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The angry saboteurs

Posted on November 06, 2016 by

There are three separate articles in today’s Sunday Times on the same subject, all containing the same information, of which the below is the most concise.


So let’s recap the events, shall we?

1. In March, the Scottish Government signed a “memorandum of understanding” with some Chinese companies to discuss potential investment by the companies in Scotland, possibly worth up to £10bn. A press release was issued by one of the companies and the apparent good-news story was covered – reluctantly and (natch) slightly inaccurately – in the Scottish press.


2. In April the Unionist parties and the rest of the media noticed the agreement and whipped up a storm of shrill fury about the “secrecy” involved and the vague unsuitability of one of the Chinese firms.


The outrage went on for days, weeks and months, with all sorts of different reasons given as to why Scots should be scandalised that their government was attempting to attract foreign investment and jobs. The Times’ reporter/columnist (it’s so hard to tell these days) Michael Glackin was prominent in the fury.


3. It’s now been revealed that the “political fallout” – that is, the reaction from the media and the opposition parties – has in fact scuppered the deal, with the Chinese understandably not wanting to be caught up in the toxic crossfire of such extraordinary hostility towards the SNP.


4. The people responsible for losing Scotland up to £10bn are now howling at the Scottish Government over the deal’s collapse, and the fact that it didn’t shout about that collapse from the rooftops, even though there was no actual “deal” to collapse in the first place. The Chinese had merely agreed to discuss one, then ran away in horror as Labour, the Tories and the Times descended upon them like screeching harpies from Hades.

Glackin, having almost certainly done more than any other individual to sink the agreement and wreak serious harm on Scotland’s economy, then had the brass neck to pen a mind-bogglingly enraged piece about the SNP’s ineptitude.


It concludes with paragraphs which plainly acknowledge that the chief culprit in the “debacle” was Glackin himself (along with his hack colleagues and opposition MSPs), yet still summons the chutzpah to thunder that it “marks a new nadir in [the SNP’s] abysmal decade in power”, and is “a national disgrace”.


Those two comments are, of course, probably true, just not in the way that Michael Glackin appears to think. It’s been clear for a long time that the opposition parties and the Unionist media are more than happy to damage Scotland in their neverending quest to attack the SNP. It’s a little surprising to see them this angry on one of the few occasions when it’s actually worked.

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    1. muttley79 says:

      How can people like Michael Glackin and company be happy and content, both professionally and personally, acting in this manner? Does this really make them feel worthwhile?

    2. Dorothy Devine says:

      Shameless media and opposition – the time is coming ,tick tock tick tock!

    3. Scott Borthwick says:

      So it’s now the SNP’s fault that some of the people who oppose the SNP are arseholes.

      Glad we cleared that up.

    4. Macandroid says:

      I am so sick of these unionist politicians and their media lackeys damaging the country and people they are supposed to represent.

      I wish they would all move to their spiritual home, England!

    5. bobajock says:

      Wow. No contract. Simply a fishing trip with no catch.

      MSM wet themselves like 2 yr olds. Any opportunity to ignore the shit down south.

    6. Connor McEwen says:

      The Unicorn should be accepted as the new Scottish currency in line with the myths and obfuscations of “we are all in this together”. Let me get this right. The Union lot got what they wanted so it is the SNP’s fault.Then when the Union lot do not get what they wanted it is still the SNP’s fault???? WHIT THE ffff

    7. Ken500 says:

      It s just unbelievable.

      Westminster borrowing Chinese money for overpriced Hinkley Point and HS2. What a bunch of hypocrites.

      Brewer had two SNP supporters on the programme.

      May away to India. What a nerve. She sabotaged trade with India. Banning Indian students but giving Oxbridge, Bath and Imperial preferential rights.

    8. scotspine says:

      In any other NATION, the likes of Glackin, Chrichton and Murdo Fraser would be publicly vilified figures after behaviour such as this.

      Thanks to Stu for highlighting this. Its about high time others in prominent positions did too.

    9. mr thms says:

      What was the deal?

    10. Ken500 says:

      Charles is sword dancing in Arabia.

    11. pa_broon74 says:



      Might be worth bearing this in mind, there are parallels…

    12. Croompenstein says:

      Boy that Glackin looks a right smug arrogant bastirt. Do they think us Scots button up the back, away and shite Glackin

    13. Neil Cook says:

      Why doesn’t the SNP come out with a statement in a press conference and say that instead of creating hundreds of jobs and investment that they took the advice of the unionists party and press whilst holding all the articles and say that is what they wanted !
      Do you think the media would publish the press conference I doubt it very much.

    14. Ruby says:

      ‘It’s been clear for a long time that the opposition parties and the Unionist media are more than happy to damage Scotland in their neverending quest to attack the SNP.’

      Absolutely correct!

      They don’t like to be called ‘anti-Scottish’ & I’m supposing it’s because the truth hurts!

    15. Bob Mack says:

      Their mission is to destroy the SNP. If Scotland suffers casualties in commerce or justice along the way, then they view that as a price worth paying to establish the “old order”.

      They are Scottish by accident of birth but give allegiance first and foremost to the British State. They profess to wanting the best for Scotland but put every other aspect ahead of that expressed wish. Their focus is on anything which holds Scotland back and keeps it tied to the British State. Football, religion. political parties are just some of the tentacles on these beasties.

      They have served so long they have no concept of what it is to be free. Their obligation and their loyalty is to a bigger State.

      We gave fought through that imprisonment whilst they dutifully serve.

      A day of reckoning will come though.

    16. scotspine says:

      Incidentally, didn’t Davidson, Dugdale and “Linus” Rennie attack Nicola Sturgeon at FMs questions over involvement with the Chinese?

    17. David MacGille-Mhuire says:


      Is Mr Glackin trying to tell us Westminster is minging via this glaikit, Freudian typo?

      I can only but agree with him for it is and so is he and his faeces fomenting band of BritNat hacks.

    18. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “Incidentally, didn’t Davidson, Dugdale and “Linus” Rennie attack Nicola Sturgeon at FMs questions over involvement with the Chinese?”

      I believe that they did, yes.

    19. Stoker says:

      Rev wrote:

      “The Chinese had merely agreed to discuss one, then ran away in horror as Labour, the Tories and the Times descended upon them like screeching harpies from Hades.”

      🙂 LOL, What an image!

      More on the smouldering sack of shite that is Michael Glackin,
      note the section on ‘Stats for Michael Glackin’. He’s another clickbait nobody trying desperately to make a name for himself:

    20. liz says:

      The opposition parties are there to hold Scotland back.

      Our spineless toothless media, apart from Bernard P since yesterday, will allow this story to run and the uniformed will blame the SNP.

      they should hang their heads in shame but they don’t do shame

    21. Sinky says:

      Noticed on Sunday Politics Gordon Brewer praising the eminent Professor Jim Gallacher’s expert legal credentials.

      Can someone please direct me to recent Wings article on his qualifications?

    22. scotspine says:

      @ Rev

      I would say that on the back of that, “Queens eleven” loyal Fraser should shut his mouth and hang his head in shame.

    23. Ruby says:

      I’ve just been reading an article by Alan Cochrane all about what might happen if Theresa May calls a GE.

      He reckons the Tories could end up with 5-10 MPs in Scotland blah blah blah the interesting thing about the article is that he refers to the Tories as ‘Ruth Davidson’s Conservatives’

    24. Skip_NC says:

      I didn’t realize the Sunday Times had anyone that can read Chinese and access Weibo.

    25. gus1940 says:

      Would it not be appropriate to describe Glackin, his fellow ‘journalists’ and the unionist politicians who sabotaged this potential deal as ‘ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE’.

    26. heedtracker says:

      It’s quite an accomplishment though. Tory hacks have just cost Scotland £10bn.

      A ten thousand million quid investment lost and for what? Its like cancer now.

    27. Iain says:

      Stoker – re the archive on Glackin – on this Journalisted database I’ve never come across a hack who has supplied biographical or educational details. Hard to find much elsewhere, too. They like their near-anonymity.

    28. G H Graham says:

      Glackin was former managing editor of “The Daily Star”; a paper which predominantly focuses on gossip about sport, celebrities, soap operas & reality TV shows.

      There’s yer BritNat journalistic “talent” at work folks.

    29. Scott Borthwick says:

      Mr Thms

      There was no deal. There was an accord to continue discussions with a view to finding possible investments in areas of mutual benefit.

      Obviously this was bad, because foreign investment is no good unless a) it goes to the South East of England, b) it is brokered by Westminster, or c) both a) and b).

    30. Drekken11 says:


      Wasn’t the rev. Was one of Eric Joyce’s articles on NoToYes that Rev Stu retweeted a couple weeks back

    31. Stoker says:

      I notice in that Times piece at the very top of this article it refers to the infamous unnamed “insider” again. What sort of clowns subscribe to this lack of credibility?

    32. If they call a G.E. Ukip will take a lot of seats as the people who voted to leave are fed up with the delaying tactics of Westminster they know that Ukip will get on with the job of getting out a lot quicker

    33. Stoker says:

      Iain (@12:45pm)

      I did wonder as i was trying to find out more about him, where he was born, schooling, background, etc etc. Thanks!

    34. George S Gordon says:

      Are the opposition glaikit enough to raise this next Thursday?

      I believe they are but, if they don’t, one of the SNP backbenchers certainly should.

      James Dornan would be my choice.

    35. Hamish100 says:

      Michael Glaiket- who is he?

      Another Times lackey no doubt pally with “Hitler Diaries scoop” Neil esq. Who controls the agenda with Marr an co by inviting such like lackey’s on paper reviews to run down Scotland -not just the snp. Usually taken up by the state broadcaster. As for deals– has the RN / BAE ships deal done, as in signed sealed and delivered?. Does Mundell know ? He was there? Will tank commander advise at next FMQ’s as she think she is FM?

      It is all Scotlands fault, brexit, the weather, the non wearing of poppies!!

      As said before and will continue to ask will Davidson Dugdale Rennie and co convenor of the Greens place Scotland first?

    36. Brian Powell says:


      The LibDems and the rightwing Slab voters will most likely vote Tory, and the rest of Slab are too stupid to see what is needed to protect Scotland.

    37. Cuilean says:

      I don’t think China gives a damn about Western Press reviews.

      Remember the sinister, running ‘minders’ who ‘protected’ the Olympic flame, as it ran through UK streets, before the Chinese Olympics? The UK press was in uproar at their treatment of by standers & some protesters. The Chinese ‘minders’ physically assaulted anyone they did not like the look of and the UK police were told to look the other way, so that China was not upset.

      I suspect it is far more likely that the UK Foreign Office clandestinely became involved after Brexit and advised China that they would look on it very favourably if China simply dropped the Jocks’ deal, in preference over Hinkley & other English commercial interests.

    38. Andy-B says:

      Well, that’s the whole point of it, to keep Scotland weak, and divided.

      The majority of the media, and unionist politicians in Scotland, don’t want Scotland to flourish.

    39. Fireproofjim says:

      Come on Stuart. It is not true that there were three articles in the Sunday Times on the Chinese talks.
      There were actually FOUR. All the same same story and all by Michael Glackin. There was a front page story and an inside article in the main news section and then two articles in the business section.
      Michael Glackin is a right wing Tory and a poisonous SNP hater who every week vents his bile on the Scottish Government. A few weeks ago it was a diatribe of lies about the Scottish NHS, but this is something exceptional even for him. Even Gillian Bowditch, no friend of the SNP, seems a voice of reason in comparison.

    40. heedtracker says:

      Cuilean says:
      6 November, 2016 at 1:11 pm
      I don’t think China gives a damn about Western Press reviews.

      Could be but does that explain goons like Crichton’s “Can we trust Sturgeon to get cosy with China” banner headlines?

      It doesn’t get any dirtier than this, UKOK hackdom style. Except ofcourse it does.

    41. Jockanese Wind Talker says:


      ‘It’s been clear for a long time that the opposition parties and the Unionist media are more than happy to damage Scotland in their neverending quest to attack the SNP.’

      Proof once again (not that us Wingers need it) that the only effective opposition party in Scotland is the media.

    42. Rookiescot says:

      So the yoons cried “This deal with China is terrible!!”.

      When the deal collapses the yoons cry “How could you let this deal collapse?”.

      Even though there never was a deal to start with.

      Seriously, I know we are getting near panto season but this is becoming stupid.

    43. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      gus1940 says at 12:44 pm


      Could not agree more.

      This cavalier attitude of ‘f*ck the consequences to Scotland, her economy and her people as long as the SNP/SG are damaged”.

      The only effective opposition party now in Scotland is the media and they will do all that they can to protect their paymasters money and power.

      In their world “The Union must prevail at all costs”

      The installation of a Tory Govt. or a Unionist Coalition at Holyrood is the way they want to achieve this and the relentless cry of “SG/SNP Baad” is the mechanism they are choosing to go.

    44. Ruby says:

      Brian Powell says:
      6 November, 2016 at 1:10 pm


      The LibDems and the rightwing Slab voters will most likely vote Tory,

      Ruby replies

      How many LibDem & rightwing Slab voters are there?

      Perhaps it would a good thing if these so called ‘Ruth Davidson Conservatives’ won every seat in Scotland and then people might be able to see ‘The Ruth Davidson Conservatives’ in action at Westminster!

    45. Croompenstein says:

      I’ve had an idea for a new musical instrument it just harrumphs a load of shite when you hit the notes…

      A Glackinspiel… 🙂

      *runs for cover*

    46. Ruby says:

      I’ve just read a very weird story about Alex Neil being left in a ‘state of shock’ & frightened because an angry passer-by spat on his jacket!

      He had just being leaving a meeting about ‘how to tackle domestic violence’!

    47. Kes says:

      The Chinese are weak and unable to follow through in the face of ignorant hacks.

    48. GrahamB says:

      Has Torcuil Chrichton’s contribution been photoshopped or does he really acknowledge that he is “The Arse of Politics”?

    49. Ruby says:

      Rookiescot says:
      6 November, 2016 at 1:28 pm

      So the yoons cried “This deal with China is terrible!!”.

      When the deal collapses the yoons cry “How could you let this deal collapse?”.

      Even though there never was a deal to start with.

      Seriously, I know we are getting near panto season but this is becoming stupid.

      Ruby replies

      🙂 🙂 🙂

      Do you ever think that the opposition politicians and these ‘journalists’ are making Stu’s life too easy?

