The Tranish Inquisition
Something most people don’t know about the infamous Spanish Inquisition is that it was never the Catholic Church that actually executed heretics. Particularly if a prisoner had refused to confess their vile heresy even under torture, the Church instead handed them over to the “mercy” of the state to deliver their end.
So SNP MP Kirsty Blackman (or as we understand some are already calling her, “the Tiny Torquemada“) would have fitted right in with it.
Blackman had the extraordinary audacity today to feign concern over her Westminster (cough) colleague Joanna Cherry after the latter was subjected to yet another serious violent threat following her sacking from the SNP front bench.
Yet fanatical transactivist Blackman has been at the heart of the party’s witch-hunting against Cherry for many months, and on the very same day she was being quoted in the Times demanding that Cherry and anyone like her should be (one might put it) cast out to the mercy of the state as a terrible heretic against the orthodoxy of the transcult.
Indeed, so toxic had Blackman’s behaviour towards Cherry been that Cherry had even had to block her on Twitter, something Blackman took sneering pride in.
So not very many women were buying Blackman’s sudden apparent distress about the welfare of the SNP’s most impenitent gender heretic.
Although of course, the cult still couldn’t quite hide its true face. (Incredibly, some even tried to make Cherry the villain – ambitiously portraying the lesbian MP as a purveyor of “homophobia” – and Blackman the poor injured victim.)
The Spanish Inquisition lasted for 350 years. Kirsty Blackman’s career as a politician will be very much shorter than that, but still not short enough.
It just gets worse, but thankfully it’s out in MSM on politics today and Kenny MacAaskill gave a factual account of what’s going on with leadership and woke trans crowd, shameful what’s happening.
I genuinely fucking despair.
Not a peep from the leader of the free world either
I have every sympathy with Joanna Cherry. Kirsty Blackman is a disgrace to the party and to womanhood. Emma Roddick and Josh Mennie should for right in there if elected – inappropriate behaviour likely if stressed. Holyrood will be a bigger joke than it is.
As for the Transquisition, it’s really showing its bullying, authoritarian nature. I want no part of it.
Clever gang leaders operate at arms length, I am quite sure Kirsty’s Whatapp would be an interesting hell hole to visit.
I am reconsidering my fond recollection of The Rocky Horror Show bigstyle.
@Tom Halliday @ 13h19
Clever gang leaders operate at arms length
Do you see Kirsty as a Paulie ‘Walnuts’ Gualtieri to Tony Sturgeono
Where is Nicola and why no supportive video for Joanna Cherry?
Blackman; yet another SNP university drop out with no qualifications.
Yeah, just the type of well educated, overachiever Scotland needs to capitalise on its vast natural resources & convert them to sustainable jobs while rebuilding our industrial, manufacturing, scientific & knowledge base so that we have substantial wealth to provide an acceptable standard of living for all.
Or a member of the gender gestapo who embraces the role of extreme nanny-state ambassador while screeching puerile accusations at anyone who doesn’t wear their trans ideology politics on their sleeve.
Either of these is fine.
Trump in tartan. “It wisnae me. A big boy dun it an run away”.
The Great Prophets of Python forecast this some decades ago. We just didn’t expect it to happen in Scotland. Something is wrong with the body politic when fiction makes more sense than reality.
Any link to Kenny MacAskill’s account, anyone?
I don’t think we should be surprised at the vile Blackman’s false concern for Cherry, she strike me as a person of very low character and morals.
As does Cherry’s Westminster sacker (Scotland won’t stand for it) Ian Blackford.
I used to think science denying Christian Fundamentalists were weird. Now I think they are positively sane compared to the Woke crowd (of any party).
At least the Fundies know what a men and women are.
Nicola has surrounded herself with these people as a shield to prevent exposure.
It works this way.
You criticise Nicola
They pile onto you on social media for doing that.
You give them as good as you get
They accuse you of A phobic attitude
They circulate it
You are called to answer
Nicola is safe
Rinse and repeat.
I had to go off-line this morning as I was in danger of a rage induced stroke. I hope each and every one of these disingenuous, mendacious bastards get their just desserts.
Nice touch Stu that every tweet posted above is either a woman or anonymous, none (I think) you published were from men, although I’m sure there were plenty of those condemning Krazy Blackman on Twitter.
ambitiously portraying the lesbian MP as a purveyor of “homophobia”
Brilliant.
You begin to wonder. We believe that Scotland has the resources and capability to run a free and open democracy, but the current leadership suggests it has little grasp of the principles of openness, freedom and debate. Personally, I’m not sure I want to bring about a situation where these people have unfettered control of Scotland.
Maybe the prevarication over Indyref 2 is the opportunity for a new start, with new leadership and without the entryists.
We could be forgiven for thinking some folks at high levels in SNP don’t want Independence!
I wonder too, if Peter Murrell has some kind of control over the First Minister???
I mean, she does seem to be unable to deal with this strange group that has infiltrated the SNP.
And we also get the very real impression, this plan against Alex Salmond might have come from him.
Could be wrong, but still, we wonder!
And talking of P.Murrel, we see the Glasgow Herald has a it splash “Sturgeon faces Holyrood vote over husband’s snub to Salmond inquiry” today.
As to this row with Joanna Cherry, it was a needless thing for SNP to do.
Those causing the division within SNP are those flogging this self recognition stuff, and in the manner they are doing it. And as I said previously, this means far more to them than getting Independence.
Our concern must be, it puts enough voters off voting for SNP in May.
We can’t allow the anti Scottish lot, tories, Labour, etc, to get control of that Edinburgh Parliament, but we can’t allow this extremist group to do more damage as same time.
We really do need a proper, half decent alternative pro Independence Party, for the List votes, at least. Then when May is over, we can perhaps aim at at a replacement group for SNP?
@Bob Mack,
Absolutely spot on. What Nicola fails to realise is that once she outlives her usefulness to them they’ll turn on her. They’re not her friends however much smoke they might blow up her arse.
“Nice touch Stu that every tweet posted above is either a woman or anonymous, none (I think) you published were from men”
Yeah, I checked the bios, all women.
Bob- and they are all protecting their MP’s salaries. Because they know if they disagree with Sturgeon they get the chop!
They have a boss who is like Mussolini!
Compare the two situations
Joanna Cherry sacked by Nicola Sturgeon for spite – gets death threats which the Police have taken seriously and moved her to a safe place. Silence from the Scottish Government, very little reaction in the Scottish Media. Nothing from WM, and this after another female MP lost her life not so long ago.
Port staff in Northern Ireland receive veiled threats about their safety, taken off the front line, full investigation, top level discussion between the EU; WM; NI Assembly. Arlene Forster interviewed on TV and radio about this being unacceptable – in fact to quote the BBC “There has been political unity in condemnation of the threats.”
The political leader of a neighbouring country,
Taoiseach(Irish PM) Micheál Martin condemned the “intimidatory tactics”.
“It’s a very sinister and ugly development and, obviously, we will be doing everything we possibly can to assist and defuse the situation,”
Nothing from Boris, Nothing from Ruth, Nothing from Douglas, nothing from Sir Keir and worst of all, absolutely zilch from Nicola Sturgeon, currently the UK’s most popular politician ??- apparently – yet she is happy to stand by as a fellow female politician received death threats as a result of her actions.
Wonder how she would have reacted if a trans colleague received death threats? Oh, I forgot, we saw the video last week about that one, so we know where she stands.
The mask has well and truly slipped Nicola, I am ashamed to call you my First Minister.
Blackman is one of the conveyor belt of vapid spoofs cast aside by Aberdeen City Council.
Kevin Stewart is another who has shit the nest and won’t own-up.
There’s another pair of them at Education Scotland too.
I’m just waiting for Queen Nicolas “unscripted” video message and an SNP statement from Keith Brown and Kirsten Oswald, all condemning the behaviour and actions towards Joanna. Any minute now……a wee bit of patience please……it’ll be here soon I promise…..
Blackman embodies everything that is wrong with the SNP. She gives the petulant children a voice and sees no consequences for using ‘Feelings as Facts’.They egg her on and she likes to liked by them. Expertise and ability are nothing compared to ‘likes’.
No doubt she will retreat into her personal problems as so many of the OutforIndy crowd do when confronted and it dawns on her what she has done. She was not up to her job as deputy Leader and the difference in competence between her and JC is so wide as to be ridiculous when you think of the role she had. Perhaps she got a few home truths as to her abilities and productivity?
Like so many of her ilk she sees clever troublesome women as a problem. Better to all support each other’s incompetence and say how nice they all are. After that is what matters apparently. ‘Be kind’ Kirsty, that is the mantra isn’t it? Except when you are setting the hounds on a colleague with your shrill dog whistle.
I know who I would want in my corner in the existential battle for Scotland and its people and it isn’t a woman who speaks, dresses and behaves like a overwraught toddler.
I understand most of what’s going on within the SNP at the moment except Sturgeon’s self-harming obsession with the trans issue.
What is she gaining from courting a weird fringe group at the expense of a far more mainstream one?
Why does she make a video supporting transpeople whilst not even making a token gesture towards Cherry?
What’s she achieving through this?
@Stuart MacKay –
If you see this, just wanted to put on record my admiration for your sortie into WGD territory yesterday.
Not that it made much difference right enough, but ’twas a noble effort!
😉
Can some one clear something up,for me. Can all paid up members of the SNP vote for a new leader in a leadership election? OH and I allowed our memberships to lapse in December over everything that has happened. I received some emails re renewing, but am not inclined, and OH is adamant he will not renew. However, if there is a leadership election, and were JC to stand, if only members can vote, all those who have resigned will be unable to influence the result. So I am swithering whether to renew or not, solely for this purpose. Can anyone clarify pls?
“The Tranish Inquisition”
A superb headline. It captures the situation perfectly.
Joanna in a `safe space`,
if Grand Inquisitor for The Transactivist Cult has her way there will be no more `safe spaces` for woman.
As a constituent of Blackman, this is one vote she won’t be getting again. I cancelled my membership when the nec stated that Joanna couldn’t run for a msp seat and am absolutely ragin at the latest attack on Joanna. She is one of the few who are worth tuning into the commons for. I am at a loss now regarding the snp as along with many, I honestly don’t know who to vote for in the upcoming H.E. Will probably spoil my ballot and vote ISP if they have a candidate for my area. What a mess
How absolutely awful this all is for Joanna Cherry, I hope the support gives her some comfort.
