An unexpected development
Posted on
November 27, 2023 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Apparently I’ve removed myself as the head of me for misbehaviour.
These are zany times in the independence movement, readers. Hold on.
Because we too wonder where she’ll end up:
But we’re pretty sure it won’t be as President of the EU.
Is “celtchar” really Michael Kelly in disguise? LOL!
That post stinks of “Labour Celts” against indy.
With a Biot of luck it will be Cornton Vale.
Celtchar says you have “Behavioural issues”. A quick glance at Celtchars bile clearly demonstrates Celtchar has serious issues with the English language. Maybe he/she’s still attending primary school?
Good grief
There are deranged people and seriously deranged people around
This creature is beyond seriously deranged
It’ll never happen, of course, but heading-up that crowd of largely unelected ‘yes’folk of the US State Department, wouldn’t necessarily be beyond Sturgeon. It’s a pity she’s a loyal-Brit and not an EU citizen.
The Times article with KC Sheriff Kevin Drummond raising concerns is VERY good news.
Reading between the lines it appears members of the legal fraternity are getting ready to start fighting back re the corruption.
In a discrete and entirely professional manner of course.
Ursula von der Leyen has declared herself Empress of Europe and Sturgeon is already (mentally) operating out of her very own Führer bunker.
Stranger things have happened.
The person who had one fcking job, in eight years, on a momentous wave of support is going to be the head of the European Union, the same union she dragged us out against our will despite armed to the teeth with every opportunity to at least barter a deal.
Aye, okay.
She didn’t even attempt it. She folded like a cheap suit because she doesn’t have the smarts.
Oh dearie me, on reading those Celtchar posts my first thought was, “So, this is where ‘Care in the Community’ has led us.
“Jealous of the SNP”, well, that’s the first time I’ve faced that accusation.
Looks like the britnats/yoons on WOS have taken on an apprentice with untold aspirations… 🙂
Are you sure this Celtchar has no sense of humour? It’s hard to imagine they’re serious; or is it?
Celtchar is a Belter!
Never could understand Celtic supporters having a great affinity with the Irish Republic and their battle to free their country and even now their support to free Palestine.
Why on earth can it then be good for Scotland to be controlled, suppressed and robbed by the aggressor next door.
I, for one, think she should replace von der Lying. That no-fly zone would have us independent before Christmas.
Celtchar does seem to be marketing something, beyond portraying itself as victim. I wonder what’s spurring the torrent of posts? Maybe the next Druids for Independence meeting is coming up and it’s angling for a seat on some committee.
Makes me wonder who you will choose to replace yourself with?
I expect at least a public poll on the matter.
They hate you Rev because you tell the truth about them. And the truth under Sturgeon and now Useless is verboten
Nikki should be made head of NATO – so she can bomb the fuck out of all these vile transphobes and racists across the planet – any cunt anywhere who refuses a rainbow parade gets white-phosphorussed-to-fuck, and Patrick Harvie can straddle (ooh er) the bomb like Slim Pickens in StrangeLove – Yee Haw! – and Haysi Fantayzee playing all the way down …
The Rev HAS been replaced – the fake rev was replaced in 2019 after his untimely demise at the paws of an escaped grizzly on one of his famous bear patrols.
“FEV” as he is known to insiders, has been with us since then.
If you transcribe the first post on the day after his death, put it through a speech synthesiser and play it backwards at half speed, it clearly says “WE BURIED STUART” – the quality becomes better if you augment the signal to noise ratio via the intake of buckfast and diazepam.
I take it the 108 views on the first one have been made by folk sniggering at the inept and inaccurate.
Which idiot said ‘ignorance is bliss’?
108 views of the first one – jings!
I have to believe that is an AI word generator in a Russian troll farm, because there’s nothing in either of these posts that make sense, politically or grammatically.
Not least the idea that a non-EU citizen could head the EU. And all Scots are non-EU citizens thanks to her.
Not getting upset or even a rant from me re Nikki whatsit.
Life I know will sort her out now .
But more worrying Stu who and how will you replace yourself.
The possibilities from here mmmm?
I’m rather hoping that the SNP voted is roughly halved at the next few sets of elections, and by the look of it, there’s still quite a few people who’ll vote SNP because they haven’t actually put any thought into things.
Not wiped out entirely in favour of Alba or the ISP. No, halved as an overall %, because under WM FPTP and HR d’Hondt voting mechanisms, that’s good for the union.
BBC in Scotland Text Service reporting that Police Scotland are saying a body was found in a graveyard in Dundee City centre (at The Howff, Meadowside). They don’t state whether it’s Male or Female. And it was found at around 09:20 am this morning.
Effigy 2:38pm
I’ll never understand it either.
A fcking sea of carrier bags & a car park full of foodbank donations thanks to unionist policies.
I can only speak for a few that I know & it’s cause they deeply despise Sturgeon & her band of misfits who **will never have the bottle to call it**
They were right & abandoned the SNP ship in 2017 & never went back. They’re currently politically homeless because everything the said would happen has happened. The SNP have zero intentions of facing off against the Union & Dumbzas wee stint at Royal serf boy was the tin lid…
I think social media is awash with fake accounts too. Slavish to Sturgeon.
Barrhead boy caught two yoons yesterday..Jackass Carlaw & Douglas Alexander tweeting the exact same tweet – a slip up at Tory/Lab HQ..
There’s also been a spate of fake accounts clearly from SNP HQ for the same thing.. tweeting the exact same shite from different accounts.
The bots are obviously in meltdown..
I think He must think there’s at least two of you because ‘wings’ is plural
Two and half years of Operation Branchform and the Keystone Cops aka Police Scotland hasn’t charged anyone, and they are not willing to give any info out as to when the investigation will get a move on.
Humza Yousaf has said NO ONE will get any money back who contributed to the ringfenced £600,000 indy money.
The situation has been described as scandalous and it is, its as if the Keystone Cops aka Police Scotland are hoping given enough time it fades out of peoples minds.
There’s been speculation according to the article that Operation Branchform is over and no one will be held to account.
https://archive.is/z2hVO
Vivian O’Blivion says:
“Ursula von der Leyen has declared herself Empress of Europe”
She’s a vile creature, she doesn’t speak for most Europeans either, here Clare Daly rips into her.
https://nitter.net/ClareDalyMEP/status/1716835522952192456#m
I’d imagine Sturgeon would hit it right off with von der Leyen, as she did with Hillary Clinton her heroine.
The clue is in the name, WINGS, which takes us back to Paul Is Dead. The first single released by WINGS was Give Ireland Back To The Irish which if initialised gives us GIBTTI which is similar to GUPTA. Ravenscraig of course takes us to Killing Joke and their bassist Paul Raven who died after joining Ministry, which Ministry we do not know. The Craig refers to Craig Murray who was replaced by Craig Scanlon whilst in prison and is currently in Switzerland having meetings with BA Roberston.
Anyone notice a pattern emerging in this thread?
Scroll down to see it, you’ll find it shocking.
https://nitter.net/BenjaminNorton/status/1728767031254897086#m
Nikla is slowly retiring from politics but has already set herself up to cash in on her calamitous time as FM. She now even has a driving license so may well be coming to a town near you soon to tell all the locals about ‘’progressive ideas’ and acceptance of gender bending fantasists. If you bung her a tenner, you might even get a selfie with her. Although she would fit in very well in the greasy EU, she won’t be accepted there as even they know what a waste of space she really is. The big opportunity for Nikla is coming when she writes her book about coming out and why she could never do it while in the spotlight. Despite Edinburgh and the Scottish parliament being literally the most pro lgbtxyzabcde outfit in the world.
It’s a shock to see her sonsie, wee face again.
Thing is, if somebody put a gun tae ma heid, and forced me to choose, Sturgeon or Yousaf, I’m thinking I’d be all for turning the clock back.
And I never could stand sight nor sound of the woman.
The other thing is, if anybody tries to tell me that, forced to choose, they would choose Yousaf, well I would hae ma serious doots.
John Main @ 17.20
You don’t feel that the continuity candidate, elected in defiance of their own party rules, isn’t just a puppet with Ms Sturgeon pulling his strings? Really ?
Nickla joined the SNP to push back against Thatcher. Ironic then she listens and believes her sycophants, that she is “The Queen Over the Water in waiting” just like Thatcher did.
Scotland has a population of 5.5 million I refuse to believe Sturgeon or Yousaf is the best we have got. My prediction Sturgeon will get a suspended sentence based on her public service as a mitigation against the charges of Operation Branchform. Humza will be dumped by SNP members after the General Election next year. The SNP will be a minority party again. And the Independence movement can start again from scratch.
Police Scotland are like the FBI. Corrupt to the core. This has played out exactly as predicted. They sit on their hands doing fuck all about the corruption and criminality at the highest levels while forming fifty men taskforces to investigate the theft of miniatures or hair pinging.
Joke police force serving the criminals not the public. Needs disbanded just like the FBI.
@Republicofscotland says:27 November, 2023 at 5:12 pm
Anyone notice a pattern emerging in this thread?
Scroll down to see it, you’ll find it shocking
Yup! I scrolled down, and I was shocked!
When you get to the world map at the bottom, the correlation between the red and green areas is mind boggling.
Virtually every country in the green area, is contributing to the sending of millions of desperate refugees, asylum seekers, migrants, etc etc every year, to virtually every country in the red area.
Desperate people, fleeing persecution, poverty, oppression, want, prepared to sacrifice their lives and their kid’s lives, to get into the red area.
You shocked RoS? Your daft ideas should be.
@Sven says:27 November, 2023 at 5:43 pm
You don’t feel that the continuity candidate, elected in defiance of their own party rules, isn’t just a puppet with Ms Sturgeon pulling his strings? Really ?
I didn’t make any statements about who’s calling the shots.
Forced to make a choice, I can’t see many Scots choosing Yousaf over Sturgeon, that’s all.
That may be a totally academic point, then again, it could be that Sturgeon will one day make a comeback. If she does, she remains popular with many Scots.
Her comeback may be a completely unlikely impossibility. They were saying that too about Cameron, just 3 weeks ago.
Daisy Walker @ 1:43 pm
“it appears members of the legal fraternity are getting ready to start fighting back re the corruption.”
While they’re at it, maybe they could have a wee look at the numerous violations to the corrupt Treaty of Union which still protects their privileged position.
Tho dae thay e’en ken whit croune an soverane fowk thay ser?
@John Main 6:30pm
Cameron wasn’t arrested under a multi million pound Police Investigation. If Sturgeon gets charged as I expect she will. There is no way back from that. She will negotiate a settlement to stay out of jail probably by pleading guilty. Even to non legal people the Prima Facia case is there. It’s the political machinations and consequences of other players that is holding up Operation Branchform deliberations and not Police Scotland. I expected an announcement last week only to find the new Chief Constable wrapped up in her own misdemeanor. I was left thinking can’t these people do anything right?
@ George Ferguson
Reasonable folk may think there are still questions to be resolved over the whole Cameron / Greensill Capital / GUPTA / GFG Alliance / SIMEC / Liberty Steel / etc shizzle.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/never-learned-to-shovel/comment-page-1/#comment-2778780
It’s hard to imagine that there’s an ounce of credibility left in the Scots judiciary… just lots of fat, brown envelopes in circulation containing that little something to help with next year’s school fees.
As for justice? Aye, right! The motto found in every courtroom in Scotland should read as follows…
VERBERA PERSEVERABIT USQUE AD BEATITUDO AUGEATUR
They say a fish rots from the head down. Our country is rotting from it’s lame excuse of a government all the way down, and all thanks to the gravy-train riding troughers infesting the SNP.
I’m so looking forward to the next election when the reset button can get a damned hard thump!
Indy for Scotland!
SNP OUT!
@Dan 7:06pm
True but he wasn’t arrested with imminent multiple charges. I didn’t advocate his appointment as Foreign Secretary. If Cameron has done wrong he should also be investigated. I work on the principle that nobody is above the law. If it was me or you, we wouldn’t get special dispensation to negotiate our own penalties. A two tier law system.
@ George Ferguson
You may believe in and work on the principle nobody is above the law, but it’s clear as day that this doesn’t actually play out in the real world as we can see by the seemingly never ending flow of muckle elephants entering the room.
It’s always worth reminding oneself of the definition and etymology of the word privilege.
I have as much faith in elements of the Scottish legal profession standing up and fighting back as I do elements of Police Scotland standing up and fighting back for justice…
Hahahahahahahahaha! Fucking jokes the pair of them.
They are not the solution, they are the problem.
Hope someone at least manages to get us a good trade deal on Vaseline petroleum jelly seeing as we’ll soon be getting fucking reamed by those “pesky foreigner owned corporates” selling us fuel at whatever price they can extort out of us.
http://robinmcalpine.org/what-the-grangemouth-closure-really-means-for-scotland/
So moving on. Anybody got any suggestions on what other countries would be a reasonable place to live seeing as this one is basically totes cunted.
IMHO, there is no other place for her to end up than in a tough Scottish prison for life.
@Dan 7:30pm
But surely it’s up to you and me and others to change that. Do you really want to live in a future Independent Scotland with a two tier law system? The Union can speak for itself. I am the definition of the antithesis of Privilege. 8 people in a 3 bedroom Council semi detached on free school dinners. But we used to have an education system that allowed and indeed promoted social migration. Unfortunately our Institutions are broken now. There is little hope for large sections of our communities outwith the SNP gravy train.
Dan
I’m thinking Orkney or Shetland, then get them back into Norwegian ownership.
I’m sure the Norwegians, being reasonable chiels, will allow me to keep driving my current vehicles on the left.
At least for long enough to see me out.
Being canny chiels too, they probably won’t open up the Sovereign Wealth Fund straight away, but it’s defo worth waiting 20 years for.
I hear the climate is getting warmer too.
Rock: (3 June, 2015: “Under rocks and slime”)
“As I have been saying, the Scottish justice system is rotten to the core.
And the vast majority of lawyers, especially judges, are the lowest of the low.”
Dan,
Grangemouth doesn’t just supply Scotland with finished products, it’s also well over half of Ireland (both sides of the border). Ireland has one small refinery down in the far south, and some import terminals, but energy self-sufficiency and security seems to be disappearing from not just Scotland, but Ireland as well.
You know that I’m a unionist, but the fact above gives me no pleasure. I’d like to see Grangemouth kept going. It’s good income and jobs that won’t easily be replaced.
John Main @ 7:55 pm
“I’m thinking Orkney or Shetland, then get them back into Norwegian ownership.”
The Vikings invaded and colonised these islands and Caithness, but were eventually removed, the land returning to its rightful owner, Scotland.
However the Viking raiders are back in the form of Equinor which has been handed large slices of Scotland’s future renewable energy production at limited outlay. And so the economic plunder of Scotland continues….
“Full of hate and bile?” That’s rich coming from Celtcher. The Natz separatists are the very epitome of hate, bile and xenophobia. Even a growing number of former separatist supporters realise this now. Most TRUE Scots will hail the implosion of the utterly corrupt and incompetent SNP (and Greens).
Effijy says:
“Why on earth can it then be good for Scotland to be controlled, suppressed and robbed by the aggressor next door.”
As much as it pains me to say it, its because it’s mildly less humiliating than being controlled and robbed by an aggressor who is your own elected government.
Neil Singleton @ 9.11pm.
Most (all?) governments are corrupt. It’s something that has to be lived with, even if it can’t be excused.
The problem with Scotland is that it is run not just by incompetent, but by the most incompetent shower of 3rd rate unemployable elsewhere chancers and grifters that ever walked the planet, who self- perpetuate by preferring friends and family, thereby sidelining anyone with a modicum of ability, who doesn’t get a look in.
The SNP Greens Government is as bad as it gets and has been a catastrophy for Scotland. The decline will continue unless and until they are cleared out.
A corrupt but competent government would be a welcome change.
Provided I stay off the fags and moderate the booze, I’ll live to see the day when the duration of Scotland’s tenure of the Northern Isles exceeds that of both Norway and Pictland.
But it’s still a good Yoon fantasy, nonetheless, for the Northern Isles to miraculously become Norwegian. A bit like handing Yorkshire, Lancashire and the East Midlands over to the Danes. Or the Isle of Mann to Scotland.
I’d prefer to just give the whole of Great Britain back to the Celts, and have the descendants of the Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings/Normans and all the other Johnny foreigners who have pitched up over the last 2000 years piss off home!
There… Sorted!
@alf baird says:27 November, 2023 at 8:39 pm
The Vikings invaded and colonised these islands and Caithness, but were eventually removed, the land returning to its rightful owner, Scotland
Hmmm.
The Norsemen took them from the Picts.
The Scots, having eliminated the Picts further south, pushed north and eventually cleared the Norsemen out.
The Norsemen still managed to hold the territories for over half a millennium.
Overlapping some of this chronologically, the Norsemen from France, having been promised the throne of England, invaded in 1066 and eventually worked their way, via royal patronage, into becoming Scotland’s ruling classes and major landowners.
It’s justifiable to claim that the Norsemen held the Northern Isles for a longer period than our current contemporary period has seen them held by Scotland. But I’ll compromise and accept they should be returned to the Picts, if you will.
robertkknight 9.49
Or, to put it another way:
“veni, vidi, vici” –
“pizzovi”
Celtchar accuses Wings of being “full of hate and bile.”
If Celtchar was referring to the comments section, rather than Stu’s articles, he has a point. Name-calling is rampant.
In the last Wings comment thread, I’ve counted 37 uses of “shit/shite”, 19 of “feck/fck”, 20 of “twat,” 9 of “arse,” plus numerous “ass,” “masterbater” [sic], “N@zi,” “bollocks” and more.
Almost all from just a few pro-Indy commenters, who probably don’t realize how they embarrass their cause.
It’s instructive when a rocket who probably gets a special truck for his Ritalin delivery says the perfectly sorted Stu has behavioural issues. Mind you the fact that it sees Van Der Liar and Ma Merkel as the benchmark shows a deep mummy complex. The residue of non-thinking space cadets who mindlessly support the SNP is the only reason their mouths are still flapping.
@robertkknight says:27 November, 2023 at 9:49 pm
miraculously become Norwegian
It’s no fantasy, Yoon or otherwise. And no miracle needed.
It’s a simple recognition that no clearly bounded land mass can be denied the democratic right of its indigenous populace to become Independent, or otherwise align with another country, as it so wishes.
It’s truly remarkable how many Scottish Indy supporters have no interest in the democratic process, unless it suits them.
Indy for me, but not for thee, is not a good look.
I’m not saying it will happen, or that it should happen. But if the Northern Isles decide, when Indy is on the cards, that what is on offer from Edinburgh doesn’t suit them, then I’m saying they have every right to go.
On current comparisons between Oslo and Edinburgh it’s a no-brainer, and you know that.
John Main @ 10:05 pm
“I’ll compromise and accept they should be returned to the Picts”
Colonialism tends to confuse peoples and re-writes their histories for them. Places, street names and even mountains are named in the image of the coloniser and ‘Scotland’ seems little different. Our original name is ‘Pictland’ or even ‘Pictavia’ and the ‘Scots’ language might even be termed today’s ‘Pictish’.
@Dundee Scot 10:11pm
But we have also given you an appraisal of where Operation Branchform is at moment. That would be news to most of the MSM. I myself never swear in real life unless I drop a hammer on my foot. And that would be an involuntary response. This is a free speech blog allsorts are allowed to comment but just occasionally inside information is posted. Your days as an SNP apologist are thankfully numbered.
@Dundee Scot says:27 November, 2023 at 10:11 pm
That last thread you analysed must have been an outlier. You would usually find plenty of cants and winkers too.
This is where I think Alf Baird could help.
With some kind of Scots language “Alf’s Profanisaurus” to consult, the regulars could spew foul-mouthed hate and bile and most readers would never know.
I have in the past called for a Scots language thread to be developed as, despite my hostility to the idea of its enforcement on us, I am interested in expanding my small knowledge of it.
Maybes learning to cuss in Scots could provide the hook that would draw us in?
The fact that there was a full moon yesterday, seems to have escaped all commenters on this thread. I think it likely that the Loon/ Lune, “Celtchar”, an already unbalanced creature, has had his equilibrium further compromised by this event.
Re. Branchform. Sturgeon will walk. If there are charges, they will be laid against Beattie and Murrel.
The amount of nicola sturgeon appreciation society or i liv nicola stuff is quite astonishing but they do read kike they have been written by the one person. Its all drivel and quite delusional.
I know most people do not follow politics as closely but there is no way on the current trajectory the sno can win more than 20 sears in westminster. They will be laughed off the benches.
In my area they have selected a candidate that i would not sent for a pint of milk. It is beyond rediculious.
Hi Dundee Scot.
You mentioned “embarrassed”.
I find it embarrassing that someone goes under the username “Dundee Scot” and spews out so much pro-union propaganda.
Did you miss the fact that Dundee had the highest percentage YES vote in the 2014 referendum?
As you are posting anonymously under a username, would you care to let us know whether you voted YES or no in the 2014 referendum, and which party you voted for in the last council, Holyrood and UK general elections?
Just so we know where you’re coming from.
Robert Knight 712pm
SNP out won’t matter a damn if we have a bent legal system.
Alf is correct – they’re currently serving the wrong master.
Mac (6:14) also correct.
It’ll be all those envelopes they push to each other annually at their secret sect swarees to make sure justice only applies to the riff raff & everything else is handled on the go slow club rules & being a fart in a colander wondering which hole to escape..
Scotlands own version of the RUC.
Dundee Scot 10:11
You can come out now, Chas.
It was another rabbid Yoon who liked to count insults like some sort of windae licking spaz…
Oops! There’s another insult to add to yer list. You run along now & chalk that one up on yer wee pie chart.. 😀
Shug 11:04
There seems to be a wave of fake accounts, especially on twitter.
It looks like Slabber & cons have purchased a pound shop version of Cambridge Analytica that’s malfunctioned already by tweeting the same tweet & the SNP have invested in bots fae Del Boy down the barras all wired to praise be the mighty Saint Nicola. She’s an angel sent fae heaven & we’ll never see her likes again..
“Brian Doonthetoon”, being numbers literate, I’m quite aware that my own Dundee voted strongly “Yes.” So what?
In case you’re curious, in 2014 I voted with the (large) majority of Scots.
It seems Scotland just doesn’t appreciate criminals. We are such a small minded nation. LOL.
Aye. I dunno how Scotland ever managed to invent & enlighten half the modern world.
We can see what they were up against..
We’re all just foul mouthed drunks who should learn to pay homage to our captors or they’ll clutch their pearls in angst.
Chas, naw ye didnae cause the majority of Scots voted YES.
You claiming to be good with numbers ken…
Geri,
“a majority of Scots voted YES”.
That old chestnut. Unproveable, and conjecture. In any case, it was adult British citizens registered to vote in Scotland that had the franchise.
It seems that the orange pusher is now a profanity counter, ach well naebody went for his sectarian bait let’s try downclassing shaming them, Dundee Scot hahahaha get aff yer knees
Geri thanks for your response and thoughts last thread
Maybe, a Dundee Scot can get JM to explain to it how 47% is not a large majority.
Yup! I scrolled down, and I was shocked!
I am very surprised that a 24/7 know it all can be shocked.
Virtually every country in the green area, is contributing to the sending of millions of desperate refugees, asylum seekers, migrants, etc etc every year, to virtually every country in the red area.
Actually,rather than virtually, these countries are responding to the dictates of the other.
You knowingly confuse contribution with abject,enforced compliance.
Desperate people, fleeing persecution, poverty, oppression, want, prepared to sacrifice their lives and their kid’s lives, to get into the red area.
Leaving their resources and foreign military bases in place for extraction to red elite.
How many military and financial red bases are in the green?
How many military and financial green bases are in the red?
You shocked RoS? Your daft ideas should be.
I can’t make any sense of that invective
Depends how you look at things/facts
Irony being that if the murder tent is malfeasance, and the delay misfeasance, the case for Salmond & We the people v SG is significantly strengthened by circumstance eitherway.
Indeed, assuming its strengthened on the side that screams sabotage, NS becoming head of the EU might not be out of reach (or unpalatable) in the slightest.
However, given that even Musk’s now been forced into a Jacke Baillie (albeit under greater financial pressure), and the barrier to becoming Scots politician of the year reset at being an apologist for Israeli genocide (FFS) best for all might be if she were to become head of twitter instead/ first.
@paul says:28 November, 2023 at 6:36 am
I can’t make much sense of your italics.
But well done for checking out the world map in RoS’s post.
Thanks for your assertion that we in the affluent, fortunate west are forcibly depopulating the populations in the green countries in the shithole category to our own – that is a remarkable claim that I have never read anywhere else. I will be on the lookout to see if anybody else is making that claim, or if it is all your very own.
As for the idea that we are depopulating these countries so that we can steal their resources, two facts:
1) The currently most active colonialist exploiters, China & Russtiland, are both in the green, shithole category, that nobody in their right mind chooses to migrate to.
2) The countries with the highest population growth rates are also in the green, shithole category. If you think we are forcing them to depopulate then strap in – the inwards migration we have seen so far is just the first spray from an advancing tsunami.
24/7 know it all
That level of attention is quite unnecessary. With the possible exception of yourself, people are remarkably clear on the migration flow directions across the world. And on that map, it’s overwhelmingly green to red. So here in the red zone, it must be the case we’re not doing too badly.
And that’s why (to take a recent example) Dublin has a growing Somali population, but no Dubliners are flitting to Hargeisa.
And that’s why, keeping it real on WOS, for every year we spend pointlessly arguing, the proportion of registered Scottish voters who want to support Indy declines inexorably.
Shug says:
27 November, 2023 at 11:04 pm
The amount of Nicola Sturgeon appreciation society or I luv Nicola stuff is quite astonishing but they do read kike they have been written by the one person. Its all drivel and quite delusional.
Indeed, with flawed leaders (and most are), there often springs up cults of fanatics who will defend them to the last. It’s like a fake belief system, a religion that they just can’t let go. Question Nicola and you are immediately labelled as a heretic, an unbeliever. A bad person.
Something very similar is going on with the Greens and this Net Zero, electric cars, heat pumps nonsense. They know it is hurting people but it’s their religion, so they stick with it. Woe betide anyone who questions their actions or questions the whole carbon-driven climate change-global warming theory (still unproven). You are immediately labelled as a heretic and a dangerous person.
IMO climate change is natural, but the human effect is unproven. But I’m not allowed to say that. The doughnut politicians have latched on to it and now harp on about it like experts, with their Net Zero soundbites and gestures – something they know very little or absolutely nothing about. Free speech and alternative opinions are neither invited nor allowed in this country. There are Green sw@stikas everywhere. Rant over.
@stuart mctavish says:28 November, 2023 at 7:26 am
Online dictionaries are widely available and free to use.
I suggest you start with the word ‘genocide’.
Not for the first time, I note that the use of hysterical, over-the-top, ridiculously hyperbolic language seems to be a kind of “badge of honour” with some posters on here.
Yet, the reality is, it doesn’t help your cause, and it never has. It just makes you come across as unhinged.
Soz.
@Luigi says:28 November, 2023 at 8:02 am
IMO climate change is natural, but the human effect is unproven. But I’m not allowed to say that
You’re not? But you just did!
So what happens now – a spell in a brutal re-education camp for you, or …
SFA.
Still, look on the bright side. I get to re-post my earlier reply verbatim:
Not for the first time, I note that the use of hysterical, over-the-top, ridiculously hyperbolic language seems to be a kind of “badge of honour” with some posters on here.
Yet, the reality is, it doesn’t help your cause, and it never has. It just makes you come across as unhinged.
Soz.
Out side the small political media bubble, the MAJORITY of people exist in a undramatised world of reality.
Not just in Scotland, across Britain,
And the Majority of people are becoming pretty fed up with these over dramatic actors in that bubble,
The unrest across britian is probably not going to start in Scotland, but I for one am happy they have mis read the situation as usual and are looking the wrong way,
It is difficult to shut up or shut down the Scottish voice for independence on Wings if We all quote their own legislation, Statues, historical records, dates and links back to them,
I have noticed they eventual lose their every argument, twisting, contradicting themselves, squirming and turning themselves in knots, incoherently.
The ancient guff that does not matter in history nowadays, they cling and quote to like a prop when it is suddenly a require bit of information,
And judging by the past few years links and comments, It are those links, of their own historical past making that causes them the most concern,
It is difficult for them to debate their own sides past words, writings and records,
John Main says:
28 November, 2023 at 8:17 am
@Luigi says:28 November, 2023 at 8:02 am
IMO climate change is natural, but the human effect is unproven. But I’m not allowed to say that
You’re not? But you just did!
Sigh. Here we go, as expected.
As you well know, there are different ways of closing down debate. Your obvious attempt to ridicule questioning of the global warming-climate change is but one example.
Warning folks, if Johnny doesn’t like your opinion, he will try to make fun of it. Pathetic.
24/7 know it all
You really do bruise like a peach.
You chastise me for my formatting,but you actaually wrote:
You shocked RoS? Your daft ideas should be.
Incoherent invective is always the best!
This one got to me. What the fuck are these demons doing…
twitter.com/hulme_edward/status/1725076654601441627
“Bombarded twice in Gaza, 4-year-old Ahmed lost his parents in the first then his legs in the second attack – Reuters.
The boy keeps asking for his parents, and he wants to get up and walk, but his parents are dead and his legs have been amputated.”
@Luigi says:28 November, 2023 at 9:01 am
obvious attempt to ridicule questioning of the global warming-climate change
Question all you like. Fill your boots.
Just don’t claim you’re not allowed to question.
