Wings Over Scotland

Funny I’ve just asked the electoral commission if they are currently testing the independence referendum question. I’ll let you know when they get back to me.

Shysters the lot of them

They seriously need a good kick up the arse. As is apparent, the SNP/Scottish government have no intentions of holding an independence referendum, let alone winning one so if anybody around here has any kind of rational thought process, you have to ask yourself why you are voting for the SNP in the first place?

I said last night that I’m thinking about voting Tory because at least then I definitely know how bad they are unlike the sleekit SNP but I’m certainly not advocating that everyone votes Tory.

The only thing that will stop the SNP or change their mindset and get it back on track is for it to have its power taken away from it. I know the choice is limited but Scotland isn’t getting independence anyway, so why not vote for another party that’s not going to deliver independence either?

Labour or Tory, it doesn’t matter because they’re not going to deliver independence either but it’s time to send the SNP homewards, tae think again.

That’s the ONLTY language they understand. Nothing else is working.

Sold out – Stitched up – Parasites on the backs of Independence supporters – Absolute charlatans. I could go on, but I’ll just go have a sundowner (or two) with my wife.

Britnat civil servants. Why is Permanent Secretary Leslie Evans still in place in Holyrood?

link to craigmurray.org.uk

When I had a go at my MSP for the Party being useless with the media in 2014 the smug wee twat tried to fob me off. I knew then that the Party didn’t have a clue and wouldn’t get us Indy.
In my eyes anyone who thinks that the SNP will get us Indy are as moronic as the people who voted Labour.
We need a cohesive New Independence Party with only 1 policy or the only way Scotland becomes a nation is when England has used up all our resources and the Country is a wasteland

It’s actually very sad, we need independence urgently and the only folk in a position to deliver seem to have gone off the idea.

People at the top of the SNP are vastly overpaid.

😉

link to en.m.wikipedia.org

Here in NC, I telephoned the Department of Revenue on behalf of a client the other day. Normal hold time and a swift response. Then I went to the Division of Motor Vehicles to renew my car registration (the online app feels like it was designed by 9 year old). There were the usual five ladies behind the counter who dispatched business in their usual efficient manner. In a state with twice the population of Scotland, life continues with more normality and we have better COVID-19 stats than you do.

Meanwhile, the world knows that Scotland has become the first country to make tampons free for those who need them. Imagine how much more you could do without the yolk of Westminster. Beware, Scotland. You are being Trumpified. It’s just that Nicola Sturgeon is smarter about it than our soon to be ex president

I’d say “Happy Thanksgiving” but I don’t suppose many visitors to this site celebrate it.

Meant to say, haggis tomorrow.

For Sturgeon/Murrell and the clique, Covid-19 has allowed the SNP hierarchy to kick independence into the long grass. Of course, in reality Sturgeon hasn’t moved us one step closer to independence since she became FM, sadly she never will.

We all know in our own hearts, albeit the totally deluded faithful aside that is, that constant talk of Scottish independence only occurs from the SNP hierarchy when an election is close or Westminster takes something away from Scotland such as our EU membership.

The deluded faithful will say Sturgeon has a plan and she’s keeping it close to her chest, and just you wait and see next year, she’ll announce a date for an independence referendum and we’ll vote yes and we’ll be rid of Westminster, and Johnson forever, poor sods if it wasn’t so sad it would be funny.

Occams Razor says in this instance if there’s hardly anybody working on Scottish independence for the Scottish government then there’s virtually no chance at all that an independence referendum will be held next year. Cue the deluded oh yes it will she’s just doing it all in secret.

In reality we’re totally f*cked on the indyfront unless we can topple Sturgeon and Murrell. One thing I know for sure they wont be getting my List vote next year.

The SNP have no interest in a referendum. It is just a carrot to get another majority for them. Just ask yourself what they have done in the last 6 years to sell or promote the benefits of independence.

Nothing, complete radio silence almost. Like independence is an embarrassing relative they now wish they did not have and try to mention as little as possible without being seen to publicly disown them.

I am of the firm belief that the current (slightly increased) support for independence is essentially a protest vote against BREXIT and the slimy tory government epitomized none better by the repulsive chinless Michael Gove amongst others.

Increased support for YES can’t be the result of anything the SNP have been saying about Independence, because they have been saying nothing about it. It is all a result of dissatisfaction with Westminster. To rely on that ‘support’ to hold up should indyref2 come around would be very foolhardy. It will evaporate as nothing has changed since 2014, in fact we have gone backward.

Over that time the SNP have not invested in building any kind of increased perception that independence is desirable for any reason other than we are marginally less shit than Westminster, and that is even debatable (being marginally less shit). They left all the work done to rot in the fields this last 6 years.

