Wings Over Scotland

Hahaha
Good one Chris

Terrible state of affairs when the infighting might hand Labour the gig in Scotland very scary

Sturgeon did what they could not do…..Sadly, that was protect the Union.

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ANTOINE BISSET.

Le temps est souvent limité et le moment juste dépendra de vos intentions à long terme.

(Timing is often crucial, and the right moment will depend on your long-term intentions)

Muscleguy/Ottomanboi

Je vous remercie de vos réponses. La plupart de mes commentaires sont pour rigoler, mais, au fond, aussi très sérieux. (Je suis né à Newhaven, un village de pêcheurs.)

Thank you for your replies. Most of my comments are for fun, but, deep down, also very serious.
(I was born in Newhaven, a fishing village.)

Maybe a period of unionists control at Holyrood is what’s required to sharpen our focus. It pains me to say it but there it is.

Ha, Chris, and excellent physical representation of Alex (I love Beth) Cole-Hamilton.

Meanwhile you have to ask yourself if independence is the be all and end all for the SNP (the reason they were founded) then why are some of the membership voting for Forbes or Yousaf, even the thickest SNP member knows by now that they two have no viable plan to free Scotland from this union, its only Ash Regan that has a workable plan.

I can only suggest that some of the membership are more interested in continuity that independence, I say to the membership if you don’t vote for Regan to be the next leader, then you are against Scottish independence and are no better than a Britnat.

If the SNP is not cleansed, we might just as well have the Unionists in power at Holyrood because the end result will be the same. Actually, no, it will be far, far worse because the ‘trans’ lobby will do their utmost to dispel and destroy any lingering hopes of independence. It is quite simply not part of the plan of destruction of civil society. In truth, they see the UK as one entity, Europe as absorbing that entity into its own mass and, from there, the entire West/Anglo-sphere being the all-encompassing whole. China, Russia, the Middle East, the Far East: once the West succumbs, if it does, the rest then become the ultimate goal. These people are cultural Marxists and Queer Theorists. Leave them to continue to grow in the SNP/Greens, and we will face this fight all over again long before we ever even get a sniff of independence.

They are, in reality, a far greater threat than the Unionists, and also to the Unionists because they are a threat to all of the parties whose leaders seem to be oblivious to what this infection actually is. Did none of them study Politics? Queer Theory within Philosophy? The Denton’s Document? None of them? None of the SPADS and researchers? Believe me, if this is left within the SNP/Greens, independence is off the agenda for decades and decades, if it ever manages to rise again, because they just cannot afford for independence not to be contained. Either that, or it will all come to a nasty head like a beating boil, and burst, creating fertile conditions for a Scotland to become like Ireland from 1916 onwards.

SusanAHF: if the Unionists regain control at Holyrood, the GRRB, in some form, will pass, and the future will be set, just as it will be if either Humza or Kate is elected leader because neither has the strength to fight this, and it is an existential fight for both independistas and women, equally. It is such a pity that so many cannot see that or do not want to see it in the vain hope of regaining our independence based on nothing but dangly carrots. We have to get our heads away from the idea of ‘puir wee sowels’ for what they really are, and, also, see the people behind them for what they really are. American billionaires do not fund anything unless it benefits them directly or indirectly. We have to fight it at the grass roots or the infection will spread and our independence, if they allow us to get that far, will be worth nothing.

Excellent cartoon which illustrates clearly that all parties in Holyrood are pro-colonial with little of substance to distinguish between them. Colonialism ‘is always a co-operative venture with native elites’ resulting in a ‘mediocre meritocracy’, now admitted as such. The SNP colonial administration has become its own critic because it can no longer hide behind its deceit and contempt for anti-colonial voters.

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Both Regan and Forbes saying that they’ve noticed the same faces among the Yousaf supporters at disparate hustings events, from the Lowlands to the Highlands.

Aye, Yousaf & Murrell, the men who put tour in the word entourage.

Alf @ 11:05am

Alf

History is our teacher as you say. Many of the Nations who escaped the Empire had to overcome the last play of Whitehall by defeating the “placemen”- The Colonial Party which is a mini Westminster is never the Party which achieves Independence.

