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The Bullshitter

Posted on December 31, 2021 by

We’ve had no takers from any Nicola Sturgeon loyalists for this yet, so let’s narrow our focus a bit and see if we can get some joy from the payroll vote.

The quote pictured below is an absolutely unequivocal statement, with no qualifiers or conditions, made during and with full knowledge of a major peak in the COVID-19 pandemic. The halfway point of the current Scottish Parliament is 9 November 2023.


So: I bet Pete Wishart £5,000 that he’s a liar.

I have the money, and on the £100K-a-year-plus-expenses wage he’s been stealing for most of the last 20 years (and let’s not forget the juicy £50,000-a-year Westminster pension he’s built up over two decades of totally failing to deliver the only thing he’s ever been elected to do), we damn sure know that HE has the money.

My bet is simply that there will NOT be a second indyref on or before that date.

Please, everyone reading this with a Twitter account, tweet this to Pete Wishart until he takes five seconds off from attacking real independence campaigners and gives us all his answer, and let’s see if he’s prepared to put a tiny little fraction of his money where his endlessly bloviating mouth is.

Because if he isn’t, we’ll all know why.

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    1. Craig Watson says:

      Just tried to share via Twitter several times but the tweet won’t send for some reason. Does Twitter block particular domain names, perhaps? Nothing would surprise me. Of course, it could also be that I’m just incompetent. Happy New Year, Stuart!

    2. Craig Watson says:

      Eh, hang on. The beslippered one just replied to my tweet (the one that didn’t work?). Maybe it’s just me then.

    3. Turnbuldrier says:

      This site has always been about calling people out for the statements they make, any hipocrisy within them or the downright falsehoods published by our politicians.

      Mr Whishart said this. Does he believe it? Only he can answer.

      As for the site, it is Stuarts, he can do with it what he wants.

    4. Heaver says:

      Troll on, Stu. You’re money’s quite safe, Wishart is so clearly lying, the SNP is a unionist party, has been since Sturgeon took over in 2014.

      Vote Alba.

    5. Morgatron says:

      Hahaha, Magic Stu. Feeling down and that lightened the day.

    6. Stuart says:

      I’d be surprised if he takes you up on the bet, shocked actually. I would like to urge him to do so, but he blocked me some time ago for asking a very reasonable question. He’s full of hot air, so wouldn’t expect a reply any time soon.

    7. Alex says:

      I tried to post on twitter from your Facebook post,but it wouldn’t allow it.

    8. Graf Midgehunter says:

      This has just warmed the cockles of my heart (anatomy is amazing!) and does what everyone should be doing.

      The carrot an’ slipper man as well as the SG, should be forced to put their money where their mouth is. They keep talking the talk but none of them does the walking. Ian Blowhard, the EU specialist is a prime example.

      We have a kwizling SG of WM lap dugs.

      If the May council elections don’t get ALBA up and moving then…… 🙁

    9. Wulls says:

      I wish I could get odds at ladbrooks that Wishart disappears up his own arse rather than take you upon this one.

    10. Frank Waring says:

      Same experience as Craig Watson (and same doubts about competence) …..
      If there is a problem, I think it woud have to be to the web reference to this site…..

    11. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      I think Wings is probably flagged by Facebook as vile due to complaints from SNP supporters, but just tweeting the link to this page directly should work.

    12. Craig Macinnes says:

      No problems tweeting this using the Twitter symbol at bottom of article. If stuck though you can copy the site https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-bullshitter/ and then post on Twitter or FB.

    13. Neil Mackenzie says:

      Same experience as Craig Watson (and same doubts about competence) …..

      I had that as well but then it changed its mind.

    14. Ian says:

      Seems his plan is just to block anyone who asks the question.

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/1476849221882028034

    15. Lollysmum says:

      Posted on Twitter & Facebook fine for me.

    16. Gordon Hunter says:

      In all honesty I doubt if my Great Grandchildren will see Scotland Independent the way the SNP are going.

    17. Graeme Hampton says:

      I’ve tweeted Pete the link. Funnily enough I had to unblock him first. I have a low BS threshold these days. I’ll let you know if I get a reply.

      While I’m here a good new year to you Stu when it comes and all the best for 2022.

    18. red sunset says:

      I would be tempted to specify that it doesn’t mean any vote for “Independence within the UK” or “Independence under Westminster”.

      I really do believe that’s what she’ll push if somehow they’re forced to offer up some sort of referendum.

    19. X_Sticks says:

      I’d love to help Stuart, but slippery Pete has had me blocked for a long time. I think it’s because I support Scottish independence.

      Happy N’erday and I hope you have a guid New Year and Happy and prosperous 2022.

      Happy New Year and best wishes to all the Wings family.

    20. Karen says:

      Just had a look at Pete’s Twitter where he totally slags off Alba. So had a quick look at Alba’s Twitter – it’s full of sensible grown-up stuff…

    21. Ian says:

      Thanks for that Stu, I’m now blocked. How am I supposed to read all his informative tweets now?

    22. Effigy says:

      You have more chance of seeing a Vampire’s reflection in a mirror
      than Pete attempting to answer this question on Twitter.

      Keep sucking the blood out of Scotland Pete and make sure you
      stay out of daylight.

      Fangs for the memories!
      We will know your like better next time!

    23. Sharny Dubs says:

      Sadly it has been blatantly obvious from time immemorial that the SNP are a unionist organisation, bought and sold by Westminster and riding on the backs of blind feminist / woke emotional support, while stuffing their pockets.
      Sadly it seems Alba is infected by the same, unwilling to actually address real issues of the growing feminisation of our culture, fearful (with reason) that doing so would loose them the votes of 51% of the population. Single parent families, children growing up fatherless. The demonisation of everything masculine, which actually had a very large part in creating what we not now enjoy and which so few show any gratitude for. Our culture is sick and no one is prepared to address the problems. Scotland should take a good hard look at itself in a mirror, it’s not pretty.
      Alba? Every time I watch one of their posts it reminds me so much of the Reverend I. Am Jolly, and it’s not funny at all.
      Thanks for everything you’ve done and tried to do Stu, you were a bright comet in a dark sky.
      Fare ye well 21,
      22? Jez

    24. Calum says:

      I would happily share this with Slippers Pete but he blocked me after I told him to f himself when he was gloating about Wings packing up shop.

    25. Josef Ó Luain says:

      Ah, Pete the mystifier, the professional mesmerizer and brazen con man.

      Good luck and all the very best to you and yours in the coming year!

    26. Flower of Scotland says:

      I’ve shared on Twitter but Pete Wishart has blocked me for months now! He doesn’t want to hear what Scottish Independence supporters want. HE wants his comfy job, his great salary, his wonderful pension and certainly doesn’t want to leave Westminster.

      We miss you Stu! Have a Guid New Year and a good rest!

    27. Astonished says:

      Delighted you’ve made a little foray back into vile cybernattery.

      I’m just hoping the SNP wokeratti continue to annoy you – As they annoy the hell out of me.

      Your money is safe . Wishart has no appetite for independence.

      P.S. Fancy doing a bit of digging into Rhiannon Spears’ downfall ? I heard that she had fallen foul of the genderwoowoo – although I think that is fanciful.

    28. Milady says:

      I’d gladly tweet it to him but he has me blocked (along with half of Twitter). Obviously, even when he does see it, he won’t take your bet.

    29. Geri says:

      He has most of real indy blocked! ?
      I’ll share it tho.
      & Happy New Year!

    30. Lady Lyon says:

      So happy to this in my mailbox, gladly share it as it goes with a theme of tweets I did yesterday

      https://twitter.com/ladylyonglencoe/status/1476874057173942272?s=21

    31. Alf Baird says:

      Here is a brief lecture for SNP MPs and MSPs on what independence means:

      https://www.facebook.com/YesHaddington/videos/1059504741259620

    32. Patsy Millar says:

      Would gladly tweet this to Petey boy but he’s blocked me for daring to say he was being discorteous to Tim Rideout. Sensitive soul that he is!

    33. Patsy Millar says:

      Forgot to say all the best for 2022.

    34. Jan Cowan says:

      Took several attempts before I was able to share on Twitter. Surely Twitter playing games?
      A Good New Year to all!

    35. Jason Smoothpiece says:

      Happy New Year Stu and to all wings folk.

      The downfall of the SNP will commence soon the supporters and members will look for a new home when the penny drops that there’s no activity on the independence front.

      ALBA needs to stay clean and credible and if it does former SNP folk will receive a welcome from real independence supporters.

      I believe that prior to making progress on independence we have to see the fall of the present SNP which will delay things and we may have to suffer a the rule of a unionist party for a short time.

    36. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Good to see you back posting Stuart.

      🙂

      Weet Pishfart won’t take your bet Rev, he knows there will be no Indy Ref in 2023 judging by the NuSNPs comments around projected Scottish seats in 2024 scheduled Westminster GE.

      Like Blah Blah Blackfords “Scotland will not be dragged out of the EU against her will” it’s more carrots for the faithful!

      Anyway hope you are well and that this post may herald a return to what you do best next year.

      Have a happy Hogmanay Rev and wishing you a productive and prosperous 2022.

    37. Betsy says:

      So far his response has been to tweet a rather uncomplimentary article on Bella Caledonia about Stu to anyone sharing the link to this article in a futile effort to distract from the fact he’s a liar.

    38. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Good to see you back posting Stuart.

      🙂

      Weet Pishfart won’t take your bet Rev, he knows there will be no Indy Ref in 2023 judging by the NuSNPs comments around projected Scottish seats in 2024 scheduled Westminster GE.

      Like Blah Blah Blackfords “Scotland will not be dragged out of the EU against its will” it’s more carrots for the faithful!

      Anyway hope you are well and that this post may herald a return to what you do best next year.

      Have a happy Hogmanay Rev and wishing you a productive and prosperous 2022.

    39. Dave M says:

      Hahaha! I wondered which one of the SNP the article title was going to refer to 🙂

    40. Chas says:

      I have asked this question previously and no one has even tried to give an answer therefore I ask again.
      IF Scotland has an independence referendum any time soon and IF the Yes vote wins, what happens to all the SNP MP’s at Westminster? Are they out of a job almost overnight or is there a period of grace whilst UK assets and liabilities are ‘divied’ up and a way forward is agreed between Scotland and the UK?
      In a new Independent Scotland are the Westminster MP’s absorbed into the Holyrood system or all they all going to have to fight for a seat against the existing members of the Scottish Parliament? If yes, the contest for the Skye seat would be interesting!
      Given the possibilities surrounding this particular issue, why would any of the existing Westminster SNP MP’s want any change? What do they achieve there anyway other than pick up their salaries and expenses?

    41. paul says:

      Be careful what you wish for, he’s a greedy bastard and an SNP led referendum, with a devomax(imising SNP income aka vow 2) optionwould be designed to fail.

      The only thing that might put him off is the the unpredictability of those pesky,by now mostly blocked voters.

      General election plebiscite is the way.

    42. Dave Llewellyn says:

      BREAKING

      Peter Murrells just off Whatsapping Comfy Slippers to say that if he can get half the money towards the Indyref2 2 fund then he will reprogram the golem, who’s replaced the First Minister after her unfortunate swingball accident, to push the button on …….more bloody carrots

    43. LindyHighland says:

      Pete Wishart was recently quoted in The National saying he wanted St Nic to sit on the Scottish Affairs Committee at Westminster.
      I kid you not, this is a direct quote from him in the article.
      “Her evidence will be invaluable in considering the ongoing work between the UK and Scottish Governments, and how this relationship could be strengthened to benefit the Scottish people.”
      So Pete wants the relationship between Scotland and the UK to be “strengthened”.
      Add to that a recent quote from Nic herself in Vogue magazine where she says she “works well with Michael Gove”.

      What more evidence do the SNP faithful need?

    44. Ah love the sound of broken glass.

    45. Patricia Spencer says:

      I would if he hadn’t blocked me almost 18 months ago for the audacity to ask him what he as an individual MP was doing to progress independence for Scotland. No dialogue or debate – blocked.

    46. Entitlement

      Politically separatists are seen to be
      And who could say that we’re otherwise?
      The fact of having a right to something,
      Persons who’re supporting separation of
      Two separate nation-states: belatedly!?

      © Ewen A. Morrison ???????

    47. Entitlement

      Politically separatists are seen to be
      And who could say that we’re otherwise?
      The fact of having a right to something,
      Persons who’re supporting separation of
      Two separate nation-states: belatedly!?

      © Ewen A. Morrison ???????

    48. Dan says:

      Patsy Millar says: at 12:02 pm

      Would gladly tweet this to Petey boy but he’s blocked me for daring to say he was being discourteous to Tim Rideout.

      Aye, that was quite the episode.
      For those that may not recall the matter.

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-secret-of-teamwork/

    49. Dorothy Devine says:

      Good to read you Rev and sharp as a tack as usual.

      Happy New Year to all who want an independent Scotland and may 2022 be our year.

    50. Republicofscotland says:

      Brilliant Rev, call the b*stard out for the liar he is.

    51. Cuilean says:

      A guid new year tae ain an aw and mony may ye aw see.

      An tae aw yon SNP ‘settled-doon-ers’ jist twa wee wirds fur ye aw:

      tick tock

    52. Nosey says:

      CAN SOMEONE PLEASE! Take a snap shot of this n post it on lying Pete’s Twitter page??????? I’m blocked or I’d do it thank you so very much

    53. holymacmoses says:

      Pishwish has me blocked but I’ll do my best.
      It’s SO good to see a post from you. I do wish you felt fit enough to return in 2022 because I and many others miss you tremendously. SO UNLESS you’re writing the GSN (Great Scottish Novel)- in which case… Anyways, have a great New Year and the very best 2022 – because you deserve some good stuff happening to you.

    54. Republicofscotland says:

      These hypocritical b*stards including Pishy Pete, have a brassneck listing this, when they could’ve saved Scots from it but chose not to.

      “THE Scottish Government has issued a list of the “myriad of Brexit harms” which have impacted on society across Scotland.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19818136.myriad-harms-brexit-caused-scotland%2F

    55. Dan says:

      @ Ros at 3.52pm

      Indeed, here’s a wee reminder of just one aspect.

      https://twitter.com/DickWinchester/status/1476873597578846222

      Wasn’t remaining in the single market a red line for she / her at one point?

    56. Roger says:

      If you have trouble posting this to Twitter, just post it using the short url (below) and it will work fine.

      shorturl.at/fiyHV

    57. ronald anderson says:

      Aw the bestest come Neer-day Stuart and all Wingers let’s hope that 2022 can be better than 2021 .

    58. ClanDonald says:

      I bet you a hundred quid that Comfy Pete doesn’t take you up on your bet.

    59. Meg merrilees says:

      Had to reply – I’m just so IMPRESSED by the number of Wingers who are blcoked by Mr. Wishart.

      Great way for a politician to behave – no encouragement of any genuine debate, not any political awareness of what supporters of Independence truly think.

      ..Hums loudly, I’m ok in my little Wishart bubble, hum, humm…

      Meanwhile, I can’t believe I am listening to an interview being conducted in British Sign Language on the Radio – BBC excels itself again! The world is slowly disappearing down an enormous rabbit hole.

      Have a Guid New Year Rev, and especially Craig Murray.

      All the Best everyone.

      Fingers crossed 2022 will bring some positive changes to the Scottish political scene – long overdue.

      Cheers!

    60. twathater says:

      Nice to see this post in my in box , but let’s be honest there is NO CHANCE of Wet Pishfart or ANY other SNP pervert or deviant taking up your bet because they know the truth, that Nicla is a shitebag up against WM the same as they are shitebags against the perverted one
      Sturgeon would take you up on your bet because she would INSIST on a devo max option on the ballot and her communication dog would write it for her because he has previous experience selling out his country

      Have A Great New Year Stuart

    61. Alastair Bryan says:

      Stinky Pete and his ratbag pals in the SNP have done nothing to further the cause of independence. With the council elections pending it’s time to give the colonial administration of Scotland a fright vote Alba. Let get this corupt lying secret Unionists out.

    62. Republicofscotland says:

      “Wasn’t remaining in the single market a red line for she / her at one point?”

      Dan @4.17pm.

      Yes Dan it was as Ian Blackford said Scotland won’t be dragged out of Europe against her will.

      Its the SNP MSPs that I’m angry at they know exactly what’s going on yet not one of them has the guts to make a stand or whistleblow on what’s going on. Instead these spineless and gutless troughers sit behind Sturgeon at FMQs and like nodding dogs agree with everything she says, whilst the country goes down the toilet.

    63. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Nosey.

      If you’re NOT logged into Twitter, you can see what you like, coz you can’t be blocked. I don’t “do” Twitter but I can see the pishfart posts when I go to his page.
      Log out of Twitter then try this link…

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart

    64. Anonymoose says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      31 December, 2021 at 6:53 pm

      Its the SNP MSPs that I’m angry at they know exactly what’s going on yet not one of them has the guts to make a stand or whistleblow on what’s going on. Instead these spineless and gutless troughers sit behind Sturgeon at FMQs and like nodding dogs agree with everything she says, whilst the country goes down the toilet.

      —–

      If any of them had Scotland as their prime concern they would speak out.

      We had an election this year so even if Sturgeon kicked them out of the NSP for doing so they then have 4.5 years as independent MSPs to hold her feet to the fire in Holyrood (Assuming they dont join either Alba or ISP).

      They would be more effective as opposition than toeing the NSPs lines, but the bulk of them are career politicians or from the gender woowoo brigade, their paycheques & pronouns are more important to them than our country and it shows.

      —–

      Brian Doonthetoon says:
      31 December, 2021 at 7:18 pm

      Hi Nosey.

      If you’re NOT logged into Twitter, you can see what you like, coz you can’t be blocked. I don’t “do” Twitter but I can see the pishfart posts when I go to his page.
      Log out of Twitter then try this link…

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart

      —–

      Just use a private browser/tab, it saves having to log out in your main browser.

    65. Anonymoose says:

      While I am here – I hope you, yours’ and the swans have had a nice festive period Stu.

      You are a true asset to Scotland and our breaking free from the treason of union.

      You have written nothing but truths, no matter how uncomfortable they are to read, and every single time you have been bang on the money.

      Lang may yer lum reek.

    66. Craig P says:

      Back in 2014, George Robertson was the figure independence supporters baited on twitter when they were bored. It is a sad indictment of Pete Wishart that an SNP MP has taken Robertson’s place.

    67. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon 7:18pm
      As usual you are the go to IT guy. I don’t think Stu’s bet will be taken up. It’s an absolute certainty they won’t be an Indy Ref. The net is closing on these charlatans.

    68. robertknight says:

      Lord Wishart of Broomhead will no doubt be hiding behind the mound of tumbleweed in his office, hoping something else will be along soon to distract supporters of Indy from the SNP’s constant prevarication when it comes to Indyref2.

    69. DickieT says:

      Would do but but blocked the slippered one before he blocked me.

      He is our local MP. I cannot stand the man. Utterly arrogant and contemptuous. The only people who vote for him are people who have never met him.

      He has a new wife who has her eyes fairly and squarely on the pension pot. Everyone knows it except the slippered one.

    70. Jim Thomson says:

      Just checked his follower count – 53,862

      Does that reduce when he blocks someone?

    71. Skip_NC says:

      You know, if Pete Wishart were a US Congressman, he wouldn’t be allowed to block constituents. We have a constitutional right to instruct our representatives. If I remember correctly, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez got told off by a US District Court Judge for blocking someone. So, once again, I am happy to be this side of the pond, where I have more rights.

      When Scotland becomes a normal country again, it will not be the end, but the beginning. We are going to have to build institutions from the ground up that truly represent the residents of Scotland.

    72. Ruby says:

      Everyone is blocked by Cozy Slippers except me.

      I’m not blocked because I don’t do twitter.

      However I feel as do many woman in Scotland that I am blocked by the First Minister. She ain’t listening.

      Any news of the party Chez les Murell?

    73. Ruby says:

      Not long now until everything goes crackers!

      The fireworks will go off they will set off all the car and shop alarms! The poor dogs will be terrified and they will start barking until well into next year.

      That is the ones who aren’t ex-army service dogs. They will used to all the explosions. Perhaps the police dogs will be the same.

      Dogs are bloody marvellous. I want to say sorry to all the dogs for the fireworks and wish them all a very happy new year and thank them for all the terrific work they do.

    74. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Happy New Year Abdee!

    75. Ruby says:

      Happy New Year everyone!

      I have to take it all back about the fireworks.

      Nothing happened!

      I’m so happy for the dogs!

    76. Hatuey says:

      All the best everybody. I have a good feeling about 2022.

    77. Ruby says:

      First bit of news I read in 2022. I do not have a good feeling about 2022.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fnews%2F19818876.new-year-honours-2021-knighthood-tony-blair-scientists-honoured-fight-covid%2F

      ‘Former prime minister Tony Blair is to be knighted with the highest possible ranking, Buckingham Palace has said, in an announcement that coincides with the New Year Honours List.

      Sir Tony, who held the keys to Number 10 between 1997 and 2007, is appointed a Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, the oldest and most senior British Order of Chivalry.’

    78. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Happy New Year to you Rev Stu and all fellow Wingers (and lurkers).

      “Here’s tae us. Wha’s like us? Damn few, and they’re a’deid.”

      Unfortunately mair Scottish Patriots have died waiting on our nation regaining her independence this year as our elected representatives do fuck all but watch their bank balances grow!

      Hope 2022 is guid tae all.

      Hope the NuSNP get skelpt in the Council Elections by Alba and the ISP.

    79. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Happy New Year all to Rev Stu and all Wingers (and lurkers).

      “Here’s tae us. Wha’s like us? Damn few, and they’re a’deid.”

      Unfortunately mair Scottish Patriots have died waiting on our nation regaining her independence this year as our elected representatives do fuck all but watch their bank balances grow!

      Hope 2022 is guid tae all.

      Hope the NuSNP get skelpt in the Council Elections by Alba and the ISP.

    80. James Barr Gardner says:

      War criminal gets honours !

      Soon SNP Troughers Snouts will be lining up fer honours an’ pensions !

      Do ye get the feel noo that ye huv awe been shafted ?

    81. Robert Graham says:

      Hatman good feeling about 2022 . You taking the piss ?

      Yer a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE

    82. Caroline Wilson says:

      Happy New Year, Stuart.

    83. Hatuey says:

      Shit, I’m rumbled.

      If only I’d joined the Branch Covidian Suicide Cult…

    84. Wullie B says:

      Surely £5k is a big enough carrot to lure Weet Pishfart

    85. robertknight says:

      A Guid Ne’er tae Ane an Aw, an monie may ye see.

    86. Republicofscotland says:

      How’s this for a small independent nation that was once part of the British empire.

      “The Irish language will become a full, official language of the European Union from midnight.”

      “On January 1st, it achieves full status with all documents published by the EU being translated as Gaeilge.”

      https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-achieves-full-eu-language-status-from-midnight-1293864?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1640950919

    87. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Bestest to all for the year ahead.

      X

    88. Andy Ellis says:

      @Jockanese 12.56 am

      “Hope the NuSNP get skelpt in the Council Elections by Alba and the ISP.”

      From your lips to God’s ears mate: it may be too much to hope that there will be a major breakthrough, but seeing some of the reactions online to Tony Giugliano’s recent outbursts, I went and looked at the 2017 figures for Edinburgh Council to see what the scale of the task might be to get Alba councillors elected:

      There are 63 seats on the council, so a majority requires 32 seats. Pro indy parties won 27 in 2017 (19 for SNP, 8 Greens). Most of the wards in Edinburgh have electorates in the high 20,000’s or low 30,000’s and return 3 or 4 councillors. The quotas for electing a councillor after transferred votes range between a low of 1699 votes in Sighthill/Gorgie, to a high of 2858 in Corstorphine/Marrayfield.

      Five of the councillors elected in 3rd or 4th place did so on the basis of only 1100-1300 first preference votes, and 8 on around 1500-1700 votes. The lowest First Preference % of the vote that resulted in election was 11.7% (1244 votes) for the Green councillor in Craigentinny/Duddingston.

      Though Edinburgh might not be the most fertile territory for Alba, it shows the scale of the task at hand. Winning council seats here depends on getting >10% first preference votes in some wards and picking up enough transfer votes to get over quota. Those might come from “disaffected” SNP voters, or they might come from unionist voters trying to limit SNP numbers (although I’m not sure how many britnats would want to give their lower preferences to a party that is more radical on indy than the SNP!).

    89. Alf Baird says:

      Republicofscotland @ 10:56 am

      “The Irish language will become a full, official language of the European Union from midnight.”

      Yes RoS, all peoples in self-determination conflict are linguistically divided and the Scots are nae different. Oor ain Scots langage is the anely thing whit gie’s us Scots oor Scottis naitional identity an cultur efter aw. The Scots language is therefore the verra foonds (foundations) of the desire for independence of the Scottish people.

      Gaelic has been given statutory authority in Scotland since 2005, but the Scots language which mony mair Scots speak, has not, it has been ignored; this is ethnic oppression of a people, to deny them their human and linguistic right to their own language. Once a people’s language disappears so does their culture and identity with it, and hence their desire for nationhood; a colonised people are a perishable people in mair weys than ane, and where language oppression and socio-linguistic prejudice is a key feature.

      The Scots language is therefore of central importance to the cause of Scottish independence – which is precisely why oor Brit overseers mak shuir oor ain braw Scots language is nivver taucht tae Scots bairns in Scottis schuils!

      A guid new year tae ane an aw, lang mey yer lum reek.

      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/07/04/paper-two-the-determinants-of-independence/

    90. Grouse Beater says:

      Note use of ‘fail’ in Joanna Cherry’s recent tweet.

      “Excellent poll for the SNP predicting 56 seats at next General Election & Tory wipeout. If current strategy fails to deliver referendum promised in 2023 it will be vital we use this election wisely to further our primary aim.”

    91. Republicofscotland says:

      Grousebeater @12.52pm.

      Here Joanna Cherry appears to be sympathetic towards juryless trials.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F19816796.joanna-cherry-justice-system-can-better-serve-women-raped%2F

    92. Republicofscotland says:

      Alf @12.05pm.

      Totally agree Alf.

    93. Republicofscotland says:

      Ruby @12.23.

      One wonders how many Scots will be on the New Years obedience (honours) list, a list said to salute achievements, when infact its main goal is to help legitimise royalties position in society, which is one of mostly privilege above all others, and at great expense to the public.

    94. wee monkey says:

      If you want to throw up now would be a good time…

      The CMO for Scotland Dr Gregor Smith is also to be given a knighthood.

      ref https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/31/chris-whitty-knighted-as-covid-experts-feted-in-new-year-honours-list

      JUST REMEMBER NOW, BOTH VOTES FOR INDY.

      wonder if he will knock it back……doesn’t matter, it’s the thought that counts.

    95. Grouse Beater says:

      Response to Republic of Scotland at 1.09pm.

      Joanna tacks a tight course to a safe port astride the SS Fence.

      ‘A Threat to Justice’: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-r6e

    96. Ebok says:

      @Jockanese 12.56 am
      @Andy Ellis 11.16am

      Like many, I’ve been frustrated by Alba’s focus on strategy rather than street-fighting; this may be explained by my preference for Rocky Marciano rather than Gentleman Jim Corbett.

      However, Alex Salmond has earned his portrayal as the consummate politician and has certainly made a detailed plan of attack for the forthcoming council elections and beyond.
      But make no mistake, the outcome of these council elections is crucial, and will determine whether ALBA has a future. Failure to make the breakthrough in May 2021 was understandable, failure in May 2022 is unthinkable.

      Prospects are good, however. Turnout is much lower in the local’s, which should help. Alba voters will be more committed than most which will result in a much higher % of our followers turning out. More voters will also be aware of the importance of using second and subsequent preferences wisely. There is no SNP 1 & 2 for local elections.

      Then there is the ‘protest’ factor where voters take the opportunity to give the ruling party a poke in the eye. Whether Sturgeon can maintain her current approval rating must be highly questionable, as understanding of her policies and failures becomes clearer.

      Another factor is that at the 2017 locals, not only had SNP reached their zenith, but so also had the Cons under Baroness Ruthie, who was at that time was very popular and openly talked about as being the leader of the UK Cons, even future PM.
      Both SNP and Cons could be expected to lose ground this time round.

      The final and most critical factor is the huge commitment of foot-soldiers, now firmly on board the Alba steamroller. Much of the preparations so far by Alba has been locally as seen in Nov by the national LOCAL push. That is what made SNP so powerful, and time will tell if this strategy bears fruit for us.

      I’ve no idea what the benchmark is for success, but the timing is as good as it can be, with the sequence 1. Council, 2. GE, 3 HR. giving Alba the time to build the momentum needed for 2026.

      The Rev and AS may give the outward appearances of being gamblers, but this is a false depiction: gamblers take a chance and play against the odds, these two are wily and calculating. Whether AS is more calculating or gambling on this strategy, only he knows. The rest of us will find out in May.

    97. Hatuey says:

      “make no mistake, the outcome of these council elections is crucial, and will determine whether ALBA has a future.”

      I don’t know why you’d say that. Most people don’t vote in council elections (turnout is usually under 50%), even if there’s more interest in them today than there was say 10 years ago.

      I’d actually spin what you’ve said around and ask you to define what success in council elections would look like for Alba. Then I’d ask you to explain what difference that success might make in the great scheme of things and I can answer that question now; no difference.

      I’d much rather see Alba dedicating itself to giving structure, leadership, and power to the untapped mass movement of independence supporters out there who, let’s not forget, represent more than 50% of the population.

      I’m talking about bringing all the various Yes groups into the tent, AUOB, Wings supporters, the Commonweal types, etc. Put a structure in place that turns all those millions of yes voters into a cohesive political force and then, after you’ve done that, start fielding candidates.

      More and more independence supporters are realising that they don’t have political representation in Scotland today. Even before Sturgeon, it was an illusion that they ever did. There’s a difference between exploiting support for independence which the SNP made ten thousand careers out of and real, meaningful, representation.