    50. Grouse Beater says:

      Same ol’, same ol’.

      England harried Scotland for almost five years, threatening all sorts of retribution against potential English and foreign investors, as a means of undermining the Darien Project.

      When their nefarious activities proved highly successful stopping support they belittled us for the consequent lowering of money circulation, and our ‘stupidity’ for daring to be entrepreneurially adventurous.

      So, what’s the difference – abused in the UK or abused out UK?

    51. Malcovitch says:

      Croompenstein says:

      “Boy that Glackin looks a right smug arrogant bastirt. Do they think us Scots button up the back, away and shite Glackin.”

      Unfortunately, there are plenty that do button up the back and swallow the crap they read in the press without ever questioning it. Hence the 55% No vote. What other country in its right mind would vote against its own independence?

    52. Breeks says:

      Eyes on the prize people. What kind of trade deal is represented by Scotland staying in the EU?

      I don’t mean it in a xenophobic way, but the Brits best beware that the biggest commodity they will be exporting to the Chinese is U.K. wealth. Look at Rover. I was in Beijing the year before the Olympics, and it’s a remarkable place. For example, you could by a Toyota Landcruiser for about the same as you would pay in the U.K., or you could buy the Chinese version, which looked like a Landcruiser, performed like a Landcruiser, quacked like a Landcruiser, and in every capacity apart from its badge, was a Landcruiser, but it cost about a quarter the price.

      Scotland should be satisfied with Europe, and the protection we have for our branded goods protected by trade treaties which the Westminster government wants torn up.

      I liked the Chinese people. They are a clever and resourceful people, and back then modernising their country at breakneck speed. But given the choice, I would plant my feet in Europe and sell Scotch Whisky to anyone, rather than have a trade deal with the Chinese and before I know it see Chinese Whisky being imported into the U.K. That isn’t a dig at the Chinese by the way, far from it, but Scotland will be in the driving seat with European deals because we’ll be sovereign, whereas any deal with the UK is essentially a deal by proxy, and we know how expendable Scottish Industry becomes at a U.K. Level.

    53. billy says:

      Me thinks he should change his name from Glackin to Glackett

    54. Stoker says:

      Kes wrote on 6 November, 2016 at 1:40 pm:

      “The Chinese are weak and unable to follow through in the face of ignorant hacks.”

      Kes, i suspect it has more to do with something along the lines of what Cuilean wrote further up thread at 1:11pm, which was:

      “ is far more likely that the UK Foreign Office clandestinely became involved after Brexit and advised China that they would look on it very favourably if China simply dropped the Jocks’ deal, in preference over Hinkley & other English commercial interests.”

      Then they brought their BUM gophers such as Michael Glaikit in on the act to spread the fear and smear. Seed sown! Job done!

    55. Richardinho says:

      What I hate most about unionists is what could be described as their ‘nihilism’. They have this apparent craving to knock down and destroy anything that this country does. Like most nihilists of course they have a ‘mummy and daddy’ to fall back on, and this is how they regard the UK.

      It’s basically a form of extreme immaturity.

    56. Sinky says:

      Thanks for this Nana

      Its time the SNP had a “neutral” think tank as it seems these academic research bodies carry some weight with the press if not voters.

    57. Artyhetty says:


      I think you have it correct, the Chinese would not be bothered about western media being a bit nasty about them. Some faction of UKok has had a hand in this. They are criminals, who will lay waste to Scotland, while keeping their iron grip on our resources.

      They want Scotland kept as poor as possible, to undermine any progress being made by the SNP government. It is also orchestrated to keep Scotland shackled, begging bowl in hand, and keeping full control of their resource rich, minimally devolved neighbour.

      I guess in places like south America they just kill off the left leaning, indigenous party leaders and activists, and pay the security services handsomely for oppressing anyone who attempts to retain any autonomy in their own country.

      Here, they are using a slightly different tactic, strangling the country by keeping control of the purse strings and destroying industry, as well as blocking any new investment, then blaming the party in power in Scotland, the SNP. Win win for the unionists, and their pals abroad.

    58. Truth says:

      As ever Scotland operates with both hands tied behind her back.

      Well yoons, we’ll all keep wriggling. And after this, will wiggle harder.

      Those chains won’t hold out forever.

    59. Luigi says:

      The yoons seem to be embarking on a scorched earth policy. If they cant hold on to one of the most productive parts of their UK, they sure as hell will try to ensure that nobody else benefits. They may even manage to wreck Scotland so much that a YES vote becomes nigh impossible to achieve in the short term.

      IMO they plan to asset strip and then abandon Scotland. Unfortunately, there is still a lot of oil under the sea bed, the “scotch” whisky label is not transferrable, and the wind does not want to move south.

      And so they hang on to us, with all the power they can muster.

    60. ROBBO says:

      Of course Labour and the Tories both want to impoverish Scotland for their own political ends. Labour has never been and never will be in the business of making Scotland prosperous because it cuts thro’ their ideology that only they can protect us from those nasty Tories and of course the Tories in turn want the status quo and certainly do not want the Scots to get any whiff of self determination. The sad reality many middle class and dare I say it elderly Scots are still oblivious to it all as they readily consume this crap as their only source of information.

    61. Dan Huil says:

      The britnat media continues to denigrate Scotland. Don’t buy these britnat rags. Don’t visit their websites. Let the Rev do the business in his usual forensic way.

    62. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Unfortunately @ Luigi says at 2:15 pm

      “Unfortunately, there is still a lot of oil under the sea bed”

      But who owns it?

      I posted this previously on the “God-have-mercy-on-us-all thread”

      “Jockanese Wind Talker says, 3 November, 2016 at 4:17 pm”

      The Oil & Gas Authority launched a new website on 3 October 2016 to reflect its new status as a government company.

      This formalises the transfer of the Secretary of State’s regulatory powers in respect of oil and gas to the OGA, and grants it new powers.

      So that’s why there’s no State Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change.

      Whoever is running this “government company” must be on a good screw.

      Also doubt it is in the best interests of the Scottish Government.


      @ Glamaig replied and posted this from their Website previously on the “God-have-mercy-on-us-all” thread by Glamaig says 3 November, 2016 at 4:53 pm

      ‘On 1 October 2016 we became a government company, limited by shares under the Companies Act 2006, with the Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy the sole shareholder.’

      So there you have it The Oil & Gas Authority are now a UK Government owned Limited Company.

      Now we all know what happened to Britoil under the Tories don’t we:

    63. frogesque says:

      Quite simply the opposition parties and the press have absolutely lost the plot. They would rather see Scotland damned than prosper.

      We gotta get out of this place!

    64. David says:

      Read the last picture, and we find that the Chinese were intending to invest in:
      “Scottish transport schemes, clean energy projects, business parks, and affordable housing developments”.

      How in hell could anyone object to any of that? Foreign investment capital for socially useful, environmentally beneficial, and non-controversial areas?

      If this is ever raised in Holyrood, I hope the SNP get stuck in to the opposition, which means both the political parties and the unionist media.

    65. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Also @ Luigi says at 2:15 pm

      “The “scotch” whisky label is not transferrable (sic)”

      Unfortunately it is only protected under Current EU Legislation (which the Tories are going to remove from us or face losses to the Kippers):

      “A number of United Kingdom food and drink products have been granted Protected Geographical Status under European Union law.”

      “Scotch whisky, Designation :PGI, Year Awarded 2008.”

      “Limited to whisky that is produced in Scotland. The final product must not be sweetened or flavoured, other than the addition of plain caramel as a colouring. The product must have an abv of at least 40%.”

    66. heedtracker says:

      GrahamB says:
      6 November, 2016 at 1:41 pm
      Has Torcuil Chrichton’s contribution been photoshopped or does he really acknowledge that he is “The Arse of Politics”?

      Torcuil and chums are a great deal more than this. Its Torcuil and chums that cooked up the great The Vow fraud on Scotland.

      You can argue all day just how much of an influence their The Vow fraud actually had on the course of Scottish democracy, Scottish histroy, UK history and ofcourse the DR’s rapidly buried it. But Torcuil is a very significant figure, in Scotland and our road to self rule, or not, pending the publication of Torcuil and chums, The Vow 2.

      Do Torcuil and chums at the DR have to sheer gall to do another historic The Vow 2 fraud? You betcha. Are there enough proud Scotbuts like Torcuil, that want to believe again in Torcuil?


    67. Robert Graham says:

      I doubt if there is another country in the world where the media and opposition parties , activly work to undermine the elected government to the detriment of the general public , Their whole ethos appears to be rubbish everything the SNP government do while conveniently forgetting the total shambles previous administrations left us with , from the very day our parliament reconvened it started with the shambles of the parliament building and cost overruns and late delivery of one building ,ONE bloody Building, and they couldn’t even get that right , add to that all the other legacies we and our children’s children will be paying for , all this mess being hidden by a very compliant media , i believe the correct term is Sedition .

    68. Dr Jim says:

      In that big England it’s now acceptable to say what you like to whomever you like or print what you want about anybody you want as long as it favours the Tories or the UKIPPERS Brexity side of the argument

      In our wee Scotland we’re almost used to that level of tyranny from the media and Unionist parties and dare we to say a word or demonstrate against this behaviour we are named as vile sub humans for doing it

      Even amongst our own supporters now the yoke of abuse is beginning to be worn comfortably with constant reminders of maintaining good behaviour from our side and to take the higher ground while awaiting justice

      Trouble with this patience for justice thing is we’re waiting for the very people who excuse the vilest of behaviour amongst themselves but brook no dissent from elsewhere or opposing views from anyone without the most unpleasant of rebukes and even to threats

      For the most part the good people of the YES movement and beyond have waged a war of words humour and sarcasm to fight the good fight and for the most part were it a boxing match we’d be well ahead on points and a dead cert for a win barring a knockout
      But we have a couple of problems inasmuch as the referee the judges the promoter and the TV company have fixed the fight so our opponent wins no matter what we do
      It’s a bit like fighting in Germany, as any boxer will tell you, you have to knock out your opponent to get a draw

      If no other strategies can’t be employed Scotland will be a dried out husk of a dustbowl before it’s Independent but by then depopulated from lack of employment and opportunity or it will have been taken over completely by our useless cousins in the South post wrecking their own flooded out wetland to move North after the next round of Scottish clearances

      I for one don’t know what to do about that, because that’s the trouble with Scotland it’s always just one and the rest bottle it or take the money

      So, Indyref2 Bottle it? or take the money, what’ll it be?

    69. And in other news, Frank Field’s Pensions Committee is recommending snapping the State Pension ‘Triple Lock’, because apparently us baby boomers are getting richer while the young Millenniums are getting poorer.
      It’s all because we own big hooses which have rocketed in value, and we all have final salary pensions, which, mercifully, Frank Field, one of the biggest Red Tories in Blair’s Government observes are no longer available to the Working Scruff.What fucking planet are these people on?
      Last time I looked, the UK State Pension stood at £119.30, give or take, the 6th worst in Europe.
      WE can’t afford a decent retirement for the ‘hard working elderly’ but we can buy 600 useless tanks from the US Industrial and Military Complex, at £3.5 billion, spend £160 billion on Trident, and Pay the French and Chinese through the nose to build a new nuclear power station (time bomb) Down There.
      Thanks , Stu, for yet another coruscating evisceration of the Dead Tree Scrolls.
      There is an evil streak running through the politics of Davidson , Dugdale, Rennie, and their band of List Hangers On.
      They actually take delight in scuppering any Scottish initiative.
      They are actively sabotaging Scotland, the land of their birth. For what?
      For money, and a cushy wee life in the Yoon backwater which they consider Scotland the English Colony to be.
      I have nothing but utter contempt for the lot of them.
      I favour the SNP Administration to resign en masse, forcing a SGE and stand on a Self Determination ticket.
      Vote SNP, and you are voting for Free Scotland.
      The MSM are beyond parody now. They are simply enemies of the Scottish people.
      And they wallow in that description nowadays. That’s the sadness of it all.

    70. dramfineday says:

      It’s the sheer bloody minded soorness behind this incident that depresses me. On and on with the girning and greetin. Nary a word about how it could be a good thing in respect of potential benefits, just girn, girn, girn. No doudt they’ll be laughing into their drams, having apparently got one over the snp government. What an absolute shower.

    71. dakk says:

      The Brits and Yoons will be punching the air with delight at yet another British victory over Scotland.

      How gratifying for them to have such a plaything to torment as their last colony Scotland.

      May their mothers suck thingwies in hell

    72. galamcennalath says:

      When events are lain out so clearly, why would any fair minded Scot not be furious?

      As others have said, in their quest to damage the SNP and Scotland’s prospects of self determination, there are those willing to wreak havoc with jobs, industries, investment, and what next? Public order?

      Where do you start to describe these people? Betrayers, back-stabbers, double-crossers, double-dealers, renegades, fifth columnists … yes, saboteurs …. or just the good old fashioned T-word ?

    73. Brian Powell says:

      Quite a contrast where we could meet Nicola Sturgeon and her Cabinet when they went around Scotland, where we can meet Wee Ginger Dug, Iain McWhirter or Lesley Riddoch, to the worthless shites like Glackin, Crighton, Cochrane, who hide in the columns of newspapers or in TV studios.

    74. That`s potentially hundreds if not thousands of jobs lost to Scotland,

      that`s wages for Scottish citizens to put food on the table,to clothe their children to help look after their elders,

      so much misery for the citizens of Scotland just for a couple of contrived SNPBad headlines,

      Nicola has a mandate from the Scottish people to protect Scotland and her citizens from harm,

      people like Murdo Fraser and the Hack Glackin should face some sort of punishment from Scottish Gov for undermining/sabotaging the Scottish state.

    75. galamcennalath says:

      Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      “Scotch whisky, Designation :PGI, Year Awarded 2008.”

      “Limited to whisky that is produced in Scotland. “

      The more we discuss EU benefits, the more I appreciate full our membership!

    76. Dr Jim says:

      @Jack Collatin

      Planned a year ago by Dr Liam Fox along with winter fuel allowance

    77. Camz says:

      Some journos get their kicks (and their pay cheque) from creating trouble, nurturing uncertainty and undermining others’ efforts.

      Better politicians would call them out, and keep them out of future journalistic opportunities. Here’s hoping.