It is an accident of fate that YES support increased and nothing to do with the SNP. If anything they have set it back. All of this will come to the fore if an indyref is granted. You reap what you sow and the SNP have sown fuck all for 6 years.

Team Nicola don’t make the case for it because they don’t believe in it.

“The only thing that will stop the SNP or change their mindset and get it back on track is for it to have its power taken away from it.”

Mist001.

The last thing we need is for any of Westminster’s branch office managers to become FM, they have a foreign powers interests at heart over the Scottish peoples interests. No what we need is a change of leadership within the SNP, the whole party isn’t rotten just a small group, cut out the fetid parts and the party will get back on track.

The difficult bit is removing the rotten sections, it takes time and effort, Sturgeon’s popularity is high not because she’s a good FM, no its high because Johnson is such a piss poor PM. The SNP membership must act, whilst we in the grassroots movements can act from the other end.

In the end though, I think it will come down to protests to get Sturgeon and Murrell out. Protests outside Holyrood and Bute House, if only the Scots had the famous French protesting spirit Sturgeon and Murrell might be long gone by now, and we might be on the verge of independence.

Denise says:
25 November, 2020 at 3:10 pm
Funny I’ve just asked the electoral commission if they are currently testing the independence referendum question. I’ll let you know when they get back to me.

I believe this has already been asked – they put it on hold when told by SG so it has not been tested yet.

Hmmmmm….

I wonder if “Lip Service” is a phrase that’s overused in relation to the SNP Government and its priorities?

Sad news about Diego.

Best footballer ever.

RIP

Final nail in coffin of SNP for me.
Time to vote a true Independence party in to Holyrood, if there is one left after May 2021.

“UNRELIABLE, unpredictable, and untrustworthy” – that’s the way Europe now views the UK, according to a new expert report.”

well it would appear we have friends in the EU who’d welcome us back in, there’s just one problem though, Sturgeon isn’t for turning her back on the union.

link to thenational.scot

@ Graeme Hampton at 4.47

The largest number of constituency candidates the Greens have ever put up is 3 – out of a potential 73. They’ve saved a couple of deposits.

Unless they get a windfall, I’d be surprised if they could afford many more. They also know they are very unlikely to win first past the post (doesn’t stop them trying in those 2 or 3 places, though), and so have always concentrated on the list.

So I doubt if you’ll get the requisite co-operation for your idea! (I would never vote for them anyway because of their misogyny and anti-science garbage.)

a wee point. The SNP did actually have to respect the result of the vote in 2014 for at least SOME time after the vote.

it wouldn’t have been right to still be producing white papers on something that had been settled until at least 2016. Even then the resulting GE put that back again when the SNP were seen to be punished.

So it’s not fair to be going on about 6 years of doing nothing. Two years maybe!

PS it’s good to know this information and pressure should be kept on.

It’s also possibly correct to say, the SNP would be fudding slaughtered if it started making noises right now about calling a defacto independence referendum in a few months time.

Part of the increase in support is because the people see those running the country as serious politicians, not activists.

I would ask people to consider @IndyScotParty for their 2nd vote.
They want Indy 1st.
They also want to protect Women and Children.

Sturgeon and Blackford complaining about overseas aid cuts but Yougov today has 57% of Scots backing overseas aid cuts and just 26% opposed. What a gift to the Tories ahead of the Holyrood elections next year!

link to twitter.com
link to twitter.com
link to yougov.co.uk

Doug @4.25 pm

What I mean is if people don’t want to vote SNP on the constituency then don’t vote bloody Tory or any other unionist party for heavens sake that
“Man in France” is suggesting. How is that going to help us? If you want to send SNP a message then losing some constituency seats but making them up with ISP or other won’t be a bad thing.

On list, vote ISP or the other one AFS depending on candidates on ballot.Again no voting Tory.

“because there’s a bug going around that 1.7% of the population has caught, over 96% of whom have survived it”

I never thought you’d be this dumb Stu.

Its a pandemic. Its killing a lot of people – 3 of my family have died of this so far, one was 30 years old. The reason it’s not worse? Lockdowns, distancing and ‘education’ of people on the causes of these diseases and their mitigation.

Your statement reads like a denier. 1% of Scotland’s population if its even that low … is? ~50000

Long covid is also evident where the damage is bad even for those with no bad symptoms.

Get educated.

Scotland should cut its foreign aid to England.

oil will not be treated by the UK as a Scottish export – OIL LANDED IN HOLLAND IS CREDITED AS AN EXPORT FROM LONDON AND THE SE OF ENGLAND. GREATER THAN 60% OF SCOTTISH OIL AND GAS IS TREATED IN THIS WAY TO PUT TOGETHER THE UK REGIONAL EXPORT STATISTICS

In a similar manner, most of SCOTTISH WHISKY IS CREDITED AS AN EXPORT FROM LONDON on the grounds that Diageo and other companies are registered for VAT there.

