Wings Over Scotland

Bravo! Bravo! Brilliant Chris, just brilliant!

There looks to be about 49 whales in this toon.

But where are they headed. Well that’s easy. Many now have their sights on being parachuted in to a new slot the Hollyrood parliament election. The list is already being made up.

The SNP have learned nothing. Their disdain and disregard for the public is absolute. And that is why they will be utterly replaced in 2026.

Nothing to see but soon there will be a big stink.

Excellent commentary! As good as it gets, in my opinion.

I wonder where the bodies will be buried?

We’re going to need a bigger patio.

Another cracker of a cartoon from talented CC. Plus my WOS set of “Hate Monster” badges arriving.
Turning out a better week than I had hoped for.

If John Swinney was the answer to the question then what was the question?

He’s done worse than Humza, I seen on the MSM the SNP will have a sort fall in funds of 9million. Was Swinney really the answer YES to protect Sturgeon in order for her to return what all the mess was settled I can’t help but hope the SNP is well gone before that.

More of an Undertaker than a Caretaker, but the party faithful love him anyway… just check the Wee Ginger Home for the Emotionally Fragile for confirmation.

Nice work Mr Cairns.

Xaracen,

I am still replying to your comments on Stu’s previous post heading, ( At a Loss) so as not to interfere with newer posts on wings,

Jeezus wept… If you don’t laugh you’d cry.

link to archive.ph

“With the election seeing the SNP return just nine MPs, down from 48 in 2019, Mr McDonald added that voters had effectively put a “hard pause” on the party’s independence agenda.

It’s possible I may have to get a likeness of this obsequious wee turd turned into a punchbag for stress relief. Not for punching you understand, but for running it over multiple times with a tractor.

100%Yes says on 13 July 2024 at 10:59 am: “Has anyone noticed how The RAG has become the newspaper for Labour.”

If that’s The Daily Record you are referring to then that’s the way it always has been, for as far back as i can remember. It has always promoted Labour

Breeks @ 11.29.

Affix the harrow to the tractor and have a few extra runs for me, Breekster. Preferably whilst humming that old Rolling Stone’s number, “It’s all over now”.

I feel there is a link here, something ahabian, but in reverse.

– they could rewrite the melville classic where ahab talks about “oh that white whale, whits he like, ahm gonnay get him”, while the pequod sails around the caribbean, visiting all the fleshpots, not hunting whales at all; the pequod is now a vast cruise liner, where the tourists just get fat and pass venereal diseases on to each other.

“From hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.”

Independence needs an Ahab.

Hate, again. Hate can change your life, embrace it. And if you don’t feel it right now, just wait if a certain football team get another lucky decision tomorrow night.

Ian Brotherhood
Ignored says:
13 July, 2024 at 1:26 pm
Alf Baird, Sara Salyers & John Brown doing podcast right now.

and a whopping 85 people viewed the youtube podcast at some point or another.

Out of 5.5 million Scots.

Great cartoon Chris and so apt,unfortunately it is the wrang bloated rancid carcases that have washed up on that beach ,at least real living whales have a funation, the other bloated and rancid carcases have shown they had NO FUNCTION

Why are ‘The Cunt & The Cock-a-leekie’ always so angry about Salvo?

It’s seems very strange.

Likewise about people discussing an alternative franchise?

They are a very weird pair the ‘Old Cunt & the Cock-a-leekie’ Mention salvo or franchise and it sets them off. They start screaming

Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers! Moonhowlers!

You don’t have to read or reply to anything ‘The Cunt & The Cock-a-leekie’ say. Ignore them give them the V.

They are just trouble making angry English Unionists and on top of that they just say the same thing over and over and over again.

The SNP is without a leader and without direction. They could stand upp offering free beer and bread and still they would crash.

The strange irony is having good John Swinney trying to manage the system is the final blow.

Ian Brotherhood
Ignored says:
13 July, 2024 at 4:48 pm
The hairy-arsed fact is that if, by some miracle, another referendum happened tomorrow, we’d lose.

Good to see someone here has some grasp of reality.
But your proposed solution:

“Scots who left Scotland ‘for work’ – no vote.”

Would disqualify WoS’s Stuart Campbell from voting!
Do you want to disqualify “Rev.” Stu?

Ian Brotherhood @ 4:48 pm

“The extent to which the franchise should be tweaked is a legitimate subject for debate.”

