Wings Over Scotland

Do you think Sturgeon and Johnson have a wager on to see who can create the most fuck-ups , make the most * pledges * ( and fail to fulfil them ), tell the biggest lies and fool the electorate the longest ?

“Oor” wee Nicotine Stoogeon is winning this one hands down – granted she has a better supply of smoke and mirrors: the tears of a clown – crocodile variety – may soon be flowing in 10 Covid Party Street . Johnson doesn’t seem to understand he was only there to protect the sanctity of Tax Havens by ” Getting Brexit Done ” . The shelf-life of his clownishness has expired……

That of his North British mirror image can’t have much longer to go , the catalogue of her and HER Government’s failures is surely becoming too massive to be hidden .

” Oh but she/they won the last SGE with the biggest margin since margins began ” squeal the Nicophants , yea , well , did you see the state of the alternatives ?

You CAN fool a lot of people for a long time , just not forever

Will she jump or be pushed ? Who cares , just get her and the circus troupe she commands tae fuck . Pronto

At last some SNP MSPS/MPs stand up to Sturgeon on the GRA/Self-Id nonsense by sending her a letter

“It has been signed by government ministers Kate Forbes, Ash Denham and Ivan McKee, as well as SNP MSPs Joan McAlpine, Ruth Maguire, Christine Grahame and Kenneth Gibson, and MPs Carol Monaghan, Angus Macneil, Patricia Gibson and Joanna Cherry.

Four senior SNP councillors – Chris McEleny, Caroline McAllister, Shaun Macaulay and Lynne Anderson – have also added their signatures.”

SNP MSP Ruth Maguire responding to Ms Sturgeon’s speech by posting “FFS” in a private online conversation with colleagues Ash Denham and Gillian Martin.

“Ms Denham and Ms Martin then appeared to suggest that Ms Sturgeon, the SNP leader, is “out of step” with her party over the issue.”

We need a hell of a lot more than this, they need to run her and her hubby out of the party asap.

link to 12ft.io

Anyone see the documentary on Brewdog and their plan to plant millions of trees in Scotland a tree will be planted in the “Lost Forest” every time you buy a Brewdog beer.

Trouble is no trees have been planted yet, as Brewdog are waiting on a million plus grant from the Scottish government to plant the trees, in effect the taxpayer will be paying for it, yet Brewdog insists its planting the trees as a form of carbon offsetting.

This the company that loathes meta-beer producers such as Heineken, yet it has been revealed that the owners of Brewdog have half a million shares in you guessed it Heineken.

I see Sturgeon is preparing her very own enabling act to circumvent Parliamentary scrutiny by making these emergency powers permanent. Where have we seen this before I wonder.

What Nicola Sturgeon and her acolytes are involved with as regards independence, and have been from the beginning, is a discourse of delay. It is the same technique employed by the major oil companies to prevent any meaningful action being taken on climate change, and a sign that those engaged in such a discourse have no intention of delivering, only of prevaricating.

link to carbonbrief.org

Hi Dan.
Spotted that as well.
Joan McAlpine and Chris McEleny, the second being a ‘high up’ in the Albaparty.

There’s a lot of regurgitating of old stories going on on Facebook and Gettr just now.

What’s the point?

Saffron robe.

As truths emerge around enquires, and truths of facts of covid, or partygate in Westminster.

The truth about climate change will also come out.

The truth on monies received from China into big politicians pockets from the Bushes to The Trudue family, Biden to peroxiding family.

Just think how the virus may have started in wuhan, and then we buy ppe from China, masks from China, and even the needles to inject the western world with unlicensed vaccines, vaccines that are not due to finish being trialed until 2023.

Things are about to change, and the connections between politicians, contracts, ideologies, bankers, biological warfare in peacetime, money and world power have already begun.
Secrets are being unveiled.

And of corse as recently mentioned in the news,
We even had China sitting in Westminster.

Hatuey
You are quite correct, I should have made plain that I was comparing your example of a car crash with John Main’s point regarding 90% of the people who were attributed to death from Covid, when this wasn’t the case, after all, that was what you were replying to.

My apologies for not recognising your incredibly small memory span.

While we’re at it, are you still an anti-vaxxer who doesn’t think children should receive one of the spanking new vaccinations and the myriad of boosters?
Does your anti-vaxxer thinking put you in a different group from the anti-vaxxers you chastise?

No need to answer if the questions are too hard for you.

Breastplate, 90% will never be the same as 100%.

My views on the vaccine with regards to kids have not changed. My position was/is based on the data rather than ideology (like yours) and, for the record, I made that assessment on vaccinating kids on here well before the JCVI came to the same conclusion.

Tannadice, your theory is more palatable than some of the alternatives I’ve read. It’s tragic. I heard the number of babies being born addicted is also up, something like 500 in the last few years.

In all of these things and more I see tribal loyalties and ideological crap getting in the way of people being honest. Until we are honest about the SNP’s failures, vaccines, etc., the failures will continue.

link to youtube.com

Rabbie gets accused of being a rap-artist roundabout this time every year; usually in the guardian, making their own interpretation of some line in a letter.

Sandy Brindley and Dana Scullivelli should form their own Scooby Gang and get on the case, along with 50 Police detectives, holding seances.

new scottish procedures for rap artist trials

sandly brindley acts as judge
the jury get shown clips from the pinball table scene from the accused with jodie foster
begbie QC prosecutes

THAT LASSIE GOAT R4PED AND NAE CUNT LEAVES HERE TILL WE FIND OOT THE CUNT THAT DID IT

then the jury is dismissed and Sandy decides

WHETHER OR NOT SHE LIKES THE LOOK OF YOU

– she doesn’t.

HOME RUN!

Scottish courts prosecute r4pes with 100% effectiveness, a new model to be used by the entire world

Just occurred to me – “a mans a man for a that” – is probably “transphobic” too or “non inclusive” at least

A TRANSWOMAN IS A WOMAN FOR AW THAT
if she identifies as such, for aw that …

– theres more …

We were bought and sold for English gold:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
pooling and sharing, better together
the most successful union in history …

(its a pity federalism and devo max dont rhyme with anything)

Denigrate Scotland and Scots, pull down their heroes as thugs, liars and ingrates. Mess with the culture and ensure your own is sold as superior.

I remember that great intellectual Jeremy Paxman describing Burns as ‘doggerel’- I can also remember him likening Alex Salmond to Pol Pot and some other despots prior to the referendum.

