Wings Over Scotland

I think it is important to keep telling Scots who the SNP really are. Do not leave a shadow for them to hide in. Lift every rock they try to slither under. Keep highlighting their lies and betrayal.

There is no way back from what Sturgeon did. They are on the road to ruin.

It’s all pretty depressing, yet it would be good to have your views at times like when Operation Branchform hits the fan, and when AS court case finally takes place. Your views are always a good antidote to the msm nonsense. But then it isnt fair to expect you to twiddle your thumbs, bored out your skull waiting for these events which will hardly take up a fraction of the next long two years. Rest assured though, your wit and insight are valued and I think most of us wont want to see the end – maybe a weekly/monthly roundup or similar?

We could discuss all these adverts on TV for detergents advertising cold-wash temperatures that are hotter than the ACTUAL Scottish summer!!

It’s an unpaid job, Stu, but appreciated nevertheless, by all Wingers, that between now and 2026, you keep pursuing the dying, wilfully blind nuSNP, relentlessly.

A ‘Game of Thrones’ analogy:

nuSNP: cruel and inept ‘Melisandre’.

Wings: ‘Davos Seaworth’, holding fast in a world gone mad, fiercely protecting the innocent child, Princess Shireen.

Independence: ‘Princess Shireen’, burnt at the stake by Melisandre.

The North Remembers.

Sturgeon spent the past 9 years making sure there was no-one smarter than her in a position of influence. That was her one success. Especially in the increase of young careerists with no political principles and no life experience going straight from university into politics. That’s the problem across the UK, because the professional politician (ie, brown-nosing party hack) has infested the entire political system and is eating it from the inside.

At least they’ll be back destroying Labour for the next wee while.

Forbes has no choice now her head is on the block next. Wonder how fatty will wriggle his fat fly miles arse out of responsibility.

Salvo/Liberation is a way forward, not politicians at this stage, if you take the time to understand its purpose. It sets out to prove to the UN that Scotland is a colony. It is studying in minute detail the Treaty and events since to make a rock solid case for legal action. Also it’s about educating the public about popular sovereignty.
It has created formally a liberation movement, the first committee elections have just concluded after more than two years being run by a self appointed panel,
The U.K. is a signatory to the UN charter on removing colonisation. If you question this please read Doun Hauden by Alfred Baird. Published in 2020.
Steps are underway to get international support.

Campbell Clansmen 3.45
Respectfully you do not have a clue and I think are deliberate being obtuse. The independence support base binned the SNP because it has achieved zilch on independence and with its policies in recent years are a disgrace.
We will never ever get independence via a political party that is using Westminster centric thinking and takes allegiance to a foreign monarch. That is why Salvo/Liberation is gaining support.

Maybe the SNP should allow any MSP to have whatever ministry they feel they identify with.

If several of them “feel” they identify as ministers of justice or rainbow beach balls, then they can all be made joint ministers.

Maybe the entire parliament can be made joint ministers for all portfolios?

Do a history of how the SNP was systematically and ruthlessly taken over and then ruled as a dictatorship. It changed from a reasonably democratic party to a very autocratic one. Why 50,000 may still be members can maybe, or at least partly, be explained by their unawareness of just how they were completely neutered. As with any organisation under similar circumstances, the good ones left and the chancers piled in. Corruption wasn’t far behind.

Maybe this hangs off a slightly different question for the future – Do you want Scotland to be a democratic independent nation?

There needs to be a way out of the disaster that the UK is running full speed towards. The SNP bubble has only been punctured. It needs to be burst before any real change, with or without them, is possible.

wally jumblatt

10 July, 2024 at 3:45 pm

“….how did you all let it get into that state. You couldn’t all have been in thrall to Stalin’s wee sister (hat-tip to somebody)”
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That somebody is Jim Sillars

Andy Anderson
10 July, 2024 at 3:56 pm
“Campbell Clansmen … Salvo/Liberation is gaining support.”

The Reality is that Salvo/Liberation is a tiny bunch of Moonhowlers. I’m not saying that’s good or bad, I’m merely saying that is a fact.

The ISP could only field 2 candidates in the last election, and neither got even 1% of the vote.

The recently elected “Liberation Committee” refuses to say how many people actually voted in their “Steering Committee” election, undoubtedly to disguise how few people (I’d estimate 50) actually voted.

It should be simple for a viable movement to sweep the corrupt, incompetent SNP into the “dustbin of history.” The fact that Alba and ISP are still nowhere, says it all about their viability.

Just let it rot away. Until we have a change of personnel in the SNP nothing positive can happen. Its hardwired to gender and pension acquirement. A new movement has to happen. Appealing to the UN or waving saltire won’t work. We need a charismatic and sane individual to start this party. Sadly Alex is too old.

Flynn’s grovelling performance in WM tells us all we need to know..

The graph above appears to contradict a couple of the posts.

The party, in all likelihood, is simply sticking its fingers in its ears and desperately trying to convince itself that everything’s going to be fine somehow – they were only six points behind Labour last week, the Holyrood electoral system is a different beast to a Westminster one, and maybe in two years’ time everyone will be sick of Keir Starmer’s inevitably disappointing administration.

Like the Corbynites in 2019 it seems the SNP are destined to ignore the huge reasons they lost & just double down. Virtually no self-reflection is being done & the idea the public just are bigots or don’t understand SNP policies is nonsense. They’ll stumble along to 2026, get another tanking and then, possibly, some sense might prevail but I doubt it. It’s going to take people in the party willing to to speak sense and not be shouted down by the people who’ve been 100% responsible for last week’s battering.

There’s also a possibility that actually, Labour might improve things like the cost of living which is overwhelmingly most people’s main concern. If they do that then it makes the SNP’s case even more difficult in 2026, especially as the SNP policies of the last five years have seen a managed decline in Scotland’s services and economy.

But hey, the Greens got those cycle lanes built.

The activist base has been decimated, and more will leave as a result of the election because nobody wants to be the last off a sinking ship.

Normally when I go to vote there’d be an SNP activist at the station & prior to that I’d have them at my door at least once with plenty of leaflets. This year I did get leaflets through my door but no activists at my home or at the polling station. Considering this was Alison Thewliss’s seat & it was predicted to be close I’d have thought they’d be out in force. This is also an area with a lot of Glasgow Uni students so the Greens were out canvassing around the uni & Byres Road and all over the West End but nothing from the SNP.

Now that’s because the membership base has been wiped out & barring a few older diehards, the activist base now are people in their 20s or early 30s who often have no idea how to speak to people & certainly can’t convince people to vote SNP.

So yes, I think the SNP need to be wiped out in 2026. Independence as a political goal is over for now & the next decade at least. The SNP and Greens have assured that. The cause remains but we’re in a state where Alba aren’t going anywhere, Labour will be dominant til the end of the decade at least & the SNP offer nothing to voters beyond their core, and as Stu has pointed out, had the Greens stood aside in some seats there’d be a lot more SNP MPs this week.

