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Posted on July 17, 2015 by

We’re still trying to get our heads round this:

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The article in question, which we posted last night regarding the former Parliamentary Assistant to Scottish Labour deputy leader hopeful Richard Baker who’s just defected to the Tories, was entirely comprised of some of Stephen Anderson’s own tweets.

It carried no editorial commentary on them whatsoever, and none of the tweets had (of course) been doctored in any way, so the only way the piece could have been “filled with inaccuracies” would have been if the tweets themselves were drivel.

We wish Ruth Davidson the best of luck with her new recruit.

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But it’s not just the Tories who are facing the prospect of a tricky future in Scotland against a rampant SNP while crewed with a team of worryingly dim young people.

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The tweet above was posted yesterday by Taylor James Scott, who’s the Campaign Manager for Ken McIntosh’s bid to become the new Scottish Labour branch office manager. It refers to the maiden speech of SNP MP Mhairi Black, who earlier this week told the Commons that she was the only 20-year-old in Britain the Chancellor was prepared to help with her housing costs.

But the speech expressly referred to (a) housing benefit being abolished for under-21s, and (b) Black’s second-home accommodation as an MP in London – MPs don’t get expenses for their constituency home. Neither matter is devolved to Holyrood, which would have absolutely no discretion or power to contribute in any way to Ms Black’s housing costs even if she asked it to.

Mr Scott declined to respond to any of the people pointing out these basic facts to him, but didn’t delete the tweet (which had been retweeted by Scottish Young Labour, home of another young party official we reported on this week, Eunis Jassemi).

He’d been backed up by an older head (though not a wiser one, as he’d been the man responsible for the selection of abusive imbecile Kathy Wiles as a Labour candidate for May’s general election), familiar social-media face John Ruddy:

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It could be argued that making sneery, petty attacks on Black’s speech was a dumb idea in and of itself, given that it had already been received rapturously right across the political divide and far beyond Scotland, garnering well over six million views on various websites within 24 hours and reaching as far as the USA and Australia.

But to do so in a manner so fatuously and crassly inaccurate, and to have the attacks come from party officials who appeared to be demonstrating complete cluelessness about the most basic workings of devolution, is a special kind of thick.

The Unionist old guard in Scotland has been put out to pasture. (And/or to the House Of Lords.) If this is the calibre of what’s coming up through the ranks to replace them in responsible positions, God help Labour and the Tories.

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    1. Lanarkist says:

      It is surprising that these individuals reach any level of meaningful input to the Scottish branches of the Unionist parties.

      It just shows the pitifully shallow talent pool contains only bottom dwellers!

    2. Andy Nimmo says:

      They’d be illiterate if only they knew what it meant
      Twenty plus years ago when I worked in the NHS,intle Learning Disabilities field, there was a cadre of old style ‘nursing professionals’ who had worked inthe ols style ‘ intitutions’.
      Despite overwhelming backing for ‘ care in the community’, they held firm to the mantra that

    3. Taranaich says:

      Well, considering the people of Scotland wiped out the cream of the crop in May, it’s natural that what remains of New Labour in Scotland won’t reach the erudite heights of a Brian Donohoe or Russell Brown…

    4. Andy Nimmo says:

      Some people are just so into institutionalised thinking, they can’t see the wood for the trees.
      Planks that they are

    5. Peter Macbeastie says:

      Taranaich, it might have been the cream of the crop, but bear in mind it’s not just cream that rises to the top; it’s also pond scum.

      The new crop appear to be barely fit to tie their own shoelaces without tying them together and falling over. How on earth could a supposedly politically active person believe housing is devolved?

      As for Stephen, I think we’ve got the measure of him. He’s not the sharpest, is he? I’ve got a hammer somewhere that’s sharper than him….

    6. Doug Daniel says:

      People get involved in politics for one of two reasons: a desire for power, or a desire to fight power. I dare say there are a plethora of minor reasons, but I can’t think of any that don’t fall into those two general categories.

      (Perhaps some do it for social reasons, like because your spouse or parents make you tag along, but I suspect any lasting involvement would still be down to one of those two reasons.)

      If I was a young person who felt there were injustices in the world that needed to be fought, which party would I join? Would I join one of the ones which has been fighting tooth and nail to preserve establishment Britain’s death-grip on society; or would I join the ones that have subversive ideals?

      If I was a young person whose parents had done well out of the status quo, who saw no reason for things to change, and who saw their life mapped out for them under the current conditions, would I join the parties that fight to preserve that way of life, or would I join the ones that seek to destroy it?

      The kind of young person who joins a unionist party is generally a middle class nitwit from a well-off family, whose only worry in life is that something comes along to change their way of life. A conservative, basically, in the broadest sense of the word. All three unionist parties have conservation of the status quo at the heart of their ideologies now, which is why they’ve simply become three different shades of the Tory party. If the modern world has given you power, then you will be attracted to those who seek to preserve it – and that’s the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems.

      Conversely, even as a party of government for 8 years, and looking set for a third term, the SNP remains a subversive party, seeking to upset the apple cart, just as the Greens and socialists seek to upset current economic models. They all seek to change the status quo, and therefore they appeal to young folk who want to fight power.

      As a result, all the bright, independent-minded and principled young things are coming to the pro-independence parties. The well-educated-but-thick-as-pigshit well-off dimwits who can’t understand why the status quo needs to be smashed are going to the rest.

      Or something like that.

    7. Another Union Dividend says:

      Letter serial letter writer in Edinburgh Evening News (Michelle Smyth) attacking Mhairi Black’s speech on basis of what she didn’t mention and going on about oil prices.

      Far be it for me to remind Labour of why they lost the election or that Labour deputy leader is in favour of the Welfare cuts.

    8. HandandShrimp says:

      To be fair it was only John. He was 110% SNP=bad when most of his contemporaries were only geared up to around 75% SNP=bad

      🙂

      It would be helpful if Mr Anderson could point out which of his tweets was inaccurate though.

