Wings Over Scotland

There’s an easy way to find out: get Gillian Sturgeon to channel ‘dead granny Mary’ at a Tarot card reading and tell you. A loony FM and a psychic – both the girls in that family acted out in weird ways. Somebody should have paid them more attention as kids. Apparently growing up in no-horse-village Dreghorn can do funny things to somebody’s head. Interesting that the FM’s parents were so young when they had her – mother 17, dad 21. Mother has always been an SNP supporter, and later a politician. Wonder if she passed on her political urges to her eldest daughter to live vicariously through…

link to sundaypost.com

I’m as baffled as you and will be scouring the comments to see if anyone does.

But what I do know is that I would not trust the SNP to negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag let alone becoming independent from the UK.

She/her would have won the vote without the whip being needed,

but would it have showed a much larger ammount of moral SNP MSPs voting against the vote,

giving MSM/BBC a `SNP revolt/civil war` headline to run with their obsession with ferries.

“In a strange “coincidence” the Spanish are passing a tranny ID law similar to ours right now. It is almost as if there is some force, behind the scenes, manipulating these issues at a transnational level.”

Have you heard of the Denton’s Report? This article covers it: link to spectator.co.uk
And the actual report can be found here: link to iglyo.com

It’s a trick question on a number of levels. First, because it assumes we give a fuck. Secondly, because it assumes we give a fuck. And third, most importantly, because it assumes we give a fuck.

Another reason it’s a trick question is that it assumes there is some rational logical purpose in the behaviour of narcissistic sociopathic weirdos. If there is, it’s likely that rational logical people wouldn’t be able to fathom it.

Sturgeon is simply a tragedy for the Scottish people, as damaging as a natural disaster that leaves hundreds of thousands homeless, poverty stricken, and destroyed. There’s no sense in wondering why the tornado went this way or that…

All that’s left is to mourn.

Erm let’s see to stack inquires with friendly faces, to ensure VONC wins every time, to have no need to approach the other three parties at Holyrood for support, to lay the groundwork for more GRR type bills.

To broaden the appeal of the SNP by showing how inclusive they are to young voters who are pro GRR. Whatever the reasons are you can bet that Sturgeon has her own agenda at heart, and the Greens being in office are part of that, thrashed out in some seedy backroom deals that we’ll never be privy to.

Here’s just one example of Sturgeon’s performance from this morning at the Audit Committee.

She was narky and rattled after less than half an hour in and repeated this kind of waffle repeatedly.

I didn’t see it all but just off the top of my heid, we discovered that there was no cabinet scrutiny/debate prior to important decisions (unless you count being informed ‘retrospectively’ as some kind of ‘discussion’) and she cannot supply even a ballpark figure for the completion costs.

twitter.com/markthehibby/status/1588504832893419520

‘repeated repeatedly…’

🙁

Just to add.
I don’t know anyone with a good word to say about Sturgeon but they have just got another councillor voted in.

Is the whole of Scotland is some kind of mad trance?
Can no one see them for the disaster they are?

Scotland, under the SNP’s «dirty mac» brigade, is assuming the appearance of some sleazy, third-worldish perv’s paradise.
No place for kids.

Apologies looks like it’s a parody account @4.20pm.

I haven’t looked at the detail of the ferries fiasco that has cost the taxpayer many millions and resulted in all sorts of delays and inconvenience for people who live on islands, etc.

But I’ll bet on this; at the root of the decisions that caused all the hassle, we will find another vindictive point-scoring exercise, intended to personally hurt someone/people and put them in their place.

Coz that’s how the hairy rolls, ya bass.

I wonder if she thought setting up an SNP/Green coalition would look good on her post-politics CV?

Agree that she’s totally on board with them though, and likes their energy/activist base. She would probably prefer to be in the Greens herself, as she isn’t interested in the economy or infrastructure, never mind independence – preferring instead to legislate in stranger waters.

The Greens really do call all the shots, whether on roads, energy, or the GRA. Its creepy that she’s so in thrall to them, and very odd that no-one else senior in the SNP seems to find it embarrassing or demeaning – or simply illogical – to be constantly deferring to these oddballs with delusions, who can’t even manage a decent media appearance between them.