But nobody within the SNP is able or willing to say what needs to be said or are they able to flush the party out before the 2026 defeat at Holyrood.

Sorry for multiple posts, but this is important. Maybe we stop talking about the SNP. They’re done. They’re nothing now, just a few irrelevant and incompetent fuckwits with nothing to add or say. Grinding over the wrongs they did and the crimes they committed is a waste of valuable time.

@Andy Anderson 3.49 & 3.56 pm

The problem with Salvo & Liberation Scotland is nobody is being honest about their level of support, the number of people who voted their Committee in, or the bona fides of whether their approach has any appreciable support from neutral (hell, even from Scottish) experts in constitutional law, international law, academia, the law, international organisations, or local/national politics.

Lawson and Salyers both have egos a mile wide and graphene thin. You ask Rev Stu to get involved with them, but Lawson deleted critical comments from Stu and others including me from his blog because he can’t handle disagreement. What kind of mass movement trying to promote a United Front does that? Salyers blocks those who disagree with her or ask awkward questions or who don’t accept the basis of her arguments.

Organisations like Salvo and Liberation Scotland might serve some purpose long term as ginger groups to help get people interested and involved, and even for producing research papers and encouraging grass roots involvement and activism, but the idea that they’re going to be the engine of the independence movement is for the birds.

They have negligible support and no major political figures behind them or fronting them. Admittedly some see as an advantage, but it’s not a widely held opinion by any means whatever some regulars in here fondly believe!

Putting the independence movement’s eggs in one Salvo / Liberation Scotland shaped basket and hoping that they will succeed in convincing the international community that Scotland is a colony, and that there is a legal rather than parliamentary or plebiscitary vote route is a high risk strategy, with very little visible support. It also risks taking considerably longer than just concentrating on winning a vote.

*we’re just not in the mood for marches.

Breeks @4.05pm.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head!
Brilliant idea, I would support it 100%!

We’ve given all our hopes to our politicians.
First it was to Labour. ‘They’re Scots’ we said…they’ll fight for Scotland.
They didn’t. They happily donned ermine robes and meekly accepted each insult and rebuttal WM gave them whenever they asked for stuff for Scotland (Scot Executive asked a Labour WM 4 times for a new FRB – and they said ‘No’ 4 times).
Then we gave all our hopes to the SNP. ‘They’re Scots for Scotland’, we said…they’ll get us out of this Union.
They didn’t. Salmond indeed did what he said he would, but after the indyref…Sturgeon started lying about her wish for indy and focussed on men in skirts/women’s prisons etc, camper vans and voguey photo shoots.
Politicians tell US what we voted for – not the other way around. England’s MSM tell US why we voted the way we did – making sure the need for independence is kept out of the convo. Politicians deny us democracy so that they can stuff their bank accounts with cash. Politicians move on when voted out with a nice wee £19K goodbye hand shake and don’t give a toss about the country they’ve wrecked in tandem with WM. Slimey, selfish, shameless bastards.
Now – we’re supposed to wait the 10-20yrs for ISP or Alba to make a mark and hope to God none of them get bribed or threatened or turned like the SNP leadership did.
Really? That’s it for us?
What’s stopping our bloggers and commentators from supporting civil disruption? Civil disobedience. Strikes, sit ins, road blocks, boycotts. What is it that stops them?
That we’d ruin society? *looks around* Society is pretty much going down the shitter now, and does anyone think the new Labour administration is gonna make ANYTHING better?
No, me neither.
The Scots getting shirty is the LAST thing any London Government needs, and yes as the Rev says – we’re apathetic as hell. We could win the Olympic Games in shoulder Shrugging because that’s all we do in the face of insult and assault.
Salvo has a Liberation arm – which is the ‘actiony’ part of the agency. If a group of likeminded and experienced independinista’s much like Sara Salyers, Alf Baird, Stu Campbell, Salmond, Ash regan and Jo Cherry…planned to start campaigns where Scotland could start pissing off WM – would that not at least be something?
For instance – Scots law. It’s not English law – which we all have been living under. Under Scots law Scots CAN protest against their government/monarchy because we are sovereign. We get arrested we could choose to be charged under Scots law – not UK law, because the ToU and AoU says Scotland STILL has its own laws. Over the decades, we’ve been blindly herded into little English policies and laws and…we just accept them. If we ARE in a Union then we can use the agreement to protect Scotland. The SNP should’ve done that. Sturgeon *could have closed our border with England during Covid – but noooo. Didn’t want to upset WM. Labour run Wales didn’t care tho, did they? They closed theirs.
Freeports, for Christ’s sake! WE OWN our ports. The ToU and AoU wasn’t a territorial union. Scots own our own ports. That the SNP govt colluded with WM to sell our ports to big business should be the FIRST reason to protest. How dare they do that! Thousands of acres of prime estate under the eye of big business with their own laws and their own planning regs.
If we had a national advertising campaign informing Scots of what Scotland CAN do – through Salvo, then it might give Scots confidence to start saying ‘No’.
Are we really too meek and weak to ditch the political route and grasp the thistle? Are we really too worried about what folk will think of us?
I bet right now, there are countries looking at Scotland and all the shit that we’re accepting and wondering what the hell is wrong with us.
You think civil disobedience is the last thing we should be doing? Then Scotland and Scots deserve all we get.

Stu, you and on the whole the wingers have done more for the independence cause than the majority of the fat cat, money squirreling, lying bastards have ever achieved . I remember how good it felt in the summer of 2014 on the run up to the referendum. I can only thank you for all your work and keeping the spotlight on the decivers.

The only thing that potentially could scupper everything prior to 2026 for the SNP is more bad news from Branchform, if more members of government are implicated it has potential to be a game changer that the SNP cannot come back from. This and any trial of Peter Murrel is likely to have the SNP in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

Breeks I agree with most of what you wrote, but we need to go further than that,
We have to face the music and recognise that the Scottish parliament is a construct of the parliament down South under their statues and legislation,

It is not a Scottish parliament at all and has no authority to be passing “Scots Laws” under that falsehood,

The other thing that passed through my mind is perhaps Stu is not allowed to write or encourage a Scottish Contitution anything but destroying the Snp with the help of the puppet enablers in Holywood after the time when his family were threatened and false court cases from a labourite lady, not forgetting that Salmond came under attack as well, as did Joanna Cherry,

Realistically Scottish independence survives out- with the bounds of politics parties or Media in the context that Scotlands independence has lasted through the centuries via the Sovereign people in Scotland and maintained at a grassroots level nowadays of 50% plus.
Even Alba are vouching to follow the rules and election system of the Colonisers.

