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The Bullshitter

Posted on December 31, 2021 by

We’ve had no takers from any Nicola Sturgeon loyalists for this yet, so let’s narrow our focus a bit and see if we can get some joy from the payroll vote.

The quote pictured below is an absolutely unequivocal statement, with no qualifiers or conditions, made during and with full knowledge of a major peak in the COVID-19 pandemic. The halfway point of the current Scottish Parliament is 9 November 2023.


So: I bet Pete Wishart £5,000 that he’s a liar.

I have the money, and on the £100K-a-year-plus-expenses wage he’s been stealing for most of the last 20 years (and let’s not forget the juicy £50,000-a-year Westminster pension he’s built up over two decades of totally failing to deliver the only thing he’s ever been elected to do), we damn sure know that HE has the money.

My bet is simply that there will NOT be a second indyref on or before that date.

Please, everyone reading this with a Twitter account, tweet this to Pete Wishart until he takes five seconds off from attacking real independence campaigners and gives us all his answer, and let’s see if he’s prepared to put a tiny little fraction of his money where his endlessly bloviating mouth is.

Because if he isn’t, we’ll all know why.

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    1. Effigy says:

      Listening to LBC Radio I’m gobsmacked at the number of
      contributors supporting Boris regardless of the facts?

      Even though an angry young woman on TV this morning explained
      the horror of her healthy 55 year old Dad dying of Covid alone while
      Boris broke his own rules by having drinks in his garden for up to 100 people.

      The young woman couldn’t meet more than one family member at a time outside.
      She couldn’t have all the family or close friends at the funeral due to Bojo’s restrictions
      that seen others arrested and or fined for being in a group of 3.

      I don’t know Sue Gray who is investigating but why if the police are not as corrupt as the Tories not investigating this illegal act with a view to prosecute?

      Can you hear anyone at SNP rattling this latest nail in the UK’s coffin?
      No. Me neither.

    2. Dan says:

      Push back to overreach?

      The response of the senior Scottish judiciary to the Government’s consultation on Legal Services Regulation Reform has now been published.

      https://www.judiciary.scot/home/media-information/media-hub-news/2022/01/10/regulation-of-the-legal-professions

    3. Republicofscotland says:

      The lying wretch of a woman Sturgeon is now going from there will be an indyref in 2023 to I’ll do everything in my power to hold one.

      I’m 100% sure than none of her gutless and spineless MSPs will speak out and say you must hold an indyref by any means possible.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19837742.nicola-sturgeon-everything-power-hold-indyref2-2023%2F

    4. Ebok says:

      Big Jock says:
      10 January, 2022 at 8:23 pm
      ‘Chas- To be fair. There isn’t any functioning independence movement to talk about just now. The SNP have abandoned it. It’s why people on here drift onto other topics.
      You can’t really discuss football if the games are cancelled, and the clubs no longer want to play it.’

      It’s worse than that BJ. The game IS still in play, but we’re 1-0 down going into added on time and we’re pussy footing around playing pretty passes in mid-field when we should be in all-out-attack mode.

      Like Robbo, ‘I’m not a learned man just a simple common man of no status’, but you don’t have to be a genius to know the system is taking you for a ride.
      Since Blair, uni’s have been flooded by middle-class no hopers embarking on a career in politics and journalism. These patsies don’t have a clue and simply parrot whatever their masters say.

      I don’t want careerists whose principles are formed by their politics.
      I want leaders whose politics are formed by their principles. Until they emerge, or re-emerge, these pages, like Indy, will remain in limbo.

    5. Republicofscotland says:

      SNP MP Alan Brown bitching in the SNP fanzine the National that Scots will have to pay huge amounts of cash when the Tories Nuclear Energy (Financing) Bill is passed which will see Scots taxed to pay for the building of nuclear power stations in England.

      Brown add that independence is the only way forward for Scotland.

      Don’t tell us Brown, tell your boss Sturgeon who disagrees with you.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19837771.nuclear-obsession-tory-bill-let-firms-charge-customers-build-plants%2F

    6. Robert Hughes says:

      ” The lying wretch of a woman Sturgeon is now going from there will be an indyref in 2023 to I’ll do everything in my power to hold one. ”

      Even before Craig Murray’s recent prediction of how things will most likely pan-out viz Sturgeon’s fatuous * strategy * some of us were predicting the exact same , namely , she’ll fanny about till * towards the end of 2023 ” , the * requested * S30 will be – predictably – refused , ScotGov will instigate a legal challenge , this will be – equally predictably – lost , by which time …” UK G.E imminent , now is not the time , but vote SNP , again ” ……” oh look S.E imminent vote SNP X 2 , again ” and so on ad nauseam .

      This recent totally unconvincing ” everything in my power ” spiel is the Fraud preparing the ground for the next period of abject failure .

      One other scenario is plausible, the fatal one , the one that signals the end of any possibility of Independence … the * granting * of an IndyRef , but only with the exact same franchise as 2014 and the additional ruse of a 3rd Devo-Max option , which would in all likelihood win .

      The players leave the stage , the curtain closes . The End .

    7. James Che. says:

      What is the Scottish libertarian group about and its background?

    8. James Che. says:

      I do not foresee a snp referendum as the way forward even without the “into the future carrot dangling dates” that have moving goal posts on wheels.

      And I would not trust them to negotiate any terms for us if a miracle dodgy referendum did happen.

      It would be 1707 all over again.

    9. James Che. says:

      Effigy.

      Don’t forget the bring your own bottle 100 people attendees party held by Elizabeth in which Boris and Carrie attended while we were all restricted to two people during lockdown.

    10. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi James Che.

      Have you heard of Google?

      https://tinyurl.com/hcxc6x2r

    11. Sarah says:

      Is anyone else about to shoot themselves? This “I intend to..” “within my power..” is the ultimate betrayal by NS and her crew. What on earth are the decent SNP MSPs/MPs thinking now – or doing?

    12. robertknight says:

      @Sarah

      “What on earth are the decent SNP MSPs/MPs thinking now – or doing?”

      I’ve come to the sad conclusion that there are none left in the SNP… they either retired or jumped ship to ALBA.

      All who remain concern themselves with salaries, expenses, and keeping the gullible fed on jam/Indyref2 tomorrow, as per She/Her’s command. They have therefore ceased being “decent” and have morphed into the troughers and lobby-fodder they once themselves despised.

      The tartan piggies are walking on their hind legs, smoking cigars, drinking whisky and playing poker, whilst the likes of you and I look on from outside, wondering how the hell did it come to this…

    13. Dorothy Devine says:

      Sarah , I have to agree with Robert – the SNP politicians are as self interested and lacking in integrity as those we condemn in Westminster.

      I used to argue with those that said they are all the same , I argued that the SNP were not like the others in politics , that it was the media trying to tar them all with the same brush – I have stopped the defensive argument.

    14. Robert Hughes says:

      Correct Robert

      You can’t be * decent * ie strive to fulfil the aspirations of the people who elected you whilst staying silent when those aspirations are being deliberately sabotaged : anyone who thinks this is not deliberate needs to wake the fuck up .

      Indeed Dorothy , it wasn’t so long ago I too had such exchanges with people who were saying ” they’re all the same ” .

      That I actually once stood-up for people like Mhairi Black , believing she was a breath of fresh air ,a down-to-earth , committed advocate of and fighter for Independence only adds to the anger I feel towards her and the entire party of worthless , careerist shitebags .

      I can’t stand to see or hear any of them now and will never forgive their spineless betrayal of our hopes and dreams

    15. Ruby says:

      “I don’t know what’s so difficult to understand. There will be a referendum in the first half of this Parliament. We were elected with the biggest vote ever in a Scottish Parliament election with that commitment and that is exactly what we are going to do.” Pete Wishart

      Do you feel as if you have been conned?

    16. Ruby says:

      “The Scottish first minister used a keynote speech at the Scottish National Party Conference to make the case for her goal of an independent Scotland, while reassuring her party faithful they would have the opportunity to vote for it in a second referendum by the end of 2023.”

      https://archive.is/rKIgd

      Perhaps it’s unfair to be too hard on Pete Wishart after all Sturgeon promised him there would be a 2nd IndyRef.

    17. Sarah says:

      @ robertknight, Dorothy Devine, Robert Hughes, Ruby: I do agree and feel the same as you.

      One of the Desmond Tutu quotes recently seems suitable: “I am not an optimist. I am a prisoner of hope.”

    18. Republicofscotland says:

      Ruby @4.14pm.

      Ruby.

      There’s not a snowballs chance in hell of an indyref in 2023, even the die-hard Politics show host Martin Geissler, who asked Ian Blackford why there was no indyref mentioned in the SNPs business for 2022, seemed stunned when Blackford could only waffle and cough and attempt sidetrack away from the question several weeks back on the show.

    19. Ruby says:

      This is an interesting tweet from

      ‘Craig Murray –
      @CraigMurrayOrg
      ·
      6h
      I have some sympathy for those who want Scottish street names changed to remove links to slavery – eg Jamaica St, Dundas St.
      But stunned at the denial of our own colonial oppression. What about Cumberland St, Hanover St, George St FFS?’

      I wonder if James Che has any info on the origin of street names.

      Union Street was the one that came to mind when I read Craig’s tweet. That in turn made me think of Iain Gray

      https://tinyurl.com/2p9f7j9c

      Any suggestion for new name for Union Street. Should it be something connected with Iain Gray’s escape from Clerkin?

    20. Hatuey says:

      Did anyone think we’d still be waiting on progress on indref2 almost 6 years after England decided to Brexit? Think about that. In the summer of 2016, the mandate for indyref2 was cast-iron. Our hand couldn’t have been stronger.

      And here we are. Nothing. Actually, we are much worse off and further from indyref2 than we were in June 2016 — Sturgeon has destroyed the SNP as a vehicle for independence, destroyed the indy movement because she saw it as a threat to her leadership, and (by stating that the route to independence was through a section 30) massively damaged the argument. If she had simply done nothing, we’d be okay.

      You know how this plays out because you’ve seen it all before. She leaves and they replace her with someone that tells you everything is going to change, indyref2 is just around the corner, it’s a fresh start, and then, after another few years are wasted, we realise we were ripped off again.

      People are struggling to accept that the SNP is a lost cause; it’s rotten to its core. It can’t be fixed. While we were all drooling and dreaming about indyref2, Sturgeon was gutting the party and filling it with her type of people. They don’t give a fuck about independence.

      Here’s my advice. Forget independence for now. Focus on hitting these two-faced troughing scumbags where it hurts, at the ballot box. Get right behind Alba, but not because you want independence, that’s a 10 year project at best. Get behind Alba because you want revenge.

    21. Ruby says:

      Origin of street names is fascinating

      Rose Street was built from 1770 to 1781 as a secondary street running east to west from St Andrew Square to Charlotte Square on the south side of George Street. Its name “Rose” represents England as Thistle Street represents Scotland.

      Princes Street is part of the New Town plan designed by James Craig in 1767, and took its name from the sons of King George III.

      Sauchiehall Street is actually a corruption of the Scots word ‘sauchiehaugh’. ‘Haugh’ means a meadow or valley and ‘sauchie’ refers to the type of trees that grew there, so Sauchiehall roughly translates to Willow Grove

      Sauchiehall Street can stay.

      Albert Street
      It was named after Prince Albert, the consort of Queen Victoria of England.

      Does anyone know the names of the ‘parcel of rogues’ who
      ‘sold for English gold”. Do they have streets named after them?

    22. John Main says:

      @Hatuey says: 10 January, 2022 at 7:26 pm

      “Read what I said more carefully. Try addressing what I actually say.”

      He says that, just after saying the following:

      “With all the lockdowns and measures that you and people like you said were too harsh and unnecessary, around 200 thousand people in the UK have died.”

      Latest ONS figure is 150,069 UK deaths within 28 days of a positive test, so you are out by 50,000 deaths Hatuey.

      In addressing what you actually said there, I wonder why you need to inflate your numbers by 50,000 in order to make your point.

      But here’s something interesting for you to ponder Hatuey. A growing number of epidemiologists are concluding that the lockdowns killed more people than they saved. They start from the realisation that an infection that is spread by people forced into close contact in enclosed spaces is best reduced by encouraging people to get out into the open air. They back that up with the stats that now show that countries with the most stringent lockdowns are topping the lists of countries with the highest deaths.

    23. Ruby says:

      Hautey says forget independence for the next ten years &
      just vote for Alba if you want revenge.

      Anyone suspect Hautey might be one of the ‘cozy slippers’ or is he just totally bonkers!

      ‘Cozy slippers’ is how I refer to every single one of the SNP politicians not just gullible Pete.

    24. twathater says:

      What angers me so much is that the ordinary people who are not really interested in politics don’t even stop to wonder why, if Scotland is producing energy enough to have an excess boasted about endlessly by the nsnp wtf are we paying such exorbitant prices for our energy , why when the arsehole publicly announced at the 2017 snp jamboree to much fervour and exaltation by the assembled carrot eaters why has there NOT been open revolt in the membership and office bearers to her blase’ cancelling of a public energy company

      Politics is in dire straits and unfortunately looking into the future it will remain so unless people say enough is enough and do something about it

      We have a WM govt that believes it is untouchable , it brings in laws to restrict public movement under the auspices that if not adhered too THE pandemic will overwhelm the health services and lead to its collapse , those laws were backed up by police action and the prosecution service by penalising and prosecuting ANY members of the public who broke those laws , YET we have a PM and members of his family alongside a host of civil servants and politicians breaking those same laws that ordinary people are penalised and prosecuted for and the MET goes looking for a hole to hide in

      I watched the clown bozo being interviewed on the news about the parties???? he just adopted the not at all priti patel SMIRK and waffled as usual

      The ONE thing that WM and HR corruption , lies , and ineptitude has in common is a bigger corrupt and lying inept Broadcast and MSM , IF they were doing their jobs properly and had ANY integrity they would EXPOSE the cesspits of WM and HR , the public would maybe then realise just how incompetent these clowns really are

    25. Hatuey says:

      John Main, I didn’t base the 200 thousand deaths on the ONS data that you refer to. Try looking at data based on covid being mentioned on death certificates, from memory about 180k, and make the reasonable assumption that many died without being diagnosed.

      You then create another flawed argument when you talk about the costs of locking down versus not locking down. But I’m arguing for neither. After the initial lockdown we had very nearly eradicated covid in Scotland. I argued that we shouldn’t let it back in, intensify track and trace, and avoid lockdowns and deaths permanently.

      The initial lockdown was only necessary after they messed up. I was against that too and believe it could easily have been avoided.

      Suicidal ideas like yours caused the lockdowns, just as they caused the deaths. I’ve been against suicidal ideas, deaths, and lockdowns since the start.

    26. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The “cozy slippers” in whom I am most disappointed is Chris Law.
      During the campaign in 2014, he was a bit of a maverick, undertaking his tour of Scotland in the “Spirit Of Independence” ‘green goddess’ fire engine.
      That fire engine was converted in Bob Costello’s workshop (Bob was the man behind “Team YES Bus”). Bob also provided the ‘Business For Scotland’ battlebus.
      The feeling that is growing within members of the YES movement is that former YESSERS, once elected, forgot who had voted for them in 2015.

      IT WAS US! We who want independence!

      Ms Sturgeon and her @®$€lickers have let us all down.

      But what can we do?

      As others have typed, the SNP need a good kick in the €®$€ in this year’s council elections. We must persuade Labour voters (like Brian Cox, see video below), who have lent their votes to the SNP, to vote for ALBA, instead of the ‘independence lite’ SNP, to make a point that, we, the voters, can’t be taken for granted.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPjvv1fKjSs
      BTW: there’s quite a number of now ALBA members to be seen in that video.

    27. Republicofscotland says:

      “What angers me so much is that the ordinary people who are not really interested in politics don’t even stop to wonder why”

      Twathater.

      A lot of folk are too busy trying to make ends meet, to take areal interest in actually what’s going on with Scotland as part of this rancid union, and the media do there best not to awaken Scots to what the situation is in Scotland.

      Things will not get any better as long as we’re part of this union.

    28. North chiel says:

      “Twathater says @0547 pm “ couldn’t agree more with your recent post . However, the way I “ read this” is that Bojo couldn’t care less about his “ antics” in office . He was brought in by the Tory hierarchy to get the “ English” government out of the EU at any price ( and we are paying now ) . Job done . He is “ working” his way out now & true to form the Tories will engineer their usual “ internal coup” & depose him ( probably already agreed with him) and a “ new Tory front person for the thugs in charge” will be appointed . Thereafter the Tory controlled media outlets will do the necessary to propagate the “ new messiah” . However, if necessary and if the Tory hierarchy deem it necessary, the 2nd eleven establishment government under the “ pro Israeli “ Labour leadership will be “ fine for 2 or 3 years “to sort out the Brexit shambles & the financial “ fallout” from both the pandemic & Brexit
      The Tories will have it all figured out ( long term) as usual . Meanwhile the “ numpties” at Holyrood can’t see past the “ end of their nose” ? Outmanoeuvred as usual)

    29. Hatuey says:

      Clearly there’s differences of opinion amongst YES voters with regards to the question of how we build momentum for independence and the ability or seriousness of the SNP in respect of that goal.

