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New Labour Pundit Of The Year

Posted on November 10, 2016 by

Regular readers of this site will be impressed, if perhaps less than astonished, at the new high score achieved this week in the timeless game of McTernan Predicts:



It followed an unbroken line of epic forecasting inexactitude for the former Labour spin doctor and ever-present media pundit, stretching all the way back to 2010.

On Brexit:



On the 2015 Labour leadership election:


On Jim Murphy’s stint as Scottish Labour leader:

On the aftermath of the indyref:


On ex-Tory Douglas Carswell of UKIP forcing a by-election in Clacton in 2014:


(Carswell romped home with an increased vote share of almost 60% and an increased majority of over 12,000.) On the 2015 general election in Scotland:


And in the UK as a whole:




On the 2016 Australian elections, won by Malcolm Turnbull’s Liberal Party:


On the 2011 Scottish Parliament elections, just three months before what turned out to be the SNP’s unprecedented landslide and majority:

On what would(n’t) happen after he got that one spectacularly wrong:

And on the previous Labour leadership election:


[EDIT November 15] And finally, on last Friday’s big match:


But the President Of Wrongness can’t afford to rest on his laurels. Because there’s a hungry young turk in town (where “in town” means “the Mail on Sunday, the Telegraph and on telly”), and he’s been quietly building a track record over the same period to show he’s got the chops for the challenge.


(If you have no idea who Barry Goldwater was, like we didn’t, he was the Republican candidate who got hammered by Lyndon B. Johnson in the US Presidential election of 1964, the year after the assassination of John F. Kennedy.)






Of course, there’s also a rank (and we mean that in every sense) outsider:








This site is poorly qualified to judge such an august title, of course. As well as not being New Labourites, we called the 2015 UK election right from 2012, we called the possible loss of the SNP’s Holyrood majority almost nine months ahead of the 2016 election, we called Brexit right as far back as 2014 and we called the US election right from 2015 onwards.

So we thought we’d hand it over to you to pick the winner.

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  1. gordoz says:

    After directing Die Hard all his work went downhill 🙂 🙂 🙂

  2. gordoz says:

    OK Rev Put the hammers down …’ promise to never do that joke again.

  3. Greannach says:

    I agree Dan Hodges is a world class humourist and the only reason I didn’t vote for him is that I’ve never heard of him. I didn’t choose Duncan Hothersall because he seems to be going flat out for laughs in an attempt to reel in a sympathy vote. I chose John McTernan because he has an inter-continentally unrivalled record.

  4. Dave Hansell says:

    Let’s hear it for Jonah John McTernan.

    The only question remain in is why is it you can never find a whale when you want one?

  5. Grouse Beater says:

    Torrance the Terrible should be on that list of dunces.

    But the point is made. The right-wing of all parties is desperate to control Scotland again, and will do and say anything to achieve it, even to looking like a complete idiot predicting crap in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

  6. Jim Mitchell says:

    Of course they will have learned their lesson and will stop doing it now!

  7. gordoz says:

    Tried to vote again … thwarted – damn it !!

    Too much like democracy on here !

  8. ScottishPsyche says:

    Their credibility appears to be their proximity to those in the know and the Mikado type titles conferred on them – McTernan and Blair, Hodges and his mum, Duncan and Kezia (!)

    sif we are talking credibility here, should we not have Fred Goodwin on as a pundit talking about the economy?

  9. Scott Borthwick says:

    Impressive from Dan Hodges, but McTernan is peerless in this field. You’ve not even touched on his Australian adventures.

  10. Merkin Scot says:

    ‘…..throwing hedgehogs at a dartboard’
    Are we going for the UKIP vote?

  11. Bill Hume says:

    I want them all to win…except that poor blind monkey.

  12. Proud Cybernat says:

    It’s all just the chattering polictical classdes talking to and among themselves. They have no fucking clue just how much Scotland has REALLY changed. Long may they fail to realise that simple fact and remain the bunch of sad losers they are.

    Scotland has awoken from its Labour-induced coma. And won’t be going to sleep again any time soon.

  13. Macart says:

    Ooft! 😀

    Not the greatest record is it?

    More importantly, has Mr McTernan paid up on his wager yet?

