Clown given free reign to continue to spout pish about us having to join the EURO when even Schoolchildren here know we can’t be forced to join even if we Qualified which be don’t , and this pish about having to go to the back of the Queue behind Turkey to join, There is nowhere in the European articles a provision for removing The Citizenship from European Citizens namely us , so how that’s going to work out when England leaves is anyone’s guess.
Never seen numbers go up like this before!
link to petition.parliament.uk
Signed.
During the EU Referendum I noticed a lot of voters of Asian origin on tv moaning about there intention to vote Leave because they were concerned about the impact of migrants from Eastern Europe coming into their areas. The thought struck me that back in the 1964 General Election in the Smethwick constituency the then Tory candidate successfully played the anti-Asian immigrant card and that was no different to what was now being done against EU migrants. While I feel some sympathy with Mr Zahawi, he needs to recognise that it was people like him who gave Trump encouragement through the Brexit vote. Maybe if he and other people had engaged their brains a wee bit more prior to the referendum thinags might be a bit more positive across the planet.
Nadhim Zahawi and Priti Patel stated that the uk would be free to allow immigrants from other countries post bexit.
That they thought those who voted for brexit to prevent people from Poland or France entering England would be happy permit people from India or Pakistan into England. This belief highlights their lack of knowledge of their electorate and general intelligence.
Now they are surprised that US is behaving the way their new president said it would behave, whilst the rest of us for a long time have been saying…………
These idiots are now in control (of England), therefore the uk, time to get out quick!
Can I just check that members of my family in the USA, Ireland, England , Australia etc are still my family. They are? I must be the foreigner then.
Well, well, some speshal relashonship! Put the lang spoons bit and supping with the devil to the side, what a stramash.
All the schmalzy talk since last Friday has gone.
May:s close hand-in-hand relationship with Trump will haunt her.
And Trump has only been in the job a week or so!
What next? Widening the ban? You could not make this up.
To make a rare opinion on such weighty international matters, a power bloc has hard power as in military, but it has soft power as in influence. The Chinese have been extending their soft power in Africa and other places by investment, trade and being quiet. The Russians are trying to do the same, but being rebuffed a bit. The EU has indigestion but could be good at the soft power angle.
Trump on the other hand is throwing the USA soft power away. State department resignations, and the Pentagon must be tearing its collective hair out.
Aye, for China add Europe of course – and the USA. I think the USA is facing a future USSR crisis.
Neatly done Rev. 🙂
Couldn’t agree more.
OT
Perhaps Stu should be asking historywoman how these days compare with Germany at the rise of Hitler. You know crazy ideas like the machinery of government will curb his excesses; how did that work out?
If she is not batshit crazy she must be very worried poor thing.
Mr Zahawi Why do those word Karma & Bitch keep cropping up, hell rub it into you.. Two sons at Princeston Uni who cant leave the country Family life is disrupted aye Karma’s ah Bitch lol.
link to petition.parliament.uk
@ over 300,000, I don’t care about embarrassing Betty, but Trump can fek off!
Zahawi is upset that he is now subject to the type of restrictions he wanted to impose on others.
It’s always OK for these people when the laws they make for others don’t apply to them. Wee bit of a reality check for Zahawi on how it feels for others perhaps? Nah, he’ll still have that Tory sense of entitlement.
Saw somewhere that the US is now more divided than it was at the time of its Civil War.
Seems plausible!
The right wing fundamentalist religious red neck lot, who of course the Republicans pander to, would seem to have far more in common with Jihadists in the Middle East than anyone in Europe.
In that respect I feel sorry for the ‘normal’ folks in the US with whom we could relate.
Can’t really see what all the fuss is about.
Trump is only carrying out his election pledges and the US citizens made him President.
That’s democracy.
Also, there’s been plenty folks on here wanting to disenfranchise foreigners voting in Indy ref2.
Pot calling the kettle……
Judge stops Trump.
link to washingtontimes.com
When you exclude on the basis of point of origination, race, culture, religion, sexual preference or gender?
You become the problem. Difference instead of being a cause for celebration, becomes an excuse to exclude, alienate and other. It becomes a breeding ground for hatred, fear and exploitation by the ruthless. Y’know, politicians, media, corporate interests.
Something the YES movement is only too familiar with. Inclusion, sharing, communication is the enemy of fear. It turns fear back upon itself I reckon.
You want an independent Scotland to stand for something good in the world? Then hold out your hand to that world and be a friend.
Petition signed and climbing fast.
@Pete,
Not by the majority of Americans. Clinton won popular vote. It is relevant.
I don’t care much whether President Trump has a state visit or not. If England wants him to have a state visit then that’s OK by me…….provided……Her Majesty makes it clear she is speaking as Elizabeth II of England, not Elizabeth I of Scotland.
“Also, there’s been plenty folks on here wanting to disenfranchise foreigners voting in Indy ref2.”
Liar.
Article on the petition now in the Herald.
@One_Scot says: 29 January, 2017 at 1:10 pm:
“It is almost laughable seeing how desperate the Twatter Yoons are flapping about panicking screaming ‘there is no appetite for IndyRef2’.”
“Ah Dinna ken aboot hungert bit Ah dae hiv ae muckle drouth.”
Owersettin intil Inglis-“I don’t know about hungry but I do have one great thist”.
Pete says:
29 January, 2017 at 3:48 pm
Can’t really see what all the fuss is about.
Is that because the barracks windaes are dirty, perhaps??
There’s Pete trying to beat us over the head with what other posters on here say. So obvious is it not?
Petition duly signed. 333,218 at the moment.