      If you are an SNP loyalist who simply wants to see the SNP doing more towards independence, there’s a simple way to force the issue — support Alba.

      If you are losing confidence in the SNP and want to fix the party before it’s too late, there’s a simple solution — support Alba.

      If you feel the SNP is a lost cause and simply want a new party to take the lead in pursuing independence — support Alba.

      If you want to punish SNP politicians like Sturgeon who think you’re a mug — support Alba.

      It’s as simple and logical as that. As Alba grows in strength, pressure on the SNP grows too.

    30. Dorothy Devine says:

      Forgive me for being underwhelmed by your statement , Hatuey.

      Most if not all of us had already reached the conclusion that our hopes are pinned on ALBA and a fully involved and aware Scottish electorate – the latter being the fly in the ointment.

    31. Ruby says:

      https://archive.is/YRZox

      There will need to be a lot of street name changes (& hospitals) when Scotland becomes a republic.

      https://tinyurl.com/yckp6tx6

      Sturgeon Street, Ormiston?

      If you won that house in a raffle would you live in Sturgeon Street or sell it?

    32. robbo says:

      Dorothy Devine says:
      11 January, 2022 at 7:58 pm
      Forgive me for being underwhelmed by your statement , Hatuey.

      Most if not all of us had already reached the conclusion that our hopes are pinned on ALBA and a fully involved and aware Scottish electorate – the latter being the fly in the ointment.

      ————–

      Exactly Dorothy.

      The phrase – “no shit sherlock Hatuey” comes to mind.

      Anyhow- where were we?

    33. Ruby says:

      I definitely don’t think we should just sit around doing nothing except voting for Alba for the next 10 years.

      I thought the carrot protest was very good. It wasn’t much but it did attract media attention & pissed off gullible Pete.

      My suggestion is there should be more protests. At least one a week.

      Nothing too cumbersome & difficult to organise. Just a few local people protesting outside the offices of the local ‘cozy slippers’ Labour & Tory politicians. Protests should be filmed and put up on Twitter Gettr etc.
      Keep in mind the media get most of their ‘news’ from Twitter.

      These protests should be fun something that would attract the attention of the people who are too busy for politics.

      I wonder if people are too busy for politics or they just don’t see the point in getting involved.

      More street names
      https://archive.is/1AUjp#selection-1929.0-1935.57

      Anyone live in
      Bellenden Gardens?

      https://archive.is/8y2QO

    34. Hatuey says:

      Dorothy: “Most if not all of us had already reached the conclusion that our hopes are pinned on ALBA “

      Really? So, who do you think voted the SNP last May?

      The point I’m making is that we need to think of Alba as something more than a protest group that only appeals to more radical elements or pro-Salmond types in the party.

      If Alba is to succeed, it needs to have broad appeal across all sectors of the YES movement, even those that remain broadly happy with the SNP.

    35. robbo says:

      In the spirit of the playful and poetic way.

      A wee birdy told me that a an SNP representative lived at no 1 Bellenden Gardens.
      I wonder who ?

      Of course that’ll be SNPphobic these days. Fun has been abolished.

    36. Derek says:

      “Hatuey says:
      11 January, 2022 at 5:15 pm
      Here’s my advice. Forget independence for now.”

      Eh…. naw.

    37. Effigy says:

      The independent reports on Downing St staff being
      Instructed to clean up their phones.

      Perverting the course of justice is what they used to call it.

      Now why would the innocent be concerned about what might be on mobile phones?

      Arrest all the staff and all the phones now.
      Start with the person puting out the instruction

    38. Hatuey says:

      Derek: “Eh…. naw.”

      A fantastically defiant tone, but do you have an equally fantastic means of achieving independence in the next 5 years that doesn’t involve the SNP?

      I guess that’s that fantastic conversation over…

      Once you accept that the SNP are going to do nothing except let you down, you move on to a whole new timescale, and that new timescale depends entirely on Alba.

    39. twathater says:

      @ North Chiel 7.01pm TBQH if I were one of the people who unfortunately lost their loved ones during the pandemic and was not allowed to have a proper funeral with restrictions placed on mourners numbers , or people who lost parents in care homes and weren’t allowed to visit them due to the LEGISLATION passed by these scumbags I would seriously be looking to source and unite fellow mourners to take on a class action private prosecution of the attendees to these government and civil service parties including bozo , that may wipe the SMIRK off his face

      I would also pursue and include the inept and corrupt head of the MET police force because it is totally unbelievable that the police officers at Downing St did not know that these parties were happening and the number of attendees and who they were at these events , these officers know everything that is happening for security reasons , but while they will gleefully charge and prosecute ordinary people for breaking the covid laws , they adopt the see ,hear ,speak no evil position for the establishment

    40. Dorothy Devine says:

      hatuey , your point is already made by many , you are instructing no-one.

    41. Ruby says:

      Nicola Sturgeon promised us something that is not within her power to deliver.

      She conned us.

      We need to call for her resignation.

      Nicola OUT OUT OUT.

    42. Ruby says:

      All the bloody ‘cozy slippers’ went along with Nicola’s con.

      These bloody ‘cozy slippers’ are the ones who should be protesting.

      Surely Joanna Cherry should have advised us that Nicola was promising us something she did not have the power to deliver?

      Every SNP politician is a ‘cozy slipper’ no exceptions not even for Joanna Cherry or Angus Brendan MacNeil.

      Time for all the ‘cozy slippers’ to get a wake up call.

    43. Ruby says:

      If you think we should forget about independence don’t bother reading this post. Just go back to sleep or join Pamela in SIU.

      When we have finished calling for Cozy Slipper Sturgeon’s resignation and given all the Cozy Slippers a wake up call we can move on to the Unionists.

      A protest outside Douglas Ross’ office asking him why he wants to keep us prisoners in the Union? Does he like being a colonial master? Remind him that ‘Scots lives matter’

      Same for Sarwar.

      Being that the’Cozy Slippers’ at Westminster are doing nothing we might have to take a trip to Westminster and protest there.

    44. Ruby says:

      https://tinyurl.com/yckznwzy

      Benjamin A Boyce has done a number of interviews with de-transitioners.

      Tragic stories. They suggest mentally ill people are being taken advantage of.

      ‘Cozy Slipper Sturgeon’ might want to watch these videos.

    45. Republicofscotland says:

      Well the three ringed circus has sprung into action especially in the Sturgeon fanzine the National newspaper, in which it calls for Johnson to resign, the crux of the matter being what difference would it make to Scots and independence, as the Westminster parties are against Scottish independence period.

      Johnson fate is just another sideshow that Blackford and Sturgeon are exploiting to fool the indy masses in Scotland.

    46. Fionan says:

      I tried to follow the Boyce interview from the link posted by Ruby but tbh, he was drunk as a skunk, and in the time I endured his slurred questions, drinkers flushed face, bloodshot eyes and swaying in his seat, there was only one very brief mention of transitioning. Maybe there was more interesting chat later on, but how much irrelevant chitchat would have to be listened to first?

      And what relevance has any of the drunken chitchat in the interview to our independence movement and ways to progress? Trans stuff has some relevance given the snp gov is about to impose self id on us and is currently feeding trans propaganda to kids in school, therefore has a bearing on our country now and in the future, but the interview seemed to be about anything except trans stuff and the problems with de-transitioning. Ruby seems determined to divert all btl commenting away from current affairs in the indy sphere, and gives the distinct impression that he/she is pretty much self-absorbed and even narcissistic in his/her puerile witterings. He/she is probably one of the main players in driving sensible commenters away from wings and in shutting down the blog as an indy resource. Along with the other two who indulge with Ruby in their constant playground bickering. Why don’t the three of you go set up a site of your own to hold your verbal pissing contests? Let the rest of us follow and discuss current indy affairs and opinions in peace and in a reasonably intelligent way without the barrage of insults which litter each and every thread now. And no, Ellis, I dont count your self-important, insult-strewn comments as intelligent or interesting in any way, it is nothing more than repetitive self-promotion and attacks on all who disagree with you.

    47. James says:

      Arms Industry Andy (I’m done with this site) Ellis?
      Shurely shome mishtake?

    48. Republicofscotland says:

      Isn’t it interesting to note that some in Johnson’s Tory party are calling for his resignation, yet SNP MSPs keep their mouths firmly shut on the antics of Sturgeon, not a whimper from any of them, and not one single SNP MSP calling for her to resign.

      What a gutless and spineless bunch our SNP MSPs are, too craven to do the right thing for Scotland, lets hit them where it hurts in May’s council election by voting for the Alba party.

    49. Big Jock says:

      Republic- Exactly ‘Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic’. Will not help Scotland’s fate.

      We shouldn’t be relying on third party events to get independence. Sturgeon has used third party events to cancel our democracy. At what point is Scotland going to grow a pair and make it’s own decisions.

    50. Republicofscotland says:

      Christ Almighty! Dennis Canavan, has been sucked into believing in Sturgeon’s 2023 indyref.

      He doesn’t believe her do everything in her power comment, is backtracking.

      Previously she said their will be an indyref in 2023.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19840387.indyref2-nicola-sturgeon-not-backtracking-plans-says-dennis-canavan%2F

    51. Ruby says:

      Let the rest of us follow and discuss current indy affairs and opinions in peace and in a reasonably intelligent way without the barrage of insults which litter each and every thread now.

      Weird that Fionan has just posted a barrage of insults and absolutely nothing about independence.

      I’ll await his/her gems of wisdom as to how we progress to independence.

      Very weird reaction to the Benjamin A Boyce video!

      I just wonder why someone with such a low opinion of me would
      1. Read my posts
      2. Bother to open a video that I posted.

    52. Fionan says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      12 January, 2022 at 11:19 am
      Christ Almighty! Dennis Canavan, has been sucked into believing in Sturgeon’s 2023 indyref.

      Yes, it quite defies belief that so many otherwise intelligent people are so easily sucked in, especially long-time, experienced politicians like Canavan who have seen so many political ‘promises’ in their lifetimes, made to hush the masses for a while if they look like they are getting restless, then to be broken once the masses have forgotten and gone silent again.

      I cant remember who ran courses for independence campaigners in ‘reading between the lines’, or in other words, discourse analysis, or when these took place, (surely not as far back as 2013-4??) but more such courses, informative articles etc really need to be presented,not just to campaigners but to the general public so they can see the way they are being manipulated and hushed by the unionist politicians (including the devolutionist NSNP).

    53. Hatuey says:

      Fionan, I could not agree more with your assessment but if you include myself as one of the three then I think you are mistaken. I very rarely respond to her in any way, despite her continual attempts to bait me. Scroll back and see.

      As for driving people away, yes, it’s tiring and has created a very unpleasant atmosphere.

      Now that you’ve called her out, you can expect her to come back and suck up to certain gullible people, pretend all she ever cared about was independence, and act reasonably normal for about a day… that’s the usual pattern.

      She’ll be right back to obsessing about me and generally needling soon enough, though. It’s a strange definition of a life.

    54. Republicofscotland says:

      This is extremely serious but I can’t find a link to it in the National newspaper.

      The Scottish government are attempting to set up a body that would see the Scottish judicial system accountable to it, lawyers and judges have vowed to fight the proposal as it amounts to interference with the rule of law.

      This answering to the Scottish government would remove the independence of the judiciary in legal matters. The judiciary has said it will resist this with all it strength and any other attempts by the Scottish government or the Holyrood parliament to remove the court regulatory powers.

      Another step in Sturgeon’s plan to turn Scotland into an authoritarian state.

    55. Hatuey says:

      Fionan: “I cant remember who ran courses for independence campaigners in ‘reading between the lines’, or in other words, discourse analysis…”

      Not wishing to appear a blatant sycophant, but Rev Stu did that better than anyone. I know he needs time off and deserves a break, maybe he’s had enough, we couldn’t criticise him for any of that, but you wonder what he’d make of the bullshit that’s unfolding right now.

    56. Ruby says:

      Yes, it quite defies belief that so many otherwise intelligent people are so easily sucked in,

      Not really! It’s all about the money hence the moniker ‘Cozy Slippers’

    57. Ruby says:

      but you wonder what he’d make of the bullshit that’s unfolding right now.

      https://www.gettr.com/user/RevStu

    58. PacMan says:

      An interesting link here about woke in Hollywood:


      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwnews.co.uk%2Fuk-news%2Fhollywood-will-barely-whisper-it-but-wokeness-will-kill-industry-peter-kiefer-and-peter-savodnik

      The part that caught my eye is as follows:

      We spoke to more than 25 writers, directors, and producers—all of whom identify as liberal, and all of whom described a pervasive fear of running afoul of the new dogma.

      This was the case not just among the high command at companies like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu, but at every level of production.

      How to survive the revolution?

      By becoming its most ardent supporter.

      ‘Best way to defend yourself against the woke is to out-woke everyone, including the woke,’ one writer said.

      I don’t doubt the same has happened in the SNP where the established ones who didn’t want to squeezed out became more woke than the recent woke joiners who is pushing it.

    59. Breeks says:

      https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202100261720/

      Patience please, I’m not familiar with FOI details, but if I’m reading this correctly, the SNP have appointed one, yes one, Civil Servant with other duties and zero support staff, to work on the Detailed Prospectus for Independence.

    60. Hatuey says:

      Watching Boris squirm insincerely in The Commons gives me no satisfaction. These people are trained to lie in public schools from an early age, just as they’re programmed to attach zero value to human life at those same schools, particularly the lives of those defined as “ordinary” people.

      The SNP are conflicted when it comes to Covid handling, despite not going to those same schools. They have been in lockstep with Boris and his government since day one, helping him impose policies on us that resulted in thousands of Scots dying.

      And that’s the context of all these shenanigans in the Commons. Out of around 200 countries in this world, the UK sits comfortably in the top ten worst when it comes to covid deaths. And that’s the tragic truth that nobody, not Boris, Sturgeon, or any fool on here, can ignore.

      If this disease ever mutates in a really serious direction, well, we are fucked, aren’t we…

    61. Republicofscotland says:

      Breeks @12.41pm.

      On the subject of independence.

      Says it all really.

      “ONLY one question about preparations for a second independence referendum was asked in the previous Holyrood term by a SNP MSP.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19834317.holyrood-msps-choose-focus-last-term%2F

    62. Effigy says:

      Boris the Racist, Scot Hating, Bullying, Corrupt, Lying Sex Predator must remain
      in power as the most likely source leading to Scottish Independence!

      Long May he mismanage Covid, the Economy, Brexit and fill the pockets
      of all leading Tory Supporters, their families and Pub Landords!

    63. Republicofscotland says:

      As Sturgeon does nothing on the indyfront (SNP business for 2022 doesn’t include anything on Scottish independence) the Tories are working hard to neuter any attempts of Scottish independence.

      Remind me again how many civil Servants are working hard in Scotland to bring about an indyref or plebiscitary election?

      “According to the UK Government, Gray is responsible for both the Union Directorate – a team of around two dozen Whitehall workers based in the Cabinet Office particularly focused on preventing Scottish independence”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19841797.sue-gray—civil-servant-power-scotlands-future%2F

    64. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      Erm ..I had heard awhile ago that there was a team set up to prevent Scottish independence, I believe that Gove was part of that team originally,

    65. James Che. says:

      Uk parliament changed Scots Law on Treason which was to be held to Scotland in the acts of the treaty of the union

    66. James Che. says:

      Breeks.

      They will probably just use alex’s White paper, make one or two minor changes and call it their own work .

      The same as roads and bridges they stole credit for latterly.

    67. James Che. says:

      Pac-Man.

      The thing is compared to the vast majority of people in this world, there is only a small minority that are woke,

      They just have extra large media voices,
      For what or where would the be without the help of media pressuring and propagandising their agendas.?
      None of us would have even heard of those that perhaps needed a different kind of help medically.

    68. James Che. says:

      Did the judge in America just refuse Andy Pandys case for dismissal.

    69. Derek says:

      I’ve bever been a member of a political party, and don’t intend to change that. I will, however, continuw to work towards independence – whoever delivers it. I prefer to be an optimist rather than a pessimist

      James – yes; the judge dismissed his case against the trial. Don’t know details, just seen headlines.

    70. Republicofscotland says:

      James Che @2.44pm.

      Yes James this was the unit, I say that, because it ended up in disarray, though I’m sure they are back at plotting our demise as in my 1.41pm comment.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2F2021%2Ffeb%2F28%2Fthe-union-unit-inside-the-no-10-team-tasked-with-keeping-uk-together

    71. Republicofscotland says:

      Royal parasite to stand trial.

      “PRINCE Andrew will be tried over allegations he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre when she was underage after a US judge ruled her civil lawsuit can proceed.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19842312.prince-andrew-face-trial-judge-throws-attempts-dismiss-virginia-giuffre-case%2F

    72. Hatuey says:

      It’s not been a good day for the British establishment.

      Pity there’s no pro-independence party to capitalise.