That claim is being ridiculed because it’s ridiculous.
. . . this Net Zero, electric cars, heat pumps nonsense. They know it is hurting people but it’s their religion, so they stick with it. Woe betide anyone who questions their actions or questions the whole carbon-driven climate change-global warming theory (still unproven). You are immediately labelled as a heretic and a dangerous person.
Not a heretic Luigi, just a science-denying fool
@paul says:28 November, 2023 at 9:14 am
You shocked RoS? Your daft ideas should be.
Incoherent invective is always the best!
I’ve read it again. I am unconvinced that qualifies as either invective, or incoherence. If saying somebody has daft ideas is invective, then we Scots can hear invective on every street of our land, every day of the year [haha – assuming the speakers aren’t using one of the dozens of foreign languages I usually hear on my local streets, but that’s a different gripe].
Tell you what is incoherent, Paul. You spelling “actually” as “actaually” in your post.
John @8:10
The world you should have taken exception to was apologist because in fact she was tricked, like you, to be a cheerleader for it.
.and the more their anger is cheered on, the more children they bomb (due to restart in couple of days), apperently with everyone now on same page – make Israel the most hated country to have ever been imagined into existence.. right at the point when it’s people need the love and sympathy of the world most.
It’s disgusting
GENOCIDE in my understanding is
A word usually signifying the «deliberate/intentional» eradication of a people.
The Jewish genocide under the Nazis is a true genocide and the Ottoman treatment of Armenians possibly so, albeit the Ottoman rational was not considered «racist» in the Nazi sense.
Ethnocide another term, has come to indicate the eradication of a culture by a dominant one whether by force or «soft» tactics.
The first is very rare, the second is common and is an element of imperialism in all its guises and may also be a means of political control of a minority e.g Russian pogroms and the Uyghur repression in East Turkestan/Xinjiang.
The two may intersect as in the case of colonial New Zealand and Australia and 19th century North America.
Overuse softens the real impact of both terms as there may be variables in causation.
Tell you what is incoherent, Paul. You spelling “actually” as “actaually” in your post.
It is not incoherent, just a typo.
What was referenced clearly was.
There was nothing “better” about Better Together, a House Jock group of politicians that described itself as Project Fear, this man was a central figure in that group.
“THE former director of the Better Together campaign has been named as the Labour candidate for East Renfrewshire for the next General Election.
It was previously reported in the Times that Blair McDougall, who was the top strategist and a prominent spokesperson for the Unionist side in the 2014 independence referendum, was in the running to contest either East Renfrewshire or Paisley and Renfrewshire South.
On Twitter/X on Monday evening, Scottish Labour’s Twitter account confirmed he would be the candidate for East Renfrewshire.”
@stuart mctavish says:28 November, 2023 at 10:22 am
I’ll simply repeat what I believe to be true.
A compromise solution exists. It includes all Israeli and other nationality hostages released, all Palestinian prisoners released, all tunnels destroyed, all bombardments stopped, all illegal West Bank settlements destroyed.
It requires both sides, who are both sworn before their respective deities to eliminate the other from the face of the Earth, to renounce their vows. Now that’s difficult, but maybes not quite impossible.
It requires Iran to back down. Again, difficult, but maybes not quite impossible.
Like you, if I was being held hostage indefinitely in one of these tunnels, I would stay there forever before I would countenance the harming of even one collateral innocent.
But if it was one of mine being held, that’s tricky – I might well call for my government to do whatever it takes.
Let’s just hope neither of us are ever put in that situation, eh?
It looks like around 1,500 Police Scotland Officers jobs could go if no major investment is forthcoming, the (SPA) Scottish Police Authority has put forward a report asking for substantial funding.
“The report follows finance secretary Shona Robison’s comments last week that she had “no doubts” public sector jobs would be cut due to funding pressure.
The report says: “Tactical, short-term measures would have to be taken to deliver maximum savings.”
It continues: “This could see a reduction of up to 1,427 FTE (full-time equivalent roles) by 31 March 2025, which can only be achieved through a continuation of the officer recruitment pause throughout the entire duration of 2024-25, along with an extensive VR/VER (voluntary redundancy/voluntary early retirement) programme.
“The impact of flat cash could be minimised by implementing a pay freeze for 2024-25 but this would have further operational implications and would still require significant workforce reductions.”
The 1,427 police officer jobs at risk make up 6.4 per cent of the force, and if cut it would result in “a reduction in visible local policing”, as well as “an inability to increase local policing resources and enhance visibility and public confidence” and “an inability to effectively keep people safe in the online space”. ”
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,almost-1500-officer-jobs-at-risk-warns-police-scotland
Scotsrenewables says: 28 November, 2023 at 10:19 am
Thank you for proving Luigi’s point.
Your welcome.
Scotsrenewables,
Talking of science, in this case the dismal science of statistics, the U.K. as a whole contributes about 1% of global carbon emissions. Scotland being around 10% of the U.K. population would make a 0.1% contribution to global emissions.
That is statistically insignificant, and even more so when many other countries are annually growing their emissions by more than Scotland contributes in total per year.
John Main
Aside from the usual…this stands out –
“Indy for me, but not for thee, is not a good look”
Sums up nicely the Brexiteering Little Englanders and their House Jock bedfellows. More than happy for the UK to tear up the treaty with the rEU, but Scotland do the same with the rUK? Aye, right!
If, as some folk here repeatedly harp on, you argue that as Scotland was part of the UK when the UK joined the EU, as the (English) majority voted to leave, all parts must leave, you must therefore also accept that as the Northern Isles were part of Scotland when Scotland joined (created) the UK, if the (mainland) majority votes to leave, all parts must leave.
If the Northern Isles subsequently seek to withdraw from, or become a Crown Dependency of, an independent Kingdom of Scotland, then that’s an internal matter for the Kingdom of Scotland to discuss down the road – SFA to do with the rUK, or whatever it wants to call itself.
@ Scotsrenewables
That’s a pretty lame cheap shot trying to label someone a science-denying fool for simply pointing out the significant amounts of bullshit incorporated into so much of this greenwashing shite that’s being foisted on to us.
A rudimentary understanding of economies of scale and the laws of physics quickly shows us that much of this “planet saving” tech being rolled out in such a flawed and compromised way is far from being the salvation it claims to be.
But if you believe a 250 year old stone built house with single glazing and no underfloor and limited wall insulation can miraculously jump from having a thermal efficiency EPC rating of G (very poor) to A (as good as it gets and something even a modern state of the art new build would struggle to obtain) then I guess you really have succumbed to the kool-aid.
With no end in sight to the Cost of Living Crisis this figure looks likely to rise even higher.
“At least 244 people died while homeless in Scotland last year, official figures show.
Data from National Records of Scotland (NRS) reveals a small reduction in the number of people who died while in temporary accommodation or sleeping rough.
However, the 244 total remains higher than in 2017, when the data was first collected.
And statisticians say the figure may be higher because of the difficulties in identifying people who were homeless at the time of death.
Almost half (49 per cent) of those who died were less than 45 years old.”
Surprisingly not all the deaths were due to drugs abuse
Sadly until there’s a comprehensive plan to address the aspects as to why people end up homeless and sleeping on the streets, the figures on those who die doing so, are unlikely to change.
“Matt Downie, chief executive of housing charity Crisis, said: “These figures are a national disgrace, but they are not at all surprising. Anyone familiar with the nature of homelessness knows the damage it does to people’s health. It exposes them to physical danger, and it damages their mental health.
“But the truth is that, as more people are forced into the homelessness system, more people will die homeless. And with the system now straining beyond local authorities’ ability to cope, we are seeing more people forced to sleep on the street, more families trapped for long periods in accommodation that’s totally unsuitable, and more people being told there is simply nowhere for them to go.”
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,new-figures-reveal-tragedy-of-homeless-deaths-in-scotland
Can someone explain to this science denying Chartered Physicist exactly how much lower the temperature will be if Scotland replaces every gas boiler with a heat pump and every car with an EV?
What cost will this be per family?
Show your working for a bonus point.
Dan @ 12.14am
Of course the heat pump EPC penalising gas boilers underfloor insulatiion sh1te is nonsense for a large part of Scotland’s housing stock.
And I probably know more about that than you, having recently fought with an EPC ‘assessor’ who knew less than me to get my own property raised from ‘E’ to ‘D’
None of that invalidates the science, it just invalidates Harvie and Slater et al – and neither does Scotland being a small country mean we can just ignore it.
We are in a position resource and expertise wise to lead the world in net-zero tech and engineering, to Scotland’s substantial economic benefit.
Shortly after Sunak announces a £360 million deal with Palantir to manage patient data in England we have this from Holyrood Magazine:
The usability conundrum of electronic patient records, by Sofia Villegas, https://archive.ph/sBILW
After an introductory paragraph we get this:
“Building on this data, Holyrood gathered professionals from across the industry at the Waldorf Astoria in Edinburgh to discuss the challenge of clinical documentation and to explore how the situation looks north of the border.”
The essential fact is the footnote: “in association with Nuance, a Microsoft company”. Voice Technologies mentioned extensively in the article is also a Nuance partner and a Microsoft partner.
So, not quite an extensive gathering of professionals one might assume. This is quite a good example on the intersection of lobbying, vested interests and public relations which is passed off as journalism. I’d imagine it takes busy ministers and advisors quite a bit of mental resources to be able to fend off this level of promotion. I’m sure if you made a graph of all the relationships and all the decisions, you’d come with some interesting connections.
ROS Says:
“But the truth is that, as more people are forced into the homelessness system, more people will die homeless. And with the system now straining beyond local authorities’ ability to cope, we are seeing more people forced to sleep on the street, more families trapped for long periods in accommodation that’s totally unsuitable, and more people being told there is simply nowhere for them to go.”
It’s a waste of time moaning about it here. What’s required is action, like the Irish did on the streets of Dublin.
who is celtchar?
Blimp;
Nah, what’s needed is independence from the thieves.
https://education.gov.scot/resources/history-of-scots/
Scots language
Scots Renewables,
re expertise and Scotland. I did a couple of months of consultancy in Aberdeen, with the customer being an industry body for the offshore industry. I was struck by an impressive attitude to exporting 50 years of expertise of offshore work to challenging new projects around the world. The attitude was that while Scottish oil and gas definitely had a time horizon (this was in 2011), there was the world’s best knowledge in offshore gathered in Aberdeen, and that in itself was an export of great potential.
I suspect that it’s still the same today, but that over time, the engineering expertise will morph from oil and gas, to wind and tidal offshore engineering.
That’s a great thing that Scotland does. Having built out a lot of renewables offshore, Scotland should capitalise upon it. There’s a growing global market.
Luigi.
Paid, funded and lobbied religion.
Follow the money trail from start to finish always,
Stu,
Isee the Telegraph are running a peice on the gender issue, Lady Falkner and the UN.
Stu,
I see the Telegraph are running a piece on the gender issues sex, bilogical sex Lady Falkner Holyrood and the UN.
Stu,
I see the Telegraph are running a piece on the gender issues sex, bilogical sex Lady Falkner Holyrood and the UN.
Is anyone else having issues with their comments going through today?
DasBlimp.
Dublin is different issues. Different problems.
Our problems seems to be home grown & private landlords.
James
Yes.I noticed it bad yesterday. Sometimes Google wouldn’t even load the front page.
Is AI out for Stu? Lol
Dan,
ASA.
I see the Scotsman news ( laugh up my sleeve at title of news paper) is promoting banning wood burning stoves,
Geri,
Tried posting in usual manner, and kept being forwarded to Error after submitting post,
I Kept persisting, then the all the posts shot through together,
Not being on the internet the last while due to spouses hospital, doctors and nurse appointments so was unaware that Google was not even posting the front page,
But that explains a lot from the previous few weeks when I also had a problem up loading Wings,
Cheers.
At the moment.
But, funnily enough, there’s no-one making YouTube videos about what someone commented on a anonymous forum.
Alf Baird @ 10.37 pm, 27 Nov writes: “Colonialism tends to confuse peoples and re-writes their histories for them. Places, street names and even mountains are named in the image of the coloniser and ‘Scotland’ seems little different. Our original name is ‘Pictland’ or even ‘Pictavia’ and the ‘Scots’ language might even be termed today’s ‘Pictish’.”
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Alf, I must request yet again that you desist from your obsessive and unworthy trope that Gaelic is foreign while ‘Scots’ is the indigenous heir of Pictish. The reality is that ‘Scots’ was the offspring of Northumbrian English colonists (and I imagine the irony of that for you is unbearable). The ‘Dictionaries of the Scots Language’ (DSL) site plainly explains this:
“SCOTS: AN OUTLINE HISTORY: ORIGINS: The first speakers of the Old English ancestor of Scots arrived in what is now southern Scotland in the sixth century CE. These people were descendants of Germanic invaders who had arrived in the south-east of what is now England from the early fifth century. Their variety of Old English is known as Old Northumbrian, a northern sub-dialect of Old Anglian, the Old English dialect spoken over a wide territory stretching from the English Midlands to the Scottish Lowlands.“
In THE MERCAT ANTHOLOGY OF EARLY SCOTTISH LITERATURE 1375-1707 (Edited by R.D.S. Jack and P.A.T. Rozendaal, Mercat Press, 1997) we read:
“Was ‘Scottis’ the accepted, homogeneous literary language of Scotland in earlier times? Once the historical dimension to the question is opened up and one looks at origins, it becomes clear that the answers is ‘No’. The dialect known as ‘Scottis’ has no claim to be the original national tongue. In fact, if there were any politico-linguistic ‘treachery’, it was that which resulted in ‘Scottis’ gaining dominance over the native Gaelic.”
The great Lallans proponent Hugh MacDiarmid famously cried “Not Burns, but Dunbar!”. Yet William Dunbar (1420-1513) considered himself to be sharing the language of Chaucer:
“O reverend Chaucere, rose of rethoris all
(As in OURE TONG ane flour imperiall)
…Was thou noucht of OURE INGLISCH all the lycht”
(‘The Golden Targe’ by Wm Dunbar)
Living Gaelic is in fact as close as we can get to Pictish unless we look to Welsh. The unpalatable truth is that the colonialist ‘Scottis’ (aka ‘Inglische’) speaking Lowland authorities pushed on with the Anglo-Saxon expansionism begun by the Northumbrian invaders, as we note clearly from an Act of Privy Council of Scotland (1616):
“Thairfor that they shall send thair bairnis being past the age of nyne yeiris to the Scollis in the Lawlandis, to the effect thay may be instructit and trayned to wryte and reid and to speake Inglische; and that nane of thair bairnis sall be served air [heir] unto thame, nor acknawlegeit nor reid as tennentis to his Majestie unles thay can wryte, reid, and speik Inglische.” (Collectanea de Rebus Albanicus p 121)
Gaelic (undeniably a Celtic sister-language to Pictish) therefore remains our authentic ‘Lingua Scottorum’ (as it used to be referred to by Latinate academia). ‘Scots’ (essentially Anglo-Saxon) has no connection whatsoever with Pictish. Linguistically, Gaelic is independence, while ‘Scots’ is the linguistic equivalent of devolution.
I used to be a renter back in the 90s in my early 20s.
I’d have been cheaper having a mortgage.
£400 per month. Three months up front. 6 months lease. All utilities to pay including doctored meter readings the landlord would *adjust* himself. Poll tax & water bills.
Good luck getting £1,200 back for your next rental cause sure as shit the landlord would find a blade of grass missing & stiff you out of the whole lot, if not half of it, knowing fine well you’ve zero hope of following through on courts to get it back.
I can’t even begin to imagine the shit show it is now or if I’d had weans at the time. Landlords are out of control.
Scotland is building homes like something demented. Who is buying them all? Development is given to unaffordable homes for the average Joe. Why can’t they just build council homes FFS? It’s a guaranteed income at least.
But you know you will be dust floating on the breeze before that happens and even if it did, your replaced ruling elite will crush you the same as the SNP has. Sorry to break it to you.
Blimp;
Meh. You should be on the stage? (Sweeping it).
Stu. is very tolerant of people posting rubbish, so heres’s my contribution. The first in a series hopefully if he permits, and if people don’t object.
Ferries in the shipyards rusting,
Sturgeon’s boast is in a state.
Told the people, blind and trusting,
“Watch my lips, they’ll both be great”.
Painted windows for a selfie,
Standard fare from our dear Elsie.
Bad decisions, all defended,
Bonus payments open ended.
Scrapyard sure to be their fate.
Republicofscotland,
People dying while homeless,
This is where to much immigration/ migrant import does not tally or balance itself with the housing infrastructure , the finances and Council policies,
Some people in Scotland end up homeless here whilst we have a small population in our Country and Councils are still not able to provide for.
If you cannot look after you own people that are already homeless there is little point in importing more troubles and problems to exasparate the system,
That lacks common sense, is just plain illogical.
James
No problem. Sorry you’re having to go to hospital appointments. I hope all goes well.
I was there a few weeks ago for a scan. Nightmare. 8am appointment. Everything creepy & dark as staff not even in. I’d to wait nearly an hour over appointment time while the nurse chatted about the air show in Ayr to some tosser in a suit. He wasn’t even a patient. Some rep popping in to see if the staff were happy with their new machines FFS! The driver in the car park, on his third Costa & waiting to get back to work, wisnae a happy bunny. Neither was I. Aldi middle aisle was now out the question lol! As an aside, nurse said even if they have COVID they’ve to come to work now.
DasBlimp
No idea what you are referring to. As far as I’m aware Dublin is rioting over a spate of murders perpetrated by immigrants.
I don’t think there’s an answer to that unless they travel with a criminal record. The murder of the lass jogging didn’t have any previous??
Scotsrenewables says: at 11:40 am
“We are in a position resource and expertise wise to lead the world in net-zero tech and engineering, to Scotland’s substantial economic benefit.”
No we are not. We are nowhere near in that position because we have no control over all the major influencing powers to steer us on that trajectory, as the likes of energy policy and trade are reserved to London Rule.
Anyone using the term #NetZero really needs to have a serious word with themselves because they are living in la la land with little grasp on the realities of how manufacturing industries and global shipping actually function on this planet.
We essentially make fuck all here now, and delusional roasters somehow deem this as a big plus because we aren’t producing any nasty emissions here during the production of stuff…
…But the bit they ignore is that we are still consuming stuff, and it’s just being made elsewhere on the planet, often in far flung lands that rely heavily on fossil fuel use to power their mineral resource mining and manufacturing industries, whilst also not forgetting the rather significant carbon impact of propelling container ships around the planet to distribute such wares.
EG. All those millions of cheap Chinese Vapes packed with plastic and lithium batteries don’t just manifest onto the shelves of Scottish shops by themselves.
It strikes me that a lot of folk really don’t seem to grasp the difference in scales of energy usage involved in our domestic power requirements compared to powering industries.
A few of my mate’s works in the haulage industry. One was recently picking up an HGV from down near Coventry and it turns out the seller was involved with the quarry that was supplying the HS2 works with aggregate. He said they were operating the quarry to supply and deliver 3000 tonnes of stone a day. This is where the reality of the laws of physics kick in and simply can’t be ignored. The amount of energy required to produce and process that much aggregate, then fuel all the transportation logistics of moving that much weight about have to come from somewhere.
A 40 tonne tipper will struggle to get 10mpg.
@robertkknight says:28 November, 2023 at 11:13 am
Aside from the usual…this stands out
Back in my teaching days, I used to believe that when the reader completely misunderstands a written text, then the fault lies with the writer, not the reader.
Thanks for proving me wrong. I hope my former pupils aren’t bearing grudges.
I don’t know what you think you’re responding to, but I don’t recognise anything I’ve written in your response.
Plenty of childish name calling though.
Here’s a wee recap:
If the people of any geographical area freely and democratically vote to secede or otherwise choose to form their own government, then no group that is external to them has the right to stop them.
That includes Scotland splitting up with England, or parts of Scotland splitting up with Scotland. As I wrote:
Indy for me, but not for thee, is not a good look.
happy for the UK to tear up the treaty with the rEU
That’s not what happened. Why do you believe that’s what happened?
A democratic majority within the political entity that joined the EU (the UK) voted to leave. The UK government spent years negotiating the divorce settlement. Part of the negotiations involved agreeing the sums the UK had to pay, and will have to continue to pay for anther 30 years or so,
to buy itself out of EU commitments it had signed up to. Nothing was “torn up”.
The fundamental fact that no government can bind its successor was in play. Deny that, and 1707 is eternally irrevocable.
It really is not difficult, and it provides the template for when, or if, a democratic majority within Scotland vote to leave the UK.
Just as it provides the template for the probably unlikely when, or if, the Northern Isles vote to leave Scotland.
Democratic mandates, eh? Awkward things, but the best solutions available in our complicated world.
Anyhoo, nae doot somebody will be along in a mo to whine that us colonised Scots are nae allowed a democratic mandate for Indy, as per usual.
To which the reply is, five words:
Ask Ash Regan about that.
The plebiscitary election route is just waiting there to be picked up. Yet it’s about as popular as a bucket of cauld puke on here. I wonder why.
Here’s a very interesting read on recent events in Dublin, https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/11/plutoniumkun-correcting-the-considerable-misinformation-on-the-recent-dublin-riots.html, from somebody who there at the time.
As you might guess, what was reported, was not quite what happened. However what’s really interesting about the article is the writer’s take on who might be behind various protests and how the Irish government reacts to events. It’s not too much of a stretch to consider a similar situation occurs in Scotland, in terms of the way politics works. That throws an altogether different light on the way things appear, the way things are portrayed in various media and the way things actually are. In other words, if something simply doesn’t make sense, e.g. why is Yousaf still in a job, then you likely don’t have all the information available.
Dan
Excellent post & on point.
I’d also add all those iPhone & Samsung phones. What number are they up to now?
Stuart MacKay
A very interesting link. Thanks for posting it.
MM’s device has been confirmed as a “fanny pad”
Fearghas macFinnion,
I would like to presume who actual translates the old pictish language to mean Gaelic or Northumbrian English as there is not much written evidence of the old Pictish launguage,
Sometimes a lot of guess work is involved by academics.
And looking at some of these dictionaries the context in which they are used are slightly of kilter compared to how they are actually spoken in contextual every day conversations amongst the older generation whom have lived in more remote areas and especially hose that can trace their generational history,
My Spouse is from an area that was on a map once called Pictland, now called the north east of Scotland,
When using the word ” Tint” it is not used as in the long explanation given in the Scottish dictionaries,
It is used in a much more restrictive manner in conversations within the family, usually in the context of a specific object.
Ie,
“I tint ma glasses,”
In the dictionaries by academia it has been extend as a cover all explanation into other fields,
This is not the context in which it was originally used.
I have been complying a list of words and phrases over the last few years of Country words that are still in use amongst the oldest generation in the area once known as Pictland, which will be the last generation to speak that older language, and there is quite a difference between them, and some of many so called “Doric” Words.
Some of that collection includes the older words of the North East Pictland area, but it is not comprehensive contextually and not always in context by the Scottish dictionaries to how it used to be spoken.
There is much more work to be done on this last generations language, and how it was actually conversed daily,
Very little knowledge is gained from reading a dictionary of a lost language its pronounciations or context used,
Sadly there are only small pockets of people whom still converse here naturally and daily within their families to each other left,
My spouse used to converse with a sister, the second last one speaking this language in their area and family, whom sadly passed away nearly two years passed,
And now I never hear the older language spoke in context anymore,
I can however still hear occasionally the english invasion into Doric as a partly slang.
Peeps –
When you’re reading WOS on your computer, phone, etc, it’s your web browser – Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Brave, Opera, and so on – which has loaded the page you are reading, not Google.
Google is (mainly) a search engine, used to find examples of the criteria you have entered into its search box.
Why would you search for http://www.wingsoverscotland.com when you already have the address?
Also, there has been an up to 20 minute delay in submitted comments appearing on the (refreshed) page for months now. Have patience, don’t resubmit, or you can end up with 3 slightly different comments appearing within 4 minutes.
WordPress is to blame, not Google.
@Geri
I’ve tried and failed to post a link to a talk by Harry Burns.
There is a keynote speech of about 48 minutes which you can find by searching “Harry Burns keynote speech 48”. It is a talk to folk in education.He made much the same speech in Oz.
His pioneering work has been recognised and has changed greatly our approach to public health.
He is still doing research and also advising Alba on public health.
If Stu is reading this I hope he might put up the link as a post. The work Harry Burns has done needs widespread recognition in Scotland.
John Main, anger is, amongst others, a barrier to lucidity and a stage of grief.
Accordingly I don’t doubt you would call for your government to murder innocents if you and yours got caught up in something sordid, you’re already calling for some one else’s to do it (to it’s people’s detriment and potential eternal damnation, no less) and you’re not even involved!
As I said (or tried to), everything about it is disgusting but, on reflection, I should have made a point of praising the Scottish Parliament for its humanity and true support for the people of Israel – despite the haters and, if I’m not mistaken, disturbing threats.
Harry Burns speech –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5XbtyhwTIo
@stuart mctavish says:28 November, 2023 at 2:33 pm
you’re already calling for some one else’s to do it (to it’s people’s detriment and potential eternal damnation, no less) and you’re not even involved
Oh FFS, you an aw.
Is this a Scottish Indy thing? This constant misrepresentation of what posters write? Is this the mainspring of the Indy movement – lies, lying and liars?
For clarity, Stuart, provide an example of me calling for somebody to murder innocents.
I try very hard to not get wound up on here, but you’ve crossed a line.
So provide your evidence, withdraw your statement, or get tae flying feck.
@
Brian Doonthetoon
Thanks so much, Brian.
Have you watched it?
BDT – thanks a lot for posting the Harry Burns speech.
Verse two.
Poor old Angus he looks frazzled,
Plagued by all that Salmond strife.
By a witch he was bedazzled,
Haunted now by rumours rife.
Seems that now if he could pick it
He would choose a different ticket.
Backed a dud who launched a try-on,
Now his bed has nails to lie on,
Punching holes in peaceful life.
James Che says on 28 November 2023 at 12:44 pm: “Is anyone else having issues with their comments going through today?”
Nope! But i did run in to some issues yesterday, mid to late afternoon. While on WOS i was getting just the background with everything else disappearing any time i tried to refresh the page.
Also, i could not access the articles/btl comments at one stage. And that was just right after submitting some comments of my own. Ended up just giving up and left the site until now.
There’s been a serious delay in comments loading for several months now. But yesterday’s problems were a new experience. Initially thought it may have been something at my end but it would appear several folk were experiencing problems.
All seems OK so far today though. Having said that, i am experiencing a slight delay when, for example, i click on a word to “spell check”. It seems to take forever to go through and disappear from my screen. No idea if the cause is with WOS or something at my end.
We have at least 3 decades of wave and tidal power systems that have come to nothing.
It is horrendously expensive, unreliable and only comes close to paying off in the most inhospitable regions.
The more we transit to these, the higher the costs of everything else that uses energy, the less cash to do other things, and the more Asia eats our lunch.
Look at the prices being offered for these technologies, if they were viable, people would be biting the arm off the government.
Even if we design them here, our energy cost of production, our complete lack of appropriate steel making, the utter farce of our shipyards, means you would need your head felt to base them here.
NetZero is nothing but cold and poverty.
So Dan doesn’t think we should move construction materials by road to build railways. Or run electric vehicles because of the alleged horrors of lithium mining.
Have you heard the one about omelettes and breaking eggs, Dan?
I am increasingly horrified at the takeover of BTL on Wings by blood and soilers, climate deniers and various varieties of tinfoil helmet afficionados. If this is the true face of what is left of the indy movement then god help us.
Sam – Harry Burns
Thanks for the links. Heard of him but never listened to him before.
James Che @1.20pm.
The Scottish government isn’t interested in pushing to build social housing, Scotland has become like its larger neighbour especially in London and the South East, the idea is that the fewer social homes there are the higher house prices remain.
In Glasgow, my home town, planners can easily buy land to build students flats, students are mainly transient and they don’t really care about the areas they live in. Housing associations just can’t compete with those building firms that can pay more cash and grease more palms along the way, the consequences of this is that many people who cannot afford to buy a house can’t even rent one either because they can’t get on a housings waiting list, and private renting is just daylight robbery.
There must be thousands of homeless folk just in Glasgow alone never mind the rest of Scotland, they’ll be sofa surfing, living with friends and relatives in homeless units or using all their income on a private let.
We have a small population in Scotland yet many, many Scots are homeless, its a f*ckin disgrace if you ask me. On this matter Labour were a disgrace in office, and we thought the SNP would be better, we thought wrong.
@John Main
It’s implicit in everything you’ve written supporting the bombing of Palestine – I don’t even need to look that far up the current thread to find your ‘whatever it takes’ line that alludes to it.
Fine by me if you deny that that’s your true stance (you’ve got another post on the thread criticising the writer when their message is misunderstood which might help you understand why)
ScotsRenewables,
I’m sure Dan can speak for himself but I think his point is that Scotland isn’t being net zero, as we would just be displacing where the carbon footprint impacts but with added fossil fuel impact through the energy used in manufacture and delivery.
Why the UK PM Rishi Sunak wouldn’t call for a ceasefire on the oppressed Palestinians in Gaza, and why he’s 100% behind the Israel.
“Although Sunak has not formally declared that his relatives have specific shareholdings in Infosys, the arrangement has been well publicised.
Less highlighted is Sunak’s family profiting from a business that has appointed Israeli military intelligence veterans to senior positions.
If his relatives were making money from businesses managed in part by former Russian or Chinese spies, then there might be more of an outcry.
