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Posted on November 26, 2020 by

We couldn’t help but chuckle yesterday when the £100K-a-year Westminster MP and obsessive Wings Over Scotland reader “Pension Pete” Wishart announced – in the space of six minutes – that this site was simultaneously an irrelevance that nobody listened to, but also somehow one of the greatest threats to independence.

It got a lot funnier today, though.

Because today was when someone emailed us to let us know that they’d had another Freedom Of Information response from the Scottish Government.

Now that IS amusing. Though it’s not as bleakly comical as the Scottish Government’s latest proclamation: “We’ve changed the law to specifically let you do something, BUT YOU MUST NOT DO THE THING WE’VE JUST TOLD YOU YOU CAN DO.”

And it’s arguably less funny than this:

Nor does it quite muster the crudely un-self-aware comedic irony of three SNP figures issuing a demand for “unity” by [checks notes] attacking anyone in their own party who disagrees with them as “nutters” and “zoomers” who need to “bolt”. Mmm, unifying.

And it’s definitely not as hilariously absurd as discovering that even while the Scottish Government can’t manage to spare a SINGLE member of staff to work on the case for independence during the COVID-19 crisis (or the four years before it), it’s nevertheless more than willing to put the entire machinery of government at the beck and call of the trans lobby while the pandemic is going on.

But these are dark times, and you’ve got to find laughs where you can.

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  1. P says:

    ScotGov accessed Wings 1095 times!
    You sure that wasn’t Wishy?

  2. newburghgowfer says:

    6 weeks to reply to this FOI !! Its obviously they were too busy accessing your site to zoster in z timely manner.
    Maybe a crowd funder for Pistol Pete for his retirement fund as surely being a ardent Nstionalist he wouldn’t want to take the UK pension from The Parliament he wants to leave ?

  3. newburghgowfer says:

    answer in a timely manner!! I meant to type !!

  4. annie says:

    Just as funny Pete Wishart tweeting Ruth Wishart this morning asking her to use her influence to reign in the bloggers, retweeted by Alyn Smith.

  5. Ian Brotherhood says:



  6. Papko says:

    Are we going to see a great schism in the Party?

    Scots against Scots typing frenetically for Scotland’s future.

  7. Astonished says:

    They are worried. Good.

    Once we’ve rid our party of the wokeratti zoomers. Independence will be right along soon.

    Delighted to see more and more folk (men and women – there aren’t any other types) waking up to the wokeratti and yusuf’s thought crime bill.

    To win you must first know your enemies.

  8. Paul says:

    Sometimes you just feel like what’s the feckin point?

    The team you play with turns out to have the same gombeen men as the team you’re trying to play against.

    It’s just Pete’s encouragement that we might have a referendum in 2075 and if the s30 isn’t granted by then we might possibly have to think about considering withdrawing MP’s one at a time in case we offend our masters that keeps me going.

  9. Republicofscotland says:

    Cosyfeetpete’s on a 100k a year, its no wonder then why he doesn’t want independence, same applies to Hosie, MacDonald and Blackford.

    Sturgeon and Murrell and the usual suspects within the party are on a pretty penny as well, why on earth would they want to jeopardise that by holding an indyref, that might see them fall out of government.

    No for Sturgeon and Murrell its better to govern in a subdued Scotland, regardless of what the people want, than possibly be out of government in an independent Scotland.

  10. Andy Ellis says:

    Seems the gradualists are rattled? I’m encouraged at some recent developments like the folk signing up to the Common Weal principles. I’d certainly be prepared to support a Common Weal “indy fundamentalist” party – even if I do think Pat Kane’s a bit of a roaster!

    Even if there isn’t the prospect of an actual split / new party, I’d like to see the new group set out its stall in opposition to the gradualists and current NEC. Of course the gradualists currently controlling the party may well treat the Common Weal grouping in the same way as the 79 Group…and we all know what happened to them, don’t we readers? 🙂

  11. Cath says:

    Intrigued to know who the brave soul accessing Siol Nan gaidheal from a Scottish Government device is. Perhaps part of someone’s job or an accidental research hit?

  12. kapelmeister says:

    Wishart talks of the case for independence needing to be built. How revealing.

    The case for independence is ready made for any nation that wants it. You proclaim that case loudly and proudly. It’s called inspiring people. Then independence happens.

    I don’t think the Sturgeon fan club are even gradualists. Glacialists really, with lots of priorities other than Scotland. And those priorities are far from altruistic.

  13. Republicofscotland says:

    Cosyfeetpete pushing the, we must have Johnson’s consent for independence to happen agenda, off the the back of the recent Scottish Centre on European Relations report.

    We need Martin Keatings court case to go in our favour to bust cosyfeetpetes constant repetition that we need the S30.

  14. kapelmeister says:

    So Wings Over Scotland is insignificant and dangerous. A most unusual combination.

  15. Sharny Dubs says:

    Must burn them a bit to know they are only adding to your score of hits lol

    Feel the love?

    Keep on keeping on young Campbell, like the cut of yer jib.

  16. Terry says:

    Ho ho ho. So none of them of any party can deny they knew nothing about the snp plot against Alex. So are they all in a joint pact to string it out as long as possible? It’s obvious what the truth could lead to for the snp – however the unionists will be worried about lost seats come May – as you proved before on wings (and I think so did scot goes pop) that Alex leading up an indy party on the list could get over 20 seats.

    It’s weird thinking the high head yins in the snp read this. Well, we see you now. Get your finger out or step aside.

  17. kapelmeister says:

    Alyn Smith tweets “I don’t want to see other people export their agendas into my party”.

    And when he says “my party” he really means it.

    Quite amusing that indy fundamentalism should be seen by these people as something foreign to the SNP.

  18. susanXX says:

    Kapelmeister @12:03pm Yet HE is happy to import HIS agendas into the SNP. what a Stalinist.

  19. Kenny says:

    Taking on ‘malign and malevolent’ influences:

    This is his version of representing our country, right there.

    Rather than taking on the malign and malevolent influences of Westminster, or taking on the case for Independence, this is what Wishart’s being paid handsomely for.
    When there’s a genuine malign and malevolent Brexit about to happen: who do you trust?

    Delighted the highly influential Wings over Scotland blog is so widely read, and clearly highly regarded, by Scot Gov.

    If that bogus Scot, Wishart, has the audacity to stand at the next GE, I predict he’ll be kicked right out the door by his savvy constituents. Resign, you dumpling.

  20. ClanDonald says:

    Wishart and co can just eff off with this “most vulnerable in society p*sh. Really?

    The SNP can give lessons on who is vulnerable in society when they get routine testing of carers for disabled people in nursing homes sorted out, apparently it won’t be fully rolled out till well into the new year. Despite students getting it imminently. And despite young learning disabled people being 30 times more likely to die from covid than non disabled people of their own age. It’s sickening.

    Honestly, I can’t tell you how pissed off I am at these sanctimonious creeps in the SNP virtue signalling how inclusive and caring they are when the truth is they don’t give a crap about those who are genuinely vulnerable.

    Another example is all the SNP political accounts who tweeted in favour of Trans Day of Rememberance last week but were silent yesterday for international day for the elimination of violence against Women. Despite well over a hundred women being violently murdered in the UK last year and NO trans folk. Someone should name and shame.

    Remember, transgender (as opposed to genuine transsexual) isn’t a mental health condition, it’s a category on pornhub. Why do you think they all want to keep their tackle? Vulnerable my a*se.

  21. Stuart MacKay says:


    It probably needed some poor soul to actually get, then check through the log files from the IT systems to count up the visits made to the sites AFTER they had updated the rules for the firewall to block access to Wings to avoid such embarrassment in future.

  22. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Wondering if there’s ever been an independence ‘party’ anywhere else on this planet which has enjoyed such support whilst pointedly not doing what people elected it to do.

    Sometimes it seems we’re so close to this farce that we can’t actually see how fucking outrageous it really is.

    For one thing – why are there any SNP MPs still attending the House of Commons? WTF are they doing there now? What’s the point?

  23. Stoops says:

    This has probably been considered before, but is it not possible to petition a list of independence supporters who will, as a group, withhold their vote unless certain standards are met? An organised group of say, half a million pissed off voters can be a significant lobbying force.

    Stop the tail wagging the dog.

  24. Bob Mack says:

    “This should be a place for building a case for Indy”

    Well that takes the feckin biscuit. Westminster has given Pete and the useless hierarchy opportunity after opportunity to score open goals and every time they blasted the ball over the bar.

    Wings is an Indy site. Everybody on here wants it. Everybody puts forward methods of getting Indy every day week in week out. What does Pete and the SNP do?.

    Clutching your pearls and hoping somebody somewhere will give you an opportunity you can’t fashion by yourself.

    When thet opposed Martin Keatings, when they jailed Manny Singh we should have seen the writing on the wall.

    This isn’t a party for Independence. It is a party for using Independence as a lever to maintain position and power.

  25. Famous15 says:

    The BBC has called Maradona the worst sports cheat of all time and yet Wings adores him.

    I would have thought a worser cheat would be a football club dodging taxes so it could out buy its rivals.

    I must be slower than the BBC and well, less aware than Wings or something like that. God,I am confused ,where did I put that hand? Frank,get the door!

  26. susanXX says:

    Well said Bob Mack@12:26pm. They become more totalitarian by the day. Scary stuff. We need a range of Indy parties because I don’t trust and no longer want the current SNP to have any influence on policy making or the constitution of an independent Scotland.

  27. Cath says:

    is it not possible to petition a list of independence supporters who will, as a group, withhold their vote unless certain standards are met?

    I’d go for that if I didn’t think the clique which has inserted itself is wholly an anti-indy one which is actively trying to push indy supporters away from voting SNP. That’s why I’ll vote for them with my first vote (though it will depend on where I am at the time: if candidate is putting misogyny and attacking women’s ability to speak for themselves over independence, they can do one). But I really do want another party capable of winning list seats I can give my second vote to.

