Wings Over Scotland

Aye, taking care of ‘busy-ness’.

In the pub game a common ‘trick’ when the boss surfaced unexpectedly was to flick some water across the forehead to give the appearance of sweat.

A potential and very direct alternative is building,below is a post elsewhere on social media related to the Scotland United rally, it reads:

Do you consent to the continuation of the Treaty of Union?

Are you willing to exercise your Claim of Right as a Sovereign Scot?

Are you willing to sign your name with your answer to that question?

Tomorrow at the Scotland United rally, you can join all the other Sovereign Scots who have already done so, by signing their individual Declaration of a Sovereign Scot. The world is watching, and the world already knows their answer!

I will have blank Declaration forms at the Rally – ready for your signature. I hope to meet you there.

Thursday 19 Oct. 2023, I’m really looking forward to that day when the whole of Scotland stands up to take the p*ss out of NS/SNP/Useless. 🙂

Milady says: at 10:13 am

“Somewhat tangential, but does anyone actually buy The National any more? I can’t remember the last time I saw a copy for sale in my local stores. Is their circulation even in 4 figures these days??”
———————-
Yes that’s about right, 4 sold and the rest given away for recycling.

funny how carots were supposed to improve your eyesight,
does seem to be doing the SNP diehards any good.

There’s a piece in Slugger O’Toole this morning about the DUP at Stormont rippin’ the piss out of folk by drawing wages as MLAs while refusing to do their jobs.
The subhead is; “You Don’t Have to Do Your Job – Just Win the Next Election”
Entirely applicable to NuSNP.

I used to think maybe the dearth of talent in the Scottish Parliament was due to the better politicians going to the real Parliament at Westminster. I can’t even have that delusion now. Sadly, the Tories are correct that the SNP have lost the plot with this insane ‘plan’, unless the real plan is blood on the streets.

Daring and revolutionary
– Flynn wearing his collar up.

Mike Fenwick at 10:23,

while I have no doubt over your commitment, you do realise that this business of signing people up is nothing more than displacement activity?

The ancient rights are irrelevant in a modern world. The UN won’t take it seriously when you present your claims. There will be those that claim that the signatures are faked, not of eligible Scots, and that nobody has signed twice. Can you prove that each and every one is over 18, lives in Scotland and has a vote? You’d need a very strong set of controls in place on anything digital for GDPR reasons.

No that won’t do. And the young people need to know that they are being led up the garden path by Humza Yousaf.

Get all the socialist newspapers at the Scotland United for Independence, and all the University connections to say this won’t do.

This is a pack of lies by Humza Yousaf.

Anne says:Trouble on the streets

They are not pursuing Independence. The point of this article is to illustrate that. They are pursuing votes to try and get another 5 years wages and pensions etc for as many of them as they can. The people who have been running the SNP those past 8 years have as much interest in Independence, the Scottish nation and its people as do Douglas Ross and his Tories.

@ A Scot Abroad 11.14

Completely agree with your list of crucial criteria – the Declaration initiative is being built in Stages, all in preparation for a final Stage, where those criteria will be met.

(PS: It’s not digital – that was tested over 2 years ago with The National involved – it got hacked almost immediatley – which was kinda anticipated (thus the test) – and the GDPR is already fully complied with.)

(PPS: Lodging the forrms at the HQ of the UN – the only request made is that of safe-keeping – no more – one of the Stages now current is contact with 17 UN members – all of whom share one characteristic – all gained their independence from the UK.)

Just suggest you keep monitoring – the initiative will have its part to play in regaining Scotland’s independence.

As a long-standing critic of the thoroughly dismal SNP, I don’t agree that a majority of seats is worthless.

It has been worthless, Jesus H, we returned 56 out 59 seats for the SNP and absolutely NOTHING with it. But just because the SNP had neither a plan, nor a clue, on how to capitalise on such a benchmark threshold, doesn’t mean that it’s worthless.

To quote Oliver Anthony,

” Wish I could just wake up
And it not be true
But it is
Oh, it is..”

56 out of 59 damn it! Yet nothing. Not a whimper. Unbelievable.

Scotland’s MP’s are “the” voice of Scotland in Westminster, and 30 MP’s out of 59 is a first past the post majority in a UK Parliament which operates on a first past the post doctrine. Westminster respects seats, not votes.

I reluctantly concede that it’s probably too small a coat peg to carry the weight of Independence alone, and that sooner of later, Scotland needs Independence ratified by a popular majority. Ok. If we must, we must. Sigh.

HOWEVER, I am equally convinced that 30 seat majority in Scotland’s Westminster representation is a Scottish democratic majority which NOBODY has a legitimate Constitutional right to overrule, and as such, a remotely competent SNP should be able to engineer any number of Constitutional stand-offs and crises, that the Treaty of Union is effectively shredded, becomes unworkable with the UK largely ungovernable, and the continued existence of the UK is increasingly unsustainable. It should have happened in 2016. Opportunities do not come any bigger.

