Your Enemy’s Enemies
The Scottish Greens, in a feat of remarkable hubris and financial profligacy, stood 44 candidates in this week’s general election, knowing that most of them would lose their deposits, which they duly did.
But not quite all of them. And there the comedy arose.
Because while SNP boneheads on social media are raging idiotically at Alba, Wings and others for causing division and damaging the unity of the indy cause yada yada yada, a small handful of Green candidates made a real difference.
Working on the reasonable assumption that most Green votes would have gone to the SNP in the absence of a Green candidate – given the parties were in coalition till five minutes ago – the 4,233 votes that went to creepy abusive crossdressing bloke Iris Duane would have given the seat to Alison Thewliss (pictured NOT winning it, above).
Over in Edinburgh East and Musselburgh, the 4,669 votes won by Amanda Grimm would have been more than enough to keep Tommy Sheppard in place.
And the Greens also made sure the Tories held Dumfries & Galloway as they battled the SNP to see whose vote could fall the most.
The SNP candidate’s the one on the left, by the way. For now.
But it gets better. Back in Glasgow, “he/him” Green candidate Niall Christie – who had urged people to vote against Labour in order to protect queer and trans rights – got 5,554 votes which would otherwise likely have saved the job of Stewart McDonald, and handed the seat to Labour instead, despite the apparent voice of Mount Florida.
Only one response seems appropriate:
But we’ve saved the best for last. Because at least those three Greens got double-digit vote shares, saved their deposits and came a respectable 3rd. But up in Stirling and Strathallan, a proper no-hoper trailed in 6th, lost his deposit but still managed to leech away 2,320 votes that would have saved the job of… Alyn “Daddy Bear” Smith.
Readers, irony hasn’t come this thick and juicy since Nicola Sturgeon’s long-time consigliere, and hyper-aggressive transactivist, Mhairi Hunter (below, top) lost her job on Glasgow City Council to Scottish Greens dude-in-a-dress Elaine Gallagher.
We congratulate and thank the Scottish Greens for doing a useful service to Scottish and UK politics for the first time in their lives, and offer them our heartfelt wishes for many more such successes in future.
Allison Thewliss of Glasgow Central deserved to go. The homeless queue up under Glasgow Central every night. An Indoor Soup Kitchen doesn’t exist. She didn’t care enough to do anything about it.
I’m delighted she’s lost her seat thanks to a wokey Green taking SNP votes.
I couldn’t help but chuckle ?
That is truly hilarious.
Laugh??? I nearly paid my SNP subscription fee.
That fair cheered me up on a very dreich Sunday evening! 🙂
Who was it said that “politics is show biz for ugly people?”
Glad my tea was well settled before I clocked this article.
All of these areas are chock full of English students and/or trust funders up in Scotland for the ‘leftist’ paradise.
Possibly the best WOS article of 2024.
Gosh, I did enjoy that !
I actually love you ?
I love you bro ?
Great picture of Alison Thewliss.
Fair cheered me up when I heard she was out, deselected, chucked, given the order of the boot. And boy she deserved it.
But the picture of her blotchy, distraught,tear stained face is an absolute beauty to behold.
Great that she’s gone.
“Mhairi Hunter (below, top)”
PMSL, superb as always.
Some commenters here actually believe politicians prioritize the public’s interest rather than their own.
What world do they live in?
Of course the Green Party pursued their perceived self-interest. Why would anyone expect differently?
You want an independent Scotland? Then get 70% support for it among the Scottish people. I can assure you that the politicians, to save their jobs, will then act.
All this anti-historical moonhowling about the 1707 Act, or the Claim of Right, is just a waste of everyone’s time–and embarrasses the Indy cause.
44% (2014 referendum) or 47% (current polls) doesn’t do it, folks.
The Sham Nationalist Party don’t do irony, but if they did…
As for that photo… A belter!
Henceforth to be known asAlison (Of the tears and snotters) Thewliss.
Congratulations, we’ve found the thing that FPTP is good for.
Oh, that is fucking priceless!
On the last two photos which is Gallagher and which is Hunter, I mean which is the woman and which is the man?
On the Greens at least they did something right for a change even if it was inadvertent, but I still wouldn’t vote for them.
Well done the Greens.
With pals like that etc.
That was seriously enjoyable.
“But we’ve saved the best for last.… Alyn “Daddy Bear” Smith.”
You sure did. He was my second least favourite after Wishart.
Some you win, some you lose, but at 9 seats and I am not going to quibble.
So sweet it was the coalition with the greens to shut out ALBA, that effectively killed him off. He oxygenated his future suffocators.
10lbs of shit in a 5lbs bag, sneering, arrogant, Sturgeon, wank.
So does that mean we have to thank YOULESS for actually doing something right?
It was inevitable.
You’ve got to hand it to the bo heided Greens, priceless eejits, every last one of them.
The facts of reality that it was the Greens that lost nuSNP Westminster seats is irrelevant.
It doesn’t fit the narrative of the nuSNP because it would unravel part’s Nicola Sturgeon’s legacy, the one being of the first leader of a political administration in the UK to bring the Greens into government.
As the likes of McDonald are no longer protected by Parliamentary Privilege, might we hear less from them now?
And will WoS be providing one, of many, platforms to Joanna Cherry KC?
Finally, with this round of politics out the way, are you doing any further ice lolly features?
What’s the Campbell’s Soup du Jour?
It’s yesterday’s left over ‘Pea & Ham’.
It’s disgusting it look like a bowl of snotters!
All of them could still now be in a cushy job had they just chosen to not be complete arseholes… but no.
It is in their DNA.
People better get ahead planning for post Holyrood 2026 as this clowntown shower of imbeciles are not learning a single lesson from 9 seats in WM.
‘kin beautiful irony , are the Coen Brothers writing this script ?
Imagine getting gubbed by pronouns ,’specially as you were so nice to the pronouns , took them into yr house , made them feel special , gave them jobs n loadsa money , n then they go n fuck-up the deal by siphoning off votes that were RIGHTFULLY YOURS ! Crying shame .
Alias Smith n MacDonald , though , hahahaha , undone by the Gender Agenda beneficiaries they so avidly promoted n Sheppard similarly by a Green named Grimm !
Pure gold 🙂
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Just testing to see why my posts are disappearing.
Who is VT. Must be n*ippy
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Mhairi the pal & Val the Pal look alike.
The Scottish Greens are the lowest of the low in Scottish politics, IMHO.
But inadvertently, they did the independence cause a favour, and gave the last laugh to the Rev. Stuart Campbell.
“Campbell Clansman
says:
7 July, 2024 at 10:07 pm
…47% (current polls)…”
47% of what? Population, voters, respondents? Please qualify.
All that TRA funding to the Green party sure came in handy.
It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of useless troughers & it’s delicious that it came via their very own chums.
Remember folks, the young are our parties future. Hahahaha!
Seeing the Quizzer Allyn Smith unemployed pleases me no end. It warms the cockles of my heart. Oh the irony of being unseated by his fellow Queers.
“Then get 70% support for it among the Scottish people.”
Away & behave ya undemocratic, fasc*st eejit.
“Imagine getting gubbed by pronouns”
LMAO!
I guess that’s Alyns light well & truly extinguished.
The Union was kept in place with 55% of the population. Yet Clansman thinks we need 70% to end it!!
Democracy for Dummies. Majority = winner.
He also quotes 47% support. In actual fact the poll of polls has Yes somewhere between 50 and 51%. I will remind him that the last referendum proposal had pre vote polls at 28%.
In fact we can have as many referendums as we wish. That’s democracy. If we vote for it we get it.
Anything else is blatant fascism.
It seems trans rights are more important than independence these days?
Big Jock
Ignored says:
8 July, 2024 at 12:08 am
In actual fact the poll of polls has Yes somewhere between 50 and 51%.
Statista’s average of polls shows 47%. I cited that to be generous to Indy. Take a look at “What Scotland Thinks” which is linked to at WoS–so that even the dullest Indy supporter can find it. The latest three polls there (Savanta of July 2, YouGov and Redfield & Wilton) show 44%, 37% and 46% of Scots would vote Yes in a referendum.
Note that I cite specific polls and specific numbers. You should try it sometime….
Fin
That’s the memo from the globalists.
LGBTQWERTYS2+++++++ is to trump every other cause.
In every single country & coming in thick & fast to every single parliament near you.
Labour will be full steam ahead now they’re in No10. They’ll be earning their donations.
If only the clowns we have could identify as being MPs/MSPs from an independent country eh? We can now just imagine everything.
Clansman Campbell
We should have one big massive poll eh?
Let’s call it a referendum.
What you scared of?
Geri, we’ve already had a referendum on Indy.
But if you like referenda deciding things, how about a UK referenda on whether we should get rid of the Holyrood Parliament?
What are you scared of?
Absolutely nothing in the rules to say we can’t have another one. In fact it’s been the democratic will of Scotland since 2014. Did you miss it?
I’d be up for one on Holyrood too.
Westminsters branch office out of Scotland. Sounds good to me. Scotland would move direct to independence & we can have our own.
We can have as many referendums as we like. On every subject. Imagine that. Direct democracy. Sounds bliss.
Hilarious stuff. I have to wonder what sort of jobs these people are going to find outside of politics. It isn’t a good time to be entering the job market with zero skills.
In other news, I have heard a few people saying Biden is expected to throw in the towel on Monday, to be replaced by Kamala… lol
There’s a lot going on right now.
@ Robert Hughes 11.25pm “Imagine getting gubbed by pronouns” LMFAO you’re on fire lately bud
Puir wee Alison she’ll need to go and get a joab noo , she could maybe get wan wae the cooncil clearing out SEWAGE as she’s used tae workin wae shite
Thowless Thewliss right enough. What a balloon!
In view of the photographic content of this excellent article, I feel a warning might have been given.
After all, it’ll soon be breakfast time.
That level of voting would increase their chances of even more list seats at Holyrood.
Orange walk coming up guys. Have your tin flutes at the ready.
Remember the Campbell’s took King Billy’s shilling to massacre the Macdonalds. (Sorry Stu, I know it wasn’t you)
Me? I could murder a Burgerking
As we know they are incapable of change roll on 2026 and remember to get yer bets on folks.
“The Union was kept in place with 55% of the population.”
It wasn’t it was 55.3% NO of 84.59% turnout (if you believe the official results, I don’t due to several hundred thousand dodgy postal votes).
So officially that is 46.7% of the electorate.
So NO did not even get an absolute majority (even with all the cheating).
Had that been YES on those numbers we would have been told over and over again that YES therefore did not have a legitimate mandate as it was not an absolute majority. You know it…
That cuts both ways of course.
Thewliss was Chair of the MPs ‘All Party Parliamentary Group on Infant Feeding & Inequalities’ Committee. For supposedly standing up for wee babies, as Chair, Thewliss received circa £25K on top of her £91K basic salary plus all her expenses.
This Committee’s raison d’etre is to promote the benefits of breast milk. It contains antibodies which protect babies and doing so also reduces mothers’ risks of breast & ovarian cancers.
When I raised the issue of wee babies being forced to drink untested, bile-like leakages from male bodies, bodies which had been injected with untested drugs, alien to those male bodies, she blocked me on twitter.
I don’t know how Alison Thewliss sleeps at night.
Scottish women are resilient, enduring and, on occasion, forgiving. But threaten our babies, and our children? Then seal your own fate.
They don’t like it up ’em, Especially from behind.
If Karma didn’t exist you’d need to invent it, just for this occasion.
If you want to maintain this level of comedy, and provide our host with endless an endless supply of material, a small donation to the Greens clearly goes a very, very long way.
The next two years are going to be bland and less confrontational with the nuSNP licking their wounds after such a monumental electoral defeat.
For these next two years, Labour will be playing nice with Holyrood in order to present the image that it is a break from the past stormy relationships with Holyrood that previous Tory governments followed.