ELECTRICITY PRODUCED IN SCOTLAND IS CREDITED TO LONDON AND THE SE AND TO NE ENGLAND IF EXPORTED TO FRANCE OR IRELAND. DITTO GAS

There are several other gross inaccuracies in estimating Scottish exports arising from these adjustments. UK stats do not credit Scotland for trade in services (e.g. banking, tourism) and intangibles (e.g. financial investments or transfers)

But despite all of this Scotland has always had – even according to UK Government ‘adjusted’ statistics a MASSIVE QUARTERLY EXPORT SURPLUS

UK export statistics FOR ENGLAND SHOW MASSIVE QUARTERLY DEFICIT going back to the 1960’s – despite getting the credit for most of Scotland’s major exports using the adjustments above and others. WERE SCOTLAND’S REAL EXPORTS TO BE REFLECTED IN THE OFFICIAL STATISTICS THEY WOULD BE ‘OFF THE GRAPH’ COMPARED TO RUK

– see here for the 4 UK Nations latest ‘official’ adjusted statistics link to uktradeinfo.com
ALL PETROLEUM PRODUCTS CONSUMED IN SCOTLAND WERE TREATED IN THE STATISTICS AS AN IMPORT FROM ENGLAND.

and a blast from the past –

“It must be concluded therefore that large revenues and balance of payments gains would indeed accrue to a Scottish Government in the event of independence provided that steps were taken either by carried interest or by taxation to secure the Government ‘take’. Undoubtedly this would banish any anxieties the Government might have had about its budgetary position or its balance of payments. The country would tend to be in chronic surplus to a quite embarrassing degree and its currency would become the hardest in Europe, with the exception perhaps of the Norwegian kroner. Just as deposed monarchs and African leaders have in the past used the Swiss franc as a haven of security, so now would the Scottish pound be seen as a good hedge against inflation and devaluation and the Scottish banks could expect to find themselves inundated with a speculative inflow of foreign funds.”

The honorable yona 5.53pm. Hows about they put indy on their manifesto by a plebiscite election in may. Then people can vote 1 and 2 for them.

Confused @6.22pm.

And that’s why Scotland will never ever be allowed to leave this union.

I remember getting pelters here for saying I had sources telling me Sturgeon had no ‘secret plan’ and that most of the Civil Service were up to their eyes in Brexit stuff. That was before the pandemic.

The seven sods who were designated to shuffle paper and say how difficult it all was were not even full time. The whole exercise was a sham.

Now we have Sturgeon signing up to a free for all at Christmas with the UK government and guess what, the aftermath will provide opportunity for more hand wringing and martyrdom at the podium.’How can I deal with anything else when the people are dying?’

There are more extensive plans to delay the Holyrood election than there ever were to find a way to achieve Independence.

I see plastic toxic Rosa is telling everyone to wheesht and questions the motives of anyone dissenting from the enforced Christmas cheer. The same Rosa who has gone from Unionist Royalist to SNP machine in less than 6 years.

If she wasn’t so obviously brain dead one could wonder if she was up to no good but I doubt she even knows what the SNP stands for – or used to.

Not read through comments so no idea if anyone has mentioned this.

The highlighted section of that FOI at the top of this thread states that the Scottish Government announced in March 2020 that they had “paused work on a independence referendum” due to Covid blah blah blah.

Well, i may have missed it and i’m not being pedantic but i don’t recall any such announcement using those words or even sounding *anything* like what is stated in that highlighted section.

One thing i’ve learned about the snp under Queen Nic’s dictatorship is to focus on the words used, never trust them and always look for the hidden caveats/get out clauses.

“They really do think your heads button up the back, folks.”

I think they have proven that many times over

@ Alf Baird wrote on 25 November, 2020 at 6:44 pm:

“I’m no longer sure what the SNP nowadays are politically, but what is certain is they are definitely not Nationalists. If they were Nationalists they would never have wasted three successive Scotland majorities and still be sitting in England’s Parliament. Chancers.”

They are “progressives” and for progressive please see: Make it up as you go along.

Conservatives are busy compiling their petition for a Judicial Review. They have a 3 month time limit to submit a petition but if they want it heard before the May election it will have to go in this week. The debate today was an exercise in Parliamentary time wasting. A repeat from 3 weeks ago. I got a horrible feeling today that this isn’t about classic SNP political tactics. An effort to delay the fallout from the Inquiry beyond the election for electoral gain. But rather they really are trying to keep people out of prison. Will somebody tell Dornan the Greens were on the side of Independence and not Better Together.

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

Skip_NC at 4.27 pm says:

“Imagine how much more you could do without the yolk of Westminster.”

Eggsactly!

However, I don’t think we should count our chickens before they are hatched.