Sadly, the other trait of the Empire in being denied it’s plunder is to create a divisive legacy. The Middle East, India/Pakistan, Ireland etc. “If we cannot Rule you then we will ensure your future progress is difficult”. The want to show what a mistake it was to leave the benevolent Empire……except no one knocked the door and begged to get back in!

In like Flynn!

Flynn backing Yousaf. Reported in the Guardian.

Could still be true though.

They’re back are’nt they
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And they’re trying to lock all the doors!

@Effigy 11:53

Redline the revs of your swivelling eyes, deepen the puce of your contorted face to beetroot, and pump up the veins on your forehead even closer to bursting by calling it the “Daily Heil”.

Remember those wee creeps that used to suck up to the bully,you
know,like when you were at school.

The whole school has to come together and get them to F**k.YES!

If your an snp msp or mp start speaking up now,independence 1st 2nd
3rd and last…

Or be a creep and lose BIG TIME!

@ John Main Grow up would you!!

“If Humza gets the job the SNP are over. But the leaders don’t seem to care”

Isn’t that the ultimate goal Sturgeon’s labour-as-the-SNP has been pursuing for the last 8 years, so labour can get in?

Isn’t that why they disembowelled the democratic structures of the SNP so any leadership or MSP/MP candidate election could be rigged to ensure the “right” candidates would always get selected?

Isn’t that why they have now actively moved from seeking independence to claim independence is just a dream, despite having held absolute majorities of our seats for 8 fucking years?

Isn’t that why they have been carefully aligning their policies to labour ones?

Isn’t that why embarked in this toxic GRR nonsense, to make the party unelectable and give Labour a chance to resurrect in Scotland?

FFA is only a valid tool to thwart independence for as long as enough people are still see it as an alternative to independence. Since 2014 that number has decreased.

If you have over 50% of the voters demanding independence then FFA/home rule or whatever you wish to call this devolution bullshit, becomes inefficient to stop independence.

I am of the opinion there has been a long standing agreement between the political fraud STurgeon and the powers that be since that first SNP majority was sent to Westminster – when Labour gets in n10, something akin to FFA (I believe Sturgeon called it “full fiscal responsibility” in the 2015 manifesto) will be delivered.

I am of the opinion this is precisely the reason the political fraud and her labour-as-the-SNP cabal have been procrastinating independence for the last 8 years, why they have been viciously attacking any attempts to haste progress (Martin Keatings’ case), why they stitched Mr Salmond up, why they have not embarked in any meaningful campaigning for independence, why they have attacked pro-indy bloggers and why some of her apparatchicks have been going against the AUOB demonstrations.

As a matter of fact, I am even of the opinion that some of those lockdowns during covid had the additional purpose of stopping pro-independence demonstrations, as they were just getting far too large and embarrasing for the political fraud.

The political fraud has been carefully managing the yes movement, alright. But not to make it larger, though. It was to contain it, to bring its momentum to a halt and to slim it down so the yes vote never went over 50% for any meaningful length of time.

Once the demands for independence officially raise and are sustained over 50%, FFA can no longer be used to preserve the union. As the REv has published in beautifully backed up articles, this political fraud has not let the yes vote progress beyond 47% for any significant lenght of time. In my view this was deliberate.

The bullshit coming from individuals like Chris Law or Alyn Smith about having to convert No voters while no meanignful campaign was ever started, while no official date was ever given and when we have a continuous influx of no voters from down south and we are constantly haemorrhaging yes voters in the form of our young, was just that, appeasing, distracting and deceiving bullshit. Just like their 60% yes goal peddled every time a poll with a momentaneous over 50% for yes vote was published.

Looking retrospectively, it becomes obvious these betrayers never had any intention to make the yes vote grow. I honestly do not know how they can still look at their voters in the face and continue to peddle the same bullshit. They are in my view, the worse of the worse. They make the betrayers sitting in Scotland’s parliament in 1706 look like individuals with at least some ounce of integrity by comparison.

This is of course my own opinion. But if it is anywhere near the truth, and Sturgeon and her troughers never had any intention to deliver that referendum, then it makes the disappearance and actually the asking for the ring fenced cash for the referendum in the first place even a more disgusting and bigger crime.