      Frankly, I’m sick of the games politicians play with our aspirations and dreams. Represent us properly or fuck off.

      Council elections? Who truly gives a fuck?

    98. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ebok 2.33 pm

      I don’t think we should be too hard on Alba to be honest: it’s still pretty early days and Covid certainly hasn’t helped. It’s no small thing to stand up a new party and as you say expecting anything to happen by May 2021 was always unrealistic. The Scottish electorate have proven time after time their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but perhaps they need to be led to the edge of the abyss and dangled over it before they wake the fuck up?

      The SNP have set up a few hostages to fortune, particularly the assurance that #indyref2 will happen in the first half of this Holyrood parliament. When that doesn’t happen, I doubt they’ll just be able to shrug it off, particularly if it’s twinned with a continuing deterioration in the economy and no real progress on any other issues.

      I wouldn’t be that downhearted if there isn’t a big breakthrough in May: the real goal has to be Holyrood 2026. I have my doubts participating in the Westminster charade is worthwhile at all: if Alba does so, it should be on an abstentionist basis like Sinn Fein. If nothing else, I’d be tempted to target particular SNP seats to ensure the particularly egregious devolutionists lose.

    99. Republicofscotland says:

      “Joanna tacks a tight course to a safe port astride the SS Fence.”

      Grousebeater.

      Yes I agree with the above sentence, thanks for the link to your article, I found it interesting and somewhat depressing. The new LA is onboard with juryless trials, trials that will become the norm across the board, not just in sexual cases.

      The implications are massive, for those with a dissenting voice, who will quickly find themselves up in front of a partisan judge, and sent to prison.

    100. Ruby says:

      Fiona Leverick, Professor of Criminal Law and Criminal Justice at the University of Glasgow, has published research into jury decision-making in which she found “overwhelming evidence” that jurors hold “prejudicial and false beliefs” about rape that affect their evaluation of evidence at trial. These include the belief that a “real” rape victim would have injuries and that even a short delay in reporting a rape is suspicious.”

      It might be a good thing if the public were told what a ‘real’ rape victim is.
      ie Why they would delay in reporting the crime. Obviously a delay would mean there would be no signs of injuries.

      It would help if victims of rape were encouraged to report the crime immediately.

      If you start inventing lots of new crimes then you will end up with a huge backlog and if you don’t convince the public that these new crimes are serious then you will end up with a jury with “prejudicial and false beliefs” ie touching someone’s knee is not a crime.

      If the jury believed the person in the dock was a woman would they not be more inclined towards an innocent verdict being that their “prejudicial and false belief” would be that women cannot rape?

      It would also be helpful to know the difference between a sexual offence & flirting.

      Is kissing someone on the cheek & telling them they are handsome really a sexual offence?

      What about touching someone’s knee or hair?

      The public need lot of education before they can serve on juries. I wonder if you can be excused from jury service if you claim to have “prejudicial and false beliefs”. ie a woman cannot rape.

      What skills does a judge have that juries don’t to determine whether someone is telling the truth or not?

    101. 100%Yes says:

      He knows Independence has been stonewalled.

    102. robertknight says:

      100%Yes…

      “He knows Independence has been stonewalled.”

      The turkey my family enjoyed last week had been decapitated, disemboweled, plucked, stuffed and roasted. By the time we’d finished with it, it was unrecognisable.

      If you include all that our turkey endured in your definition of “stonewalled”, then I’d tend to agree.

      It’ll be “stonewalled” turkey for next Christmas again, I’m sure.

    103. Stuart MacKay says:

      Republicofscotland

      It struck me that the promise of jury-less trials, whilst being another card being played from the #metoo hand, the timing seems more likely designed to split #womenwontwheest vote and head off opposition to self-id – now that it seems to be gaining momentum.

      One of my New Year’s resolutions was to be less cynical but with material like this to work with, what can one do, sigh.

      BTW https://www.voices.scot/ is still steaming along. We should reach the 100,000 articles read before the end of month. Not bad if I say so myself.

      Happy New Year y’all.

    104. robbo says:

      Tom Stoltman- World’s Strongest Man !

      Well done big lad.

    105. Hatuey says:

      According to what I’m seeing on various news platforms, energy costs for the average household are expected to increase by around £1300 in 2022.

      In a country with some of worst poverty black spots in Europe, I’m wondering where they think people are going to find that sort of money.

      In a country that produces much more electricity than it uses, produces much more gas than it uses, a country that is swimming in oil, I’m wondering how they’re going to explain how this additional suffering is necessary to the hungry, shivering, masses.

      Three years ago on Craig Murray’s website I asked a question that nobody was able to answer; what is the indy equivalent of the descriptor “Red Tory”?

      In other words, if “Red Tory” described a Labour politician who was pretending to be left-leaning or socialist, and was actually a Tory, what do we call a politician in the Scottish context who is pretending he or she wants independence but in reality is super-happy with the status quo?

    106. Ebok says:

      Hatuey @3.56pm
      Andy Ellis @4.13pm

      I’ll respond to Andy first because he has a better understanding of what I’m getting at.

      ‘I don’t think we should be too hard on Alba to be honest’
      ‘the real goal has to be Holyrood 2026’

      I’m not being hard on Alba at all Andy. They have shown very clearly that their approach is geared towards 2026, the ‘real goal’ as you put it. My comment merely expresses the opinion I hold, that all the eggs are now in one basket – subject to ‘events’ unfolding, over which we have no control.
      WM 2024 is a non-starter, as you say. It would be incredulous if ALBA increased its current representation, particularly if they don’t make an impact in May.

      @ Hatuey says
      ‘I’d much rather see Alba dedicating itself to giving structure, leadership, and power to the untapped mass movement of independence supporters out there who, let’s not forget, represent more than 50% of the population.’
      Don’t you get it Hatuey?
      That is exactly what they have been doing since the formation of the party. That was the whole point of my comment!
      What I am questioning is whether the softly, softly, approach is good enough. I’d much prefer if we included some hell raising actions to alert the public of this administrations appalling record, to rattle a few cages, and to highlight the arrival of Alba. But it’s not happening so all we can do is put our faith in AS.

      You ask me to define what a successful result would be in May, so you clearly didn’t fully read the comment ‘I’ve no idea what the benchmark is for success.’
      However, if you want a number, then 10% of first preferences is a minimum, which would likely result in around 120 of the 1220 total. That would enable Alba to replace the Libs as 4th party, and perhaps give parity with Independents.
      The difference success would make in these council elections is that it would give momentum, a clear yardstick of progress, and offer an alternative to voters in subsequent elections. But if after 15 months Alba can’t establish itself locally then there is no pressure on SNP, nothing to build on, and little hope of becoming a major player in the short term. We’d be set back a further 5 years.

      You said in a previous comment ‘If you read my comments carefully you’ll see that 99% of the focus is on data, facts’.
      Well, here is something for you to chew on: Alex Salmond said on Scottish Prism that 95% of voters had no real interest in politics.
      SNP has lost around 60,000 members. These members were interested enough in politics to join a political party, pay dues, contribute, complete bank mandates etc. So, it is a safe bet these 60,000 were among the ‘other’ 5% Alex referred to. They will know who AS is and they will know about Alba.
      Alba has 6 or 7000 members, mostly I would suggest, ex SNP. So where are the other 53,000 former SNP members?

      This is what really bothers me. There seems to be an acceptance that SNP will implode at some point, but I think it would be dangerous to assume that SNP voters will simply move on to Alba.
      If 53,000 of 60,000 committed voters, who joined and paid good money to SNP, are not interested anymore, at a time when no other party commands an ounce of respect, then perhaps the final sentence of your 3.56pm comment will be typical for many at all elections.

    107. wee monkey says:

      Meanwhile back to the reality of Scotland today…

      https://twitter.com/EOTILLOGICAL/status/1477319572311224321?s=20

      Notice it’s all the old people they go for, like jackals.

      They try that on with the youngsters, they’d get a rightful kicking…

    108. Angry Weegie says:

      It took two shots, but Twitter did accept the tweet. Unfortunately, I’m blocked, so I’m depending on retweets to get my message to the man who would be speaker.

    109. wee monkey says:

      Second half. How dare they have a dance on Hogmanay.

      https://twitter.com/PBC174/status/1477288772987498498?s=20

    110. Hatuey says:

      Ebok “‘I’d much rather see Alba dedicating itself to giving structure, leadership, and power to the untapped mass movement of independence supporters out there who, let’s not forget, represent more than 50% of the population.’
      Don’t you get it Hatuey?
      That is exactly what they have been doing since the formation of the party. That was the whole point of my comment!“

      It isn’t actually. What they’ve been doing is working on the infrastructure of Alba. There’s a difference.

      It’s possible we both are urging the same sort of thing from slightly different angles and I agree when you say;

      “What I am questioning is whether the softly, softly, approach is good enough. I’d much prefer if we included some hell raising actions to alert the public of this administrations appalling record, to rattle a few cages, and to highlight the arrival of Alba.”

      Either way, I’d prefer to see them devote time to engaging with grassroots organisations who have been systematically ignored and marginalised since Sturgeon took over.

      More than engage, I’d like to see them co-opt them and make the indy movement a massive immovable object at the heart of Scottish politics.

      Your 53,000 missing members is a huge assumption that I find difficult to take seriously. I agree with Salmond on that score, though, that 6000 members is pretty impressive for a party that just fell out of the traps, has been denied media platforming, and has been unable to canvas due to covid.

      Alba has done a lot right so far. The next phase is going to come down to taking the message to the streets and doorsteps, bypassing the MSM, and how much support each and every single one of us is willing to supply. And we need to stop arguing about crap and get on with it, otherwise we are all fucked and the assholes win.

    111. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Wee Monkey.

      The full version of those videos is quite chilling. A lesson on how to manufacture an “incident” out of nothing.

      https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1323966532098723844

    112. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      Happy New Year Stuart,

      Thankyou for this PishFart post which has cheered me and hopefully others right up.

      I can pretty much guarantee a way you WILL get a response from Wetminster Wishart.

      Have IndyPoster Boy or equivalent print 5,000 x A3 sized posters stating…

      DOES THE LOCAL MP LIE?”

      Below the headline a summary and web-link of your bet.

      For good eye-catching measure, have the footer part of each poster in large bold font state…

      REVEREND CAMPBELL WAGERS THE LOCAL MP £5,000 CASH THAT PETE WISHART IS LYING ABOUT HIS SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE PROMISE?

      The reason this style of approach works is my old boss did something similar in another constituency. The local newspaper picked it up after seeing dozens of posters appear in shop and house windows and the MP LOST the seat (in another part of the U.K).

      In 2017 Wishart infamously had a stressfully slim majority of 21 votes.

      In 2019 that was rescued to 7550, but in reality is requires just half that 7550 to change the vote and to make it possible for Wishart to BE GONE from Westminster by 2024 at the latest.

      Just 3775 voters whom, on the evidence of the 2017 majority of 21 voters are just lending their vote to Wishart. Pretty much all of Pension Pete’s majority is highly volatile.

      Mr Campbell, I think Wings has a very, very good chance of politically decapitating Wishart.

      The poster campaign could be refreshed every three months, for example….

      “A QUESTION FOR PERTH MP PETE WISHART: DID THE POLICE EVER FIND THE £600,000 YOUR BOSS “WOVE” AWAY FROM DONORS UNDER QUESTIONABLE PRETENCES?”

      Of all the odious Woke captured spineless reptiles in the current SNP leadership, I now believe the supporters of Wings Over Scotland can get rid of one of the worst.

      Fluck being banned by wonky Twatter algorithms off of social medial. Go directly to the constituency. There WILL be thousands of voters in the Perth & North Perthshire constituency who LOATHE Wishart and would gladly put an A3 poster in their shop or house window.

      What a brilliant result it would be to behead this pretentious political parasite from his Westminster sinecure.

      I pretty much guarantee that your bet would appear on the PishFart Twitter timeline once he and his little pickle panted fan club started witnessing a constituency-wide campaign to show what a lying piece of excrement they have squatting in the Palace of Westminster for his own financial benefit.

    113. Dorothy Devine says:

      That footage is dreadful . What have our police become?

    114. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 2.01 am

      “It isn’t actually. What they’ve been doing is working on the infrastructure of Alba. There’s a difference.”

      It’s necessary to learn to walk before you run tho’ Hatuey! Having seen a branch being established first hand, it’s not something that just *happens*, people have to do it, devote their time and often money to putting the basics in place. Given recent experience with the SNP, and the fact as Ebok pointed out that many doing the actual work in Alba are former SNP activists, members and voters we have an opportunity to show the electorate something better, both in policy terms and in terms of party democracy and openness?

      In my view Alba should avoid trying to be all things to all men, and in particular it should avoid trying to “co-opt” grassroots indy movements as you put it. Co-operate with them on areas of common interest by all means, but make it clear that the indy movement isn’t the property of the SNP, as the serial electoral failure Tony Giugliano recently asserted when he talked of excluding Alba from “their” movement.

      In the medium to long term, and indy movement consisting of a number of political parties (probably in our case the SNP, Alba and Greens) and various grass roots interest groups is the way forward. We had a shot in 2012-14 of using a “big tent” approach, with one overweening party supplying the engine of the movement, and everyone else putting their policy differences aside, and working towards the common goal: “eyes on the prize” and all that. Those days are gone.

      Like it or not the SNP are still likely to be in a dominant position in the short to medium term: only its members can force change from within before the next Holyrood election. Many of those who were most motivated to effect change in the party have already left in disgust: there is clearly little appetite amongst those left.

      An electoral gubbing is probably the only thing which will bring about change in the SNP. Alba can certainly play a part in that, but while I agree it’s important to do the work on the streets and publicise policy differences, it’s also important not to raise false expectations that there will be some imminent breakthrough.

    115. Chas says:

      Meanwhile in sunny Bo’ness a father watched a man follow his 14 year old daughter into a female toilet.
      When the man exited the father questioned him. He said ‘I self identify as a female’. The father promptly knocked his teeth out and said ‘I self identify as the tooth fairy’.

    116. Effigy says:

      The idea police force for the Tories seems to have arrived.
      Mindless Bullies who put themselves above the law and operate
      like they have their own kangaroo court.

      I’m in no doubt they will all collude to prosecute someone who had
      no criminal convictions and were caught out demanding basic human rights.

      I have never been charged with anything and neither has anyone in my family.
      In fact I have aided the police in the past but no I’ll stay well clear of them as they
      are as likely to be more dangerous than other street thugs as long as they have the
      power to manufacture and appoint crimes.

      In recent times the police sold a story about raiding Cliff Richards home.
      Officers have committed murder and rape, they take pictures of murder scenes
      for Social Media, they falsify evidence and they refuse to go look for evidence of
      illegal Tory Xmas parties.

      The average response time they have to get an officer to a domestic break-in is over 4,hours.
      They seem to have a spare 20 officers on hand if a drunk staffers in the street.

      We need a police force but it isnt the one we seen now!

    117. Ruby says:

      Meanwhile over on The Herald David Leask is telling us

      ‘How Scotland’s policing methods are impressing the world’

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fnews%2F19818937.scotlands-policing-methods-impressing-world%2F

    118. Effigy says:

      Anyone have a link to the Stop Tony Blair’s Knighthood petition.

      U.K. media has the story but of course no link to join
      the 150,000 signatures recognising his illegal war killing and
      displacing millions, his formula for creating the right wing Labour Party
      and his pathetic pleading with Pres Bush to let him into their investment cartel.

      Blair could have assets of up to £100 million knowing that means the more he has the less
      those have at the other end of the spectrum.

      Yes Tony, some people renting from your property portfolio can pay you rent or eat or heat.

      His mate Brown will no doubt be joining him as Lord Liar of Scotland, yet another Labour Party millionaire.

    119. Hatuey says:

      Was it Jock Stein that said “football without fans was nothing”? We didn’t think we would ever find out but it turns out that he was wrong, whoever it was — it’s crap but not quite nothing.

      Under Sturgeon we have seen something similar — politics without people. Sturgeon from day one done everything possible to keep ordinary people and grassroots groups at arms length; it’s the best evidence there is that she had no intention of ever pressing for independence and knew in advance that ordinary people and the grassroots would be getting shafted.

      That was a huge mistake, on a number of levels. She is now completely dependent on the alacrity of BBC Scotland and other facets of the British MSM and State. And she has left a power vacuum at the heart of Scottish politics that represents a huge opportunity for Alba.

      Alba can’t be another political party along those same lines and must do everything possible to differentiate itself. The people of Scotland aren’t “exceptional” but most of them remember the way Scottish Labour shafted them and are facing the grim reality that the SNP are now doing the exact same thing again. It can’t happen a third time.

      People when it comes to politics can’t be treated like football fans — expected to turn up, cough up, shut up, and applaud.

      The success of 2014 was driven by offering people much more than that. Nobody who was involved with the people of Yes groups and Hope Over Fear in 2014 finds it difficult today to explain the electricity of that campaign or its success. There’s no mystery. As much as I like Salmond and admire the role he played back then, the engine, dynamics, and momentum all came from ordinary people below.

      And it can happen again. It could happen next week. There’s no requirement or anything in stone that says all those hopes and dreams need to wait for some political process to unfold over the next ten years (if you believe that, you’re basically fucked from the get-go because you don’t understand what you’re dealing with).

      The indy movement is sitting like a freight train just waiting to be fired up and rammed right through the heart of Scottish politics. Forget council elections and opinion polls — it’s all crap. Holyrood too. You’d need to b

    120. Hatuey says:

      Was it Jock Stein that said “football without fans was nothing”? We didn’t think we would ever find out but it turns out that he was wrong, whoever it was — it’s crap but not quite nothing.

      Under Sturgeon we have seen something similar — politics without people. Sturgeon from day one done everything possible to keep ordinary people and grassroots groups at arms length; it’s the best evidence there is that she had no intention of ever pressing for independence and knew in advance that ordinary people and the grassroots would be getting shafted.

      That was a huge mistake, on a number of levels. She is now completely dependent on the alacrity of BBC Scotland and other facets of the British MSM and State. And she has left a power vacuum at the heart of Scottish politics that represents a huge opportunity for Alba.

      Alba can’t be another political party along those same lines and must do everything possible to differentiate itself. The people of Scotland aren’t “exceptional” but most of them remember the way Scottish Labour shafted them and are facing the grim reality that the SNP are now doing the exact same thing again. It can’t happen a third time.

      People when it comes to politics can’t be treated like football fans — expected to turn up, cough up, shut up, and applaud.

      The success of 2014 was driven by offering people much more than that. Nobody who was involved with the people of Yes groups and Hope Over Fear in 2014 finds it difficult today to explain the electricity of that campaign or its success. There’s no mystery. As much as I like Salmond and admire the role he played back then, the engine, dynamics, and momentum all came from ordinary people below.

      And it can happen again. It could happen next week. There’s no requirement or anything in stone that says all those hopes and dreams need to wait for some political process to unfold over the next ten years (if you believe that, you’re basically fucked from the get-go because you don’t understand what you’re dealing with).

      The indy movement is sitting like a freight train just waiting to be fired up and rammed right through the heart of Scottish politics. Forget council elections and opinion polls — it’s all crap. Holyrood too. You’d need to be a bit stupid to get any satisfaction from Holyrood.

    121. Hatuey says:

      Apologies for duplicate… pressed submit in error first time.

    122. Ruby says:

      Perhaps rape should be divided into two different categories.
      1. What the public ‘consider’ to be rape. Where the crime is reported immediately and the victim has injuries. ie victim attacked in the park by a stranger. No question about the person being raped.

      2. Where the ‘rape’ happens for example at the end of a date and the question is whether the woman consented or not. There are no witnesses alleged rape not reported immediately how would you go about deciding guilt? I would think that would be nearly impossible.

    123. Robert Graham says:

      Aye only just the 2nd of January and the next star takes the stage

      Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the next Hysterical offering

      FLURONA

      This little gem will be making News headlines shortly get ready for yer next shot

      Have a nice day now

    124. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 12.39 pm

      Sounds like wishful thinking to me. If we’re to ignore elections, Holyrood and opinion polls and place all our faith on this train with no fuel, I’m still waiting to hear how this train gets rammed through the heart of Scottish politics? The heady days of Yes Scotland seem like a lifetime ago, never mind 7 years.

      I’d love to think we’d see outraged pro-indy Scots of all political persuasions do a “la Diada”, but do you seriously think that’s on the horizon? SNP members and voters can’t even rid themselves of Sturgeon, and just proved in May that they still largely think the SNP will make good on their promises.

      I’m all ears to hear what it is you think is going to propel this currently powerless indy freight train down the tracks to independence central. Perhaps there will be some political earthquake – whether here or in Westminster – that serves as some catalyst, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

      It’s all very well for folk to say: “Labour shafted you in the past, the SNP are shafting you now, so we can’t trust another conventional political party or process to deliver” but what’s your realistic alternative?

    125. Republicofscotland says:

      I’m not happy with Police Scotland’s actions on certain matters, however last nights rammy in the Avant Garde pub on King street Glasgow, and the large police attendance, was down to patrons in the pubs not leaving after being told time was up and to please exit the bar.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyrecord.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fscottish-news%2Frammy-scots-pub-caught-video-25832099

    126. Ruby says:

      Mahatma Gandhi
      Nelson Mandela
      Martin Luther King
      Che Guevara
      Emmeline Pankhurst
      Michael Collins

      All these various movements had strong leaders.

      The Scottish Independence movement has no leader.

      Can anyone imagine Nicola Sturgeon or Patrick Harvie as the revolutionary leader required by the Independence movement?

      Alex Salmond filled the role in 2014. Can he do it again or has he been destroyed by the NSNP?

      A leader is needed. Could Angus Brendan MacNeil fill the roll?

    127. Ruby says:

      “Outside the bar, an officer asks an older man to move away from the door and stop swearing or he’ll “get the jail”. The man replies: “I’m 64 years of age. If I want to swear I’ll swear pal.”

      Would this be a non-crime crime? Arrested for swearing because someone was offended by his swearing?

      “The officer starts lifting up drinks and taking them away.”

      This is quite a strange story. Is lifting up the drinks and taking them away not normally a job for the pub staff?

      It’s also quite strange that a pub would close at 11.30 on Hogmanay.

      More details needed.

    128. Republicofscotland says:

      “It struck me that the promise of jury-less trials, whilst being another card being played from the #metoo hand, the timing seems more likely designed to split #womenwontwheest vote and head off opposition to self-id – now that it seems to be gaining momentum.”

      Stuart @7.28pm.

      Stuart.

      Juryless trials are being promoted as away of rising the conviction rates on sexual offences and to help clear a backlog of cases, putting the outcome of a trial in the hands of a judge is fraught with danger, you just have to look at what happened to Craig Murray with no jury, and then see how Alex Salmond faired with one.

      Juryless trials will open the door to abuse of the system, all manner of folk including indy bloggers will be fair game, and could find themselves up before a judge and whisked off to prison, we’ve already seen the likes of Mark Hirst, Craig Murray, Marion Millar and David Llewellyn feel the force of the law for committing no crimes other than speaking the truth or protesting injustice.

      Scotland is fast becoming an authoritarian state under Sturgeon, where truthful reporting (Especially by indy bloggers) will not be tolerated.

      You can’t tell me that the SNP MSPs that sit behind Sturgeon on FMQs don’t know what’s going on, yet not one of them has broken ranks or spoken out for the sake of the whole country, what does that say about them? as they sit there clapping like seals every time Sturgeon spits out a witty riposte, meanwhile the country circles the plughole.

    129. stuart mctavish says:

      Talking of bullshiters the Duke of Edinburgh will doubtless be birling at the thought of HM Queen (or Charles) being bullied into making a Knight of Tony Blair, and a consort of other warmongers, in most recent episode of Britain’s battle against against seasonal flu

      On other hand, one upside of the shambles might be that if England tries to keep the covid scam going, but the London parties fail to demand answers to the same questions FM had no answer to last week – or if Blackford is not otherwise obliged to, ie because the knight nursery is deemed to have worked a charm and the fight is definitively over, then the premature fireworks elsewhere can be forgot and preparations for ref2/ a return to sanity could justifiably begin as early as mid January..

      ..and make for a great year after all (unforeseen complications of the desire to be a nation of men in skirts notwithstanding) 🙂

      Happy new year to all, and thanks for keeping the site ticking over regardless.

    130. Andy Ellis says:

      In case folk missed it in the midst of the Festive Season, and excellent piece from Sonia Sodha in the Grauniad recently, WRT the College of Policing’s guidance that the police should record all non-crime hate incidents, as perceived by those taking offence at them, is an unlawful incursion on citizens’ freedom of expression. Some interesting comments in the twitter exchanges too:

      https://twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1477575893996515329

      “There is no democracy without freedom of expression. That the police have unlawfully acted to shut down legitimate political debate in 21st-century Britain should remind us that, even in mature democracies, the most basic human rights should never be taken for granted.”

      The full judgement haded down on 20/12/21 is here:

      https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Miller-v-College-of-Policing-judgment-201221.pdf

    131. Republicofscotland says:

      Alex Salmond won’t be spilling the beans in a tell all book, and here’s why.

      “Salmond said: “The Murray case rather indicates why a book — a real book — wouldn’t be possible because it would be hemmed in by legal restrictions which would make it impossible to tell a story.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19820277.alex-salmond-drops-plans-tell-all-conspiracy-book%2F

    132. Republicofscotland says:

      The Speaker of House in the English parliament Lindsay Hoyle, has spoken out to defend the war criminal Tony Blair’s coming knighthood.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19820336.commons-speaker-defends-tony-blair-knighthood-backlash-grows%2F

    133. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/llbfk
      The Sun’s version of events:

      A spokesperson for Avant Garde said: “ Everyone was having a great night before police officers came into the bar claiming the latest COVID restrictions were being breached.

      “The officers were very hostile to the customers and began to remove their drinks from the tables.

      “Avant Garde music bar takes all precautions to ensure the safety of our customers. Our legal capacity is 306 persons however we only took 80 bookings to ensure people could bring in the new year safely.

      “All customers were informed of the measures including the requirement for table service drink orders.

      Pensioner among 125,000 Scots caught at illegal parties during lockdown
      “We are disappointed with the police response and which closed the bar 10 minutes before the new year.”

    134. Ruby says:

      I shouldn’t have included
      “Pensioner among 125,000 Scots caught at illegal parties during lockdown’

      in the previous post.
      that had nothing to do with the incident at the ‘Avant Garde’ pub it was a link to another article.

    135. Hatuey says:

      Andy, it’s for Alba and people like Salmond, Craig Murray, Sheridan, Cherry, Macaskill, to work out how to get the freight train moving again. I believe in them. They’re the best political minds in Scotland.

      It seems though that you are guilty of understating the importance of the thing you accuse me of overstating; the role of ordinary people and the grassroots. Politics without people is an absurdity — much more absurd than football without fans.

      We need less emphasis on formal political structures, polls, and elections, and more emphasis on the freight train which is the people. The good news, as demonstrated in 2014 and 2015: if you engage the people, you win on both fronts.

      Scotland could achieve independence this year. That’s why Salmond and Alba scares the life out of the British establishment. They didn’t de-platform Alba at the behest of Sturgeon, although it undoubtedly suited her, they de-platformed Alba because the freight train scares the life out of them, just as it scared the life out of them in 2014, when they had to resort to project fear and “the vow” to derail it.

    136. Republicofscotland says:

      “Files released today by the National Records of Scotland show the Labour-Liberal Democrat Executive of 2006 reclassified material with the explicit aim of thwarting FoI requests.”

      “The move involved classifying background factual information as advice to ministers, as such advice is exempt from release under FoI law, subject to a public interest test.”

      “The initiative was led by Labour’s minister for parliament Margaret Curran and finance minister Tom McCabe.”

      You can bet that Sturgeon has used this trick when it comes FoI’s.

    137. Republicofscotland says:

      The Rev’s £5K bet is as safe as houses no one will touch it.

      “Alex Neil, who served in her (Sturgeon) Cabinet, made it clear that there was “no sign of any necessary” work being done. It’s not just the preparatory work that’s not been done but the basic essentials. By this time ahead of the 2014 referendum, the Edinburgh Agreement had been signed and a date was soon to be announced.”

      “This time there’s no agreement and the legislation hasn’t even been laid. Even when it is dutifully rolled out to the exuberant applause of her docile MSPs, it means absolutely nothing. She’s already agreed that it requires Westminster consent, and the legal position of the Supreme Court’s pretty well set.”

    138. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 3.39 pm

      “Scotland could achieve independence this year.”

      How? I’m not interested in fond imaginings and what *might* happen.

      What is it you think could or should happen for Scotland – by which presumably you mean the “ordinary people” – to move from our current situation to reading out the declaration of independence on the front steps of Bute House within 12 months?

      I agree we have some impressive political minds, but they’re people not magicians.

    139. DJ says:

      Hatuey

      “We need less emphasis on formal political structures, polls, and elections, and more emphasis on the freight train…”

      Agree 100%. We need to up the march numbers and the noise to let the powers that be know in no uncertain terms we ain’t going away. We will NOT bow down and disappear quietly. No chance!!

    140. Ruby says:

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fpolitics%2F19820397.snp-alba-politicians-row-normalising-paedophiles%2F

      Is this type of row good or bad?

      The SNP MSP said:
      “Paedophiles and predators are people. Not bogey men under the bed.”

      Very unfortunate choice of words particularly at a time where people are asking about the ‘Sex Survey’ and if the reason for it it is to justify lowering the age of consent to 14 years.

      She goes on to say

      “Not Mac wearing flashers in the street, faceless and nameless.”

      Flasher are paedophiles and predators & even worse as was seen in the case of Wayne Couzens.

      She seems to be dismissing flashing as unimportant.

      This MSP has expressed herself really badly.

      She says to Chris

      ‘You know fine well what I mean.’

      TBH it’s difficult to figure out what she means!

    141. PacMan says:

      The Avant Garde pub thing sounds like nonsense in all ways.