So if and when you see him enjoying a quiet fishing session on one of our rivers , muster a great number of children , primed with loads of sugary munchies and loads of wee flat stones and set them off on a skipping stones competition.

Hatuey,
Nobody said 90% was 100%.

Regarding kids being inoculated with an unsatisfactory and unsuitably tested treatment of pharmaceutical roulette, I agree with you now and I agreed with you then, hence the point I made about your hypocrisy.

If you believe that, as a group, kids shouldn’t take the vaccine then it’s logical and reasonable to assume there are other groups that shouldn’t take the vaccine also.

Surely the criteria for your belief that kids shouldn’t take the vaccine is a simple risk/reward ratio, a risk/reward ratio that can also be applied to any demographic group.

Chanting about anti-vaxxers being vile people when you are one of them doesn’t sound very logical to me.

My ideology is that if you personally believe that you will benefit from this vaccine, then fill your boots. I believe this would address the logical aspect of where we are.

My ideology is that people should not be forced or coerced into this new vaccination programme. I believe this would address the human rights aspect of where we are.

My ideology is that we should not create a group of untermensch in our society that has parallels with 1930s Germany. I believe this would address the fascist trajectory of where we are heading.

I wouldn’t expect you to understand, because of course, my ideology isn’t the same as yours.

Hatuey says 27 January, 2022 at 10:31 pm

“International studies and comparisons, particularly those relating to other first world countries”

Let me stop you there Hatuey. Some time has elapsed since I last thought of Scotland as a “first world country”. Probably not third world, but must be second world by now with the trajectory clear to see.

Not to be critical of you (again) but your post shows the cognitive dissonance common to so many. You drive your car, or crash along in the bus, along neglected roads barely passable because of potholes, worn-off markings and broken signs. You arrive in a litter-strewn, boarded-up, town centre with homeless beggars in every second doorway and weeds sprouting from every crack in the pavement. You spend your spare time posting about government incompetence, croneyism and criminality, and worrying about prices spiraling out of control. If you become ill, or even need just dental treatment, there is a very real risk that unless you can pay for it yourself, you will have an agonising wait while your condition deteriorates.

Thousands of us go a week without power or water because the wind got up. Imagine that, blowing a gale, in Scotland, in the winter!

But still, in your head, Scotland is a first world country.

Aye, right.

Public health isn’t an ideology.

There are a multitude of medicines and treatments that are beneficial to adults but are not suitable for children, everything from basic pain killers like aspirin, cough medicine, and seemingly innocuous things like iron which is toxic to kids and kills many every year.

It isn’t hypocritical to point that out. It isn’t inconsistent or contradictory. It doesn’t mean I’m anti-iron, anti-aspirin, or anti-anything. It simply means I have more than two brain cells and am able to imbibe basic concepts.

The reason I see no need to vaccinate kids is down to the virus itself though, not the vaccine per se. The virus is much less likely to cause kids serious harm. Anyone that has looked at the data knows that.

In short, I’m against giving the vaccine to kids pretty much for the same reason I’m against giving it to trees and combine harvesters. It’s unlikely to do them any good.

Move on to some other tedious point now… pretend the new point was the one you were making all along. Whatever. I’ll make you look stupid even if you say something sensible.

Thinking of people being forced into a situation against there will,
due to another’s personal opinion medically, whom has no medical back ground,
Or when a large per portion of doctors and nurses have their doubts about the medical procedure and therefore refuse to take the vaccine themselves.

And as mentioned above, there is no point inflicting these injections on people that are dying of old age or other illnesses.
Or on those in the front line since 2020 with covid patients on a regular basis and seem to have a very good immune system against the illness.

Or those that have actually had the virus and sailed through.

Nor should an unlicensed medicine that has not completed its trial period until 2023 be injected into any human
As this would be considered crimes against Humanity.

And perhaps those pushing this agenda should undergo Public trials akin to Nuremberg trials, which is now being spoken about.

It certainly would question any doctors whom received payments for each injection they gave while medically ignoring other patients that died due to neglect.

robbo says:
28 January, 2022 at 11:38 am
Look at the state of this crazy woman. Mibbee didn’t like the last bottle she drunk from Aldi then!

‘The Revenge of the Alcoholic’

How did they know it was a woman?
I think they may have misgendered this boy!

I wonder why they hide cigarettes or not alcohol?

The USA and Ukraine were the only two countries in the world to vote against a UN General Assembly resolution last month, calling on countries to make the glorification of Nazism illegal

The Great Satan (USA) and one of its puppet states thinking alike.

Yesterday Sturgeons fanzine the National newspaper had a headline that independence is on the way, today her fanzine has back in the EU in five years.

Watch as the National’s headlines increasingly proclaim that an indyref is on the way, as we get closer and closer to May’s council elections. The same carrots are dangled out in front of the people of Scotland every time there’s an election of sort on the horizon.

Wake up this time and say enough is enough and vote for the Alba party, if you want independence something the SNP will never deliver.

RepublicofScotland

Are we to vote Alba and snp the same as the last election?
Or are Alba going to stand on all accounts in their own right?

It is all very well promising what changes you will run on in an election, IF YOU WIN.

But independence of Scotland should be the bee all and end all of their purpose first.
There is nothing wrong with have a white paper for forward planning.

That is would be what generates me personally to vote at all then I will vote for them,
As this is one old voter that wants a political party to do as they promise for a change,
And unless we end the treaty full stop as a reset button,
Dividing Scotland from England will be as messy and damaging to Scotland as Brexit was.
Entangling for years to come,
And as politicians change with each election, there will be those that try to reverse or stymie any other way we do this.

“It is all very well promising what changes you will run on in an election, IF YOU WIN.”

Very true James, however you need to vote for them first to find out, or are you quite content with the status quo at Holyrood. Lets no forget the entire UK MSM is in one form or another anti-Alba, ask yourself why that is.

Sturgeon isn’t up for re-election until 2026, what if she decides to stay on as SNP leader, or even have Angus Robertson replace her, nothing will change for years even decades, we need to vote Alba now and keep on voting for them and then just maybe they’ll make a break through come the 2026 elections.

If you have a better idea James I’m all eyes lets read it.

RepublicofScotland,

Yes I have a better idea.
Have a party that runs on ending the treaty of the union, and promise to act upon it with immediate action as soon as they are in office.
There is a long enough list to state their reasons, why the consider the treaty has already been broken and ended its very purpose.

