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The twisted firestarters

Posted on May 04, 2018 by

It’s not easy to type with your jaw on the floor, readers.

But in the six and a half years we’ve been watching the Scottish media here on Wings, this surely has to be an all-time low.

It’s exactly what it appears to be – the Scottish Sun have deliberately set fire to a baby box to simulate incinerating a newborn infant in the name of some cheap clickbait. (You’ll find no link to it in this article.) And they’ve had to try pretty hard.

The paper called on the expert services of “Ryan, a fire safety consultant with 22 years experience”, who after more than two decades working with fire was ASTONISHED to discover that cardboard burns if you hold a naked flame to it for long enough.

“I’m shocked. I didn’t think there was any way it would go up like that. That flame was only on it for 15 seconds or so.”

He added:

“It’s much worse than alternatives like a solid crib or a Moses basket”

You know, a Moses basket – those famously fireproof baby beds, as recommended by Fire Safety Ryan, that are MADE OUT OF STRAW. Nature’s asbestos.

Despite having raised the box up on some wooden staves in an outdoor yard to ensure maximum circulation of air and help the fire take hold – you know, like you do with your baby – it still took that much direct exposure to the flame to get the box to smoulder and more than four minutes under these optimum fire conditions before any visible flames began to appear.

Remarkably, Ryan felt that the image above depicted an inferno already hopelessly out of control, which makes us glad he’s not a fireman:

“After three minutes water would not put that out. It would be impossible for someone at home to tackle it.”

And he went on to be specific about some of the problems:

“The worried fire expert pointed out several safety flaws with the box. He said: ‘There are holes underneath introducing oxygen to the fire. If it was a solid unit you would not have that.'”

Which would be fine, except that the instructions ACTUALLY PRINTED DIRECTLY ONTO THE BOX (and supplied separately as a leaflet too) specifically tell you to put it inside the solid lid, blocking those holes off:

And they also tell you NOT to put it on a raised surface, like some wooden kindling:

And they also tell you NOT to smoke near the box, or leave it unattended for several minutes while some cretin holds a naked flame to it:

Or to leave it anywhere near a naked flame or strong heat source:

In other words, our elite fire professional has only succeeded in torching the box by deliberately disregarding just about every single safety instruction that comes with it. It’s an unfathomable mystery why his fire-safety company was dissolved in 2014 after just a single year in business.

As were two other fire-safety companies he set up:

Just like the mystery of why, if cardboard baby boxes are a deadly fire hazard, they’re actually given out in other countries by the fire brigade.

Curiously, the Sun declined to do a control test with some other types of baby beds or bedding for comparison purposes. To be honest, we’re not entirely confident that they didn’t fill the box with petrol-soaked rags (the lid’s closed so you can’t tell – you know, like you’d do if your baby was in there and you were trying to suffocate it to save it from dying horribly in a fire), and we’re rather disappointed that they didn’t put a doll inside so they could horrify readers with its melted “corpse”.

We presume that’ll be tomorrow, unless they’ve got a double page spread headlined


Ryan The Fire Genius did have some top general advice, though:

“If someone is sitting smoking in the house, which they shouldn’t be doing anyway, and a cigarette drops or they fall asleep that’s enough to put the whole house up.”

Unless there are a lot more houses in Scotland made entirely of cardboard than we thought, that would seem to suggest the baby box is the least of anyone’s worries.

But just to be sure, readers – do NOT keep your baby outside, raised up on a wooden platform above a naked flame with nobody watching it except for a sleepy smoker with no access to water.

We realise, of course, that most of you didn’t actually need to be told that, but then you probably don’t read The Sun.

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  1. Liz g says:

    Robert Peffers @ 12.18
    That’s a great point there Robert..and worth repeating

    Despite the Media’s best efforts,the word got around!
    The word got around enough to increase the Marchers .. A lot
    A very lot…

    Hope you are keeping well Robert,and getting through as best ye can.X

  2. Dair says:

    I guess we know what Ruthie did with her Baby Box

  3. Cactus says:

    Hey dakk, ah once was yer neighbour… Et Vous like?

    This time next year…

    Scotland like.


  4. Cactus says:

    Hahaha, we were at The Lismore Bar, iPartick, iGlasgow earlier tonight, last night like…

    The dude from the bar came over and said we were talkin’ too loud aboot Scotland like… that’s a first… We’re SCOTLAND, chill dude.

    Yes iGlasgow voted 53% Aye waaaaay back in ’14.

    What next and now… 62%+ Yes Glasgow.

    Ahm ah fire-starter.

    Twisted aye.


  5. Cactus says:

    Ahm off location…

    Could somebuddy post Ra Prodigy’s Twisted Firestarter please.

    ps, I believe the YMCA flag holding yoon on oor Clydeside was in the process of getting ‘lifted’ yesterday when we were a passing, cheers Janey.

    Maybe it must have been the chants of ‘cheerio’ that got em going…

    Ahhhhh, ha ha ha ha ha.

  6. twathater says:

    I’m the Wings flag bearerer ,

    Rock 11 and man at CA by the way could yeese mibbe find oot how much the wee ice cream van made and get a cut o that the queue wis aboot a mile lang , and the people’s palace catering and the big eaterie where I went fur a pee it wis jumpin so it wis , and wit aboot aw they other stalls sellin thingys could we mibbe get a cut aff them tae and wit aboot aw they flag sellers could we ask them how much they made and ask them for a cut , a wonder wit kind o cut they’d gae us .

    Jist think aw that moolah we’re mibbe due a share of , or mibbe there again they might just tell you to f88k off and mind your own business

  7. smithie says:

    Rocky II says:
    6 May, 2018 at 11:37 pm

    I notice the ones holding the cash are not replying.

    Too busy packing their suitcases.