    78. Liz g says:

      Jockanes Wind Talker @ 2.35
      Re the privatisation of the Oil & Gas,Authority.
      Does that, do you think, mean that when we are Independent and private ownership remains private.
      Cause it’s a hand over of power not a revolution.

      That our oil and gas will remain managed by a private English government company.
      An English company will set the framework within which the Scottish oil industry has to operate?
      That’s mad…or very sinister.
      I doubt that a Scottish Government could or should be removing the rights of companies to Own something,but could we potentially be being manuved into a situation where this English Company always has an interest in Scottish oil.
      And or it has the ability to dictate what kind of tax take we can generate from it.
      Not forgetting the lengths they will go to to “protect British interests abroad”, could it turn out like that?

    79. liz says:

      I’m beginning to hate the Greens as much as SLAB.

      They will be supporting another pathetic attempt at disruption of Holyrood which is SLAB’s fracking ‘ban’.

      And we have Ross Greer on twitter practically accusing the SNP of accepting a bribe from B Souter re bus regulation.

      When picked up on that , he said my job is to hold the SNP to account – so this is his job now?

      I remember the Rev had an article on him a while back talking about his arrogance as part of official Yes.

    80. Capella says:

      I wonder if China’s change of heart comes as a result of Theresa May delaying the Hinkley Point decision in July?

      “Last weekend, Chancellor Philip Hammond was in Beijing and raised the possibility of a free trade agreement.
      If Chinese pique over a reverse on nuclear energy landed the British government back on what many in Whitehall called China’s “naughty step”, trade negotiations would go into the freezer and howls of protest would follow from those in the business community who were hoping to realise Mr Osborne’s “golden decade” in economic relations.”

      BBC 31st July

      Then on 18th September, UK approves Hinkley Point deal.

      That would make the memo to FM in between UK delaying Hinkley and deciding to go ahead with it.

    81. Thepnr says:

      @Liz g

      The newly formed Oil & Gas Authority is just another UK Government quango that would become obsolete and have no relevance in an Independent Scotland.

    82. Liz g says:

      Thepnr @ 3.55
      Thanks for that….phew this lot don’t half get ye paranoid about what they will try to pull off next.

    83. Thepnr says:

      @Liz g

      Sorry it is not a “quango” officially it’s an “Executive Agency”. Would still be irrelevant in an Independent Scotland IMHO.

      “Executive agencies are “machinery of government” devices distinct both from non-ministerial government departments and non-departmental public bodies (or “quangos”), each of which enjoy a real legal and constitutional separation from ministerial control.”

    84. Robert Graham says:

      Can anyone think of a better time for the much maligned Posters to start going up ? , and all those moaners who say they are counter productive , even ones who apparently support Independence , a short message delivered in the best possible taste and with kind regards to all .
      Go F–k yourself .
      This will be available in other Languages if the message isnt clear enough .

    85. ahundredthidiot says:


      just what the heck is NS thinking taking sides in a foreign countries Democratic election!?

      Talk about politically niaive……..unbelievable.

      Disappointed big time.

    86. Brian Powell says:

      On the media, I found it kinda hilarious that BBC Scotland wasn’t allowed to send a team to the US elections.

      After being London’s ‘voice’ in Scotland they are now upset that this is all they are, so no separate Beeb Scot, they will use what the 120 BBC staff going there provide.

      Assume this means no easy coverage of Kezia’s trip to save Hilary.

    87. ronnie anderson says:

      Could I ask for some professional advice from our resident Vet (pro bono) I am looking after Mitch’s wee Yorkie Boab while he’s in Hosp i,ll soon be joining him wie this wee feker ‘s farting ( pure methane ) am gonnae end up wie pneumonia stawnin at ma back door , ma L/room smells like ah florist’s shop, short of a wine cork what can I give the wee farter.

      Thanks in advance Dr Morag xx.

    88. Thepnr says:

      Well done Murray. World No 1 on the back of 8 tournament wins including Wimbledon, two other Grand Slam finals and an Olympic Gold to boot.

      Something that Scotland can be proud of!

      Won’t be long before the haters are spitting abuse on twitter.

    89. Scott Borthwick says:

      Luigi says:
      6 November, 2016 at 2:15 pm

      IMO they plan to asset strip and then abandon Scotland.

      It was telegraphed as far back as 1707. On hearing the news that the Scottish Parliament had voted to dissolve itself, the Speaker of the English House of Commons, declared “We have catch’d Scotland and will bind her fast.”

      Enough said.

    90. Lenny Hartley says:

      Jockanese Wind Talker, the Scandal is not Britoil, what needs to be investigated is how Scotland’s only oil company Burmah went tits up just as the North Sea was being developed, I believe a Mr Denis Thatcher was involved.

    91. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Brian Powell Pmsl scratch that christmas shopping at Macy’s then for the branch office of Bbc Scotland staffers.

    92. Thepnr says:

      @ronnie anderson

      Re the wee dug, message for you on Off Topic 🙂

    93. galamcennalath says:

      Brexit, a good summary of where we are from Canada ..

      It is becoming clear, I think, that May intends a ‘full’ Brexit i.e. Hard and outside the ESM.

      Farage and the gutter media make clear they interpret Brexit as hard Brexit.

      The ‘fear’ perhaps is that parliament may vote to authorise only a soft Brexit.

      Of course none of this would be happening if the Leave side had clearly defined what Leave actually meant!

    94. Clootie says:

      Darrien – It is also worth mentioning that the English made it very clear to the Spanish that they would not provide any assistance to the Scots should they require it – hint,hint.

    95. Lochside says:

      Agree with Cuilean’s analysis at 1.11pm the dirty hands of Westminster are at play with this ‘deal’ being strangled at birth. It has ‘Hinkley Point or else’ written all over it.

      When you look objectively at the universal marketing by Supermarkets, tv advertising, the poppy propagandising of Union Jackism, you would be naive in the extreme not to see the collusion going on at the highest level with the UK Government and big business. Similarly with the stinking media. Nissan is only the tip of the iceberg.

      Fanny Mae and her acolytes must be pulling big strings to keep us subjugated at all costs. The ‘useless’ massive oil reserves, whisky, fish etc. might have something to do with it. The fact that England could declare Independence tomorrow and withdraw from the EU and leave us behind seems such an obvious idea..only if you consider that England is bust, can’t feed it millions of people and is run by a hateful cabal of upper class racists who couldn’t run a pie stall successfully.

      We are the villified crutch that England’s glory has always relied on..the battered partner in a one sided union. Why should we be talked down to by venomous lying skunks like Glaiket?
      Time to kick the bullying English boasters into touch once and for all.

    96. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Thepnr Thanks muches

    97. Cairnallochy says:

      May I suggest that awareness of the SNP now forming a minority government might play a part in this saga. This state of affairs might well be considered a “shambles” in Chinese terms, given the hostility of opposition parties to the “deal”.

    98. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      I’m not entirely sure @ Liz g says at 3:45 pm and
      Thepnr says at 4:04 pm.

      Is it definitely a Quango/Executive Agency if they are a Limited Company, under the Companies Act 2006, with the Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy the sole shareholder?

      Not ‘private ownership’ as such as a UK Govt. owned company therefore ‘nationalised’ not a quango surely?

      I think:

      1. They’d try to give us a very small % as part of UK Govt. assets settlement


      2. They’ll sell it off later as a cash raising privatisation like they did to Royal Mail with a shares float

    99. Macart says:

      The media and opposition parties scupper relations with a nation considering inward investment… and they don’t see the irony in this? Seriously?

      The same folk who want Scots to accept that Brexit means Brexit. Indeed that the Scottish Government and public should work with Westminster to make a success of fleg waving, isolationism in the WTO are moaning their faces off because they’ve successfully managed to turn away the very type of inward investment they’re looking to attract themselves. That about right?

      Oh FFS! That just about sums up the UK and its politics today.

      A complete and utter mash up of myopic, self obsessed, self important idiocy.

      These morons insist that they know what is best for the public. The politician and the media hack with his big soap box. The organ grinder and their monkey. What a pairing they make.

      Well done them.

    100. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Posted too quick 🙁

      Also what are this UK Govt. owned Limited Companies assets listed as??

    101. Dan Huil says:

      Thankfully these britnats rags are losing their influence in Scotland. The real enemy is the bbc, and, of course, Westminster.

    102. Proud Cybernat says:

      Surely ‘screeching harpies from Strophades’? But I get the idea.

    103. Hector says:

      Must admit, my initial reaction on reading this was real anger but, as they say, don’t get angry, get even! So my suggestion is, a “Statement on the Union” Address. Something the Yes movement can regroup around. Not time yet for Wee Blue Book 2 but a summary of where we are now from Wings and Wee Ginger Dug, exposing the lies of the opposition parties, the confusion and incoherence of the Greens and the utter malevolence of the mainstream media!

      I am more than happy to contribute to crowdfund this, in tandem with the billboard campaign and the local government elections in May 2017 provides us with an open goal to aim for.

    104. Thepnr says:

      @Jockanese Wind Talker

      I’m only going with what I could find online. For example from Wiki:

      “In June 2013, the UK government asked Sir Ian Wood of Wood Group to conduct a review into maximising the recovery of oil and gas from the UK Continental Shelf. One of the recommendations of the Wood Review was the creation of an independent economic regulator for the sector.[2] Subsequently the OGA was launched on 1 April 2015 as an executive agency of DECC.”

      Read a bit more now and it’s status has indeed changed from that of an executive agency.

      “On 1 October 2016 we became a government company, limited by shares under the Companies Act 2006, with the Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy the sole shareholder.”

      None of this changes my opinion though in that it would cease to have any relevance in an Independent Scotland. It’s not an asset at all and is fully funded by a levy on the Oil Companies with assets in the UK sector of the North Sea. It can’t make a profit so is worthless. Just another talking shop in support of the Tories.

      A quango in all but name, owned fully by the UK government.

    105. Capella says:

      Since the Memorandum of Understanding was cancelled after the Westminster government halted the Hinkley Point contract, it is clearly the Westminster government that is the greatest threat to the Scottish economy. Surely these hacks can see that.

    106. yesindyref2 says:

      I agree with the article BUT. The ScotGov said once it all flared up that they did fairly limitied “due diligence” for the MoU, as it was a commitment only to exchange information, not a deal involving actual transfer of money.

      They also said that actual deals would of course be subject to due diligence.

      If the Chinese companies are getting cold feet, perhaps that’s why.

    107. Thepnr says:


      Yep, hit the nail on the head, this “deal” with the SG was cancelled on the back of May’s decision to withdraw from the Hinkley Point contract. Of course she subsequently changed her mind again.

      Seems so obvious now that you mention it. Shame the hacks fail to see what is staring them in the face.

    108. Liz g says:

      Jockanes Wind Talker @ 5.36
      So the concern would be if they float this company on the stock market then?
      Sorry if that’s a daft question I really don’t understand all this company/stock and shares stuff.

    109. t42 says:

      great news!
      the fundraiser for the homeless women set upon by a vicious mob of hillary supporters is now up to $33k.
      well done everyone for helping out denise scott!

    110. louis.b.argyll says:

      It’s BUNKUM, but with ‘China!’ in it.

    111. heedtracker says:

      ronnie anderson says:
      6 November, 2016 at 4:33 pm
      Could I ask for some professional advice from our resident Vet (pro bono)

      Exercise! Take him for a long walk everyday. Give him a bit less scoff.

    112. Tam Jardine says:

      Kezia Dugdale, Ruth Davidson and Willie Rennie should apologise to the Scottish people in Holyrood for putting party politics above the national interest.

      They along with the idiotic malevolent press have cost Scotland potentially £10 billion of investment and potentially countless jobs.

      They may also have put off other potential investors.

      In this climate doing anything that puts off investment is reckless irresponsibility.

      I hope the SNP tear them apart for this. I am amazed the Times ran with this story- obviously they didn’t get the memo to keep schtum on this own goal.

      What a shower of morons

    113. yesindyref2 says:

      It should be pointed out as well of course that the “secrecy” was one of the terms of the MoU. Any release of info should ahve been agreed between the ScotGov and SinoFortine / CR3. It was a leak from one of the latter CR3 I think).

    114. HandandShrimp says:

      So the same people that vehemently opposed any sort of trade deal with this consortium are now furious because the Chinese decided to back away from it because of the very negativity and hostility the proposal caused in the UK press.

      These people are quite remarkable. Is Mayhem going to ask them to lead the UK’s attempts to forge trade links post the EU?

      The only thing I recall from that event was Nicola saying that it was only an agreement to look at potential joint ventures in the future and that nothing had yet been signed. Nothing ever will if people like Torcuil and Glaiket get their way.

      I trust they are doing their best to scupper the nuclear deal that the Tories have signed up to.

    115. heraldnomore says:

      Gosh, is that another indyref bribe about to go?

    116. Did anybody else pick it up?

      The BBC “national” news from London hailing Murray’s victory today showed sections of the crowd waving big Saltires. On came the BBC Scottish news. Never a Saltire to be seen but crowds with Union Jacks. What a surprise. Our enemy is among us.

    117. Clydebuilt says:

      The more people who hear of this the better…..

      Get it shared

    118. Phronesis says:

      ‘Partiia tol’ko ukrepit svoi pozitsii,esli ona budet vzaimodeistvovat…so vsem obshcestvom’

      Translates as

      ‘The party will only strengthen its positions if it will interact with…the whole society’

      Gorbachev, ‘Discourse, Dictators and Democrats ‘

      As the Politburo changed from its authoritarian stance to engage with emergent Russian democracy its language changed. The connection between language and inherent power relations was understood by Gorbachev who led his country through enormous political transition using the language of negotiation, not superiority and subordination.

      Unlike the hapless WM regime with its toxic mouthpiece that remain immersed in the past of inglorious imperialism and articulate a Pavlovian response to anything aspirational or advantageous regarding Scotland. Add in to the mix Scotland’s right to self -determination and to manage its own affairs and one is exposed on multiple levels to the authoritarian vernacular that serves to constantly remind Scotland that it is an inferior region of the UK bereft of political and democratic capability.

      This is of course grossly insulting to Scotland’s electorate and the YES movement. On sites like this the unpaid, highly motivated ‘low level propagandists’ constantly expose the subterranean level propagandists who evidently fear the institutional and behavioural changes of democratisation.

    119. liz says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill – I never watch BBC news but it’s funny you should say that about BBC South Britain as I have noticed a slight, very slight, softening on Scotland.