You will find that those whom are genuinely for independence will vote for it.
You will find that those whom are not genuine will vote against it.

It is time to make the choice black or white.

Seventy odd years of the snp pussyfooting Scottish politics has seen many with good employment and a nice retirement.

Perhaps the reason this has never been done, is many a politician would be out of work across the board,
From snp, Tories, labour, Lib- dems, and greens.

However we the people in in Scotland are not only waiting for the never ending next election or the one after that,
We have been waiting since the last election, or the one before that, or further back to 2014, or further back to when the snp first became a party, or further back to three hundred years ago, when no Scot wanted to join the treaty and rebelled.
Over three hundred years of generation after generation holding on to hope. Or the next politicians promises.
Many have died while waiting for promises to be fulfilled, And many have passed away since 2014.
Yet still we trust politicians?

No more for me,
It does not matter which politician is left in office after an election if they are of the same quality as the ones that went before.

@ ROS and James Che, I do admit to frustration and impatience when there appears to be nothing happening within ALBA to EXPOSE and DESTROY sturgeon’s giveaway of £MILLIONS to the very parasites that are going to be responsible for more homelessness, more poverty,and more deaths of our citizens by the massive increase in energy prices which they are presiding over

Why has AS NOT called a press conference of the world media to berate , castigate and denigrate sturgeon’s charitable giveaway of our resources to the energy privateers whilst her LOUDLY PROCLAIMED PROMISE in 2017 of an energy NOT FOR PROFIT company was thrown unceremoniously in the dustbin without any reason given
WE ALL talk about sturgeon’s missed opportunities, this energy carve up is a fantastic opportunity for ALBA to GRAB THE HEADLINES and demonstrate to the electorate BEFORE the May elections that there is a FIGHTER on the independence side who is going to do things differently for the PEOPLE, AND whilst they are doing that they can TELL the world’s media that they are now stating that the next general election , ALBA will be fighting it on a plebiscite basis that if they win the most seats in HR that is an instruction from the electorate that they are withdrawing from the union forthwith

Kenny MacAskill and Neale Hanvey moaning in WM is doing nothing to win indy, no matter what they do or say down there people up here don’t even watch WM chaff , they are wasting their time even the snp troughers walk out or play with their phones

OFF TOPIC

THE MEDIA ARE DECIEVING YOU no shit Sherlock eh

The biggest truck convoy ever seen is descending on the state capital of Canada Ottawa and the British media have introduced a news blackout as have every other western news organisation .

The ones who do mention it refer to the truckers as a fringe element of deranged individuals , the go fund me website have stopped the truckers receiving donations I wonder why ? .

This fringe element is now estimated to be almost 70 miles long and takes over 3 hours to pass any given point

in the mean time Trudeau the Prim Minister is in hiding after contracting the plague despite being jabbed up to the eyeballs him and the other MPs who support are totally shittn themselves and well they should because when this Dam breaks there will be no where for these scabby liars to hide that includes our home grown liars .

“The reason I will not vote for Alba is they have aligned themselves to closely to snp”

James Che.

In what way? a wee bit more info would be nice James.

James Che. says:
28 January, 2022 at 3:48 pm

…I am not convinced as yet that the snp that flitted to Alba have improved their thinking, or have not influenced change of the original concept of Alba.
But rather making it a new brand of the snp.

The “old” brand SNP before Sturgeon came along was ok. The Scottish Government under Alex Salmond wasn’t perfect, but it felt like a safe pair of hands, and fairly sensible for the most part. It’s Sturgeon who’s the lunatic, and a number of sheep in high places.

Salmond’s SNP mostly delivered what it promised, frequently excelled above expectations, and gave people hope that Independence would make things generally better.

The “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” philosophy might very well be a part of ALBA’s thinking, but there are other areas, principally of Constitution and Sovereignty where I think ALBA is much more alert and committed.

But Sturgeon’s contempt for ALBA is a bit of a conundrum, in the sense that it’s not particularly clear how best to deal with it.

If ALBA brings down Sturgeon, I’d personally be dancing for joy, but a large faction of the SNP would be more polarised than ever, and ALBA would never be forgiven for it. I’m not talking about the balloons like Pete Wishart, whom I think are a lost cause any way, but the more rational types who are still capable of critical thinking.

Maybe the closest parallel in attitude might be the YES communities attitude towards “Journey to YES” ex-NO voters. There was a big temptation to be critical of their NO vote, but that just wasn’t helpful. OK, maybe they were slow working stuff out, but they have worked it out now. You can’t tell some people, sometimes they need to work it out themselves.

I think that’s kinda how ALBA sees the rank and file of the SNP, good Indy supporters who just need more time to work out that Sturgeon is a dud and a fraud. I mean, behind the public veneer, morale must be dismal. They’re blaming ALBA for that, except they’re not. They’re monstering ALBA for things it hasn’t actually done, and projecting their own hatred on to ALBA, because visceral hatred towards the SNP simply doesn’t resonate within ALBA.

There is a massive difference between irrational hatred (which as far as I can see doesn’t exist), and withering criticism of Sturgeon’s conduct and abilities which I believe is fully deserved and thoroughly warranted. But of course, judging by the delusion and denial, you’re clearly not dealing with the most rational of thinkers. I’m not saying they’re stupid, but they’re definitely not thinking objectively. The critical thinking and analysis is just not happening.

If you’ll pardon the shameless self promotion, and maybe find the time to read my last post on Barrheadboy’s blog, you’ll understand why I think we need a Constitutional Grand Committee to tackle Sturgeon’s dangerous shortcomings. There’s no need for things to get personal. Sturgeon’s feckless Constitutional ineptitude is damning enough as it is, there’s no need to get personal.

I apologise for the formatting not being right. Not sure what happened there. It’s still legible, just a bit harder to read than it should be.

link to barrheadboy.com

Hatuey,
You’re havering.
I agree, public health is not an ideology but one’s approach to it, is.

The new point is the same old point that has been made for the last 2 years, more than 80% of the population will have either mild symptoms or no symptoms from Covid.

What that means is that more than 80% of the population should not even contemplate vaccination, there is only risk and no reward.

It is not only children who don’t need to be vaccinated.

Perhaps, you and your brain cells can mull that over, take as much time as you need.

Robert Hughes.
Breeks.
RepublicofScotland.