Sunak did face criticism over his in-laws profiting from Infosys when the firm was still operating in Russia, at a time when the PM was urging British business to boycott Moscow over its invasion of Ukraine.
But because Israel is an ally of the UK, despite illegally occupying parts of Palestine and Syria, the connections are unlikely to cause him political problems in Westminster.”
https://www.declassifieduk.org/no-outcry-over-rishi-sunaks-family-investments-in-israel/
Ooops! Spoke too soon. Now getting same problems i got around this time yesterday on WOS. When i try to refresh the page i’m getting: “ERROR 503, SERVICE UNAVAILABLE” OR everything but the background is disappearing from my screen. Very strange! Never encountered these problems before, prior to yesterday.
If anyone on Twitter (X) is experiencing these problems will you please let Stuart know via his X account. I can’t because i’m not on social media. Cheers!
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer!
@stuart mctavish says:28 November, 2023 at 4:18 pm
It’s implicit in everything you’ve written supporting the bombing of Palestine
Is it though?
Here’s a quote from the post you are referring to:
A compromise solution exists. It includes all Israeli and other nationality hostages released, all Palestinian prisoners released, all tunnels destroyed, all bombardments stopped, all illegal West Bank settlements destroyed.
It requires both sides, who are both sworn before their respective deities to eliminate the other from the face of the Earth, to renounce their vows. Now that’s difficult, but maybes not quite impossible.
It requires Iran to back down. Again, difficult, but maybes not quite impossible.
Is that implicit then, or maybes explicit? See the line:
all bombardments stopped
Is that how I call for the murder of innocents? Is that me supporting the bombing of Palestine?
What’s wrong with you?
@Breastplate says:28 November, 2023 at 4:20 pm
displacing where the carbon footprint impacts but with added fossil fuel impact through the energy used in manufacture and delivery
It’s been a winning formula for 30 years, so will be hard to give up now.
All that clean air and water we enjoy in Scotland, paid for by exporting our manufacturing pollution and environmental destruction to third world countries.
Those cheap, plentiful manufactured goods – probably churned out in third-world sweatshop conditions.
Those electronic devices we use to virtue signal our concerns for human rights on sites like this one – perhaps assembled by low wage drones brutalised by poor conditions and onerous production targets, while their governments force entire ethnic groups into re-education camps.
And the thing that generally grinds my gears – a lot of the imported tat is poor quality, short lifespan, not repairable, and therefore destined for early landfill.
@ Breastplate
Aye, Scotsrenewables is clearly such a smart arse that he manages to completely miss the point I was making and then try to twist it into something else. Truly a swigger of the full fat kool-aid that one.
Strange he’d choose to go down the path of trying to tarnish me as some sort of science or climate denier when plenty folk are fully aware that I’ve pointed out numerous times btl that Scotland’s own rail network is only electrified as far North as Dunblane and therefore requires the use of diesel powered propulsion units to travel further North.
If as he states Scotland has the expertise to go more eco sustainable then why the fuck aren’t all our trains all powered by the glut of renewable power we generate here.
The crap sticking plaster fix I hear for this is to just electrify sections of track to be used as charging sections, and run battery powered locomotive propulsion units.
So yay, rather than just build an electrified network and equipment, we’ll compromise ourselves by requiring some kind of hybrid adaption.
Like wise for years I have advocated for properly insulating as many of Scotland’s properties as we can and just using the energy produced by renewables and fed into nearly every building in Scotland to heat our homes in a reliable and quiet way. And not piss away millions of quid on shite ASHP and solar PV installations on wholly unsuitable properties.
And these examples again prove my point, we don’t have the expertise in positions of influence and power to do what needs to be done. Because the civil service, lobby groups, and politicians are so fucking dense we always seem to end up with and paying for a great deal of seriously flawed crap.
Verse three.
Harvie going at full throttle
Pushing all his trans-ient stuff.
Poor old Lorna’s lost her bottle,
Found the going far too tough.
Fergus desperately wishing
That they’ll take their hands off fishing.
Stopping dualling, saving money,
That’s just not remotely funny,
Like us all he’s had enough.
Good grief, the SNP-Brits are the gits that keep on giving. These SNP-soon-coming-defeat-deniers are the reason the the SNP is sinking and dying.
Dan @ 17.23.
Yet again another of your common sense posts somehow just depresses me, Dan. Not because what you say is anything I disagree with, but because it’s both practical and doable. And yet, looking around Scotland after some 16 years of SNP (mis)rule it just seems that we’re breeding our own Scottish type of professional, political parasite. And if they can’t even tell the difference between men and women I’d say, in my own mother tongue, “we’re gubbed”.
Hi Sam.
Harry Burns.
I have it in a tab to watch later.
Aye, “there’s nothing going on…”
http://robinmcalpine.org/the-push-to-privatise-scotlands-nhs-was-launched-today-dont-listen/
As the UK of which Scotland is a part of follows this (US) economic model, we can see where its already heading.
Deaton is a Scotsman born in Edinburgh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Deaton
https://nitter.net/BenjaminNorton
“Some mainstream economists are slowly waking up to reality. This is from a new book by Princeton’s Nobel Prize-winning neoclassical economist Angus Deaton:
Free-market fundamentalists’ “utopian rhetoric about freedom has led to an unjust social dystopia” in the US, run by a rich “extractive elite”.
“Workers’ losses are sacrificed to the greater ‘justice’ of the efficient market… The excesses are not abnormalities but are exactly how we would expect unregulated markets to work, especially when capital has the law and politics on its side”.
“It is not so surprising that free markets, or at least free markets with a government that permits and encourages rent seeking by the rich, should produce not equality but an extractive elite that predates on the population at large”.
“I have come to understand the extent to which state and federal government in the United States often work, not to protect ordinary people but to help rich predators make ordinary people poorer”
@ Merganser: I’m enjoying your poetry. Keep going! 🙂
Rev, Wings site has been frequently not responding/not available since about 5.00 p.m. today.
Is it just here in Wester Ross or are others having the same problem?
@John Main
I don’t think ‘no killing of innocents if and only if..’ is quite the not saying what I think you were saying argument you’re trying hard to imply but happy to let it slide based on your evident discomfort.
It was not my intention to wind you up over it, sorry.
Dan,
taxation in the U.K. is at its highest level since 1948, and (given some extra taxation powers in Scotland) already exceeding 1948 levels in Scotland.
The NHS isn’t working. Given that, it’s either raise more tax or introduce a different model. Unless the choice is to do neither, in which case the service will get even worse than it currently is.
Do people want to pay more tax? Or do they want to take out insurance which they know will be spent on them, if they need it. The experience across the western world is that people largely prefer to take out insurance for themselves, rather than pay taxes for everybody. The top ten (in terms of health outcomes per money invested in the system) are all insurance-based.
(France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Japan, Canada, South Korea, Australia, Spain, Denmark)
Dan.
Yip Robin McAlpine is correct Paul Gray was on the Scottish news pushing the privatisation agenda, Prof Andrew Elder, the president of the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh is also pushing it on the BBC Scotland news website.
@Dan 6:27
I read it. I thought it was piss poor.
Here’s a wee quote:
“Co-payment means paying a chunk of your own treatment. It’ll cost you dearly. What I never hear explain is why that is preferable to raising tax. Is there a reason that we should tax people massively when they get ill to avoid taxing them very moderately all the time?”
Well … taking the argument that people know best how to spend their own money, a savvy taxpayer might use their extra disposable income to fund better food and a healthier lifestyle, and thus not get ill.
But that’s not an argument that will convince the narrow minded and I accept that. So here’s the clincher.
The NHS is broken, so work out how much extra tax is needed to fix it, put the figures to the voting public, see who is willing to take the extra fiscal hit. Heck, sort out housing and social care at the same time. It amounts to X extra pence taxation in the pound. Run it up the flagpole, see who salutes.
What I never hear explained is the numbers needed. I and no doubt every savvy reader on here understands just why that is, so let’s not keep on pretending that it’s all down to central government.
If it was popular to raise taxes to fully fund the NHS, it would have been done long since. It’s deeply unpopular, and no government dare put it on a manifesto, cos it’s a sure-fire vote loser. And so we are where we are.
Thanks Sarah. Verse four for you.
Dressed like clowns with scarves and banners
SNP think they’re so cool.
Sadly they have fewer manners
Than a first year infant school.
Shona says “I beg your pardon,
I’m still in the kindergarten”.
Nodding donkeys, clapping seals,
See them doing dodgy deals,
Taking all of us for fools
I am certain that everyone would willingly pay more tax to fund the NHS.
Of course if we had an Oil and Renewable Energy Fund then it would pay for a decent NHS.
@stuart mctavish says:28 November, 2023 at 6:54 pm
Thanks for your response.
I’m sure we are both fully agreed on the hope the ceasefire extends indefinitely.
@sarah says:28 November, 2023 at 7:18 pm
I am certain that everyone would willingly pay more tax to fund the NHS
It’s always been an easy proposition to prove or disprove.
It just needs a national party to write in its manifesto: “Vote for us and we will increase taxes by [X], ringfenced for spending on the NHS”.
Heck the SNP could do it, to revive their fortunes. Or Alba, to make that breakthrough at the polls.
And yet …
@ ASA
You seem to be a bit limited in suggesting possible options there. Why so binary, or do you lack the ability to even consider tweaking the systems we already have in place so it improves efficiencies and outcomes?
People pay taxes which are put towards a great many things, eg, health service provision, your beloved military and their warring endeavors, or even just for Tories spaffing millions away in dubious contracts to their mates for (not) supplying Covid PPE.
There are should one choose to look, some pretty fucking big ways that existing revenue allocation and expenditure could be altered to better fund and focus on the delivery of services that taxpayers actually want.
If you are for low taxes and folk making their own way, then can you please explain to us plebs why so many of your fellow Tories seem so hell bent on grabbing taxpayers’ cash through all sorts of schemes and subsidies. Or are they just feckless subsidy junkies that lack the fortitude to actually put in some worthy graft for a reasonable level of remuneration.
Dan,
I’m not a Tory. Voted for them once or twice, but I won’t now they’ve become left wingers who have upped taxation to the highest level since 1948. I won’t vote for any other party, either. Taxation and the size of the state has become ridiculous.
I agree with you on cutting expenditure. I would start by zeroing out foreign aid, the Barnett formula entirely, much of universal credit, and restricting the NHS to life-saving and emergency services only. In return, I’d give the devolved administrations Devo to the max, less foreign policy and defence. Give them full tax raising powers to cancel out my proposed savings, or even increase the spending in those areas.
I suspect there would be a flood of the responsible taxpayers in Scotland, Wales and NI into England, balanced out by the tax consumers leaving England to head to the devolved administrations.
It might be your fastest route to Indy. But Geri wouldn’t let them vote, if they weren’t born in Scotland. ?
@A Scot Abroad says:28 November, 2023 at 6:56 pm
One of the advantages of an insurance-based health care system is that it incentivises citizens to look after themselves. If they take simple steps, such as keeping their weight down, regular exercise, being careful around the junk food, ciggies and drams, then they pay lower premiums.
With the NHS, free at the point of demand, that incentive disappears, and thus you end up with more of a National Lifestyle Service than a Health Service, because a lot of the health problems are due to lifestyle choices.
In reality, it’s going to end up a hybrid system. The better off will pay for private care – the safety net of the NHS will remain for those with no money.
It’s sad, but instructive to see how the best schemes are destroyed by the law of unintended consequences. One of the arguments advanced at the founding of the NHS was that the need for it would wither away over time. As the population was made healthier and fitter, demand for medical provision would decline to near nothing.
Happy, innocent days!
@Dan 7:32
If you were thinking straight you would see that a low tax economy contains much less “fat” for feckless subsidy junkies to extract from the public purse via schemes, subsidies, dubious contracts, etc.
Looks to me like you are nearly on the same side as ASA there. Careful!
BBC propaganda platform in Scotland rolling out the ‘Scottish NHS is pish’ routine. And quoting another “ex chief”, with an axe to grind, to support their line of attack.
Yes, most of us know the SNHS needs, for want of a better word, revamped. They could start by appointing the appropriate brains to run things, not employing overweight figureheads syphoning-off fat salaries and a load of free lunches.
Only a clown would claim the SNHS doesn’t need a complete root-and-branch overhaul. But does anyone else notice that the BritNat media *NEVER* puts any of its current condition down to decades upon decades of underfunding and poor governance stemming WAAAAAAAY back long before the pretendy Holyrood opened?
And notice how they *NEVER* attribute any of its situation to deteriorating while under the stewardship of the person they are quoting? In this instance it’s a “Professor Paul Gray”. I smelt the usual stench of shite when i read this BBC text article so i did a quick shoogle on Google into this “professor”.
There’s an array of info on this ‘picture of health’. Here’s just a couple of the articles. I’ll leave others to form their own judgements on him, and the timing of all this.
https://events.holyrood.com/speaker/paul-gray/
https://archive.is/5iZJB#
https://civilservicecommission.independent.gov.uk/meet-the-commissioners-paul-gray/
https://archive.is/al3wl
No one needs to pay more taxes to fund the NHS.
We’ve already funded it.
It needs the waste & failure stripped away from it.
The endless fat cat salaries for middle mediocre management & invent a job attitude.
Sam/Brian thanks so much for the link to Harry Burns.
I’ve heard a lot from Philippa Whitford lectures along the same theme regards health inequality & poor outcomes.
She proposed along the same lines. Work that pays & start to invest in our young ppl to get off the route to failure.
As she often said during her excellent lectures there is nothing that needs fixing with privatisation.
Remove funding failure & invest in prevention.
Cheers for the link. I’ve added it to my subs. I’ll be sure to listen to more of his lectures.
Dan, just seen your comment upthread at 6:27 pm. See my comment on one of them behind this push. To be quite honest with you, i had expected far far more of this to be happening while there’s the biggest bunch of incompetents imaginable sitting in Holyrood. The path of least resistance springs to mind.
What would help the NHS and many other public services is creating “wellness”.
Watch and listen to Harry Burns. Link is up the thread.
In what nightmare is the Tory party left wing?
Main
Under your beloved Union & the Tories – the ill health of the Victorian era is back with a vengeance.
Living in squalid conditions in housing not fit for purpose also adds to the old favourites making a return.
Sam
“In what nightmare is the Tory party left wing?”
LOL!
Exactly..
Meant to say, Professor Paul Gray is also on X (Twitter) as: PAG1962 – Paul Gray. Folk might get a better debate/conversation out of this with him on Twitter?
John Main said, at 1:33pm;
“A democratic majority within the political entity that joined the EU (the UK) voted to leave.”
No, they didn’t! It was an undemocratic majority, because it completely ignored the constitutional basis of the Union, and as a result it abusively denied the sovereignty of the Scots and their entire kingdom.
This is exactly the same unconstitutional and unrepresentative bollocks that lets England’s MPs ‘outvote’ Scotland’s MPs, despite England’s MPs representing only one sovereign Treaty partner, and Scotland’s MPs representing an entirely different sovereign Treaty partner.
Each of the two groups explicitly represents the interests of their parent kingdom while negotiating the joint governance of both. Think of both groups as ambassadors of two sovereign countries, negotiating mini-treaties with the other every day in the same chamber.
In that context, which is the real one, it is patently ludicrous to demand that one country’s ambassadors must defer to the other country’s ambassadors, just because the other country has more ambassadors. Each group of ambassadors answers solely to its own parent kingdom, and not at all to the other groups’ kingdom, and not at all to the other group’s majorities.
The UK is not the single unitary entity it claims to be, it only presents that face to the rest of the world. Internally, and constitutionally, it is two kingdoms sharing joint governance of their two peoples and territories, and neither has ANY authority over the other.
As with the UK’s MPs, the UK’s electorate embodies/represents two distinct sovereign kingdoms, with no overlap. It is not a single homogenous population, it is two distinctly different populations. One of those populations owns the sovereignty of their country and kingdom, the other owns no sovereignty at all, and neither of these populations is entitled to force any decisions on the other. Democratically, they cannot sensibly be treated as a single population.
The correct democratic majority was of the TWO member kingdoms of the Union, and NO majority was returned, as one kingdom’s electorate voted Leave, and the other’s electorate voted Remain. The two partners of the Union produced a Mexican stand-off.
“The fundamental fact that no government can bind its successor was in play.”
What about the fundamental fact that no sovereign entity can bind its successor, or indeed any other sovereign entity? When does that come into play?
Brian
Re Google.
Thanks. I’m posting from a device & the Google homepage has a hyperlink to Wings. I usually click that to get here but it’s just a white page sometimes.
Sam
That may also explain you trying to post YouTube links. They fly into moderation if you don’t post them right. This site rejects them. I can’t post YouTube links either as they’re generated by an app & not regular links so they get rejected too.
If Brian is about maybe he could link ‘Phillipa Whitford Hamilton speech September 12th’
To listen to her talk on SNHS a week out from indyref vote..whaaa & all they are planning in England NHS.
James Che @ 2.17 pm 28 Nov writes: “I would like to presume who actual translates the old pictish language to mean Gaelic or Northumbrian English as there is not much written evidence of the old Pictish launguage”
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Hi James.
I would with respect refer you back to my above post at 1.07 pm 28 Nov for substantiating quotes. It is established that what is now called “Scots” arose from Northumbrian English and that it has zero connection with Celtic Pictish. For further background on Pictish please have a look at the Wikipedia sites for ‘Pictish Language’ and for ‘Picts’.
Any locally collected unusual terms from old folk are most likely words gradually being lost to Doric. It is very highly unlikely these would be Pictish terms (other than already well known Pictish borrowings via Gaelic, ie “pit”, “aber”, “davoch/doch” etc). It is certainly possible that other Doricised Gaelic words could be out there: “Inverey was the home of Jean Bain, the last known speaker of Aberdeenshire Gaelic, who died at Ardoch, near Crathie in 1984.” (‘Gaelic verse from Aberdeenshire’ – research by Alison Mary Grant Diack.)
Further regarding the identity and relationship of Pictish and Gaelic, here are a few extracts from Michael Newton’s ‘Handbook of the Scottish Gaelic World’ (Four Courts Press Ltd, 2000):
“It is important to get a sense of the Celtic foundations of Scotland to understand the continuing influence of those persistents in Scottish life. All of Scotland was once Celtic — Brittonic south of the Clyde-Forth line, and Pictish and Gaelic north of it. The Picts, until recently, were treated as a people shrouded in mystery, and much wishful thinking driven by anti-Celtic prejudice attempted to give the Picts a non-Celtic identity. Research on their place-names, personal names, artefacts and practices, however, show them to be Celtic.’ (p 36)
“The term ‘Pict’ first appears in a Roman source in AD 297, already associating them with the Gaels. We don’t know if the tribes of northern Scotland called themselves ’Picts’ or if this was a name given by the Romans to them. […] While our information is fragmentary, there is no suggestion that the Picts were fundamentally any different from their southern Celtic neighbours, a fact that a propagandist like Tacitus would not have missed.” (p 43)
“The evidence shows that there was no wholesale slaughter of Picts or massive invasion of Gaels, but a long process of cultural assimilation, in which the two peoples came together as a Gaelic kingdom built upon a wider Celtic foundation.” (p 45)
“Europe’s first international human rights treaty, Cáin Adamnáin, ‘The Law of the Innocents’, was penned by Adomnán, an abbot of Iona and a nobleman of the Cenél Conaill dynasty. This law, which protected women, children and clergy from the ravages of war, was ratified in 697 by the kings of the Picts, of the Dál Riatic Scots, of the Strathclyde Britons, and of many Irish kingdoms, and the law took effect in both Scotland and Ireland.” (p 46)
“The Latin learning of Christendom found an early home among the Gaels, no doubt because they already had well-developed native institutions of learning. Classical learning was soon translated into vernacular Gaelic and instigated an era of intense intellectual activity. A seventh-century scholar composed a grammar for Gaelic and a ninth-century scholar compiled an etymological dictionary, the first for any vernacular European language. For at least a century in the early Middle Ages, Gaeldom’s learning surpassed anything to be found in England, Italy, or France, and pupils came in flocks to imbibe it, learning Gaelic to do so [Cf J.E. Caewyn Williams & Patrick Ford]. Gaelic is one of only four languages — besides Arabic, Greek, and Latin — in which the learned medical tracts of medieval Europe were written.” (pp 227, 228)
@Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh
I’m impressed by your knowledge of the subject. Is this link that I put up earlier of value?
https://education.gov.scot/resources/history-of-scots/
Sam @ 9.10 pm 28 Nov writes: “Is this link that I put up earlier of value?”
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Hi Sam,
Yes of course, it is very much of value with its accurately informative info and an excellently presented YouTube survey. The main reason I repeatedly find myself on Wings (and on other sites) writing about Scottish language is the constant need to correct Alf Baird’s incessant and intolerable misinformation that Scots is Pictish and that Gaelic is alien. Alf needs to get his head sorted on this matter. The educational material on your linked site alone disproves him:
« The Scots Language came into being – and came into its own – during the Middle Ages. It was at this time that what had been a northern variety of the Anglo-Saxon (or Old English) language developed into Scots as we know it, and took over from Gaelic as the main language of the monarchs, nobles and peasants of Lowland Scotland. By about the year 1450, Scots had taken over from Latin as the main language for all official documents and literature in Scotland as well. […] The Scots language in the medieval period was especially rich and expressive, and became increasingly and markedly different from English as time went on. Yet it wasn’t until 1494 that we have the first records of writers referring to their own language as ‘Scots’. Up to this point, the language continued to be known as ‘Inglis’. »
Xaracen,
still posting nonsense about Scotland and England being co-equal?
Nobody but you believes it. You’ve made it up. Just inventing a fantasy doesn’t make it reality.
Ass
Can you point us to where the Act of Union & Claim of Right officially ended?
If you can’t it’s you that’s talking nonsense because everyone knows the treaty exists & everyone knows it came with the claim of right.
Scotland is a sovereign nation.
You are not a Scot. Why pretend to be one on here?
Even yer world view & outlook isn’t Scottish either.
Meanwhile, back in the real world and not Indy fantasy, ScotGov have today published a consultation for legislation that would force home buyers to rip out a gas or oil boiler and replace it with an air source heat pump within two years of purchase.
(From the Daily Telegraph website:)
“Patrick Harvie, a Scottish Green minister, published a consultation on a new Heating in Buildings Bill aimed at drastically cutting greenhouse gases from homes and business premises.
The blueprint said people buying property should be forced to comply with a “prohibition on polluting heating” so that Scotland could reach its “interim targets” for reducing emissions by 2030.
They would have to make the switch to green forms of heating, such as heat pumps, within a “specified amount of time” following their purchase.
The main consultation document said ministers “think between two and five years is likely to be appropriate” but other assessments published alongside it said “likely two years”.”
The documents state that the plan would cost up to £33 billion, of which there would be £1.8 billion in government grants. So that’s only another £31 billion for Scots to find down the back of the sofa.
Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh @ 8:53 pm
Languages are influenced through interactions between peoples, and both the Gaelic and Scots languages (or English for that matter) are no exception. The important aspect in indigenous language development is that the language is developed by the fowk and in the laund wha aye speak whit thay ken as thair ain mither tongue.
The more important difference between Gaelic and Scots today lies in the way the British state and its agencies treats them. Gaelic since 2005 has a Gaelic Language Act, whilst Scots does not have any such act or authority. The reason for this disgraceful discrimination against the Scots language has never been satisfactorily explained.
Why should the British state so favour one indigenous language over another? My contention is that this is due to their fear of the consequences, with language helping form our identity; our language tells us who we are.
Re Alf Baird @ 8.53
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No dissent from me on anything you said there, Alf.
Michael Sheen is another excellent speaker on Welsh identity, language & its importance.
Sam, Brian, Sarah – Re Harry Burns and Wellness
I was aware of all the individual things he talks about: life expectancy, illness rates, the effects of deindustrialisation, drugs, suicide, crime. But it’s the way he connects them to be all parts of a whole pattern which makes him interesting. And he has a coherent plan, which reminds me of the Surestart strategy in 1990’s that I watched operating in deindustrialised north-east England.
A lot of places are starved of community resources now eg youth workers, community centres, swimming baths etc, so that people can’t make social connections and get informal social education. I think this has an exacerbating effect on health issues.
The Act(s) of Union haven’t ended. Nobody is asserting that they have.
The Claim of Right has become irrelevant under the Union. That may not have been the original intention, but it’s a fact in practice. The Scots cannot use it to overrule a united crown, and they cannot use it to overrule a U.K. parliament. That’s why, under the union, it’s irrelevant.
I’m as Scottish as anyone here, I’d suggest. Just because my views don’t coincide with your’s isn’t enough to disqualify me. Even under your own criteria of place of birth, I would be able to vote in an IndyRef. I can prove my birthplace in Ayr, I can prove that I pay taxes in Scotland and have done continuously for 30 years, I can prove a residence in Scotland. The fact that I don’t actually live in Scotland is just a minor matter easily sorted by re-registering my vote from Norfolk to Edinburgh.
@ MaryB: “A lot of places are starved of community resources now…I think this has an exacerbating effect on health issues.”
Exactly. And what drives me mad is the fact that it is unnecessary. Our society was organised so that there were council owned facilities – swimming pools, sports pitches, libraries, galleries for socialisation and fitness, plus convalescent homes, almshouses/old folks homes to meet other health/age-related needs.
Now so much is privatised and the same facilities cost a huge amount more or don’t exist at all.
With Scotland withdrawn from the Union we could re-organise our systems to provide what is needed. “Prosperity to Scotland and No Union” applies now just as it did in 1715. Scotland will never prosper as part of the Union.
“John Main says…”
How would you qualify, describe or define “feckless subsidy junkies”?
**The Claim of Right has become irrelevant under the Union. That may not have been the original intention, but it’s a fact in practice. The Scots cannot use it to overrule a united crown, and they cannot use it to overrule a U.K. parliament. That’s why, under the union, it’s irrelevant.**
So, as predicted, you can’t.
It’s just the ramblings of your own opinion.
Scotland can withdraw it’s consent to the union & it’s consent to the crown.
At any time of its choosing.
It’s a voluntary & the crown is by the consent of the Scottish people. Do you understand what that means?
We never agreed to be consumed into one nation. It never happened. No matter what saucery you like to spin.
The UK is TWO sovereign kingdoms.
TWO crowns.
TWO territories.
Neither was ever, ever extinguished.
You are not Scottish. No Scot would ever demote it’s own country’s status.
& News just in, you can’t transfer votes. The electoral roll won’t have you as a resident. Have you told the 77th brigade you plan on committing electoral fraud?
I don’t think it’ll matter anyway. I think the Union will be terminated by ending the treaty of Union. It’s broken the terms & that instantly renders the contract void.
A Scot Abroad says:
28 November, 2023 at 10:59 pm
The Act(s) of Union haven’t ended. Nobody is asserting that they have.
The Claim of Right has become irrelevant under the Union. That may not have been the original intention, but it’s a fact in practice. The Scots cannot use it to overrule a united crown, and they cannot use it to overrule a U.K. parliament. That’s why, under the union, it’s irrelevant.
That is a lot of assertions in just one paragraph.
Has any of these these been tested/found?
Is practise a fact, or are you just leaning on the genetic fallacy?
I’m as Scottish as anyone here, I’d suggest. Just because my views don’t coincide with your’s isn’t enough to disqualify me. Even under your own criteria of place of birth, I would be able to vote in an IndyRef. I can prove my birthplace in Ayr, I can prove that I pay taxes in Scotland and have done continuously for 30 years, I can prove a residence in Scotland. The fact that I don’t actually live in Scotland is just a minor matter easily sorted by re-registering my vote from Norfolk to Edinburgh.
Good for you, and the red white and blue!
CUNTS everywhere Rev, I’ll check back-in-here later, maybe next week.
Below the line works better without me NOW, in this time and place.
Crackin’, I’m now learning the ways of X.
Geri,
as ever, more lunacy from you. Scotland can do the square root of naff all unilaterally without a democratic event. Can’t withdraw its consent to the union, and can’t withdraw its assent to the crown. There needs to be that democratic event first.
And there ain’t such a democratic event on anyone’s 10 year horizon. That’s a good thing, because there’s nobody at all in Scotland, including the ridiculous Salmond, who’s even close to being competent to deliver an iScotland that the world won’t laugh at and just ignore.
Who says? YOU?
A sovereign nation can end any treaty it likes. That’s the whole point of them being Sovereign.
They end & terminate treaties all over the world.
Scotland never agreed your one nation pish. Ever.
So stop spouting bullshit it’s subservient & needs permission.
It doesn’t.
It can terminate any time it likes & it doesn’t need your wee rigged vote to do it.
Geri,
I think we all get that you are a bear of extremely limited brain, but you’ve missed out the operative part of the argument: there needs to be a democratic event before Scotland does anything. If there ain’t, then there ain’t going to be any interest by anyone else in the world in even vaguely recognising the result. And unless it’s done under extant law, no supra-national organisation such as the UN, EU, WTO, IMF, etc is even going to give it the time of day.
And nobody is proposing such a democratic event. Not the SNP, nor any other party. Nobody is even proposing your franchise of 50%+1 of pure Scots-born.
It doesn’t matter how much you howl into the bottom of your glass and throw the table full of empty Buckies at the wall. You don’t decide. You don’t get to decide the timing, franchise, question, or anything else.