      Is it possible that they now realise Brexit is a total mess & also know that SNP and Nicola have built good relations with EU negotiators?

      Maybe a false dawn but interesting.

      BBC Scotland are unsavable IMO

    120. heedtracker says:

      May explains it,

      “I believe in and value the independence of our judiciary. I also value the freedom of our press,” she told reporters. “These both underpin our democracy.”

      Graun thing on May’s wiseness of being a tory, in a tory world, tory press, tory BBC etc. Graun then ends all that tory jazz with,

      “Since you’re here …
      … we have a small favour to ask. More people are reading the Guardian than ever. But far fewer are paying for it. And advertising revenues are falling fast. So you can see why we need to ask for your help.”

    121. Clydebuilt says:

      Dave McEwan Hill

      Kheredine Idessane commentating on radio Scotland said there were lots of Saltires and Jimmy Bunnets……

      Was at an athletics meet at kelvin hall circa 2007, a BBC employee was handing out UJ, flags and big foam hands to kids…..

    122. heedtracker says:

      Was at an athletics meet at kelvin hall circa 2007, a BBC employee was handing out UJ, flags and big foam hands to kids…..

      And after independence they’ll be getting handed their P45’s. How hard would you fight to keep a high pay, high status and what looks like very cushy number?

    123. Robert Peffers says:

      @Bob Mack says: 6 November, 2016 at 12:20 pm:

      ” … They are Scottish by accident of birth but give allegiance first and foremost to the British State.

      For goodness sake. Bob Mack. The United Kingdom is not, “THE”, British state. They are only one of the British states and by referring to the United Kingdom as, “The British State”, you not only insult those in states in Britain that are not parts of the United Kingdom. These states are The Republic of Ireland, The Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey and The Isle of Man.

      Come to that you insult the People of Scotland too for, like it or not, we Scots are every bit as British as those who belong to the Kingdom of England part of the bipartite United Kingdom and those British people from outwith the United Kingdom.

      Just why are you so ready to do the Westminster Establishment’s propaganda for them?

      For that is exactly what it is you are doing. It has long been Westminster’s claim that the Kingdom of England are sovereign over the rest of Britain but they are not and never have been.

      They have been making these claims since before the Birth of Christ but even the Roman Empire has never had sovereignty over either the crown heads of Scotland nor the sovereign people of Scotland.

      The people of the three country Kingdom of England are simple just one part of Britain and they should never be allowed to forget it.

      When we Scots leave we will end the United Kingdom. Yet these Englanders, and their supporters in Scotland, are still claiming there will be a United Kingdom, but when Scotland pulls out of the United Kingdom the union is finished.

      The union known as The United Kingdom has never involved any other kingdoms that those of Scotland and England and we need no further proof of that than the signatures on the Treaty of Union that formed The United Kingdom.

      Wales and Ireland came into the Union as integral parts of the Kingdom of England and no other Kingdoms have ever been formed in Britain since that Treaty became a legal agreement in 1707.

      There are indeed four countries in the United Kingdom but the name, “United Kingdom”, attests to the truth that are there still only two partner kingdoms in the United Kingdom. The real problem is that Westminster sees itself, and indeed treats itself, as the Parliament of the country of England that has devolved the power of the country of England to everyone else.

    124. Chess man. says:

      @liz 7.37pm: The following is a quote from Prof.Richard Dawkin’s essay – today on his RDF website.

      “I like to think of my life as governed by rational decisions, but I have to admit that my attempt to learn German in my quixotic seventies is governed more by emotion—an emotion that might strike some as positively irrational. I don’t specifically need German for my life or my work. No, my motive is almost akin to penance: a personal atonement, however futile, for the pathos-ridden arrogance of my nation. Brexit has made me ashamed to be English. I’m ashamed of the England of Farage and his xenophobic yobs—and of Cameron whose cowardly opportunism gave them their head. I’m ashamed to be English, not British: I’d be proud to be Scottish or Irish today.
      Brexit is the obvious recent manifestation of both the arrogance of the English and its ignominious unjustifiability, but it has shown itself for longer in our attitude to the learning of languages. Insofar as we teach languages at school, we treat them like Latin, with no expectation that, having mastered gerunds and the subjunctive, there’s any need to end up actually having a conversation with Johnny Foreigner.” Well said Richard!

    125. Robert Peffers says:

      @Sinky says: 6 November, 2016 at 12:39 pm:

      ” … Can someone please direct me to recent Wings article on his qualifications?

      I think the person claims to be an, “emeritus”, Professor, Sinky, and I can direct you to the dictionary definition of, ’emeritus’.

      emeritus – adjective

      (of the former holder of an office, especially a college professor), having retired but allowed to retain their title as an honour.

      “emeritus professor of microbiology”.

      I believe the person using that title in this instance has never actually been such a person – you cannot retire from what you have never been.

    126. Liz g says:

      Chess man @ 8.15
      Well there was a time when I would have agreed with you about Richard Dawkins.

      There was a time when I thought it was time and money well spent to go to London to hear his Keynote speech to the Secular Society.

      Except it turned out that when there was a good chance of a Secular government/Constution on these islands he not only didn’t at that time have the courage of his convictions,and put his weight behind it,he signed up to keep Scotland in a regime that has very little chance of getting rid of the malign influence of religion in his or his grandchildrens life time.

      If he has had a change of heart that’s very welcome
      ofcourse,but as a public figure who put his name behind better together he has a bit of ground to make up to be convincing that he is doing anything other than trying to advise England and her church led population what to do.
      To be convincing that a country moving forward to a Secular democracy is something he does support.

    127. Robert Peffers says:

      @gus1940 says: 6 November, 2016 at 12:44 pm:

      !Would it not be appropriate to describe Glackin, his fellow ‘journalists’ and the unionist politicians who sabotaged this potential deal as ‘ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE’.”

      Aye! Gus, but that’ll be a bit like calling, “Glaikit and his fellow journalists”, a bit like, “Pullers of agricultural equipment”.

    128. Legerwood says:

      The Chinese withdrawal from this may have more to do with China’s own economic situation and their talk of nasty press coverage etc is a convenient excuse for them.

      Apparently some bad economic news about China’s reserves is expected tomorrow and is likely to result in some economic belt-tightening.

      Another possible reason for them going cold on pursuing the possibility ofa deal was that the MOU made it clear that any agreement had to meet Scots Law and EU law. The Chinese wanted to use their own model which was one of the reasons why the SG intervened in the discussions between the Chinese and Falkirk Council who were likely to accept the Chinese terms rather than ensure they met domestic and EU law.

    129. Thepnr says:

      We seem to have reached a situation in Scotland where a great many are reduced to relying on the scraps doled out from the Westminster table.

      We are supposed to be so grateful for anything they can spare, we are accepting of crumbs instead of demanding our fair share of the cake.

      There are now at least 50% of us who are off our knees and believe that Scotland has a better future without relying on their largesse, yes we have a bit further to go and more people to persuade though I do believe we are slowly getting there.

      We don’t need scraps from Westminster or China, all Scotland needs is the power to control her own destiny. That means Independence.

      Someday, sometime soon, we will have enough of us that see that.

    130. Brian Powell says:

      The media focus on the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon has been massive and relentless, and we know if they weren’t in Government examination of the other parties would become no more that a trickle.

      However the public are examining the state of the other parties, that’s why we threw out Scottish Labour MPs from Westminster and Slab in Holyrood.

      That’s why, for all the Tory trumpeting, they have only 7 directly elected MSPs. Labour have 4, with 17 rejected at GE.

    131. Proud Cybernat says:

      Britain is Scotland’s past. Europe is Scotland’s future. There is no in-between.

      I voted REMAIN, Nicola, as 62% of this country. That is to Remain in the EU with all its benefits and safeguards. No backsliding, Nicola.

    132. Mochachoca says:

      To be fair the new Oil and Gas Authority is “headquartered” in Aberdeen (but naturally must also have a plush office presence in London).

      I bet having to spend some YOOKAY money outwith London really grinds their gears though 🙂

    133. heedtracker says:

      Legerwood says:

      Do you really believe all that? The whole of the UK tory BBC led media and all the opposition parties monstering everything involved, is more than enough.

    134. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Cheers @ Thepnr says at 6:03 pm

      “It can’t make a profit so is worthless.”

      My concern was that it would be used to raise revenue as a ‘company’ with ‘tax payer’ assets and eventually sold off to the highest bidder (probably the Chinese with the profits going to No.11 Downing St. (and into Tory boy pockets) at the expense of the country.

      Must be getting overly cynical/paranoid, I just don’t trust the bast*rds.

    135. Robert Peffers says:

      @ronnie anderson says: 6 November, 2016 at 4:33 pm:

      ” … ma L/room smells like ah florist’s shop, short of a wine cork what can I give the wee farter.
      Thanks in advance Dr Morag xx.Hi, Ronnie”

      Hi Ronnie, You could start by NOT feeding the wee dug like a human and put the wee dug on a diet of doggy Kibble.

    136. yesindyref2 says:

      Yes, I echo your word of caution.

    137. Legerwood says:

      “”heedtracker says:
      6 November, 2016 at 9:11 pm
      Legerwood says:

      Do you really believe all that? The whole of the UK tory BBC led media and all the opposition parties monstering everything involved, is more than enough.””

      What are you talking about? Your post does not make any sense and in no way is a response to what I wrote which you have not even quoted but instead make it appear that what you have written was written by me.

    138. tartanpigsy says:

      Peter Bell’s view on the excellent movie based on GA Ponsonby’s book.

      For those wanting to screen it contact the makers.
      The idea at the present time is to take it round the country before uploading online.
      It is a well made, snappy incite into just “How the BBC stole the referendum”

    139. Peter says:

      As usual, Stu doesn’t tell you the whole story.
      Why was the deal not announced by the SNP in the first place?
      Why was the cancellation of the deal not announced?
      Something fishy?

    140. Jimbo says:


      “Was at an athletics meet at kelvin hall circa 2007, a BBC employee was handing out UJ, flags and big foam hands to kids…..”

      It was the same at the televised cycling Tour of Britain this year. The first leg was from Glasgow to Castle Douglas. The Yoons were handing out Union flags at the finish line by the hundreds.

      When it was shown on TV you could hardly see the spectators for the flags. We need to start getting a step ahead of them at these televised events.

    141. Lenny Hartley says:

      Because Peter you moron if you could read you would find out that there was no Fkin deal.

    142. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      @ Peter says at 10:03 pm

      You fae Embra Peter?

    143. James Waldie says:

      This was cancelled by the Chinese who were put under pressure by Th Wicked Witch of the South a very evil woman worse than Maggie Thatcher. She is going to get a shock The Breixt will go through yes and thats when England will suffer Her and her muppets think it will be a walkover and evrthing will be rosy ha ha ha .
      The Scottish Ship Builders and Fishermen this they think they will be bitter off under Brexit A promise made before the 2014 Election that th Frigates would be built on the Clyde cancelled cause we voted yes to freedom but Tory government corruption it was put back nd th th General Election only one Tory kept his seat that shocked the Hell out the Tories so they are trying the same bloody ploy again WAKEN up Clyde YOUR NOT GOING TO GET IT. aS FOR TH FISHERMAN it was not the European THAT MOVED THE BOUNDARIES IT WAS THE ENGLISH LABOUR GOVERNMENT AND BLAMED EUROPE The English MP’s should was out their mouths with soap ans stop telling Effing Lies Th confessional would be filled for days and Days on end Most of you House of Lords are about as big liars as the MPs FREE SCOTLAND and you will see how the UK should be Governed

    144. Jimbo says:

      Peter wrote:

      As usual, Stu doesn’t tell you the whole story.
      Why was the deal not announced by the SNP in the first place?
      Why was the cancellation of the deal not announced?
      Something fishy?

      The deal wasn’t announced because there wasn’t a deal to announce. There was a memorandum of understanding to discuss doing a deal – that was announced. It was all over the press. It had the Yoons spitting bile.

      They couldn’t announce the cancellation of the deal because there wasn’t a deal to cancel. Again, just in case you’re not absorbing this; there was a memorandum of understanding to discuss doing a deal but the Chinese decided not to go to the discussion stages because of the political uproar from the the Holyrood Unionist alliance and their tame media. In short, the Yoons cost Scotland a £10 billion deal.

    145. Thepnr says:


      Can you no read? There was no deal:

      “In March, the Scottish Government signed a “memorandum of understanding” with some Chinese companies to discuss potential investment by the companies in Scotland, possibly worth up to £10bn.”

      Note the words “potential investment” and “possibly worth”.

      You’ll never see the truth Peter if you insist on keeping your eyes and mind closed.

    146. Ken500 says:

      Alexander’s of Falkirk have a £2Billion? contract to build electric buses for the Chinese brokered by Souter. There is a massive, increasing Chinese market for whisky and salmon. A huge market. There will be other opportunities. There were talks of direct flights.

      The Chinese describe Scotland as ‘the land of invention’. When the Premier visited the UK he came to Scotland first.

      ‘Britain a small island without Empire’.

    147. Peston On Sunday coming up on STV. I believe Mhairi Black is on

    148. Rock says:

      Following Saint Theresa’s visit to India, Nicola should also visit India to strike some trade deals.

    149. yesindyref2 says:

      Ah, I see you haven’t read the MoU. Here you go:

      Each party may make public reference to the existence of this MOU as it thinks relevant and appropriate, provided that each party will obtain the approval of the other parties for the contents of any press release relating to the terms of this MOU prior to issue of such press release.
      The whole MOU may be subject to release in the event of a request for information made under the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002”

      See? Scot Gov could say nothing without agreement from both sides. But there was a lead from CR3.

      Glad to help.

    150. Capella says:

      From the Sunday Times, August 23rd 2016.

      “China has become the largest crude oil operator in the North Sea despite boasting that it uses deep-water oilrigs as strategic weapons.

      The scale of Chinese growth in the region meant that Britain handed about £2 billion in tax breaks to one state-run oil company last year, analysis by The Times has shown.

      China National Offshore Oil Corporation (Cnooc), which is controlled by the Communist Party in Beijing, runs two of the North Sea’s biggest oilfields. Nexen, a Cnooc-owned company, is responsible for extracting almost 200,000 barrels a day in the area, more than 10 per cent of output.

      China has moved to dominate British oil production in what one expert described as an exercise in “soft power” as Beijing expands its global role.”