One thing is to comete fraud by spending money that you asked for something else at a time you honestly thought you would use it for its original purpose. But the concept of fraud would enter a completely different league if you already know you would never use the money for the cause yet you still started asking for it. The difference is intent. In the first case you did not intent to deceive. In the second case you were determined to deceive.

So, will we ever find out when Sturgeon and Murrell decided their version of the SNP would never seek a referendum? Was it before or after they asked for the funds?

We have in front of us a farcical scenario where, despite having held absolute majorities of Scotland’s seats in Westminter for over 8 fucking years, we have now TWO out of three leadership candidates now actively and openly backing devolution instead of independence. If this is not irrefutable proof the SNP is now a version of labour and the whole concept of democracy in Scotland is a fucking joke, what is.

Humza will “win”. Murrell and MI5 will make sure of it. Because if disaster on legs Humza does not win, the “plan” to resurrect labour in Scotland and deliver the FFA might not work.

Kate may not pursue indpendence and will be a “safe pair of hands” for the union. But, from the perspective of the Scottish voter, she would be preferred to that closet-tory Starmer.

With her at the helm, the SNP vote may actually increase as some borderline tories may actually be more inclined to vote for her rather than Sunak, never mind Douglas Ross. Also, she may attract some of the labour voters disgusted at watching how Slabour supported the GRR bill.

So with Kate there is a high risk the SNP seats may not fall enough to make the delivery of that FFA as a labour gift, credible.

Let’s not forget that a majority of SNP MPs being seen as officially siding with labour to surrend the prospects of independence and instead grabbing with both hands FFA when there is still a mandate for indyref on the table, will forever finish the party off.

That is why I think there is a collusion between labour and the political fraud’s version of the SNP to decimate the number of SNP seats at the next GE. The delivery of FFA has to be seen as being a “gift” form Labour, not an agreement between SNP and labour.

There is only one solution in front of us and that is to effect a complete clear out of all those devolutionist MPs. Let’s hit the betraying bastards where it hurts: their pockets.

But we cannot substitute them with members from the colonial parties. We need to vote in the other pro-indy parties.

If there is any suspicion the powers that be will rig the election (as I am sure they will do if they become desperate) to force the decrease in representation of anti-union MPs from Scotland, then we will have to spoil our ballots writing on them our choice for independence instead.

Party before country continues to be the atrocious attitude of the SNP hierarchy. As such they are just as much tractors to Scotland as the repulsive threesome in Chris’ cartoon.

No, Susan, I did not mean to suggest any such thing. I know perfectly well where you stand, and I agree with your analysis, too. Children and youth are naturally totalitarian: they have to be to survive the early years, but, in recent decades, we have all – or many of us, at any rate – abandoned parenthood. I was merely pointing out that this infection is within all of the parties, and all are susceptible to the bullying, control and blackmail of this insidious and invidious movement. The politicians seem to have caved, most of them.

“Mr Campbell has made a mistake in supporting Reagan”

Why? Because he has just oppened a channel for her to directly communicate with all the frustrated yes voters Sturgeon and co have been desperately trying to silence for the last 8 years?

The Rev is a very smart man and I am sure he is a dozen steps ahead of you on this thing.

“Yousaf will certainly win unless one of the female candidates…”

If Yousaf wins is because the whole thing has been rigged. All the troughers have been given a script and put on a conveyor belt to endorse him.

On top of this, we have seen some of them breaking party rules to give him advantage. We have been told GCHQ has been invited to stick its finger in and we know the untrustworthy Murrell is still, despite all, holding the control levers.

If all that was not enough to render the context a farce, the official number of physical (no MI5 ghosts), active and alive members with a valid membership card has not been released and will not be released. That is rather convenient when you want to rig the result and need to “add in” a few votes.

“Surely no one thinks that an early referendum is winnable”
The referendum unicorn has finally bolted after Nicola Sturgeon and her lady advocate took a chainsaw to the stable door and spooked the poor thing out.

I would just add that I concur absolutely with your point regarding the abdication of parenthood and the subsequent social damage. In fact your reply to Susan, who is a clear thinker, was excellent and informative.