Because she herself believes in it. I thought for a long time that it was all a gimmick to get young voters on board and to keep her own, and Daddy Bear’s, young blue-haired ones in the fold. Until she made that video. Until she went on television and told an interviewer that gender critical women were basically making a mountain out of a molehill, that it was all perfectly safe, when only complete braincell-less-ness could account for that level of delusion. There was real animus in her tone.

She believes in this unadulterated, dangerous lunacy, and/or she believes in what is behind it – which is mega, mega mega bucks, neoliberal capitalism, Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Prosthetics, etc. Behind the billionaires are the loony left, the nihilists, never happier than when they are destroying the fabric of society.

You could almost feel sorry for the latter if they were not so vile and dangerous. When they try this stuff in other parts of the world, they’ll soon discover what ‘no debate’ and “getting strung up by the balls” really mean. As if they would have the balls in the first place to try out, say, Afghanistan.

May I suggest that Nicola Sturgeon, Lorna Slater, Shona Robison, Kirsty Blackman, Mhairi Black and the sundry other handmaidens of the female ("Tractor" - Ed)s brigade put their money where their big fat gobs are and do a stint in one of the top female prisons where ‘trans’ women are housed. According to a number of these incarcerated women, cockerel displays are par for the course, as is communal showering and sharing cells.

They could take Patrick Harvie, Daddy Bear, John Nicholson in with them. Say… a couple of weeks to a month? Then they can come back and tell us all how proud they are to have shared their female experiences with such fine woman-facing gents. Oh, did I forget to say that most of them are sex offenders? Och, never mind. Nothing like learning on the job, eh?

@Lorna Campbell (5.22) –

Ha!

It would make compulsive viewing too.

‘I’m A Total Throbber Get Me Out Of Here!’

My only possible explanation is –
Her handler told her to do it.
Maybe the Brits want to bring down Sturgeon and the SNP and part of the plan is to use the madness of the Greens.

It’s all I’ve got

She got three things.

First was the satisfaction of sticking two fingers up at Alex Salmond and Alba.
Second was the satisfaction of sticking two fingers up at Labour.
Third was the satisfaction of sticking two fingers up…take your pick.

@Chas 2:37

Good post.

A question comes to mind (soz):

If entry to WM/HR is as easy and lucrative as you suggest, why are none of the dedicated and savvy BTL posters on here getting stuck in?

I recall reading an interview with US left-wing activist Michael Moore. He claimed that it was the easiest thing in the world to stand for office – you just do it. You explain your pitch. You ask people to vote for you.

If your policies resonate, if your character is sound, if you put in the effort, you get votes. It’s not rocket science.

Endless posts on here from people who have spent years, soon to be decades, bemoaning the lack of progress on Indy.

Yet not one of them prepared to stand up, say “sod it”, and stand for office themselves.

And week after week, posting about how ineffectual and how useless their elected representatives are, and how simple the problems would be to solve.

Does not compute, does it?

HOW DID THE SNP END UP IN THIS GROTESQUE CUL-de-SAC?

Nicola Sturgeon survives in office because there too many people in SNP cumfy seats in Westminster, Holyrood, Glasgow Council and SNP HQ!

My own journey may fully desribe her rise to power and her retention of it:

1. When I joined the SNP in 1974, a mandate for Independence would be obtained when the Party won a majority of the Scottish MPs sent to Westminster. This “Big Bang Theory” was accepted by (almost) everyone, including Margaret Thatcher and, way before her, Winston Churchill. Devolution changed everything in the 1990s when Alex Salmond persuaded most Nationalists (including me) to accept Devolution as a “first step to Independence”. “If only we could show the poor Scottish people that, with limited self-government powers, we could make a go of running things for ourselves, surely the path to full-blooded Independence would be obvious!” This route was to prove an unattainable mirage.

2. Salmond put far too much faith in Nicola Sturgeon in the old days, thinking he could control her. While he attended to constitutional and economics matters as FM, she was his deputy who had free rein over health, social care and other social matters – a huge remit. He trusted her, which he must bitterly regret now! However, she was not on the same personal agenda which I have discovered in my research. Whether they had a “lavender marriage” or not, the Murrells, Peter and Nicola, had a plan for private power and control in political life. I believe Salmond, who is on record as objecting to the pair being at the top of the Party and Government, stated when he was on his way out as FM. It was too late then and the Murrells just ignored him. He should have done something about it when he was in power, not complained afterwards. A few high-profile people, such as Kenny MacAskill, objected but it was also too late. Since then, Sturgeon has successfully ridden two horses as Leader of the Party, with her husband as a mere apparatchik, and, separately, as First Minister, . She has successfully convinced many people – for example within the MSM – that she has Chinese walls in her brain. No pillow talk between the Murrells, of course!