All it would take is the Claim of Right to become a recognised, sovereign constitutional veto, which it properly is / should be anyway, and the UK Government CANNOT then govern the UK in the way it currently does. It would be forced into change, and ANY change or reset means a “new” Treaty of Union needing drawn up and agreed.

Unless we leave the matter to another craven dunce like Sturgeon, out of that bourach should emerge Scottish Independence by constitutional default, which can then be ratified by the full Scottish Electorate.

The Treaty of Union is NOT conditional upon a democratic mandate or majority. It is a Treaty, similar to a Contract. There are other ways it can become undone, not least citing the history of violations to the Articles of the Treaty. The Contract has been repeatedly broken, and Scotland has traditionally done nothing about it. Now, we act.

If the majority opinion insists upon a popular majority of the people to secure Independence, then I believe they are profoundly wrong, but so be it.

However, even without a mandate from the people, a constitutionally aggressive Scottish Government with a 30 – 29 seat majority would have a sovereign mandate to act unilaterally, and could make sure the Treaty of Union is thoroughly trashed and irremediably discredited before it’s continuation is ever put to a public vote.

Once upon a time, a straight majority of seats was considered the benchmark for Scottish Independence. I believe it still can be, but we need someone far more constitutionally and politically astute, and competent, than any of the SNP benchwarmers so far returned.

Scotland’s sovereignty is both extant and potent, but expecting the SNP to take command of it and steer Scotland towards Independence just fills me with dread. They are too thick, feckless, and apparently blinded by hubris.

Accordingly, I believe it should be SALVO, and a properly codified Convention of the Estates who should be put in charge of Scotland’s Constitutional reawakening, definitely NOT the SNP, and it is for this distinction, that I recognise the reduced significance of a Westminster majority of seats.

As a route, it could still work, but frankly I would rather trust SALVO acting outside Westminster constraints, rather than the SNP working within them.

Never ask a question to which you don’t already know the answer. Never put Independence to a vote until you know it’s the only practicable and constitutional outcome. Give the UK Government a taste of it’s own medicine.

The people of Scotland are the independence movement as the fight for independence in Scotland would have died a long time ago if it were not for the people in Scotland themselves,
political parties are the preventative measures to ensure that it does not happen under management control.

And under that management, “political parties” will guide and manage you on how to think and suggest the actions you should take, or wether you should wait for the next election. Or perhaps the next election,

Anyone know the name of a good exorcist?

It would need to be one prepared for heads turning full circle, being sprayed with bright orange vomit and insults about his mother’s sexual activities & terfiness.

Finger crossed Stu’s article will help some see the light ‘cos
the carrots are definitely not doing what they’re supposed to.

Yawn! As my late grandmother from the old Leith Dock used to say: they are all full of Wind and Urine.

If that’s the proposal made at the conference they can forget it already.

Even their most gullable supporters will not accept it.

I suppose it’s all part of the SNP

Coming undone!

Scotland, like the UK, and like most of the EU, and most of the West, is undergoing a process of demographic replacement.

Nice passive voice. People keep voting against mass migration but it’s just something that mysteriously happens anyway, like LEZ zones and Hate Speech Bills.

The causes are complex, but the prime enabler, here as elsewhere, is a refusal for us all to live within our means. As a result, our economies have to import ever-increasing numbers of foreigners to do the jobs we demand are done to keep us in the style to which we have become accustomed (and believe we are entitled to).

Victim-blaming guff.

Replacement migration won’t ever pay the bills because most of them will never earn enough to be net taxpayers.

The reason we have wide open borders is because the people who own this country would rather get rid of the natives than pay them higher wages, and the asylum scam is making billions for Tory and Labour corporate donors.

ASA – you are not an expert on the UN, world history, european history, constitution, archaeology … there is not a lot you are an expert on – every time you post you demonstrate what you are, which is an overconfident fuckwit

– let’s see – mickey fucking mouse tufty club badge degree from a joke institution, then some military career which all involves : HAVING A LOUD VOICE (knowing that people aren’t allowed to tell you to fuck off)

but this is the real world and normal people can tell you to fuck off, you halfwit

I worked for a bit in the defence industry, they used to employ “MIs” aka “military idiots” to talk a lot of pish to potential customers about amazing whizz bangs and shoot-bang – since you doxxed yourself the other day, what as it happens is it you do?

– you flog radars to arabs (and its quite a cushy number, you should be thankful for it, nothing too technical)

my job at the time was doing the hard numbers stuff, dumbing it down to insulting levels, then spoonfeeding it to people at least 2 rungs of the ladder above the likes of you; I know more about radars, sensors, EW, military history than you do, and it’s not even my job any more.