I am disgusted beyond belief by Nicola Sturgeon.
There a lot of bloody angry people in Scotland right now!
Perhaps KB is a lonely woman – earnestly currying favour with the Wokists the way she does after all her success is something thats quite sad to see. She gets so extreme about it that you wonder if they laugh at her behind her back, they themselves preferring straight off-the-cuff trolling in the main.
Slightly easier to anticipate than the inquisition!
The ideology of the Reformation won, in the end.
🙂
People like Blackman should not be allowed anywhere near politics. She’s a fucking embarrassment.
Boudicca
My understanding is that a “lapsed member” has full voting rights on commencement of payments. However those who have left are out for 2years (I’m sure that rule was waived for those who flounced off).
Check with others for confirmation. I remained trying to make changes. I think we did with the NEC but they just rigged the rules.
Do you really want to give the more money!
Until more people come to accept reality I think Sturgeon would win any vote given the opposition numbers who have left.
I just read that the Tories at Holyrood are suggesting a vote of no confidence in Nicola Sturgeon re Murrells non-appearance at the Fabiani Inquiry.
They’re saying that the Chief Executive, Murrell, works for her and she can therefore compel him to attend.
I only know a fraction of SNP party business as I have never been a member but, having said that, I am perhaps aware of some things that others aren’t. My instictive thoughts on this are that the SNP should ditch both Murrells, Swinney and Wolffe before it’s too late.
You’ll have loads of notice as there is no time for a leadership election before the May election.
Keith Brown will be leader and first minister. It’s in the constitution that deputy leader is SNP candidate for first minister.
@frogesque 1:38
Yep, they’re all ‘God’s’ children. 😉
Murrell works for the NEC. They could compel him to attend …..hollow laugh
Geoff Anderson says:@2.19
Members who have resigned can rejoin, unless they have publically announced their resignation ‘with intent to harm the party’. Obviously that last bit is subject to interpretation by those in decision making positions. There won’t be a leadership election unless NS stands down – there is no process to hold an election, no opportunity to call for a vote of no confidence.
It runs in my mind that somewhere on Wings quite while back there were concerns about Nicola and the history of some SPADs she was surrounding herself with.
Have these concerns come full circle?
@geoff Anderson
They are only out for 2 years if they’ve been judged to have made a public resignation- resigned with intent to harm the party. Which applies to the trans cry babies. And the national Secretary takes note. I won’t bore you with the process. But in general folk will be able to just rejoin.
Boudicca says:
Can some one clear something up,for me. Can all paid up members of the SNP vote for a new leader in a leadership election? OH and I allowed our memberships to lapse in December over everything that has happened. I received some emails re renewing, but am not inclined, and OH is adamant he will not renew. However, if there is a leadership election, and were JC to stand, if only members can vote, all those who have resigned will be unable to influence the result. So I am swithering whether to renew or not, solely for this purpose. Can anyone clarify pls?
Not sure of the answer to this but I’ve resisted cancelling my membership for this very reason, albeit reduced to £3/monthly
The following information might want to be taken into account by Police Scotland when investigating the threats made towards Ms Cherry, and indeed Ms Blackman would be well advised to take stock of it too.
(Please note the below talks of British laws, however the Terrorism laws covering the UK are re-drafted and put through and ratified in the Scottish parliament, in much the same way as Road Traffic Legislation, so the same legislation is legal North and South of the border.)
Terrorism
Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public.
It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.
Examples include:
serious violence against a person or damage to property,
endangering a person’s life (other than that of the person committing the action),
creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public,
action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
It is important to note that in order to be convicted of a terrorism offence a person doesn’t actually have to commit what could be considered a terrorist attack. Planning, assisting and even collecting information on how to commit terrorist acts are all crimes under British terrorism legislation.
Are terrorism cases dealt with differently from other cases?
Terrorism crimes and terrorist-related offences are subject to the criminal justice system in the same way as all other crimes. The CPS reviews the case and makes a charging decision in line with the Code for Crown Prosecutors.
However, terrorism offences are distinct from other types of crime in that individuals who commit terrorism-related offences have political, religious racial and/or ideological motivations, unlike typical criminal motivations, which may be personal gain or revenge, for example.
Could I be prosecuted for Coulrophobia?
I mean clowns are people too.
To think I once campaigned alongside Blackman in 2014. Either she has changed a lot or I was taken by the nice external persona.
Mind you, my OH knew Blackman through Aberdeen City Council and had little positive to say about her (or any of the other young SNP councillors of that era) so perhaps she is simply being true to form.
A la Python, one of the chief weapons of the Tranish Inquisition is The Comfy Chair……or to give her real name, Kirsten Oswald.
@Hugh Wallace – you’re bang-on the money there sir. I think she had a delinquent brother too. Two cheeks of the same Blackman arse.
Leadership elections are held in the Autumn so unless she stands down she can’t be replaced until October
If all the time and effort being spent on this nonsense were to be spent instead on campaigning for Independence just think what a difference that would make to the world and to this web site, free from all the unnecessary vitriol!
In view of the above definition of Terrorism, I’m going to suggest from now on that any supporters of GRA who, at the same time, are also publishing / encouraging physical violence towards those who have concerns about it…
are in fact straying into the definition of terrorism.
I’m also going to draw attention to this part,
‘action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system’,
and ask the question, is there any reason why twitter accounts being draconianly shut down following complaints from these trans ideoligists, does not fall into this defined catagory?
At best I would suggest they could argue, twitter is not an electronic system, but rather an electronic ‘communication’ system.
Thanks for replies. No I don’t want to give them any money, but as seniors the annual sub is £5 I think, so worth hanging onto for the voting rights. If I recall when Corbin was standing they changed the rules in the Labour Party because so many young people were joining to vote him in, and made it more difficult. I wouldn’t put it past our lot to do the same. Maybe I’ll just bide my time then. I don’t want to be a member anymore, but would hate to,lose the opportunity for a vote for a new leader.
Well, that was unexpected.
The women have marked her card and set Blackman straight on every account.
Now we’ll see if she can see her obvious involvement with these horrific threats
and see that the Vast Majority of Women, SNP and Independence supporters are
against her and her cohorts.
Is she happy to see the majority of supporters leave her party in order to uphold this idiocy?
(Probably)
I think everyone will now be familiar with Sturgeon’s strategy by now.
Deflection. She is going to try and ride this out by moving the topic away from whatever scandal she is involved in. Covid -19 was a classic for her. Handed to her on a plate , when her independence strategy was failing.
With the Salmond scandal. She quickly moved to the ” Look a squirrel” strategy of the poor wee trannies getting bullied by a woman.
Then she sacks Cherry to protect herself from a challenger.
I get the horrible feeling she ill try and hang on until the Sheriff officers appear at Bute House.
Can you now imagine how ordinary Germans felt in the 1930’s when their democracy was traduced by a demagogue and the men in brownshirts.
Who would listen to them when they called for aid?
The really fundamental thing that comes out of all this is just how willing some women are to cut the throats of their own sex. It is a particularly disgusting trait in many women, albeit there may well be evolutionary reasons for it, long since past any use.
I’m not saying we should be one monolithic thought stream – we are all individuals – but we really need to get real about where our best interests lie. They do not lie in tearing lumps out of each other. There are more than enough men around who hate us, to do that. We need to start helping each other and networking for the good of our daughters and granddaughters, the future of womanhood. They are under threat from the aims of the trans lobby as never before, and, worryingly, so many just do not see it.
Trans ‘right’ to women’s rights (they have all their own, but they want ours, too) and women’s right to women’s rights are in direct conflict and confrontation is coming on a grand scale. We cannot afford to lose, sisters. There is room for both trans rights and women’s rights if the trans lobby butts out of our rights. They won’t, so they will have to be dragged out bodily. In any case, real problems are just around the corner.
This pseudo ‘woke’ nonsense is so much hysteria in a frock, with a penis beneath it, and it will be buffeted by the cold winds of reality as the post Brexit era kicks in. We won’t have time or energy to pander to middle-class grown-up toddler ennui and boredom, or the indulgence for disruptive tantrums, or for gynaephilia and cross-dressing fetishism and male fantasy masquerading as biology, in the real, harsh light of our post Brexit trauma. Keeping our heads above water will have to come first.
Sturgeon, Murrell, Youssef, Swinney, Evans are saving the Union North if the Border.
Blackford, Blackman, are doing their bit to save the Union south of the Border.
What a shower of rogues.
About a dozen of them have total control over which direction Scotland will go in.
Sturgeon, like Hitler, had a vision for their respective countries.
They also had to be personally in total control over who lived and who died.
Sturgeon and Hitler ALSO had sham marriages to deal with their social status.
Adolf and Eva committed a dual suicide when it all started to unravel.
Will Nicola and Peter follow suit?
I’m sure there will be plenty of helpful suggestions of the best way to go about it when the big day finally arrives.
Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public.
It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.
In what way has the aggressive, misogynistic, violent, abusive, transgender cult, with its acts of slander, censorship, and threatening behaviour (including contacting womans places of work to have them fired)… in what way is this not terrorism?
Is it for political, ideoligical reasons – you bet your hairy arse it is.
Does it intimidate the public?
Oh yes.
Will the femanist First Minister step up now and condemn this sexist misogynistic Terrorist activity? Hmmm?
Hm.
There is, of course, a way for constituents to put in a vote of no confidence in their elected representative – I think they did it in a constituency down south with one of the Tory rebels maybe? I’ve forgotten the details – and I didn’t think it would ever be relevant, what with the SNP being so popular,,,
It might be a petition in the first place – with a certain % of signatures of the constituency electorate – and that triggers (by some mechanism?) a by-election. For MSPs there would be no point (except maybe in one case) because the Holyrood GE is so near, but there is a fair number of years until the uk GE (haha, in theory) – so there IS a possible way to change your mind about an MP – and that one is not someone that should be in charge of anything more complex than boiling an egg.
I don’t know if it’s even near feasible – a look at her majority and ensuring her constituency were fully aware of her behaviour would be needed – for the electorate to pass a vote of no confidence.
I would like to be able to say the SNP wouldn’t ever consider standing her for reelection under those circumstances, but who knows these days.
‘They’re not very bright people; it just got out of hand’. – WATERGATE
‘They’re not very bright people; it just got out of hand’. – SALMONDGATE
Any SNP members able to get some answers from the NEC with regards Leeze.
Who elected Leeze to post?