      Firstly, it was obvious as soon as you saw him sauntering about the place, poking his nose into everybody’s business that the baldy auld Ned was going to be lifted. It takes two to de-escalate a situation and he couldn’t keep himself from running his mouth off so they did the right thing.

      The question is why didn’t a city centre boozer not have door staff on one of the busiest times of the year despite the restrictions to deal with this situation?

      What’s more baffling is why is the Polis doing the job of bar staff? As others have said, having them in this sort of situation is incendiary and is not part of their role.

      I wonder if it is part of this behavioural science nonsense that is being used as part of pandemic handling. In a classroom, it makes sense that having people out late is going to help spread the virus but in the real world, that pub was full of middle aged and elderly people with grown up children and therefore they are at a lower risk of being super-spreaders than say a young couple with school age kids out for an occasional night out.

      As I said in a previous topic advisers advise, ministers decide. The so called professionals need to be kept back a bit and people who have to implement the decisions on the ground like the Polis need to be given a bigger voice so there can be a bit of common sense rather than craziness like this.

    142. Ruby says:

      According to the Sun:

      “Officers carried out a routine visit at a licensed premises on King Street, Glasgow around 11.30pm on Friday 31 December 21.”

      If this is true then they weren’t called to sort out a situation.

      It looks as if they may have created the situation.

      Why the need for so many officers & six police vans to carry out a routine
      visit.

      Why were they marching around the pub like the Gestapo?

      https://tinyurl.com/387t56tx

      More info needed!

    143. twathater says:

      @ Pacman 5.33pm It may have been a nonsense pacman but how many polis does it take to clear out a pub ,some publications are quoting around 50 officers , in the photos there appears to be at least 2 crew buses and a couple of cars , it appears there are no other crimes being committed throughout Glasgow, either that or we have a massive police force when 1 incident can command 50 officers and assorted cars and buses

      The attitude of some of the officers especially 1 female and 1 male appeared to be deliberately aggressive and very challenging unlike the officer who was faced with the as you call him “the baldy auld ned” who appeared calm until BAN pushed him , the female cop was of the big balls variety who was out to prove she was the polis and could do what she wanted , she was just iching to throw her weight about and TBQH it showed

    144. Hatuey says:

      Andy: “What is it you think could or should happen for Scotland – by which presumably you mean the “ordinary people” – to move from our current situation to reading out the declaration of independence on the front steps of Bute House within 12 months?”

      I’ve already said it’s for people like Salmond to work that out. All I know is that there’s majority support for independence, and significantly more latent support than there was on 2014. We can expect that support to rise in the months ahead along with energy and food bills.

      I sense that you’re poised to shoot everything down that doesn’t involve going though the formal constitutional structures and processes and that’s fair enough. There’s two things you need to accept though, unless you want to be labelled a moon-howling reality denier;

      1) the formal constitutional structures and processes aren’t working and possibly aren’t able to facilitate their own destruction which is what independence would amount to. The SNP has achieved 6 mandates since 2015, yet the formal constitutional system has provided no referenda.

      2) historically it’s really abnormal for a country in our sort of situation to find a constitutional route to independence. I’m happy to discuss more normal routes, but the route you are advocating which doesn’t work (based on 1 above) is, as a matter of record, extremely unusual.

      As for more normal routes, once Alba has engaged and mobilised the independence movement, and I don’t think it would be long before the SNP was forced to play a supportive part, anything becomes possible.

      Have you ever stood in front of a freight train as it speeds towards you? Ever tried arguing with one?

      It wouldn’t be unusual once majority support has been established and mobilised to call a general strike and force the issue. That’s one common approach, historically speaking. If you got to that sort of situation, the debate and power dynamics would change dramatically and British diplomats would be keen to show you how very reasonable they can be.

      Once freight trains like that get moving, it’s hard to stop them. It’s odd that I need to explain that and the power of democracy to someone so seemingly enthusiastic about democratic process.

    145. wee monkey says:

      Rubes

      No body cams either btw.

      So it’s your word against 6, amazing that some on here can’t see what is being done in plain sight.

      They seem to have forgotten Policing by Consent and it’s not a new trend either..Just remember, do not to make eye contact and act TIMID.

    146. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The lady wearing the leopard-print dress is filming the kerfuffle on the floor. One of the policewomen makes a grab for her phone, then gets up and grabs her arm and swears at her, uttering something like “*uckin’ phone”, before getting her on the floor.
      As someone above commented, she seemed to be over-aggressive for the situation occurring.

    147. robbo says:

      Got an issue with my Alba payment this month. I saw it go out on 1st and now zero, not even in my direct debits going out- it’s gone . Got email from Alba today sayin payment failed and to look at it.

      Does anyone else have issues?

    148. Hatuey says:

      Blair’s knighthood, on the face of it, was an odd decision by a Royal family going through a major crisis. Maybe we have it all wrong and upside down.

      If Blair comes out batting for Prince Andrew in the next few weeks, things will definitely start to make more sense. And, of course, the knighthood won’t be rescinded.

      Everything’s connected.

    149. Morgatron says:

      Hi Robbo @ 8.00pm. I had the same email.
      Don’t know the reason why but strange. Set up on the same bank details. Will call bank when they open on Tuesday.

    150. Effigy says:

      300,000 sign change.org petition to stop Tory Blair Knighthood.

    151. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @PacMan (5.33) –

      ‘The bauldy auld ned…’

      You know nothing about that man.

      He’s perfectly presentable, isn’t abusive, and never raises his hands. Probably because he’s perfectly aware of what’s going on.

      How fucking *dare* you call him a ‘ned’, or anything else for that matter.

      Do you even know what ‘ned’ means?

      ‘Non-educated delinquent’.

      Shame on you.

    152. Effigy says:

      That potion is on fire!
      New signatures every 3 seconds so 500,000
      an easy number to hit.

      Will those listening Tories or Royals give a damn if
      if it reaches 1,000,000?

      No, it’s only Plebs after all .

    153. robbo says:

      Morgatron says:
      2 January, 2022 at 10:58 pm
      Hi Robbo @ 8.00pm. I had the same email.
      Don’t know the reason why but strange. Set up on the same bank details. Will call bank when they open on Tuesday.

      ——-

      Yes well strange. Mine dropped totally from my d/d list- nowhere to be seen. Not canceled, nowt, nada.

      Anyhow, updated mine and increased amount!

    154. Robert Hughes says:

      Ian B @ 11.40

      I clocked that remark too : nothing like a wee bit of gratuitous stereotyping to reinforce a prejudice eh ?

      That whole polis * operation * was ridiculously OTT , the arrests the result of bad handling by them , if they had let the guy get his coat it needn’t have escalated as it did , looked to me they were pissed-off because the guy was not being suitably deferential

      Bear in mind this is the same Police Force in the process of accepting the lunacy of Self-ID , the implications of which will inevitably make a complete mockery of judicial procedure and previously accepted standards of justice .

      Robbo . I had the same thing happen : my monthly ALBA DD refused for no apparent reason . Frustratingly , when I replied to the message from ALBA informing me of this telling them I had no idea why this had happened I received no answer back , and only the issue being raised here has reminded me to try again .

    155. Republicofscotland says:

      A excellent article by George Kerevan, on why the war criminal Tony Blair got his ennoblement, and why the honours system helps create gatekeepers.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F19820723.real-reasons-blair-rewarded-gong%2F

    156. Dorothy Devine says:

      IanB, I agree , he was perfectly polite and wanted his jacket. What I saw was an oaf of a policeman trying to provoke.

      Happy New Year my lovely and I hope that we meet again some sunny day!

    157. stuart mctavish says:

      @Robert Hughes

      On bright side, for all that buy into the scam (including those that may have been bought into it), dragging a man outside in only a t-shirt during a pandemic serious enough to cancel Hogmanay must constitute attempted murder – and in any event a considerably more serious offence than fondling knees, ruffling hair, or joking abut the manner in which any other great dog might give a paw

      Accordingly when the police union is obliged to defend the offending officers, not on the basis that they believe any of the nonsense (they clearly didn’t otherwise the woman removing peoples drinks would surely have stepped in on the behalf of the lady and gentleman being assaulted and dragged out into the midwinter cold) but on the basis that they are occasionally obliged to follow corrupt, incompetent or even insane orders simply to keep their jobs, the narrative of covid fascism for the greater good must fail and another excuse to delay ref2/ nationwide non compliance will be removed.

    158. Robert Hughes says:

      Stuart @ 10.58

      Indeed .

    159. Robert Graham says:

      While you were sleeping or being suitably distracted .

      IDVT Digital Identity document validation is being introduced in April the 6th .

      IDVT the right to work. the right to rent , soon to be expanded to the right to Travel and buy food ! .

      This infrastructure is not temporary your compliance to serve the greater good is being used to secure this straight jacket you are willingly allowing to be tightened round your throats.

      Stalin murdered millions of Russians with the assistance of western media they were complicit by keeping quiet , history is repeating itself the ones involved haven’t disappeared their mistakes have been passed on to their children to make them more effective and efficient this time,

      All that’s required is a stupid public and by the looks of it there is a plentiful supply , just keep saying it’s all for the greater good just one more little right removed and we can return to normal .

      This Pantomime without the laughs is never going to end if people keep doing what these lunatics want every avenue to voice concerns is being closed down exactly the same way as Staln did it , and people haven’t learned from history,you can’t comply your way out this it just gets worse.

    160. Effigy says:

      The Stop Blair the Multi Millionaire War Criminal’s Knighthood petition
      has already reached 400,000 signatures.
      All the U.K. media outlets reported the petition but none willing to show you the link to join in

      Weasels of Mass Money Production have been found!

      https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-minister-tony-blair-to-have-his-knight-companion-of-the-most-noble-order-of-the-garter-rescinded

    161. wee monkey says:

      Robert Graham says:
      3 January, 2022 at 12:06 pm
      While you were sleeping or being suitably distracted .

      “IDVT Digital Identity document validation is being introduced in April the 6th .

      IDVT the right to work. the right to rent , soon to be expanded to the right to Travel and buy food ! “.

      Is that right.

      Try applying for a 60+ Bus pass in Scoatland, you WILL be directed to

      https://getyournec.scot/nec/?opt=Apply-for-Card

      which after numerous full pages of text says

      Go here —> https://www.yoti.com/

      whose banner headline is

      Digital identity as a force for good.!

      Same for all those Young Scots >/b> cards too.

      So basically for YS, Bus pass, National Concession cards etc etc

      Your [not mine] Scot Guv have been quietly imposing Digital Identity for quite some time….

      Of course if you have nothing to hide…..

    162. wee monkey says:

      ” If nothing else, I’d be tempted to target particular SNP seats to ensure the particularly egregious devolutionists lose.”

      Hmmm sounds like a plan and in an APT thread [whatever] too!!

    163. Effigy says:

      A must watch terrifying documentary

      https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/

    164. Republicofscotland says:

      Pete the Prick Wishart giving it to Chris McEleny, Pete should look towards his own party and ask why his boss Sturgeon is asking children a series of outlandish questions on sexual behaviour in their questionnaire.

      Or why his party/boss wants to allow men to identify as women and allow predators into women and girls safe spaces.

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/1477659790704877571

    165. Hatuey says:

      I’m struggling to see how efficiently validating someone’s identity for the purposes of providing them with a bus pass has any connection with the slaughter of millions attributable to Stalin.

      Maybe it’s one of those slippery slopes and I am too thick to join the dots.

      Curiously, the people I know who have bus passes are to the left of the political spectrum, and none of them own farms or anything.

      Every day’s a school day…

    166. Republicofscotland says:

      Meanwhile Pishy Pete promotes the English honours system, like the rat he is, comments below don’t agree with Pishy Pete.

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/1477240480379383810

    167. Hatuey says:

      Effigy says:
      3 January, 2022 at 1:58 pm
      “A must watch terrifying documentary“

      I counted at least 10 videos on the page you provided a link to. They cover a range of topics.

      Are they all “terrifying” or is there one in particular you’d recommend to those of us who desire to be terrified?

    168. Effigy says:

      Monopoly Who Owns The World.

      In essence it shows it’s the same mega rich people
      hiding behind a handful of Investment funds who own
      pretty much everything that you use.

      Banks, Food, Drink, Energy, Drug Companies, software, Education,
      the Media across the board including social media and everything else that their is.

      They own PepsiCo and Coka Cola so is there competition.

      It shows media across the globe using exactly the same words
      provided by the media reporting companies they own, then the world
      leaders all using the exact same words.

      They have people in post with the US Government who influence all policies
      who are not elected and who cannot be fired.

      You may already know it but 99% of wealth is owned by 1%.
      They want more so build it better will deliver the remainder of it.

    169. Grouse Beater says:

      I agree we have some impressive political minds, but they’re people not magicians. Ellis 3.39pm 2 Jan.

      From the waffler who said he’d had enough of this site and those in it, and was leaving the debate for good. Can’t quite kick the habit. Still here, still waffling, still passive-aggressive; praise and demote in one sentence. A member of ALBA not a member.

    170. Republicofscotland says:

      Oops, a fly in the ointment.

      “TONY Blair looks set to keep his knighthood despite a massive public outcry – as no-one in the UK seems to know how to take it off him.”

      “The news comes as a petition to have the former Labour prime minister stripped of his New Year honour has passed 400,000 signatures.”

      “However, the petition is being run on the website change.org. If it had accrued even one-quarter of that number of signatures on the UK Parliament’s website, the Government would respond and consider it for a debate in the Commons.”

      “A stumbling block may have appeared through that channel though, as the Government site’s rules make clear that although “petitions which reach 100,000 signatures are almost always debated”, they “must be about something that the Government or the House of Commons is directly responsible for”.”

    171. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/EKQMe

      Some new info about the ‘Avant Garde’ pub

      ‘Officers carrying out a ‘routine’ visit at the Avant Garde bar on King Street told revellers to leave after the licence holder refused to give them licence documentation.’

      Would the police not have access to info re licence?
      Would there not be official records regarding who does or doesn’t have a licence?
      If not would a person not be given time to produce the licence?

      Was the bar closed because he didn’t have a licence or because he didn’t produce the licence?

      If the bar didn’t have a licence then who would make the decision to close the bar down at 11.30 on Hogmanay punishing all the innocent customers? Would the police be so stupid as to think this would all go smoothly half an hour before the bells and people would be happy to have their drinks confiscated and chucked out the bar?

      Would the sensible decision not have been to say the bar will close in an hour lets wait until then in order to save police resources and not punish innocent people?

      The article also states
      “No arrests were made in relation to covid guidelines.

      The other question that could be asked is if this was a ‘racist’ incident.

      More info needed!

    172. Republicofscotland says:

      Ex-PM John Major’s auld bird Edwina “Eggs” Curry thinks that one great benefit of Brexit is giving Two Fingers to Brussels-Curry added that another benefit of Brexit is freedom.

      Both of Curry’s remarks apply to Scottish independence as well.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19821508.edwina-currie-fabulous-brexit-freedom-lets-us-give-two-fingers-brussels%2F

    173. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/7Qjdg

      “Previously, Alex Salmond said if the inquiry found Blair had made a secret commitment to the government of the United States of America to support the war then he should be taken to the International Criminal Court.”

      It will be interesting see what the ‘Cozy Slippers’ do!

      Has Sturgeon made any comment?

      https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EA39/production/_106216995_selfie.jpg

      Any selfies with Tony?

    174. Republicofscotland says:

      As the heads of a Scottish Drugs Deaths taskforce quit over the Scottish government not being active enough to help prevent the deaths of drug addicted Scots a freedom of information request revealed that the FM has not met any of 31 local alcohol and drug partnerships.- it turns out that after Sturgeon’s poverty safari in a rundown area in Glasgow, which was just a photo-op, nothing significant has been done to stem deaths from drugs in Scotland.

      A record 1,339 Scots died from drugs abuse in 2020, and 772 Scots have died from drugs abuse in the first half of 2021, even London’s puppet in Scotland Douglas Ross finds the inaction unacceptable.

      Its a sad day for Scots when Tory MSP Stephen Kerr, cares more about the lives of drug addicted Scots than our “Supposedly” independence minded FM Sturgeon, in reality she doesn’t give a monkeys about drug addicted Scots never mind Scottish independence.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thescottishsun.co.uk%2Fnews%2F8227396%2Fnicola-sturgeon-drug-death-crisis-scotland%2F

    175. Effigy says:

      Tories Kerr and Dross don’t give a damn about Scots or Scotland
      They only raise the matter as SNP bad vote for total Tory England Control.

      God knows there is much SNP should be doing but never could I contemplate a Tory Scotland

    176. dandydons1903 says:

      I am afraid to say that gravy train Pete like Sturgeon and all her cronies is no friend of Scotland or its rightful independence. Sad but true.

    177. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi dandydons1903.
      A cue for a song. if ever there was one…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8MO7fkZc5o

    178. Benhope says:

      What about Iona Fyfe and The Northern Lights !!

    179. Benhope says:

      Scot, Peter Wright has just won the darts World Championship and £500k by beating Englishman Michael Smith.
      Commentator Wayne Mardle not too happy !!!

    180. Effigy says:

      Kerr and Dross don’t give a damn about Scotland.
      It only Holyrood bad come be an English Colony.

      Petition against Tony Blair knighthood at 520,000
      and growing rapidly.

      Could be 1,000,000 plus recognising the man as a corrupt fraud.
      Might auger well in stopping Klunker Brown trying to Lord it over us?

    181. Robert Graham says:

      Hatman

      GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE

      The RAND Corporation USA ran courses advising government agencies on how to disrupt and influence any and all organisations deemed hostile to them .

      Aye every days a school day mother fucker

    182. Edinburgh Council doing a consultation on Edinburgh`s connection with slavery and colonialism,

      takes a bit of time but worth doing if you are a citizen of Edinburgh,

      tinyurl.com/wfewufkv

      they seem to have a big downer (wrongly in my opinion) on Henry Dundas but most of it i think makes you appreciate that The Great Brutish Empire was a world wide abomination.

    183. Hatuey says:

      “William Robertson Professor of History at the University of Edinburgh, accurately summed up the debate among serious scholars of the slave trade about whether or not Dundas was an abolitionist by stating emphatically that there is no such debate. No scholar who is really committed to this subject thinks Dundas was an abolitionist. The weight of the evidence – that Dundas was a man dedicated to a vision of empire built on the mass enslavement of Black people and the mass slaughter of Indigenous Americans – is overwhelming.”

      Again; “dedicated to a vision of empire built on the mass enslavement of Black people and the mass slaughter of Indigenous Americans…”

      https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/henry-dundas-empire-and-genocide/

    184. Gordon Currie says:

      Sturgeon’s worst nightmare is coming true – calls to repeal Covid restrictions in light of the fact that there’s only 1 omicron case in ICU despite the record number of new cases.

      Futhermore, the SG has refused to provide breakdown of how many were admitted primarily because they were ill with the virus, and how many tested positive after being admitted for other reasons.

      I wonder what peg she’ll hang her current can to be kicked, “now is not the time for a referendum”, on now.

    185. @Hatuey,

      the abolition of slavery bill was going be rejected but Dundas brought in a delay clause that managed to push those on the fence to put through the bill,

      he is to be congratulated not admonished,

      but Scotland`s white woke virtue signalers need a statue to bring down,like they needed a victim (AS) during the `me too` phase of virtue signaling,

      and demonising of Johanna Cherry during the `transcult`phase of white privilaged faux caring.

    186. wee monkey says:

      “I wonder what peg she’ll hang her current can to be kicked, “now is not the time for a referendum”, on now.”

      I think the important part is convincing the majority of people to vote YES, rather than getting all excited about about a “ref”.

      Once you have done that things will naturally fall into line.

      Unless SNP and cambridge analytica are in cahoots again…

    187. Andy Ellis says:

      @Grouse Beater 3.29 pm 03/01

      To be honest Gareth, I find myself agreeing with Rev Stu’s comment on Gettr in response to someone pointing out one of your unpleasant little gems.

      It’s a wonder Stu used to tolerate you fluffing your own efforts on here, but much like me he’s now seeing you for the kind of unpleasant individual you really are. What a sad decline.

      “Your guess is correct. We’re basically tied with Wee Ginger Dug now, having been closed for eight months ?, and miles ahead of everyone else. But wow, just looked. What a snarky prick.”

      https://www.gettr.com/comment/cfgb2u97f6

    188. Grouse Beater says:

      “It’s a wonder Stu used to tolerate you fluffing your own efforts” Ellis 3.29pm

      Still calling on daddy Stuart to hold your hand, Ellis?

      The act of analysing, the need to discern possibilities, to give warnings and seek out solutions is the very lifeblood of hope.

      Shame on you for preferring people reflect your pig ignorance, your arrogance, and copy how you belittle dissent and dismiss curiousity. You’re a fraud.

      And you know what you can do with your police baton.

    189. twathater says:

      WOW Gareth someone definitely has taken umbrage at you and us calling him out for the unionist he is with his fake indy credentials and his return to Scotland in 2018 to tell us how great and progressive the rest of the world is and how Scotland is full of nativist moon howlers , what a tube

    190. Alf Baird says:

      Scot Finlayson @ 12:08 pm

      “Edinburgh Council doing a consultation on Edinburgh`s connection with slavery and colonialism”

      Scotland’s governing institutions mostly remain ignorant of what colonialism means in the wider sense and its effect on Scotland and our own enslaved people, many of whom were treated little differently to the Maroons of Jamaica and other colonised peoples also handed a worthless Treaty by the oppressors. The name ‘Cumberland Street’ is just one of many visible reminders of Scotland’s colonial cultural heritage legacy, the Duke of Sutherland statue another. Lets also remember that colonialism is always a cooperative venture in which native elites conspire, and still do to ensure Scotland and the Scots remain doun-hauden.

      https://www.facebook.com/YesHaddington/videos/1059504741259620

      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/07/18/determinants-of-independence-colonialism/

    191. Andy Ellis says:

      @Grouse Beater 5.23 pm

      I don’t need anyone to hold my hand Gareth, just amplifying that more and more people are seeing you for the nasty piece of work you really are. You’re fast to make allegations, and slow to back them up. It’s hardly the behaviour you’d expect of a fellow party member.

      I doubt they think it’s a great look for someone to be using the kind of language you do against others in the party, but I’ve asked them just in case…..

    192. John Main says:

      @Hatuey – 4 January, 2022 at 12:41 pm

      I have just checked for you Hatuey; Henry Dundas is deid and has been deid for 211 years.

      As a first approximation, I think we can safely say that anybody he enslaved has also been deid for around two centuries.

      I think there are some special words to describe people who like to follow the current fashion for virtue-signalling their living outrage at bad things that were done by bad people who are long deid to other people who are also long deid.

      But I won’t use them, relying instead on the more long-winded ‘time-waster’, ‘diversionary shit-stirrer’, ‘hijacker’ and ‘usurper of established political movements’.

      Still, as always, happy to be proven wrong. Why don’t you publish a blueprint of a machine that will harness the energy released by statue toppling to heat the homes of some of the Scots in fuel poverty?

      Come up with something useful and relevant to the majority of citizens in today’s Scotland. Who knows, there could be pro-Indy votes just waiting on evidence of sanity breaking out.

    193. Ruby says:

      There is a poster on this forum who gets right up my nose and it seems there are others who feel the same about him.

    194. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 7.43pm

      For once you got something right Rubes! Gareth gets up all reasonable folks noses, even Stu’s it seems, and yet he still keeps posting and complaining that Stu hasn’t gone yet while trying to piggy back on Stu’s popularity and greater readership….even when Stu’s site is winding down. Bit of the green eyed monster there I reckon…?

    195. PacMan says:

      I see there are a few comments to my Avant Garde post. One had valid points, the other less so. I decided to leave it for while, watch the videos again and reply back.

      Whether you agree with the Police actions or not, you just don’t get involved with them when they are going about that business if it doesn’t directly concern you. Both individuals who had been arrested had did this.

      Beforehand they said their piece and could have left it at that but they continued afterwards where the male was aggressive and confrontational to the point that the officer put his hand on his baton which I assume is an operational procedure when an officer feels he or she is in a situation where they will be assaulted.

      If anybody thinks that is acceptable or justified behaviour of those individuals who were arrested in that situation then I will just have to agree to disagree with them.

      I get it that it was an over reaction by the police and could have been handled better. However, from what I’ve read the police intervention was due to reports of people dancing and going to the bar.

      I know these restrictions are stupid but people who attended that gathering knew full well what the restrictions were and nobody forced them to go.

      Lets not be naive, there will be pubs up and down the country that weren’t following the restrictions and letting people do what they want. If that is what they wanted, they should have stayed in a local and had a better time rather than going into the city centre where they’ll be a guaranteed police presence to enforce these restrictions.

      I can imagine this will receive further replies. Feel free but I won’t have any further involvement with it or with Covid again. The whole conversation on here about it is getting surreal at times and frankly I’m not wasting any more time on it.

    196. Ruby says:

      There is a poster on this forum who gets right up my nose and he ain’t called Gareth.

    197. McDuff says:

      Happy New Year Rev.
      Your money is safe.

    198. Breastplate says:

      Pacman,
      “Whether you agree with the police actions or not” (I don’t) it is not only a poor distribution of police resources, it’s a bizarre distribution of police resources, it’s a heavy handed approach to Joe and Joan Public that they seem to revel in more and more nowadays.

      So I’m not surprised you don’t want to engage with people who have a different opinion as your opinion needs a lot of imagination, elastic bands, paper clips and a massive gullibility upgrade.

      The simpler explanation is that the police were, yet again, abusing their authority and revelling in it.
      It’s absolutely nothing new and absolutely nothing to defend.

      Of course, you may not see it that way but that is entirely up to you.

    199. Hatuey says:

      Okay. Where to start?

      Let’s do the tedious stuff first.

      John Main, I didn’t mention statues. I actually didn’t even express an opinion on Dundas. I simply quoted someone who I know to be an expert on the subject. You should try it some time.

      And that’s a recurring theme in here… I’m sorry to have to tell you folks that there are real experts out there. Their expertise derives from reading books, thousands of them over years, and I’m afraid a couple of YouTube videos does not make you their equal.

      Now, I’m puzzled by all this friction that’s being created between leading thinkers of the indy movement. Don’t we have enough fucking enemies?

      It’s great to see Wings getting involved in things again. That’s the big news today. This Gettr thing is just what we need.

      I still have a very good feeling about 2022.

    200. Breastplate says:

      Hatuey,
      I believe that past wrongdoings or wrong-think can be acknowledged without resorting to orchestrated vandalism.
      I’m pretty sure we can find something something unsavoury or not politically correct about the subject of most statues.
      Where do we start?
      Or where do we stop? Augustus of Prima Porta, Chichen Itza or perhaps the Great Pyramid of Giza?

      We must be careful to look where our chosen path leads us and remember that it is a choice.

    201. Hatuey says:

      Scot Finlayson “he is to be congratulated not admonished”

      There isn’t much room between bizarre and unhinged, but your response found it.

      It takes a certain type of crackpot to try and justify the massacres of a British Imperialist over 200 years ago on the basis of reservations you have with woke types today.

      This isn’t a political discussion any more. It isn’t a discussion about history or statues. It isn’t a discussion about changing attitudes to slavery or values…

      It’s a discussion about mental health.

    202. Clavie Cheil says:

      Does anybody believe that the spineless back biting Tranny Nazis or Sturgeons coven have the stomach or the baws to hold a referendum ever? I dont!!

    203. Hatuey says:

      Breastplate, I haven’t commented on statues. I’m glad to hear you aren’t very keen on vandalising them but I wonder how you’d feel if there was a Jimmy Saville statue next to your house. How about Adolf? Would you condemn people that vandalised those statues?

      Maybe people would be incentivised to behave better if they knew their statues might be vandalised and pulled down by future generations. I’ve never really thought about that but I do often wonder what future generations will make of the stupidity people exhibit today.

      It isn’t revisionist to condemn slavery and massacres today. These things were condemned by many at the time.

      Try looking at things occasionally from the perspective of the massacred, the bombed, the shot, the enslaved, the starved, the racially abused, etc. Trust me, it’ll make you a better person.

    204. John Main says:

      @Hatuey – 5 January, 2022 at 12:35 am

      “It isn’t revisionist to condemn slavery and massacres today.”

      So when do you intend to start, Hatuey? Plenty of modern slavery around, even within our own cities. As for the rest of the world, estimates of 40 million people in conditions of slavery TODAY are easy enough to find online.

      Hardly a day goes by without a massacre somewhere in the world, although many of them go unreported in the MSM because frankly, people are more interested in celebrity and trivia.

      But my point was and continues to be, focus on historic injustices whilst turning a blind eye to current injustices is a position pushed by those acting in bad faith, and adopted by their hard-of-thinking dupes.

      It is a nonsense, an irrelevance and a sideshow. Its purpose is to deflect politically active people from useful activity and keep them mired in unproductive time wasting.

      You being so smart and all Hatuey, you should be able to see this.

    205. Breastplate says:

      Hatuey,
      I think you have completely missed the point I have made.
      Where does it stop? When do we say that’s enough?

      The trajectory of this thinking is incredibly dangerous, changing that trajectory demands different thinking, a different mindset, a different set of beliefs.

      You mention Jimmy Saville and Hitler, what about all those in between? What about those complicit with their deeds?
      Where the fuck does it stop?
      You can’t answer that because you don’t know, nobody does.

    206. Mark Harper says:

      Looks like an indyref is gonna happem after all! The DevoMax superduper on stilts!

    207. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/x4Bxh

      ‘Why Black Lives Matter are so dangerous’

      I tried to find the article Nick Buckley wrote about BLM without success.

      I’m wondering if there is any connection between the destruction of statues & the BLM organisation.

    208. Hatuey says:

      Breastplate: “The trajectory of this thinking is incredibly dangerous”

      No it isn’t. You repeatedly ask when it will stop, the answer is never. Why would you want justice to stop? Maybe on some abstract theoretical level it’ll stop when injustice stops or when we run out of statues.