Indeed so. Self-determination and the goal of decolonization is about a defined ‘people’ and culture. Independence is a matter only for the colonized group.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Ruby

Trying to kindle your interest in Ireland I have tried to lead you down the Raglan Road and spokem about the Atomic Theory with regard to bicycles in particular.

Now to sayings from Myles na Gopaleen and Flann O’Brien.

“Waiting for the German verb is surely the ultimate thrill.”

“The Plain People of Ireland: Isn’t the German very like the Irish? Very guttural and so on?
Myself: Yes.
The Plain People of Ireland: People say that the German language and the Irish language is very guttural tongues.
Myself: Yes.
The Plain People of Ireland: The sounds is all guttural do you understand.
Myself. Yes.
The Plain People of Ireland: Very guttural languages the pair of them the Gaelic and the German.”

“Descartes spent far too much time in bed subject to the persistent hallucination that he was thinking. You are not free from a similar disorder.”

“Your talk,” I said, “is surely the handiwork of wisdom because not one word of it do I understand.”

“The majority of the members of the Irish parliament are professional politicians, in the sense that otherwise they would not be given jobs minding mice at a crossroads.”

The hairy-arsed fact is that if, by some miracle, another referendum happened tomorrow, we’d lose.

But that’s nonsense.

If the franchise can determine the result, then it defeats the purpose of having a referendum.

Why stop at the franchise? If the monopolised indoctrination on mainstream media passing itself off as “debate” is free to skew the narrative and break Purdah laws with impunity, then doesn’t that render the referendum result meaningless?

Keep it simple, but that doesn’t mean dutifully follow Westminster conventions or protocols.

Determine the state of the Union Treaty by it’s objective legitimacy under Scots Law, and since we already know it’s been irredeemably breached, terminate the Treaty and hold a ratification plebiscite of Scottish Nationals deemed eligible to vote by established International conventions.

In effect, we could even adopt Brexit as our precedent, where the decision to leave / end
the treaty was final, but a period and process of orderly transition was mutually agreed to allow an orderly disengagement of affairs.

The franchise argument is a red herring, a distraction, albeit the Establishment managed to misdirect the 2014 Referendum away from International convention. There are already internationally recognised conventions for who gets to vote in a constitutional referendum.

Why reinvent the wheel? Because Westminster demands we do? Kinda funny how Westminster always insists we Scots have to do things the hard way. We’re not the ones in habitual breach of the Articles of Union and defying Scotland’s sovereign constitution. Tell them to butt out of Scotland’s constitutional affairs.

If it’s okay for Ellis’s England-born ‘gammons and nativists’ (as he describes them in the previous thread) to up-sticks to Scotland and then be granted a vote on independence, why then isn’t the same privilege extended to those Scots, now ‘ex-pats’, who left Scotland for work?

Because that’s not the way self determination franchises work. They have almost invariably used open, residence based criteria. Very few have varied that basic principle and the few which have have usually been seen as outliers because there was a strong argument in favour of varying it.

This was the case in e.g. Timor L’Este (due to historic colonisation and decades of Indonesian oppression and ethnic cleansing) or New Caledonia, which is regarded by the UN as a non self governing territory and thus clearly a case od de-colonisation.

Elsewhere, the franchises used were in line with that used in Scotland in 2014, or in some cases even more open. Many former Soviet republics allowed Soviet troops and recent immigrants (many of whom had been “planted” there post 1945 by Moscow to help cow the natives in to submission) to participate in their self determination votes.

People who have moved away from Scotland should not be given a vote, even if they *might* become citizens of Scotland post independence. How many of the estimated 800,000 Scots born folk in the rest of the UK have an intention of ever returning? How many might take up citizenship? I bet the answer is not many to the former, and a lot more in the case of the latter. That still doesn’t mean they should get a say in whether independence happens though, as they have no real skin in the game right now, do they?

The political kamikazes here are the nativists and franchise restriction advocates. The international community will never accept it. Many in your own movement wont accept it. The UK government is likely not to accept it. You don’t have the support and are vanishingly unlikely ever to be able to build a majority for it either, because it looks and feels Trumpian/Faragist to most Scots, who – however much it pains you – remain resolutely wedded to civic nationalism.

Nativism has all the intellectual rigour, and similar levels of popular support, to TRA extremism and genderism. Another wedge issue that’s a crap idea advanced by a minority of cranks.