Me @ 8.13 pm , I posted this on the previous thread but there’s been so many btl comments today, here it is again in case anyone’s missed it ,

Re Harassment and Complaints Committee ,

Update from the Correspondence page ,

The Deputy First Minister wrote to the Convener on 24 November 2020 regarding the provision of documents to the Committee and witnesses at evidence sessions:

link to parliament.scot

The Committee received two communications from legal firm Levy & McRae, representing former First minister Alex Salmond, regarding the provision of documents to the Committee:

Email from Levy & McRae to the clerks 15 November 2020 ,

link to parliament.scot

Letter from Levy & McRae to the Convener, 20 November 2020 (198KB pdf)

link to parliament.scot

The Scottish Government are really determined to do everything they can to hold up submitting the evidence that’s required by the committee . So much for Nicola Sturgeon saying that they would be open and transparent with the Committee inquiry .

Predictions please, what’s going to happen to SNP? Will they go back to being a minor party?

BBC`s Gary Lineker on the sad news about Diego Maradona

`Hopefully he’ll finally find some comfort in the hands of God’

what a crass and juvenile thing to say.

Maggie,

The links in your 8.13pm above seem to go to the agenda.

Sunak smoke and mirrors.
Many tricks with his wording today.

It sounded like we have no money but here is a pledge of billions for
Everything and anything.

Any one surprised if they lied, miscalculated, or just u turn later?

I thought about the poor they say they will help?
Will that include the 3 million newly self employed who have had nothing
for 8 months and counting?
Low end civil servants to get £250 per annum.
Now with taxes, income and Nat Insurance likely to
be increased soon, that will take around £87.50 away straight off.
Buy anything and you have 20 % Vat tax taken off
Maybe -£33?
Are they left with less than £130 per annum?
Then there is inflation at 2% plus to contend with
And undoubtably that goes up with Brexit tariffs.
Those lucky people won’t have enough for a polo mint each week.

Well, it will be interesting to see what the Sturgeon loaylists make of that.

Not good news for the Unionist media and parties, however. They can hardly claim the SNP is obsessed by Independence, when they are clearly doing nothing at all about bringing it about.

OT 2Scott Findlayson, ‘BBC`s Gary Lineker on the sad news about Diego Maradona

`Hopefully he’ll finally find some comfort in the hands of God’

what a crass and juvenile thing to say.’

Well, maybe, but there’s many a footie fan been known to indulge in a bit of crass and juvenile… on the plus side, when its Gary Lineker’s time to meet his maker, we’ll all know he’s had his chips.

The reason it’s not worse? Lockdowns

Total rubbish, provide some evidence that strangling the entire country has saved a single life. In fact there is now studies that suggest that lockdown only prolongs the panicdemic and will even cause more deaths from covid. That is not even considering all of the collateral deaths from lockdown that lockdown fanatics conveniently like to ignore. I won’t even mention the turning of Scotland into a totalitarian state over a virus that is about as lethal as flu.

Educate yourself.

How many of you have been smoking crack! 🙂

I guess everyone knows whats required and this current SNP leadership wont be figuring in it , maybe everyone will learn from past mistakes (ie) allowing one party to assume the position of being ” The only game in town ” its said every day is a School Day let’s not ever repeat the same mistakes again .

Ayeright
eh you looking to buy some ?
HA Ha
just asking like

It is possible to run a US election all through Covid.It is possible for Boris to continue with Brexit. It is possible to prepare for an election next year.

However apparently it’s impossible for Scottish people to have a say on their future, due to Covid!

I take it everyone sees exactly what is going on.

The thing is Sturgeon and co are not being held to account and not being made to respond to their obvious indifference to independence and for the people who voted for them.
Why is the National asking questions????
That heavens for this site or we wouldn’t have a clue as to what is really going on.

Bipod. Using your opinion. Has every country in the world got Covid wrong?

Scotland is not an outlier! In fact we have been quite mild compared to some countries measures.

Covid is not a giant conspiracy. It is real. It is a killer. It would wipe out our hospitals if left to run rampant.

@Stu,

you canny think the `hands of God` is a religious reference and not a dig at his accidental hand ball against England in 86,

i`ve read the tweet and it could do without the last bit if genuine condolence.

bipod, you are now saying lockdown doesn’t work because they aren’t doing it properly and seem to be suggesting we need tighter controls on the movements of people.

But when you started you were arguing the opposite, and said; “I won’t even mention the turning of Scotland into a totalitarian state over a virus that is about as lethal as flu.”

See how I flipped you there? That’s Jedi stuff. I could probably talk you into becoming a transgender…

@ AYRSHIRE ROB

I vote in the Holyrood elections in May though. Now, you still didn’t explain why you’ll be voting SNP even though they have no intention of achieving Scottish independence.