I used to spend a lot of time “boiling things down” for these, high ranking blusterers; “but what does it mean” and … e.g. “if you get the bad guy into this circle, he’s dead”

– let’s boil down the UN

it’s a nest of corruption, but it was made that way, largely deliberately sabotaged post-war once the USA realised it couldn’t totally dominate it, and it would not be a “commonwealth” as the british empire had wished; the US actually favours corrupt leaders throughout the world – they are cheap to buy. On the face of it, looking for favours there is a bit hit and miss – but there is one thing which unites most of it

they all HATE ENGLAND

– for they remember the colonial past (some hate the French, but that’s a side issue)

if you can’t leverage this to build massive support for indy at the UN, then you’re “no tryin’ …” – a lot of countries would love – love it (like Kevin Keegan) – to see “england” reduced to half its size, with near total loss of its hydrocarbons, looking for a place to stick its subs, creaking at the seams, struggling to feed and house itself, half of it on a floodplain … you just have to accept that other people have a right to remember their own history and it is not “water under the bridge”, like the chinks, who we turned into smack addicts … fancy some opium Uncle Chang? Alas, a lot of people “just won’t let it go” and the empire was not some benign, humanitarian, civilising mission; that kind of crap gets shills like niall ferguson a nice job, but no one else buys it.

Scotland has plenty friends at the UN, if it just makes an effort to talk to them. But not even trying tells us all we need to know about our “nationalist” scotgov.

New letterhead appearing on SNP stationery any day now…

[royal coat of arms of the united kingdom]
{break}

By Appointment to
His Majesty King Charles III
Purveyors of Quality Bovine Manure
Scottish National Party
Edinburgh, United Kingdom

SNP = 1st Class Bullshit Merchants!

Have you EVER seen a political party squirm and wriggle and creep in the opposite direction from its supposed end goal, as does the SNP?

Charlatans, the lot of ’em

SNP OUT!

@Red says:15 September, 2023 at 12:13 pm

Victim-blaming guff

Hmmmm.

When was the last time any politician was prepared to tell the awkward truth to any constituency and expected to get elected afterwards?

I am firmly of the belief that a real political demand brings about a real political movement to meet and address that demand. All else is window-shopping and people happy to stay in their comfort zones with a bit of grumbling on the side.

A large tranche of the people of Rutherglen have voted for years for a party that does not do what it says on the tin. They are about to switch allegiance to a different party with a similar solid track record of not doing what it says on their tin.

That’s not being victims. That’s just being eejits.

“.. That’s just being eejits”

I rather like the new plan and inclined to trust SNP members ability to clarify the wooly worded bit that the national and wings has cleverly paraphrased as’demand’/ beg

Somewhat harder to trust them to apologise to Margaret Ferrier in time to guarantee the ISP victory that might help seal the new strategy though – so hopefully the UN will care more about our democracy than the American one it sanctioned war for (before appearing to abandon it in its hour of greatest need) and will still be able to save us from ourselves, if necessary, once it gets around to verifying the IDs on the recall petition.

John Main @ 11:52 am

“I ken a few guid Scots who have decided opportunities are better overseas, but I know of nobody who has been “banished” in living memory.”

Following clearances, evictions, land confiscations, transportation, Empire Resettlement Acts etc, the lack of economic opportunity in Scotland led to many more Scots departing their homeland, as most Scots know from their family histories. Today the lowest Scottish birthrate on record is another aspect. Imposing measures and creating socio-economic conditions that prevent a people from reproducing themselves is effectively another form of ‘banishment’; indeed, this also forms part of the UN definition of genocide:

link to un.org

Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

The foreign media in Scotland relished pointing out that one in five or one six people living in Scotland is now over sixty, as kind of Scots are too old (a new one on the too wee, too poor trope) to manage their own affairs and become independent.

I’d imagine Scotland loses twenty to thirty thousand young folk every year, they leave looking for better prospects, and in most part they are replaced by English pensioners or English folk disillusioned with the London rat race, who come to Scotland looking to buy a property and get slightly quicker NHS treatment and they put a huge strain on our services.

So the folk from South of the border add to the older demographics of Scots aging, we’re losing the our ain young folk, and picking up auld English folk, and its unsustainable, independence is a MUST.

I got this spot on if not depressing reply when I asked about the census revealing the demographics of Scotland.

“At the moment that info is scheduled for 2025 making it post the general election. I think it is likely to be delayed until 2026 taking it handily until after the next Scottish election. The census delays are outrageous.”

What a lot of tosh this new SNP indy policy is.

1. A vote for any pro indy party other than the SNP doesn’t count. Such a stance by the SNP is utterly untenable. If you wish to induce a constitutional change, it cannot be only via a vote for one specific pro independence party.

2. So, let’s imagine the SNP win most seats in Scotland. They are then only going to say to London, please can we have a section 30? And we all know the answer will be NO. That is it. Oh, sure they have worded it in confusing terminology, but that is exactly what it means.

Far, far, far more effective would be pro independence votes (for any pro indy party), with only 1 pro independence candidate per constituency, as ALBA suggest. That makes it clear that it is pro indy votes, not pro SNP votes, to make the constitutional change.

I for one will NOT vote SNP come the next election. I will vote Alba or not vote at all. They still will not work with the pro independence movement. Instead they want it all to themselves, and for that ONE reason, they will fail.

I really had hoped perhaps Humza would really go for it, but it is just the same old sh*te, of asking for a section 30, and getting refused (again).

The SNP know this is pointless, but it is designed to fool the gullible, and make them think independence could happen if they vote SNP. It doesn’t and it won’t.