Northcode speaks of “indigenism”–“those indigenous natives belonging to the ancient nation of Scotland.”

Precisely who would be “indigenous” (and, presumably, entitled to vote) in Northcode’s world?

Certainly not recent Irish immigrants and their descendants. Who, BTW, make up a large proportion of the Indy movement. Among those who aren’t (by Northcode’s definition) “indigenous” Scots are Ash Regan, Stephen Flynn and John Swinney. Not to mention the late Sean Connery.

Certainly not Anas Sarwar and Humza Yousaf.
Certainly not Nicola Benedetti of the Edinburgh Festival.
Certainly not director Armando Ianucci.
Certainly not Alba Party Chairperson, London-born Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh.

Would everyone is Scotland have to take a DNA test to prove their ancestors were “ancient Scottish” (whatever that is) and thus entitled to vote?

@Breeks (6.49) –

If by ‘nonsense’ you mean my statement that we’d lose another referendum tomorrow, that’s fair enough because I’m shite at predictions. I thought we’d win in 2014 with, if memory serves, 63.4% or thereabouts. I also had £15 on Scotland to emerge from the group stages in the fitba. 🙁

The constitutional argument, in legal terms, is one thing. You believe it’s solid as do I and many others here. But there are also those who dismiss it out of hand as ancient irrelevant guff. How that can ever be resolved, and by whom, is well beyond my ken. But that’s one for the lawyers.

Our role, as mere voters, is simply to vote. And that’s why the franchise ‘argument’ is anything but a red herring – the determination of eligibility raises vital questions of identity that can’t be ignored for the sake of conforming to some nebulous here-today-gone-tomorrow ‘woke’ version of democracy.

It could be claimed that the franchise is as close to a legal definition of ‘nationality’ as anyone can reasonably expect. So we have to get it right, for all our sakes, and being ‘accommodating’ as per the 2014 franchise is madness when we have so many bad faith actors at large.

“You’ve misunderstood. But I should’ve perhaps made the point clearer.”

Your point was perfectly clear, Ian.

I suspect it was deliberately isolated from its original context and used in what rhetorical terms is called ‘fallacy of accent’.

A deceitful ploy in argument that twists the original words of an opponent which are then used to attack that opponent’s own argument.

If used subtly it can be a very effective tactic. But it was used clumsily against you, and so the tactic failed.

I gave an Irish surname, and have Irish ancestory. Essentially going back 3 generations. I consider myself an indigenous Scot. My name comes from my great great grandfather, who moved to Greenock in 1835.

I also have Grant and Jones. So like most Scots a bit of an amalgam. I don’t think for one minute Northcode was suggesting we had to trace our ancestors back to Kenneth Mcalpin to be indigenous.

Non indigenous is first generation settlers. Or those with no traceable Scottish heritage.

In 5 years time Britain will vote for Reform in big numbers. And Scotland will vote for Reform as well. That’s what will happen. I see Labour is abandoning Scottish oil and gas.

Sir Kier would prefer the false green agenda. The global south and world war 3 as his new religions of Britain.

The SNP will be bankrupt? Or will they survive on a shoe string budget?

Alba Party have to act fast. They must adopt anti-immigration rhetoric – although they will never do so. Reform came out of nowhere and finished third because they are anti-immigration.

That’s the truth. We need an Alba Party that believes in cultural protectionism. A Scotland for the Scots.

Yet the French voted left wing? So they’ll say OH look at France OH we believe in OPEN FUCKING BORDERS VIVA FRANCE.

That’s what they’ll say.

link to nytimes.com

Look at this. The French have polarised. They’ve gone left wing and right wing.

The lefties have it! A divided France. But the SNP will say. “Oh look. Look at the PROGRESSIVE, INCLUSIVE OUTWARD LOOKING, EUROPEAN, EU LOVING FRENCH FUCKS.

Voting for open fucking borders and the globabal communist world order.

Get me another covid vaccine, pronouns they/them.

Explain that one to me?

“We are not english, nor do we want to be”

link to archive.is

– this really bugs the nigels; if you are an anglo-narcissist then “to be an englishman is to have won the lottery of life …” and this hacks at the heart of this, core belief; no, we are not just anglos with funny accents, we are a separate people. It also implies, the most natural thing, is for us all to fuck off someday. More panic, living darn south, on a floodplain, with all the ethnics, and no escape hatch with a lot of really reasonably priced property.