  14. Ken500 says:

    Or Davidson/Dugdale/Rennie/Harvie always insulting people asking ridiculous questions and always getting it wrong. Davidson give it up. Your double standards are showing. Westminster Tories unfair taxes 40% taxes on the Oil and Gas sector. Losing thousands of jobs and £Billions in Scotland. Davidson the joker card. The Chinese are is getting £Billions of UK taxpayers to build Hinkley Point and HS2. Wasting £Billions of funds. Double standards. The arguments are ridiculous

    Dugsdale is certainly not working for free. The most expensive jollies on taxpayers money. The 3rd rate, unelected unionists rejects. The most useless expense in Parliament. Attacking Education/NHS indefinitely.

  15. Ian Brotherhood says:

    ‘Every 1’s A Winner’ –

  16. Arbroath1320 says:

    I can’t wait until indy ref 2 … just so as we can all experience the “TRUTH” from messers McTernan, Hothersall and Hodges. 😀

    The never ending s***e emanating from the “hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil” gang of three will be a never ending source of welcome light comedic relief from the non stop s***e being put about by Scruffy Fluffy and co. 😀

  17. kailyard rules says:

    Nostraternan strikes again.

  18. Bugger (lePanda) says:

    It ha to be McTernan by a cuntry mile.

  19. Effijy says:

    Dear Manic McTernan,

    My Lottery numbers for this week are: 3,6,9,16,27, and 36.

    I would be very much obliged if you could get yourself back on the BBC to predict that these numbers just could never ever come up, in a month of Sundays.

    Your sincerely

    Spendingit Already

    Labour actually pay this clown a wage!
    Maybe explains why they are dead in the water.
    Please look into extending his contract.

  20. Proud Cybernat says:

    Pundits given a loud-hailer by the BBC to try and shape opinion (rather than reflect it).

    And the people just aren’t listening to them because IndyRef#1 opened their eyes to the endless, craven lies they spout. It is truly risible. Best laugh is they STILL come out with this guff expecting people to suddenly forget all they have said and done and trust them. They still think of themselves as being ‘influential’ failing to see how the landscape of Scotland has changed beyond any recognition. Their purile, wayward mutterings amount to nothing more than a wet fart looking for someone who’s not already holding their nose.

    They don’t see the people of Scotland are finsihed with them, taht we have moved on and are seeking a better future without them; a better future they themselves promised us for decades–and never delivered. But, of course, even if the could have delivered such, they never actually would deliver for taking people out of pverty, educating them, moving them away from working class Labour voters would simply never do. Keep them down, keep them poor–it’s the Labour way.

    No more. Scotland will take charge of its own reins, there is nothing surer. It is only a matter of time, by no later than 2020. And Mystic McTernan–you can definitely bank on THAT!

  21. mealer says:

    I voted for the blind monkey,but I was getting hedgehogs mixed up with moles.

    On a more serious note,part of the Brexit and Trump victories is due to a reaction against McTernan and his ilk.

  22. Stoker says:

    Just in case you’re wondering, i voted for the blind monkey.
    Under no circumstances would i ever waste a vote on any of that lot.

  23. Bob Mack says:

    In Greek mythology. the God Apollo gave Cassandra the daughter of the King of Troy the power of prophecy with the twist that she would never be believed by anyone. I think John McTernan has been visited by Appolo somewhere down the line and the gift given to Cassandra has been reversed.especially for him.

  24. Robert Peffers says:

    @Jim Mitchell says: 10 November, 2016 at 11:57 am:

    ” Of course they will have learned their lesson and will stop doing it now!”

    Does the Pope shit in the woods?

    Wait a minute!

  25. Calum McKay says:

    Stuart there is a limit to mocking the afflicted, but I think we can all agree and make an exception in John McTernan’s case.

    John McTernan sums up what is wrong with labour in Scotland and labour Scots in London. However I suspect McTernan would be onject to being called a Scot and prefer to be called british.

  26. Brian McGrath says:

    Looks like someone needs to find a new job.

  27. Dan Huil says:

    But the britnat media thinks very highly of McTernan. Says it all really.

  28. Les Wilson says:

    McTernan? was he not some sort of political analyst? the BBC seems to point out he is worth listening to anyway, and they should know?. oops!

  29. John H. says:

    Does McTernan make predictions outside of politics? There’s a fortune to be made here folks.

  30. Arbroath1320 says:

    Just a wee heads up folks.

    For those, like me, who have not watched the weekly Yoon put down show a.k.a. First Minister’s Questions don’t be too alarmed. From all the tweets I’ve seen it is basically just ONE question rehashed a multitude of ways … apparently.

    What’s that?

    What is the question?

    Well without giving too much away it’s all about someone wrecking your house then complaining because your house is a mess … apparently. 😀 (borrowed this from a tweet I read not my own thought provoking statement … sorry 😀 )

  31. One_Scot says:

    If McTernan ever says, ‘Scotland will become Independent’, that’s the time to panic.