Labour will also do this to try to prove to the Scottish people it can be trusted to have the Scottish peoples interests at heart in order to gain control of Holyrood.
In these two years, nuSNP will not rock the boat, at least not on constitutional issues. They will go into the 2026 election with the narrative that with a Labour government in Westminster that a Labour Holyrood administration can’t be trusted to put Scotland’s interests before party and the nuSNP are the best party to lead Holyrood to get the best deal for Scotland.
There won’t be any any lessons learned for the nuSNP unless they experience a similar defeat in 2026.
If these SNP MP’s knocked on a handful of doors surely they would would have known they were going to be defeated.
I can picture them at a door where the female resident tore into them above removing women’s rights and they run away up the path with their fingers in their ears shouting Transphob, Transphob, Ahhhhhh.
Get me out of here I’m a nonentity!
link to m.youtube.com
An indicator of things to come.
link to archive.ph
Islamization, a new breed of sectarianism.
Slightly off topic, but related
Keir Starmer flew up to Scotland pre election day to canvass,
Keir Starmer after elections were over, flew back up to Scotland to meet on friendly open arm welcome with John Swinny,
To hell with Climate change,
But here we have very similar arrangement meetings that Nicola Sturgon’s meetings with Boris Johnstone, Teresa May and The Queen,
The ties of Westminster’s rule over their rolled down legislated government sent in Scotland for management and who controls it is obvious, and I have no doubt that the English law of the Hate crime Bill was no accident along with the encouragement of gender issues that could later be discribed as incompetence of a Scottish governance that Westminster Has the ability under its control over laws made in Scotland,
It was a lesson to Scots to recognised that Englands parliament can write or dismiss laws made under very questionable Scots Law, Westminster can intercept them which implies they are not laws of “Scots laws”.
But were and are laws of Westminster under their legislation and statues,
It is also very easy under those back door circumstances to deduce who really controls The Scottish devolved parliament to make Charges through civil servants to Alex Salmond leadership, and its is also extremely easy to control whom sits or gets to remain in the devolved parliament from afar with a quick visit from the leaders of Westminster parliament,
Every leader or MP that displays early promise towards Scottish Independence is soon enough fit in law suits and threatened physically in someway,
The mechanisms for controlling Scottish independence or anyone that sticks their head above the parapit for Scottish independence and controlling the Scots, for imposing two tier laws on Scots wether the Hate Crime bill, the Rape clauses or the gender issues in Scotland derives from one Source, The rolled down devolved governance sent to Scotland,
If any of these were genuine “Scots Laws” passed by a genuine Scottish parliament, Westminster could not alter, change or challenge them, So herein lies food for thought.
Everything about that Holyrood parliament that is Stymieing Scottish independence and removing able or legal leaders while becoming the most inept governance of Scotland, costing the people in Scotland their ringed supposedly fenced money or Scottish taxpers money by the millions on projects that don’t work.
Is there for one reason, and that is something that the people of Scotland do not need,
And it breaches the treaty of union articles on there being only “One parliament of Great- Britain”
SNP carrot patch destroy by aphids.
According to ‘The Fragrant Pharmacy’ all it takes to get rid of green fly is a few drops of essential oil of lavender.
Humza tried that trick but it was too late. The carrot patch was already rotting.
Greenfly are not always green. With a number of different species, they can appear green, brown or pink.
Rose gardens often become victims to an invasion of green aphids, more commonly known as greenfly.
Starmer should perhaps take action now to prevent his ‘Rose Garden’ being destroys by the pink aphids.
So sad too bad! I suppose it could have been worse it could have been ‘Spanish Fly’
As for a new treaty being signed up between Scotland and England,
That would be impossible due to the devolved government in Scotland being under Westminster legislation and Statues legally being a second (parliament) that breaches the treaty of union,
Either it is a Scottish parliament in its own right separate from Westminster altogether that could legally make a treaty of union or it is the parliament of Englands Westminster,
If it is a genuine legal Scottish parliament then Scotland is already independent,
If it is a Westminster parliament of the UK , then Westminster parliament cannot create a treaty with itself “Westminster parliament of UK ” to hold Scotland, because Scotland is not in a treaty of union with the United kingdom Westminster parliament,
It was in a political treaty of union with the parliament of England.
Well done greens you got rid of 5 MPs who didn’t have the slightest interest in Indyref2.
Cuilean
Excellent question to her.
See, that’s what rips my knitting. That’s exactly why no one from Scotland should take their seat at Westminster. Grifters getting paid extra money to divert & distract them from what they were actually elected for.
They weren’t elected to chair pishy causes that’s completely irrelevant & time wasting. The benefits of Mother’s milk has been around since the dawn of time & for expectant mother’s a bit dim, they’re given health care professionals & midwives that give that advice out 24/7. I’m sure there’s even a free baby box now too with that advice.
Had that waster actually tried fulfilling the role she was elected to do for Scots she may have still been in a job.
Greedy knt.
I remember she got pelters on X as she complained bitterly her summer recess was being ruined by having to work extra & late. She was given short shift & rightly so. Well now she’s on a permanent recess. Suck it up, buttercup LOL
I wonder if “Decapitate TERFS” also played a role in her demise.
Who the f@ck votes for these misogynistic science denying grifters,
also, WhoTF votes for the Scottish Green Party.
Who is to blame for the fall of the SNP definitely not Alex Salmond. 🙂
“I’m one of the few people in Scotland who can say ‘I voted for a successful SNP candidate!'”
Alba leader Alex Salmond tells @matthew_wright
that the fall of the nationalist parties in Scotland can’t be on his shoulders, having voted for his former party on Thursday.
link to x.com
A lot of the MSM are going with the headline Alex Salmond voted SNP without giving full details.
This is one of the better headlines.
link to tinyurl.com
Alba leader Alex Salmond admits he voted SNP to stop Douglas Ross winning seat for Tories
Manna from heaven. Well hoisted.
In this case, thank God for the Greens.
But it doesn’t bode well for Holyrood.
Someone posted recently that Glasgow has 185,000 students!!
I’m assuming that’s where most of this Green nonsense comes from
I’d like to thank them for the 200 quid I made betting that the SNP would get fewer than 10 seats. Thanks, Greens – couldn’t have done it without you!
Certainly an interesting political gun for Alba and others to hold at the head of any unrepentant SNP drones for constituency votes at Holyrood 2026.
Worth ensuring that Alba and the ISP get this organised in the run up to the elections, particularly as it’s likely that lots of the dross that just got booted out last week will be busting a gut to feed their gravy habit at Holyrood rather than Westminster.
Don’t be so dismissive Hatuey @ 2.09 about our now unemployed joining the job market with zero skills.
That’s not quite accurate. Alyn Smith by way of example will be well skilled in the art of being a Rent Boy. Ideal in fact. A political prostitute is a political prostitute.
But yes, some of them will struggle. And not long really to wait until the next clear out come the Hollyrood elections in 2026 when another load of dross will be dumped by the electorate.
We are going to secure independence without them.
link to tinyurl.com
Another SNP obituary.
JIM SILLARS: A damning verdict on my party’s record of failure and incompetence
Jim reckons The guilt lies squarely on the shoulders of John Swinney
I never thought I’d be saying this but, the Scottish Greens did something good for once, in helping to flush the lavvy of colonial administrator, child-corrupting SNP keech.
Alex Salmond is boasting that he voted SNP.
Alex Thorburn on Yours For Scotland points out:
“The Alba Party was created, and for a short while did provide a little of that hope, but as we know, adherence to Westminster Parliamentary Sovereignty is what the Leader of that party has sworn to “assist and defend” through his status as one of the King’s Privy Councillors.”
Or as I put it, Alex Salmond is another sworn servant of “English Crown in Westminster” sovereignty just like Nicola Sturgeon.
Alex Salmond put Alex Salmond’s status as part of the British Establishment before Scottish sovereignty just like Sturgeon.
It’s there on photo and video: Alex Salmond at the proclamation of fealty to King Charles III pledging all faithful obedience to the English Crown.
You have been warned.
The elections in Scotland is a farce, it is a nonsical pretence at democracy for Weeks ahead of anyone voting in Scotland they had a Labour governance by a majority,
The gender issue is a labour policy as much as the labour Snps policies as tha parallel each other and keir Starmer does not recognise what a women is any more than the Labour Snp,
One wonders who they are married too, but then the gender woo woo laws might not apply to the elites in the same way climate change travel does not,
The woes of Scotland and its people come down to to whom is controlling the puppets in Holyrood.
We in Scotland could have a fully effective independence referendum in Scotland tomorrow if only someone here was prepared to pay for it. I reckon crowdfunding at £20 a head would cover it.
But as long as the received wisdom is that the UK parliament has to pay for a referendum, we shall never have a referendum, because the will of the UK parliament is against holding a referendum, and will remain so, until a convincing pro-independence referendum result has already been obtained.
Can anyone see the way out of this insolubly dark labyrinth, or are we all destined to starve to death in the cold and dark damp fog?
A free postal vote to every Scottish household could do it.
“Well-behaved women rarely make history.”
That quote has been attributed to Marilyn Monroe, Eleanor Roosevelt, and even Anne Boleyn.
However, the credit should have gone to Laurel Ulrich, a student destined to become a Harvard professor.
So girls (how patronising – but I’m a man and as such the patronising of women is my birthright), if you want to make history you won’t…if you ain’t misbehavin’.
Is it possible there are a few women on here who agree with Laurel Ulrich? I think it might be.
And this Wildean antithesis:
“Wicked women bother one. Good women bore one.”
I imagine it’s a terrible disappointment for a man if his wicked woman turns good.
And I suppose it’s equally disappointing for those men who prefer good women when their good woman turns wicked.
Scotland has been a good girl for 300 years and done what she’s been told, but it’s time for her to embrace her wicked side and start misbehaving.
It’s time for her to give her treacherous ‘partner’ a swift kick or two tae its wee shrivelled-up imperial baws.
Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, nor hell a fury like a woman
scornedbetrayed.It’s time for betrayed Scotland to stop being a bore and start being a bother.
James Che
The TRA agenda is a direct instruction. That’s why it’s exploded into every single parliament in the West.
This is confirmed by the Eastern countries who are flat out rejecting it as it goes against the very fabric of their beliefs & values & have confirmed it’s an instruction. We always suspected that cause no way was this shite spawned from grass roots. It was instant.
Sir Kid Starver will go full throttle now. He was told to STFU about lady penises until AFTER the election. Now it will be back front & centre. They didn’t donate to his campaign for nothing.
As for the SNP, they thought they’d have 40yrs plus like Labour did. No wonder they’re greeting. It’s a huge pay drop as they gravy train stopped at destination fcked. Enjoy yer stay lol…
Are we all assuming the SNP government will last until 2026?
SLAB will want to have an election as soon as possible and can now offer more to the Greens than the SNP can. There’s bad blood between the Greens and the SNP now too.
Sarwar’s intellect might be hard to detect but his ambition isn’t.
Jim Sillars on Alba and Alex Salmond: Is there an alternative to the SNP? ALBA? Afraid not. The derisory votes it received is an inescapable message of its irrelevance. “Alex Salmond is one of Scotland’s tragedies, a politician of the first order, found not guilty of the criminal charges against him, but scarred beyond repair by what was revealed at his trial.
The asset he brought with himself to ALBA is out weighted by the liability. I don’t say that with any satisfaction. It is simply the reality.”
Alex Salmond is boasting that he voted SNP.
No he’s not.
Only clowns without a sense of humour/irony would think that.
link to spice-spotlight.scot
“The budget document shows that Scottish income tax policy is estimated to generate £12,365 million in 2020-21. This is only £46 million more than will be deducted through the block grant adjustment. So, rather than generating an additional £600 million or more for the Scottish budget, the different income tax policy is only just managing to offset the block grant adjustment.