Re SBA
“I’m as Scottish as anyone here, I’d suggest. Just because my views don’t coincide with your’s isn’t enough to disqualify me. Even under your own criteria of place of birth, I would be able to vote in an IndyRef. I can prove my birthplace in Ayr, I can prove that I pay taxes in Scotland and have done continuously for 30 years, I can prove a residence in Scotland. The fact that I don’t actually live in Scotland is just a minor matter easily sorted by re-registering my vote from Norfolk to Edinburgh.”
As Scottish as any one here = Aye Fuckin Right.
How does performing fellatio for your English Tory voting neighbors taste?
Dont ever return to Scotland as you aren’t welcome.
Again,
Who says the won’t? YOU?
The UK has no empire anymore. They have zero clout in the world. They’re out in the cold since Brexshit without a pot to piss in.
Out of the EU & out of the ICJ.
Scotland, on the other hand, is a sovereign nation & is being denied a lawful democratic process while it’s territory & resources are being stolen.
It has ever right to terminate a treaty.
It’s a sovereign nation. It doesn’t need to have a ref if it doesn’t want one. What you gonna do about it? Get on yer ham radio?
Too right Iain.
The only plastic English I know of in Ayr are the loyalist nomads over by boat.
Clinging to England for survival as they’ve no country of their own.
I’d wager this eejit arrived by P&O ferries ..LOL
Gobbling off about English rule like an eejit.
Geri,
unless you can prove that 50%+1 of Scottish residents with a legal vote are on your side, Scotland ain’t going nowhere or declaring anything.
Ian More,
I’ll continue my visits and with my interests in Scotland as I see fit. Whoever you are, I don’t need your welcome, nor your permission.
Again…
For the third time. Who says? You?
What do you know what the outside world will or won’t accept?
Scotland has a treaty that can be demonstrated to have been broken on numerous occasions.
What’s little England going to do about it? Ask for hauners? & Who would that be exactly? They bastardised every country they set foot in I hardly think they’ll get a clambering of support from anywhere?
They gonna do a P*tin?
We already see how the world reacts to a bully boy neighbour eh?
Scotland never gave up it’s territory & sovereignty, pal.
Get used to it.
& you can forget about rigged refs & elections.
rUK flooding Scotland has blown that route.
Scotland shall be calling a convention of the Estates.
& It’ll be a convention that’ll be ending the treaty properly. That’s what sovereign countries do.
They don’t go cap in hand to another country or run rigged *domestic* refs & elections.
Tick tock…
England can’t erase Scots sovereignty.
England can’t erase the claim of right.
England can’t erase Scotlands territory.
England can’t erase Scotlands sea boundaries.
England can’t impose a foreign crown.
England cannot stop an equal partner ending a treaty.
& Neither can anyone else.
England has no powers here. They can live in their imaginary one unilateral state pish all they like. It’s not reality & no one ever agreed to it either or we’d be Northern England by now..
We’re not.
Have a nice Christmas in the Union. We pray God it’s our last LOL
@Derek says:28 November, 2023 at 11:27 pm
How would you qualify, describe or define “feckless subsidy junkies”?
Dinna ask me, Derek.
It’s Dan’s phrase. See his post at 7:32.
@Geri says …
Help! I can’t sleep!
There’s naething oan the box!
Anither patient who’s escaped fae the Asylum
@Xaracen says:28 November, 2023 at 8:41 pm
Each of the two groups explicitly represents the interests of their parent kingdom while negotiating the joint governance of both. Think of both groups as ambassadors of two sovereign countries, negotiating mini-treaties with the other every day in the same chamber
Don’t worry – I get it.
I’m even prepared to accept it as the initial constitutional basis for the Union Of The Parliaments.
But as you know, it has been overruled by precedent for a couple of centuries now, and that’s a lot of precedent.
Specifically WRT the EU, I can agree that Scotland & England should both have negotiated accession treaties. These treaties would have had three major subsections; 1) the rules for the UK; 2) the rules for Scotland if England left; 3) the rules for England if Scotland left.
If it had all been set up right, then England could have sailed off into the sunset, and we would be “fat & happy on the loving bosoms of our European brethren” (haha, I crack me up).
Ain’t hindsight a wonderful thing?
But, we joined the Common Market as the UK, so that is how we had to leave. Precedent again.
It stands to reason that the T’s & C’s the world’s sixth largest economy got will be quite different to the T’s & C’s the nicest, wee country in the world will get, but the EUphiles don’t want anybody to cotton on to that sad fact.
Cos then we Sovereign Scots will run a mile.
Anyhoo, if you can think of a workable, practical, realistic process for unwinding those centuries of constitutional precedent and getting us back to the original constitutional basis of the Union, please explain it on here. Thanks.
I suspect it will be something like May’s “taking back control” where the H of C just passed into UK law every damn EU statute. And thus nothing whatsoever changed. Our Sovereign Scottish Government will just pass into Scottish law every damn UK piece of legislation for the past 3 centuries, and thus nothing whatsoever will change.
What other choice will they have? Seriously?
@John Main
“.. because a lot of the health problems are due to lifestyle choices.”
Just dead wrong. And wrong at the top of your voice.
Harry Burns knows so much more than you about this and he says so.
If you want to learn something of value watch the Youtube video upthread.
I have a notion you might even like the experience of seeing someone Scottish with enormous insight, whose detective work in social science has attracted widespread attention.
@Sarah
Not just you, I was having problems with the site last night. After reading the comments if I refreshed I would get a blank white screen or an Error 503 message. Same if I tried to click on the links to the right.
@sam says:29 November, 2023 at 8:15 am
Seriously Sam?
Lifestyle choices have no effect on health?
I sure hope you don’t get a Peleton or FitBit for Xmas, or even get told to spread Flora on your toast
[posted at the top of my voice]
Seriously though, Sam, if I post the sky is blue, you will turn up to claim that, naw, it’s green.
Get a fecking grip.
Just listened to ten minutes of Patrick Harvie on the radio talking about his heat pump plans.
How can we have any integrity as a nation with this Grade A weirdo in a position of power, and arguably not the biggest zoomer in the cabinet.
John Main @ 8.15
Your ignorance and prejudice is unbelievable. That’s just right wing garbage.
If you lived in Scotland, you’d be aware of the grinding poverty faced by many people here. If you can’t afford to feed and clothe your family, how can you possibly afford to pay private gym membership or for swimming baths? And don’t give me any nonsense about wasting money on booze and fags, because Harry Burns can tell you that that’s also garbage.
Your arguments just provide people like you with justification for ever more inequality of wealth and income – the greedy rich!!
I asked my lovely wife, Lady Louloulemon Sparkle ‘what are we having for dinner this evening’. ‘Steak pie and apple sponge for pudding’ she replied. ‘Are we having custard or some of that Geri cream with the apple sponge’? What is Geri cream’ she enquired. ‘Extra thick’ I responded.
‘England can’t erase Scots sovereignty.
England can’t erase the claim of right.
England can’t erase Scotlands territory.
England can’t erase Scotlands sea boundaries.
England can’t impose a foreign crown.
England cannot stop an equal partner ending a treaty.
& Neither can anyone else’
Tell us all how YOU are going to Implement the above Geri. We will all be fascinated to learn. Maybe it will be with the help of the other 10 or so nutters on here who post all too regularly? Or is it a big secret?
John Main
Don’t misrepresent what I said. I say “a lot of health problems” are not caused by lifestyle choices but something else. Poor health in Scotland and elsewhere is largely driven by socioeconomic conditions and economic inequalities.
Of course, good diet and non-smoking are parts of the solution but these are not the problems in Scottish public health that are the major drivers of poor health.
Smoking rates in 2004 among males in Scotland were among the lowest in Europe and have declined since. Today about 11% of the Scottish population smokes.
Coronary heart disease in men 15 to 74 has been declining since the early 1980s and is at a lower level than Finland today and following the same downward trajectory as the other Nordic countries.
In 2021 there had been a 24% decrease in heart disease mortality in Scotland over the last ten years.
Here is a link to a recent podcast discussion among Scottish public health experts which deals with the real issues of Scottish health over some 75 years. You should listen to it.
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/podcast/episode-10-low-life-expectancy-in-glasgow
A Scot Abroad said;
“Xaracen, still posting nonsense about Scotland and England being co-equal?
Nobody but you believes it. You’ve made it up. Just inventing a fantasy doesn’t make it reality.”
I didn’t make it up, it’s a straightforward and pretty obvious conclusion from understanding what the sovereignty of a nation actually means, why a nation’s constitution is deeply important to it, that there is much more nuance to democracy than a flat majority vote, that fairness is a key prerequisite of any form of democracy, and what the actual text of the Treaty and its two ratifying Acts says.
The two kingdoms ARE co-equal, but just because England won’t accept that, and insists it’s entitled to impose an unwarranted authority over Scotland, doesn’t mean it’s true, and it certainly doesn’t mean its legally and constitutionally valid.
It is the English establishment’s fantasy, which it has unlawfully enforced on Scotland, while covering its sorry arse with layers of pseudo-legalistic mumbo-jumbo. And you’ve bought right into it.
“The Act(s) of Union haven’t ended. Nobody is asserting that they have.
The Claim of Right has become irrelevant under the Union. That may not have been the original intention, but it’s a fact in practice. The Scots cannot use it to overrule a united crown, and they cannot use it to overrule a U.K. parliament. That’s why, under the union, it’s irrelevant.”
The Act(s) of Union HAVE ended. Their job was to legally empower the Treaty. Amending the Acts is ultra vires and irrelevant, and the Treaty can only be properly negotiated between the two Treaty Principals.
The Claim of Right is under a guarantee of permanence in the Treaty, so it is permanently relevant under the Union. See what I meant by ‘reading the actual text of the Treaty and its Acts’? The Scots CAN use it under their own constitution which is what the Claim of Right is all about, by calling a modern Convention of the Estates, which can act as a tribunal to put Westminster’s governance on trial for abusing its authority regarding Scotland.
“But as you know, it has been overruled by precedent for a couple of centuries now, and that’s a lot of precedent.”
Precedent can’t count if it was unlawful in the first place.
“But, we joined the Common Market as the UK, so that is how we had to leave.”
Not an actual argument for leaving! The Union didn’t vote to Leave, only its English half voted Leave.
If you can think of a workable, practical, realistic process for unwinding those centuries of constitutional precedent and getting us back to the original constitutional basis of the Union, please explain it on here.”
We aren’t interested in going back to the original constitutional basis of the Union! We are going to END the Union.
I apologise to everyone for not responding yesterday, another doctors appointment intervened. And have another today so I will try catch up this afternoon maybe,
Re my spouses many visits to medical appointments, we will not know for certain to what extent it be decided, but they are talking future amputation on right foot in near future,
We will know more after the 20 th December,
Meanwhile multitudes of tests and and changing dressings at nurse every second day,
I change the dressing at home every other second day, do the pharmacy and appointment runs,
Worrying time as spouse also diagnosed with Colon Cancer two years ago, we obviously are both worried as to how such a serious op would effect this other illness too, and have little time on our hands at the moment,
Between extra hygene housework, changing bedding etc and seeing to normal house chores and shopping, walking dogs, sawing wood and chopping sticks, “all recycled” from businesses, instead of going into land fill, for our central heating system and hot water supply, ( which is by far cheaper than anything other source of heating energy out there at the moment for pensioners, it takes up most of my time,
So regrettably not much time at the present to respond or to converse on Wings, which I miss,
But may catch up a bit later on if the dodgy problematic internet allows,
I hope the results of your scan are all good Geri,
Tammany Hall aka Glasgow City Council to declare a housing emergency, about time I say.
https://archive.is/u4WDH
Best wishes James Che and Geri
I see the BBC in Scotland very quickly completely removed their propaganda pish about the SNHS and Unionist free-lunch boy Prof Paul Gray late on last night.
And guess what they replaced it with? Straight in as the “top story” about an interview with that great peace-loving Catholic religious man Jim Murphy. The same great religious man who travelled the length and breadth of Scotland spouting utter lies from his Irn Bru crate about Scottish indy. The same great peaceful religious man who supported nuclear weapons and invading innocent countries etc.
On this 10th anniversary of The Clutha tragedy they get him to give his “first and only interview about that night” and “how he feels the guilt of not doing enough” etc. Jim ‘Creepy’ Murphy doing what he does best, unashamedly manipulating a tragedy to promote how great a guy he is. Pass me the puke pale.
It even states that he just happened to be parking in the area when the disaster took place. But it then immediately seemingly contradicts itself by saying he was nearby on “a night out”. It then states how he helped victims and members of the emergency services etc.
Well, i don’t know about anyone else but i can still mentally see that hypocrite turning up in front of the cameras in his white shirt, sleeves rolled up, like some sort of ambulance chaser. Some folk where saying at the time that he got there so quickly because he lives not very far from the area. And i also remember someone saying that Murphy made his way there from the other side of the town centre. All i know is that not all of these can be true.
I don’t know about any of that, i still to this day clearly remember a different story to the one he’s telling and a lot of folk being disgusted at his apparent brazen-neck and selfish opportunism for publicity. Disgusting! That was the overwhelming feeling i picked up on at the time and no amount of rewriting those events will change that. This is a time for remembering those who lost their lives, not for “remembering” Jim Murphy and “the guilt” he now claims to live with.
Xaracen,
the kingdoms, or crowns, are co-equal. But that doesn’t translate into the politics being co-equal. Never has, never will. You need to observe reality.
You aren’t going to call for a Convention of the Estates for the purpose of ending the union without there being some preceding democratic event, be that a referendum or an election won by a party or parties with an explicit manifesto to that purpose.
@ Anton Decadent at 08.15: Not only you and me but also Iain Lawson getting the Error 503 message for this site.
Surely Wings isn’t getting the “treatment” from officialdom?
Xaracen and Geri
Why do you think the needs and wants of a nation of 5 million should be equal to or override those of a nation of 50 million. Should Brexit, for example, be scrapped because, simplistically stated, 5 million Scots don’t want it? It’s nonsense isn’t it and that is why things are the way they are. And until the Scots cease to vote for dependence that is the way it will remain.
The tail does not wag the dog.
Sarah @ 12.24pm
I was having the same problems yesterday too and have also been wondering if Wings has been getting the ‘treatment’. It seemed to start early yesterday afternoon, maybe around about when this new post was put up.
I notice a strange rise inactivity from accounts that love the glorious Nicola. I find this odd for the following reasons.
They all ignore the perjury issue.
They all ignore the conspiracy issue.
They all ignore the missing money.
They ignore Humza
There is a pattern. But the really interesting bit I think is that the way twitter or X supresses or promotes stories. Given that both are influenced by Mr Clegg and the UK government this can only happen with UK approval.
Why would the UK approve the promotion of Nicola and allow the promotion??
It is of course in the interests of the UK government to create an SNP car crash.
@Stuart MacKay. I tried to post this yesterday evening but could not. I read the article you linked to and thought that I would post this one from the Guardian. It is written by a “factchecker” who makes no mention whatsoever of the victims of the stabbings and instead calls for major crackdowns on what we are repeatedly told are the real problem in white majority countries, white people. He also contends that the Algerian child stabber is actually Irish because he has lived there for twenty years after beating a deportation order.
The Guardian has received cash injections from both George Soros and Bill Gates. I recently posted about fact checkers who police Facebook etc being from The Washington Post and bankrolled by Sam Bankman Fried. I have already made my feelings clear on here about which group I believe to be the spearhead of the ongoing dehumanisation of white people in their own countries.
https://archive.ph/tfpyS
@Sarah, I thought the same but I imagine that this site has a substantial amount of people who wish ill of it for the crime of speaking out. As we are almost in a monoparty situation it could really come from any direction.
@Merganser, I enjoyed your poetry.
@James and Geri, good luck with medical stuff.
Shug,
there’s no need for the U.K. government to get involved, nor does Clegg have that level of influence. The SNP have created their own car crash.
dasBlimp,
I think you make the point for self government, Scotland and England have different needs, this will not change.
A Union is only useful to both parties when interests converge, when they do not converge, somebody is going to get their way. That somebody is England, regardless how detrimental it is to other parties.
England gets the benefit of interests converging or not.
In essence, what England wants England gets.
I’m sure the English will be cockahoop with such arrangements but from the perspective of others, it’s far from bliss.
Scotland ploughing her own furrow is the only logical conclusion if she wants to address her inhabitants needs.
No other country will or can do this.
Just another reality check .
The head of State of the United Kingdom was mentored by Sir Jimmy Savile . This Charles the third is the ‘human’ our national anthem requires full subjugation to with the help of the Sky fairy . Our government and military swear undying allegiance to him and his.
The guy Socrates called democracy what it is . A corrupt government run by the money men with the backing of the military for those you cannot mention.
The depravity is limitless. That’s why I never disregard any wierd u turns folk do in public life.
Sometimes altruism is trumped by wanting your friends and family to live .
Besides the fake social media accounts – I don’t believe the polling figures either. Never have.
I don’t believe for a minute Scottish Labour are on the rise.
Not after Better Together.
From the bowels of hell they’re catapulted to 1st place?
Despite being Tory arseholes in a red rosette & no better than the shite already in Holyrood?
I think the SNP will be wiped out but it’ll not be by Labour, imo.
James Che
So sorry to read that. I hope you get better news on his foot. Keep us posted. Such a worrying time – we’re all here for a chat & some moral support when you need it. I hope things go well in the meantime – waiting & not knowing is an incredible stress – especially if trying to stay positive for someone else. Just holler & best wishes – I hope it’s better news..
Thanks for your concern too, & Sam, I’m on the mend, ta. Scans are just routine ever few months just to make sure everything stays tickety boo.
I can’t fault the SNHS for my care. Other than a few cancelled appointments (by them – due to staff shortage) they’ve been top class. It really is a lifesaver & a jewel we should protect from the sharks continually circling it’s waters looking for blood to start a feeding frenzy.
The SNP is becoming more like the Britnat regime the longer they’re in office. Tho Alf has predicted often enough that’s exactly what happens.
Anton
Cheers!
Aye, I think it’ll be a given this site is constantly under attack. I think the pronoun crew will be the biggest culprits.
Then we’ve the 77th roasters on here telling us to mind our language or they’ll be green inking Hampshire HQ to come cuff our lugs.
Just need to see the treatment of Craig & others too.
I dunno if the site lag on posts showing is WordPress or if Stu has adjusted in the admin. The moderation is off the scale sometimes too unless ppl code it first.
A Scot Abroad said;
“Xaracen, the kingdoms, or crowns, are co-equal. But that doesn’t translate into the politics being co-equal. Never has, never will. You need to observe reality.
You aren’t going to call for a Convention of the Estates for the purpose of ending the union without there being some preceding democratic event, be that a referendum or an election won by a party or parties with an explicit manifesto to that purpose.”
Co-equality of the two kingdoms is another concession, ASA, thank you.
As for politics, you are confusing it with democracy. The UK’s democracy is an abusive clown show, and that’s what’s aggravating the politics by denying Scotland the means to defend itself from England’s feral establishment.
Calling for a Convention of the Estates doesn’t need to be justified by a democratic event. A serious constitutional crime will do just fine, and there’s plenty to choose from.
I whole-heartedly agree, Breastplate. As to the English being Cockahoop about the current situation – I have my doubts. I maintain that if the English were given a vote on Scottish independence, then it would definitely happen.
@ Anton Decadent.
Thanks for the comment. I think that makes two people who have liked it, and no negatives.
I could right more on the same theme but I don’t want to bore people. I think the one about angus was the best.
dasBlimp said;
“Xaracen and Geri
Why do you think the needs and wants of a nation of 5 million should be equal to or override those of a nation of 50 million. Should Brexit, for example, be scrapped because, simplistically stated, 5 million Scots don’t want it?”
Yes, Brexit should have been scrapped, because the Union didn’t vote for it. Only one of its two partner kingdoms voted for it, the other voted against. There was no majority to change the status quo, so the status quo should have been retained.
“It’s nonsense isn’t it and that is why things are the way they are. And until the Scots cease to vote for dependence that is the way it will remain.”
Yes, your nonsense is nonsense. And Westminster is unlawfully and undemocratically denying Scots the means to vote for independence, unless it is by a referendum which Westminster is point blank refusing specifically to ensure voting for independence CAN’T happen.
“The tail does not wag the dog.”
Your analogy is wrong. It isn’t one dog and its tail, it is two different dogs.
And we are not talking about the needs and wants of 5 or 50 million. We are talking about the two formal authorities making joint governance decisions for two kingdoms, both of which are entitled to have their needs met without the larger one stealing the resources of the smaller one, on the pseudo-democratic basis that its size legalises that theft.
Not sure who the Herald are polling these days , Indy on track, SNP still best bet for re-election, they must have run it at SNP HQ, it’s miles out of touch with reality with this one
DasBlimp
What’s stopping them?
Why aren’t they greeting for a devolved parliament & showing of its full accounts?
Isn’t it strange out of a *UK* state – everyone has a devolved parliament but them?
As Gerry’s famous song said, belted out in Freedom Square during 2014, indyref was only the start of the show.
The English should vote to stand on their own two feet. They’re always greeting they’re subsidising druggies & drunks. Put an end to it. Start a campaign. England wanted independence from the EU but not the rest of the UK? What kind of Muppet independence is that?
Xaracen,
the crowns have always been co-equal, since the union of the crowns. Neither has authority in the other country. Nobody has ever claimed that. So it’s no concession.
What’s an abusive clown show is you persisting in the fallacious conceit that Scotland (or rather, Scottish representatives) have some form of right to a veto over decisions in Westminster if half plus one of them are against the matter, even if every single one of the English, Welsh and Northern Irish representatives are unanimously in favour. That’s utter drivel, has absolutely no constitutional basis, is not written anywhere, and has never ever been argued for in the last 316 years.
As for the Convvention of the Estates, who gets to call that? By whose authority, and how are the members of the three estates to be chosen?
Xaracen
1. It was not a union vote it was a UK wide vote. The UK was a member of the EU not England or Scotland.
2. You had a referendum on independence and you rejected it.
3. Your last paragraph is highly debatable – it certainly goes on and on ad nauseum here.
Hmm…mebbe they conducted their poll amongst both of the readers of the National? 🙂
Xaracen
Excellent posts, thanks.
That’s the bit they fail to grasp. It’s two dogs on an equal footing in a treaty.
It’s not population (which ours is controlled anyway as the clearances never ended & still continue to this day)
They’ve no authority here. It’s by consent of the Scottish people that they are. Not auntie Jeannie with a holiday home persistently voting against the Scots & her constitution.
A convention is the route. Scotland should never have allowed it to stop sitting. We need a permanent convention to scrutinise the guff emitting from Westminster in relation to Scotland, the treaty & her interests. I hope you’ll play a role in that.
DasBlimp
It wasn’t. The EU was a treaty with two kingdoms as membership.
The English rigged the vote in Wales.
Wales voted remain.
NI voted remain.
Scotland voted remain.
England voted Leave.
So on whose authority did they exit?
& We didn’t vote to stay in 2014.
We voted YES.
rUK rigged the vote to No.
The result was well documented by various universities breaking down demographics. The vote was rigged by rUK.
That’s not democracy. Non Scots don’t have a vote on Scotlands constitution.
The English wouldn’t allow their own ref to be tampered in that way if the roles were reversed. You know it & so does everyone else. They were quick to ban EU citizens from the EU ref.
Same rules will apply to Scotland.
Ass,
Anyone can call a convention. Call it & they will come just like it did for Devo.
Geri
I think England should have a devolved government as at the moment we are probably the only nation on the planet that are not represented by a government. I think it will come one day but first we have to ditch the dependents. So, over to you.
Geri
The ruling elite of England didn’t want Brexit to happen so there wasn’t any tampering. Also, the Welsh voted to leave.
28 Nov 1.31pm
John Main was a teacher ???
How disturbing.
Hopefully he was just making stuff up, as usual.
OK Geri and Xaracen
My dog/tail analogy was wrong. A better one would be two mongrels sniffing each others arse.
England also has deaths of despair and on the increase.
In England (North East) the way of easing the pain and seeking oblivion is mainly alcohol.
Article in The Lancet.
Deaths of Despair (DoD) are socially patterned causes of death encompassing drug and alcohol misuse and suicide. DoDs are strongly associated with socioeconomic disadvantage. England has high levels of inequalities,so we hypothesised the existence of marked geographical variations in DoD. We aimed to yield new knowledge on the spatial distribution of DoD, and area-level socioeconomic factors that predict DoD risk in England…
… An estimated 46200 people lost their lives due to DoD between Jan 1, 2019, and Dec 31, 2021. ..
…Living in the North, living alone, White British ethnicity, lower inward migration, economic inactivity, income deprivation in older people, employment in elementary
occupations, unemployment, and education deprivation in adults were significantly associated with higher DoD rates
in England.”
DasBlimp
What guff!
Of course the ruling elite wanted it. That’s why the ref even went ahead in the first place & why they triggered Art 50 when they’d absolutely no authority to do so.
It was an advisory referendum. We even had the author of art 50 confirm in the House of Lords it was only advisory.
So why pull the trigger if you claim they didn’t want it?
Cameron was a liar. He wanted it as much as the others.
New EU land registry, pension alignment & tightening tax loops had them scrambling for the exit.
Jeez, you button up the back eh?
Wales didn’t vote to leave. The English living in Wales voted to leave.
That’s a fact. Electoral breakdown of results aren’t fictitious.
The English screwed everyone – including EU funding those communities relied on.
Useful blog on the BMJ site in 2021 on neoliberalism.
I’ll edit and take it in smaller bits.
“Neoliberal health policies have previously been associated with an increased burden of non-communicable diseases, increased inequities, worsening public health, and less funding for primary care services and systems, among others.(6,10–13) This has perhaps— until covid-19—been seen most clearly in responses to non-communicable diseases and the unhealthy commodities industries that propel them, such as the policy debates surrounding taxation or regulation of alcohol, sugar, and processed foods. (10, 14–17) Since the covid-19 response, these factors—well known to those who work in public health or health promotion—have manifested across the entire spectrum of the UK’s covid-19 response.(10)”
“Large swathes of the UK’s response measures to covid-19 have been outsourced at great expense—and with little evidence of any subsequent efficiencies as neoliberalism’s proponents claim should follow. Many of these contracting debacles have hit the front pages, including Deloitte’s contracts for managing drive-in testing centres and laboratory services; Serco’s role in the underperforming “NHS test and trace” service—including reports of 500,000 leaking, contaminated vials; DHL, Unipart, and Movianto for various contracts—delayed, partially unfulfilled, and involving a complex web of disjointed subcontracts—related to the provision of personal protective equipment (PPE).(18–20)”
“The consequences of these outsourcing processes include inefficiency, waste, lack of oversight, poor lines of accountability, and failure to generate and consolidate timely and useful information. For example, in June it became clear that Lighthouse laboratories, a company contracted to provide covid-19 tests, was turning around test results in three days, when the NHS labs were doing the same tests, and turning around results in as little as six hours. (19) Moreover the BMA asserts that the Lighthouse lab tests were of inferior quality to the NHS standards. There were also serious contracting woes in Deloitte laboratories, which did not have to share relevant data with Public Health England or local partners. (19) These are serious and expensive failings.
Many of these companies, with links to cabinet ministers, their spouses and friends, and Tory party donors, have benefited from bypassing the traditional tendering processes. The onslaught of conflicting interests, cronyism, and the appearance of pandemic, private-sector profiteering in the government response to the covid-19 pandemic has been described elsewhere.(18,21)”
sarah says on 29 November 2023 at 12:24 pm: “Not only you and me but also Iain Lawson getting the Error 503 message for this site.”
Did you not see my comments at 3:58pm & 4:27pm yesterday? Both prior to your first comment on this topic at 6:45pm. Or is it a case of just ignoring me? I’m happy either way. Truly! But it would be good to know so that i at least know my comments are being seen by more than just me and i’ve not been put on some sort of punishment/moderation where only i can see my comments? Can anyone even see this comment? (puzzled face emoji)
Sam
Makes me wonder why they don’t mobilise better to campaign to end the draconian two party failed state – tho I guess depression & feeling hopeless plays a significant role.
The working class are legion & could be a force to be reckoned with if they downed tools. The Tories plan on ending protest by new Police laws should already be sounding alarm bells along with ban on strikes.
So for those who keep insisting that there hasn’t been a genuine union between England and Scotland and in fact Scotland can leave any time it wants. Why hasn’t it? Why aren’t you taking your amazing findings to the EU or the UN? Have you already made your appeal? Are you just waiting to hear back?
I too have often wondered why they put up with it. It is the absence of an alternative perhaps.
Labour lost voters 20 years ago or so (in my case nearly 50) and started to get them back with Brexit, Corbyn and Johnson.Only 44% 9f working class voters who voted Tory will do it next time apparently. (astonishly high figure it seems to me)
I think Labour when it wins will have to bring constitutional reform to Scotland.
A Scot Abroad said;
“Xaracen, the crowns have always been co-equal, since the union of the crowns. Neither has authority in the other country. Nobody has ever claimed that. So it’s no concession.
What’s an abusive clown show is you persisting in the fallacious conceit that Scotland (or rather, Scottish representatives) have some form of right to a veto over decisions in Westminster if half plus one of them are against the matter, even if every single one of the English, Welsh and Northern Irish representatives are unanimously in favour. That’s utter drivel, has absolutely no constitutional basis, is not written anywhere, and has never ever been argued for in the last 316 years.
As for the Convention of the Estates, who gets to call that? By whose authority, and how are the members of the three estates to be chosen?”
It’s not a veto, it’s the simple right of a sovereign nation’s representatives to decline to accept that their own majority vote can be overruled by a foreign majority vote on any matter of governance of the two sovereign kingdoms. The two sets of MPs do NOT constitute a single democratic body, and do not represent a single nation for the purposes of joint governance. They are two separate bodies representing two separate kingdoms for the purposes of joint governance.