      The rest is behind a paywall but you get the idea.

    151. Grouse Beater says:

      Scotland and happiness:

    152. Rock says:

      Independence referendum in May 2017, full independence from 1st January 2018.

      Then Scotland would be in a very strong position to deal with both the rUK and rEU.

    153. Andrew McLean says:

      Remember when newspapers actually told the truth, now they are so toxic you can’t even use them to wrap a fish supper.
      Anyway if I see an article was written by Torquil I avoid it like herpes.

    154. Thepnr says:


      Any “potential deal” is now worth precisely fuck all thanks to the harping of the opposition parties and the anti-democratic mutterings of the right wing press.

      Good job. if your main purpose is to keep Scotland poor.

    155. Iain More says:

      Torcuil – proof that Tories fuck buffaloes!

    156. Cuilean says:

      Rather say ‘Self-Righteous’ Saboteurs who delight in all and every woe visited upon Scotland.

      Their hypocrisy minds me on Robert Burns’ Holy Willie’s Prayer:~

      “O Lord my God! that glib-tongu’d Sturgeon,
      My vera heart an’ flesh are quakin,
      To think how we stood sweatin, shakin,
      An’ pish’d wi’ dread,
      While she, wi’ hingin lip an’ snakin,
      Held up her head.

      Lord, in Thy day o’ vengeance try her,
      Lord, visit them wha did employ her,
      And pass not in Thy mercy by them,
      Nor hear their pray’r,
      But for Thy people’s sake destroy them,
      An’ dinna spare.

      But, Lord, remember me an’ mine
      Wi’ mercies temporal and divine,
      That I for grace an’ gear may shine,
      Excell’d by nane,
      And a’ the glory shall be Thine,
      Amen, Amen!”

    157. yesindyref2 says:

      That made me laugh. Yes, it would take the Unionists completely off guard, they’d be spluttering in their cups. It might be technically feasible all the same.

    158. heedtracker says:

      Chess man.

      I’m learning German too. Its the language of love and really fun to shout, for some reason.

      Gina Miller in the FT. Its not just in Scotland that planet toryboy is a historic catastrofuck.

      Gina Miller: Brexit will be ‘a disaster’ for UK funds
      Fund manager’s lawsuit forces parliamentary vote on UK government plans to leave EU

      Ms Miller, who said she has received repeated threats to her safety since the court ruling last week, believes UK-based asset managers will lose their treasured passporting rights, which allow asset managers and other financial companies to sell services across the EU with ease.

      “Those rights will go for sure. International players will leave as a result,” said the fund manager, who revealed some newspapers had approached the police on her behalf following threats made to her online. Ms Miller has been accused of derailing British democracy after her Brexit victory in the High Court.”

      Me again, throughout ref 1, Project Fear kept raging away at Scots that we’d lose the City economic powerhouse, same powerhouse that earns the money and then sends it up to their Scotland region, for niceness.

    159. heedtracker says:


      “We know that people on low incomes were more likely to vote to leave the European Union, as were areas with low employment rates. UK economic policy has just not given enough people, enough grounds for hope.”

      Its close the same YES demographics 2014. Add the shire tory 10% roughly in England and Leave wins. If she’s right.

    160. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I can only type, “Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug is voller Aale”.

      That’s all I’ve got to type on the subject.

    161. g.nicholson says:

      glackin must feed off his hatred of the Scottish National Party
      when he crawls out of his crypt after midnight,but to destroy a
      country’s economy is lower than low and that goes for his yoon friends.Nae Empire anymore hacks.

    162. HandandShrimp says:

      I am somewhat suspicious of the notion that the Chinese would call the fuss by the media and opposition parties over the original MOU “The Scottish Shambles”. That sounds like something journalists would come up with in a London pub. I am not sure their is an alliterative equivalent in Chinese.

      However, the Scottish Government abided by the terms of the MOU so if the Chinese are describing anyone as a shambles it is the opposition in Holyrood. So Murdo Fraser yes, you are an embarrassment. An embarrassment that is quite happy for your party to crawl to the Chinese Government over upsetting them over Hinkley but objects to Chinese investment in Scotland. Do down Scotland at every turn is the motto of the Unionist politicians.

      We would need our heads testing letting these clowns anywhere near power in Scotland.

    163. Thepnr says:


      Slippery buggers them eh! LOL

    164. Sunniva says:

      The Chinese don’t understand why western governments can’t control the media.

    165. Artyhetty says:

      You know, the likes of Peter can gtf fas as I am concerned.

      We must share everywhere and with as many as possible, just exactly what the unionists have done to their own country. They have deliberately, totally destroyed what was the potential to grow Scotland’s economy, and improve infrastructure. Utterly criminal actions on their part.

      Not only that, they are paid a very good wage to obstruct progress and while they are at, to destroy their own country. How criminal is that. It’s as if they are actually enemies of the people of Scotland, just like the tories are enemies of the poor, sick, disabled and vulnerable.

      Can these dreadful, selfish, greedy people in these jobs pretty much by the back door, be locked up after independence!

    166. Artyhetty says:


      Eh? Which planet? Western governments are a dab hand at controlloing the media. They are just better at masking it than the Chinese.

      Folks don’t realise how much they are being lied to and conned by their own government in WM. Job done.

    167. Still Positive. says:

      Was in the bubble of an SNP lunch today in West Dunbartonshire with our MP and 2 MSPs, Rona McKay and Derek McKay. The speeches were wonderful, as you would expect, very funny and self-deprecating, especially from the men.

      They believe we are on our way.

    168. Sunniva says:

      Artyhetty, the UK government can influence the media in certain ways, in ways that will keep the establishment in power, but not in other ways, such as the criticism of Hinkley Point; and the Scottish Government (for it is that of which we speak in relation to the Scottish-Chinese deal) certainly don’t control the media at all – but the Chinese don’t understand that. In any case, from a Chinese point of view, any government which can’t control its media is a weak government which cannot be trusted to deliver. They have no interest in, or sympathy for, a government which can’t control its media.

    169. Lochside says:

      It’s funny how Glaiket and co. can spin this as ‘hypocrisy’, after all it’s only a Memorandum of Understanding…i.e. a vague promise. Yet the real hypocrites are he and Tortured Crichton et al that hail a very similar ‘deal’ for 8 warships on the Clyde, one that has no signature committing to it, only Michael Fallon being prompted like a ventriliquist’s dummy to lie about how this will ‘secure ships on the clyde’

      A ‘committment’ that has reduced from 13 promised two years ago down to 8 and will now take 20 years to complete….I wonder if the same opprobrium awaits Mr Fallon when he fails to deliver, as we all he will?

    170. jdman says:


    171. jdman says:

      I REPEAT

    172. Luigi says:

      Congratulations to Ireland for a well-deserved victory over the All Blacks. They came close a (very) few times before, but this is their first success against NZ in 111 years. 🙂

    173. Breeks says:

      You can find good and bad in every people, but many Chinese have a deep mistrust of Europeans, and call us white ghosts in a derogatory kind of way, much the same as we might call them Chinks. They are also deeply resentful of the Japanese due to their conduct in Manchuria. Where the UK has lots of propaganda films about plucky British stiff upper lip beating the Germans, so the Chinese have films about the Japanese. They are also well indoctrinated into the love of their country by their own media, with much of the entertainment coming from military bands from the services or police. It sounds like the stereotypical communist propaganda, but it isn’t so very different from the UK propaganda from Ice Cold in Alex to the Military Tattoos.

      The Chinese however do have a very small soft spot for Scotland, and its thanks to Scotland’s gold medal Olympic runner, Eric Liddell, made famous in the Chariots of Fire film. A devout Christian, Liddell turned his back of fame and celebrity to work as a missionary in China, and stood by the Chinese when Japanese invaded when he could easily have abandoned them and kept himself safe. He was interned in a Japanese internment camp with the Chinese, but worked extraordinarily hard at keeping the camp healthy and decent morale in very difficult circumstances. By all accounts Mr Liddell was a fine gentleman of indefatigable character, and was held in the highest regard by those who knew him. The Chinese children he taught called him uncle Eric. Sadly, Eric Liddell did not survive internment, but died of a brain tumour exacerbated by deprivations and overwork of his circumstances leaving a desperate gap but an honourable legacy in the camp.

      The bottom line is the Chinese have good reason to mistrust the Europeans, especially the colonial British, but through Eric Liddell who stood by them in dire adversity, they also know we are not all the proverbial bad guys.

      I’ve said it before, but trading with China is a double edged sword, and it is very likely the biggest U.K. export to China will be UK wealth and technology. The days when Britain could exploit underdeveloped countries for their resources are long gone. Don’t forget the resourceful Chinese can run communism at a profit, and have no fear of a small faraway nation of shopkeepers. They will see through the bullshit, and know very well that China is a superpower Sitting in the driving seat.

      China will respect Scotland when Scotland respects itself and stands for its own independence.

    174. Ken500 says:

      The farcical sight of May and Fox on a flight to India looking for ‘trade deals’ but coming out of the nearest common market. It is just unbelievable. The plane cost £800,000 a year. May banned Indian students. India reciprocated by now needing visa’s for entering Indian waters, affecting trade and commerce.

      The Tories and the 8 boats in twenty years. Thatcher shut down commerce on the Clyde because of Faslane. The Oil & Gas sector taxed at 40% and losing thousands of jobs. Then importing Oil and untaxed fracked Gas from the US. The Tories cut tax for the wealthiest and sanctioned the vulnerable. Cameron/Blair/Farague should be put in jail. Total lying crooks.

      The farce continues. The only way out of the Brexit mess is to have a GE and the Tories to lose. Westminster/Unionist Illegal wars, banking fraud and tax evasion. The UK the most unequal place in the world. Westminster/Unionists caused the migration crisis in Europe. France, UK/US caused the migration crisis into Europe, bombing the Middle East. While they refuse to take any refugees, other countries have to deal with the crisis.

      More SNP commentaters on the MSM. They are the only ones who speak any sense, with exception.

      Vote SNP/SNP 2017. Vote for Independence.

    175. Ken500 says:

      The Opium War (Britain) and Japanese aggression. 1930 to 1945. Japanese occupied Manchuria.

    176. Smallaxe says:


      Thank you for the links,Good morning,kettle on.

      Peace Always x

    177. Bill McLean says:

      The Chinese, unlike our betters south of the border, are far too polite to use such terminology. You may have noticed that the foul Express sub headline is “a Scottish shambles” while the terrible Times is “Shambolic Scots” – someone has slipped up there. This fascist, racist terminology from British nationalist is becoming hysterical and dangerous. By the way alliteration of the type very typical of mad British journalism but impossible in Gwoyeu (Chinese national langage – mandarin). We must get away from the clowns before they completely lose touch with reality!

    178. heedtracker says:

      Scotland this morning will freeze the balls off a brass monkey, a British brass monkey! But the UKOK Britnats can always provide a good larf:D

      Scotland In Union ?@scotlandlnUnion 14h14 hours ago
      Beloved British author and philanthropist, JK Rowling was born on this day in Gloucestershire, Britain. She now lives in Edinburgh, Britain.

    179. Nana says:

      Good morning Smallaxe.

      Brr its a cold morning up here, my dog doesn’t want to go out.

      News is basically all about brexit, I’m starting to forget what life was like before the tory monsters ruined everything.

    180. Grouse Beater says:

      Heedtracker: “JK Rowling was born on this day in Gloucestershire, Britain. She now lives in Edinburgh.”

      I sent her this for her birthday:

      Happy Birthday JK!

    181. heedtracker says:

      From ridiculous tory amateurs,

      Scotland In Union ?@scotlandlnUnion 20h20 hours ago
      Congratulations to Briton Andy Murray, the first British world tennis Number 1.
      Andy was born in 1987 in Dunblane, Britain.

      to the pros,

      The rise and rise of fake news
      By BBC Trending
      What’s popular and why

      The deliberate making up of news stories to fool or entertain is nothing new. But the arrival of social media has meant real and fictional stories are now presented in such a similar way that it can sometimes be difficult to tell the two apart.”

      And no by-line either, shock.

      That’s enough Britnat tory jibber jabber for a couple of hours.

    182. jdman says:

      ” She now lives in Edinburgh, Britain.”
      Sorry to spoil it for you but its a parody account Heedtracker. 🙂

    183. Smallaxe says:


      Brexit,will they,wont they,will the Court stop them,will Parliament?

      I wonder if it’s a distraction from whatever creepy things that they are doing in the background!

      Peace Always

    184. Peter says:

      yesindyref2 says:

      Ah, I see you haven’t read the MoU. Here you go:

      Thank you.this is a normal addition to ensure courtesy before publishing anything.

      It doesn’t answer my question as to why the SG would not want to make this announcement public.

      Something strange here?

    185. Bill McLean says:

      It’s highly unlikely that the Chines, who are extremely polite unlike our betters down south, would make such a comment.It is revealing that the foul Express sub-headline is “a Scottish shambles” and the dreadful Times is “”shambolic” Scots”” – someone slipped up there. Any Chinese statement would have been made in Gwoyeu (national language – mandarin to us) and there is no possibility of such language being used – this juvenile alliteration is the work of hyper nationalist British so-called journalists.

    186. Macart says:


      … its a HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Wings today! 🙂

      Five years old and still going strong.

    187. Les Wilson says:

      Well, early EBCs have yet another FOI to bash our police and the SNP with,they soo love their FOI’s don’t they.

      Apparently a number of unused or under used local police stations
      may be closed.
      The viability of 50 or so around the country are being considered, with no decisions made. Some are empty, some barely used, but we will note the hype and the anti SNP line as usual. They are very noticeable traits with anything they can use as a negative against us.

      So I expect as usual it will be another hay day on Kaye this morning, with a propaganda twinge and the usual suspects given
      extensive air time. They are very obvious in their desperate
      needs to downgrade anything Scottish.

    188. Les Wilson says:

      Macart says:

      5 years already? does’nt seem so long ago when I was following a small blog, well before Wings was upgraded to what it is now.
      Well done Stu, power to you.

    189. Peter says:

      @lenny hartley

      I used the word “deal” in the samw way that Stu used the word in his original piece.

    190. Les Wilson says:

      Stu, it would be nice to see a wee graph of your stats from start of this site to now.I am sure that would show how valuable Wings has become to our aspirations.