  32. carjamtic says:

    Don’t like to be judgemental,but do enjoy sticking pins in wee puppets (laughs maniacally),statistically Americans are more afraid of clowns than terrorists….is that why there was a such low turnout ?.



  33. Jack Murphy says:

    OT. The Tory Party.

    UN Human Rights. People in UK with Disabilities.
    Evidence of “grave or systematic violations of rights of people with disabilities” – UN Committee report @lizmt

  34. Robert Peffers says:

    I posted this on the previous thread but it seems more relevant here :-

    Read an item on BBC Ceefax this morning that gave me reason to have a wee chuckle to myself but then realised it illustrates just how the BBC propaganda sometimes works.

    The item states, under the headline :-

    “Guides and scouts ‘gain boost for life’.”

    People who were in the scouts or guides in childhood have better mental health in later life, a study suggests,

    Analysis of a study of 10,000 people found ex-members were 15% less likely than other adults to suffer anxiety or mood disorders at the age of 50.


    Now there is nothing whatsoever wrong with the study nor with the scientific data. The error comes in the supposed scientific conclusion drawn from analysis by the BBC headline writer.

    Their conclusion is not in the item itself but is in the headline that states, “Guides and scouts ‘gain boost for life’.” They do nothing of the sort.

    The headline claims that by joining the scouts or guides it will give the recruit better mental health. However, the text in the article says nothing of the sort, for the proper conclusion, by anyone with a real scientific background would arrive at a quite different, and more correct, conclusion.

    The correct conclusion is that the type of person, who joins the scouts or guides is the type of person more likely to have better mental health in later life.
    Ergo, they do not gain it by joining the organisation because they are already predisposed to have better mental health at age 50.

    Furthermore, it shows that the kind of person who does not join such quasi-military organisations is more likely to not be predisposed to have better mental health at age 50.

    However, neither correct conclusion has concluded the organisations have anything whatsoever to do with the matter of better mental health.

    This illustrates the sheer lack of investigative skills of the BBC, self styled, journalists and more so of their headline writers.

  35. mike cassidy says:

    Mcternan The Prophetless rides again!

    Behind a firewall, obviously.

    A pity, because it starts so sadly!

  36. Neil Cook says:

    Cmon you could have more questions
    Who wrote the biggest piece of nonsense
    Who is Scotland biggest dunce reporter/ Commentator
    Who resembles pinnochio
    Who takes it up the jacksie from Wooth

    If you’re going to let us vote let’s have a real laugh at their expense !!

  37. heedtracker says:

    If Macternan predicts an England win tomorrow…woohoo!!!

    He does threaten to chin you if you’re cheeky to him though.

  38. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    McTernan is a deluded fool @ mike cassidy says at 1:15 pm if he truly believes:

    “Donald Trump hasn’t destroyed the political centrism of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. He’s turbo-charged it”

    Tony Bliar (no typo) and Bill Clinton destroyed their own ‘political legacies’ by being greedy and getting caught out as hypocrites.

    Bliar (no typo) & Clinton’s centrism/legacies were marketing constructs which the electorate now see through, nothing more.

    However McTernan still makes a few quid spouting this pish so he’s maybe not that daft.

    Well no where near as daft as the editors and producers that invite him on and pay his wages.

    Labour Party members (Scotland & UK) still among that list of dafties paying his wages?

    I’m sure Corbyn thinks it value for money, anyone know or is it an FOI job??

  39. Grey dug says:

    Altogether now:

    One John McTernan, there’s only one John McTernan,
    One John McTernan, there’s only one John McTernan.

    I dread the day that he predicts Scottish Independence. Hopefully it will never happen – his prediction I mean, not independence, obviously.

  40. Craig P says:

    I recall Iain McWhirter calling the financial crash from about ten years out, citing overheated house prices as the reason.

    At the other end of the scale, McTernan is the veritable King Kong of Wrong, the Oracle of Error, the Nostradamus talking out his anus. The others aren’t in the same league.

  41. Murray McCallum says:

    You have done a great service for TV researchers.

    Every time McTernan is introduced on the TV as a pundit they should run through this record.

  42. heedtracker says:

    Dunc’s a poet. From the crew what vomited Project Fear over their Scotland region of greater England, 2014. It was all for our own good though, terrifying just enough Scots away from running Scotland.

    Duncan Hothersall ?@dhothersall 6h6 hours ago
    Yes, we have to listen to people’s genuine concerns. But if they are based on lies, we have to counter the lies, not buy into them. Surely?