The Treaty of Union spells that out; ‘Forty Five Members to represent Scotland in the Parliament of Great Britain’. The current number is 59. It doesn’t give a number for England’s MPs, just that their current numbers won’t change in the new parliament.
Scotland’s MPs are there in the Parliament to represent an entire sovereign kingdom, which is not the same sovereign kingdom England’s MPs are there to represent. And that means their two MP bodies cannot be treated as a single body for the purpose of ‘democratically’ deciding matters of Union governance. In that context, the two sets of MPs are foreign to each other, as are their two parent kingdoms.
Scotland is a sovereign kingdom.
England is a sovereign kingdom.
The United Kingdom is not a unitary kingdom, it just looks like that to the rest of the world.
Scotland’s MPs represent the kingdom of Scotland, not the UK.
England’s MPs represent the kingdom of England, not the UK.
Scotland’s MPs have no authority over England or England’s MPs.
England’s MPs have no authority over Scotland or Scotland’s MPs.
Decisions agreed* by Scotland’s MPs alone are not Union decisions.
Decisions agreed by England’s MPs alone are not Union decisions.
Decisions agreed** by England’s MPs AND Scotland’s MPs are Union decisions.
Decisions agreed* by Scotland’s MPs alone which are passed as Union decisions are fraudulent and unlawful. (I’m not aware that this has ever happened. It would certainly be very rare!)
Decisions agreed* by England’s MPs alone which are passed as Union decisions are fraudulent and unlawful. (This is anything but rare!)
* via majority vote of that body
** via majority vote of the two bodies as TWO bodies.
Stoker @ 16.00
I can view your post, Stoker.
Sam,
Re neoliberalism.
Double Down News has a short Corbyn film on the horrendous treatment of Chilli under Thatchers reign.
One explaining it’s like a population slowly being suffocated. That’s exactly it as it & sucks the life out of public services & a countries ability to function for itself.
The outsourcing was also something Whitford warned about at picking off round the edges while no one will notice. COVID revealed the whole rotten lot..
Stoker – I see you tho you probably don’t mean me lol
Pat
We already have. The supreme court decision was unlawful under international law.
Quoting other countries (who have written constitutions) referendums bears absolutely hee-haw relation to the UK.
Sturgeon & the SNP are the roadblock. Soon to be removed.
There is plenty going on for Indy.
Geri – The ruling elite didn’t want Brexit. Cameron didn’t want Brexit – he hopped it within hours of the result coming in, if you remember. We were then subjected to years of squabbling amongst MP’s and the courts who tried to overturn the result.
Your claim about the English in Wales tipping the vote? Isn’t that the same excuse you give for the Scottish referendum not going your way. Always somebody else’s fault, eh. And of course you blame the English for the Brexit result while completely ignoring the fact that many, many English voted to remain.
As usual, you are talking out the back of your head.
Sam
Corbyn was such a disappointment. He allowed himself to be bullied & completely folded on the people’s vote which was a trap. So many young ppl with hope & the Corbyn bounce but the knives were out by the establishment – no way could he be PM.
I think the Tories have used their greatest weapon – immigration. That always seems to win them votes.
Labour have already ruled out constitutional change & any more Devo so I dunno where the new wave of Labour voters are coming from in Scotland. Sarwar is on notice he’ll be doing as he’s told & Starmer isn’t for changing any Tory policies either despite what Slabber said during Renfrewshire by-election regards the two child cap. No doubt some jiggery-pokery will go on especially with postal votes.
DasBlimp
No. Just showing your entitlement.
The UK has four constituent parts. Not one.
Only one set of voters won. England.
The electoral results don’t lie. You do know there are statisticians who breakdown & analyse results by demographic, education, salary & where they were born, right?
Indyref was won by rUK votes.
Wales Brexited by rUK votes.
It shouldn’t have. We are not all one nation.
Sarah 28 Nov @ 11.22
Research in County Durham former mining villages in the 1990’s showed the huge loss of local cultural capital. Regeneration attempts were held back by a lack of organisational and committee skills in the local population. These had been gained through the trades unions, which had died along with the mines. So there was no-one able to set up and run community groups eg playgroups, sports clubs, social groups. The skills had to be re-taught by outsiders for the community to re-develop. I imagine this is another problem preventing similar communities in Scotland from regaining their social cohesion.
Pat Blake @ 4:05 pm
“Why aren’t you taking your amazing findings to the EU or the UN?”
Yes, a bona fide elected nationalist majority government would have long since set up permanent representation in the UN.
Meantime a colonial administration lacks any such innovation or urgency.
Have it your way, Geri.
I’d be interested in seeing that breakdown by statisticians if you’d be kind enough to post a link.
At Sven on 29 November 2023 at 4:19 pm:
Thank you for the clarification, Sven.
The UK government is buying Albania 15 electric cars and 25 electric minibuses, it is also promising to kit out Albania’s prisons to the tune of £5million quid and train its prison officers, and give the Albania government £4 million pounds per year (no end date) to take back 17 Albanian lifer prisoners.
I’m pretty sure prison services up and down the UK would love to have this kind of cash to spend.
DasBlimp
Google search.
Glasgow & Edinburgh universities broke down indyref results.
Oxford & Warwick on English pensioners rigging the Welsh Brexit vote.
John Curtis also makes a living from breaking down & number crunching election results & polling.
This isn’t news to anyone but you.
Electoral results are always analysed & broken down despite what you & Ass claim otherwise. An electoral register records everything.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/22/english-people-wales-brexit-research#:~:text=The%20country%20voted%20for%20Brexit,Ceredigion%20had%20high%20remain%20votes.
Alf Baird,
the U.N. would reject any “permanent representation” by Scotland that would be a matter of dispute. Prior to that, the UNSC also has to pass a measure recommending that such representation is acceptable. The U.K. holds a UNSC veto.
Andy Wightman on the tv programme Who Owns Scotland he explained that anyone can buy as much land in Scotland as they want to, whereas in in other countries a limit is placed on the amount that can be purchased.
He also added the usual info on how many folk own most of Scotland such as Anders Polson and the Duke of Buccleuch, also for a long time Wightman tried to find who owned the land in some estates but it turns out some of its owned via shell companies.
Maybe I’m just a little slow but can anyone explain to me how lower inward migration is associated with an increased number of deaths? The rest make sense, but I don’t get that one :/
Geri – Thanks for the link. There must be a hell of a lot of English people in Scotland and Wales then. No wonder you hate us.
The Flying Iron
Less inward migration = less people. Less money. Less opportunity.
Ass 5:21
They don’t have one without a united kingdom.
Do you have a link stating it would be blocked?
@
The Flying Iron of Doom
I could not make anything of that either. Except perhaps that key jobs once done by migrants are not being done.
I found this from ONS.
“Professional occupations (such as doctors, nurses and teachers) was the most common broad occupational group for most migrant groups, with around a third (35.7%) of those born in Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and other Pacific Island nations (known as “Antarctica, Oceania and other”) employed in this occupation group.
Nearly half (47.5%) of specialist medical practitioners, such as oncologists and cardiologists, were born outside the UK.”
Like the moniker
Geri,
re Brexit in Scotland, the total of votes was:
Leave 38.0%
1,018,322
Remain 62.0%
1,661,191
Total votes cast 2,679,513, a turnout of 67.2%.
The electorate in total therefore was 3,987,370.
Even if you assume that every single Remain vote was a native Scot, it still means that only 41.6% of native Scots voted to remain in the EU. In reality, it will be lower as among the Remain votes there will be quite a few from rUK.
Turnout for the referendum in Scotland was the lowest among the four nations.
Republic
Aye. I watched that. Some traced to the virgin isles & the trail stops. Probably cause it’s a Tory or a Royal. Scotlands prime locations tied up in anonymous bullshit. A EU directive was closing that loophole & a registry was to be implemented – another reason to push racist plebs into voting for brexit. The EU would’ve uncovered all their shenanigans in Scotland…but hey, tell the voters theirs *swarms* of Turks coming while pretending they’re really pro EU. DasBlimp seems to have fallen for it lol
He was the only Green MSP worth his weight in Gold. Bullied out by the mutilation crew. I hope he stands for Holyrood again as an independent.
The UN.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/05/1136567
So pleased to note now a lobbying device for Alt.Sex.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck7p88zx2z2o
Alt.Sex has a flag, why not seats in the UN?
Nice and warm from the previous occupants now expelled for «deviance».
“According to recent Ofcom research, the percentage of viewers tuning in to traditional broadcasters on a weekly basis witnessed the steepest annual decline ever recorded, dropping from 83 percent in 2021 to 79 percent in 2022.”
https://archive.is/MYwjG
Yous can make all the changes you want but if the bullshit & propaganda content doesn’t change to facts & truth then Yous will continue to be ridiculed, distrusted and abandoned. Figures will continue to plummet. Don’t believe me? Just take a look at ‘The Dead Tree Scrolls’ (aka: “newspapers”).
It’ll take an awful lot more than just going digital. Merely shifting the same brand of excrement from one platform to another still leaves a mess. Dear old “Aunty” has been taking liberties and is now seen as the family pariah.
DasBlimp
I don’t hate anyone.
Confused why they move yet still vote for the same shit they just left. What exactly was the point of moving?
Better care & services so why vote the same party who doesn’t even provide those things & fcks up everyone else’s election results?
& Also a country (Scotland) has a constitution & is a sovereign nation. That constitution & status isn’t for outsiders to have a deciding vote on.
TURABID
Where is his evidence based research?
They don’t seem to have any.
They’ll no doubt be on the UN security council at this rate.
Geri 2.50 pm
“England wanted independence from the EU but not the rest of the UK? What kind of Muppet independence is that?”
Geri 3.49pm
“DasBlimp
What guff!
Of course the ruling elite wanted it. That’s why the ref even went ahead in the first place & why they triggered Art 50 when they’d absolutely no authority to do so.
It was an advisory referendum. We even had the author of art 50 confirm in the House of Lords it was only advisory.
So why pull the trigger if you claim they didn’t want it?
Cameron was a liar. He wanted it as much as the others.
New EU land registry, pension alignment & tightening tax loops had them scrambling for the exit.
Jeez, you button up the back eh?”
You ALL button up the back – YES what king of Muppet independence is leaving the corrupt Vatican/Rothschild etc Private Corporation UK and then giving up that “independence” by joining the corrupt Vatican/Rothschild etc Private Corporation EU?
The ruling elites in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland did NOT want Brexit – they were surprised by the result. The AGENDA is to get all countries INCLUDING Africa into the EU and then get rid of countries with Scotland, Wales being REGIONS of the United States of Europe SUPERSTATE of the THREE world Superstates the other two being the American one of Canada, North and South America and the Asian-Pacific one – George Orwell was warning you all what was coming in his book 1984. England will be broken up into three REGIONS and Ireland will be united as one REGION with Germany, France etc etc being broken up into REGIONS as well.
They are flooding our countries with immigrants and free movement just now as part of this agenda to get rid of countries and also to bring down everyone’s wages and conditions and then they are going to sucker the dumb masses with their universal basic income and they will think great free money but it will come with lots of controlling conditions including having to take at least FOUR of the TOXIC vaccines per year – these same TOXIC vaccines that have killed MILLIONS worldwide so far via the totally FAKE Covid SCAM with hundreds of millions seriously injured and the excess deaths from them rocketing every week all over the world – Getting the world’s population to under 500 million by 2050 is the Agenda 21/Agenda 2030 of the Vatican/Rothschild’s etc UN Private Corporation.
Also got to laugh at the dumb who have been suckered in by the Global Warming – changed to Climate Change because the planet has actually been COOLING for decades at least now as it is all to do with the cycles of the SUN stupid – and the totally FAKE and engineered Financial Crisis/Cost of Living Crisis and all of the totally FAKE terrorism etc all part of this agenda to take away our freedoms and rights etc and control everything that you do and what they will allow you to buy and under their Social Credit System they will bring in under this and their making everything electric and smart you are going to be a bigger SLAVE than you are just now and if you do not do as they tell you or you go against their new system they will just simply switch you off.
There is also NOT going to be any voting in that new system but then again voting NEVER made any difference hence why you are all clueless as to why you had to REGISTER your new born kids and houses, vehicles, businesses etc etc and why you are all clueless as to the FACT that Constitutions, Declarations, Treaties, Acts, Statutes, Magna Carta etc were NOTHING to do with the any man or woman who NEVER signed them because you are all clueless about Contract and Trust Law.
These Mafias keep the people fighting each other dividing them by politics, religion, sex, gender, colour etc while they carry on with their agendas and the masses are too dumb to realise what is going on hence why we live in the SCAM system that we have been born in to that they are trying to change to their new even more corrupt one just now. Some folk on her are awake to some of this but the majority are not.
I think this about sums it up: file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/what-it-looks-like-when-folks-blame-foreigners-v0-8mqan0g38anb1.webp
Article in the BMJ on Brexit.
It suggests that the effects of austerity on death rates were noted among the elderly and middle classes who made Brexit happen.However, worsening health and lower living standards were blamed on immigration by Leave.
Most people who voted Leave lived in the south of England.Of all those who voted for Leave, 59% were in the middle classes (A, B, or C1). The proportion of Leave voters in the lowest two social classes (D and E) was just 24%. The Leave voters among the middle class were crucial to the final result because the middle class constituted two thirds of all those who voted.
ASA…
“Even if you assume that every single Remain vote was a native Scot, it still means that only 41.6% of native Scots voted to remain in the EU”
The old smoke and mirrors from ’79 being deployed yet again… If you don’t actively vote for option ‘A’ then you’re automatically assumed to prefer option ‘B’.
Using that argument, only 46.7% voted to remain in the UK in 2014.
Not so keen now on skewing figures now, eh? Aye… we see you!
Ignore my comment upthread at 6:29pm.
This one should work: https://archive.is/MnM0v
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Billy Lager further upthread states: “New EU land registry, pension alignment & tightening tax loops had them scrambling for the exit.”
Correct! And folk like Jacob Reece-Mogg lead the charge to make sure Brexit happened. The London establishment and all their rich cronies wanted nothing to do with the new tax laws & investigatory powers scheduled to be introduced. They also weren’t keen on being told they’d have to bring UK pensions more into line with the EU etc. So the UKGov at the time dressed their true motives up under the fake banner of “Taking Back Control” etc. Even spouting lines about valuing their (UK) “independence”. Aye! Just as long as you don’t associate that word with Scotland. Then independence becomes a very dirty word, EH!
https://indyposterboy.scot/sauce-for-the-goose/
I dunno. White flight maybe? Although the concluding paragraph in the Guardian stated that we should blame the Cornish and Devonians for the Brexit vote. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment but I don’t think it’s as clear cut as the article and you suggest.
By outsiders do you mean coloured people? You are Nigel Farage and I claim my five pounds.
dasBlimp says on 29 November 2023 at 3:24 pm: “I think England should have a devolved government as at the moment we are probably the only nation on the planet that are not represented by a government.”
Here’s someone else who disagrees with dasBlimp: https://indyposterboy.scot/a-union-of-equals/
A Scot Abroad @ 5:21 pm
“the U.N. would reject any “permanent representation” by Scotland”
The UN and its agencies would/could hardly ignore a national party and elected government for national liberation; that is a new UN member state in waiting.
No chance of it happening though as all the complicit SNP elites do in the US is dress up for tartan week and attend US state dept events. They have more important matters to think about like GRR, bottle return schemes and camper vans.
If only, Stoker. If only.
RobertkKnight at 6:58pm,
your comment might make some logical sense if I was claiming that native Scots voted to stay in the U.K. But I’m not. I’m instead addressing the argument that quite a few make, that native Scots voted to leave the union and would have won if it hadn’t have been for non-native Scots winning. That isn’t what the data shows, and nobody knows with any confidence how the vote was actually split.
Alf Baird,
you don’t know the UN process. The UNSC first has to give approval for new accessions or representation (not the same things) before the matter goes onwards in the process, ultimately being voted upon in the UNGA. And guess what? The U.K. has a veto on the UNSC.
@MaryB says:29 November, 2023 at 9:13 am
John Main @ 8.15
Your ignorance and prejudice is unbelievable. That’s just right wing garbage.
If you lived in Scotland,
Erm …
I didn’t post anything at 8:15 am today, or 8:15 pm yesterday, so I’m a wee bittie puzzled.
And BTW, I do live in Scotland.
A Scot Abroad @ 8:14 pm
Talking of “logic”, I see the Norwegians expect to make around £200 billion this year just from their oil fund alone; this is more than three times the annual Holyrood budget!
And all the while Norway’s economy and industry is getting stronger, as zero growth Scotland weakens ever further within the bust UK union/colonial hoax.
The opportunity cost of staying with London-rule has clearly been massive for Scots, now down at least -£200 billion a year.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2023/11/28/norway-oil-fund-2023/
@Alf Baird 9:14pm
There is no use crying over spilt milk. I was there with the tea shirt trying to persuade Scots to go it alone in the late 70s. And it goes on. Sold Scotwind for 750 million. The German equivalent multi billion. But still the Scot Gov are at it. 33 billion the cost of installation of heat pumps in Scotland. Scot Gov grants 1.5 billion. A 31 billion plus deficit or we go to jail. Many tens of millions pounds wasted already by the Scot Gov Green Coalition. It’s not deliberate they couldn’t run a whelk stall at the Stannergate. They have ruined every aspect of Scottish life and our once prized institutions. The Scot Gov better start building lots of prisons. The incompetence is on a breathtaking scale.
Alf Baird,
oh dear, Alf.
Since North Sea oil and gas came on stream for Norway in the mid 1960s, it has made a grand total sales of NOK 22 trillion in sales. Divided by the 58 years since first production, and then converted from NOK into sterling, that’s about £27 billion a year. Here’s the data from the state owned company: https://www.norskpetroleum.no/en/economy/governments-revenues
Nice money. But not £200 billion. And Norway’s reserves are far larger than Scotland’s.
On average, since 1973 revenues from the sales of oil and gas from Scottish waters are around £5 billion a year, with a range of £2-12 billion. So you are out by a factor of at least 40. Which is pretty poor for somebody pretending to be an academic. It might be good enough for a dismal student in a fourth rate poly such as Napier, but it doesn’t cut it in the real world.
It’s a bugger innit. LOL
ASA…
“That isn’t what the data shows”
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
As for “nobody knows”… From the Times (Hardly a outlet known for its sympathetic views on an Independent Scotland)
“Majority of Scottish born voters said ‘yes’
Findings from Scottish Referendum Survey show Scotland stayed in Union because of views of those born in other parts of Britain and further afield
Lindsay Mcintosh
Friday March 27 2015, 12.01am, The Times
Most Scottish-born voters backed leaving the UK in last year’s referendum. The findings from the Scottish Referendum Survey show that Scotland only remained in the Union because of the views of those who were born in other parts of Britain and further afield.”
If some kind soul can post a link to the archive you can read the rest there, but the research is to be found here…
https://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/opinions/scottish-referendum-study
Wee Kfir is dead apparently killed by an Israeli Air strike if you believe that you also believe in BBC Hamas. I didn’t think they had the resources or patience to look after a 9 month old baby . My message to Humza Yousaf I reject your barbarous religion he should never have been kidnapped in the first place. A religion of peace doesn’t kidnap or put into danger babies. Wake up Scotland!
Norway’s a great wee country.
For starters, it’s not in the EU, so it is not paying billions yearly for that “privilege”. That’s serious money that mounts up over the years and decades.
For most of the years when the North Sea bonanza was at its height, the UK was subbing the EU as per the standard rules – rich EU countries gift money to the poor EU countries.
But wait, as Scotland was propping up the UK, it was our money that was going into the EU!
The least the Brussels buggers could do is say thanks.
RobertkKnight,
It’s still a fact that only a minority of Scottish voters positively wanted to stay in the EU. And they weren’t all native born Scots.
Ultimately, the argument on both sides is meaningless, because neither Yes nor No got over 50% of the registered electorate. When 33% of the electorate don’t vote at all, all that really means is they aren’t that bothered by the result, whatever it is.
Scotland got the lowest turnout of all 4 nations. Which implies that Scotland was the least concerned about the outcome.
What a double whammy of deception for the Scots in the latter posts. I feel for my Scottish chums. I really do.
robertkknight @ 10:15 pm
“The findings from the Scottish Referendum Survey show that Scotland only remained in the Union because of the views of those who were born in other parts of Britain and further afield.”
Yes, place of birth is very important, also according to the good friday agreement and in respect of any future referendum in Northern Ireland, which states that:
“The British and Irish Governments declare that it is their joint understanding that the term “the people of Northern Ireland” in paragraph (vi) of Article 1 of this Agreement means, for the purposes of giving effect to this provision, all persons born in Northern Ireland and having, at the time of their birth, at least one parent who is a British citizen, an Irish citizen or is otherwise entitled to reside in Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residence.”
Perhaps the most important point here is that the definition of ‘a people’ in respect of Northern Ireland based on place of birth and parental descent (i.e. the international norm) is entirely at odds with the definition used in the Scottish independence referendum, the latter based on residence, i.e. a local government election franchise. The SNP Gov remain complicit in this deception which cost Scots independence in 2014 and may do so again.
Historians of WOS.
Sorry, need a bit of help here:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/27/the-guardian-view-on-king-charles-and-the-duchy-of-lancaster-feudalism-reigns-in-the-north-west
BTL:
NigeBoddy
28 Nov 2023 6.18
“In a distracted moment, when my career was in a quiet phase, as a lawyer, I sat down to write a short book on who is in fact the rightful King of England under Common Law rather than statute.”
………….
“As for the throne of Scotland, that was clearly purchased from the Balliols around 1356. The throne of Scotland has been the property of the English crown ever since. The union of the crowns came about therefore much earlier than the current accepted date of 1603.”
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This is a load of bollocks as far as Scotland is concerned, not even the yoons here are so unhinged..!
Ok, we all know about “Toom Tabard” Balliol being the lapdog of Eddie I and that he later let him bugger off to France in exile where he died in 1314. (Bannockburn probably scared him to death I hope.)
Did anything of note happen round about “1356” to prompt this “sale” of the Scot Crown?
Merci, thank you, Danke schön 🙂
Wow.
Geri/Xaracen/Dan/Robert Knight/Prof. Baird/RoS and other friends; it must be tiring, endlessly correcting the paid minions, but don’t despair, we are all behind you.
The Yoons are really on a roll here now, trying to completely take the site over with their unending bullshit.
“Pat Blake”.(Who?)
“Chas”. (Lorraine Kelly?)
“A Dundee Scot”. (Aye,right).
Daily Mail [“I used to be a teacher”] main.(LOLZ!!)
A Twat abroad.(Sir Hector MacDonald?)
Das Blimp. (David Starkey?)
House Jocks to a man/AI; Better to be pitied than scorned.
ASA…
“implies that Scotland was the least concerned about the outcome.”
No. That’s what you have chosen to imply to try to support your position.
When most people I encountered on a day to day basis expressed the same opinion as my own, and a Leave voter in Scotland publicly admitting to be such was a rare breed, I’ll confess I really did not believe that Leave would come close, never mind actually win, and was therefore not in any hurry to take the time and effort to vote.
Remember the reception Farage got here? Most folk considered him to be a spiv and a roaster – “f**k off back to England” was what I recall him being told, and him complaining about subsequently. Everyone I knew held the same opinion about him, and although some stopped short of refering to England, the sentiment remained very much F**K Off.
In the end I did vote, but only as I was heading out to go to the Spar and went via the polling station. Did my complacency mean I didn’t care about the result as you suggest? Absolutely not. I just thought, mistakenly, that Remain had it in the bag. Why be concerned about the result when you think you’re side will win handsomely.
I recall the utter disbelief on turning on the radio at 6am to hear the outcome. The breakdown of the result into constituent countries answered the question as to WTF had happened.
So when you say Scottish voters were “least concerned “, they may well indeed have been unconcerned, but mistakenly, and not in the sense that you imply.
Graf Midgehunter,
1356 was right at the tag end of the Second Scottish War of Independence, which actually ended the following year with the Treaty of Berwick. You can read about that online or in books, but basically after a few decades of each country invading the other, the English gained a winning position, the junior Balliol capitulated, and agreed English overlordship. Whether money was involved I don’t know.
George Ferguson
That’s out of order.
Humza’s religion didn’t kill those children and he has only campaigned for peace.
I’m not a fan but neither have I lost a connection with reality.
How far back do you want to go Ifs?
If the Jews were not money lenders and hated for that they wouldn’t have left the Middle East thousands of years ago.
If the Palestinians land wasn’t stolen after the war this wouldn’t have happened.
If Israel hadn’t put Palestinians in an open prison it wouldn’t have happened.
If some terrorist hadn’t killed in Israel last last month it wouldn’t have happened.
If Israel hadn’t bombed residential buildings it wouldn’t have happened.
I see the express has a story about an affair and a flying iron.
I suspect the details will hit the press in the run up to an election.
Any money in who it is.
Did the iron come from vietnam
John Main says: at 10:20 pm
“Norway’s a great wee country.
For starters, it’s not in the EU, so it is not paying billions yearly for that “privilege”. That’s serious money that mounts up over the years and decades.”
“For most of the years when the North Sea bonanza was at its height, the UK was subbing the EU as per the standard rules – rich EU countries gift money to the poor EU countries.”
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Before you talk more rubbish, inform yourself.
Try this: http://www.efta.int
And this: http://www.efta.int/About-EFTA/Frequently-asked-questions-EFTA-EEA-EFTA-membership-and-Brexit-328676
Norway is in EFTA and EFTA works closely together with the EU in many ways. It is part of the EEA.European Economic Area (EEA).
You don’t get it for free.
Read section: What is the European Economic Area – EEA?
Read section: How do the EEA EFTA States contribute financially to the EU?
It’s not billions but certainly many, many millions.
Ass
“That isn’t what the data shows, and nobody knows with any confidence how the vote was actually split”
That’s bollocks. Of course they know. Every single polling card has a number. That number corresponds to an address registered on the electoral roll. To be on the electoral roll you have to fill in a form. Who lives at the address over 16, nationality, NI number & where you were born. It’s FRAUD not to fill in the form correctly.
The ballot boxes are then returned for counting overseen by a returning officer who can stop play & demand a recount if dodgy.
So where on earth do you get the notion *nobody knows with any certainty*?
It is an absolute certainty rUK spoiled the vote. Universities a lot smarter than you have done reams of reports on the breakdown. People who shouldn’t have been eligible to vote on Scotlands constitution, did.
It was clear England was going to brexit.
Facebook discussion groups on the EU ref were absolutely rabid with the Daily Fail dross & BNP/EDL types.
I voted remain to trigger the SNP manifesto.
*Material change – won’t be dragged out Yadda,Yadda*
I thought it a good idea to remain. The EU brought about peace & an unfettered trading bloc of 500 million along with endless opportunities for young ppl, professional people in engineering medicine etc & the right to study & travel with reciprocal health care & a lot of good policies like environmental & getting shit off beaches. I was also aware the reliance on EU funding.
All good stuff.
England forums only had racism.
They hated the French.
They hated the Germans.
They hated the Poles.
They hated eastern European.
The Turks were coming.
EU was amassing an army.
Farage was King.
Fuck everyone.
Bomb everything.
It was a dead cert they were leaving. Even resulting in a politician murdered.
On the morning of the EU ref there were young ppl at the airport shocked they’d voted leave as Kay Burley bounced over at why they were crying. They admitted they voted leave too but only to give Cameron a bloody nose.
Duurrr! Wrong election FFS! D’oh! Thick as shite…
Geri,
while the data is on a database, no council anywhere in the U.K. tries to tally up electoral registrations to identify actual votes cast. That’s because we have a secret ballot system. The vote that one actually casts doesn’t record your name, address, NI number or nationality. It’s just got a pencil or biro cross in a box.
That’s why nobody knows with any certainty how somebody actually votes.
It’s as though you’ve never voted, if you don’t know that.
I break my own rule again…
Voting slips are numbered and that number is written by your name.
Ass
That is bollocks.
We don’t have a secret ballot.
You only have a secret amongst your colleagues of how you voted.
The government knows exactly how you voted.
So do political parties who number crunch the data to target individual houses & areas to chap doors come election time.
The ballot is assigned to your address. Even the receptionist scores off her wee list what number you are when you enter the polling station.
If, as you think, there is a secret ballot – then how the heck can they keep track of election fraud?
16,392,420 Leave in E, W & NI
14,480,020 Remain in E, W & NI
1,912,400 Majority Leave in E, W & NI
3,987,112 Electorate in Scotland
A 94% turnout in Scotland with a 51% majority voting Remain would have given Remain an additional 1,911,421 votes – still not enough to overturn the Leave vote and Scotland would still be out the EU.
Even democratic countries with compulsory voting struggle to get close to a 94% turnout. Australia for example managed just short of 92% in 2023.
So it pretty well didn’t matter what the majority of Scotland’s voters wanted – sheer weight of numbers elsewhere ruled the day.
Geri,
once again, you talk mince.
The law prevents governments from checking votes unless there is a suspicion of fraud. It’s been in place since 1872, and the latest amendment is the Representation of the People Act in 1983. That requires a special Election Court to sit before ballots are examined. While it is therefore theoretically possible to identify who cast a particular vote, it can only be done on the orders of an election court. Further, it is an offence for anyone attending the count to try to find out how any person has voted.
The last time that ballots were inspected was in 1911.
Ass
Absolute bollocks.