3. One crucial thing that Salmond did was introduce a popular referendum of the Scottish electorate as a necessary step to go through to achieve Independence. “Surely after achieving a majority of SNP MSPs at Holyrood (as in 2011 but not repeated since then) and at Westminster (as in 2015 and thereafter), we could win a referendum of the people”. But it was not to be.

4. This alternative Gradualism (akin to “Steady State Theory” in Physics), plus a a steady Party growth, allowed the SNP to attract: (a) lots of mediocre carpet-baggers who saw a career at Holyrood, one that they couldn’t achieve outside, and (b) lobby and other action groups to latch on to this new rising political movement, not just the usual lefty-liberal types but emerging forces like Feminism, LGBT and others, who seldom saw the pursuit of Independence as their cause, but a suitable “local” vehicle to associate with. These groups returned little to us but Sturgeon (and others) were receptive, new forces within politics to court – and with her particular persona and psyche, she reciprocated.

4. From 1999 to 2007, SNP MSPs were mostly people with real-life baggage with them. In other words, they had earned a living and inhabited the outside world, free from immersion within the political bubble. Salmond did the right thing in 2007 in assembling a pretty competent government who didn’t make too many mistakes. The message was minority, but competent government. Sturgeon was one of the few who didn’t have much experience after she qualified as a solicitor – and a chequered short career it was too. Our circumstances changes in 2011 when in the Scottish Election we were able to “game the electoral system”, winning 69 seats out of 129 (53% of the total) with only 46% of the vote. (Labour choose the wrong “game” by concentrating on constituencies with no dual nominations to constituency and region.)

5. We lost the Independence Referendum in 2014 by 55.3% to 44.7%, a huge margin of 10.6%. In my opinion, Salmond was wrong to resign – stupidly he thought he could still control Sturgeon who was “crowned” with his blessing. Big mistake. The MSP 2011 input had produced a cohort who often thought, largely, that they could rule the world but they had little experience of the actual world outside politics. Few had earned a living in trade, business and the professions. The result has been growing governmental incompetence ever since.

6. Nevertheless, the Government and many MSPs were easy meat for Wokish lobby groups, either due to: their own orientation, being flattered by attention, seeking an easy, cumfy life, or occasionally thinking they were doing good. Also, the Party has been completely corrupted internally, starting in 2017 with the abolition of National Council and the reduction of ordinary member representation and the proliferation of overlapping special interest groups on the NEC. Now NEC controls everything, including direct candidate selection, through the Murrells, Angus Robertson (predictably), Michael Russell (sadly) and several others in the Nicola band of acolytes. Conferences for many years are just Nicola fan-club rallies.

7. There will be no indyref2 next year and Sturgeon and her coterie will play us for sheepish fools until the Party collapses or they leave at their own choice.

This is the story of many organisations, not just political parties. A complete change, either internally generated, or forced upon it, will be required to reverse out this nasty cul-de-sac.

Re the ferries fiasco – Ian Brotherhood, there is this on the BBC website which has some cursory analysis:

link to bbc.co.uk

John Main

But, but, the BPHB have tartan blood coursing through there veins. Surely that is enough? Would you consider voting for the likes of RoS, Che or Shateuy? Would anybody?
Far better for them to pontificate from the side lines boring the sane amongst to death about their favourite subjects that no one takes seriously.

@Ian Brotherhood 9:50pm
They saw themselves off with falsehoods and plain daft policies. A golden opportunity wasted. I think we have to wait a long time on the bards singing about Nicola. Unless it’s about the destruction of our public services.

Was the Green deal not tabled as a panicked response to the prospect of several SNP MSPs crossing the floor to join Alba?

Is it not now simply a convenient alliance that doesn’t need to exist, but serves the ego of both sides and keeps the T voters happy?

@Lorna Campbell 5.22: bluntly put but right enough. I can’t understand any real feminist empowering these creepy men, and yet many seem to wish them well, in the belief that they are being kind or understanding to them. I’ve heard a statistic that only about 5% of those self-IDing as trans women have actually gone through the full chemical/surgical procedure to “womanhood”. Do you have any idea if this is so?