    73. Republicofscotland says:

      Judge rules unlawful on the Tory fastlane buddy PPE contracts, Judge also rules that the public cannot know how much taxpayers cash was wasted on phoney PPE supplier companies such as Pestfix and Ayanda.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19841689.high-court-rules-tory-governments-vip-lane-ppe-contracts-unlawful%2F

    74. Dorothy Devine says:

      There is a heart wrenching RSPCA advert on right now – please remember that they have 55 million who can contribute or cause the need and Scotland has the SSPCA with only 5 million to contribute or cause.

    75. Dan says:

      @ Republicofscotland at 11:39 am

      I posted a link at the top of this new page in case you missed it. Nobody responded though. 🙁

      “The response of the senior Scottish judiciary to the Government’s consultation on Legal Services Regulation Reform has now been published.”

      https://www.judiciary.scot/home/media-information/media-hub-news/2022/01/10/regulation-of-the-legal-professions

      Consultation Summary is only a couple of pages.

      https://www.judiciary.scot/docs/librariesprovider3/judiciarydocuments/regulatory-role-page/executive-summary.pdf?sfvrsn=5b155b9c_2

      For some reason I was looking back at shizzle and found this which seems appropriate…

      Once in a Lifetime – Ian Blackford (Talking Bollox remix)

      And we may find oorselves out of the EU against oor will
      And we may find oorselves living in a smaller world.
      And we may find oorsleves under the heal of an oppressive regime
      And we may find oorselves in a shit house, with compromised a life
      And we may ask oorselves, “Well…how did we get here?”

      Answer = #BothVotesSNP

    76. Dorothy Devine says:

      P.S I have just gone on to the Westminster petitions site to discover so many against Blair getting any reward , award , knighthood etc have been rejected. I am deeply disappointed.

    77. Robert Hughes says:

      Dan @ 4.53

      ” this is not my beautiful Independence Movement , how did I ( we ) get here ? ”

      Aye , those statements bode well for an indication the Legal Profession is going to be VERY resistant to the outrages proposed by GrotGov .

      Let’s see how they react to kickback from a body that carries a bit of clout . My guess is they’ll cave under sustained pressure , or even a little bit of pressure , weasly bawbags that they are

    78. John Main says:

      @Hatuey – 12 January, 2022 at 12:46 pm

      “Out of around 200 countries in this world, the UK sits comfortably in the top ten worst when it comes to covid deaths.”

      Another day, another fucking lie from Hatuey.

      It takes no time at all to find a league table of Covid deaths, just as it takes no time at all to find the latest death totals.

      The UK stands at #26 in the world. UK deaths are 150,125.

      For some time I have been mystified why Hatuey has been peddling this consistent Covid baloney; Covid is “deadly”, 200k people have died in the UK, we are just about the worst in the world, etc. etc.

      My conclusion is that Hatuey wants the current Covid paralysis to endure for as long as possible. He knows that the more doom and gloom he can whip up, the more Scots will be side-tracked and diverted. He believes that the more terrified we all are, the less we will want to rock the boat for other concerns such as Indy, energy supply shortages, WM government corruption, HR government criminality, and getting things back to normal to run the economy and fund the NHS, etc.

      Yup Hatuey, I reckon I have you sussed.

    79. twathater says:

      @ Dan 4.43pm thanks for that link to the conclusions I had looked at your links yesterday which had over 100 pages and started on it but she who must be obeyed demanded something else take priority , as for the conclusions as Robert Hughes said grotgov may find some resistance to their proposals

      It is just a pity that the legal profession have remained omerta when one of their number chose to go rogue and has effectively demeaned and denigrated the Scottish justice system worldwide , all in the name of self promotion and protecting a reviled corrupt deviant and her fellow conspiritors

    80. Robert graham says:

      A free gift for Mr Hatman

      A copy of Robert F Kennedy Jrs book The Real Anthony Fauci currently selling on Amazon for £ 22.62 is yours for the asking

      Just post your address , in your case what Army group are you assigned to this will probably have a PO Box number.

      Go on it’s free what’s not to like eh ? If you want give your address to the Rev Stu and he could probably pass your free copy on to you .

      Have a nice day now .

    81. Benhope says:

      Boris Johnson has been the best recruiting sergeant for Scottish independence for the last two years.Certainly there has been nothing inspiring from the current SNP leadership to fire up the movement.

      Now the SNP demand that he resigns.Surely the longer he stays in post the better.Another major tactical error by the strategy free zombies leading the Scottish Government.

    82. Hatuey says:

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

      John Main should know better by now; every time he challenges me he makes himself look dumb and dumberer.

      Anyway, the UK, as I said, is comfortably in the top ten worst countries when it comes to covid deaths and if you click the link above you’ll see we currently sit 7th.

      Johns Hopkins agrees; https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

      Everybody agrees except dumb John.

    83. Big Jock says:

      Hatuey. For a certainty the UK is the worst for Covid deaths in Europe. I would guess at 3rd worst per head of population in the world. Yet the right wing press think the UK has the best approach.

    84. wee monkey says:

      John Main says:
      12 January, 2022 at 5:18 pm
      @Hatuey – 12 January, 2022 at 12:46 pm

      “Out of around 200 countries in this world, the UK sits comfortably in the top ten worst when it comes to covid deaths.”

      Another day, another fucking lie from Hatuey.

      It takes no time at all to find a league table of Covid deaths, just as it takes no time at all to find the latest death totals.

      The UK stands at #26 in the world. UK deaths are 150,125.

      For some time I have been mystified why Hatuey has been peddling this consistent Covid baloney; Covid is “deadly”, 200k people have died in the UK, we are just about the worst in the world, etc. etc.

      My conclusion is that Hatuey wants the current Covid paralysis to endure for as long as possible. He knows that the more doom and gloom he can whip up, the more Scots will be side-tracked and diverted. He believes that the more terrified we all are, the less we will want to rock the boat for other concerns such as Indy, energy supply shortages, WM government corruption, HR government criminality, and getting things back to normal to run the economy and fund the NHS, etc.

      Yup Hatuey, I reckon I have you sussed.

      Yeah I don’t understand the misinformation, what is the point.

    85. Effigy says:

      The U.K. has 15 Million Covid cases recorded.
      With excess deaths the total is over 175,000.

      The only 3 countries with higher numbers has populations 3 to 20 times
      greater. There are over 200 nations on the planet.

      As one of the richest nations on earth are we supposed to be celebrating
      that pro rata we have lower death rates than less affluent or poverty stricken nations?

      The Tories have been mismanaging Covid and the economy both since day one.
      They rack up our debts while filling their pockets.

    86. Republicofscotland says:

      I just can’t over how many folk think the sun shines out of Pete Wishart’s arse, not only that they believe him that Sturgeon will hold an indyref next year.

      “Just look at the state of these Alba clowns. They actually came all the way to Perth to embarrass themselves like this. There will be next to nobody in Perth who will have even the faintest idea who Stuart Campbell is….”

      https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/1480202611458560001

    87. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      This post has a lot of facts that can be respouted to Nicolettes, who can see no wrong.

      Covers her ignominious departure from the legal profession.

      https://caltonjock.com/2022/01/12/the-fall-out-from-the-fruitless-pursuit-of-alex-salmond-by-nicola-sturgeon-is-not-yet-at-an-end/

    88. Hatuey says:

      That’s right, Effigy, although there’s a few ways of measuring. I’ve used the absolute death toll which doesn’t account for population size, making the UK 7th in world rankings ; when you factor in population size, the position worsens, as you suggest.

      It’s hard to imagine why anyone would want to attack you for saying any of this. And I don’t know why so many people go silent in here and let them away with it.

    89. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Effigy (7.46) is entitled to post incomprehensible rubbish, and you, Hatuey, (9.02) are free to encourage him.

      But neither of you have the right to expect anyone to take you seriously.

    90. Hatuey says:

      Ian, the data I’m quoting is correctly quoted. You might want to take issue with the data itself, but attacking me for referring to it is just shooting the messenger.

      Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, we have official data on covid deaths. And whether you like it or not, based on that data, the UK is comfortably in the top 10 worst when it comes to covid deaths.

      Are we being told that we can’t refer to what most people regard as uncontroversial facts on Wings?

    91. wull says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      12 January, 2022 at 11:39 am
      This is extremely serious but I can’t find a link to it in the National newspaper.

      The Scottish government are attempting to set up a body that would see the Scottish judicial system accountable to it, lawyers and judges have vowed to fight the proposal as it amounts to interference with the rule of law.

      This answering to the Scottish government would remove the independence of the judiciary in legal matters. The judiciary has said it will resist this with all it strength and any other attempts by the Scottish government or the Holyrood parliament to remove the court regulatory powers.

      Another step in Sturgeon’s plan to turn Scotland into an authoritarian state.

      One of the starting-points of this move towards / accomplishment of transforming Scotland into an authoritarian state was the creation of Police Scotland. By amalgamating all of Scotland’s former Police Forces into one, they politicised the new body, making it entirely dependent and accountable to the Executive, the Scottish Government. Previously, if there was any hint of or complaint about serious corruption, or indeed political interference in the operations of one of Scotland’s several Police Forces, the accused force could be investigated by a commission with members from the other forces.

      That was not a perfect system, but simply the fact that such steps could be taken must have discouraged such tendencies (admittedly ever-present), and helped, if not to eliminate them, at least to keep them under control.

      That system was basically destroyed, and the threat it posed to anyone tempted to indulge in such interference or corruption lifted, when there was to be only one Police Force. Monopolies don’t self-regulate, they just avoid regulation. That the top of the Police Force would allow itself to be manipulated or controlled or simply used by politicians, for their own political ends, should have been entirely foreseeable.

      I am not saying that this did not happen before but that now, with the potential and actual curbs lifted, it was bound to increase.

      Surely just as foreseeable as the emergence a police force under the thumb of its political masters was the likelihood of a prosecution service that would willingly collapse itself into the hands of the Executive, and operate according to the whims and desires, needs and commands of its political masters, the Scottish Government. This has already happened, blatantly and shamelessly: it was all over our tv screens and so easy to see, we all know when. And, besides the big one, it is as clear as daylight in all these other malicious prosecutions, the defence of which was the utterly pathetic ‘malicious doesn’t actually mean malicious’.
      Well what does it mean?

      How can you actually operate a legal system, far less implement a law, in which words don’t mean what they say? Where words have no actual meaning, there can be no such thing as ‘the rule of law’. The law becomes a malleable thing which those in power can interpret at whim to mean whatever they want it to mean, suiting their purposes of the moment. If you (whoever ‘you’ is) – i.e. if someone, for instance the government, or the prosecution services or the police or (as the government now wants it) the judges and the law courts, if these people have the power to decide that words mean, whatever the law is they will be able to interpret it and implement it any way they want, even if it suits them in different ways at the same time, and differently for different people.

      And when we have all the above-mentioned individuals or bodies or institutions working together, in a top-down line of command controlled by the government executive (which is fundamentally what is unfolding before our eyes), then the government can prosecute and incarcerate whoever they want to, whenever it suits them.

      And when the government is reduced to one person, surrounded by weak-kneed and servile-minded flunkeys who simply bow down before her, or him, ot it, or whatever pronoun that First person personally prefers, well … I won’t spell it all out (having been so pedantic about it already).

      This is where we are, and now the law profession is beginning to protest about it. Even Roddy Dunlop gave a full-throttle salute to his colleagues therein for beginning to stand up and speak. About time too.

      But how come it took them so long? It’s been obvious this is where we are going from the very beginning of the way the false Salmond accusations were handled, and absolutely glaring in the way that farce of a Holyrood non-Enquiry into it was conducted. And when all that was going on under our and their noses, we didn’t hear at the time a cheep about it from those at the top of the legal profession who should have been raging, not even when the trial and the enquiry were over.

      I am glad they are raging now, and I hope they prove effective, but I fear they may have – probably have – left it too late. Why didn’t they do it earlier, when it was so obviously needed? To many, now that they are so belatedly beginning to speak up. it will look as if they are only protecting their own vested interests in the matter. I don’t suppose any of us will be surprised if or when the Scottish government smears them in that way, with that kind of accusation.

      And since our politicos are so good at slinging mud, and have piles of the stuff on supply in their enormous political storehouse – what else do they think about? – they’ll no doubt get it to stick with constant repetition.

      At the same time, Republicofscotland is absolutely correct: this is ‘extremely serious’ stuff. Civil liberties have been hugely corroded in Scotland in the last seven years, and the juggernaut rushing towards real totalitarianism looks virtually unstoppable now. Whatever we might think personally of our legal profession and the top-dogs in it, they really must win this, for our good and the good of all of us – the whole of Scotland – not just themselves. And we should support them.

      In the end, there is something at stake here that is even more important than independence, and it really needs to be fought. What kind of a society are we becoming under the current misrule? Where will it all end up? Basic human rights, and truthfulness, have to be fought for, steadfastly, against all the fantasists who want to corrupt words in order to twist reality into a giant caricature of their own unreality to the detriment of us all.

      The alternative is to become prisoners in the untruthful world – the negation of all basic reality – which they are inventing for themselves and are so determined to impose on all of us. I fully understand Rev Stuart having had enough of just about everything to do with this, but how I wish he would come back to fight this corner. A Scotland in which a government and its lackeys can trample human rights and basic decency underfoot is not anything any of us should ever wish to see. That goes or should go for all of us: both those of us who are 100% for independence and those who are against it.

    92. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Hatuey –

      Here’s the ‘official’ record of Deaths from Covid-19, ‘with no underlying causes’, covering 2020 and 2021.

      From these figures, I get a total of 17,371.

      What do you get?

      https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

    93. Ruby says:

      Where’s Fionan the the self-appointed moderator?
      Should he/she not be telling all these guys posting about Covid that they should be posting about independence?

      I’m getting a very acute feeling of deja-vu!

      Correct me if I’m wrong but has all this Covid stuff not already been done to death.

    94. Ruby says:

      “Hatuey says:
      12 January, 2022 at 11:33 am
      Fionan, I could not agree more with your assessment but if you include myself as one of the three then I think you are mistaken. I very rarely respond to her in any way, despite her continual attempts to bait me. Scroll back and see.

      As for driving people away, yes, it’s tiring and has created a very unpleasant atmosphere.

      Now that you’ve called her out, you can expect her to come back and suck up to certain gullible people, pretend all she ever cared about was independence, and act reasonably normal for about a day… that’s the usual pattern.

      She’ll be right back to obsessing about me and generally needling soon enough, though. It’s a strange definition of a life.”

      This is Hautey sucking up to Fionan. You will note he claims he doesn’t respond to me (which is lie) then he follows with a torrent of abuse.

      Hautey & Fionan – a match made in heaven!

      I’m curious to know who these gullible people are that I suck up to?

    95. Hatuey says:

      Ian, I didn’t click your link as I could work out what you were arguing from the URL.

      I’ve already provided two links to what are widely accepted as official figures. The generally accepted view, as you know, is 150k. If you look at the definition that includes those where covid is mentioned on the death certificate, we go up to around 180k

      Most people I have spoken to think there’s been under-reporting so that a lot of people probably died with covid without it being diagnosed.

      I know your arguments because I took the time to know them. It isn’t just older people or people with underlying problems that have died. There’s barely a day goes by without some tragic story of a young person dying with and because of covid being drawn to our attention.

      Using your definition of attributable death, we need to go back and revise every dark chapter in history to take account of underlying conditions. Two people die in a car crash but one was terminally ill so he doesn’t count? Apply that to World War One, etc.

      It isn’t the way we do it. It isn’t the way we ever done it.

    96. wull says:

      I forgot to say, the word ‘independence’ has now taken on a new meaning. Words aren’t what they used to be – meanings neither!

      It is no longer a matter of Scotland becoming independent from the UK, as a fully-fledged independent nation once again. No, what independence now means is the Scottish government becoming independent from the Scottish people.

      The Scottish people are no longer to control the Scottish Government; their only function is to be controlled by it.

      Edward I would be proud of NS – she is accomplishing exactly what he set out to do, but failed to get.

      ‘Quite a lady, eh, Ned? – But why are you turning so green? Such envy really isn’t worthy of a noble lord like you! You should be lost in admiration for her (the same as she wants all of us – the whole world – to be!).

      Give her (and us) a wee smile, Ned. You have to admit, she’s a woman after your own heart… So much better than that feckless wimp of a son of yours who took over your throne when you died in 1307, that so-called Eddie II. The son who was nothing like you! So adopt NS instead, and rejoice in your daughter!’

      Meanwhile, if she is becoming independent from the people, so are others, along with her (but very much under her, and the wimps she has gathered around herself in her so-called government). Not just MPs and MSPs… Much more important than them, these include the prosecution service, Police Scotland and now the judiciary and the entire legal profession.

      With a straight-down-the-line command system…. What could be better, Nick? The stuff of dreams… (including Ned’s original dream).

      Nick and Ned,
      Wham Scotland bled!

      She must be licking her lips: what could possibly go wrong?

      Meanwhile, we – we, the people – what should we be doing? How are we going to wrest back control? We have a huge task ahead of us, bigger than ever.

    97. wull says:

      Nick and Ned –
      Wha’ Scotland bled!

    98. Hatuey says:

      It’s been one of those horrible days of watching too much news. What a waste of life…

      I’ve noticed when they talk about Andrew that none of them extend a moments thought or an ounce of sympathy to the alleged victim. The focus is squarely on concern for the Queen and how Andrew might wriggle out of all this.