& The people’s Act was on who was eligible to vote.
Fck all to do with secret ballot shite & special courts like it’s the Spanish Inquisition.
Away & sit down FFS!
Ass
I dunno what bollocks you pull out of mid air but it’s continually wrong.
The people’s vote is regards who is eligible to vote & rules on election funding.
It makes no mention of special courts.
Which is absolute bollocks anyway or ppl like *Sir* John Curtis & political parties would be in jail for collecting data on Elections.
You don’t half talk out yer ass..
George Ferguson 10:18 pm
**My message to Humza Yousaf I reject your barbarous religion he should never have been kidnapped in the first place. A religion of peace doesn’t kidnap or put into danger babies. Wake up Scotland!**
Why are you having a go at him?
Have you seen the footage of all the dead premature babies still in their incubators as Israel cut off the electricity & bombed the hospital while blocking them from being moved?
Absolutely harrowing.
Your side did that.
A supposed signed up member to the Geneva convention & UN rules on combat.
Don’t tell me, t*rrorists were hiding weapons under the mattress & they’d a right to kill them to defend themselves.
You seem a fully paid up member of the BBC..
Humza had the correct response. A call for peace. We knew it would come after senseless, pointless killing.
Xaracen ,I sincerely hope that you are an official within SALVO , SSRG and Liberation.Scot if not you really must be Co opted , your ability to explain the COR and TOU in layman’s terms is enviable
It would also be helpful and advantageous if Alex Salmond and certain officials within ALBA would recognise the extreme importance of Scots Sovereignty instead of just using it to blindly appeal for votes and then dispose of it in a drawer
Politicians and political parties are NOT TRUSTED because they have lied continuously and everything they have done or are intent on doing is to benefit THEM not the voters
The uk is in a dire state with endemic and unconstrained corruption and irrespective of political party in power it will not change until and unless a revolution takes place of disgruntled and impoverished people
English people constantly vote conservatives into power irrespective of the knowledge that their policies are designed deliberately to only further enrich the already wealthy and further impoverish the poor and disabled,WHY would anyone sensible do that, the red wall of the north voted overwhelmingly to elect Boris Johnson when everyone and their dog KNEW that he was a lying adulterous buffoon who had no morals or integrity , is it down to group insanity
YET every day without fail we have PEOPLE????? coming on here to tell us that we must stay in the uk to benefit from the pooling and sharing of the magnanimous WM thieves and vagabonds, and how Scotland and Scots are subsidized over and above the people of england , NI and Wales, yet when Scots attempt to leave this magnanimity instead of the english establishment and the english people celebrating the removal of a perceived leech they do the exact opposite and create every barrier legal and illegal that they can think of to stop that separation , and still these PEOPLE ????? INSIST that Scotland remains in this corrupt and destructive union, are english people frightened to go it alone or is it some form of sadism where they insist that we share their misery after STUPIDLY and CARELESSLY voting for these low life blood sucking tories
Unfortunately england will never change because they elect politicians who mirror their own selfish beliefs and their own sense of superiority
Scotland has a smaller population and less selfish bastards so we have a chance to do things right by rewriting history and forcing politicians to do what is best for the electorate not for them , and that is why Alex Salmond and CERTAIN independence bloggers want to SILENCE and shut SALVO, SSRG and Liberation.Scot out of the independence movement
Geri,
here’s the facts about ballot secrecy,
https://www.wychavon.gov.uk/component/fileman/file/Documents/Elections/webb-secrecy.pdf
Just been reading that the PNSI in Belfast are in overdrive hunting down those responsible for grafitti declaring ‘ Irish Lives Matter”
Seems that in the divided city that is Belfast the Psni see this grafitti as a heinous hate crime.
Now I don’t know about anyone else but saying that Irish, or Scots or Blacks or anyone else’s life matters is about the least racist thing that could be said.
But no, this is a hate crime, it’s anti immigrant, and something terrible to say.
Maybe the right sentiment is ” nobody’s life matters “. That it seems was and is the Belfast Police’s real agenda.
Or what about, Police Life’s don’t matter. That to me would be an unsavoury comment. Or am I missing something in how language is selectively and partisanly construed.
Of course Irish Lives, like anyone else’s life matters.
How dim is the Norfolk ASS ?
The security services don’t Hoover up voting data? Lol
With the new Criminal Justice Bill, Investigatory Powers (Amendment) Bill, and Data Protection and Digital Information Bill , warrantless searches, data sharing, and gagging orders should become even easier.
JohnIm,
to believe what you’d written, you’d have to believe that the security services would be prepared to breach two laws.
The security and law enforcement services do have lawful powers to commit what would be crimes if anyone else did them, but that requires ministerial sign off. Typically, it’s in the gathering of covert intelligence for suspected crimes that warrant a life sentence. It’s a power hardly used.
It’s very unlikely that the government is going to use those powers to try to reverse engineer 40 million ballot papers to work out how 40 million individuals actually voted. What would be the point?
@robertkknight says:29 November, 2023 at 11:06 pm
A long post, easily summarised thus:
Like many, you believed the fix for Remain was in.
@Effijy says:29 November, 2023 at 11:10 pm
religion didn’t kill those children
Course not.
And you’re prepared to bet your nation, your culture and ultimately your country on that.
Don’t worry, you have plenty of other European countries making the same bet.
Let’s hope your bet comes up, eh? Rather a lot riding on it, wouldn’t you agree?
@Graf Midgehunter says:29 November, 2023 at 11:12 pm
John Main says: at 10:20 pm
‘Norway’s a great wee country.
For starters, it’s not in the EU, so it is not paying billions yearly for that “privilege”’
Before you talk more rubbish, inform yourself.
It’s not billions but certainly many, many millions
Erm…
So I write that Norway’s not paying billions, you declare I’m talking rubbish, then you finish by saying Norway’s not paying billions.
Uh oh.
Being unable to maintain a consistent argument from the start to the end of a shortish post is not necessarily anything to worry about, Griff, but I’d get it checked out regardless.
@Geri says:30 November, 2023 at 12:58 am
Humza had the correct response
Who’s this Humza loon?
Don’t tell me you are writing about the fraudulent Scottish FM? The one elected by about 5000 anonymous Scots, after a process everybody knows broke the rules, to the extent of the polis getting involved?
That Humza?
You so desperate for something good to say about Scotland you’re hanging on his words now?
Give me strength.
It wouldn’t be so bad if it all wasn’t so utterly boring.
It’s all the same stuff being regurgitate over and over and over again.
Given the breakdown of Brexit votes in E, W & NI,
a) In the event of a turnout in Scotland of just 48%, (the lowest possible able to alter the overall UK result), Remain would have required 100% of all votes cast.
B) In the event of a turnout in Scotland of 94%, (the highest probable turnout if Scotland had compulsory voting), Remain would have still required 76% of all votes cast to change the overall UK result.
Basically, with Leave having secured a lead in E, W & NI of 1,912,370 and Scotland having an electorate of only 3,987,112 there was no realistic outcome in Scotland which would have changed the overall outcome. All scenarios from the lowest to highest possible turnouts left Remain requiring an impossible task.
@ASA at 5:57 pm;
You’re cherry-picking your evidence, ASA.
You don’t get to count non-votes in a democratic event, only cast votes can be counted. Remain was the clear choice of the Scottish half of the Union, and Leave was the clear choice of the other half of the Union. Therefore there was no majority of the two halves to change the status quo.
What was the point of your point, again?
James @ 11:03 pm
“The Yoons are really on a roll here now, trying to completely take the site over with their unending bullshit.”
Aye James, we are reminded that the role of the colonizer ‘is to make any prospect of liberation seem impossible for the colonized’, which is largely about ‘debasing the colonized’ (Fanon).
This does appear to be their main function and I suppose that is also why in postcolonial theory they are regarded as the colonizer’s ‘functionaries’, nothing more. In other places they might have used something other than a keyboard to make the colonized aware of their inferior status.
@Xaracen says:30 November, 2023 at 8:21 am
there was no majority of the two halves to change the status quo
If you are going to refer to the “status quo” as evidence, the “status quo” for 300+ years has been that no majority of the two halves is needed for anything. A simple, single majority suffices, as I have pointed out many times.
Soz, but that’s the reality, or the realpolitik as some say. I accept your point that is not what was supposedly intended, but that is what defo has happened for centuries. Rational people deal with reality, Xaracen, they don’t spend their lives nit picking at details ignored by everybody else.
Now, what was your point about cherry picking? The cherry you picked is rotten.
@alf baird says:30 November, 2023 at 8:53 am
You’re losing the plot.
Make the positive case for Indy, focus on the economics, it’s the only way.
Or, if you find yourself making common cause with James, who makes common cause with faeces hurling simians, give it up as a bad job.
Xaracen,
Remain very clearly wasn’t the choice of the electorate in Scotland. If it was, it would have scored over half of the electorate.
You keep ignoring the Welsh and the Northern Irish, as well. That’s damnable, and arrogant. They are just as much part of our union of three crowns and four nations as any of us.
The fact remains that whatever England votes for the rest of us get lumbered with their preference.
I for one would prefer that were not so.
p.s Happy St Andrew’s day to all those who have Scotland in their heart.
alf baird says:
29 November, 2023 at 4:56 pm
“Yes, a bona fide elected nationalist majority government would have long since set up permanent representation in the UN.
Meantime a colonial administration lacks any such innovation or urgency.”
So why didn’t they? From my side of the fence the SNP tried very hard to separate our two countries but were stopped by two things – their own lack of skills and that they came up against the real World. In the real World, laws and courts and counter arguments can’t be waved away or silenced. I know that it’s popular in political sites, that dissenting voices are just distractions or trolls who should be banned but in the real World those voices have just as much right to a say as you.
It’s a cop out to dismiss the efforts of Sturgeon etc as those of people who didn’t really want independence because to accept that they really tried and failed is to admit that gaining independence though legitimate ways is actually a lot harder than you want it to be. You might find voices in the EU and the UN who support you but that’s not the same as a done deal.
The key being ‘legitimate’. Many of the suggestions here are to fix the rules such that you win but who is going to agree to that? WM certainly won’t. The courts won’t. If the EU allows you to break laws, it sets a precedent to other areas. I’m sorry but the EU doesn’t want you that much. It might loath the English but it’s never made an attempt to hide that it wants England and especially London back.
I don’t doubt for a moment that Sturgeon flirted heavily with EU officials and that while welcoming, they were clear that they wouldn’t bend rules for Scotland. Joining the EU (not EFTA) is a large part of the sales pitch for independence. Between you, I’m not even sure that you all want to join.
So if Sturgeon (before the scandals) didn’t do what you dream of then who will? We all think we’d make better politicians than the ones in the job but should we run for a role we might discover exactly why they don’t succeed. Politicians are good at getting elected and little more.
ASA
No need to harvest all 40 million votes.
Just the bundles of the smaller parties or spoiled ballots would do.
Happy St Andrew’s day, Dorothy at 9.24 and everyone.
And that one hit home in ten minutes, Alf at 8.53 (coloniser’s functionaries). Excellent.
John Main @ 9:04 am
“focus on the economics”
We’ve discussed this fundamental error many times before .
To restate, political science tells us that people vote on the basis of their cultural values, not necessarily what is in their best interest.
Those holding mostly to ‘British’ values will tend to reject independence no matter how poor or how wealthy they might become after independence.
In a colonial society it is the values of the colonizer that are sovereign. The reason some Scots vote against their own liberation is because they hold the colonizer’s values; which is the purpose of cultural/colonial assimilation.
@Mary B
Mary and others in their posts have been drawing attention to the values to public health of creating power in communities.
I’m writing here about the Preston Model from memory (more faulty than I like) and this is only an attempt at summary.
Community wealth building involves keeping money developed locally, local.
It starts with community anchors. These are the activities of groups/bodies that are likely to be around for a long time. Where I live these are the local hospital, the Council and the University.
Procurement of services has to be fair. Procurement policies can be written or re-written to place greater emphasis on community wealth building.
Because part of the process is encouraging local business to be able to bid for procurement tenders emphasis is placed on building co-operatives. These may be temporary or permanent.
My Council’s waste collection is done partly by a company with headquarters in England. This provides work locally but profits do not stay local.
The university’s catering contract is done by a company with headquarters in England. Again profits do not stay local.
Preston Council aims to change that in its local area.
SNP has a community wealth building Minister.
https://www.gov.scot/policies/cities-regions/community-wealth-building/
@ Alf Baird
“To restate, political science tells us that people vote on the basis of their cultural values, not necessarily what is in their best interest.”
Alf, according to new economics Foundation this is what people want from their economy.
“An economy is only as strong as what it delivers. The UK public, when asked, is consistent and clear about what that should be: secure, well-paid work; high levels of personal wellbeing; effective public services that guarantee good health and education; low levels of economic inequality, and a healthy environment.”
Hard to get with neoliberalism.
I keep seeing similarities between colonial attitudes and neoliberalism.
Alf, time and time again the economy and cost of living top the list of people’s concerns (in most western countries). Culture and the erosion of it, only features as a subset of immigration fears. The lure of independence for many is that the Scots can financially benefit more from Scottish fossil fuels and EU membership. Even immigration fears are in part financial – more to care for, so less to distribute.
As you indicated – politics are an important feature of culture but not to the detriment of income.
“The adoption of neoliberalism by many prominent Conservatives in the 1980s naturally shaped much of the agenda of the Thatcher Government, yielding policies such as significant income tax cuts, privatisation, “marketisation” in/of the public sector, weakening of trade unions and workers’ rights, maximising profitability and shareholder value, a leaner and meaner welfare state, and the relentless promotion of individualism over collectivism. The second section examines the “discourse” adopted to disseminate and inculcate neoliberal arguments and policies, to the extent that they became “hegemonic” and portrayed as simple non-ideological common-sense; all potential alternatives were discredited, via control of language and construction of meanings, and the articulation of binary opposites which were presented as good/bad, such as individual liberty or State control, hard work or laziness, etc. The third and final section discusses how neoliberalism has been continued and thus entrenched by subsequent governments to the present day.”
Neoliberalism in Britain: From Origins to Orthodoxy
Peter Dorey
@Alf Baird, there are 3 types of voter in Scotland 2 are very much as you suggest and manifest themselves in the supporters groups of the 2 big football teams in Glasgow who in the main have opposing cultural values. No matter what you offer them to change those values, centuries of ingrained culture will never be changed. There in lies the problem for the Indy movement. The cultural chasm that drives the votes can only be bridged by the 3rd catagory the soft Nos. They could be the answer but they need the economics to convince them it the right thing to do they don’t give a shit about the culture only the economic benefit. (These tend to be in the older age groups who are heavy invested in the UK)Try getting an orange order member to vote for Indy or a Green brigade member to vote for king and country your wasting your time. There needs to be a focus on what you can change and there is a large number of voters who could be persuaded for Indy if a coherent case was made. I’m no political strategist but I can see we’re the answers lie.
Alf Baird still banging on about colonialism. It’s somewhat embarrassing to him that he doesn’t have a clue about it: hasn’t been it, hasn’t experienced it, hasn’t thought about what he’s projecting, hasn’t had an original thought about it. Amateur.
@alf baird says:30 November, 2023 at 9:53 am
We’ve discussed this fundamental error many times before
Indeed we have. You persist with the error though.
As Den says above, you won’t ever change the diehards of either stamp.
You can change those who are open to argument though, and for them, It’s the economy, stupid.
[Not personally calling you stupid, it’s just the famous saying]
The reason some Scots vote against their own liberation
If Indy will liberate us Scots, you need to give that a lot more publicity. Right now, all I see in HR is a bunch of po-faced, reality denying, ideologically-driven, killjoys, with a fraud at their head. I find nothing “liberating” in being taxed more than a free, Sovereign Englishman, or being told to freeze in the dark for the “common good”.
And if that’s me “holding the coloniser’s values”, then so be it. That’s me and a majority of sane, rational, Scots.
Alf Baird good comments keep em coming like flies around a shite the usual Britnat mouthpieces plus one or two new Britnats are having a go.
@Willie
The effect of blanket saturation of propaganda means that many people would rather see their family, history, genes, culture and country cease to exist than be smeared as a racist or antisemite for fighting their own corner.
It is not a coincidence that anti white hate crime laws were brought in in Ireland under Varadkar and in Scotland under Yusaf as Justice Minister, a pair of satraps who can play the race card if anyone stands up to them.
Happy St Andrews Day.
Sounds good to me lets make it so.
“ASH Regan has launched proposals to consult the Scottish public on whether Holyrood should be given the powers to legislate for and negotiate independence.
The Alba MSP, who defected from the SNP last month, said she believes the plan would be within the competence of the Scottish Parliament after the Supreme Court ruled that the constitution was reserved.
Instead of legislation for a referendum on independence, Scots would be polled on whether or not to extend Holyrood’s powers.
Alba party leader Alex Salmond said the move was his back up plan if David Cameron had refused to grant a Section 30 order, which allowed the 2014 independence referendum to go ahead.
And now, the party has proposed that the ballot should be undertaken on the 10th anniversary of the previous vote held in September 2024.”
https://archive.is/uz6V4
Latest information on deaths from malnutrition 2001 to 2017 in England and Wales. 445 died where malnutrition was the underlying cause or on death certificate.
In 2022/23 nearly 3 million people in Uk received food from a Trussell food bank. More will be using food banks – Trussell is not the only provider.
The structure of the welfare system partly drives food bank use, says research.
“Understanding the post-2010 increase in food bank use in England: new quasi-experimental analysis of the role of welfare policy
Published: 16 July 2022
Abstract
Background
The number of food banks (charitable outlets of emergency food parcels) and the volume of food distributed by them increased multi-fold in the United Kingdom (UK) since 2010. The overwhelming majority of users of food banks are severely food insecure. Since food insecurity implies a nutritionally inadequate diet, and poor dietary intake has been linked to a number of diseases and chronic conditions, the rise in the number of people using food banks is a phenomenon of significant importance for public health. However, there is a shortage of robust, causal statistical analyses of drivers of food bank use, hindering social and political action on alleviating severe food insecurity.”
Scotland isn’t in control of its economy, stupid.
Scotland has no control over the cost of living either.
Those two are the result of being colonised.
& Neoliberal England.
Happy St Andrews Day to all xxx
Making health a commodity. The results to date.
Shrewsbury and Telford Trust.
Catastrophic failures at an NHS trust may have led to the deaths of more than 200 babies, nine mothers and left other infants with life-changing injuries.
The review, which examined almost 1,600 cases, is thought to be largest of its kind in NHS history.
It revealed 201 babies could have survived had SaTH provided better care, related to 70 neonatal deaths and 131 cases where babies were stillborn.
There were also 29 cases where babies suffered severe brain injuries and 65 incidents of cerebral palsy.
Old Nick himself past away yesterday Henry Kissinger, he along with Nixon kept the murderous Vietnam going a bit longer causing many more deaths.
He even had the chutzpah to accept a Nobel Peace Prize in 1973, his co-winner declined to accept his I wonder why?
The world is just that little bit safer with Kissinger gone, Happy St Andrew’s Day.
Stafford Hospital
More than 400 deaths greater than expected between 2005 and 2008. Great harm was done to patients. The dry words of the failures identified show health as a commodity harms.
A culture focused on doing the system’s business – not that of the patients;
An institutional culture which ascribed more weight to positive information about the service than to information capable of implying cause for concern;
Standards and methods of measuring compliance which did not focus on the effect of a service on patients;
Too great a degree of tolerance of poor standards and of risk to patients;
A failure of communication between the many agencies to share their knowledge of
concerns;
Assumptions that monitoring, performance management or intervention was the
responsibility of someone else;
A failure to tackle challenges to the building up of a positive culture, in nursing in particular but also within the medical profession;
A failure to appreciate until recently the risk of disruptive loss of corporate memory and focus resulting from repeated, multi-level reorganisation.
This is just one of a million reasons why we need to be shot of this shithole of a union. Many Scots can’t even heat their own homes in a land teeming with energy sources.
“MORE than a third of households are in fuel poverty in energy-rich Scotland, shocking new statistics have shown.
Figures from National Energy Action (NEA) show around 850,000 (34%) are in fuel poverty while more than half a million (23%) are in extreme fuel poverty.
The findings have led to fresh calls for the Scottish Parliament to be given powers over energy by Westminster.
Polling by NEA also found that of the 49% of adults in the UK that had turned their heating off even though it was cold over the last three months, Scots were more likely to say they had done so.
This is all while Scotland produces six times more gas than it consumes and two thirds of its electricity comes from renewable sources in Scotland.”
“For too long the UK Treasury has raked in the profits that Scotland’s natural resources have generated, while seeing nothing in return. ”
https://archive.is/R4AnQ#selection-1717.3-1717.140
Russell Brand had an interesting show regarding the recent Dublin riots.
It’s not about immigration.
It’s push back by ppl sick of the neoliberal control.
The new laws on cracking down on free speech & invasion of privacy. The Global elite want to invade our own homes now to see our communications & online activities. Whenever there is a push back they try to give it a label as hate speech, hate march or inciting trouble & use it as a form of control & running to introduce new legislation.
A new law of 12 months in jail for not handing over yer internet password by police WTF?
Not content on suffocating ppls everyday lives they now want to invade people’s homes & shut down reporting the truth with internet legislation.
We see this here too with both Scotland & Englands new Police laws & hate crime bullshit.
There is absolutely no point in even trying to argue/debate with Alf Baird and his fanboys and girls.
The man is so arrogant that he and only he knows what everybody in Scotland thinks and wants. Anybody who points out the errors in his thinking is immediately a victim of his perceived ‘colonialism’. According to him, EVERY Scot been colonised but apparently those who are unaware of this are victims of the ‘coloniser’ and have somehow been brainwashed into accepting this without even realising it! It becomes a ‘no lose’ position for Mr Baird. He does love to quote some discredited academics in a pathetic attempt to prove his points.
For the record, I have not been colonised and never will be but according to Baird this proves, but only to him, that I have!!
As others and myself have repeatedly pointed out, people will vote for Independence only if they can see that life will be better for them. This could be money wise, health wise or any other ‘wise’ anybody cares to mention. An honest, competent Government in place, or in waiting, would also help to swing it.
Where is it? Who is currently trying to convince us?
Only fools will vote for the unknown.
At James on 29 November 2023 at 11:03 pm:
Those you list are not all individual accounts. At least one person is responsible for at least 2 of those accounts. Another one is someone we all know by a different, proper, name and not an anonymous moniker. He used to always harp on about “anonymous” accounts but is now doing exactly that himself. I also have suspicions about one of those accounts using the exact same language phrases someone very well known to us uses, phrases the vast majority of folk never use.
Another thing a lot of you are caught sleeping over. Those folk on here who keep going on about folk swearing etc are hypocrites of the highest order. Because those same folk are what is known as “intellectual snobs” or “intellectual bullies”. They themselves are as guilty as anyone at attacking folk but they tend to be more subtle about it. I believe these days they call it “passive aggressive”. They routinely use insults such as “face painted Bravehearts” and “Bonny Purple Heather Brigade” etc. Snidey playground bully types who think they’re intellectually superior to everyone else.
Snidey: 1. maliciously derogatory; supercilious. 2. counterfeit; sham.
Describes them perfectly, don’t yah think? 😉
@Geri says :Scotland isn’t in control of its economy, stupid.
Nor does it have a coherent plan that shows how we would manage the economy better as an independent nation . All priority and funding under the SNP / Green has made us masters of the art of planning on how we sterilise and mutilate our children for years to come.
We are arming ourselves for what will be a future population / identity crisis and not a strong economic independent country that will be the SNP / Sturgeon legacy.
In other words, ppl are sick of things locally for a multitude of reasons & don’t give a shit for Global bullshit that’s accountable to no one & ever increasing on ppls lives.
Energy was mentioned too. They’ve total control over it.
@Geri
“It’s push back by ppl sick of the neoliberal control.”
I had wondered about that without seeing Brand.
i don’t think it is true though.
there is a piece on the subject at Slugger O’Toole which is an excellent blog.
Good moderating system too. Play the ball not the person. Complaints can bring yellow cards.
https://sluggerotoole.com/2023/11/30/irelands-openness-questioned-anti-immigration-violence-rattle-a-nation/
At Chas on 30 November 2023 at 11:48 am:
You’re a coward and online bully. Jumping on the bandwagon with constant attacks against one man and his beliefs, and anyone who supports him.
I happen to be one of those who believes in showing folk how indy Scotland life will improve their lot but i also recognise other folk will have their own driving forces, even though i don’t subscribe fully to Alf’s beliefs.
For someone who thinks Alf’s beliefs are “ancient guff” or ‘BS’ or “irrelevant”, Yous seem to be dedicating an awful lot of time trying to discredit him and those that support him.
Yous lot don’t get to decide what folk post on here. And btw, the constant attacks on him are only bringing further attention to his comments so not quite the intellect Yous think Yous are, eh?
@Geri
Dissatisfaction with neoliberalism could have been a part of it. It is certainly part of public opinion in Ireland.
https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/03/10/evaluating-the-peace/#more-114535
@Alf Baird , I don’t know you and have not met you. Please keep up the posting you do on here.
The bitters are stewing in their own bile. It’s like they’re about to lose their Marbles.
Anyone familiar with Wings & Stu at all – needs to put their fakery smelling salts away & step away from clutching their pearls at people swearing on here FFS! LOL
That bull is just another for of control.
& Alf is correct. We are colonised.
We have no control over our own resources.
We have no control over our own money.
We have no control who we converse with in the world.
We have no control over war.
We have no control even on a referendum.
We can’t take a shit without running it past our overlords first.
Wake up, doff capping serf boys. You’ve been institutionalised.
Get busy living or get busy dying as they say & Scotland wants to live…
Ash’s idea looks promising.
Great way to recover St Andrews day from an earlier (personal) banging head against a brick wall (to the further detriment of the roof) moment – & hopefully much to look forward to, at last!
Cheers Scotland 🙂
“All priority and funding under the SNP / Green has made us masters of the art of planning on how we sterilise and mutilate our children for years to come.”
Jesus, Mary and the wee donkey.
The SNP with all its considerable weaknesses on this front is doing a lot more to help Scottish children than elsewhere in the UK.
Free school meals for all children in Primary 1 to 5.
Professor Dorling thinks the Child payment scheme a wonderful idea. So it is.
“In our shattered nation, children in families of three children or more, are especially likely to go hungry. This is the direct result of policies penalising larger families. In Scotland that trend is being reversed by the Scottish Child Payment, ensuring that all families on Universal Credit, and other qualifying benefits, receive an extra £25 a week for every child up to age sixteen.”
Chas @ 11.48.
Sorry Chas, however as one who has no sympathy for, or agreement with, Professor Baird’s “post colonial theories” or, indeed his views on my alleged “mither tongue”, I can’t let your comment on his “arrogance” slide past wthout comment.
The Professor has been unfailingly polite to me in our differences and I continue to respect him, though we disagree.
John 12:15
Agreed!
They target him all the time.
I don’t know why they even bother coming here. All they do is post how shit it is & how thick everyone is.
Can’t they use their profound knowledge & find the exit?
Stoker; spot on, we see them.
A Twat Abroad;
Is everything this clown posts utter bollox?
England has been meddling in Scotland’s affiars for the best part of a thousand years now.
Twat;
“[1356]English gained a winning position, the junior Balliol capitulated…”
The Scottish War of Independence ended with total victory for King Robert the first in 1328. Balliol, the English puppet, had long been deposed and his son was pretender to the Scottish crown. The son of Good King Robert was on the throne of Scotland in 1356.
The English king, reneging on the treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton gave Balliol Junior the nod to try again [just won’t leave us alone, eh?] but the plucky Scots won through again.
[So, the moral of this story might be ‘never trust the English to uphold their treaty obligations?].
Norfolk man – you’re an Eejit. And most probably a pretender.
ASA. I see you’re still spouting garbage.The stench around you must be vile! Disgusting.
@Sam it is one thing looking after the welfare of our children and ensuring that their best interests are looked after but it’s a completely different animal and undoes all the good things when it comes to what we are teaching our children in schools about gender, go ask anyone you know who works in a school environment and ask if the atmosphere around gender ideology is healthy. Teachers are getting warnings for mistakenly misgendering pupils ( even if they say come along boys / Girls) they are at their wits end, there is one child who identifies in a local school as a cat ffs. it’s toxic and it’s the SNP / Greens (sex party) who are wholly responsible. Get your head out your arse.
Stoker
Is an online bully and a coward someone who disagrees with the constant drivel posted by another? If it is, I plead guilty.
If you are a regular on here and I believe you are, you might be aware that Baird is not the only individual I have criticised in the past, including you. I do not recall stating Alf’s beliefs are “ancient guff” or ‘BS’ or “irrelevant”. I usually reserve these comments for Che’s drivel, although I confess it has been a while since I read any of he/she/it’s posts.
It seems to me that if you follow the herd mentality then that is ok. If not, then you are fair game for abuse from the fanatics and fantasists.
The irony being that you criticise me for following my beliefs yet are willing to defend others whose beliefs are being questioned!
I admit that am not on this site all day, every day, yet I have failed to notice any posts from you ‘ showing folk how indy Scotland life will improve their lot’. I may have missed your factual gems but………….I suspect not!
You are correct in stating that I do not get to decide what folk post on here. ARE YOU THE ONE who does?
For your information ‘yous’ is not a word. It does however give an insight to your educational attainment.
A bit of advice-think things through before you post again.
Chas;
Yous or Youse is in fact a word. Just not in your country.
One of the words they used to try and belt out of us.
Ask Alf.