  28. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    So Alyn Smith tweets “I don’t want to see other people export their agendas into my party”.

    What I suspect Alyn means is that he doesn’t want the Independence Agenda being imported into his GenderWooWoo Party!

  29. David Caledonia says:

    What is a vote for the current SNP

    Answer a waste of a good walk

  30. Heaver says:

    Where did that £600k Indyref2 fighting fund go?

    Did we ever get an answer? Or are the crooks still just dodging the question as long as they can, like… crooks.

    Some jailtime a-coming. Mr Murrell, Mr Beattie.

  31. Breastplate says:

    Kapellmeister @ 11:35am,
    I think “glacialists” is correct and would like to see it catch on.

  32. “Pension Pete’s” 2nd tweet (displayed above) is hilarious, he says at some point they are going to have to take people on.

    How is he going to do that when he has blocked nearly 90% of the YES movement?

  33. katherine hamilton says:

    This all good stuff. Good to know Smith and Wishart follow Wings. They might learn something. However given the humungus big holes they are digging for themselves and the SNP in alienating Indy supporters, it surely can’t be long before the “legendary discipline” of the SNP kicks in and they are de-Twittered. Can it? Won’t Mr. Murrel take their wee toys, aka phones, away?

    Needs a Smith and Wesson!

  34. There used to be a joke told in SNP circles:

    What’s the difference between evolution and devolution?

    Devolution takes longer.

    How we used to laugh.

  35. Breastplate says:

    A question to anyone and everyone.

    If you knew the SNP would not make a serious attempt to deliver independence in the next term of government, would there be any point voting for them?

    I would be interested in any answers people have.

  36. Breastplate says:

    Reasonable answers, I should add.

  37. Heaver says:

    Breastplate: Here in Banff & Buchan I’ll likely have to vote snp just to hold off tories. The tragedy of it.

  38. Bob Mack says:


    The point is this. The SNP will undoubtedly talk about Independence prior to the elections. It is the political heroin they feed you in order to keep you hooked on the need for the party to succeed.

    All The evidence preparation, timing, even media output tell us the opposite. Mr Wisharts own blog tells you they are not thinking about it any time soon.

    Here is your choice. Support the SNP for an indefinite time period until they go for Indy or support a new party who have Indy as an absolute priority.

    I’m choosing the latter.

  39. Breastplate says:

    Fair enough Heaver.

  40. Balaaargh says:

    Yeah, having managed corporate proxy infrastructure.that report could have been found in minutes not weeks and most of that time is waiting on the report to generate. In that time they could have tied it to their content management system and made it searchable by the public!

  41. Breeks says:

    Angus MacNeil has a reply to his letter to Boris asking for a Section 30 Agreement.

    You can tell it must be near Christmas because Boris, (well actually it’s his minion, Alistair Union Jack), begins…Ho! Ho! Ho!

    No surprise, but there it is, in black and white. Section 30 refused.

  42. Breastplate says:

    I agree Bob,
    As Heaver’s answer points out for them it seems to be the best of a bad bunch philosophy.
    This would suggest we would need another party, not just have a choice of the best of the worst.

  43. Mac says:

    The SNP have been overrun. Nicola and Team opened the gates and filled every position possible with wokerati footsoldiers soft (or even indifferent) on independence and loyal to Nicola above everything else. That is their key consistent characteristic for getting the job. This is why most of them are hilariously incompetent in everything they attempt, because none of them got the job for their competence.

    So under these circumstances (being overrun) I think we have to do the equivalent of call in an air strike on our position.

    By that I mean one election cycle at Holyrood and Westminster where we do not turn out. Even if half of us didn’t turn out it would be a heavy blow. If you really want to put the boot in, vote for the nearest competing candidate and make it a swing vote not a lost vote. There would be no SNP safe in the country at that point.

    Doing this to any significant level should precipitate a leadership crisis and the departure of Nicola and her husband.

    It will also mean new candidates can be selected (after the cull) to realign the party back to pre2014 values and goals.

    Independence is delayed every day we don’t address the rot at the top. But they have done years of damage through the NEC and in many other ways. We need a clean out. One cylce is all we need.

    Giving the SNP another cushy majority is going to do the opposite. It cements in the staus quo and it will be more of the same as the last 6 years and far worse. The proposed Hate Bill takes on more sinister tones the more we see how the SNP really operate behind closed doors.

    These people should be no where near power, they should be in jail some of them.

  44. Breastplate says:

    I would also note that Nicola Sturgeon is singing from the very same hymn sheet as Alistair Jack concerning no Indyref2 because of the economic ramifications of CoV2.

  45. Breeks says:

    Breastplate says:
    26 November, 2020 at 1:12 pm

    A question to anyone and everyone.

    I’ll vote SNP, just not this SNP.

    Sack the leadership, purge the Wokeratti, and boot out the wind bags like Cosyfeet and Big Daddy Smith, and lose all the money grasping troughers and those prone to unlawful conspiracy in their spare time, and I’ll be delighted to vote SNP for the three or four of them that’s left. Bit of a tall order before May methinks.

    Another serious question… What is there to salvage from the SNP? At what point should we cut our losses and form a proper YES party?

    Or better yet, form a Constitutional Scottish Parliament to dissolve the breached Treaty of Union, and circumvent the SNP and Holyrood altogether.

  46. Breastplate says:

    I think many of us would like to believe that we can save the party and our hopes of independence without such drastic measures but you may be correct. I would like to hope you’re not though.

  47. robert graham says:

    Ok Pete the games up son
    We know it
    You know it
    And you know we know it
    That’s why the temper tantrums isn’t it
    Eh might have been a bit Donald Rumsfeld there apologies

  48. SilverDarling says:

    NS stood up in Holyrood and took the side of Kezia Dugdale, an abject failure of a politician and someone so stupid that she appeared not to understand she had defamed someone. Yet she had the might of the press and political establishment on her side and in that moment NS showed her hand. We saw then who was in charge of the policy direction that has proved to be so divisive and ill thought out.

    We saw as attempts were made to destroy AS how far the current SNP leadership will go with their agenda and we saw how far down the pecking order the pursuit of Independence was.

    Without WoS it would have been difficult to shine a light on much of what has been going on. Campbell Gunn said initially most of the MSM dismissed a conspiracy against AS, now most believe it:

    Where were they 2 years ago? They have allowed this situation to develop. Bloggers and grass roots members seem to be the only ones actively working towards truth just now.

    A complicit press is a weak press and ours are on life support just now. While the National allows Alyn Smith to promote his faction with virtually no reply BTL tell a different story. WGD gets a happy clappy diversionary column to keep the SNP faithful on side and no dissenting voice gets a look in. Yet the traffic tells a different story.

    Anyway, to all those in the ScotGov who come here to see which way the wind blows, your tactics aren’t working , we see you and we see what you are doing.

  49. Breastplate says:

    If we can’t salvage anything from the SNP or there is nothing to salvage then we could really do with another party to contest more than the list seats.

  50. doug says:

    At the moment the biggest threat to Scotland’s independence is the SNP’s inaction.

    I truly believe if they would only show even a modicum of fight most internal division would disappear. But no; fight there is not.

    Soul destroying.

  51. Saffron Robe says:

    Let’s not forget that the “parcel of rogues in a nation’ who were “bought and sold for English gold” were our own kind. Are the SNP any different, taking huge salaries and pensions from the British State? Burn’s lines could just as well have been written about the SNP today as they were about the aristocracy then.

  52. Stuart MacKay says:

    From for today:

    That the Parliament welcomes the global 16 Days of Activism against Gender-Based Violence and the Annual International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women; is concerned that the COVID-19 pandemic has seen an increase in referrals to services for domestic abuse and violence against women and condemns violence against women in all its forms; commends the work of frontline support services that have worked tirelessly to redesign services during the pandemic and ensure that women and children can still access support; encourages anyone experiencing violence to access the support that they need; notes the effective local response and collaborative approach between national and local government on this issue; reaffirms its support for Equally Safe, Scotland’s strategy to prevent and eradicate all forms of violence against women and girls; reflects on the advancements made and key achievements to date and welcomes the publication of the last progress report for Equally Safe; calls on communities everywhere to stand shoulder to shoulder in sending a clear message that violence against women and girls is never acceptable and that now more than ever people must stand together against it, and urges everyone in Scotland to continue to challenge violence and abuse, hold perpetrators to account for their behaviour and work together to build a Scotland where everyone can live equally safe.

    Good to see Shirley-Anne Somerville speaking out against the Pornhub Category Recognition Act. No doubt she’d be pleased with the level of activism here.

  53. Bob Mack says:

    @Stuart MacKay,

    The catch is the definition of women and girls is it not?

    Seems the SNP are set on widening that somewhat.

  54. Scozzie says:

    Cosy feet Pete – the man of feathering his own nest, cosying up to the landowner grouse shooters, and all us plebs are cybernats.

    Alyn ‘Daddy Bear’ Smith – the man of TRA nutters, president of student politics and the crazy youth crew, and top carpetbagger.

    Nicola Sturgeon – the woman of feminism but wants chicks with dicks in our women’s safe spaces, parliamentary liar, corrupter, dodger of manifesto pledges, ditherer, supporter of McWoke waster SNP candidates…I could go on…

    Peter Murrell – the man of sleekit conspiracy to put an innocent man in jail, hopeless CEO, general waste of space but an expensive one

    Mhairi Black – wokest of woke, drag queens as story time teachers, and all women are c*nts if you don’t agree with Mhairi.

    Shirley Anne Somerville – just a Nicola acolyte and and general all round idiot.

    John Swinney – denier of truth and transparency to the inquiry, general lap dog to NS, doesn’t have a backbone.