    9. heedtracker says:

      Well, this is it, the last of the Mohicans: failed party planner to Morningside’s Labour MP and Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland.

      https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP

      The wild and wacky world of teamGB.

    10. Clootie says:

      I thought Ken McIntosh was going for nice clean politics with no nasty slurs or spins…apparently he is going to let his staff do it for him.

      Ken could act to ensure his staff follow his lead but I doubt it.

    11. shiregirl says:

      …but why is Mr Anderson stating on twitter only yesterday he has never held a paid post in politics, only in retail in catering and telling us to get our facts straight?

      And how could an article made up of his own tweets be inaccurate? And full of vitriol? When did the Rev tell him to f*** 0**? Am I looking at two different accounts here?

      Was he Richard Bakers intern or is this makey- uppy stuff? He tweeted he was….is this an inaccuracy on Mr Anderson’s part, perhaps!

      Mr Anderson, have the integrity to apologise for suggesting WoS have inaccurately made comment about you.

      There were many readers who left comments suggesting everyone has the right to change opinion. What I still can’t understand is how someone with true socialist feelings could ever defect to tory in such a short period of time.

      And for the record – his twitter account has some rather nasty unionist (“SNP fail”) on it saying things (I assume) about the Rev, so again hypocritical to claim cybernat abuse when it isn’t the case.

      Grow up, son.

    12. uno mas says:

      Extremely O/T and very early in the thread but I just had to share this.

      I opened Wikipedia to check on something and found myself reading to my astonishment “Todays Featured Article” which is about a Scottish Antartic Explorer named William Spiers Bruce.

      The thing is I am in my sixties, reasonably well educated and very well read and I have never heard of this man and his outstanding achievments.

      I was taught all about Scott and Shakleton at school so why was this man airbrushed from the education curriculum.

      Like I don´t know the answer.

      If Like me you´ve no previous knowledge of William Spiers Bruce I invite yoiu to spend ten minutes reading the article and then more importantly share with all the contacts that you have especially amongst the young.

      Another example of our history and culture being supressed from our knowledge bank.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Antarctic_Expedition

    13. Macart says:

      Just wow! 😀

      And they’re at a loss as to why they’ve all been rejected at the ballot?

      Seriously?

    14. Murray McCallum says:

      There will be a lot of back-slapping going down at the Labour Scottish Regional Branch outpost.

      It’s quite remarkable how they persevere with effectively ignoring the Scottish electorate, hammering away at SNP bad while abstaining (doing nothing) is good.

      Meanwhile, at least one of the ambitious factions of Labour HQ is busy polishing OneNation, patriotic Labour England as the big solution to all their problems.

    15. Stoker says:

      The Rev wrote:
      “The Unionist old guard in Scotland has been put out to pasture..
      If this is the calibre of what’s coming up through the ranks to replace them in responsible positions, God help Labour and the Tories.”

      ((((( SHIP AHOY, YOU’RE HEADING INTO THE ROCKS )))))

      ((((( CREW, MAN THE LIFEBOATS )))))

      ((((( NAH…SCRUB THAT IDEA…THEY’RE A LOST CAUSE )))))

      ((( LOOK, ON THE HORIZON, THE PROMISED LAND, INDEPENDENCE )))

      ((((( FULL STEAM AHEAD )))))

    16. Luigi says:

      Doug Daniel says:

      17 July, 2015 at 2:38 pm

      As a result, all the bright, independent-minded and principled young things are coming to the pro-independence parties. The well-educated-but-thick-as-pigshit well-off dimwits who can’t understand why the status quo needs to be smashed are going to the rest.

      An accurate description. And outside a protective establishment and media umbrella, the latter would not last five minutes.

    17. Luigi says:

      BBC Scotland must be a bit weary polishing red tory turds. How many years is it now?

    18. Ken MacColl says:

      Don’t be too hard on him.

      He’s just a very silly boy!

    19. call me dave says:

      He said it in black and white what is he complaining about.

      Geez! Torrance in the Independent, (I’m not complaining either)

      https://archive.is/buThj

      PS: the Open.

      Great shot from 104 yards…and off he goes striding to the green with his putter in his hand and only a 6 inch tiddler in front of him! 🙂

      Isn’t radio great?

    20. dave the squirrel says:

      Labour just being Labour tbh.

      The careless, dim-witted, ham-fisted idiots who proudly provide the sacrificial front-line defence for the Conservative party’s deeds and ideologies.

      Tory Tommies. Lol!

    21. One_Scot says:

      To be fair, when they were dishing out brains, he was probably too busy being a suck up.

    22. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi uno mas

      “Scottish Antartic Explorer named William Spiers Bruce.”

      Have a look at this link:-

      http://dundee3js.freeforums.org/the-balaena-t9.html

      (Apologies for the interruption to this thread.)

    23. Craig MacInnes says:

      I suspect there are more Intelligent life forms to be found on the rim of the average toilet bowl than in the Labour Party. However, we should not be too harsh on the poor dears, after all wasn’t it their erstwhile great leaderene Johann Whatsername who said they were not genetically equipped to do politics in the first place?

      What the hell WAS her name again?

    24. Stoker says:

      One_Scot wrote:
      “To be fair, when they were dishing out brains, he was probably too busy being a suck up.”

      I prefer the old version – When they were dishing out brains he thought they said trains and asked for a nice slow one.

    25. boris says:

      Recruitment of young aspiring SPADS to the Unionist Labour Party branch in Scotland was encouraged by Miliband, Alexander and Murphy who decided new (highly intelligent blood) was needed in Scotland. The new policy proved impossible to develop with any degree of success since the bulk of those who qualified had given their allegience to the SNP and parties other than those of a Unionist bent.

      Those who joined the Unionist parties are not in the vanguard of Scotland’s best young and talented politician’s of the future hence the many recurring errors of fact produced and tweeted produced by their rush to publicise error strewn meeages. They really need to follow the advice of Paul Sinclair (former senior advisor and speech writer to the labour party first Minister)

      http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/snp-outstrip-labour-in-intelligence-and-strategy-says-johann-lamont-s-former-advisor-1.739522

    26. baronesssamedi says:

      Well, as Lisa Minelli said, ‘Reality is something you rise above.’. A good philosophy when all else fails.