      John Main: “focus on historic injustices whilst turning a blind eye to current injustices is a position pushed by those acting in bad faith, and adopted by their hard-of-thinking dupes.”

      That’s a bit simplistic. If you take a real pressing example like British nationalism which often manifests in racism and other ugly stuff, it’s quite difficult to meaningfully distinguish between the abuses of the past and what goes on today.

      You simply couldn’t confront the vile tendencies of right wing British nationalists today without confronting the history of British imperialism, the historical figures involved, and the crimes and injustices of the past.

      That’s a recurring theme in history and in the minds of historians — the more you learn about the past, the more difficult it is to meaningfully distinguish between the past and the present. Everything’s connected and inseparable. The past is all we have;

      “This is how one pictures the angel of history. His face is turned toward the past. Where we perceive a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe that keeps piling ruin upon ruin and hurls it in front of his feet. The angel would like to stay, awaken the dead, and make whole what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such violence that the angel can no longer close them. The storm irresistibly propels him into the future to which his back is turned, while the pile of debris before him grows skyward. This storm is what we call progress…”

    209. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/Is9p0

      “Gay men are as misogynistic as straight men, if not more so,” Rose McGowan says.”

      I began to wonder about this when I noticed there were a lot of gay men opposing women’s rights the main one being David Paisley.

      ‘misogynistic straight man’ it’s a weird term being that straight men are supposed to be attracted to women. Could it be the ‘misogynistic straight man’ is actually gay?

    210. Ruby says:

      “I wonder how you’d feel if there was a Jimmy Saville statue next to your house. How about Adolf? Would you condemn people that vandalised those statues?”

      What about paintings?

      Might be a portrait of Saville in the National Gallery London and one of Hitler in the Imperial War Museum?

      Would you condemn people for vandalising paintings?

    211. Ruby says:

      https://www.nationalgalleries.org/art-and-artists/103918/henry-dundas-1st-viscount-melville-1742-1811-statesman

      Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville, 1742 – 1811. Statesman
      National Gallery of Scotland

    212. John Main says:

      @Hatuey 0 5 January, 2022 at 11:06 am

      “it’s quite difficult to meaningfully distinguish between the abuses of the past and what goes on today”

      But it’s nae. Let me help.

      Abuses Of The Past:

      Perpetrators deid. Victims deid. Acres of apologies, gallons of tears, billions of dollars, will bring none of them back to life. They have all gone beyond justice, retribution and restitution.

      Abuses Of The Present:

      Perpetrators around to be apprehended, tried and sentenced. Victims around to be identified, helped and compensated. Passive lookers-on around to be educated and sensitised to speak up, inform and stop it happening.

      It takes guts and graft though, which is why most virtue-signallers prefer to keep their nebs very much in their history books. Easy to broadcast your faux outrage over the events of hundreds of years ago. The baddies are all safely deid, so no risk of them beating you up or hitting you with a writ.

      But there you go Hatuey. I’ve sorted it for you so that you can meaningfully distinguish between past and present from now on.

    213. Ruby says:

      ‘Now, I’m puzzled by all this friction that’s being created between leading thinkers of the indy movement.’

      Puzzled? YCBS!

      Why would anyone want everyone to think alike? That is very weird.

      All these differences are a healthy sign it’s just be a foretaste of what will happen in an iScotland. All these different groups will form different political parties which is a very good thing unless you are a supporter of fascism.

      If you want less friction perhaps you should stop calling people names!

    214. @Hatuey,

      my point is,

      in their rush to be seen as `concerned` about BLM the Scottish virtue signalers needed to show solidarity,

      so they quickly found a person with a statue to condemn,

      my opinion is that Henry Dundas instead of being for slavery he made sure the abolition of slavery won,

      if there was a statue of some pro slavery person i woiuld agree that it should be removed,

      maybe Henry Dundas was a c@nt , i don`t really know i can only look at what is written and make a judgment that maybe what he did was not to delay abolition for delays sake but to ensure it passed,

      `Professor Brian Young, a historian at the University of Oxford,

      notes that in 1792, the motion for immediate cessation of the slave trade was heading for certain defeat. By inserting the word “gradual” into the motion, Young says Dundas ensured a successful vote for the ultimate abolition of the trade in slaves`

    215. James Che. says:

      Hello to all, We hope you all had a better start to you’re new year.

      Alf Baird.

      Perhaps you could help with this puzzle.

      LANGUAGE———WHERE EXACTLY IS SCOTLAND?

      I was researching through past UK parliament bills, when I came across a statement made by a member of that parliament as follows.

      SCOT and LOT voters.

      when researched it lead me to another phrase.

      SCOT-FREE.

      So I researched that as well. And here is what I discovered

      Scotland
      Means low lying land, The word is originally in two parts, Scot—land.
      The first part Scot, comes from the term of old Anglo-Saxon times, meaning a payment that was levied, the amount was usually money equivalent to one penny called SCEAT.

      This payment was to cover the cost of establishing drainage, embankments for low lying land, maintenance of Town walls and defences.

      So the land that was to pay financial Levies came to be known as time went on as Sceat——land.

      In Norman times under the influence of french was a similar word—ESCOT,
      Apparently in old french the vowel changed and the term became SCOT.

      The second part of the word Scot—(land).
      ( LOT ) means a portion, A share, from that comes the word Allotment, a portion or share of land, hence also the term Lottery, and the word Lot.
      The word Land and Lot having the same meaning, A portion or share.

      So Scotland, ( Sceat-land ) in England was low lying land that had obligations to pay Levies locally.

      Scot and Lot voters Were those people in local areas that payed these levies
      However there was a percentage of people in England that did not pay these Levies but benefited tremendously, and a person whom did not pay these Levies were considered to have got of SCOT—FREE.

      A cognate Term exists in the UDAL LAW of Orkney and Shetland.= ( SKAT )

      But the high ground and land between Orkney, Shetland and England became known as Scotland isn’t that rather strange,
      How did that come about.
      History taught to us in schools, often state that it was due to the Irish influence of people known as Scots.
      However the origins of these words are from England,

      Right up to the 19th century Kent and Sussex low-lying farmland was still called Scotland.

    216. Hatuey says:

      Scot Finlayson: “in their rush to be seen as `concerned` about BLM the Scottish virtue signalers needed to show solidarity, so they quickly found a person with a statue to condemn”

      More crap. I can very easily prove that many in Scotland were critical of things like statues, street names, and Scotland’s role in the empire and the slave trade, well before BLM arrive on the scene.

      Isn’t it odd that we have supposedly indy-supporting people in here (on Wings ffs) effectively defending the British Empire and its butchers?

      Somehow some people have been programmed to think that BLM is a bigger threat to them than British nationalism which revels in things like imperialism and slavery, and which has done real measurable damage to your prospects — in terms of things like Brexit, bolstering the Union, stamping on Scottish Independence, etc.

      You’re a curious bunch.

    217. Hatuey says:

      “It takes guts and graft though, which is why most virtue-signallers prefer to keep their nebs very much in their history books.”

      It doesn’t take guts. I do it all the time and I don’t have guts.

      Actually, I’ve had a few exchanges on here with Andy Ellis over the continuing transgressions of the US and Britain in places like the Middle East — Ellis knows his stuff when it comes to International Relations and I’m usually glad to discuss these things with him (which, incidentally, we do without anyone resorting to personal abuse).

      It doesn’t take guts to research say the plight of the Palestinians. It doesn’t take guts to face the truth of situations like that.

      The most dominant and dangerous aspect of Western culture today, btw, as I see it, is this sort of rejectionism we see, evident here and everywhere, aimed at science and experts in almost every walk of life. That’s much more pernicious and sinister than anything I see from those that are being called woke, BLM, etc.

      I guess people like myself and Andy Ellis are supposed to help inoculate gullible idiots against these diseased ideas which pour from the orifices of America’s Alt-Right like bile, but you don’t make it easy for us.

    218. Scott says:

      Hatuey says:

      “Ellis knows his stuff when it comes to International Relations”

      That right, aye?

      Next time he’s round to get his tummy tickled, ask him how his predictions about Catalonia went.

    219. Hatuey says:

      Why don’t you tell me, Scott?

    220. James Che. says:

      See Gordon Ross indycar seemly taking a new stance from the old wait and see option,
      He now recognises that their is no reason to wait, especially if as he says, there are many from other countries suggesting that Scotland should just go for it.

      It is only the leaders of the SNP holding back.

    221. Andy Ellis says:

      @Scott 3.58 pm

      “Next time he’s round to get his tummy tickled, ask him how his predictions about Catalonia went.”

      What predictions were those Scott? It may have been a few years ago, but I can’t recall making any particular predictions…..or if I did and have forgotten doubtless you can tell us what was wrong since you’ve obviously got the information to hand?

    222. Ruby says:

      ‘I guess people like myself and Andy Ellis are supposed to help inoculate gullible idiots against these diseased ideas which pour from the orifices of America’s Alt-Right like bile, but you don’t make it easy for us.’

      This isn’t the ****** Open University and no one here has signed up for the ‘Hautey & Ellis Foundation Course in International Relations’ & ‘your dark sarcasm in the classroom’

      Are all teachers unable to do anything other than teach? They must be a total nightmare at a party.

      I’ve decided my job on here is to teach ‘Hautey & Ellis’ how not to be cunts!

      What happened to ‘Sensible Dave’? He was here like ‘Hautey & Ellis’ to point out the error of our ways. To tell us how stupid we were!

      Hey teachers this one is for you:
      https://tinyurl.com/yep4fwnf

    223. twathater says:

      Keep at it Ruby your encouragement may help them in the future to become better people (but I doubt it)

    224. twathater says:

      @ James Che 4.51pm I used to enjoy indy car Gordon he had many good ideas and was quite outspoken , but over a year ago he appeared to swallow the sturgeon play book and wouldn’t say a bad word against her, he was of the secret plan division , I think it is only the past couple of posts he has done on utube that he appears to be wakening up again , but i’m afraid indy truck Davy is past saving

      With indy car Gordon I think someone in the hierarchy of the snp had given him access to the ring to kiss because he started being very official in his deference to the sainted one , but maybe he wasn’t as quoted as he thought he was or maybe he is just slower on the uptake , he is an intelligent guy with good ideas but I just couldn’t suffer his sycophancy

    225. @Hatuey says,

      “I guess people like myself and Andy Ellis are supposed to help inoculate gullible idiots..”

      what a fricken fascist thing to say , you think people that disagree with your woke narcissistic virtue signaling drivel need `inoculated`

      and you have the effrontery to call others ` alt right wing`.

    226. Ruby says:

      ‘Keep at it Ruby your encouragement may help them in the future to become better people (but I doubt it)’

      It’s extra difficult ‘cos they actually want to be cunts for some strange reason. You could understand it with ‘Sensible Dave’ he was a ‘Unionist’

    227. Andy Ellis says:

      @twatbynametwatbynature 5.35 pm

      “Keep at it Ruby your encouragement may help them in the future to become better people (but I doubt it)”

      Being better than barely verbal abusive schemies like Ruby and yourself presents all the challenge of shooting fish in a barrel. Hatuey is of course correct: you still can’t educate pork. Ruby doesn’t even have the smarts to see the irony her whingeing about abuse while routinely calling folk cunts. What an ornament to the movement, eh?

      Hatuey @ 2.36 pm was right, they are a curious bunch, and tho’ he and I have our differences on a range of issues I’d also noticed the phenomenon he identified”

      “Isn’t it odd that we have supposedly indy-supporting people in here (on Wings ffs) effectively defending the British Empire and its butchers?”.

      I suspect it’s because they’re the movement’s intellectual barrel scrapings that didn’t get a look in back in the day. No great loss if the inoculation fails.

    228. Ruby says:

      ‘Being better than barely verbal abusive schemies like Ruby and yourself presents all the challenge of shooting fish in a barrel’

      Don’t you just hate these snobs who discriminate against people because they live in social housing?

    229. wee monkey says:

      @ James Che 4.51pm ” he appeared to swallow the sturgeon play book and wouldn’t say a bad word against her, he was of the secret plan division..”

      —-
      It may be that the frikken wheels of the frikken bus are not only going to come off…..they are going to frikken blow off into frikken ORBIT.

      dodgy wifi in Portugal eh?

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIXYRReWUBMCVfr?format=jpg&name=medium

    230. Ruby says:

      ‘Hatuey is of course correct: you still can’t educate pork’

      How much education do ‘Hatuey & Ellis’ think we need?

      I’ve already decided to vote for Alba & YES for independence.

      What further education should I be looking for here on Wings?

      Do you think they are just here to show off how ‘smart’ they are compared to others who didn’t spend their entire life at school?

      Big fish in a small pond?

      Am I correct in thinking that it was ‘the schemies’ & ‘the thickos’ who voted for independence much more than those with advanced degrees living next door to ‘Hatuey & Ellis’ in the Grange?

      If ‘Hatuey & Ellis’ just want to insult independence supporters ‘the schemies’ & ‘the thickos’
      I think they should be encouraged to go elsewhere.

      Without the ‘the schemies’ & ‘the thickos’ the independence vote would probably be around 25% or less.

    231. Effigy says:

      The petition to remove Tony Blair’s Knighthood has reached 750,000 and increasing quickly.

      Looks like the Queen will be pissing on the Plebs emotions on this by ignoring 1,000,000 certain signatures against this war mongering liar.

    232. Hatuey says:

      “they actually want to be cunts for some strange reason”

      Yes and no. Better to need to strive to be a cunt, when it suits you, than to effortlessly be one. And when people defend the butchers of the British Empire, attack BLM, and generally regurgitate alt-right crap, I want those people to regard me as a cunt…

      We’re all good. This is shooting fish in a barrel, as Andy points out, kid’s stuff, and I can engage on this level all day long without skipping a beat.

      Sturgeon looks disappointed with omicron. Does she know the pandemic is over and her popularity ratings are expected to tumble further? She must. Everyone else knows.

      Just about everyone I know has either got covid now or has had it in he last few days. None of them so far have had anything worse than mild symptoms, and some no symptoms at all.

      By the end of January about 80% of us will have caught it and there’s good reason to expect a full return to normality this year. The science of that is interesting, I’ve been researching it all day.

      All systems are fully functional. Everything’s going extremely well.

    233. James Che. says:

      Twathater.

      I had followed the same pattern as yourself,
      But occasionally, once in a blue moon pop into these sites that went awol to the original people’s movement in 20014,

      The altered snp state and governance has been appalling, and as attacked there own side, and strung out independence by closing all possibilities and avenues
      ,
      I tend to agree with the other countries around the world, whom think that Scotland should go for it now, not two years down the road, when all opportunities have have been restricted,
      As I am sure is about to be put in play.

    234. Ruby says:

      “We’re all good. This is shooting fish in a barrel, as Andy points out, kid’s stuff, and I can engage on this level all day long without skipping a beat.”

      Why would you want to?

      Anyone following the bromance between ‘Hautey & Ellis’?

      Just watch Ellis will be along shortly to tell us how correct Hautey is in what he says!

      As Hautey pointed out we are only cunts when we want to be!

    235. twathater says:

      WOW schemies such condescension and grandiosity from a middle class middle aged nonentity who has delusions of grandeur , Ruby is right it is the big fish little pond scenario that enables their confidence , it must be so annoying and aggravating that their verbosity is wasted on these no marks on WOS , if only Nicla recognised their highly educated opinions I’m sure they would be elevated to a position that befitted their station in life

    236. Grouse Beater says:

      “To be honest Gareth, I find myself agreeing with Rev Stu’s comment on Gettr in response to someone pointing out one of your unpleasant little gems.”

      I see you are still determined to misrepresent what I write so you can ingratiate yourself with Stuart. And you are doing you best to defame. Shame on you.

    237. Hatuey says:

      Twathater “it is the big fish little pond scenario”

      Actually, if you really want to understand what “triggered” me yesterday, it was racism, which I can’t stand.

      I applied very normal standards for identifying racism.

      I’ve dealt with this debate a thousand times in academic circles and find it quite boring but, basically, where you find people excusing brutal imperialists and slave traders, you are usually dealing with racists and/or nationalists (often the same thing, incidentally).

      The way historians and other academics get away with it is by saying something like “we can’t judge historical figures of the past the moral standards of today”, and that’s considered acceptable “cover” for glorifying all sorts of disgusting stuff in the history books.

      In yesterday’s “discussion” on Dundas and statues, however, nobody came close to using that excuse. Instead, they went on to attack BLM which as we all know is dedicated to fighting racism today.

      At that point, the debate was over for me. They were being racist. They could have used the moral relativist argument outlined above, considered necessary in civilised circles, and they had plenty of opportunity to do so, but they didn’t. Instead they confirmed and reinforced their position as racists by attacking BLM.

    238. Ruby says:

      What will trigger Hatuey today?

      There is always something triggering ‘Hautey & Ellis’.

      For months Hatuey was triggered on an hourly basis by anti-vaxxers. Watching Hatuey being triggered on an hourly basis got really boring. I reckon that was when many decided WOS wasn’t for them.

      Likewise Ellis was triggered by the ‘franchise’ if he couldn’t find anything on this forum about the ‘franchise’ he went off to other websites to find comments about the franchise and then copied and pasted them here.

      Many complained about this but Hautey & Ellis are both like Sturgeon in that any complaints they receive they dismiss as not valid.

      It all became so crazy Stu threatened to ban anyone arguing about the franchise or covid.

    239. I see the transcult and their virtue signaling woke white middle class narcissistic acolytes are trying to smear JKR with antisemitism,

      name calling instead of reasoned debate seem to be the mark of the virtue signaling woke white middle class narcissist,

      Narcissism,traits,
      A grandiose sense of self-importance
      Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
      Belief that he or she is “special”,
      Requires excessive admiration
      Has a sense of entitlement
      Must be the center of attention
      Often monopolize conversations
      Lacks empathy
      Envies others or believes others are envious of him or her
      Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors and attitudes.

      Remind anyone of a certain double act.

    240. Ruby says:

      Hatuey says:

      Instead, they went on to attack BLM which as we all know is dedicated to fighting racism today.

      We don’t all know that!

      I posted the following earlier:

      https://archive.is/x4Bxh

      ‘Why Black Lives Matter are so dangerous’

      I tried to find the article Nick Buckley wrote about BLM without success.

      I’m wondering if there is any connection between the destruction of statues & the BLM organisation.

      If Hautey & Ellis really wanted to educate me they could have read the Nick Buckley article and pointed out why he was wrong.

      I don’t know much about BLM but I did find the ‘Black Lives Matter’ slogan rather strange surely all lives matter.

      I see similarities between BLM and Stonewall.
      One says ‘Black Lives Matter’ and the other ‘Trans Lives Matter’
      Sturgeon is all ears!

      What about all the rest of us?
      We’ve got ‘Women wont wheest’ (Sturgeon turns a deaf ear)

      Do we need to set up organisations like ‘Schemies Lives Matter’ ‘Drug Addicts Lives Matter’ ‘Care Home Residents Lives Matter’ ‘Starving Kids Lives Matter’ before anything is done?

      Where would we get the money? Where does BLM & Stonewall get the money?

    241. James Che. says:

      Alf Baird,

      Not sure if you are on here today. Or read my comment from yesterday.
      But with you’re knowledge I was hoping for some clarification on wether Scotland was so name from modern history taught in schools or from the older Anglo- Saxon word ( Sceat = Lot) = Scot land.
      Or further the Norman/ french word Escot = later Scot.

      As Kent and Sussex still used this term ( Scotland ) to refer to low- lying defendable land as late as the 19th century.

      For the personal name attached to a tribe of people from Ireland seems to be out of sync with the reality of the high ground of Scotland and with a tribe that did not in the early time of Scottish history reside in all or the whole of Scotland,
      But rather restricted to a certain area.

      I am finding that the history we have been taught has room for questions,
      I believe that the Romans referred the term, to a group of people in particular, but not all of the people,
      And in England of old, the term Sceat- Lot = Scot – land was prevalent first for their explanation of Levies on low lying defendable land in England.
      Hence the terminology used in the uk parliament in early centuries of Scot and Lot voters. And Scot Free.

    242. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says:

      Being better than barely verbal abusive schemies like Ruby and yourself presents all the challenge of shooting fish in a barrel. Hatuey is of course correct: you still can’t educate pork

      To all my fellow ‘schemies & thickos’

      No idea what Ellis means about being ‘barely verbal’
      If it means I am pretty rubbish at writing I would 100% agree. However I will not let that put me off and I would suggest to everyone else to do the same.

      Don’t let the pedants & the grammar police put you off just express yourself the best you can.

      Keep in mind it was we ‘schemies & thickos’ who were responsible for the vast majority of the YES vote.

      These pedants & grammar police have spent their entire life at school. Many bricks in their wall. It is impossible for them to have an original/creative thought they are totally bricked up!

      Don’t you just love ‘The Wall’ by Pink Floyd?

    243. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ruby.

      You asked,
      “Where would we get the money? Where does BLM & Stonewall get the money?”

      You’ll find the answer on this table of Stonewall’s income.

      https://media.gettr.com/group32/getter/2022/01/06/11/1e1a254f-6aa3-76de-6f3a-23c0d1802769/9a5db9acaa41bf17ad96be1e18c5a200.jpg

    244. Robert Hughes says:

      Just a shout-out to Ruby

      You’ve been consistently funny , playful and perceptive on here for a while now .

      Clearly yr not lacking in * ejukashun *

    245. James Che. says:

      Brian Doonthetoon.

      Indeed, some shame there on the leaders of that movement gaining financial wealth compared to the feet on the ground movement.

    246. robbo says:

      Brian Doonthetoon says:
      6 January, 2022 at 1:57 pm
      Hi Ruby.

      You asked,
      “Where would we get the money? Where does BLM & Stonewall get the money?”

      You’ll find the answer on this table of Stonewall’s income.

      https://media.gettr.com/group32/getter/2022/01/06/11/1e1a254f-6aa3-76de-6f3a-23c0d1802769/9a5db9acaa41bf17ad96be1e18c5a200.jpg

      ———-

      Comic Relief – £103,908 !

      Aye, comedians right enough. we’re the Fecking mugs.

    247. James Che. says:

      Someone previously mentioned, ask how things were going for Catalonia?
      Not to good I presume, because as far as I know,
      Catalonia does not have an equal treaty of union with Spain as a basis,

      However Scotland does have one with England, even if Westminster broke it, when they decided to change the pre- union laws of Scotland [ they ] considered were obsolete,

      Scots law was to remain to Scotland under the treaty of the union Acts.

    248. Ruby says:

      James Che
      I hope you get an answer from Alf. I find the origin of words very interesting.

      Brian Doonthetoon
      Thanks Brian.
      Many questionable entries on that financial statement!
      Scottish NHS £47,380?

      Robert Hughes
      Wow! I have a fan.
      Hugz

    249. Alf Baird says:

      James Che. @ 1:32 pm

      I replied to some of your very interesting questions yesterday 5/1 at 7.50pm.

      On the origins of the name ‘Scota’, Scotichronicon (c. 1430) deals with the saga of Gaythelos and Scota, daughter of the Pharao. Historic records chart their voyage to first Iberia, then some of these people/descendants eventually moving on to settle in Ireland, the latter also referred to at one time as ‘Scotia’. It may be that Argyll, where the Dalriada Scots lived, was a part of that given the close proximity, whilst most of the rest of Scotland across the other side of the mountains was, according to Roman records, Pictland. The subsequent combining of Picts and Dalriada Scots during the 800s AD led to the Scotland we know today. Which also to some extent explains the geographic split of language, i.e. Scots and Gaelic; Pictish/Scots peoples in the Forth-Clyde isthmus and north and east as far as the northern isles, and Gaels/Scots on the west coast and isles closer to Ireland.

    250. Alf Baird says:

      Ruby @ 2:50 pm

      Postcolonial theory (Aime Cesaire) explains the problem in relation to the dominant native elites during colonialism, which we might remember is always a ‘cooperative’ venture between them and the oppressor:

      “One cannot say that the petty bourgeois has never read anything. On the contrary, he has read everything, devoured everything. Only, his brain functions after the fashion of elementary types of digestive systems. It filters. And the filter lets through only what can nourish the thick skin of the bourgeois’s clear conscience.”

    251. robertknight says:

      James Che @1:32

      “SKOT” was an early Icelandic and Old Norse word for “payment” or “tax”. … Thus “scot-free” literally means “exempt from tax”; it has since been broadened to indicate “exempt from punishment” – as in “the prisoner got off scot-free”

      Scots from what became Ulster crossed the North Channel to create the Gaelic-speaking Christan Kingdom of Dalriada, in what became Argyll.

      At some point, what the Romans knew as Caledonia, the area between the Antonine Wall in the south to the Pictland Firth to the north, went from being Pictland to Scotland, but history being written by the victorious, and the Picts having no written language, we have only the Scots’ version of events.

      Perhaps it became commonplace, through a process of religious conversion by Scots Priests, that those pagan Picts who were converted to Christianity also became naturalised Scots; the title “Scot” being applied to any Pict who converted to Christianity and, presumably, fealty to the Christian Kings of Scots; ruling with the authority vested in them by the Pope.

      It is entirely possible that fealty to a Christian King and Deity went hand in hand and it became the category which divided Scot from Pict. You could therefore be pagan Pict, or Norse for that matter, on a Friday, but be converted to a Christian Scot on a Sunday; despite not having moved or been displaced in any geographical sense. However, in terms of language, culture, religion and overlordship, such a change would be monumental – much in the way that in 1707 the Scots overnight became (North) Britons and their language and culture thereafter… etc.

      With no written language, only their place name elements, tumuli, henges and individual standing stones survive as testament to the those pagan, tattooed warrior tribes who once roamed the land.

    252. katherine hamilton says:

      Happy New Year Rev.
      C’mon, just for a laugh, post a laff for us about Baroness Mone’s trials and tribulations. You’ve been pointing out her nonsense for years. Looks like she’s about to get it. Hope so.

    253. James Che. says:

      Thanks Alf and to every one that replied to my question and theory WHERE IS SCOTLAND?
      Where was the FIRST Scotland?

      Well apparently it was in England, and the term was used for an area of of low lying land that needed defensive measures paid for by Levies.
      This is recorded in Hansard. Under Scot and lot voters.
      My dispute over language is not so much with the Gael, pict land and Scots,

      but rather that the word [Scot-land ] itself much in use south of the border and migrated with the new Norman-Anglo- Saxon colonisation when land was given or taken from the people now known as Scots.

      The name it’s self refers to low land.
      And I believe that Middle English was in use at this time period in the low lands of Scotland

    254. @Ruby,

      Nothing against BLM it`s the white virtue signalers that appropriate these movements that sicken me,

      `Hasan Kwame Jeffries, a history professor at Ohio State. said that if history shows one thing to be true, it’s that white attention and sympathy for Black social justice is fleeting. It wanes when cameras disappear.

      I fear that may be happening now.

      According to a June poll, 45% of white people surveyed found racism to be a “big problem.” In the latest poll, that number had already fallen to 38%.

      I suppose I’m not too surprised … because … white people`

      Malcolm X said black civil/human rights biggest threat was not the right wing republican but the centre left democrat,

      he relished the fight against the right wing because you knew your enemy

      but the lefty democrat would join,take over and use the movement to win votes then leave it worse of when they had got what they wanted out of it.

    255. twathater says:

      Ruby the degradation of being a schemie lives with you forever it is carried on your back like a heavy sack that you can’t unload , if you look really carefully at peoples (sorry ,schemies foreheads) you can sometimes see the branding

      You will find that schemies are frowned upon in academia as they don’t know how to behave properly in reserved genteel circles, that is why the like of Oxford , Cambridge or even St Andrews are loathe to accept them

      I must admit that Andy Pandy’s 27 years in Surrey has really enabled him to adopt the exceptionalism our English cousins are world renowned for
      I wonder if Andy Pandy will be apologetic or outraged that he has shown himself publicly to be a classic entitled snob or will he resort to the old racist defence of I can’t be an entitled middle class snob because I have friends who are schemies

    256. Ebok says:

      I’m very wary of people pontificating about racism, particularly when it comes down to the blame game, and selectively highlighting white on black outrages.

      Atrocities have been committed throughout history against all races, by all races. From the building of the Pyramids to conscripts in medieval warfare to individual crimes committed by US police, the single collective depiction of countless millions of victims is poverty, not race.

      Crimes against ethnic, cultural, indigenous, or religious groups occur ‘in house’ all too often. Rwanda, Ethiopia, Islam, Christianity, are modern instances, but from Gulags to the Caste system and suppression of indigenous peoples throughout the world the powerful always win, the weak lose.

      Republicofscotland says:
      30 November, 2021 at 6:24 pm

      ‘256 Scots died last year sleeping on the streets, up forty on the previous year, and homelessness played a big factor in their deaths’

      Terrible things are happening now, today, but by focusing on a narrow range of historic injustices we fall for yet another divide and rule scam and fail to recognise that it is the rich and powerful who are the real racists, it is they who are responsible.
      To collectively blame all whites for historic cruelties and ignore the sufferings and sacrifices of all poor people – not black, not white, but simply poor – is wrong. How many poorhouses were there is Scotland during the 17th – 20th centuries, how many poor Scots were used as cannon fodder during 20th century wars – and in the 21st century how many live in appalling conditions in slums, favelas, ghettos, townships, shanty towns, campamentos, dwellings that are not exclusive to any colour.

      The vast majority of our population did not benefit in any way from slavery and cruelty, and the vast majority of Scots bear no animosity or harbour racist feelings.
      We call out racist acts and have laws to protect everyone. 200 million Dalits in India don’t have that luxury: –

      ‘A teenaged Dalit boy was shot dead at his home in Uttar Pradesh’s Domkhera village in Amroha district at a time when the Black Lives Matter movement was shaking the whole world. He was shot dead allegedly by youths from an upper caste community for visiting a temple in the village, according to media reports. Such killing of Dalits in India is very common, more particularly after the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) came to power at Delhi in 2014…
      …This brutal killing has not become a headline in Indian media, print or electronic. Normally Dalit deaths do not. In America, any killing of a black becomes a headline. In India, it does not. Against such ghastly killing for prayer in a temple, we do not find any protests in India.’

