Wings Over Scotland

You’ll be waiting for Godot one assumes.

I’m waiting for the BBC to end .. and a test card to be broadcast in its place – just as much fun.

Just confirms that my decision to withhold the proportion of thelicence fee that accounts for Current Affairs and their legal department, were justified.

ps- The response to my letter asking them to advise me how much is allocated to Current Affairs and the Legal Department thanked me for letting them know I didn’t require a TV Licence and that they’d write in again in 2 years. Doh!

I wonder what “range of topics” they have in mind for you ? Bullseye prizes or food with funny names would be their safest bet but even then…

My decision not to renew the license fee* seems ever more correct. To be ‘taxed’ in order to be lied to would likely have irked the New England colonists as much as ‘no taxation without representation’.

*My wife took the TV I bought her with her when she left and I took the opportunity of the absence of her objection to reject the license fee for Yes reasons.

Not this side of actual independence. They can whistle even after the Yes vote and I reckon even that won’t cure them. Hell mend them.

Come on Nicola pull finger and call it. Okay wait to see which muppet is PM after the dust settles and get them to refuse again so the international community can see it wasn’t just Theresa being obdurate, but continuing and ongoing policy to deny us self determination despite having conceded the principle three times (1979, 1997 and 2017).

They’re funny, aren’t they.

This is why I don’t pay the “licence fee”, nor watch their output and now rarely listen to their radio news and current affairs, which are neither news nor current affairs.

It’s a form of pollution IMO.

£3.7Billion raised by TV licence demands.

The revenues the BBC gets is £5Billion

Oh well you were too late Stu. You didn’t complain within 20 working days. Maybe that’s how the BBC didn’t deal with complaints about Jimmy Saville for over 50 years. They say they weren’t dealt with due to a culture of fear. Looks as though any old excuse they can come up with will do.

Can you imagine it?

Can I report that I’m extremely concerned that Jimmy Saville is a paedophile. I wrote to you about this last week but have had no reply.

BBC:- Do you have any proof?

Yes I and a friend saw him rape a physically handicapped woman in a hospital 3 weeks ago.

BBC:- Sorry you’re too late. There’s a twenty day deadline.

”The BBC missed opportunities to stop “monstrous” abuse by DJ Jimmy Savile and broadcaster Stuart Hall because of a “culture of fear”, a report says.”

link to bbc.co.uk

Oh well you were too late Stu. You didn’t complain within 20 working days. Maybe that’s how the BBC didn’t deal with complaints about Jimmy Saville for over 50 years. They say they weren’t dealt with due to a culture of fear. Looks as though any old excuse they can come up with will do.

Can you imagine it?

Can I report that I’m extremely concerned about Jimmy Saville. He is a monstrous paedophile. I wrote to you about this last week but have had no reply.

BBC:- Do you have any proof?

Yes I, and a friend, saw him r*pe a physically handicapped young girl in a hospital 3 weeks ago.

BBC:- Sorry you’re too late. There’s a twenty day deadline.

”The BBC missed opportunities to stop “monstrous” abuse by DJ Jimmy Savile and broadcaster Stuart Hall because of a “culture of fear”, a report says.”

link to bbc.co.uk

What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?

BBC – BritNat Brainwashing Channel

The bbc is just another example of why the establishment will NEVER allow democracy , the uk is already the spearhead for the NWO where business and old money control the politicians and the politicians carry out their instructions with NO regard to the populace , ably helped and assisted by their self serving ("Quizmaster" - Ed) lackeys .

The NWO have taken control of the media , broadcasting , newspapers and the soon to be Internet , and the public are so engrossed in their strictlys and love islands that they don’t see it or don’t care
This corrupt organisation doesn’t report the news it manipulates and manufacturers their version of what it wants you to absorb

Kezia’s ( VICTORY ) see what I mean

Television licence? Or wealth tax?

It’s always struck me as an odd phrase when what it is is a licence to own a television that the government collected money for under the guise of it being to fund the BBC which is a commercial broadcaster as well as the lovely phrase, a *public* broadcaster, but then aren’t all broadcasters *public*? I mean that’s the point isn’t it

Now the government being unwilling to continue to pay the BBC from general taxation as it always did have shifted the task on to the BBC to collect their own money to fund themselves yet still making it illegal if the consumer refuses to pay this *tax licence*

So with whom does this legal power of enforcement now lie, is it the government? is it the BBC?

Is it now the case that should persons not pay the BBC they in turn contact the government to institute legal proceedings against those persons or is the BBC now a licenced tax collector and legal enforcement agency, and if that’s the case, if every person in the United Kingdom refused to pay up the BBC wouldn’t be able to take them all to court because it couldn’t afford to if it must pay its own legal fees

Sky Netflix Now TV indeed all of these companies rely on the strength and sales of their content programming to attract revenue and advertisers, thus they are successful, but the BBC rely on none of these things because the content whether you watch it or not matters not one jot because you’re *forced* to pay for it, you’re not asked, they don’t try to sell you the BBC you’re ordered to pay under penalty of legal action for something you may never use

Given that the BBC is not the NHS or some other societal beneficially useful to mankind medical arrangement one wonders why no one has taken the bull by the horns and legally challenged the enforcement of payment for just owning an object that sits in the corner of your living room that’s only used like any other household tool or hairdryer even, and we don’t pay hairdryer tax do we

Yet!