  43. shiregirl says:


    I amn’t getting email alerts from Rev anymore re new posts.

    Not my computer…

    What do I do to get back on the list?

  44. CameronB Brodie says:

    Why do you persist in bring politics in to the arena of social science. You’re an ignorant ideolog who does nothing to benefit Scotland’s well-being.

    Done anything to improve your self-awareness and comprehension of equality issues?

    “The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural and political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

    “The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

  45. Chic McGregor says:

    That would be Pundit Zero I take it.

    Unless, of course, his real plan is to destroy all left of centre movements everywhere in the World.

  46. Bob Mack says:

    Watching the great unrest in America is like watching our own country. Many cannot believe that they elected a President who finds it OK to mock the disabled in public and who talks of cutting ties in trade and defence with the rest of the world.

    They talk of fascism, xenophobia and everything else we have rejected coming from England.

    Times of great upheaval are ahead and mostly dependent on this man who is taking over the White House.

  47. Proud Cybernat says:

    “If McTernan ever says, ‘Scotland will become Independent’, that’s the time to panic.”

    Well, even a broken clock is right twice per day.

  48. Clapper57 says:

    Hodges and McTernan are like the WORSE tag prediction team EVER!

    Hothersall …..the lone whinger on repeat…the denier in denial denies what is actually undeniable.

    Obviously true that political prophets are so ten a penny and are now so easily defined as being lying biased f**ks and well….frankly are just mere wishful thinkers bearing false witness to deflect from both the reality and truth of any situation they themselves are opposed to.

    A tried and tested formula now proving futile and risking ridicule when results they predict are constantly proven to be oh so deliciously WRONG…again and again and again.

    Glad that they are all drowning in the exact ( tee-hee ) science of astrological predictions rather than predictions based on actual measured ,truthful, realistic and intelligent reasoning.

    Predictions of Titanic proportions ….Wahahaha …..

  49. David says:

    Rev Stu, are you accepting postal votes for this question?

    If so, do I send them first to Buffalo Ruth for scrutinising…


  50. heedtracker says:

    CameronB Brodie says:
    10 November, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    You may as well say “The right to development is an inalienable human right” to a golden retriever Cameron.

    Everything SLab dudes like Dunc do and say is all to stop Scottish democracy. Its that simple. Just the idea of a Scotland not run by our chums in the south is so unacceptable to theses guys, its infected everything they say and do.

  51. Desimond says:

    It must be great to have that ability to just “shake it off” when a result is exactly opposite what you have been championing so strongly for and acting as if you are an actual expert in your field.

    Forget fracking, if we can mine what their necks are made off, the mineral rights will have us all millionaires!

  52. CameronB Brodie says:

    British Labour. Even their name contains the ideology that denies my humanity.


  53. iheartscotland says:

    Ok, ummmm, is the blind monkey left or right handed?
    Is it throwing with its non preferred hand?
    Jeez, who am I kidding, we all know it’s not the blind Monkey….

  54. stewart fae stoney says:

    Clinton was winning till Dugdale and McTernan went accross the pond to give her their support, Please please please Mc Ternan please predict England will win on fridays football

  55. Jack Murphy says:

    First Minister’s Questions.
    Now Archived and available to view.
    Scottish Parliament TV:

  56. Fred says:


  57. K1 says:

    Thanks Jack 😉

  58. heedtracker says:

    CameronB Brodie says:
    10 November, 2016 at 2:06 pm
    British Labour. Even their name contains the ideology that denies my humanity.


    It’s just power, British power. They dont want to give up British power, well anywhere really that threatens their power. Its partly why Brexit won, on empty UKOK bullshit. Dunc and Macternan are merely spokes berks for that great British power, as it props itself up with WMD’s, special relationship fantasy and usual Graun bollox like this.

    Scotland FM’s in action but almost completely smothered under rancid The Graun’s vote SLab routine.

    “There are similarities between Trump and Corbyn, says Thornberry”

    Severin Carrell UKOK shits you not.

  59. Ken500 says:

    The ‘Special relationship’ – a common language – illegal wars, banking fraud and tax evasion – massive debt.

  60. Sweep says:

    Ah, choices, choices. NostraDumbass, Mystic Mug or the NOracle.

    After much thought, and given his work record spread over three continents now, it has to be ND McTernan.

  61. Chic McGregor says:

    The electorate thinks politics is too important to be left to the politicians.

    The politicians think democracy is too important to be left to the electorate.

    The pundits think their theories are to important to be debunked by mere facts.