But the Scots and I mean the Scots, were never invited to join in the treaty of Union in 1706/ 1707, that is what is printed on the Westminster parliament site for the past number of years for the whole world to witness and read,
Scots remain Sovereign outside the treaty of union according to Westminster parliament,
And that is yours, mine and every Scots starting point is because Englands Westminster parliament say the Scots are Sovereign outside the treaty of union so that is so, and the Scots say they have always remained Sovereign also,

There is a agreement here between Englands official stance and the people of Scotland that we are Sovereign as a nation of Scots,

That is why every one wanting to gain Scottish independence and can use Westminster parliaments statement to the World must copy that statement and keep it safe,

Then every Scot has the Sovereign right to hold an assembly or to elect a entirely new parliament in Scotland.

Whilst Englands parliament agrees with Scots that it did not capture the “Scots” into the treaty of Union we all have the rightto legality Choose our Monarch if we want one, to choose our own justice system and Courts, the right to a assembly of Scots, and the right to self determination, since we were not invited into the treaty of union.

It is all about focus on legalities, and the nation of Scots realising they were never entered into the treaty of union when the old Scottish parliament was,
But that parliament was also dissolved out of the treaty of union way back in 1707, and the Scots are not in a treaty of union with England, with Great Britain, with Great Britain and Northern Ireland, nor are the Scots in a treaty with the UK parliament,

Overly pessimistic Stu.

Leader : The Great Leader is a British myth on a par with Arthur and Excalibur. The SNP should go back to its previous collegiate leaderships. The glory days were Salmond and Sturgeon together and all the previous “leaders” Wilson, Wolf, Donaldson et al were all really figureheads for a working National Executive. Nowadays we probably need a leader who is focussed porely on indy and who spends their time going round the branches geeing them up, with 4 vice-leaders for Westminster/British affairs, Holyrood, Other Scots and Aliens

Policy : Housing, something concrete (pun intended) and within the competence of Holyrood. None of this waffly unmeasurable stuff like education, gender or the NHS

Personnel : Come to think of it on this you may be right 🙂 Their selection system is a mess; all those Labour MPs who are councillors and who will be creating bye elections and HQ are still sending out thank you letters instead of calls for prospective council candidates to come for screening. Competence 2/10

Independence strategy : How did the Indians, Ghanaians and Jamaicans do it? 80-90% popular support for independence. Yes its a lot of work but at least we are half way there.

Unity : The SNP has flourished as a broad church. Its only since it became intolerant that its fortunes have collapsed. If they expand the leadership as above they will broaden their outlook.

Conclusion : Stop apeing the British political parties. If it requires putting hands in pockets to provide for a full time leader for the indy movement then do it. Stop relying on British freebies distracting our “leader” from her job by making her wear two hats as FM or an M(S)P. No man can serve two masters

Breeks at 405pm,

Some very good ideas – and Sara later.

Salvo do have the right idea, in essence Scotland has the right to end the union when it so pleases. The union treaty has been broken more times than can be remembered – by ENGLAND.

At present, the SNP are still suggesting asking England’s permission, and everybody KNOWS that just will not happen. Scotland is England’s cherished possession, rich in oil, gas, renewable energy, land and ocean boundaries. So, asking England for permission is just dumb.

Scotlands democratic rights as enshrined in the claim of right – which IS, incidentally recognized by Westminster, is very clear in terms of Scotland’s freedom. It just needs some people to help make it happen. Any clown the world over can see that how Scotland is treated by Westminster and England is a democratic outrage. Were the circumstances reversed, you can be sure the people of England would not tolerate it for more than one second – and certainly NOT for over three hundred years.

The funny thing about the treaty of union and the claim of right, is that so many in Scotland do not truly understand them. They sneer at the idea of using such ‘old’ documents to assert our independence. Yet those very same people happily indulge the utter sh*te from England, perpetrated by an archaic parliamentary system based upon ‘old’ historical documents. If we assert the treaty of union and claim of right are irrelevant by virtue of being ‘old’, then we must equally reject the very basis of how the supposed United kingdom and Westminster currently operate. Why is the English Magna carta taken seriously as a foundation for government, yet much more recent documents from Scotland are discarded and regarded as irrelevant. If the treaty of union is irrelevant, then why are we still being run by England? ONLY that document enables English rule over Scotland. Without the treaty. their is no UK.

Over three hundred years of English propaganda has achieved these misconceptions and misunderstandings. It is sad so many Scots ‘suck it up’.

We now know England is NEVER again going to let the devolved Scots parliament have the power to hold a referendum on independence, since they know YES would win next time. So, in many ways we need bodies outside the confines of devolution to get the process going. Their is a role for Holyrood however, they definitely DO have the powers to help such a move, in terms of funding via various indirect means.

It is a disgrace that England has been allowed to trash Scotland for over three hundred years. Stealing our wealth and assets, over and over and over again. Independence is not just needed, it is very, very urgent.

And, to yet again agree with Breeks, I do think, if willing, Rev Stu could play a very important part.

I think Breeks and others are right, we do need figureheads outside the Scots parliament to start ‘banging the drum’ so to speak.

We need independence. Scotland could flourish without England’s baggage and thieving nature. You could say the future might be bright, certainly tonight let us hope the future is orange.

Breeks @4.05pm.

Things are already under way, but of course more of the RIGHT people can do no harm to the cause.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Dubh @ 5.40

Big AYE to alla that – spot-on .

re Civil Disobedience – at times it seems like the only thing that would rouse people out of their comfort zones/apathy enough to get them on the streets would be if all football was banned .

The things is …. there’s been precisely zero consideration given to C.D as a tactic by any of the Political Parties – or in the pro-Independence sites .

The opposite has been the case ; for the Legacy faction it’s been all about ” good Parliamentarians ” n ” working constructively ” ( lol , aye , being told what’s going to happen n whining impotently ) n the dismissive possibility-crusher ….” that won’t work ” .

Well , how do we know it ” won’t work ” ? No one has tried it yet . Nothing else seems to be working .

Also , what Breeks said . People are too quick to rubbish Salvo/Liberation without even knowing what it is their trying to achieve …FOR THE INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT . FFS they’re not the enemy . Listen to what they’re saying – and what they’re not saying .

Let’s see if the work being done can be leveraged to our advantage . What is there to lose by – at least – exploring the possibilities ?

The SNP have shown that a single political-party vehicle to carry forward the independence movement is something whose time has passed.
The massive electoral weight of independence supports and benefits the SNP directly, and independence only indirectly.
Once the SNP had achieved power, and there was nowhere else for pro-independence the votes to go, if the SNP didn’t want to gamble on pushing for independence they had nothing to lose by ignoring it.

We are a proportional parliament, maybe a thing to talk about is how/if multiple different pro-independence parties (differentiated by approach to indy, or other social/economic/political goals) might instead be a better vehicle for pro-independence votes than a single party even where its (notional) core aim is independence?

Whiney Blackford thinks he did a good job in Westminster. LOL

Fckn delusional doesn’t even cover it. He didn’t even have the balls to walk out but had to be schooled on parliamentary procedure by Salmond.

The only thing left for those shysters to do is take up the ermine or collect their gong.

Labour can piss right off too. 33% of the vote yet swanning around like he owns the place.