      PS for ‘handclapping’ on Wings, Baron Samedi was my Daddy, natch.

    27. chris kilby says:

      Transformers – Tories in Disguise!

    28. Petra says:

      O/T

      @ Another Union Dividend says at 2:40 pm ”Letter serial letter writer in Edinburgh Evening News (Michelle Smyth) attacking Mhairi Black’s speech on basis of what she didn’t mention and going on about oil prices.”

      I’ve noticed that every SNP MP who makes a Maiden Speech manages to mention some point, provide data, that relates to Human Rights, Welfare and so on. I don’t know if there are many left to make a Maiden Speech, if any at all, but if there is I wish they would knock the ‘subsidy junky Scot’ myth on the head by providing some statistics.

    29. Jim says:

      I don’t know these people and whilst it’s fun to point out how cretinous they are, I would not give these nonentities the oxygen of publicity in any way shape or form.

      This guy got a mention on wings and I bet he is masturbating furiously; delighted that someone thought he was important and worthy of comment. 🙂

    30. KenC says:

      @ uno mas. There was a series shown recently regarding unsung Scottish heroes presented by the long haired historian who also presented a more general, although quite uninspiring history of Scotland. Sorry, can’t remember his name. He partnered Tony Pollard in ‘Two Men In a Trench’

      I agree about our history being airbrushed out. I became involved in a discussion about this very subject in the letters page of the Courier last year. One of the points I made then was the omission of Admiral Duncan in any history lesson I had concerning the Napoleonic wars, even though my classroom was situated less than three miles from the Camperdown estate named after his famous victory.

      The series in question is worth finding. It is a rare example of Scottish history given it’s proper place on our screens, and an enjoyable experience in spite of the usual me, me, me style of the presenter.

      It also shows perfidious albion in all it’s nonsensical pomp.

    31. Ian says:

      Young Taylor there already has quite the career behind him. Started off working for Pamela Nash before stepping up to Jim Murphy’s staff.

      Add in Ken’s upcoming defeat and one would be entitled to consider Young Taylor something of a jinx.

    32. Iain More says:

      Well I am just back from the dentists and I was in need of a laugh, ta!

      I look forward to more comedy from Mr Anderson.

    33. Petra says:

      @ uno mas says at 2:55 pm ”Extremely O/T and very early in the thread but I just had to share this. I opened Wikipedia to check on something and found myself reading to my astonishment “Todays Featured Article” which is about a Scottish Antartic Explorer named William Spiers Bruce.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Antarctic_Expedition

      @ Brian Doonthetoon says at 3:17 pm ”Hi uno mas “Scottish Antartic Explorer named William Spiers Bruce.” Have a look at this link:- http://dundee3js.freeforums.org/the-balaena-t9.html

      Thanks for the links guys. Absolutely brilliant on here. Talk about getting an education!

    34. Captain Caveman says:

      Sorry, at the end of the day we’re talking about some 18 year old young lad here; I would’ve thought you could have cut someone so young a bit of slack.

      Seriously, haven’t you got bigger fish to fry? Mind you, apparently not, judging from the last two months ‘output’ here; ‘Labour should become much more left wing’ and other mince (I must’ve missed the entire 1980s and the Longest Suicide Note in History), ‘the SNP threat to subvert WM Parliament had nowt to do with galvanising soft Tory support at the GE, honest guv’ or perhaps the most recent SNP volt face that you all seem to think is so wonderful (lol), but only serves as yet further confirmation of the SNP as a bunch of unprincipled, petty, unsavvy and above all amateurish clowns to the rest of us? (That’s coming from someone who hates foxhunting, too…. but as per, shame they don’t get their own house in order on that front, but of course, since when has rank double standards even been a concern?)

      Such an unedifying spectacle.

    35. Pam McMahon says:

      @uno mas Many thanks for this link, which was also a real eye-opener for me, as an old Scottish person who did a history higher back in the day, and had never heard of William Spiers Bruce and his achievements.

      Maybe time for the Scottish parliament to set up a system of awards/recognition of Scottish achievers ignored and deleted from history by the English establishment throughout history?

    36. heedtracker says:

      Wonder why Mr Anderson didnt join the LibDem’s first, if there are any still around that is

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33564918

      Mr Farron told BBC Scotland: “Most decent people, and most
      people are decent, think people deserve a second chance.

      “Alistair has made a very fulsome apology and I think most decent people in Scotland, in Orkney and Shetland in particular, think ‘fair enough, give the guy a break’.
      “If a handful of people want to pursue it, that is their right but I think it speaks more about them than they would want it to be said.”

      So BBC says you’re not decent if you think Carmicheal’s a historic conman and who’s biggest mistake was getting caught.

      If Alistair just had the UKOK smarts to use a phone box in the street and not the office… but it did help Cons win May 7th, M’lud.

      Faron’s “handful” of people include several thousand voters that handed over hard cash money to at least TRY and bring the conman to some kind of account, like what IPSOS did with those historic lying shysters of the Daily Torygraph:-(

    37. Brian Powell says:

      uno mas

      My g-g- grandfather was on the Balaena for that expedition to the Antarctic. A full account of the voyage is documented in the book, From Edinburgh to the Antarctic by William Gordon Burn-Murdoch,the assistant ships surgeon.

      It reads like an adventure novel, fascination stuff. In the first chapter about Dundee and the rise of the mills, causing destruction of the small weavers and pulling them into the mills, reducing wages. The ships sailed from Dundee.

      Although not covered in that book the mills bit interested me because Joe Grimmond’s family made their fortune with Grimmond’s Jute Mills.

      Joe Grimmond, MP for Orkney, famously said he “didn’t want Edinburgh lawyers and Glasgow trade unionists telling him what to do”, but his whole fortune was made on the backs of those disposed weavers and millworkers!

      When millworkers wanted better conditions and working hours and were going to take some strike action, the mill owners put in an order for automatic pistols, just in case.