Robert you are closer in your commentary about the way I feel. And seem to understand the call for a divergence in politics in Scotland.

I am an ardent supporter of independence, spent many a tired and long day leafleting. Missing meals and family.

But politics in my lifetime has seen a shift. People are fed up with politicians all over the world, not just in Scotland.
We no longer want insipid politicians chanting the same tunes with no backbone.

As to trying to change the beliefs of undecided voters, that ship has sailed long since, and the reality of what is now happening is that people like me Say “ what’s the point”

Voters are so disillusioned with old politics and politicians we are going to become the voters you lose that will not vote for any other party either.
It’s a case of swings and roundabouts.
Disenfranchised voters just stop voting.
They don’t run off to the snp, Tories labour or greens.or lib-dems,

You may make small gains in those you eventually persuade to vote for Alba,
But not enough compared to the ones whom believe all politicians are in politics for a career and pensions.

I have looked, studied, and researched for a Independence Party acting and behaving with strength an solid purpose with direct policy to independence.

Even nice people, which Alex is, are not infallible to mistakes, and one of his mistakes was to think that the snp would behave nicely to Alba, because Alba had displayed no animosity to the snp.
This new snp group hold no honours.
As was in evidence before the election with the charges falsely layed against him,

What should have evolved was an Alba party that held no punches, that ran solely on ending the treaty of the union.
The constitution of Scotland is being demolished and subsumed into England’s Westminster/ British parliament culture.

The time is passing an almost gone to get the YES votes up in Scotland,
For the influx of people from down south has risen considerably over the last ten years,
Every day reading of the MSM, we can read of an agenda to advertise Scotland, with Scottish property for sale, holiday staystations to encourage people to stay more permanently. where their money equivalent buys better property chances in Scotland.
The MSM media are also busy teaching what our language and sayings mean.
There is a predisposition of certain councils to employ over half their employees from down south.
Not from Scotland, very similar to how Scotland’s people do not get large contracts they were promised, made in Scotland with employees from out with the area.

Has this gone unnoticed, that Scottish votes will be severely diluted, or turned into a alternative vision of what Scotland should be or where it should be by these new voters,

I tend to agree with a few others on here that a time limit for residentially living in Scotland should be applied to any independence vote in Scotland.
Otherwise the result is a slanted version of what Scottish people actually voted for.

I will not be voting in the next election for Alba or ANY Other political party in Britain never mind Scotland.
If Alba do not become a true one track only Independence Party,
I am getting to old to be led by the nose on promises that never appear in my life time.

We went to a funeral this week of another person that had been convinced that Scotland should be independent,
We are dropping like flies to be replaced with others from outwith Scotland.

For all your gains in convincing the slow yeses you are equally losing the definition of positive yeses.

Breastplate: “more than 80% of the population should not even contemplate vaccination, there is only risk and no reward…”

We got where we were going.

Now, please explain, in light of your words above, why you’d be offended at anyone calling you a vile anti-vax crackpot.

Hilarious.

James Che. says:
28 January, 2022 at 9:33 pm

But politics in my lifetime has seen a shift. People are fed up with politicians all over the world, not just in Scotland….

I wouldn’t be going soft on Sturgeon. I’d have a Constitutional Grand Committee going straight for the jugular to get rid of her, her idiotic stupidity, and backstabbing narcissism. I just wouldn’t have ALBA sticking the knife in.

Anybody who cares about truth can learn enough about the Alphabetty saga to know there’s something absolutely rotten about it, and dirty people who need brought to justice. It’s the lightweights and news skimmers who just swallow whatever they’re told who are the problem. I’m not sure more truth would change anything. They’ll just shut their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears. A large component of the Indy movement cannot cope with Sturgeon being a rogue. They will always prefer the seduction of lies and falsehood rather the icy draught of an uncomfortable truth.

ALBA could publish a dossier with all the dirt on Sturgeon, but it would be screaming in a vacuum because Sturgeon is also far too useful to the Unionists to ever face a hostile Press. They have Sturgeon suffocating the life out of Independence, so the Unionist media can just sit back and enjoy the reign of Queen Sturgeon, patron saint of betrayers and narcissists everywhere.

A Constitutional Grand Committee, at least one as ruthless and rigorous as the one I would set up, wouldn’t give a flying fk about the media, and both Sturgeon and her crooks would be impeached for their gross ineptitudes and constitutional incompetence.

It wouldn’t matter whether people flocked to ALBA. Sturgeon the Betrayer would be out of office, irrelevant to proceedings, and Holyrood would either be killed or cured. Hopefully cured, but I’m indifferent on the matter. I’ve no love for Holyrood. I mistrust it’s very existence and detest the pretentiousness of it’s fabric. It’s Vichy, and a Vichy type “government” simply has no place or function in a sovereign Scotland. I’d level the site where it stood, but hey, that’s just me.

We are sovereign. We don’t have power “devolved” to us. If anything, it’s “us” who should be doing the devolving, but why in God’s name would we?

The whole institution of Holyrood and Devolution is a scam, but a scam on such a monumental scale that it’s too large for most people to get their heads around.

ALBA is a political party, and a necessary component in Scottish democracy, but I think the hammer blows to wreck the rotten Holyrood and get rid of Sturgeon the Betrayer must transcend politics, and need to be delivered from a Constitutional “super-user” shaking up the system rather than a conventional “user” operating within that system.

I don’t Alex Salmond fears the Justice System. It’s the rabid “Injustice” System which currently dominates the field in Scotland. If Scotland had a serviceable Justice system, he’d never have been put on trial to begin with, and it’s the Conspirators and perjurers who’d have been prosecuted. It wasn’t “justice” which put Craig Murray behind bars. “Justice” would have given Craig Murray a medal.

Scotland’s democracy is compromised by a rogue institution trying to sell us the pup that the 1998 Scotland Act is a superior constitution to Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution. In the metaphorical sense, I would thus burn Holyrood to the ground as a colonial outpost, and resurrect a Scottish Parliament which understands the concept of red sovereignty; Scotland’s Sovereign Community of the Realm.

It NEEDS to be a Constitutional Grand Committee with one almighty bee in it’s bonnet about the desecration of Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty. Right now we don’t have one.

I hope that CGC becomes a reality, and I hope the Faculty of Advocates present themselves as allies to it, because the red sovereignty which should dominate Scottish Government and politics is the same red sovereignty which gives credence to the independence of Scots Law.