      Britain is run by a rather rancid bunch of people.

      Could the case for independence be any easier to make than it is right now?

    99. Ruby says:

      Aamer Anwar posts about ‘consultation on Legal Services Regulation Reform’ on twitter.

      Someone replies to him by saying ‘but you voted from the SNP over and over’.

      Mike Dailly & Roddy Dunlop also contribute to the debate agreeing with Aamer Anwar.

      Are all these lawyers members of the SNP and will they continue to be?

    100. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Hatuey (10.31)-

      You really are a shameless chancer, eh?

      Ach well, fair play – I’m sure you have your reasons.

      🙂 🙂 🙂

    101. Hatuey says:

      Actually, Ian, I’m a pragmatist. Even if I believed what you were saying to be true on covid, I wouldn’t say it. It doesn’t help anyone to hear that stuff, and it certainly doesn’t help the indy cause.

      My professed views, on the other hand, arguably do help the indy cause — by framing the carnage as being a consequence of the diabolical UK response, I’m making a case for indy.

      Anyway, I’m quite bored with this place and the continual attacks and I think it’s time for me to shuffle off and find something better to do. The constant hounding from certain quarters doesn’t hurt, it just bores.

      Wings BTL is now dead as far as I’m concerned. Covid was mentioned on the death certificate but there were other underlying issues. If I ever visit again, it’ll be to see how far this place and tedious bullies (like Ruby) who now dominate have fallen.

      Well done. Victory is yours. Enjoy.

      P.S. I remain optimistic about 2022.

    102. Robert Hughes says:

      Excellent posts Wull .

      “It is no longer a matter of Scotland becoming independent from the UK, as a fully-fledged independent nation once again. No, what independence now means is the Scottish government becoming independent from the Scottish people.”

      ” The Scottish people are no longer to control the Scottish Government; their only function is to be controlled by it ”

      Perfectly put . Exactly right .

      Such hubris has only one , inevitable fate . Nemesis .

      Unclear right now how and when , but it will happen :

      The only question for us is the degree of carnage they will wreak before their demise .

    103. John Main says:

      @Hatuey – 13 January, 2022 at 1:16 am

      “I think it’s time for me to shuffle off and find something better to do.”

      About time, Hatuey, about time.

      Spend your downtime wisely, Hatuey, learn how to read graphs and tables. Learn to make your case for the people of Scotland without lies. Cos here’s the thing Hatuey, the people of Scotland are not the eejits you think we are. We have been lied to forever, so we can smell lies like yours from a mile off.

      Oh, and one other thing Hatuey, if you are going to accuse people of being more than dumb, learn to spell it. It’s “dumber”, not “dumberer”.

    104. Ruby says:

      @Hatuey
      Wings BTL is now dead as far as I’m concerned. If I ever visit again, it’ll be to see how far this place and tedious bullies (like Ruby) who now dominate have fallen.

      I don’t believe you!

      When you visit again which I predict will be pretty soon here’s a hot tip for you.

      If you don’t want to be continually attacked perhaps you should refrain from attacking people and calling them names. Dah!

      Not all women can be bullied some fight back.
      I reckon that’s been a very hard lesson for you to learn.

      Hasta la vista coño!

    105. Republicofscotland says:

      Wull @10.05pm.

      Good comment Wull, on Police Scotland looking back at Police Scotland’s regulatory body the PIRC and the complaints they’ve investigated I’d say they are pretty toothless.

      On the legal profession, maybe they thought Sturgeon was more friend than foe, she did gift them a public building in Edinburgh, to use as a HQ, though I can’t quite recall the name of the old building.

    106. Republicofscotland says:

      I’m no fan of Douglas Ross and his Tor minions at Holyrood, but he and his London loyal minions at Holyrood are calling for the resignation of Johnson, would you ever see the spineless and gutless SNP MSPs at Holyrood calling for Sturgeon to resign for betraying Scotland?

    107. robertknight says:

      Had to laugh at BawJaws yesterday, he was almost as convincing during yesterday’s PMQs as She/Her was at the Salmond enquiry.

      You will note that I said almost…

    108. Ebok says:

      wull @ 10:05 pm and 10.42 pm

      I am in awe of numerous contributors, including you Wull, who regularly comment here and expose the political reality of life in New Scotland.

      Average citizens such a I would be completely unaware of changes being introduced at HR if not for WoS and the highly committed band of true Scots on these pages.

      What concerns me most about your conclusions of these revelations is the feeble acquiescence, not so much by the ‘opposition’ but of pro Indy groups. If regulars on Wings are aware of these conspiracies, then so to are all insiders: MSM, pundits, opposition MSPs/councillors/, civil servants, WM, and…. Alba and the wider Yes movement?

      Yet last w/e, the Alba focus was on … ‘Alba is starting the campaign to elect Alba Councillors across Scotland. We have taken delivery of our Recruitment Leaflet and this along with a Women’s Leaflet will be distributed on Sunday 9th January’

      Now, I understand the importance of these issues and of getting Alba more widely recognised in local politics, but surely that pales into complete insignificance when compared with the extremely critical dangers there is for the very fabric of democracy.

      In the aftermath of 2026 New Scotland, when we are a one party state, I don’t want to hear whispers (you won’t be able say or print it) that Alba were concerned about hundreds of controls and restrictions on free speech that were in the pipeline, but ‘we were too busy with 2022 local elections, and didn’t want to rock the boat’.

      To those who say that Indy is on the back burner for 10 years, I say FFS, we will be lucky if we have another 10 months to save Indy. Unless we start now, screaming loud and long about this administration, and revealing the EVIDENCE to an oblivious public, it may soon be illegal to even mention the Indy word.

    109. Sarah says:

      The only thing that I can think of to draw attention to the numerous undemocratic, and worse, actions of the Scot Gov is for an umbrella group e.g. Now Scotland [i.e. non-party] to organise petitions to Holyrood [using the Holyrood petition mechanism] on each subject.

      If there were substantial numbers of signatories it might get some reaction from media and MSPs. Currently MSPs and Councillors [in Highland ward 5 at least] ignore emails from constituents or send impersonal responses.

    110. Republicofscotland says:

      A staged question on FMQs by a SNP MSP on Scottish independence answered by Sturgeon, saw the clapping seals behind her, SNP MSPs cheer.

      No doubt this carrot dangled whilst the cameras are focused on the FM will have the Sturgeonistas salivating like Pavlov’s Dog, thinking the 2023 indyref is a dead cert.

      There’s not a hope in hell that anyone of those SNP MSPs will grow a backbone anytime soon and call out Sturgeon.

    111. Breeks says:


      wull says:
      12 January, 2022 at 10:05 pm

      Another step in Sturgeon’s plan to turn Scotland into an authoritarian state…

      It might be Wull, but Sturgeon hasn’t the strategic acumen to be the brains behind it.

      Rather than setting up an authoritarian state, I think the agenda is to surreptitiously dismantle more and more of the vestigial remains of the old Scottish State pre-Union.

      The Independence of Scots Law is being eroded until it becomes virtually indistinguishable from UK Law.

      More and more, I see Holyrood as less and less Scotland’s Parliament, but a Trojan Horse which we were all meant to take into our hearts, but which was actually a colonial beachhead for the encroachment of Westminster’s Authority. Witness Article 30 of the Scotland being used to silence an d subjugate Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty.

      Because Scotland fell for it, and set aside it’s own Sovereign Constitutional principles in order to embrace a “half-way house Parliament”, on the grounds something is better than nothing, Westminster has recognised Scotland’s Constitutional naivety, (because here in Scotland we ARE asleep at the wheel in Constitutional terms), and ever since Holyrood opened its doors, Westminster has been playing the long game to perniciously deconstruct the vestigial remnants of the auld Scottish state.

      Our Sovereignty is under attack from an unwritten Convention and a bogus “parliament”.
      Our Legal System is under attack from a UK Supreme Court and now Holyrood trying to wrestle control over Scots Law.
      Our Democracy is under attack from Section 30 of the Colonial Scotland Act which empowers Westminster to dictate when and Scotland’s people can express their opinion.

      Westminster is embedding itself deeper in Scotland’s Institutions so that it can work against Independence from within, and it would take very, very little to convince that that Sturgeon is either in on it, or so dumb and compliant that she doesn’t know she’s having her strings pulled.

      With her history being kicked out the Legal Profession, perhaps its a petty vindictiveness she is even enjoying.

      Sturgeon has got to go. She is a complete liability, and the jury (while Scots still have juries), is out on whether Holyrood needs to go too, and be replaced by a Constitutional Grand Assembly.

    112. robertknight says:

      @Breeks

      I too have felt for some time that Sturgeon is merely the British State’s ‘Useful Idiot’ in Scotland.

      If the salacious stories are to be believed, there’s Kompromat a’plenty where She/Her is concerned.

      Why wouldn’t the British State use such as leverage to behave in Scotland as it once did in those now independent, sovereign States, who were at one time or other trying to shake of the chains of the British Empire.

      Absolutely no reason not to.

      Take a step back. Look where we are today. How we got here. Who’s calling the shots.

      Difficult to ignore the bigger picture once all the pieces in the jigsaw have fallen into place…

      Quite depressing really – which is exactly the effect hoped for by those responsible.

    113. Jack Murphy says:

      “Jacob Rees-Mogg calls Scottish Tory leader a ‘lightweight'”

      We have known that for ages.

      BBC Scotland on-line:
      https://tinyurl.com/yawur6am

    114. Sarah says:

      @ Republic, Breeks, wull, robertknight: any ideas as to how we solve this problem that is NS and “clapping seals”?

      I have none, I’m afraid, apart from the one above, and independence parties standing in English by-elections in order to air Scotland’s issue – no-one I have suggested this latter to has liked it, sadly.

    115. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      13 January, 2022 at 9:45 am
      I’m no fan of Douglas Ross and his Tor minions at Holyrood, but he and his London loyal minions at Holyrood are calling for the resignation of Johnson,

      Douglas Ross, Ruth Davidson & David Mundell are all talk and no action.

      The ran ‘operation arse’ but trotted down to London like good little boys & girls and did what they were told by Boris Johnson.

      Ruth even acceptable a place in the House of Lords from Johnson.

      This is nothing but ‘self preservation’ on the part of Ross.
      In the event of Johnson not resigning he’ll be down at Westminster being a good little boy again doing what he’s told.

    116. wull says:

      I like your idea, Sarah. So you do have some support, even if I can’t do much about it.

      Several years ago, in fact, when the SNP were still clearly genuinely Scottish and genuinely seeking independence, I suggested on the btl comments on this website that the SNP should do precisely what you suggest. Now, alas, it will no doubt have to be left to others, beginning with Alba, but maybe including some ‘Independents for Independence’, especially if some high-profile people would agree to put their hat in the ring.

      My original suggestion was in view of elections to Holyrood and Westminster, but there is no reason why it could not be expanded to local elections. I also suggested to target some high profile places in England where the idea would certainly gain some attention – for instance Corby Town, and south-of-the-Tweed Berwick.

      Maybe, however, you were thinking of other places – Can’t say where, but I wonder if Bath, for instance, springs to mind?

    117. Republicofscotland says:

      Sarah@ 12.55pm.

      I have no idea how we remove Sturgeon and get indy back on track, and in any case I’m pretty sure that Sturgeon would just be replaced with the likes of Angus Robertson, in which case things would remain the same, as I doubt SNP MSPs/MPs would rock the boat, and risk their snout being cut-off from the gravy train which could happen via a indyref or plebiscitary election.

      I guess all we can do for now, until something arises is to vote for the Alba party beginning in May’s council elections.

      Its worth noting that even the vile Tories in London have a 1922 Committee that can remove the party’s leader, I don’t even know if there is a way for the SNP party to remove Sturgeon, its irrelevant though, for as long as the party is winning the majority of seats in Scotland under Sturgeon’s tenure she’ll remain in power.

    118. Republicofscotland says:

      AUOB holding an emergency demo in Glasgow on the 22nd of January, the main point is to call for Johnson’s resignation but indy will also be on the agenda, I guess its a good way to get more folk on the streets, organisers are expecting at least 5,000 folk to attend.

      “Neil Mackay, from AUOB, said public feeling was so strong about Johnson’s Downing Street party that the group did not have time to give authorities the required 28 days’ notice.”

      Oops, I foresee Glasgow City Council (SNP) knocking the march on the head, or a possible Manni Singh scenario in the offing.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19845180.auob-hold-emergency-march-demo-boris-johnson%2F

    119. Ruby says:

      Sarah says:
      13 January, 2022 at 12:01 pm
      The only thing that I can think of to draw attention to the numerous undemocratic, and worse, actions of the Scot Gov is for an umbrella group e.g. Now Scotland [i.e. non-party] to organise petitions to Holyrood [using the Holyrood petition mechanism] on each subject.

      I think these large protests are

      1. Just ignored
      2. Don’t happen often enough.
      3. Take too much organising.

      My suggestion is small protests on a regular basis.
      At least one a week.

      Not just outside the offices of the ‘Cozy Slippers’ but also outside the offices of Douglas Ross, Anas Sarwar, Iain Murray and all the Unionists who support Boris Johnsons position vis a vis ‘NO IndyRef2’

      I was wondering what these lawyers Mike Dailly, Roddy Dunlop & Aamer Anwar who are so in incensed by the SG’s actions might do.

    120. wull says:

      Can’t disagree with any of what you say there, Breeks @ 12.33. Except maybe to say that what they are dismantling is not simply the vestiges of what remains of pre-1707 Scotland, but even the principles and guarantees built into the 1707 Act(s) of Union. Arguably, these did effectively recognise the national status of Scotland, by the way it defined the Union. This too is going by the board at the moment: they are smashing up the Union as it originally was (legally speaking) and turning what happened then (in 1707) into what England had always wanted to happen (since Edward I’s time and even before). Namely, the extinction of the Scottish nation, in the cause of Engerland uber Alles…

      Plus ca change, plus ca resye la meme chose … !

      And, with benefit of hindsight, we have to admit that Sturgeon always looked like the quintessentially parochial and insular Brit-nat British politician that she has indeed turned out to be.

    121. James Che. says:

      It is to be noted the new pretend trend of Douglas Ross calling for resignation of BJ is just tactics of self preservation, for if the Tory’s go down so does he,

      The secret union unit set up by Gove and, (another) one by, The exterminate the Scots spectator writer BJ was never mentioned or hinted at, to the Scottish people by either of those three musketeers.
      Behind the scenes Secret going ons to quell the Scots. Is as fresh today as it was in the parliament of England in the 16 and 1700s,

      The Great Britain Parliament is supposed to be an equally agreed treaty of the union between Scotland and England,
      But exposed here in these actions we can see the evidence that England thinks that it owns the treaty of the union and were sole inheritors of that 1707 treaty.

      By doing this within-the Great Britain Parliament It set into motion and set itself up as the old original antagonist, instigator of a secrete war with Scotland,

      For Scotland has been open and honest in chosen elections or referendums .
      Voting for parties that say they represent that choice to perhaps change the treaty of the union to further equalise the treaty.

      This is not a good legal look for the British Parliament to be acting as the old antagonist to the treaty.

    122. Ron Maclean says:

      @Sarah

      Independence* campaigns and campaigners are likely to encounter opposition from some or all of the following;

      Scottish justice system
      Scottish media
      Other media
      Scottish government
      Scottish political parties
      Westminster
      Security services
      Armed forces
      Scottish education system
      The ‘manufactured native elite’
      Religious groups
      Royal family
      ——— and colonists
      Factions from within the Scottish public, the rest of the UK and beyond.
      Nicola Sturgeon and her acolytes
      And so on

      Their hostility might not always be obvious. It wasn’t dealt with properly during the last independence campaign or since. It will intensify when, or if, the next campaign gets under way.

      I wish I could help but for the moment at least we seem to have lost our way. When that happens it’s hard to get going again.

      We need to do much more than sit on branchy trees** aspiring to become the saftest wee country in the world. Too many, including our leaders, are doing just that. We could start by being more critical and encourage action from those in a position to exploit situations as they arise. That means more than asking questions in the House of Commons and taking no for an answer.

      If we do nothing, nothing will change.

      * Independence; Self-determination, sovereignty, as in ’The site advocates Scottish independence …’
      ** The Road-Song of the Bandar-Log

    123. Breeks says:

      Sarah says:
      13 January, 2022 at 12:55 pm
      @ Republic, Breeks, wull, robertknight: any ideas as to how we solve this problem that is NS and “clapping seals”?

      I have none, I’m afraid, apart from the one above, and independence parties standing in English by-elections in order to air Scotland’s issue – no-one I have suggested this latter to has liked it, sadly.

      For a while now, I’ve favoured the setting up of a Constitutional Grand Committee which declared itself the voice of the sovereign Scottish people, (full-on no-compromise red sovereignty if you’re familiar with my post on Barrheadboy’s blog), and tested Scotland’s unlawful and unconstitutional Brexit in the International Courts until Scottish Sovereignty was respected and the Treaty of Union declared breached.