Looks like Sturgeon is going to be knifed more times that Caesar.

Another one:

link to archive.is

John Swinney must step aside as SNP leader to make way for a “fresh start” under Kate Forbes and Stephen Flynn, a former MP has said.

Douglas Chapman, who stood down as Dunfermline and West Fife MP at the recent General Election, confessed there had been “shortcomings” from his party’s leadership in recent years.
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Mr Chapman told the Herald newspaper: “I believe we really do need that fresh start, that fresh impetus, and we need to look to our members to provide that and to be brutally honest with the leadership of the party about what they think has gone wrong and what they think the solutions might be.

What Stephen Flynn says led to SNP’s ‘loss of trust’ with voters
“We are all well aware of the shortcomings that we’ve had in recent years and that’s everything from the quality of delivery of services, the Scottish Government, and making sure that is reset and focused on, making sure we can get back to a situation where the people of Scotland actually trust us as their government.”

He also took aim at the party’s independence strategy which put the issues on “line one page one” of the manifesto but failed to mention it enough during campaigning.

Advice to SNP. It isn’t rocket science.

1.Ditch the Toxic anti Indy Greens.
2 Ditch the Toxic anti Indy Wokists.
3 Become an Independence Party again and mean it.
4 Ditch the Toxic anti Indy Sturgeon and her anti Indy Coven.

You are right Rev as usual! I think you are missing the main point though. True, SNP has attracted the same quotient of chancers, troughers and second rate no hopers as many other organisation, all eager to keep what they can and while they can. The difference though is that its core is rotten. It’s no good blaming the above because the difference between SNP and most other groups is that its core is rotten.

I believe that there has been a carefully engineered and deliberate plan to achieve this desired result. SNP is way to incompetent to have achieved this on its own.

However as with most best laid plans this one too can gang agla’. Fully half of us still want independence and we need to renounce the devil and all its works. The view is much better when we look forward. Keep up the good work.

I agree 100% with Breeks’s comments. Every one of them!

SALVO & liberation.scot is a very viable and valuable piece of work that needs done to aid the Independence route. And I’m darn glad they are part of the Independence cause! It won’t DO Independence – but, that’s not its aim. It is intended to work ALONGSIDE a political method of doing Independence, having paved the Int’l way forward to get global recognition of our right to HAVE Independence. Like it or not, we will need that recognition.

SALVO has collected all the evidence someone (sorry can’t remember who & don’t have time to scroll up reading… sorry!) talked about listing the times the Treaty has been broken by the English Govt, to use that in their summation. Also, it exposes the 1957 LIE that the union was entered into voluntarily by Scots. We all know that isn’t true. Trouble is – the Int’l community doesn’t know that because WM LIED when UN asked them about it with a view to forcing England to let Scotland go if it was a COLONY. Sara Salyers & Co are going to prove that the Scots PEOPLE had no say. And that WM LIED (as if that’s a revelation!).

Due to WM/England, the UN & the rest of the world has a very mistaken view on Scotland’s status. Thus, Scotland has to expose the truth & prove their case to the world. That is what SALVO have been working on and contrary to what the naysayers here think, the advice of an eminent Constitutional Lawyer has been that Scotland has a very good case to present to the world thru the UN and he is, even as I type, preparing his case to put forward on SALVO’s behalf. SALVO wishes the UN council to start questioning whether Scotland IS INDEED A COLONY and if they find for that, then the process of decolonisation can take place. It can also give us the means to question every piece of law, every act of theft of our resources, that WM puts forward and the power to veto those things. God knows, we need a veto VERY badly.

Now – WHY ON EARTH would you get yourselves in a twist about a group wanting to help Scotland in the way SALVO believe it will help? I mean – what HARM is it doing anyone for those people, and their supporters to follow this route? NONE. It does NO HARM. But it could make a HUGE difference if it works as they believe it will. I could understand if I believed every BTL poster here didn’t want Independence, why you would spout off about this being a worthless waste of time, etc etc. But I know people here WANT Indy (well, most. I can see there are some very anxious unionist posters here too!). So many here talk about ‘uniting’ and ‘getting everyone together’ – so… why be rude, belligerent & quite frankly, scathing, about SALVO, who might actually HELP our cause? No one is asking YOU to do anything but sign your name to say you support the action. And no one need even know you did it if admitting you supported them worries you!

Sara & Iain are NOT big egos… quite the contrary, Sara didn’t even put her name down to be on the Committee & she doesn’t want ANY acclaim. She takes people’s thanks for the huge & time consuming hunt through the archives for the evidence, with a very modest reply & seems to be happier working in the background. Iain is simply doing his best to get the information ‘out there’ and that’s hardly an ‘ego’ thing! If he started up a newspaper to get the info out into the wider world, I dare say there would still be those saying his ego is too big & we don’t want anything to do with him. It seems to be the Scottish way – if someone thinks of a way to do something to help, it always seems to be a case of ‘how fast can we knock the big headed eejit down?’ And then we have folks moaning, ‘Scots won’t get off their asses and actively DO something!’… We can’t win.

We either work using, as Stuart puts it, ALL the tools in our toolbox, and that certainly includes Mike Fenwick’s work, to work in tandem WITH A POLITICAL PARTY and an INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT that actively wants Independence and is not just willing to, but SERIOUSLY INTENDS TO, use EVERY MEANS POSSIBLE to get it. Or we all sit on our hands and greet and whine that ‘SNP isn’t taking us anywhere, so what now’…? Those are our two options…

@PacMan

When people are actually asked about what matters to them it is not immigrants. It is about the birth, health and education of children, about the incomes of people and the ability to buy the basics of life, about the health and care when ill or disabled of their family members and about their deaths.

Changing the subject, I am a bit disappointed that there is little interest in trying to prepare ourselves (those who read this blog) for what an independent Scotland might look like.

I suggest tentatively that independence is unlikely ever to be won if there is no clear idea given about how the shapes of our lives and the things that really matter are likely to be – and changed for the better,

Prof Brendan O’Leary is now urging the Irish government to look ahead to the end of the decade when a border poll might be won and start to tell people how a re-united Ireland might look.

If we have no fecking idea of what we want how the hell do we ever expect to convince the doubters.

Any wonder over 1,000,000 Yessers don’t vote SNP.

There’s nothing left of the SNP that’s worth saving. Before necessary reforms could happen, the party would need a new constitution and rules, but the changes made to these during Sturgeon’s tenure disempowered the membership to such an extent that there’s nothing that those left could do to bring about that reform, even if they wanted to, which I doubt.

There’s not a single SNP MSP or MP that I’d trust to organise a piss up in a brewery, far less come up with a better prospectus for independence, persuade undecideds to support our cause, win our independence, negotiate the divorce agreement with the rest of the UK, negotiate membership of international bodies and set up a Scottish constitution, a new currency, all the countless necessary functions and policies of a newly independent country etc. etc.