From that, I can deduce two things. 1, You’re not politically astute and 2, you’re a secret Mrs. Murrell fanboy.

NO independence supporter has ANY reason to vote SNP because as they’ve proven time and again, they’re untrustworthy with anything, not even former members/colleagues. If you’ve followed this site, there’s about a million reason not to vote SNP.

So since none of the parties now are going to do anything about Scottish independence, then do something constructive with your vote. You have three parties to choose from instead of just one this time.

Get the SNP out of power, give them the kick up the arse they deserve and see how quickly they change. Then Scotland might have a chance of independence but I think that boat has sailed a long time ago. Too many open goals have been missed and they’ll never present themselves again.

@Big Jock

I have never said covid is a conspiracy, it clearly exists. But I don’t buy all the hype around it. Covid can be dangerous to people who are 80+ but frankly many things are to that demographic, for people under the age of 50 it is less lethal than the flu and that is a statistical fact.

And no I don’t believe that it would “wipe out our hospitals”, that has never happened anywhere in the UK despite the constant predictions. English hospitals were supposed to be overflowing in mid november and the nigthingale hospitals were meant to be full right now, but they remain unused and and icu usage is lower than normal for this time of year. You have been propagandized.

Contrary, Salmond has already submitted a full and detailed summary of his CoS defence case. I’ve read it and would guess you have too but let me know if you want the link and I will try to find it. It’s a lengthy document and basically spells out his whole defence at the CoS.

He isn’t required to pretend the court cases never happened and I don’t know how he could give testimony under oath at Holyrood without reference to evidence presented at those court cases.

As I understand it, there’s basically nothing to stop him saying whatever he likes at the Inquiry, except in terms of being careful not to identify or help identify anyone.

@Hatuey

I am saying that lockdown is not realistic outside of a laboratory setting. It is foolish and naive to believe that in the real world you can construct a lockdown tight (where nobody ever meets or interacts with anyone else) enough to stop a highly contagious virus from spreading in a place where it is already established. I know that you believe that if we had “proper” 6 week lockdown it would be gone it but you are just wrong. I am sorry you can’t understand my point.

Yes Scotland has been turned into a totalitarian state, totally out of proportion to the actual danger and it hasn’t really done any good anyway.

It would be interesting to know how many civil servants they had working on the GRA and Hate Crime Bill…

Sweden,Sweden,bloody Sweden.
Give it a rest will yi.
You could walk 50 mile a day for 5 days in Sweden and not come across a soul.Maybee a few raindeer.

Staying away from people ain’t hard man

Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
25 November, 2020 at 11:12 pm
“you canny think the `hands of God` is a religious reference and not a dig at his accidental hand ball against England in 86,”

Of course it’s a bloody reference to the handball. That’s not the same as a “dig”.

It’s a typical piece of Lineker irony – quite lovely and affectionate, I think.
‘Safe in the arms of Jesus’ and carried to that place by the ‘Iglesia Maradoniana Church’.

I once went on a two week walking/canoeing holiday in northern Sweden and northern Finland and met and seen and heard nobody. I doubt if I could do that now with all those folks that want to shield or self isolate.

Fair play to Lineker a moving tribute to Maradona.
I will never forget how he beat us in 1986 and the deep
disappointment throughout the British isles when our team was out of the World Cup.

wee monkey: “You do realise that Scotland is 109 times larger than Singapore and with a coastline of 18,672 kms compared to 193km right?”

LOL. I actually wasn’t aware of those details. I guess I’m one of those under-achievers.

Of course, that makes what Singapore has managed all the more impressive – and our handling all the more disappointing – since it’s much more difficult to contain disease where you have high population density.

I’m not sure the coastline is very relevant. It’s not as if we have more than a few ports that receive international travelers in Scotland. Despite our country being larger, I’d imagine our borders are easier to control.

Holymacmoses, it was also a comment on mad people inventing ‘realities’that others are damned to angrily and depresssingly investigate for the duration of the terms of the government doing the inventing.

twathater says:
26 November, 2020 at 3:47 am

…AS has asked for financial assistance to assist and enable the inquiry to reach a conclusion and has received NO RESPONSES to his question…

I feel quite sure if Mr Salmond needed help, he wouldn’t need to look very far to find it, and find it in abundance. I wonder therefor if there’s an element of principle in this.

This latest revelation about a team of 7 assigned to Scottish Independence just frankly beggars belief.

No wonder Sturgeon seized on COVID like a drowning man clutching at straws. In every possible theatre relating to Scottish Independence, the SNP has been a catastrophic disappointment.

Opportunities squandered, no Scottish Constitutional backstop, not one millimeter of purchase gained from Joanna Cherry’s landmark Court victories, our European Citizenship forfeited, (and yes, forfeited, not lost, because even a token resistance to Brexit would have derailed it).