No taxation without representation highlights Stu’s case against the BBC, Stuart Campbell pays for the BBC yet when the BBC using it’s employees the presenters, misrepresent Stuart Campbell as the paying customer they find myriad ways of refusing to address the legitimate complaint by Stuart Campbell the customer yet Mr Campbell the customer cannot switch suppliers due to being unhappy with that company’s service

So this tax, licence, call it what you will is actually a fee on being *alive* and being wealthy enough to own a TV and has as much to do with TV services as Kezia Dugdale is to the truth, at least with a political figure you can vote them out

So it would seem the only people safe from the BBC are either homeless or dead

Isn’t democracy UK style just great

HandandShrimp @ 14:55,

Indeed. I don’t know whether it is deliberate or merely a consequence of a serious degree of bureaucratic constipation coupled with acute producer defensiveness, but the end result is the same.

The BBC should scrap the whole monstrous edifice and copy the approach taken by the quality press, namely to have an impartial ombudsman who takes any complaint seriously and follows it through for what it’s worth. (Though granted, the Beeb would need a whole team of ombudsmen and women!)

I once queried a photo attribution in an article in The Observer and got a very pleasant reply back from the ombudsman, who had investigated and found that the attribution was indeed correct, giving chapter-and-verse. Which was in turn readily acceptable to me. (In fact, I learnt something.)

A complete contrast with the BBC, where self-evident errors are routinely rejected out-of-hand by the production team, sometimes after a significant delay (oh, the irony!), and further pursuit of the matter inevitably evokes responses that are casually dismissive, typically miss significant aspects of the complaint entirely and otherwise insist that black-is-white in the face of indisputable facts. And this is as true for non-political issues as for more-contestable political matters.

But yes, they do need to be challenged. The ones which make it through the vast labryinth do hit home, and get noticed by the public.

No wonder the Treasury is now losing over £700,000 a year due to people no longer willing to pay for a license to have propaganda beamed right into their living room. Add to that using tax-payers money to award a bunch of losers lucrative wages, such as Gary Lineker on £1.75 million a year. How disgusting is that? Time for the BBC to give up the ghost.

link to en.wikipedia.org

@robertknight says:3 July, 2019 at 3:36 pm:

” … What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?”

If you really know anything about pigs, Robert, you would know there are another two things you most certainly can expect from pigs. Besides the grunts you get from the front end you also will get squeals, but more of that anon, from the other end you get an abundance of shite and pish.

Your comparison between pigs and the BBC is thus very apt. As to the squeals these will come along with independence when the many shooglie pegs the BBC Scotland staff’s jaikits currently hing upon at last give way upon Scottish independence sees the wearers of said jaikits find themselves jobless and themselves unwelcome in Scotland.

BBC just doing its job.

An extention of the English state and England’s security services.

Problem is lots of folk starting to realise this fact.

I also now think paying the TV licence just encourages them.

Jason Smoothpiece @5-17pm

“Problem is lots of folk starting to realise this fact.”

That’s not a ‘problem’ as far as I’m concerned – the more others realise the BBC’s game, the better for Indy!!!

Typical BBC response. It only makes sense when you recognise that their mission is not to explain but to distract and confuse. British Brainwashing Corporation I call them.

I’ve complained myself on a couple of occasions in the past but the wall of resistance you’re met with is enough to put most people off ever complaining again. And of course that’s exactly how they like it.

Hit them in the pocket… no point to complain.

The BBC, and others in the UKOK media …. Fighting this last ditch defence of their Union is the highest priority. It will only get worse. One thing is for sure, they won’t be deflected, they won’t moderate, and they will only give up when they (like their union) is dissolved in Scotland.

Nothing we do will cause them to take a less biased and more balanced position. Quite the opposite IMO, as Indy becomes more and more inevitable they will become more demented.

This I think is the important aspect … the greater the number of Scots who see through their antics, the less effective they become. Folks can’t un-see the reality once they’ve opened their eyes.

And that number of enlightened Scots will be increased by continually calling out, challenging via complaints, online articles, whatever …. hammer the ba5tards at every available opportunity and means.

A tipping point is coming, very soon, when Indy becomes the clear will of the people. Those denying and opposing this will be seen as meddling, undermining, and anti democratic.

OT… Jeremy Hunt warning China to respect the deal it made over Hong Kong.

Meanwhile, the UK charging ahead with plans for a No Deal Brexit which will provoked the Irish Backstop and undermine the deal the UK made to secure the Good Friday Peace Agreement.

On PMQ today, May opened by congratulating the ‘Loinesses’, aand Corbyn added his own congratulations, and added that he hoped the England cricket team would lso inspire (‘the nation’, presumably?) before he gave the latest cricket score:’ England 135 for 1, whatever that means, to cheers from the benches.
These Anglos have gone completely mad.
England burns, and they break out the Pimms and cucumber sandwiches.
Someone above mentioned almost reaching ‘the tipping point’.
I’d argue that we are away past any point of return.
As Tavish Scott observed on Saturday in his best Charles Dance purr, ‘There is no turning back’.
Old Liz Saxe-Coburg/Windsor/ Battenberg looked well pissed off.

Anybody on here willing to put up with the English Parliament from now on in?
Thought not.
It’s all about to get very nasty very soon now.

Dr Jim says

Let’s just see if that means Alistair Carmichael will now actually support Independence

I bet he won’t

I live in hope that we reach a point where lots of BritNats do accept (even just privately) that the inevitable is imminent and there is no point in flogging a dead horse. Their UK union has no future. Life is short for everyone and many might (I hope) conclude that they need to just move on and think about life after Indy.

Just giving up and going home on the eve of the final battle, you might say. Fighting on, driven by ideological purity, with no hope of winning is a far left trait – I’m guessing a lot of BritNats are more pragmatic.

We are starting to hear ‘defeatist talk’ … a good sign.

O/T – but you won’t see this on the BBC.