We need the SNP to be cast into political oblivion and the sooner the better. Meanwhile the rotting corpse of what’s left of the party is leaving a stench that a sizeable majority of the electorate find unbearable.

The independence movement needs to be ready to fill the vacuum when what’s left of the SNP implodes.

Meantime, we need Wings (and others) to help hasten the SNP’s demise by continuing to expose their catastrophic shortcomings.

Hopefully sooner rather than later the Sham Nationalist Party will be subject to a VONC at Holyrood. If it succeeds, all Scottish ministers will be compelled to stand down, with parliament given 28 days to appoint a new first minister. If it fails to do so, a snap election will be called which will finish the SNP in terms of both support and finances. Perhaps the ferries fiasco will be sufficient to unite the opposition, including the Greens, to deal the SNP a coup de grâs. Fingers crossed!

sam @ 9:22 pm

“we have no fecking idea of what we want”

Decolonization is the goal of self-determination, and not that difficult to understand:

link to salvo.scot

But.. but … But what about the reflection?

Kevin McKenna labour supporter on Debate night disnae haud back

link to x.com

Some good constructive posts above.

The other thing we ALL must recognise, is that within Scotland, their are agents of the English state who will use anything to cause division within the indy movement. That alone, is their task. As soon as folk try to get started with any avenue for independence, they will sow division, raising irrelevant nonsense to cause arguments and so on. Look at what they tried to do to Alex Salmond. No accident.

THAT, as history shows very clearly, is exactly how England (aka, ‘britin’) held on to so many conquered countries for so long throughout history.

Make no mistake, just as we know special branch infiltrate other political groups, so we can know with great certainty they will be working within Scotland to cause doubt, prevent unity, and generally cause failure.

How do they manipulate people to act on their behalf? same as all other spy agencies, carrot and stick. ‘If you say x and y from time to time, we can make sure you get a comfy pretendy ‘professor‘ title from a university, and a telly series on the BBC, maybe even a book. However, if you choose not to, well, it would be so sad if your wife and kids had to read about those two rent boys you regularly had visit your London flat whilst you were an MP, in the Daily Record – remember?? So, do as we ask, and you and your family will have a great time, ‘professor‘, or ,well it might all go a bit wrong for you.

It is how the brit establishment has always worked.

Make no mistake, London will and can do anything and everything to stop Scotland having democracy and ending undemocratic English rule. History shows they did it all over the world, they will certainly do it here.

Divide and conquer, as THEY say.

Word of the day.

Gulder- verb

Aye, you hit the nail on the head, Rev. Last Thursday delivered a damning verdict on a bunch of incompetent troughers with no strategy for delivering independence (and no inclination to try and find one or consult those with ideas). No no no, that would never do. Far too scary. Soundbites and gesture politics are us (nothing else really).

With all those ex-troughers ejected from WM now seeking comfy replacement list seats at Holyrood, you just know what’s coming in 2026: “Vote SNP 1 and 2”. Will they get away with it this time? That depends on us.

There is still a Yes movement. It went away formed and joined Salvo and liberation.scot. As for marches some of us don’t need to march to still feel it. I don’t diss those who do but it isn’t my thing. Not with transport costs and I volunteer in a charity shop until 1pm on Saturdays anyway.

The Catalans could put upwards of a million souls peacefully on the streets of Barcelona for Si. It availed them of nothing except telling the Catalan state that they were pushovers.

twathater
says:
11 July, 2024 at 2:25 am

Sam @ 4.01pm With reference to “What people care about is not immigration, for example, but, literally, life and death issues. That embraces health, social care, welfare, the economy, education, happiness and more.”

Try telling that to disenfranchised people in housing schemes suffering homelessness, food banks, child excess poverty, damp housing, rat infested housing, working poverty, inability to pay rent and heating, and when the perception is that immigrants coming here and never having contributed to our welfare system or taxes can gain access to the underfunded and over worked health services and social services

It is okay for middle class managing with good incomes to virtue signal their good intentions but the ones that live beside them are usually doctors or lawyers with good incomes,the immigrant people or refugees that are DUMPED in housing schemes are competing with the residents for survival

While I don’t live in the best of areas, I own my property, have worked all my life and fit and healthy so I don’t use any state provided services.

There may have been extra resources allocated to my area to deal with the influx on new immigrants but the perception I hear in the media says otherwise.

Local authority after Local authority declares a housing emergency, there is a lack of doctors, NHS waiting times are going up and up, nobody can get a dentist appointment, poverty levels are going up. The list goes on and on.

While this isn’t anything new, it’s hard to reconcile this though when you see with your own eyes in a space of a few years your area going from nearly all white to something like the UN where these immigrants are running about with the best of gear.

Immigration may not be that much of a problem in reality but after nuSNP and Tories being in power for so long and the quality of life for most people have got worse, the arrival of immigrants is a disruptive element that highlights clearly to people these failures.

There has been many underlying problems in Scottish society that can’t be solved with the powers that Holyrood has got but in some areas, it could have at least alleviate them.

Take for instance, this Housing emergency. There are many properties that are lying empty for various reasons and end up being uninhabitable.

If for example, the Scottish government had been a bit more radical they could have introduced legislation for local authorities or housing associations to get them whether through compulsory purchase or just repossess them and allow them to be used.

Of course this didn’t happen as they were too concerned with minority and fringe issues.

Ultimately, the Tory and nuSNP years were ones of inaction and we are now witnessing the effects of it.

As folks hopefully know by now, I have ALWAYS been a passionate advocate of Scottish Sovereignty, even if my interpretation of it sometimes clashed with Robert Peffers, as some of you might remember.

Fast forward to 2024, my views are a lot more refined, better informed, and arguably honed to a sharper point, but they haven’t changed. Independence is all about sovereignty, all roads to this, and Independence will one day be synonymous with sovereignty.

For the avoidance of doubt, my position is that Scotland already is sovereign. We, the people, we literally are the Community of the Realm as it exists in the 21st Century.

We are sovereign, but not Independent, because the title on our Sovereignty, (title in the sense “who is empowered to wield our Sovereignty”), has been usurped and passed around like pass-the-parcel amongst those who do NOT have any legitimate right to do so; whether they be Scots of noble or dishonourable intention, or colonial usurpers such as the UK “Parliament”.

This “usurpation” of Scotland’s sovereignty has been extraordinarily difficult to prevent, not because the usurpers were particularly devious or accomplished, (we generally know crooks when we encounter them), but for longer that the Treaty of Union itself has existed, the greatest weakness in Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution has been the missing linkage which connects the sovereign people with their sovereign rights and authority.

By not being “organised” ourselves, and by that I mean having our Sovereign Constitution properly codified so that EVERYBODY knows exactly what it means, we are like vehicle with no driver, and apt to be taken for a ride whenever a rogue driver assumes the power he doesn’t rightfully possess. “This” is the essential essence of Scotland’s political subjugation these past three centuries.