      If that’s too big a step for the Pearl clutchers, then as a precursor to crashing the Treaty of Union, the Constitutional Committee could cut it’s teeth by forcing Sturgeon / Holyrood to respect Scottish Sovereignty, on penalty of formal impeachment if it refused.

      The Committee could demand Sturgeon ignores Section 30 of the Scotland Act and respects the ascendancy of Scotland’s popular sovereignty and has a referendum in spite of Westminster’s objections. The people are sovereign, not Westminster. That’s not so very different from what Martin Keating’s tried to do, but with no criticism intended, I think that action lacked ambition. Sovereignty must be seized by both horns without compromise and no small degree of defiance. It needs a determined Constitutional Committee or a Senate with the brass neck to defy Westminster and take Scotland’s Brexit subjugation to the UN as evidence the Treaty of Union has been breached.

      Truth be known, I had hoped this was perhaps what Joanna Cherry might have been planning, but like Martin Keating’s attempt, the brave stance or solo effort of an individual needs the solidarity of a committed mass movement backing it to the hilt. I don’t know if we still have that, because Sturgeon’s flops could try their hardest to derail the initiative, in the same way the SNP pulled the rug out from Martin Keating’s.

    124. North chiel says:

      “Surprise surprise” , Duncan Smith put up by Tory hierarchy with “ MI5 Chinese agent” smokescreen story . Obviously the bogeymen Russian “ scare story” is now played out & Conveniently now it’s the Chinese “ turn” . I suppose now that “ Chinese takeaways “ are off the menu at Downing st garden parties .

    125. Republicofscotland says:

      “It is to be noted the new pretend trend of Douglas Ross calling for resignation of BJ is just tactics of self preservation, for if the Tory’s go down so does he,”

      James Che.

      My opinion is that Douglas Ross is putting his political career on the line, for if Johnson survives this, and he shouldn’t if you ask me, then he’ll have Ross replaced as branch manager of the London Tories in Scotland, if Johnson is replaced by someone else say Riki Sunak, who appears to be lurking in the wings, (no pun intended) then again Sunak might think that Ross isn’t a loyal servant for calling for the resignation of Johnson, which he might well do to Sunak when the time comes, and have him replaced.

      Either way Ross’s political career is on the line, I certainly don’t trust the Tory branch office in Scotland to do its best for Scots, if however Sunak or Johnson or whomever is PM there’s a good chance Ross is history, would the other Scots Tories back Ross, in what could become a stalemate, and it could lead to the Tories in Scotland breaking away from London, a long shot I think, but there has been talk on the matter.

    126. Robert graham says:

      Watching Sturgeon today reminded me of one of those dolls that you pull the string and it says a message , over and over again the same fkn cringing message , in her case her programmed message is global pandemic over and over again I don’t think she answered a question today without saying that bloody phrase she must have said it 20 or more times

      Global Pandemic

      Global Pandemic

      She fears the day this contrived fkn plague is forgotten that’s because she has to admit that she couldn’t give a monkeys about independence that’s why NO fkn plans are in place there is no point wasting time on something you ain’t going to do, that’s her a fkn Fraud .

    127. Republicofscotland says:

      This will be lauded by Sturgeon as doing something, I suppose its better than doing nothing, however reading the website that deals with funding, it looks a bit like you’ll need to go through the Third Degree to get it. The total sum is nowhere near enough to put a dent in the many more folk in Scotland who’ll fall into fuel poverty next April when there will be bumper rises in prices.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19845880.energy-price-rises-2022-government-launches-3m-support-fund-help-scots%2F

      https://homeheatingadvice.scot/how-to-apply-for-funding/

    128. Republicofscotland says:

      AS my 4.04pm comment says that you might need to go the Third Degree to access funds, via a third party, Craig Murray has had a difficult time in getting a free bus pass for his child.

      How many Scots will have the relevant paper work never mind the patients of a saint to get to the end of it.

      https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1481397385381220354

    129. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says: My opinion is that Douglas Ross is putting his political career on the line, for if Johnson survives this, and he shouldn’t if you ask me, then he’ll have Ross replaced as branch manager of the London Tories in Scotland,

      I was thinking more of his reputation in Scotland.
      There are probable a lot of potential Tory voters/members who think Boris is a clown.

      To be the leader of Tories in Scotland he would need their respect.

      I don’t think he has much choice but to condemn Johnson.

      Otherwise I think he would just be like the SNP Cozy Slippers.

    130. twathater says:

      @ Breeks 2.42pm A constitutional committee is definitely the way to go as is a citizens grand committee , BUT there is no one to organise it , independence has had the same problem since before 2014 , too many people pulling in too many directions , the organisational capabilities are multitudinous and available but there are too many individuals that want everything done THEIR WAY , that is why sturgeon is succeeding

      The nsnp has less than 90,000 members there are 5 million people in Scotland and if at least 2 million want independence they have to be shown that sturgeon’s nsnp is NOT the vehicle to deliver it , in hindsight Alex Salmond delivered sturgeon’s victory by encouraging people to lend their vote to the snp (which I couldn’t stomach doing) the idea had merit if dealing with a rational being , BUT having suffered her evil malice before he should have been more aware of her desire to destroy him completely and acted accordingly

      I truly believe that Salmond has to resort to sturgeon’s depth of hatred and vileness and expose widely and publicly what she has done and continues to do , surely the situation re the judicial reforms would or could encourage allies within the judiciary which would enable information previously redacted to become available , and surely the justiciary could be encouraged to review the perjured evidence submitted to the courts and take punitive action against certain individuals , and maybe they could encourage the copfs to encourage the police to make greater efforts to expose the leaker in the Salmond trial or even INVESTIGATE missing ring fenced funds . I’m sure Salmond and MacAskill know members of the justiciary who believe in honesty and integrity

    131. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      Craig Murray has had a difficult time in getting a free bus pass for his child.

      Does he say if there is a question about their sexual activity?

    132. James Che. says:

      Breeks.

      I have been thinking along similar lines with regard a (separate from devolved government ) SOVEREIGN PEOPLES ENTITY such as a people’s assembly,
      Or a citizens assembly.

      But there is a problem.

      I have more than one or two reservations about filling it with the same old advisors, lawyers, university grads and theorists, old or young past councillors, scientists, and reusable politicians,

      As this would not be a sovereign Scots assembly or a citizens creation in any thing but name,

      It’s proximity to the same old political governance would fail the very sovereign Scots we wish to free.
      scientists employed by the state having a set agenda, to hidden committees deciding what is to be withheld by way information such as the Crone report.
      Or inquiries around disappearing money,
      Or justice, such as the ALex Salmond case, Craig Murray case and all those others that are the victims of old politics.
      we are trying to eliminate these things and ways that are not working, from the top down,

      Surely the assembly should be full of the voices of the ordinary every day people. Run by the ordinary every day to day people and then if we want to call in a variety of unhindered advisors a broad picture and spectrum of a way forward would have healthy growth.

      This needs the ordinary Scots at grassroots to be the leaders. For a consensus with the people of Scotland And to become involved in fairness and justice.
      For long enough they have not had a say. And for long enough at the detriment of their prospective finances and land.

      WHY CHOOSE A DIFFERENT SET SET OF ELITES TO RUN US When you would be as well keeping the old system

      And from that old system has arose cancel culture, trans issues, no women’s rights, extremism in climate change remedies, no NHS, poor wages, loss of employment and jobs
      And watching our structures and societies being destroyed by a chosen few like the SNP or the Tories and labour.

      Let’s turn this on its head and start with people first. In a sovereign people’s Assembly.

    133. Ruby says:

      The £3 million Scottish Government scheme, which is to be run by Advice Direct Scotland, will offer payments starting at £100, rising to £500 to clear outstanding debt, and will be paid direct to suppliers.

      Is this to help the energy suppliers or people who can’t afford heating?

    134. Republicofscotland says:

      Ruby @6pm.

      Ruby click the link @5.35pm to find out.

    135. Republicofscotland says:

      Ruby@ 6.10pm.

      Again Ruby click the 4.04pm links to find out.

    136. Republicofscotland says:

      The head of the royal parasites Queen Lizzie strip her son Prince Andrew of all his titles except that of Prince Andrew.

    137. wullie says:

      https://www.rt.com/business/545893-sweden-compensation-electricity-bills/

      Sweden to launch ‘exceptional’ measures amid 300% rise in electricity price

      The SNP are to busy giving money away to their special wee pals

    138. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      13 January, 2022 at 6:28 pm
      Ruby @6pm.

      Ruby click the link @5.35pm to find out..

      I apologise for being rubbish at jokes.

      You obviously thought I was asking a serious question at 6pm.

    139. Republicofscotland says:

      Ruby @6.43pm.

      Ruby.

      With what’s going on with the SNP, the awful questionnaire with lewd question for school children within it, I suppose taking it seriously is not outwith the realms of reality, not to mention Mhairi Black inviting drag queens into primary schools which surely must have confused the children, then to find out the drag queen had explicit photos on his social media account.

      I’d put nothing past this SNP government under Sturgeon.

    140. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      13 January, 2022 at 6:31 pm
      Ruby@ 6.10pm.

      Again Ruby click the 4.04pm links to find out.

      Sorry there are just too many links I can’t possible read them all.

      I did however read the link about Energy prices and found myself asking the question that I posted earlier.

    141. Sarah says:

      @ wull, ruby, the ron, republic, Breeks: thanks for responding to my thoughts.

      wull – I thought that any English by-election would do to stand a Scottish independence candidate in. Not SNP any more but Alba or another – mainly to get some media attention on our issue. Could also include anti-corruption and pro-English independence in the manifesto! The Southend West [David Amess] by-election won’t have Labour or LibDem standing so a Scottish independence candidate would stand a better chance of getting attention.

      Breeks: surely a Constitutional Committee would have to include MSPs? Yet the SNP MSPs wouldn’t join so how could the Committee force an impeachment? As for Joanna Cherry, at the SNP forum last year she said that we aren’t ready to assert independence – I assumed she meant in practical organisational terms. So I don’t think we can look to her for any immediate steps to change Scotland’s status.

      Ruby: yes, small demos happening all the time would be helpful. Bute House would be a good spot!

      Republic: there are party rules about suspending members who break rules of conduct so I would have thought if the FM got suspended then she would have to resign as FM. I don’t know of any specific procedure for impeachment.

    142. Breeks says:

      It’s not the perfect solution, but reading up about Scotland’s actual Community of the Realm and the Three Estates, the Kirk, Nobles and Burgh Commissioners, Got me thinking. I wonder whether a new version of the Three Estates might feature particular interest groups.

      The obvious one is the Court of Session or Faculty of Advocates speaking up for Scots Law. Obviously people who want Independence, but not necessarily.

      I’m less keen on the Kirk having a roll in a secular Scotland, but hey, that’s just my own prejudice.

      The loss or erosion of Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty is a diminishing of Scotland’s integrity in or out of the Union, and it could be some of the more enlightened Unionists might still want Scotland’s integrity respected.

      It’s a kind of thinking out loud suggestion, just to kick around some ideas.

      But if Scotland’s Constitutional Committee spoke for our MP’s & MSP’s, Scots Law, Scottish Health, Scottish Education, Scotland’s Energy, Oil, Renewables… A bit like the old concept of city fathers or livery Companies, like say the Nine Trades of Dundee etc, – only speaking up for Scotland, not a city.

      Standing up for Scotland’s “red” sovereignty, it would be kinda hard to ignore.

      It would take some doing, but seven years squandered under Sturgeon is too much.

    143. Ruby says:

      Republicofscotland says:

      I’d put nothing past this SNP government under Sturgeon.

      Agreed! You know what they say about many a true word being spoken in jest.

      Being that this bus pass is a green/snp initiative I wouldn’t be surprised to see ‘pronouns’ included in the bus pass.

    144. Breeks says:

      They say history repeats… but in 1320, Scotland made a representation to the Pope that they formed amongst themselves because necessity required it.

      We’d just be doing the same thing more or else.

      The strength of it isn’t in the Committee, but legitimacy in law. Scotland has been subjugated over Brexit, and there should be consequences for that.

    145. Breeks says:


      Sarah says:
      13 January, 2022 at 7:08 pm

      Breeks: surely a Constitutional Committee would have to include MSPs? Yet the SNP MSPs wouldn’t join so how could the Committee force an impeachment?

      Give them the opportunity to take an oath of allegiance to the Constitutional Sovereignty of Scotland. If they refuse, then we find people who will stand up for Scotland’s Constitutional Rights.

    146. Robert Hughes says:

      ” The strength of it isn’t in the Committee, but legitimacy in law. Scotland has been subjugated over Brexit, and there should be consequences for that. ”

      Another strength of it , possibly more potent , is the tangible , visible embodiment of a REAL Independence – and Independence only – vehicle ,an actually functioning engine driving the issue home relentlessly : one the MSM would be unable to ignore , though no doubt it will attempt to do so .

      Whether – so called – ” legitimacy ” resides solely with Holyrood/Scotgov is neither here nor there , such a Committee would definitely draw support to it , from all quarters of the Movement, thereby creating it’s own , indisputable legitimacy

    147. Breeks says:


      Robert Hughes says:
      13 January, 2022 at 8:17 pm

      Another strength of it , possibly more potent , is the tangible , visible embodiment of a REAL Independence – and Independence only – vehicle …

      I really like the idea of a Scottish Constitutional Grand Committee just laughing the Scotland Act’s Section 30 bullshit, which has Sturgeon totally flummoxed.

      It would be so cool to see them cutting to the chase with Constitutional ramifications for the Treaty of Union. “Step aside Sturgeon. You’ve wasted too much time already and you don’t know what you’re doing. We’ll take it from here.”

      Ya dancer!

      So much the better if it was Alex Salmond who delivered the news…

    148. Breeks says:

      The problem would be Sturgeon, like it or not, has a democratic mandate, even if she told porkies to get it and has no intention of delivering it, she still has a claim to represent Scotland.

      That’s where I think the red/white sovereignty thing would come into play, if you can demonstrate Sturgeon has not respected the sovereign will of the people.

      She hasn’t. She overruled Scotland’s Remain majority, so that should be grounds for Constitutional impeachment. That’s what I was meaning about the correctness and legitimacy in law being important.

      I’m not a lawyer, but I think the expression is legal personality. The Scottish Constitutional Grand Committee would need to have some degree of legal personality to be recognised as a”thing”, and have authority to speak on behalf of Scotland.

      But that I think is doable, because Scotland is the victim of an injustice in law, and victim of injustice has a right to seek / demand justice and the upholding of the law.

      I mean seriously, somebody like Joanna Cherry should be firing off shit like this in a massive legal howitzer.

    149. Sarah says:

      @ Breeks: that was what I was getting at when I said it would need parliamentarians to be included on the Constitutional Grand Committee and to impeach the current FM. The SNP got over a million votes – that is their source of constitutional legitimacy and that would be recognised by the people and internationally.

      The SCRG’s idea talks of all elected persons [MP, MSP, Councillors] plus reps of other civic groups as the source of constitutional legitimacy. I can’t see that a body without elected people would be acceptable unless it could demonstrate that about 1.5 to 2 million people supported them.

    150. twathater says:

      @ Breeks 8.53pm I respect your admiration of Joanna Cherry but unfortunately I don’t share that admiration , I was sorely disappointed that she invoked Scots law to defeat bozo’s prorogation of parliament then sat back down and has done nothing since , whereas she previously mentioned abuse of the TOU so you would presume if she indeed like us wanted and was desperate for independence she would be chomping at the bit to get it done by ANY means possible

    151. Alf Baird says:

      twathater @ 9:46 pm

      “get it done by ANY means possible”

      Have to say I too am still a wee bittie confused about Ms Cherry’s earlier legal effort on confirming the sovereignty of Westminster MPs over any UK Government of the day. I had thought that Scottish National Party representatives might be rather more interested in the matter of Scottish sovereignty, given their main purpose is to assert the latter.

      I did raise this with her, and received a fairly meaningless reply from her ‘Chief of Staff’, directing me to the paper by professors McCorkindale & McHarg, the latter actually confirming that as a matter of law a referendum is not a requirement for independence and despite this Ms Cherry and the SNP still place their faith only in holding another referendum!

    152. Sarah says:

      Re M/s Cherry: the anti-prorogation case had cross-party support to bring it, and was winnable.

      A case for Scotland’s right to withdraw from the Treaty of Union is unlikely to get support from the SNP, let alone the other parties!! Would it be possible for M/s Cherry to bring a case in those circumstances?

      I agree that it would be encouraging to have her join some of the research groups and other public discussions but SNP party rules don’t allow public disagreement by members with party policy. So it is an awkward situation to be in. She does say things in a very careful way about needing to look at other routes – has said so in her National column, for example.

    153. Robert Hughes says:

      With the Royal Slinging Under The Bus Ceremony completed and Ex Prince Charmless banished to a life of even more indolence in order to limit damage to the institution of the Monarchy ( Oh how we’ll miss him ) maybe more people will withdraw support for the whole decrepit , corrupt pantomime/soap opera .

      Could be good time to bring questions of Sovereignty, Constitutions etc to the forefront of public discourse in Scotland.