    And don’t forget your toothbrush

    Hahaha what a knob…we all need some “perks” are you jealous sweetheart?

  8. Thepnr says:

    @SomeArsehole says @11:33 pm

    “If any BritNat outfit was doing this, we would be the first to slaughter them for being cheating thieving bastards.

    What was that? bit strong I thought. Casting such aspersions there, could get YOU into trouble.

    The “Wings stall” as you call is no more than a focal point for people to meet up. You know Wingers, I take it you never made it along yesterday because if you had I’m absolutely certain that if you offered your help at the “Wings stall” it would have been welcomed.

    By the way being a right lazy bastard myself I never volunteered either so guess that makes at least two of us.

    A last by the way, stop bringing up bile and certainly don’t swallow it. It will do you no good in the long run. I expect now you’ll be volunteering to help out on the Wings stall in Dumfries 2nd June at the next march.

    That’ll be your opportunity to meet the volunteers who do so much AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE to take forward the case for Independence.

    You mate sit on your arse and take swipes at those actually doing something. You really don’t have clue, bit sad really.

  9. Thepnr says:


    Aye well OK. Firestarter 🙂

  10. HandandShrimp says:

    I am baffled by the bizarre crap on here about the Wings stall. Anyone who has been here for any length of time would know perfectly well that it came into being because people wanted the WBB and Ronnie and others have devoted time and resources into distributing Wings material as widely as possible. People also wanted Wings stickers and badges so they started making them, initially for own wee events and were free of charge. Anybody that thinks selling badges at a couple of events a year is some sort of master scam need their heads examined. One of our group went to the stall and came away with a bundle of Disreporting Scotland stickers, someone said “how much were they” and she said “nothing, he just gave them to me” and she passed them around, I now have a few. As scam artists go, Ronnie has much to learn.

    Come Indyref2 and Wings involvement in getting WBB2 out to as many people as possible you can be sure that Ronnie and the rest of the crew will be ensuring that supplies get through and that financial gain will be the last thing on their minds.

    One or two on here seem quick with accusations but no one has ever met them or seen them lift a finger to help. I hope that changes when the balloon goes up.

  11. Thepnr says:


    Thank you, explains it all really.

    Rocky II don’t be shy and get the finger out and offer to be on the “Wings stall” I’m sure Ronnie and the others would appreciate your help rather than your abuse.

  12. Thepnr says:

    Just a rumour mind and could be fake news. Just heard that the “Wings stall” made a profit on Saturday of £1,560,000,000,000 down at Glasgow Green.

    Word on the streets of Glasgow now is that the Winger volunteers are considering wiping out the entire debt of the UK but don’t quote me on that as others think the money should be used to eradicate poverty in Scotland.

    Anyhow don’t expect to hear about this on the BBC, you’ll just have to rely on the fake put out news here on Wings LOL

    A big ell done to Ronnie, Annie, John, Irene, Brian, Pete, Betty and Jim. You know who you are and so do I.

    Love xx 🙂

  13. Al Dossary says:

    Perhaps we could use the Zoomers in disguise on the Wings stall at the next event.

    Pair of sock puppets that they are!

  14. Liz g says:

    Handandshrimp @ 1.54
    Thanks for tryin… But I for one am beyond explaining to anybody.
    We get nothing from them,and so we owe nothing to any of them.
    How dare they ask more of us than is expected from the regime we live under.
    Especially considering the secret shit that this Union gets up to…
    My best answer,if an answer was warranted is.

    … The paperwork will be available in 30 year’s ,as is the normal Union convention.
    This is the equal thing to do!

    But no worries,it won’t really be that long because…

    This is only the rule,until Scotland is Independent,in which case the paperwork will be released on the same day as the Dunblane paperwork..

    Get it.
    Got it.

    That’s where I’M at with it.

  15. mr thms says:

    #Effijy @ 11.35 pm

    NHS England is new.

    The old NHS England is gone. It was replaced by the NHS Commissioning Board. This is what it does..

    The NHS Commissioning Board then decided to change their name to NHS England.

    NHS Scotland could go the same way should an unholy alliance of pro-union parties form a coalition government in 2021.

    What does it mean?

    I remember reading an article about the growth in private treatment under “NHS England”

    “Data obtained under Freedom of Information law shows income from private patients at one of London’s best-known cancer-specialist hospitals doubled in six years as the law was changed to allow NHS trusts to do more paid work.

    Statistics quietly released by the Government show the situation is not isolated, with the total amount of income NHS England made from private patients leaping by a third between 2011-12 and 2016-17.”

  16. Robert Louis says:

    FFS guys, why are you even responding to the troll nonsense about stall money? Seriously, we all admire your openness and dedication to the independence movement, but stop giving these trolling tubes credibility. Everybody involved knows the excessive hard work and genuine dedication (hours and hours given voluntarily) by all those who work these stalls and the organisation of marches etc..

    You could provide full audited accounts and the trolls would still not be happy, they just want to disrupt and spread disinformation. They are quite literally taking the absolute p*ss out of you, because you answer them. You give them a credibility they do not warrant. Just ignore them.

  17. Nana says:

    Tory rows over Brexit increase pressure on Theresa May

    At least 1,000 highly skilled migrants wrongly face deportation, experts reveal

    Why Brexit means diminished British weight in the world

  18. Nana says:

    How does global trade really work? This interactive visualization takes a stab at that question, plotting where goods come and go in increments of $1 billion.

    Video Thread 1of 7 Further astonishing footage from the Canadian Parliament today when @DamianCollins gave evidence, here’s @frankbaylis nailing what members of the British government pretend hasn’t happened….#unsafe

    From last month

  19. Robert J. Sutherland says:

    Les Wilson @ 09:57 (06.May),

    I tried the same, with the same (non-)result. If we had coincided, we could at least have had our own micro-gathering. =grin=

    From past experience, the stall is always busy, which is basically a good thing in general, essential in fact, but no use for just getting acquainted, especially if (like me) you don’t know what anyone else looks like anyway.