      Grimmond, the great Liberal.

    38. G H Graham says:

      Immediately after any one of my three cats takes a huge dump in the litter box, they always turn around to check for quality, by having a right good sniff.

      Only a queue of kids, keen to get into a bouncy castle in Jimmy Saville’s living room, could possibly be more offensive, than the foul smelling gasses that manage to waft their way past the aerosol countermeasures.

      Then, as unconcerned as James Bond wiping his dripping nob on a hotel bath robe, they walk away with an air of conceited smugness.

      That’s Labour.

    39. Mealer says:

      Did anyone see Lord Wallace of Tankedupness last night? I can’t remember if it was STV or BBC.I noted him saying something along the lines of “good having Liberals on local councils,in Holyrood and ultimately,even in Westminster”.It just sounded so old fashioned to me,this idea of London being the pinnacle of any Scots ambition.I dare say Stephen Anderson wouldn’t have noticed.

    40. @Captain Caveman

      On your way back from Pluto, are you?

    41. George S Gordon says:

      Whatever we think of Ken McIntosh, I believe he has a brain and may not be too happy.

    42. Mealer says:

      Heed tracker 3.55
      Mr Carmichael got his second chance whilst being interviewed on national television.He could have come clean about the disgraceful smear campaign he orchestrated against the First Minister,but chose,instead to lie to the nation.

    43. msean says:

      Confirmation indeed that there are Tories high up in the Labour party,and neither seem to know exactly what is devolved,surely a vote winner.

    44. Desimond says:

      Anyone know is Johann on holiday??..a headline from NEWSNOW today:

      German police have arrested a squirrel after a woman complained it was stalking her

    45. Graham MacLure says:

      Give the wee loon some credit since he’s managed to leave the red Tory tribute act and get into the original blue Tory act. Yet on the other hand I’m not sure if he has promoted or demoted himself as I have the sinking feeling he has jumped ship from the Marie Celeste to the Titanic.

    46. Bill Fraser says:

      Little wonder this party is in such rapid decline.Not a bit of fact or sense from their rantings.

    47. gerry parker says:

      CH at 4:05

      He’s a draughts player commenting on a chess game.

    48. Anagach says:

      Please avoid being cruel or mean to Mr Anderson. He is young. He is still sorting out his priorities and so some shift should be expected.

      As for the dross of those involved in politics and unable to remember whats devolved and what is not, I get the impression from Murphy et al. that they just dont care, that they will “mix it up” on policies and assume that the public dont know. But it does make anyone with any nous question how these people would run a system they actually know nothing about, and seem happy if not proud to tout that fact.

    49. Robert Kerr says:

      We are being “othered” by the Liberal Leader.

      Decent people we are not.

      This is seriously personal.

      He is a fool, as is their sole Scottish MP.

    50. Hoss Mackintosh says:

      @uno mas

      Interesting article on the Antarctic explorer – Bruce. I had not heard about him previously.

      John Rae was another famous Scottish artic explorer who fell out with the London establishment after he found and reported on the disastrous Franklin expedition to find the North-West passage.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rae_(explorer)

      Mind you – there were lots of famous Scottish explorers.

      Some day BBC Scotland will do a documentary series on them all for us.

    51. Garrion says:

      Nah, these are exactly the same calibre of people who grew up in the talent vortex of SLab and became Margaret Curran and those of that ilk.

      Frankly, if you werent a mouthbreathing parasitic opportunist, why would you be attracted to SLab anyway?

    52. heedtracker says:

      Mealer, now, listen to your BBC, BBC says “most decent people” will be decent people and accept the historic fraudster’s blatant election fraud apology, so be decent and quiet and pay your licence fee.

      Usual classic creepy BBC shyste on that one page alone, also including BBC trademark “Sturgeon accused/denies.”

      “Both Ms Sturgeon and the ambassador denied the account and Mr Carmichael accepted, after the election campaign, that the “details of the account are not correct”.

      Another day at the BBC teamGB coalface of decent decency because the BBC is DECENCY.

      decency
      ?di?s(?)nsi/Submit
      noun
      1.
      behaviour that conforms to accepted standards of morality or respectability.
      “she had the decency to come and confess”
      synonyms: propriety, decorum, seemliness, good taste, respectability, dignity, correctness, good form, etiquette, appropriateness, fitness, suitability; morality, virtue, modesty, purity, delicacy, demureness, wholesomeness

      Try and pin one of the above on Carmichael or even his bloated troughing BBC advocates:D

    53. Proud Cybernat says:

      I don’t do Twitter (or Facebook) – the other twwets (above) hae ‘Follow’ buttons but Stevie-boy has ‘Blocked’. Is he doing the blocking or is he being blocked? Or does it just mean he’s a blockhead? Do you get ‘Blocked’ when you’re a mere dim-witted acolyte? Anyone know?

    54. Alastair says:

      heedtracker@3.55

      I have for days since Mhairi Black’s Tony Benn comment about Weather Cocks or Signposts contemplated the position of some of our Honourable MP’s and MSP’s ( even list MSP – which means nobody actually voted for them) .

      I have concluded that Alistair Carmichael – is a cock

      Willie Rennie – is a cock

      Fell free to add to the list.

    55. R-type Grunt says:

      This young lad also seems to think it’s funny that some people are getting accounts hacked & porn distributed in their name. Nice.

    56. Proud Cybernat says:

      @ Hoss Mackintosh says:

      “Some day BBC Scotland will do a documentary series on them all for us.”

      Spat ma tea oot!! Bastart! Gonnae no’ dae that…

    57. john king says:

      Taranaich says
      ” it’s natural that what remains of New Labour in Scotland won’t reach the erudite heights of a Brian Donohoe or Russell Brown…”

      🙂

    58. Keir Mclean says:

      My mom always said, “Stupid is what stupid does”.

      Oh how labour’s north british branch executive and their sister unionists in the tories could do with wisdom of Forest Gump’s mum now!

    59. Almannysbunnet says:

      Did Slabour issue an announcement at how crestfallen they were to lose such a young talent? No? He’s had his 15 minutes of fame. Time to move on there are bigger fish to fry.