England Germany semifinal 1996 – I was in Skye, glorious day, had climbed Sgurr nan Gillean and descended down the back via Lota/Harta corrie; got back to the Sligachan Hotel for some food and a beer … the fucking england game was on the bigscreen … and so watching it, noshing away I realise … wait a minute, this place is full of english cunts, just everywhere – WHY OH WHY DO WE NOT COMPEL THEM TO WEAR TOP HATS IN PUBLIC UP HERE? – and they were getting their hopes up, but I thought – Germany, reliable, and they did not disappoint. Silence, desolation – and more beer for me. Happy days.

curiously – KUNTZ scored for Germany that day, but – CUNTS – always score for england. Gazza missed a sitter, late on, and Southgate missed the penalty.

there may have been sporadic choruses of flower of scotland and deutschland uber alles.

a classic

link to youtube.com

from the times before women had tattoos and a man could wear a suit like that and not be gay

Reports coming in that Donald Trump had to be rushed off stage at a rally after gun shots.

We need to await for the news to break but this suggests the USA is a country that could rip itself apart very easily.

Only trump could survive an assassination attempt. It’s unbelievable. Nothing can stop him.

Good luck to Trump. I don’t agree with lots of his politics. The rhetoric he uses about migrants flooding in from emptying jails – I don’t agree with that. But I do agree with cultural protectionism. For Britain. I want control of our borders. And I agree with Trump’s plans to cancel Gender Ideology. So there’s a lot you can like about him.

Stop the war. I hope he wins. victory to Donald Trump!

The shooter is dead and two by-standers dead.

The bullet grazed his ear. Unbelievable.

Joe Biden at the NATO conference was too much for them.

Get it fucking up them. They fucking failed. We need to abolish NATO.

Trump want to end the War.

The Biden administration want war. The American establishment want war.

With Trump doing well electorally it’s not difficult to guess that the deep state wanted to take Trump out. That’s how the US works. It’s how the Brit establishment works too… DR David Kelly, Willie MacRae, Pat Finucane et al.

Not sure why you are laying into David Hannah, robertknight. I think he’s one of the few on here worth reading.

Robert. I believe in the Scottish and a Scotland for the scots.
It’s why reform finished third. Alba need to recognise that the migrants are pissing off the natives because they are being elevated higher in society than the natives.

Like the free bus passes for asylum seekers. Why would we pay for illegals to come and roam our country for free?

Have you seen the Channel 4 documentary about the muslim man that pushed his preganant wife off the cliff – Arthur’s seat – murdering her in 2021?

In our country – we don’t tend to throw our women from tall buildings or high heights. We need a bit of cultural protectionism. Homes for the Scots. Rest in peace to the victim.

Which is why reform came third in Scotland. Until the SNP and the Alba Party start listening to the natives then the woke left can get off their high horse. We don’t give a damn what you think. We don’t like the migrants.

Dan or Ruby how do you search for a comment by an individual on wings

Mac @ 05.46.

I’m at the stage where I truly don’t know what to believe now, Mac. Assassination attempt or “False Flag” ?
Thesis … Appear to make an attempt on Trump’s life.
Antithesis … Trump support rallies, sweeps to victory.
Synthesis … Even more crushing and authoritarian state measures to crush resistance in
the name of “security and public safety”.
I know, I’m entering the land of the terminally silly here, and yet I feel the presence and actions of the puppeteers behind the actors onstage whose performances we see.

And, David Hannah, you’re mentioning interesting things.

twathater
Ignored
says:
14 July, 2024 at 3:33 am

Dan or Ruby how do you search for a comment by an individual on wings

Mornin’ twathater

This is how I would do it. Dan might have a better method.

You would open the page and then go to find in browser.

I’m using Firefox and I go to Edit then ‘find in page’ and a search box comes up at the foot of the page. Type in name of individual. There are little up/down arrows to scroll through results.

I imagine it would be pretty similar in other browsers.

To search entire site you would type the following into address bar in browser

site: wingsoverscotland.com word/phrase/name of poster you want to find

ie

site: wingsoverscotland.com twathater

You could do that first and then refine search with method described above.

Have fun!

There is also the WOS Search facility below the About comment at the Top Right Hand Side of the web page.

Oh , and predictably , the putative perp has been , conveniently , ” taken out ” . Another Deep State ” patsy ” ?