    257. James Che. says:

      The Irish tribe themselves known as Scotti by the Romans may refer to tribes living on lower land as much of their army was an amalgamation of people and languages conquered prior to attacking Scotland.

      It certainly was a language term used as descriptive of a particular portion of land from early times in England.

      Wether from Latin, Anglo, or Saxon.
      However the inhabitants of Scotland did not refer to themselves as such, prior to this language migration,
      And historians are quick to educate us that we are all Scots under their teachings.

      Robertknight.

      Scot- SKAT is indeed mentioned in UDAL LAW in Orkney and Shetland.
      But again we see this as imported language through migration and colonisation from early times,
      It is now excepted by Orkney and Shetland as part of their heritage and language from records with history.

      However When does a foreign language become acceptable to a nation of a different tongue if that is language is enforced upon them, through an education of their young, a slight of history propaganda and by dictate,

      Who tell us our history, other than the victors as you say.

      Perhaps the new king of Dal-Riata saw an opportunity in the language that was changing to unite the northern country.

      But that the descriptive term Sceat— lot = Scot —lot = Scot—land is being lost in its origins.
      It was in use south of the border prior to Scotland being named Scotland.

      The king of Dal-Riata was king of the Scots, ( ie) king of the Scotti, not king of Scotland before it was known by the name of Scotland.
      He simply took an opportunity in language. And changed Caledonia to re- name a land after his own tribe of Scotti,
      A people that originally lived in the low lands. Some Perhaps north and south of the border between Scotland and England.
      Near to the Roman walls.

      That however is opposite

    258. Hatuey says:

      BLM wasn’t designed to appeal to frustrated white people and the fact that so many on here are uncomfortable with it probably bodes well.

      I’m still waiting for someone to explain how sticking up for British imperialist butchers like Dundas helps the cause of Scottish independence.

    259. James Che. says:

      That however is opposite to how any one would describe the Scotland we know, with its mountainous land, and hilly regions, lochs and high moors, in fact the Romans description of Scotland may be more accurate with Tacitus’s Mons- Graupius.

      We could presume that the name Scotland was named more by the early English term for low lying Scotland with its defensives around Hadrians wall and Antonines wall by Anglo- Saxon and Norman speaking new land owners.

    260. James Che. says:

      Ebook.
      RepublicofScotland.

      You could not get a more racist comment on white racism against whites than from the comment and lines the prime minister of The UK quoted in the spectator.

      Exterminate the Scots.

      Wow .

    261. Robert Hughes says:

      Twathater @ 5.20

      * Neds * * Chavs * * Schemies *

      Aye the white working class , a demographic it’s – apparently – ok to insult,denigrate and feel superior to

      Ebok @ 5.22

      Excellent post . Indeed the common denominator amongst all races is the one a lot of so-called * Progressives * would rather was never mentioned . eg Class .

      Cursed are the poor , for their’s is the Kingdom of Ashes

    262. Ruby says:

      Many derogatory terms for the working class.

      the great unwashed
      plebs
      low life
      riff-raff

      Class discrimination is a huge problem in this country.

      You can’t get on your high horse about racism when you approve of term ‘schemie’

      I’ve heard the American terms ‘rednecks’ and ‘white trash’ being used in the UK.

      The most horrible expression I’ve heard is people being described as N.Q.O.C.

    263. Ebok says:

      Ruby says:
      6 January, 2022 at 8:19 pm

      ‘Many derogatory terms for the working class’

      A few more for you Ruby

      Impoverished, prole (used by me to describe…me), needy, disadvantaged, penniless, underprivileged, deprived, indigent, down-and-out, destitute, and the one I find most objectionable of all, McJobs.

    264. Ruby says:

      Benefit scrounger
      Doley

    265. Hatuey says:

      The peasants are revolting…

    266. Ruby says:

      “DrNdLs
      @DrNdLs
      ·
      Jan 6
      Replying to @DrNdLs
      He doesn’t react well to criticism and appears to have a bit of a hair-trigger response. As Fiona said, it was odd that after a long period of cordial relations he went off on one because I disagreed with him about the “Scotland as colony” schtick. He then confected some bizarre conspiracy theory about having evidence of emails I’d been sending you trying to discredit him, and that I had multiple accounts!

      I did try to reason with him and say he must have me confused with someone else, and challenging him to publish the evidence he claimed to have, but (surprise, surprise!) he came up empty.

      When I asked for an apology he just doubled down. Now I’m “English Ellis”, and a liar. He appears to be one of those folk who simply can’t bear to admit being wrong.”

      Does this look like a man who wouldn’t send emails to Stu trying to discredit someone?

    267. Hatuey says:

      Well, based on what passes for information on here, Novax Djocavic shouldn’t be allowed to compete in the Australian Open because as an unvaccinated athlete he has a distinct advantage.

      As I understand it, athletes who are vaccinated are likely to spontaneously combust at any moment, suffer cytokine storms, heart failure, and other inconveniences likely to hamper their chances.

      Accordingly, we are to believe that hospitals are struggling because of a surge in athletes and others suffering from vaccine side effects rather than omicron…

      There’s just one problem; it’s all bullshit.

      Novax Djocavic, like the rest of those who refuse the vaccine for “political” reasons, is a free rider. The only reason the tournament is going ahead is down to the willingness of the majority of Australians to roll up their sleeves.

      Societies across the world are going to return to something resembling normal in a few weeks. We simply wouldn’t be able to do that without the vaccines and the willingness of most people to roll up their sleeves.

    268. Hatuey says:

      Ruby, your shit-stirring is tedious.

      Don’t you have anything better to do with your precious time?

    269. Ruby says:

      I don’t think it’s odd for someone to fall out with Andy Ellis (@DrNdLs)

      He writes:
      “He appears to be one of those folk who simply can’t bear to admit being wrong.”

      If someone has an opinion that is contrary to what Ellis thinks he seems to want to beat them down until they admit that he is right and they are wrong.

      He appears to be one of those folk who simply can’t bear for someone to disagree with him.

      He’s losing it because people have an opinion on the franchise & Scotland as colony that is different to his.

      He’s also a bit of a crybaby who runs to the teacher to tell tales.
      Please Miss that bad boy called me names.

      Forgetting that he himself is guilty of name calling.

      I can’t be bothering going back to list all the names he’s called me
      ‘Schemie’ was the latest. Prior to that he claimed that I was so mentally ill I didn’t have a vote.

      The use of the term ‘schemie’ tells you a lot about Andy Ellis.

      He’s desperately scrounging around looking for people to support him.
      He’s got his pal ‘Hatuey’ and he appears to need Stu to back him up.

    270. Ruby says:

      Ruby, your shit-stirring is tedious.

      Hatuey is not a fan. 🙂

    271. Ruby says:

      Hatuey
      Why are you posting here?
      Don’t you have anything better to do with your precious time?

    272. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 11.02 am

      While echoing the sentiments of the estimable Hatuey above, has it not even occurred to you (I know it’s a big ask when you’re intellectual light bulb is such low wattage, but at least TRY to think these things through, eh?) that Gareth could at any time have provided the evidence of these messages he said he had, but failed to do so. Stu could also have confirmed his story.

      In fact, Gareth has failed to provide it because it doesn’t exist and Stu is on record saying he had a similar experience with Gareth. Strange you saw fit not to reproduce those GETTR posts. One might almost think you had an agenda…..?

    273. Ruby says:

      I have no idea what is meant by the term racist.
      I used to know but not now.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fpolitics%2F19829617.tory-peer-michelle-mone-questioned-met-racist-message-claims%2F

      I don’t believe either of the characters in this saga!

    274. Ruby says:

      ‘While echoing the sentiments of the estimable Hatuey above’

      The bromance continues! While they ever meet up? 🙂

    275. Ruby says:

      One might almost think you had an agenda…..?

      It appears your light bulb is not just low wattage but that the filament has shattered and you are operating in total darkness’.

    276. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 12.49 pm

      For the avoidance of doubt, here’s Stu’s response on GETTR to the post you pasted above:

      https://www.gettr.com/comment/cfvy8w001d

      “Replying to @DrNdLs

      Mm, I had a similar experience with him recently, I think you might be right.”

      It hardly seems likely Stu would be responding that way if he felt Gareth’s original claim was true, does it?

      Odd that you saw fit not to add that rather important piece of information which kind of blew what passed for your argument out of the water.

      I think that shows most reasonable people what kind of person you are.

    277. Ruby says:

      Mm, I had a similar experience with him recently, I think you might be right.

      What was the similar experience?

      Did Gareth call Stu ‘English’ and a liar and make false claims about emails?

      If you ever want me to do you a favour probably best not to start with an insult.

      You are being utterly pathetic.

      So what if Gareth called you ‘English’ and a liar and made some claims about you being a tell-tale.

      Why are you getting so upset?
      You are making a fool complete fool of yourself!

      PS Did you tell Stu that I called you a cunt?

    278. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 1.08 pm

      Clearly you have reading difficulties as well as your many other problems…or you’re just prone to only reading what suits your rather stalkerish agenda.

      Anyone reading the exchanges will be able to work it out. Perhaps you can ask one of them to help you spell the words out?

      You don’t have the capacity to upset me. Irritate perhaps…on one of your good days. Today isn’t one of those days.

    279. Effigy says:

      Petition to rescind Tony Blair Knighthood now at 990,000
      with signings thick and fast so 1,000,000 inevitable today.

      Boris caught with his hand in the till yet again but he said sorry
      so he can keep the money and feel secure to take more bribes.

      What kind of man would take £200K to add to his latest tarts wallpaper fund
      and not enquire who gave him it and didn’t want to thank them?

      BBC and LBC way over the top in reporting Scottish Covid situation.
      A Vet professor alludes to say we will have had 3 Million cases and not 1 million?
      LBC making A & E crisis in Glasgow hospital much more of a story than the same situation arising previously and on going in London, Manchester and many other English hospitals.
      So bad in London the Troops are going in to help.

      Tory MP demands God Save the Queen played on your TV each day?
      It’s only the tune that’s missing.

      How I’ll miss all this costly and constant propaganda. NOT!

    280. Ruby says:

      Why is Andy Ellis wasting his time with a ‘thicko Schemie’ like me?

      That’s three posts in the last 15 minutes!

    281. Andy Ellis says:

      “That’s three posts in the last 15 minutes!”

      Says the individual who has posted 47 of the 287 contributions on this thread…..so that’s 14.9% of the total, and 12 of the 21 comments since first posting this morning, which is 57%.

      Time spent exposing knuckle dragging trolls is never wasted Ruby: I just don’t have to monopolise the thread to do it. Happy to help!

    282. Ebok says:

      At 9.00 am this morning, every CEO of companies listed on the FTSE 100 had ‘earned’ more than the average earner will for the whole on 2022 (£31,000+).

      For each one of those CEOs to take home such incomes, tens of thousands must live in poverty.
      Just think of that for a moment: tens of thousands living in poverty so that one person can bank an obscene amount of money.

      We must not lay it all on FTSE companies of course. There are of thousands of others making these offensive sums. How much is enough? How do they sleep at nights? And we live in a caring society?

    283. Hatuey says:

      “Clearly you have reading difficulties as well as your many other problems”

      There’s a lot to unpack there, foshizzle…

      She reminds me of those people you get in America who appear at traffic lights,… without any sort of contractual agreement, they just start wiping your windscreen.

      My window didn’t need cleaned; but if I don’t pay, I get called a cunt.

      Go figure.

    284. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hatuey 2.26 pm

      Indeed! At least they were providing a service….even if the water was dirty.

      Grievance chimps like our Ruby would be flinging their shit at your windscreen in return for peanuts from the windshield washers cartel. 🙂

      I was going to post again pointing out the occasions above when she’d posted multiple times within minutes, but it’s like playing chess with the proverbial pigeon in their case I think?

    285. Hatuey says:

      Ebok: “Petition to rescind Tony Blair Knighthood now at 990,000
      with signings thick and fast so 1,000,000 inevitable today.”

      It won’t make any difference — even if 50 million signed it, they won’t rescind it.

      The English establishment likes to reward its criminals. It was criminality, starting with the privateers then later on slave traders and various other pillagers, that took England from being a turnip growing nonentity on the periphery of Europe to centre stage.

      When you look at the role of ‘the city’, arms sales, and foreign policy, it’s clear that little has changed.

      I’m expecting Blair to involve himself in the Prince Andrew scandal though, and suspect that’s why they’ve suddenly decided to elevate him. He’s probably the right guy for the job since he shows no sign of having anything resembling scruples or a soul.

      It’s comedy gold, on a certain level.

    286. Hatuey says:

      “I was going to post again pointing out the occasions above when she’d posted multiple times within minutes…”

      God. You realise of course that you can’t possibly win.

      Lol @ chess

    287. Ebok says:

      Hatuey says:
      7 January, 2022 at 2:48 pm

      ‘Ebok: “Petition to rescind Tony Blair Knighthood now at 990,000
      with signings thick and fast so 1,000,000 inevitable today.”’

      You should have gone to Specsavers Hatuey, that post came from @Effigy.

    288. Ruby says:

      I’ll repost incase of any misunderstanding

      Why is Andy Ellis wasting his time with a ‘thicko Schemie knuckle dragging troll’ like me?

      That’s three posts in the last 15 minutes addressed to me.

      Get it now?

      Time spent exposing knuckle dragging trolls is never wasted Ruby

      Maybe so but haven’t you heard the advice ‘don’t feed the troll’

      ‘Grievance chimp’ another name to add to the list.

      A song for the ‘Bromancers’

      https://tinyurl.com/ycya7vjk

    289. Dan says:

      Had noted Breeks hadn’t posted btl for a wee while but good to see there’s a guest post by them over on BarrhheadBoy.

      https://www.barrheadboy.com/which-ever-flag-they-offer-a-guest-post-by-breeks/

    290. Ruby says:

      Says the individual who has posted 47 of the 287 contributions on this thread…..

      What kind of stalker goes back and counts the number of posts made by a ‘thicko schemie, knuckle dragging troll, moon howling grievance monkey with serious mental issues?”

      He must have an agenda……

    291. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 3.38 & 3.50 pm

      “That’s three posts in the last 15 minutes addressed to me.” (posted @ 1.40pm)

      Oh…we can add innumerate to functionally illiterate too now: it was 3 posts (12.32 pm, 12.55 pm & 1.19 pm) in 47 minites, all directly in response to your posts.

      That’s how BTL conversations work Ruby. We can draw you a diagram using Chubby Chump crayons if it makes it easier for you to understand?

    292. Ruby says:

      Dan says:
      7 January, 2022 at 3:48 pm
      Had noted Breeks hadn’t posted btl for a wee while but good to see there’s a guest post by them over on BarrhheadBoy.

      https://www.barrheadboy.com/which-ever-flag-they-offer-a-guest-post-by-breeks/

      Good to hear Breeks is doing well.

      You haven’t posted here much Dan.
      Have you found a new home too.

      Seems to be mainly just me & ‘the Bromancers’ left posting here.

      I’m having a lot of fun. I’ve laughed so much I’m running out of Tena Ladies.
      🙂

    293. Ruby says:

      Oh…we can add innumerate to functionally illiterate too now: it was 3 posts (12.32 pm, 12.55 pm & 1.19 pm) in 47 minites, all directly in response to your posts.

      I really did just pee my pants!

      I hope he takes a break for the next 47 minutes so I can run to the chemist to stock up on Tena Ladies.

      Don’t feed the troll

      Well at least not for the next 47 minutes.

      Cheers!

    294. Republicofscotland says:

      Dr Philippa Whitford basically saying that the SNP MPs won’t walk out of Westminster because their votes matter, Whitford claims Brexit would’ve been different had Sinn Fein taken their seats.

      These SNP MP parasites are so embedded and attached to the Westminster teat, that there’s not a hope in hell of any of them actually doing anything radical to forward our indy cause.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19831531.philippa-whitford-explains-snp-mps-wont-just-walk-westminster%2F

    295. Ruby says:

      “Oh…we can add innumerate to functionally illiterate too now”

      Christo on a bicletta!

      Does ‘thicko’ not cover it?

    296. James Che. says:

      Robertknight.

      Thank you for the link to worldhistory.

      I am enjoying the update between records, language,general history sources combined with new archaeology.

      Being a lover of hidden history and metal detecting and an slight interest with languages that link concluded many of my own theory researches, with regards to the Picts and Scots.
      But also to low land pre – named Scotland.

      I had surmised that there had been a colonised border region by Norman and Anglo- Saxons bringing change to the language.

      And that the Scots as we know them today had not named lower Scotland being as that particular word derives from Norman/ french and Anglo Saxon before the time of Kenneth Mac Alpin.

      The terminology and use of the descriptive word [ Scot- land ] still being in use up to the 19th century in Kent and Sussex, Norman french and Anglo- Saxon were speaking for low lying land that needed defending.

      Somewhere along the short history time line along the borders of Scotland and England the merging of languages and one tribe settling in Scotland known as the Scotti, the name Scotland became appropriated.

      Medieval writers have a lot to answer for, and apparently propaganda was not new then , as, Tacitus spoke of winning the battle of Mons Graupius, but omitted to say they they lost the war long term in Scotland and they had to retreat supposedly for winter, but the Roman wall says it all really.

    297. Effigy says:

      Stop Tony Blair’s Kighthood just went through the 1 Million signature mark.

      It’s being signed every few seconds so it may well double in number but who
      in the U.K. gives a damn about the plebs?

    298. James Che. says:

      Effigy.

      You are right who gives a dam in the uk.

      We have bigger issues to worry about in our society.
      Number one is the deliberate breaking down of our society and communities.
      At first this may not seem important, but when we consider how transgender is divisional, then how blm is divisional, how the vaccines are divisional, how climate change is divisional, how Brexit was divisional, the young against pensioners and women’s pensions and low paid part time work compared to men’s for the same job, citizens and migrants, and the list goes on and on

      The question is how much is being being done by the governments that is not so notably obvious in there crawl approaching stages.
      For instance,
      the closing of libraries,
      the closing of schools,
      the closing of the NHS, and doctors going awol.
      Small high street shops closing.
      Localised police stations closing.
      Local small businesses closing,
      Our oil production closing.
      Our coal mines closing.
      Our fisheries closing.
      Our farming now closing.
      Our energy companies closing.
      Our local and long distance employment being closed down.
      Local justice priced outside our reach. Cutting of laws of the land.
      County against county for the levelling up project.
      Country against country.
      And governments against people.
      Lock the people up meanwhile, so new laws are bought in to curtail free speech and movement, or protests .
      Sorry That’s meant to read lockdown the people meanwhile.

      It’s a long game the governments around the world are playing.
      But when we ADD up,—— all that has gone before and what is happening now with divisional issues
      IT BREAKS DOWN SOCIETY! FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. It Separates them from their loved ones and family and friends,
      And Takes away their ability to survive or to have support,

    299. James Che. says:

      The NHS is supposed to save our lives, now We are all saving the NHS.

      The police are supposed to protect us and exist by consent of the people in Britain, now the police attack the people of Britain whom are NOT given their consent.

      Total submission and Control.

      How about when your order shopping online.

      Well ASDA has a new scary advert for the future, where it puts milk back you have ordered because it says you have enough in you’re fridge, what if you had spilt it?
      Food control is not far away

    300. Republicofscotland says:

      “The NHS is supposed to save our lives, now We are all saving the NHS.”

      James Che.

      Years of underfunding and mismanagement have brought us to this, even more so in Scotland as we rely on Westminster giving us extra funding but only if the Barnett formula is triggered.

      Of course for Scotland it didn’t have to be this way, a country needs all the levers of government to run it, its impossible to progress without independence, which gives a government the scope to manoeurve.

      An independent Scotland can use its wealth, wealth that it currently sends South of the border in part, to make progress and to build on our existing NHS, this goes not only for our NHS but for many fields in Scotland from schools to housing to infrastructure independence isn’t the be all, but its the key that unlocks the door which allows Scotland to make its own moves without having to plead or wait on a foreign country’s governments nod of the head, without independence Scotland is going nowhere fast.

    301. Tinto Chiel says:

      Evening, James C.

      Glad you are back posting and yes, the plutocrats are busy syphoning up all the public investment into their coffers while severely limiting our options as they take us back to pre-WWI levels of political impotence.

      Onyhoo, I thought you might like this wee monograph from a real Scots professor to add to the mix for those interested in our Gaelic/Pictish/Scots ancestry:

      https://electricscotland.com/history/articles/scotsirish.htm

      I checked with him fairly recently and he holds to his c. 2000 views.

      @Ian Brotherhood: that’s a zinger of an article you posted on Big Pharma on the more recent thread @9.48 a.m. and from an unexpected source in The New Yorker too. I have to say Dopesick was an appalling indictment of the lengths which that industry go to put profits before public health but since it is streamed freely at the moment others can make their own judgements.

      The thought that we would entrust Those Types and Boris’s Tories with our wellbeing is frankly terrifying .

    302. According to Dec of Arbroath the Scots came from Greater Sythia via the med and Atlantic coast,

      being a natavist i had my DNA checked thinking i would come out as a native Pict,

      but my biggest markers on my fathers side came from the Basque region with some from Ireland ,England ,Scotland and a little Scandinavia,

      there was also a very small marker from Eastern Europe/Central Asia,

      as my surname is Finlayson which dates back to Macbeth`s father Findláech of Moray it seems to suggest the Scots are immigrants from Central Europe having spent time in France/Spain Ireland and then Scotland,

      The Scots are not a native British tribe.

    303. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Scot: they are not a “native” British tribe (i.e. of British/Welsh origin) or Pictish but, as the professor states, they may be the “autochthonous” folk of Argyll, sharing a language and culture with Ireland. The absence of any prior place-name substratum in Argyll from British/Welsh/Pictish would indicate a pretty ancient lineage.

      After the last glaciation, everyone eventually migrating to Scotland was an immigrant, so who was the earliest and does it really matter? By the time of the collapse of Rome, they were all Celtic.

      Looks like, on current evidence, that the Basques of France and Spain are the oldest pre-Celtic peoples of Europe.

      One of the problems of Scottish history is that so many of our historical documents have been systematically destroyed or neglected following waves of punitive English invasion from the time of Edward I onwards.

      My memory may be failing me but I thought you had perceptively drawn attention to the loss of about half of the surviving ancient documents of Scotland in the 17th century when one of the two ships containing them unfortunately sank on their return voyage to the country.

    304. John Main says:

      Orwell had some good slogans in 1984:

      War is peace.

      Ignorance is strength.

      Freedom is slavery.

      Hatuey wishes us to adopt a new one in his defence of BLM:

      Racism is not racist.

      Sorry Hatuey, but the point of 1984 is that Orwell was using his examples to illustrate the folly of adopting uncritical and unthinking positions. Something for you to ponder, if you can.

    305. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Tinto Chiel –

      That New Yorker piece is valuable insofar as it proves how faithfully the producers of Dopesick stuck to the facts.

      I must confess to being completely unaware of the scandal. If it’s true that over 200,000 American citizens have died as a direct result of that drug (with god only knows how many more lives ruined) then we are entitled to ask why the politico-media establishment right here hasn’t tried to heighten awareness of it over the years.

      But then again, (and this is a bit of a spoiler who haven’t seen it) the fact that not one of the Sackler family has ever spent a day in court, let alone jail, provides the vital clue as to why few of us have ever heard of them and what they did.

      They’re protected. By the same institutions which are currently enabling the vaccination of children with experimental gene therapy.

      As Robert F. Kennedy keeps pointing out to anyone who’ll listen, this is the first time in modern history that children are being sacrificed in order to save the elderly.

      🙁

      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/the-family-that-built-an-empire-of-pain

    306. John Main says:

      Scot Finlayson

      Not really following your logic as to why the Scots are not a native British tribe.

      And I don’t much care if the Scots came here as welcome guests, or as murderous slayers of the indigenous inhabitants.

      The point is, that was all very much before our time, we are here now, and Scotland is ours, by rights orders of magnitude greater than those pertaining to any other groups.

      Guess I must be a “regressive” nativist. I welcome the rights of nativists everywhere in the world to celebrate their unique cultural identities in their own native lands.

    307. Tinto Chiel says:

      @ Ian B: yes. One family member (and mother) said to me recently how dreadful it was that MSM “health professionals” (sic) are pushing “vaccination” of mothers and young children when the latter are at statistically zero risk of serious illness/death from Covid but are being pushed into taking the jab to protect grandparents whose risk of dying from same is actually slightly beyond natural mortality.

      This is madness, unless you factor in rampant greed by Pharma companies and the constant desire of the political class for more and more control of the masses.

      Then it all begins to make sense.

    308. Caledonia says:

      Usually link your stuff i agree with on twitter using twitter icon link at bottom of post.
      Would be great if i could do same on GETTR but im sure that is in progress
      BTW for anyone my name on GETTR is scotnews as Caledonia was taken.

    309. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Tinto Chiel –

      Thanks for response.

      It’s interesting that Twitter has been highlighting a ‘fact-check’ notice, warning that the VAERS and Yellow Card systems (US and UK respectively) are being abused by anti-vaxxers submitting false reports on deaths/injuries resulting from the jag.

      That’s how devilish the ‘deniers’ are!

    310. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Ian B: this is laughable when one considers even the VAERS (USA) and UK Yellow Card authorities have themselves estimated that under-reporting of adverse reactions is high: probably only about 5-10% of serious reactions reported and even less for “minor” ones. Bear in mind reporting usually requires a doctor to make the notification and the pressure to ignore adverse reactions will be significant once financial and career prospects are taken into account.

    311. Hatuey says:

      John Main: “Sorry Hatuey, but the point of 1984 is that Orwell was using his examples to illustrate the folly of adopting uncritical and unthinking positions. Something for you to ponder, if you can.“

      Yeah, I will ponder it. Promise.

      Now can you or some other genius explain why you think quoting Orwell confers some sort of unassailable authority when it comes to making mental arguments?

      The idea that Orwell can be used to defend imperialist butchers like Henry Dundas is in itself one of the most monstrous ideas ever to land on the many pages of this website. It is the equivalent of quoting Mahatma Gandhi in defence of Pol Pot and his Killing Fields.

      I’ll probably wake up laughing at this for years to come.

      Thanks. Sincerely.

    312. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      Indeed.

      And it seems that many doctors, here and stateside, are unaware that these monitoring systems even exist.

      Again, we’re back to the ‘Dopesick’ scenario – there’s no way that Purdue would’ve made such inroads with their hideous invention if GPs had the nous we all credit them with.

      As Kary Mullis said, in the 1996 interview where he slammed Fauci (aye! that long ago! Plus ca change, eh?), it’s as if doctors are the new priests, and their white coats are the robes. We don’t question their analysis and ‘advice’ – authority is somehow vested in them.

      But the truth is, some of them are just ordinary citizens – albeit from very supportive families – who happened to stay at uni for that bit longer. Many of them are every bit as gullible and/or flawed as the rest of us, even when it comes to making sense of ‘medical’ stuff.

      It’s time they started earning the respect that generations have given them.

    313. Hatuey says:

      For Ian Brotherhood.

      https://documentary.net/video/burzynski-cancer-is-serious-business/

      It might surprise you to know that I was quite intrinsically involved in the production of this documentary and was on very good terms with Eric Merola, the Director, and his more famous brother (the producer of Zeitgeist).

      If you haven’t seen that film before, you’re in for a shock. They literally found a cure for cancer and, for business reasons, destroyed it and the man behind it.

      Nobody who knows the medical industry is under any illusions.

      I’m happy to avoid getting embroiled in another debate about the vaccines but good people involved in health sectors are engaged in the sort of debates we’ve seen with regards to the vaccines all the time.

      There’s barely a year that goes by that doesn’t involve one scandal or another, with everything from the provision of routine pain killers to the most advanced scanning equipment on the market raising all sorts of concerns…

      It’s an ugly scene and it shocks people because they start with the assumption that the medical industry for some reason isn’t driven by commercial interests and considerations.

      Anyway, I heard he produced a sequel but I haven’t spoken to Eric for years and haven’t seen it if he has.

    314. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Hatuey –

      Thanks for link.

      Will have a swatch.

      😉

    315. Hatuey says:

      I agree, btw, the New Yorker article on the Sacklers was worth reading.

      I’d heard of Purdue, they’re big players obviously, but not the Sacklers…

    316. Dan says:

      Have previously stated that during face to face campaigning with the public, discussion on health service provision is a subject that nearly everyone you speak to is receptive to because it directly effects them, their families, and friends.

      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2022/01/08/we-had-better-learn-from-this/

      And from a while back… just in case you thought Scotland’s health services are being best protected and served by our own Government Administrators of Devolved Powers.
      https://twitter.com/Rosmoffat/status/1415691971184799747

    317. Breeks says:

      James Che. says:
      7 January, 2022 at 4:19 pm

      …Medieval writers have a lot to answer for, and apparently propaganda was not new then , as, Tacitus spoke of winning the battle of Mons Graupius, but omitted to say they they lost the war long term in Scotland and they had to retreat supposedly for winter, but the Roman wall says it all really.

      I’m not really that well read on it, but the account of the Battle of Mons Graupius is uncorroborated. I’m not saying it’s untrue, but the information comes from only one source, the apparent conquerors. Thus there are questions whether it happened at all, where it happened, whether it happened to the extent described, or whether it meant anything like the significance being attached to it.

      I’m content within reason to concede Tacitus was probably writing about a real event, but whatever the full truth, if there was such a massive reverse for the Picts, there doesn’t seem to have been devastating consequences or immediate colonisation you’d maybe expect.

      There are two other niggles I have in my head about the Romans in Scotland. First, there is something inconsistent about Scotland being this itinerant society of hunters with no civic cohesion that could be subjugated, and Scotland’s impressive Iron Age Hill Forts, some with vitrified fortifications. The Iron Age is a long time I know, so the forts might have been archaic by the time the Romans turned up, but they were still massive undertakings, and surely dependent on some civic cohesion and organised societal development. If the Picts were reduced to primitive lifestyle, then something else pretty cataclysmic must have happened.