Chas
Yous is perfectly acceptable.
It’s how we speak.
Take yer colonial King’s English bullshit elsewhere. No one is interested in a self appointed milk monitor on here..
Best to all for St. Andrews Day.
It’s lovely seeing the yoons play together, isn’t it?
Associative Play is when yoons play together, but have different ideas and goals. For example, talking to each other and playing with the same ideas, but doing different things. You can encourage associative play by taking your yoon to a Indy website..
“Salmond unveils Alba Party’s plans for referendum Bill at Holyrood”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/salmond-unveils-alba-party-s-plans-for-referendum-bill-at-holyrood/ar-AA1kMb7y?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=00f00ab6c8e34671ab980a13c4fdc39e&ei=47
“The Supreme Court ruled last year that the Scottish Government cannot hold a second independence vote without Westminster’s approval, but Mr Salmond – who formed Alba after leaving the SNP – said independence supporters may need to make clear they are “not prepared to take ‘No’ for an answer”.”
CORRECTION: No he didn’t! Salmond did not form Alba. He took over it by mutual agreement with the fellow who did form it.
(Apologies, folks, archive.is not working properly for me. I think ‘RoS’ has got the article archived further up thread)
Alf Baird may be onto something while banging on boringly and incessantly about colonialism.
Dear chums of Scotland may this national day be a good one and be assured that as an Englishman I know all about colonialism because we English were colonised post 1066. It’s tough but I believe we will shake off the shackles one day. So join us in our emancipation and we will ensure yours in return.
I’m feeling a bit jolly today.
“Only fools will vote for the unknown.”
Yes, Chas. all the fools who vote in a General Election.
Nice slogan. Lacks intelligence.
@ Den
You chose to ignore the positive policy which, beyond doubt, puts Scottish children at a great advantage over children elsewhere in the UK
I know this will confuse some of those here who think they are freedom fighters when they advocate pumping oil as part (the main part) of their independence strategy. The defiers amongst them are authoritarians. How so? Because their stance that our behaviour is irrelevant compared to China and India – yet accepting something will need to be done about climate damage – means implicitly they require a coercive force to bear down on China and india if our own future is to work.
What is this coercive force they (no doubt unwittingly) require? Obviously not the UN. Not the WEF talking shop. Not US hegemony (any more). Does anyone expect the people to well up and smite the foreign pumpers?
I know what the likely coercive force is: natural responses to the insult and injury a cheap energy economy delivers the biosphere. It will hit haphazardly over the short term but in the medium term all will be affected. The whole point of a green movement was to salve this condition as justly as possible. The defiers, they say no. They say grab what you can and something will happen to fix the mess down the line.
Of course the oil dependency fostered for the last five decades by suppressing any serious transition attempts is an authoritarian’s dream, matched only by nuclear dependence (power, not explosives – well not in the same way).
Alba need to get their wires untangled. At the moment the SNP/Green coalition is the only game in town on this issue, and it is the defining issue of our age. Shame to leave it to such a bunch of out-of-their-depth social engineers.
I’m not getting at the site climate change deniers. Their position on oil is consistent with their belief system, revealed to them by something other than teams of dedicated experts in physics and chemistry and mathematical modelling and all the folk who have being paying attention to how the world is changing.
RIP Alastair Darling.
A decent, honourable, intelligent and diligent Scots politician who served our nations with distinction, and did honour to our country. Unlike many who take a place in Holyrood.
Speaking of how people speak i think it possible for us and yousyins to tell political allegiances by speech.
The elongated vowel, particularly the “o”, tells a story. Here are some kent vowel manglers.
Laura Kuennsberg
Michael Goove
Fraser Nelson
Kirsty Wark
Helena Kennedy
There are more. Feel free to add.
Shane Macgowan has snuffed it too. That surprised me because I thought he’d popped his clogs yonks ago.
Thank you to every one for the kind words yesterday, much appreciated support in tough times,.
Re- union subject, and why Scotland has not left or walked away yet,
There are a number of factors to be taken under that microscope,
1:
we have no Leader with the mental capabilty and audacity to call it as it is, they are all to busy playing political party first politics, even in Alba and amongst the legal people like Cherry, etc,
2::
A large proportion of Scots do not do enough research to ascertain their actually status with the union, to ascertain if it is binding today.
3::
Most Scots do not Question why are there is a coronation ceremony of a monarch in the kingdom of England, but still requires a separate ceremony in the kingdom of Scotland. As this legally implies that two separate kingdoms and territories still exist in the fallacious treaty.
4:
There are a majority of Scots that never question why the Bank of England remained the bank of England connected to the Westminster treasury and exchequer and never became the Bank of Great Britain, especially if Scotland is supposed to share ” National ” debt with England.
5:
A majority of Scots never Question why it was that England thought it had gained its authority from nowhere in particular over the territory and kingdom of Scotland, that they then made Queen Anne of England, France and Ireland, prior to the treaty, queen of Scots in the country England,
with very little or no evidence in Scotland other than a letter sent from England to Scotland that…..it had been done?
6:
Again Scots are not (curious) enough to ask why or how under what authority a 1707 Scottish parliament could be Dissolved from the treaty of Union by the Westminster parliament of England or why the Westminster parliament of England was not dissolved by proclamation on the same day, year and date to enable the new creation of parliament of Great Britain to begin.
What we have as a result is.
England claiming that they coronated the Queen of Scots in England prior to a union treaty or union of crowns between the two kingdoms.
The un- coronated Monarch of Scotland in 1706 or 1707, but solely monarch of England, under any required ceremony) or procedure then dissolving the (parliament of Scotland); from the treaty of union by proclamation again in Englands parliament,
As a twist in the tale Scotland has (no evidenced monarch of Scotland) and is obsolete and dissolved as a partner to the treaty of union in 1707,
In England under the Institute of Governance a dissolved parliament does not have any representatives of its parliament or representatives of its constituents from the date of being dissolved.
The people of Scotland are seriously in trouble and will be forever under Colonialism if they never question the authentic recorded narrative that Englands politics has spun for them over three hundred years,
Without the members of parliament of Scotland still existing and not being “dissolved” in the parliament of Westminster in England there is no treaty that Can be verified,
The parliament ” Westminster” in England is the only parliament that was not dissolved on the same day as Scotlands parliament,
And no where in the articles of the treaty of union or the agreed terms does it state that the Westminster parliament of England would be the only successor State to the 1707 parliament of Scotland..
As a result of these past shinnanigans the parliament of England is the only parliament left holding a treaty with its self,
Englands Westminster parliament left holding a treaty of union with Englands Westminster parliament does not create a international a treaty of union.
This day just keeps getting better (St Andrew’s Day) first Old Nick himself (Kissinger) bites the dust, now the Britnat media reports that their numero uno House Jock of 2014 Alastair Darling has also bit the dust.
Happy St Andrew’s Day all round.
@ASA
“A decent, honourable, intelligent and diligent Scots politician who served our nations with distinction, and did honour to our country. Unlike many who take a place in Holyrood.”
A memorial with a dig at the end surely is bad form.
I will always be grateful to Darling (it is Darling?). Many years ago he persuaded me that independence was both good and necessary for Scotland. A service he no doubt provided for many
Sam,
the dig is not at Alastair Darling. Perhaps he is additionally worthy of being acknowledged that he stood head and shoulders above any current politician in Holyrood in terms of perspicacity and capability for public service.
Fruitella the hun,
You are barking up the wrong tree here in Scotland,
As England has always had control of the oil, revenues , taxes and licensing to that particular resources of Scotlands assets,
The people of Scotland are charged more than England in energy according to kenny Mackaskell recent speech,
So you may begin to understand eventually why you will never gain any forward ground from the people and country of Scotland that has its oil stripped from kingdom but never been in control of the finances and then when Scotland wants to become independent it is bad oil, the wrong kind of oil,
Perhaps when Scotland is independent and in control of its very green land, we may consider dropping the indoctrinated mind Cult of climate change,
And use the finances to create more green villages, cities and towns where everyone is not huddled in grey cold concrete jungles but has a garden to grow,
Or large green village greens with trees and ponds for and shared parks for the communities in Cities.
All these have disappeared since victorian times by the modern Greedy Councils and one world government control,
Step out side the cult and see what changes Scotland could make to its people and how Scotlands bad oil could make many improvements to peoples ability to breath in inner cities and how that money and revenues could provide better housing in the open air countryside for young families in Scotland.
Or better roads for walking and cycleng,
Every infrastructure has to be funded, every enrichment to life’s quality has to be funded,
Besides this extremist Cult on Climate is asking people to except high monopolised ( by a few corporations) energy crises on the poorest of people before they themselves have anything worthy or reliable to replace it.
Cart before the horse will make Scots suffer.
Republicofscotland,
Ahhh news indeed, has it been confirmed,
Sorro’s, gates the ted bundy of who? And those other world supporter bank that we dare not rely on with our digital money, (cash is king) .
We will have to wait it out,
@sam, stabbed children not worthy of a mention or did they stab themselves out of despair at there not being enough immigration into Ireland?
RIP Geordie of Killing Joke, I just found out.
Blimp;
“…we English were colonised post 1066….”
How much oil and gas was stolen?
The Red Herring.
In 2014 and under the Scotland Act/s The parliament of England state that the people of Scotland had to vote by a majority to leave the Treaty of Union, or rather to start the process and negotiations.
The red herring,
The parliament of England on their own site state the following in 2023,
It was decided not to give the vote to join the treaty of union to the Scots, as they would problably vote No.
How can Scots vote (Yes or No) to leave the treaty of union in 2014, knowing that Scots were not giving the vote to join it it 1707.
Our Scottish independence politicians are failing us across the board,
In carrot dangling the Scots into pretending they had to vote in 2014 or in any other future referendum.
If were not in it, there is no requirement for us to vote to leave it.
The Scots have always remained Sovereign from the treaty of union.
Oh, FFS ASA…
Keep moving those goal posts and you’re just going to be left with three planks!
“Remain very clearly wasn’t the choice of the electorate in Scotland. If it was, it would have scored over half of the electorate.”
As, in applying the same argument, was also the case with “No” in 2014, but typically in that Basil Fawlty style, you take the “Don’t mention 2014” mantra to new heights!
As clearly demonstrated further up the comments, in the event of the turnout in Scotland ranging from 48% to 94%, “Remain” needed to harvest between 76% (94% turnout) to 100% (48% turnout) of all votes cast in order to have pulled enough votes to reverse the lead put on by “Leave” in E, W & NI… 76-100% for “Remain” of course being nigh impossible.
Perhaps your point that the relatively low voter turnout indicated that voters in Scotland were least concerned regarding the outcome was correct, but not for reasons you alluded to, but rather that voters here were savvy enough to realise that at the end of the day their vote probably wouldn’t count for Jack-shit, and it was very much the case that, through sheer weight of numbers, what England wants, England gets, and the rest can go whistle!
Sam@ 9.59am
Thanks for the reminder. I’d forgotten about community wealth building as I haven’t seen much about it in the media. Looking online, although there’s a lot written about it, it seems to have been embedded rather than bolt-on, but it’s easy to write warm words into a policy document. It’s hard to find concrete examples, though North Ayrshire was the pilot and the north-east seems to be on board too. Maybe it’s early days yet…. Interesting that it’s being linked into land reform.
@ASA
Darling “in terms of perspicacity and capability for public service.”
Well now.
Between them Brown and Darling were responsible for the “light touch” regulatiion of the banking sector in the UK. Meaning that tons of money were being lent to people, not necessarily in the UK, who would never be able to pay it back.
Mortgage lenders were knowingly selling mortgages they knew would not be repaid.They were giving loans to people with no hopes of repaying them. Why? Because the lenders knew they could immediately sell that mortgage and therefore the risk, to a big bank, which would then securitize the mortgage into a CDO, and then sell that CDO to investors. Any risk that the lender took by creating a bad mortgage was quickly transferred to the investor.
A CDO is a Collateralized Debt Obligation and could hold thousands of mortgages in it. Investors would buy them thinking as the mortgages were repaid they would get their money back plus interest. People who invested in CDOs were not to know that the mortgages in them were as valuable as dog shit.
It unravelled when some smart people realised the mortgage selling was a scam. They began to short the shares of the banks involved causing the house of cards to collapse.
That’s Darling’s legacy.”Public service” aye.
Also, it was the same “light touch” regulation that was applied to Foundation Trust Hospitals in England that led to care quality inspectors approving as “good” or “adequate” clinical practice that killed hundreds. See the Francis Report.
RobertkKnight,
It’s remarkably ungenerous of you to not acknowledge that in 2016 intelligent people in E, W and NI helped to stop Scotland from shackling itself to a European suicide truck in slow motion.
ASA…
There, that’s definitely three planks now! Well played… {rolleyes}
They stole our land. (applies today)
They forced a foreign language on us and ridiculed our own language. (but we got our own back)
They made us subjects of a foreign king (still applies today)
They taxed us mercilessly.
We had to scratch a living out of a small plot of land while they hunted in our forests that we were no longer allowed to enter.
They imposed a flag on us that has no meaning and garners no pride.
They imposed a Saint on us with whom we have no affinity.
They replaced our laws.
They trampled roughshod over our customs and culture.
If gas and oil was of any use to them they would have stolen that too,
robertkknight 30 November, 2023 at 3:06 pm
“voters here were savvy enough to realise that at the end of the day their vote probably wouldn’t count for Jack-shit, and it was very much the case that, through sheer weight of numbers, what England wants, England gets, and the rest can go whistle!”
Brexit wasn’t expected to win, not even by pro Brexit politicians, including Boris and Nigel. It could have been a much closer vote and the Scottish votes might have tipped the balance in favour of remain. If you don’t vote, you tacitly endorse the winner. Even if you don’t mean to.
Correct and there is sweet FA you can do about it. Really, the BTL commenting here is mainly one big moan-fest and whining over some imagined or actual grievance ancient or otherwise. Move on FFS.
Or rather don’t. It does give me a good laugh.
Sam
Yes the SNP policy on children is far better. Free school meals, nursery places & mitigating familias against Tory/lab policies of the bedroom tax etc.
——
Anyone thinking of returning to Labour want to give their heads a wobble. When Sturgeon first came to power she extended the free school meals while Slabber & Tory voted AGAINST.
Same in Westminster – they all cheered like Hyenas when the bill was defeated. Off, no doubt, to much on their subsidised smoked mackerel & Bollinger.
Shame on ever single one of them. They are no friend to Scotland & never will be. Those arses rigged ever election we had & kept Scots living in slums & in abject poverty while saddling us in a sea of PFI debt & cooking the books on Scotlands oil wealth (Jappy/McCrone).
SNP has been derailed by GRR. They’ll be punished right enough but it’d be absolute madness to replace them with yoons. Choose Alba or anyone standing on Indy. Punish them with at least someone on our side. The yoons would take a wrecking ball to Holyrood – starting with ending mitigation.
archive.is still not working fully for me, folks, so apologies again for not archiving this: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/full-list-of-45-lloyds-halifax-and-bank-of-scotland-branches-due-to-close/ar-AA1kLMvd?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds&cvid=5747adc739bf4dbfb7bf1ba18bf7cc73&ei=7
“Full list of 45 Lloyds, Halifax and Bank of Scotland branches due to close”
“There has been a massive exodus of branches from the high street in recent years.”
This reminds me of when part of the pre-IndyRef BritNat scaremongering tactics was to tell us all that a ‘Yes’ vote would see all the banks deserting Scotland in their droves? And how they’d all move their headquarters to London etc. Even though we all knew that banks and big business *ALWAYS* trip over themselves in the rush to set up a foothold in any newly independent country, if they’re not already operating in that country. It makes good business sense under opportunity presenting itself. Especially if the country concerned was resources rich, as is the case with Scotland.
That is *EXACTLY* why none of the big banks could ever be referenced at the time supporting the BritNat lies. Just like the pension lies the liars spouted, even when the UKGovs own Department for Work and Pensions was forced to release the facts as reported by the pro-indy side. Mind you, they did all they could to minimise the release of that info, including setting it out in just one very small paragraph buried very deeply somewhere. LOL!
Sam, Alastair Darling only spent a few months in post as Chancellor before the global financial crisis hit, and crucially, it was after the 2007/08 tax year started. So he couldn’t regulate anything before the crisis happened.
If you want to blame anyone, blame that titanic idiot Gordon Brown. The worst excuse for a Scotsman ever born.1
At Geri on 29 November 2023 at 4:19 pm:
That’s me only now seeing your reply. Thank you for the confirmation. Same to anyone else who has responded to my request for confirmation and i’ve not acknowledged you. It’s not deliberate, honest. LOL! 😉
Hearing of the demise of the bloke who ordered the pizzas, whist the banksters worked out how we would bail them out, jogged my memory.
Did lord James of Blackheath ever get an answer regarding the 15 Trillion dollar transfer to the Royal Bank of Scotland?
Lord James of Blackheath_ 15 Trillion Dollar Fraud Exposed – YouTube
@Sam says: You chose to ignore the positive policy which, beyond doubt, puts Scottish children at a great advantage over children elsewhere in the UK.
If we keep telling our primary school children that it’s OK to cut off their cocks and sterilise themselves with puberty blockers there will be no children to take care of. Fuck with nature at your peril, that should be the message loud and clear in Scotland.
Stoker
I was beginning tae wonder lol (kiddin) ;D
Aye, nae worries. I sometimes miss posts too. I dunno if it’s because of the lag or not.
@ASA
“Sam, Alastair Darling only spent a few months in post as Chancellor before the global financial crisis hit, and crucially, it was after the 2007/08 tax year started. So he couldn’t regulate anything before the crisis happened.”
Wrong. “Following the party’s landslide election win, Mr Darling served as chief secretary to the Treasury, putting in place wide-ranging reforms to financial regulation.”
BBC 20 minutes ago.
Pat Blake at 3:34
Indeed “it could have been much closer”, but as it turned out, we needn’t have bothered getting off our backsides – “Remain” had no chance of polling over three quarters of the votes cast in Scotland, which for them even under the best case scenario required the largest and unlikeliest voter turnout in history – one that even countries with compulsory voting only dream of.
@sam says:30 November, 2023 at 1:38 pm
Nice one Sam. Come the revolution, do yous think we should be lining them up above the pre-dug trenches by the way they speak?
Progress of a sort, I guess. In earlier times the selection process involved the look in the eyes. More recently, the state of your hands was examined – calloused and yous were allowed to live.
Yous and RoS need to put your heads together, see if yous can expand your list a little. He seems to be in the mood for dancing on people’s graves today.
And yous better put in a few day’s hard graft – toughen yersel up. Yous can’t be too careful! Wouldn’t want yous topped cos yer a great fat, idle, so-and-so!
@sam says:30 November, 2023 at 1:28 pm
You chose to ignore the positive policy which, beyond doubt, puts Scottish children at a great advantage over children elsewhere in the UK
There was me thinking we Scots were hardly having any kids.
Sure, the schools are filling up with kids, just not our ones, and that puts our kids at quite a disadvantage.
But it’s even worse south of the border, so maybes that what Sam means.
Darling will be seated with auld Nick.
A roaster who sold his country for an ermine cloak.
Stole money out the mouths of weans & lied to pensioners for a bauble from another country. Told no end of porkies about Devo max & shit he knew he had hee-haw chance of delivering after a no vote. Played like a fiddle by Tories for a bit of dead stoat.
An absolute arse of a man. I hope he finds it nice & hot next to Thatcher.
@A Scot Abroad says:30 November, 2023 at 3:57 pm
blame that titanic idiot Gordon Brown. The worst excuse for a Scotsman ever born
A trifle harsh. In his defence, Gordon never got over breaking up with Prudence.
“Den says:
30 November, 2023 at 4:13 pm
@Sam says: You chose to ignore the positive policy which, beyond doubt, puts Scottish children at a great advantage over children elsewhere in the UK.
If we keep telling our primary school children that it’s OK to cut off their cocks and sterilise themselves with puberty blockers there will be no children to take care of. Fuck with nature at your peril, that should be the message loud and clear in Scotland.”
Get a grip, Den.
In Ireland, most of the children with gender dysphoria have problems of autism or have come from Romanian orphanages.The approach is to treat the distress and wait with patience. Most affected children desist on reaching puberty.
The same approach is adopted in Scotland. This from the Herod.
“Gerber said it was often difficult for parents to accept their young children had transgender feelings, and with no specific treatment available the usual approach was “watchful waiting.”
He said: “I have certainly spoken to parents who have children who are very young – under five – and are identifying with the alternative gender and don’t know what to do.
“Sometimes a middle ground might be allowing a child to express themselves at home or around the family, but adopting gender appropriate behaviours at school or in public. But parents obviously need to make up their own minds about that.”
As a nation we are not daft. A great many of our services are well and professionally delivered. We have a cultural mess to deal with re GRR.
Geri says on 30 November 2023 at 3:45 pm:
“Anyone thinking of returning to Labour want to give their heads a wobble… SNP has been derailed by GRR. They’ll be punished right enough but it’d be absolute madness to replace them with yoons. Choose Alba or anyone standing on Indy. Punish them with at least someone on our side. The yoons would take a wrecking ball to Holyrood – starting with ending mitigation.”
I couldn’t agree more, well said. We need to box-clever. We need to give the current SNP a good kicking but at the same time elect only pro-indy folk.
This comment of Geri’s could not have been more timely as far as i’m concerned. Because within the last couple of days i seen someone on here (RoS i think?) posting a comment informing us all that the former ‘No’ campaign chief, Blair McDougall, has made his intentions known to stand in the next elections for the former Tory stronghold of East Renfrewshire, and one time Jim Murphy seat i think?
I Immediately thought, that’s the start of them conspiring to either get Holyrood shut down OR to start a campaign of making huge political changes behind the scenes, against the will of Scotland’s majority, which will make it impossible for anyone to exercise true democracy at Holyrood unless approved by Westminster.
That’s the one and only exception i’d make to not voting SNP. The SNP candidate for that seat would, realistically, be the only one in a position to beat the BritNat vote in that seat. We need to start getting that message out immediately. Let folk know *EXACTLY* who he is and all the IndyRef lies he spouted. And how after the IndyRef vote he laughed as he freely admitted playing the tactics he did. The evidence is all there. McDougall should be exposed with everything we’ve got. He must *NEVER* be allowed anywhere near our politics again.
So once again, Geri, i fully endorse and reiterate your comment. We need to box clever. Pro-indy parties could help in this endeavour by announcing very early on who will be representing them in each and every seat.
@John main
“Wouldn’t want yous topped cos yer a great fat, idle, so-and-so!”
That’s nice. Can’t say the same about you. Soon as you can.
robertkknight 30 November, 2023 at 4:26 pm
But what if the difference had been 1 vote? It wasn’t a regional vote, it was a person by person vote, so Scotland could have changed the result if the other areas had been more balanced. You’re looking at the result with hindsight. I’d believe it more likely that Scottish voters thought that Remain would easily win and there was no reason to make the effort.
@fruitella the hun says:30 November, 2023 at 1:33 pm
all the folk who have being paying attention to how the world is changing
What yous wasting time on here for then, Fruit? To most, it’s still 2014.
The world changed for ever 24 February 2022. That’s when climate concern and Indy both died too, at least until the War is over, one way or another.
Cos Indy, it it ever happens, ain’t gonna happen before then. The Big Boys won’t allow it for bleedin obvious reasons.
But you know the rule on here – don’t mention the War.
If you are genuinely interested in the big picture, check out yesterday’s Unherd article on Finland, understand why Finland is the next front line in the War, and extrapolate from there to see the geopolitical importance of Scotland.
@Geri says:30 November, 2023 at 4:35 pm
Fit were the weans daeing wi money in their mooths?
Filthy habit!
RobertKKnight,
You’re comment at 3:06 pm ,
Compare my comment above yours.
Scots remained Sovereign from being encapsulated into the treaty of union by the debate and final decision of parliamentarians and commissioners in 1707.
On the parliament site in 2023 in England it states the following regarding Scots in 1706/1707,
It was decided not to Put to Scots the vote on the union, as the Scots would probably vote No.
If Scots were avoided being given the vote to join the union in 1707,
What is the necessity for Scots to ever have a voting referendum to leave a union they remained Sovereignly apart from?
Scots have never had a vote yet to join the union,
Pat Blake…
“I’d believe it more likely that Scottish voters thought that Remain would easily win and there was no reason to make the effort.”
I also suspect an element of that.
However, at least the idle amongst the electorate can sleep easy knowing that even if the turnout had been a record breaking 94% and “Remain” had polled a whopping 75%, Scotland would still be out of the EU.
James @ 1:08 pm
“Yous or Youse is in fact a word”
Deid richt an aw:
you [ju?, S. j?u]
also ye [ji?, j?] pl. ye col. yese [ji?z]
pron. You. pl. you col. youse [ju?z]
As in: ‘youse daeless electit SNP bams’
James Che,
do you know who it was that decided the Scots shouldn’t have a vote in 1706? Or what the franchise was back then?
(I don’t know the answer to the second question, but my instinct is that it would have been establishment figures: nobles, landowners, businessmen, probably the clergy. But no women)
Daily Express
“Two SNP politicians had an extramarital affair that was discovered by a furious jilted partner. The relationship is said to have continued during the Covid pandemic in breach of lockdown restrictions.
The Scottish Daily Express is aware of the identity of all those involved but is not naming them – at this stage – for legal reasons. One of the people who was cheated on has been spoken to by various media outlets, although there is said to be considerable pressure on them not to go public about the affair.
The individual concerned is believed to have discovered the illicit relationship between his partner and another married SNP politician after finding incriminating and highly personal messages on a mobile phone.
A source close to the story said: “There were a lot of rumours about the affair and the politician’s other half was well aware of them, but they didn’t want to do anything without evidence. It all came to a head when they found these texts.”
@Sam says: As a nation we are not daft. A great many of our services are well and professionally delivered. We have a cultural mess to deal with re GRR.
The mess was created by the SNP/ Green (sex party) and their infiltration by Stonewall at the highest level of government. The genie is now out the bottle thanks to Nicola Sturgeons reliance on the sex party creeps to keep her in government . Now society has to suffer the long road back and he’ll mend every MP who stood and applauded when the GRR passed the Scottish Parliament , the polite pretence that men dressed as women were (dain naeboby any herm) has long gone there are extremely dangerous people who have taken over these organisations. I will never forgive the SNP / Greens for what they have done.
Any idea who’s been cheating on who during lockdown within the SNP? And where?
Who broke lockdown rules with a sordid extramarital affair?
Sordid and dirty. The SNP way! Instead of spreading love with their partner. They’ve spread potentially contaminated bodily fluids. It’s the SNP way!
In guessing the affair was somewhere filthy. Like Patrick Grady’s favourite dogging spot at car park in the sky or strangers bar. Where hands wander.
Who’s been shagging who? I smell lavender. Was a flying Iron, Balmoral and French Fancy cakes involved?
Any ideas boys?
Just seen that eyebrows Alaister Darling is dead. Along with the better together campaign. A daily reminder to never vote for the Labour Party.
Salmond coming out and saying nice things. The guy was a tosser. His mob crashed the banks. He was one of Tony Blair’s gang of war criminals. Never speak ill of the dead.
Well. Fuck Alaister Darling. The Labour Party and every single one of their ilk.
Well said about darling Geri, it’s funny how all these duplicitous thieving scum all become saints when they croak , people seem to easily forget the corruption and despicable avoidable harm these paragons of virtue served on others whilst enriching and gorging themselves
I laugh uproariously when I see the media promoting these troughers as socialists , at least with the tories you know they are greedy bastards who don’t give a shit about anyone other than themselves, but these plastic do gooders would shake your hand whilst dipping your pockets
Quick pass the sick bucket..YUK!!!
As expected the Britnat media news in Scotland, this time its STV news now ran by ITV, it has the likes of Gordon Brown, Anas Sarwar, and Ruth Davidson eulogising over Alastair Darling, even Humza Yousaf and Alex Salmond said a few good words about him.
In reality Darling along with the full weight of the Britnat media, lied and scaremongered to stop people voting for independence, now look at the state Scotland’s in due to him and his House Jock politicians lying and scaring the public into voting against what is best for Scotland and Scots.
Darling was a enemy of Scottish progression, he promoted staying in the union which is the enemy of Scottish progression, his subservience to London like many other Scottish House Jock politicians should see him remembered for all the wrong reason, good riddance I say.
@David Hannah says:30 November, 2023 at 5:31 pm
considerable pressure on them not to go public about the affair
Shagging fer Scotland – these loons and quines know how to put Scotland first and still have fun.
I like to say “show us the money”, but maybes I’ve been overlooking something.
[I say “loons and quines” but that’s me just being old-fashioned. It may well be a completely different pairing. Puts an entire new slant on “jigsaw identification”, as we all try to puzzle out which piece goes where]
David Hannah @ 17.37.
If your previous post quoting the DE is correct in alleging that the two folk involved were SNP MSPs it’s unlikely that there would be a “French Fancy” involved, David.
James says:
30 November, 2023 at 1:08 pm
Chas;
Yous or Youse is in fact a word. Just not in your country.
===================
I don’t know his country but you are correct. “Yous” is certainly a word- at least in Glasgow and West Central Scotland. It is the equivalent of the American plural ‘“y’all” or archaic English, “ye”.
Naysayers of “yous(e)” would have risked the wrath of the late Glasgow poet, Tom Leonard.
After the crisis of 2007/8 it might be thought that banks would not continue to misbehave.
The UK quickly became the money laundering capital of the world and banks continued their misdeeds.
