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The stupidest year in history

Posted on December 23, 2018 by

We can think of no better illustrative metaphor for the brain-withering idiot festival that was 2018 than page 16 of today’s Sunday Mail, which in the space of a single inch of newsprint predicts both SNP gains at any new general election, and then SNP losses to the exact same Labour and Tory parties that the editorial on the left excoriates as incompetent, “deluded” and “moribund”.

We wish we could rationally hope 2019 will be any better.

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    1. Gary45% says:

      Aye but the Sunday Mail “hus loads a pikchurs an fitbaw”

    2. Muscleguy says:

      Instead of foam hands which would make typing and scrolling hard, how about a ski mask of the sort popularised by a certain horror franchise? then you would at least look like the evil genius the MSM and Yoons portray you as? If you made it spiky enough that would train you not to facepalm so much. Though investment in sticking plasters during the learning period might be advisable.

      I’m full of good advice and I’m here all week 😉

    3. Muscleguy says:

      Perhaps the Greens might wish to send a copy of their last Holyrood manifesto to the editor of the Mail with a reminder of their number of MSP’s and how TOGETHER with the SNP they constituted a majority to pass the referendum bill.

    4. Proud Cybernat says:

      Isn’t it meaning that the SNP will take advantage in the WM GE while they think the SNP could lose ground in SE?

    5. Donald MacKenzie says:

      “We wish we could rationally hope 2019 will be any better.”

      Which just goes to show you that not every wish comes true.

    6. Hamish100 says:

      The main news media outlet lie. Its what they do. They don’t care who gets hurt. They are willing to accept defamation claims but are happy just to undermine an individual or political group. Think how many in the SNP careers have been trashed through innuendo.

      ot slightly- the 2 people alleged to have been responsible for the drone attack in England are now released and are no longer suspects. Still the papers have pictures of them etc. Stops us dealing with BREXIT.

    7. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      It’s not at all clear to me, given the complete confusion and befuddlement of both main UK parties, that Nicola’s “one Christmas wish is receding”.

      In fact, it sounds more like wishful thinking.

      Or maybe the paper anticipates a traditional Scottish New Year’s present instead… =grin=

    8. BuggerLePanda says:

      However much you are confused at this editorial the Sunday Mail/ Record / Mirror are more so.

      Where can even begin to understand the haulocost that will be plagued on the UK and then the desolation of the rUK when Scotland fucks off.

      Wonder those they will resolve their internal dissonance.

      Then again, who gives a flying one.

    9. Thepnr says:

      It will be quite ironic if at the end of all this it is Corbyn who comes out worst of all. He lost a no confidence motion by his own MPs in 2016 by 172-40 and clearly does not have support of the majority of his MPs.

      A no confidence vote by MPs means nothing though and only a leadership challenge could get rid of him and it will be party members who decide that.

      His stance on Brexit though appears to be the opposite of what the majority of members actually want and what they voted through at their conference. If he doesn’t change his tune very soon and start demanding what his party want then his days could be numbered and he will be got rid of.

      I find that quite funny, he failed to raise a “no confidence” vote against the government and as a consequence loses the confidence and support of his own party members.

      Ironic and lovely at the same time, he deserves what’s coming.

    10. K1 says:

      It’s incredible really, to think about Corbyn having amassed a genuine uprising of support down south has just ‘openly’ decimated that very support because he for the first and only time admitted what we have all known since it started, he’s a dyed in the wool genuine fraud, sat on the backbenches for decades playing citizen Smith and got forced into the leadership contest. Was always ‘soft’ anti EU, def voted ‘out’ and had no intentions of ever opposing what the Tories are doing, not just EU wise, but domestically him and his party have sat on their hands while the Tories have rolled back the centuries on social justice, social security and he supports renewal of Trident even though he’s an ancient member of the CND.

      Beggars belief that people down south can’t see through him. What’s even worse is how anyone voted for Labour in Scotland on the back of his ‘faux elevation’ to status of the ‘great socialist’ saviour schtick. It’s never going to happen. Labour are dead in Scotland, any resuscitation is purely dependent upon the msm running their campaign for them on a ‘no snp’ ticket, certainly not on any ‘policy’ ticket.

      And now Labour actually do help the Tories stay in power across our councils in Scotland, merging to keep the SNP out even when they have won the constituency outright in places.

      For any ‘journalist’ to still be peddling the utterly verifiable yellow stained pish that the SNP are in any way ‘threatened’ by Labour in Scotland is to signify that we are not reading or watching ‘news’ anymore. We are reading a nobody’s fantasy story, we are watching nobodies in front of camera’s telling stories about their masters ‘beliefs’.

      Liars, all of them, to themselves and to us all. The likes of the atl is merely another small example of a bunch of nobodies flying kites with the sure knowledge in ‘their’ own belief that the general public are a bunch of fucking idiots and will fall for these lies.