      And second, it’s the wall thing. OK, I get building one wall. But, the logic of building two in such relative close proximity does not seem remotely adequately explained. Where else, anywhere, is there evidence or precedent for the Romans advancing their colonial boundary by creeping fortification?

      I can see that both Hadrians wall and the Antonine wall capitalise on river estuaries forming pinch points in the geography, so maybe that meant the British mainland was more susceptible to compartmentalisation, simply because it could be done. Where else throughout the Roman Empire was there landmass offering comparable opportunity? 84 miles length coast to coast to Hadrians wall, 40 miles to the Antonine wall, with Roman Legions who could march 30 miles a day. (ok, maybe not until they’d built roads), but you could probably ride coast to coast on horseback in a day or two. You couldn’t do that in Gaul or Germania.

    318. Alf Baird says:

      John Main @ 9:32 pm

      “Guess I must be a “regressive” nativist. I welcome the rights of nativists everywhere in the world to celebrate their unique cultural identities in their own native lands.”

      Aye the SNP-PC brigade run a mile from the word ‘ethnicity’, despite (or maybe because?) it being so central to the cause of independence, and a standard feature in any national census questionnaire. Postcolonial literature tells us that it is precisely because of the ethnic oppression and marginalisation of a group (by another dominant ethnic group) which brings about calls for their independence and national liberation. This means that the motivation for independence reflects and depends on the solidarity of the oppressed ethnic group, in our case the Scots-speaking Scot. This also explains why most peoples in self-determination conflict are linguistically and hence ethnically divided. It further explains why the bulk of the Scottish independence movement comprises Scots-speakin fowk who hold primarily to a Scottish identity, wi oor langage an cultur helping form our identity. The ethnic oppressions of Scots (speakers) takes a number of forms, some of which are noted here:
      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/08/15/determinants-of-independence-ethnicity/comment-page-1/

    319. John Main says:

      Hatuey now name dropping on his associations with those who have found the cure for cancer but are keeping it quiet because cancer is profitable big pharma.

      Seems like no time (actually it isn’t) since Hatuey was so strongly behind the Covid vaccine arm of big pharma that he was calling for the unvaccinated to be left to die.

      Sheesh.

      Good news that the cancer cure has been found though. That should get this site trending again. Perhaps Hatuey could post more details for us. Seems like no time (again, it isn’t) since he was posting about how thinking the right thoughts makes him feel good.

      You owe it to the world, Hatuey, to proclaim what you know about the cure for cancer. Plus, think how good you will feel once the truth is out there!

    320. Republicofscotland says:

      SNP finger pointing as usual, but Sturgeon has no intentions of getting us out this rancid union, Westminster has been robbing Scotland blind of it wealth for centuries, and will continue to do so.

      Imagine what Scotland’s wealth could be used for if it didn’t go South to London.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19833258.snp-figures-show-westminster-short-changes-scotland-billions%2F

    321. Hatuey says:

      Dan, they (Sturgeon’s SNP) seem to be selling it bit-by-bit, right in front of us.

      “Scots NHS for sale: Firms invited to bid for over 1,500 Scots medical procedures”

      https://archive.fo/wJQMc#selection-1611.0-1611.80

      The term “free at the point of need” has multiple interpretations and leaves open many possibilities for privatisation.

      Procurement in Scotland has already been privatised, putting around 2 billion per annum into the control of private hands.

      Meanwhile, there’s “’Troubling’ concerns over privatisation of National Care Service with another contract going to consultancy giant”, according to The Scotsman.

    322. Ruby says:

      Wow! A cure for cancer has been found!

      That is incredible news.

    323. @Breeks,

      Tacitus (Tasitus or Takitus) was writing about an event that his father in law, Agricola, was involved in,

      Tacitus was in his late 20`s when it happened (83AD) and Agricola was in his 40`s

      there would have been soldiers who were on the campaign still living when Tacitus wrote about it,

      i`m sure there was a battle, he couldn`t have just made it all up,there would have been to many witnesses still living.

    324. Ruby says:

      ‘SNP finger pointing as usual, but Sturgeon has no intentions of getting us out this rancid union’

      Looks like our main problem is how do we get out of this rancid union?

      Any suggestions?

    325. Dan says:

      Ruby says: at 11:26 am

      Wow! A cure for cancer has been found!

      That is incredible news.

      I treated and cured a basal cell carcinoma on my snout with a single vitamin C tablet!
      After months of failing to deal with the issue due to breakdowns in comms and a flat battery in a digital camera, the health service at considerable cost wanted to go down the path of surgery, which would have left me with prominent facial scarring due to them taking a large margin around the cancer to ensure they removed it all, and then applying a skin graft.
      They didn’t want to opt for the more involved Mohs surgery which apparently leaves less scar damage as during that process the surgeon carefully excises rings around the perimeter which are immediately checked under a microscope till they are seen to be clear of cancer cells so no more skin needs removed than is necessary.

      https://www.skincancer.org/treatment-resources/mohs-surgery/

      So the surgery path would have cost the health service many thousands of pounds, yet I fixed it with a single tablet costing pennies.
      I just crushed up the tablet with a bit of water and applied the solution topically to the area till it cleared up in a week or so.
      The oncologist was somewhat miffed when I later met them and they wondered where it had gone. 🙂

    326. Hatuey says:

      John Main: “You owe it to the world, Hatuey, to proclaim what you know about the cure for cancer.”

      I provided a link to a free video that goes into excruciating detail. It includes video witness testimony at senate hearings from multiple parents whose children survived forms of brain cancer that typically leave literally no chance of survival, and yet they’re alive today.

      You have me over a barrel if you want to indulge in mocking or petty point scoring on this subject. I don’t play games when it comes to kids who have cancer.

      And I’ve already said I don’t want to be dragged into another debate about the vaccine. As I understand, Rev Stu doesn’t want to see that either. My opinion on vaccine efficacy, like the “cure for cancer”, is based on data and results.

    327. @Tinto Chiel,

      Edward I not only took our Stone of Destiny or Jacob`s Pillow
      he also took cart loads of our written histories and ancient artifacts,

      the language of the Picts the origins of the Scots the commerce/interaction between other European nations going back millenia,

      Scotland/Caledonia was a civilised country millenia before the Romans turned up,

      all those stories gone,

      all taken by Edward and the English army to eradicate our sense of history.

      “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ? George Orwell.

    328. Ruby says:

      Now that we’ve found a cure for cancer isn’t it time to concentrate on the main problem we have here in Scotland?

      This ‘thicko schemie innumerate to functionally illiterate knuckle dragging moon howling grievance monkey troll with serious mental health issues’ is just wondering if the clever clogs (ie The Bromancers) who post on here have any suggestions as to how we get out of this rancid union or should we just accept that we are fucked?

    329. Hatuey says:

      Dan, that second link/article by Craig Murray is unbelievable. Murray at his best;

      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/11/michael-russell-neo-liberal/

      The evidence is clear… Mike Russell and the SNP want to privatise the NHS and the whole public sector in an independent Scotland. And if we look at the other links provided above, they’ve already started.

    330. Ruby says:

      Dan says:
      8 January, 2022 at 11:56 am

      I treated and cured a basal cell carcinoma on my snout with a single vitamin C tablet!

      Reply

      What a waste of a vitamin C tablet! Could you not just have squeezed it and had the satisfaction of all the puss shooting out and landing on the mirror?

      Normally I wouldn’t be making jokes about cancer but now that we have a cure it’s probably OK?

      The question is did you have cancer or did you just identify as someone with cancer?

    331. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Hatuey at 11:10 am.

      You claimed,

      “Procurement in Scotland has already been privatised, putting around 2 billion per annum into the control of private hands.”

      Do you have a source to back up that claim? I see large NHS lorries arriving at Ninewells Hospital’s loading bay from the national distribution centre at Larkhall two or three times a week.

      It is cheaper to carry out procurement nationally, rather than having individual hospitals and health centres procuring their own requirements (economies of scale).

      Hospitals and health centres in the NHS Tayside area are then supplied from Ninewells.

      “National Services Scotland” is part of NHS Scotland, which is under the control of the Scottish Government.

      A quote from the first link below:-

      “Our contracting and logistics services help save NHSScotland money, which can be redirected into frontline services and patient care. Working together over the last five years, savings in excess of £270 million have been made. As Scotland’s largest procurement organisation, we manage over £1.4 billion in national contracts.

      Our National Distribution Centre in Lanarkshire is home to Scotland’s biggest public sector logistics operation. Every week it delivers over 80,000 items to hospital wards, departments and community centres.”

      https://www.nss.nhs.scot/departments/national-procurement-and-logistics/

      https://www.nss.nhs.scot/browse/procurement-and-logistics

      Which “private hands” control “around 2 billion per annum”?

    332. Hatuey says:

      For anyone who missed it, here’s the link to the video which suggests a cure for cancer was essentially destroyed;

      https://documentary.net/video/burzynski-cancer-is-serious-business/

      It’s a first class video. And I’d be happy to hear opinions from those who took the time to watch it.

    333. Ruby says:

      The evidence is clear… Mike Russell and the SNP want to privatise the NHS and the whole public sector in an independent Scotland.

      Oh no they don’t!
      The SNP don’t want and independent Scotland and that is our main problem.

    334. Ruby says:

      It’s a first class video. And I’d be happy to hear opinions from those who took the time to watch it.

      How will this help us to get out of the rancid Union?

    335. Hatuey says:

      BDTT “ Do you have a source to back up that claim? ”

      I’ll get back to you on that.

    336. Hatuey says:

      Sorry, BDTT, it looks like I could have worded that better. The figure of 1.4 billion I assume is from the previous tax year and given the spend on covid I assumed it would be closer to 2 billion. We will need to wait to see how close it gets.

      There’s a lot of information generally available that points the finger at NSS procurement for the failures as far as PPE supply was concerned during the pandemic. And that’s the sort of failures we can expect when we privatise health. If there’s no profit, there’s no motive (to do things right).

      The procurement system essentially invites private companies to bid for all those contracts and, in doing so, I would argue, puts that money and those services “into the control of private hands.”

      I don’t know what you’d call that if not privatisation… the procurement system is technically under the control of the Government but it’s basically a tax-payer funded system that facilitates the privatisation of NHS procedures and services (1500 of which are referred to in the article).

    337. Hatuey says:

      Okay, time to go do something meaningful…

      Ruby, you sound aggrieved. Did someone hurt your feelings or something?

      I’m not sure the answer to being called a “shit-stirrer” is to intensify your shit stirring and I suspect everyone else is as bored with it as I am.

      No point in responding, I’m gone.

    338. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Hatuey.

      “National Services Scotland” buys in products from suppliers and manufacturers. They have been invited to tender.
      Although NHS Scotland does produce some things “in-house”, eg pharmaceuticals (link below), it obviously has to buy from the marketplace, same as any business.
      I can’t see how buying from companies indicates privatisation of NHS Scotland or any of its parts.

      https://www.nhstayside.scot.nhs.uk/News/Article/index.htm?article=PROD_337065

      https://www.tsquared.co.uk/client-showcase/nhs-tayside-pharmaceuticals-specials-service-facility/

    339. Ruby says:

      This ‘thicko schemie innumerate to functionally illiterate knuckle dragging moon howling grievance monkey troll with serious mental health issues

      is wondering if the SNHS give a contract to Elastoplast to supply them with bandages & plasters if that means the SNHS is being privatised?

      Should the SNHS be making their own bandages & plasters or should the SNP buy the company?

    340. Hatuey says:

      Brain, I understand that the NHS doesn’t manufacture everything, we are talking about procedures though;

      “Scots NHS for sale: Firms invited to bid for over 1,500 Scots medical procedures”

      Medical procedures.

      I provided a link.

    341. Ruby says:

      No point in responding, I’m gone.

      Bye Hatuey

      ‘shit stirrer’ one to add to the list.

    342. John Main says:

      @Alf Baird 10:57 am

      I don’t doubt that the bulk of the Scottish Indy movement consists of those for whom cultural and linguistic identity is paramount.

      I do doubt that that group comprises a large enough fraction of the Scottish population to ever push Indy over the line. Particularly when their percentage of the population is shrinking yearly.

      To me, Indy has always been about the prosperity and well-being of the people of Scotland. By concentrating on that first and foremost, you should be able to build a case for Indy that appeals to Scots of all cultural identities. But TBH, it seems obvious enough to me that the case for Indy has already been made, and that Scots of all identities have voted in favour of it many times.

      So why are we not already an independent nation? Answers on a PC please.

    343. James Che. says:

      Many great thoughtful and intelligent debates on here I wished I had been in, but as usual doing catch up, and will check in on all your links in the evening.

      I agree that the Roman history relating to Scotland can not be relied on, they ( the Romans) certainly did not act as the victors after the battle,
      No Building forts, large long standing villas as in England or taking in supply chains, instead they retreated further south after the supposed battle,
      The weather there is just as cold, frosty, wet and icy in the winter as the rest of Scotland.
      We could presume this was propaganda to soothe the ego, and to give a report back to Rome that looked favourable.

      Different topic (1)
      I had heard a year or two ago that a cure for cancer had been discovered and it had hidden,
      This does not surprise most of us nowadays as there is big money to be made from encouraging continued illnesses and the continuing reliance cancer patients need have hope,

      I remember away back in the 90s the doctors asking my father Whom was told there was little hope of his survival from his cancer, would he consider a new experimental drug on the market, which my father did, he died within a few weeks however.

      5 years later my 1st cousin was told similar with regards his cancer and was offered a new trial medicine for cancer, (same cancer, and in the same area of body as my fathers by the way, but different from my fathers) I presume this type of cancer was employment related, he passed away within the year.

      My sister in law now has cancer, and the doctors have told her that there is not much help for her stage of cancer, however (she ) has been offered a new experimental drug that may cure or not cure her,.
      A definite live guinea pig patient pattern developing within the hospitals covering different parts of Britain over the last 30 to 40 years.
      And all these poorly patients clutch to the hope that that there may be a miracle cure pulled out of the hat, at the last minute, so are falsely becoming laboratory guinea pigs out side the laboratory.

      Unless you are older in age, those patients are being left with no medication or help other than morphine,
      cancer patients, mandatory vaccines, no doctors regardless, Nuremberg code of ethics Phooey , gone.

      As there are for vaccines big pharma and the attached contracts.
      And doctors favouring injections they are paid for per jab which brings in a better income for themselves.

    344. John Main says:

      @Hatuey 12:00

      “I don’t play games when it comes to kids who have cancer”

      Well, well, we have finally identified a subject that Hatuey takes seriously.

      Cos every other subject that comes up, I always conclude, Hatuey is having a laugh.

      Every fucking time.

    345. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Scot Finlayson 12 noon: quite so and since you are here perhaps your memory is better than mine and you can help me.

      I’ve been trying to remember the mediaeval source which claimed the Stone of Destiny was richly carved and not the crude one which used to reside in Westminster Abbey. Have you any idea where I might have read this? it’s being annoying me recently.

    346. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Hatuey.

      I was only taking issue with your (too) broad statement – “Procurement in Scotland has already been privatised, putting around 2 billion per annum into the control of private hands” – as procurement hasn’t been privatised.

      The issue of inviting tenders for medical procedures is a different (contoversial) flask o’ hough.

    347. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      contoversial = controversial

    348. Sarah says:

      O/T Excellent article by Breeks on Barrhead Boy: he points out that the Declaration of Arbroath, our Constitution, says if the leader fails to protect us from England, then the leader can be replaced. Breeks says the FM should be impeached and replaced.

      I agree.

      Problem is, given the craven SNP group, who is going to do this? We have no other representative body – no civil service, Second House, militia even. And the media will continue to cover her back.

    349. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi James Che.

      You may find these of interest.

      https://sashamaps.net/docs/maps/roman-roads-of-britain/

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/victius/5132652048

      That second one – after you dismiss the cookie dialogue, you can zoom in two or three times to closely inspect the map.

    350. Cherrybank says:

      Last night I watched a lecture on You Tube by Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago on ‘Why is Ukraine the West’s Fault?’Some of the thoughts I picked up from the lecture are as follows. Realpolitik requires a buffer zone between Superpowers and their opponents,the USA has the Monroe doctrine.NATO should encourage Ukraine to be a neutral state and negotiate the best possible terms with Russia to recognise that status. Crimea is now part of Russia and will never be returned to Ukraine. Should Russia invade Ukraine it will further weaken a declining Superpower.

    351. James Che. says:

      Subject (2)

      We need independence now, not tomorrow.
      We need to make a break for it before we are consumed by the destruction of Britain.
      For without a doubt there seems to be a larger plan to disconnect us from,

      communities, families, education, local facilities, friends, police, justice, Councils, infrastructure, freedom of speech, freedom to live in your own environment, NHS and employment. Local shops, energy supplies without ready alternatives.

      Britain is deliberately destroying itself. For none could be so blind to be so ignorant. Brexit happened for this purpose, to be able to change laws and society but follow the same pattern as other build back better enthusiasts around the world.

      We are sleep walking.
      We are being told to wait until it is to late to recover our communities, and society.
      When all is fragmented.
      The great reset will not move the citizens forward to a better future.
      But backwards to no heating, poverty stricken, no freedom of speech without serving jail time, restrictions on movement and reliant to comply OR your government allowance will be withdrawn.

      Scotland and its people needs to stop this stupidity, for wether you are a Scot, a pict, an Irish person, Italian, Chinese, polish, american, or an English person living in Scotland, you will not escape the planned destruction of Great Britain unless Scotland separates and ends the treaty of union to go it own way for the sake of all citizens living in Scotland. That includes you.

      This is no longer about England versus Scotland or Scotland versus England, this is about all of those people living here having a good life, a good home a good education and a loving integrated family with a close knit community. With appropriate facilities for our health and wellbeing,
      No one persons happiness looks to be guaranteed in Britain for the near future.

      If I an unable to convince any of those who cannot see how Britain is in a downward spiral,

      Then stand aside for we want a brighter future for our children, our grandchildren, and selfish though it maybe, for ourselves,
      Why wait to be happy ? or have continued contentment plus happiness of you’re family, community and wellbeing.

      Let the people whom live in Scotland breakaway from this downward spiral. That brings misery to all.

      In Scotland over 50% of people want to have a chance to change our futures, wether we fail or win,
      It will at least be up to us.

      An Independence from the rest of Britain is the our option now, today. NOT tomorrow or in two years time.
      For then it will be to late,
      For to quote the queen bee,
      “Nothing will be the same after the Lurgie” or my version “ Build back brutally for the citizens”

    352. Andy Ellis says:

      @John Main 1.24pm

      “I don’t doubt that the bulk of the Scottish Indy movement consists of those for whom cultural and linguistic identity is paramount.”

      It may be paramount for a relatively small minority, including a voluble claque in here, but for the bulk of the movement I’d say that such identities are only a part of the overall picture: not that a sense of cultural and linguistic identity is unimportant, just that it’s kind of a given. I don’t think most Scots are particularly bothered about linguistic issues with respect to the Scots language or Gaelic, certainly linguistic issues could hardly be said to be as central to Scottish nationalism as French is in Quebec nationalism, or Catalan in Catalonian nationalism or Welsh etc., etc.?

      There are a whole raft of issues that comprise a commitment to self determination, including economic factors, the belief that socially just policies will be easier to enact and fund, or even just that we should be able to ensure that our policy priorities and not those of English voters, are ultimately enacted, ideas of promoting equality and open government which are seen to be at odds with the crypto-medieval Westminster system…the list could go on.

      Different people have different policy priorities of course, but you can’t really argue that Scots don’t see themselves as distinct, as the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey shows year after year.

      I’d agree the group you’re discussing doesn’t “comprises a large enough fraction of the Scottish population to ever push Indy over the line”, BUT that isn’t the group that will be going it. They’re only a small proportion of the overall movement, just as pro-independence conservatives are a relatively small proportion.

      Achieving a pro-indy majority and achieving independence presupposes lots of groups working together: sometimes it will be harmonious, sometimes it won’t. It *might* be done as part of an inclusive “big tent” as per 2012-14, or it might be done on the back of lots of otherwise mutually hostile groups co-operating for a common goal. As I and others have said before, it’d be hard to see ourselves campaigning shoulder to shoulder with Sturgeonista loyalists who have spent the past several years othering and abusing large sections of their own support as transphobes, social conservatives and unwelcome in “their” movement.

    353. Breeks says:

      Scot Finlayson says:
      8 January, 2022 at 11:41 am

      i`m sure there was a battle, he couldn`t have just made it all up,there would have been to many witnesses still living….

      I don’t think he’d have made it up at all, but apparently it is a little unusual that there’s no mention of it or corroboration from other sources. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear.

      I’m actually about to delve into a translation of the Lanercost Chronicle, though I don’t know how far I’ll get. There’s a warning in the introduction that I,“… must not be offended at the bitter partisanship of a writer living just over the Border”. Ha! Ha! Warning noted.

      As far as I know, the account of Robert the Bruce on the eve of Bannockburn, rising up in the stirrups as his horse flitted aside to avoid the rash lance of a charging Henry de Bohun, then breaking his favorite battle axe as he split the poor Sir Henry to the navel, is only ever mentioned in the Lanercost Chronicle. So who knows if it’s true or dramatic license, but I don’t have any evidence to dispute it.

      I believe the Lanercost Chronicle goes on to attribute the victory of the Scots to being more “Godly” than the English, getting to their knees and praying for deliverance and victory before the battle commenced. True? Or a monk’s embellishment? Who knows, but it’s the account we have. I’ve also read the victory at Bannockburn was down to the grim and well drilled professional discipline of the merciless Scottish Schiltrons. Now that I can believe.

      I just like to maintain a healthy degree of cynicism of everything I hear or read, and see whether there are different perspectives which might be conflicting.

    354. John Main says:

      @Andy Ellis 2:42

      Lots to agree with in your post.

      Have you heard the rumoured proposal that is being touted as the best way to beat the Tories at the next Westminster GE?

      There is talk of a Labour-SNP coalition after Labour get themselves a new leader (or Blair returns). The arithmetic ensures that Labour can never again win a UK majority when nobody in Scotland will vote for them, but add Scotland en masse via the SNP (victory has already been announced) to a good Labour result in England and Wales and the Tories can be beat.

      It’s an intriguing idea, but the obvious follow-on would have to be that Scotland would stay in the UK for another 5 years. Given the fanatical single-minded determination of every man, woman and other in the SNP regime in pursuit of early Indy, we can clearly see why this proposal is ludicrous.

      Haud oan…

    355. Ruby says:

      James Che. says:

      We need independence now, not tomorrow.

      Nobody has any suggestions on how we go about gaining independence.

    356. robbo says:

      Now here’s a point Sturgeon and the SNP need to answer . Considering Hunters ton is now shut and that serviced a quarter of Scotland I believe. What are we going to do now- There’s no fecking renewables up to the job yet! .

      So this guy Paul’s point needs addressed also.

      https://twitter.com/Rogue_74/status/1479504648520310788

      Maybe you can answer Wishart- no doubt you’re reading?

    357. Andy Ellis says:

      @John Main 3.14 pm

      No I hadn’t, but I’ve given up on SNP/Labour kremlinology to be honest. It would hardly be surprising if sections of the SNP were keen to cosy up to the New Labour types as many of them are simply Labour retreads when they saw the way Labour was headed in Scotland. It’s analogous to mediocre male athletes identifying as female to become “world class”, or olympians or get sponsor money and college scholarships.

      My own view – which may not be what Alba as a party decides – is they should ignore Westminster elections altogether, or at most announce they’d “do a Sinn Fein” and not take their seats. Realistically tho’, barring some political earthquake between now and the next WM GE &/or a total SNP meltdown, there isn’t much likelihood of Alba winning more than a token number of WM seats, so why bother..?

      Concentrate on local elections, building the party, and ensuring we can gain enough MSPs at Holyrood to hold a gun to the heads of the feckless devolutionists in the SNP and Greens.

    358. Dan says:

      @ robbo

      Aye, I’m in the process of yet again switching energy suppliers as I appear to jinx them every time I move to a new one. 🙁
      I clocked that tweet this morning and thought that is yet another addition to my ever expanding album series of SNP remixes of the song “All the things she said…”
      She / her spouting pish like that may keep the simple minds happy, but not so much cheer for anybody that has a memory with greater recall than a goldfish.

      For all the energy I actually use as a Greta T’s poster pinup thing, I’m getting near the point of just telling the leccy suppliers to stick their connection up their arse and I’ll just create my own energy supply using a bit of my thicko, moonhowling, roaster, natavist, squatter (to unstable an early life to be a schemie) ingenuity. 😉

    359. robbo says:

      Aye Dan.

      She is the master of baby boxes though LOL.

    360. @Tinto Chiel,

      glad you asked 🙂

      when the tribe that was to become the Scots were on their migration from Greater Sythia they stopped of in Egypt where the leader saved an Egyptian Princess,

      they escaped from Egypt with the princess and with her was the Pillow of Jacob,

      the Pillow of Jacob was the stone that Jacob slept against when he had the vision of stairs to heaven,

      the stone had been sacred by the followers of the Old Testements ,which the princess was and why she had been condemned by the Pharaoh

      the stone was said to have never been touched by chisel or hammer but original as it was when Jacob rested on it,

      the Stone came with the `Scots` all the way to Scotland and referred to as The Stone of Destiny,

      thus , no the stone would not be heavily engraved,

      It says something about this in the bible but am going for a pint and a Lagavulin 16 chaser so no time to find the link.

    361. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Scot: enjoy your malt and your musing 😉 .

      I did read some account which mentioned intricate work on the stone but of course where I now can’t remember and in any case the “information” may itself have been an embellishment.

    362. James Che. says:

      Brian doontheoon.

      Thanks for the link. Will read & catch up on all links this evening as I have a bit of time now sister in law in hospital and being seen to over wkend,
      Still walking two dogs though and seeing to two houses, but a reprieve of time nonetheless.

      Not been able to metal detect for a while due to circumstances, However when I do it covers three counties/ districts, and have as yet found no roman artefacts, covering a twenty year period.

      If the Romans were in this part of Scotland it must have been brief and intermittent for they have left little behind other than occasional used fortlets, rather than regularly used forts on a large scale.

      Maps and links such as you suggest are invaluable and are always a good guideline for direction of travel and occupation,
      However we are not allowed to search the actual sites as they are protected, the surrounding areas show little involvement from the Romans or intergration as you would find down south, or near the borders.

      One or two stashes of Roman coins have been found by accident, but these are in isolation,
      Archaeologists suggest that these may have been to buy peace by the Romans from the Picts or Scots, but the coins were then hidden and the Picts, Scots or Caledonians still went of to do battle

    363. James Che. says:

      Tinto chiel,

      Are the no old drawings never mind photographs of the stone of Destiny?
      Surely when the later kings came to be crowned in Scotland pre— union their must have been some body that recorded this in art work or some very early tourist that took a photograph.
      Even the victors May have described it.
      How do we know which stone is true, perhaps it did not even sit underneath Elizabeth 11 when she sat on the thrown in England during her coronation.

      Are there no attached to drawings of the Scottish regalia for crowning kings or queens?

    364. robbo says:

      SNP

      Now they’re after Rabbie Burns FFS. He wasn’t even born and just commented on it and wrote poems.

      When will this shit end?

      The only witches we have these days reside at Bute house and some in SNP – IMHO

    365. Ruby says:

      robbo

      I thought you were going to say it was because of his
      transphobic poem

      ‘A Man’s a Man for a’ That’

      Statue safe for the moment:
      https://archive.is/KJYAh

    366. Hatuey says:

      “Now they’re after Rabbie Burns”

      But for luck, BLM might have been after him too.

    367. robbo says:

      Hatuey says:
      9 January, 2022 at 12:16 am
      “Now they’re after Rabbie Burns”

      But for luck, BLM might have been after him too.

      ———–

      Is that right Hatuey eh

      When are you going to support All lives matter?

      I don’t give a fuck what colour a man or woman is- if their ok wae me I’m ok wae them.

      You feckers with the “Messiah Complex” that can do no wrong need to have a look in the mirror. Life is shit and bad things happen all over the world and have been for centuries.

      I’m sure “Africa” have had many tribal chief’s and tyrants over the centuries or Millenia who were absolute twats and killed hundreds of thousands of people(even their own kin). Get off yir sanctimonious high horse. There comes a time when yo have to say – enough is enough.

      Or. Are they going to start going after the rulers of the ancient world too ? The likes of Genghis Khan , Attila the hun , Julius Cesar aand the like are all kaking they’re pants from BLM I’m sure.

    368. Ruby says:

      ‘When are you going to support All lives matter?’

      But that’s not trendy!

      Hautey likes to be trendy!

    369. Hatuey says:

      Maybe the issues are more complicated than either of you are able to understand. I think we’d be given you the benefit of the doubt if we were to say that.

      Nobody is denying that all lives matter. The slogan “black lives matter” is intended to address the reality that black lives, even today, largely as a consequence of historical issues like imperialism and slavery, but also as a consequence of continuing racism, seem to be treated as if they are of less value.

      You can attack me all you like for communicating this to you but I’m simply relaying what BLM and others on that side of the equation think. I’m not sure why any of this would make you angry unless you were indeed a racist…

      As for Burns, everybody knows he had accepted a position in the Caribbean on a slave plantation and would have gone if his book of poetry never had such a surprising degree of success. Again, feel free to attack me for that, get angry, etc., but that’s the facts as I understand them.

      Wouldn’t it be easier to just read about stuff?

    370. Hatuey says:

      Ruby, be honest, don’t you ever feel exclamation marks are a bit…

      Well, maybe they’re okay for women.

      ?

    371. Ruby says:

      Maybe the issues are more complicated than either of you are able to understand

      Here we go again!

      Hautey says we are thickos!

      Not just thickos but also racists!

      Racist! Another one to add to the list.