    Blackford – we’re still in the EU right? Aye, but only for 6 weeks you fucking blowhard!

    Humza Yousaf – I know what you’re thinking and you’re all going to jail for it….FFS!!!

    I could go on….feel free to add.

    Bottom line – vote for the SNP – vote woke, vote thought crime, vote corruption, vote bum warmers.

    Independence – na that just gets dangled at election time – rabbits you’ve got a carrot being dangled anytime soon!

  55. Patsy Millar says:

    I think James Garner’s line in ‘Space Cowboys’ sums up my feelings exactly, ‘I’m going to go to my room now and cry.’

  56. vlad (not that one) says:

    Are any of you btl folks going to take part in the coming weekend’s Conference? If so, what do you expect?

  57. dramfineday says:

    Ian Brotherhood at 12.21

    plus 1 from me Ian for the whole comment AND extra points for the first paragraph – first class.

    Keep it up Stuart, they need to be moved from Aah cannae get the matches to light” to “The blue touch paper is lit”.

    Wasted, wasted years, while London burned, Edinburgh fiddled.

  58. Ron Maclean says:

    @ Ian Brotherhood 12:21pm

    ‘For one thing – why are there any SNP MPs still attending the House of Commons? WTF are they doing there now? What’s the point?’

    Lots of money from a grateful UK – expenses for just about everything – good pensions – subsidised food and drink – nothing to do – convivial friends in other parties – and so on?

    These are the representatives of the people who have sat in silent inaction for the last six years while their leaders supervised tawdry recriminations, malicious prosecutions and fruitless demands ending inevitably in humiliation and rejection.

    Wha’s like us?

  59. Tannadice Boy says:

    @Silver Darling 1 50
    You have raised good points. I particularly liked your comment about Campbell Gunn. I have always found him to eminently sensible. I don’t mind so called tin foil hat comments in relation to the AS conspiracy. Today’s tin foil hats are tomorrow’s mainstream. I will admit I needed convincing about a conspiracy but no more. Watching like a hawk now. I concur with your comments about Stu.

  60. Scozzie says:

    PS:I wrote what I wrote because I want people to give the SNP a fucking good hard shake before it’s too late.

    These MP/s MSPs are taking the piss – please use the power you have as the electorate – they are nothing without your votes. Please hammer home to them you will not stand for their shit politics and policies.

    Please get organised as the YES Movement and fucking hassle these MSPs / MPs to get their act together on independence.

    It seems to me the YES Movement needs to demand from the SNP a plebiscite on independence at the May 2021 election – I don’t think they can be trusted to deliver an indyref.

  61. HYUFD says:

    Scotland’s Covid death rate rises above England’s for the first time as questions rise about Sturgeon’s management of the virus

  62. doug says:

    SNP MPs gone native in Westminster? Irish nationalists MPs went native in their desperate [unsuccessful] hope of gaining Home Rule from a Liberal government. Radical action by true Irish patriots was the understandable result.

  63. Bob Mack says:

    The letter outlining Boris has refused the Section 30 should have immediately seen Nicolas secret master plan put in place and actively starting moves to a refdrendum.

    Anybody heard even a whimper? Thought not. Furthermore, did anybody know Nicola had received a rebuffal by post?

  64. Republicofscotland says:

    HYUFD ‘2.51pm.

    I doubt that very much, as for the dug biscuit salesman, he has no credibility at all.

    However deaths from Covid in England and Wales are way way out of control increasing for the tenth consecutive week on the trot.

  65. Breeks says:

    Breastplate says:
    26 November, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    If we can’t salvage anything from the SNP or there is nothing to salvage then we could really do with another party to contest more than the list seats.

    There wouldn’t be any List Seats in a new Scottish Constitutional Legislature / Parliament.

    The Parliament I envisage would be completely independent of Westminster and Holyrood, and it’s “prime directive” if you’ll forgive the Star Trek terminology would be the defence of Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty, and for starters, that would be about all.

    Initially, it would have to be a Convention rather than a Parliament, but function as a precursor to there being a democratically elected Scottish Government after elections.

    The Primary job of this legislature would be to formally dissolve the Union on Constitutional grounds, (Brexit breaching the Treaty of Union for example).

    I would assume this would take the form of a petition to the UN to recognise the Articles of the International Treaty have been broken, the Treaty thus formally breached and at an end, and appeal for Scotland’s status as an independent sovereign nation to be recognised internationally.

    It is my understanding that all of that could be achieved without any referendum, just by applying legal principles of the breached Union Treaty instead, but obviously, a speedy ratification plebiscite and freshly elected government would be prudent.

    Now I’m just shooting from the hip here. What we really need is somebody with the right knowledge and expertise in how these affairs are best handled. That person I believe is Craig Murray, who has already talked about Constitutional Convention of sitting MP’s and MSP’s.

    That’s the thing we need to go for, and go for it now.

  66. Vivian O'Blivion says:

    Wishart is the Chair of the All party group on Intellectual Property. Someone has a wicked sense of humour.

  67. Lollysmum says:

    If any winger is planning to vote in the AUOB / Yes Alba elections for national inaugural committee members this week, I would really appreciate a vote for me as a general committee member pretty please. Nearly forgot-the election uses real names only so mine is Lyn Middleton) many thanks one & all 🙂

  68. Lollysmum says:

    It seems I fell foul of Akismet or the rev-should read A.L.B.A.

  69. cirsium says:

    @doug, 2.51

    which is why the current Sinn Fein MPs do not attend Westminster. Would that SNP MPs had done the same.

  70. Sarah says:

    @ Lollysmum: I will vote for you. I have always valued your contributions here on Wings and am praying that AUOB and the other initiatives will get some rapid progress to independence. The SNP needs a great deal of assistance – they clearly aren’t managing to govern and drive for independence at the same time.

  71. Tannadice Boy says:

    @Sylvia 2 53
    Thank you very much for that. Excellent absolutely excellent. I have had 2 contacts with Tommy Sheridan. A public meeting and a written question. He impressed me on both occasions although I don’t share his politics. I consider myself in the centre. A mix of public service and private enterprise. I have never met MacAskill I am a lesser person for that. Both are Independence supporters. Great podcast.

  72. Lorna Campbell says:

    If they are all so up in arms about the bloggers, they must be feeling the cold winds of scepticism blowing. I hope it becomes gale before 2021. I am so afraid that the SNP will use our votes to push through unpopular policies, but not take all the steps that need to be taken to lay the foundations for independence, and, more urgently, the means to achieve independence in light of Westminster’s intransigence over a S30 Order.

    I asked Alyn Smith a question yesterday in The National: just what does the trans lobby spend its Scottish government funding on? It does not appear to spend a halfpenny on safe spaces for trans people while, simultaneously, demanding that women share their spaces (women’s funding goes on refuges, shelters, rape crisis centres, etc.) and these are run by women, often volunteers – except, of course, when a trans woman with flu tackle and with no qualifications or Gender Recognition Certificate gets in though the back door to run things so much better than any natal woman possibly could. When I say, share, I mean take over, because sharing is not a concept that the trans lobby recognizes, and it certainly recognizes no situation where sharing simply cannot be permitted, for any reason whatsoever.

    I listened to a psychiatrist explain about two types of trans women: those who are born effiminate and are gay and who feel more comfortable as trans women (they are often the ones who support women’s campaigns to keep women’s spaces sex-based and free of trans women, and readily admit to being trans rather than natal women); and those, and there are various categories, of men who like to dress as women and fantasise about being women, but who are mainly heterosexual, but with little empathy for natal women because their condition means that they are narcissistic and self-absorbed

    So-called ‘trans widows’ have described living with this type of man, and the mental destruction that comes with realizing that they are often indifferent to the harm they do their wives and children, and often just indifferent, full-stop. They have no room for others, just themselves and their condition, which becomes worse as time passes. That they need help and understanding is obvious, but it cannot be at the expense of natal women.

    I cannot comprehend why, in those circumstances, the trans lobby does not see its first duty is to ensuring that these people’s problems are dealt with/alleviated with proper counselling and safe spaces. It beggars belief that these services have not already been created by the trans lobby for trans people, when women, with government funding and help, have been doing this for years, on a shoestring, as have gay groups, black groups and other vulnerable and marginalized groups. It is way beyond time that people were told just what the trans lobby itself does to help trans people – apart from afford them a sense of entitlement that goes beyond any rational understanding.

  73. Sarah says:

    ALL – have you seen Alister Jack’s letter to Angus Brendan MacNeil dated today stating that the PM will not agree to any transfer of powers that permit Scotland to hold a referendum.

    He says that Nicola was already told this in January.

    The reason being that we had a referendum in 2014 and agreed to respect the result.

    Now what?

  74. Christian Schmidt says:

    Does this include times staff accessed these sites while on their lunch break, or from their work laptops at home in the evening because they couldn’t be bothered to switch of their work laptop and start their own one at the end of the day?

  75. Sharny Dubs says:

    I just finished listening to a talkradio utube post which consisted of a diatribe against the “crazy Scots” bla bla bla, woke culture, chicks with dicks, lockdown mayhem, hate speech laws, trans gender woo woo and soon it goes.

    It saddens me that it is so easy to equate the SNP’s madness with the cause for independence.

    How can we demonstrate that the current SNP policies do not reflect the will of the people?

  76. Bob Mack says:


    Don’t worry. I expect the imminent launch of Nicola’s hidden plan is imminent if not already done under the radar.

    Excuse me I have to dash and line my house with reflective tinfoil to keep out the “signals” .whoop hooo!

    Alternately I just accept we have no plan ,no leadership and no fight. Ps and no need to know !!

  77. Doug says:

    @cirsium 3:26pm

    There’s still time. Hopefully the new SNP leader will take them away from Westminster.

  78. Graham Alexander Fordyce says:

    Remind me never to cross you.