Is the position a paid one?
What vetting (if any) took place?
Was the position open to other candidates to apply and if so, what qualifications were deemed necessary for the role?
Given recent revelations about publications on twitter from Leeze’s account of a racist, violent, misogynistic, and foulmouthed nature, and also the disclure of an arrest for possession of extremely large quantities of class A drugs – in what way is Leeze a fit and proper person to be on a panel, who have responsibility for selecting Political candidates, who if elected will go on to be instrumental in creating the laws of the land?
Given the revelations, is Leeze still in post? If so, does this not bring the party into disrepute?
And so on and so forth. What a bouroch.
Is there a Law against someone that incites a mob to issue death threats or violence towards anyone?
If there is not then there should be.
Okay, not so straightforward – constituents bringing forward a vote of no-confidence – it’s called the Recall of MPs Act (2015), and has the caveat that (from Wiki):
“Unlike recall procedures in some other countries, the act does not allow constituents to initiate proceedings. Instead, proceedings are initiated only if an MP is found guilty of a wrongdoing that fulfils certain criteria. This petition is successful if at least one in ten voters in the constituency sign. Successful petitions force the recalled MP to vacate the seat, resulting in a by-election.
To date, three petitions have been made under the act; two of these received sufficient signatures to trigger a by-election.”
I have no idea what the certain criteria are that needs fulfilled – or who declares the guilt of whatevever wrongdoing.
It was Joanna Cherry that put Boris in court when he shutdown WM.
Could be he pulled some handler strings and hey presto , Joanna Cherry demoted.
Just before reading this Wings post, i was looking at Denise Findlay’s twitter [she was my replacement for Wings, her and Mr Malky] and saw a comment from an SNP politician on the Cherry death threat.
The thing is i have no idea if that politician is being two faced or not. The state of SNP politicians that we have to do research to see if they are likely to be telling the truth or not. With no detailed knowledge of SNP party how am is supposed to know. One clue might be to see how much hate they are getting from the spoiled brats. From a quick look at the comments to this tweet it looks like she gets about 6 out of 10.
https://twitter.com/FionaHyslop/status/1356520831380303872
But how weird that a casual observer like me hasn’t a clue what they actually mean when it such a life threatening situation.
Blimey just looked at Fiona Hyslop’s twitter and first message is her congratulating Aileen McLeod who as Environmental Minister was a waste of space. She turned up on my list vote and i had to vote for the idiot, through gritted teeth
Bloody hell what a shower.
ISP now has to become a full blown party, surely, it is too late for the SNP now.
@ Contrary at 3.15
You may be referring to recall petitions.
If so, these are not available to an electorate that has merely changed its mind (they could occur every week if so!). Rather, there are very limited circumstances in which they apply.
These include being suspended from the HoC for a certain length of time (Ian Paisley Jr faced one such, but less than 10% of his electorate signed, so he got away with it), or prison sentences (a Labour woman was convicted of pretending her brother was driving when she got a speeding ticket; Labour held the seat in the resulting by-election). There was also a Welsh Tory who had fiddled his election expenses; amazingly he stood as the candidate in the by-election triggered by petition, and duly lost to the LibDems.
There are people talking about a petition to remove Margaret Ferrier, but again, this can only happen if she’s convicted of an offence and receives a custodial sentence. (It’s clear that the Commons is not going to suspend her, and the Met Police are not going to charge her, so it is up to Police Scotland now.)
If there is no chance(internally) to remove her we are depending on Ruth wanting her scalp to sho of in the House of Lords.
If Ruth does not go for her scalp I think we can figure out why.
Otherwise no election I’m May with a clear line of sight to indyref2 this year then out she goes
Does anyone know if she met Boris?
Giesabrek at 1.47 & Rev Stu at 1.55
*sticks a big manly hand up…*
@ James Caithness says:
2 February, 2021 at 3:22 pm
Is there a Law against someone that incites a mob to issue death threats or violence towards anyone?
If there is not then there should be@
Yes James, there is, particularly if they do so for political or ideoligial reasons. See my last posts under Terrorism.
@ Contrary at 3.27
Cross-post!
I have perhaps added a bit to what you yourself discovered, though.
“We see you.”
Now there’s a short pithy and effective political campaigning slogan.
@ Big Jock at 1:56 pm
“They have a boss who is like Mussolini!”
I feel you’re being a bit unfair to Mussolini, he got the trains to run on time
Mussolini favored the complete restoration of state authority,Sturgeon must have been studying him
plus his granddaughter a MEP or was would have field day with the wokists
Mussolini got the trains to run on time.
Sturgeon gets the trans to run and whine.
Think I preferred Mussolini.
Is this a women only space spat?
@Stonefree @Big Jock
Sturgeon’s mentor isn’t Mussolini it’s Joseph Stalin, complete with show trials for political opponents, a climate of terror and a cowed Party. Hopefully she’ll skip the bullet-in-the-back-of-the-head bit but can we be really sure?
The SNP are a party torn apart trying to put on a show of unity that does not exist. Everyone can see what is happening and it lies squarely at NS’ door. She has put personal relationships and loyalty before competence and achieving Independence.
Unfortunately for NS all the ability within the SNP now lies outwith her circle so she has sacrificed her party’s reputation in order to keep her personal and political position. The trouble with that is that useless overpromoted people will eventually let you down and when there is no one left it is only you so your judgement on everything is magnified and you have to go.
So let’s not wait for another inevitable gigantic shitstorm because poor Anne McLaughlin cannot understand her brief or, even worse, the TRAs hear the whistle and actually act on it. Plan your departure Ms Sturgeon and go with some dignity.
“one of the chief weapons of the Tranish Inquisition is The Comfy Chair……or to give her real name, Kirsten Oswald.”
😀
@ Boudicca at 2:05 pm
That is the theory, the party is supposed to be social democratic. From my personal experience and perspective I would say it’s far from that .
Your thought are of no importance indeed you realise you are only there to fill their coffers and to vote as they require you to follow instructions.
I questioned this in 2015.I began after AS stood down.
I believe the ethos of Sturgeon is getting worse
Prasad says:
2 February, 2021 at 3:30 pm
“Blimey just looked at Fiona Hyslop’s twitter and first message is her congratulating Aileen McLeod who as Environmental Minister was a waste of space. ”
I was put off Aileen McLeod when I saw her hugging Ollie Mundell after an event I’d attended. Consorting with the enemy is not on.
The Murrells and their associates light up all the indicators of control freakery.
It takes the seriously infected to creat and run an authoritarian system. Not to mention a docile cutizenry.
They are, however, in ‘good company’.
Il Duce, you should be alive now! You’d have ball!
https://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2020/10/26/the-great-fascist-reset-covid-opportunity-for-klaus-schwabs-diabolical-plot-longread/
Is it alright to say Blackman?
This is damage limitation.
A pile-on of faux sympathy, I suspect.
I read on a previous BTL thread that Humza Useless has appointed a retired judge to look into making misogyny a crime. Who gets to decide what is misogynistic and what’s not? Can any woman make a charge of misogyny against me purely because I don’t agree with her? And if you’re going to make misogyny a crime then why not misandry too? This all looks like an attempt to bring the Thought Crime bill in under a PC guise.
ISTM that most criminal behaviour under the heading of misogyny is already covered by existing laws against violent assault, sexual assault and offensive behaviour. We don’t need and shouldn’t have laws that make opinions a crime.
I get a little bored of johnny-come-lateley wankers going on about ‘not splitting the SNP’ as if that is something Alex Salmond has done or this site is doing simply by relentlessly seeking the truth of what was done to Salmond.
I can tell you the precise moment the SNP fractured.
It was fractured fatally many years ago and since then the gap has slowly widened until now where you could drive a bus through it.
It fractured the exact moment that Nicola Sturgeon had her ‘Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest’ moment and let loose her attack bitches to attempt the sticth-up of Alex Salmond.
That was THE moment the SNP was fractured and the blame for it rests solely with Sturgeon. She was the leader, the FM, she did this, she owns it, 100%.
Everything that has happened since is a direct consequence of that fateful decision. Cause and effect.
So stop blaming the victims of Sturgeon and start blaming the actual criminal.
The Great Reset will bring with it a Surveillance State nightmare with ” health passes” restricted lifestyles and a reduced standard of living.
In Canada I believe a Bill was passed in their Parliament authorising the use of ” quarantine facilities” for non compliant citizens.
Chinese style Communism?
Mac says:
2 February, 2021 at 3:45 pm
Mussolini got the trains to run on time.
Sturgeon gets the trans to run and whine.
Think I preferred Mussolini.
Like that one
Ian Brotherhood @2:04pm
I was upfront about why I was there and the reason for my question. I expected a bit of abuse but didn’t get it.
As I said on the other thread, they weren’t really talkative and my interpretation of that was they were trying to digest the news since it’s obvious where the order came from and they could not believe that she’d shoot the party in the foot like that.
Anyways I think the animosity, perceived or otherwise, isn’t really worth the trouble. Everybody wants to be on the winning side and there’s no value in saying “told you so” since that’s just rubbing salt into wounds just for the sake of it.
The dug-house was built on an optimistic view of the push for independence and I think Paul was pretty clever in carving out a niche in the blogosphere that was “Not Wings”. However events haven’t taken a turn in their favour. If this all plays out as we expect/fear it’s going to take a while for them to adjust to that reality – as it has done for many folk here.
O/T. As predicted the last 2 days recording Covid deaths
is wildly inaccurate at Circa 600 per day.
Tuesday’s adjusted figures shows 1,449 Covid Deaths.
Westminster still racing ahead of the world in Covid catastrophe!
Never mind those horrific death figures as we are great at giving injections?
What percentage actually get protection- they don’t know.
Are those vaccinated still able to carry and transmit the virus -they don’t know.
When will the enforced Hotel isolation process they demand start at our airports- they don’t know.
When will those in isolation thru track and trace get financial assistance – they don’t know.
A broken SNP just gives Westminster more power and the freedom to kill us with mismanagement.
Mac says:
2 February, 2021 at 4:08 pm
It fractured the exact moment that Nicola Sturgeon had her ‘Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest’ moment and let loose her attack bitches to attempt the sticth-up of Alex Salmond.
That was THE moment the SNP was fractured and the blame for it rests solely with Sturgeon. She was the leader, the FM, she did this, she owns it, 100%.
Everything that has happened since is a direct consequence of that fateful decision. Cause and effect.