    On future occasions – if there are even any such before the Great Reckoning comes – might it not be worth having a meeting point nearby where Wingers could congregate, meet up and have a wee blether? (Assuming anyone wants to, that is.)

  20. Smallaxe says:

    Good morning, Nana,

    Thank you for your links but take it easy as I’ve still got blisters on my fingers. 🙂

    It’s a beautiful sunny morning down here in the deep south of North Britain, I hope that you are getting the same good weather up there in North Britain.

    Kettle’s on!

  21. Macart says:

    Worth reading and the opening para is a laugh out loud moment. 🙂

  22. Macart says:

    YAY. Nana and links!

    Good to see you back. 🙂 Righto then. Kettle at the ready and off we go.

  23. Smallaxe says:

    Good morning, Macart,

    It was a pleasure to meet you at the Green on Saturday, my friend.
    I hope we don’t have to meet too often before we regain our independence but come the day we’ll make sure it’s the mother of all meetings.

  24. Macart says:


    The pleasure was mine ma friend. 🙂

  25. Nana says:

    Morning Smallaxe, big thank you for all your hard work while I was awol. Don’t go too far now, you never know when your services will be required xx

    Morning Macart, looks like another beautiful day up here.

  26. cearc says:

    If the likes of Brian and Pete, who spend all their spare time and money knocking out badges, couldn’t flog them for £100 each on the ‘Wings’s’ stall they’d never be able to afford to retire. The chauffeur driven Rolls that they need to hire to get themselves and said badges to such events doesn’t come cheap either.

    What? You didn’t pay £100 for your badge. Consider yourselves privileged.

    I know from bitter personal experience that their badges are frequently distributed for as much as, ummm, well nothing. So where the hell do the vast profits from that go?

  27. Macart says:

    You know, the more I read on the subject, the more convinced I am that journalists are truly divorced from their readerships. From the flow of everyday humanity they attempt to influence and/or manipulate. I really can’t dignify their work with the descriptors objectively inform and educate. (for obvious reasons)

    Most especially when it comes to Scotland’s constitutional question, they seem to genuinely NOT understand the nature and volume of response to their input. The anger and hurt their heavily coloured narrative generates, or the entirely natural need for that response. So certain are some, of their supposed educational, professional and ‘moral’ superiority, they fly into the most insane huffs that your average reader should dare to challenge or question their narrative. How very dare you by the way…etc.

    On most issues, it’s safe to say your average hack has a well developed cynicism and rhino like skin. Part and parcel of the job I suppose (shrugs). How and ever, challenge their personal beliefs and their professionalism? Then yer average Hollywood diva would be both proud and envious of the level of stroomph involved. Dare to remove their payday and OMG! It goes into another level of flounce altogether.

    Here’s the thing though, and there’s no getting round it for them. They’re peddlers, entertainers if you will. They sell wares (mainly influence). YOU are the end user. The recipient of those wares. You know what’s coming next of course.

    If you believe you’ve been sold a bad product. If you believe you are and have been poorly served by the service and goods provided, then YOU are the final arbiter. YOU get to decide. YOU get to complain. YOU get to seek whatever justice or recompense YOU deem sufficient.

    If that means shouting your displeasure from the rooftops and removing your cash to other more worthy channels? Then that is what you do and it is entirely within your rights to do so.

    They don’t get to define you. YOU do get to define and judge them.

  28. Colin Alexander says:

    No everyone is a Wings regular. Some people might have come to Wings for the first time after seeing the stall.

    So, I think it’s good practice to explain where the money goes, so it reassures people there is no scam involved; that it’s raising funds that are used to promote indy. That there is no financial malpractice.

    Saying it’s going to be squandered on treating yourselves, might be a great joke for the Wings “group of pals” to put it politely but, does not help the situation.

    It came across as evasive and defensive.

  29. Robert Peffers says:

    Just read the BBC Text Service news.

    According to BBC Scotland’s top story is that Scotland is shite and Scotland has the British/United Kingdom’s worst railway station. The next biggest story is an ex-football manager in England who is in intensive care, (I do hope he recovers), then way, way down the list of stories it seems our Scottish police dogs are the best in Britain/United Kingdom.

    Apparently, though, there wasn’t an independence march in Glasgow and even if there had been then there were only tens of thousands marching and certainly not nearly 100 thousand or anything like that.

  30. Dorothy Devine says:

    Macart , round of applause!

  31. Highland Wifie says:

    Morning Nana. So nice to see you back.
    Settling down with all those lovely links. Nothing gonna get done for a while this morning!

  32. Ken500 says:

    The conman pollster who always gets it wrong, trying to divide and rule.

    Labour need to be beaten in Scotland and then take the fight to the Tories the SNP will win.

    Corbyn is useless. No one in the rest of the UK will vote for him. Brexit is a no goer. Just ridiculous.

    Another IndyRef soon.

  33. Hamish100 says:

    Re Herald and Paul Hutcheon. Was he at a wake trying to cheer it up? Did he not realise that the millions who didn’t turn up had to do their ironing that day, take their kids to the swimming and do other things like bitch on the tv and manipulate photographs to give equal status to happy, pleasant folk walking in the sun with a noble cause as opposed to the hate filled rants of sectarianism and britnat fascism.

    I’ll continue to buy The National and leave it on the bus and train. The Sunday Herald I’ll give it a month and if continues its anti-Scotland stance I will have to tell my milk/newspaper guy to cancel. I’ll still take my 1/2 doz rolls however.