Jeezo, the SNP are just so freaking pathetic.

@Alf Baird says:15 September, 2023 at 2:44 pm

If you succeed in changing the meanings of everyday English words to suit your agenda, you may indeed gain some traction for your frankly bonkers claims.

As a mark of respect, I am going to point out to you that there has to be better ways of growing Indy support than that.

Meantime, I am starting to get some understanding of why you are so keen to enforce the Scots language on us – given the paltry interest and understanding of Scots within the Scots generally, you should be able to make anything you say mean anything you want.

Soz an a’ that, but I think your definition of genocide deserves repetition so that alert readers can reflect on how it manifests itself on the streets and in the homes of Scotland in 2023.

genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Plenty of shagging going on in my village.

A reminder of what the English thought about Scots just before the 2014 indyref. I doubt much has changed.

link to nitter.net

Queen Lizzie II’s supposedly off the cuff remark, just before the 2014 indyref was carefully planned and executed using Whitehall and the media, apparently auld lizzie wanted to openly speak out against Scottish independence, but Whitehall thought that might upset the natives.

“This little snippit shines a light on the palace lie that Queen Elizabeth’s remark “I hope people will think very carefully about the future,” spoken to some strategically placed press hacks outside Crathie Kirk, was indeed a well rehearsed, deliberate last-minute intervention. This from a monarchy that boasts it never gets involved in politics.”

“Under a cloak of secrecy, the Cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, and the Queen’s private secretary, Sir Christopher Geidt, held talks to work out how she might express her concerns in a suitably coded way. The result was a remark overheard after a Sunday service in Crathie Kirk, the small church that the Royals attend when staying at Balmoral.”

link to grousebeater.wordpress.com

To think there’s plenty of dumb House Jocks who still revere these parasites who couldn’t give a monkeys about Scots.

Hi Red, I think your post actually works with John’s shagging is not the problem while abortion is available more or less on demand and small children are being introduced to contraception by the machine. What happened to the role of Mum and Dad, who were supposed to guide children into adulthood? they have been side lined by the new orthodoxy which I think Alf was referring to.
Until we get the family system up and running again and all the alternative lifestyles back in their boxes, we can forget Independence or even life as we knew it.

‘Infinite Carrot Generator’ probably translates as ‘Carrottier’ in French. If it doesn’t, it should.

‘L’Entarteur’ was the name given to the custard pie operative who bagged Bill Gates amongst others and was jailed for his trouble. We have no equivalent in Scotland, although older readers may recall a certain ‘Mrs Kelly’ who was ‘hit a scud in the belly’.

When will we see their likes again?

I recall years ago floating the Fuck for Freedom manifesto to get more Scottish folk spawning offspring to improve the demographics of our nation. Generally folk enjoy getting laid or at least they used used to. Can swiping a touch screen on a smartphone really give you more joy than an orgasm? I don’t know what floats the kids’ boats these days.
Wonder how the recent census date release ties in with this older article.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

And also Mia’s posts.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Happened to go to town yesterday to attempt to sort out the mysteriously high data use I suffered, but observed other stuff as I walked round the toon. How does this work. Toon packed with what looks like recent Humza friendly non white immigrants, all huffing away on oldskool analogue fags. Is our struggling health service up to tackling the burden of all the inevitable health issues these news Scots will bring.

It isn’t the SNP that has failed us – it is the leadership. Rev Stu has made that clear to the meanest understanding but there are huge numbers of SNP supporters who are still in the Denial stage.

As Alex Salmond said in the Fabiani “non-Inquiry” about several bodies – I forgot them all but the civil service was one and I think either the Scottish government or the SNP was another, and possibly the justice system – it’s not the civil service etc that has failed, it is the leadership.

We btl all, I think, recognise where the problem lies. Our politicians lack the backbone, principles and intelligence to stand up and assert the Claim of Right i.e. that the people of Scotland are the sovereign, the politicians are our servants, and England is most definitely not sovereign over Scotland.

It is a fact that the CoR Act 1689 is still in force [which is why Charles Windsor had to swear to uphold it]. It is a fact that it forms part of the Constitutional Settlement of the Treaty of Union. BUT our politicians meekly defer to Westminster sovereignty.

On 19th September at 11.00 a.m. at Holyrood some of the Sovereign People are going to direct the Scottish government, and all our representatives, to uphold the law of Scotland and the Constitutional Settlement. The document, drawn up by Scottish Sovereignty Research Group, Salvo, and others, is known as the Stirling Directive [see Salvo.scot].

It requires the Scottish Government to inform Westminster that their assumption of sovereignty over Scotland is unlawful. And the Scottish Government must announce a referendum or an immediate plebiscitary election on the question of independence.

This document tells the truth and puts we ordinary non-politicians back as the leaders of our country and its welfare. It really is a beacon of light, hope and sanity. It would be great if there were a sufficient crowd at Holyrood on Tuesday to make the MSPs realise that they had better start paying attention to us instead of to their bank balances.