Forget the politics of it, set that all to one side a moment, and focus on that missing linkage which separates Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty from Scotland’s sovereign people. “That” is where SALVO’s recent contribution to the struggle has been so phenomenal.

Scotland the Nation, thanks in huge part to SALVO’s revelations, is now in the process of rediscovering dormant powers and strengths long forgotten or taken for granted, which will have a PROFOUND impact on how Scotland is governed in the future, and spoilert alert, it will not be by a foreign Government seizing control of our Sovereign rights.

Initially, and until the day we have successfully codified our Sovereign Constitution, Scotland is going to have to improvise that missing linkage described above.

This is where it becomes so important to assemble ourselves as a modern Convention of the Estates, or a Constitutional Convention, a Constitutional Steering Group, OR WHATEVER! It doesn’t have to be perfect, but it must, repeat must, function as the linkage between sovereign people and sovereign power.

The linkage can be improvised, indeed it should be improvised, because properly codifying Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution will be difficult and take time to master. But the primary object of resurrecting this linkage is not to thus govern Scotland, but to address the matter, let’s call it the emergency, of Scotland’s Sovereign authority being usurped by Westminster.

Convince the Scottish people they are Sovereign, (and we achieve this by doing things which Westminster cannot prevent, – see Joanna Cherry laying out Boris Johnston and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox), then the Constitutional Genie is out of the bottle.

“Win” an emphatic Constitutional distinction, ideally something which can be recognised Internationally, (Like Brexit and defending the Claim of Right – FK you Sturgeon, you IMBECILE!), then we can watch Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty trickling down and dissolving all the colonial injustices and unconstitutional improprieties suffered upon Scotland since 1707. The Union will be dead.

This is why SALVO matters. SALVO has already changed the rules.

Do you see it yet?

Katielass04.

I believe that taking a more legal route like Salvo’s is doing is the answer, and that is only one aspect of many legal avenues.
It goes without saying that those who dismiss it as old nonsense and guff are not here for Scotlands independence, but to thwart it, for they never make any suggestion other than repeating using Westminsters electoriel System, Westminsters devolved government, and to stay on bended knee begging for some sort of referendum within the system of of British governance,

Then there are the other group that ignore a suggested alternative legal logical route out of the treaty of union and can only revert back to repeatedly talking party politics and the who’s who that might be worth a tuppence,
I con’t know if they can’t cope with new ideas or wether they are in the same group as the first one I mentioned, and thwarting independence by also keeping Scots minds away from alternatives.thinking.

Whatever the case may be those routes have been tried and tested and are spent they have had their time in history as failures

The bigger issues is what is binding ( if anything ) Scots and Scotland to a Treaty With the parliament of England,

The old parliament of Scotland was dissolved out of the Treaty by Westminster and the Monarch of England over three hundred years ago. In the year 1707 to be exact,
So there is No true Scottish parliament existing anymore to be held accountable for breaching the treaty of union,

The Westminster parliament official site boasts in 2023 and 2024 that they never invited the ” Scots” people to to join the 1707 treaty of union because in all likely hood the “Scots” would probably vote No.

So where do the “Scots” and Scotland stand legally today.
Their parliament is no longer in a political union with the old parliament of England and cannot be held to account for walking away or breaching the Treaty of union,

And the Scots were never in the treaty of union according to Westminster.

SO WHAT OFFICIALLY BINDS SCOTLAND or the Nation of SCOTS TO ENGLAND?.

sam
says:
11 July, 2024 at 8:34 am

PacMan

I should have made clear, mea culpa, that I am talking about the priorities of people- what issues are most important to them. No doubt immigration may be important/very important to some/many as a result of a lack of will/resource/whatever to have an adequate system. It’s a reserved matter as you know.

My suggestion to Rev was that he/we discuss a vision of an independent Scotland and the political changes that might involve. The mark made by past austerity is going to take at least a decade to change.We may have more to come from Labour.

How do you see an independent Scotland? What changes do we need to make socially rather than consitutionally? Assume we’ve done that and are independent.

I understand that you are dismissing concerns people have about immigration but want to look at the big picture.

Lets say my concerns are unfounded and my perception of the immigrants coming into my community are based on shall we say unconscious bias?

Lets say I am mistaking self-confidence for arrogance? If these immigrants, whether legal or asylum seeker are given full voting rights like the same as us.

I just can’t see them meekly getting in line as the poor, oppressed minority that is to be boxed as BAME and for virtuous (white) middle class activists to fight for their rights.

A lot of these immigrants come from very socially conservative cultures and are hard working. I doubt very much they have time for this intersectional woke stuff and want their values to shape the country they have settled in.

I also doubt that they will have much time for the nuSNP and it’s hard to see them being interested in independence simply because all the resources and infrastructure they have depended on has been provided by the UK Governments Home Office.

If what I say is correct and Labour has an amnesty and legal immigration continues, this will need to be factored into how the independence arguments is moved forward.

Katielass04.

Did you know that the Bank of England always remained the Bank of England, from prior to the treaty of union and afterwards.

That of course would have a back log of shared National debt with Wales and Northern Ireland as the Scots were not invited into the treaty of union because they would probably have voted No.

And the old Scottish parliament that was dissolved and extinguished in 1707 can no longer be held accountable for National debt either.

Stu,

It would be greatly admired by many of us here if you could take up the baton on many of these issues,
but I for one am well aware of the threats and intimidation that came you’re way to you and your family which was appalling and I deeply felt you’re anguish over the safety of your friends and family,
After that, I have always realised how much you risked and far you had stuck your neck out for our benefit,
I just wish to say a big thank you to you, for all the hard work and good journalism you have accomplished over the years on behalf of all of us here,

I hope you continue to manage Wings over Scotland for many years to come if that is your wont and will, cos we would sorely miss your great contribution to excellent journalism, good statistics and acute analysis over politics.
Not forgetting your beautiful photography.
Just saying what I was thinking, I hope you it doesn’t make you blush to much:-)

Just a thought, with all this talk on immigration. With Labour in power, could Scotland be the new Rawanda..?

I have no idea who Andy Ellis is. If he has managed to get himself blocked on my site he has achieved special status as I rarely block anyone other than for foul language or blatant lies.

Let me give you an example. Tell us everything about your election. How many successfully voted?

We published the results for every candidate. The voting procedures are independently audited. The election process was under constant attack by forces unknown ( but suspected)

Now I ask you why should we publish any information that would allow those forces to measure the success of that interference. Forgive me if I suggest that anyone asking for that information in the manner Andy did suggests to me he may be an agent of those forces ranged against us.

The same goes for those who demand we publish our plan with a fixed timescale. This is going to be a legal fight what case ever publishes their case and tactics in advance?

I suggest readers should view with deep suspicion those who demand such information.

Our members of which there are thousands and growing at even greater speed after the General Election will be the first to know as the next steps are taken.

Salvo/Liberation is a way forward, Nope they are not ready. Anywhere near ready.