  34. Nana says:

    Good morning Highland Wifie, ach the chores can wait awhile 🙂

  35. Gfaetheblock says:

    Off topic, but can’t less the nonsense written by mr Peffers on cyclists pass.

    Cyclist pay for roads, as roads are maintained from general taxation and cyclists will have paid VAT, income tax, council tax, etc.

    Scotland is a nation of obese and inactive people, investment in active travel such as walking and cycling helps reduce the impact on the NHS, as well as havig proven links to improving mental wellbeing and productivity.

    The only way to make cycling safer is to reduce potential harm, through segregated cycling and walking lanes and other cycling infrastructure and reducing car speed.

    Maybe POP (Pedal on Parliament) are better at managing the MSM? I have not seen them picket BBC offices, accuse journalists of bias or abuse them on twitter. I wonder if this helps?

  36. Hamish100 says:

    Colin Alexander–

    I know it must be hard to come down from your air of superiority but stop trolling and supporting some weird guy who didn’t buy anything from the Wings Stall but queried where the money at the stall goes. Does he do the same at every charity shop he passes without buying. He is another troll. The event is licensed and passed by the authorities including the Police. The folk demonstrating on the pavement at Union Street etc were not

  37. Highland Wifie says:

    Dust if you must but wouldn’t be better to paint a picture or write a letter
    Or read Nana’s links!
    (apologies to the author)

  38. Dorothy Devine says:

    Nana, love the one about Mr Bercow and the comment that he is ‘ bringing parliament into disrepute ‘ I had no idea it was in ‘repute ‘ at this time.

    Once upon a day Paul Hutcheon wrote some honest stuff , sad to see him plummet to the depths . Ah well another one bites the dust.

  39. Colin Alexander says:


    As a third party observer, I just pointed out the sarcastic responses to his posts were not helpful at all.

    It was a chance to explain to all the readers how the funds raised are used to promote Scottish independence and so encourage more fundraising.

  40. Dorothy Devine says:

    I see there is an article in the herald by one Mark Smith on how our march got it wrong – I’d have to buy the thing to read it all and I have no intention of so doing.

    He wouldn’t be the Mark Smith who once worked for the Daily record and was once arrested for racism could it ?

    I just wondered .

  41. Smallaxe says:

    “Saying it’s going to be squandered on treating yourselves, might be a great joke for the Wings “group of pals” to put it politely but, does not help the situation.

    It came across as evasive and defensive.”

    I’ll probably regret answering you Colin but Wings “group of pals” are people who have been posting on Wings for several years and we have met each other at marches and social occasions, some of those occasions were in my own home with solid and trustworthy Wingers who want only to free our beautiful Kingdom of Scotland from the yoke of the Westminster unionist “group of pals”.

    When you echo an obvious troll then you come across as accusatory and divisive. I know exactly the amount taken at the Wings stall and I know that every penny will be put to good use to further our cause.

    Do you really want us to post the amount on here for the edification of all the yoons who lurk and post here?

    I wish you nothing but Peace, Colin, so why don’t you give us some of the same.

  42. Les Wilson says:

    Calling Tokyo Kate, is whether or not we want Indy2 soon, or do we not!. Expect the usual platform for “Unionist” callers, they will have their list to choose from.
    Try calling if you can,to keep them right.We all know how they work don’t we.

  43. Nana says:

    @Highland Wifie 🙂

    I tear through cobweb-curtains in the attic of my mind and gather
    dusty memories and things long lost, I never thought I’d find.

    @Dorothy, lol

    A couple of tweets seen earlier

    A constitution in crisis in many ways simultaneously
    – A Government with little-to-no regard for the the constitutional setup of the nations of the UK 8/

    According to Peston “Ireland have undermined the British government for over 100 years”

  44. sassenach says:


    I think we all know that Coco (sensible, Rock, et al) have a single purpose – attempt to cause division by picking on a topic (like SNP not doing enough, Wings stall finances, etc) to take folks minds off the REAL issues – yet pretending to be ‘concerned’ and supporters of Indy.

    We shouldn’t rise to their rancid bait!

  45. Famous15 says:

    Call Kayye wantng to hear from people on the march.Also discussing Indy 2.I have little hope of lack of bias.

  46. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    Well done to whoever made the ‘Disreporting Scotland’ stickers. It’s far too lenient to label it ‘misreporting’.

  47. Robert Peffers says:

    @Colin Alexander says: 7 May, 2018 at 8:22 am:

    ” … It came across as evasive and defensive.”

    That’ll, of course, not be just your own personal impression and opinion then, will it Colin?

    Now remind me/us, again, what organisation or group it is you speak on behalf of?

  48. Hamish100 says:

    Angela haggarty delay referendim because ruk may say no. AH the people are sovereign

  49. auld highlander says:

    On the way home I spent nearly all the money in a massage parlour and Stormy Daniels was there talking to some American guy who just happened to fly in, got a half pint of cider with the dross that was left too.

  50. HandandShrimp says:

    Never heard of Mark Smith but the Gerald won’t be getting my pennies to find out wheat he us saying.

    I see Kaye is doing a piece on her show but I can’t be bothered with phone-ins. Vox pops are rarely edifying and are too easily manipulated to deliver an editorial line.

    My only regret at the march was that I didn’t bump into more Wingers. Was at the stall three times but it was so busy it was hard to get near.

  51. Robert J. Sutherland says:

    Nana @ 07:17,

    Thanks for the links!

    A particular observation by Prof. Chris Grey in the wake of the English local elections caught my eye. His analysis

    suggests that Labour’s pro-Brexit stance will hurt it more amongst remainer voters than it can help them amongst leave voters. Of course there will certainly be some traditional and potential Labour voters for whom Brexit, and hard Brexit at that, is the key, overwhelming issue. But those voters will not be attracted by Labour’s ambiguous and (compared with the Tories) very slightly softer approach anyway.