“If I was Biden I’d hurry up and have Trump murdered on the basis that he is a threat to America’s security #SCOTUS.”

Said but a few days ago by BBC correspondent David Aaronovich.

Good old BBC calling it like it is, or do I misunderstand.

Robert Hughes @ 09.13.

Please stop, Robert, I’m barely hanging on to the rim of the rabbit hole by my fingernails as is.
Brain hurts !

link to channel4.com

The Push. Murder on the Cliff.

This is about the case David Hannah mentioned earlier.

It’s interesting but the ad breaks are very long.

Islamic divorce
Honour based abused are new terms to me.

It’s a whole different culture.

‘Behaving like a British women.’ is an insult.

We need Trump to win.

Look at our energy bills. With the war in Europe. We’ve had to pay through the roof in Scotland. The land of energy plenty.

Sturgeon wants to shut down Scotland’s north sea oil and gas. And so does Sir Kier. How DARE they! Trump will restore the United States oil and gas industry. What’s not to like about prosperity?

Humza Yousaf gave all of our money away. £24 million to John Kerry – The climate SCAM! To level up Africa. That’s building a new river nile. Even Ethiopia – the World’s poorest country is building a multi billion Mega Dam. And the Scots can’t even build a road – the A9.

Our politicians want to shut down our economy. The LEZ. The business rate increases. The demolition of our high streets – buchanan galleries, the concert hall and st enochs centre in glasgow all sheduled for demolition. The city is a disgrace.

The NHS is fucked. The nurses are using foodbanks because the cost of living has SKYROCKETED! like the missiles over the middle east!!! And they import foreign labour. Elevate them above the natives. Give them jobs.

They despise our country. They despise our way of life. They hate us.

They hated Alex Salmond. The Me Too Movement. Then we had Black lives Matter.

They’ve came and stolen football from us. The Sport is unaffordable for many. They’ve sanitised the beautiful game. The players can’t talk to the referee. The players can’t tackle or celebrate a goal.

I’m fucking sick of it. And Gender has poisoned our country. Destroyed the independence cause and put women at risk.

Domestic abuse – you want to increase domestic abuse. You let the scourge of the third world in from Afghanistan, Iraq. Where there is no democracy. Where they flood europe with weapons funded by NATO. They destabalise our way of life further.

I can’t be the only person that so clearly sees this.

Then they give the migrants free bus passes.

Get to fuck SNP. GET TO FUCK!

We don’t want county lines.

We don’t want county lines. Abusing our young women and girls. Allowing them to punt their smack and do their dirty work.

We don’t want our young woman treated like “KAFIR”

Whores. That’s what these migrants are doing. I took a walk up the river clyde yesterday. All the way up to glasgow green. Transmit music festival is on. Liam Gallacher. All the glasgow girls are dolled up.

GANGS of loitering BLACK migrant men. GANGS. Oggling the girls. They have never seen woman like this before in their country. And they see them as Whores some of them.

Fortunately we beleive in freedom in the west. OUR FREEDOM. Our country.

Which is ironic because we’re the only country that rejected its own freedom – ahahaha. But I voted YES. My conscience is clear.

I tried to Free Scotland. I chose Hope Over Fear. We are the 45!

Joe Biden was pleased to hear that Kamala Harris was ok following the shooting.

Re Trump incident.
Heard a witness interview stating the guy , boy, was visible for minutes before any shooting.
I can’t be the only one wondering if he was just waiting for the trigger track
“Right ear , right now.”

Derek @11.39am.

Excellent sarcasm, did you see the look on Zzz’s face when G-en-oc-ide Joe, introduced him as President Pooooo-t-in.

Some of the media puppets are so programmed to applaud whatever a G–rea–t S–at-an POTUS says something that they burst into applause when B-id–en said it.

Sven says on 14 July 2024 at 7:55 am:
“My goodness, that photo I’m seeing all over the internet is so totemic it could almost be posed. The clear blue sky backdrop, the surrounding SS agents framing rather than protecting Mr Trump from any further shots, an American flag clearly in shot and right in the middle the man himself. Photogenic trickle of blood, defiant under attack, hand raised in triumph in a pose which is reminiscent of the group of American soldiers raising the flag at Iwo Jima.”

What’s this all about, Sven? I’ve been out of the loop for a few days. Someone attempted to take Trumps life?