  79. G H Graham says:

    Hey Stu,

    Why not broadcast your FOI requests right here on this website?

    After all, if the SNP seem somewhat obsessed with your posts, it would surely save you & everyone else valuable time writing & sending requests when the SNP apparatchiks can simply see the requests here and post the responses below in the comments sections.

    Efficiency, eh?

    A word that many politicians can barely even spell.

  80. Bob Mack says:

    Ladies and gentlemen. According to the posters on another site, Angus MacNeil and Wingers are now the Taliban of Independence.

    I feel an urge to find a cave on Ben Nevis all of a sudden.

    Are these people actually soooooo dumb!!!

  81. mr thms says:

    HYUFD @ 2:51 pm

    Those are ONS figures and based on death certificates deaths for the most recent week, week-ending 13th November. It
    shows Wales had the worst rate per million in the UK in that week.

    A figure for the last seven days is provided on the travelling tabby website and it shows England has 50.1 deaths per million and Scotland has 38.6 deaths per million.

    Sadly, it is likely the total number of deaths in England will exceed fifty thousand today.

  82. Bob Mack says:

    I wonder what Stu looks like with a Shemagh and Pakul.

    Maybe we should all get them.

  83. Robert graham says:

    Scotland the only place on Earth where time stood still.

    Yes that’s right this mind boggling event took place on the 19th of September 2014 events changed Governments were removed, voters removed political parties that fell from grace this happened all over the world with the one exception Scotland , Scotlands people made a choice , a choice that was to bind everyone who lived in Scotland for evermore never again whatever changed in the world we have no choice but to respect that vote it’s set in stone buried in steel and concrete it can’t ever be changed so suck it up Jocks you will have had yer vote then,

    That’s how bloody stupid this shite every Unionist clings to like a bloody life jacket the only thing they have , even if it was a Off the cuff remark made in the early hours by a emotional Alex Salmond , that might have been Alex’s view during a dark moment , but it wasn’t my view the English Government got the answer to their reneging on the Deal when almost every Unionist MP was removed , that’s when the SNP missed a open goal a total clear sitter , they despite the overwhelming support they bottled it and spectacularly ,

    The SNP management were and still are shit scared of Independence that’s why they haven’t planned for the day after it happens , they are the problem not Bawjaws and the Tory government

  84. Doug says:

    @Bob Mack 4:19pm

    Shemagh? You mean, like Cosmopolitan?

  85. Ron Maclean says:

    @Sarah 3:44pm

    ‘Now what?’

    Expect assurances that secret plans will soon be divulged. There will be calls for PlanBs, new parties, new parties including ‘big hitters’ etc. We should know what to expect by now.

    Hold! Hold! Hold! for a secret plan.

    Plan Bs have been rejected.

    New parties exist but don’t look as if they’re ready to burst into anything close to even SNP type inaction yet.

    Formation of a new party including ‘big hitters’? Who are the fabled ‘big hitters’? I can’t think of any. I can think of a number of alleged ‘big hitters’ who have achieved precisely nothing in the last six years. I can think of several ‘big hitters’ we’d be better off without.

    So yes, you’re right. Now what?

  86. Stuart MacKay says:

    Lorna Campbell

    You’re trying to see sense where there is none. The essential characteristic of the identity movement is “I think, therefore I am”. The trans-women are not men who want to be women they are already women, they just look a little different. There’s no need for adjustment or support services. The facilities they are after already exist. The only problem for them is that they’re currently occupied by people who won’t cater to their every whim or bow down to their superiority. Sadly some male baggage will never be left behind. Once they’ve settled in, they will want you to be more like them. It’s not going to stop, no matter what accommodation you offer.

  87. Ottomanboi says:

    All part of the mega scam, the globalist mega scam that is « Covid-19 » a disease not as bad as we were led, by the nose, to believe.
    The political class and its hangers-on were always a questionable lot, in sum they are not really worthy of trust.
    Revolutions usually occur in such critical situations.
    Democracy cracking the carapace of lies.

  88. Ian Brotherhood says:

    The FM using the trusty shield of ‘Ministerial Code’ to deflect Ruthy D’s attacks at FMQs today.

    If the ministerial code is so sacrosanct, why didn’t the FM offer her resignation as soon as she realised she’d broken it by misleading the parliament about when she first heard the allegations against Alex Salmond?

  89. susanXX says:

    Lorna Campbell @3:42pm. We know the answer to this. It’s because men who fail as men (beta males) want to feel good. They want to be women but better women than the biological types and so invade female only spaces for the feeling of power (plus jollies) it gives them. Truly mentally disturbed.

  90. MaggieC says:

    Re Harassment and Complaints Committee ,

    A very interesting Update from the written evidence page ,

    Letter from the convener to Angus Robertson ,

    Update from the Correspondence page ,

    The Convener responded to the Deputy First Minister’s letter of 13 November on 26 November:

  91. Mac says:

    Listening to that Tommy Sheridan & Kenny Macaskill podcast and then reading that Campbell Gunn article in the P&J… the dam is definitely crumbling here.

    When it finally goes it will go badly.

    It is only going to accelerate from here.

    Still a lot of work to be done but I think the so called tipping point has been reached.

  92. Tannadice Boy says:

    Thanks for this update. Angus Robertson was expecting to saunter into a role. He should have just realised he is walking into a maelstrom. A nepotistic appointment. Let’s hope the voters realise that.

  93. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    Worry not about “Scotland the only place on Earth where time stood still.” @Robert graham says at 4:28 pm

    We only have 94 years before the Brigadoon Ballot Boxes will appear and Scots will have the opportunity to right this generational wrong!


  94. Robert graham says:

    Hello La La Land
    Still spouting pish Dr Jim yep
    Grizbard or what ever name yer hiding behind pal more pish
    Petra oh dear how’s yer Independence going ? Aye hit the rocks
    Just in case all you brain dead chumps have missed it yer no getting it under this crowd that’s the word that’s never used Independence , again Independence Maybe yer leader might start trying it for a change

  95. MaggieC says:

    Article from the Scotsman by Kenny McAskill ,

    “ Former Scottish justice secretary Kenny MacAskill has criticised the SNP leadership for seeking to stifle debate within its ranks ahead of the annual conference this weekend. “

    Kenny McAskill is not saying anything different to what we already know about the conference and how certain members and elected representatives are trying to take control of conference .

  96. Lorna Campbell says:

    Stuart MacKay/Susan XX: I know. I try to be that I don’t end up being uselessly angry and vengeful. I believe that this will be a ‘fight to the death’ – probably the deaths of natal women and/or girls, metaphorically and literally. In Canada, they have already experienced dangerous behaviour from the latter group and from men pretending to be women to gain access to women’s shelters. The psychiatrist believes that the latter group – gynaephiliacs – could be dangerous because there exists a powerful tension between the male and the female identities. I cannot really comment on that because I am not qualified to do so, but it did give me food for thought. You have to ask the question: just how many women and/or girls hurt or killed would Shirley-Anne Somerville think was a big enough sacrifice to this madness? It is not as if a wealth of evidence is not out there to be studied.

  97. Lorna Campbell says:

    I was going to add that this behaviour pattern of Shirley-Anne Somerville’s (and the other zealots’) is very similar to the behaviour pattern of the people behind the Salmond affair. It comprises a deliberate and wilful blindness and deafness and an intransigence beyond reason, even in the face of contrary evidence and the cost – in mangled lives, in the former instance and in reputation and monetary cost in the latter instance. There is something not just wrong in the Scottish government, but seriously irrational on a number of levels.

  98. shug says:

    Well I have joined 2 yes zoom meetings this week and have another tonight.

    So far the SNP is seen as the only route and the approach of the Murrels is the only way – at the moment, but if they fluff it they will be toast by May simple.

    The only short cut I see is if the Scottish Government fails a vote of confidence and has to call an election early and I don’t know how this would pan out.

    Keatings letter from Boris today was interesting in that they don’t mention once in a generation simply respect the outcome of the referendum. Is this a change??

  99. LeggyPeggy says:

    MaggieC at 5.17 pm,

    That’s the problem about the conference being on-line this weekend whereas if it was being held in a conference centre the members would be able to show the * top table * exactly how we feel about the way the Snp have been ignoring the members , either vocally or with a mass walkout of members out of the hall.

  100. Mighty S says:

    Breeks says:
    “Now I’m just shooting from the hip here. What we really need is somebody with the right knowledge and expertise in how these affairs are best handled. That person I believe is Craig Murray, who has already talked about Constitutional Convention of sitting MP’s and MSP’s.”

    A flicker of excitement arose when I read your ideas, Breeks. However, can I urge caution with the capable and wise Craig Murray because he is a self confessed Trans Gender supporter.

    We absolutely need a leader. Anyone who can stand up to the Murrells and WM and who has enough backing and confidence to take Scotland forward. The world is waiting for us.
    Cos right now, we’re up to our oxters in faeces.

  101. Gregor says:

    At first thought it was contempt, now I’m convinced it’s contempt and hate (via the architects of Scottish hate crime bill 2020 & its exclusive podium):

    “You hate someone because of what they are, and you are angry at someone because of what they did. … Contempt is feeling like the other person is not worth your anger. You are still angry, but you are trying to regulate your anger by looking down on the other person and putting a distance between you…”:

  102. Ahundredthidiot says:


    A piece about wee pishy pete, really….. I genuinely thought you were above this sort of thing.

    He is irrelevant.

  103. Tannadice Boy says:

    @Lorna Campbell
    You have missed out real men in your deliberations. Do you think I spent all of my life looking after the women that are important to me?. And spent untold effort and resources making sure their safe?. When it comes to real fighting you best step aside. 10 minutes will be all it takes. The law has always been an ass. They will feel the force of real men and they ain’t going to like it. Police Scotland take note.