    A lesson for the SNP in that also, I think. Nicola may continually (and rightly) emphasise that a progressive Scotland needs and welcomes immigrants within an open SM/CU, but it doesn’t sit well with others in her party who are apparently as desperate as Corbyn Labour to appease Leavers, to the point of hoping to stall everything until full-on Brexit is a done deal.

    Unfortunately for that latter view the Mayhem Gang has well outbid all competition for the hardline Leaver vote with a correspondingly hardline stance.

    And as often happens in life just as as in elections, trying to please everyone can so very easily end up pleasing no-one at all.

  52. Smallaxe says:

    John Pilger special – Beyond the headlines on Syria, Salisbury, Yemen & North Korea (E605);

  53. ronnie anderson says:

    HandandShrimp The PnR left a flag for U at the stall for U , we create side entrances on both sides of the stall for Wingers & there was no back cape put on so Wingers used the Trademens/TradeWomans entrance , we must have been the only stall wie ah dozen people in it other than the stage crew an only 5 of them working, an no even ah sniff of Old Pupteney wafting past their noses .

    Hope U had ah nice day.

    PS the manny fae CA used the same excuse as U ( up thread ) only he went on to describe the frontage of the Wings stall ( 2 Wings flags either side of the stall , he must have looked at a previous picture of the stall set up as he omitted to mention the Wings Banner out front & the Banner Betty Boop & Jim Thomson put up at the front of the stall ( top left corner ) in other words the man at C&A WIZNAE at the Green an is as usual talking shite . No further invitation will be extended to him to visit the Wings stall , we even had ah wee dram of the Old Pulteney fur him an that diznae happen at every event gein oot free booze.

    Dapper dressed Smallaxe & his Lovely Better half was late in submitting for ah drinks licence for his Shebeen so’s we had to compensate by opening the Raffle Prize .

  54. gus1940 says:

    Having been pleasantly surprised by the BBC report on the march in saturday’s news prog – yesterday it was back to normal with Sunday Politics.

    As usual both of Brewer’s talking heads were rabid unionists in the form of Paul Hutcheon and that horrible Katie Grant creature.

    Their patronising arrogant dismissal of saturday’s march was a vomit inducing disgrace.

  55. Legerwood says:

    The Herald – paper version (warning flammable) and the March

    There are no photos of the March in the Herald today

    There are no reports of the March in the Herald today

    There is a column by Mr Torrance’s successor in the Herald today about the March.

    There is no mention in the column of the numbers taking part in the March.

    As for the content of the column …!!**!!**

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    It is crunch time for them though. Fundraiser at less than 50% and only a day or so to go. Do you want to see iScot going to the wall because that’s where it’s at now?

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  57. jfngw says:

    I think we have tonight’s MSM headlines, a Scottish station has been voted the most unpopular. Expect a long report, plus add on the power problems at Central, they will be creaming themselves at PQ. Nothing they like better than a Scotland is shite story. How many resignation calls will we have by the end of the week.

    Shortened news today as it’s a holiday, so maybe just a short report today with a fuller one later.

  58. Colin Alexander says:

    Robert Peffers

    My views are my own: I want independence for Scotland. Devolution is crap.

    I know many on here think the sun shines out the airses of the SNP so-called Scottish Govt, and people are entitled to their opinions but, I think even youse are finally getting it that devolution is just one big con.

    Regarding the devolution power grab, Labour’s pretending to be pissed off, not because of the undermining of Scottish democracy but, because the Tories are blowing apart Labour’s elaborate scam that tries to pretend Scotland can have democracy within the UK Union. The UK Govt can’t be arsed with pretence.

    Such is their arrogant disregard for Scottish opinion since the no vote in 2014, they have taken that as the green light to do whatever they like to Scotland, in the assumption that the win by No in 2014 means the SNP will always back down when it comes to a stand-off with the UK Govt and threats of indyref2 will be dropped for fear of losing again.

    Personally, I have no issues about the Wings stall. I just thought the answers given could have been better. It was a chance to promote the Wings stall for future AUOB events.

    I am not a member of any political organisation. The only political organisation I have ever been a member of is the SNP – for 1 year only. Membership allowed to lapse.

    The only interests I could declare is a donation to Stu Campbell’s legal fund; Craig Murray’s legal fund and a single donation to Wingoverscotland in 2018.

    However, that does not mean to say I agree or endorse everything they say. I do feel their voices and blogs are important as alternatives to the mainstream media diet of misinformation.

  59. galamcennalath says:

    Reporting of the March. All the contrived pics, fake news, sarcastic remarks, attempts at undermining unity, and general whining and whinging … it has to be a good sign! BritNats of every form are really scraping the barrel now. Clearly they dread ScotRef.

    WGD wisely pointed out that BritNats couldn’t hold such a march. It wouldn’t be the gentile elderly Tory conservatives (with a big and small c) who would come out. It be the hardcore Fascists.

  60. Undeadshuan says:

    Off topic.

    Exports of electricity from scotland to England are at a record high.

    Over 13500 gwh for 2017, making Scotland the biggest exporter of electricity to England with france behind Scotland. And the trend year on year is increasing.

  61. mike cassidy says:

    The ‘journalist’ Mark Smith appears to have been promoted from the Herald’s obituary column.

    Feel free to make your own jokes!

  62. MJT says:

    @Colin Alexander

    Re: Wings Stall. And your ‘scam concerns’.

    If a person wishes to purchase an object, and is offered a fair price for said object, and then said person goes through with the purchase of said object…and providing said object is in good condition when sold there can be no scam.

    Regarding the details of how much money is taken and where it goes. Who the fuck gives a shit? Really?