    60. galamcennalath says:

      It is very much a trade mark of SLab … They never seem to know, nor understand, which responsibilities have been devolved and which reserved. Curran used to come across as particularly confused! Murphy often appeared to be fighting with policies for 2016 Holyrood when he still had to get past GE 2015. It’s behaviour you see regularly from many other SLab members when they open their mouths (or tickle their keyboards).

      Can it therefore be any surprise that they never really got to grips with devolution, far less appreciate how much extra could be achieved with more powers?

      Thing is, devolution was an invention to counter the SNP and moves towards independence but SLab handled it so incompetently that it became something to use against the Union and Unionist parties.

    61. Joemcg says:

      Ahh…takes me back to the good old/bad old days of the referendum campaign when ill informed shite like this occurred every day.

    62. Anagach says:

      “a special kind of thick”

      Now that should be a title for the documentary on the demise of the Labour Party in Scotland.

    63. nycgype says:

      @Captain Caveman

      I have some sympathy with your point about this being a fairly young kid and some of the comments go a little far (on balance more people are making this point than slagging him). On the other hand he is expressly making his political opinions in public so can expect a reaction

      That aside, I rather enjoyed the rest of your rant. It gives me a warm sense that we are moving in the right direction.

    64. heedtracker says:

      https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/11261508 John Ruddy’s a rancid Graun Cifer but he was a great example of UKOK sneery unionism, lives in Montrose, SLab man, but entirety of his Cif was closely focused indepth on England.gov, south east/south coast, Plymouth and Portsmouth, England and above all London’s transport infrastructure thingees.

      It probably doesn’t need saying that anything Mr Ruddy Ciferises on Scotland is, SNP bad, Murphy was a hero, vote NO or else.

      How very SLabour of him.

      eg, SLabour at its most desperate, thick and dishonest as he knows

      10 Mar 2014 12:41

      6 Recommend In response to DM1602
      My memory is not so short as to remember that the reason why they vanished into the ether was because a Scottish National Party decided to vote with the Tories to bring about a Tory Government that would wreck Scotland (and the rest of the UK).

      and Mr Ruddy is WoS reader but not a fan.

      10 Mar 2014 15:18
      7 Recommend In response to Jason_F
      So, nationalist hate-monger Stuart Campbell (no relation) derides proposals from the party he votes for on the basis they dont offer independence.

      Well, I never would have guessed!”

      He was fun to flame but nothing trouble Mr Memory Man Ruddy but WoS:D

    65. Legerwood says:

      O/T

      Something to get your teeth into
      https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/richard-grimes/government-moves-to-consider-nhs-user-charges

      On topic, have to agree with some of the posters above who pointed out that that the laddie is young so time enough for him to change his mind – again. After all where would the SNP membership be if people did not change their mind.

    66. Karmanaut says:

      Defecting from Labour to the Tories doesn’t strike me as an odd step. After all, most of the members remaining in Scottish Labour have to be on the right of the party, or else just confused. Once Murphy, MacDougal and McTernan had finished their campaign, pretty much everyone on the left in Scottish Labour had gone over to the SNP.

      It was the probably the most effective clear out of socialists from Scottish Labour that it was possible to achieve.

      Farron would worry me if the LibDems were relevant at all. The guy believes in the power of prayer to heal and thinks it can be a viable alternative to real medical treatment. That is dangerous. He has not the slightest clue about what has happened in Scotland and doesn’t seem bothered enough to find out. And he loathes the SNP. The hatred I’ve seen coming from him on BBQ QT is appalling.

      And if he thinks it’s fine for politicians to smear and lie, then, frankly, I’m glad his party is finished.

    67. Robert Peffers says:

      @Captain Caveman says: 17 July, 2015 at 3:52 pm:

      ” … shame they don’t get their own house in order on that front, but of course, since when has rank double standards even been a concern?”

      Dear God, so many words to say, “SNP BAD”.

      Here, Cp’n whitsit, is a wee though for you. The SNP saw sorting out the fox hunting thing as slightly less urgent than alleviating the several sordid things the nasty party were penalising the poorest with while boosting the wealth of those on the Rich List. All of which are backed by the even nastier Labour Party. Which is why the Scottish Voters deserted all three unionist parties at the last GE.

      The fact is that the Scottish voters sent those members of the, “UNITED KINGDOM”, parliament to be members of, “THE UNITED KINGDOM” Parliament and EVERY matter of the UNITED KINGDOM” parliament is a, “UNITED KINGDOM”, matter. If they wish to have an, “ENGLISH” parliament then the SNP will back them to the hilt As long as they get it to hell out of OUR United Kingdom Parliament.

    68. Joemcg says:

      Multiple moaning from “friends” on social media bumping their gums over the huge pay rise for MPs yet many of them voted no. Don’t think they can see the irony. Arrrgggghhhhh!

    69. Alastair says:

      Sorry I need to do a correction to my last post.

      Alistair Carmichael is a lying, cynical, discredited, spineless, back stabbing, cheating so far unaccountable – cock

      Willie Rennie is just a – a flaccid Wee Willie

    70. Captain Caveman says:

      “I rather enjoyed the rest of your rant. It gives me a warm sense that we are moving in the right direction.”

      Well, I aims to please! 🙂
      (Seriously though, clearly we ain’t going to agree of the political bullet points I mentioned (which is why I didn’t contribute when they were raised, clearly no point), but it’s good we agree on the substantive part of my post here. IMO? No. Need.

    71. Finlay says:

      I was having a conversation with my dad recently and we were wondering; in the case of a second Scottish independence referendum in the near future, who would be the face of the No campaign? Are there any credible options?

    72. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “in the case of a second Scottish independence referendum in the near future, who would be the face of the No campaign?”

      JK Rowling.

      I’m not even sure I’m joking.

    73. HandandShrimp says:

      CC

      I don’t think we have been particularly harsh on Anderson. The original post was composed entirely of his own tweets – none of which we were claiming were offensive or odd.