Scottish independence under the US rules based order. I’ll say that again – Scottish independence under the US rules based order.

That is what Salvo/Liberation promotes which isn’t independence at all.

The ONLY way Scotland can become truly independent is out with the US rules based order that means out of the EU and out of EFTA.

95% of Scottish voters think that is impossible because they are stupid and don’t understand money or trade. Stupid enough to believe the Scandanavian model is the answer. The export your way to growth propaganda.

Until we recognise that we can be independent free from the US rules based order and free from EU uber alles brigade and free from a neoliberal judge in a neoliberal EFTA court . Then as Stu says we are just shouting down a man hole.

Until we stand up and recognise that we can be independent free from these neoliberal globalists. Then this shit show will continue for years to come.

@ Iain Lawson at 10.50 a.m. on the Liberation election.

Many thanks for this straightforward statement on the committee election. It is very interesting to see that “someone” is so interested in disrupting the recruitment and administration of an organisation that others say is irrelevant. 🙂

Had I the ability, and could reach the nation of Scotland’s ear, I would pour out a fiery stream of biting ridicule, blasting reproach, withering sarcasm, and stern rebuke.

For it is not the slow unfolding light of understanding that is needed, but the spark of sudden realisation; it is not the gentle rain of growing enlightenment, but the torrent of immediate inspiration; it is not words of mild persuasion, but thunderous words of truth; it is not a call to ponder, but a call to action.

The Scots need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake.

The spirit of the Scots must be quickened; the conscience of the Scots must be roused; the conformity of the Scots must be startled; the hypocrisy of the Union must be exposed; and the crimes against Scotland and the Scots must be denounced.

The Scots need a good hard slap in the face and dragged from their beds; and they need to set about the business of cleaning-up the mess that’s been made of their house while they slept.

Scotland has been made a midden. It’s time the Scots got up off their slumbering arses and did something about it.

But first the Scots need to get their shit together and demand their liberation – otherwise the rubbish will just keep on piling up until they are overwhelmed and buried alive under the garbage of another people.

JockMcT
says:
11 July, 2024 at 10:46 am

Just a thought, with all this talk on immigration. With Labour in power, could Scotland be the new Rawanda..?

The nuSNP wants immigration devolved because rightly they can’t get workers for sectors like agriculture so it will be a win/win situation for Labour if they do allow this.

I’ve been saying this for a long time now, if we are to become independent, we must gain a majority across the whole political spectrum. Like it or not, one million voted for Brexit. A growing number are converting to Reform and I can only see this number mushroom, as Labour quickly fail north and south of the border. How many Scots have no interest in Palestine, Ukraine or any other Washington military excursion for that matter ? Probably more than most would care admit. Time for some serious rethinking in our quest for independence.

I’m in a rhetorical mood today.

For the literal minded, I don’t mean we should go house to house around Scotland slapping folk in the face and dragging them from their beds and giving them a lecture – fun as that might be there’s probably some law or other that would frown upon such a direct approach to enlightening a people.

And I suspect such an approach might be counter-productive, anyway.

Perhaps if we skip the slap and present folk with some bacon and eggs and a nice cup of tea before we start lecturing them they might be more receptive to our message.

Breakfast in bed and a nice wee chat is certainly a more civilised strategy.

Warning for Iain Lawson. This post contains swearing

Wasn’t there a story about Andy Ellis grassing the cybernats to the Daily Record during the 2014 Referendum campaign.

That was during the time he was living in England. He didn’t come to Scotland with his English family until after the British won the referendum.

All very weird.

He always pals up the whichever Unionists is trolling this site.

The current one is called Campbell. I call him ‘The Cock-a-leekie. (Campbell’s soup get it)

I call the pair ‘The Cunt & The Cock-a-leekie’

There are many stories about Ellis but at the moment I need to get on with ‘Clearing out my Clutter’ as advised by ‘Northcode No Nespresso’

I should maybe try to do his name in French, Spanish or maybe Italian.

‘Northcodio Senza Nespresso’

Strong italian accent needed.

Madonna santa!

PS I don’t think Ellis got himself blocked from Iain Lawson’s site I think one of his posts got moderated and he wasn’t happy.

I suspect it had something to do with moonhowling.

My worry about immigration is multi-culturalism.

link to tinyurl.com

Two recent sexual abuse cases involving young Romani girls have sparked a growing sense of outrage in Spain after courts noted the victims’ ethnicities and “cultural context” in their verdicts — in one case acquitting a man who impregnated a 12-year-old girl.

It’s always women & children who suffer.

Forced marriage, female genital mutilation, head covering, walking two step behind, being one of many wives, rape culture, child brides etc etc etc.

I bet if the above happened in the UK it wouldn’t be reported.

@Campbell Clansman 12.39pm

So, How many voted? Actual numbers, not evasions, not accusations of shadowy “Andy Ellis” (whoever he is) conspiracies.

It’s literally all the have bud. Tin foil hat conspiracy theorists convinced that MI5 are out to get them, who howl down any criticism for being closet yoons, and feel the need to try and hide the paucity of their support by refusing to be open and honest with the very Scottish people they insist are just itching to endorse their every move.

Delusional to a man/woman. Their heids are either empty or bung fu’ wi Brigadoon “whas like us?” fantasies that the independent Scotland of their dreams will somehow exist in a vacuum eschewing neo-liberalism and the rules based world order like the nutter Gordon Geko above @ 10.59am. We’d be a tartan Belarus if this bunch had their way. 🙂

Forgot about this in previous post

selective abortion which Humza Yousaf is very keen on.

That means unwanted girl babies can be aborted.

I’ve never heard of anyone having an abortion because their baby was a girl but it seems to be a thing among people from India/Pakistan

link to tinyurl.com

‘Families want a son at any cost’: the women forced to abort female foetuses in India

There is no obligation to answer or even read ‘The Cunt or The Cock-a-leekie’s’ posts.

Give them a V.

Northcode

Why is inequality in society something to know about? May I tell you..if you don’t already know … at some length?
It will have to wait though.

As controversy seems to continue as to which “mother tongue” we Scots require to adopt (or, indeed, learn) in order to throw off our apparent colonised status; be it some form of broad Scots (spelling to be yet determined), Gaelic or, mayhap, even Doric or Pictish perhaps we could commence by displaying our Scottishness with our dress.
Specifically our headgear. I grew up at a time when men almost universally wore a bunnet in Glasgow where I lived and worked. Unfortunately of course this type of flat cap originated in the north of our coloniser, England. (I’ve read a thesis which suggests it developed from Tudor times when it was apparently compulsory for men to wear only woollen headgear made in England). So we wouldn’t wish to revert to that.
The situation becomes even more complex with the almost universal adoption of the ubiquitous baseball cap, imported from the US. Perhaps a case of the English coloniser being colonised by their own former colony ?
So, let’s get right back to the traditional Scots Balmoral, a true descendant of the old Kilmarnock or broad bonnet.
That’ll be a fine, yet legal, sign of our commitment to independence. True Scots Blue Bonnets re emerging onto our streets, what could be a better public display of civic resistance !
Perhaps I should add, for the unco serious amongst us, that this post should not be taken altogether too seriously.

sam @ 7:19 am

“Do you envisage that Ireland will successfully persuade the Unionists in NI that all they need to do is decolonise themselves?”