  104. Gregor says:

    Scot Gov:

    “A diverse and independent media is vital to sustaining a flourishing democracy…”:

  105. MaggieC says:

    Re Harassment and Complaints Committee ,

    The next Committee Meeting Date: 16th Meeting, Tuesday 01 December, The Committee will next meet on Tuesday 1 December at 10.15am to take evidence on the Complaints Handling phase of its inquiry .

    Public papers for meeting on Tuesday 1 December.

    The Committee will meet at 10.15 am in the Robert Burns Room (CR1).

    1. Complaints Handling: The Committee will take evidence from—
    Judith Mackinnon, Head of People Advice; and then from—Gillian Russell, Director, Health Workforce, Scottish Government.

    2. Complaints Handling (not before 3.30pm) The Committee will take evidence from—
    Nicola Richards, Director of People; and then from—John Somers, Principal Private Secretary to the First Minister, Scottish Government.

    Clear your diaries for Tuesday , it could be a very interesting day .

  106. Tannadice Boy says:

    I don’t know what I would do without you. More critical updates I was to busy having my tea!

  107. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Lorna Campbell (5.26) –

    I don’t know if this is perhaps so obvious that it doesn’t need highlighting…

    Last week we were discussing the Campbell Martin films, ‘The Only Game In Town’ (Parts 1 & 2), all about PPP/PFI shenanigans in North Ayrshire.

    Both films are essential viewing and were featured in posts by Rev Stu here upon their release.

    Right at the end of ‘Only Game In Town 2 – The Cover Up”, Campbell says:

    “You might question, why would North Ayrshire Council, Police Scotland, the COPFS and the central govt civil service all collude in a cover-up about a project to build four schools? The answer to that question is simple – it isn’t just about four schools in North Ayrshire. If a proper and thorough investigation was carried out into what we have revealed about the North Ayshire Schools PPP , the outcome would inevitably lead to questions being asked about every other PFI/PPP contract in the UK…”

    And he’s already shown where North Ayrshire residents’ dosh is going (£1 million A MONTH until 2038) – offshore tax avoidance as revealed in the Panama Papers.

    But look at the main players he lists there – swap NAC for the Scottish Govt and it’s exactly the same nexus as the ‘forces’ stalling the harassment inquiry, right down to certain individuals (oh aye, and the lawyers too – Shepherd & Wedderburn, recently taken on by the SNP to shield Murrell from that annoying committee, also handled North Ayrshire’s PPP business ).

    Can’t the current treatment of Salmond be viewed, quite reasonably, as a consequence of previous (long-standing) criminality? Those main players, all being told, ‘Get Salmond!’ under pain of exposure?

    (If you haven’t already played this fun game, try clicking the link below and jumping along to approx 28mins – before you do, guess who might pop up!)

  108. shug says:

    Well the BBC is getting very clever at the way they publish the COVID-19 figures

    • They don’t publish the English daily figures till after the daily briefing
    • On their historic pages they frequently quote the 7 or 14 day averages rather than the daily number

    I have been keeping a record as best I can and the Scottish 7 day averages are

    Cases 916
    Deaths 30

    Since we are 8% of the population (round it to 10%) the expected English/UK number is easy to calculate. ( 9000 cases and 300 deaths)
    Their current figures are well ahead of ours, being 18300 cases and 465 deaths

    I have to say this difference is down to the communication skills of Nicola and Prof Leitch against the buffoonery of Boris.

  109. susanXX says:

    Lorna Campbell. Yes it is quite scary how bad things have become. We must stay strong. And thank you to the guys that say they stand by us too.

  110. Tannadice Boy says:

    BBC Scotland are beginning to catch up but are still behind the curve. Still we should be thankful for small mercies. Sturgeon says re Alex Salmond our relationship has broken down. No kidding!
    On past occasion Stu has said Alex Salmond won’t return to the fray full stop. Alternative view, If Alex Salmond was to enter the fray again in the form of a new party he would win the election. Lots of money needed but possible but must include constituency candidates. Impossible? Ask Nigel Farage he did it and so can the Boss. You are 64 Alex but have one last heave in you. We are desperate to vote for someone.

  111. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi MaggieC at 4:53 pm.

    You mentioned,
    “Letter from the convener to Angus Robertson ,

    This line in that PDF –
    “Please do not include any information on the substance of any complaints or any information that could contribute to the identification of any complainers.” – instantly reminded me of two things:-

    2) All the references to “Marmalade” here:-

  112. newburghgowfer says:

    What I dont get is the Likes of MaCaskill, MacNeil, Whitford, Cherry still doing in the Party. If they left and stood next year it would create quite the stir heading up a New Party?

  113. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Perchance the grinding wheels have started to turn?

  114. Beaker says:

    I’m surprised Wishart hasn’t blocked himself on Twitter…

  115. CameronB Brodie says:

    Family law that conflates “sex” with “gender”, and which rejects biological boundaries and the Natural law? That’s clearly doomed to cause significant legal confusion and considerable social harm. It is also clearly incompatible with “PLAIN LANGUAGE AND LEGISLATION”.

    “The Office of the Scottish Parliamentary Counsel have prepared this booklet about the use of plain language in legislation. The Counsel in that office are responsible for drafting Bills for the Scottish Executive. They are committed to drafting legislation in plain language….”

  116. cirsium says:

    @ottomanboi, 4.47

    All part of the mega scam, the globalist mega scam that is « Covid-19 »

    When I saw the clip in the Rev’s article of the FM about lifting restrictions temporarily, I thought “we’re being played”. The FM follows the advice of SAGE so the UK government is in on the game. Restrictions are lifted because SARS-CoV-2 becomes less infectious over the Christmas period?

  117. CameronB Brodie says:

    Children have legal rights, so Family law needs to use “plain language”. Not a contrived and misleading misrepresentation of the scope and intent of the original GRA.

  118. A Person says:

    Sorry, but if Nicola Sturgeon thinks saying “I hope to hold an indyref in the early part of the next Holyrood term” is going to shut up dissent she must be on glue.

    As someone noted on here the other day, she is exceedingly careful with her use of language. She is not saying “I will hold”, she is saying “I hope to hold”. Aye, and I hope my hair doesn’t keep going grey but it would be a bit bloody silly of me to say “my hair will stop going grey”. The Scots word for this is “sleekit”, there is also an Irish phrase, “a cute hoor”.

    Quite noticeable that this bit of red meat is thrown out after all the arguments recently, particularly the commotion with Cosy Feet and Daddy Bear on social media yesterday. And also on a day when her performance re: covid is being criticised. AND perhaps on a day when several papers are leading with headlines about trans issues.

    Precisely how moronic does she think we are?

  119. Gregor says:

    Essentially, should the public seek to be noticed by SNP/Scot Gov, a wise, facts and evidence driven public, should utilise the same preferred online political information sources as SNP/Scot Gov, such as the most popular Scottish political blog: Wings over Scotland.

    Such a pitiful waste that it prefers to publicly belittle and degrade such a powerful potential asset to the Scottish independence (the fundamental objective) movement.

  120. MaggieC says:

    Me @ 5.56 pm

    Re Harassment and Complaints Committee ,

    I see that the Daily Record is saying this ( I won’t call it reporting ) ,

    “ A Scottish Parliament spokesperson said: “Mr Murrell has been invited to give evidence to the Committee on 8 December.”

    So if this is true clear your diaries for the 8 th December as well , I wonder who else will be called on the 8th then as the other witness ? .

  121. Lorna Campbell says:

    Tannadice/susan XX/Ian Brotherhood: thank you for your support. When I was just a teenager/young adult, I thought I knew it all, but, looking back, I now realize just how immature and arrogant I was. Luckily, no one ever put me in a position (and I suffer even now from a crippling shyness, anyway) where I could do harm with my daft notions. Not all young people are daft, of course, but most of us need to grow a bit and live a bit before we should get access to power.

    When you look at many of the SNP hierarchy, they have known little else but politics, and most have been allowed access to power far too young. Apart from anything else, they are open to manipulation by older people around them who are even more ambitious and power-hungry. I look at the likes of the Chinese Revolution, and the teenage and young Red Guards, the Cambodian Khmer Rouge, most very young and out of control, at African regimes, where young thugs with guns rule the roost. Young people are very attracted to authoritarianism and there is a fatal attraction to wielding power over others, manipulated by older people who should know better.

    Sometimes, I think the real problem is those who have been in situ in the SNP for many years and who simply do not want independence, or, more controversially, those who have been placed in the SNP from early on, to ensure it never does gain independence for Scotland. Long before the IRA went on the rampage in NI, it had been infiltrated by the British State, so we have to wonder whether the SNP has also been undermined from within since long before the 2014 referendum. Without sounding paranoid, it would explain a great deal. But, hey, what do I know?

  122. Polly says:

    ‘Well said Bob Mack@12:26pm. They become more totalitarian by the day. Scary stuff. We need a range of Indy parties because I don’t trust and no longer want the current SNP to have any influence on policy making or the constitution of an independent Scotland.’

    I now agree with this too. At one time I felt confidence in SNP being in charge during independence negotiations, feeling they were not only competent and businesslike with details but to be trusted with the big design ideas of taking our country in a wise direction. Now I’m suspicious of a lot of what they say and dislike the direction in which they’re taking our country.

    ‘Where were they 2 years ago? They have allowed this situation to develop. Bloggers and grass roots members seem to be the only ones actively working towards truth just now.’

    I agree with this post too. Incompetence has filtered through along with bad tactics and disreputable machinations and there has been no oversight worthy of the name except brave individuals, including those in positions within the party, ordinary folk more generally and this website. Nicola brooks no heresy and has promoted and supported inferior quality people who can’t even get a conspiracy done and dusted half competently. Highly appropriate if she is eventually brought down by something started by that coterie loyal only to her.