      Fortunately for us here in Scotland and unfortunately for the likes of these rags…we are not a bunch of fucking idiots who unlike our poor neighbours fed on a diet of this yellow stained pish for decades have now gone full Kool aid and are so full of pish that they actually believed Corbyn was the messiah. And that’s the circle jerk that’s really in play between ‘rancid journalism’ and it’s target audience.

    11. yesindyref2 says:

      If you bet on both horses in a two horse match, all you lose is the bookies percentage. BUT you got the winner!!!

    12. ScottieDog says:

      @Thepnr
      Certainly could be stitched up by his own MPs at another GE – esp if they see the grassroots support falling away. Enter David Milliband

    13. wull2 says:

      Bet you feel better now you have got that off your chest.
      Do you YES.

    14. K1 says:

      Naw…Chuka will make a come back.

    15. Thepnr says:

      @K1

      I really enjoyed reading that post, pushed some buttons for me anyway 🙂

      The most interesting part is something that many, including myself have forgotten. The Labour and hence Corbyn support for heinous Tory policies where they chose to abstain rather than vote against them.

      I mean what about the headline grabbing Rachael Reeves, a possible future leader of the Labour party no less, she shouted loudly “Labour will be tougher on welfare than the Tories” does that sound like a “socialist” policy to you?

      http://archive.fo/jKofX

      Labour are a Fake party, Corbyn is a Fake leader and the whole idea of an opposition to the Tories is entirely FAKE.

    16. K1 says:

      They need a ‘high profile’ bame to ‘heal the wounds’ on the ‘anti immigrant’ schtick, like the Tories making Sajid Javid the ‘Home Secretary’ after Grenfell…it’s all about ‘optics’ now.

    17. Capella says:

      The Mail probably doesn’t expect anyone to read their editorial. Then along comes Stu and spoils their day.

      We wish we could rationally hope 2019 will be any better.

      Now be very careful. Remember when you predicted 2017 was going to be boring?

    18. Clootie says:

      Votes are like Oil. The more you have, the worse off you are!

    19. K1 says:

      Agreed Thpnr…it’s why I mentioned the sitting on their hands…they are not a ‘socialist’ party and never where, it just ‘looked’ like it…in comparison to…the Tories, back then. But as you say…look what happened with ‘new’ Labour…any vestigial remnants of their former ‘philosophy’ was wiped the moment Blair was made leader.

      Like you I voted for them in ’97, in the belief that a ‘roll back’ of sorts would begin. Utterly scunnered within 3 months to realise they were Tory ‘lite’. It took many years for many people in Scotland to realise ‘what this meant’.

      England too know this, but UKIP came along and willingly promoted by the BBC soaked up disaffected Labour voters…and so begun the road tae where we are now wi Brexit. Corbyn is a sop to those disaffected down south…but they will now realise what we in Scotland had realised a decade earlier, they will never return to their former principles.

      We have the SNP and we have, many not having ever voted for them prior to the referendum, gradually gifted them our trust. What does England have?

      *tumbleweed’

      God help them…

    20. mumsyhugs says:

      Maybes aye, maybes naw!!!! Eejits.

    21. K1 says:

      I’m going to put this out here too:

      If we had not had our referendum there is a very good chance that Scotland too would be in the same place as England.

      The SNP fortunately were not ‘right’ leaning as ‘internally’ had shifted over the years to widen their appeal and take up the ‘centre’ so to speak.

      If by a trick of fate they had not done so well in 2011 and were still ‘marginal’…we’d have the mini westiminster shenanigans mirrored in Holyrood and absolutely no prospects of a chance in hell of independence being our lifeboat on the back of Brexit.

    22. Breeks says:

      Just listened again to Joanna Cherry taking down Rees-Mogg and his “nasty little right wing project”.

      Shoooperb.

      What a friend we all have in Joanna.

    23. Thepnr says:

      “Welfare” is the cost of caring. It is the price society are willing to pay to make sure that not just the unemployed can feed, clothe and house themselves but it’s for pensioners and the disabled too. Pensions are by far the largest cost to welfare.

      It’s not just the payment of benefits though is it? It’s the cost of our social services where the most vulnerable are helped where we can. All of this is under threat by the attacks on the “welfare state”. This is precisely why we see foodbanks in even the smallest towns, it’s why people are dying on the streets without a roof over their heads.

      Really none of this is or was necessary, the UK can more than afford to look after all her people, after all it is US that actually pay for it all through our taxes. Tories though and it seems Labour want to reduce taxes for the richest and for corporations. They don’t even adequately enforce the powers they do have against big business.

      Of course all the profits made by big business go to the owners of that business, again the richest the shareholders and the bond holders.

      Only with Independence will a Scottish government be able to choose a different path, one that benefits all, even the wealthy as after all you really only need so much wealth and can’t eat more than two chickens a day.

    24. Robert Peffers says:

      “In the long run every government is the symbol of its People, with their wisdom and unwisdom’ we have to say, Like ;People like government”</blockquote

      From, 'Past and present', (1843). By Thomas Carlyle – historian and essayist.