In budgetary terms, we are effectively running to stand still. This is largely because of differences in earnings growth and the composition of taxpayers in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK. Because of these differences between the two economies, the Scottish Government is having to set higher taxes in order to generate enough revenue to offset the block grant adjustment.”
Should someone tell Alison Thewliss that Spock didn’t really die in the Wrath of Khan and that is was just a film? Or that no matter how hard she tries, getting beamed up doesn’t work for the same reason. What next? She finds out that Santa isn’t a real person? Clearly a person with a low IQ and even lower EQ.
Holyrood Alert
Don’t expect the SNP to see sense and agree to a “Scotland United” approach in 2026. It may seem to even a child that this would be the most sensible approach after their drubbing last Thursday, but it won’t happen. No chance.
The most disgusting sight yet to see pre-2026 will be those ex-WM troughers, the desperados (the usual suspects) battling it out to try for a comfy Holyrood (list) seat to replace the comfy WM seat they lost in 2024. Talk about cats in a bag lol. You ain’t seen nothing yet, folks. They will be too scared to go for a constituency so it will be list seats all round. Brave hearts in short supply. So, sad to say, it’s going to be another ridiculous “vote SNP 1 and 2”, this time on stilts. Prepare yersels. 🙂
Alba leader Alex Salmond admits he voted SNP to stop Douglas Ross winning seat for Tories
Hmmm.
It was Reform that did for DRoss. Their 5,500 votes dwarves the difference between the SNP and Tory tallies.
@Hatuey says:8 July, 2024 at 10:58 am
Sarwar’s intellect might be hard to detect but his ambition isn’t
True, plus HR has reverted once again to white, white white.
And Swinney’s big baldie white heid just makes the look worse.
Time for a change.
link to youtube.com
I’ve just been listening to this
Jordan Petersen talks to Farage.
Farage wants to build a movement of common sense.
That sounds fair enough.
He wants to concentrate on family, community & country.
Which also sounds fair enough except for the part about country.
He and Jordan Peterson are both thinking that country is England.
Farage wants to replace all rainbow flags in schools with Union flags & lots of Englishness.
There was no mention of Scotland. I suppose it would be difficult to continue to argue for sovereignty & taking back control if Scotland were to be brought into the discussion.
Reform sounds fine for England if that is what they want although the community issue could be a problem because there are so many different communities in England.
Many different cultures, many different religions, many different languages.
On top of all that there are many different genders.
I don’t think the Farage plan will work it’s too late.
You’d need a heart of stone not to laugh.
Very good article today.
snp org started updating Mps list on Sat and had 10 but numbers 5 to 8 (2nd line) showed defeated ones like our areas Monaghan – bye bye !
MSPs has not still been updated.
Uzeless is still Leader and 1st Minister. (So is Swiney)
Hapless Robison is still his Deputy
Forbes isn’t Deputy FM (yet on it)
It’s all very amateurish – like them !
“A free postal vote to every Scottish household could do it”
Sure it could, Geri.
This has made me think…
The Scotland Act is the principal tool used by the British state to keep Holyrood on a straight jacket. It stipulates that Holyrood cannot debate/bring forward matters reserved to Westminster.
Westminster itself, without ever having bothered to consult the Scottish people at all – who, incidentally and under the doctrine of popular sovereignty are the real owners of all Scotland’s powers – has decided on its own accord that anything to do with the union or independence, and that includes a referendum, is a reserved matter.
The Scotland Act installed two gatekeepers against Scotland’s independence. The first one, is that unelected crown representative sitting in the middle of the cabinet of our executive as “lord advocate”.
This figure, which shows one of the ways in which the crown exercises absolute rule over Scotland, controls the legislative power by vetoing any legislation related to independence to ever enter the chamber to be debated. This is exactly what we saw that undemocratic embarrassment to her profession Bain doing not that long ago.
This crown representative is a crown safeguard against a pro-indy majority in the chamber which would pass any independence legislation in a heartbeat.
The clause in the Scotland act which declares that the matter of the union is a reserved matter is the gatekeeper at the other side: if a law regarding independence “accidentally” happens to be passed, then that legislation is contested in the courts and royal consent is immediately denied under the excuse that it is “beyond” the powers of HOlyrood.
We know this is ultravires. If sovereignty in Scotland lies with the people, a bunch of self-serving MPs down in London, the imperial viceroy sitting at Scotland’s office or the crown apparatchiks have no right to decide what matters related to Scotland are reserved or deny intervention from the people of Scotland on those matters. This is an intrinsic violation of the Claim of Right, and yet, this is precisely what they are doing.
Holyrood could immediately become Scotland’s parliament if the supine amoebas sitting in it were ever to find the backbone to ditch the Scotland Act and eject that unelected crown representative, which is usurping from the people of Scotland the control over executive and legislative powers, from the middle of the government cabinet.
They could go the extra mile and remove the fangs of that other gatekeeper of the crown, “the crown office”, from the jugular of our prosecution service.
But this is wishful thinking, isn’t it? It will never happen. Our MSPs and MPs simply do not have either the balls or the commitment to ever do so.
So we will have to do it ourselves.
Here is a thought. It is only Holyrood that is bound by that con which is the Scotland Act. We are not. And neither will be any convention of the states or similar structure reconvened by public initiative.
We do not have to invite into such convention any gatekeeper figure, like the lord advocate, representing the crown’s interests. In fact, the attempt to impose on the convention such figure should be resisted.
If we do not have a gatekeeper vetoing the entry into the convention of independence/union matters to be debated in it, and that convention is not blindfolded and with the hands tied at the back with the Scotland Act, and if the convention does not give a shit about receiving “royal assent” or not because it considers it is the people of Scotland the real sovereign, what exactly would be stopping such a convention to call an independence referendum?
Such a convention could of course select its own franchise. For instance, what could stop those organising it from looking at the registry and establish who wasa living in Scotland for at least the last 5 or 10 years?
It would be rather tedious and time consuming, but not an impossible task.
We should not keep hitting our head against the same reinforced concrete wall expecting that one day it will crumble. It is more likely than not that we will end up breaking up our skulls first.
What we have to do is to find ways of jumping over the wall or simply walking around it.
Nothing is insurmountable if we find the will to do it.
Very annoying thicko!
Norse Warrior? More like Norse Pine. As thick as two short planks of Nordic Pine.
Oh dear, haha that made me smile.
Salmond’s never giving up on the SNP. Why’s he voted for those charlatans, thieves and crooks? Has he got Stockholm syndrome of something?
What’s he got a Highland Bond Syndrome?
Is he suffering from the Edinburgh Effect?
Or the Aberdeen Affinity?
Salmond. Don’t vote for those fucking crooks. Look what they’ve done to you!
Listen to what Jim Sillars says and take Sturgeon the Judas to the cleaners.
She’s still sitting there all high and mighty with her pursed lips. Face like thunder. More lacer on her hair than planet of the apes. She’s got her hench woman and piece of human filth – LIZZARD lloyd doing TV interviews.
Send these bitches to jail Big Eck. Fuck them.
Sturgeon and Liz Lloyd are shape shifters.
They are not from this world.
Salmond. You know what to do.
Salmond needs to do what Farage did. And go for the SNP jugular.
Take no prisoners! No prisoners!
David Hannah
Ignored says:
8 July, 2024 at 12:24 pm
Salmond’s never giving up on the SNP. Why’s he voted for those charlatans, thieves and crooks?
“Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.”(Sun Tzu).
Don’t take everything at face value. There are political wheels turning and moves currently being played that we do not know about. Salmond is by no means perfect (and he has made mistakes). However, he is like a chess grandmaster compared to his current enemies (most of whom would struggle to understand tiddlywinks). Let’s wait and see how things unfold. Popcorn ready.
That shot of Hunter looks like Eddie Izzard after a rough night
I see that the Moonhowlers at Yours for Stupidity have given up on Alba (just as they’ve given up on the SNP) and are now promoting the ISP as their vehicle for Indy.
The ISP got a whole 678 votes in the recent election.
By way of perspective, the Monster Raving Loony Party got 5,814 votes. Eight times as many as ISP.
And this despite the fact that one of the co-leaders of the Monster Raving Loony Party died. Co-Leader “Howling Laud Hope” carried on despite the death of his co-leader, his pet cat, Catmondo.
Mia: “So we will have to do it ourselves.”
All of your plans have the same solution. And you get to say prophetic and profound things like “Nothing is insurmountable if we find the will to do it….”
Whoever said the devil had the best tunes was wrong.
How do I order tickets for the crackpot disco?
When does Salmond’s case against the Scottish government come to court
“The ISP got a whole 678 votes in the recent election”
So what?
ISP is the only political party in Scotland currently standing on an abstentionist manifesto. In other words, it is the only political party that, as today, acknowledges Scotland’s popular sovereignty. All the rest could not run fast enough to swear allegiance to a foreign crown and surrender the interests of the constituencies and country they are meant to represent to the interests of that crown – in exchange, of course, for a pat in the back, a big salary, a generous pension, connections and access to subsidised bars.
Do not forget that over 500,000 Scottish voters could not stomach even approaching the polling places on the last election. Why? because they either were sick of being taken for fools by the current political elite or the parties standing had nothing of value to offer for them.
ISP stood only in a couple of constituencies. ISP is not a product of the establishment like Reform is, and therefore cannot immediately pull out of the hat and out of thin air sufficient candidates and funding to stand in all constituencies, nor it can command access to every propaganda mouthpiece the establishment has control over.
Come back and laugh again when they stand in all constituencies and when the people of Scotland realise that, for once, there is a political party that is not accepting the bribe of the subsidised bars, high salaries and nice pensions, and is therefore willing to put the interests of Scotland first.
“Salmond needs to do what Farage did. And go for the SNP jugular”
In my opinion, his party would go further if they fully embraced popular sovereignty and an abstentionist mandate.
For as long as our political parties to embrace the Scotland Act, Holyrood will remain as Westminster’s talking shop in Scotland and will never become Scotland’s parliament.
In all honesty, I cannot understand how any political party which seeks to restore Scotland’s statehood can continue to abide by the abusive Scotland Act and allowing it to continue stealing from the people of Scotland the control over Scotland’s own legislative, executive and judicial powers.
Either you are a pro-independence party and ditch the Scotland Act, or you are not.
Luigi says:
“Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.”(Sun Tzu).
———————–
Wasn’t it (from memory):
“Keep your enemies close but keep your friends even closer”
Otherwise, I agree with your take of AS.
Mia
Ignored says:
8 July, 2024 at 1:13 pm
“The ISP got a whole 678 votes in the recent election”
So what?
“So what” sums up one reason why the Indy movement has stalled.
By way of context, the “Portsmouth Party” got 733 votes, “Confelicity” 750, “Propel” 1,041, the “Animal Welfare Party” 1,486, and the “North East Party” 1,581. While the ISP lost to these parties, and got smashed by the Monster Raving Loonys, the ISP did, however, edge out (barely) the “Putting Crewe First” Party.
BTW Alba’s derisory 11,784 votes was dwarfed by the 17,227 votes of the “Yorkshire Party.” It appears Yorkshire regionalism is more popular than Alba-style Indy. And more popular than Alba and ISP combined.
“All of your plans have the same solution”
All my suggestions have the same outcome:
Transferring back control over Scotland’s powers from the crown to the people of Scotland.
What is the outcome of yours and where are they? Excuse my shortsightedness, but I don’t see how campaigning for GZ is going to bring Scotland’s powers back to the people of Scotland.
Swinney it was who “negotiated” the outcome of The Vow. He and the SNP are partly responsible for the present fiasco regarding the raising of tax. Of course, they (SNP and their civil servants) were taken for mugs by the UK gov.
It matters if the country wants to be redistributive. We are bound now into a low tax system.
“BTW Alba’s derisory 11,784 votes was dwarfed by the 17,227 votes of the “Yorkshire Party.”
And?
Why should a Scottish nationalist give a toss about how many votes in England and England party gets?