I don’t think so, it was the moment she took over.
The stitch up was just the latest effect of her distaste for independence.
The only threat to her largely successful fashioning of the party/cause in her own image and interest remained the, as yet, unmaligned predecessor.
The constant,callous neglect of the needs of independence had become very apparent by that time.
Who could those who chose to retain an interest in the subject turn to but Alex?
@Paul 4.12pm
More like Bezino Napaloni I reckon….? 🙂
Aye Kirsty Blackman, when I was helping out former, totally unfairly trashed, MP Michelle Thomson, was an utter horror. Utter piece of work eh and what are her attributes? Aye zilch.
Up there with the odious chancer Gillian Martin and many others. Fucking hell what a state Scotland is in.
Christ if I did not have to be here for family committments I’d be off. Shit show of epic proportions.
StuartM says:
2 February, 2021 at 4:05 pm
“I read on a previous BTL thread that Humza Useless has appointed a retired judge to look into making misogyny a crime. Who gets to decide what is misogynistic and what’s not? Can any woman make a charge of misogyny. Etc”
Genuine question: can a self I.d trans woman now claim a man is being misogynistic to “her”? I cannot keep up with this concept.
“one of the chief weapons of the Tranish Inquisition is The Comfy Chair……or to give her real name, Kirsten Oswald.”
Is Oswald a bigger hypocrite than Blackman by saying this.
“Correct and well said, Fiona. This is just unacceptable. I’m glad Joanna is safe. Too many people making threats to mostly female politicians of all parties and this must stop.”
https://twitter.com/kirstenoswald
Psychological abuse, often called emotional abuse, is a form of abuse, characterized by a person subjecting or exposing another person to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder.[1][2][3] It is often associated with situations of power imbalance in abusive relationships, and may include bullying, gaslighting, and abuse in the workplace.[2][3] It also may be perpetrated by persons conducting torture, other violence, acute or prolonged human rights abuse, particularly without legal redress such as detention without trial, false accusations, false convictions and extreme defamation such as where perpetrated by state and media.
Twitter is nothing but a nest of mentally ill freaks. Why the hell anybody cares what the nutters on there think or say is beyond me. Reading their tweets is a waste of time. Turn off Twitter…and it all goes away.
If I self ID as an unemployed, cross dressing, bi-polar, non binary, disabled BAME midget, with no school qualifications whatsoever, what are my chances of getting an advisor’s post, close to Sturgeon’s kinky inner circle, even if I am easily triggered?
Are they that good?
Some interesting developments at Holyrood today.
Developing.
If I self ID as an unemployed, cross dressing, bi-polar, non binary, disabled BAME midget, with no school qualifications whatsoever, what are my chances of getting an advisor’s post, close to Sturgeon’s kinky inner circle, even if I am easily triggered?
sorry tried that was told you will need to have one hand on hip and the other in the air like a proper charlie
Graham says:
2 February, 2021 at 4:50 pm
“If I self ID as an unemployed, cross dressing, bi-polar, non binary, disabled BAME midget, with no school qualifications whatsoever, what are my chances of getting an advisor’s post, close to Sturgeon’s kinky inner circle, even if I am easily triggered?”
I think you have to agree to be filmed committing some vile act that you would never want revealed – that way you are theirs for life.
@TNS2019 – Aye – as practiced by the Government of Uganda, the Chinese Communist Party and most recently by the Scottish Crown Office.
@Sophia Panglos
“Sticks a big manly hand up”. Yeah, but its manicured!!
I cant remember if I read about it on here or not but there was a big bust-up between the trannies and lesbians (I think it was) because the lesbians were not keen on having sex with men who had identified as being a woman and also a lesbian. So basically a man who fancies the ladies but as a ‘woman’. (Aye right, I thought.)
Apparently heterosexual men are also being transphobic if they don’t want to have sex with transwomen like Leeze for example.
Same goes for heterosexual women who don’t want to have sex with women who think they are a man, like Josh Mennie for example.
In short these people are stark raving bonkers and transphobia is as good as non-existent as no one frankly could give a shit.
graham must be on the booze to let that slip hes not drinking it he is pouring in his ear
Crazycat at 3.34pm,
Yes, a cross-post! I should have looked up that much first about it – and your comment gave me some of the detail I wanted (I couldn’t for the life of me remember the circumstances of the previous ones) – it needs to be some kind of criminal conviction first then,,, I was hoping that the criteria might include ‘suspicion of wrongdoing’, but oh well, it’s something to keep in mind if NS tries to keep anyone undesirable in place even after a conviction (but hopefully that won’t be a possibility for much longer).
I’m sure I read the reason Kirsty Blackman stepped down from the Deputy leader post was due to mental health issues, this was just at the start of lockdown.
Her twitter comments re: the trans issues were frankly becoming unhinged.
TBH I concluded she had been telt.
Still somewhat unbalanced I fear.
An odd development. I’m quite well read on the Salmond Stitch-up but I hadn’t twigged that the ‘Vietnam’ group of texting and Whatsapping Salmond Stitchers included Alphabet Women. Right up until the Alphabet Women’s PR agency released this a wee while ago.
https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/blogs/news/1004/redir/
Mac says @ 5:03 pm
Apparently heterosexual men are also being transphobic if they don’t want to have sex with transwomen like Leeze for example.
More to the point, how does Leeze expect the heterosexual male to close the deal?
Just wondering too… if you self ID as black does it come with the oft-mentioned benefit? (Asking for a friend…)
I am trying not to think about it Dave.
In other news I saw a comment on Craig Murray’s blog that referred to the alphabet women as ‘the Spite Girls’.
Roddy Macdonald
Second paragraph of the Rape Crisis Scotland press release includes this belter: “We are deeply disappointed that the Committee saw fit to request messages between people identified by the Police and the Crown as victims of sexual harassment,
Just one thing wrong, Alex Salmond was found Not Guilty of all the charges – so, therefore, that press release is a crock of shite.
Why are these women still having their lies backed-up after Not Guilty verdicts, and thus, proven liars having their identities concealed – while an innocent man – Alex Salmond – is still being persecuted?
@Hatuey
You referring to the Ferries or promisses of English gold that would allow parliament to buy and sell its own political parties if it remains dependent?
ScotGov-funded Rape Crisis Scotland STILL finding AS guilty, then, on behalf of the anonymous.
Roddy Macdonald says:
https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/blogs/news/1004/redir/
“These messages, had they been published, would show clearly that there was no conspiracy between women, but bonds of friendship and support.”
Right so these messages prove we weren’t conspiring but on no account must they be published.
And, by the way, AS was guilty really.
Captain Yossarian says:
2 February, 2021 at 3:17 pm
‘They’re not very bright people; it just got out of hand’. – WATERGATE
‘They’re not very bright people; it just got out of hand’. – SALMONDGATE
I can see that but the plan to give anonymity to the accusers was pretty effective. I don’t understand why the alphabety who most blatantly lied is still protected.
I agree, Socrates. I am merely the messenger. I find it odd that the alphabet women, on being notified that the committee will not be publishing their messages, thus they can continue in their anonymity to recover from their ‘traumatic experiences’, immediately leap on a platform and get their PR Agency to announce to the world that it wiz us that wrote the messages!
Nobody would have known the accusers were anything to do with the Vietnam Group if they’d kept schtum.
What strange times when even the saviour figure is a lesbian never mind all the other tranny youth stuff. Is it true that up to quite recently lesbians headed the main parties in Scotland? Anybody care to explain based demographics if this is so?
I can give a spiritual explanation (this article raises religion) but I am open to …
@ Lorna Campbell
The fundamental reason that women can appear to act treacherously towards other women is because they are human beings. This is human behaviour which can be observed in class politics for instance.
If human beings can see personal advantage to themselves in a situation they will take it. Usually that means ingratiating yourself with those who have power. It’s about competition & gaining individual advancement & often at the expense of others in the pecking order.
As a class, women have usually been at a considerable disadvantage throughout history where power resided with men. Therefore, of necessity, their chief competitors were other women. In such a competitive environment it’s hardly surprising that women often joined in victimising other women.
The same power dynamic pertains in male society, again because it’s human behaviour, though usually for the same historical reasons, that power was mainly held by males, males were therefore in competition with other males.
@Prasad – As I understand it, Rape Crisis Scotland is just another front for Nicola Sturgeon to help give public credence to what are essentially lies.
Education Scotland provided much the same service for John Swinney.
We pay an awful lot of money to these organisations to peddle shite to us each year.
Happily, the public are now much more aware of that, thanks in no small part to this excellent website.
I’m struggling with this now because when you know a few things you’re not supposed to know then see the “poor victims” stuff coming out it just makes you want to puke. I really hope there is some way the evidence which needs to come out can. And sooner rather than later.
Prasad
Calling it Salmond-gate just perpetuates the negative connotations for the former FM. CHERRYGATE would do similarly. I’d like to offer TRANSGATE. It covers everything and it’s easier to type too.
I just hope nemesis finds them all and takes them to task. Utterly disgusting behaviour.
I’m starting to get worried that Sturgeon may be digging in for one last stand this May. Victory in the coming election would be seen as a public endorsement of everything she’s done since taking over the leadership from Alex Salmond. We simply can’t let that happen without a fight but there’s currently no obvious way to stop her.
With the best will in the world, a few thousand former SNP supporters abstaining on the constituency vote and switching to the ISP on the list won’t cut it. That would barely make a dent in the overall number of SNP MSP’s elected. For me the answer lies in persuading as many voters as possible to completely boycott the election.
Nobody can predict what the consequences might be but we have to do something.
I wonder how long the Alec Salmond case will go on for. It appears that the verdict of a Court that he was innocent is irrelevant.
The same people who a jury did not believe can continue to imply his guilt from behind the screen of anonymity.
This cannot be right. In fact how do we even know it is those same women?
Prasad, you query why the alhabety who lied the most is still protected. If it is the one I think you mean, then it is because she is inextricably linked to Sturgeon, and the succession. Tbh, theres more than one linked to Sturgeon, and truth be told, which we are not allowed to tell, some of the “actors” played multiple parts. Perhaps, like a director in a film, editing the screenplay, and also playing a starring role, not a cameo.
No, stuart mctavish, I heard the tories want a parliamentary debate and presumably a vote on the antics of Murrell. I don’t have any details tho, just rumours.
@Daisy, @Lorna, @Cath et al,
We got into this whole mess as there was a serious danger of 51% of the support for the SNP, were going to walk out the door over the GRA.