  123. A Person says:


    Nowadays thanks to T. Blair most young people go to uni, learn nonsense degrees that contain a lot of this woke rubbish, then graduate thinking they are members of an intellectual elite. Trouble is they graduate into a market where they can’t get a good job (this was a major problem for decades not just due to covid). How many young folk with degrees do you know making coffees or delivering pizzas, I know a few. So they are alienated as well, exacerbated by things like Brexit and a decade of austerity, or horrible, bigoted politicians like Trump and Johnson. It makes them susceptible to extreme, ideological solutions which they see as a way of transforming a corrupt society. All this woke stuff comes from over-educated youngsters who are angry (not without reason) at our society.

    Put another way, if Cameron Archibald had been born fifty years earlier and got an apprenticeship out of school, with the hope of owning his own home, he wouldn’t be into this mental rubbish.

  124. A Person says:

    Also Lorna your posts are very eloquent keep up the good work.

  125. Saffron Robe says:

    Was the Declaration of Arbroath not simply a letter sent to the Pope, the highest international authority at the time? Surely then we can compose another letter re-iterating the Declaration of Arbroath and explaining that because Brexit breaks the Treaty of Union beyond all doubt, then we, the people of Scotland, are no longer bound by it?

    It only needs to be signed by one hundred of us and then the letter can be distributed to the UN, EU and all nations whose friendship and support we court. We could also add that we would be perfectly happy for a judicial review of our case to be held in an international court of law because we have nothing to fear – truth and right is on our side.

  126. Dramfineday says:

    Lorna Campbell at 3.42.

    Hurrah Lorna…well put.

  127. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi A Person at 7:44 pm.

    You typed,
    “Nowadays thanks to T. Blair most young people go to uni, learn nonsense degrees that contain a lot of this woke rubbish, then graduate thinking they are members of an intellectual elite. Trouble is they graduate into a market where they can’t get a good job (this was a major problem for decades not just due to covid).”

    A story seared into my memorybockers was from the Sunday Mail in the 1970s. A guy, who had graduated from St Andrews was seeking employment in ‘business Administration’, or something similar.
    He couldn’t find employment.
    Maybe his degree in “Ancient History” (or similar?) was a factor in his unemployability?

  128. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Try again…

    Hi A Person at 7:44 pm.

    You typed,
    “Nowadays thanks to T. Blair most young people go to uni, learn nonsense degrees that contain a lot of this woke rubbish, then graduate thinking they are members of an intellectual elite. Trouble is they graduate into a market where they can’t get a good job (this was a major problem for decades not just due to covid).”

    A story seared into my memorybockers was from the Sunday Mail in the 1970s. A guy, who had graduated from St Andrews was seeking employment in ‘business Administration’, or something similar.
    He couldn’t find employment.
    Maybe his degree in “Ancient History” (or similar?) was a factor in his unemployability?

  129. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Apologies for duplicate…

  130. shiregirl says:

    Off track here but well pissed off at trying to hold beardy men to account on FB on the national site, tearing into The Rev as being a ‘raging transphobe’. Unbelievable.

  131. CameronB Brodie says:

    The misleading construction of the GRA amendment bill, is unlikely to be the result of poor legal skills. ‘Our’ civil service had to be instructed to stop following a gender-critical approach to the law, for this situation to develop. Which appears to resemble an intentional attack on the potential for Scots to experience natural rights and natural justice. Though there is nothing new in that. So here’s a look at “An Institutional Theory of Corporate Regulation”, which I think relevant to the corporate shenanigans we are witnessing from the current Scottish government. It focuses on “changing corporate behavior”. Subsequently, it most certainly applies to the right-wing and populist coupe we call Brexit.

  132. Tannadice Boy says:

    @Lorna Campbell 7 32
    You got me until the last paragraph. I served in Northern Ireland in the seventies. A totally different situation. Mind you I wish Scotland were not so compliant now. I can assure you the people of Northern Ireland decided their fate. We had 55000 soldiers on the street and couldn’t guarantee the safety of anyone including myself. (Although it felt safer than the gangs roaming the street unchecked back at home) It’s got to be a political solution to Scotland let’s start off with a change of leadership. The FM is the most divisive leader we have had and are likely to have.

  133. A Person says:


    But back then such a degree was at least rare and marked you out as educated, nowadays it’s value would be diluted because we have the insane polo of sending everyone to university.

  134. red sunset says:

    The National got a story on Wings being the most read political site by Scottish government staff.
    But not allowing comments on it …

  135. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Is it true that the harassment committee has called Peter Murrell to appear on Dec 8th?

    That’s his birthday. His 56th.

  136. Saffron Robe says:

    I’ve just read that Nicola Sturgeon says she wants indref2 “early in the next parliament”, knowing full well that the consent she is dependent upon for such has already been refused. What a fraud!

  137. MaggieC says:

    Ian Brotherhood @ 8.28 pm

    Check my comment @ 7.27 pm

  138. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @MaggieC –

    I did see your comment M, I was just being a bit sleakit, trying to catch attention of any newcomers dropping in.

    FWIW I don’t believe for a nano-second that he’ll appear.

    But if he does?

    Woooooooft…the mind boggles.


  139. wee monkey says:

    One has to wonder at the output of our civil service if they are all busy trawling “wings” for some “malfeasance” and instead realising that the game is up and it is only “a matter of time”.

    Or maybe they are worried about [s]their jobs[/s] climbing up the greasy pole instead?

    Keep their feet to the fire Stu.

    No I don’t know how to do strikethrough.

  140. ronnie anderson says:

    Saffron Robe There’s a caveat in her statement on a Referendem COVID FFS America held a election where millions voted Scotland is minuscule in terms of voting population

  141. MaggieC says:

    Ian Brotherhood @ 8.46 pm ,
    Brian Doonthetoon @ 7.03 pm ,

    Ian ,
    As I said earlier , clear the diaries for the next two Tuesdays . LOL .

    Brian ,

    Thanks for the youtube link , that brought back memories of that song and I hadn’t forgotten about Craig Murray’s post , it was the first thing I thought about seeing the letter to Angus Robertson LOL .

    I’m laughing now at the headlines on the article in the Herald about Angus Robertson ,

    “ Angus Robertson dragged into Alex Salmond affair inquiry “

  142. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Check out this chunk of shite from Leslie Evans’ latest letter to the committee:

    Minutes of Update Meetings
    Ms Baillie asked about meetings coordinated by my office and why minutes of these have not been provided to the Committee. Scottish Government responsibility for recording meetings is clear: to ensure all information of importance – of corporate value – is properly recorded. As I explained, there were different kinds of meetings taking place throughout the
    Judicial Review process. As well as consultations with counsel and meetings within the Legal Directorate, there were informal coordination meetings which were predominately for the purposes of information sharing. This type of conversation does not form part of the corporate record and as such, no formal minutes were recorded.

    There are types of ‘meetings’ which are not predominantly for the purposes of information-sharing?

    Who knew?!

  143. Effijy says:

    So the SNP Government are regular readers here at Wings.

    If they are unhappy with what is said here and think it misleading
    then why the hell don’t you come on here and offer additional
    information to straighten out our allegations.

    You could even attempt to do it anonymously.

    Start here on this post and point out anything the Rev has highlighted
    that is wrong or out of context.

    What do you actually do rather that debate, get cosy feet Pete
    To say “Gonae no dae that”.

    Your policies are way off track to what the majority want, you don’t accept challenge from members,
    You try to rig candidates for election, you reject major topics for conference and you don’t answer
    serious questions about party funds nor provide vital information required for Alex Salmond’s quest
    to clear his name and identify those who conspired against him.

    Just some reasons so many left a party who act like that.

  144. Dan says:

    As a test I’m just gonnae tack oan a couple of tweets btl here by Mark Hirst to see if he’ll be added to a certain individual’s “Bad Indy Malcontents List”.

    (The tweets link to a couple of podcasts with Tommy Sheridan talking with Alex Neil and Kenny MacAskill)

  145. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Apologies if this has been posted already.

    Link to Sputnik interview – Tommy Sheridan & Kenny MacAskill discussing the ‘Salmond’ inquiry.

    An excellent up-to-date summation for folk who haven’t been keeping up or have, for perfectly understandable reasons, been avoiding it:

  146. Doug says:

    When the FM goes the clueless britnats will think it’s a victory for unionism and the end of the independence movement. Of course the opposite is true, just as long as the new FM has the fight and the fire to grasp the thistle, the independence movement will receive a massive boost. And if the new NEC becomes more radical and more representative… even better.

    The current FM has one last chance to step down with some dignity intact. That must happen before the new year.

    Nicola, do the right thing for Scotland.

  147. MaggieC says:

    Dan @ 9.30 pm ,

    We might as well add Mark Hirst before Pete W does as he’s adding everyone else to his list ,

    “ A cursory glance at Wings, Bell, Barrhead Boy, Jeggit, Lawson and the rest show an angry and intolerant collective of people who now hate the SNP with little to offer the indy debate. “

    The problem for Pete is that all these “ indy bloggers “ are the ones who have been pushing for independence because the Snp certainly haven’t been pushing for independence .

  148. @ Ian Brotherhood at 9.15pm: Did Ms Evans actually say “predominately”? She’s a real bright spark, eh?

  149. Dan says:

    @ Maggie

    Aye, saw that and also notice Jason (Jeggit) ain’t happy either about the recent crap this site’s No1 Fan has been punting oot.

    I find it utterly bizarre that these “big names” in the SNP are lashing out at so many of the driving forces in the Indy movement, and not focusing on the actual source of all this so called division, which lies slap bang in the middle of *their own party.

    *seeing as they seem so keen to claim ownership.

    … and if they think they own it rather than the members, then they should fuckin own all this shite and get busy sorting it out, rather than spending their precious time whining and having a go at folk who are merely highlighting the issues.

  150. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Michael Laing (9.55) –

    She did indeed.