It’s very well made with a steady time-line and leaves you with a feeling of might have been had we still been independent.

It’s under represented with only 4000 views.

link to youtube.com

“This film looks at some of the key events in the evolution of landownership in Scotland from the earliest times, to today’s land reform agenda. How was land controlled in Scotland’s early communities? How did the Roman presence and the development of early states like Pictland, Dalriata and Alba affect control of the land? What was the impact of feudalism and what were the effects of the highland clearances?”

Britain really is a throwback in time but I’m not sure if the current administration is simply criminally incompetent, or have been overpowered internally by dedicated fascists (see the full-English Brexit). Whatever, the BBC will always have the government’s back and would never question the overarching neo-liberal paradigm of narrow political interests and the nationalisation of private risk (see banking bailout).

6.1.2 Government and Accountability Lecture

I. The Executive and Public Law Powers

The rule of law requires that all be subject to the law, even the government or executive. The authority of the executive comes from Parliamentary legislation and the Crown’s Royal Prerogative and common law powers. Most legislative proposals come from the government to permit it to act in line with its policy objectives. The government is required to obtain a majority of the House of Commons (and Lords) to support a bill. Parliament is supreme and thus can prevent the government introducing legislation. Royal prerogative powers are residual and thus cannot be extended by the Crown.

The executive is comprised, not just of the political executive (or government), but also includes civil servants; the government can also confer public law powers on other bodies to carry out public functions. Public functions, since the 1980’s, have also been contracted out to private contractors. There is now a web of executive agencies that exercise powers on behalf of the government.

Next Step agencies are also charged with putting public policy initiatives into practice; this proliferation of public functions within the private sector makes Parliamentary scrutiny of executive functions even more difficult. There have been recent Parliamentary reforms in order to adapt to this change in public functions….

link to lawteacher.net

Surprised the ebc haven’t blamed the abolition of the free TV licence fee on the Scots who sponge of England, and refuse to pay their TV licence. Therefore forcing poor English pensioners into having to subsidise those scrounging jocks. Watch this space.

Mogabee, I’d tape that for perpetuity to have a right good bellylaugh whenever I needed cheering up.

Twathater 4.02pm. Your post says it all, the British public are truly mushrooms.

Hmm just a wee thing, but are they suggesting the interview and topic was merely about the financial aspect of the case? Because I seem to recall the phrase ‘on all points of law”
Forgive me if I’m too lazy and repulsed, to dig that up and find out if the phrase was relating to purely the financial aspect ie : on all points (of law) relating to financial damages – or whether (as I inferred) it meant ‘on all points of the case in its entirety.

I think they are dissembling on semantics.

link to bellacaledonia.org.uk

When you think about it this is related to the post topic though not directly perhaps.

O/t Jeremy hunt tweeted today message to Chinese government: good relations between countries are based on mutual respect and honouring the legally binding agreements between them: This is the best way to preserve the great relationship between the UK and China. Aye nobody does hypocrisy with a lying straight face like the Brits.

galamcennalath @ 19:40,

Yes, if you’re a fairly thoughtful Scottish unionist – if there are any! – you might well be anticipating (what for them is) the worst. (Hence no doubt for the suppression of that recent poll for the UKGov, which incidentally is fact-finding, evidence-taking, not “advice”.)

Surprising maybe it was Carmichael of all people to break ranks, but in face of the mounting evidence over Brexit, someone was surely going to do it.

In the video that msdidi kindly unearthed for us in the previous thread @ 00:53:

link to facebook.com

it seems that Guy Verhofstadt has now given up on “England+Wales” being saved from Brexit, but he studiously omitted any reference to Scotland. That’s about as close to the diplomatic edge as anyone can get. So the message is now finally getting through to people, including those in the Unionist camp. Presumably not all are prepared to casually sacrifice Scotland to deluded toff-led English Nationalism.

Much smarter though than merely giving up would be for some big-name Unionist to publicly switch sides. That would get peoples’ attention and earn them a (tardy) place on the right side of history. Might even save their party from the scrapheap. That’s the kind of thing that happens when the tipping point is reached.

But is there anyone on the BritNat side with that kind of foresight and courage…?

Robert J. Sutherland

Guy Verhofstadt

WOW, he says “PM of UK” and then says, “or should I say PM of England and Wales”.

That is brilliant. If others in the EU have the same attitudes then Scotland has some friends in high places.

As for influential BritNats ‘crossing the floor’ and changing to YES … it’s bound to happen. Someone in Labour is the best candidate, IMO.

It’ll be interesting to see what the *Scottish* press have to say tomorrow post Theresa May and her numpties visit to somewhere in deepest darkest Scotland

That says it all really doesn’t it she’s going to come to Scotland surround herself with hand picked press then tell like it is in a secret location just in case us mad *Jocks* seek her out and destroy her or maybe just do a normal protest at her existence and damn cheek so the Brits can show it on news at ten on all platforms to make it look like a legitimate thing, I mean they don’t really have to come here to do that, they could fake it like the Moon landings (joke) who’d know or even care

I hope the FM spits her out like the tasteless gum she is

That poll on Independence the government have refused to release the results of after a FOI request from Tommy Shepherd must have been an absolute peach for our side.

No one could miss the panic in recent days, ranging from more and more talk of “Federalism” for the UK and all to be topped off by Theresa May’s visit to some hut in Scotland tomorrow.

Apparently she is here to tell the natives:

“The job of prime minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland brings with it privileges and responsibilities which you only really feel once the black door closes behind you. One of the first and greatest is the duty you owe to strengthen the Union,” she will say.