      However, in relation to Scottish politics a Labour activist suddenly switching to the Tories is interesting. If for no other reason than one wonders what the hell is going on in Labour. This lad was supposed to be working for the prospective deputy Labour leader in Scotland and he has abandoned ship. Ruth’s tweet seems to confirm that this is the case. It is news worthy not least because recent polls suggest Labour has real problems attracting young members in Scotland.

      O/T I see Andy Murray won his match btw

    74. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “I would’ve thought you could have cut someone so young a bit of slack.”

      It’s not malice, it’s genuine bewilderment.

      As for Labour, feel free to make a counter-argument based on the facts, rather than just going “Meh, rubbish”.

    75. Robert Peffers says:

      O/T

      I had written this for the last topic, (after a comment about the Islamists), but I had a visitor and didn’t get it posted. I hope it raises a smile or three: –

      Crusades were military campaigns against Middle East Muslims during the time of Medieval England. The Muslims captured Jerusalem in 1076 because Jerusalem was the most holy Chrisian place on Earth. However Jerusalem was also most important for Muslims too as Muhammad had prayed there and a beautiful dome , “The Dome of the Rock”, was built on the rock where Muhammad sat and prayed.

      So the Christians and Muslims fought over Jerusalem for almost 200 years. A sort of, “My religious place is much more important than your religion place”. This, of course, was before the Christians invented sectarianism so they could just fall out amongst themselves and save all the cost and bother with all that pilgrimage stuff and trailing off to the Middle East. This, “Sectarianism”, as they called it soon took over and they are still fighting each other all over the World today. It was the best thing ever, that is until some idiot invented sliced bread.

      Here’s a rough Timeline of the several Crusades : –

      1st Crusade : 1096 to 1099
      2nd Crusade : 1147 to 1149
      3rd Crusade : 1189 to 1192
      4th Crusade : 1201 to 1204
      5th Crusade : 1217 to 1221
      6th Crusade : 1228 to 1229
      7th Crusade : 1248 to 1254
      8th Crusade : 1270 and there was what they called, “The Children’s Crusade in 1212.

      They fighers called themselves, “Crusaders”, because they wore the English cross of St George’s flags on their chests. This was a wee bit before they discovered the Butcher’s Apron. It was a bit like the old , “Home”, fitba Internationals but much less vicious and more gentlemanly because they were English Establishment knights and aristocratic like Barons, Lords and suchlike.

    76. Finlay says:

      Rev. Stuart Campbell 17:45

      Wee facebook post I made the week after the referendum in a fit of rage directed towards JK Rowling and the BBC.

      http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29300724

      Rather odd article on the BBC website today about the “Two Scotlands” that have arisen in the last few years.

      “Almost all the mainstream media were hostile to independence.” – straight from the horse’s mouth.

      The article mentions J.K. Rowling’s support of Better Together which as a big fan of the Harry Potter books, I found perplexing.

      J.K. Rowling wrote that she felt the Yes campaign were sometimes “Death Eaterish” in their nature. What are the principles of a Death Eater in the world of Harry Potter? For anyone who hasn’t read the books: they are a rather sinister bunch who believe they have a birth-right to rule over all other wizards and wish to eradicate those without “pure-blood”. The Death Eaters are generally portrayed as a wealthy, selfish minority who control others through fear and manipulation.

      In my opinion the “Death Eaters” of our society are the priveleged few perched at the top of our society, most of which have inherited their wealth and feel that this gives them power over us. For years now we have had the millionaires David Cameron, Ed Milliband et al telling us we are too wee, too poor and too stupid to run our own affairs so we should (and did) leave it in their hands. Quite how J.K. Rowling came to the opposite conclusion has left me rather confunded.

      I wonder if, before making her millions writing the Harry Potter books (£1mill of which went to Better Together), and while she was living in Scotland in relative poverty; J.K. Rowling would have voted Yes to stand up for the Weasleys and Longbottoms of the world. The books would have been rather different if Hermione as a child had a bottle smashed in her face by the Orange Order on her way to buy books on Diagon Alley or if the Weasley family got taxed into the ground for having a spare room once Bill and Charlie left home!

      On a side note, it isn’t Reverend Voldemort or Doctor Voldemort… maybe if we look a little closer between Lord Prescott and Lord Monckton we might be able to spot He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named trying to dismantle the Muggle Protection Act!

      Like Harry, we first must destroy the horcruxes before we can tackle Lord Voldemort himself. The BBC have been instrumental in tricking Scots into voting against our own freedom and they must never be trusted ever again. I, like many other betrayed Scots, will never pay another TV license until we have a fair and honest broadcaster.

    77. simon Ferenczi says:

      “As for Labour, feel free to make a counter-argument based on the facts, rather than just going “Meh, rubbish”.”

      Hell, if you want me to, Stu, why not? My views are diametrically opposed so it’s sometimes difficult to convince some that they’re earnestly held as opposed to trolling, but to be fair I’ve always had a fair hearing here.

      I’m seeing some mutual old mates this weekend(!) but I’ll post summat up in the original thread/piece next week (not in this one).

    78. Lesley-Anne says:

      Hold the bus a wee second will you please? 😉

      Ah just as I thought … today is Friday so it must be laugh a second at the unionists day then! 😀

    79. Dal Riata says:

      @Captain Caveman

      “judging from the last two months ‘output’ here”

      Which has been, thankfully, devoid of your ‘input’.

      What’s up, is a young lassie fae Paisley getting praise for giving hope to more people in Scotland *and* rUK than any of your self-serving anti-Scottish UKOK bags o’ pish have ever done, or will ever do, in their lifetimes giving you non-stop bowel movements?

    80. simon Ferenczi says:

      “What’s up, is a young lassie fae Paisley getting praise for giving hope to more people in Scotland *and* rUK than any of your self-serving anti-Scottish UKOK bags o’ pish have ever done, or will ever do, in their lifetimes giving you non-stop bowel movements?”

      Yeah, it’s been eating away at me for hours this whole giving people hope thing, this was really why I posted about something totally unrelated, for the first time in months.