    Unless you suspect these small time vendors of being part of, or contributing to some real nasty shit like Haitian Child Trafficking, or funding terrorists, then what does it matter?

    And, i’m no expert but my guess is, if one is trying to raise money for ‘evil’ purposes such as the above, selling badges and wristbands and the like isn’t gonna get you very far at all…much better off with a burger van, selling hand guns and ammo on the side.

  63. Robert Peffers says:

    @Gfaetheblock says: 7 May, 2018 at 8:42 am:

    “Cyclist pay for roads, as roads are maintained from general taxation and cyclists will have paid VAT, income tax, council tax, etc.”

    Sigh! This is going to be long and tedious – but I see no alternative than to challenge your conclusions.

    Scroll on by folks if you don’t have an interest.

    Yes, of course they do, but they do not also pay for what used to be called, “Road Tax”, like other road users are forced to.

    Furthermore, they do not also pay Road Fuel Duty that is collected for the Treasury by filling station owners, (on which, BTW, the other Road Users also pay VAT on their purchases).

    Then there is that other wee matter of the enforced Third Party insurance that is correctly levied upon other road users in case they cause injury or damage to others.

    “Scotland is a nation of obese and inactive people,

    Will that include yourself, Gfaetheblock, or only the ones who do not ride bicycles?

    ” … investment in active travel such as walking and cycling helps reduce the impact on the NHS, as well as havig proven links to improving mental wellbeing and productivity.

    Which has nothing whatsoever to do with cyclists being let loose upon our streets and footpaths without any form of safety controls, vehicle testing, liability for injury or damage to property. Not to mention the annual death toll of young children on cycles who have no adult supervision or driving tests to pass but who are let loose on bikes on our streets.

    ” … The only way to make cycling safer is to reduce potential harm, through segregated cycling and walking lanes and other cycling infrastructure and reducing car speed.”

    Another load of unscientific claptrap. In the first place it is NOT the only way – it is one of the ways. In the second place why must other, non-cyclists, have to pay for these things?

    Thirdly the myth of reduced car speeds in other than such areas as schools, elderly people’s and disabled people’s crossings is actually killing people. Here’s how. Vehicle engines work far more efficiently when running at certain speeds and without constant stop/start usage.

    If, as has become the norm, an entire village has an imposed 20 MPH limit instead of the once normal 30MPH the immediate result is a third more time spent by every vehicle that moves in that village but it is far greater increase than t first seems because the reduced speed brings the engine efficiency down and there is a corresponding increase in pollution.

    20MPH schemes greatly increase local concentrations of pollution for local residents. This can be reduced by by-pass schemes but by-pass schemes also take business and local services past the villages and town areas where they are used.

    hen there is the increased dangers introduced by the introduction of so called, “Traffic Calming”, whereby road hazards are deliberately introduced to, “calm”, traffic. What they actually do is create even more hazards as drivers attention is diverted in avoiding the artificial hazards instead of watching out for children on bikes among other things.

    So yes there is a place for 20MPH areas but they are in localised places where it can be expected to encounter children, aged and disable persons.

    I wonder how many extra people within these blanket 20MPH areas have died earlier from all that extra pollution and have gone unreported. To put that another way – I’d hazard a guess that the increased death tolls from, for example, Asthma has risen in such areas but has not yet been associated with increased pollution from 20MPH restrictions. I’d bet it has been more than the number of children killed by vehicle accidents.

    Here’s a wee quote:-

    Asthma and allergies have increased greatly the last decades in high-income countries, and there is a beginning increase in developing countries. These diseases have become major public health challenges, with substantial mortality if expensive medication is not available”, said Professor Svanes.

    “Maybe POP (Pedal on Parliament) are better at managing the MSM? I have not seen them picket BBC offices, accuse journalists of bias or abuse them on twitter. I wonder if this helps?”

    Aye! Maybe so – but then there is the alternative view that, “POP”, are perhaps more interested in their own selfish interests and less interested in others who, perhaps, have no choice in the matter – like the old, infirm, disabled and who have no other choice than use some form of vehicle just to be able to get out of their houses. We regularly here stories of campaigns to either ban the use of disability scooters and wheelchairs to be either banned or licenced and insured but never the same for bikers on the footpaths.

    In any case my main aim was to highlight that small children can be let loose on roads on their bikes without any form of training or supervision and I’m sure the provision of cycle routes would do little to prevent that danger.

  64. HandandShrimp says:

    Hi Ronnie, that was very kind of PnR. I will make a better effort to meet up with everyone next time and see if I can collect it. I came up with the Largs crowd and we retired for a small refreshment after the event but a glass of Old Pultney would have been most welcome 🙂

    (Our first port of call after Glasgow Green charged £5.45 for a pint…if RockyII wants to investigate scams 🙂 )

  65. louis.b.argyll says:

    Robert Peffers,
    No need to apologise prior to setting out logical deficiencies in arguments.

    Eventually, when we have a higher prevalence of non carbon vehicles, the pollution issue will take a back seat and the issues will be about cars/ children / cyclists / pedestrians all claiming ownership of their local streets.

  66. Bill McLean says:

    Was the Rev at the march? Has anyone heard from him at all? I hope he’s just have a long weekend break!

  67. Macart says:

    Oh Jings!

    Mr Carlaw clearly not big history, or facts, or gratitude, empathy, self assessment…etc, etc. and so forth.

  68. louis.b.argyll says:

    The Rev could right now be embroiled in Frederick Forsyth / Benny Hill chase type behaviour, trying to shake off his MI5 watchers.

    He posted a lot of pics of parks recently!

    And rumour has it, he’s changed his door-handles.

  69. mr thms says:

    # mike Cassidy

    I read that article earlier when there were no comments posted in reply.