    191. Bill McLean says:

      Breeks – the Chinese term for Westerners is “foreign devils” (Yang Guizi)and who could blame them. Think it came about at the time of the opium wars – you know when the Brits were forcing them to take opium to make them compliant. What did the force us with? Bullshit!

    192. fionan says:

      OT Ronnie, re the honking dog. See my article in iScot November 2015 on gut bacteria. The farting usually indicates an imbalance of gut bacteria, with the sulphur-producing varieties overwhelming other types.

      Remove fats and refined sugars from the diet and feed live yoghurt. This should cure the problem within a couple of weeks, and the stench should decrease within a day or two. If he doesn’t much enjoy yoghurt, mix it with something like sardines – although they are oily fish, they don’t seem to interfere but remove excess oil or brine first and don’t give the tomato sauce plastered fish.

      Ex-racing greyhounds often suffer the gas problem when they enter foster or adoptive homes and this is a tried and tested cure for them.

      This works for humans also, although I wouldn’t suggest a diet of kibble 😉

    193. Famous15£ says:

      If only one person per week calls at a police station to complain about dog fouling,can we really afford such awaste of money.

      In the seventies when a number of Burgh police stations were being considered for closure the Tories were up iin arms but cynically police used to joke because of staff shortages “Send the police station to the pub to stop the fight”

    194. Dorothy Devine says:

      OOH! Happy Birthday Wings and many , many more! I remember your birth as if it was yesterday and feel better for it in so many ways.

      Big Thanks!

    195. Bob Mack says:

      My great aunt who was the daughter of the Dutch ambassador during the war in the Far East advised never to take a favour from the Chinese. Apparently they do not do favours. They will at some point ask for a return of the service they gave to you whether it be one or twenty years ago. Inscrutable right enough.

      She and her family spent all their life in the Orient and I have no reason to disbelieve her.

      However,she did remark that in terms of business and deals they were sharp but reliable.

    196. Bob Mack says:

      Many Happy Returns to the BEST site on the Internet.

      Hopefully one day Wings and its creator will have the recognition they deserve from the people of Scotland. The most honest publication anywhere.

    197. carjamtic says:

      Happy Birthday Wings 🙂

      Another cracking article,everyday is a school day on here,I am indebted to the Rev. (and the BTL posters).

      I am seriously considering becoming a paid up member of the SNP,the only party I trust,they do what they say on the tin,alway’s looking out for Scotland’s best interest’s,always positive and in NS they have a truly great leader.

      (lots of respect for JS as well,the way Westminster tried to ‘do’ Scotland,is not easily forgotten,well done that man)

    198. Ken500 says:

      The Police ‘charge’ people with ‘offences’ that can never come to Court. Put them in cells overnight. 50% of ‘charges’? Is it to put the arrest rate up? Banning Orange Marches would cut Police costs. They might get a week end off.

      The Police need more training on Scottish Law and additional needs. Minimum pricing will reduce Police costs. Along with ‘one chance’ total abstinence proper counselling rehab. It is cheaper than prison. The majority of crime is committed while under the influence of drink and drugs. ‘Drinks in the wit’s out’. Crime rates are still falling. Demographics. Most violent crime is committed by (16) 18 to 24 year old males. Falling birth rate. There are less as a percentage of the population.

      Crime is another topic the MSM exaggerate. Statistically it is really low. Internet/banking fraud is on the increase.

      Farague – ‘There will be riots in England’. There will be riots in England when Article 50 is triggered and the price of bread, milk and potatoes doubles. CAP reduced.

    199. DerekM says:

      wow 5 years happy birthday Wings 🙂

      Who would have thought it,vile frankly lol

    200. Flower of Scotland says:

      Agree Bob Mack!

      Happy Birthday Wings. Certainly the best blog for Scottish people.There is never a day goes by when I don’t read Wings and follow the comments. I don’t comment very much, but I paste and copy lots of great pieces to inform others and keep for myself for reference.

      “Lang may your lum reek” Stu, as we say.

    201. Ken500 says:

      The Chinese trade and honour agreements totally. That is why they are so successful in trade. They produce the goods at the price quoted on time. It is a matter of honour.

      It is other Governments who make unsuccessful trade deals. The Tories have handed over £Billions of tax payers money on Hinkley Point and HS2. A total waste of money with no business case with more credible alternatives. It certainly benefits the Chinese, the Tories and their associates. Squandering taxpayers money. The Tories have paid double.

    202. Breastplate says:

      I wish Wings many happy returns.

    203. Breastplate says:

      C’mon Peter, stop mucking about, just tell us why Scotland shouldn’t be independent.
      You know you want to.

    204. Robert Peffers says:

      @Sunniva says: 7 November, 2016 at 2:31 am:

      ” … the UK government can influence the media in certain ways,


      They not only can but do, not only influence but actually prevent certain news items. They use “D”, notices that they officially say this :-

      about; but then, they would say that, would they not?

    205. Andrew McLean says:

      I notice a lot of commentators regard this as a special deal between China and Scotland, however that was just the teeniest piece of the overall commercial expansionist planning of the Chinese government, wishing to invest in Europe under their “One Belt One Road” strategy.

      As part of that policy the Chinese government investments’ abroad are massive, amounting to $870 billion at the end of 2014, according to data released by the Heritage Foundation with expansion planned worldwide to reach nearly $20 trillion by 2020.

      Hinckley point being built by the French Government and financed by the Chinese government in England, will soon also have a sister plant, this time built and financed solely by the Chinese government. Imagine for one second the outrage if the Scottish government wanted a Chinese investment in decommissioning a Scottish plant? Now ask yourselves why the Chinese think Scotland to much trouble.

      Worth restating that the Scottish Government stated the memorandum “is intended as a statement of intent and a platform to share confidential information, not a binding legal agreement”. whereas Westminster has signed a legal binding agreement for billions of investment.

      Also worth stating the section of the MOU regarding publicity “Each party may make public reference to the existence of this MOU as it thinks relevant and appropriate, provided that each party will obtain the approval of the other parties for the contents of any press release relating to the terms of this MOU prior to issue of such press release. Now given the date of the understanding and the freedom of information request by the BBC was only a matter of days, the BBC must have been briefed by “Other Interested Parties” to the contents of the memorandum.

      Another salient point is the Chinese are pretty adept at looking at other countries emails and secret communications, Mrs May hasn’t sole patent on that technology. So it is indeed ironic that Europe in particular has welcomed the Chinese largess with open arms, especially in the wake of the global financial crisis and sluggish euro zone economic growth. But Scottish politicians and press in their blinkered political narrow-mindedness and financial, ignorance and incompetence could have scuppered any future chance in financial investment by what is and will continue to be the largest financial investor in the world.

      Using unbelievably the excuse that Norway have an ethical wealth fun (we can’t because we have given ours to Westminster), well there is plenty of ethical wealth funds, I wonder how many MSP, or journalists’ have invested in them? now that’s a good question!!!

      But as other governments including the Westminster one, have realised that Chinese investment would also require a change in attitude from recipient markets and their politicians to take full advantage of the opportunities and contain the risks, we are blessed with the financial ineptitude of the Scottish Unionists, whereas in Europe and America, characteristics such as the size, growth and complexity of the Chinese government’s economic offering have not hindered them in the least, regardless of their lack of openness to foreign direct investment.

      Had I been involved in any “Heads of Agreement” with another company, then found those discussions supposedly confidential were being openly discussed by “Other Interested Parties” in such a way as to maximise any damage to either the agreement or subsequent contracts, a curt missive informing the other company to take a hike would land in their in tray faster than Ruth Davidson can mount a beast.

      My Final point regards the actual instrument used by the Chinese government, that is the Railway company 3, it is a part of the Chinese government, think of it like a window cleaner, to keep it simple, getting an order from the Tax office to clean the windows, you can’t say you won’t take the order from the pensions office on the grounds that you dislike the Conservative Government of Mrs May, but that is the ridiculous argument put forward by the opponents of this MOU. They would destroy Scotland rather than say well done Scottish government officials who brokered the deal, incidentally the same officials who would do so regardless of the party in office. As have the civil service officials in Westminster when they brokered the actual Chinese investment deals worth 10 times what the MOU proposed.

    206. Robert Peffers says:

      @Bill McLean says: 7 November, 2016 at 7:57 am:

      “We must get away from the clowns before they completely lose touch with reality!”

      Where have you been, Bill? It is far too late that as they lost touch with reality some years ago.

    207. Andrew McLean says:

      Meanwhile our neighbours in England get billions, Scotland gets frozen out.
      Makes you proud eh “Scotland in Union” actually shouldn’t that be “Union In Scotland”?

      That is a Westminster government site, I posted. Can Union in Scotland provide a rebuttal, eh Peter, though you are correct something is very fishy today in Scotland.

    208. Proud Cybernat says:

      @ Peter

      C’mon Peter. Tell us all why the UK is the greatest, bestest, most fantasticsome, orgasmical Union in the whole of the known Universe EVER. We’re all ears. Really. Or is it just ’cause it has a nice, pwetty flag with lots of crosses n stuff. You know – the one known around the world as ‘The Butcher’s Apron’.

      Oh, and you might like this:

      ‘Rood Almighty – The Most Powerfull Parliament in the Known Universe – EVER’

    209. Robert Peffers says:

      @heedtracker says: 7 November, 2016 at 7:58 am:

      ” … Beloved British author and philanthropist, JK Rowling was born on this day in Gloucestershire, Britain. She now lives in Edinburgh, Britain.”

      Wad yon, “Gloucestershire”, airt mibbies be in the United Kingdom pairt o Britain, Heedtracker?

      Mibbies even in the Great Britain pairt o Britain?

      Ah divna think it’s in the non-United Kingdom pairt o Britain kiz that wad pit it in anither, different, Kintra a’thegither frae the Inglis pairts o baith Great Britain an the United Kingdom o Great Britain an Northern Ireland.

      Mind ye, heedtracker, thone Inglis gadgies disna ken ower muckle aboot thir ain airts an pairts an naythin ave aboot ither folks airts an pairts.

    210. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      While we’re on the subject of shambles.

      Here’s another UKOK Shambles:

      “U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May clashed with her Indian counterpart Narendra Modi over migration rules and failed to arrange a meeting with senior figures at Tata Group in a double blow to her three-day visit to India.”

      “May told reporters she was unable to arrange a meeting with senior figures at Tata.”

      “I had hoped to meet the key people from Tata while I was in India,” May said on Sunday at the start of her trip. “Sadly, the schedules don’t allow for me to do that on this particular visit but there are regular contacts between the government and Tata Steel.”

      Aye, right “schedules clashed”.

      Brexit (Not so great) Britain getting put in its place again.

      The arrogant Imperialist UKOK now getting it back in spades from her former colonies.

      Don’t worry though MSM/BBC will tidy it up before reporting ‘successful vist by May’ to us plebs though.

    211. Proud Cybernat says:

      …oh, and Peter, this one’s just for you:

      Now THINK about it.

    212. Meg merrilees says:


      Did anyone hear the 10.00 news headlines on radio?
      TM may fast track triggering of Art. 50…

      Second item re TM visit to India.
      Was interested to hear the Indian Government spokesman say that of course, since India has a trade deal with the EU it will not be able to make any trade deals with the British Government until it leaves the EU.

    213. Robert Peffers says:

      @Nana says: 7 November, 2016 at 8:10 am:

      ” … I’m starting to forget what life was like before the tory monsters ruined everything.”

      Jings! Nana Smith, ye canna bi that auld or ye wad hae got a telegram frae the late King George VI wha wis, (frae Wiki),

      “King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Commonwealth from 11 December 1936 until his death. He was the last Emperor of India and the first Head of the Commonwealth.”


    214. Big Jock says:

      It’s good to know that when indi ref 2 comes along, we are going to get project Smear. I think they can’t use fear anymore, as they did that and Brexit destroys credibility.

      Smear campaigns tend to be counter productive from the ministry of misinformation aka British Media!

    215. Proud Cybernat says:

      Oh, and whatever you do, Peter, make sure you don’t ever remove your BritNat shades – you might not like what you see:

    216. Meg merrilees says:

      10.00 new bulletin BBC Radio 4

      “Ministers say that TM may fast track any commons vote on triggering Art.50 to avoid having to introduce any legislation. Ministers are fearful that the introduction of such legislation could delay the Mrs. May’s timetable for Brexit and enable MP’s to table numerous critical amendments. This, it’s argued, might tie the PM’s hands in forthcoming negotiations with the EU.
      While the government is hopeful the Supreme Court will overturn the ruling in the High Court last week, they are now considering ditching plans for legislation to begin the Brexit process and instead having a ‘one-off’ vote in Parliament. This could be done in a day and gives less scope for MP’s to table damaging amendments. It is though a high risk strategy and could prompt another legal challenge, delaying even further, TM’s plans for Brexit”

    217. Ken500 says:

      The no of Indian students in the UK has fallen 10% from 11,000 to 10,000. There are twice as many students from the US. There are 80,000 Chinese students. Teresa May can go around the world, lying and insulting other nations. Will the Tories be blocking US and Chinese students. The Tories are trying to ruin the world economy.

      Giving Oxbridge preferential funding. Giving Oxbridge, Bath and Imperial foreign student preferential visas.

    218. heedtracker says:

      Robert Peffers says:
      7 November, 2016 at 10:53 am
      @heedtracker says: 7 November, 2016 at 7:58 am:

      ” … Beloved British author and philanthropist, JK Rowling was born on this day in Gloucestershire, Britain. She now lives in Edinburgh, Britain.”

      Wad yon, “Gloucestershire”, airt mibbies be in the United Kingdom pairt o Britain, Heedtracker?

      Frightfully sorry old bean but one’s going to have ask the services of Jockanese Wind Talker here.

      Other news of they yoons, filthy rich hard core conservative boosts actual real live socialist, shock. Only in America though. TeamGB gets red tory, and must be Britnat, or else, get spell cast on you.

      J.K. Rowling Retweeted
      Bernie Sanders ?@BernieSanders Nov 5
      If you sit this election out and Trump wins by a few votes, many people are going to be dealing with that reality for their entire lives.

      Could be a parody too though.

    219. Macart says:

      I see the Herald is jumping on the bandwagon.

      Why no official release bollox? Not so surprising when you think about it.

      How does it sound to the rest of the world when you advertise this: Our political and media environment is so hostile, your potential inward investment may be put at risk. Its so bad in fact, that we’ve already managed to put off one potential investor, but come aboard anyway.