I wish I could remember the name of the female prison governor who resigned over this issue, following rapes of women by so-called “trans women” in prison.

We’re in a madhouse here, an unscientific, believe-what-you-want-to believe madhouse where the cultish mindset laid out by Vivian O’Blivion @1.37 is becoming increasingly persuasive as an explanation.

Look no further than The Salmond Enquiry. How would you ensure that the commission will see things your way? And what price would you be prepared to pay?

“Shaking My Head says:
4 November, 2022 at 10:19 pm

‘Ian Brotherhood says:
4 November, 2022 at 8:49 pm
@John Main –

Alice Cooper has stood for the US presidency at every opportunity since the mid-70s or something. Hunter S Thomson did likewise.’

Hunter S Thompson never ran for president. He ran for sheriff of Aspen, Colorado. And lost.”

See also Kinky Friedman; stood for governor of Texas, at least.

The article seems quite conciliatory to me, Ian, not what I expected. The emphasis is on putting the mistakes and bad decisions made behind us.

I disagree with that since the bad decisions are ongoing. Non-covid excess deaths in the UK and elsewhere remain disturbingly high. Another “vaccine” rollout is underway. It’s Russian roulette at the population level.

The MSM, social media companies, and political class, are deplatforming anyone that deviates from the official narrative.

Something like 95% of those who died with covid during the pandemic were over 75 years old. From memory, the average age was 82, higher than average life expectancy.

But the excess deaths we are seeing right now are distributed across all age groups. That statistic alone should ring alarm bells everywhere.

Those who call people “covidiots” might want to try explaining that.

The brit secret service is holding the snp sg in the palm of their hands.

We may be giving too much credit here. It could as well have been done as a simple marketing exercise.

The SNP: the Party of Independence.
The Greens: the Other Party of Independence.

A nicely tied up collection of people with priorities other than Independence, in other words, but covering all the brand bases for the consumers. Aldi and Lidl versions are available of course, but, you know, they’re for the poors.

If you’re reading, MSPs, I hope there’s another silent coup in progress. Don’t let her keep going till there’s nothing left.

Alf Baird says:
5 November, 2022 at 12:55 am
Hatuey @ 4:42 pm

Nobody has looked close enough, really, or in the right places. Not even the BBC in its recent analysis. Audit Scotland remains wide of the mark…

Agreed 100%.

Whether it’s the process that’s flawed having an “inquiry” which is essentially amateur politicians interrogating amateur Ministers, where the only “professionalism” is they are paid to do it, or whether the system itself is sound but manned by incompetents.

In all these matters of “Governmental” incompetence, I think there is a constant issue with Scotland not having it’s own Civil Service loyal to Scotland, nor indeed a Home Security Agency acting as watchdog against corruption.

I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between.

The third flaw in the system is the absence of accountability since there is no codified process of impeachment.

I noted Craig Hoy’s unsubtle attempts have Sturgeon say the words she accepts responsibility personally for the fiasco, and Sturgeon’s even less subtle attempt to shirk any blame; she’s only responsible because she’s presiding over the debacle, not causing it.

That’s really not good enough to be trusting the conscience and integrity of rogues to do the right thing. We need an impeachment protocol to compel them and if necessary remove them from office.

Sadly, it’s just more evidence Holyrood is a half baked and ineptly set up Institution, with other gaping holes in it’s political infrastructure besides the Constitutional shambles. It’s parish council skullduggery and amateurish oneupmanship masquerading as Government.

Scotland needs the real thing. A proper professional Government answerable to the Scottish people… and I mean answerable, and underpinned by a competent and surefooted Scottish Civil Service which swears it’s own fealty to the sovereign people.

As with so many things, like the Salmond stitch up, hatred of other pro Indy parties, hatred of pro Indy blogs and media, hatred of Commomweal and anyone with decent strategy and planning for independence skills, eg Tim Rideout, Andy Whiteman, Joanna Cherry, Alf Baird etc, you can go round in circles asking “Why?” But the only logical explanation it keeps coming back to is – because their sole goal (SNP and Green leaderships) is to frustrate independence, damage the movement and destroy support for both independence and Holyrood.

Ian B . In the interest of that much maligned concept – fact , John Main was on the side of the – equally maligned * covidiots * , didn’t succumb to the deliberately orchestrated hysteria and displayed an admirable ability to think for himself . Which makes his UNCRITICAL acceptance of the U v R narrative all the more baffling . Ah well , so it goes .