      Man alive, some mothers do ‘ave ’em, eh? Have a nice weekend, guys.

    81. Dal Riata says:

      As a far smarter man than any of these Young LabConLibUKIPpers said, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

    82. heedtracker says:

      J.K. Rowling’s just another English nationalist that doesn’t want England to lose any real control of Scotland. She uses fear and insult but that’s not particularly original, like her incomprehensibly popular children’s books.

    83. tartanarse says:

      JK Rowling, made famous by kids and odd adults. Like Jimmy Savile.

      Trying to get a wee bit more publicity.

      Still, it gives the “newspapers” a chance to link to evil cybernat stories in case the decent RUK had missed them.

      Yeah that wee lassie is passionate but the rest of them are hateful.

    84. starlaw says:

      Robert Peffers The cross of St George or was it St John ?worn by the crusaders was a papal banner, and brought to England by William the conqueror, and sometime later adopted as the Flag of England. Wont dispute your history re crusades though.

    85. gus1940 says:

      O/T

      When is THe R&A going to do something about the disgraceful ill-mannered clapping at The Open?

    86. John from Fife says:

      O/T
      I’ve been watching the open today and although Paul Lawrie and Marc Warren are in the chasing pack they have rarely been shown on the BBC’s coverage. What’s this about ???

    87. Petra says:

      Chunky Mark ……. Mhairi Black v Fox Fckn Hunting Tories

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOsnjkodiW4

      @ Pam McMahon says at 3:55 pm ”Maybe time for the Scottish parliament to set up a system of awards/recognition of Scottish achievers ignored and deleted from history by the English establishment throughout history?”

      Good idea Pam. It would be great if The National would do so too and outline the area that they came from and so on. It could lead to an increase in their readership especially with ex-pats and additionally promote tourism. I would also love to see every village and town in Scotland have the names of famous people depicted on their town signs.

      The following is about another famous Scot:

      John Paul (Jones) was a poor Scot born in Kirkcudbrightshire in 1747 who went on to be known as the Father of the American Navy. He fought against the British in the US War of Independence, 1775 – 1783, successfully infiltrated the British Navy and landed in Whitehaven in the North West of England in 1776. He was also involved in the last invasion of England in 1778. In Britain (England) he is remembered as a pirate.

      When he died in 1792, aged 45, he was buried in Paris and lay in an unmarked grave for over a century. The U.S. Ambassador to France, General Porter, searched for six years to track down JPJ’s body. When discovered in 1905 his body was found to be perfectly preserved.

      In 1906 his body was ceremonially removed and taken from France to the United States aboard the USS Brooklyn, escorted by three other cruisers. Seven U.S. Navy battleships joined the procession off the US coastline. On landing many celebrations were carried out such as President Theodore Roosevelt gave a lengthy tributary speech. In 1913, his remains were finally re-interred in a magnificent bronze and marble sarcophagus at the Naval Academy Chapel in Annapolis.

      The following statement is outlined on a commemorative plaque. ‘’Born in Scotland, his dedication to independence and freedom for the United States and the World, and his fighting spirit, gave to the United States Navy it’s earliest tradition of courage, honour and victory.

      Naval Academy Chapel and John Paul Jones crypt

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-50sgIM9o

      A History of the Navy in 100 Objects: The Crypt of John Paul Jones

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYT2o-Iehk0

    88. Ron says:

      I have the misfortune of knowing John Ruddy in real life. He is exactly as much of a slimy Labour arsehole as his tweets suggest..

    89. Marco McGinty says:

      @John from Fife
      “I’ve been watching the open today and although Paul Lawrie and Marc Warren are in the chasing pack they have rarely been shown on the BBC’s coverage. What’s this about ???”

      Because Justin Rose and Nick Faldo are playing, and Danny Willett is challenging for the lead – and they’re all English! That’s the impartial BBC for you!

    90. goges says:

      Is it just me or has someone already noticed and commented on- he was labour and is now a tory!! Clearly a buffoon with no political awareness or clear political ideology, who doesn’t listen to or understand, what he is exposed to.Oh my god,that makes him a perfect tory…….. and a Scottish labourite!!!

    91. Marco McGinty says:

      On the subject of William Speirs Bruce, I wrote a comment on Wings last year, basically about his achievements being airbrushed from history by the UK establishment.

      I’m like many of you here, in that I knew nothing about this man, until I went to a talk given by Vanessa Collingridge a few years ago. Considering this man’s achievements, and his first port of call on the return trip of the Scotia expedition was at Millport (just across the water from me), I am disgusted that nothing was taught about this man. As others have expressed, Scott and Shackleton were always given the heroic status, yet Bruce was explicitly ignored.

      But then again, my school days were in the 70s and 80s, and we weren’t taught anything of Robert Burns!

    92. Grouse Beater says:

      Fiunlay: J.K. Rowling wrote that she felt the Yes campaign were sometimes “Death Eaterish” in their nature.

      https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/dear-j-k-rowling/

    93. Gary45% says:

      Ah! the stupidity of the unionist parties.
      Nearly a years passed since the referendum, and they still don’t get it.
      They will NEVER get it.
      Just sit back and watch them implode.
      Priceless.
      O/T
      As Londerland is still milking the Olympic games, with the anniversary games, are we Scots getting saddled with some of the cost? just a thought

    94. Gallowglass says:

      She expressly stated that she was the only 20 year old the chancellor would help.

      There can be only ‘one’ chancellor.

      Far easier way to rebuff that, Rev.

    95. Cadogan Enright says:

      Yer man Anderson is the most extraordinary plonker – why draw attention to your own stupidity ? – he might have hoped that his fellow travellers might not have noticed if he had kept his head down. Now his lack of brain cells will be legendary Let’s hope they put him in charge of something important

    96. Meindevon says:

      Petra, really interesting about JPJ. I shall be sending your comment to a few American friends if that’s ok with you.

      Funny that the media made out the USA were not keen on our independence last year. Trident aside, I wonder just how true that really was?