  62. Craig P says:

    The others are bad, but McTernan is a veritable King Kong of Wrong.

  63. HandandShrimp says:

    Tough call but John has an unerring deftness of touch that is hard to top. Duncan is possibly his protégé?

  64. Big Jock says:

    Just as well he is not employed by Ladbrokes. He would bankrupt them!The thing that amazes me is that he keeps getting things spectacularly wrong, but then keeps doing it. People in the media have him on as some kind of insightful political guru!

    The guy is a dunderhead!

  65. CameronB Brodie says:

    Indeed. Neo-fascist minions.

  66. Sweep says:

    I know this is about political event predictions, but could there be a special certificate of merit awarded for “Most Gobsmacking Guff in Any Category”.

    If so, I would humbly submit MacTernan’s wise proposal to merge the Fire Service with the Police because:

    “There’s no fires any more”

  67. CameronB Brodie says:


  68. harry mcaye says:

    I spied Alex Johnstone at FMQs today, looking quite yellow. Don’t know if it was my set but he didn’t look well, quite gaunt. I thought he had quit Holyrood recently?

  69. scotsbob says:

    Why does McTernan get invited on to so many programmes to give his opinion when he is always so hopelessly wrong?

  70. heedtracker says:

    CameronB Brodie says:
    10 November, 2016 at 2:48 pm
    Indeed. Neo-fascist minions.

    Or just loyal Brits, they say. Loyal Brits who do not want their country changed in any way whatsoever. Its why they are the red tories, fundamentally.

    Look what it makes them do. Latest tory Britnat horror show, they tried to destroy that possible £12bn China deal. Why? What’s good for Scotland is not good for their Britain.

    Or look at Dugdale, throughout all the extraordinary struggle for same sex marriage and legal rights in Scotland, she kept completely schtum, not a peep. Then just before the last Scots GE, tahda!

    All because it makes Scotland a better country to live in and that just cant happen for the Britnats.

  71. Luigi says:

    Big Jock says:

    10 November, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    People in the media have him on as some kind of insightful political guru!

    Well he is! 🙂

    100% is 100%. 🙂

  72. Mike says:

    The US voter had an easier choice than this.

  73. Proud Cybernat says:


    The Home Wreckers…

  74. louis.b.argyll says:

    McTernan has a negative pundit rating.

    Never on the button.

    Always wide of the mark.

    Ill-informed reason.

    A fanny-balls reputation.

  75. Dougie Bee says:

    Can we no dae a crowdfunder to buy that poor blind tree dweller a proper set o darts..
    as a wee Chrissy pressie…
    Nay need for a dart board, it could use either mcturnoff’s ba face, or duncs fat arse as a target….
    Wha’s hodgy boy..never heard o him…..

  76. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    I believe @ louis.b.argyll says at 3:39 pm

    That it is pronounced ‘Fanny-Bawz’ in the venacular 🙂

  77. liz says:

    O/T After watching FMQ’s I really cannot stand either Ruth Davidson or Willie Rennie.

    Ruthie is an obnoxious sneering hypocrite& wee Wullie is a buffoon.

    Any journalists worth their salt would tear both of them apart, metaphorically

  78. Bob Mack says:

    So Theresa May signs a similar trade understanding with China today for £10 billion Could this be the deal the Tories tried to stop up here in Scotland?

    Make up your own mind why they would do that.
    I know fine well why they fought it. They are not Scottish after all. UK comes first.

  79. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    The Home Wreckers… @ Proud Cybernat says at 3:38 pm

    Thank F**K @ you didn’t mock up the Ruthenfuhrer as Miley Cyrus astride thon big baw, (boak).

  80. Ken500 says:

    Edward Snowden might be able to go home now and Assange can leave the Embassy, for telling the truth. Warmongering Democrats mad, untruthful, illegal obsessions.

  81. velofello says:

    I voted for Hothersall because I don’t want him to be downhearted by a poor poll and quit. He’s like a cork in the ocean – persistent, bobbing up and down, to no effect.

  82. Greannach says:

    Couldn’t the state save a fortune by abolishing the Met Office and getting Winner McTernan in to predict the weather?

  83. Heidstaethefire says:

    This is a methodologically unsound poll. Why can’t I vote all of the above( except the hedgehog)?

  84. ronnie anderson says:

    McTernan should hiv ah column named Prediction from ah Bar Stool everywan ah Clanger

  85. Muscleguy says:

    @Robert Peffers

    This scientist agrees with you. At one stage my father ran the local scout troop, my mother the guides. I? I went to Boy’s Brigade AND St. John. This was all in a thoroughly middle class area of Dunedin, NZ.