We thus have a common colonial aggressor as our enemy, and share the same power base in the “red” Constitutional Sovereignty of Scotland’s people.

FFS Everybody

Right here is the world’s most read and probably most commented on Scots Indy site.

So why isn’t there a guest article from AS, Alba, pro-Indy, non-SNP-troughers on here every, single week?

People keep banging on about how Alba is getting no MSM coverage. So Alba should be using sites like this. Starting from scratch, it probably takes years to get a reputation and recognition like this site has.

So why is it sitting here, abandoned and ignored?

What do you see as the first steps in the formation of a G.C.C , the praxis , has any preparatory work been done ?

Thanks Robert, it’s appreciated, but I don’t know how to get the idea out of dry dock.

I hope getting the matter enough attention will prompt the right discussions in the right places, but I’ve no strings to pull to make it happen.

I know Joanna Cherry would be a terrific recruit to the idea, but I don’t know whether Lawyers for Independence are adequately rebellious. I can’t see it being a good career move, but that’s quite an indictment when you think about it.

I’m also “assuming” the Court of Session might recognise the parallels between Scottish Politics suffering colonial encroachment and Scots Law suffering the same colonial encroachment, but I have no yardstick to judge whether the Court of Session has Unionist / Establishment leanings which are quite relaxed about a UK Supreme Court and the pernicious homogenisation of UK law. You’d hope not, but the Lawyers have been remarkably quiet these past 314 years.. The recent carry on with COPFS and Craig Murray doesn’t inspire confidence, but surely, there must be some “conscience” amongst Scotland’s lawyers.

I’ve tried to contact a few people about it directly, but I find getting a reply is surprisingly difficult.

I would love to have a quiet conversation with Joanna Cherry, Alex Salmond, Craig Murray, but I’m an outsider and have zero clout to make it happen. Not so much to get them involved if they don’t want to be, but start getting a network put together of more positive individuals who might be.

Setting up Constitutional Grand Assembly is actually ALBA policy, but it needs to be done. I advocated writing an open letter to challenge Sturgeon’s constitutional illiteracy because that seemed an open goal that might help people see how a CGA could exercise some muscle and influence without actually doing that much. But the SSRG, Scottish Sovereignty Research Group have tried that, wrote a terrific open letter, but apart from a minor fuss on Social Media, consequences came there none… so far anyway.

I’m losing faith in politicians frankly. They’ve surely known these Constitutional arguments for decades, but been singularly ineffective making any headway with them. To me, Scotland’s Sovereignty is like a Constitutional Cheat Code. Ultimately, we win. If you somehow DON’T win, then you’re not doing it right.

You look at the edifice of power Westminster has built up based on nothing but whispers, sophistry, guile and bluster with no certified legitimacy whatsoever, then look at Scotland with a Constitutional Legitimacy to die for, written certification and 700+ years of provenance, but embarrassingly incompetent when it comes to making it mean something. It should NOT be Scotland of all places tied up in Constitutional knots. It’s the Union Treaty which literally beggars belief. That’s the work of fiction and fallacy, yet nobody has the cahonas to take it down.

I’ve even contemplated just setting up our own Constitutional Assembly and just blagging it’s credentials in the hope that a proper, fully fledged Assembly would feel obliged to replace it and do the job properly. Somebody like a Martin Keatings, but who has the crosshairs on the Sovereign Constitution, not the much lesser and inferior Scotland Act. Good idea, but lacked ambition. Don’t ask Holyrood to heal Holyrood’s inadequacy. Don’t be reasonable with unreasonable people. Win.

I think a big problem with a Constitutional Grand Assembly is ask 100 people what they think it is, and you’ll have 100 different explanations, with a lot of those explanations quite credible and realistic by themselves. You could just about do the same thing with the word “Constitution”.

That’s why I thought writing an open letter to Sturgeon to chastise her Constitutional illiteracy might encourage people to start talking about actually doing it. Give the idea of a Constitutional Grand Committee of Assembly a bit of a prospectus and some positive direction. Let people dip a toe in the water before expecting them to jump from the high boards.

People keep banging on about how Alba is getting no MSM coverage. So Alba should be using sites like this. Starting from scratch, it probably takes years to get a reputation and recognition like this site has.

Have you read Breeks’ post?

“It’s the lightweights and news skimmers who just swallow whatever they’re told who are the problem.”

The lightweights & the news skimmers don’t read ‘Wings Over Scotland’ never have & probably never will.

The bigger problem is that there is ‘A large component of the Indy movement cannot cope with Sturgeon being a rogue.’

Lets call them ‘The SNP Cult’

The lightweights & the news skimmers are part of the problem but the main problem is those who manipulate the lightweights, news skimmers & SNP cultists.

Even if the lightweights, news skimmers & SNP cultists did decide to read ‘Wings’ you would have to ensure the comments were of interest.

Thanks for that reply Breeks ( excuse the mis-ordered acronym – should have read CGC ) .

I sense your frustration at the sluggish responses to such a proposal – so far . I share it .

I suspect ( but hope not ) that little will change on this front as long the view – coincidentally expressed in the post following yours , that Independence will be gained ONLY * through the ballot box * .

Yes , well , maybe ? Is this insistence not similar to Sturgeon’s S30 monomania though ?

Received opinion solidified into unshakeable conviction : disguising a lack of imagination and willingness to take-on new ideas and approaches

Every * weapon * at our disposal should be deployed . What do we have to lose ?

I wonder if it’s due to Scotland being colonised for so long that the Scots are always looking for someone else to take action.

Any reason why we can’t be more like the French?

ie. Put on our ‘gilet jaunes’ and get out there and protest?

Whatever you think of Sean Clerkin & ‘Manky Shirt’ they both manage to attract media attention with very little effort on their part.

The best Sean Clerkin stunt was the Iain Gray – Subway incident.

Did he not also make a complaint to the police regarding the missing ‘Indy funds’

” Ruby says:
29 January, 2022 at 11:26 am

I wonder if it’s due to Scotland being colonised for so long that the Scots are always looking for someone else to take action.”

I think it must be big factor Ruby . ” Learned hopelessness ” and the sense that people in positions of authority know best .

If that last two years has taught us anything , it’s the magnitude of that fallacy .

The last seven under Sturgeon even more so

Hi Breeks.