“To govern on behalf of the whole United Kingdom. To respect the identities of every citizen of the UK – English and Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish. And to ensure that we can go on facing the future together, overcoming obstacles together, and achieving more together than we ever could apart – a Union of nations and people.”

link to irishtimes.com

In other news the most recent poll by Yougov on Westminster voting intentions puts Labour in 4th place on just 18%, The Tories lead on 24%, Brexit Party 23% and Lib Dem 20%.

link to twitter.com

That can only mean one thing surely if there’s any brains left in the Labour party and that is Corbyn is toast. I don’t think the membership have any other choice than to replace him as leader if they are to have any hope at all of gaining power.

I couldn’t care less, such disarray all looks good for Independence.

If the Brexit MEPs actually talk out of their arses then it’s quite logical that they should stand with their backs to the EU Parly Forum.

Bit smelly though…..! 😉

Thepnr @ 10.52
‘re ” that poll ”
Over on the Revs Twitter someone called cybernat nell tweets about home schooling…
Well a wee bit down her feed there’s a tweet from “name the day ” saying that it’s all over what’s app that the poll shows Indy at 57%……
Probably just a rumour amplified by the jungle drums but even so the fact that it’s a believable number because of the underlying panic,certainly has a feel good factor!
While I hope it’s actually true,I’ll still Take the bounce from the gossip at the moment 🙂

Don’t know about you but over the past few weeks I have been in a state of increasing nervous tension over what lies ahead.

Every waking minute the feeling grows stronger that Scotland is approaching her do or die moment beyond which lies either desolation or the joy of a just victory.

The omens have never been more propitious or the stakes higher.
But those who bask in the complacent assumption that the union is reaching its end should beware because the British state will deploy every weapon at its disposal to avoid its extinction.

The import of what could be about to happen cannot be overstated.

Scotland free to take her place in the international community? To agitate for peace, not war? To have our own voice in Europe again after so many lost years and centuries?
To use or conserve our resources as we see fit?

The UK special defence team will use every trick in the book to prevent that happening.

Some folk are still whining that IndyRef2 has not yet been called. Well sorry, but the campaign has already started. What do you think Theresa May’s foray into the troublesome Northern Territory is all about? Or the referendum bill going through the Scottish Parliament?

Somewhere, some time ago we passed the point of no return. Ian Blackford’s repeated refrain of ‘Scotland will not be dragged out of the EU against our will’ should have been a clue.

Three years ago, a week after the EU referendum, a worried Slovakian workmate asked me ‘what happens now?’ I replied ‘Scotland will stay in the EU because that’s what we voted for.’

”You promise?’ ‘Yes.’

So get out there and convince, persuade and encourage workmates and acquaintances, friends and family, anyone with an open mind and a preparedness to listen, to vote YES.

Europe will be our backstop – and we will need her.

Don’t know about you but over the past few weeks I have been in a state of increasing nervous tension over what lies ahead.

Every waking minute the feeling grows stronger that Scotland is approaching her do or die moment beyond which lies either desolation or the joy of a just victory.

The omens have never been more propitious or the stakes higher.
But those who bask in the complacent assumption that the union is reaching its end should beware because the British state will deploy every weapon at its disposal to avoid its extinction.

The import of what could be about to happen cannot be overstated.

Scotland free to take her place in the international community? To agitate for peace, not war? To have our own voice in Europe again after so many lost years and centuries?
To use or conserve our resources as we see fit?

The UK special defence team will use every trick in the book to prevent that happening.

Some folk are still whining that IndyRef2 has not yet been called. Well sorry, but the campaign has already started. What do you think Theresa May’s foray into the troublesome Northern Territory is all about? Or the referendum bill going through the Scottish Parliament?

Somewhere, some time ago we passed the point of no return. Ian Blackford’s repeated refrain of ‘Scotland will not be dragged out of the EU against our will’ should have been a clue.

Three years ago, a week after the EU referendum, a worried Slovakian workmate asked me ‘what happens now?’ I replied ‘Scotland will stay in the EU because that’s what we voted for.’

”You promise?’ ‘Yes.’

So get out there and convince, persuade and encourage workmates and acquaintances, friends and family, anyone with an open mind and a preparedness to listen, to vote YES.

Europe will be our backstop – and we will need her.

@Heart of Galloway – Well said, my friend. Here we stand. We can do no other

O/T I went on to Scotrail website earlier to book tickets for my wife and I to attend the Ayr AUOB march , we usually go by car or bus to some marches but as we are traveling from Paisley it doesn’t make sense to go into Glasgow to come all the way back

Anyway having signed up to Scotrail I then went on to book return tickets , as my wife and I both are retired and hold SG NEC cards I naturally looked for the box to input our NEC numbers for discount travel but couldn’t see it anywhere on the checkout page , there are numerous discount cards from all over the uk that you can click on in the dropdown box but no sign of a SG NEC link

I then phoned Scotrail customer services to ask where in the dropdown box was the link to input the SG NEC card number , the male at the other end said that he could look for it but he knew it wasn’t there , I asked are you telling me that a franchise that is listed as Scotrail has numerous links for all sorts of discount rail cards from all over the uk and the wider world DOESN’T have the SG’s NEC card listed , he gave me the phone number to the website department but unfortunately it just rang out

Can someone please tell me that this is not true and I was making a cod of finding it

The BBC are SOOOoo yesterday

And NOW a word from our sponsors 🙂

link to youtube.com

Had a wee read last night at an article highlighting just exactly who the Brexit Party candidates were that stood for election recently. The list of candidates, their backgrounds and beliefs truly are mind boggling.