Stoker @ 13.03.

A 20 year old registered republican male was shot and killed by a Police sniper at a Republican rally yesterday after shooting at ex President Trump and wounding his right ear.
One male bystander was killed and two others wounded.
That’s about the clearest info I’ve got Stokes, doubtless more is yet to come.

Interesting that the guy was a republican. I suppose that makes sense though, when you think about it.

I wonder what they had on him.

Hatuey
Ignored
says:
14 July, 2024 at 1:44 pm

Interesting that the guy was a republican…

Aye, Interesting and like you imply convenient.

Cheers, Sven, Hats and gm.

The West is at war with its own people. Anybody that stands up for the people, or attempts to tell them what’s going on, is on the hit list.

That’s who they were really trying to take out last night, the American people. Half of them are living in abject poverty. Trump wants to give them jobs and make their lives great again.

Scotland went through what America is going through now back in the 1980s. We were ahead of the curve. We didn’t have a Trump to make Scotland great again and, being a colony, life was never that great here anyway.

The Scottish people have no fight in them. That’s what’s missing. Some say it’s historical, a defeated spirit that can be traced back to Culloden. I think they’re probably just conflicted.

Northcode
Ignored says:
14 July, 2024 at 1:56 pm

But three into five don’t go, so I think Adelaide’s might be better than mine – but only just.

Nope. Adelaide’s was crapsey, yours was simply crap.

Hatuey
Ignored
says:
14 July, 2024 at 2:43 pm

The West is at war with its own people. ..

I see it that way as well Hatuey. The Outer party has formed. State institutions sold off or neutered, private institutional capacity outsourced, the traditional press no more than a tool of the Outer party. Universities corrupted. It’s a crumbling mess.

The vast bulk of the people do not believe in extreme economic and political liberalism and are therefor an enemy of sorts.

Sven

You’re a gentleman.

Looks like I didn’t do enough erasing and re-writing and just went with my first effort We live and we learn – well, some us, anyway. I might try a Limerick next. Five lines long where the dominant foot is the anapest.

I’ll make a start now…

There once was a twat called dasBlimp…

“There once was a twat called dasBlimp”,
Who walked with an unpronounced limp.

Never mind getting exercised about an almost routine occurrence in American politics, that being an assassination attempt on a President. Ever since their Independence day it was ever thus. Look out for partisan disinformation. Also the forthcoming European Championships final. I am on an emotional roller coaster watching a Scotsman trying to win a Scottish Open. Come on Bob MacIntyre.

There once was a guy called dasBlimp
Who walked with an unpronounced limp,
Though Blimpish by name
And by nature the same
We happily tolerate the imp.
Boom Boom.

Obviously the Onlooker doesn’t know ‘The Cunt’ very well.

No chance of ‘The Cunt or The Cock-a-leekie’ taking a long hard look at themselves! Ha! Ha! Ha! that suggestions made me laugh.

Onlooker must be a new boy.

Those who need to take a long hard look at themselves are those crazies who reply to ‘The Cunt or The Cock-a-leekie’ and continue this never ending discussion about the franchise.

Cheers for the links, RoS. I was familiar with Gladio and the immediate post-war problem of what to do with all the communists and socialists in the “liberated” countries (those who were on our side and who we supported against the Nazis).

The situation in Greece at the end of the war was particularly interesting. By interesting I mean totally shocking and disturbing. It’s still a sensitive issue to this day.

It seems like we have transitioned to a system where big business, hedge funds, and banks are in the driving seat, where before they were simply passengers who had a lot of influence over politicians and the direction of travel. It’s flipped.

We are essentially talking about fascism but it’s considered somewhat old fashioned today to give emphasis to the essential business-oriented purpose of fascism — today a fascist is defined as a bad man or something but it wasn’t always that simple. As Mussolini put it;

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism…”

All sorts of unpleasant things happen in societies that give too much power to the rich. History, in a sense, is really a journal of examples.

Nice one Sven. Much better than that effete dross Northcode dribbles onto his keyboard.

Ellis, you refuse to answer basic questions but that won’t make the questions go away.

What difference does it make to you what others in here believe or say about independence, Vlad, nativism, etc?

The route to independence that you support couldn’t be more dead. Alba didn’t win one single seat. The SNP is in tatters. The legal/constitutional route is probably more unlikely than a people’s revolt.