    I’ve had a quick look at the comments, and no one has yet corrected this assertion

    “But again the enthusiasm and passion hides an error of strategy and fact. Remember that agreement signed by David Cameron in 2012 to permit a Scottish referendum?”

  70. Macart says:

    Should have been ‘not big on history’. 🙄

  71. Famous15 says:

    Sorta o/t

    Was on a wee holiday recently and was gobsmacked
    at the amount of VAT paid.

    It struck me that the various forms of taxes could be confusingly accounted and Scotland’s share of what is collected and what we get back could be distorted.

    Does anyone have a simple account of all of Taxation raised in Scotland and what we get back.

  72. Sarah says:

    @X_Sticks 10.09: I’ve looked at iscot site and can’t find the fundraiser.

    I have 2 subscriptions already [one for me and one for a London-based relative] as it is a quality and interesting read but will donate to fundraiser too – BUT HOW?

    Any advice on the subject is more than welcome!

  73. Breeks says:

    galamcennalath says:
    7 May, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Scotland does have racist thugs. Sad. Very sad.

    It is. But it’s the price we pay for tolerating the hatred and bigotry agitated by the BritNat Media… and we DO tolerate it!

    I cannot imagine how distressing it must me to escape the daily perils of a war zone, only to find some coward with a knife and belly full of hatred crawling out from under his stone. I once met a family of what looked like Muslim refugees looking a bit lost and bewildered in a supermarket. They looked like decent, brave, and caring people who would never disgrace my country the way this thug with a knife already has.

    Hatred is a very common weakness, and for the UK media to be continuing to press these inflammatory buttons is utterly, utterly repulsive and unforgivable.

    If only Scotland had the muscle to penalise instances of xenophobic hatespeak and inflammatory language and affect bans of sales, and impose fines. Donald Trump talked about draining the swamp, and while I’ve no time for Trump, he has the perfect metaphor for the disgraceful UK media.

    It is just as irrational and unhinged in it’s hatred of foreigners as it is nauseating and sycophantic in its gushing promotion of Royalty and British Exceptionalism and Imperial Propaganda. If the UK media was a person, it would such a snivelling slimy toady you’d be forgiven if you bagged it and binned it in a dog shit bag. If it ever got passed security, it wouldn’t kiss the Royal baby but lick it.

    Of course I don’t want to Scotland maligned by clamping on of freedom of speech, but in comparison beside the trash printed by the so called journalists in paper and on TV, a stricter control of hatespeak seems the lesser of two evils, indeed, an evil only made necessary at all by the rampant excesses of the first.

  74. Breeks says:

    What is going on with autocorrect?? It is rewriting half sentences and turning it into gibberish. Have I inadvertently switched to some other language setting??? Jeezo!

  75. Fred says:

    @ HandandShrimp, they must have clocked U were up from the country to charge U that, a choice of quarter gill shops near the Barras where U won’t get fleeced, not to mention Ronnie’s “Hoose Haufs!” Good post McCart. Inspiring “Long Letter!” in the National by Walter Hamilton.

  76. mr thms says:

    #Famous15 @ 11.11 am

    Won’t have long to wait to find out.

    Under the Scotland Act 2016 50% of the 20% and 5% VAT that is raised in Scotland will be assigned to Scotland from 2019/20.

    As part of the EU, VAT could not be devolved. Nothing to stop that happening now.

    Funny how the Scotland Act 2016 anticipated the leave vote.

  77. X_Sticks says:


    Trying to get more details for you from Ken. Hopefully he’ll provide me more info or will post some more.. watch this space..

  78. Sarah says:

    X_sticks: I’m watching!! Can’t let iscot fold….

  79. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Have tried without success on a number of occasions over the last couple of days to post the link to my latest article;”

    Then for the EIGHTEEN THOUSANDTH TIME stop putting the word “rape” in the URL and triggering the comment filter.

  80. louis.b.argyll says:

    Famous15..“Does anyone have a simple account of all of Taxation raised in Scotland and what we get back.”

    Now that, is the crux of the matter.

    When the EU asked the UK a similar question, the elites suddenly backed Brexit.

  81. Gfaetheblock says:

    MR Peffers, sigh indeed.

    VED is an omissions tax, bikes have no omissions
    Fuel duty is a consumption tax, on a product bikes don’t consume.
    Taxation is a big complicated thing Robert, I don’t smoke, so don’t pay tax on cigarettes, but I do not assume that I can define how this tax is spent, or demand it is spent on lung disease.

    I really don’t have the time to break down all the mince that the rest of your response contained, but interesting the confidence you state your nonscence with on this topic, is it the same with all your posts?

    And I am actually a BMI of 25.5, which means I am overweight, but I think the density of muscle mass from regular exercise rather the pot belly is the reason.

    Off for a bike ride with my five year old son, who loves his bike and cycling.

  82. gerry parker says:

    I see some people are wondering about the “hairy string”.

    Having done its bit for wings it has moved on to encourage and help other smaller independent groups to get them going.

    Still have a wee bit on my flag to help keep it attached to the pole though, and available from reputable ironmongers everywhere.


  83. Colin Alexander says:

    ronnie anderson

    there was the wings flags on the stall at the right end of the row nearest the stage. and no sure if it was on your stall or the one to the left but, there was also a row of flags up a pole with a wee Catalonia pendant type flag at the very top, which I thought was a nice wee touch.

    I only noticed a couple of people manning the stall, one being a thicker set guy.

    I would have stayed longer if I’d known Craig Murray and TS were the speakers. Huge respect for his and TS views on Scottish indy.

    I saw the bikers arrive as I was leaving. They passed me on London Road and parked first in a wee square just off London Road. They made an impressive site – and sound. Well done bikers for independence!