You typed,

“I would love to have a quiet conversation with Joanna Cherry, Alex Salmond, Craig Murray, but I’m an outsider and have zero clout to make it happen.”

AS and CM are both speakers at Alba Dundee’s Burns Supper next Friday. Both of them will speak to whoever speaks to them.

link to eventbrite.co.uk

Hmm, seems a full cache and history clear rather than regular partial clearing has got rid of that twitter page blocking issue.

Meanwhile.

“Fears for CalMac over radical plans to break up Scotland’s ferry network”

link to archive.fo

There was this earlier in the week, genuine reason or could there have been differing opinion on matters pertaining to transport.

link to gov.scot

Breeks, I agree with Robert Hughes. Your comments are always excellent but have been quite exceptional lately.

Brian Doonthetoon mentioning Alba Dundee’s Burns Supper, and the discussion about the bard farther up-thread, made me think that the SNP would probably like to censor and alter Rabbie’s words. A man’s a man for a’ that, except when he identifies as a woman!

Back online after a power outage lasting 4.5 hours. But it’s winter and the wind is blowing and it’s Scotland so I am grateful. In a first-world country I would be furious, but hey ho.

Just over 2 months since Arwen. I recall an electricity supply cis-spokesman justifying that carnage by saying it was a “once in a generation” event.

So there we have it. A generation in the new Scotland is about 9 weeks.

What else are we told occurs just “once in a generation”? That phrase is so familiar, but damn it, I just can’t place it.

@ Breeks I agree wholeheartedly with the others your comments are always worth reading, but the articles on Barrhead boy and your recent comments are exceptional , what truly disappoints me is that Kenny MacAskill , Neale Hanvey , Angus Brendan Mc Neil and others have seen fit to have posts placed on the NEW MEDIA websites but NO ONE can tell me they don’t visit or read the comments BTL or that they don’t have friends or acquaintances who do ,I then ask myself do they REALLY want independence and are they willing to step forward and CHALLENGE the route that Breeks and others have proposed or are they content sniping from the sidelines while Scotland BURNS

SO I appeal to anyone linked to Alex Salmond or Joanna Cherry please read Breeks posts on Barrhead Boy and his multitudinous comments here and elsewhere and ask Alex and Joanna to read them , and if they genuinely believe in OUR country Scotland surviving and prospering as a independent state I would appeal to them to contact Breeks and facilitate a meeting of minds to create this Constitutional Grand Committee where Scotland can be freed from the cancer within and without

Sturgeon is removing anyone even within her own party who speaks out her plans to sell off Scotland.

“PLANS to set up two freeports in Scotland are set to be confirmed after an SNP minister was replaced by his boss in leading discussions with Westminster officials.

Scottish Government Minister for Business, Trade, Tourism and Enterprise, Ivan McKee has reportedly been dropped as lead negotiator after he claimed the UK proposal “does not respect devolution, undermines the Scottish economy and fails to provide equivalent funding to what is on offer for ports in England”.”

link to 12ft.io

Robert Hughes says:
29 January, 2022 at 11:19 am

I suspect ( but hope not ) that little will change on this front as long the view – coincidentally expressed in the post following yours , that Independence will be gained ONLY * through the ballot box * …

I’m not anti-democratic, but I think there is a definite question to be answered just how corrupt and compromised an election / referendum needs to be before it ceases to be a democratic exercise and becomes something else.

Take the media for example. Their coverage of the 2014 Referendum was an absolute disgrace, but not a single “journalist” lost their job. A corrupt media is bad enough, but the corrupt Scottish media is protected by the equally corrupt Establishment.

They ahem, “won” the 2014 Referendum, but the result settled absolutely nothing.

The Unionists didn’t fight for Unionism, they fought for Scotland’s subjugation rather than a Union of equals. The “Campaign” was rigged from start to finish, with absolutely minimal qualitative analysis of the real issues, and the Vow together with the breach of Purdah rules to broadcast it should have rendered the result compromised or void altogether.

Funny how “democratic” the Unionists are defending the 2014 “result”, but faced with a rematch, the same Unionists suddenly want “democracy” punted into the stratosphere. Funny how that works eh?

Personally, I think it’s a fraud even calling it democracy.

Brent crude at $90 per barrel,

1,000,000 barrels taken from Scotland every day.

@Rublicofscotland 4:01pm
Just wait until Audit Scotland produce their report on the Ferries in March 2022. You will delighted by this report. It doesn’t matter what the SNP touch. The Scottish taxpayers suffer everytime. Incompetent Government and the message still doesn’t get through to the electorate. Menstrual women in charge, aren’t things so much better? A world beating country with state of the art public policies. Do a wee shimmy and put your hands in the air. We are the best in the World. Aren’t we?

You need to get back in the game Stu. Miss reading your stuff so much. The whole trans issue needs destroyed as we are sleepwalking into a country where thinking the wrong thing will land you in the jail. Your the man for the job.

Chas at 10.52 was being very polite when he criticised this Grand Assembly idea as another unwanted layer of government. Apart from that, his comment was usefully honest about our prospects.

But we should be probably grateful that Sturgeon will never achieve a second independence referendum.

If Phantom Power reads this, might I suggest it’s time to consider moving on to “Yes to No” videos.

In human affairs, everything is paradoxical… I forget who said it but that’s how it seems.

What ‘science’ requires that the data be withheld for 75 years?

Robert Hughes says:
30 January, 2022 at 8:52 am

– though I can’t imagine it would be anything like the HoL and could in fact be an autonomous body quite separate from the Government .

I think the roll would change.

Before Independence, the CGC I would like to see would be acting like Willie MacRae’s Scottish UN Committee, which did a lot of work behind the scenes, courting international support for Scottish self government. Like that, but on steroids, and focused on Constitutional Sovereignty and full Independence.

Post Independence however, the CGC might still exist as a Constitutional Watchdog, which may or may not be necessary, depending whether Unionism dies out after Indy, or continues trying to destabilise an Independent Scotland. It wouldn’t be a second Chamber, (unless we decided it should be), but something more along the lines of a Scottish Electoral Commission with part of it’s remit being Constitutional.

After Independence, let’s play it by ear. It’s this side of Independence where having a CGC really matters.

I suppose one way to look at the CGC as a Constitutional Troubleshooter, with it’s responsibilities fluid and changeable, responding to the prevailing threat to Scotland’s Constitutional Integrity.