Hatuey ; I agree with yr comments on that article ( which I read the other day ) . It’s far too conciliatory , it’s NOT time to * move on * , not – as you say – when the real Covidiots are still at large , pushing their utterly useless chemical experiments and while the alarming rates of – all age – excess deaths are being studiously/shamelessly ignored .

Lastly …..I forced myself to watch that clip of the increasingly demented looking ( and acting ) Sturgeon wriggling like the proverbial worm on a hook , the lies and evasions tripping over themselves in a frantic display of buck-passing . Her demeanour one of ” how dare a man question me ” , her boredom with anything to do with Scotland palpable .

It gets harder and harder to believe her capacity to remain unscathed from one fuck-up to the next is not due to her having some kind of protection . Any journalist worthy of the name could bring her down .

If what we see on the surface is bad – what we’re allowed to see , imagine what we can’t see , what’s been going on below the surface , ” behind closed doors ” . It will all come out eventually , I’m sure ; no doubt at a time of the Brit State’s choosing and when it can do maximum damage .

These types laugh at people who care about things. They think caring for anything is stupid. They get a sort of perverted kick out of tricking people and pretending they also care, and they toast their antics afterwards like the real estate salesmen in Glengarry Glen Ross. This is basically what they teach kids in public schools.

They attack and approach everything from a sociopathic nihilist position. The only question that’s rational in their minds, the only concern that’s valid, is what’s in it for me?

Their souls end up so poisoned that anyone or anything that represents hope, truth, justice, or anything positive whatsoever, is perceived as a threat to them, despised, and viciously attacked. On a certain level that’s logical of them, because genuinely good people make them look really bad and they don’t want to face their own ugliness.

There’s a few of those types on here that many of you will be familiar with — no need to name names. They shoot down everything that’s positive and constructive, and only show genuine enthusiasm and compassion for things like war, misery, belittling people, etc.

But their biggest victims are themselves. Their own belief system destroys and corrupts them, leaving them barren and utterly hopeless, going through the motions of a pointless life in a world which has no meaning.

“The hopeless don’t revolt because revolution is an act of hope…” (Kropotkin)

(Yes, I know, one of them will be along soon to punish me for all this. So it goes.)

If the SNP gov cannot profit by the current state of Ukania politics it never will.
Infiltration, lack of political will/intelligence/imagination, fear or just a collection of third raters manifesting all of the forementioned.
In a world where the west’s chief leading power is headed by a gaga geriatric truly the global political class is a spent product.
Enjoy the delights of Sharm, aka City of Peace, you poseurs.
Don’t touch the prawns cocktail!
Nahaarkum sa’iid.

Ottomanboi says:
5 November, 2022 at 9:10 am

” If the SNP gov cannot profit by the current state of Ukania politics it never will.”

The only way it can do so , Otto , is by creating the illusion that it is – somehow – * better * than the aforementioned ( disgraceful ) state of Ukania politics . Fckn hell ! Yr archetypal 3rd World Banana Republic could appear the apogee of rational governance by comparison .

That it is – in actuality – NOT in any meaningful way profiting ( ie significantly advancing support for Independence ) from the succession of evermore deranged English Tory * lead singers * tells us all we need to know about the hopelessness of Nu SNP .

The thing is , some of us were saying a while back it was likely the Tories would eventually – after dismal May/hap , sick Joke Johnson and ridiculous Truss , come-up with a leader with a soupcon more credibility . In Sunak they have done so . HE might not provide such an easy target . Even if he does , we can be fairly sure the SNP Freak Show will still miss .

Hatuey @ 8.44 . Excellent post compadre 🙂

I suspect it’s to demonstrate the pro-indy majority in less nuanced terms to the wider UK press, elecorate and govt.

Although I don’t think it makes a difference substantial enough to negate the disadvantages. The Greens now have a very easy means to make headlines when they “walk away” which they will use are some point.

Slater and Harvie have been very quiet recently. Slater non-existent. I don’t have twitter so maybe they’re active on that but to the likes of me they’ve been very quiet indeed in MSM. Maybe that’s a benefit. Stymied by crumbs of power possibly.