Given everything that’s happened, particularly the widespread condemnation of Blackman we see today, isn’t the withdrawal of significant support from the SNP in May now pretty much a foregone conclusion?
Geoff Anderson, that is a very good point. the truth is that we don’t. Certainly, we do not know if all of the accusers agree with the statements issued by RCS, given that some seems to have required “encouragement” to give evidence.
Dave Beveridge says:
2 February, 2021 at 5:11 pm
Mac says @ 5:03 pm
Apparently heterosexual men are also being transphobic if they don’t want to have sex with transwomen like Leeze for example.
Decent people don’t want a vile foul-mouthed oaf for a partner, whatever their sexuality
StuartM: misogyny is institutional and is separate from misandry for that reason. By all means, individualists can be misogynists and misandrists, but misandry is not institutionalized. Women’s rights are sex-based because the misogyny and sexism against them is sex-based. That is the point.
The reason why sexism and/or misogyny was not included in the original Hate Crime Bill (in which the discrimination against the various categories is institutionalized) was so that the trans lobby could say what it liked about women and not face prosecution. On the other hand, a woman saying anything mildly critical of the trans lobby could be condemned as a transphobe.
Even in the Salmond affair, how have the women fared? Did they instigate the downfall of Mr Salmond? No, they did not. Women are routinely used for such tactics. Security Services the world over use the ‘honeytrap’ because it works. The word is ‘used’. Were they too stupid to realize they were being used? Probably, and they have reaped the whirlwind for being that stupid. As will those silly lassies like Ms Blackman for also allowing herself to be used by a pernicious and insidious lobbying group who will throw them to the wolves when they have done their job. Equality will be reached when we have as many thick women as we have thick men in positions of authority. I’d say that we are getting very close.
A rant, but a necessary one.
How the f*ck can any sane person say Joanna Cherry is homophobic?? Like, seriously, as a gay man, with many lesbian friends, I’d really like the opportunity to sit face to face with total w*nkers like Kirsty or Harvie or any of the other ‘trans cultists’, and ask them that.
I am soooo sick of these imbeciles PRESUMING that they, AND THEY ALONE, are judge Jury (and it seems) executioner, with regards to what they very loosely call ‘hate’.
Seriously, their are many, many , many gay folk, Male and Female who do NOT buy into this gender cr*p, yet these losers PRESUME, over and over and over again, that they are the holiest of holiest, sitting on high judging ANYBODY who disagrees with their personal idiotic worldview.
I am just f*cking sick of them, and that includes Kirsty ‘crocodile tears’ Blackman, the rest of the trans cabal and Nicola Sturgeon herself.
Joanna Cherry is an outstanding women, an example of what any Scottish lad or lass can achieve, and a true genuine champion of gay/lesbian rights and equality. She is worth a million of these wee thick as pig sh*t ‘trans’ guttersnipes, who wouldn’t know the meaning of equality or genuine gay persecution, if you slapped them about the face with them.
This country is fucking broken.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGGDRRRxGp4
Stuart MacKay says:
2 February, 2021 at 5:45 pm
Prasad
Calling it Salmond-gate just perpetuates the negative connotations for the former FM. CHERRYGATE would do similarly. I’d like to offer TRANSGATE. It covers everything and it’s easier to type too.
TRANSGATE, in my opinion, gets it upside down,looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
They are a weapon,nothing more, aimed at the confused and conflicted.
MURRELGATE/NICOLAGATE gets us a little closer to the nub of the matter, the subversion and corruption of the, now nominal, delegate of national sentiment in the maintenance of business as usual.
Stuart MacKay says:
2 February, 2021 at 5:45 pm
That wasn’t me i was quoting
Captain Yossarian:
2 February, 2021 at 3:17 pm
Sorry for no quotation marks.
As for Captain Yossarian comment on Rape Crisis Centres i have no idea why that is addressed to me.
When did this transgender nonsense started to really take off in Scotland? Am I right to think this was really after the time it had become clear Sturgeon and the civil servants from hell had not managed to stitch Mr Salmond with the complaints procedure and there was a likelihood they would be facing a parliamentary inquiry?
There is no doubt the intensity of this nonsense has gone in crescendo in the last 2 years until pretty much dominating anything to do with politics in Scotland and, seemingly, completely taking over the SNP. It is like nothing else exists. it is like a massive smokescreen.
It is just an amazing coincidence that the intensification of this genderwoowoo’s antics is happening at at time when it is becoming more and more obvious that Sturgeon’s disgustingly corrupt government and increasingly erratic party are using everything they can to distract the public from their mountains of soiled laundry coming to the surface.
This is very suspicious. It is hard to believe for a second that a minority is holding to ransom the entire electorate, the democratically elected representatives of that electorate and the political party in government, all at the same time.
It is even harder to believe that a ruthless and arrogant individual like Sturgeon, with no sense of loyalty whatsoever, with no scruples and prepared to throw under the bus her own mentor, any minister, any MP or MSP, cannot put this minority on a leash or directly on a garbage can if she so wished.
The only possible conclusion is that she is not keeping them on a leash because they are working for/with her or they are all taking instructions from the same master. Or worse: they are the front for a professional team of psyops trolls masquerading as SNP members that are helping her to retain in power by destroying the party.
Where is Cummings hiding?
This genderwoowoo operates mainly via social media, just like the cambridge analytica brexit trolls did. The same as them this genderwoowoo is using social media to manipulate public opinion on industrial scale.
After failing to quash support for independence by trying to stitch up Mr Salmond, it seems the powers that be are now attempting to quash support for independence by destroying and hollowing out the SNP, by portraying it as an unelectable party. Sturgeon, most MSPs and Most MPs bar a very very few are doing absolutely nothing to stop this perception. Why? What have they been promised?
Only somebody who lives in London and has the narrowed vision of bipartite politics can think that if they destroy Mr Salmond or the SNP they would destroy the pro indy momentum. They obviously don’t have a clue about what is going on or that the yes/no divide goes beyond political parties’ boundaries.
What are the odds that if Robertson the puppet gets a seat and becomes leader, suddenly all this genderwoowoo will miraculously vanish as if it never existed in the exact same way UKIP and the Brexit Party did when the tories needed the votes?
STV still Refusing to accept the vaccination
Numbers here slower here as on medical advice
we put care home residents first.
There are many homes and in remote places but although
more time consuming they had to be first.
Scotland can still hit its targets now that the hardest part is complete.
Alistair Jack, Millionaire Tory House boy writing to Nicola with offer of
additional British Army support as we are one nation?
Let’s use the Scottish Soldiers from Scottish regiments living in Scotland and
paid for by the Scottish Tax Payers and he can stick Union Jack up his Jacksie!
On Wee Willie Sweetie Wife of the Lib Dem’s saying not good enough.
Can he tell me about anything his party ever organised other than be theirs parasite
Party supporting his Tory brothers under Clegg.
Wee Chid:4.01
Fuck me, my MSP (J Gilruth) literally sleeps with the (now ex) leader of the enemy (K Dugdale).
Although not, apparently, until after she got elected.
No other Party (or even commercial organisation) would sanction such a compromised position.
Nurse Rached! I need my pills!
Alan Mackintosh says:
2 February, 2021 at 5:51 pm
I didn’t ask the question you think i did.
I said it was a pretty effective strategy. So far that is.
@Graham 4.50 pm
Had a sardonic smile at that. Many years ago Camden Council was over-run by what was then the far left PC brigade (second only to the People’s Republic of Islington), who couldn’t organise decent housing or street lighting but give them a worthy ’cause’ to back and you could name your price. I well recall considering approaching them as a representative of the Black, One-Legged Lesbian Nuns Against The Bomb collective and asking for 20 Grand.
Wish I’d gone ahead – they’d probably have thrown in a cushy office space as well.
Vietnam Group?
That one passed me by and I thought I had read all the articles here and at Craig Murrays
Alan sorry you are right.
Sorry i am getting very upset at this Wings Post and the possibility they might get away with it.
But i meant not so much as why but how.
If you lie to a court you should lose that anonymity.
Obviously she is protected because of her closeness to NS.
Below is the statement issued by the Rape Crisis Centre.
If is disgraceful. I’ll put the professional reasons why it is disgraceful in capitals as I work my way through it.
Statement on the Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Posted on February 2 2021
Below is a statement from the women whose personal and private messages were requested by the Scottish Parliament’s “Salmond Committee” and were handed to the Committee by the Crown Office as part of a Section 23 Order for messages belonging to Sue Ruddick.
In light of the decision taken by the Committee not to publish the messages received from the Crown Office under the Section 23 Order, we feel it is important that our voices are heard, where so far they have been secondary to the Committee’s inquiry.
THE COMMITTE IS NOT INVESTIGATING THE WOMEN WHO MADE ALLEGATIONS – THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN INVESTIGATED FULLY AND SUBJECT TO A TRIAL AT HIGH COURT. THE PURPOSE OF THE ENQUIRY IS TO ASCERTAIN IF THE SCOT GOV CONDUCTED THEIR PART OF THE PROCESS CORRECTLY – OR WASTED VALUABLE TAX PAYERS MONEY.
We are deeply disappointed that the Committee saw fit to request messages between people identified by the Police and the Crown as victims of sexual harassment, some of whose identities are protected by a court order. We have no doubt that members of the Committee knew that vulnerable witnesses were involved when they made the request.
‘PEOPLE IDENTIFIED BY THE POLICE AND THE CROWN AS VICTIMS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT’ – LET US GET ONE THING ABSOLUTELY STRAIGHT, RIGHT JUST NOW, THE POLICE HAD A DUTY TO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS MADE FULLY AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE, AND REPORT THEIR FINDINGS IN FULL TO THE PROCURATOR FISCAL. COPFS THEN HAD A DUTY, IF THERE WAS SUFFICIENCY OF EVIDENCE TO PRESENT THE PROSECUTION TO THE COURT.
NEITHER INSTITUTION, CARRYING OUT THEIR DUTIES, IS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, THERE FOR THE PURPOSE OF VALIDATING THE STATUS OF ‘VICTIMS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT’.
FOR RAPE CRISIS CENTRE TO MISREPRESENT THE FUNCTION OF THE POLICE AND FISCAL SERVICE IN THIS WAY, IS A CORE DERELICTION OF DUTY, AND DOES A COMPLETE MIS-SERVICE TO THE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, BY PROVIDING THEM WITH UNREALISTIC AND FALSE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THESE ORGANISATIONS ARE LEGALLY AND MORALLY TIED TO DO, AND WHAT THEY ARE NOT THERE TO DO.