An interesting document is the American Declaration of Independence. It has a detailed charge sheet against King George that would be apt today, both in Scotland and in the USA. With a little editing it could be a template for the coming campaign.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither…
etc
link to ushistory.org
Left a link to the petition on the Washington Times to see how the Trumpanzees would bite…
Trump claims these executive orders are to ensure no ‘terrorists’ enter the US, he’s attempting to mask the true aim which is to ban Muslims, he can’t state that because that’s unAmerican, on the grounds of religious freedom and that citizens there have that protected according to their written constitution.
Here’s the problem though Pete…the 9 countries that are specifically banned have never attacked of killed any American citizens in the past 30 years from ’75 to ’15, but a handful of countries that have attacked America and its citizens, over that same period and absolutely meet the criteria of ‘terrorists’ have not been banned?
So he’s not acting on what he stated, he’s lying through his teeth and no one but numpties like you are falling his pish.
Oh, there’s also the unedifying problem regarding Trump’s business empire. The fact that those countries that do ‘fit’ the terrorist profile have no Trump businesses within their borders, but everyone one of those countries that do not ‘fit’ that terrorist profile has, poses a real conflict of interest question that I’m pretty sure lawyers are going to have a field day with too:
But don’t you let those little facts get in the way of your sucking up (condoning) to one of the most racists POTUS’s that has ever been ‘democratically’ elected in the good ole US of A.
Donald Trump to visit Glasgow?
Really?
Memo to “Empire Biscuits”
YOUR GOING TO NEED A BIGGER RICKSHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Thepnr
Apparently they’ve been having problems:
“We want you as a new recruit“
Netherlands welcome Heil Trump. Great country, not run by planet toryboy.
link to youtube.com
Well I won’t sign the petition.”Embarrass the Queen?”. To me the entire Royal establishment is an embarrassment. Remember Cameron saying – the Queen purred on learning of the Indy vote?
Seems Mo Farah, a Knight of the Realm, has a problem too.Somali born, who lives with his family in Oregon, USA. Does he receive Lottery funding I wonder?
Trump? I’m not a fan but better him than Clinton. The body count to date is 61 people close to the Clintons who have died. Assassinations, heart attacks, drowning. Check it out. Clinton on Assange, “Can’t we take him out?”.
There is much happening and troubling,in the world on a global scale, and in our UK politics. Suggest we focus on supporting the Indy campaign where we do have influence.
Remembered that wrong, it is of course:
“They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit“
Whichever way you look at it Trump won the election under the US rules fair and square.
It’s no use bleating on about the popular vote. It means nothing.
Many say FPTP is unfair in the UK elections but that’s the rules.
uKIP have just 1 MP but stacks of votes.
He is doing what he said he would in double quick time unlike most politicians who promise lots but deliver little.
In any case, it’s only a temporary ban and the countries are those identified as being problematic under the Obama administration.
Just wish we could do the same.
You either believe in world citizenship or national borders.
You can’t have both.
I believe in nation states being in control of their borders with a strict definition of refugee status
It would seem that just about anyone can be a refugee .
Germany opened its borders and we can all see the result.
Reality check, please.
Derek Bateman – We are disengaging from the world’s most influential grouping of civilised nations…
As I posted above, focus on what we can influence.
@Ronnie says: 29 January, 2017 at 2:01 pm:
” … Is that the reason they cannot seem to comprehend that, to the rest of the world’s populations, some 7 billion people, they are the ‘foreigners’.”
The fact is that to the Englanders, and the USAsian Americans who see themselves as the only Americans and think the Far North Inuit, Canadians, Mexicans and Central and South Americans as foreigners in America. Not to mention the native Americans from USAsian parts as foreign to the USA have more derogatory terms for others than any other nations on Earth.
Jocks, Swearties, Paddies, Micks, Taffs, Ragheads, Wogs, Toerags not to mention the USAsians call the English Limeies and the English call the USAsians Yanks.
So you are indeed right, Ronnie and they don’t see themselves as the foreigners when they are not in their own country.
You will note I coin the term, “USAsian”, for the citizens of the USA.
Try it sometime. Their immediate reaction is, “I’m not an Asian”. Then you say, “I didn’t say you were – I said you were a, “USA – sian, i.e. a person from the USA”.
They may then say, “I don’t like that it sounds too much like Asian”. To which you then reply, “So just what’s wrong with Asians”?
Now’s your chance, if they called you, “Jock”, to say, “Would you prefer if I called you Yank”?, (Unless of course they are a, “Yankee”).
Mind you, you really have to try and keep a straight face too.
@velofello
It’s cross-party, and that helps bring people together in a common cause.
Who cares about the monarchy, either way?
@Pete
Whichever way you look at it Trump won the election under the US rules fair and square
Which is true enough, Pete, while at the same time, it also reflects badly on American politics in general. For someone to be voted in by stating extreme viewpoints of building walls, demanding other nations pay for it, starting trade wars, denouncing an entire religious group, wanting to create an arms race …isn’t the type of political leader to be standing on the world stage, let alone the most powerful nation on the Earth.
But as you say, Americans voted for him
…but at the same time, the rest of the world doesn’t need to bow down, grovel or even adhere to him. We can talk to him, but if his rhetoric becomes vitriol, then we should step away. If Trump wants to begin trade wars, then I’m sure the rest of the world could band together and refuse to trade with America. It would only take hours, if not minutes, before American companies would be banging on the White house door demanding Trump’s head. As we were told 2 and half years ago during our Referendum, it’s the economy, stupid.
If the American people themselves don’t bring Trump to heel, then certainly American Companies will. This is an American problem, and it will be solved by the American in general.
England can brown-nose Trump if it wants. I can’t see most European nations doing the same as England. Best for Scotland to continue building bridges, as opposed to walls, with Europe.