Cath @ 7:59 am

“the only logical explanation it keeps coming back to is – because their sole goal (SNP and Green leaderships) is to frustrate independence, damage the movement and destroy support for both independence and Holyrood”

I’m afraid that’s all we can ever expect wi a hauf-wey hoose colonial administration and its hunners o institutions still run by those with allegiance to the imperial (Crown) power.

Tho hits nivver sae easy tae ser twa maisters (twa soveranty’s), as we can see on the SNP elites faces and in their deceitfu actions and words – thay appen thair mou’s an deceit fa’s oot.

@Ian Brotherhood 11:50

A sparkling wee gem of a post, Ian.

In the course of an hour, we had:

Ian: “See you, John, you ca’ed people Covidiots, so ye did”

John: “Naw ah did nae. Tell ye fit, prove it if ye can”

Ian: “Ah dinna hae tae prove it. Ah ken fit ye did. Noo fuck aff”

Exactly the “logic” and method used to bring AS low. The accusation, followed up by the doubling down when the accusation goes unproven. Maybes Ian has posted plenty on here about that outrage against natural justice, maybes not.

You’ve just been fast tracked for membership of the nutters group on Wings BTL, Ian. No need to be shy, you’re a natural.

@Hats 12:39

I recall your post where you asserted that the unvaxxed should fuck off and die.

There was another one where you called for the righteously vaxxed to shun the unclean unvaxxed.

You might want to try explaining that.

@John Main –

If I’ve mistakenly paired you with Ellis then I apologise.

Perhaps I should’ve fingered Hatuey instead?

In any case, I can’t speak for anyone else but the whole ‘pandemic amnesty’ idea shouldn’t be considered until there is agreement on what actually happened.

Just yesterday I got the big blue envelope landing on the carpet, from where it went straight into the bin. It would’ve been for the covid/flu shot because I’m over 50. I’m not getting it. How many others will refuse and leave themselves vulnerable to the amazing flu which inexplicably disappeared these two winters past?

I’m all for truth and reconciliation but they have to be ‘done’ in that order.

PacMan says:
5 November, 2022 at 10:47 am

Maybe the coalition with the Greens is simply egotism on Sturgeons part.

Pure speculation on my part but as the Rev’s article, there is no logic to the coalition so any speculation about it is valid.

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We DON’T ELECT the Government or the First Minister.

‘First Past The Post’ is how WM works, not Holyrood.

Most seats DOES NOT EQUATE to PARTY OF GOVERNMENT.

FM does NOT LEAD THE PARTY OF GOVERNMENT, ONLY THE SCOTTISH MINISTERS, notwithstanding internal party rules.

FM can offer ANY MEMBER, from ANY PARTY, a CABINET POSITION.

There’s the logic.

yw,hth

I bet all you Scottish historians could never have predicted that a wee 5Ft high lesbian from Ayrshire would end up with more power of the Scottish people than Robert the Bruce.

She conned the lot of us,,,not just Alex Salmond.

Ian Brotherhood

Apology accepted.

I would advise that you rethink the flu jab offer. The letter is probably for both jabs, flu and Covid, but when you turn up on the day, you can tell them if you only want one, and which one you want.

There is some concern that people’s natural resistance to flu may have declined because of lack of exposure to it, which is why there are predictions of a bad “flu season” ahead.

Anyways, I am getting my flu jab. Having had both Covid and flu (at different times), I will take Covid over flu any day.

Another wee snippet from ferries inquiry where she avoids the question.

Does anyone know offhand how many times she’s broken the ministerial code? Have we hit double figures yet? If not we can’t be far off it, and each one is a resigning matter.

link to twitter.com

@Brotherhood 10.20 am

Ellis, at 8.40, claims that The Atlantic article I posted last night is behind a paywall.

The fact that he doesn’t want to address it shouldn’t put off others from reading it. Not a pleasant read (for all sorts of reasons) but important all the same.

It is if you’ve already read a couple of Atlantic articles in any given period. You only get to access a few before you have to subscribe.

If you lack the wit to precis the arguments, or make your own on a basis more convincing than you’ve managed to date, it’s a matter for you. Covidiots gonna covidiot right enough…… same old same old.

It’s no different from those who insisted the MMR vaccine caused autism. There’s always a leavening of fruitloops who find the shiny conspiracy theory – however outlandish – more attractive than the quotidian reality backed by science.