Besides, considering the population of England is over 10 times that of Scotland, it does look like, in proportion, that English party you mention did far worse than Alba.
There is a need for supporters of independence and particularly their political leaders to develop and show a vision of what an independent Scotland would look like. And it will not be like 2014.
Some research on what the punters think.
“Thus, among Scottish sovereigntists:
As many as 54% accept sharing a currency with the remaining UK (rUK) after independence (46% want a Scottish currency);
41% accept sharing armed forces with rUK (58% want Scotland to have its own armed forces);
43% accept UK spending in Scotland in areas usually decided by Scottish Government (such as schools, roads and hospitals).
On immigration, 31% (almost a third) think the rules should be same in Scotland as rUK in context of independence.
Among British unionists, we also find unexpected crossovers:
On taxes, only 36% think the UK should decide all taxes; on welfare benefits, only 30% of unionists think that all benefits should be decided by UK government.
On who should have right to decide on a second Independence referendum, only a bare majority (54%) by the UK parliament alone.
On the UK parliament making laws for Scotland, one-third of unionists think it should not – ostensibly a sovereigntist position.
What we take from these findings is that even among Scottish sovereigntists and British unionists, the two polar positions on the subject of self-determination, there is considerable nuance and complexity about the object, such that the sovereigntists are willing to accept sharing with the UK, even post-independence, while unionists accede that many decisions should be the responsibility of Scottish Government. There is still a large measure of support for options that ‘mix and match’ elements of Scottish sovereignty and British union in different ways.
link to rse.org.uk
Facts for numbers-challenged Mia:
I compared the Yorkshire Party to Alba/ISP in part because Yorkshire HAS THE SAME NUMBER of PEOPLE as Scotland. And the Yorkshire Party got a lot more votes than Alba/ISP combined.
But don’t worry–we can all feel confident that sometime in the distant future, ISP will start outpolling the Monster Raving Loony Party. Especially since the pet cats who lead the MRLP keep on dying. The leadership of “Catmondo” can’t be easily replaced!
Here’s a crazy idea – start governing well.
You know, actually listening to the voters concerns.
Show that you can govern competently and you will win independence in the court of public opinion.
It will also win over NO voters – you know, the ones needed to make the country independent.
I am constantly amazed at how this rather obvious thing is overlooked by clueless politicians.
Looking at the story is it me or is it real that LGBT alphabet folk seem to be more than statistically represented in and around mp’s
As far as the crossdressers are concerned I am surprised any party would put up these candidates, never mind folk voting for them.
296–the number of votes Independence for Scotland Party leader Collette Walker got in the 2024 election (E. Renfrewshire).
Versus
340–the number of votes Monster Raving Loony Party leader “Howling Laud Hope” got in N. Hampshire.
And “Howling Laud Hope” outpolled Walker despite the death of his Party’s co-leader, his pet cat “Catmando.”
Perhaps the ISP should choose a pet cat as their party’s co-leader.
Ooh, karma. It’s a beautiful thing. Thank you, Rev. Fair made me laugh. All those ‘bonnie’ chaps in frocks. You’d never be able to tell, would you? Our young have screwed themselves. No, don’t laugh. They have. No young generation before has been quite so devoid of sense on such a large scale, but their even younger brothers and sisters deplore this ordure. Independence just got a shot in the arm and the Unionists haven’t a scoobie.
I came close to vomiting into my coffee cup over the picture of “Iris” Duane. But this is the reality of contemporary Scottish politics. You must keep doing us a service by rubbing our faces in it Rev Campbell.
Fir holyrood it has to be snp 1 alba or isp 2
No duplication sit down and agree it.
The Scottish green movement is toxic dump it.
Salmond gets to name the folk to be thrown under the bus
Nicola, humza robertson and co and swinney to be summarily dismissed
““So what” sums up one reason why the Indy movement has stalled”
Has it stalled? I do not think it has. Figures may have not increased but there is work going on in the background that denotes progress forward.
You also need to look at it from the opposite angle: despite having control over and access to everything, despite having hijacked and destroyed the main political vehicle for independence, despite having succeeded in tarnishing the reputation of the individual most capable to take us to independence, despite throwing everything at it and more, the British state has been incapable to increase support for the union in Scotland. Actually, they have not been even able to contain support at the 55% they claim there was in Scotland in 2014. Support for independence around 50% has now become the norm, not the outlier.
Over 500,000 people chose to stay at home and could not bring themselves to cast a vote for a unionist party. What does that tell you? To me, it says that it is not the pro-independence movement what has stalled. The one that has stalled, and is actually regressing, is the pro-union movement.
I appreciate that Wikipedia may not be the most reliable source, but I could not find the figures anywhere else yet. It seems the BBC was very keen to report on the number of seats and percentage of the vote but not so keen in reporting the actual figures for either the votes, turnout and the electorate figure.I am not sure who they think they are fooling.
According to Wikipedia, in 2024, the three main unionist parties (labour, liberal democrats and conservatives) pulled together in Scotland 1,393,469 votes.
That is a decrease from what they achieved in 2019. In 2019, they pulled 1,468,194. And that is after 5 disastrous SNP years where the SNP have done everything they could possibly do wrong. It does not look like the “pro-union” movement is moving forward at all, does it?
If you look a little bit more in detail at the figures, you can see that the increase in the labour vote is mainly coming from the conservative vote.
In Scotland, the conservative vote collapsed from 692,939 in 2019 to 307,344 in 2024. That is a fall of more than half. Yet you do not hear much about it in the propaganda mouthpieces, do you?
The decrease in the conservative vote was of 385,595 votes.
Liberal democrats lost 29,189 votes compared to 2019. If you add them both:
385,595 + 29,189 = 414,784
The SNP lost 517,622 votes compared to the election in 2019.
517,622 + 414,784 = 932,406
If labour had the mother of all landslides that the establishment mouthpieces, including Curtice, expect us to believe it had, they you would expect labour to hoover up around 900,000 votes.
However, the increase in the labour vote in Scotland from 2019 is a meagre 340,059. That is almost a third of the available extra vote.
When you look at the figures, it stands to the obvious that what has really happened is a strategic transfer of the unionist vote from tories and libdem voters to labour to fabricate, aided by Reform which shrank the conservative vote even further, a labour “landslide”. This is exactly what we saw in Ms Ferrier constituency. But the reality is that the landslide in unionist seats sits on an overall unionist vote that is even lower than what it was in 2019.
This smacks at the establishment desperately rearranging the deckchairs in the Titanic. The unionist vote moving from one party to another to create the illusion of change. I wonder how long it is going to take for the establishment to drop the farce and pull the three parties into one, which is what they have been behaving as since 2014.
When you add the vote of the three unionist parties, it looks like the unionist vote not only has not increased, in fact, it might have shrunk by almost 70,000 votes.
In light of this, I would advise you that instead of boasting about the misperception that the pro-independence movement is becoming irrelevant, you actually look in detail at the figures which are clearly suggesting that it is the pro-union support in Scotland what is disappearing and fast.
Iris Duane is a feminist activist fighting to be one of Glasgow first Green MPs.
Are ye, aye?
She is seeking to become the first trans woman of colour elected to Westminster.
Why would Scottish people want that?
Facts, logic, and statistics rarely persuade humans. Emotion is humanity’s guiding light.
An independent Scotland could become the most destitute of nations, highly unlikely considering her abundance of rich natural resources, and still her people, moved by an emotive argument, would embrace her liberty and by extension their own.
Just as we see in individuals, emotion is the key to moving a people to take action, not the dry and brittle counting of numbers or the hard truths of logic.
Folk will expend the least effort and spend as little as possible to get what they need – but will go to any lengths and spend any amount to attain what they desire.
Mundane politicians stutter in clumsy incoherence of economies and percentages and rules and regulations – great leaders speak eloquently of dreams and hopes and destinies.
They speak of heroic pasts and glittering diamond futures.
They can break hearts or bring forth tears of joy.
They can lift spirits high and move entire peoples to follow them no matter what obstacles they might face.
But we live in the age of mediocre man, and it seems there are no great leaders to be found anymore.
The old ones, the best of whom were never more than competent and who never quite reached the peaks of greatness despite their gift for the gab, must be put out to pasture. They tried and they failed. They failed spectacularly – all of them.
They were given many chances, but their mediocrity, and for some their corruption and with it their inevitable fall from grace, ruined them all.
And now they spend their days wallowing in recriminations; blaming everyone and anyone, even those Scots who raised them up, but themselves for their failure to liberate a nation from its oppression.
They are a spent force who were given a magnificent opportunity by their people. An opportunity squandered in bitter childish argument. A golden goose plucked and gutted and offered on a platter as a gift. A gift contemptuously tossed aside by their beloved master.
The Scots put their faith in a handful of self-absorbed self-serving infants. A third rate troupe of vainglorious costumed actors caked in stage make-up and vying with each other for their master’s applause.
There isn’t one of them of any use to the Scots. Not one of them.
Let us hope that a real leader is preparing in the shadows awaiting their moment. A ‘freedom fighter’ – a genuine great leader, and not some false idol or some perversion of a clown cavorting about in pantomime.
Perhaps the ISP is the golden egg that will hatch such a leader, one who will lead the Scots to liberation. Or perhaps Scotland’s greatest leader waits patiently within the ranks of Salvo for their time to come – we shall see.
Scottish politics lolz,what a clownshow. So glad my granny’s not alive to see how it
Red @ 16.01.
“Why would Scottish people want that ?”.
Hopefully, they’d be spending a lot more time out of Scotland, which would suit me just fine, Red.
Red says on 8 July 2024 at 4:01 pm:
“Iris Duane is a feminist activist fighting to be one of Glasgow first Green MPs. She is seeking to become the first trans woman of colour elected to Westminster. Why would Scottish people want that?”
“Scottish people”? I’d be willing to wager most of his support comes from Glasgow’s considerable student population.
Self appointed John Swinney became leader of the SNP and once again has shown he’s no leader whats so ever.
But what do I know John says he the best man for the Job and takes all the blame for something that Sturgeon did. He says he’s prepared to listen the only trouble is John no one is listen to you and don’t care what you have to say because its not you who’s in control its Nicola Sturgeon who controlling you.
“The Yorkshire Party got a lot more votes than Alba/ISP combined”
1. The Yorkshire party was established in 2014, that is 10 years ago. Alba and ISP are far more recent. This is the first time Alba and ISP stood candidates on a UK general election, while it is not the first run of the Yorkshire party in a general election.
2. The Yorkshire party stood candidates in 27 constituencies. The Alba party stood candidates only in 19 constituencies. ISP just in two.
3. Despite being around for 10 years, in the constituency of Richmond & Northallerton, for example, which is where the Yorkshire party got the lower percentage of the vote, it achieved just 132 votes. The constituency for which ISP achieved the lowest percentage of the vote was Renfrewshire East, where ISP got 296 votes. The constituency for which Alba got the lower percentage of the vote was Dunbartonshire Mid, where the Alba candidate got 449 votes.
4. The Yorkshire party campaigns for the status quo but with a devolved Yorkshire parliament. It does not campaign for Yorkshire’s independence or to break the UK union, like Alba and ISP campaign for.
5. As far as I can work out, although I might be mistaken, the Yorkshire party is a niche and does not have any real competition. Alba and ISP are competing with the SNP for the pro-independence vote. To see the real success of the Yorkshire party, considering that what it pursues makes it unique in Yorkshire (it is the political vehicle for Yorkshire’s pro-devolution vote), you need to compare it with all the pro-independence vote in Scotland – that would mean including Alba + ISP + SNP. When you look at it from that perspective, the Yorkshire party, despite having a well defined and unique brand and campaigning for something very fair, is not very successful.
Numbers-challenged Mia post another laughable comment.
Using HER OWN categories, the election results show the 3 main pro-Union parties (Labour, Conservative, LibDem) with 1,393,469 votes.
The 3 Indy Parties (SNP, Alba, ISP) got 737,150 votes.