@velofello
I couldn’t give a toss about embarrassing Queenie, I want to see this getting debated. Then we’ll see just who “gets embarrassed” 🙂
@Pete
“fair and square” . A masonic code surely.
But
Cambridge analytica helped.
link to motherboard.vice.com
@Conan
I couldn’t give a toss about embarrassing Queenie, I want to see this getting debated. Then we’ll see just who “gets embarrassed”
I agree. I’m just Royalist and no more (because I can’t abide the idea of a President Blair or Brown), but yep, I want to see this ‘Global Britain’ nonsense completely trashed, tarnished and mocked. If this is another weapon in the arsenal to convince soft No voters that Westminster and its Establishment have lost the plot, then yep …so be it! Let’s get this debated so we can show the other half of Scotland what type of politician leads them, and just what a post-EU UK is going to look like.
First time posting here! Love lurking and reading your routine deft demolition of the MSM merde, Rev. But unforunately I’m tempted into posting today because this whole schtick manufactured by the SNP about Scotland being a tolerant haven of doughy-eyed social justice progressives is becoming a tad unbearable, and obv not borne out by the polling statistics from recent past years that showed that the same percentage of Scots wanted a reduction in immigration as the fascist Little Englanders (49%).
Now, I appreciate that on one hand there’s the same ageing population/pensions/university fees problem that immigration helps solve, and on the other a very rewarding experience of scoring political points against the Tories and their dog-whistle tactics, from a comfortable situation of by virtue not having responsibility for decisions on immigration.._yet, so it’s not as if you can be honest about the issue at this point; but it’s probably best to leave it alone, as this BS will put off a huge number of those edging to ‘Yes’. Now the dividing bell has long since rung, and this shitshow could finally end with independence, don’t jinx it it with unnecessary posturing, please!
Wise words from @Idrees Ahmad
‘To set up a competition between Muslims as to which one of their countries is more terroristic is a moral and political cul-de-sac’
The tragedy of Aleppo on Obama’s watch
link to theguardian.com
A round up of the implications of Trumps policies- most opinion is not favourable
‘The results portend a dark era of regional hegemonies over collective problem-solving as impulses for national solutions to global threats take precedence. How ironic that, as the world gets smaller and the demand for cross-border solutions grows, the most powerful country in the world has decided to build walls and run for the hills’
link to brookings.edu
From Jeff Halper- someone who understands how peace can be achieved in the Middle East because, believe it or not, there are Israelis and Palestinians that can comprehend a peaceful future that is not delivered at the end of a gun or bomb blast- but the media very rarely publish that. They are more comfortable broadcasting the empty rhetoric of those who do not live within the kill zone
link to middleeastmonitor.com
One thing that we can conclude from recent events is that we need not refer to the USA for guidance on democratic processes (nor its new soul mate UKOK) and Scotland should continue forging ahead with its progressive democratic ideals, link in with other like- minded countries and show the world what joined up politics and democracy looks and sounds like.
Fair and square sounds like something a squaddie would says, is pete a member of the 77th brigade?
Trump petition now approaching half-a million signatures.
I feel nothing but contempt for Zahawi. He and his party are all about destroying any aspect of empathy within society, and its working.
Da’esh will be having one huge celebration right now, as well as busy picking off new followers, for fresh recruits. All aided and abetted by the UK.
Let’s not forget, that exactly a year ago Tasmina managed to get a debate in the House, asking to ban Trump from visiting, based at that time on his hate speech about Muslims.
SNP were laughed at, and much of the Tory rhetoric was about free speech and inviting Trump to be persuaded by British values of tolerance.
Then May commenced her desperate world tour of tyrants, as fast as her skinny legs could carry her.
May had to be pressured to denounce the Muslim ban, of course she did, she invented the go home vans.
Anyone in Scotland still supporting this Union? If you are, for shame. Utterly vile and disgusting, and Scotland will be properly fcked over, just as soon as we forget this bump in the road to Brexegeddon, and get back to laughing at the Labour party.
The Telegraph is reporting @ 16:39 TankGirl saying :
“State visits are designed for both the host, and the head of state who is being hosted, to celebrate and entrench the friendships and shared values between their respective countries.
A state visit from the current president of the United States could not possibly occur in the best traditions of the enterprise while a cruel and divisive policy which discriminates against citizens of the host nation is in place.
I hope President Trump immediately reconsiders his Muslim ban.”
If that’s true then unionist or not – well said.
Signed petition re Trump – now over 435,000. Sorry if this has been passed by the time I posted!
Now Ruth Davidson has joined the anti Trump fray calling for a ban on his state visit.
Should she not stick to her “day job”? Or is she beginning to worry about the Tory image of being in a speshal relashunship with Trump? Of course, she never puts Tory it Conservative on any literature!
Of course, if May personally was to contact Trump after their much “trumpeted ” meeting and put pressure on him over UK citizens with dual citizenship with the “banned” countries, it might jeopardise the great trade. deal promised by Trump who puts America first!!
Amazing how in such a few hours the “success” of the visit goes wrong!!
Nice to see the brittishers being wrong footed again. Trump might even extend ban and stringent criteria for entry to the brits and others next. Those who criticise him are deemed to be enemies and doomed. A new North Atlantic Wall on the USA’s eastern seaboard?
Heedy @ 4:29
The Netherlands is my home now and I can’t think of any good reason to move away. That’s such a good video as well. The alsfluitdijk isn’t far from me and it’s very impressive. One thing I’ve noticed is that talking about politics isn’t even remotely taboo, Geerts Wilders is hated roughly as much as Trump is and nobody believes that Scotland will be dragged out of the EU. Nobody.
Vestas
The Unionists and Trump do have shared values. Haven’t you read the article above?
With a debate in WM now likely, the SNP should table a motion, condemning Trump’s (selective) muslim ban on US travel.