From Reuters 2016
“Lawsuits and misconduct fines have cost Britain’s largest retail banks and customer-owned lenders almost 53 billion pounds over the past 15 years, a new study has found.
The scale of the payouts has hampered banks’ efforts to rebuild capital, restricted the amount they are able to lend and reduced dividends for investors.
Britain’s banks have been hit by scandals ranging from the manipulation of foreign exchange and benchmark interest rates to the mis-selling of loan insurance and complex interest-rate hedging products.
While lenders have struggled to return money to shareholders because of the charges, they have continued to pay billions of pounds in bonuses to staff, the study by the independent think-tank New City Agenda said.
“The profitability of UK retail banks has been imperilled by persistent misconduct,” said John McFall, a director of New City Agenda and former Treasury Committee chairman.
“This has made every citizen poorer through our pension funds and our ownership of the bailed out banks.”
The report said the mis-selling of payment protection insurance alone cost banks at least 37.3 billion pounds in Britain’s costliest consumer scandal.
Lloyds Banking Group (LLOY.L) had to set aside 14 billion pounds to cover misconduct between 2010 and 2014, almost twice the amount of any other British lender, the report said.”
David Hannah.
Here Peter A Bell hints that there’s not a indy politician in Scotland that has what it takes (a ruthless streak) to rid us of London Rule, and I tend to agree with him on that.
https://peterabell.scot/2023/11/28/received-wisdom/#
obits, chewin the fat style – good guys and wanks
kissinger – wank; one of the true lords of the sith, his winning of the nobel peace prize was described as “the day satire died”. And yet, of late, he started to sound a lot more reasonable than the crazed neocons trying to start wars all over the place
shane macgowan – good guy; people of my generation have seen the pogues at least once in concert, if they can remember it. Did well to get to 65.
alastair darling – wank; was asleep at the wheel during the banking crisis, shat his pants when the bankers threatened him with terrorism (destroy the payments system, i.e. attack critical infrastructure, if they were not bailed out), then wrote a laughable book about how HE had SAVED BRITAIN in its darkest hour
dean – jimmy corkhill – sullivan – good guy
Blair McDougall responds to questions on Scotland voting ‘No’:
“We would have struggled to win without scaremongering”
As reported by BUZZFEEDNEWS on 22/09/14: “Scotland might have voted for independence in last weeks referendum if his campaign had made a positive case for the union, rather than scaremongering about economic risks.”
And had The Edinburgh Agreement not been broken with ‘The Vow’.
It wasn’t just “scaremongering” though, was it? The ‘No’ side ran a negative campaign of pure lies and deception projected with anger, venom and threats against anything and anyone in favour of ‘Yes’ because there is no “positive case” for their union. If there was they would have used it and they would have had it posted through every door in Scotland.
Folk were even being told a ‘Yes’ vote would lead to them losing their jobs. Some companies even distributed letters to employees warning about it. The BritNats on WOS have absolutely no clue what went on during that campaign simply because they weren’t even here in Scotland. Now they think they can just turn up here on WOS and we’ve all just to fall-in-line behind their every word.
BTW: I see the BBC News24 Channel had Blair McDougall on for his memories of Alistair Darling. Out of the thousands of folk they could possibly have had on, folk who knew Darling far better than he ever did, why that proven liar? No doubt making sure his face becomes well known to East Renfrewshire voters etc. Shame the BBC will not show those voters the facts about the proven liar. Someone needs to get to work on a good A5-size, double-sided, article all about McDougall, to be posted through every door in East Renfrewshire. It wouldn’t cost that much to print.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F28lKwtXoAERLqa.jpg
https://thereferendum.scot
Just reading Ash Regan’s plan for the referendum.
The question within the SNPs power.
This would be on the question:
“Should the Scottish Parliament have the power to negotiate and legislate for Scottish
independence?”
Ash Regan
30th November 2023
Who could say no to that?
You’ll know the SNP are as corrupt as FUCK. When they choose not to adopt that as part of the 50 plus 1 strategy to mobilise international support as Ash Regan says.
Yes Mam. I am with you. As I am with Scotland United at the next General election most likely before that too.
God bless Ash Regan. The Alba Party. ALEX SALMOND AND INDEPENDENCE.
This would be on the question:
“Should the Scottish Parliament have the power to negotiate and legislate for Scottish
independence?”
Ash Regan
30th November 2023
Yes! What do we want! Independence! When do we want it! Now!
Yes. We can hold that question? 10 year anniversary. Fucking ask it SNP.
We know the soup taking bastards in Westminster are as corrupted as fuck. We can least lead the horse to water. But we can’t make it drink.
They will get a good seeing to. That’s for sure. And they deserve to be obliterated in London. Fuck all of them. All of their jobs. Those soup taking bastards in London. P45. On the dole queue party over country. Find yourselves another job mother fuckers.
You can lead a horse to water. But you can’t make it drink.
Our struggle for freedom. For Independence goes on. With or without the house jocks.
So that’s Scotland United for Independence.
That’s a referendum.
And that’s 50 plus 1.
And that’s harbouring international support.
And that’s all after they rejected the Independence super majority.
When their house jocks are wiped out they’ll need plan B won’t they?
These rat bags in the SNP are going the way of the Irish Independence Party. I.P.P.
2.0.
Bring on the fight. Bring it on Steven Flynn. Bring it on. Every single one of you. Bring it on boys.
ASA,
Yes the parliament of England, the commissioners and even members of the Scottish parliament before it was dissolved must have considered a franchise to put the vote to join the treaty of union to the Scots separately and beyond the parliament of Scotland and the monarch of England.
The Scots claim of right has to be recognised as the law in Scotland, but if England denies that law it denies itself a replacement monarch from King James to Queen Anne of England, as it was the Scots Sovereign claim of right of that was passed in the parliament of Scotland that resulted in a Stuart monarch of England,
However Queen Anne was excepted and coronated in England as Queen of England, she at the same time was never coronated Queen of Scots nor took the Scottish Oath in Scotland.
Only England claims to have made her Queen of Scots or its territory of Scotland from the kingdom of England,
That was the first deceit played upon the Scots.
Herein lies a red herring,
It is obvious at that point there was no union of Crowns or kingdoms between the two Countries as England claims, after being queen of England for a while they then appear to have made her queen of Scots from England,
The stench of fishy story cheating is strong.when England tells us they have just taken the oath to Scotland in England to make their english queen queen of Scotland,
And of corse there is no record of it taken place other than a letter from England.
And so to return to the vote that Scots should have had, as no monarch nor parliament of Scotland was above the people and their important vote on wether to join the treaty of union under the claim of Right. If England wanted Anne as their Queen,
The Question was never put to the Sovereign Scots because they would undoubtable vote No as the parliament site in England states in 2023.
The Sovereign Scots do not require a “referendum” to leave the treaty of union that they were never asked to join,
And the monarch of England could not create or vouch for the treaty of union on Scotlands behalf as she was not the monarch of Scotland, from The authority of the Queen of England,
And if you read carefully Scotland did agree to her being the rightful queen of Englands throne.
The non treaty of union of the Great British parliament holds no Dissolved Scottish parliament members in it , but it gains its Sovereignty in Westminster parliament from the queen of England and the monarch still swears an oath to the parliament of England to this very day.
Then at a later date comes up to Scotland and pretends to be coronated as the monarch of Scotland, out of sight and without permission of the Claim of right Sovereign Scots,
Never asked yourself why the monarch is required to do two separate ceremonies in two separate kingdoms?
A false hood carried on for the sake of appearances in a long standing deceit in the kingdom of Scotland perhaps.
There is one point that I agree with for yourself and xaracen,
There is a treaty of union with the parliament of England and the Scots whom signed their names and gave their Seals to the agreement,
But they were no longer members of the Scottish parliament that had been dissolved by and from the parliament of England.
And the Sovereign Scots at present that were left out of the treaty of union with Englands parliament have not opened a new parliament in Scotland yet,
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/scottish-independence-referendum-westminster-voting-intention-26-27-november-2023/
Humza Yousless has taken the SNP into second place. For the first time in Westminster voting intentions. According to Redfield and Wilton polling.
He’s lost what 3 or 4 council by elections and an MP by election. Poor Katy Louden. She didn’t stand a chance with her party councilors protesting the women’s event in Rutherglen.
When will Humza be sacked?
When will be be sacked?
Where are the men in the grey Kilts? Are they now females in dresses?
What’s happening in Scottish politics?
We need to bring them down.
The alphabetties need to be named immediately. We need to bring the government down immediately and reclaim our Independence from the IPP 2.0.
What are the two Davies saying? The SNPs biggest most loyal fans.
Where are the SNP cheerleaders tonight?
The two Davies. Where are the cheer leaders for the SNP tonight?
Let’s hear your voice. Stronger for who?
I stand with Humza. Let’s hear it. Nicola for the EU. Let’s hear it cheer leaders.
Last thing I’ll say. Alaister Darling. Deid. 10 years on. On the day big Eck announces a new plan for a new referendum, and a new way forward for Independence.
The dream of Independence. Shall never die. It will never die. Until our last breaths.
Who said this?: The departing Salmond can “leave the party in the capable hands of Nicola Sturgeon.”
Answer? None other that “Rev.” Stu Campbell (my fellow Campbell clansman, BWTW), Sept. 4, 2012. He also called Sturgeon “trusted.” Yes, that’s correct–“capable” and “trusted.”
What’s comical about this site is the people who scream loudest for Alba and against the SNP are (mostly) the same people who voted for the SNP and their leaders in the past.
Those who never voted SNP have more of a right to criticize the current inept, corrupt SNP leadership, than those who are (in part) responsible for the current SNP leadership.
Den says;
‘Now society has to suffer the long road back and he’ll mend every MP who stood and applauded when the GRR passed the Scottish Parliament ,’
This should definitely include the ‘leader’ of the laughable Libdems for his toe-curlingly awful toadying up to the gargoyle gallery
Dundee Scot @ 20.07
“A hypocrite despises those whom he deceives, but has no respect for himself. He would make a dupe of himself too, if he could . William Hazlitt.
As the deceitful Ms Sturgeon successfully fooled her mentor, Mr Salmond, as well as her party and the vast majority of SNP members and supporters, it’s hardly surprising that our host failed to see through her well disguised duplicity some two years prior to her taking power and commencing to destroy the Party from within.
Dundee Scot says:30 November, 2023 at 8:07 pm
Hindsight is such a great thing, isn’t it?
@PacMan says:30 November, 2023 at 9:13 pm
Hindsight is such a great thing, isn’t it?
See when HY was voted SNP pretendy leader after a solid track record of serial failures in different capacities spanning years?
Was that hindsight?
Fess up and own it, just for once.
John Main says: 30 November, 2023 at 9:52 pm
Dundee Scot was talking about the Rev’s endorsement of Sturgeon in 2014.
Definition of hindsight – the ability to understand an event or situation only after it has happened
I fail to see what the comment that I had replied to has to do with Yousaf?
CHEATING NATS SNP politicians broke Covid lockdown rules during sleazy affair while both were married:
“I am fearful about the repercussions if I did, and I have to protect my family at all costs. That’s the most important thing for me.
“However, I’m relieved that people now know that there was an affair. The whole thing has been devastating for me.”
It’s a woman that’s been cheating. The husband has slut shamed his cheating whore wife in the press to protect his family.
What a saint he is.
I can’t wait until we find out what criminal law breaking unfaithful cheating SNP MP has been doing.
They’ll be lots of cash in envelopes going around.
Any ideas who this could be?
I hope he’s reading this. What kind of man, slut shames his ex wife. Or current wife. In the press.
“To protect his family.”
And then claims to be the victim. Because he is afraid of “repercussions” I.e. Her.
Michael Matheson? Reveal yourself!
Really pathetic. I can’t wait to find out who this absolute fucking loser is. He might give Michael Matheson, a run for his money in the worst Dad of the year competition. It sounds like he deserved to be cheated on. I don’t like men that do that to women.
It’s over. And she’s taking the dogs.
She’s taking the dogs and the house.
You’re no protector of your family by throwing the kitchen sink at your ex wife on her way out. And smearing her in the press.
But. At least mummy will be going to jail kids.
What an absolute scumbag. Let’s be honest?
Catching up after a day out of circulation. I see Matheson is still in post. The new Chief Constable evades a question on Operation Branchform but apologises for her indiscretion. 500 to 600 policemen down on 18 months ago. Pity I forecast an increase in lawlessness in Scotland. The early evidence is already there. The law applies to everyone or no-one. Confidence in Police Scotland falls to 50% amongst the wider public. A perfect storm? For me, Matheson has committed a criminal offence in attempting to defraud the public purse never mind being a resigning offence. That and other unresolved matters gives the impression Police Scotland have lost their impartially. And everyone else can see that. BTW with 2 serving Police Officers in my immediate family that is a matter of concern to me.
@PacMan says:30 November, 2023 at 10:07 pm
I fail to see what the comment that I had replied to has to do with Yousaf?
Dundee Scot’s comment, reposted by yourself at 9:13 contains the following:
the current inept, corrupt SNP leadership
I naturally assumed that could only apply to HY.
Good grief, is there more than one!?!?!
What a load of shite re Sturgeon.
She only went off the rails in 2018/19. Psychopaths mirror ppl – it’s what they do. Eventually the mask slips as a new cause arrives (Stonewall) UK government got to her in a hotel room. She was never the same after that..
What’s the yoons excuse for voting fir shite?
Alex Cole – Wank. Only claim to fame – helping a male prostitute in parliament enter women’s spaces. Also the same bully who bullied Joanna Cherry.
Douglas – Wank. Stole money & *forgets* he does it. Trips over grass.
Sarwar – Wank. Doesn’t even pay staff a living wage. Puppet.
BoJo – wank. Went mental in the treasury like a kid in a sweet shop. Greedy, slobby, lazy bastard & permanent freeloading leech. Any holiday pads going spare?
Sir Starmer – Wank. More u turns than a learner driver. Judas. Assange. A born liar. Mr fix it. Trust at yer peril.
That’s quite a roll call of failure. I haven’t even mentioned Big bird Theresa Mayhem, Truss or Sunak lol
David Hannah
It’s my belief that “I did it allll for you, Beth”
Has been getting down & dirty in Holyrood with everyone & wee Patrick was in the shadows recording them all getting jiggy with it in the presiding officers chair.
& That’s why they have an unbreakable Bute House agreement.
The one having an affair can be drastically narrowed down. Most of the SNP belong to the LGBTQI2BDSMQWERTYBARCODEWIFI+++ Club.
Is it MP or MSP?
@ John Main
Quite clearly you can’t read. Here is his full text:
I take it enjoy humiliating yourself?
Which reminds me..
Talking of hypocritters..I see Scotgov has an add out to “protect women’s space”
Male voices spook women. Especially alone in the dark.
Are they having a fcking laugh after all the shit they’ve just passed in giving flashers & pervs free access all areas?
If it’s MP
We can rule out the purple haired freak.
As she doesn’t know if she has a vagina or not LOL
Geri 11.20am
“Scotland isn’t in control of its economy, stupid.
Scotland has no control over the cost of living either.
Those two are the result of being colonised.
& Neoliberal England.”
No country is in control of its economy and has no control over the cost of living either and that INCLUDES England who are just as enslaved and controlled as Scotland and every other country.
As I have said before the cost of living/world financial crisis is DELIBERATE by the Mafia Rothschild’s/Royals etc on behalf of their Mafia bosses in the Vatican Private Corporation that is NOT part of Italy and they control all of the worlds countries Central Banks INCLUDING the EU’s via the City of London Private Corporation that is NOT part of the UK and THEIR Bank of England Private Corporation that is also owned and controlled by them out of the City and also via Washington DC that is also NOT part of the US and THEIR Federal Reserve that is also owned and controlled by them and all of these Banks are controlled via the Rothschild’s/Vatican Bank of International Settlements that is based in the Vatican controlled Switzerland where THEIR NGO’s such as the World Economic Forum is based as well and also the Bilderberg Group who have meetings every year to decide what the AGENDA is going to be for the next year that our leaders/Chancellors go to a lot to get their orders. THEIR World Health Organization is also based in Switzerland as well and they have been carrying out their part of this agenda this last few years in destroying the economies with the lockdown’s etc as well as the genocide agenda.
These Central Banks are printing money out of thin air and lending that NOTHING to our puppet governments at massive interest and then they are taxing us stupid to pay that NOTHING back – Your taxes pay for NOTHING – We should NOT be paying any taxes as the governments should be printing their own debt and interest free money and if they were actually doing that then there would be NO inflation and we would all be better off and the country would not be in the state it is in. The US used to do this with their Greenback Dollar before they were scammed into this system and the UK did it with the Bradbury Pound as well. You need REAL independence to do this though and not gagging to be part of another corrupt controlled union that is robbing the people via this scam system.
The biggest part of this scam is the FACT that so many people are suffering in this cost of living crisis or from poverty in the poorer nations when EVERYONE has a Trust worth £MILLIONS at least ever since our governments/political parties CONNED our mothers into registering us at birth and they have been trading us on the New York Stock Exchange since then and everything that you buy, loans, mortgages, benefits, pension etc is PREPAID from your Trust and then they con us into paying for them again.
These are known as the Vatican Cestui Que Vie Trusts and they hide all of this from the people of this world because when you die they sneakily divvy your Trust between the Queen/Rothschild’s/Vatican etc Mafias.
These Cestui Que Vie Trusts were Foreclosed and replaced in 2012 and handed over to every man, woman and child on this planet and everyone in their Trust was given their share of all of the gold on this planet worth $10 BILLION each – this was done because money is WORTHLESS and printed from NOTHING.
You can find all of this being exposed in my video THE DEMOCRACY ILLUSION on my William Woods Youtube channel and on my Billy Carlin Rumble, Bitchute etc channels and on the Internet Archive – all EVIDENCE that I took against the DWP and Government all the way up to the Court of Session in Edinburgh. Of course they failed to REBUT any of this just like the Pope could not in 2013 with these Foreclosures hence why he resigned back then.
Everything that the UN, EU, Governments, Councils, Courts etc are doing is FRAUD, DECEPTION and totally breaching Trust and Contract Law.
Sven @ 12:48 pm
“Professor Baird’s “post colonial theories””
I am merely learning from other postcolonial theorists, notably Cesaire, his student Fanon, Memmi, Hechter, Said, Freire etc. These are all well established published theoretical works that can readily be applied to various situations, as I have done in the case of Scotland.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/07/18/determinants-of-independence-colonialism/
I was at the Pogues Barrowland gig in 87.
After, we headed up to some arty chick’s west end party where we were told Joe Strummer would appear. He didn’t, but it was good anyway.
Tears in the rain …
Geri says:
“It’s my belief that “I did it allll for you, Beth”
Has been getting down & dirty in Holyrood with everyone & wee Patrick was in the shadows recording them all getting jiggy with it in the presiding officers chair.”
Ahaha. What a lovely mental image.
The police are losing their impartiality in Scotland. Rainbow flags and officer Petunia coming to an old firm game near you, with Joe Farrell the new woke chief of Police. That likes the first class lifestyle the SNP are accostomed to.
At this rate I want Westminster to intervene. They’ve spend over 1 million on the missing 600K. Worth every penny to see Sturgeon in jail.
Yet Dorothy Bain of the clown office of clowns. And Lady Doughball of the former justice system, now injustice system hasn’t charged anyone.
Now Michael Matheson keeps his job. Even after 4 weeks of Douglas Ross complaining about it at Parliament. It is a disgrace. No one ever gets fired in Scotland. Not this SNP. The thumb Patrick Grady and Harvie and Slater are still in their posts. It’s a shambles.
Well done to you two serving honest police officer friends. They are the real heroes. Their leaders are failing them.
PAC man says
“Dundee Scot was talking about the Rev’s endorsement of Sturgeon in 2014.”
Wrong.
I specifically wrote, in the same sentence, that I was quoting from a 2012 missive, not 2014.
To quote a commenter here, “Quite clearly you can’t read.”
The “Rev” may have been stupid in 2014 also, but I didn’t mention that.
And some wonder why people leave Scotland.
The political debate is like Teletubbies claiming benefits while not being able to do basic maths. Somebody sitting in a corner whining about colonialism, somebody else whining about ancient guff, somebody else going on about stolen oil, and a fourth not understanding demographics. There ain’t any grown ups in the debate.
Dundee dud
What relevance is it what someone said over 11 years ago?
Is there a point coming anytime soon?
@PacMan says:30 November, 2023 at 10:59 pm
I take it enjoy humiliating yourself?
This some kinda code?
It’s (still) a free country – You take it any way you like.
@Geri says:1 December, 2023 at 4:38 am
What relevance is it what someone said over 11 years ago?
We would first have to establish the cut off period for the Ancient Guff.
At some point, contemporary affairs become irrelevant, and hence Ancient Guff. But when?
11 years? A hundred years?
I favour the biblical three score plus ten myself.
So to answer your question, what someone said over 11 years ago is still completely relevant. Everything since December 1953 is.
@Alf Baird says:30 November, 2023 at 11:39 pm
I am merely learning
Have you learned the difference between colonialism and postcolonialism?
These are obviously different things, if we are to apply any rigour to language, something I would expect a trained engineer to be very aware of.
I note you usually refer to the basis of your work in this field as being postcolonial theory, yet “postcolonial” has not made it into the title of your publication – “determinants-of-independence-colonialism”.
Innarestin, n’est-ce pas?
Highly opinionated John Main and ASA never seem to bait one another. Are they part of a tag team? Or just in complete agreement? Very strange.
John Main says: 1 December, 2023 at 6:49 am
Of course it is a free country and you have every right to make yourself completely foolish to everyone else if you want to be.
David Hannah @ 1:19 am
“injustice system”
In a colonial society the complicit and disgraced national party ‘behaves like a gang’, it ‘takes the people up a blind alley and becomes ‘an implement of coercion’ (Fanon).
Whenever colonialism is imperilled ‘it shows its fangs’, descending into ‘its roots, which is fascism’ (Cesaire).
John Main @ 7:16 am
“Have you learned the difference between colonialism and postcolonialism?”
Colonialism is the reality of the peoples ‘condition’, usually defined primarily as economic plunder, external political control, and settler occupation.
Postcolonial theory, which is based on the study and understanding of colonial society realities, explains colonial procedures, how the system takes effect, and the remedy.
John Main @ 7:16 am
“Have you learned the difference between colonialism and postcolonialism?”
Colonialism is the reality of the peoples ‘condition’, usually defined primarily as economic plunder, external political control, and se***er occupation.
Postcolonial theory, which is based on the study and understanding of colonial society realities, explains colonial procedures, how the system takes effect, and the remedy.
@Luigi
Re this site’s very own Montgolfier Brothers’, Gas Main and Ass Caught. They both use the word ‘guff’. As a child of the sixties I remember this word from back then. One would have thought that their ops manual would have been updated.
If I was Margaret Ferrier I would be very angry this am. She was hung out to dry by her SNP colleagues the very same colleagues who were sneaking around exchanging body fluids breaking every Covid rule in the book. The same MPs who castigated Johnson, Hancock, Cummings but in reality were no better , arguably doing worse. SNP HQ should really deal with this now rather that allow the Mail and the Express to choose a time to release the names which will no doubt be at the worst possible time for the SNP. (and they have had a few lately)
Which nations/people don’t moan about colonialism? Successful ones, or at least those without an inferiority complex eg periodically some Americans will hark back to ‘the red coats are coming’ but mostly they’re over it.
England doesn’t lament those times when it was owned.
England still is.
I note the comments from some of the previously named Bonnie Purple Heather Brigade, following the passing of Alistair Darling.
It seems I have previously been too polite. Going forward this group shall now be called THE SCUM.
Like him or not Mr Darling was a man of integrity who fought for his beliefs. Compare him to the SNP and Tory politicians who rule the roost today.
If the scum are members of the Alba Party it is little wonder that the Party are failing to gain any traction in Scotland. What decent, honest, educated Scot would want to be associated with the likes of Geri, RoS, David Hannah, Twathater and others.
The Scum may form a majority on sites like Wings but the reality is, that in Scotland overall, they are a tiny bigoted faction.
How easy it is to try and come across as an ‘Online Toughguy’, spouting bile and bitterness…….and failing miserably.
It only impresses similar small minded individuals.
As is normal with the Scum I expect to be shouted down in 3…2…1
Rev Stu-I know you will have neither the time or the inclination to read every comment before it is posted but some of the posts regarding Mr Darling are not befitting of your site.
@Oneliner says:1 December, 2023 at 8:57 am
both use the word ‘guff’. As a child of the sixties I remember this word from back then
If ‘guff’ was around in the sixties, then by my 70 year threshold, it’s still current.
‘Guff’ won’t itself become “Ancient Guff” for another decade or so. Then we’ll have to come up with a new term.
What’s the betting we’ll still be endlessly and pointlessly points scoring 10 years from now?
“Like him or not Mr Darling was a man of integrity who fought for his beliefs.”
Ha, ha what a load of utter bollocks, like you, and you still are, Darling was London puppet.
“Darling was pressing Trotskyite tracts on bewildered railwaymen at Waverley Station in Edinburgh. He was a supporter of the International Marxist Group, whose publication was entitled the Black Dwarf.”
“Morgan Stanley has said former Chancellor Alistair Darling will join the bank’s board of directors.
Mr Darling, who served as the Chancellor of the Exchequer from 2007 to 2010, will take up the role in January …
Morgan Stanley’s chief executive James Gorman said the US bank would “greatly benefit from his experience.” ”
http://liberalengland.blogspot.com/2015/12/alistair-darling-from-black-dwarf-to.html
Colonial theory is just another load of academic bollocks that can be put on the same shelf as all the Marxist-Leninist text books that millions of Soviets and satellite state students were forced to study for year.
Wherever there is a concentration of power the immediate area benefits to the detriment of the periphery. You can find it in every capital city and regional centre on the planet.
The more of the economy is under the rule of the monarch or the state, the worse it gets.
So yes Scotland suffers under Westminster, Moray suffers under Edinburgh, Golspie suffers under Inverness.
With Scottish society under a socialist spell with an ever growing state, it will become increasingly grim under independence, all except the gender bending cronies of the cabinet.
Patrick Harvey in a postion of influence over energy policy empowered to kick you back doors in to check out your boiler FFS.
@John Main
Assuming that they are not mutually exclusive, your riposte was both ‘gear’ and ‘fab’.
Man, I don’t like George Galloway but what he is saying in this podcast is beyond shocking.
youtube.com/watch?v=IU9oFkQY8JA&ab_channel=GeorgeGalloway
Unlike the forty beheaded babies lies what Galloway is saying will be true.
Agree with his conclusions as well. Things are really bad…
I never thought I would see the things being done in Ukr@ine again in 21st Century Europe in my lifetime but now what we are seeing here in the middle east has taken that feeling of surreal disbelief and magnified it to an extreme that I struggle to believe what is happening in front of me.
It is not just what is happening, nor even the people cheerleading it, for me the worst are the people just ignoring it. I am not talking about anyone here but on wider social media, life…
Just listen what Galloway says above… as he says, ‘what kind of person does this’. It is staggering to see in modern times.
And the whole world is watching like never before.
Why is Humza Yousaf attending COP28 in Dubai? a nice wee jaunt if you ask me, I mean Scotland’s emissions are miniscule compared to bigger nations around the globe. Yousaf took time out to kowtow (again, he did it at the handing over of the Stone of Scone) to the English King Charles III who was also in attendance.
I’m sure there’s far more important things to attend to at home such as the Grangemouth saga or the Housing crisis.
“Speaking in Dubai yesterday, the First Minister said: “I am proud of Scotland’s leadership in advocating for climate justice and progressing a just transition to net zero.”
Everyone knows Net Zero is not achievable for any nation, and certainly not Scotland where a foreign country (England) calls most of the shots.
The death of Mr Darling does not automatically bring hagiography. Mostly what has been said about him amounts to,” he was a decent bloke and he bailed out the banks”.
Unsaid is the fact that Darling set up the light touch regulation that allowed the banks to engage in activities that led to the crash and then he provided the greatest sum of money passed from public to private hands.
Repayment from LLoyds is still outstanding and the resolution of that debt might mean a loss of billions to the public purse.
@Republicofscotland says:1 December, 2023 at 10:50 am
Why is Humza Yousaf attending COP28 in Dubai?
Seriously RoS?
Open yer bedroom curtains, tak a wee keek ootside.
It’s fecking baltic, so it is.
There’s not one of us wouldn’t be off tae Dubai in a shot if we got the chance.
OK, I’ve had my wee joke, so now I’ll explain what I suspect he’s doing. He’ll be passing on the inside track on how to colonise gullible, wee, softie countries, take them over and steer them in pursuit of a personal agenda. The info he has to share will be worth a king’s ransom in the circles he mixes in.
@Mac says:1 December, 2023 at 10:48 am
the people cheerleading it
Who are they, Mac? Name names.
I don’t mean some pissy points scoring effort about the irrelevant posters on here. Name the serious people in positions of responsibility who are cheerleading for it.
Cos I haven’t seen or heard any.
Please don’t respond with yet another thoughts free knee jerk claim that anybody calling for a lasting cease fire on both sides is an irredeemable genocidal satanist.
Sam @ 11.04
Government has no shares in Lloyd’s, they do have a reducing, and loss making, share in NatWest (RBS).
The global financial crisis was caused by a lot more than UK regulation (Freddie Mae and Fanny Mac, NINJA mortgages etc). It is also worth considering the cost the UK economy if the banks had been allowed to fail. it is a complex and multifaceted subject, more than one man good or bad.