      Mibbies me, but I recall that the UK was supposedly open for business. That the UK government had urged the Scottish parliament to make the best of the opportunities Brexit afforded in the world market. That the order of the day was NOT to frighten the horses and get out there to encourage inward investment.

      The memo apparently didn’t reach the local branch managers or the wider press it seems. Or, if it did, they simply weren’t listening. They’ve spent the months since this MoU was first mentioned trying to tear the SNP and it apart in no particular order. That’s what the assault has always been about. Doesn’t matter that UK gov have been brokering deals with the same folk and far, FAR worse in their day. Its about preventing the Scottish Government from brokering deals on its own and damaging the credibility of the SNP in government. That potential investment and jobs are lost is no great shakes. This IS after all… politics as it is practised.

      So no, I don’t think it so surprising really. I’d be black affronted to readily advertise that to the rest of the planet too right about now.

      So are we aspiring to statehood and statecraft or what?

    220. heedtracker says:

      China’s the sweat shop of the world. Its got rich by exploiting hundreds of millions of slave wage Chinese, children included. An iphone costs $10 to make in China.

      ” Chinese term for Westerners is “foreign devils” (Yang Guizi)and who could blame them.”

      Westerners cant be so bad that there are half million Chinese what have immigrated to the UK so far.

      Also, its becoming more and more likely that China and the US may go to war soon though. UK will no doubt pile in too, as special relationship blossoms with Pres Trump and barking mad tory boy Brexit UK.

    221. Andrew McLean says:

      Proud Cybernat says:11:13

      Are we playing odd one out?

      Is the correct answer the Queen, as all the others became Nazi lovers, and despite attempts at indoctrination by her family,as shown by that photograph, the queen did not?

      Whats my prise?

    222. Jack Murphy says:

      Re the UK leaving Europe.BREXIT.
      For weeks now the BBC London based broadcaster,when bringing in politicians to comment in their Main News Bulletins hardly ever include an MP from the House of Commons third largest party!
      Sidelined by design from the State Broadcaster.

      They bring in Tories,Labour,Nigel Farage and even the tiny Westminster LibDems!
      Welcome to this Bettertogether UKOK Club.

      SHAME on both your houses,in London and in Scotland.
      Enough is enough.

    223. Brian Powell says:


      I guess Oxbridge, Bath and Imperial College will be refusing those privileges in solidarity with the other Universities which will be left to scrabble for funding.

      Erm, just kidding.

    224. heedtracker says:

      Macart says:
      7 November, 2016 at 11:24 am
      I see the Herald is jumping on the bandwagon

      Willie piles in with Amnesty International. Its like a yoon madhouse out there. How come Amnesty International don’t get a mention in England, on China’s “ethical investment” Hinkley nuke power station, what they’re paying for? etc

      “Willie Rennie, the leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, called on the Scottish Government to make an urgent statement to Holyrood about the deal. He said: “They must explain what lessons they have learned from this sorry episode and what new arrangements will be put in place to attract ethical investment for Scotland.

      “If anyone should be ashamed it should be the Scottish Government. Throughout this whole process groups such as Amnesty International and Transparency International expressed concerns but the SNP covered their ears and ploughed on regardless. The showed a casual disregard for human rights.”

      Imagine a parallel yooniverse Scotland, with twits like Rennnie as First Minster, and Queen JK Rowling too:D

    225. Undeadshaun says:

      Looks like workers rights will be another brexit casualty …

      “Prime minister repeatedly attacked Labour for signing up to EU social chapter that includes part-time workers’ directive”

    226. orri says:

      The lesson is obviously that the opposition parties in Holyrood are so determined to oppose the SNP that they will scupper any attempt at generating wealth in Scotland. It’s economic sabotage and their doing it deliberately.

    227. carjamtic at 9.38

      I hope you mean the right JS, not the one that farts in the car all the time

    228. Macart says:


      Willie’s no just the greatest thinker heed. I’d be struggling to think of major trading blocks that don’t have human rights issues, skeletons in closets, or are otherwise bad bastirts. Don’t recall Willie having too many goes at Westminster government for dealing with China, India, Saudi etc? But then why would we expect balance or a lack of hypocrisy from thone wee snotter?

      World trade and statecraft however means dealing with trading blocks. Sometimes to do business. Sometimes to end a trade link as a mark of protest. Part and parcel of dealing with the world directly rather than through another party. The only question of importance is, do feel grown up enough, confident enough to deal with folks face to face?

    229. Fred says:

      An excellent & very worrying article in todays National by George Kerevan anent US nuclear weapons stored in a Turkish airfield not a million miles from Daesh/Kurdish war-zone, some have apparently been moved to Romania to threaten Russia so frying-pans & fires spring readily to mind.

    230. yesindyref2 says:

      LOL. Well, since you’re somewhat more polite than my dismissive “Glad to help”, I’m kind of duty bound to try to give a more detailed attempt at explanation.

      The MoU was signed 21st March, Holyrood dissolved 24th March, but the election period purdah started at midnight on 23 March 2016. After that time no official government policy is supposed to be announced, or it breaks purdah.

      So the only time the MoU could have been announced to Parliament was the 22nd or 23rd March.

      But that “gagging clause” could arguably be restrictive on the Scottish Government so soon – within 2 days – of the actual signing, as the Chinese parties might want to announce it to their shareholders etc. That would be a genuine reason for not making a public announcement, even to parliament, over those 2 days.

      Very shortly after CR3 “leaked” the information and the row blew up. Some would say grossly overdone with a total lack of discretion or care about the potential £10 billion investment, by the opposition and the anti-SNP press. I’d be one!

    231. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      May saying “UK & India have signed a new ‘Program of Cooperation'”.

      No doubt the same ar*eholes in the above piece will say this is a great thing for ‘Brexit Britain and her Scotland region’

      Will Wee Wullie Fib Dem, ask the FM to question May on what arrangements will be put in place to ensure this is ethical investment for UKOK & Scotland?

      Fib Dems, becoming more hypocritical and irrelevant by the day.

    232. Andrew McLean says:

      If you and your business are interested in sourcing prestigious brands, quality products and world-leading services from the UK, or joining other leading Chinese businesses in setting up or expanding your business in the UK, you can benefit from the services offered by UKTI’s team in China and its extensive network of specialists in the UK. Contact us at and follow us on Weibo @????????

      Except for viewers in Scotland who have their own program courtesy of “Union in Scotland”.

    233. McBoxheid says:

      Scots, wha hae wi’ Samond bled,
      Scots, wham Sturgeon’s aften led,
      Welcome to your gory bed,
      Ruled by the Tory!

      Now’s the day, and now’s the hour;
      See the front o’ battle lour;
      See approach proud Tory power-
      Chains ans slavarie!

      Wha will be a ("Tractor" - Ed) knave?
      Wha can fill a coward’s grave?
      Wha sae base as be a slave?
      Let him write for the unionist press!

      Wha, for Scotland’s sovereign law,
      Freedom’s word will strongly ca’,
      Freeman stand or freeman fa’,
      Let him on wi’ me!

      By Oppression’s woes and pains!
      By your sons in servile chains!
      We will drain our dearest veins,
      But they shall be free!

      Lay the proud usurpers low!
      Tyrants fall in every foe!
      Liberty in every blow!-
      Let’s win back our country!

      Like Stuart, we must out these ("Tractor" - Ed)s in every gathering, at every chance we get, until we are free.

      My apologies to the Immortal Bard, but I think he would approve!

    234. K1 says:

      Peter’s first comment on this thread:

      Peter says:
      6 November, 2016 at 10:03 pm
      As usual, Stu doesn’t tell you the whole story.
      Why was the deal not announced by the SNP in the first place?
      Why was the cancellation of the deal not announced?
      Something fishy?

      Others replied to you saying the same thing but yesindyref2 is who you are choosing to respond to stated:

      yesindyref2 says:
      6 November, 2016 at 10:28 pm
      Ah, I see you haven’t read the MoU. Here you go:

      Each party may make public reference to the existence of this MOU as it thinks relevant and appropriate, provided that each party will obtain the approval of the other parties for the contents of any press release relating to the terms of this MOU prior to issue of such press release.
      The whole MOU may be subject to release in the event of a request for information made under the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002”

      See? Scot Gov could say nothing without agreement from both sides. But there was a lead from CR3.

      Glad to help.

      Your response:

      Peter says:
      7 November, 2016 at 8:20 am
      yesindyref2 says:

      Ah, I see you haven’t read the MoU. Here you go:

      Thank you.this is a normal addition to ensure courtesy before publishing anything.

      It doesn’t answer my question as to why the SG would not want to make this announcement public.

      Something strange here?

      Look Peter there was no ‘deal’. Now elaborate on what ‘you’ think this something fishy and strange ‘is’?

      The suspense is fucking killing me. You are coming across ‘creepy’. Spit it out.

      (btw are you fae Edinburgh?)

    235. Ken500 says:

      Most countries do not let tax evading Non Doms own the Press.

      That is why Murdoch became a US citizen in 1985, after living there since 1973. He would not have been able to aquire US TV acquisitions. Murdoch breaks US Law by bribing public officials in the UK.

      Without a free and balanced Press there is no democracy.

    236. Muscleguy says:

      @Connor McEwen

      Hands off The Unicorn (HMS Unicorn) but the idea of basing the Scottish Central bank here in Dundee instead of Auld Reekie is interesting I’m not sure how convertible the currency will be. Also despite being a ship that sits in water in a navigable dock it has no masts to propel it so its portability is low and limited to ports.

    237. Ken500 says:

      ‘Amnesty International’ is funded by George Soros.

    238. Robert Peffers says:

      What has become more than abundantly clear is that those who are supportive of, “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”, are, without reasonable doubt, the most poorly educated people on the entire planet known as Earth.

      Among that main category, there are, of course, several sub-categories. Perhaps the largest sub-group are the common people who comprise the vast majority of those who support the United Kingdom. However, we can hardly blame the Hoi Polloi as they are subjected to those they, (the Hoi Polloi), consider to be their betters and their masters for it is they, (their masters), who also regulate the educational establishments that teach the Hoi Polloi what really is laughingly called, “The English Language”.

      Whether it be by design or for the duel purposes of, political expediency or just plain old political propaganda these educators have failed to teach the Hoi Polloi their own native language. Most of them now do actually speak English like a native – That is a Native of the Planet Zog.

      The present furore drummed up by the totally ignorant Main-Stream Media is only the latest in a long line of English Language idiocies that expose those who hilariously claim to be Journalists but who, in reality, could hardly even be regarded as cub-reporters who make no attempt to even properly report any news whatsoever.

      The present drummed up idiocy is that the Scottish Government’s agreement with the Chinese was anything more than a, “Memorandum of Understanding”, that in no way could be reasonably considered as a, “Deal”, “Contract”, or, “Treaty”, of any sort.

      The thing is that these people are speaking, writing and reading a language that bears only a passing resemblance to the actual English language in that it uses, more or less, English Language words and roughly English Language Grammar and punctuation.

      The problem is that their language not only invents semi-pseudo-English, i.e. “Brexit”, that not only makes the idiotic error that all, “Britain”, and not only, “The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland”, is intending to leave the EU but it misinterprets actual English Language words.

      Whether this be by design, intent to mislead. of just pure ignorance I must leave up to Wingers to decide for themselves.

      Let us consider the more obvious examples.

      They speak of, “Britain”, but interpret that as being only, “The United Kingdom of Britain & Northern Ireland”, part of Britain.

      They then compound that error by the liberal use of the geographic term, “Great Britain”, to also mean either, “Britain”, “Great Britain”, and, “The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland. Then, to confuse the matter even further, they interpret the term, “Kingdom”, as being synonymous with their other misunderstood terms and compound that by also interpreting any of the former terms with, “The Country”, “The Whole Country”, and, believe it or not, even equating all the previous misinterpretations with, “England”, (Whether that be, “England”, the country, or, “England”, the kingdom is never made clear.

      There are many, many more examples to be found throughout the media every hour of the day. Is it any wonder the Hoi Polloi are utterly fooled and confused when their perceived betters and masters are feeding them this utterly confused garbage every day?

    239. McBoxheid says:

      McBoxheid says:
      7 November, 2016 at 12:24 pm

      Wha will be a (“Tractor” – Ed) knave?
      Wha can fill a coward’s grave?
      Wha sae base as be a slave?
      Let him write for the unionist press!

      WTF? are certain words not allowed to be uttered on WOS?

    240. heedtracker says:

      Macart says:
      7 November, 2016 at 11:54 am

      Willie’s no just the greatest thinker heed.

      Where to start with human rights across the world? Willie’s nonsense just shows how desperate they are to duck away from any involvement in what was primarily their unionist fault.

      A giant investment deal with massive potential for Scotland goes down the drain and its all thanks to the unionists in Scotland.

      Going forward,

      “According to The Sunday Times, the Chinese pulled the plug in August due to the outcry, with a senior insider close to the talks saying the fallout was received “very badly” in the Far East where the episode has become known as “the Scottish shambles”.

      So if this kind of deal crops again and it probably will, does the whole great UKOK unionist media lie machine and blue tory go SNP bad hysterical like this time, or do they ease off a bit?

      Not holding breath. All that matters on planet torboy is getting the SNP out, regardless of the costs. And they can blame the SNP too.

    241. heedtracker says:

      Herald ligger in action. £12 bn gone, its SNP due diligence fail. Not bad for this hack really.

      David Leask ?@LeaskyHT 8m8 minutes ago
      David Leask Retweeted Martyn Yes-September
      It’s British nationalism to report that Scots Govt (understandably) lacks lingo & other skills to do a due diligence on an intl deal.

    242. K1 says:

      Yes Boxheid Traitor is the word that is not allowed on Wings ergo it’s replaced when you type it…but we all read that as ‘t r a i t o r’, so dinnae fash (we’re all subvertives noo) 😉

    243. K1 says:

      Well…apparently not…LOL

    244. Dan Huil says:

      People like like Peter like doing down Scotland. Sad.

    245. heedtracker says:

      Scott Arthur ?@DrScottThinks 1h1 hour ago
      1. SNP do secret China deal.
      2. Press rumbles SNP.
      3. SNP play down deal.
      4. China breaks deal with “shambolic” SNP.
      5. SNP blames Labour.

      Is this how it really all went pear shaped in red tory world? Interesting display of how the red tories operate though.