    97. Thomas Valentine says:

      The pool of individuals eager to get a job in politics produces this type of person. Any party so long as they get a start. He obviously tied onto Labour as the big name in Scotland a guaranteed winner. Shock they completely collapse. Where can he go? Only one chance now he’s burnt any bridge to the SNP, that’s Conservatives. I mean how desparate you would be forced to be to see the Scottish tories as a route into politics.

      Of course it was so much easier in the 1980’s. Go to Uni join the political group that was on the rise and sleaze your way up the ladder doing what ever was necessary. Be the yes man tell them big boys what they wanted betray whoever to get ahead. So much easier if you don’t believe in the party politics and can hold no principles.

      The there’s the “Great Discovery” made by Jim and Kezie. Just lie, just tells lots of lies all the time. The purity of the strategy how can it ever fail. Kezia is such a genius.

    98. Petra says:

      Meindevon says at 11:33 pm ”Petra, really interesting about JPJ. I shall be sending your comment to a few American friends if that’s ok with you. Funny that the media made out the USA were not keen on our independence last year. Trident aside, I wonder just how true that really was?”

      Meindevon I’m pleased to know that you found the post interesting and would be delighted if you passed it on to your friends. Sad in a way that Westminster et al have done their utmost to try to ‘bury’ information like this and would rather continue to propagate the myth that our country is too wee, poor and that we are too stupid. The contribution of the Scots, Worldwide, is inestimable.

    99. John Moss says:

      Hi,

      The JobCentre at High Stree in Paisley has the 3rd highest sanction rate in the so-called U.K. Renfrewshire has the 3rd highest food bank usage in the so-called UK.

      Why?

      Because of people like Stephen Anderson.

      Poor people are parasites but not Iain Ducncan Smith who runs DWP who claims;

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139159/I-welcome-food-banks-says-Iain-Duncan-Smith-claims-sign-decent-people-helping-difficulty.html

      And has his crediot card suspended;

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139159/I-welcome-food-banks-says-Iain-Duncan-Smith-claims-sign-decent-people-helping-difficulty.html

      Time to dump the U.K. Let’s declare U.D.I and dump the parasites.

    100. Bean an Tighe says:

      Petra & Pam: One thing I hoped (and still hope) might come to pass with independence would have been a non-posh way of honouring notable Scots, past and present – an alternative to the ‘British Empire’ awards. I’d suggest the historical novelist Nigel Tranter for a start, as his books raised awareness of Scottish history at a time when it was literally banished from school curriculums.

    101. Finlay Mair says:

      Thanks Grouse Beater.

      Oxymoronic Jakey, Rolling in it.

    102. DerekM says:

      Aye Rev they are a right motley crew the lot of them,when you look down the ladder there is nothing there except jim`s discarded glue bags and a couple of old irn bru crates.

      As for the tories well…, lets not call them the Scottish tories they are not,same deal as the myth SLAB,and dont worry wee wullie i didnt forget about you just couldnt be arsed.

    103. Albaman says:

      Uno Mas,
      Neil Oliver, that’s the name of the presenter who followed Bruce’s route down to the Antarctic, he also did a T.V. Series on the history of Scotland, both of which I enjoyed, as he did not “pull any punches”, and pointed out where the establishment had airbrushed Scottish achievement out.
      So you can imagine my surprise, no, my disappointment when he came out publicly as a “no” voter!.

    104. Chid says:

      Petra says:
      John Paul (Jones) was a poor Scot born in Kirkcudbrightshire in 1747 who went on to be known as the Father of the American Navy
      His Scottish home is a museum and can be visited during the summer months. Very much on topic though. He was well known for “switching sides”. Hence the dance “the Paul Jones” where partners swap after each turn around the room.

    105. Fred says:

      @ Caesar!man, Oliver is a carreerist phoney, the shoulder-bag prop, the windswept locks & hauf-biled delivery have got him onto the BBC ladder, he was never going to bite the hand which lifted him from obscurity, (pauses to sort hair!)

    106. Hoss Mackintosh says:

      On similar thread of John Paul Jones who founded the US Navy.
      It also interesting to read the story of Admiral Samuel Grieg who led the modernisation of the Russian Navy. He was promoted to a senior position and was much respected and celebrated by the Russians.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Greig

    107. Stoker says:

      John Moss wrote:
      “Time to dump the U.K. Let’s declare U.D.I and dump the parasites”

      If that’s your belief then why oh why are you repeatedly helping their cause by posting direct links to Unionist sites?

      I’ve asked you this before but will try again in the hope that you can provide the answer: How many times have these Unionist sites allowed you to post direct links to WOS on their comment threads?

      There are only 3 reasons why someone would repeatedly post direct links to Unionist sites, all of which help the Unionists:
      (1):Laziness.
      (2):Ignorance.
      (3):Trolling.

      What’s your excuse?

    108. Kennedy says:

      To be fair, people are not queuing up to join red or blue Tories. They must take whatever they can get. Of whatever quality. They can’t be fussy.

      If I could be arsed I would photoshop the old Tory poster “Labour aren’t working” showing the long line of people leaving the unionist parties to join the SNP. Maybe the cation would read “The Union isn’t Working”. But it’s Saturday night and life is short.

      Disclaimer: I may have borrowed the poster idea from someone/somewhere else. If that is the case then apologies.

    109. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      You mean this one, Kennedy?

      http://tinyurl.com/nddrgar

    110. Kennedy says:

      Brian Doonthetoon says
      19 July, 2015 at 1:16 am

      Thats the one. Imagine a sign saying “Labour” or “The Union” at the back of the queue and a sign saying “SNP” or “independence” at the front of the queue.

    111. peekay says:

      Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
      “in the case of a second Scottish independence referendum in the near future, who would be the face of the No campaign?”

      JK Rowling.

      I’m not even sure I’m joking.”

      I’ll see your JK Rowling and raise you a Michelle Mone

    112. Coops says:

      He was a paid member of Labour staff. Incidentally, he has also managed to remove any trace of his past political support which included UKIP and a brief fling with the SNP. He is a political opportunist and an utter cretin.



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