The money is gone, the membership is in freefall, there’s NOBODY even working on an Independence Strategy.

Instead, we have a corrupt coterie of Nicola Sturgeon’s pals and sycophants finding all the time in the world to orchestrate a conspiracy to smear Alex Salmond and further themselves by doing so, and it only failed when examined by a jury…

The corruption of the Establishment and “system” bending backwards to protect the identities of the dishonest conspirators, but presenting not one single safeguard or protection to interrupt a false conspiracy against an innocent man coming to public fruition. Shameful!

And when these accustions are made, (not groundless accusations because they are cross referenced and sourced), is there any competent response from the SNP? Nothing. Escape and evasion.

Nothing but scathing derision from Cosy-Feet Pete, and the Dark Prince of the Wokeratti, Alyn Smith.

Waken up Scotland, before it’s too late. This cannot go on. Either we reclaim the SNP or we replace it.

But please, take a while to mull that prospect over… Don’t allow your mind to framed by the prevailing agenda. May Elections are predicated by Holyrood’s Scotland Act constitution (small’c’). A sovereign people can assert their own timeframe, and Hell mend Westminster AND Holyrood.

Suppose the plan is not to replace the SNP at Holyrood, but to replace Holyrood wholesale, root and branch, with a new Constitutional Parliament or Scottish Senate which draws it’s authority from the Scottish Nation’s founding Constitution which enshrines popular Sovereignty upon the Scottish People.

Sever our links with Westminster, sever our links with Westminster’s puppet government in Holyrood, and reconvene the TRUE Scottish Parliament not seen in Scotland since 1707, which answers to nobody except the Sovereign people of Scotland… A Parliament, which merely by sitting, challenges the Treaty of Union, and breach upon breach of the Treaty is no longer fudged by sophistry and expedient ‘unwritten’ convention, but is pursued to it’s explicit and binary Constitutional conclusion until the Treaty of Union collapses. The people of Scotland are Sovereign.

We DON’T make the SNP our enemy, but we do present them with an ultimatum. Stay in your cosy seat in Westmionster or Holyrood, the generous bosom of the Union, and languish in pointless irrelevance, or, denounce the Union, denounce it as breached in spirit, and come and join the Constitutional Scottish Parliament and be part of the process which finally puts this broken Union out of it’s misery.

Breeks.
Good post. The only thing I would say is when you say ” we DON’T make an enemy of the SNP”, it’s the SNP who has made themselves the enemy.

They are delberately destroying the hope and aspirations of a people and rather than freeing us from this corrupt union they seem determined to keep us shackled to it. So what is really going on here???

Does anyone on here truly consider Holyrood a continuation of the true Scottish parliament that closed in 1707 ?

@Graeme says:
26 November, 2020 at 9:01 am
Does anyone on here truly consider Holyrood a continuation of the true Scottish parliament that closed in 1707 ?’

I had not really thought about it, since I don’t really know what the auld government looked like. But is it not a moot point?

The weakness of the ‘Scots are Sovereign’ principle, is it needs a collective representation, deemed suitably legal/democratic to represent and negotiate on behalf of the Sovereign People.

In that regard, Holyrood will do just fine thank you… provided we ever get a chance to express our sovereign will at the ballot box, of course.

The real and only question is how do you determine the will of the sovereign Scottish people.

We should have seized upon Margaret Thatcher PM saying a majority of SNP MPs would be a vote for independence but perhaps it was so unlikely at the time we took it as she probably meant it , as a jibe.

What now? I would say a majority voting for Scottish parties with independence in their manifesto in any election would do it and forget UDI as we are not really a colony , but a declaration to the UN ?(

One of your articles (yesterday) made its way into the National today, well more of a to and fro between you and Daddy Bear.

link to thenational.scot

I’ve not been keeping as up to date as I should re the Sturgeon Inquiry.

Below is a wee segment from AS’s solicitors letter.

“It soon became apparent to our client that a significant number of these documents are completely irrelevant to the Committee’s remit.

“Additionally, neither we nor our client had received a material number of these documents before. This was in spite of formal recovery processes in both the Judicial Review and a warrant served on the Government in the criminal case [which led to a trail in March in which Mr Salmond was acquitted of sexual assault].

“A number of these could potentially have been of great assistance to our client.

We are considering the legal consequences of this with our client and with counsel.

“We have asked the Government for an explanation but they have not replied.”

Mr McKie said that four batches of documents had been approved for release between 13 and 19 November, making a total of 289 that ministers were free to pass to the inquiry.

The remaining 101 documents are expected to be checked by November 27, although two “remain missing”.

Leaving aside my tinfoil hat for now… bloody hell.

The Scot Gov – deliberately, failed to provide documents (in defiance of a court order) to AS’s solicitors which could have assisted in his defence.