In short, by HER OWN figures, the pro-Indy parties got only 34% of the vote compared to the pro-union parties. This also represents a DECLINE in the percentage of pro-Indy party votes from 2019.
She nonetheless claims this as a victory for the Indy movement!
At this point, one must wonder whether “Mia” is paid to embarrass the ISP and the pro-Indy cause.
Stoker, it’s very generous of the Scottish people to let the universities turn Glasgow into a doss house for ugly foreign oddballs.
Sven, there’s a lot of people who just need chased.
Mia @ 3:35 pm
““So what” sums up one reason why the Indy movement has stalled”
Yes, nationalist politicians (and most of the people it must be said) remain ignorant that the goal of self-determination is decolonization; this is what the UN Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples provides the legal basis of.
As for ‘the reason’: well, successive elected nationalist majorities of MPs and MSPs have refused to progress self-determination and decolonization, they have instead opted to protect colonialism (hence they have been ‘co-opted’ in postcolonial theory). It is this deceit that has ‘sickened the people’ and ‘ruptured the movement’, causing the people to refuse to back the dominant party to the hilt any more.
Quite obviously now the SNP elite have been and still are working against the self-determination (i.e. decolonization) of the Scottish people. They have become willing puppets of the colonial power and hence represent a blockage to progress, preventing liberation of the people.
A better understanding of colonial society is at least some progress, and this also allows us to see where we are in the decolonization process:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Ruled by pantomime dames – whoopee!
Red, that gave me a chuckle. 😉
Lets now watch the SNP react in completely the wrong way by attacking WOS, Alba, and stay-at-home indy supporters. Swinney is not the right man. If they do not elect a fully fledged independence person they are dust in 26.
How dare we pull them away from the WM Gravy Train.
I found your website a few months ago thanks to an online newspaper reader comment. Very grateful. This article also is very insightful. The Grren fallout has damaged the SNP more than I realised, as it is clear from this article the Greens most likely cost the SNP a number of key seats. The question is, what do they (the SNP) do now ? Repair the bonds before 2026 ? Denigrate them as a wasted vote (hard to do in a PR election). Interesting times for the SNP !
Dorothy
“Ruled by pantomime dames – whoopee!”
Oh no we aren’t. Oh yes we are. 🙂
@Boyce Franks
“If they do not elect a fully fledged independence person they are dust in 26.”
Dust is their destiny. They can’t turn round a loss of trust in competence in 2 Years.
June 7th on X.The full line up for Perth and Kinross-shire. Really grateful to the Greens for not standing again. Reform are and are certain to take a couple of thousand votes of the Tories. No Alba either. Thought they’d be queuing up to take on old ‘comfy slippers’…. He’s no daft but how or why does it happen?
Yawn.
Northcode: “emotion is the key to moving a people to take action, not the dry and brittle counting of numbers or the hard truths of logic…”
95% of the people who say stuff like that are crap with numbers.
@Campbell Clansman
“in short, by her own figures, the pro-indy parties got only 34% of the vote compared to the pro-union parties. This also represents a DECLINE in the percentage of pro-indy parties votes from 2019”.
Goodness, do you set yourself to deliberately miss the point or are you trying to deflect?
Have you not been reading this blog for months?
1. The SNP lost over 500,000 votes. That is an undeniable fact. Looking at the vote figures, as many as 500,000 voters chose to remain at home rather than casting their vote at this election. That is another undeniable fact.
It has been established for months in this thread and several others besides social media that a very large number of pro-independence supporters no longer see the SNP as a pro-independence party (me included).
They see it as a devolutionist party at best, and at worse, as a labour shell that has been deliberately self-immolating to help the establishment fabricate that faux labour “landslide”.
With regards to Alba and ISP, they did not stood candidates in all constituencies, therefore they cannot be comparable to any of the three unionist parties. Having said that, yes, you are right, they got much less vote than it was expected considering that the SNP had made themselves unelectable.
It is very true that both Alba and ISP need to reflect as to why those 500,000 pro-independent voters chose stay at home and not cast a vote for them instead, as they were presented as the pro-independence alternatives. But if what has been written here is an indication of what has happened, many pro-indy voters were not given the option to vote for those parties in their constituencies. Others did not trust them as real pro-independence parties either. Others might have not been aware of them. Others refused to cast a vote for Westminster because they do not want Scotland MPs sitting there any longer. Others might have been sickened by politics altogether.
But whatever reason, the reality is that 500,000 voters disgusted by the SNP and ripe to be hoovered up by the labour party chose to stay at home rather than casting a vote for labour or any unionist party for that matter.
I am not going to let you deflect from this, sorry. The labour “landslide” we are being sold by the establishment is a pup. Yes, they got a hell of a lot of more seats than they did in 2019, but there has not been any meaningful transfer of pro-independence vote from the SNP to labour. The transfer appears to have been from the conservatives and libdems to labour. This represents a rearrangement of the unionist vote, not a gain.
Why is this an indication that the pro-union vote is tanking?
Because the SNP could not have been a worse party of government and a worse leader for independence that they have been. As I said in my previous comment to you, EVERYTHING they could possibly do wrong, they did wrong and more. They made themselves unelectable. They made themselves look incompetent. They made themselves look dishonest and unethical. They made themselves look undemocratic. They let many mandates expire without even making an effort to use them. They offered NOTHING to pro-independence supporters other than carrots. They cosied up to labour and even attempted to present labour as a reasonable party to vote for by joining on the charade of “no tories in Scotland”.
Yet, despite sickening their core support to their back teeth, the establishment still could not manage to transfer that vote into unionist parties.
Goodness, just look back at what STurgeon has been presiding on. We had the gender crap nonsense with a direct threat to women and children. We had the Hate bill which represents an assault on freedom of speech. We had failure after failure of government. We had her insidious vindictiveness against gender critical women and pro-independence supporters. We had her destruction of the democratic structures of the party. We had the fabricated criminal case against Mr Salmond, the imprisonment of Mr Murray and the threat of the removal of juries. We had £600,000 of donations for a referendum “woven” through the accounts. We had the forensic tent in her garden plus police cars escorting her and her husband for questioning. We had an expensive campervan first parked at the mother in law’s house and then towed away by the police. We had a bogus leadership election for Humza and then a coronation for Swinney. You name it. We had it all. Anything bad that could possibly have happen, she made it happen. And yet, the establishment was incapable to transfer any of that vote to labour.
Say what you want and throw the toys out of the pram as much as you like. But the labour “landslide” is sitting on borrowed tory vote, and the unionist seats landslide is sitting in less unionist vote than the vote they got in 2019.
Starmer’s “mandate” over Scotland is sitting on foundations made of sand.
Just heard Guilianie on the radio saying talk of indy lost the election.
Talk about not reading the room
Interesting Swinney has thrown out the St. Andrews flags.
A sad day for scotland.
“Just heard Guilianie on the radio saying talk of indy lost the election”
Let them say whatever nonsense they want and let them pretend as much as they like. The labour “landslide” in Scotland is sitting on foundations of sand.
As soon as you look at the figures in context, you realise it is unionism what has lost the election. In my opinion, this was their last hurrah
For years, they have been making the SNP look completely incompetent, unelectable, undemocratic and dictatorial, dangerous and dishonest. To top it up, they irreversibly damaged the brand by transforming the party into a devolutionist one.
In such circumstances, the expectation would be for the SNP vote to transfer in masse to labour at least as a form of punishment. Well, they failed on that mission and they failed spectacularly. Only the conservative vote transferred in meaningful numbers.
If even in such ridiculously favourable circumstances they could not manage to transfer the vote, the only logical conclusion anybody can make out of this is that unionism has lost the democratic battle in Scotland. FPTP is simply the tool they are hiding the real figures with.
I would suspect that if Starmer comes in too strong in his “muscular unionism” he may soon realise that the foundations of sand his “landslide” is currently sitting on will collapse very quickly. So lets see him try.
Mia
Ignored says:
8 July, 2024 at 5:33 pm
@Campbell Clansman
Have you not been reading this blog for months?
Yes, I have, as you well know. Mostly to chuckle at laughable moonhowling commenters like yourself.
I’ve already laid out most of the election facts. Here’s some more, with specific references to the last UK election (2019):
In 2019 the (nominally) Pro-Indy party (SNP) got 45% of the total Scottish vote.
In 2024, down to 30%. Add ISP and Alba to that and it still doesn’t add up to 32%.
45% to 32%. Even halfway intelligent people should acknowledge this big decline.
How can a guy in a dress represent the feminist movement?
I find it amusing listening to the latest round of troughers from Scotland going down to the foreign parliament in England. In that they say we’re going to change this and that, I don’t know if its naivety or outright lying on their part but we ALL know that Scottish MPs CANNOT change anything in the alien parliament in the foreign country of England.
Also I would say that the removal of the SNP’s MP troughers was more a protest vote, that a jump to BLIS as a whole.
End the ILLEGAL union now.
Rob @ 18.10.
You’re being just a wee bit too sensible now, Rob.
“Chicks with dicks” would seem to be the new political class.
“45% to 32%. Even halfway intelligent people should acknowledge this big decline”
And who isn’t?
Even a child would acknowledge after being told three times that over 500,000 ex-SNP voters chose to rather stay at home than casting a vote for ANY unionist party.
Considering that this general election was a situation where, by accident or by design, absolutely everything was going on labour’s favour, the fact that they still did not manage to attract that ex-SNP vote, indicates that unionism has lost the democratic battle in Scotland.
Campbell Clansman.
I think Mia has explained things to you in very realistic terms. And you know she’s right.
Independence won’t be won on votes or English propaganda.
If you just try and wipe the scales from your eyes, you might just see it.
I won’t hold my breath.
Hatuey
Ignored
says:
8 July, 2024 at 5:30 pm
Northcode: “emotion is the key to moving a people to take action, not the dry and brittle counting of numbers or the hard truths of logic…”
95% of the people who say stuff like that are crap with numbers.
That’s quite a weird reply Hatuey. Are you saying it isn’t emotion that drives people to take action?
Where did you get the info that people who make that claim are crap with numbers.
Are people who are good with numbers emotionless?
I wonder if ‘Better Together’ concentrated so much on ‘show us the money’ because they knew if it was down to only emotion independence would have won. The 30% hardcore BritNat vote was an emotional vote. Likewise the English is Scotland.
Farage is appealing to peoples emotions.
Family, community & country.
It was emotion that drove people to vote for Farage.
Farage of course is a conman and conmen are very good at manipulating your emotions.
I’m building up an argument that everything is driven by human emotion even if you are good at numbers.
Greed is also an emotion so those who voted NO because they believed what ‘Project Fear’ told them vis a vis Scotland being a basket case were also driven by greed.
One big reason for SNP decline.
link to forwomen.scot
“What is taught?
89% of secondary schools are teaching that people have a gender identity that may be different from their sex.
7% are teaching that some people or children may be born in the wrong body.
37% are teaching pupils that a person who self identifies as a man or a woman should be treated as such in all circumstances, even if this does not match their biological sex.
75% of schools use external providers for resources on gender identity. Most frequently cited are RSHP.scot, LGBT Youth Scotland and Time for Inclusive Education.
There is a misconception that the occasional headlines in the press about children socially transitioned without parents knowledge or boys causing upset by using the girls’ toilets represent isolated incidents, and that such practices are only happening in a small number of schools. This report conclusively disproves that theory.
The transgender guidance provided by the Scottish Government clearly has a significant influence on decisions made by schools which, by and large, unquestioningly follow its advice, even when it is out of date, unlawful and supports an unscientific contested belief system that has more in common with religious studies than it does with biology lessons. “
Starmer has problems with gender identity that are unlikely to be resolved.
He intends to make it easier to claim a gender identity while respecting women’s rights. This won’t and can’t work.
Ruby (among many) has the answer.
And Sarwar and cronies voted for this crap.
This guy Duane is just absolutely taking the piss.