      The monarchy will survive this , alas , but could be grievously wounded , if so , the idea of a Scottish Independent Republic may begin to appear more attractive to many more people

    154. Alf Baird says:

      Sarah @ 11:00 pm

      “A case for Scotland’s right to withdraw from the Treaty of Union is unlikely to get support from the SNP”

      Jings, and there’s Scotland’s independence movement still thinking the SNP want independence!

      Its definitely time for other more serious National Parties.

    155. Breeks says:

      Yes, I cannot answer for Joanna Cherry. She seemed to be made of the right stuff and smart enough to steer something unpopular past Westminster’s alert defences. It really doesn’t help that these Trans nut jobs have forced Ms Cherry into being more cautious about who she meets.

      But if not her, perhaps there is another lawyer smart enough to get the job done, but dumb enough to risk a truncated legal career if it fails. Another Willie McRae type would be a godsend. We might also think about doing it the hard way, and start with a devout Independentist, and train them to become a Constitutional Lawyer. It sounds daft, but not if we’d started 7 years ago.

      I think the mistake we made with Joanna Cherry was perhaps allowing her to feel isolated and out on a limb, but I cannot say that with any certainty.

      Perhaps too, we can find out who the Chagos Islanders got as their legal representation. Our legal team needn’t necessarily be Scottish.

    156. Willie says:

      You have to laugh.

      Auld Queenie, sovereign by the grace of God no less, in a royal line of absolute hereditary right has just after 61 years found out that her son Andrew is a bit of a sleaze bag, and then some. So what does she do?

      Well she reserves back, or should we say, strips him of his Royal Highness status, makes him a private citizen, a reserves back all his multifarious position as Colonel in Chief of no end of British regiments.

      So why then if the people of Scotland are sovereign, can we not with our majority of elected representatives not just off hire Westminster.

      Otherwise, did we see the pictures of the auld bint sitting alone praying in the chapel at her husbands restricted attendance funeral whilst the night before the parties with booze, music and dancing raged into the wee small hours at Downing Street. Absolutely sublime, she’s a platinum geezer.

    157. Breeks says:


      Willie says:
      14 January, 2022 at 4:24 am

      You have to laugh.

      Auld Queenie…. found out that her son Andrew is a bit of a sleaze bag, and then some. So what does she do?

      Yeah, your dear old Mum seems convinced you’re a pedophile, but hey, best of British luck with your court case old bean….

    158. robertknight says:

      Sarah @ 11:00 pm

      A case for Scotland’s right to withdraw from the Treaty of Union is unlikely to get support from the SNP”

      There, fixed that for you – you’re welcome.

    159. Chas says:

      Just popped in the site for a wee keek. I see we are back on to Sovereignty, Treaty of Union and the desperate Scottish Constitutional Grand Committee. No indications of course of who appoints people to the Committee and airy fairy proposals of who should sit on it. Exactly what Scotland needs-another layer of Politicians, that is what they will be, talking of what they will or can do but no real actions forthcoming.
      The ONLY way Scotland will ever achieve Independence will be through the ballot box with real ordinary people voting for it.
      The SNP talk a good game but have no real appetite for it as the individuals within are too busy feathering their own nest. They have convinced the Scots who are unable to think for themselves that they are the ones to achieve Independence but the educated amongst us know this will not be happening any time soon.
      A wave of optimism swept through this site when Alba was founded but since then the tide is going out. Alba brought hope but now seems to be floundering. Alba and the SNP cannot exist together as long as Sturgeon holds the reins. It has to convince existing SNP supporters to switch and also to attract ‘soft’ no voters. I see no evidence of this. The first step has to be eradicating Sturgeon. Salmond has hinted that he has the means to do so but has been silent for months. Politics is a dirty business. He should know better than anybody. He simply has to go on the attack very soon or Alba is finished before it really got started. With the mess that is Westminster people are genuinely sick of Politicians and the way they act. Change is required and the timing could not be better than now. Be bold, be brave Alex. Change will not come without a bitter fight.

    160. Sarah says:

      @ Alf Baird and robertknight: I hope you aren’t thinking that I a] approve the SNP’s inaction on attempting to regain our independence; or b] agree that the case can’t be made?

      I am 1000% behind any and all steps being taken immediately, if not 7 years ago!

    161. Sarah says:

      @ Chas: one bit of good news to cheer us up today – Craig Murray tweets that his case to the ECHR is continuing – he and his legal team have been working on it for the last three days.

      Now all we need is news that the case will be expedited by the ECHR.

    162. James Che. says:

      Some suggestions if I may regards a Constitutional Grand Committee.

      1). The very TITLE is required to hold the inclusion of legal use for it to survive legal challenge,
      May I suggest.
      The Scottish Sovereign People’s Grand Committee.

      2). The people in this Committee HAVE to be from all walks of Scottish life,
      not just higher ranking citizens ( although these can be included) for it to represent the sovereign people of Scotland. And thus the “ The Claim of Right “ where we can choose a new body to govern.

      3) the first purpose of setting up this body for the sovereign Scots is to question wether the parties that signed the treaty of the union in 1707 to present day have with upheld all those Acts in the treaty of the union with due diligence and respect,

      4) The Treaty of the Union would be “ paused “ from the Scottish Sovereign people until a thorough investigation had been carried out.

      For

    163. James Che. says:

      The following suspected breaches.

      Changes to….

      1) interference or changes made to Scots Law. To include pre- union Scots Law.

      2) Changes made to religion regards primogeniture and inclusion of inheritance of the crown and monarchy since 1707.

      3) changes made to the original words of Treaty Acts effecting Trade.

      4). Investigation is required as to Wether either the agreed successive parliament to The Scots Parliament, also known as the “Three Estates” 1707 and the Parliament of England 1707 both as signatories to the New Parliament in 1707 show evidence of continuing to act in a individual capacity or manner of the old separate parliaments after signing in 1707.

      5) investigation is also required as to wether the New GB 1707 Parliament or any members in or of it has set itself up in secret and private for the manifestations and antagonist or instigator to the other signatory after 1707….. in which The Crone Report, or the Union Unit May be caused to be Investigated.

    164. James Che. says:

      If anyone is serious with The Claim of Right or wether Scots people have sovereignty.
      And wether people have the Right to Self Determination, This would be the Legal route to follow.

      And has the ability to leave in place the devolved government acting on a temporary basis, to run Scotland meanwhile.
      Thus not being inflammatory to the present UK Parliament or considered Treasonous.

    165. Chas says:

      James Che

      You have obviously spent a lot of time researching stuff from 300 years ago.
      What a waste of time and effort. Do you honestly think that there are millions of Scots remotely interested? Or that events that did or did not take then can now be challenged and investigated? Who is going to investigate and who is going to pay for it.
      May I politely suggest that you purchase some jigsaws to occupy your time and get some sense of achievement in doing so.

    166. James Che. says:

      This would mean the exclusion of any political party members acting at the time for a political party.

    167. Sarah says:

      @ Chas: lawyers and governments depend on old law e.g. Henry 8th powers. Most law is hundreds of years old.

      @ James Che: this is a debating site and informs people so please carry on!

    168. James Che. says:

      Chas.

      Stop sounding like an employed unionist.
      Of corse this can be challenged to day, no matter what year or month the May treaty broken have taken place behind closed doors,

      For we are expected to follow that 1707 agreement today.
      It is still extant today unless it has been breached or broken right up to 2022.

    169. James Che. says:

      Sarah.

      Cheers, and thanks for the support.

      I have as Chas implies, spent many hours, days and months in the past researching these quirks in legislation and statues.

      Not so much time on my hands now that so many family members are ill,
      but at least what Is already researched can be posted here.

      It is interesting I find that those with unionist entrenched minds are quick to say, “ You Can’t do that”
      Thus trying to close possibilities and avenues down for the Scottish people.

    170. Chas says:

      There are some people who it is worth arguing/debating with. There are others where it is simply pointless.
      I will leave it at that!

    171. James Che. says:

      Scot Finlayson.

      Edinburgh Slavery And Colonialism Reveiw,

      I hope they are not racist when it comes to the Colonialism part and exclude white people in Scotland.

    172. Republicofscotland says:

      A excellent article by Joanna Cherry, in which its she states that the effects of Brexit will/are be much worse on the economy etc, than the Covid pandemic. The OBR report on Brexit says that covid will cause/has caused a 2% hit to GDP, whilst Brexit will/is be at least a 4% hit.

      Cherry also points out that Northern Ireland’s economy is doing well, as is the RoI’s having access to the EU market. Cherry reminds us of the new maze of customs rules which became active on Jan 1st, that affect EU countries wanting to export goods to the UK, goods from the EU now need immediately import declarations, previously before Brexit they could provide this up to six months after, food and plant products need to be notified in advance, and the only way a tariff free product can enter the UK is if information can be provided to show that the majority of the product was made in the UK.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F19846668.part-uk-scotland-will-not-better-off-boris-johnson-goes%2F

    173. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      I believe I mentioned Trade (3) above.

      But forgot to mention how the election system in Scotland is biased and not the same as the rest of the GB parliament elections.

    174. Republicofscotland says:

      Boris Johnson is to be the chair of a new union council set up by Michael Gove, and remarkably Sturgeon has signed up Scotland to participate in it, is this the actions of an FM who wants independence for Scotland? I think not.

      The Tory government said that all four nations had signed the agreement.

      “Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: “When team UK pulls together in common cause, spirit and endeavour we will always be at our very best.

      “We’ve shown time and time again the combined strength we have in facing off the shared challenges before us, while also seizing the opportunities ahead for the benefit of the whole United Kingdom.

      “Today’s announcements build upon that strength as we all continue to work together to deliver for the British people.”” said Johnson.

      https://www.thenational.scot/news/19847641.scotland-wales-doubt-tories-will-honour-spirit-new-union-council-devolved-leaders/

    175. James Che. says:

      The legality and signing up to the union talks is not a position that NS or the Scottish government can make on our behalf,
      Due to the Scottish devolved government actually being already a British government.
      It does not act independently as a country of Scotland or as a official Scottish government .

      The tricks of the trade is to imply such that it may seem legal a legal entity as separate from Westminster.

    176. Republicofscotland says:

      Prince Andrew to get away with everything and get al his titles back, how did he do it? he’s come out as Trans.

    177. Ron Maclean says:

      From the SNP’s Constitution;

      ‘s2 The aims of the Party are –
      (a) Independence for Scotland: …’
      and
      ‘s4.2 Members must –
      (b) endorse the Aims of the Party: …’

      All SNP MPs and MSPs are bound by the SNP’s Constitution.

      ‘A hypocrite is the kind of politician who would cut down a redwood tree, then mount the stump and make a speech for conservation.’ Adlai Stevenson

    178. James Che. says:

      Some of the changes that have been altered to the treaty of the union did not all happen 300 years ago, although some did take place the year after the treaty was signed by the British New Parliament.

      The rest of these changes have taken place in the 1800s, the 1900s and into the millennium.

      One of the more recent changes to Scots Law abolished “ Scots law of Treason” which was retained to Scotland and still in place after the treaty was was signed.

      This became void with the Terrorism Acts passed by the British Parliament, altering Scots law.

    179. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      That may well be his position now,
      But a legal lawyer will have a heyday with that as at the time of the alleged abuse, he did not declare himself as Trans of Any of the wide spectrum of gender other than Male,

    180. Republicofscotland says:

      James Che @2.43p.

      James, its sarcasm, its not true, I used it denote that if you declare yourself trans, as in many online cases, after an offence, you are likely to be dealt with more leniently than if you don’t declare yourself as trans.

    181. willie says:

      Here Breeks, here’s another inconsistency that will appeal to your logic.

      Big announcement at a time of big political upset to say that the MI5 have established that a Chines spy has been operating within the Parliament of Westminster but same MI5 can’t say if a party, or in fact parties ( Plural ) took place in Downing Street gardens in one of the most highly protected buildings on the planet.

      Strange that. I smell shite!

    182. Sensible Dave says:

      … its been a while!

      Just popped back to see what is happening. Nothing much it would appear.

      The only sentence I would highlight was by Chas above “The ONLY way Scotland will ever achieve Independence will be through the ballot box with real ordinary people voting for it.”

      I believe I have written a very similar sentence to that here on Wings on numerous occasions in the past. Its as true now as it was then. The only difference now, is its seems that its further away.

    183. willie says:

      Here Breeks and do the Metropolitan Polis not know who is coming and going in and out of Downing Street and when.

      Seems that the Metropolitan Polis are just a rotten a corrupt militia that covers up crime, protects the elites, whilst sticking the boot and the baton into ordinary folks.

      Mind you, not much different from the equally odious Police Scotland who are quite frankly just another gang of thugs.

      And meanwhile the world class Clown Prince and liar extraordinaire has gone into hiding. Not difficult to see how the USA constitution introduced the right for citizens to bear arms against governments who turn against the people.

      This is a brutal government with a brutal police and secret service who are against the people. Quite similar in fact to the old Royal Ulster Constabulary or the equally odious South African Police Service.

    184. Breeks says:

      Chas says:
      14 January, 2022 at 10:51 am

      ….. No indications of course of who appoints people to the Committee and airy fairy proposals of who should sit on it.

      How did they decide who should write the Declaration of Arbroath Chas? Does it matter now? Did it matter then?

      It was the principle in law which mattered, not the names of the signatories.

    185. Chas says:

      Breeks

      ‘How did they decide who should write the Declaration of Arbroath Chas? Does it matter now? Did it matter then?’

      How the hell would I know that? Do you? Does it matter then or now?-NO.

      It seems to me that there are several of you on here who want to revoke, amend or challenge something that took place hundreds of years ago. No indication of who is to do this or who will pay for it! Some of you need to get real. Apart from maybe half a dozen on here, nobody is interested. Your sooper dooper idea of some Grand Scottish Council is, I am trying to think of an appropriate word here-I’ve got it-MINCE.

      Sarah

      Thanks for informing me that most law is hundred of years old. I never knew that. I thought most of them were drawn up last week!

    186. Dorothy Devine says:

      Jings! I’m hearing a familiar echo round here.

    187. twathater says:

      @ ROS 1.50pm (an excellent article by Joanna Cherry re brexit and the impact on Scotland) just as I posted up thread

      Never mind the impact of brexit to Scotland Joanna what about the impact of the SNP TROUGHERS of which I now question your membership failing continuously to get or address ANY METHOD to get us out of this lunatic asylum , are you another one Joanna who will sign up to the new revised union agreement OR would you like to point out in court that even suggesting revising the TOU is ANOTHER BREACH OF THE TOU

    188. @James Che,

      Another reason why the Brutish Empire was an abomination and the Treaty of Union made us part of the Anglo Norman/Saxon need for plunder and conquest.

      Edinburgh Slavery and Colonialism Legacy Review,

      Closes 19 Jan 2022,

      https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/edinburgh-slavery-and-colonialism-legacy-review-on/

    189. PacMan says:

      With this conversation about a ‘Constitutional Grand Committee’, I was wondering would it gain legitimacy if it’s findings where put to a virtual electorate and voted on?

      By a virtual electorate, I mean the ability for Scots to register at on online website to become a registered voter similar to what we all have to do for elections. While this isn’t a legal or legitimate voters roll, it’s sole purpose is to vote on issues decided by this Grand Committee.

      While in no way would it give this committee findings any legal authority, it will give it moral authority provided enough Scots register for this virtual voting roll and cast their vote when required.

      The argument is that unionists will never get involved in it so it is a waste of time but the Brexit referendum set a precedent where a small narrow majority decided it. If say, 51% of Scots registered with this voting roll and that 51% voted for the findings of this committee then it will put pressure on the Scottish government.

      This would be similar to the Scottish covenant where over 2 million signatures were collected for the petition for home rule.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Covenant

    190. Republicofscotland says:

      Twathater ‘5.04pm.

      Yes Cherry is a peculiar one, in an article recently, again in the National newspaper, she appeared to be sympathetic towards juryless trials.

      One does wonder though why she isn’t a bit more vocal on independence at Westminster, still compared to Blackford and Co she’s miles ahead. I get the impression that Cherry isn’t one for doing anything radical with independence in mind maybe due to her legal stance.

    191. Republicofscotland says:

      The world’s largest international law firm and one of the world’s largest foundations teamed up to push the trans cause, and here’s how they done it.

      https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

    192. Republicofscotland says:

      More authoritarianism from Sturgeon’s government, Scotland is fast becoming a difficult place to live in and express ones self, without experiencing the wrath of the law. Sturgeon is making sure she’ll never lose another judicial review.

      “Fairness at Work took years to implement, but this has only taken them months, this entire document is a complete shambles with the Scottish Government reserving the right to raise criminal complaints with Police Scotland against current AND former employees – even if against the express wishes of any complainer.”

      https://www.gettr.com/post/poavyja61f

    193. Dorothy Devine says:

      RoS if that is so then there must be some very nervous MSPs – particularly the male of the species ( if I am allowed to say that!)

    194. PacMan says:

      Switching over to new profile.

      My new profile is PacMan2

    195. Brent crude been over $80 pb since the 1st of Jan,

      $80 x 13 x 1,000,000 = $1,040,000,000

      Over 1 billion dollars of our resources flushed down to Westminster for tax breaks to the Eton rich.

