This is Conservative MP Dominic Raab, a member of the Brexit Select Committee, speaking on the BBC News Channel’s “Hard Talk” programme at 00.45 this morning. Perhaps imagining that nobody would be watching at such an ungodly hour, it seems he felt able to be unusually candid.
We left the last bit on in order to demonstrate that he was still talking about Scotland as well as Ireland. (He went on to recite the usual boilerplate about all leaving together as the UK etc etc, you can watch the whole show for yourself on iPlayer.)
But let’s just get that key early exchange down in writing for the record.
STEPHEN SACKUR: There is a question of whether in Ireland, and possibly in Scotland too – if Scots got their way – there would be a hard border between those nations of the United Kingdom and England. Will there be a hard border?
DOMINIC RAAB: Look, it terms of with Scotland it would be, I think, wrong as a matter of principle and impossible to enforce. […] We’re not going to erect a hard border. We said that during the referendum campaign, the government says it now.
That’s both highly specific and entirely unambiguous. So the next time some Unionist clown tries to push the line about border posts at Berwick at you and they don’t want to listen to dastardly cybernat types like ourselves, you know where to send them.