Let’s see where all the yoon parties stand on this.
For, Against or abstain?
Watch em squirm. 🙂
Nice bit of Karma to see this BritNat Uncle Mohammed get hoisted by his own petard.
Shame.Not.
Ah well, Tweet from Ruth Davidson:
“State visits are designed for both the host, and the head of state who is being hosted to celebrate and entrench the friendships and shared values between their respective countries.
“A state visit from the current President of the United States could not possibly occur in the best traditions of the enterprise while a cruel and divisive policy which discriminates against citizens of the host nation is in place.
“I hope President Trump immediately reconsiders his Muslim ban.”
link to twitter.com
Oh Dear, TM’s wonderful PR trip to Trumpland seems to have backfired rather badly. If WM refuse a vote on condemning Trump’s muslim ban, then let’s have one at Holyrood.
The yoons need to be pinned down on this.
Table a motion and watch em squirm. 🙂
Who’s this Pete fella? Have the unionists had to delegate troll work on this forum because they can’t keep up?
Careful Ruthie,
You could scupper the Brexit-Trump trade deal.
If you believe sincerely what you tweeted, then you will have no qualms about embarassing your boss and voting for a Holyrood condemnation of the muslim ban? Right?
Hello?
Trump’s Bitch all over the place on this one, initially saying a matter for USDHS and Trump alone.
Now on the wrong side of public opinion, yet again, scrambling around for a position she hopes the Tory dead tree scrolls can spin to her advantage.
Ever get the feeling she’s not long for the job?
I think you might find that his popularity amongst the general public might rise.
Just remember that posters on here have nowhere like the views of the mass of voters.
A point we should remember for Indy ref 2.
Most people, even those with left wing economic tendencies are socially right wing.
Trump goes down well with a lot more than may be imagined.
Folks
Don’t be naive about what Ruth is doing for ‘Big T’, she is out on recon for her masters voice. Testing the water, supplying a convenient hook.
You know how they operate by now. No way would Ruth do that without London’s blessing, because if it was genuine, it would have been out there first crack of dawn.
I don’t trust anything Davidson says and does. She’s a britnat; she’ll always put Westminster before Scotland.
A guy on ya tube saying Trumps reneged on the $221 million Obama was giving Palestine for humanitarian aid. The USA have given Israel an extra $43billion(mostly for defence),against what?? stones!
so it looks like the Zionists are controlling the “Puppet”, then again his older kids are married to Zionists.
Nothing like “Keeping it in the family” as they say in Red Neck county.
Leader of the free world?
NOT IN MY NAME.
Petition signed, pity it’s not banning him from entering UK/European airspace..
That petition is about to hit the half-million…
So, immigration was only okay when Zahawi came over from Iraq to have the opportunity at a better life but it’s not okay now for some reason? This guy is an idiot and a complete hypocrite.
Lol @ the no campaign and no voters, “concerned” that Scotland/SNP would make England “foreigners.” They use the word in such a harsh context and have turned the word into such a negative thing…
BUT, the UK’s closest allies and closest “friends”, the great United States of America ban people from the UK who are Muslim, making Muslim British citizens “foreigners.” Why isn’t this being condemned as much as when they were condemning Yes voters/Scotland/SNP?
The entire no campaign are complete hypocrites but of course, the hardcore no voters will still be in denial, making them even bigger hypocrites than the no campaign itself.
@Ian
Yay! 500,000.
That’s the 500,000 mark passed – it took 11,861 signatures in the last 11 minutes.
It’s okay folks, Boris Johnson is on the phone to Trump’s son-in-law as we type.
Bwaa bwaa, now look here, bwaa bwaa, Churchill, bwaa bwaa, old chap, bwaa bwaa bwaa, Eton, bwaa bwaa bwaa, special re… Hello? Hello there? Bwaa!
Yup pete ignoring my accusation that he is a member of 77th, ergo he is a paid squaddie troll.
Zahawi merits further investigation for other activities to enhance his wealth. Google his name and Gulf Keystone Petroleum. Serious suspicions that he has been complicit in activities that have cost a lot of small private investors a lot of money while earning him tens of thousands a month for doing nothing to benefit the company. Whiff of corruption around the whole thing.
Yup pete ignoring my accusation that he is member of 77th, ergo he is a paid squaddie troll.
@ Gary45%
Like all presidents he’s certainly a puppet (and the least convincing one yet), but I doubt Zionists are the master. Just business as usual. Quid pro quo.
Are you sure it’s an extra $43 billion, and not just that as the total annual ‘gift’?
merkel has to explain Geneva Convention on phone to Trump. I’m speechless
See BBC reporting shortbread headlined the Fundraiser to get the Glasgow Yooni Vet back from Costa Rica no mention of who organised and photo of fundraising page cropped so you could not see the words Women for Independence.
Will the petition hit 1000000 before midnight?
What shall Wee Nicola say to Teresa tomorrow at Cardiff meet-up?
SIR Mo Farah is on a training camp in Ethiopia, has lived in ‘murica for 6 years.
Born in Somalia.
Currently trying to find out if he can get home to see his children.
Theresa May….”American immigration policy is America’s business..”
Must be a comfort to Mo Farah’s wife and kids.
Conservatives tweek “Support for another referendum on independence prior to Brexit has fallen to just 27%“. From a Sunday Times poll.
These polls are just conducted to get propaganda fodder.
If someone polled me and asked, “Should IndyRef2 occur before Brexit?”, right now, I wouldn’t have a clue what to say. It depends on so many things which have still to happen.
If the question was, “If you knew that the Scottish offers of compromise had been rejected and Brexit was going to be hard, should IndyRef2 occur before Brexit?”, then my answer would be, “definitely”.