    I hadn’t even noticed that.

    Pure braw to know that the most totally topmostest civil servants exercise such attention to detail, intit?!

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  151. Grey Gull says:

    Maggie, Ian Brotherhood et al.
    Catching up on stuff re the inquiry. Thanks for all the info. Wish I hadn’t arranged work meetings for Tuesday now. Will need to have sneaky peeks here to find out what’s going on.
    Would love it if Mr Murrell appeared before the committee but I won’t hold my breath.
    Just listened to the Tommy and Kenny podcast. “More Carry On, Minister than Yes, Minister “- never a truer word spoken. However, I struggle to see the funny side of things when an innocent man was nearly sent to jail and the party that supposedly supports Scotland’s independence is doing hee haw to get it done.

  152. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Grey Gull –

    That ‘Carry-On’ quip was one I noted too. And it wasn’t off-the-cuff. Kenny MacAskill knows what he’s doing and more power to him for doing it.

    Looks like a lot of folk are going to have to choose a side, and do it soon.

  153. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    Didn’t Weet Pishfart say something about 60% Yes and they’d start the 2nd Indy Ref (it may have been NS)?

    “The latest (Poll), when you take out the undecided, gives the SNP 59.5%, an unprecedented near 60% score for them or for any part of the UK.”

  154. Effijy says:

    Daily Hail reports Matt Hancock’s firmer Landlord
    Landed a multi million pound NHS Covid deal after
    a WhatsApp message to him offering help!

    Just what the hell cant these crooks get away with?
    It’s complete and utter corruption not to go out to tender,
    not to chose experience providers and Give 90% of these
    contracts to Tory contracts.

    Why are the opposition struck dumb on these matters in parliament and
    In the press?

  155. Hatuey says:

    Scotland’s party of independence is actually doing less than nothing to achieve it. Doing nothing would be fine.

    They’re maliciously out to scupper our chances when you look at their position on the Keatings stuff. There are other examples too. You can assume they were behind getting Wings kicked off Twitter. You can assume the decision to attack AUOB came from the top too.

    We see clearly how they are persecuting people like Craig Murray, how they blocked Joanna Cherry by changing long-standing party rules, and how they simply “disappeared” the Indy fund. None of these things are coincidence; they represent a calculated plan to destroy the independence movement. They’re out to close us down.

    The most impactful thing they’re doing to destroy our chances is the lie itself, that they are for independence. All of those votes, all that energy, and all those donations – provided by ordinary men and women up and down the country – could be going to a real Independence Party. That’s the big crime.

    More than that, though, they’re pissing all over the hopes and dreams of ordinary people, many of which are poor and simply wanting to create a country that’s worth getting out of bed for. That’s the part that stings most.

    I have no explanation for what they’re doing. We’ve all wondered and guessed, heard the speculation of others, etc. I have no idea. But I do know they’re doing it. And I know as long as they keep doing it we are well and truly fucked as far as independence goes, probably forever.

    If they win a majority in May they’ll intensify their efforts to destroy us. The data provided by Wings today might be funny on a certain level but it’s also dark and ominous. I hope there’s a contingency plan in place for this website – it’s a crucial hub that is bound to grow in importance over the next few months.

  156. cynicalHighlander says:


    Because its Hunky Tory Land with a right wing opposition and media.

  157. Grey Gull says:

    I feel your pain

  158. MorvenM says:

    If you want to know what delusion sounds like, have a read at this thread. But not if you’re easily depressed 🙁

  159. MorvenM says:

    Another good article from Robin McAlpine, particularly if you’re still in the SNP. Too late for me.

  160. Hatuey says:

    Morven, for me that thread confirmed that there’s a growing number of people turning against them. The level and character of denial they exhibit speaks volumes. Note how they almost all refuse to discuss or even mention the substance of anything – it’s just “Wings is a let down”, one after the other, over and over.

    Deception and fraud bring out weird characteristics in people, especially the victims. Basically, the more you pay for a fake painting, the more you will be inclined to convince yourself that it’s real… and the angrier you’ll get when someone tells you the truth (that it’s fake).

    We’re all too familiar with this dynamic when it comes to politics. It’s tragic that it’s happening to us. Those SNP loyalists are the real victims here. I pity them. They’re being humiliated and fleeced.

  161. Breeks says:

    MorvenM says:
    27 November, 2020 at 12:18 am
    If you want to know what delusion sounds like, have a read at this thread. But not if you’re easily depressed ?

    What can you say? Gullible people gonna get gulled, and likely be the last ones to know too.

    How else would CosyFeetPete get a Twitter following?

  162. twathater says:

    @ Ian B 6.46pm thanks for that link Ian it just refreshes in your mind the duplicity and corruption that is endemic in ALL political parties , the SNP were supposed to be better than the establishment parties but it appears they have embraced the establishment penchant for ignoring and demonising the electorate .

    It has taken the unionist parties hundreds of years to hone their greed, lies and corruption to perfection , at least the SNP have managed it in ONLY 13 years they should be sooo proud

    The question has to be asked why can we not get politicians of the calibre of Campbell Martin why must we always elect grifters and smooth talking chancers

  163. twathater says:

    @ Maggie C, again Maggie thanks for ALL your links , the one from the committee to Robertson is quite interesting DO THEY KNOW OR SUSPECT SOMETHING ( I sincerely hope so ) I notice in the attendees for the next sitting that Ms Lloyd has still NOT been called or is she still being protected by BIG JOHN in case she goes off reservation

  164. twathater says:

    The National headline
    Nicola Sturgeon: Indyref2 ‘should come in earlier part’ of next Holyrood term

    Then the National prints
    Asked if it would happen in 2021, Sturgeon said she had neither “ruled it out nor ruled it in”.

    Her face in the article is a picture
    What’s that saying

    ‘Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive’

    Never mind Nikla we believe you , you haven’t let us down so far BWAAAAAAHHHHAAHHHHAAA

  165. Frazerio says:

    That linked Twitter thread is a remarkable echo chamber of delusion. Note to any Scots not living in Scotland, you are not proper enough to have an opinion apparently. They block ‘abuse’ which is actually just people asking pertinent questions and forming opinions on evidence presented whilst abusing people who dont live in Scotland as not Scottish enough. The irony.
    While I’m here, I’d strongly recommend to anyone who hasnt yet done so to listen via the links up thread to the Sputnik/Sheridan/Macaskill & Two Auld Men/Craig Murray discussions. Some really outstanding stuff, well worth making the time for. Interesting and fair ‘inside insights’ from both Macaskill & Murray.

  166. twathater says:

    @ Morven and others I noticed on that twatter thread supposed YES people telling others to BLOCK WOS , Jeggit , Barrhead boy, and the likes of THEM , WTF is the likes of THEM , these people are not real independenistas they ONLY want independence if Nikla does it and stays on indefinitely

  167. 100%YES says:

    There has been no urgency on the SNP part whats so ever in trying to keep Scotland’s place in the EU not even a single attempt for a party who state Scotland place is in the EU and there is no urgency to take us back into the EU.

    I fell like I’ve wasted 5yrs of my life and for what, what a pointless journey Scotland has just gone on how anyone can say Nicola Sturgeon is a leader is a joke.

  168. Alf Baird says:


    A great discussion between Tommy and Kenny.

    On the matter of ‘international recognition’, you would think the SNP leadership might have had the common sense to appoint one of the very few Scottish former UK ambassadors who also support independence, to a senior position. Craig Murray could have been tasked with developing and implementing a comprehensive ‘international recognition’ strategy for a Scottish state, and has the necessary skill set to do so. Instead we have Michael Russell doing what exactly?

  169. Stuart MacKay says:


    I dunno that “should” sounds worryingly definite. I’d have felt more comfortable with a “maybe” or “possibly”.

    The First Minister could really learn a thing or two from Mairi Gougeon who announced yesterday that work would begin immediately on planning to bring in a licencing scheme for driven grouse shooting businesses.

    See, no need for ambiguity. A clear statement that they will start doing something immediately that will lead to something, sometime.

  170. Effijy says:

    No need to block WoS on social media,
    Just put a blindfold on, your fingers in your
    ears and mouth LaLaLaLa over and over until
    everyone agrees with you doing nothing.

    It’s the future for SNP.

    New party logo has 3 monkeys demonstrating the new party rule book
    Sit on yer arse and cover ears, eyes and mouth.

  171. Hatuey says:

    Stuart Mackay, why are they doing something about Grouse shooting now? They’ve had years to do it. The timing of this seems as suspicious as the announcement about a referendum.

  172. @ 100%YES at 8.17am: I’m coming to the conclusion that Nicola Sturgeon is a unionist collaborator. I did wonder for a while if she was just unbelievably incompetent, but surely even the most useless leader couldn’t manage adopt the most utterly irrelevant or counter-productive policy every time. Besides, I don’t believe she is stupid or incompetent. I think she knows exactly what she’s doing, and she’s lying to us about it. If she still has support from genuine independence-supporters in the SNP, it can only be because they find this as difficult to accept as we do.

  173. Dan says:

    @ Stuart Mackay

    Apparently she cannae set a firm date because of the pandemic…

    Many other countries have held national elections and we have held by-elections.
    If it’s all about protecting people and saving lives, then it is arguable that more harm will be inflicted on oor population the longer we have to remain under continuing London Rule, enduring the policies of a UK Government run by a party we have rejected since Rosa Parks sat on a seat in the “white part” of a bus.
    Plus there’s the small matter of us being pulled out of the EU against oor expressed will which isn’t exactly helpful for a variety of reasons.

  174. Stuart MacKay says:


    Two recent polls show 70% support for banning it completely. So they have to do something otherwise Comfy Feet Pete won’t have anything to do at the weekend.

    Of course they take the smallest step possible that waves a carrot that something might be done to stop the rampant criminality that is essential to make the business economically viable.