Andy Ellis says:
5 November, 2022 at 1:33 pm

It’s no different from those who insisted the MMR vaccine caused autism. There’s always a leavening of fruitloops who find the shiny conspiracy theory – however outlandish – more attractive

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Dear Wendy Ellis,

Do you think Monica Coghlan believed in a) coincidences, b) conspiracy theories, c) both a & b.

Yours,

“Scott”

@”Scott”

Dear Wendy Ellis,

“Scott”

I’ve no idea what Coghlan believed in, or its relevance.

When you come within a parsec of a point though, get back to us.

Ian brotherhood: “Perhaps I should’ve fingered Hatuey instead?”

I am compelled to suggest that “fingering” yourself might be a more satisfying and fruitful undertaking.

Nobody outside of big pharma came out of the covid years victorious — certainly not those who recklessly advised people against taking medication that all the science and experts told us would potentially save their lives.

“Ian exemplifies what the words of the wonderful Karine Polwart in her song Skater on the Surface:” – Wendy Ellis

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And Ellis exemplifies what a child-like cunt looks like.

IanB,
John Main was never an advocate of the restrictions imposed on us by our government regarding covid and his position was more in line with yours.

Hatuey, to his credit, was willing to debate certain aspects of why people should or shouldn’t get the jab and understood that there was a risk v reward aspect in operation to the extent he didn’t believe children should be getting it.

Andy Ellis, on the other hand, was a full throttle bat shit crazy zealot regarding enforcement of the government narrative to the extent that he was willing to help create a vaccine passport apartheid and punish people to the full extent of laws that would be created to specifically fabricate an Untermensch in our society.
He thought/thinks that not being fully vaccinated is the same as drink driving.

I’m happy to be corrected if I have misrepresented any of the above, I’m working from memory and previous interactions.

Your memory is good, breastplate. When government agencies were advising that children be vaccinated, I said the data didn’t support it. It didn’t.

And that was before we found out they lied and cheated on the data and science which was the basis for the rest of being vaccinated, and before we found out at least some of the truth about side effects…

I’m disgusted at all this. We’ve all been lied to by people, organisations, and authorities that we thought we could trust.

Scott,
I think Hatuey has already conceded that he was wrong in regards trusting untrustworthy sources. It’s an easy trap to fall into, I’m sure we’ve all fallen into it at some time or other, it’s very difficult if not impossible to be on guard every minute of every day.

We’re all being manipulated all of the time.

Scott: “You were ‘othering, with malice aforethought’ those pointing out the flaws in the logic that was being punted by those YOU thought YOU could trust.”

So, you don’t trust doctors, health professionals, health planners, nurses, GPs, Government Health managers, public health experts, and a bunch of other people that we rely on every day for basic health care. All of them, somewhere in the region of 99.9999%, were all advising us to get vaccinated, that it could save our lives.

I trusted them over the unfounded, unscientific, non-expert advice of people who were called anti-vaxxers. At the time, given that virtually the whole medico-health community was telling us vaccines were safe, a community that most of us trust(ed) unreservedly on a regular basis, I considered it was reckless to encourage people not to get vaccinated.

So, yes, guilty… of trusting people that we all thought we could trust. And guilty again… of opposing the reckless advice of people online who demonstrated no scientific understanding or reasonable grounds for their protestations.

Straight to hell I go, but with over 90% of the UK population vaccinated, I’ll not be short of company when I get there.

Hatuey says:
6 November, 2022 at 7:21 pm

So, you don’t trust doctors, health professionals, health planners, nurses, GPs, Government Health managers, public health experts, and a bunch of other people that we rely on every day for basic health care.

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I don’t trust anyone that uses false logic.

You did, and look how that worked out.

Auntie Judy’s boy, Jamie Murray, said ‘they wouldn’t advise us to take it if it wasn’t safe’

Is he the kind of expert you’re referring to, ya crackpot? Could he have played tennis if his maw had taken Thalidomide?

@Breastplate 11.19 am

Andy Ellis, on the other hand, was a full throttle bat shit crazy zealot regarding enforcement of the government narrative to the extent that he was willing to help create a vaccine passport apartheid and punish people to the full extent of laws that would be created to specifically fabricate an Untermensch in our society.

That’s a flat out lie. I never supported vaccine passports here or anywhere else. I also went on record to say I thought vaccinating children was pointless and that many of the restrictions were over the top and went on too long.