If the question was, “If you knew that the Scottish offers of compromise had been rejected, Brexit was going to be hard, and the EU had given no promises of membership, should IndyRef2 occur before Brexit?”, then my answer would be, “probably”.
If Brexit is an unlikely soft, then the case for IndRef2 may disappear for the immediate future.
If the EU were to make offers of continued membership, and perhaps financial assistance for the new state, and Brexit was squaring up to be awful, I would say, “ASAP”.
Now, that was all about timing. I am a YES under all circumstances. However, many folks will be YeS or NO, as these different possibilities unfold.
Questions, with background scenarios, are just mischief making!
Woudln’t surprise me if the epetitions website is working at full cpacity, as it’s still at the rate of 1,300 per minute and 78,000 an hour. If it was enhanced since 7 months ago, I’d guess it’s on 2 different servers, one to service the front-end webpage, and another to chuck out confirmation emails and process the returns.
link to archive.is
The epetitions website crashed 7 months ago.
534,586 @ 6.46pm
Governor of Washington @GovInslee delivers speech at Seattle Airport gate on Trump refugee ban
link to youtube.com
@Robert Kerr
If it is working at full capacity it would be short of the million, maybe 950,000, if people kept trying. On the other hand it could be the count catching up.
link to tinyurl.com
I’ve just been reading a review of the film ‘Loving’ The way things are going I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump re-introduced the the ‘anti-miscegenation law’.
WE are continually bombarded with the ‘fact’ that TRump is a Billionaire.
While the total assets of the spider web of multiple assorted enterprises to which his n ame is attached may exceed $1Billion nobody ever asks what the liabilities.
I suspect that he is sitting on a pretty large debt mountain.
Just what are the borrowings of his empire?
I don’t know how much he has ‘Invested’ in his Menie Golf Project but he boasted of a $200 Million investment at Turnberry.
Are we supposed to think that he just put his hand in his back pocket for that lot or is the whole thing being financed by borrowing.
Is it not time that somebody did a bit of investigation and established his net worth.
link to caltonjock.com
galamcennalath
That poll concludes concludes that there has small increase in support for independence to 46%. They are looking specifically at a snap poll the preempts what Brexit means. No one is suggesting that and Nicola has all but ruled it out but the Conservatives spin that small part of the data-set to make it look like no one is interested. The actual independence question makes it quite clear that the gains of the 2012-2014 campaign far from dissipating are still edging upwards. That is what frightens them. They know it is still in the balance and they could lose. Hence the desperate demands to rule out another vote.
Very bad timing on the part of Theresa May to plan her trip to HeilTrumpland on the day he introduced the ban on Muslims entering the USA.
@One_Scot
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We don’t: a corrupt and failing electoral system and a corrupt political class are what allow those people to control our lives.
Most of you have probably seen this recent poll but for those who haven’t:
link to scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk
@Stu Mac
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Oh and a corrupt and biased MSM as well.
A can of worms..?
Aye, mibbies more like a can of elephants.
Guid luck wae putting them back in their can, ssson.
Mon the petition!
@ galamcennalath 6.47
WoS said that in the 10th paragraph it states that Yes is at 46% although panelbase haven’t published yet.
I think all this Trump/Mayhem stuff is distracting and Brexit is fine as far as it goes but, I feel we should never let it be forgotten what the Tories are actually doing to us. People can get forgetful/accepting of a ‘little bit here and a little bit there’ stealth stuff.
However, a bit of good news? Hopefully. Maybe somebody could archive I don’t know how to sorry.
link to theguardian.com
If the Trump visit does go ahead I presume that as usual with such visits there will be a spectacular State Banquet at Buck House with all the usual suspects in attendance.
I look forward to seeing Trump sitting beside Betty while Phil sits beside and ogles Melania. The expression on Betty’s face will be interesting to see.
Such an occasion will be a wonderful opportunity for a massive protest demonstration in front of Buck House and stretching back along The Mall.
Russian spy who leaked details on trump video found dead in car
link to archive.is
Donald trumps advisors don’t believe him on russia and sitting in on phone calls
link to palmerreport.com
Rogue potus staff twitter leaking staff before its announced
link to twitter.com
Heil Farage. Well its Eddie Hitler now. They don’t seem like that monicar UKIPers, so how about Eggie Jitler.
link to cbsnews.com
@Ruby
Very bad timing on the part of Theresa May to plan her trip to…
Actually it’s not if you believe in the old saying, that ‘those the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad’
For Theresa, her career, her ‘Global Britain’ brand, her US Trade Deal are all going up in flames.
And waiting in the wings waiting for a quiet word – The Queen, the EU, half the UK electorate, Nicola Sturgeon… LOL. It’s f***** priceless!
And what is she suggesting to do to solve this mess? She’s sending Boris and Amber Rudd to speak to US delegates to ask for British citizens to be made exempt from the exclusion! Seriously WTF …LOL!!
Talk about digging a hole. Theresa’s not using a spade; she’s using a JCB. What she is proposing means that she STILL ACCEPTS Trumps controversial decision. It means that she is bricking it big time in so many ways as it must mean that everything hinges on this US trade deal. If the UK electorate win, and Trump gets barred from meeting the Queen (or even coming to the UK – he may just take the huff), then that’s the end of the UK-US trade deal. That leaves Theresa with nothing …nada …hee-haw. She’ll be at the absolute mercy of the EU, who will no doubt, be very, very angry with the UK’s actions since her ‘Hard Brexit’ announcement just under 2 weeks ago. Hard Brexit …get ready for ‘Iron Brexit’. They will throw the kitchen sink at the UK if it has nothing as a backup plan. If ever the EU wanted to show its citizens the consequences of leaving the EU …then it will make a severe example of the UK. What perfect timing!