Big Tam says: at 5:35 pm

“Wee reality check here guys. There’s no consistent majority in Scotland for independence…”

Eh, there’s also no consistent majority support from the electorate in Scotland (or the UK for that matter) to have a Conservative government but we still get one…

Maybe they mean it this time. Or maybe not.

And we have Big Tam the self confessed Tim and yoon returning again to tell us Scots that we are doomed doomed doomed

OCH well we may as well go home and forget about it now that Big Tam has telt us

Big tam (small penis guy) you were told to fuck off.
Please do.

Too many youngsters these days are… what’s the nice word for… wee fannies?

In the 80’s we we out fighting and playing fitba until yer Maw threatened murder, and we had no problems getting girlfriends.

Most 18-20 year old men I see these days, my 9 year old self would probably have battered. They look like overgrown toddlers and they talk like girls.

Bring back the 80’s and Make Scotland ‘Mon Then’ Again.

Is it considered ethical, or is it even a legal use of taxpayers’ money for a big estate owner with dozens of rented properties to temporally install a low earner in a huge property (that they could never normally afford the high rent for) so the landowner can then claim all the grants for “green” stuff?
Also juggling low income tenants in and out of other properties they own so they can obtain more of the taxpayer funded initiatives.
Just seems a bit off to me.

@Ruby

Well, in the case of the French, if you’re referring to the French revolution of 1789, that wasn’t originally a republican revolution, it was initially about ensuring political representation for most of the public as opposed to just the nobility. The initial plans were to retain a constitutional monarchy, and Louis XVI was seemingly supportive of this in public at first, wearing revoluitionary symbols as a way of indicating his apparent sympathy. This only changed in 1792, when Louis XVI and his family attempted to flee France and take refuge in one of the bordering countries, in the hope (it was believed, at any rate) of allying with an army there, where he could later invade and try to restore the ancien regime, or something closer to it. In the event, his party was intercepted and captured while still in France, taken back to Paris, and kept as prisoners.

As he and his wife were deemed to have betrayed the revolution and committed treason by trying to get involved with an enemy power to take action against France (btw, at this time, France was also at war, or at least conflict, with several of the European countries that bordered it, as well as undergoing internal conflicts within its own borders), this led the authorities to declare the French Republic in 1792, with the monarchy abolished, and a completely new calendar was instituted, based on the decimal system (its Year Zero start date backdated to Autumn 1791). The KIng and Queen were tried, found guilty, the parliament-equivalent – the National Convention or whatever it was called by then – voted for them both to suffer the death penalty, and both were executed in 1793.

Napoleon later changed the French Republic to the French Empire, with himself as Emperor, in 1804, and after his defeat in 1814, the monarchy was restored, with Louis XVIII (though there was a brief interlude from 1814 – 15 when Napoleon attempted an ultimately unsuccessful comeback). The French monarchy later fell, permanently this time, during the 1848 French revolution, when the Second French Republic was formed. On that occasion, the incumbent monarch, Louis-Philippe, simply abdicated and fled the country

Dan

> Come to think of it, is smoking actually still allowed in Ultra Low Emission Zones.

What about methane emissions – 80 times the power of CO2!?

Salvo trying to assert the nonsense Claim of Right ain’t go to end up well for them. It’s meaningless guff, and is going to be ignored by the grown ups in Edinburgh, London, and the UN in New York.

The only thing that’s going to work internationally is a properly constituted referendum, and the only way that’s going to be granted is by having respected polling showing something over 55% in favour of Indy, and the only way that’s going to be achieved is by the Indy movement putting together credible plans for the important stuff, like trade, currency, the economy and the like. And nobody at all – including Alex Salmond, who looks like one of life’s failures – is doing that. Nobody at all is trying to persuade No voters to Yes.

Scotland is kindergarten politics. Every single MSP, from every party, is a political pygmy. The Scottish people need far better, or for devolution to be cancelled, because what we have now just isn’t working for anyone.

OT but am I wrong in thinking that an incredible fuss is being made of THAT KISS, which looked like an enthusiastic peck and little else, yet our national news (ITV) seems intent on pushing it as an event worthy of comment and pearl clutching.

I would like to think that the footballer in question was more than capable of delivering a swift knee to the knackers or a swipe on the cheek and that would be the end of the saga which is , at least to me , beginning to look ridiculous and in turn making women look ridiculous.

OK maybe it is just me.

Red “Heh, McCafferty! Yer tea’s oot!! :o)

If the US authorities get their way and Julian Assange is extradited to the US, where he would stand trial (kangaroo style) in Alexandria (Virginia), his friend and associate Craig Murray will be banned from entering the public court house to witness the proceedings.

An excerpt.

So I found the federal court and I went to enter, as any member of the public is entitled to do,” Murray said, according to a video recording of his remarks. “They asked me for my ID, as they ask everybody, I believe, and I handed in my passport.

“And they made a phone call and somebody came down and he had a badge on that said, ‘U.S. Marshals,’” Murray went on. “And he said, ‘Sorry sir, but you cannot enter the courtroom.’”

“And I said, ‘Is it not a public courtroom? Is there not a public right of access?’”

“And he said, ‘Yes sir, but you are not the public.’