    196. Derek says:

      PacMan says:
      14 January, 2022 at 6:04 pm

      With this conversation about a ‘Constitutional Grand Committee’, I was wondering would it gain legitimacy if it’s findings where put to a virtual electorate and voted on?

      I don’t think so, because you’d disenfranchise those that aren’t online. My aunt for example; isn’t online, isn’t for independence, but deserves a vote nonetheless. It’s quite a small percentage nowadays, but you can’t exclude folk.

    197. James Che. says:

      RepublicofScotland.

      Argggh, you got me,
      Mind you don’t go putting ideas in to his head, nothing surprises me any more with those who rule and are supposedly holding integrity and morals higher than ours. 🙂

    198. James Che. says:

      Scottish Sovereign people great Assembly.

      Twathater.
      Breeks.

      Getting organised would be the biggest obstacle, not wether it is legal or would not be taken seriously.

      As I mentioned above,
      It is legal to have the Right to Self Determination.
      It is legal to choose whom Governs us, under the Claim of right,
      It is Legal to question wether we consider the treaty of the union has been broken or breached regards it’s validity since its contractual agreement from 1707 to 2022.

      And I tend to agree with you twathater, changing the original treaty of 1707 would just annul or void the original treaty especially if signed up to by a devolved Scottish Parliament from Westminster’s own branch,

      It would be Westminster agreeing to a change on two accounts.

    199. wee monkey says:

      “Scottish Sovereign people great Assembly.”

      No thanks. Once bitten twice shy.

      @ Robbo. A great loss. RIP

    200. Effigy says:

      I see blackrock, who make money out of almost everything you do
      with major shareholding’s in everything you can imagine saw profits up
      15% on the last year of what we thought was devistation.

      The first investment house to have over $10 Trillion in their portfolio.

      Apple become the first company to be valued at $3 Trillion.

      The Government bought shares in Nat West to bail them out after their greedy Casino
      Banking exploits that sank the economy have sold off the shares at a dramatic loss.
      Any bets on which party the purchasers support?

      Strange how ordinary people are seeing their standard of living plummeting
      while the richest just keep rolling in it.
      20% of the U.K. living in poverty
      Ever increasing need for Foodbanks
      Fuel prices going beyond reach and energy companies suggesting you wear thick socks and
      Woolly jumpers at home.
      Inflation heading above 5%
      6 million waiting for hospital operations

      Levelling up anyone?

    201. Ebok says:

      Effigy
      You could have added ‘we’re all in this together’.

      twathater says:
      ‘@ Breeks 8.53pm I respect your admiration of Joanna Cherry but unfortunately I don’t share that admiration’
      Hasn’t anyone considered that JC may, in her own mind, already have left politics? She did say some time ago that it is not a given that she would stand for re-election in 2023 and was contemplating a return to law. And who could blame her?

      Chas says:
      ‘He simply has to go on the attack … Be bold, be brave Alex’

      Sure, we need to get on the front foot – and soon – but this is a burden too great for one man. We need leaders, as in plural, who can organise the fight on many fronts. Foot soldiers await their instructions. But where are the leaders?

      Ron Maclean says
      ‘s4.2 Members must –
      (b) endorse the Aims of the Party: …’

      Aye, that’s the problem with the party system: party first, country and ethics a distant second.

    202. Republicofscotland says:

      NHS personnel in Scotland are at breaking point some are working 60+ hours a week and some have committed suicide, staff say the NHS in Scotland is in state of emergency now.

      Of course it could all have been so different if Sturgeon had held an indyref knowing just how devastating Brexit has and will continue to be in Scotland. We could’ve attracted more EU workers here to work in our NHS to help replace those that caught Covid or were exhausted from working long shifts, we could also have invested more in our NHS, instead of waiting for the Tory government to trigger the investment via the Barnett Formula, and maybe this would’ve prevented the suicides of our NHS staff.

      But Sturgeon chose not to put Scots before the union, and things have steadily went down hill and will continue to do so as long as Sturgeon remains Scotland’s FM.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19849684.nhs-scotland-staff-say-service-state-emergency%2F

    203. Republicofscotland says:

      So the SNP are worried that the inquiry into Johnson’s BYOB party will be a whitewash, SNP’s shadow Cabinet Office minister Brendan O’Hara (shadow Cabinet Office minister, that’s comedy gold) worries Johnson will just be given a slap on the wrist, O’Hara knows fine well that he and his SNP troughers are powerless and are just at Westminster to make up the numbers, and give of an air of democracy.

      Of course you have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the SNP troughers, the inquiry last year held at Holyrood was an utter and total whitewash, with the SNP redacting evidence, withholding evidence, using the Lord Advocates advice to get around vital matter to the inquiry, coaching SNP staff at a cost to the taxpayers to avoid slipping up on answers and Sturgeon point blank refused to answer at least fifty times when questions were put to her, she replied I’ don’t know, and I can’t recall, and not to the best of my knowledge. The deputy FM John Swinney survived a second VONC on the matter yet again, the ultra woke Green party bailed him out, and have been rewarded with cabinet positions.

      That was a complete whitewash.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19850047.partygate-inquiry-must-not-turn-whitehall-whitewash-warns-brendan-ohara%2F

    204. Republicofscotland says:

      Jesus H. Christ the SNPs Energy Minister Michael Matheson, who failed miserably as Justice secretary, is back on virtually begging England’s Energy minister Greg Hands to use Aberdeen’s Carbon Capture storage facility that the Westminster government has already rejected and moved down to a second phase option, in favour of English plants.

      Matheson says that the Scottish government are even willing to offer up to £80 million of Scottish taxpayers cash in funding.

      Even after the English government slaps them down this shameless and gutless party that governs Scotland, still comes back and even offers £80 million of our cash as a sweetener to the English government, how much more of this kowtowing by the SNP government will Scots put up with before they say enough is enough.

    205. Republicofscotland says:

      Labour branch office manager in Scotland Anas Sarwar has insisted that no pro-indy candidates from his party will be allowed to stand for election, and this has infuriated pro-indy Labour activists, and they are fed up feeling like second class citizens within the party.

      BLiS isn’t a broad church as Sarwar claims it to be, its a narrow minded die-hard unionist party controlled from London, BLiS activists should switch over to the Alba party they support Scottish independence. Thy can always return to Labour after independence.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19850030.pro-indy-labour-members-feel-like-second-class-citizens-candidacy-ban%2F

    206. Republicofscotland says:

      An interesting article written by someone in a local newspaper, says that Antoni Gaudi, the architect of the Sagrada Familia, in Barcelona, which I think is still being added to decades later, was arrested by Spanish police and thrown into jail (1924) for speaking his native Catalan language.

      The article states that even to this day the Catalan language is still discriminated against in Catalonia by the Spanish government.

      This got me thinking that the same applies to our Scots language that has no protected status in Scotland, it has been in the past beaten out of children at school and replaced by the now widespread colonial language of England (English).

      Even though there has been hundreds of years of concerted efforts to destroy the language, as in Catalonia with the native Catalan language Scots has remained, maybe not thrived but definitely still around in some quarters.

      Of course Scotland is overrun by unionist gatekeepers especially in educational institutions who do their utmost to promote the foreign English language over our own Scots language, and its unlikely that the Scots language will receive any help from the SNP government, of which you never hear or see our FM speak any of it, unlike in Wales where Welsh FM Mark Drakeford address the Welsh people in both Welsh Gaelic and English.

    207. Sarah says:

      @ Grouse Beater: re your quote from my short comment here the other day, I was contrasting the chances of Joanna Cherry being able to take a case to court for our independence, with the support she got for the prorogation case.

      I am not in any position to know, and am just expressing my opinion, which is that under the current leadership, the SNP wouldn’t help Joanna cross the road let alone take any steps whatsoever to regaining our independence, sadly.

    208. Robert Hughes says:

      Ros @ 2.59

      I spent 10 years in Barcelona and can confirm the veracity of that story about Gaudi ( still a national hero in Catalonia , rightly , his work is amazing ) and he was not alone , many suffered the same fate .

      The Spanish Gov even as recently as a few years ago during the Rajoy administration where making noises about reducing the amount of Catalan used in schools ie increasing the amount of Castillian , in an attempt to dilute the prevalence of it’s use and by extension the sense of Catalan identity distinct from Spanish .

      They failed , the Catalans are fiercely proud and protective of their language and identity and will never allow it to disappear .Free classes are widely available to anyone who wants to learn it and great appreciation shown to anyone – particularly foreigners , who do so .

      Wither oor ain Scots tongue ? Frowned upon , suppressed and penalised for centuries by our * superiors * , among whose number , shamefully , are past and present Scots

    209. Ebok says:

      Republicofscotland says:
      15 January, 2022 at 2:59 pm
      ‘Of course, Scotland is overrun by unionist gatekeepers especially in educational institutions’

      The first command in the ruling class instruction manual is: –
      DO NOT educate Proles.

      They understood, ‘way before Dylan said…

      Freedom, just around the corner for you
      But with truth so far off, what good will it do?

    210. Republicofscotland says:

      Scottish government minsters found guilty of withholding vital Covid information from the public, by the Scottish Information Commissioner.

      Its not the first time the SNP government has been found to have withheld vital information, and it won’t be the last under Sturgeons tenure.

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/covid-scotland-ministers-unlawfully-kept-second-wave-death-and-case-predictions-secret/ar-AASN85W?ocid=msedgntp

    211. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Republicofscotland 6:31pm
      Of course we knew the SG was doing that. But it is nice to see it black and white. Thank you. Stick it on Gettr. Sturgeon won’t give out the data because it will reveal decisions were made on political grounds and not Public Health concerns. And it will get worse for her when the decision of December 21st is analysed in the fullness of time. The net is closing on her regime.

    212. Breeks says:

      Anybody have a link or archive to Alex Salmond’s mugshot being printed in the Herald I think it was, pictured beside convicted sex offenders I think it was on or just before the beginning of his trial, 9th March 2020.

      I cannot remember if the Herald pulled it, but I can’t find anything about it online.

      I’m sure I remember a Wings article, or BTL discussion about it, but searches coming up empty.

    213. Breeks says:

      Robert Hughes says:
      15 January, 2022 at 3:50 pm

      Ros @ 2.59

      I spent 10 years in Barcelona and can confirm the veracity of that story about Gaudi ( still a national hero in Catalonia , rightly , his work is amazing ) and he was not alone , many suffered the same fate ….

      If you Google Gaudi’s Casa Batlló in Barcelona, the work is amazing for one thing, but rumour has it, the roof is meant to represent Spain as a dragon brutally oppressing the lives of the Catalans, and the skeletal balconies below are the cracked skulls of oppressed. St George, who killed the dragon, is the patron saint of Catalonia.

      It’s on my bucket list to go and see it one day. I think it ranks as one of the best buildings I’ve ever seen. Something beautiful from pain and ugliness.

    214. Dan says:

      @ Breeks

      I’m using phone so limited search functions. The pic is in the following article. It states the article was printed on the eve of the Salmond trial so should be easier to find.
      https://wingsoverscotland.com/agents-of-disinformation/

    215. Breeks says:

      Dan says:
      15 January, 2022 at 9:24 pm

      @ Breeks

      I’m using phone…

      And using it well, that’s perfect Dan, Thank you very much.

      When I searched, it seemed to jump from Cairnstoon to Cairnstoon, and I wondered if stuff had gone. But sorted now.

    216. Robert Hughes says:

      Breeks @ 9.21

      Yes , I heard of that * hidden * symbolism on Casa Batlló ( another masterpiece , not on the scale of the Sagrada Familia , but equally impressive ) . His work is full of such covert messages . As you may have read , he was a religious man but also a very committed Catalan Independista , both aspects informed all of his work .

      Definitely recommend visiting the city , it truly is a marvel , despite the ravages inflicted it on during the Spanish Civil War much of the architecture survived ,and RoS the latest completion date for the Sagrada Familia is 2026 . That building alone is reason enough to visit , but there is so much more

    217. Alf Baird says:

      Robert Hughes @ 10:08 am

      “Definitely recommend visiting the city , it truly is a marvel”

      Barcelona is a magnificent city and it is also a major trade entrepot. The modern port there is also masterpiece in a global sense, and puts our half derelict waterfronts of Glasgow/Clyde and Edinburgh/Forth to shame. I worked on several collaborative research projects there. Barcelona has everything – modern container terminals, cruise terminals, ferry terminals, car import/export and bulks. In addition the old port areas – Port Vell – has been very well ‘revitalised’ and is a major visitor attraction. Meantime Glasgow and Edinburgh waterfronts are a mixed bag of partial redevelopment and continued obsolete port areas, with very little use made of the maritime access and declining port/trade activity. One of the key reasons for this is that Scotland’s cityports were sold to offshore private equity funds whose only interest is profit, not development or trade facilitation, whereas in Barcelona like most cityports globally there remains a public port authority in charge which looks at things quite differently, including the necessity to take a very long term view, which is essential for new port development, and hence the trading competitiveness of entire regions and nations. Barcelona is a vitally important strategic trade entrepot for Spain, which is no doubt one of the reasons Catalonia is ‘haud doun’ by the imperial power.
      https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057%2Fijme.2000.16

    218. Republicofscotland says:

      Robert Hughes @10.08am.

      There have been many dissidents over time who speak out or paint something or build something that pushes back on oppression or colonilaism.

      One that springs to mind because I like the piece, is Sibelius’s Finlandia, which is a patriotic Finnish piece that at the time had to be renamed to stop further Russian censorship in Finland.

      Its a stirring piece of music that you may well have heard, the founder of the Plaid Cymru party Lewis Valentine also used the music of Finlandia to pen the hymn A Prayer for Wales, he was a Welsh language activist as well.

      Some consider A Prayer for Wales as another national anthem for the country.

    219. Robert Hughes says:

      Absolutely Alf .

      The civic will and imagination in Catalonia – Barcelona in particular – puts our equivalent to shame .

      As you know I’m sure , one of the many parallels between Catalonia and Scotland is the ruthless will of the dominant power – Spain – to ensure Catalonia never becomes Independent , couched in the language of * National Unity * ( sound familiar ? ) : in reality the economic and cultural power of that * region * is just too great to let go – again , echoing our relationship with England .

      The colonial mindset in it’s duplicitous rapacity .

      Yes we know ” Catalonia is not ( technically ) a nation ”

      Try telling the Catalans that !

    220. Robert Hughes says:

      RoS

      Indeed . Great to see Wales reigniting it’s identity , though I fear they have an even tougher task that ourselves owing to the large % of it’s inhabitants that identifies itself as English and have no interest , rather , is totally hostile to , Welsh Independence .

      Scotland seems to be following the same pattern demographically , making our cause more difficult year-on-year . At least Wales has Independence leaders who are willing to assert their ambition , whereas we’re stuck with hopeless appeasers who appear to care more about their careers and the interests of minority groups

    221. Republicofscotland says:

      “Scotland seems to be following the same pattern demographically , making our cause more difficult year-on-year ”

      And on the Robert Iain has an excellent and informative post up. It looks like genocide was committed on our ancestors.

      https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2022/01/16/monument-to-first-duke-of-sutherland/

    222. Republicofscotland says:

      SNP Treasurer still refuses to say where the “ringfenced” £600K is at, not only that he says that a fund raising drive will be needed by the SNP to raise cash for this years council elections.

      Surely no ones daft enough to give this lot anymore cash.

      “Despite this, the SNP has said the next fundraising effort they conduct will be to put towards the local elections in May, and not another referendum.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldscotland.com%2Fpolitics%2F19849995.snp-transparency-row-refusing-explain-600k-indyref-cash-whereabouts%2F

    223. Robert graham says:

      As the UK Government are expected to remove most if not all Plague restrictions by the end of this month and the CDC in the USA have dropped their reliance on data gathered by PCR tests that have proven to be unreliable, I expect a announcement from she who must be obeyed the withdrawal of the emergency powers acquired based on unreliable testing data.

      Aye pigs will fly she will cling on to the power she and her government have granted themselves she will be hoping and praying some fkr releases yet another deadly variant

      I wonder what little surprise the panic merchants have up their sleeves to terrify the public because they know how easy it is to scare the shit out of them just look around people scared of their own shadow all avoiding any contact with other people.

      Aye this is not living it’s existing and waiting to be told when to piss Happy fkn days eh .

    224. Robert Hughes says:

      RoS .

      Just finished reading that article on YFS . Outstanding . All the more frustrating that such works and the history they contain is never taught , and never has been taught , in our schools .

      Another subject that is no doubt considered * not valid * by the geniuses in Holyweird

    225. Republicofscotland says:

      I eventually lost the rag with Sellout TV aka STV and emailed them about no Scottish content, the reply I got was short.

      “Thank you for your email, we are sorry to hear you feel this way.

      Please be advised STV is part of the UK Channel 3 network with commissioning and scheduling decisions being made by ITV on behalf of the network as a whole.”

      There you have it there’s no such thing as STV that produces Scottish content.

    226. Hugh Jarse says:

      Re Welsh vigour for independence.