This is her 3rd mistake on the trot on this matter! She is going to get flayed for this by the International Community. I can’t recall of ever seeing a politician creating as many mistakes in just one day!
Liz Rannoch says:
link to archive.is
“Theresa May’s planned laws for countering extremism and terrorism are close to being shelved because the proposed legislation has failed to provide a clear definition of the problem it is intended to address.“
WOS archive links for the remainder of April 2013 now over on O/T.
Undeadshaun, this is getting really interesting now…roguepotustaff seems to be being treated as a legitimate ‘source’…they’ve ‘scolded Louise Mensch’ claiming she just wants their ‘ID’s’ confirmed. If there is half a truth about Trump being blackmailed, ye gotta figure that dossier is legitimate. Very strange going’s on behind the scenes in the Whitehouse.
At least we can take some comfort that there seem to be many more than may appear on the face of it, within the WH who are seriously concerned about what he’s doing?
I’ll be keeping an eye on that rpotusstaff account, cheers for the link.
Trump has implemented a policy that he promised during the campaign.He has kept his promise.
Calling him names and signing a petition may make some people feel better but over 62 million Americans supported him.
Lots of weeping and wailing but in due time things will ease off
Thanks a lot galamcennalath.
Petition now 601908.
geeo says:
601,550 @7:46pm
@ Liz Rannoch
To archive (on a PC – don’t know if this works with phones):
Go to link to archive.is
Instead of copying the URL of your article here, copy it into the box on archive.is
Click “save the page”
The article will load, and a new URL will be generated within archive.is
For your link, this is link to archive.is
Your link is to a page of articles about terrorism, though; archiving the specific one about Theresa’s bill generates link to archive.is
(This happens automatically after clicking on the article within the archived version of the whole page, no need return to the Guardian. In fact, I never went directly to the G at all, just copied from your post.)
I believe that if someone else later tries to archive a more recent version of the same article, a new archive number will overwrite the first one (after a warning). There is an alternative version of the archive site that preserves older archiving, but I cannot remember what it is; no doubt someone else will enlighten us!
Watch and learn ian m. Watch and learn.
@ Liz Rannoch
As I expected while writing such a screed, galamcennelath got there first (in terms of generating the link).
Maybe that’s why it appeared when I clicked the article! I assumed it was automatic, but perhaps it only happened because of his earlier action. That would make more sense; usually if you click on an archived article you are taken back to the source website.
Post hasn’t appeared so I’ll try again.
Thanks a lot galamcennalath.
Petition now 608937
Ian m@7.40
I think even the most ardent red neck banjo players will be pretty disgusted with Trump, (well some) he may be implementing policies, but it’s the way he is “doing business” that’s the problem.
Treating the world like a TV game show is not the way to go about it.
What threat will he impose regarding the off shore wind farm off the Menie coast line.
me @ 7.52 Patience woman, patience.
@ galamcennalath & crazycat
..as my hand swooshes over my head. I’ll read another 1/2 dozen times and then try it! Thanks.
OT
Notice Aberdeen football club are anxious not to lose their excellent right winger, Johnny Hayes. Should they do so, then they have a plethora of candidates locally from which to choose, going by the correspondents on the letters page of Saturday’s P&J. Only problem is that they must have excellent skills, be part of a team that benefits from sharing, being unselfish, & most of all, fitting in with aims of the vast majority who are somewhat forward thinking & striving for success. (Ref: SG & WM elections).
On second thoughts, forget it. Hold on to Hayes.
JLT says:
29 January, 2017 at 7:33 pm
@Ruby
Very bad timing on the part of Theresa May to plan her trip to…
Actually it’s not if you believe in the old saying, that ‘those the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad’
Ruby replies
I should perhaps have put a 🙂 after my remark about bad timing.
misteralz says:
29 January, 2017 at 5:27 pm
Heedy @ 4:29
Totally love Holland. Completely glorious country. Huge Dutch influx to Aberdeen with Shell, really special people. If Scotland can become anything like the Netherlands, in the next 25 years…
Another tory BBC grotesque, watching them trying to Farage a beo fascist scumbag like Geerts Wilders. Really twisted tories running the BBC now. Even C4 news gits do it. BetterTogether fascism basically.
The question I have re all these world trade deals is what is it the RUK sell to the rest of the world?
Ian m
At last, somebody with some sense.
I suppose we are so used to politicians prevaricating that we can’t get used to someone doing what they said.
The reason folks in Scotland are not keen on another referendum is that NS keeps threatening but does nothing about it.
Eventually, she will lose all credibility.
She should take a leaf out of Trump’s book and put up or shut up!!
628,245 signed!
Ruby, Whisky,Gin Oil and Gas, Shellfish
Pete says:
29 January, 2017 at 4:39 pm
Whichever way you look at it Trump won the election under the US rules fair and square.
Without causing you to have more kittens with your trollshmanship, the west is still democratic and everyone has the absolute to criticise Heil Trump, right from the get go.
Cant be any more straight forward Pete.
The reason folks in Scotland are not keen on another referendum is that NS keeps threatening but does nothing about it.
Eventually, she will lose all credibility.
She should take a leaf out of Trump’s book and put up or shut up!!
Very poor trollsmanship Pete. Folks in Scotland are very keen on another referendum, which is why yoon culture is screaming, not another referendum.
Lenny Hartley says:
29 January, 2017 at 6:28 pm
“”merkel has to explain Geneva Convention on phone to Trump. I’m speechless””
…………….
I hope it was a video link because she probably had to draw pictures to get him to understand it.
Lenny Hartley says:
29 January, 2017 at 8:13 pm
Ruby, Whisky,Gin Oil and Gas, Shellfish
Ruby replies
Are you winding me up Lenny?