      What would SLab unionists like Dr NO! call it? Realpolitik SLabour style maybe. Say anything to anyone. Its all backed up 100% on tv and newsprint.

    246. Robert Peffers says:

      @K1 says: 7 November, 2016 at 1:17 pm:

      >i>”Well…apparently not…LOL”

      Exactly, K1, Some of us may even, occasionally, call them, “agricultural traction units” but we do indeed all know exactly what they really are.

      I’m glad you too had a good laugh out of the matter for the only other alternative is despair, depression and bitter tears.

    247. K1 says:

      Wee bit o cross post confusion happening there Robert. Ah laughed out loud at the obvious point that ah made regarding the word ‘("Tractor" - Ed)’ being ‘filtered’ on Wings on ma comment tae Boxheid. The very thing ah asserted came undone in the very comment asserting this was the case!

    248. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      The problem @ heedtracker says at 2:14 pm with Dr Scott Ars*hole is that he doesn’t think (despite what his moniker says).

      Let me put it like this:

      Aberdeenshire Council had 2 By-Elections last week (I know you know this as I’ve see your posts but gies a minute to explain my point).

      Ward 1 (Banff and District):

      Fib Dems got 526 votes
      The SNP got 962 and
      The Tories got 1170 and won the seat.
      BLiS didn’t/couldn’t stand a candidate

      Ward 11 (Inverurie and District):

      Fib Dems got 755 votes
      The SNP got 1,164 votes
      BLiS got 139
      The Tories got 1,302 and won the seat.

      Kezia was in the ‘states during the final few days of campaigning, but The Ruthenfuhrer made an unannounced appearance in Inverurie.

      Turnout was low and The Neo-Facist Voice of The North were full on monstering the SNP/SG while bigging up the Ruth Davidson ‘No Surrender to Referendums’ Party.

      Even so the total number of votes BLiS got was 139 across 2 by-elections!!

      This despite numerous “listening exercises” conducted by BLiS to find out why voters are continuing to abandon their party in droves.

      Dr Scott Ars*hole (Who’s doesn’t think but claims to) then says that the SNP are blaming BLiS for this “secret China deal” failing, and in doing so defaults to that classic BLiS Party line of SNPBaaaad.

      So “listening exercises” results can’t be being listened to or are asking the wrong questions.

      We Wingers all know Dr Scott Ars*hole is on speed dial to UKOKaye on BBC Pravda a.m. but deep down must know that his ‘analysis’ will not be required once Scotland regains her independence and the MSM down South won’t require his Uncle Tam input.

      Dr Scott Ars*hole (Who doesn’t think but claims to) and his ilk must also be aware that like their beloved BLiS Red Tory Party they have no relevance to a progressive future iScotland.

      And that’s why he is such an angry wee shite because even he must know this as fact even as he types his vile we nonsense tweets and his Labour Hame drivel.

      ‘History will not be kind to Dr Scott Ars*hole’

      I’ll bet these are the thoughts that haunt him in the wee small hours.

      If they don’t then he really is as deluded as his witterings suggest.

    249. K1 says:

      As ye can see Boxheid, it was filtered in ma last comment above but not in ma initial comment tae ye.

      Askimet is a ("Tractor" - Ed)ous filter, much like maist of oor esteemed media…

    250. heedtracker says:

      Jockanese Wind Talker says:
      7 November, 2016 at 3:30 pm
      The problem @ heedtracker says at 2:14 pm with Dr Scott Ars*hole is that he doesn’t think (despite what his moniker says).

      Dr NO! is interesting in that he is so active, ultra unionist and devote faithful SLab, But he really gets around and his stuff is very low info, or no info rather, all backed up by the tory BBC led media.

      He cant miss basically but it must puzzle guys like this, why they do so badly at the actual ballot box. Its maybe like a SLab kamikaze mission. How mental can they get, how stupid do they think we are, nothing to lose now, tide’s always turn, all for one Kez, do or die, the only way is up…

      And he holds down a lecturing job.

      But he really loves the UK, more than anything in the whole wide world, ever.

    251. Meg merrilees says:

      Re the ‘T’ word –

      I submitted an article where ‘tray-tor’ became changed into ‘tractor’ but I wondered if it was my laptop (Apple) that altered it as it has already tried to change this post to read ‘tray- for’

      Interesting article on Yahoo

      Will £1.9billion British warship contract sink Scottish Independence bid?

      Fallon said ” We’re investing in Scotland on the basis that Scotland will be staying in the United Kingdom”.

    252. Thepnr says:

      ”We’re investing in Scotland on the basis that Scotland will be staying in the United Kingdom”.

      The real problem is that they aren’t investing in Scotland at all.

      They have decided to end the subsidies for wind power which is the cheapest source of new power in the UK. Must be true this was said on the BBC today.

      Type 26 frigates £2 Billion, well Scotland has lost out on £10 Billion of North Sea oil contracts in the last five years to overseas companies mainly in the Far East.

      Westminster holds Scotland back and the reason is simple, they can’t afford to let the English see them for what they truly are.

      Absolute liars.

    253. carjamtic says:

      @ Dave McEwan Hill

      Big Bad John ;-))

    254. Smallaxe says:

      I think Dr Scott is an exTRA edITOR.


      Peace Always

    255. Bill McLean says:

      I see “Peter” is performing on Bateman!

    256. Robert Peffers says:

      @K1 re the Tractor thing.

      Anyone who thinks that the Red Tory supporters, (there are a few exceptions), do not know the real score are deluded. It is a bit like supporters of football teams. Their loyalties to the team are strong and, even when their team of choice gets relegated, they will never dream of supporting any other team.

      Now here’s the thing – real supporters of football as a game, rather than supporters of a team, will always find a game somewhere if they cannot follow their chosen team.

      In one case the attraction is the game of football in the other it is blind loyalty to a team.

    257. Thepnr says:

      @Robert Peffers

      Blind being the most accurate description.

    258. K1 says:

      Indeed Robert well put. It’s like loyalty tae anything, I only smoke golden virgnia tobacco for example and simply won’t smoke any other tobacco…but let’s face the ‘actual’ reality; I’d actually smoke the doots left oan the groon ootside the pub if ah hud nae choice an nae money. It’s tobacco I crave, the illusion that that brand is the only one that I ‘would’ smoke is my defence against the compulsion ah find masel’ powerless tae tackle and the comfort it brings me in thinking that it’s ‘ma’ free will in deciding on that brand whereas we all know it wis jist because ma da smoked the same brand. 🙂


      Ocht yer a wylie wan Smallaxe ,he’s also a dick("Tractor" - Ed). 😉

    259. manandboy says:

      “(Bloomberg) – Oil producers in the North Sea, home to one of the world’s key crude-price benchmarks, are poised to ship the most crude in more than four years. The surge takes place just as OPEC tries to contain a global surplus with coordinated output cuts.

      Shipments of North Sea grades will increase 10 percent month-on-month to about 2.16 million barrels a day in December, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. If all the cargoes load as planned it would mark the most crude oil shipments from the region since May 2012. The increase just from September, when there was field maintenance, would be almost 360,000 barrels a day.”

      2.16 million barrels per day from Scotland’s North Sea oilfields. Only the most gullible and stupid people on earth would believe that Scotland requires support from England. A testament to the power of the Westminster Establishment’s propaganda over decades.

    260. gerry parker says:

      Man and boy.

      Aye, testament to the fact that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

      I’ve run into a few of them in my time.

    261. Breeks says:

      Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that 30 years from now we’ll be reading a McCrone type report of how Chinese investment in Scotland was considered to be a threat to U.K. stability and likely to swing Scotland towards Independence unless Westminster intervened?

      This is the first time I have ever seen the Chinese back away from any commercial opportunity, and frankly, something stinks.

      However, we should not be complacent. I have commented before about Scotland’s primitive attitude towards business, which really needs to be shaken up. If the Chinese were engaged by the “exemplary” duffers at Scottish Enterprise, then in all honesty I’m really not surprised they backed off. Perhaps the shambolic cap fits.

    262. Ken500 says:

      The Tories are taxing the Oil & Gas sector at 40%. Losing thousands of jobs and £Billions. Untaxed, fracked Gas and Oil is being imported. They have banned wind turbines in England. Stopped coal production in the UK. Refused permission for CCS. Reneged on promises. Cut investment in renewables, They are wasting £Billions of (borrowed) money on Hinkley Point and HS2 without a credible business case when there are cheaper more reliable alternatives. They are flying nuclear waste around the world. Cutting NHS/Education funding. Cutting taxes for the wealthiest and sanctioning the vulnerable. The UK is the most unequal place in the world. The Tories do not have a mandate in Scotland. Scotland as part of the UK receives the lowest CAP payments in the EU. The EU gave Scotland extra payments. Westminster took it.

      Westminster/Unionists have caused the migration crisis in Europe. Bombing the Middle East. Illegal wars, banking fraud and tax evasion. The farce of May going to India arguing about 1,000 Indian students. There are twice as many US students are they being blocked from studying. Giving Oxbridge, Bath and Imperial London preferential student visa permission.

    263. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Just going to leave these relevant links from GAPonsonby on here.

      First one 6th April 2016

      This one is today’s.

    264. Peter says:


      Thank you for the explanation of SG not announcing the MOU.

      I wonder why did they not announce the cancellation of it?

    265. Andrew Mclean says:

      Probably, like me disgusted that we live in a country that takes joy in self abuse, funny you stike me as an expert in that field? Silly little questions, sniping from the rear, nothing of benefit to offer, no argument to propose, just the sound of yourself chewing on a wet rag.

      And this, ” I wonder” yes you probably do wonder about rather a lot.

    266. stewartb says:

      Whatever the full circumstances behind the outcome of the Scotland – China MoU, Scotland’s ability to secure Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) is notable: the evidence indicates that Scotland is an attractive place to invest and, by extension, the Scottish government agencies charged with facilitating investments would appear to be competent and successful.

      A key source here is the annual Ernst & Young UK Attractiveness Survey: this provides data on performance in attracting Foreign Direct Investment. The most recent data are for 2015 ($FILE/EY-Scotland-Attractiveness-Survey-2016.pdf). The EY report notes for 2015:

      “… Scotland enjoying its best year on record.”

      “EY’s Global Investment Monitor (GIM) on FDI projects into Scotland in 2015 reveals that the number of inward investments into Scotland surged by more than half over the previous year. This confirms that the ability of the Scottish economy to attract and secure cross-border investments remains both strong and growing.”

      “… Scotland outpaced the rate of growth at a UK level, enabling it to increase its share of all UK FDI projects from 9% to 11%.”

      The UK report confirms Scotland’s performance lags only behind London’s. In general therefore, Scotland’s dealings over FDI are evidently very far from being a ‘shambles’.

      On the likely significance of Brexit, the EY report states (note: the report pre-dated the referendum):

      “When asked about how either a significant or substantial decline in the terms of access to the ESM (European Single Market) would impact the UK’s attractiveness, over 50% of investors in both cases said it would have a negative effect whereas only 7% viewed it positively. It seems clear therefore that a risk of change in the terms of access to the ESM is a significant concern for investors.”

      And “Interestingly, the degree of change is less important, any reduction in the terms of access currently enjoyed has a significant negative impact on perceptions of the UK’s attractiveness for FDI, which suggest this is a very important issue for the majority of investors.”

    267. Peter says:

      @Andrew McLean

      Disappointed that you feel you have to respond to my comments with insults.

      It says more about you than it does me. I repeat;

      I wonder why did they not announce the cancellation of it?

    268. Andrew Mclean says:

      Why do you think Peter? Could it be because they were in competition with Liverpool? That deal is going ahead, blessed by Westminster, railway company 3 is OK OK in UKOK, not a peep from Liverpool conservatives, labour cock a hoop, I wonder why that is?
      Tell you what, since you feel offended, I will explain.
      Do two things tonight, google Scotland’s mou with China, then google Liverpool mou with china,
      Don’t need to look very hard to see every single link from 2015 is Scottish government bad,
      Can you see any Liverpool bad? I wonder why that is? What is Liverpool news like, they bloody love china, oh on corruption, google Rolls Royce corruption?

    269. Andrew Mclean says:

      Oh and peter no apologies will be forthcoming from me, this pathetic attempt you have of owning wings with the Twitter argument, you know a point reduced to the absurd. You conflate the entire Scottish government, i.e. Regardless of party in power with your simplistic understanding of life.

      You should visit the Scottish parliament, place is full, as is Westminster with civil servants actually running the country. Someone once said that political life in the uk was a front to hide the fact that, it’s actually self controlled.

    270. Liz g says:

      Andrew McLean @10.10
      Well said.

    271. Andrew Mclean says:

      Remembered who said that, Joseph Stalin.

    272. Andrew Mclean says:

      If voting made any difference they would not let us do it, Mark Twain.

    273. Peter says:

      I didn’t ask for an apology……or a lecture. Just an answer to a simple question.

    274. Andrew McLean says:

      they didn’t announce it because it hasn’t unravelled, the MOU is still on, despite wall to wall pressure form the BBC the Herald The Scotsman The Sun The Record, the Beano, a buffalo rider, the man down the shops, ect

      But in England this is what is going on

      London Resort Company Holdings and SinoFortone Group today announce an intention for SinoFortone to invest £3.2 billion in the London Paramount Entertainment Resort (London Paramount) creating 27,000 jobs. The London Paramount project will comprise an entertainment resort, including a theme park, events space and hotels on the banks of the Thames in North Kent.

      SinoFortone Anglesey biomass plant financial backing ‘flying-in’
      Work is set to start on a £1bn combined food and power plant on Anglesey, which will create more than 1,700 jobs.
      The large biomass plant and eco park will be built near Holyhead after the bought the former Anglesey Aluminium site. The development will see more than 500 permanent jobs and 1,200 construction jobs brought to the area before 2018.

      SinoFortone Group is to invest £2bn backing two innovative biomass plants and associated food production stations in Holyhead and Port Talbot that will create 1,000 jobs and thousands more during the construction phase.

      On 19th October 2015, Sir Richard Heygate and Dr. Peter Zhang visited High Speed Two (HS2) Limited headquarter and met Sir David Higgins, Chairman of HS2. Dr. Zhang briefly introduced SinoFortone group and express the interest to do the city’s regeneration across the HS2 railway line to help the economic transformation

    275. Andrew Mclean says:

      Peter, are you happy?

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