      ‘thicko schemie shit stirring innumerate to functionally illiterate knuckle dragging moon howling grievance monkey racist troll with serious mental health issues’

      Ach! It could be worse I could be a cunt like Hautey & Ellis!

    372. Ruby says:

      Maybe the issues are more complicated than either of you are able to understand

      Here we go again!

      Hautey says we are thickos!

      Not just thickos but also racists!

      Racist! Another one to add to the list.

      ‘thicko schemie shit stirring innumerate to functionally illiterate knuckle dragging moon howling grievance monkey racist troll with serious mental health issues’

      Ach! It could be worse I could be a cunt like Hautey & Ellis!

    373. Ruby says:

      Hatuey says:
      9 January, 2022 at 2:39 am
      Ruby, be honest, don’t you ever feel exclamation marks are a bit…

      Well, maybe they’re okay for women.

      Reply

      Can you explain what you mean by the term ‘women’

      I promise I will read what you say and do my very best to understand. If I don’t I will seek help from my carer.

      PS Do all lives matter to you? Even schemies? Or are the lives of us schemies of less value? Do you feel we merit being called names?

      When you use the term we as in:
      I think we’d be given you the benefit of the doubt if we were to say that.

      Does this we = You and Ellis aka ‘The Bromancers’
      Hey do you ever get jealous when your Bromance partner is off bromancing Stu on Gettr?

    374. Dorothy Devine says:

      Ruby , don’t tell me they’re trying to ruin that as well?

      They seem singularly self important and singularly judgemental of everyone – despite promising never to make further communication with those ‘beneath’ them they continue to write a plethora of mince on this site.

    375. Tinto Chiel says:

      @James Che: the stone (or should I say a stone) was stolen by Edward I in 1296 and I doubt any drawing of it before then would still exist, especially given the English monarch’s obsessive confiscation/destruction of Scottish documents and artifacts and the tremendous damage done to our churches, abbeys, castles, palaces and towns generally (think Berwick!).

      The stone supposedly repatriated recently may be a stank/syver cover for all we know and it gives me a wry smile to think that Teddy Boy may have been palmed off with a piece of junk by some cleric with a sense of humour.

      The biggest laugh is that Edward had Pax inscribed on his tomb, when Pox was probably more appropriate.

    376. Ruby says:

      Ruby , don’t tell me they’re trying to ruin that as well?

      I don’t know exactly what they are trying to do. They are definitely not trying to win friends & influence people.

      Ellis writes:
      ‘It may be paramount for a relatively small minority, including a voluble claque in here’

      The curious thing is that Ellis gets very upset if someone calls him ‘English Ellis’

      Hopefully neither of them will be out canvassing for Alba!

      I almost never use the c word but I thought it was the perfect word to describe those two.

    377. John Main says:

      James Che

      [spoiler alert – the following post contains irony]

      If you do find any Roman artefacts, I hope you will follow the current fashion and throw them straight in the sea.

      A cursory look at Roman history makes it clear that they were the Third Reich of their day. To show any interest in their history or maintain a collection of their artefacts is comparable to being an expert on Nazi policies with a room stuffed with banners, dummies wearing SS uniforms and speeches by Der Fuhrer playing on a loop.

      Nobody suffered more than the inhabitants of Gaul (roughly coincident with today’s Northern France). Even the Roman senate was appalled at the depredations of Julius Caesar when he slaughtered and enslaved the population as part of his unauthorised expansion of the Roman Empire.

    378. Andy Ellis says:

      @Ruby 10.22 am

      “I don’t know exactly what they are trying to do. They are definitely not trying to win friends & influence people.”

      Because calling people cunts and using or applauding the use of the epithet “English Ellis” is winning friends and influencing folk is it Ruby? Perhaps little better can be expected of a foul mouthed harridan sitting in her piss soaked Tena lady pants as she obsessively derails BTL comments here, but better might have been expected from the likes of Grouse Beater.

      Perhaps nativism does something to folk? substitute “Irish”, “Pakistani”, “Afghan” or “Iraqi” for English and consider how that sounds to “New” Scots who might be wondering whether to support independence, or how it sounds to others in the movement. Would Alba as a party approve of casually throwing “English” around as an intentional insult?

      “Hopefully neither of them will be out canvassing for Alba!”

      Doubtless I will when required. Founder member #1448. I’m not sure foul mouthed harpies who use WoS to routinely call people cunts will be much in demand tho. If I was looking to convince undecided voters or to convert No’s to Yessers or SNP voters to Alba voters, someone with your manifest personality defects would probably be best kept behind the scenes….far behind…preferably still at home.

      For someone who never uses the c-word, you certainly make up for it in here. Doesn’t say much for your character of your vocabulary, but that’s pretty evident from you online persona anyway.

      I don’t know Hatuey except from interactions on here. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don’t. Same goes for Rev Stu when it comes to it. He at least seems to be a reasonable person you could sit and have a drink with and have a reasonable argument with. You and a few others on here however come across as total loons: I wouldn’t give any of you the steam off my piss.

      Your propensity to characterise anyone agreeing with someone else as a “bromance” just looks a bit lame, or probably more likely in your case a wee bit prejudiced. Par for the course from nativists who think it’s fine to use “English” as an insult I suppose?

    379. Republicofscotland says:

      Says it all really.

      “ONLY one question about preparations for a second independence referendum was asked in the previous Holyrood term by a SNP MSP.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19834317.holyrood-msps-choose-focus-last-term%2F

    380. Republicofscotland says:

      “The Northern Ireland economy was outperforming the rest of the UK, according to figures published by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) in November.”

      Thanks to Sturgeon the Betrayer of Scots, we remain outside the EU market, whilst NI’s economy grows.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19834340.brexit-success-island-ireland-shows-scotland-missing%2F

    381. Andy Ellis says:

      @Hateuy 2.18 am

      At the risk of fuelling the fires of our bromance that unaccountably seems to turn Ruby and her other knuckle dragging chums on here on so much, it’s always a huge tell when folk come out with the “but, but.. ALL lives matter”. It doesn’t automatically make them a racist, but it’s a huge red flag of course.

      The line between the sub-UKIP “I’m not a racist but….” or “taking the knee is offensive and deserves to be booed” or “there are too many foreigners here”, and the views of some of the movement’s barrel scrapings posting in here is pretty thin of course. They’ve been emboldened in here recently right enough, but thankfully they still represent only a tiny minority of the whole.

      Doubtless some of them will find their way to GETTR too, but hopefully they’ll be relatively easy to spot, mute and block. Early days for that place as an alternative, but quite a few old lags from Twitter are turning up. Unlike Parler and Gab it seems like it might attract enough pro-indy, progressive and GC types to outweigh the plethora of US alt-right and anti-vaxx crazies?

    382. Republicofscotland says:

      SNP government appoint three chiefs to it new nationalised railway network, one has not one days experience of running a railway, the other has conflicting interests, and all are to be paid handsomely, and rail fares in Scotland are to rise by 3.8%.

      “Kevin Lindsay, of train drivers’ union Aslef, said: “I question why ScotRail needs a chief operating officer, a managing director and a chief executive officer all on six-figure salaries and all being paid for by the public purse.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyrecord.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fscottish-news%2Fincoming-chief-executive-new-scots-25892940

    383. Republicofscotland says:

      Good riddance to bad rubbish I say Rhiannon Spear quitting politics are council chases her for unpaid council tax.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyrecord.co.uk%2Fnews%2Frising-star-snp-quitting-politics-25892110

    384. James Che. says:

      Can any one give me info on the libertarian party in Scotland and Tam Baird?
      saw him in an interview, he was talking some common sense, but I really do not know enough of his or his parties background to make any judgements yet.

      MSM are not the go to, for information.

      I think in this the independence supporters are the wiser option.

      Many thanks in advance.

    385. Ruby says:

      Andy Ellis says
      9 January, 2022 at 10:55 am
      @Ruby 10.22 am

      blah blah blah blah blah

      Imagine taking time to write that long post to a

      ‘thicko schemie shit stirring innumerate to functionally illiterate knuckle dragging moon howling grievance monkey racist troll natavist with serious mental health issues’

      Now I can add natavist to the list.

      Next!

    386. James Che. says:

      John main.

      Anything I find of significance is always run by museums or archaeologists to ensure I am not throwing away our history.
      Sometime it’s returned with a letter explaining artefact, some time they keep it, and offer to pay for it.
      Other times i loan it to the museums for educational display in the museum such as the Bronze Age tripod cooking pot in Edinburgh museum,
      However luckily I have not had to make a decision on Roman artefacts as I have never found any at all in my area of Scotland.

    387. Ruby says:

      Still waiting for Hatuey to explain what he means by the term ‘woman’

    388. robbo says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      9 January, 2022 at 11:16 am
      @Hateuy 2.18 am

      At the risk of fuelling the fires of our bromance that unaccountably seems to turn Ruby and her other knuckle dragging chums on here on so much, it’s always a huge tell when folk come out with the “but, but.. ALL lives matter”. It doesn’t automatically make them a racist, but it’s a huge red flag of course.

      ———–

      Is it really a red flag? Seriously you two are quite extraordinary. If you think ALL lives matter is a red flag for racism then we really have no hope. You will notice I did not use the term “White lives matter” or “Asian lives matter” or “indigenous people lives matter” (if that’s the term used for aboriginals, Indians and island folk- I really can’t keep up with what and what not I am allowed to say these days. It’s quite ridiculous.ALL lives matter because All human lives matter you absolute muppet!

      The word called “murder” for the most heinous of crimes whether someone is black, white, Asian or other. It matters not what colour their skin is. The precise definition of murder varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and country to country.
      “The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.”

      It does not distinguish itself on the colour of someone’s skin. Hence why I personally say ALL lives matter.

      George Floyd’s murder was heinous and the culprits got what they deserved under the law. BLM came out of that murder but is being used as weapon and it will all end in tears IMHO.

      So fire away Ellis and Hatuey and tell me why All lives matter is racist?

      https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/murder – US

      PS I’m not a learned man .Just a simple common man of no status but I’m street wise enough to know when I see a pair JERIMIES.

    389. James Che. says:

      Tinto chiel.

      I have been trying to do a bit of research by tracing its journeying around the country,

      After Edward the 1 stole it from Scotland.

      Henry 1V was crowned in a chair that was made to hold the stone in 1399.

      William 111 sitting on the st Edwards chair made for holding the stone used it in 1689.

      Oliver Cromwell removed the chair and stone from the Abbey and took it to Westminster Hall, where he was installed upon it as Lord protector.

      Queen Victoria used the chair in 1887 for golden jubilee in the Abby,

      During the Second World War, the stone and chair were evacuated to Gloucester Cathedral, and the stone was secretly buried in the Abby.

      In 1950 the Scottish people took the stone back to Scotland, but Westminster and England in general considered the Scots had stolen it ?………….oh the irony of that thought.
      And sent the police to look for it.

      After that it supposedly was kept in a vault, In which it had previously been stored during World War Two,
      Which I would presume was Gloucester Abbey, and secretly buried in a vault,

      In 2010 The chair was in St George’s Chapel in the west nave for conservation work, ( no mention of the stone.)

      So as to the last known whereabouts of the stone, buried in a vault in Gloucester Abbey.

      So did the Scots actually return the original stolen stone of destiny Scotland or a rough copy made during ww2.

      Well some of myths or truths of the stones originality could be tested by scientists and other experts

      For the original stone of destiny was anointed with oils from ancient times.
      If the original stone was hewed out of red sandstone (which may be dubious ) then this stone would absorb the oils and residues would be in the stone to this day.

      The second myth or truth, Is that Kennith MAC Alpin was supposed to have wrote the following on the stone of destiny.
      [ IF FATES GO RIGHT’ WHERE’ER THIS STONE IS FOUND.
      THAT SCOTS SHALL MONARCH OF THE REALM BE CROWNED.

      Whether myths or truth, the stone is said to come from Egypt and would be geologically different in composition from British stones.

      However with the major events that the English used the stone of destiny after they stole it, you would have thought that there were recorded drawings or paintings of those events that included the Scottish Stone of Destiny

      One thing for sure the English had a believe that Scotland would not have a monarch as long as they held onto the Stone, and this appears to be so with history as far as history goes.

      Which begs the question, has the original stone of destiny actually been returned to Scotland as Westminster claims, I am a bit dubious to the sincerity of that statement.

      Perhaps it is still buried.

    390. Andy Ellis says:

      @robbo 12.37 pm

      I’m not sure what it is that you find objectionable. It’s unexceptional for anyone who purports to be politically progressive to feel that most if not all of those indulging in “all lives matter” whataboutery need to give their heads a shake.

      You’re either being disingenuous or you’re just a bit dim: neither is a particularly good look. Like so many others you’re pirouetting frantically on the head of a pin trying to distance your self from the muppets who do purposefully use the “all lives matter” schtick as a proxy for unsavoury alt-right regressive ideas. Like I said it’s not automatic, but it IS hugely suggestive. You’re free to disagree. Big whoop.

      No idea what a JERIMIE is. Doubtless you will be along directly to stun us with your explanation and with. I’m sure Hatuey is as excited* as me.

      *baffled

    391. Hatuey says:

      “a foul mouthed harridan sitting in her piss soaked Tena lady pants as she obsessively derails BTL comments…”

      And people wonder why I come here.

      John Main, history isn’t an historical issue. I tried to explain that to you before.

      You seem to be saying we should ignore the crimes of the past, or something, because things were different back then, or something. I look forward to seeing you explain that to those who insist on endlessly discussing Culloden and other historical issues on here.

      I’ve not said anything in support of destroying monuments and statues. I don’t know why you keep going on about it. I won’t pretend I’m offended by it either but I think the arguments for destroying say Colston’s statue are better than the arguments for keeping it.

      The important thing is that we accept and acknowledge the truth.

    392. Ruby says:

      No idea what a JERIMIE is

      Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    393. Ruby says:

      “a foul mouthed harridan sitting in her piss soaked Tena lady pants as she obsessively derails BTL comments…”

      Whoever she might be she seems to have quite a lot of power!

      Are you not able to just ignore her?

      PS What is a ‘woman’?

    394. James Che. says:

      I can honestly say all lives matter,
      As I am not prejudice either way being as I am colour blind. As are many people.
      I did not know we were even considered white until I was thirty two years old,

      As untanned people are a sort of greyish pink to red to me,

      And anyone with a tan are orange/ green to me.

      And those whom are darker tanned are blue/ brown.

      With this confusion of colour spectrum
      I have treated all people with the same equal respect, because in my eyes we are all coloured.

    395. Republicofscotland says:

      I know I’ve said this before, about STV being a Scottish channel in name only, but yesterday they carried an English footy game and today they’re carrying another English footy game, the channel should be named Sellout TV not Scottish tv, for it carries no Scottish content only English content via ITV.

      Scots are so conditioned to this now that you barely read any complaints about it.

    396. wee monkey says:

      Well what an apt thread title this is as my sitting MP is none other than the bullshitter himself.

      Had an interesting E mail this morning, no not from him, it was from British Gas, this being of interest as I had initially signed contract with British Gas Evolve however it seems these power suppliers can do whatever they want, even dissolve and absorb sub divisions never mind contracts or any of that legalese nonsense but I digress.

      The E mail was to remind me that my tariff was due to expire and as there ain’t that much opposition left these days that I had two options. Find somebody else or go from, and this is a direct quote:-

      Online Fixed v.3 and this costs £1283.16 per year

      to

      Exclusive Fixed Energy v8 @ £3182.21

      Now this isn’t even a 100% increase — a quick bit of mental arithmetic shows a rise of 147.99% !

      Now I am fully aware that the members of the SNP Westminster Group are more than likely to pass this off as an legitimate expense however what about the rest of us with families looking at the prospect of bankruptcy or warmth ?

      PROPHECY

      The political party that can reduce or reverse these changes will have a very good chance of gaining power for quite some substantial time …..

      Oh and please don’t try and insult me/us by referring to sturgeons broken national power company, another one of her little LIES

    397. wee monkey says:

      Hatuey says:
      9 January, 2022 at 1:26 pm

      The important thing is that we accept and acknowledge the truth.

      I believe “we” have already done that when “we” abolished slavery between 1807 and 1833, in the process buying the freedom of slaves to the cost of, in todays terms, about £16bn, which was paid of in 2015.

      So perhaps the reason for the statues was actually remind us of the EVIL that could hide in open view….

    398. John Main says:

      Andy Ellis

      I see you using the “P” word again, “progressive”, in the belief that it excuses everything, right up to and including denial of reality itself.

      One of its popular uses right now is to justify racism on the convoluted grounds that some racisms are better than others. Ordinary people without agenda rightly see that as mince, and go on to see any other opinions held by the mince-spouters as iffy. Opinions on Scottish Indy for example.

      The most fantastic aspect of the whole thing is that this subset of progressive opinion is galvanised by perceived injustices arising in a foreign country over which the Scots have zero control or influence, even at government level, and of course, zero responsibility.

      Posters here constantly go on about colonialism yet seem to be completely blind to the cultural colonialism that serves to divert us from action on the concerns that affect us to fashionable virtue-signalling causes. These fashionable virtue-signalling causes are so good at sabotaging efforts for Indy, and indeed everything else that might just help to improve the lives of ordinary Scots, that moonhowlers could almost believe they are being promoted for that reason.

    399. Ruby says:

      There aren’t many black people in Scotland. I’m trying hard to think of one black person that I know.

      I don’t think black racism is a big problem in Scotland.
      If it were I doubt if screaming at people saying ‘you are racist and so were your ancestors’ is going to help.

      We do have other very serious problems here in Scotland that need to be highlighted that is probably why people are saying all lives matter not because they are black racists.

      When I lived in London I met loads of black people on a daily basis. They were just people like everyone else. I did not witness any black racism.

    400. Dan says:

      Yawn…
      She / her giving it big #GrievoMax licks at the possibility of Westminster stopping funding of free lateral flow tests.
      Top tip and reminder for the seemingly eternal waffler of albeit well presented pish:-
      If Scotland was independent we’d have full control of all manners of powers to better serve and protect Scotland’s best interests.
      HTH

    401. robbo says:

      Ellis

      “a foul mouthed harridan sitting in her piss soaked Tena lady pants as she obsessively derails BTL comments…”

      eh!

      Is that the way you speak to your mother or sister? Whether you agree or not with her politics and the way she expresses them.

      You sound like a fecking “borg”- you will be assimilated into the Ellis way or no way.

      How very progressive of you.

    402. Ebok says:

      Andy Ellis says:
      9 January, 2022 at 1:12 pm
      @robbo 12.37 pm
      ‘I’m not sure what it is that you find objectionable.

      What I find objectionable is that racism is continually used as a distraction by the powerful, often via the soundbite ‘we celebrate Multiculturalism’ which is promoted to such an extent that anyone disagreeing with the term is classified as racist. Rarely is cultural pluralism mentioned.

      It is regrettable that BLM didn’t spread the net a little wider in selecting grievance targets. Most poor people – billions – live with the same discrimination as displaced black people, do so all their lives, and have done so long before Africans were enslaved and shipped to the Americas.
      Anyone who watched Roots ‘way back in the day could not have failed to be moved by the history and suffering of Africans then, and since, and understand that the issues Martin Luther King campaigned on have only been partially successful.
      But just because the affluent liberal class choose not to notice or acknowledge all suffering when there are easy diversions available, does not mean that we should focus on selected injustices when there are thousands to choose from.

      @Hateuy said this: –
      ‘Nobody is denying that all lives matter. The slogan “black lives matter” is intended to address the reality that black lives, even today, largely as a consequence of historical issues like imperialism and slavery, but also as a consequence of continuing racism, seem to be treated as if they are of less value.’

      Try inserting ‘poor’ rather than ‘black’ and ‘subjugation’ rather than ‘racism’ viz

      Nobody is denying that all lives matter. The slogan “POOR lives matter” is intended to address the reality that POOR lives, even today, largely as a consequence of historical issues like imperialism and slavery, but also as a consequence of continuing SUBJUGATION, seem to be treated as if they are of less value.

      And all credit to him, however, for an earlier 4-word post, when he was unambiguous in his view that peasants ARE of less value, inferring perhaps that being vociferous about racism doesn’t prevent academics from making a comment that could be construed as…racist.

      Hatuey says:
      6 January, 2022 at 11:00 pm
      ‘The peasants are revolting…’

      PEASANTS: – derogatory; small farmers or labourers of low social rank; coarse, unsophisticated, boorish, uneducated, of little financial means.

      REVOLTING: – highly offensive; arousing aversion or disgust
      disgusting, distasteful, foul, loathsome, repellent, skanky, wicked, yucky

    403. Andy Ellis says:

      @robbo 2.45 pm

      No, because in their case it wouldn’t be merited, and they have more class than to continually call people cunts.

      You saying I’m demanding assimilation or that I think it should be my way or the highway and it actually being true are two circles that intersect at no point. It’s the usual MO of unthinking trolls everywhere: assert that people are trying to silence and you, then play the victim for evermore.

      Nobody is stopping her or anyone else make what passes for their point, often at considerable length. Of course in Ruby’s case it mostly consists of calling folk cunts, and nobody is stopping her doing that either. Doubtless she and her worldview appeal to some within the movement: whether it’s an approach that attracts more people than it repels remains to be seen.

    404. Hatuey says:

      It’s time to generalise.

      Anyone that thinks the average white person living n the UK

    405. Hatuey says:

      Apologies… effing new iPad.

      Ahem.

      Anyone that thinks the average poor white person living in the UK is as poor as the average impoverished African, is quite simply detached from reality.

    406. Hatuey says:

      Everything you say about the “colonised” history of Scotland, the subjugation of Scottish people, all the emphasis you put on history, the exploitation, the cultural and ethnic prejudice you feel you face as Scots, the linguistic prejudice, the economic and political domination, all of that stuff, it’s basically the same argument that BLM makes about the plight of black people.

      Why then would you deny to Africans today the same arguments you make for yourselves? That in itself is a racist position.

      The big difference is that Africans really were brutally colonised. There’s no debate about that. We didn’t just steal their land and resources, we stole the people themselves too.

      The average African slave working on a Scottish sugar plantation would be lucky to live 2 or 3 years. That’s how bad conditions were. You know what though, nobody cared, that was the cost of doing business and African lives were cheap… they simply replaced them with new slaves, hundreds of thousands of them, on and on for decades.

      And that’s why Africa and Africans today remain impoverished and powerless. It’s structural. On the other side of the coin, it’s why we are relatively rich with big fancy buildings, all sorts of industrial infrastructure, cars, etc.

      On the level of the individual, society, and internationally, the impact of our violent treatment of Africans is still being felt to this day.

      A bunch of frustrated and angry white people insisting that it’s over because they can’t be bothered facing the truth or using their brains, doesn’t mean it’s over. It’s not for you to say it’s over… it was people like you that committed the crimes and benefitted from them — you’re the last people that get to say when it’s over.

    407. James Che. says:

      Ebook,

      That is the underlying issue here and every country, and I could not agree more.

      All people were slaves, except the wealthy.
      I watched a lot of history in my time and looked up a lot of laws in the uk.
      And just as many wealthy were using all sorts of other people as capital Human Resources.

      We can turn our minds to industrial Britain were children and women were abused, raped and poorly paid, or not paid at all,
      then there were the men whom never knew if they and their family would have an appalling freezing cold, damp hovel if they spoke up regarding their families or their bad conditions,

      Have anyone researched the white slaves of British industry. I have done a reasonable amount.

      Black slaves—-white slaves = same difference, same wealthy owners of people to buy, sell, abuse or work them to they drop down of disease, overwork, or sold with land and estates.

      Indeed picking a singular subject to shout about from the global wokeism, and voluntary choosing to be colour prejudice and selective to a section of society is racism to all those that were En-slaved.
      What you name as white slavers were not fussy about the colour of skin, in Britain they had many white slaves for the rich to prosper of of their poor.
      Slavery is definitely not black and white.
      It is Rich and the poor.
      For the poor did not own slaves or sell and buy them with the land they acquired. Or the mills or coal mines they acquired.
      The direction for any prejudices for enslavement of all people of all colour lies with the rich and wealthy,

      That’s why the new terminology bought forth within the last decade irks so much.
      In many office of government departments we find the new words describing slavery.
      “HUMAN RESOURCES”

      And for me I can see the old wealthy rulers of colonialism still being played out with Scotland.
      When Westminster an the good old empire say NO to Scotland, you cannot be free, you are not allowed to be free,
      We enslaved you and your countrymen in 1707 even though you did not agree to it. Even although you protested and we had to subdue you’re protests with an The brute force of an English army,

      You lowly Scots were taken under the old system where enslavement is natural by force. Not by volunteering.

    408. James Che. says:

      For the treaty of the union to hold any force in modern day it has to be acknowledged how it came about.
      The rich English wanted to own the land north of the forth, Scotland , and had tried acquiring it on many occasions.

      However they bought and payed for, not only Scotland but the people, this is commonly known as people trafficking to day,

      If they payed the rich people in Scotland, and they did, then they must sign a trade contract, called the treaty of the union.

      The wealthy rich Scottish population signed the agreement.

      Scottish enslavement Bought and sold for English gold.

    409. James Che. says:

      Over 5 million white slaves bought by the English Parliament in 1707,
      And there decedents generation after generation are still held to that trade deal in present day colonialism contract by Westminster.

      How much did England pay for the Scottish people and their land of Scotland to the wealthy Scottish people traffickers.
      Remind me.

      For not one ordinary man voluntary agreed to be sold and protested and rioted with regards to the sale.

    410. Robert Graham says:

      Danger

      Danger

      Head for the hills

      New variant discovery in Cyprus

      DELTACRON

      Get jabbed

      Get jabbed

      Oh just take the fkn stuff or else

    411. James Che. says:

      Aye the good ol British empire that used to buy and sell people and take their land from them,
      Throw up their hands in horror claiming we abolish slavery, it was us that did that,

      But not a word from Andy or Hatuey That the Scots people were bought against their will.
      And the Scots are expected to continue holding that status until the English Parliament abolishes All slavery including the people it bought in 1707.

    412. John Main says:

      @Hatuey 4:33

      “It was people like me that committed the crimes and benefitted from them”

      There you go Hatuey, fixed it for you.

      Now off you go and do your penance.

      “I’m the last person that gets to say when it’s over”

      Indeed, we sane ones will consider how long your punishment should last.

    413. Ruby says:

      Hatuey says:
      9 January, 2022 at 4:33 pm
      Everything you say about the “colonised” history of Scotland,

      it’s basically the same argument that BLM makes about the plight of black people.

      You don’t half post some utter garbage.

      The argument is totally different.

      Scots want their country back. BLM are not making that argument.

      Scotland is still a colony. That is not the case for ‘African’ countries.
      Bermuda has even just become a republic.

    414. Andy Ellis says:

      @James Che 5.29 pm

      What is it you think me, or Hatuey – or indeed anyone else – is obliged to contribute to this rather eccentric obsession some folk have with 300 year old treaties James? I’m really none the wiser from your copious if stream of semi-consciousness contributions.

      Scotland in 1707 wasn’t a democracy. Folk would be better served concentrating on the here and now than picking over 300 year old scabs and muttering forlornly to themselves over and over that we wuz robbed.

      It’s not worth trying to convince folk like you whose views are so “out there” of course. You’re just part of the insignificant nutter fringe banging on about white slavery, lacking the with to do basic research, and coming up with the same tired and discredited old tropes that have been debunked so many times before.

      Of course no expert in any of the fields you’re banging on about would take your views remotely seriously, or give them a moments credence, but more to the point most ordinary Scots voters are well capable of seeing them for the fringe zoomery they are. The fact that a handful of “bitter einders” in here fluff your ignorant prognostications says all we need to know about them, but don’t fool yourselves that you represent anything other than a negligible minority.

    415. robbo says:

      Hatuey says:
      9 January, 2022 at 4:10 pm
      Apologies… effing new iPad.

      Ahem.

      Anyone that thinks the average poor white person living in the UK is as poor as the average impoverished African, is quite simply detached from reality.
      —-

      Maybe you should ask the descendants of the “Irish” people Hatuey, eh?

    416. Ruby says:

      He’s a cunt either that or he’s completely insane!

    417. Hatuey says:

      James Che, the population of Scotland in 1707 was barely 1 million, not 5 million. It would have been more had so many not starved to death in the 17th century.

      I have no idea what you’re talking about when you refer to Scots people being bought against their will. Democracy as we define it today didn’t exist in 1707. The Treaty was signed by people who technically had the political authority to do so.

      In the disciplines of history, politics, philosophy, international relations, and law, a relationship that is treaty-based couldn’t be defined as colonial or non-consensual; most would say it’s the opposite.

      Of course, it’s even more complicated than even that since so many Scots played very enthusiastic parts in the British imperialist project, many owned slaves, took part in wars of aggression, and benefitted in all sorts of ways from the Empire.

      It’s complicated, isn’t it? Sometimes it seems like the simplest things are beyond our understanding. That’s why I prefer to stick to facts and tend to let others make fools of themselves when it comes to explaining stuff.

    418. Ruby says:

      Folk would be better served concentrating on the here and now than picking over 300 year old scabs and muttering forlornly to themselves over and over that we wuz robbed.

      It’s OK for BLM to do this but not for Scots? Very strange.

      Is ‘English Ellis’ an anti-Scottish racist ****?

    419. Hatuey says:

      Robby: “Maybe you should ask the descendants of the “Irish” people Hatuey, eh?”

      It wasn’t a question.

      And I genuinely don’t understand the point you are trying to make about Irish people. Are you suggesting the brutal treatment of Irish people somehow excuses or balances out the systematic rape of Africa by Europeans?

      Curiouser and curiouser…

    420. Tinto Chiel says:

      @James Che 1.05: I would add to your estimable sequence the possibility that the stone eventually recovered by the authorities from the Scottish patriots in 1950 was merely a quickly-made copy.

      There is also a legend that the real stone was buried for safety near Scone and another given to Edward I all those years ago.