You’re a busted flush, kiddo.

Okay, I guess you’re all waiting on my prediction for the football…

I expect Spain to hammer England and score 4 goals. If England get a goal, it’ll be a penalty or some sort of fluke.

My only concern is that Spain go one or two up and start defending…

35 to 1 at Ladbrokes for Spain to in 4-1.

I see in the media that the Trump shooter has been repeatedly described as a Republican voter.

In some states of America, they operate a system called Closed Primaries where you need to register to the party you want to vote for. These are elections to vote for the Presidential candidate.

link to en.wikipedia.org

In these states, supporters of the opposite party declares themselves as a supporter of the other one in order to vote for the worst candidate that will face their candidate at the Presidential election.

In this case, Democrats declares themselves as Republicans even though they have never voted for Republicans or financially contribute to the party and get to vote in the Primaries where they will vote for the weakest candidate in the hope they are elected Presidential candidate and make it easier for Biden to get re-elected.

There’s nothing illegal about this tactic but a strange way to run an electoral system.

It’s possible that the shooter had did this or maybe is a genuine Republican supporter. Strange though that the media are making a lot about this fact above other things as well as reminding us at every minute about the 2020 ‘insurrection’.

I don’t have a dug in the fight about this one but the whole things feels surreal.

Was a bit bored and was sitting through the start of the ITV coverage of the Euro’s final.

Up pops Sir Knight of the realm and his Labour party political broadcast laced in with the occasional reference of how big an English supporter he is and a win for England unite the ‘nation’

Compare this to the election campaigning where he kept schtum about who he professes to support and at one time wore a white t-shirt whereas all those around him worse English tops.

Entirely predictable the total change after he has won and shows his true character to those who are gullible to think his is going to bring genuine change.

@Hatuey 6.55pm

Delusional nonsense as usual: already addressed on the other thread.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

OMG!

‘The Cunt’ says he’s not mad!

It’s everyone else who is mad!

Mad! Mad! Mad! Moonhowling mentalists! Natavistic Vlad Fluffers with their cunning plans for indie. Mad! Mad! Mad!

‘The New Boy Onlooker’ might know ‘The Cunt’ a wee bit better now.

Ach go on tell him again that he should be more self-aware. Ha-ha he he ho ho!

They´re coming to take him away,
Haha, they´re coming to take him away,
Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
To the funny farm
HA HAAAA

Where’s ‘The Cock-a-leekie’? His pal might need some emotional support!
Come on Cock-a-leekie let’s hear your cock-a-doodle doo!

Ellis, your party, its policies, and its proposition for the advancement of independence was put to the people in an election just a few days ago. It was resoundingly rejected.

You are in no position to be putting anyone down when it comes to the Indy cause.

But the defeat represented even more than that. As Alf intimates, the very idea that independence can be achieved through the ballot box with the consent of the colonial masters in London now looks as far-fetched as any moon-howling plan you’ll find on here.

I’m not offended by you hanging on to your pipe dream. I’m just bored with your unending attacks on others who at least deserve credit for not buying into it in the first place.

Article link to what I was talking about the Labour leader saying ‘whole country is behind England’

link to archive.is

I wonder what ‘Scottish’ Labour has to say about this?

As the commentary just said. The best team won the tournament.

George Ferguson – indeed. Inevitable outcome really, always going to be a very tough ask for England who were second best but they were not embarrassed. Football won tonight with Spain’s victory, they are the complete side.

A good day for Spain , first Wimbledon with young Carlos and then the daft game wi’ a wee ba’- felicidades!

So much for Prince William playing a bigger part to save the Union.

link to archive.is

Prince George and Prince William experienced a full range of emotions as they watched England play Spain in the Euros 2024 final.

The royal father and son watched the Three Lions lose against Spain at Olympiastadion in Berlin this evening.

After Spain scored earlier in the match, Prince George looked visibly disappointed as he took a seat next to his father.

But Cole Palmer’s glorious goal reignited the royals’ dream of a Euros win this evening.

The father-and-son looked visibly tense and holding their heads in their hands as Cole neared the goal.

The father and son appeared visibly heartbroken as they stared out at the pitch with their heads in their hands

The royal pair then jumped up out of their seats and shouted in celebration alongside Keir Starmer.

Following their celebration, Prince William turned to hug Prince George, who appeared overwhelmed with joy.