Bloody hell. 2 crime types spring to mind – Contempt of Court and Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice.

And they are still at it….

‘our batches of documents had been approved for release between 13 and 19 November, making a total of 289 that ministers were free to pass to the inquiry.

The remaining 101 documents are expected to be checked by November 27, although two “remain missing”.’

More missing documents. Which have already been listed and entered into evidence in the court… what kind of idiot attempts to lose documents in these circumstances. Desperate stuff.

I wonder just how much evidence will be required before the penny drops with the NS loyalty brigade. Still ‘look at the polls’.

Some questions for the SNP

What tangible, coordinated actions/projects will you be undertaking (in a Covid appropriate manner) to build on the current high levels of support for Indy?

What tangible, coordinated actions/projects will you be undertaking (in a Covid appropriate manner) to ensure the Scottish voting public are aware of the Internal Market Bill Power Grab and the detriment it is to Devolution and Holyrood?

Given the negative publicity and the damage to credibility regarding the manner in which SNP Accounts have been produced – leading to reasonable grounds to suspect about half a million pounds of Indy Supporters money for Indy Ref2 has been Embezzled – what steps are being taken to rectify that ‘misconception’ between a legally recognised term of ‘ring fenced’ and more dubious ‘interwoven through’ (while the overdraft gets paid off) disclosure.

In the event of criminal investigation – can those who had the authority and responsibility to access this ‘ring fenced/interwoven through’ account be named at this time in order to facilitate a speedy enquiry and prevent unnecessary stress and stain on those not involved being suspected.

Alex Salmond was a serving member of the SNP when first wrongly accused – and then subjected to legal procedures ‘tainted by apparent bias’ – all while the SNP were in Government. His crowdfunder for legal assistance received widespread criticism from high up members of the SNP.

It has since been discovered that 2 serving members of the SNP have received legal funding from SNP funds, including the paying out of compensation. By what criteria is legal funding allocated? is the policy written down anywhere, who qualifies for this assistance, who decides if funds should be granted.

You will of course understand, that failure to produce/publish a policy of this nature, leads fully to suspicion of discrimination under employment laws – a perk for those and such as those, and only for them.

Since some form of policy (even if not yet written) clearly does exist – did AS qualify for this assistance? And if he did, and has not received it, have the SNP discriminated against him?

Concerns have been expressed with regards the professional/employment boundaries between Mr and Mrs Murrell.

What steps has Nicola Sturgeon taken to Recuse herself, and place other members of the SNP Executive in charge with regards her husband’s terms of employment, pay and reward, any disciplinary issues which may arise?

That’ll do to start with.

Is anyone else going to Conference?

If so, do they have a shortcut to times and procedures for voting?

I don’t have time to sit through endless virtual self-congratulatory pap as Saturday is my partner’s birthday and I have better things to do, but I do want to vote for Craig Murray for President and as many Common Weal and Womens Pledge candidates as possible.

A shortcut to times and procedures would be helpful. Otherwise I will try to post the same info here after I find out for myself.

Reason for delays of documentation requested could be to bog down Alex Salmond and drag review out into next years Holyrood election, assuming that even goes ahead. The hope being that he will be further tarnished in the MSM so that if he were to lead up a list party for independence, he would be shunned by anyone who hasn’t been following the committee outcome or reading Wings.It can’t all be about saving their own necks, can it?

Common Weal Group candidates are:

SNP CWG candidates selected are as follows:

Cllr Stephanie Callaghan
Robert Leslie
Ash Denham MSP
Catriona MacDonald
Sarah Masson
Joan McAlpine
Cllr Paul McLennan
Christine Graham MSP
Cllr Colm Merrick
Stuart McMillan
Tom Wills

CaltonJock has a list of all the ‘fundamentalist’ candidates worth voting for down near the bottom of this page:

link to caltonjock.com

Republicofscotland

That’s a reasonable and uncontroversial thing to say. Remember not all of the countries in the EU will be fully aware of the nature of the union. Once Scotland is independent as long as it was via a credible legal route and not via an armed uprising then the EU leaders are a pragmatic bunch and will welcome a new member. Even if they throw up their hands in horror they’re still going to trade with Scotland so we’d be no worse, and likely a lot better off than we are right now.

Stuart @11.01am.

Stuart.

I’m not concerned about EU nation’s trading with an independent Scotland, I’m more concerned that, will they recognise our independence in the first place if we do not get a S30 from Johnson.

@Stuart & republicofscotland

The international community is inherently conservative with a small “c”. It dislikes the prospect of conflict and uncertainty. It is also ill prepared and has little precedent for dealing with situations like Quebec, Scotland and Catalonia: in modern times it has chiefly been concerned with de-colonisation situations, violent conflict and the disintegration of multi-national states like the USSR and Yugoslavia.