    A fellow kid I knew in BB lived in a ‘difficult’ home adjacent to said area, from the dank, rarely visited valley down the back. This boy grew up to be NZ’s Most Wanted, yes really. He was a bit of a bampot back then aged 8 and BB didn’t do much to knock the hard edges off him, reputedly his Dad did that. He and another boy I knew, nice young lad, robbed the local post office. Bampot’s shotgun discharged into the counter as he leapt it.

    He ended up ‘going bush’ a bit like ‘Hunt for the Wilderpeople’. He topped himself in Mt. Eden nick, suspected of having murdered a woman.

  86. bugsbunny says:

    It’s just occurred to me. I should have asked David Arnott if he comes from Ayrshire. I remember a Dave Arnott who worked in I.T. at Auchencruive Agricultural College in Ayr. From what I know of him, if that’s the same guy, is that he was an obnoxious right wing Anglophile Tory, obsessed with apping his betters. Was/Is a member of Ayr cricket Club and is partial to a game of crocket. I wonder if it’s him?

  87. CameronB Brodie says:

    The Democrats were originally the party that supported slavery, it was the Republicans who opposed it. The Republicans appear to have changed their position to support a model of ‘post-modern indentured labour’. I’m sure not if the Democrats have changed their position though. 😉

  88. CamernoB Brodie says:

    Muscleguy & Robert Peffers
    How on earth did this study prove a causal link? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

  89. John White says:

    John McTernan is excellent in this role. My only fear is that he becomes self-aware and his talent is spoiled.

  90. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    CamernoB Brodie says at 4:50 pm

    “How on earth did this study prove a causal link? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.”

    What, like the results of a BLiS listening exercise.


  91. fletch49er says:

    Damn you Rev! Having the word hedgehog near the name Dan Hodge has my dyslexia seeing Dave Hedgehog now! (wasn’t he a character in Bottom?)
    Dan Hodge will forever be Dave Hedgehog! 🙂

  92. CameronB Brodie says:

    Muscleguy & Robert Peffers
    Did you know that the “business-cycle” is a fallacy? Incorrect analysis of data and wrongly identified correlations. There are still folk who think it is a fact of nature though.

  93. Morgatron says:

    Laugh , i nearly shat.

  94. cearc says:

    How about a real challenge Stu and everyone else.

    Can you find any correct McTernan predictions/guesses/wishful thinking or whatever?

    I’ll offer a second hand ‘Alert Reader’ badge for the winner.

  95. Dan Huil says:

    McTernan – because he’s ugly.

  96. Vestas says:

    The amazing thing is that there are still people who’ll pay McTeacake for his “advice”.

    Goes to show that most politicos are basically thick as pigshit….. 🙁

  97. louis.b.argyll says:

    Jockanese Wind Talker says:
    10 November, 2016 at 3:54 pm
    I believe @ louis.b.argyll says at 3:39 pm

    That it is pronounced ‘Fanny-Bawz’ in the venacular..

    aye, I translated it into Morningside, in case any pundits are lurking.

  98. Bill says:

    Are you saying if I had stuck in at school for 5 more minutes I could have been….

  99. handclapping says:

    Dunky as he’s sitting there saying ‘At least it wont be me!’ 😀

  100. Macart says:

    I see on Rev’s twitter feed that Mr Torrance has chipped in his tuppence worth on Murdo Fraser’s idiotic tweet earlier.

    They both wonder why they are held in such low esteem y’know. Two Tories sneering at the very folk they want trust from. One wants your vote the other wants you to listen and take him seriously, both lost as to why neither is likely to happen.

    To both I would say, its simply because you don’t care about your fellow human beings. You are empathy free zones and it shows in everything you say and everything you do.

    Simple as that.

  101. ian murray says:

    Mc Ternan makes the weathermen look like geniuses
    I blame the people who keep trotting him out when he is clearly past his sell by date
    Common John, one more prediction, go on you can do it

  102. Jock McDonnell says:

    @Jockanese Wind Talker
    Ruthenfuhrer as Miley Cyrus astride thon big baw, (boak)’

    I see what you tried to do there 😉

  103. Bob Mack says:


    It is more than they don’t care. They exhibit absolute contempt for those people who dwell in housing schemes. They are nothing to them but a vote. Sure they will come to your door at election time with promises of a better life but underneath their breath they are thinking you are dull uneducated and beneath them..