However, William and George’s joy was short-lived as Spain scored again just minutes later – thereby securing the Euros 2024 victory.
The father and son appeared visibly heartbroken as they stared out at the pitch with their heads in their hands.

Posting from the official Kensington Palace account just seconds after
the final whistle, he commiserated with the team after watching them closely miss out on victory.

William wrote: ‘This time it just wasn’t meant to be. We’re all still so proud of you. Onwards @England. W.’

For background, article from 2021:

link to archive.is

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are to be asked to spend more time in Scotland under plans reportedly being drawn up by palace officials to bolster the Union.

Kate and William would spend additional time at Balmoral and strengthen ties with their former university town of St Andrews if the proposals go ahead, according to the Sunday Times.

The report comes just days after the couple’s tour of Scotland in which William said the country was “so important” to himself and wife.
On the final day of their visit, William and Kate held a meeting with Gordon Brown who has recently launched a renewed campaign to save the Union.

@ Hatuey

Maybe a sort of Manchurian Candidate scenario?

That isn’t too much of a fanciful idea considering how addicted mostly young people are with their lack of emotional development. due to not socially interacting with people as much as they should. The individual is already in a vulnerable position and joins a Whatsapp group with unknown actors egging him on until he gets in the position he is in now.

I’m sure they’ll make a Hollywood movie out of it someday.

PacMan: ”Maybe a sort of Manchurian Candidate scenario?”

Possibly. In most cases I would expect it’s easier to just threaten, bribe, blackmail, etc.

Sirhan Sirhan seems to believe he was hypnotised in some way and thought he was shooting at a firing range when he took aim at RFK. RFK junior believes him. One way or another, something like 13 shots were fired and Sirhan’s gun was capable of firing only 8…

The attempt to assassinate Trump has all the hallmarks of an inside job. Al Jazeera had an eye witness on last night that said matter of factly that there were two shooters. Other witnesses claim the police were alerted to the presence of a shooter and did nothing.

The way they’re playing it down is highly suspicious, too. I missed Biden’s appeal for calm — “nothing to see here, eat your porridge and stfu” — but I see that all of a sudden we are supposed to bow to Biden’s wisdom and authority. What a difference a week makes.

I despise Bill Clinton. A truely horrible man. Who cheated on his horrible wife Hilary.

As he got his massage on Epstien Island by the young women. We know this happened. We just can’t prove it.

The clintons the hilary clinton foundation. Her deeds would shame all the devils in hell.

I will take great delight in seeing them all SACKED across the pond. It’s coming. And not a day too soon.

He’s unstoppable. Donald Trump. Meanwhile the democrats have senile and demented puppet Joe Biden as candidate.

Dementia is setting in rapidly. He should be in a home. But EVIL JILL. She’s pure EVIL. The first lady SHAME on her.

Kate Forbes has her orders from the Clinton Foundation. Not to rock the boat.

Well. It’s time that the Americans sacked the lot of them. I hope. And I pray. That this all materialises. It’ll be a great day for humanity when trump is elected by the americans. Black lives matter will be absolutely raging.

We’ve suffered long enough. No more apologising for existing. Come on Donald. Bring it home!

Perhaps someone could set Campbell Clansman right on the, ” Claim of right” over on Stu’s previous post thread ” At a Loss,

He might be literate but he cannot combine it with intelligent historical records.

@Hatuey 8.58 am

It’s true Alba did badly. Time will tell whether the party makes progress between now and the 2026 Holyrood elections I suppose. If a week is a long time in politics, who knows what might happen? I think anyone trying to extrapolate from the performance of Alba in a Westminster election to the failure of, and need to replace, the whole parliamentary system is simply delusional.

Speaking of delusional, Alf’s curious obsession with post-colonial theory appears to enjoy even less support than Alba. Since the adherents of “cunning plans for indy” aren’t going to be putting themselves up for anything as troublesome as elections, or using a referendum or plebiscitary election victory to show us they enjoy majority support, it’s up to them to demonstrate how they operationalise their novel route to independence and persuade the international community to recognise the outcome.

I’m not offended by you hanging on to your pipe dream either. I’m just bored with the unending pish coming out of the usual suspects and their assurances – with no evidence whatsoever – that their approach could ever work. They don’t deserve any credit credit in my view. The fact they are credulous enough to buy into such magical thinking in the first place tells us everything we need to know about them.