    The response is straight out of the referendum playbook – do as little as possible and make sure you ask the criminals what the best course of action is.

  175. Stuart MacKay says:


    The government, at all levels, seems utterly paralyzed with indecision, inaction and ineptitude.

    The pandemic actually gives them some kind of purpose and something concrete to focus on, though even here incompetence shines through, since they only seem capable of copying England. The vaccines will really throw a spanner in the works.

    Who are you? And what have you done with the SNP?!

  176. Bob Mack says:

    I’m afraid the cult of Nicola will be holding us back for some time yet to come. The Twitter pages are indicative that many believe she will lead us to the promised land of Independence. I fear she will not.

    Faith in Independence is good. Faith in the SNP is not, and I say that with regret.

    It looks like the only thing to open eyes in this situation is time. As time passes and she fails to deliver then more will move from her. Meanwhile all we can hope is that Boris dithers as usual to give us that time.

  177. Black Joan says:

    Did ANYONE get that e-mail Colin Beattie promised about the ring-fenced/earmarked/”woven-through” three quarters of a million pounds Yessers gave NewSNP for the independence referendum they promised?

    Does anyone know where the money is?

  178. Daisy Walker says:

    About a month ago I stated that there would be no great bombshell revelations at the Nicola Sturgeon Enquiry – prior to the SNP Conference – nothing that might threaten a coup.

    I also said there would be numerous polls putting support for Indy well over 50% but shy of 60% (the SNP’s own benchmark).

    In that way the rallying cry would be LOOK AT THE POLLS, LOOK AT THE POLLS.

    In between COVID, COVID, COVID.

    Hey ho.

    I now predict the Contents of Nicola Sturgeons Big Conference Speech – lets call it Nicla Bingo Speech Card…. If you win, you get to buy yourself a chocolate biscuit of your choice – don’t say I’m not good to you…


    (Players should tick off the subjects as they appear in Niclas Big Conference Speech (2021 version).

    LET ME BE CLEAR – with regards Scotland democratic deficit. Valid stats can be used and trust is created by presenting uncontested facts with the audience. A sense of mutual injustice against Scotland is shared.

    IN THESE UNPRESIDENTED TIMES / COVID – CHALLENGES WE ALL FACE – TOGETHER – allows for statesman like presentation, Leadership in times of crisis, Empathy in times of fear.

    GOOD NEWS – LOOK AT THE POLLS, LOOK AT THE POLLS – allows for her to say current lack of action is working, a steady as she goes policy, don’t scare the horses.

    UNITY – all voices of concern are BETRAYING INDY.


    COVID – justifies all lack of action on Indy


    I TRULY BELIEVE / WE’VE NEVER BEEN CLOSER / SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW – a smorgasbord assortment, plants seeds of hope, without the bother of an actionable plan ( and saves them having to look down the back of the sofa for a half million pounds thats Interwoven). Ensures that pursuing Indy is all about Faith and actual deeds and actions are not needed.


    GOLD STANDARD / S30 / NO WAY LONDON CAN KEEP SAYING NO, NO WAY THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL PUT UP WITH THAT OUTRAGE – keeps the audience happy as it reflects the audiences’ values back to the audience – has absolutely no effect on the powers that be in London, or the rest of the world.

    HOPE/ BELIEVE – SHOULD BE HELD / WOULD LIKE IT TO BE HELD – FIRST PART OF NEXT PARLIAMENT – REFERENDUM – a hint of action to placate the practical who are concerned, but no date set and the words, ‘hope’ and ‘should’ used widely as a get out clause.

    BUILD A COUNTRY THAT’S FAIR TO EVERYONE – head off all criticism of GRA/Hate Crime Bill by waxing lyrical about genuine Equality issues.


    BAD, BAD, BAD, PLEBISCITE ELECTIONS, UDI, UNLAWFUL, WILDCAT, CATALONIA…. keep all democratic eggs in the S30 basket.

    IRRESPONSIBLE / SELFISH TO CAMPAIGN NOW – COVID COVID COVID – number one excused for doing nothing about Brexit and Indy.



    THE DREAM SHALL NEVER DIE – she might actually have the brass neck to use this.



    So there we have it. Have I missed anything? Still time to add it.

    Oh, I know, unlike previous SNP Conference speeches by the leader – where the BBC always had ‘technical’ issues during recording, and ‘scheduling’ issues during reporting… I nearby predict, Nicla will give a barnstorming ‘hold, hold, hold’ type speech with just enough ‘somewhere over the rainbow’ in it and that the BBC will broadcast it – in full, and up front, Prime Time. Bet you another Choccie biscuit on it.

  179. susanXX says:

    Scarily possible Daisy Walker@10:29am.

  180. MaggieC says:

    An excellent article in the National from Joanna Cherry ,

    “ DEBATE is a good thing. So is democracy. So, I am looking forward to this weekend’s SNP Conference. My party has been dealt a strong hand and provided we play it well we should soon be commencing a second independence campaign. “

  181. Astonished says:

    Eerily I think you are going to be proven dead right – Daisy Walker.

    I think Nicola is being found out – can’t come soon enough.

    P.S. For those wanting unity – drop the genderwoowoo idiocy. Drop the Yusuf hate crime nonsense. Expel hamza Yusuf and SA somerville for bringing the party into disrepute ( The SNP have expelled people on much less). AND SET A DEFINITE DATE FOR INDYREF2 IN MARCH ( with the proviso that the MAY election victory will result in independence negotiations beginning- Plan B if you will).

    I predict none of this will happen and that is why the Murrells have to go.

  182. Strathy says:

    Excellent, Daisy!

    No doubt you are spot on.

  183. MaggieC says:

    The latest from Iain Lawson ,

    “ When it comes to problem solving, the SNP have abandoned all pretence it is a democratic process. As the nominations for office and the NEC closed, giving the leadership advance notice of who the main challengers would be (based on the number of nominations for each candidate)the rule book was being extended to provide more avenues for resisting moves by Party members to reclaim their Party. Another eleven pages of rules suddenly appeared as if from nowhere. “

    And from Iain’s post he links to this ,


    Vote for the ‘Good Guys’ and help the party get back on track and lets deliver Scotland’s independence.

  184. ScotsRenewables says:

    I note the ‘Good Guys’ list does not include many of the Common Weal Group candidates.

    I am suspicious of any self-declared ‘good guys’ list that does not inclide Joanna Cherry.

    Anyone got a complete CWG group list? The National has chosen to publish just half of it today.

  185. Doug says:

    Any doubts NEC? Try this:

  186. Hatuey says:

    Daisy, I don’t understand. There’s been a few bombshells and the rebellion is well underway.

    Why do you think they’re panicking and talking about independence, grouse, etc? The only reason they haven’t collapsed and crumbled is down to corruption in the civil service and a largely compliant and corrupt MSM.

    Actually, if we’re honest, we’d say the corruption has spread like a disease through the whole system. It’s always like that with corrupt governments though; the first thing they do is destroy enemies within their party, then they destroy party democracy itself so that nobody can touch them, then they corrupt all the institutions of government, then they start bullying society as whole and nobody can do a thing about it.

    If we have one big thing going for us it’s that there’s hardly any power to abuse in Scotland. And most of the MSM is foreign owned which means they can only control and manipulate so much.

    Getting back to the point though, there’s been a bunch of damning revelations recently. There’s been votes against them in parliament and Sturgeon has been caught lying/forgetting. More evidence has appeared pointing at a conspiracy and cover-up, and the only reason they’re all still there, as I said, is basically down to corruption and an abuse of the little power available to them.

  187. MaggieC says:

    Scotsrenewables @ 11.10 am

    The Snp good guys does have Joanna Cherry on their list as she standing for selection in the NEC Parliamentarians position . Here is the full list from the Snp good guys ,

    Heres the Common weal group list ,


    Personally I prefer the list from the snp good guys as i have my doubts about some of the candidates on the common weal group but that’s just my own opinion .

  188. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi ScotsRenwables.

    The “goodguys” link does show

    NEC Parliamentarians

    Joanna Cherry

    Neale HanveyB

  189. Tom says:

    here’s Robin McAlpine over on Common Weal (in case you missed the early morning link across from MorvenM):

  190. Daisy Walker says:

    @’Hatuey says:
    27 November, 2020 at 11:21 am
    Daisy, I don’t understand. There’s been a few bombshells and the rebellion is well underway’.

    The bombshells uncovered, have been slow in coming and few and far between, while Sweiney and co do all they can to obstruct. For most of the population there has been no revelations so far.

    Nothing that the Cult of Nicla can’t ignore or spin at this time, anyway.

    That was the point I was trying to make.

  191. Derick fae Yell says:

    Bob Mack says:
    27 November, 2020 at 10:14 am

    It looks like the only thing to open eyes in this situation is time. As time passes and she fails to deliver then more will move from her.


    When we get to 31 December 2021 and there’s been no referendum then the tectonic plates will begin to shift. We may as well gird our loins for the long game.

  192. Gary says:

    When a political party or an idea becomes so popular as to become almost endemic then the inevitable ensues. They begin to tear each other apart. Prejudices and biases emerge and mud is thrown. Do they know they’re doing it? Do they realise it’s what’s happened to EVERY major party at the height of its popularity and subsequently leads to its demise?

    I appeal to those doing the dividing to cease and desist, while we’re fighting each other we won’t get Indy.

    I full expect that those who would benefit most will understand this least..

  193. Brian Cahill says:

    The NEC, should be reformed, Peter Wishart and Alyn Smith, should be retired or dismissed. We need better representation and a strong unadulterated commitment to Independence.

  194. Robert says:

    I do see a future role for Alyn Smith. In the event of independence, we’ll need a good negotiator with the EU. Alyn Smith is known there, is well liked there, and has the competence to do a good job there.

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