      This is known as Sturgeons law.
      Inversely proportional to the proximity of a real chance at independence.
      The closer it is, the quieter they become.

    227. Republicofscotland says:

      This along with the Scottish Information Commissioners report, from my 6.31pm comment last night shows that Sturgeon ignored and covered up vital information on Covid.

      “One of Nicola Sturgeon’s most senior Covid-19 advisers will claim in an explosive new book that his warnings on care homes and against harsh lockdowns were disregarded.

      “Mark Woolhouse alleges he wrote to former chief medical officer Catherine Calderwood in January 2020 and urged her to begin emergency planning for a pandemic – but was ignored.”

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsscotland/senior-nicola-sturgeon-covid-adviser-will-claim-his-pandemic-warnings-were-ignored/ar-AASP7Li?ocid=msedgntp

    228. Chas says:

      RoS

      I wrote to the BBC a few months ago with similar concerns. I eventually got a patronising response which basically said fuck off, we are right, you are not!

    229. Republicofscotland says:

      Chas.

      I’m hoping the BBC becomes pay per view, this looks promising but you never know. Anyway only independence will allow Scottish content on Scottish channels, I hope.

      https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/national/19851391.culture-secretary-indicates-bbc-licence-fee-will-axed/

    230. Republicofscotland says:

      Two MPs to speak at Saturdays AUOB march in Glasgow.

      “Stephen Flynn, the SNP member for Aberdeen South will take part along with Neale Hanvey, the Alba MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.”

      “They are the first of six anticipated speakers at the event, which is being held in response to the current crisis under three slogans “Sack Boris Johnson, End Tory rule, Independence now”.”

      Sadly Flynn still believes they’ll be an indyref in 2023.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F19851517.two-mps-will-speak-auob-march-independence%2F

    231. Effigy says:

      Glen Campbell, Senior unionist and propaganda manipulator at BBC
      claims DRoss is a hero for stating the blooming obvious that Boris
      isn’t fit to lead anything.

      Funny how he was happy to get behind the clown when he was only a lying.
      Scot hating, racist bullying sex pest.

      What a difference a party has made to the London Tory’s party in Scotland.

    232. shug says:

      So when Nicola fails to call indyref 2 how we exit her.

    233. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi shug.

      I think we all have to attend as many AUOB marches this year as possible – my first will be Arbroath on 2nd April. There are others local to all parts of Scotland so we have to get out on the streets.

      We have to get out on the streets in support of ALBA. We have to let the “(wo)man in the street” know what the SNP have planned for our society and how ALBA are fighting back.

      The council elections in May will be crucial. We have to see ALBA making inroads but it can only be done with ‘feet on the street’ spreading the word.

    234. Jack Murphy says:

      Republicofscotland said yesterday at 11:15 am:
      “Robert Hughes @10.08am.

      There have been many dissidents over time who speak out or paint something or build something that pushes back on oppression or colonilaism.

      One that springs to mind because I like the piece, is Sibelius’s Finlandia, which is a patriotic Finnish piece that at the time had to be renamed to stop further Russian censorship in Finland.

      Its a stirring piece of music…”

      It is most certainly a stirring piece of music composed by Sibelius. I recommend this 9 minute piece with wonderful shots of the independent Finland countryside
      Highly recommended viewing.

      FINLANDIA.
      YouTube:
      https://tinyurl.com/5ck4dw4j

    235. robbo says:

      In the Herald apparently.

      BORIS Johnson’s former top adviser has claimed that senior SNP figures have “made quietly clear” to the UK Government that they would be happy if a referendum on independence didn’t take place before 2024.

      Dominic Cummings, who quit as the Prime Minister’s top adviser last year, has suggested Nicola Sturgeon “just wants to be boss up there and whinge” instead of being serious about holding a re-run of the 2014 vote on independence.

    236. Republicofscotland says:

      As Thatcher stole part of Scotland’s family silverware with regards to North sea assets, so Sturgeon has followed in her footsteps by selling off the rest of Scotland’s family silver.

      Sturgeon has sold off huge swathes of our seabed via the Crown Estate Scotland to developers for windfarms, getting a one of lump sum instead of having annual payments, she has sold off our assets for a pittance.

      Not only that there’s no companies in Scotland (BiFAB) that can build the wind turbines, so those jobs will go abroad, also a third of Scots are in fuel poverty right now, with many more expected to join them come April when fuel costs are set to hit an unprecedented high, as Sturgeon sells of our assets at a bargain price, Scots have to choose between heating and eating because they can’t afford to do both.

      Sturgeon doesn’t care about Scots that is patently obvious, we must remove her at the polls before she does anymore damage start in May by voting for the Alba party at the council elections.

      What passes for a “Scottish media” including Sturgeons fanzine the National newspaper are hailing it as great news.

      https://www.thenational.scot/news/19851666.scotwind-big-day-renewables-wind-auction-results-revealed/

    237. Republicofscotland says:

      This article by Dougie Chapman ( I’m surprised myself) is a belter and I hadn’t realised just how far Scotland has fallen behind the Republic of Ireland.

      Excerpts for the lazy- it makes for grime reading for Scotland.

      “The Irish have seen a boom not just in their cross-border trade with Northern Ireland but also a huge boost in direct sailings from Irish ports to continental Europe, bypassing the old UK land bridge routes to avoid onerous Brexit red tape.

      The port of Rosslare in County Wexford has seen a 378% increase in the volume of freight to and from Europe, with a total of 44 direct routes now operating to the continent from ports in Ireland, up from 12 pre-Brexit.”

      “Historic Tory privatisation of our ports and the lack of any meaningful regulation and port expansion as a result has scuppered our chances of building our maritime capacity. Unlike the Republic of Ireland, we don’t have any state involvement in our strategic ports; they are all run independently of government whether they are trust ports, privatised or local authority.”

      “Scotland currently has no ambitious, over-arching state-driven maritime strategy like we see in Ireland or indeed with our Nordic neighbours. And, unlike our Irish cousins, we have not taken action on creating direct routes to the continent, as lorries trundle from Scotland down to the south of England to wait their turn in the expanding log jam at ports along the English Channel.”

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F19851877.scotland-must-look-east-north-west-grow-nation%2F

    238. twathater says:

      It is all very well for the Chapman’s to come out shouting after the event, where is the likes of Chapman exposing the lies and corruption of sturgeon and her woke warriors

      Chapman was on Roddy’s prism and he was all gung ho about ports , shipping and ferries , are these troughers now starting to brick themselves that their jaikets are on a shaky nail or that the electorate are becoming more aware of the nsnp’s total ineptitude when it comes to governing Scotland
      Chapman , Russell and company have been at the trough now for decades WTF have they done to make Scotland better for Scots , ANSWER= NOTHING ,NADA,ZILCH, Now the likes of Chapman INSULTS US by pointing out the fucking obvious , his compatriots are more interested in talking about another round of BEGGING the electorate for funds to fight the local elections and the usual DAFTIES will probably cough up

      PayPal Paul might need tae eat breid for a while while the DAFTIES contribute to niclas fantasy indy fund for a fantasy indy ref , BUT don’t worry dafties the money will be ring fenced to pay for my new CV

    239. Republicofscotland says:

      Robin McAlpine points out in detail how the Scottish government has sold out Scots and Scotland with todays fire sale of our coastline for a pittance. The SNP under Sturgeon are doing untold damage to Scotland.

      https://robinmcalpine.org/scotland-gives-away-its-energy-future/

    240. Dan says:

      @ Ros at 8.18pm

      You’ll know I have regularly posted links to the energy dashboards which highlight both GB Grid demand and methods of generation / supply, and also Scotland’s energy generation which more often than not is exporting power down south.

      It’s absolute bullshit the way this is being handled. Who the hell are their advisors, and just who’s interests are they serving, coz it certainly ain’t in the best interests of the vast majority of Scotland’s population, both present and future.
      Mind you, this is all happening under the watch of the same twats that can’t even procure a couple of ferries… so the sooner people wake up to all this the better.

    241. Robert graham says:

      I assume all these details about the sale of the century will be reported in the SNPs paper of choice The Daily Record.

      If ever there was a need to undertake a search of every SNP Government ministers financial affairs it’s now ,every last place where money can be hidden , this is not fiscal negligence it’s probably criminal theft .

      Then again these crooks have had plenty practice I mean making £600.000 disappear and getting away with it by telling unbelievable fkn lies .

      Oh what exactly happened with the thorough police investigation ? , Aye fk all just like the money wasted by attempting to Jail Alex Salmond has that been recovered ? Has anyone been sacked or forced to resign,

      The buck stops at Sturgeons door what’s the chances of her going to prison yep no fkn chance and don’t mention the ferries anyone seen one never mind two , just how fkn useless can this lot be

    242. robertknight says:

      @Robbo

      “Dominic Cummings, who quit as the Prime Minister’s top adviser last year, has suggested Nicola Sturgeon “just wants to be boss up there and whinge” instead of being serious about holding a re-run of the 2014 vote on independence.”

      Aye… ‘No Shit Sherlock’, as the saying goes.

      Nice of the MSM to finally admit what they, and visitors to this site, have known all along…

      Sturgeon is soft on Independence.

      Why? Because the SNP Turkey(s) would be voting for Christmas in the event that it happened…

      No room for the SNP in a three-party political landscape that would undoubtedly exist in an Independent Scotland, and certainly no money with which to run their Woke obsessed operation. Plus, in the absence of any upper chamber, the unedifying prospect of SNP MSPs and MPs at each others throats over the limited number of seats for their bums to warm at Holyrood.

      “Stronger for Scotland”? Aye, right!

    243. robbo says:

      The jackpot – ffs.

      William Wallace: Yes!, Fight and you may die. Run and you will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here as young men and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they will never take our freedom!

      Seems Robertson wasn’t listening when he sold our soul again for peanuts.
      Only 49% of this resource should have been available- 51% should have been kept by a Scottish Government holding for our country!

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/scotwind-renewable-energy-is-set-to-see-scotland-hit-the-jackpot-angus-robertson-msp/ar-AASRStg?ocid=msedgntp

    244. North chiel says:

      Interesting “ debate” on Good morning Britain this morning regarding the BBC licence fee . Chap in favour of retaining the fee maintained that he was against “ all nationalism” ( Scottish, Welsh & English ) , and BBC was a force for the Union & holding “ our country” together . As I recall , certainly we saw the BBC “ at work” during the 2014 referendum campaign with the most blatant biased Propaganda campaign against Independence & Scottish sovereignty.
      This guy has the gall to say that the BBC news output was “ honest” reporting of news output . The truth being that the BBC is the “ propaganda arm” of the “ British establishment “ ie “ The “ BRITISH “ state broadcaster together with their colonial outposts in Scotland Wales & Northern Ireland , with their “ bought & sold “ house jock” reporters / broadcasters .

    245. robertknight says:

      BBC…BritNat Brainwashing Channel

    246. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @9.04pm.

      Dan.

      The Britnat media in Scotland are hailing this deal as wonderful, adding that Scotland will now produce at least five times the energy that it needs, meanwhile Scots sit freezing in their homes which they cannot afford to heat as the profits from the energy that’s produced in Scotland heads abroad and down South.

      The Britnat media also says that this will create a boom in Scottish jobs, but part of the giveaway I meant deal, was that construction of the wind turbines etc, is that they won’t be built in Scotland, its in McAlpine’s article.

    247. Republicofscotland says:

      The Tories Voter ID bill heads to the House of Lords today to be scrutinised before becoming law.

      In essence the its all about following America in an attempt to disenfranchise millions from voting, mainly those who would vote other than Tory. Only four people were convicted of voter ID fraud in 2019, the last GE.

      Combine this with the Tories exerting more power over the Electoral Commission, and huge swathes of the UK populous could find themselves marginalised, Scottish independence minded parties will probably also suffer at the hands of EC with more Tory input on the cards.

    248. Dorothy Devine says:

      Watched London Calling again- for those who haven’t seen it nip over to Grousebeater nd fill your boots , my blood is boiling once more.

    249. Dan says:

      @ Ros at 9.13am

      Aye, The matter of supposed local jobs creation has been mentioned before.

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/tidying-up/comment-page-6/#comment-2680874

    250. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan.

      Yes good previous comment, on the carbon capture in Aberdeen, it now turns out that the Scottish government wants to give £80 million of our cash as a sweetener to the UK government to reconsider using Aberdeen’s facilities, even though Westminster has already slapped them down and told them that English plants will be used and that Aberdeen will be in the second phase.

    251. Robert graham says:

      The Front page of the SNP fanzine The National.

      We are in the money wind bonanza for all Scots

      Just don’t look at the small print to closely or investigate exactly who benefits, yep princess Nicola really believes all Jocks are mugs.

      Police Scotland deny any investigation is taking place regarding the rumour that a french spy has been operating at the centre of the Scottish government at the highest level , the FM has declined to comment about her good friend who just happens to be the french consulate

    252. Benhope says:

      The price of Brent crude oil is now approaching $88 a barrel. This is the highest price since 2014 and is likely to push the pump prices even higher. The oil producers and the money men will be rubbing their hands as they make massive profits.

      Should wee Scotland where all the oil is coming from ask for a few more bawbees in our pocket money?

    253. twathater says:

      Re the givaway of Scotland’s energy , I saw the guy Anderson CEO from Scottish Power (Ibedrola) being interviewed on TV he was so enthused at the SG givaway , this is a guy and a company that I had a dispute with for 2 years who hadn’t even the decency or morality to respond to numerous telephone calls or emails , this is a guy who enriches himself and his paymasters whilst families with children in Scotland attending food banks (which is outrageous itself) are requesting items that don’t have to be cooked because they can’t afford to heat them and heat their homes

      This is Sturgeon’s Scotland a resource rich country that allows Scottish children and pensioners to suffer whilst our expansive indolent political arseholes enrich themselves and gorge on the benefits

      Roll on the revolution

    254. Dan says:

      Same as it ever was…
      In the 1930s… Scots head south to try to find employment in steel works.
      Big Country – Steeltown (Rev gets a name check! 😉 )

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ssx1Davnkw

      Almost a hundred years later… Scots head south to try to re-find their job in a “Scottish” & Southern call centre…

    255. Republicofscotland says:

      Dan @5.44pm.

      Thanks for the link Dan, McAlpine points out that an FM who was serious about Scottish independence wouldn’t have given away that very valuable asset yesterday for a one-off pittance payment. I would have been retained grown and used to better the country for our people.

    256. Jontoscots21 says:

      Don’t know who saw the feature on STV Shortbread about the rape crisis in Scotland’s universities.? It centred on the worst offending campus Edinburgh. Simple Sandy Brindley was featured exhaling some air and some words with a pained expression. Now to talk to some students cue unhinged English (or Anglified) trans woman as the first vox pop and a couple of gen whiner blokes. None of them had any genuine anger or concern, they were just cued up to be mildly annoyed. Maybe the majority of the parents would be if they knew who heads up Rape Complacency Centre Edinburgh. That’s the Scotland Sturgeon and her enablers are building.

    257. Dan says:

      Fair Play For Women granted permission by Scottish Courts for Judicial Review of the Scottish Census.”

      https://twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1483522631081021447

    258. Robert graham says:

      Just how many people are aware of what Sturgeons government are getting up to and how much of our money they are squandering in their pursuit of a frankly weird attempt to change nature and turn it on its head ,

      The mental trans mob have been posting images of JKs house in Edinburgh and out trusted cops are doing ? , fk all that’s what they are doing

      How much longer is Sturgeon going to cling on to get yer Jab mantra when the Scottish figures for infections of the plague are showing 1-2-3 injected recipients are the source of transmission and this is the exact opposite of what this lying fkr is saying

    259. Dan says:

      Can anyone recall the inclusion of “We will sell off Scotland’s renewable energy potential on the cheap” in the SNP or Green’s manifesto commitments?
      Asking for a nation so bound by mandates…

    260. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan 8:48pm
      Saying it is selling on the cheap is a gross underestimate. No golden share, no supply chain manufacturing guarantees, no indigenous support for local business. An SNP fuck up. We will hold them to account eventually. It’s only when we depart from the SNP as the party of Independence will we make progress.

    261. Dan says:

      @ Tannadice Boy

      Indeed, but how could too wee, too poor, too stupid, once renowned shipbuilding country Scotland ever manage to weld bits of steel together to make wind turbines.
      Manufacturing of that sort is just an impossibility within Scotland…
      Oh, but what’s this… We do actually have workers with the practical abilities to carry out such engineering endeavors, as can be seen by this stylish Missile Tube Array being built at Rosyth.
      Strange thing is my mate who was repairing the damaged in ocean transit Chinese wind turbine bases in Dundee, was also welding up some of those MTAs…

      https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/06/babcock-awarded-slbm-tube-contract-extension-by-electric-boat/

    262. Tannadice Boy says:

      @Dan 9:43pm
      Agreed it is incomprehensible to me. You forgot about the Chinese steel that built the Queensferry Crossing. Our youngsters can earn thousands on being an influencer on Tik Tok or Instagram. Why be a welder?. Actually good welders made a fortune consistently for many years. And still do but they are now in every other country except Scotland. The SNP don’t do industry in fact they only do gender shite.



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