“From gay conversion therapy advocates to supporters of paedophilia legalisation, from climate change deniers to rampant tax avoiders, from NHS abolitionists to besties of neo-Nazis, from fracking supporters to unabashed profiteers of chaos…”.

That none of the MSM, not the BBC, ch4 ITV or the newspapers have seen it fit to publicise these egotistical, self serving maniacs beliefs and background beggars belief.

link to medium.com

@twathater

Wife just checked, nope definitely not there. The listings themselves don’t seem to be exactly user friendly.

The BBC licence fee raises £3.7Billion. The BBC spends/raises £5Billion in revenues. Much goes to keep up the property estate. A self building empire. An excess enough to help eradicate poverty. The BBC commentators tax evade. The reporters reporting on tax evasion. Sky commentator landlord influenced a discussion on rogue landlord by claiming that tenants were unable to change a light bulb.

Hunt is a landlord with dubious property deals.

May must be visiting the Burnett Estate again. Alexander Burnett. The Tory MSP charged with trying to influence Gov policies of self interest. The richest family on Deeside of vast estate. The Queen’s neighbour and relative, He came fourth in the electoral status but on the list system gained a seat. An incompetent electoral system the voters do not understand. Introduced by Deans to favour unionist candidates. PR 2000

The thing that surprises me is that it took the obvious lies during the referendum for a lot of people to realise just how dishonest the bbc are. They are part of the intelligence/propaganda aparatus of a corrupt state. Thats all anyone needs to know

There have been mixed changing facilities in swimming pools/health clubs for years.with absolutely little problems. No one is getting attacked or people wandering around with their genitals exposed.
Everyone is accommodated. Separate cubicles. There are cubicles for families and friends, it means families, Friends can change together, They do not have to separate to change. Children of different sex from their parents do not need to have separate changing facilities. Causing access to facilities problems. Mixed changing facilities reduce threat of attack with separate changing rooms. There are men and women who could apprehend a transgressor. There are adequate staff (by Law) to monitor proceeding. Cameras all over the entrance/exit facilities.

Mixed changing facilities mean there is less likelihood of attack. Everything is open to scrutiny. All open with less access for attack. Any complaint or visual or vocal would soon be address. Any attacker apprehended. Females can be just as safe in mixed changing facilities as in conventional. It helps mothers/parents who want to use the facilities with different sex children.

Young people are often not ashamed of their bodies. Just treat it as a pound of flesh. With changing attitudes to body parts exposure. No so prudish as their elders. Changing attitudes. Mixed changing facilities are just not a problem. It is people who do not use them that are always complaining. They are ignorant of the facilities. There has always been mixed sex doctors. That is not a problem. There is a standard code of ethic. That must be followed. Or they lose their status. It happens very infrequently statistically.

People are more likely to be accidentally injured in a toilet than attacked. 10,000?

Self ID is possible without any problems if handled sympathetically.

It is still the case that most attacks on people (murders) happen in the home or are between people who are known to each other. Not strangers. Men are four times more likely to be attacked violently by other men. It is a gender issue. It is mainly men that attack others.

@Republicofscotland says: 3 July, 2019 at 5:38 pm:

” … It must surely be high on the agenda to reform the BBC in Scotland (new name required) after indy. Me I’d shut the f#cking thing down,and deny them a Scottish broadcasting licence.”

Thing is, Republicofscotland, the people of Scotland have paid for them and the studios, transmitters and aerials so we take them over. We have paid the piper we will call the tune.

Another thing is that broadcast signals do not respect political borders and the BBC North of England also transmits to south of the border, N.I. and Isle of Man so bits of Scotland will receive BBC England and bits England will get the post independence Scottish Services.

What becomes of the current BBC Scotland staff will be up to us. After all the engineers are not the problem – those before the microphones and cameras and their bosses are the problem.

We were only following orders is not a defence in law.

Ken500@8.35am

Two weeks after the matter was put to rest I see you’re still really, really not getting it.
Why, for example, do we all check our front door is locked before we go to bed? The chances of anybody coming in are infinitesimally small according to the statistics but we feel safe and sleep better for it.
Safe spaces for women are where THEY feel safe. Not where somebody else tells them that they should feel safe. Massive difference.

@galamcennalath says:3 July, 2019 at 10:45 pm:

” … Early TV. Takes me back. My first experience was going round to my father’s friend who had just got a new TV (everyone rented) because STV was being launched. We watched the launch which wiki tells me was 31 August 1957. We got our first TV about 1960.”

The first actual transmission was BBC only in 1952. BBC were still testing transmissions from Kirk o Shots in that year and transmitted the late king’s funeral. The first TVs were 8″, 10″ or 12″ screens and BBC only.

There was no rental TVs at that point. By 1956 I finished my apprenticeship as did my then best friend. I decided to remain in MOD service but my pal got a job with the BBC who had just opened up a new studio just close to Park Head Cross in Glasgow. At weekends I was usually in the BBC Glasgow Studio as this was the big day for BBC Scotland. The service was the Children’s programme at lunchtime from the network so no need for BBC Scotland input.

Then nothing more until tea time when there was a Scottish news insert into the network news from the Glasgow Studio when my pal was on duty. Then nothing more until the Sports report after the fitba finished.

Later came the White Heather Club but everything else was the BBC network. So my pal and I were free most of Saturdays to go to a football match and later to the dancing before an early morning return home to Edinburgh.

So there you have it in 1957/8 the BBC Scotland’s entire output was Lunchtime Children’s Hour, and a news insert at tea time except on Saturdays when we got the Sports results and the White Heather Club.

Ha! Tablet … Clegg

WGD:- ‘Theresa’s red white and blutack.’