Don’t you worry, Pete.
It’s coming yet, for a’ that
If 46% of voters want Independence how can Unionists claim nobody wants a 2nd IndyRef.
I think it’s time to let all Unionist uttering go in one ear and out the other.
Jebus.
Pulled that into focus. Clarity.
Rev – Thanks.
Ruby says:
29 January, 2017 at 8:26 pm
If 46% of voters want Independence how can Unionists claim nobody wants a 2nd IndyRef.
Good question, where’s Pete right the now?
ian m says:
29 January, 2017 at 7:40 pm
Trump has implemented a policy that he promised during the campaign.He has kept his promise.
Calling him names and signing a petition may make some people feel better but over 62 million Americans supported him.
Lots of weeping and wailing but in due time things will ease off
Problem with that load of shite, he’s selective on which Muslims he lets in, which is just the start of how much of a bawbag Heil Trump is.
But wait, its OK, Heil Trump’s decided British Muslims are nice, again.
Boris Johnson ?@BorisJohnson 8m8 minutes ago
More
Statement on what the Presidential exec order on inbound migration to US means to Brit nationals/dual nationals.
BoJO to the rescue.
Support for another referendum on independence prior to Brexit has fallen to just 27%
That is a bit of a skewed poll is it not asking about prior to Brexit,i bet the tories had hoped it would come in higher than that,its a trick question in that you do not get a definition of what they mean by prior to brexit,before A50 is signed or after,since most Scots understand that A50 must take place first before brexit can happen.
I have noticed they do not want to split the two and only use brexit.
I wonder what response you would get for after A50 is signed.
Never forget that right now at this very moment is the best time for the yoons to have indyref2,the best time for us to have it is after A50 is signed.
Its a double faced strategy if they can get us to have indyref2 before A50 they can use indyref2 to kick A50 into the long grass by claiming an internal constitutional referendum keeping the EU out of it,this we can not let happen or we will be robbed they have no other option but to try they are in too deep.
So no matter how much they poke you or scream have indyref2 now in your face just laugh at them and say after your boss signs A50 eejit.
@Pete
Patience Pete, patience. I know from your previous postings you’re desperate to escape the 77th and move to Scotland to get a real job and escape the ravages of May, but you’ll just have to wait a bit longer.
The claim being made by Nadin Zahani isn’t that he has dual nationality but that he is being banned because he was born in Iraq.
Petition at 666k, the number of the beast!!!!
Amazing watching it spin up like a one armed bandit.
Hey Wingers, looking for a post on here, a few months back, maybe Sept or Oct. Was about the jews being rounded up on the channel islands and handed over to the nazis, with “bobbies” doing the work.
Have tried searching using terms “channel islands”, “jews”, “police”, etc but cant seem to find the post. Any one remember it?
Hi yesindyref2 at 4:39 pm.
“Remembered that wrong, it is of course:
“They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit“”
I guess you’re alluding to this ‘classic of its genre’, or umma wrang?
link to youtube.com
Pete will be at the NAAFI canteen for his tea break.
He’ll be back.
Patience for us and him
Oh my giddy feckin aunt…..pity that ‘special’ relationship forgot to add The Donald into the equation.
It is not so much that they are all QUEUING UP …..to do deals ……more like they are all feckin DOUBLING UP…..with laughter…… Lol
Jeezo how daft would the people of Europe be NOT to be inspired to follow the same path as Brexit & Trumperica…..cause what the feck do they have to lose ? Why I cannot even contemplate them NOT considering this is the best option for them…..I mean look how well it is going for Brexit & Trumperica.
Please pretty please people in Europe (France,Germany & Netherlands) restore my faith and please choose wisely………….GIRFU …………when you vote this year.
Ruby, Heil Trump’s no like Iraq Islam. Saudi Islam nice, some are nice, some are not, it depends really, on where the Pres business interests lie.
link to independent.co.uk
But business is business.
ian m @ 19:40
…but in due time things will just get worse and worse, more like.
Maybe you’re referring to Trump’s worst-ever approval ratings after just one week on the job. (Heading south towards half of Obama’s after 8 full years?) Hard to get worse, true, but I’m sure he’s tryin’.
What’s the current betting odds of Trump’s impeachment or other “early retiral”, eh?
As for the leader article, a fine illustration of another wise old saying: “what goes around comes around”.
We just have to get out of “51st-statist” England before that comes around. (Secretly lusted after by all those who claimed to be against a federal union, duh!) Or out before we get sucked into TTIP-on-steroids via one of Trump’s bilateral “special relationships”!
ian m @ 19:40
…but in due time things will just get worse, more like.
Maybe you’re referring to Trump’s worst-ever approval ratings after just one week on the job. (Heading south towards half of Obama’s after 8 full years?) Hard to get worse, true, but I’m sure he’s tryin’.
What’s the current betting odds of Trump’s impeachment or other “early retiral”, eh?
As for the leader article, a fine illustration of another wise old saying: “what goes around comes around”.
We just have to get out of “51st-statist” England before that comes around. (Secretly lusted after by all those who claimed to be against a federal union, duh!) Or out before we get sucked into TTIP-on-steroids via one of Trump’s bilateral “special relationships”!
Hi Alan Mackintosh at 8:50 pm.
You typed,
“Hey Wingers, looking for a post on here, a few months back, maybe Sept or Oct. Was about the jews being rounded up on the channel islands and handed over to the nazis, with “bobbies” doing the work.”
Is this what you seek?
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Alan Mackintosh
Try November 13, 2016. An article called “In Remembrance” might be the one you’re looking for.
@BDTT
LOL. I guess it depends whether he’s in the Brownies, or the Navy or just one of the village people.