We are also deeply disturbed that the Crown has felt it appropriate to break the trust we placed in it. Having been let down by the Crown Office, we feel this unnecessary act will have done serious damage to progress made over the last few years in sexual assault cases. We urge the Crown to consider the grave consequences of their actions, and are actively considering further options.
THE CROWN IS RELEASING THESE DOCUMENTS KICKING AND SCREAMING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN LAWFULLY REQUIRED TO DO SO.
THE CROWN IS UNDER SERIOUS SCRUTINY FOR ALLEGATIONS OF CORRUPTION, IN PART STEMMING FROM THIS INCIDENT, AND ITS MAIN PLAYERS IN THE CROWN OFFICE AND CURRENT GOVERNMENT – WHICH THE ENQUIRY HAS BEEN SET UP TO LOOK INTO.
Not a single one of these messages relates to the remit of the Committee or the Committee’s published approach to the inquiry. In short, what the Crown provided are personal communications between friends who supported each other during a traumatic time.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE COMPLAINERS IN THIS CASE WILL HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED BY POLICE NOT TO TALK TO OTHER WITNESS / COMPLAINERS ABOUT THEIR PERCEIVED EXPERIENCE – BECAUSE THE CASE RELIED HEAVILY ON THE MOROOV DOCTRINE. A CORE PRINCIPLE OF WHICH RELIES ON THE WITNESSES BEING INDEPENDENT AND UNCONNECTED TO ONE ANOTHER.
FORMING A SUPPORT GROUP AMONG ‘VICTIMS’ PRIOR TO THE TRIAL – COMPLETELY DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THEIR EVIDENCE. AND AS THE RAPE CRISIS CENTRE – YOU SHOULD BE HIGHLY AWARE OF THIS PRINCIPLE.
POLICE WILL HAVE REFERED THESE WOMEN TO RAPE CRISIS CENTRE AND OTHER ‘PROFESSIONAL’ SERVICES. IN ENQUIRIES OF THIS NATURE, THAT’S WHAT THEY DO! ITS IN THEIR PROCEDURES! FOR THIS VERY REASON. SO THAT THEY HAD SUPPORT, AND THAT SUPPORT WAS EXPERIENCED, PROFESSIONAL AND COULD IN NO WAY BE ACCUSED OF COMPOMISING THE INTEGRITY OF THE EVIDENCE OR LEGAL PROCEEDINGS, OR WHATS THAT PHRASE… ‘TAITED BY APPARENT BIAS’.
Comments made by members of the committee, passing judgement on the motivations of women, describing women’s communications as “fair game” and raising questions as to the genuine nature of the complaints made, have caused considerable distress since the Order was placed and do a disservice to all women who have made complaints of this nature.
UNTIL YOUR HIGHLY REVEALING STATEMENT TODAY, NO-ONE PURSUING THIS TRAVESTY HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT THE COMPLAINERS MESSAGES WERE PART OF WHAT WAS BEING REQUESTED.
WELL DONE RCC – FOR REVEALING MORE OF THE CONSPIRACY. SO YOUR SENTENCE, ‘describing women’s communications as “fair game” IS MISLEADING, AND SHOULD READ ‘THE COMMUNICATIONS / FAIR GAME’.
Each individual in the messages requested by the Committee experienced behaviour from Alex Salmond that was unacceptable and which either Police Scotland or the Crown Office considered potentially criminal.
AND WHICH WENT TO FULL TRIAL AND AQUITTED ALEX SALMOND OF FULLY.
A group chat, about which there has been much speculation, was simply a support group for women who had already shared their experiences with the Police. The selective quoting of messages by people with whom they should not have been shared has led to increasing pressure on the women involved.
THE WOMEN WILL HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED VERY CLEARLY BY POLICE SCOTLAND, AFTER THEY PROVIDED THEIR STATEMENTS OF COMPLAINT – NOT TO TALK TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT, AND REFERRED TO PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT ORGANISATIONS WHERE THEY COULD DO SO SAFELY.
These messages, had they been published, would show clearly that there was no conspiracy between women, but bonds of friendship and support.
THE CASE AGAINST ALEX SALMOND RESTED HEAVILY ON THE MOROOV PRINCIPLE, A CORE PART OF WHICH IS THAT THE COMPLAINERS ARE NOT CONNECTED TO ONE ANOTHER. THE CREDIBILITY OF THEIR EVIDENCE RESTS ON THEIR BEING NO CHANCE FOR THEM TO TALK IN DEPTH ABOUT IT TO OTHER COMPLAINERS AND THUS BE ACCUSED OF INFLUENCING (EVEN UNCONSCIOUSLY) OR CONTAMINATING EACH OTHERS VERSION OF EVENTS.
There is no manual as to what happens to you when you speak to the Police and they inform you that the actions you describe could be criminal. There’s no handbook that sets out whether or how you’ll be protected, what your rights are and what happens to your identity. There’s no immediate offer of support from a third party, someone who can help guide you through the process. That simply isn’t there. So you turn to your friends and colleagues for support.
THIS IS ABSOLUTE LIEING BULLSHIT.
ITS THE REASON YOU – THE RAPE CRISIS CENTRE, GET A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PUBLIC MONEY AND WORK CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE. YOU ARE THE 3RD PARTY AND THE POLICE WILL HAVE SIGNPOSTED THE VICTIMS TO YOU, AND TO THE DOMESTIC ABUSE OFFICERS/ BERNARDOS, AND TO VICTIM SUPPORT.
And when the person you have been asked by Police Scotland to give evidence about is someone who was and is a hugely powerful figure, there is comfort in knowing that you are not the only one going through that experience, you find support in solidarity.
YOU FIND SUPPORT IN SOLIDARITY – YOU ALSO WILL HAVE BEEN TOLD NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE IT COMPROMISES EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR EVIDENTIAL STATEMENTS. IT LOOKS LIKE COLLUSION. IT MEANS THE JURY, HAVE GOT TO BE AT LEAST OPEN TO THE ALLEGATION OF COLLUSION, OF BIAS.
THAT THE RAPE CRISIS CENTRE WOULD ISSUE SUCH A BLATENTLY MISGUIDED POINT OF VIEW, RAISES VERY SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE JOB YOU CURRENTLY ARE IN.
It is impossible to counter claims of conspiracy by those who selectively choose messages, without any context. These are private and personal communications which should not need to be in the public domain to prove a theory false or for complainers to be believed.
NO, THESE MESSAGES ARE EVIDENCE, AND GIVEN THE WIDER CONCERNS ABOUT CORRUPTION AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT YOUR JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GET OVER YOURSELVES.
That we work in politics should not prevent us from speaking honestly and truthfully to the Police or to each other, in fact it should compel us to do so, to live up to the values we believe in.
We firmly believe that the Committee’s determination to gain sight of and publish these personal messages is yet another example of the behaviour that led Rape Crisis Scotland to write on behalf of the two complainers in the government investigation into Mr Salmond that;
“They are deeply disappointed that the Committee continues to be insensitive to the fact that they are real people on the other side of this, and they are distressed that their painful personal experiences are being exploited for political purposes through the Committee’s inquiry.”
Publication and discussion of private messages is a complete invasion of privacy and has already led to further distress, not only to us, but also to the other women involved in complaints against Mr Salmond, and those we turned to for support.
The bullying and intimidation of complainers through use of their private and personal communications must end now.
ANYONE KEEPING A WATCHING BRIEF ON THE INQUIRY WILL HAVE BEEN DECIDEDLY UNDERWHELMED BY THE TOOTHLESS TIGERS THEY APPEAR TO BE. ACCUSING THEM OF BULLYING AND INTIMIDATION OF THE COMPLAINERS IS SOPHISTRY OF THE MOST PATHETIC KIND. PARTICULARLY AS THEIR COURT ORDERED ANONIMITY IS STILL IN FORCE.
Sandy Brindley, Chief Executive of Rape Crisis Scotland said:
“In amongst the noise and politics of this committee inquiry the experiences of the women who reported their experiences has been side-lined, manipulated and exploited by some for political and personal gain. This is completely unacceptable.
Survivors often tell us that they fear disclosing their experiences because people may not believe them, that there will be repercussions from the person responsible or others, and if they report they fear their lives will be scrutinised and torn apart. It’s difficult to see this entire situation as anything other than a manifestation of many survivors’ worst fears on a magnified, national scale.
The remit of this inquiry is clear and both the request for these private messages and the decision of the Crown to provide them is unjust and irrelevant to the work of the committee.
YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DECIDE THIS, THE EVIDENCE REQUESTED HAS BEEN DONE SO, LAWFULLY.
Survivors are entitled to privacy
INTERSTING USE OF THE WORD ‘SURVIVORS’ I’LL REMIND YOU THAT ALEX SALMOND WAS FULLY AQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES. BUT LEAVING THAT ASIDE, THE COURT ORDER OF ANONIMITY FOR THE COMPLAINERS IS STILL ACTIVE.
and we are deeply concerned about the precedent this sets going forward,
MANY OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THIS SETS, INCLUDING THE BIGGER PICTURE, THAT IT BECOMES A METHOD OF MAKING FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST A COLLEAGUE WITH NOLEGAL CONSEQUENCE FOR THE PERPETRATORS, AND A MEANS OF CONTINUING TO BESMIRCH THE CHARACTER OF A PERSON FOUND NOT GUILTY AND FULLY AQUITTED AT A TRIAL BY A JURY OF HIS PEERS.
and the impact that this public conversation is having right now on anyone who has experienced any form of sexual harassment, abuse or assault.
I HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, I AM FEMALE, I AM ALSO A TAXPAYER, AND AN INTELLIGENT PROFESSIONAL, AND A PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN LAW AND ORDER. I AM ALSO FULLY AWARE THAT WOMAN CAN BE JUST AS CORRUPT AS MEN. YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME.
The focus of this inquiry should be on organisational accountability and capturing any possible learning for improved responses going forward. Far greater care needs to be taken to avoid worsening the intimidation and harassment of the women involved in this case.”