“And I said, ‘But there are trials. And trials, by law, are open to the public, generally.’

“He said, ‘Yes sir, I’m sorry but you can’t come in, Ambassador Murray.’”

“And that was really interesting,” Murray said, “because nowhere in my passport does it give my title and nor had I mentioned it. So how did they know who I am?”

“The level of surveillance,” Murray said. “I don’t know if that is facial recognition technology. I don’t know what it is that brought that up. I don’t know whether they had a memo sitting on their desk in the courtroom saying, ‘If Craig Murray ever comes, don’t let him in.’”

link to consortiumnews.com

@Republicofscotland

Quite so. Even several nobles joined the cause, albeit quite possibly more out of expediency than conviction.

@Dorothy Devine 7:55

It’s not just you.

You’re not wrong.

@ Stuart Mackay

Methane emissions you say! This harks back to my post a month or so back pointing out that immi/emigration and multiculturalism is damaging the planet. All these fancy curry hooses and the importation (using fossil fuel transportation) of exotic spices and pulses to create meals that are jist too much for the indigenous Scots’ digestive systems to handle, and thus cause excessive flatulation.

Are vapes Euro 6 emission compliant for huffing in da ULEZ hood. I’d prefer to smell Castrol R fumes from a retro internal combustion engine rather than some candy floss melon strawberry fruit vapour concoction exhaled from some brain melt nicotene junky’s lungs if that’s ok. It’s not like passive smoking risks aren’t known about. Just ask Roy Castle…

It’s all very selective this planet saving pish isn’t it. You can lob as many disposable vapes into the gutter as you like and all the lithium from their batteries eventually seeps out as the colourful little road art exhibits get crushed under ULEZ compliant vehicle tyres, and then the lithium makes its way into the water course. Ooh, forgot to add as an additional causation factor to the pending Eel Flu pandemic post I warned about.

I called for a vape deposit scheme ages ago as foresaw all this coming years back. It would actually be a very simple thing to do. But no, Circularity Scotland bosses on the big bucks ignore that and come out with DRS pish costing the taxpayers millions.
FFS, I’m producing policy initiatives for free.

Dorothy Devine says:
15 September, 2023 at 7:55 pm

OT but am I wrong in thinking that an incredible fuss is being made of THAT KISS, which looked like an enthusiastic peck and little else, yet our national news (ITV) seems intent on pushing it as an event worthy of comment and pearl clutching.

The problem with it is it will make our young men afraid to kiss. I know you don’t get pregnant just by kissing but there’s got to be some kissing first.

Same applies to flirting! There’s got to be some interaction before the kissing and the baby making.

Our young men are probably afraid to send a text,ask a girl out, give a flirty tweak of the girls hair or God forbid hold her hand.

It’s no wonder our young men have started to order their undies from Agent Provocateur.

Agreed about women looking ridiculous. I’ve though that since first seeing the name Rosa Zamboni aka woman Z that was even before the ‘Alphabetties’ came on the scene.

Has all this come about because we had a first minister who was a closet lesbian?

Hi Ruby.

RE: Joan of Arc.

Absorb the pertinent info at the link below, then you’ll be able to teach your French pals some of their own history.

link to maidofheaven.com

Hi Ruby.

And the legacy of “Hey Tuttie Tatie”…

link to youtube.com

@ A Scot Abroad 7.46 … I suspect it may just be you that may (stress may) be interested, the Declaration of a Sovereign Scot initiative is stand apart from Salvo, although obviously both know of each other’s existence, and it can and has caused confusion, thus this response.

I agreed with you earlier, I do so again over some of the serious and grown up plans that are needed, but would also include the questions such as thos related to the State Pension, and the impact of the Internal Market Act. I don’t post on Wings that often, but am covering such items in other posts elsewhere, both in practical (and strategic) terms.

You comment ” It’s meaningless guff, and is going to be ignored by the grown ups in Edinburgh, London, and the UN in New York.”

Again on balance I agree (not sure about Edinburgh tho’) – I mentioned current contact with 17 UN Members, all of whom gained their independence from the UK.

One is the USA – would they come on board? My opinion is not very likely, not least over their and NATO’s recent reaction to the UN moves on banning nuclear weapons. How an independent Scotland decides over whether to show support for that UN move – v – joining NATO, or not, is a most certainly a place for grown up thoughts.

However, one of the other 17 UN Members with whom contact has been made is Ireland. Maybe they won’t ignore efforts on the part of Scotland to regain its independence. Might I suggest they may be keenly interested. Que Sera.

As above, I am not on Wings often, so I may leave you with my earlier suggestion – keep monitoring, there is more to follow which I genuinely believe may (stress may again) interest you.

Mike Fenwick,

I’ll salute your generosity of reply, and acknowledge your arguments as having clearly had the application of thought and understanding of nuance.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, because we’re on opposite opinions of the fundamental question of Indy, and I’d hope that your side won’t prevail. But that doesn’t mean that I can’t respect the dedication and hard work that you are putting in.

John Main @ 4:06 pm

“Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group”

Thais is primarily the colonial mindset, which is the ‘manufactured’ psychological condition of an oppressed people.

“Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group”

Which includes a lack of affordable housing; lack of well-paid jobs; anti-family education policies; adverse judicial policy against young males = lowest Scottish birthrate on record.

Unless you have other valid explanations for the ongoing ‘colonial mindset’ and ‘lowest birthrate on record’ phenomena?

Red

A number of the communists i’ve known, not all, were a bit prone to the old braggadocio. Ring any bells, shagger.

Channel 4 will air a special investigation on their Dispatches programme on Saturday evening.

The 90-minute documentary will air at 9pm on the channel – but no information has been released about its content.

Intriguing! What could it be about?
I’m wondering if it has anything to do with the SNP.

Maybe not this time! Although it might feature Janey Godley and Susie McCabe.

“Channel 4 presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy sparked debate on social media over the potential focus of the investigation after cryptically tweeting a screenshot of the programme with the caption: “Something’s up.”

Someone posted the following:
Documentary that’ll cancel more
comedians
Dispatches has been working on an undercover
(well more ‘covert’) expose documentary that is going to get an obscene amount of high profile comedians cancelled. Like, beloved comedians from late 80s, 90s, 00s. Including some who have already been cancelled while the doc has been worked on (footage collection started around 2020).
It contains proof of a variety of comedians/ comedic actors both male and female being racist, sexist, homophobic, using drugs, sleeping with prostitutes, money laundering through movies and cheating on their spouses.

Konstantin Kisin tweeted:

“A bunch of male feminist comedians are about to be revealed as acting in ways that are somewhat inconsistent with their endless and rather tiresome virtue signalling and I’m here for it.”

Me too as well Konstantin.

Alf Baird says:
16 September, 2023 at 8:26 am

John Main @ 11:51 pm

There are clearly a number of factors resulting in Scotland’s historically low birth rate. As you disagree with all those proposed, perhaps you could provide the answer?

Innarestin but Soz Alf YCBS!

I’ve just been reminded, on seeing that ‘NATIONAL’ page, just how much i detest that slimey wee Unionist lickspittle ‘Sally McMoist’. And how i find the sight of him every bit as blood-curdling as seeing Ruth Davidson or Nicola Sturgeon.

I never watched Scotland’s game against England but any time i tuned-in to see what was going on i was reminded also of just how much i feel embarrassed every time i hear him speak. He is the poster-boy for the ‘Proud Scot But’ fraternity. He epitomises that species.

PS I should have added that I think I already know about most the things that have happened to Craig Murray hence reluctance to persevere with video.

The new thread has gone way off topic already it’s gone a bit ‘holier than thou’ about anthem boos & keeping politics out of fitba.

I don’t have a problem with men behaving ‘badly’ at football in fact I found both of the following incidents very entertaining.
Much more so than the actual football ‘which I don’t pretend to understand at all’

link to youtube.com

link to youtube.com

National anthems for the most part merit a boo or two except ‘La Marseillaise’ which I think is BDB.

I don’t have a problem with men celebrating a win and giving a lassie a kiss.

If I remember correctly getting a kiss can be quite nice especially if you fancy the guy.

If you don’t fancy him, well you just give him the brush off as gently as you can. No need to go to the police.

I would like to ask all these lesbians who don’t like getting a kiss from a bloke to cool it. Most of us heteros quite like it.
And also we heteros are looking for men to be more spontaneous.

How in the name of the wee man are we going to increase the population if we ban men from kissing?

Are we going to have to import more turkey basters?

More importantly where are we going to find the *cervixes for the turkey basting?

HoHumza wants selective abortions and I’m pretty sure that won’t mean selectively aborting babies born in a male body.

I’m wondering if selective abortion might be transphobic?

Tell me has anyone ever heard a woman say

‘My Vagina’ is such a strange and wonderful thing to say! 🙂

*cervixes That doesn’t sound right. Anyone know the plural of cervix.

Testing: My vagina!
Naw it just feels a bit stupid and not at all wonderful

I’m ending this post with a bit of music.
Sing it Sam!

link to youtube.com

There are 2 things which seem to me that hit the birthrate

– feminist propaganda about careers, demonisation of having kids, and the idea that “girls just wanna have fun” and can do so until they are in their mid 40s, and can have them then, when they are “ready to settle down” and find some perfect “soul mate”; this is all bad in all sorts of ways. Young women produce healthy babies and more of them. But this is a western problem not specific to Scotland.

– the specific problem and the bigger one is the rigged housing market which we have to endure, which gets into issues of the economy, cartels, restriction of supply, local corruption – this keeps housing costs high and thus favours, banks, housebuilders and landowners. It is a horrible racket and needs serious land reform to solve.

Good news and bad news; it’s quite easy to solve this – in the first case you bribe the young women to have their kids early, and in the right numbers, with high levels of welfare support, plus the incentive of educational/business grants in their 30s when they can get back out there, become fighter pilots, brain surgeons and all that.

In the second case you need to do serious land reform and revision of planning laws, setup your own building societies and housebuilders – think George Bailey, not Mr Potter – then it is quite easy.