….”Theresa’s review is going to be led by Andrew Dunlop, who as an advisor in the government of Margaret Thatcher was one of those responsible for the poll tax. So that inspires confidence. We’re told that the review is going to confine itself to looking at UK Government departments, but if you believe that you probably also believe that the poll tax was a good idea. We’re looking at you, Andrew.”

link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com

…………………………

I hope Robert Harrison won’t mind me reposting his comments. From WGD comments section:-

Robert Harrison says July 3, 2019 at 3:55 pm

”Heres some more of those said cracks showing in independence polling

Evening times march 14th 2019 Yes 86% no 14%

Progress Scotland march 28th 2019 yes 63% no 37%

Bloomberg April 23rd 2019 yes 66% no 33%

Scotland in union April 25th 2019 yes 68% no 32%

Scotsman April 26th 2019 yes 65% no 35%

Evening telegraph may 30th 2019 yes 75% no 25%

Conservative party sacrifice Scotland poll June 18th 2019
Yes 63% no 37%

Panelbase June 24th yes 53% no 47%

Is it any wonder when all these polls by mainly the British nationalists are showing independence in the lead over and over this year they hide the latest ipso mori poll because this is no surprise one little bit to me at all.

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WGD’s response to Robert Harrison’s post:

”Some of those are “voodoo polls” – for example the Telegraph, Scotsman, and Evening Times polls. They are not based on a representative sample of the population, and are self-selecting. Such polls don’t really give a true indication of what the balance of opinion is in the country as a whole. They’re about as accurate as the horoscopes that appear in the same papers.”

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‘The redcoats are coming! They’re wearing grey suits!’

link to peterabell.blog

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Andrew Dunlop. Looks as though someone has been on WIKi and removed some crucial facts!

link to en.wikipedia.org

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I’m really missing Nana and I’m sure that many who visit this site do too. Her contributions to this site were absolutely invaluable. To lose her at such a crucial time in our history, especially after working her butt off on here for years, is just diabolical, imo. Any chance of you holding out the olive branch Stu to entice her back on here? Whatever the case I hope that all is well with you and yours Nana X

jfngw

Bollox.

Mhairi Black is reading out some of the offensive texts and tweets she received. That is not what I would consider ‘communications’.

@Elmac says: 4 July, 2019 at 12:47 am:
… Pay me a “visit” and make my day punks.£

You may wait a very long time, Elmac. After my wife died I no longer had any need for a TV Licence so I never again renewed the licence. I also had no intention of engaging with the BBC, or their agents, in any way. My wife died in 2001.

To date I now get a monthly threatening letter from, “BBC Licencing”, who are a private company with absolutely no legal powers whatsoever. These letters are getting increasingly threatening and have long been promising to send, “Officers”, (at any time of the day or evening), to investigate if I watch live TV.

Yet to date, in spite of being housebound most of that time), no one has called to investigate. I did once get a card shoved through my letter box informing me that an investigator had called. Now at that time I was housebound but in daytime hours I sat within 3 feet of a large opening window outside of which are the 3 steps before my main door.

I was a bit slow in my movements at that time but rose and opened the window but there was no one there and no one to be seen either on my property nor in sight on the road outside. The caller obviously had made a very swift get away in a vehicle. Since then only a monthly threatening letter carrying the threat of a search warrant being obtained and threatening not only a £1000 fine but costs and a payback of what I owed the BBC since I had not renewed a TV Licence.

Be prepared for a very long wait but many, many threatening letters. I have enough of these letters to ask the Local Police to investigate these people who are stalking me, threatening me and committing the crime of coercion. Which, in Scotland specifically states that it is a crime to attempt to gain in any way, including money, with threats of legal action.

Essexexile / Breeks ….”Bringing back Foxhunting”

It probably is part of their heritage.

‘The Psychology of Animal Torture – Why would anyone want to deliberately inflict pain on animals?’

link to psychologytoday.com

O/T
The arch unionist Dr Marsh of Aberdeenshire in the letter page of the Tory P&J is at it again not in so many words but we in Scotland are subsidy junkies who would never manage on our own.
I think he should be doing an assessment on how England will manage on its own after we have left no one seems to do that.

Dorothy Devine says:

quite wonderful that Mrs May has decided to come to Scotland on INDEPENDENCE DAY

Aye, because she won’t be getting an invitation to OUR independence celebrations 🙂

Fundraiser for the Emergency Kitten health care for anyone who would like to contribute:
link to gofundme.com

@brian lucey says: 4 July, 2019 at 8:47 am:

” … Have asked before and ask now. What’s Plan B if/when WM denies a referendum?”

The First Minister has answered that question as has Ian Blackford.

“There will be a referendum”, it could not be made clearer. It was also made clear that a section 30 Order would be requested and would be preferable but failing it being agreed, (Section 30 orders are not given they are agreed).

No one needs permission to hold a referendum but referendums are normally, “advisory”, unless agreed beforehand. The Brexit Referendum was NOT agreed beforehand but is being treated by Westminster as if it was.

So your question has been answered – why did you not know that?

The SNP have said it loudly and clearly, “Scotland will not be dragged out of the EU against the will of the Scottish People”. Go look at Hansard. It has been said enough times in the Westminster debating chamber and is recorded in Hansard.

There will be another independence referendum and the utter panic that Westminster is showing just now, (and their refusal to publish the report of their own survey), tells the story plainly.

A majority of the legally sovereign people of Scotland are now demanding independence but, “they do not want you to know that”.

“It’s comin yet fir aa that.”

The UK goevernment has already agreed to Scotland having a referendum when ever it chooses

Smith Commission 27 Nov 2014

Paragraph 18: It is agreed

Woops don’t know how that happened, sorry

‘Hard truth: the SNP are a trainwreck at the moment. If we let them, they’re going to blow the best chance of independence we’ll ever have.’