  84. Lenny Hartley says:

    I posted this comment on my facebook on this day in 2014 , today i noticed when picking up my National that the Daily Heil that the front page says that working Pensioners are going to be hit for National Insurance charges.
    Fb four years ago
    I don’t listen to the BBC, I do listen to Manx Radio, on this morning’s news
    reports, they said that the Manx Government was looking to introduce National Insurance Contributions for Pensioners as they had an agreement with the UK Government to this end.

    Now the Manx Government has been keen to keep the UK Gov onside recently as they were getting a pasting regarding there Tax Haven status even then I cant see the Manx Govt agreeing to this if its unilateral which raises the question.

    Does this mean that if we vote No then Pensioners will have a 10% tax hike?
    As far as I am aware, nobody has mentioned this, its not in any Manifesto as far as Im aware. Another stealth tax?

  85. X_Sticks says:


    Ken says:

    The link is this gives the full story and multiple payment possibilities (for this that don’t like paypal etc)

  86. Colin Alexander says:

    Where’s the best place to buy Saltires and YES stuff in the Glasgow area or online, so the money goes to supporting YES groups / independence?

    Had a look on the SNP shop, their flags are crap and have SNP on them. I’m not SNP, so want a plain Saltire or one that says Aye or Yes.

  87. Sarah says:

    X_sticks – Thank you! I’ll give it a go – iscot is definitely worth keeping.

  88. K1 says:

    “Where’s the best place to buy Saltires’ asks the guy who apparently was amongst thousands of Saltire flying Scots on Saturday, where you could have bought hundreds of Saltires at the Wings stall and other stalls who were selling them but which you were too feart to approach if you were even there. Pffffft!

  89. Fred says:

    K1, the word is Fanny with a capital!

  90. HandandShrimp says:


    The Ayemail people have a lot of stuff

    They did have a really nice Yes2 Saltire but I think they are sold out at the moment (unsurprisingly). The YesRutherglen folk do flags and stuff too and often have a stall at events.

  91. K1 says:

    Ahm forever gettin’ ma p’s and f’s mixed up Fred!

  92. Meg merrilees says:

    Slightly O/T

    It appears that (t)Ruthless has appointed a new Shadow Secretary of State for the Scottish
    Conservatives. She says this will give Prof Tomkins more time to concentrate on the Constitution.

    Is she spooked?

    Or just exactly what is she planning?

  93. Dorothy Devine says:

    Smallaxe , thank you for John Pilger – I think I might thank John Pilger for John Pilger too!

    Hope Saturday was not too tiring and that it did your good heart good!

  94. Smallaxe says:

    Dorothy Devine,

    Hi, Dorothy,
    I wish we had real journalists like J. Pilger working here in the MSM in Scotland and for Scotland. I have written him an email which was acknowledged as received on that very subject.I’ll be sure to let you know if and when I receive a reply.

    Saturday was tiring but the atmosphere of peace, solidarity and many hugs and kisses from friends known and new cured that very quickly. I had a great day and I think that the whole experience lifted the morale of many of us. Now we’re ready to send them homeward, to rule no more!

    The Speaker of the English House of Commons exulted “We have catch’d Scotland and will bind her fast.”: 1707

    The Speaker of the English House of Commons wept “We have lost Scotland and money’s running out fast”: 2000 and soon!

  95. yesindyref2 says:

    @Meg merrilees
    She might be going to call for an Indy Ref and support a YES vote wanting to be the FM of Indy Scotland, and use the threat of withdrawing the support of the 13 MPs who pay her no attention at all from May who they adore like top of the class lap poodles for obedience training and follow faithfully into the xenophoibia power-grabbing devolution-destroying lobby while Jackson Carlaw burnt his cakes. Again.

  96. iScot Magazine says:

    Thanks to the friends of Wings who very kindly made a chunky donation of coins to our fundraiser bucket at Glasgow Green. Truly humbled guys.

    We’re in the final 2 days of our fundraiser/subscription drive and would appreciate if you could visit our page to read why we need ongoing financial support.

    iscot(dot)iScot/offer Thank you

    Ken (Kendomacaroonbar)

  97. Hamish100 says:

    How much whisky does a baby box hold? Obviously it must be leak proof? if I get some wayward fire fighter who could fill up the fire extinguishers with booze I would break even or worse.

    Surely the express mail and that lot will be more angry at the avoidance of tax that Amazon its pretty good at. No doubt DAVUDSON WILL SUPPORT there defiance of the Scottish Courts and the will of parliament and the people.

  98. Dorothy Devine says:

    Smallaxe , John Pilger did a “next time Scotland” I think .I must have a wee look and see if I can find it.

    hope he contacts you and writes about Scotland and freedom!

    It was an amazing , lovely day and I’m so pleased to have met you.

  99. Smallaxe says:

    It was my pleasure to meet you, Dorothy. Thanks for the hug!

  100. Rock says:

    Scot Finlayson says:
    6 May, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    “Sunday Herald is owned by Newsquest,

    Newsquest get over £2,000,000 a year from the Government,guaranteed for 9 years,to become part of the BBC Local Government Reporters scheme,

    a guaranteed £18,000,000 buys a lot of influence,

    the whole thing stinks,

    but nobody in the media are reporting on it,

    strange that.”

    In case anyone didn’t know, the fake “independence supporting” The National is also owned by Newsquest.

  101. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    And what’s your point?

    A company has various output medias, one of which supports independence, the rest don’t.

    I would refer to ‘baby and bathwater’.

  102. Cubby says:

    Rock = Colin Alexander = paid to troll British Nationalists.

    Get yourself a decent job.

  103. David Wardrope says:

    Amazingly, this whole ridiculous saga passed my wife by last week, so went to show her the Sun article and alas it has been removed from the Sun website.

    Also, “Straw. Nature’s asbestos” made coffee leak out of my nose.

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