INTIMIDATION AND HARASSMENT ARE CLEARLY DEFINED UNDER SCOTTISH CRIMINAL LAW – I ASSUME YOU WILL BE SUBSTANTIATING THESE ALLEGATIONS AND SUPPORTING THE COMPLAINERS AS THEY CONTACT THE POLICE AND MAKE FORMAL COMPLAINTS OF THESE CRIMES.
OR ARE YOU JUST BANDING ABOUT INFLAMATORY LANGUAGE ONCE AGAIN.
SANDLY BRINDLAY – THAT YOU HAVE RELEASED THE ABOVE STATEMENT TODAY, SHOWS THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT TO BE EMPLOYED IN ANY CAPACITY WITH RAPE CRISIS CENTRE.
YOUR ERRONOUS ADVICE TO COMPLAINERS OF SEXUAL CRIMES IS LIKELY TO CAUSE UNNECCESSARY MISUNDERSTANDING AND DISTRESS.
YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MOROOV DOCTRINE AND THE ROLE OF INDEPENDENT SUPPORT ADVOCACY SERVICES – IF PASSED ON TO COMPLAINERS IS LIKELY TO SEE SERIOUS CRIMINAL SEX OFFENCE TRIALS COMPROMISED TO THE POINT OF FAILURE.
Its almost as if Sturgeon is deliberately running Holyrood so far into the ground that Westminster can justify shutting the place down for gross mis-management…..
Below is the statement issued by the Rape Crisis Centre.
If is disgraceful. I’ll put the professional reasons why it is disgraceful in capitals as I work my way through it.
Statement on the Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints
Posted on February 2 2021
Below is a statement from the women whose personal and private messages were requested by the Scottish Parliament’s “Salmond Committee” and were handed to the Committee by the Crown Office as part of a Section 23 Order for messages belonging to Sue Ruddick.
In light of the decision taken by the Committee not to publish the messages received from the Crown Office under the Section 23 Order, we feel it is important that our voices are heard, where so far they have been secondary to the Committee’s inquiry.
THE COMMITTE IS NOT INVESTIGATING THE WOMEN WHO MADE ALLEGATIONS – THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN INVESTIGATED FULLY AND SUBJECT TO A TRIAL AT HIGH COURT. THE PURPOSE OF THE ENQUIRY IS TO ASCERTAIN IF THE SCOT GOV CONDUCTED THEIR PART OF THE PROCESS CORRECTLY – OR WASTED VALUABLE TAX PAYERS MONEY.
We are deeply disappointed that the Committee saw fit to request messages between people identified by the Police and the Crown as victims of sexual harassment, some of whose identities are protected by a court order. We have no doubt that members of the Committee knew that vulnerable witnesses were involved when they made the request.
‘PEOPLE IDENTIFIED BY THE POLICE AND THE CROWN AS VICTIMS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT’ – LET US GET ONE THING ABSOLUTELY STRAIGHT, RIGHT JUST NOW, THE POLICE HAD A DUTY TO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS MADE FULLY AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE, AND REPORT THEIR FINDINGS IN FULL TO THE PROCURATOR FISCAL. COPFS THEN HAD A DUTY, IF THERE WAS SUFFICIENCY OF EVIDENCE TO PRESENT THE PROSECUTION TO THE COURT.
NEITHER INSTITUTION, CARRYING OUT THEIR DUTIES, IS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, THERE FOR THE PURPOSE OF VALIDATING THE STATUS OF ‘VICTIMS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT’.
FOR RAPE CRISIS CENTRE TO MISREPRESENT THE FUNCTION OF THE POLICE AND FISCAL SERVICE IN THIS WAY, IS A CORE DERELICTION OF DUTY, AND DOES A COMPLETE MIS-SERVICE TO THE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, BY PROVIDING THEM WITH UNREALISTIC AND FALSE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THESE ORGANISATIONS ARE LEGALLY AND MORALLY TIED TO DO, AND WHAT THEY ARE NOT THERE TO DO.
We are also deeply disturbed that the Crown has felt it appropriate to break the trust we placed in it. Having been let down by the Crown Office, we feel this unnecessary act will have done serious damage to progress made over the last few years in sexual assault cases. We urge the Crown to consider the grave consequences of their actions, and are actively considering further options.
THE CROWN IS RELEASING THESE DOCUMENTS KICKING AND SCREAMING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN LAWFULLY REQUIRED TO DO SO.
THE CROWN IS UNDER SERIOUS SCRUTINY FOR ALLEGATIONS OF CORRUPTION, IN PART STEMMING FROM THIS INCIDENT, AND ITS MAIN PLAYERS IN THE CROWN OFFICE AND CURRENT GOVERNMENT – WHICH THE ENQUIRY HAS BEEN SET UP TO LOOK INTO.
Not a single one of these messages relates to the remit of the Committee or the Committee’s published approach to the inquiry. In short, what the Crown provided are personal communications between friends who supported each other during a traumatic time.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE COMPLAINERS IN THIS CASE WILL HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED BY POLICE NOT TO TALK TO OTHER WITNESS / COMPLAINERS ABOUT THEIR PERCEIVED EXPERIENCE – BECAUSE THE CASE RELIED HEAVILY ON THE MOROOV DOCTRINE. A CORE PRINCIPLE OF WHICH RELIES ON THE WITNESSES BEING INDEPENDENT AND UNCONNECTED TO ONE ANOTHER.
FORMING A SUPPORT GROUP AMONG ‘VICTIMS’ PRIOR TO THE TRIAL – COMPLETELY DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THEIR EVIDENCE. AND AS THE RAPE CRISIS CENTRE – YOU SHOULD BE HIGHLY AWARE OF THIS PRINCIPLE.
POLICE WILL HAVE REFERED THESE WOMEN TO RAPE CRISIS CENTRE AND OTHER ‘PROFESSIONAL’ SERVICES. IN ENQUIRIES OF THIS NATURE, THAT’S WHAT THEY DO! ITS IN THEIR PROCEDURES! FOR THIS VERY REASON. SO THAT THEY HAD SUPPORT, AND THAT SUPPORT WAS EXPERIENCED, PROFESSIONAL AND COULD IN NO WAY BE ACCUSED OF COMPOMISING THE INTEGRITY OF THE EVIDENCE OR LEGAL PROCEEDINGS, OR WHATS THAT PHRASE… ‘TAITED BY APPARENT BIAS’.
Comments made by members of the committee, passing judgement on the motivations of women, describing women’s communications as “fair game” and raising questions as to the genuine nature of the complaints made, have caused considerable distress since the Order was placed and do a disservice to all women who have made complaints of this nature.
UNTIL YOUR HIGHLY REVEALING STATEMENT TODAY, NO-ONE PURSUING THIS TRAVESTY HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT THE COMPLAINERS MESSAGES WERE PART OF WHAT WAS BEING REQUESTED.
WELL DONE RCC – FOR REVEALING MORE OF THE CONSPIRACY. SO YOUR SENTENCE, ‘describing women’s communications as “fair game” IS MISLEADING, AND SHOULD READ ‘THE COMMUNICATIONS / FAIR GAME’.
Each individual in the messages requested by the Committee experienced behaviour from Alex Salmond that was unacceptable and which either Police Scotland or the Crown Office considered potentially criminal.
AND WHICH WENT TO FULL TRIAL AND AQUITTED ALEX SALMOND OF FULLY.
A group chat, about which there has been much speculation, was simply a support group for women who had already shared their experiences with the Police. The selective quoting of messages by people with whom they should not have been shared has led to increasing pressure on the women involved.
THE WOMEN WILL HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED VERY CLEARLY BY POLICE SCOTLAND, AFTER THEY PROVIDED THEIR STATEMENTS OF COMPLAINT – NOT TO TALK TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT, AND REFERRED TO PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT ORGANISATIONS WHERE THEY COULD DO SO SAFELY.
These messages, had they been published, would show clearly that there was no conspiracy between women, but bonds of friendship and support.
THE CASE AGAINST ALEX SALMOND RESTED HEAVILY ON THE MOROOV PRINCIPLE, A CORE PART OF WHICH IS THAT THE COMPLAINERS ARE NOT CONNECTED TO ONE ANOTHER. THE CREDIBILITY OF THEIR EVIDENCE RESTS ON THEIR BEING NO CHANCE FOR THEM TO TALK IN DEPTH ABOUT IT TO OTHER COMPLAINERS AND THUS BE ACCUSED OF INFLUENCING (EVEN UNCONSCIOUSLY) OR CONTAMINATING EACH OTHERS VERSION OF EVENTS.
There is no manual as to what happens to you when you speak to the Police and they inform you that the actions you describe could be criminal. There’s no handbook that sets out whether or how you’ll be protected, what your rights are and what happens to your identity. There’s no immediate offer of support from a third party, someone who can help guide you through the process. That simply isn’t there. So you turn to your friends and colleagues for support.
THIS IS ABSOLUTE LIEING BULLSHIT.
ITS THE REASON YOU – THE RAPE CRISIS CENTRE, GET A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PUBLIC MONEY AND WORK CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE. YOU ARE THE 3RD PARTY AND THE POLICE WILL HAVE SIGNPOSTED THE VICTIMS TO YOU, AND TO THE DOMESTIC ABUSE OFFICERS/ BERNARDOS, AND TO VICTIM SUPPORT.
And when the person you have been asked by Police Scotland to give evidence about is someone who was and is a hugely powerful figure, there is comfort in knowing that you are not the only one going through that experience, you find support in solidarity.
YOU FIND SUPPORT IN SOLIDARITY – YOU ALSO WILL HAVE BEEN TOLD NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE IT COMPROMISES EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR EVIDENTIAL STATEMENTS. IT LOOKS LIKE COLLUSION. IT MEANS THE JURY, HAVE GOT TO BE AT LEAST OPEN TO THE ALLEGATION OF COLLUSION, OF BIAS.
THAT THE RAPE CRISIS CENTRE WOULD ISSUE SUCH A BLATENTLY MISGUIDED POINT OF VIEW, RAISES VERY SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE JOB YOU CURRENTLY ARE IN.
It is impossible to counter claims of conspiracy by those who selectively choose messages, without any context. These are private and personal communications which should not need to be in the public domain to prove a theory false or for complainers to be believed.
NO, THESE MESSAGES ARE EVIDENCE, AND GIVEN THE WIDER CONCERNS ABOUT CORRUPTION AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT YOUR JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GET OVER YOURSELVES.
That we work in politics should not prevent us from speaking honestly and truthfully to the Police or to each other, in fact it should compel us to do so, to live up to the values we believe in.