IF, for example, Scotland rejoins the EU, the CGC’s roll might be to vet proposed EU Legislation for it’s Constitutional ramifications, so that the actual truth is reported to the people, rather than the right wing BritNat anti European rhetoric and disinformation which spawned Brexit and it’s bedrock of lies and hysteria.

@Hatuey 12.31 am

“In human affairs, everything is paradoxical… I forget who said it but that’s how it seems.”

It’s Kant:

But only a ruler who is himself enlightened and has no dread of shadows, yet who likewise has a well-disciplined, numerous army to guarantee public peace, can say what no republic may dare, namely: “Argue as much as you want and about what you want, but obey!” Here as elsewhere, when things are considered in broad perspective, a strange, unexpected pattern in human affairs reveals itself, one in which almost everything is paradoxical. A greater degree of civil freedom seems advantageous to a people’s spiritual freedom; yet the former established impassable boundaries for the latter; conversely, a lesser degree of civil freedom provides enough room for all fully to expand their abilities. ”

Immanuel Kant: “An Answer to the Question: What is Enlightenment?”
Konigsberg, Prussia
30 September 1784.

@Breeks

Excellent posts, thank you. That’s what we need to get the site moving again. It’s been devoid of ideas for too long.

@John Main 10:29am yesterday ’So why isn’t there a guest article from AS, Alba, pro-indy, non-SNP troughers on here every single week?’ Why not indeed?

Given the snowballing corruption in our country a Constitutional Grand Committee needs approaching with caution. If we’re not careful I see the ‘manufactured native elite’, after objecting to it strenuously during its formation, waving their Scottish credentials as they queue for the gravy train.

Everything has to be ready for independence, constitution, currency, etc before a referendum takes place. If at all possible a referendum should be avoided and shouldn’t be held if Nicola Sturgeon, or her acolytes, has anything to do with it.

In the meantime we could look for ways of taking effective action. Think suffragettes, poll tax for non-violent methods of promoting a cause. After the inaction of the last seven years we can’t rely on politicians achieving anything which remotely resembles independence.

Once people recognise in what position sovereignty resides,
We can move on.

We can with confidence plan for the future, diverting away from subjugation, Colonialism, and despotic power.

We are the mandate, we are sovereign people.
And all the globe are protesting together at this very moment in time,
Challenging their despotic governments mandates for their freedom.
We in Scotland are just a little bit slower in comparison to other people in other countries.
The regime change that the elite leaders are attempting to make…..is to steal that sovereignty from the people.

Robert Hughes says:
28 January, 2022 at 6:44 am
‘Imagine if we were all held to account for the things we considered doing – but thought better of’

Yes, imagine if there was an offence like … thought crime?
Maybe closer than you think, Robert. Just listened to an interview on LBC. Lady from Rxpe charity made some tweets expressing concerns of RCEdin., and soon after police appeared at her home to interview her.
They made it clear that no offence had been committed but were interested ‘to know what her thoughts were’ regarding the tweets.

Ebok

Oh absolutely mate . This is precisely where we’re heading via the New *Progressive* Authoritarians .

Who could have imagined in our ( probably ) youthful readings of 1984 , Brave New World and other fictional dystopias we would live to see some of the horrors depicted in them realised in our own country ?
Including what James refers to in the post above .

If we are to lose sovereignty over our own bodies what chance of retaining ANY type of sovereignty over our countries and how we’re governed ?

Robert Hughes.

Indeed it has been a slow and sly plan, Peace by piece, one would imagine them using Orwell’s book as a master plan,
But they were scared before this, when there were talks held in the sixties and seventies how to subdue the revellers and music, seat belts, crash helmets. Health and safety, changing a light bulb,

Laws passed to restrict freedom and the state of happiness.
These health and safety measures & regulations are pretty much reaching its peak, whereby you need to have total government ownership of our bodies , a passport for permission to move freely in your own county and country,
Not for drugs though, as this has blossomed under each government, due to the revenue turnover,

New laws for road users,
new laws for hate speech,
New laws for citizen to be lockup under covid with fines for the disobedient.
new laws for climate change that impoverishes the poor.
New laws for new types of multi genders.
New laws for prisons that are bad for women and safe spaces.
New laws to stop you visiting relatives that are ill.
New laws to stop you seeing friends or partners.

They are pretty much outlawing citizens.

Meanwhile they travel,
They holiday abroad,
Use a aeroplanes at the drop of a hat,
Have convoys of needless vehicles.
Go to test their eyesight.
Check their second homes.
Have extremely close contact when having extra marital affairs,
Hold parties with many others, including with the media reporters.
Go to the Gym.
And do not wear face masks in Cornwall BBQs,
nor while sitting next to David Attenborough.
With royalty swanning from one end of Britain to the other during lockdowns fo covid.

They employ the media and police on us as if we are in China.
Mr Gove and mr Mogg still have solid fuel heating in their background videos during early lockdowns

We are Sovereign. We Elect them,

as Jacob reese Mogg says, they are exempt in Parliament from wearing masks because they are all friends that side of the house.
They have exempted themselves from pretty much every rule they have imposed on us.

The world luckily are beginning to wake up just before it was to late for them to complete their plans.

But if we do not wake up in Scotland and follow the rest of the citizens around the world , we will become a dystopian Scotland.

‘JUDAS KISS?’ an important post by Mia raising very serious questions on yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Mia, among many others, used to comment often on this site.

Rather than protesting.

I think it is time to call a basic citizens assembly, sooner rather than later.

@Robert Hughes 4:57pm
I would like to agree with you but I think I have been given a red card by Stu. I am sitting in the dressing room. Game over for me.

@Robert Hughes 6:10pm
VAR in, downgraded to a yellow card but the referee has my number. I will have to be quiet for a few days. Fair enough.

James Che. says:

They employ the media and police on us as if we are in China.

Dear Dear James
You are forever putting the boot into China. I can only presume you have never been there. I have travelled in China in recent years as an individual from west to east and parts in between. It is an ultra modern country and I absolutely hate coming back to this shithole that Scotland is. I do hope to return once the so called pandemic is over and if I was younger I would apply to go and live in China. I have never met such charming pleasant cheerful helpful people in my life.
Oh and please no crap about there being no democracy, we after all live in the west.

@Wullie

Good post. And you are right. Democracy, AKA the will of the people, is just SOOO over-rated.