It would appears that the majority in NI now supporting re-unification have already decolonised their minds.

Of course, the big difference between Scotland and NI is that few people are moving from GB to the latter, hence the nationalist majority will only grow further. Scotland’s nationalist support has been constrained through significant in-migration, which is mostly from rest-UK, with perhaps half of anti-independence voters (i.e. 1 million people) holding to other national identities and cultural emotion.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

V

Anyone want to bet me ‘The Cunt’ got moderated on the Iain Lawson site for personal abuse.

Chances are very high don’t you think

Give him the V and don’t believe any of his lies.

Fuck sake what is ‘Republicofscotland’ thinking.

We’re going to end up with the same old 24/7 ‘Cock Fight’ no doubt ‘Gerry the cock of the walk will be joining in soon’

Give them all the V!

@RoS 1.49pm

Look, we all know you have the hots for Uncle Vlad, but be honest for once, what proportion of the Scottish population do you really think share your worldview? I mean, it’s pretty obvious it’s a vanishingly small number, even if you have a coterie of wee cranks in here who lap it up….but what evidence is there ordinary folk actually fall for all this sophomoric student politics stuff?

Given the choice between Scotland-as-Belarus and Scotland-as-Denmark, which do you think folks are going to choose?

Andy: Congratulations on the Moonhowlers awarding you your very own “Andy Ellis Conspiracy” theory!

The sheer number of Moonhowler Conspiracy Theories is starting to equal the number of “Liberation” voters…..

Gordon Gekko – 11 July 2024 at 10:59 am

You are one of the few on here who gets it! Only thing is most of the rules might be US based but it is NOT the US that is pulling the strings behind the scenes but the same Mafias that own and control the US, UK, EU and most other PRIVATE CORPORATIONS known as countries on this planet as well as the UN which these people of Salvo/Liberation want to go grovelling to to enable Scotland to become as “independent” as all of these other PRIVATE CORPORATIONS all operating under these Mafias corrupt “Legal” and Banking/Financial etc systems.

That will be the same UN that is going to be the seat of the One World Communist Government and Social Credit and Digital ID System with NO cash and everyone is going to be happy owning NOTHING that every “independent” Government has been working together to help bring in via the FAKE Scamdemic – new one coming soon – FAKE DELIBERATE Cost of Living Crisis, FAKE Global Warming/Climate Change narrative, FAKE “Terrorism” etc – are they going to start a real war soon as part of this agenda or are they going to carry out a FAKE one via their corrupt controlled mainstream media/social media etc in order to SCARE the masses into their agenda as per George Orwell’s 1984? There ain’t going to be any voting if these Mafia Globalists get away with their UN Agenda 21/UN Agenda 2030 agenda so anyone who thinks that going to that corrupt UN PRIVATE CORPORATION with their “Legal” guff is going to get Scotland “independence” is just as delusional as those who are still members of of the SNP who think that that party is going for independence.

The people of this country just like every other country need to know all of this and how everything in our countries being a mess etc is DELIBERATE by our Governments and ALL Political Parties as part of all of this I have said above and that the simple and quick way out of this is to vote for INDEPENDENT candidates that know and are exposing all of this that is going on and who know that we should be printing our own debt and interest FREE money which will have the benefit of NO inflation unlike the continuous SCAM of the PRIVATE Central Banks owned by these Mafias keeping printing FAKE Counterfeit “money” and lending that NOTHING to our Governments plus interest on that NOTHING who then rob us of taxes to pay back that £Trillions of NOTHING.

That is REAL Independence – printing our own debt and interest FREE money with NO Inflation as per the Bradbury Pound/The Green back Dollar with NO need for any taxes the way it used to be – Your taxes pay for NOTHING anyway apart from funding wars, terrorism, immigration etc – and NO need to be part of any union such as the UK and EU etc PRIVATE Corporations as we would have the money to do everything that is needed to be done in this country. Who is going to vote AGAINST this REAL Independence is they were actually told about it especially having to pay NO taxes and having NO inflation. This is what everyone needs to know to make REAL change instead of the same old DRIVEL of this SCAM that every party continues as soon as they get into power. The Icelandic people did it many years ago when they arrested and jailed the politicians and bankers involved in this debt based SCAM and they wrote off all of the FAKE debt back then as well – A hint as to what needs to happen here and other countries as well.

I think that a number of folk on this forum really need to get out in the fresh air more.
Some folk think the illuminati are real.
The two questions you have to ask yourself before buying into any conspiracy theory are-
How many people would need to know about and be involved before it would work and how would you keep them quiet for ever.
Who are the “agents” that work on the ground and why do they never seem to bet caught?

The Britnats are ramping up again, even some new kid-on names to share.

Distract, divert, divide, rinse, repeat.

Wonder how long before they appear like a bad smell on the next post….

Northcode @ 14.39 & 15.13.

Glad to see that you have taken my sage suggestion re headgear in a similar fashion to the manner in which I take my porridge, Northy. (With a big pinch of salt and a horny spoon for those interested).
In the interests of full disclosure, however, I must admit to owning & wearing no less than two Balmorals (never both at once, I have not two faces) which aren’t strictly traditional, both having chequered headbands. One bright blue, one, for personal reasons, deep maroon.
Now, if my suggestion is acted upon, think of the scope for internicene disputes over whether chequered bands are marks of the coloniser (I truly have seen this suggested and argued) or should the ribbons at the rear be neatly tied or flow free in the breeze.
Gosh, I’m starting to really get into this.

SVEN
In the same vein….SNP approved dress; rainbow kilt, palestinian kuffiyah and tee proclaiming «look, no breasts».
Must get that on tiktok.

Sven

“With a big pinch of salt and a horny spoon…“ yer a devil, Sven.

I’m only half-joking. I’m genuinely open to the idea of a resurgence in bunnet wearing – fancy bunnets anyway.

My faither always wore a bunnet – he had a few (a couple of smart colourful ones, tae). The one I remember him wearing most, though, was the drab washed-oot working bunnet he wore to the yards.

I remember when the men would exit the yard gates in their hundreds – almost all wearing bunnets; a sea of bobbing bunnets.

Seems like yesterday. Time; we don’t feel it slipping away and it’s gone before we know it – attempting to hold onto it is like trying to pick up water with an open palm.

Damn it, Sven – you’ve made me go all nostalgic.

It has been quite a number of decades since I last heard “the man with the bunnet done it.”

CaptainHaddock
11 July, 2024 at 4:17 am

“@Dubh 5:40

You are correct Civil Disobedience is the only option left.”

Today’s spineless Scots doing Civil Disobedience?