I do think people not being unvaccinated unless they have medical reasons for doing so, rather than woo-woo ascientific “feelings in their water and conspiracy theory dredgings” are anti-social and have likened it’s lack of acceptability to drink driving. It’s an unexceptional view held by most normal folks, which is why the usual suspects in here are so triggered by it.

The question is, what does a lying piece of scum like you think is gained by lying so publicly?

“I do think people not being unvaccinated [sic] unless they have medical reasons for doing so, rather than woo-woo ascientific “feelings in their water and conspiracy theory dredgings [sic]” are anti-social and have likened it’s [sic] lack of acceptability to drink driving [sic].” Wendy Ellis

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Ellis hates himself and his life so much that he spends time labelling others for pleasure.

I blame his parents, paira cunts.

Hatuey says:
6 November, 2022 at 11:16 pm

So, did you get vaccinated?
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I ignored the invitation and the reminder. I’ve also ignored the flu/coronavirus jags invitation and shall continue to do so.

I always assess my own risk when it comes to medication of any sort and request accordingly.

Hatuey says:
7 November, 2022 at 12:11 am

Okay that’s an interesting position, Scott, commendable.

But wait…

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There is no ‘but wait’, ya stupid cunt.

Any and all medication I take in the future will be at my request, as happens now. I am capable of research, and discuss my needs with the person with prescribing powers. I know my own body and how it reacts to certain configurations of molecules.

I also know my rights; I don’t defer to authority people don’t possess. You might have noticed I allude to that quite often.

Fuck off out of a subject you’re too fucking dense to comprehend.

Andy Ellis says:
7 November, 2022 at 7:44 am

@”Scott” 9.29 pm

Aw, mate….given the misanthropic wreck of a human being you’ve turned out to be your parents must wish the knocking shop you were conceived in had been better provided with condoms.

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I never asked my Da where I was conceived or if my Maw charged him for the pleasure every time they did it during their marriage.

One of them was always a bitter cow, the other looked just like me.

And just for laughs at your attempt at trashing reputations, my Gran ran a brothel in the East End. Women have always liked their hole and men have always been happy to pay for it. Yer Da might have popped in for a go at whoever was on that night. I come from a very large family, lol.

Aquarius says:
7 November, 2022 at 12:58 pm

@scott 9.50.0n 5.11.22

I am a cycloptic wanker apparently, becuase of my lazy child abusing patents. Even if any of that were true, it is highly offensive. As I have said before, and attracted advsers comment, how could you possibly expect to attract Indy Supporters using language like that?

All generalisations are false, as an old school chum of mine used to say.

It is at least helpful for me to know that it is all my parents’ fault that I am a cycloptic wanker. I no longer need to blame myself.
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You’re the one making generalisations here, not I.

Places like Eton & Harrow do produce cycloptic wankers, I’ve met them. I’ve also met some not like that at all.

Well done for agreeing with me, you tautology.

Rev Stu.

Yesterday my mother passed away suddenly, it is very upsetting to say the least,
However on posting that I may not be on here regular for a wee period of time,
There were many warm genuine hearted people that understood and offered their condolences.
I am sure you will be able to read their names on your following post,

This happened also at the beginning of this year when I lost four family members in the period of six months during covid and vaccines.
Again there was much support from your commentators that kept me going, and in general the independence for Scotland supporter is in this class of people.

But they are being derailed and abused by the same perpetrators time and again, whom no matter the subject being discussed oppose all views and actually agitate for a arguement, seek out a reaction from your regular posters.
Discussion and debating the topics you post is excellent, and inevitably the topic eventually changes as it runs its course with more information from others being introduced and contributing,

Your site is invaluable to all of us, and you have kept us up to date with stats, and correcting the actual truth behind story lines from MSM for many years.
You are as much part of our lives as any one could be, even although we may never meet.

Keeping all this in mind a few of us have become aware that some of the regular verbal abuse, by the predominately same people being thrown about is beyond the normal on Wings, and appears to seek out to disrupt you site.
Many still read but have stopped commentating here due to being regularly abused,
I like a few others have been on your site from pretty much the beginning,

I suspect your commentators would return in their droves if the regular abusers and deliberate agitators were removed.
I am taking a break for a short period of time, due to my mother passing away, but I hope to return to your site with renewed vigour for the good of all Scots and Scotlands independence. And end with much affection for you and all your hard work.

Harvie could’ve said ‘Give us a coalition deal or we’re taking all our crackpots back that have infiltrated the SNP’