The bad new is : you can do NOTHING about this in the UK, or under any federal or devolved system – they will never let you touch the land ownership problem, or mess with the banks.

Chic McGregor says:
16 September, 2023 at 10:37 am

Ruby 8.0pm

How about this.

Yugoslavia only qualified for 3 out of the 7 World Cup finals between 1966 and 1990.

Time to ditch the ridiculous ‘no more Tories’ sales pitch and promote ‘Independence = Many more world cups’?

I think it would work a treat we might even be able to get the ‘Red, White, Blue & Orange Rangers’ on board.

Don’t athletes need a lot of confidence? What kind of confidence can you have if you play for a country that you don’t believe even is a country.

Cringers don’t make good athletes.

A bit of music to end this post:
link to youtube.com

Cringers can only do ‘dad dancing’

Time to learn the ‘Seann Triubhas’ & the ‘Sword Dance’

Learning Highland dancing would be just the thing for our footballers to learn. These highland dances require a lot of very trick footwork especially the ‘Sword Dance’

No more dad dancing lets see you do the ‘Sword Dance’ then you can come back and sing ‘Yes Sir I can boogie’

@ Confused: hear, hear, on all you say.

We need ordinary sovereign scots deciding what’s what. We cannot possibly be as devious, lazy, feeble and incompetent as the people currently in power.

Somebody btl on Yours for Scotland yesterday said they had explained Salvo and direct democracy to 4 people in the local hospital cafeteria and said 4 people all thought it is a wonderful system. Ordinary folk aren’t daft. When they are given the information they understand straightaway the difference between the current system and the way it was, and should be.

A Scot Abroad says:
16 September, 2023 at 12:38 pm

Confused,

Scotland doesn’t have many resources that anyone else wants,

Sometimes it’s hard to be a woman who is required to be good.

I think it’s OK to say cunt on here as long as don’t call someone a cunt. That would be personal abuse & result in a long stay in pre-moderation aka on the naughty step.

I’ll test it out by saying

‘My vagina is a cunt’. 🙂

It was kinda wonderful to say I even made myself laugh! 🙂

Surely I can’t be back on the naughty step for that. It’s a biologic fact.

@Alf Baird 8:26

Turns out there’s an innarestin but easily predictable twist to Scotland’s birth rate.

Approx 4.5% of Scots self id as being in an ethnic minority.

Approx 12% of births in Scotland are to parents where both are immigrants to the UK.

These figures are difficult to refine, probably out of date, etc. But they hint at a conclusion more aligned with my view than yours. There is nothing inherently hostile to starting a family in Scotland, in fact, newcomers to the country can’t believe their luck at all the luvverly money and support they stand to trouser, courtesy of the Scottish taxpayer, over the 25 years it will take from gestation to graduation.

Let me save you the bother of claiming that white, indigenous Scots are colonially oppressed into childlessness – they arguably still enjoy more advantages than any immigrant struggling with a new culture, language, hostile neighbours, etc.

Bottom line though, one group is breeding well, the other less so.

I wonder if the breeding group’s secret of success is wide-spread disengagement from the Scottish political scene?

They just moved back to Scotland,
Needing a few more scots to assess the world where they are and return back home.

I was from big family, seven of us remain and all had children and grandchildren in Scotland,

James Che says:
16 September, 2023 at 3:40 pm

They just moved back to Scotland,
Needing a few more scots to assess the world where they are and return back home.

You avoided my question James. But hey not to worry it happens often here.

Have a good week-end.

Rarely to never mentioned on here.

Many, maybes even a majority, of Sovereign Scots don’t support Indy.

Beware the law of unintended consequences. By all means empower us Sovereign Scots to have our say.

But don’t presume you can take what we will say for granted.

This Sovereign Scot won’t be supporting any idiocy that makes me and Scotland a worse place to live. That’s not hostility to Indy per se. It’s hostility to eejits, value signalling, anti-realistic cant, totalitarianism and poverty.

So, for the moment, it’s hostility to the SNP.

Main posting again from the Bumper John Main Book of Often Demolished Pish

– it’s like reruns on the freeview channels

except Get Carter and Fistful of Dollars were good films

The main driver behind people having fewer children is wealth. Everywhere. Also, 65 year-olds are past it, and we do not have a culture of regarding children as economic assets to the family. Alf Baird is a loonie: We pay anyone £24 a week to have a child and an additional £15.90 per kid per week after the first one.

Confused says
Note that one “side effect” of the persistent dissemblers posting daily about the same thing – it “resets” the discussion, it’s groundhog day, round we go again, and never going forwar.

You said it. And we fall for it every time. And then there’s the actual post which is the truth.

-I was just reminded that Scotland was desperate to jon re-join the EU (‘cos of all them export trade opportunities of course)
so I was just looking to see where I could find that our exemplary education system had a laser focus in teaching foreign languages -perhaps like French, German, Spanish, Italian and Dutch for starters. Maybe even Russian and Mandarin if we want to join the wider world.

Couldn’t find any sign of it, mind you I couldn’t see any sign of a focus on reading, writing or rithmetic either ………..