Rev tweeted that approx 15mins ago.

Well?

Is he right?

@ Ian Brotherhood – As a member, I say no he’s not right. The Trans issue is certainly causing major upset – predictably – and apparently Kirsty Blackman didn’t annihilate some numpty on Sky News. But independence is rumoured to be now approx 60% YES.

Keep calm and carry on IMO.

Ian Brotherhead, never known the Rev to be wrong yet. Despite what auld Bob will post in defence, Sturgeon is proving innefective in controlling some of her Female Elected members who seem intent on destroying the chances of the demographic we need most Women over 55 coming onside. Latest comments by Mhairi Black case in point when it looks like her priority is allowing a couple of hundred transvestites access to Woman Only Areas such as Toilets rather than the big picture. Whilst Sturgeon may be a very good Peacetime FM what we need now is somebody like Joanna Cherry with a bit of fire in her belly. Sadly it aint going to happen possibily either is Independence with the current SNP Leadership. I will be thinking long and hard when my membership is due for renewal.

Ian Brotherhood says:
4 July, 2019 at 12:23 pm

‘Hard truth: the SNP are a trainwreck at the moment. If we let them, they’re going to blow the best chance of independence we’ll ever have.’ (From Stuart on Twitter).

I certainly hope they don’t blow this chance; it’s our best and, possibly, our only chance to free ourselves from Westminster rule.

The party is coming across as toothless. They let opponents away with just about every lie they spout. The Rebuttal Unit was dire and was never updated. Laughable.

I’m hearing more and more people are giving up their membership.

Women’s support is certainly being lost as many are pissed off at the GRA debacle – that fire has just been fuelled by M Black’s video.

There seems to be a complete lack of fighting spirit lately just when we need it. Alex wouldn’t have taken it.

Lenny Hartley @ 12:45,

Ach, if this is all about the self-ID thing again, I despair. I thought Shirley-Ann Sommerville had responded masterfully to that issue and parked it for due reconsideration, so the SG are clearly aware of the pitfalls. It would be a great pity then if anyone in the SNP is still banging on about it in public. That would be putting personal issues before the Main Goal.

That’s the difficulty. We support the SNP for that one big reason, and don’t necessarily sign up to everything that everyone in the party believes in. It is indeed the proverbial “broad church”. I could see a time post-indy when the SNP might slough off some of its more radical elements.

But that’s for then. We need to stay united until we achieve that one thing which makes everything else possible. And that does require a modicum (or more!) of self-discipline and good sense.

Independence will happen when the people, whatever their reasons decide, it won’t happen by people shouting emotional opinions at each other as to how it should be done

If the support is there then the SNP can only lose it,
that would be the time to shout and not vote for them

It’s crazy for some to suggest the SNP don’t want Independence, what good would that do them, nobody would vote for them again and that’s sort of not what politicking is all about

On the other hand the Yoons are screeching the SNP want to impoverish Scotland by being Independent, again I say what would be the point of that, once again if they did that nobody would vote for them again and that would defeat the point of doing it

The section 30 order will be demanded soon enough and the UK knows it cannot refuse or it’s see you in court because they’ve already agreed in their own documents (The Smith Commission) that they have to, because no matter how much they bleat about their one nation the fact is the UK is not one nation and their own Lord Advocate admits it

There is no law that can keep Scotland within the Union should it choose to dissolve and divest itself of its relationship in that Union

The UK is as much Scotlands Union as it is Englands

galamcennalath @ 13:09,

I have had much respect for Jeanne Freeman right from the first time I saw her speak at an early indy meeting when she was still in Women for Indy. She is both clear-headed and inspirational. I think she would be a great call for taking over Blair Jenkins’ mantle at the front of the coming IR2 campaign.

Today seems to be “batshit crazy Unionist” day, with both TM soon to be ex-PM and Jo Swinson pronouncing on “the union”. I’ll be damned if I’m going to give the Scotman my email address so that they can send me rubbish every second day, so does anyone have an archive link to the following:

link to scotsman.com

Based on the headline alone, my reply to Ms Swinson would be that she should indeed be preparing for “a revolution”, but it will be entirely democratic and result in an independent Scotland, delivered through the ballot box.

Secondly, the fly-in-fly-out visit of TMPM to Stirling to announce the review of devolution. Although it was flagged up extensively over the last two day, the web seems to have gone strangely quiet on the delivery and/or text of her speech. (Given her oratory skills, some would say that is a good thing!)

But if someone could post an archive or a link to “the chosen one’s” latest musings, that would be excellent.

Many thanks to all of the Wingers. D

@ David P – archive link:
link to archive.fo

According to the Scottish Govt website, The Citizens’ Assembly is planned to run from “late Autumn to Spring 2020”.

It might be pedantic but, seasons don’t start with capital letters, is that an example of lack of attention to detail?

Will the SNP still be trying to sweet talk hard line Unionists into participating, whilst the UK Govt is dragging Scotland out of the EU, and tightening the noose on Scottish democracy?

Wings and the wider YES movement are an inspiration. They are already campaigning and gearing up for the main campaign for Scotland’s democratic freedom.