    421. wee monkey says:

      Ironic post of the year [so far category]

      if I may..Bagpipe fanfare

      Quote:-

      Hatuey says:
      9 January, 2022 at 4:10 pm
      Apologies… effing new iPad.

      Ahem.

      Anyone that thinks the average poor white person living in the UK is as poor as the average impoverished African, is quite simply detached from reality.”

      —–

      Aye right.

      I’m afraid I neither take the knee, pull down statues or generally give a flying fuck about “Africa”.

      However West African cuisine is actually delightful [if you avoid the chillies] and as with the West Africans I have worked with, really do think that ALL LIVES MATTER.

      Oh and I’m assured that whilst it can get chilly, dung is plentiful, bit like in here at times..

    422. `Hatuey` , it should be Haughty,

      Haughty , meaning,

      `feeling arrogantly superior and disdainful`.

      curiouser and curiouser blah blah blah racist moon howler racist froth froth froth racist.

    423. Sarah says:

      O/T Rhiannon Spear: Daily Record reports this “rising SNP star” [cough] is quitting front-line politics.

      Does this mean she is or has resigned as Glasgow councillor?

      And is the FM still in Portugal or are we all now back under her control?

    424. Hatuey says:

      It’s a strange and conflicted person that says they don’t give a flying fuck about Africa then insists he believes all lives matter.

      I’m going to end this debate now and declare myself, Andy, and BLM the victors. I think Andy deserves special recognition for this poetic assessment of Ruby’s role;

      “a foul mouthed harridan sitting in her piss soaked Tena lady pants as she obsessively derails BTL comments…”

      Thanks for the information and taking part.

    425. Ruby says:

      Hatuey says:
      9 January, 2022 at 9:44 pm

      I’m going to end this debate now

      Great! Everyone else finished the debate
      2 hours ago!

      Wot no ‘special recognition’ of your hero’s assessment of James Che’s post?

      Surely you must have liked all his cruel put downs!

      What a man your hero Andy is!

      Are you leaving for good or will you be back again tomorrow?

      Just askin’ as I love derailing your bonkers btl comments!

    426. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The BTL comments are becoming tedious. X Vs Y Vs Z Vs X and no real comment to get our eyes around and promote discussion as to how we achieve independence.

    427. Ruby says:

      Pretty hard to have a discussion when nobody has any idea how we achieve independence.

    428. Glenn Boyd says:

      Rejoice! Rejoice! As one Margaret Hilda Thatcher was wont to say. One of this sites (And Scotland’s) most admired politicians has announced her retirement from frontline politics: This Titan, who has strode the Sottish Political Sage, like a veritable colossus has, sadly, is no more! I, of course, refer to the lovely, the magnificent, the one, the only, Rhiannon Spear’s is now a dead parrot. Only those with a heart of stone could fail to me moved. Me? I am inconsolable!

    429. Glenn Boyd says:

      Rejoice! Rejoice! As one Margaret Hilda Thatcher was wont to say. One of this sites (And Scotland’s) most admired politicians has announced her retirement from frontline politics: This Titan, who has strode the Sottish Political Sage, like a veritable colossus is sadly, no more! I, of course, refer to the lovely, the magnificent, the one, the only, Rhiannon Spear’s who is now a dead parrot. Only those with a heart of stone could fail to me moved. Me? I am inconsolable!

    430. Glenn Boyd says:

      Rejoice! As one Margaret Hilda Thatcher was wont to say. One of this sites (And Scotland’s) most admired politicians has announced her retirement from frontline politics: This Titan, who has strode the Sottish Political Sage, like a veritable colossus is sadly, no more! I, of course, refer to the lovely, the magnificent, the one, the only, Rhiannon Spear’s who is now a dead parrot. Only those with a heart of stone could fail to me moved. Me? I am inconsolable!

    431. Glenn Boyd says:

      Rejoice! As one Margaret Hilda Thatcher was wont to say. This sites (And Scotland’s) most admired politicians has announced her retirement from frontline politics: This Titan, who has strode the Sottish Political Stage, like a veritable colossus is sadly, no more! I, of course, refer to the lovely, the magnificent, the one, the only, Rhiannon Spear’s who is now a dead parrot. Only those with a heart of stone could fail to be moved. Me? I am inconsolable!

    432. James Che. says:

      Ruby. Excellent answer to Andy, whom is flagging selective history to serve his own agenda.

      Hatuey.

      The population of Scotland was once actually higher than the population of Scotland today,
      Indeed highland clearances and forced emigration on the Scots reduced the population considerable.
      Archaeologists have discovered this in their excavations, and I often metal detect pre- 1700s small villages and Croft’s.
      The fact that Scotland had a starving population in the 1700s was due to many factors, unjust management by wealthy land owners.
      some of these factors affecting Ireland as well and England.
      [ Weather ] which was uncontrollable in those days.

      Nowadays wokism and global leaders sector call it climate change,
      But this is nature, and has been happening for thousands and millions of years, hence we had global warming when we came out of the ice age.

      And indeed if the self elected rulers of Scotland of 1700s had a system or plan in place to see to and help there Scottish people would have been great.

      But when they themselves started to feel the poverty and empty cupboards, they sold Scotland to England as a solution.

      Democracy did not exist as we know it in 1707,

      Hatuey you must remember to tell that to BLM

      Sorry again Hatuey , “And technically the the people whom sold Scotland to England did not have the right to sell a people’s country that did not belong to them.

      They had no deeds in their hands to prove they had ever bought Scotland from its people.
      For deeds and bills of sale were in existence in the 1700s.
      They were not democratically, geographically, legally, or otherwise in ownership of Scotland or its people in 1700.. they just presumed they were..
      Your argument can be seen as implicitly invalid on the grounds of logic. If you follow this line of thinking.

      ( The scenario applied) To Boris Johnson and the uk parliament on the presumption they own England and tomorrow decided to sell it to China or Russia would cause a uprising in England instantly.
      This is what the Scottish people rebelled against in 1700.

      Of corse it is more complicated than that because since so many enthusiastic Scots played a part,

      Well We only need to insert one word into that sentence before the word…….Scots to make sense of that enthusiasm
      …(Wealthy)….

      And many of these land and castle owners in Scotland had been given land in Scotland after the Norman conquests, inter married with other big land owners to accumulate assets.

      As with most things there is a ghost of truth in what you say,
      No democracy in those days and the poor did not have lawyers.

      However this does not correct the wrong that Scotland did not belong to to the self elected parliament of Scotland whom did not actually own Scotland or its people.

      Nor does it excuse England’s parliament that still expects Scottish people to to be held to that non democratic agreement in the year 2022 without it looking very much like colonialism.
      Or enslavement.

    433. James Che. says:

      Tinto chiel.
      That would be intriguing thought and debate for England’s Edward 1 to have stolen the first original copy.
      Ha haaha.
      Big thumbs up 🙂

    434. James Che. says:

      Andy.
      I quite like the fact I am considered part of the nutter fringe on here.
      That places me in the majority, thank you.

    435. Ruby says:

      It’s the usual MO of unthinking trolls everywhere: assert that people are trying to silence and you, then play the victim for evermore.

      Is that not what you and your pal Hautey are doing when you accuse me of derailing btl comments?

      No, because in their case it wouldn’t be merited, and they have more class than to continually call people me & Hautey cunts.
      Sorted that one for you.
      Happy to help!

    436. Ruby says:

      Where is Rhiannon Spear going?

      Will it be some very cushy job with the SNP?

    437. Hatuey says:

      Is Rhiannon abandoning a sinking ship? Maybe. Either way, its definitely a good time to fuck off.

      With the pandemic almost over, we are going to see focus return to the growing pile of smouldering crap that polite people might call ‘Sturgeon’s problems’. We are all sick hearing about them but the list includes;

      1) failure to make progress towards indyref2
      2) GRA and the weird stuff they’re doing in schools
      3) drug deaths
      4) the ferries fiasco
      5) divisions in the SNP and indy movement
      6) the missing indyref funds
      7) the Salmond scandal (Sturgeon’s Iraq?)
      8) the covid inquiry which is now underway

      That’s quite a list. And we could probably add to it. Who would want to return to business as usual with a bunch of crap like that waiting for them? All of the items on that list relate to the consequences of decisions, actions, and inaction, by Sturgeon personally.

      Being clever in this world is often defined in proactive terms — engagement, fighting and winning battles, working things out, etc. Sometimes the smartest thing you can do is withdraw from the battlefield altogether, though, and that’s what I think we are about to see.

    438. I would have thought the Green/Stonewall Party would have been a good fit for Mrs Spear, same for a few others in the SNP,

      Alyn Smith
      Mhairi Black
      John Nicolson
      Stewart McDonald
      Kirsty Blackman
      Hannah Bardell.

    439. Dorothy Devine says:

      Scot , sadly that would give them greater access to the governance of Scotland – and that I could not countenance.

    440. Robert Hughes says:

      ” With the pandemic almost over….”

      Was that opinion arrived at by the application of thumbscrews Hatz ?

      Whatever , at least we agree on that , though I’d even qualify that ” almost ”

      Nevertheless , as more and more people have to choose between heating and eating in one of the most energy-rich countries in the world – ours – what is Stoogeon’s focus ? fckn lateral flow tests !

      Still trying to extract the maximum ( personal ) advantage from the situation , more than happy to keep the whole fiasco going , whatever the cost to people’s mental health , livelihoods and the Scottish Economy generally , as long as she can continue her role as Mother of the Nation and blame the Tories for everything as deflection for the myriad fuck-ups of her and the band of utterly useless sycophants she surrounds herself with

    441. Hatuey says:

      Robert Hughes, as always, my views on covid and my forecast on the end of the pandemic are based entirely on the science. I’ve seen modelling. In about 6 months we end up with as much potential risk as we had before sars cov 2 arrived.

      My views on Sturgeon and the likelihood that she will throw in the towel are based on my assessment that the mountain of shit she has created for herself is completely unmanageable. The personal approval ratings poll we saw about 10 weeks ago suggests all of these things are taking a toll and since there’s no prospect of change in any positive direction on even one of those issues, her situation can only get worse.

      I don’t share Robin McAlpine’s optimism with regards to the covid inquiry. I certainly don’t agree with his view that the scope of the inquiry is anything like satisfactory when it leaves decisions taken at the U.K. level beyond scope — the decision to impose “herd immunity” might have been taken at the U.K. level but only because Sturgeon consented to and facilitated it. That decision cost thousands of lives.

      Yes, many will suggest she had no choice but to go along with the U.K. strategy, given the nature of financial relations within the U.K. But she did have a choice; she could have opposed it and resigned on the basis that she couldn’t impose a policy that would very predictably result in thousands of Scots dying. There were other less destructive and less costly options available and worth exploring.

      Had she resigned on the basis I point to above, she would have come out of this a national hero and massively bolstered the case for independence. I’d have toasted her myself and happily buried all hatchets.

      That all said, the covid inquiry is never going to do her any favours. Even if it’s “rigged”, it’ll require a lot of time and effort, and almost certainly lead to more damaging headlines — one slip on an issue like that and she could be in real trouble.

      Her situation is extremely close to untenable and she must know it. On that basis, I don’t see why she’d want to be here beyond Easter. She will resign.

    442. James Che. says:

      Robert Hughes.

      I think Pence, in America, He (let it slip an called it ) a (live) experiment.
      It certainly wasn’t licensed as legal, for long enough. An was meant to do no harm.
      We may see something akin to the Nuremberg trials for a second time.

      A lot of things are about to change, and a lot of an people will be held to account over the next year from monarchy to to stoogeons actions.

      We are reaching the pinnacle of bad / evil time while they fight Tooth an nail,
      like mad dogs to hold on to the vistages of power and secrets,
      We in a dark moment before the light , but from what I have heard there are many rats starting to abandon ships,
      I have a lot of hope for the future.

    443. Robert graham says:

      IKEA amongst other companies are introducing reduced or NO sick pay for staff who either won’t or can’t be jabbed .

      A presenter previously employed by LBC Radio was sacked for daring to tell the truth , if you don’t agree you are excluded from society your voice is silenced you are not allowed a opinion.

      IS THIS A NORMAL FUNCTIONING SOCIETY when you have to ask permission to live , move about and eat

    444. Robert Hughes says:

      Yes James here are just two of the recent chinks in the armour of * The Narrative *

      https://web.archive.org/web/20220108222256/https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/08/end-mass-jabs-and-live-with-covid-says-ex-head-of-vaccine-taskforce

      https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80?fbclid=IwAR1afVlbASPVPKLyhIzpoy_0D8Il7Bs2bSjcYlm2qKnGVG75nm7-jqktT-k

      Hatuey – ” she’ll resign ”

      Been staring into your not-so-crystal ball again ?

      Your premise is sound enough and with any normal person would likely prove accurate : as you know though , we’re not dealing with a normal person .

      My own guess – it’s nothing more than that – is she’ll cling to power like a staving dog with a bone for as long as she’s able to , aided by the worthless , supine MSM and * other * vested interests .

      She’s doing too good a job of arresting development towards Independence to be * let go * just yet and , on a personal level , to resign would be an admission of failure – something she is incapable of – and would not look good on her C.V ( if Craig Murray is to be believed , and who would doubt he is ? ) that’s been landing on a selection of International Agencies for some time now .

      We would all be delighted if your prediction proves the more accurate : with the caveat that , if it is, she’s not replaced by one of her equally craven , arse-lickers .

      Alas , the strong likelihood is she would be

    445. Hatuey says:

      Mandatory vaccination isn’t anything new. The US, Italy, England, Scotland, China, and many others, mandated smallpox vaccines in the 19th century, often requiring that newly born babies be vaccinated shortly after birth.

      The debate about the safety of vaccines isn’t new either. It reminds me of the debate that emerged in regards to e-cigarettes about 10 years ago — in that case, users of e-cigarettes didn’t care that they hadn’t been in use long enough to make any clinical assessments of risk. Most people who were familiar with the known damage smoking caused were likely to forego scientific and health board approval in that case.

      If you use e-cigarettes and are against covid vaccines, you are a confused and contradictory fool.

      If covid vaccines were so expensive that only rich people could afford them, many of those protesting against them would be on the streets screaming for vaccine equality and class war.

      That’s how it goes.

      It’s the age of the Internet Bampot. Haters are gonna hate.

    446. @Dorothy Devine,

      better in the tent pissing out than out the tent pissing in 🙂

    447. Dorothy Devine says:

      Scot , not too sure about that!

    448. James Che. says:

      Hatuey,
      some are the scientific retrorockets are about to be questioned by powers set up and already to go.

      I wonder where those whom went along with the live experiment will go.
      Which rats will leave the sinking ship and claim they were only following the scientists, it was nothing to do with them,
      And I wonder which ones will be believed by those overseeing the more serious enquires.

    449. James Che. says:

      Robert Hughes,

      Quite reassuring to see the first globalist paper beginnig to see what is coming down the line,
      Not the first rat to leave the sinking ship though,

      We have seen disappearing politicians whom are leaving politics for good before the sh..te hits the fan, here and across the pond.

      There is an awful lot of leaks and secrets being revealed, and to be revealed yet, from pedophilia to politicians to covid and scientists, it is across across the spectrum.

      And yes it will include all media so we are told. Freedom of speech etc.

      We just have to continue our own smaller disputes at our own level with persistence to aid what’s coming,
      Keep up the good work and call out those spinning rhetoric and abuse of power.
      It is pretty dark before the dawn:-)

    450. James Che. says:

      Dorothy Devine.

      As far as I can tell from doing research those that want to hold on to Scotland have little left to hold onto.

      The treaty of the union is in tatters.

      For instance here is a good read to begin with.
      STATUE LAW REVISION,( SCOTLAND) BILL. ( LORDS ) Hansard Deb 22 July 1964 Vol 699 cc 625-39
      Order for second reading.
      Motion made and questions proposed,
      That the bill be now read second time 10. 11 PM.

      All Scots Law was to be retained to Scotland in the treaty of the union Acts.
      But Westminster revised these pre- union Scots laws using the excuse that they needed to be codified and indexed, as they could not understand Scots law,
      And other Scots law, the uk parliament considered now obsolete….

      However has the uk government broke the treaty of the union Acts on Scots law being retained.
      Most definitely yes.

      This is just one subject that has changed since the signing of the treaty of the union Acts 1707. There are many others I researched and have wrote down.

    451. Hatuey says:

      James Che, the idea that you seem to be trying to convey, that those who supported the vaccines will be subject to some sort of trial and punishment, is pure science fiction.

      Where do you get ideas like that?

      Crackers.

    452. Robert Hughes says:

      James C

      Aye we’ll be seeing a lot of ” We were just following the science ” ( whilst ignoring , rubbishing and censoring other perfectly credible science ) attempted get-out clause bollocks from hereon in I reckon .

      When journals like the BMJ are outraged enough to write an open letter to people like Zuckerburg you know the game is up and the whole edifice of manufactured * crisis * is crumbling .

      Not before time

    453. Hatuey says:

      Lmfao @ “We in a dark moment before the light”

      Talk about the power of understatement.

      James, did you ever consider a career in marketing?

    454. Hatuey says:

      “the whole edifice of manufactured * crisis *”

      You really think it was manufactured? My God. What happened to you? You used to be sane.

      If SETI ever stumbles upon these comments, they’re going to sure they’ve discovered some sort of life from another planet.

    455. Brent crude hit $82 per barrel,

      1,000,000 barrels removed from our resources every day,

      $82,000,000 every day and we, the owners of the oil, see nothing,

      biggest theft in human history.

    456. Republicofscotland says:

      Scott Finlayson.

      Imagine what could be done for our fellow Scots if that money remained where it should in Scotland, of course the real figure going South is much higher as its not just revenue from oil that heads South.

      From the Malt tax of 1707 to today, England has stolen an unimaginable amount of wealth from Scotland and will continue to do so, because Sturgeon the Betrayer of Scots and her spineless and gutless MSPs don’t care about Scots they only care about feathering their own nests.

      England stole around £45 trillion from India in just over one-hundred years.

    457. John Main says:

      @Hatuey 2:02 pm

      “If Covid vaccines were so expensive that only rich people could afford them …”

      News broadcast beamed to Planet Hatuey. Covid vaccines are indeed so expensive that hundreds of millions of people are never going to be able to get one. Hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest people will sink or swim under Covid whilst we argue about 5th, 6th and nth vaccines and why it is our duty to have them because it reduces the risk by 0.1% or some such.

      It is difficult for me to believe that any half-aware person could be ignorant of this fact.

      It is incredible that somebody who has just spent the weekend virtue-signalling his concerns for the oppressed and discriminated against of the developing world could, by Monday, signal just how little he knows of what he is posting about.

    458. Robert Hughes says:

      Yo Hatz , chill bruh , the pandemic is * almost * over , remember ?

      Read it again , and pay attention this time

      I said the * crisis * was manufactured , not the viral outbreak .

      See the difference matey ?

    459. Romans,Angles,Saxons,Norwegians,Danes,Norman/French,
      English all need to opologise to Scotland for 2000 years of pillage ,murder,slavery and genocide.

    460. robbo says:

      VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – Pope Francis on Monday warned against attempts to cancel culture, decrying “one-track thinking” he said attempts to deny or rewrite history according to today’s standards.

      No doubt Ellis and Hatuey will be miffed.

    461. Hatuey says:

      Comrade Hughes, I am afraid I don’t understand how the virus can be real and the crisis can be fake. No need to try explaining though, I know where your reasoning will take us. With all the lockdowns and measures that you and people like you said were too harsh and unnecessary, around 200 thousand people in the UK have died. I know, all fake noooz…

      John Main, you seem to always commit to these silly arguments that are impossible to take seriously. Why do you do that? Read what I said more carefully… I made a hypothetical reference to rich people. Try addressing what I actually say. The one dimensional straw-man points you attribute to me stink of weakness and laziness.

    462. Sarah says:

      Very good debate about the rights of women in the House of Lords, at the moment. On parliamenttv.

    463. Robert Hughes says:

      Now Hatz , did we not agree to stop arguing about * all that * ?

      You – and people like you – have your own perceptions of things , likewise people like myself .

      I don’t think I’ve ever claimed mine was * better * than yours .

      My focus has always been on what’s going on around , below , behind and on top of the * crisis *

    464. Chas says:

      I used to read the comments on WOS every day. Then it was every 2/3 days. Now maybe once a week is enough.
      I can see the deterioration in the ‘quality’ of posts and have to assume that the pandemic is having an effect on the mental well being of a lot of posters.
      There are some who are fixated with events that happened hundreds of years ago. Others who are more than happy to denigrate people who do not share their point of view.
      Racism, colonialism, Tony Blair are all subjects which attract comment but there is very little on the reason why the site was originally founded. Can anyone guess what this is? I will give you a clue-12 letters and starts with I.
      If people want an environment where everybody agrees with everybody else within that environment I suggest that they become a SNP MSP or MP. Everybody there agrees with whatever Ms Sturgeon dictates.
      Last point-A career in the diplomatic service is not an option that you should pursue Ruby!

    465. Big Jock says:

      Chas- To be fair. There isn’t any functioning independence movement to talk about just now. The SNP have abandoned it. It’s why people on here drift onto other topics.

      You can’t really discuss football if the games are cancelled and the clubs no longer want to play it.

    466. Carol Neill says:

      O/t
      I had to go to hospital today (cellulitis in my foot in case anyones interested )
      A&e empty , cubicles empty , X-ray empty
      In and out within an hour !
      3 receptionists laughing and joking
      So why can’t I see my gp !?!

    467. wee monkey says:

      Empty vessels make the most sound.

      https://twitter.com/i/status/1480621967061495809

      On repeat so you “get the message” multiple eye gestures, head shakes and busy hands..

    468. Big Jock says:

      Wee Monkey – She said before the end of 2023. We can pretty much rule out a winter referendum. So she only has until October 2023.

      22 months! From what I understand the question testing takes 6 months, and the EC will make sure it does. The legislation takes at least 9 months. On paper it’s possible, but that’s based on everything already starting. When we know nothing has started. So if she started in March that would be the absolute final date to allow it.

      She is basically just bluffing and seeing out time. The pandemic will get her to spring. Then the council elections in May , by June it will be too late.

    469. Robert Hughes says:

      ” …..So why can’t I see my gp !?! ”

      Good question Carol . It’s the same where I live

      Must be the ” crisis “

    470. James Che. says:

      Carol neill.

      I believe in what you have commented about with regards to empty hospitals, is is the same here, and in the next district/ county where my mother lives,
      And in a third county where my daughter lives.

      Three main hospitals miles apart and family are all reporting the same as you.

      Perhaps the doctors will not see their patients, so they do not have to diagnose them, keeping the hospitals quite so they can cope, quite Enough to see doctors and nurses standing around chatting and laughing,

      Anyone else in different areas of Scotland seeing similar?

    471. James Che. says:

      Hatuey.

      Never you mind asking where my research took me.
      That’s my business, and I won’t blow the whistle on anyone.

      And wether you believe this information or not does not bother me,
      It’s up to those pushing the agenda to worry, it is not my neck on the line here for what is coming.

    472. James Che. says:

      Robert Hughes,

      Well that makes 5 people whom have noticed these empty hospitals and lack of access to GPS.

    473. James Che. says:

      Sarah.

      I will watch that later on tonight,
      Thanks for highlighting it for all the women, the husbands of women and parents and the safety of their daughters.

    474. James Che. says:

      I thought this site was opened by Rev to shake us all awake in Scotland , to embrace research and fact finding and learn what is going on around us and in the rest of the world that effects Scotland politically.

      His commentary and post did just that. Hence the poor man and some of his family came under attack.
      And as a one man band in fact finding woke us up to NS, transgender issues relating to women’s safety, the hidden reports and documents that are not to be found else where.

      If that was his purpose to shake us awake politically, then he has had a lot of success with his site,

    475. Sarah says:

      @ James Che: the debate was quite sensible but still the wishes of men seemed to some to be more important than the dignity and safety of women, including to a female Lib Dem [whose name I forget].

    476. Benhope says:

      Margaret Ferrier was in court last week for breaking Covid Laws. Now we hear that there was another large party in the Downing Street gardens last May in clear breach of the Covid Laws.

      After investigating, The Metropolitan Police said they would be taking no action against Margaret Ferrier. In Scotland however, the full force of the law is to be exercised against this poor individual who said she was ill and not making logical decisions.

      How unfair is that? She obviously is not one of Nicola`s favourites and her friends in the COPS must have been told to prosecute. Another malicious prosecution and not in the public interest.

    477. James Che. says:

      Sarah.
      To some extent this is true,
      But I have come across self centred men and women in my time.

      The one defining factor should be women’s and children’s safety, as women and children do not usually have the same muscle mass to fight back as another man would be able to.

      But for some men they realise they have to protect their family from harm and step up to the plate and do so, as they have wife’s, and children of their own. Mother’s, daughters, sisters, aunties and grandmothers,

      And then again others are abusers of any one that may be weaker,
      Some actually rape other men as well.

      I saw a lot of men marching with women, with the over women’s 50 s pension steal by the government. Side by side.
      And a lot of men marching with their families in the independence movement. Side by side.
      But there are bad women,
      And a lot of good women.

      It all comes down to values and morals at the end of the day.
      There were amounts equal men and women in my family when I was growing up, so often listened to both sides in any disputes and good points made on both sides.

      We need a balance for the benefit of men, women and children, for the sake of saving the family, which is really important,
      for then that grows into a good or at least better community in general, where neighbours look out for each other too,
      Yes it has been a mans world for a long time, but things are being forced to change with the Trans issue.
      And I don’t think it will turn out the way they expected.

      Don’t give up or give in, Sarah the world is changing
      And the best we can do against these challenges is to unite and support each other for the sake of our loved ones.

    478. James Che. says:

      Sarah.
      Meant to add,
      There are always bad apples in a barrel, and one or two here , not to mention any names, that are derogatory to women when they comment,
      But if you take notice, some returning comments calling those people out for their behaviour, came from men.

      It is a nice balance when women comment here as well.
      Keep posting and linking to any info you have for us, were all one big family here with a few crazy cousins. 🙂

    479. robbo says:

      Leading Scottish universities have dropped out of controversial equality league tables compiled by LGBT lobby group Stonewall, following claims that participation can inhibit academic freedom and open debate about transgender issues.

      https://archive.fo/Fibyc

    480. robbo says:

      ‘Controversial’ Chewin The Fat sketches removed by BBC bosses to avoid offending modern audiences

      https://archive.fo/OCBIf

    481. robbo says:

      Scottish Government spending £400k on ‘expert witness coaching’ connected to Rangers cases

      ffs who’s this expert witness- King Billy? The wan that fell aff the horse?

      https://archive.fo/6COvi

    482. Ruby says:

      Nicola Sturgeon to do ‘everything in her power’ to hold independence vote by 2023

      OK guys lets have a debate on how we go about achieving independence.

      Hautey & Ellis: You clever clogs got any suggestions?

      This ‘thicko schemie shit stirring innumerate to functionally illiterate knuckle dragging moon howling grievance monkey racist troll natavista foul mouthed harridan with serious mental health issues’ does have some suggestions but I’ll let you two go first.

    483. Ruby says:

      The American Co coaching the expert witnesses
      Teneo
      Founded June 2011
      Founders Declan Kelly

      Website http://www.teneo.com
      Teneo is a public relations and advisory company. The company was founded in June 2011 by Declan Kelly, Paul Keary, and Doug Band,[6] and currently has more than 1,250 employees located in 33 offices around the world.[7][8] In 2019, Teneo sold a majority stake to CVC Capital Partners, at a total valuation of around $700 million.[3]

      Teneo has been the subject of controversy primarily over its extensive ties to the Clinton family and the leveraging of those ties for its business purposes. Founder Declan Kelly was a close associate and Economic Envoy to Ireland under Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and the firm has employed personnel connected to the family, including Huma Abedin while she was still working at the Department of State.

    484. Ruby says:

      ffs who’s this expert witness- King Billy? The wan that fell aff the horse?

      It’s a secret!

      “However, fresh disclosures state the Government is paying global consultancy firm and PR experts Teneo £400k to help coach a secret expert witness connected to the case.”

      1. Why would an expert need coaching?
      Was there not some controversy over witness coaching in Alex Salmond trial/enquiry? *

      2. Does someone in the SG have close connections to Teneo?

      * Found it

      ‘Joanna Cherry QC
      @joannaccherry
      Replying to
      @holyroodmandy
      I think there must be a misunderstanding here. Witness coaching is strictly prohibited in Scotland and indeed England’

    485. Ruby says:

      Last point-A career in the diplomatic service is not an option that you should pursue Ruby!

      Thanks for the career advice Chas.

      I don’t believe this is a time to be diplomatic do you?

      Do you think we should all just sit back and say very politely
      “Yes Nicola I understand your limitations” “Yes Boris I understand you want to keep the precious Union together”?

      Do you have any career advice for Hautey & Ellis?

      Do you think it’s diplomatic to call someone
      a thicko schemie shit stirring innumerate to functionally illiterate knuckle dragging moon howling grievance monkey racist troll natavista foul mouthed harridan with serious mental health issues who pisses in her knickers?

    486. Ruby says:

      wee monkey says:
      10 January, 2022 at 8:55 pm
      Empty vessels make the most sound.

      https://twitter.com/i/status/1480621967061495809

      Not if you watch with the sound off and just focus on the
      cat’s arse mouth.

      I’m wondering how easy it is to lip read that
      ‘cat’s arse mouth’.

    487. Ruby says:

      Ooops sorry I didn’t mean to bold the entire last comment the one about ‘cat’s arse mouth’

    488. Ruby says:

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Her-Mouth-Looked-Like-Cats/dp/1934209201

      Perhaps I should have said bum instead or arse.

    489. Effigy says:

      We know that the Greatest Commonwealth Games ever
      was held in Glasgow where all requests for Westminster funding were rejected out of hand. What we now know is that the Government is paying 75 per cent of the cost for the Birmingham Commonwealth Games- £ 420 million of the £560 million which will be invested in Birmingham and the West Midlands

      Levelling out? All equal and in it together?



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