Do the crime but you won’t do the time if the SNP government gets its way.
“SNP ministers have been slammed after it was announced long-term prisoners in Scotland could be released after serving just two-thirds of their sentence under controversial plans.
The Scottish Government has been forced to consider early release due to chronic overcrowding in the country’s crumbling jail system.
Scotland locks-up more people per head of population than almost every other country in Europe despite repeated pledges to reduce the prison population.
Around 500 prisoners on short-term sentences are already in line for early release to free-up capacity.”
The Teflon Don Swinney and Sturgeon the Judas can do a helluva lot more damage to Scotland between now and the 2026 elections.
I’m a bit jealous of the ‘Campbell’s Soup Man’ he seems to get a lot of attention.
What are people trying to do turn him into a YES voter.
The guy is here like Duane with the man boobs to take the piss.
He intends to make it easier to claim a gender identity while respecting women’s rights.
The con here is that he is not referring to biological women.
Transwomen are women. Women rights are trans rights!
This black bloke called Duane showing us his moobs in the above photo is a woman.
He thinks he’s proving it by showing us his moobs.
They are all taking the piss either that or they are mental.
Thewliss’s dress looks very green, don’t you think?
Ruby: “I’m building up an argument that everything is driven by human emotion even if you are good at numbers.”
If I was to ask you what 2 + 2 equalled, would your answer be emotional?
@ Mia at 5.33pm: Excellent analysis indeed. I agree with every word of your comment.
@Campbell Clansman 6:07pm
An unfortunate fact. The Independence polling has not changed. 47 to 48% in favour of Independence. A fact that the new Prime Minister is totally aware of. I accept the lack of probity and competence of the SNP Government has checked the momentum of the Scottish Independence movement. But the SNP are on the way out. A cult loses it’s influence. Jim whathisname of Guyana as an example. The worry for you is just as the Independence movement has not made the case for the status of Independence. Neither has the Unionist case been proved. I am willing to give the Labour Government a chance to change my views . And the GB Energy location doesn’t go to Aberdeen as a start.
@Northcode 4:13
Never forget where you are – Wings BTL.
To a solid cadre of the regulars, a freedom fighter is a despicable N@zi.
The trouble with that kind of twisted perversity is that people notice. Undecided Scots recoil in disgust from a movement that attracts that kind of following.
Just as there is no more than a token acceptance by the professional SNP politicos that they must take responsibility for the denouement, so you won’t find any of the regular hoonmowlers considering for even one second that they bear some responsibility too.
Not even a week yet, but already the doubling down on the lunacy is well under way.
Mia: The decline in Indy vote from 45% to 32% “indicates that unionism has lost the democratic battle in Scotland.”
What next, Mia and all? Are you going to tell us that Scotland WON that football match with Germany?
@Hatuey 8:02
My money’s on very emotional indeed.
Any reconstructed Nationalist party must engage with the real young, not the weirdo «young» troubled by sexual dysphoria on tiktok.
France could have a PM who is 28, that’s young even to me, who has rallied his age group to engage in politics. Compare that to the embittered, old leftist antisemite also on the list of possibles and you get the message.
Whether it pleases or not Le Pen has scored a superstrike with a constituency that deserves to be heard.
Salmond is a political titan. His stewardship as First Minister delivered real government within what is a devolved parliament with subsidiary powers.
Salmond also took on the Westminster establishment, secured a referendum and in doing so galvanised a Yes movement and a nation to all but deliver independence.
His standing down and handing over to the odious shape shifter Sturgeon and her clique was a mistake. Sturgeon and her clique of control have destroyed the SNP. Her clique, with th r help of the establishment, police and procurstor fiscal tried to destroy Mr Salmond. But the charges were rejected. That truth of the Sturgeon lying and conniving is still to come out.
Salmond is maybe quiet just now but he is a tactician and strategies and he has not gone away. But the SNP has as it crawls to its death.
Against this background I would suspect things could be quite interesting in the not too distant future when a new SNP emerges to replace the corpse created by Sturgeon.
Peter Oborne exposing the lies of Sir Kid Starver
link to x.com
In this article the Rev has correctly asserted that a number of nuSNP’s MP’s lost their seats because votes that would have went to them went to the Green who had fielded more candidates in this elections.
A number of BTL posters have asserted that this has happened in constituencies with large number of academic students who are more likely than other demographics to vote Green due to their policies, the most prominent one that of Trans.
If the assertion linking student population in a constituency to the size of Green votes is correct, it is real life example of how certain demographics can affect the outcome of elections, even though they are small compared to the overall population.
It can also be used in the ongoing argument on here about who should vote in a future independence referendum.
Of course this argument academic until there is conclusive proof but it does show as an example of how demographics could affect elections.
Of course my answer would be emotional.
ie Fuck off who do you think you are asking me such an idiotic question.
Alternatively I could give a very happy answer or even sing the answer as they do when announcing the winning numbers in the Spanish lottery. It would all depend on emotions. 🙂
The original premise was “emotion is the key to moving a people to take action’
The action here is you asking me a question which is driven by emotion likewise my answer. The fact that 2 + 2 = 4 isn’t an action it’s a fact.
Your turn Hatuey!
Betty Boop
says:
8 July, 2024 at 7:56 pm
Thewliss’s dress looks very green, don’t you think
I think sharny haha!
So good to see your post Betty, hope all is very well with you and the family – I miss fun Wings days.
Hillhead is the most green constituency in Scotland..hence Iris!
Betty Boop
Ignored
says:
8 July, 2024 at 7:56 pm
Thewliss’s dress looks very green, don’t you think?
Somewhat sharny I thought haha!
So good to see your post Betty, hope all is very well with you and the family – I miss Wings days ?
@Campbell Clansman
“Mia: The decline in Indy vote from 45% to 32% “indicates that unionism has lost the democratic battle in Scotland.”
Didn’t take you long to go for the classic bottom of the barrel gaslighting, did it?
How pathetic of you. I didn’t expect you would throw the towel this quickly, to be honest. What a disappointment. There really is nothing behind unionism other than a strategy based on abuse, disinformation, distortion, manipulation, deflection and scaremongering, is there?
How does it feel having to descend to the bottom of the sewer to defend what you know cannot be defended?
Doesn’t it make you feel worthless?
*According to Google:
“Gaslighting is a form of abuse, in which one person tries to control the other by causing them to doubt and question themselves”
“Examples of gaslighting behaviors are denying something the other person knows is true, spreading rumors about them, and blaming the victim”
You are gaslighting. I know that you are gaslighting because you are twisting what I wrote presenting it as if it was meant to have a completely different meaning to the way I wrote it.
I know you are gaslighting because you are seeking to cause doubt on the veracity of what I wrote.
I know you are gaslighting because you are purporting to blame me for your pretend lack of understanding of the facts.
I think what is really happening is that you cannot face accepting the facts being widely known so you are trying to hide them with your unsuccessful gaslighting. However the only thing you are really achieving is drawing even more attention to them Indirectly, you are acknowledging that you are incapable to counteract my argument with a reasonable argument of your own, so, like a coward, you are resource to gaslighting to hide it.
Well I am not going to let you hide it, so here it is again:
Starmer’s “landslide” in Scotland is resting on a foundations made of borrowed tory vote. The “landslide” of unionist seats in Westminster is resting on a foundation of less votes than the unionist vote achieved in 2019. Despite the unmitigated disaster that the SNP has been and despite having politically self-immolated itself for years to make themselves unelectable, resulted in over 500,000 disenfranchised SNP voters, Starmer’s labour has been incapable to attract that vote. Therefore the conclusion from this is that Starmer’s “mandate” over Scotland is sitting on foundations weaker than sand.
So as you know, I will continue to repeat it every time you attempt to gaslight me again. To avoid repetition, I would strongly recommend you to stop digging now.
Colin Alexander
8 July, 2024 at 10:14 am
“Alex Salmond put Alex Salmond’s status as part of the British Establishment before Scottish sovereignty just like Sturgeon.”
You can keep on attacking Salmond at every opportunity.
More grateful independence supporters will remember him as the only Scot in 300 years to give the people of Scotland a genuine opportunity to decide on independence.
When comparing Salmond with Sturgeon, you should keep in mind that Salmond remains 100% in favour of independence whereas Sturgeon has been 0% in favour of independence, at least since becoming SNP leader, if not always.
Salmond almost ended up in jail for trying to bring back independence as the number one priority for the SNP.
Who do you think is currently the best person to lead the fight for independence?
The sum of the numbers representing each of the alphabetical positions of the individual letters that make the word ’emotional’ equals 104.
Remove 1 from 104 and we’re left with 04 which can be simplified as 4.
Therefore the sum of 2 + 2 = emotional
It would appear that Ruby is correct and that emotion is the underlying foundation of all possible number system – and probably the entire field of theoretical mathematics, too.
And perhaps even astronomy – I know I used to get quite emotional when courting my sweetheart, the lovely Mae Calhoun, on a moonlit evening under the stars.
Lies, damned lies etc….
Polls show a steady 47% of the electorate favour Indy.
Roughly the same oppose and the remainder are undecided.
Turnout last week was 60% of the electorate and of that turnout only 30% voted SNP.
Therefore 18% of the total electorate made a conscious effort to vote SNP last week, while polls suggest a much larger figure of 47% of the electorate actually support Indy.
Taking Indy supporters as a whole, that means only 38% of them made a conscious effort to vote SNP. Nearly 2/3, or 62% to be precise, of Indy supporters for whatever reason chose not to vote SNP.
If we are ever to achieve Indy we must acknowledge and accept that it WILL NOT HAPPEN if we place all the eggs into a basket belonging to a so called party of Independence, which can only attract 38% of those who support Indy to vote for them.
There must be another way forward.
Mia 11.54am
Agree.
This also chimes with what Christine Graham said in Holyrood during 2014 in Holyrood.
If Scots want independence they can have it even if Holyrood didn’t exist.
Holyrood may be Westminsters baby but its not ours. They have no jurisdiction over what happens OUTSIDE of Holyrood.
I also think Scotland should have a referendum on the monarchy too. We’ve never even been asked if we agree to him being here or not. “Supposedly” he is here by consent. Well whose consent? Certainly not Joe publics. That’s a kinda important thing to have, Scots consent, wouldn’t you say? Meddling in Holyrood & giving shit his royal ascent when he’s never even asked any of us first if he has our approval to even still be here.
I think that’d be another angle. Stop giving that foreigner our consent. Remove the English monarch & the whole house falls. It’s also test the theory they’re here by our consent or if that’s yer more made up rubbish.
There was some talk back when Ruth Davidson was moved from Glasgow to Edinburgh Central that it was due to the Green vote that the SNP lost and Davidson won.
If I remember correctly it was Alison Johnson who stood for the Greens in Edinburgh Central.
Edinburgh Central is full of students.
For the benefit of those unsophisticated minds whose ability for abstract thought and whose understanding of metaphor might yet be rudimentary, and whose reading comprehension might barely match their, as yet, immature mental age, I offer this clarification.
I detest violence of any kind – even the use of vicious words; such is my sensitive nature. Although I do consider ‘fighting’ metaphors as acceptable rhetorical devices to describe intellectual ‘battles’ .
If the Scots cannot secure their liberation using democratic political or constitutional mechanisms then there is no other means available to them beyond peaceful protest.
I hope I have made my position clear on the unacceptable use of force to solve disputes.
Ruby
Just in case my ‘equation’ comment comes across as a dig at you, Ruby (I worry about such things). It isn’t. I offer it in support.
Hautey
A number 2 + a number 2 = a very big shit.
🙂
Liz
Ignored
says:
8 July, 2024 at 9:44 am
In this case, thank God for the Greens.
I think they might have picked 21k votes Glasgow.
Mia 3:35
Excellent breakdown.
It would appear that Ruby is correct and that emotion is the underlying foundation of all possible number system – and probably the entire field of theoretical mathematics, too.