As for the SNP, I’ll let people decide for themselves. I’m not going to comment on the SNP. I don’t have a clue what they are doing with regard to independence, apart from this:

On 25 June 2019 the DELEGATED POWERS AND LAW REFORM COMMITTEE discussed “the Referendums (Scotland) Bill (in private): The Committee considered its approach to the delegated powers provisions in this Bill at Stage 1 and agreed to; write to the Scottish Government; invite the Cabinet Secretary for Government Business and the Constitution to give evidence at a future meeting; and issue a targeted call for written evidence”.

link to parliament.scot

ScotsRenewables says:
4 July, 2019 at 10:29 am
What happened to Nana ??
She had a fallout with the rev after he used the hamnmers on her for not following posting instructions, thnk she was repeating some stuff that wordpress put into moderation.
They had a bit of a spat and she said she was offski and not coming back.
Shame like most miss her links.

Dear SNP,

We voted you into office to gain our restoration of Scottish independence. Can you please, effing well focus on that one thing, instead of all the other nonsense – like all this gender p*sh.. Or to paraphrase the advice given to Bill Clinton during his election campaign, ‘It’s about independence, stupid’.

Oh, and by the way, when you get a chance to speak on a national broadcaster, in the name of god, will you please stop putting up political lightweights who simply DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS, OR FOR THAT MATTER HOW TO HANDLE POLITICAL OPPONENTS. I mean honestly, for heavens sake. People have been telling you this over and over and over again, for years.

1.31pm – Many thanks to Capella.

Let’s see what Ms. Swinson has to say for herself…

@Robert Louis says: 4 July, 2019 at 1:55 pm:

” … Dear SNP,
We voted you into office to gain our restoration of Scottish independence.” …

Ah kin speak weel enuch fir masel an whan onyane starts tae speak fir me withoot my consnt Ah dinna read ony further.

Robert Louis 1:55 & Tatu3 1:58

Spot on and also what a lot of people are saying including members of our local SNP branch.

@Footsoldier says: 4 July, 2019 at 2:02 pm:

” … At the 2014 referendum, as voting day approached – I waited and waited for the doors to be opened and Mons Meg brought out but it never happened.”

Perhaps just as well Mons Meg never got dragged out again. Last time they tried that to celebrate something the damned thing burst its barrel:-

“Mons Meg was once seen as cutting edge military technology. Given to King James II in 1457, the six-tonne siege gun could fire a 150kg gunstone for up to 3.2km (2 miles). She is named after the Belgian town where she was made.

In 1460, James II had Mons Meg hauled 80km (50 miles) to the siege of Roxburgh Castle. This was no small task: even a team of oxen couldn’t move her more than 5km (3 miles) a day. But the unlucky king was killed there when another of his cannons exploded.

King James IV put Mons Meg back in action, first to attack Dumbarton Castle and then Norham Castle. She ended her fighting days in King James V’s navy, retiring around 1550.

When Mary Queen of Scots married in 1558, Mons Meg fired a gunstone over the city in celebration: it landed in what is now the Royal Botanic Garden. Her barrel finally burst in 1681.

After 75 years in England, Mons Meg made a glorious return to the castle in 1829. Cavalry and infantry escorted her from Leith Docks to Castle Rock.

Mons Meg sits outside St Margaret’s Chapel, just beyond the Whisky and Finest Food Shop.”

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I live in a street of around 50 or so pensioners, they’ve never even heard of gender issues because they don’t care, and truthfully the mass majority of people don’t care except the people involved who are flooding the Internet daily because they want their particular issue noticed, but the only ones noticing are themselves and some *journalists* who are attempting to make it a detrimental governmental issue, but it won’t work because not enough people are affected by it and like all tiny minority causes it will fade because everybody prioritises their own problems first

It’s all down to percentages, the old the sick and the poor will always be the main issues, everything else is just a bit of noise for a fortnight and it won’t affect the SNP just like it won’t affect any other political party

Truth be told the SNP has a pretty good record on equalities for people but there keeps being more people demanding more different labels for more different equalities and political parties can’t keep up with it let alone keep pandering to daily demands for addendums and amendments and ajustments on stuff the majority have never even heard of, and if they do start hearing too much of it might start demanding more equalities for themselves because they’ll feel everybody else is being paid more attention to than them

The SNP as far as I know never promised everybody a Utopian land of milk and honey where the sun shines all the time and some things don’t go wrong, because they can’t, nobody can, but there is a difference with the SNP from all other political parties

They’re trying to do stuff, the rest of them couldn’t give a monkeys, isn’t that why we want Independence so we have the powers and the freedom to not only try, but do

Thank you for sharing your views about the future of TV licences for the over 75s. We fully understand there are strong opinions because this was a difficult decision.

Since others have also contacted us making similar points, we are sending this reply to everyone to explain the position in detail. More information is also available at link to bbc.co.uk.

Far to much in the rest of the reply just the usual BBC crap.

Truth is, no one gives a shit about trans anything, its less than a 1% issue.

less than 10% give a shit about LGB, so why care.

Sooner everyone stops talking about it the better.
or take ithead on and declare self ID as a mental illness

@Petra –

I understand what you, Robert Peffers and others are saying. Hold the line, have faith etc.

Likewise, I can see where Lenny and a host of other regulars are coming from when they voice serious concerns.

None of us possess perfect knowledge of what’s happening in public let along behind the scenes, but if it’s reached the stage where Stuart Campbell is calling the SNP ‘a train wreck’ on Twitter, woe betide us if we don’t pay attention.

How long before we have Britnats on TV saying things like
“The SNP, and Indy, are dead – even the main online Indy site owner now says the SNP are a trainwreck”.

I despair for Scotland – are we really the best losers in the world??

@Footsoldier says: 4 July, 2019 at 2:06 pm:

” … Spot on and also what a lot of people are saying including members of our local SNP branch.”

And what makes you think that perfidious Albion doesn’t have the brains to infiltrate local branches to do exactly what you do here on Wings, Footsoldier?