In relation to our current situation in Scotland, this is another reason why the Scottish Government / SNP’s failure to address the legality of #indyref2 without a S30 Order is so pivotal.

The international community will, as others have mentioned, only recognise Scottish independence under certain circumstances. It would MUCH prefer it to happen as a result of a mutually agreed referendum on the same pattern as 2014. That is exactly why the #indyref1 process was so highly praised and held up as an example of how to do things. Things would therefore be relatively simple if we were being offered #indyref2 on the same terms as #indyref1, but we’re not.

We are now faced with a situation where we have to convince the international community that it is legitimate for us to change horses mid stream from using an agreed referendum as a mandate for independence, to using plebiscitary elections. Whatever clueless gradualists like Pete Wishart (or indeed British nationalists) say, both paths are equally legitimate. Indeed, referendums are historically and constitutionally a far less common route to independence than elections, constituent assemblies or simple parliamentary votes (à la Czechia and Slovakia).

The fact the non-referendum route might take longer to “socialise” with the international community generally, and EU in particular, is entirely the fault of the SNP for its wishy-washy approach to the principles of self-determination and its inherent gradualism. It is to all intents and purposes a devo-max party, not a party truly committed to real independence.

Just a thought. I noted somewhere on Twitter that Alex Salmond may be needing financial support, presumably because of the multiple delays cause by SNP government deliberately dragging their feet. My recollection is both Martin Keatings and Craig Murray had to extend their crowdfunders because of similar tactics.

If that is the case he needs our support. As I posted on the previous thread, Mr. Salmond is up against evil. (Rev and us as Voldemort!). The attempts by the SNP to humiliate, denigrate and publicly crucify him, all the time facilitated and encouraged by their pals in the MSM and BBC, should he launch a crowdfunder, is too much to ask of him.

Rev you have led the defence on here, particularly against the alphabet women, Smyth the woke leader, Garavelli/Wark/Smith et/al. You have previously said the resignation of Sturgeon for misleading Parliament is probably the only way to get rid of her and burst the dam. This inquiry is the only way to get that. If Mr. Salmond needs money to continue the fight to expose her we need to give it to him.

Rev, we know you are in contact with him. Is it appropriate to launch a Support Alex Salmond crowdfunder, via Wings, to achieve this goal? If at the end of the day he doesn’t need it, stick it in the fighting fund.

Pressure about costs should not be one he carries alone.

Ady Ellis @11.25am.

Andy insightive comment.

Breeks excellent diagnosis of the situation at hand,
I am truly exasperated when reading the comments on the most of our Scottish site, we seem to be happy to whisper behind our hands like coronation street gossipers, “have you heard what such an such did”, “ have you heard what so an so said”, For goodness sake Scotland wake up,
We know what the Snp are not doing for us, why heed them at all, we’re not snp subsidy junkies are we, waiting for our daily fix. Our daily gossip. On and on it goes, month after month, and year after year, we do the same, “Oh the snp have let us down,” Oh Westminster are mean, Oh the mainstream media are bad,
Why carry on, let’s just wait and see what someone else does tomorrow. Then we can talk about that.
Wake up. Your country is being raided of its assets, your youngsters are leaving home and Scotland, your devolution parliament is working against you and not, for the Scottish nation,
Your fisheries and coastline are someone else’s bargaining chips in a Brexit you didn’t vote for, your smaller farming industries are beginning to struggle, your jobs and work are disappearing,
Your sleep walking and talking into your own countries suicide. You will be no more, you will not exist in a few months or a years time,
You the people have the sovereignty of choice what to do, and how to save the country you go to bed in at night, You.
I make no apologies for giving you all a kicking up the backside, to wake you up.

Effijy – Also, every match in 1966 was played at Wembley. Very unusual, even for a host nation, to get to play all their games at their recognised home stadium. Argentina in 78 also played in Rosario. France in 98 played all over the country. Many other examples. Happened in Euro96 too. This never gets mentioned.

Twathater Good to hear you are at least trying to think your way out of the situation that most others here are ignoring,
It may not be the route I personally would choose at this late point in time not because I disagree with you, but rather due to the lack of time we have, we should have tried this as one of our routes when the Brexit election was newly done, along with naming why acts of the treaty of the union has been broken by Westminster’s governments over a long period of years.
All these methods cost precious time, and due to missed opportunities by Holyrude and the snp whom had many mandates from us all,
We the sovereign people of Scotland now must act, we cannot wait on Scottish politicians whom seem to be happy with a high esteem job that is well paid and secure during covid,
While the rest of Scotland is suffering untold financial difficulties and have no voice.
I admire anyone whom like yourself, breeks, Ben and a few others, are looking for solutions for all Scots to have the right to self determination of the nation of Scotland.