    You are to be used to further them and their party brand of politics and you will be too stupid to question it or see the road they try to lead you down.

    They are despicable.

  104. Sandy says:

    He should be titled ‘the Seer Mcternan’.

    All interviewers should end any question to him with an imploring ‘tell us the future, oh great seer!’.

    After his reply they should throw up their hands and proclaim ‘the oracle has spoken!’

    Couldn’t be any more ridiculous than actually granting him some credibility and letting him speak on the telly in the first place.

  105. heedtracker says:

    He’s speaking in toungues again. Who’s got tomorrow’s C4 7pm news for his next public display of national tv fcukwittery? “Well, Jon, I think its safe to say the Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have shown the world that its not really what you say, its the way that you say it…”

    John McTernan ?@johnmcternan 6h6 hours ago
    Donald Trump hasn’t destroyed the political centrism of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. He’s turbo-charged it

  106. Macart says:

    @Bob Mack

    A lack of empathy and an overabundance of contempt.

    Sounds about right.

  107. Muscleguy says:

    @CamernoB Brodie

    I did not say there was a causal link and neither did Robert. We both argued against that interpretation.

  108. chris kilby says:

    Nostrabamus or Nostradumbass? YOU decide!

  109. MacCumhail says:

    Anyone else remember the episode of Seinfeld where George realises he is an idiot and decides to do the exact opposite of what he thinks he should do in any situation. Maybe McTiernan should watch that one. What an utter buffoon he is.

  110. CameronB Brodie says:

    Sorry, must have picked you up wrong.

  111. Capella says:

    I really thought the blind monkey was in with a chance. Would love to see him in the TV studios sitting on the sofa pontificating.

    But you must admit McTernan is infallible. What a class act.

    I listened to FMQs and agree that Ruth Davidson is a pompous git with her pretendy questions which are really long diatribes against the FM. Close second is Willie Rennie and in 3rd place Murdo Fraser. They take pleasure in trying to destroy the economy to prove that the economy is poor. Vandals, like their masters in Westminster.

  112. heedtracker says:

    How about a real challenge Stu and everyone else.

    Can you find any correct McTernan predictions/guesses/wishful thinking or whatever?

    Or even less likely, has he ever said he’s got it wrong, or is that just not part of the spin doctor code?

    Regrets, I have had a few, but then again, too few to mention. I did what I had to do and saw it through without exemption, For what is a man, what has he got and if you come round my way, Elephant and Castle, I’ll stick one on you…

    Actually, its Peckham.

    John McTernan @johnmcternan
    @PeteWishart Come down to Peckham and try saying that, mate.
    1:15 PM – 24 Aug 2016

    Wind up this level of UKOK tory buffoonery and you’re sitting watching Desert Storm, with reprobates like Bomber Blair and Crash Gordo waffling away for their millions, in front of another tory white wash Chilcott, 15 years later. Such is rule Britannia life for toryboys like these. And as daft SLab activists like Dunc try to work out why SLab has disintegrated into a silly pressure group around them ofcourse, all the while blaming the vile seps of their Scotland region.

  113. It did predict the Postal Vote 2 days before the count started,

    so he either has `The Gift`or he managed to see the Postal Votes well in advance of official counting time,

    which is against the law and he would have been fined or jailed,so must be `The Gift`.

  114. Capella says:

    @ bugsbunny
    sounds like you may have got the right chap there. Can there be two right wing daily mailers with the same name in one small country?

  115. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Capella at 6:39 pm.

    You typed,
    “I really thought the blind monkey was in with a chance. Would love to see him in the TV studios sitting on the sofa pontificating.”

    You mean kinda like Gerald?

  116. Thepnr says:


    A good one for the new thread when it quietens down a bit 🙂

  117. Capella says:

    @ Brian Doonthetoon – ha ha Brilliant! Loved it. 🙂

  118. CameronB Brodie says:

    It is more than they don’t care. They exhibit absolute contempt for those people who dwell in housing schemes. They are nothing to them but a vote. Sure they will come to your door at election time with promises of a better life but underneath their breath they are thinking you are dull uneducated and beneath them..

    You are to be used to further them and their party brand of politics and you will be too stupid to question it or see the road they try to lead you down.

    They are despicable.

    That’s habitus folks and possibly something else. How is colonial power enforced?

  119. defo says:

    Well done John. You WON !

  120. CameronB Brodie says:

    Scot Finlayson
    Are the police not taking a look at that?

  121. Smallaxe says:

    Bothersall, McTornarse, and Dislodges.I’d rather use this!