Did I actually say that?
Well I’m saying it now.
The entire number system came about because of an emotional action.
The emotion of curiosity.
Without that emotion nobody would be asking what’s 2 + 2.
Northcode Boo!
I think you are scared of me!
“Did I actually say that?”
No, I inferred it and generously attributed it to you. You’re welcome.
I haven’t considered the possibility that I might be scared of you. But now that you mention it…
Robertknight, there’s good evidence to suggest that turnout for independence supporters was lower than the 60% national average, which would mean the situation is worse than you are suggesting. Fair point though.
I know plenty of independence supporters that voted for unionist parties as a way of registering their dissatisfaction with the SNP. I’m not sure if that might be explained as an emotional response or a calculated one based on a basic understanding of mathematics. Probably a bit of both.
Interestingly, the idea that human behaviour is governed and explained by emotion or passion is a view that’s more typically found on the right in history, social sciences, politics, philosophy, economics, etc. In the arts it’s associated with romanticism… Zzzzzzzz.
It’s all a bit simplistic for me but it’s noteworthy that Marx was determined to ground his analysis and theories in science and was keen to avoid claims that he was making any sort of emotional or moral argument.
Other alternative explanations are available.
A digital conundrum for you. How do you stop Alba taking money from you. How do you relinquish your membership status. I have spent the last hour trying to do that. They don’t make it easy. I bought a walking talking dollie for my 4 year old granddaughter that cost more that the funds available to local Alba branch. I will try again tomorrow.
TURABDIN says:
8 July, 2024 at 8:36 am
An indicator of things to come.
link to archive.ph
Islamization, a new breed of sectarianism.
Thanks for that link to the telegraph Turabdin I have never seen any other newspaper EXPOSE this THREAT, I posted comments, highlighting this situation over the past few months and on different blogs
The first time I heard about TMV was in comments from Yvonne Ridley who is a Muslim convert, on Barrheadboys blog, she was saying that The Muslim Vote were consolidating and organising themselves to ensure Muslim issues were at the forefront of politicians actions
I commented on the blog that I thought this issue created a very dangerous situation for politics and non Muslims, Roddy responded that this was nothing new and these actions had been utilised by unionists and others to encourage voters of certain religions to vote for their brand of sectarianism
TBQH I find this action to be extremely threatening and dangerous but as usual if you say anything critical about it you are branded as racist,sectarian,Islamaphobic to silence you
The IRONY is that Bliar and the liebour party were the beneficiaries of the untrammeled immigration and open door policies, and now they are losing votes and seats because of their failure to oppose the Palestinian situation
Seriously Twathater?
This is you just noticing?
What other facts have passed you by? For example, have you clocked that the sun rises in the east?
I’m getting tired of looking at Thewliss’ discomfiture. Schadenfreude isn’t my thing.
Other opinions are available.
George Ferguson
You cancel the payment via your bank.
Oneliner @ 06.33.
I was considering making it my screensaver.
George Ferguson@ 1.15am
When you find out, will you explain it on here please..
The SNP have become a literal freak show.
Some of them are having a real hard time taking this in (currently in denial)… still talking about calling de facto referendums… lol, it is crazy.
They are not in a position to do anything at Holyrood now. They are all dead-transpeople-walking in the eyes of the electorate. Dead ducks or transpigeons take your crazy bonkers pick….
And they removed everyone capable of saving them. Ha ha. That is karma in action right there.
They are absolutely not going to be able to turn this around. Unless outside events intervene somehow to save them…Starmer is exceptionally horrific between now and then for example. It is possible.
They are truly horrendous, I can barely look at these people anymore (especially that fist picture), never mind listen to them or vote for them, fuck no. So sick of them…
If Sturgeon gets the expected PS/COPFS whitewash she will be back as FM faster than Swinney can throw himself under a big yellow bus.
It is really cult like… it is not just an insult, there is truth to it. I think it is why they selected this particular demographic of ‘people’. Susceptible to cults due their inherent stupidity.
BLiS mouthpiece Jackie Baillie thinks Wes Streeting plan of further privatisation for the NHS in England should also happen in Scotland.
“Pushed on the issue, it was highlighted to Baillie that Alan Milburn – who was health secretary under Blair and regarded as one of the architects for more private involvement – was returning to advise Streeting in Cabinet role.
She said: “Alan Milburn was a great health secretary in his time”
link to archive.is
Is there a breakdown of the votes in Scotland , giving percentage turnout , spoilt ballot papers etc?
Northcode , I’m behind you! ( obviously very far behind you!)
The next hope for a rise in independence will be when London Labour screws up and needs more money from Scotland to help pacify the English voters.
The Scottish seats are totally insignificant to ruling over Westminster.
If every single Scottish vote was conservative last week we still get Labour and vice versa on the previous election.
Yes we do get more per person than in England but then they cover up that is still only a fraction of what we send South for England to spend.
Starmer can take £500 from each of us and give it names like equality, levelling up, we are all in it together to give what we can, etc
If he is going to renegotiate with the EU will he fight for Scotland to have equal rights with N. Ireland. After all no country gave a higher proportion of Remain voters.
We are in red Tory territory now and Scotland will be kicked and gagged in its franchise wee box.
@Alf Baird –
Thanks for responding to our piece and apologies for not acknowledging before now.
😉
Alf Baird
Ignored says:
6 July, 2024 at 12:15 pm
Rab Clark @ 10:21 am
‘Just a few remarks:
Anderson rightly accepts that nations are a cultural creation, which is the same for postcolonial theorists. Language forms a key part of culture and has a decisive role. Revolutions and decolonizations are defined in national terms and peoples in self-determination conflict are generally linguistically and culturally divided.
Indigenous languages and national cultures evolve naturally; imperial entities do not. Empires are artificially created through force and imposition of colonial procedures. This includes cultural imperialism and language subordination (native language literature and history is not taught/distorted) of the oppressed groups.
Nations are ’emotional and spiritual’. Colonised nations suffer from cultural assimilation and here the people become ‘dislocated’ from their culture, their culture is ‘obliterated’ and they and their culture are in the process of perishing so long as colonialism continues.
The aim of colonialism via cultural imperialism methods is to replace a peoples national identity with something else; to make Estonians feel Russian, or Catalans Spanish, or Scots as Brits. Here the colonized ends up ‘mimicking’ the colonizer’s language (because only his language opens the doors of opportunity) and discards their own ‘inferior’ native mother tongue (i.e. cultural assimilation), casting aside and denigrating his ain culture. However the imperial nation ‘identity’ remains a ‘cultural illusion’, given the oppressed native ‘a false persona’.
As Fanon noted, the desire for independence of a colonized people is dependent on their ‘national consciousness’, but this is not nationalism.’
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
“I have never seen any other newspaper EXPOSE this THREAT”
Because it isn’t a “threat”, it’s democracy.
Inshallah.
Mac @ 8:53 am
“The SNP have become a literal freak show.”
For sure what we see with the SNP behaviour and laws ‘mystifies the people’, yet this is all part of the well-trod decolonization template; here we should consider the dominant ‘co-opted’ national party elite are not yet finished in their efforts to destroy the independence movement and in their main task, which is to keep the colonial racket going.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Starmer taking Swinney ‘under his wing’ continues the theme, with more mystifying policies soon to follow, such as the UK or devolved gov issuing visas for more people from other countries to be brought in to Scotland, all part of a faux national party policy.
Mac: “They are absolutely not going to be able to turn this around. Unless outside events intervene somehow to save them…Starmer is exceptionally horrific between now and then for example. It is possible.”
It’s impossible for the SNP.
You know, two or three years ago we speculated that when the truth came out about the Salmond thing it would sink them. Then we moved on to the finances and said the same about that.
They’re on the slide with support dropping like a stone, totally discredited, fighting like rats in a sack, and the terrible truth of those things has still to come.
On top of all that, they must be totally broke. I forget what percentage of their income MPs gave to the party but with only 9 left standing, they must be in a truly dire financial situation.
Scottish Labour will be out to strike while the iron is hot and push for Scottish elections as soon as possible. In terms of ‘motions of confidence’ and voting in Holyrood, I doubt if the aggrieved Greens are going to worry about upsetting anyone in the SNP after what’s happened recently.
Sturgeon saw all this coming and couldn’t get out of dodge fast enough. Now she’s sitting on the sidelines constantly trying to figure out how an innocent Nicola would act under the circumstances that she herself brought about.
For anybody who needs a bit of angry, sleazy energy for the existential Scottish fight ahead.
link to whorattledyourcage.blogspot.com
Any news about Branchform?
It’s all kicking off on Twitter about ‘Tilly the destroyer of books’ getting her jotters from Waterstones.
Then there’s this
link to tinyurl.com
Some of this is just pure poetry.
They put the woman who wrecked the SNP on telly and trained a camera on her all night as one SNP MP after another lost their seat — and they didn’t even think to make it pay per view.
This is going on my ‘Goodbye SNP’ playlist.
The camera cut to Sturgeon, who by this point looked like Rosa Klebb biting down on a cyanide pill.
“Sturgeon … sitting on the sidelines constantly trying to figure out how an innocent Nicola would act under the circumstances that she herself brought about”
Honest question:
In your own opinion, why do you think the establishment might be rehabilitating Sturgeon and teflon woman Lloyd through the main TV broadcasters?
And why was Sturgeon never evicted from the party after all the mess she orchestrated?
Do you think there is any chance we should be bracing ourselves for “Terminator – phase II” aka her return as the (fake) “saviour” of the party to mimic Mr Salmond’s return after Swinney almost completely destroyed it?
I have been wondering for a while now if the British establishment might have her in stand by as their go to “damage limitation tool” should they do not manage to muster (rig?) a unionist majority in 2026.
We already know that the 2-faced wee shite will never cooperate to form a pro-indy supermajority, don’t we?
In the end, the SNP limped home with just nine MPs. At least they can all fit in a camper van now.
So colonial adminis("Tractor" - Ed) Bawface Baillie is in the media today going on aboot how privatising the NHS is a Very Good Thing, and Reeves is in the media today going on aboot how draining the last of Scotland’s oil and gas revenues is a Very Good Thing. Labour are not wasting any time at all punishing Scotland for voting them out for years for the SNP, are they?
England wants to just finish the Scotland-murdering parasitic job now, let’s face it, deliver the coup de grace after their coup d’etat. Every fucking halfwit who voted no at the indyref gave them carte blanche for this evil idiocy, as did the modern SNP for the last ten years, and anybody who just voted Labour. Fuck it.
Cherry showed not a speck of warmth towards Sturgeon, who repaid her with a stare so icy that it probably set global warming back a decade.
There they sat, the three wise monkeys: Ed Balls, George Osborne and Nicola Sturgeon. See no evil, hear no evil, deleted all evil in line with Scottish Government policy.
Hatuey @ 1:08 am
“the idea that human behaviour is governed and explained by emotion”
In the context of independence it is much more than merely an ‘idea’; Postcolonial theory describes independence as primarily “a cultural emotion”, and the struggle for independence as “a fight for a national culture” (Fanon).
Which further explains why the only theoretical framework explaining the phenomenon of Scottish independence (see the book ‘Doun-Hauden’) has ‘Culture’ as determinant number 1:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Reflecting the strategic national importance of culture, there is a Scottish Cabinet Secr responsible for ‘Scottish Culture’, but he seems as clueless aboot the importance o oor Scottis culture as he is on the matter of independence.
link to gov.scot
And, just to illustrate colonial divide and rule theory in practice, there is a Cabinet Secretary responsible for Gaelic, but naebody at aw responsible for protecting and promoting the Scots Language; i.e. the langage whit gies maist o us Scots oor culture an oor identity, an oor naitional consciousness – withoot whit thar wadna be ony independence muivement.
narcissist thinks : it can’t be ME, (obviously) … so it must be YOU – so what do you have to say for yourselves??