Let’s work together to ensure us Scots never, ever get what we want. You can be leader for life, just like they do in China. Have you got anybody in mind to run the concentration camps? Asking for a friend.

Ron Maclean says:
30 January, 2022 at 4:49 pm
‘JUDAS KISS?’ an important post by Mia raising very serious questions on yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Mia, among many others, used to comment often on this site.

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Important? That “article” was pure torture.

Why would you tell anybody that was important?

Jesus.

“Still don’t see how focusing exclusively on the wretchedness of Sturgeon will get us anywhere meaningful if we all already agree on that and those who don’t agree don’t read WOS .”

It’s grim but probably the least grim of all the grim options we have.

If you and others believe a constitutional grand council offers a solution to the situation we are in, the situation we are in is much more dire than I thought.

Davie Oga says:
30 January, 2022 at 11:21 pm

Nice play. Praising China online and and denigrating western democracy. Big ++ on the old digital bio-security, interior passport, social credit thingy…

I’ve been to China too, just a couple of weeks on holiday, but if you go with an open mind, it’s an amazing place, but tremendously industrious trying to catch up with what the West has enjoyed since the 50’s in terms of infrastructure. Paradoxically, because their infrastructure is new and modern, it often looks superior beside Western infrastructure that’s now 50+ years old.

We spent time in Beijing, and a little time off the beaten track, and found the people very friendly and positive, with virtually no animosity towards us at all, although fiercely loyal to China. Which strikes me as fair enough. If you were to put a bigoted Chinese National beside a bigoted British National, you probably wouldn’t like either one of them. If you look for divisive issues to fall out about, you will find them, but you can also choose to embrace respect and empathy, and making the effort to get along is reciprocated.

I suspect a big part of the British Establishment’s suspicion of all things Chinese is less to do with China’s economic might, and more the fear of “payback” for how the British tried to wreck Chinese society with Opium.

China describes a “century of humiliation” where weak Chinese Governments were manipulated, corrupted and conned by Imperial nations, particularly Britain, then invaded by the Japanese with bestial brutality.

It’s a big complex story to discuss, but in my opinion China’s mistrust of the West and outsiders is perfectly understandable, even warranted in many mays, but portraying China as the “monster” in the story is tending to gloss over who the real monsters were, and maybe still are.

When the West acts so obnoxiously provocative towards China or indeed Russia, how in god’s name are the Chinese, Russian, or Arab people expected to react when the psychotic Western colonialists start inviting themselves into their air space and sea lanes, and start encroaching their National boundaries?

If the West wants to rid the World of monsters, they should start by taking a look in the mirror, and try to relate to what the Chinese, Russians and Muslims see.

“If the West wants to rid the World of monsters, they should start by taking a look in the mirror, and try to relate to what the Chinese, Russians and Muslims see.”

Just so.

We are being re-taught that we are wrong about gender issue,
We are of a new crime to even speak out and decuss it,
The same goes for different coloured skins.
Or hate crime introduced into Scottish homes.
Locking sovereign people up.
Fining us for sitting on park benches and having a coffee.
tying down children’s swings so children cannot play in the fresh air.
And drones being flown above to check how and where we walk.

While leaders party and travel by jets and cavalcades of cars.
Have touchy feels close contact during extra marital affairs. Etc etc.

It is us that is living in a totalitarian state,
And We in Scotland can only change our immediate country.
Protest will get people physically abused in Scotland to day by authorities, fined or under lock and key.

We have to do this legally and with peacefully

Sovereignty.
The right to self determination.
The declaration of Arbroath
The claim of right, through the treaty of the union
Human rights entered into the Scottish Parliament legislation from the EU.
Citizens assemblies,
The right to see family, Article ( 8) devolved government.

Gives Scotland’s people a legal head start over many other countries.

James Che, any chance of putting one or two milliseconds of thought into the junk you type? Finding meaning in what you say is like playing a game of Poohsticks on an open sewer.

Have some respect ffs.

Hatuey,
Baiting ignored 🙂

Chas.
I agree with you, reality is often unpleasant.
And for those whom do not like what is said, they suggest others ignore history and facts,
Thanks for pointing that out. I nearly missed it,

Catch up with comment when I get back,

Breeks,
A quick response as got an appointment to go to.

I do not disagree with any of you’re comments.
As mentioned in my posts further back, I have had a horrible experience with a corrupt council,
They were not incompetent,
They were just corrupt
.
At it is often through the whole system of management in Scotland, and yes the ombudsman is a chocolate fire guard.

We know its very unlikely that Sturgeon will hold an indyref in 2023, Ian Murray of BLiS, has urged the Westminster government to block any attempts to hold an indyref.

Union Jack suited Murray is so out of touch that even the nasty Tory parties former MSP Adam Tomkins said of Murray’s comments that he did know where Murray was coming from.

link to 12ft.io

Everything you need to know about Boris and everything we did know about Boris before they foisted him upon us as PM;

link to twitter.com

What’s changed? Why did they suddenly turn against him?

I suspect the answer to that question can be found across the Atlantic, in Washington DC.

Some day they will subject Nicola to the same sort of scrutiny. That’ll be fun. Because let’s be honest, we know they’ll find a lot more than cheese and wine parties.

The big wheel keeps on turning…

Hatuey says: – 31 January, 2022 at 12:31 pm

“Have some respect ffs.”

Hatuey back at the top of his game I see.

What was it you posted just before Xmas Hatuey? Wasn’t it that the unvaxxed should F off and die?

Respect indeed.

Dorothy Devine says: 31 January, 2022 at 10:09 am

“If the West wants to rid the World of monsters, they should start by taking a look in the mirror, and try to relate to what the Chinese, Russians and Muslims see.”

I wonder who said that? Maybes a Russian dissident in the USA. Perhaps one of the Chinese people I regularly meet in Scotland. I recall being told first hand by one that Chinese families often send their children abroad to ensure that if the state comes for the parents, the younger generation will survive and thrive.

It could have been one of these Muslims occupying high office. London mayor Sadiq Khan for example.

I don’t know where you are finding this mirror problem Dorothy. My mirrors are fine, and quite a bit better than any of the mirrors being looked in by the Chinese right now.

I guess the people who crossed the channel today in their rubber dinghies will be agreeing with me.

John main,

I had forgot about that,
being as we, have had so many hospital visits followed by funerals., the last one this week.
All vaxxed by the way.

Hatue me of what Ron Maclean was saying.