    Peace Always

  122. CameronB Brodie says:

    Breath, relax and focus.

  123. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    An experienced, Danish photographer’s model takes her pal to the studio for an audition.

    So, they’re standing naked in the studio. The photographer comes in says “hello” then gets under his black shroud covering the camera on its tripod.

    “Fot eez he doing?”, asks the novice. Her pal replies, “Well, furst off all he hass to focus.”

    “Oh, I tot he would take di photos furst…”

  124. CameronB Brodie says:

    Were you listening graph boy?

  125. CameronB Brodie says:

    @ graph boy
    I did warn you.

  126. CameronB Brodie says:

    So, what now folks?

  127. robertknight says:


    You couldn’t make it up! (Although that’s all he’s qualified to do apparently).

  128. Robert Peffers says:

    @CamernoB Brodie says: 10 November, 2016 at 4:50 pm:

    “Muscleguy & Robert Peffers
    How on earth did this study prove a causal link? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.”

    This,Cameron, is the BBC we are commenting upon.

    It is my opinion, and only my opinion, that the BBC headline writer has a hidden agenda. Perhaps he/she was a scouter/guider or perhaps the motive is to recruit for these organisations.

    My point was that the study only concludes that people who have been in these organisations have better mental health in later life. The study in no way claims anything else than that.

    Yet the headline write has made the claim that the recruits, “gain”, better mental health in later life just by joining those organisations. The study makes no such claim.

    That is, though, exactly what the Westminster Establishment Propaganda Wing is all about. As Independence supporters we see this all the time and Rev Stu is adept at highlighting it.

    McTernan. makes such unsubstantiated claims with his predictions. He draws false conclusions upon evidence that does not support his conclusions.

  129. CameronB Brodie says:

    Someone call 999.

  130. Robert Peffers says:

    @CameronB Brodie says: 10 November, 2016 at 5:00 pm:

    “Muscleguy & Robert Peffers
    Did you know that the “business-cycle” is a fallacy? Incorrect analysis of data and wrongly identified correlations. There are still folk who think it is a fact of nature though.”

    That’s the whole point. It is a truth that a very large number of people get taken in simple by being unable to read and comprehend and interpret properly what they have read.

    I spent 50 years in electro/mechanical diagnostic work, ( mainly electronics). It might surprise you how many times I got to a job to find someone had gone through a very long and complex series of tests and diagnostics and failed to find the fault.

    Yet upon arriving at the job it was not uncommon to find they had failed to do the basic checks like switching on the mains electricity, turning on the fuel or water supplies and checking plugs and pipework stopcocks were connected up and turned on.

    The tendency is to draw false conclusions from the presented evidence or to miss out bits of the presented evidence.

    So there is this prime example still on BBC Ceefax today.
    The false report is under the Heading of, “Health”.

    BTW: Wingers who do not pay for a TV Licence can get the BBC Ceefax pages on BBC Radio Channels on the TV set thus NOT viewing live TV broadcasts.

    The false report is under the Heading of, “Health”.

  131. CameronB Brodie says:

    Someone call 999!

  132. CameronB Brodie says:

    Has anyone dialed 999?

  133. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    CameronB Brodie says at 10:09 pm

    “Has anyone dialed 999?”

    Ambulance, Polis or Fire Brigade CBB??

  134. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    CameronB Brodie says at 10:09 pm

    “Has anyone dialed 999?”

    Ambulance, Polis or Fire Brigade or Coast Guard CBB??

  135. CameronB Brodie says:


  136. CameronB Brodie says:

    The Scouts?

  137. louis.b.argyll says:

    With it being red button news, anything could be false..RP?

  138. CameronB Brodie says:

    Sorry Robert, I was looking at other stuff and misinterpreted. 🙂

  139. Iain Patterson says:

    Sorry -Idiot that I am.
    I mistakenly voted for the hedgehog – reduce that 7%
    It’s MacTernan

  140. I’ve asked McTernan to pick 53 winning lottery numbers for me … simples!

  141. John Edgar says:

    Was he perhaps thinking of Bill and not “Hill….” ?

  142. Tom Platt says:

    John McTernan might prove to be eventual winner of your poll to find the WORST at predicting politics in 2017 but there is no doubt surely that he will continue to find his way to BBC studios and be hailed frequently as an electoral guru.

  143. Suzanne says:

    I’m convinced McTernan is a saboteur. Everything he touches goes in exactly the opposite direction to what he “predicts”. His entire political history shows failure after failure for the people he works for.

  144. Eric says:

    It couldn’t happen to a more obnoxious trio…

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