We firmly believe that the Committee’s determination to gain sight of and publish these personal messages is yet another example of the behaviour that led Rape Crisis Scotland to write on behalf of the two complainers in the government investigation into Mr Salmond that;
“They are deeply disappointed that the Committee continues to be insensitive to the fact that they are real people on the other side of this, and they are distressed that their painful personal experiences are being exploited for political purposes through the Committee’s inquiry.”
Publication and discussion of private messages is a complete invasion of privacy and has already led to further distress, not only to us, but also to the other women involved in complaints against Mr Salmond, and those we turned to for support.
The bullying and intimidation of complainers through use of their private and personal communications must end now.
ANYONE KEEPING A WATCHING BRIEF ON THE INQUIRY WILL HAVE BEEN DECIDEDLY UNDERWHELMED BY THE TOOTHLESS TIGERS THEY APPEAR TO BE. ACCUSING THEM OF BULLYING AND INTIMIDATION OF THE COMPLAINERS IS SOPHISTRY OF THE MOST PATHETIC KIND. PARTICULARLY AS THEIR COURT ORDERED ANONIMITY IS STILL IN FORCE.
Sandy Brindley, Chief Executive of Rape Crisis Scotland said:
“In amongst the noise and politics of this committee inquiry the experiences of the women who reported their experiences has been side-lined, manipulated and exploited by some for political and personal gain. This is completely unacceptable.
Survivors often tell us that they fear disclosing their experiences because people may not believe them, that there will be repercussions from the person responsible or others, and if they report they fear their lives will be scrutinised and torn apart. It’s difficult to see this entire situation as anything other than a manifestation of many survivors’ worst fears on a magnified, national scale.
The remit of this inquiry is clear and both the request for these private messages and the decision of the Crown to provide them is unjust and irrelevant to the work of the committee.
YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DECIDE THIS, THE EVIDENCE REQUESTED HAS BEEN DONE SO, LAWFULLY.
Survivors are entitled to privacy
INTERSTING USE OF THE WORD ‘SURVIVORS’ I’LL REMIND YOU THAT ALEX SALMOND WAS FULLY AQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES. BUT LEAVING THAT ASIDE, THE COURT ORDER OF ANONIMITY FOR THE COMPLAINERS IS STILL ACTIVE.
and we are deeply concerned about the precedent this sets going forward,
MANY OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THIS SETS, INCLUDING THE BIGGER PICTURE, THAT IT BECOMES A METHOD OF MAKING FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST A COLLEAGUE WITH NOLEGAL CONSEQUENCE FOR THE PERPETRATORS, AND A MEANS OF CONTINUING TO BESMIRCH THE CHARACTER OF A PERSON FOUND NOT GUILTY AND FULLY AQUITTED AT A TRIAL BY A JURY OF HIS PEERS.
and the impact that this public conversation is having right now on anyone who has experienced any form of sexual harassment, abuse or assault.
I HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, I AM FEMALE, I AM ALSO A TAXPAYER, AND AN INTELLIGENT PROFESSIONAL, AND A PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN LAW AND ORDER. I AM ALSO FULLY AWARE THAT WOMAN CAN BE JUST AS CORRUPT AS MEN. YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME.
The focus of this inquiry should be on organisational accountability and capturing any possible learning for improved responses going forward. Far greater care needs to be taken to avoid worsening the intimidation and harassment of the women involved in this case.”
INTIMIDATION AND HARASSMENT ARE CLEARLY DEFINED UNDER SCOTTISH CRIMINAL LAW – I ASSUME YOU WILL BE SUBSTANTIATING THESE ALLEGATIONS AND SUPPORTING THE COMPLAINERS AS THEY CONTACT THE POLICE AND MAKE FORMAL COMPLAINTS OF THESE CRIMES.
OR ARE YOU JUST BANDING ABOUT INFLAMATORY LANGUAGE ONCE AGAIN.
SANDLY BRINDLAY – THAT YOU HAVE RELEASED THE ABOVE STATEMENT TODAY, SHOWS THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT TO BE EMPLOYED IN ANY CAPACITY WITH RAPE CRISIS CENTRE.
YOUR ERRONOUS ADVICE TO COMPLAINERS OF SEXUAL CRIMES IS LIKELY TO CAUSE UNNECCESSARY MISUNDERSTANDING AND DISTRESS.
YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MOROOV DOCTRINE AND THE ROLE OF INDEPENDENT SUPPORT ADVOCACY SERVICES – IF PASSED ON TO COMPLAINERS HAS THE REAL CAPACITY TO SEE SERIOUS CRIMINAL SEX OFFENCE TRIALS COMPROMISED TO THE POINT OF FAILURE.
IT REVEALS A SHOCKING LEVEL OF IGNORANCE OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND IS DEEPLY, DEEPLY CONCERNING.
Sorry did not mean to post it twice.
Bravo, Daisy. The fact that Ross Colhoun and the SNP PR machine were immediately promoting this ludicrous statement from the Alphabet Women’s PR Agency stinks to high hell. How the hell were the committee (or the public) to know that there was significant crossover between the Alphabet Women and the Vietnam Group until the committee saw them and the public saw this statement confessing it? Confessing also collusion between the women prior to the criminal trial! The people doing most to undermine the integrity and anonymity of the Alphabet Women are the Alphabet Women and their SG funded PR agency, Rape Crisis Scotland!
I see that the ‘LGBTwhatever History Month’ in February (apparently) is being celebrated in ‘practically the gayest parliament in the world.’ What somebody’s sexuality has to do with their competence is beyond me, but that it has become what is has become under the FM’s watch…is instructive. The inference here is that heterosexual people are unfit to work in politics. How interesting and odd.
https://twitter.com/CllrGrahamC/status/1356185078246813696
@Hatuey – dont know the result of that vote, but the English gold one appeared to be 111- 0 in favour
Nice one Daisy.
As I read that RCC statement earlier during a tea break, I had a feeling you’d be calling out the bullshit for what it is.
WhoRattledYourCage
Says it all. What a fecking midden fest. Pathetic. Men in frocks, lippy and killer heels. OMFG. AND WTF. They will go. Not sustainable in Scotland.
Rape Crisis PR statement archived
https://archive.is/Mh8SM
Will just tack this on.
Seems this BBC “Scotland” political journalist is taking an awfy similar line to the RCC statement…
https://twitter.com/bbckirstenc/status/1356638322978922497
https://open.spotify.com/episode/07yAOrf3b5ysgx6X2Z3GEX
Andy Whiteman . Good listen with Mandy
JB says:
2 February, 2021 at 7:55 pm
Rape Crisis PR statement archived
https://archive.is/Mh8SM
Well thank you Sandy (not on the front line for 20 years) for pushing your own agenda. BTW who actually pays your wages??
ME
You have pushed women back into the dark ages.
And have MEN in post.
Well done hen.
https://t.co/99LKHKQaCj?amp=1
Thank fuck
Barrister and women’s rights campaigner Sarah Phillimore has launched a crowd funder to take legal action against the actor David Paisley, and the SNP MP Kirsty Blackman, who both accused her of anti-Semitism and transphobia
Jacqueline McMillan @8:05pm – I am not Sandy. I have no connection to RCS.
The reason for archiving that, and mentioning the URL is the same as for why any other one is so archived. I’m sure you can work out what that reason is.
It is not to push any particular agenda.
Never thought you were.
Women and girls are raped every day as you well know and 99% don’t complain. SORE SUBJECT
Ah – my mistake. A limitation of the medium.
Daisy at 7.00
Thanks for that. Saved me a lot of shouting.
Having relatively recently joined SNP (prior to NEC conference votes) I find the Democratic deficit and Roughshod riding over what rules there are is increasingly shocking.
That Affiliated groups can maintain such sway over the main body of a party is undesirable. Affiliation could be reconfirmed annually by popular vote.
Am off to attend to the crowdfunded.
Captain Yossarian says:
“2 February, 2021 at 2:35 pm
@Hugh Wallace – you’re bang-on the money there sir. I think she had a delinquent brother too. Two cheeks of the same Blackman”
The brother (I forget the surname) was youngest Depute Lord Provost (& a useless tool too) if I recall correctly. Dad was involved in local politics too, though I suspect he might be less than enthralled by his daughter’s antics.
I knew nearly all the SNP councillors, MSPs, MPs & MEPs back in 2014. Collectively I thought they were an ok bunch & I enjoyed campaigning alongside them, though I was very clear that I was campaigning for Yes rather than the SNP. After the referendum I hemmed & hawed before (reluctantly) joining the SNP. I left in 2016/17 over the mistreatment of Grouse Beater (though that was the final straw rather than the only one). I absolutely despair at what the party had become now.
*in Aberdeen, not all the SNP elected officials in Scotland. Obviously.
The irony of attacking a Lesbian for Homophobia is pretty high on the “borked’ scale.
Especially given how homophobic the wokoharamists are. Their entire ideology stems from a rejection of homosexuality as a normal thing that animals engage in.
Case in point. Over in China and Hong Kong, traditionally its seen as a massive stain on a family’s honor for their child to be gay. But if that same child lives as the opposite gender, then it’s largely kosher.
Class comment Lorna Campbell
Were they too stupid to realize they were being used? Probably, and they have reaped the whirlwind for being that stupid. As will those silly lassies like Ms Blackman for also allowing herself to be used by a pernicious and insidious lobbying group who will throw them to the wolves when they have done their job. Equality will be reached when we have as many thick women as we have thick men in positions of authority. I’d say that we are getting very close.
Jacqueline McMillan says:
2 February, 2021 at 8:10 pm
She’s on Glinner’s “The Mess We’re In this week audio link
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-mess-were-in-sarah-phillimore?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNTQ3NzA3MSwicG9zdF9pZCI6MzIxMjc5NzMsIl8iOiJpd2pPTSIsImlhdCI6MTYxMjMxMDMyNiwiZXhwIjoxNjEyMzEzOTI2LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNjczMDkiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.kSAPLqYswQfxWF-aRRo1n89OAe7vBy8NHvkwj_s7DtE&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#play
Why are some people bringing Trump into this, did these fools not see what they did to trump, some numpty on here actually still said that trump was to blame for the attack on the senate
I despair
@David Caledonia
Trump WAS to blame for the attack on the Capitol. In case you hadn’t noticed he incited the mob as part of his attempted coup against the results of a democratic election. That’s called treason.
Troll.