Can we adopt him, please? As our mascot? Poor lad will get cold when they kick him out the barracks.
The White House Staff rogue Twitter account has these on the Mayhem’s visit saying Trump said
“I hope she likes us, but she doesn’t have much to offer”
And
“she does what we want, or we go somewhere else”
Some special relationship eh?
The US has been badly run for decades.It is filled with corruption and influence pedaling.It needs a non politician to clean it up.
Trump is not a politician and sees this in a very black and white situation again he is not politically sensitive
Pete, the reason Nicola has not called a 2nd Indy ref is because she wants to establish that Scotland has exhausted every avenue until there are no more options left.
She will make the call when she has to and TM will have forced Indyref2 on Scotland so no moral high ground for Westminster.
She knows better than us how to set the table for success
Alan Mackintosh says:
29 January, 2017 at 8:50 pm
Hey Wingers, looking for a post on here, a few months back, maybe Sept or Oct. Was about the jews being rounded up on the channel islands and handed over to the nazis, with “bobbies” doing the work.
Ruby replies
Is this what you are looking for?
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Ruby it was a serious answer to a serious question 🙂 can’t think of anything else the USA would want from the UK , they ain’t bought anything military since we flogged the Harrier jump jets to them on the cheap, which we might have to buy back as it looks like Trump might cancel the F35 , as he said according to the leaked tweets “she doesn’t have much to offer”
Alan Mackintosh says:
29 January, 2017 at 8:50 pm
Have tried searching using terms “channel islands”, “jews”, “police”, etc but cant seem to find the post. Any one remember
Ruby replies
Lots of replies to your post with me coming last. Just incase you are interested this is the search term I used in Google:
site: wingsoverscotland.com channel island police arrest jews
Trump’s executive order halts visas for 90 days for “immigrants and non-immigrants” from Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Yemen, Iran, and Iraq. The executive order further suspended the entry of all refugees for 120 days, indefinitely blocks Syrian refugees from entering and lowers the ceiling to 50,000 for refugees allowed to enter the U.S. during Fiscal Year 2017.
In 2011 Barrack Obamma suspended immigration from Iraq for 6 MONTHS
Funny I do not remember reading about that ???? or a petition ?
If Trump gets his State Visit, it could be a quick and unusual one.
They’ll Air-Force-One him into Balmoral (by parachute if necessary), give him a round of golf, a venison dinner, then haul his big orange ass back out asap.
No fucking way will they risk a gig at Buck House.
The crowd that gathered there after Diana’s death spooked them more than enough – they can’t, and won’t be able to, police the hundreds of thousands who’ll turn up to ‘welcome’ Trump.
Nigel Farage Retweeted
Alex Jones ?@RealAlexJones 3h3 hours ago
Farage: Trump Elected to Protect America From ISIS link to infowars.com … @DRUDGE #tcot #Trump Not a #MuslimBan
Why would the UKOK freak show leave out the fact that it was Bush and his UK grovellers, that created ISIS?
Now watch this drive.
Lenny Hartley says:
29 January, 2017 at 9:13 pm
Ruby it was a serious answer to a serious question ? can’t think of anything else the USA would want from the UK
Ruby replies
My question was re exports from RUK! Do they make whisky in the RUK? 🙂
I know about the jam & biscuits!
Ruby
They like British cars, Range Rovers, Jags. All owned by foreigners, Tata of India. Hope they’re not Muslims.
Something occurred to me regarding the list of countries. From memory they are the ones listed in the Project for the New American Century, PNAC, which was the blueprint for the destabilisation of the middle east and its reconstruction-by- design of the US neo-cons.
For some reason i suddenly remembered this youtube video,now its a bit conspiracy theory you can make of it what you will,its the information about the past and the players that will shock you.
Lets just say you will not get this in any school history class.
link to youtube.com
lol yes its 3 hours long
The rate of signatories for this petition doesn’t seem to be slowing.
Astonishing stuff.
Aye, okay, we’ve all heard it, and loads of us have said it, that polls and petitions make no difference in the end-up, but this?
It must ‘mean’ something, surely?
link to petition.parliament.uk
@ Ruby.
Zoroastrians.
A number of prominent Indian business people are I believe, descendants of Persian Zoroastrians who settled in India several hundred years ago.
Check out this Zahawi quote from the Andrew Marr show today talking of the Trump ban.
“For the first time in my life, last night, I felt discriminated against,” Zahawi said. “It’s demeaning. It’s sad.”
This creature is a despicable hypocrite.
Ruby, sorry never seen the R, thought you were meaning the UK as it is currently unwritten constituted,
@DerekM –
Ha!
Seriously man, I guessed what video it was before I clicked the link – you mentioning the length of it was the clue.
Yeah, it’s soo-perb, esp the JFK stuff, had never seen that before.
I’m well past the point of caring whether or not anyone decries me as a ‘conspiracy theorist’, and anyone who really believes they know it all about recent history ought to at least watch that before flinging such insults around.
Great link, and I hope some will watch it.
Ruby @ 9.26 pm
Seems they do, or will soon, make whisky in rUK
link to dartmoorwhiskydistillery.co.uk
@Alan Mackintosh –
Great to see you commenting again.
For all I know you may have been doing so every day, but I haven’t been around much so I would’ve missed it.
Anyway, I do believe you’re right about the PNAC stuff. That was their master plan. Mibbes it’s taking them a bit longer than they thought, but they’re still well on the way to destroying the ‘Middle East’ as we currently know it.
‘From the Nile to the Euphrates’, eh?
Well, even if they do get that, you really have to wonder if they’ll ever be content to let anyone live in peace.
BrianDTT, Anne, Ruby, many thanks! Ask and ye shall receive…
@Ian B
Could still make 900,000 by midnight.