The SNP will tell us what happened to them, but never why.
a great piece of advice for the liar is : don’t tell lies about things to people who were there at the time
but then there is that joke about the guy caught in bed with another woman, red-handed by his wife … and he gets out of bed, denies the adultery, and says to her
– who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes ?
so – “we were all there” and yet, immediately, the SNP cultists and woke-leftists are out and about talking about “lying eyes” – it is quite breathtaking; the SNP lost because it “sold out its principles to the right” and that to win next time, all we need to do, is do even more of the SHITE people hated …
another movie quote : “never get high on your own supply”
NB whenever you see the word “radical” in these circles, replace it with : “really stupid fucking shit”
they will all press on with their delusions until 2026, and while a comeuppance is in play, alas the dhondt system will come to their rescue – losses on the constituencies will be compensated by more seats on the list. But the vicious musical chairs of all this will be fun.
also : and this is a real laugh – “abstentionism” a la Sinn Fein, is now back on the cards … which might have had some impact if done holding 56 MPs, but looks just a little bit SHIT when you only have 9
and some twitchers are getting all upset about france and the far right, but more and more people are realising “words don’t mean what they used to mean”
link to nakedcapitalism.com
– especially “left” and “right”; left-right was always a model, one which made some sense up to around 1990, but it doesn’t anymore, and in any case the map is not the territory and never was
To be honest, I felt a pang of pathos as a grim-faced Swinney attempted to spin his party’s catastrophic results while counting centre staff folded up tables and put chairs away behind him. Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first send metaphors.
From behind a curled lip, she made things personal: ‘I’ve got a feeling he’s had that pent up in him for some time.’
I think they have and now they’re letting rip.
Strip away the selfie-taking, the novel recommendations and the Loose Women bonhomie and she’s just a nasty piece of work.
Ruby Thursday: Jesus Christ woman, this is not your personal toilet wall to scrawl on, stop spamming the place with shite.
Thanks for the link, Ruby Tuesday. An entertaining read.
Of Sturgeon Daisley says:
“Strip away the selfie-taking, the novel recommendations and the Loose Women bonhomie and she’s just a nasty piece of work.”
Wee Nicola? Surely not!
I’m amazed she managed to hide her true nature for so long, especially from those who worked closely with her.
She had me fooled for a wee while tae.
Is it upsetting you?
It’s Tuesday pal! Stay alert.
And, just to illustrate colonial divide and rule theory in practice, there is a Cabinet Secretary responsible for Gaelic, but naebody at aw responsible for protecting and promoting the Scots Language
I’ll get back to Alf trying to ‘divide & rule’ Gaelic speakers from Scots speakers later.
Nobody is having fits because someone speaks Scots not the same story for Gaelic.
I always have a problem with Alf claiming Scots is oor mithers tongue.
My mithers tongue was Gaelic.
Otherwise Alf is OK.
Oh, and Ruby Tuesday – you don’t scare me.
It’s that Ruby Monday that terrifies me.
I’m amazed she managed to hide her true nature for so long, especially from those who worked closely with her. Northcode
Maybe it just wasn’t reported. She seemed to have had some hold over the MSM for all these years but that appears to have gone now.
It must be time for Branchform to conclude their enquiries.
Here’s Comedy Club Tommy’ take on things
link to tinyurl.com
Former SNP MP says Operation Branchform was ‘the elephant in the room’
I haven’t read it yet. Gotta go.
Maybe ‘Onlooker’ could read it and tell us what he thinks.
Is Comedy Club Tommy saying anything of interest?
Ruby,
More number 2 por favor? It’s mardi.
Onlooker – try to live up to yer moniker
There was a more important election last week and the quality of the candidates was excellent. On top of that they are not only experienced in the real world of work but they are intelligent, principled and honest!!!
Liberation.scot’s committee members can be seen in their videos on Iain Lawson’s blog YOURS FOR SCOTLAND and in writing on the liberation.scot site under the Voting button. Cheer yourselves up by having a look.
Ruby Tuesday
“Is Comedy Club Tommy saying anything of interest?”
Not much beyond it wisnae his fault. There’s this:
“…he dismissed the Scottish Government as essentially a provincial administration in a small part of the UK.”
And…
“Then there were those who feel that everything is sh*t and they blame us for it.”
No sh*t, Sheppard.
I see on “Yours for Stupidity” that Alf Baird, a regular commenter here, has been “elected” to the “Liberation Scotland” steering committee.
I’m curious about how many people actually “voted” in this “online election”–or more precisely, how many voting members does LS have. YfS doesn’t say. The fact that there were two “dead heats” suggests–not many. But unlike many commenters here, I’m trying to determine the objective facts before making a judgment.
So Alf, in the interests of truth, how about telling the world how many people voted?
I forgot to say that the Liberation Movement’s committee are working for free!!!
Dorothy
“Northcode , I’m behind you! ”
Thanks, Dorothy – it’s good to know you have my back. 🙂
Did you know that it was a guy called Joseph Grimaldi who set the standard for the pantomime clown back in 1800; back when I was just a boy?
It was he who first developed the tradition of men dressing as women in pantomime.
With regard to Alison Thewliss, she is a member of the John Smith Institute which is funded by what appears to be the banking community to place black and brown people into key positions in Scottish infrastructure.
With regard to Nicola Sturgeon and her rehabilitation, in what was her constituency, Govanhill, her surgeries were held in the mosque at the corner of Butterbiggens Road and Langside Road.
With regard to smearing people as racists, AS and xenophobes to marginalise them and scare off other people from voicing their concerns, this is a tactic also used by TRA’s.
With regard to civil nationalism, one of the fathers of this was Hans Kohn who believed that ethnic Nationalism was very bad if adopted by white people but was a Zynst who was an ethnic Nationalist when it came to his own people.
I am currently reading a book about the psychological effects of warfare on both combatants and civilians. For civilians one of the most damaging aspects is the loss of the emotional safety net of community. In Western nations we are seeing the undeserving poor, the white, working class, losing those communities to the deserving poor, the non white working class.
“Yours for Stupidity” ‘
Is your carefully studied substitution of the name of our country SCOTLAND for the derogatory term stupidity another example of abuse as part of your ongoing gaslighting campaign, or is it simply a display of racism against the Scottish people?
The correct name of the website is YOURS FOR SCOTLAND. Just in case your ability to read is challenged. The only stupidity there (and here) is your own.
Regarding the number of votes that Mr Baird had, what is it to you? Are you a member of the Liberation of Scotland movement? If you are a member, then it will not be difficult at all to find out. If you are not a member, what business of yours is to stick your gaslighting nose in it?
What is it? your handler has now asked you to focus your disruption and gaslighting attempts on Yours for SCOTLAND and the liberation movement after your complete lack of success here?
Shit scrolled in right wing rags like the Tory Express are never worth reading.
Scotlands NHS is in dire straights sure enough and it’s there because of Englands Westminster.
The latest survey show the NHS in Wales ran by Labour for 25 years is the worst in the U.K.
N. Ireland also has a very poor record over the years and Tory NHS has privatised many of its
services where a rich Tory can take on zero hours contracts and fill their pockets.
We have not faced the procession of strikes that the other countries have.
We pay our nurses more and we are unique in paying for them to train.
With our remote rural areas to support and our history of problems with alcohol and poor diet
we should have the worst record and not the best.
I have had to use our NHS frequently recently and although I can see many problems I can get treatment and I do see dedicated and caring staff.
When the NHS Strikes were on an average of an extra 500 people were dying each week and the Tories refused to sit at a negotiating table.
Could they send a clearer message to the English voters.
They don’t give a damn about your life so what would they do for you.
England deserves all it gets for putting the Tories in and believing in Boris’ 40 new hospitals
the great new Brexit trade deals.
A couple of people tried blaming Alba (currently and likely to remain irrelevant for the next 10 years) for Shte Nicola Party’s drubbing – deaf, dumb and blind sheeple.
Nicky’s legacy is to have done what the Brits couldn’t do : emasulated and destroyed the : collective mission; the raison d’être; the political hierarchy; the… need I go on and on ?
The SNP is dead : the only solution is a new party formed from the remains of the SNP (after the coming Holyrood SNP voter rejection); Alba and the wider YES movement.
From the Yours For Scotland website:
“Pay particular attention to Alf Baird’s video which highlights the colonial situation in Scotland which is Liberation’s key target to overthrow.”
1 Alf Baird. 94%
Here’s the link to the ‘Yours For Scotland’ commitee election results:
THE LIBERATION COMMITTEE ELECTION RESULTS
@Logorrhea Mia 1.17pm
Given that Liberation Scotland are holding themselves out as being the precursors for – and electing a Committee to lead – a novel grassroots organisation which says it will be able to advance independence without the need for a referendum, plebiscitary election or trouble details like demonstrating majority support, isn’t it incumbent on them to be as open as possible?
If they are to represent the “Community of the Realm” in setting up some form of assembly, or Convention of the Estates, what harm is there in publicising what their membership figures are, how many people voted for these candidates, how those voting were vetted to check they were entitled to vote in Scotland, where their funding comes from etc.
None of these are unreasonable questions. If I join Liberation Scotland is it OK for me to publicise the numbers? If not, why not? If it is OK, why can’t Campbell Clansman ask?
It pays to be suspicious of any organisation which insists it has to keep these things secret: that applies in spades to one like Liberation Scotland which purports to be the start of some new mass movement which is somehow going to succeed where traditional political parties have failed.
Mia: Your usual intellectual reaction (some variation of “feck off”) to a request for facts, suggests that you know as well as I do that the so-called “Liberation Committee” was chosen by only a handful of people.
Basically, I’m asking for proof that “Salvo” and the “Liberation Committee” are something other than a handful of moonhowlers. The vote for ISP candidates–and the lack of such candidates–suggests that they’re an astroturf (fake grass roots) movement.
Prove this wrong with numbers. If you can’t, or won’t, that says it all.
Effijy
Good post. I agree with that. Sometimes there is too much diminishing of our frontline workers. A lot of good work is done across Scotland by good people who should be praised.
Our NHS is in greater danger now.
Alf Baird
Just watched your video on the ‘Yours For Scotland’ website, Alf.
An excellent summation of Scotland’s colonised status. Congratulations on being elected to the Liberation committee.
‘The Cunt & Cock-a-leekie’ have joined forces.
‘The Cunt & Cock-a-leekie’ have joined forces.
“It pays to be suspicious of any organisation which insists it has to keep these things secret”
Ha, that’s rich coming form the Wingate W*nker.
Of course when you have the full force of the English security services, and their pathetic House Jock working against you it pays to be careful.
Salvo/Liberation are doing the right thing by not reveling their every move.
Already the Hubble road tossers and the Denison d*cks have created false Salvo/Liberation websites to dupe Scots.
“I’m asking for proof that “Salvo” and the “Liberation Committee” are something other than a handful of moonhowlers”
Why do not need to “have” proof? What for? What do you intend to do with it?
Let me ask you again: if you are not a member, as you clearly are not because if you were you would be able to find out the figures you are so desperately looking for, then how many people voted for Prof Baird is absolutely none of your business. So you can stop the comedy and hung back on the peg your “Inspector Clusseau” (blastoned in UJs) raincoat and half mustache and focus your amateur attempts at gaslighting and derogatory racism against the Scottish people and Scotland, somewhere else.
I find very telling that you have not even attempted to deny the gaslighting and derogatory racism in your comments.
“Prove this wrong with numbers”
Do you seriously think I was born yesterday? Give me some credit. I know the new colonial Viceroy sitting in Scotland’s office and the imperial master sitting in n10 thanks to borrowed tory votes must be desperate to know how many people are members of Liberation, now that the SNP has been hijacked by the British state and their new soundbite that “independence is stone cold dead”.
Just tell them both to ask MI5 to find out. I am most certainly not going to put it easy for you.
“If you can’t, or won’t, that says it all”
Yeah, it says you are as transparent as clean fresh water.