    25. Terence callachan says:

      The pnr…your post at 2.55pm…
      I agree …well said
      Except for the bit about taxes paying for the welfare state.
      Remember that taxes come after spending, not before spending.
      Tax is just a means of balancing the economy so that it doesn’t stagnate and doesn’t overheat.
      muxh of the money spent on welfare returns to government as tax one way or another once it is spent.

    26. Cubby says:

      A lot of the people who buy the Mail are so old that they probably cannot remember what was said from one article to the next. It’s easy to get away with so many lies when a good chunk of your readership cannot remember what you said previously. Is that ageism? They should rename the Mail the paper for old Britnat farts. Is that fartism?

    27. Dan Huil says:

      Astonishing, and not a little sickening, that some people in Scotland buy this anti-Scottish rag.

    28. Thepnr says:

      I think JK Rowling might be taking a wee break from twitter over Xmas and the New Year. She has totally lost the plot or maybe just a wee bit too much mulberry wine. Who knows and to be honest who cares.

      I couldn’t even read all of this, a few paragraphs were enough.

      “JK Rowling attacked Jeremy Corbyn with a series of biblical tweets – and people aren’t sure what to think”

      http://archive.fo/XZFBL

    29. schrodingers cat says:

      @pnr

      i read her tweets, a lot of havers tbh, but what i did take from it was she was really pissed off at jeremey christ saying labour would continue with brexit if they won a ge, told him and labour to sling their hooks.

      when people decide to cross the floor, it generally starts with publically denouncing your ex party then they join the party opposite,

      twitter is today full of labour voters, members and even MPs. membership cards are being burnt as we speak. people saying they will not vote for a pro brexit labour party. many in england are saying they have joined the greens or libdems

      in scotland, remainers who dont support indy only have the libdems to vote for. good. they are starting from a very low base in most areas of scotland, it will split the unionist vote in the coming ge.

    30. There’s an upside to Corbyn’s face constantly splashed across the front pages.
      When we run out of toilet paper on the 30th March ’19.

    31. Dr Jim says:

      @Thepnr

      And the Lord spake unto JK saying I will promise the people this land a land where milk and honey flow, now go forth and tell the people of the land to vote *Better Together* and the land shall be made known unto them and ye shall prosper in the land and all manner of good things shall flow from the land and I will render unto thee the word of God written by mine own hand and that word shall be *The Smith Commission* and contained therein shall be the promises I have made to the people of the land and by mine own word shall these things come to pass and the word of God shall be fulfilled

      Now go unto Pharaoh Cameroneses and present these things of which I have told thee and take this staff of Potterdom and place it before Pharoah so that he may know the power of God is mighty beyond all other and say these words so all may know of the truth of the power of God

      Promiseramous immediatemous

      Noo I deserve tae be writin ma ain books if that’s aw the crap ye need tae come up wae

    32. Cubby says:

      Always thought Rowling’s books were bonkers and now she has proved she is bonkers.

    33. schrodingers cat says:

      And she did say unto them ‘share thy hot take.’ And with righteous wrath they did declare, ‘thou fearest Saint Jeremy, friend of the poor, because he shall take from thee in taxation much more even than Herod, and so thou attackest the meek and honest saviour of this land.’

      And she did reply, ‘I shall not call ye dimwits, for it is the season of goodwill, but tis not Saint Jeremy who shall tax me, nay, not even if he enters the house of Number Ten,… for my tax rates are set by Queen Nicola, in whose kingdom I do abide, and unto her I do pay my full portion, —seeking neither to flee to Monaco nor to hide my gold in far flung lands, like St Jacob, Patron Saint of Filthy Hypocrites.’ ‘Speak not of hypocrites!’ cried the host, ‘for thou dost claim to care about the poor yet doth rail against their champion, St Jeremy!’

      And she did answer, ‘How shall the poor fare under Brexit, which thy Saint hath always in his secret heart desired, yet he hath not admitted what was in his heart, lest fewer attend his next Sermon on the Glastonbury B Stage.’ And they did answer, ‘Saint Jeremy will achieve a miracle, and he shall bring forth a Jobs First Brexit and all the land shall rejoice.’ And she did answer, ‘bollocks.’ But she bethought her of the season of goodwill, and repenting of her ire she did speak further. ‘I have, for all my life, voted Labour, yet now I cannot.’ etc

      the bit about it is to queen nicola i will pay my taxes is perhaps too cryptic to be an outright declaration of support for YES, but i think she will come out in support for snp/yes

      as i said, we are reaching tipping point and it wont just be jaykay who converts, i expect many more high profile converts.

      when this happens, i hope yessers will treat such converts respectfully. to win, we need such converts.

      rule of thumb, if you cant think of anything pleasant to say to such high profile converts, dont say anything at all.

      i think her days of bank rolling labour and better together are over. the yes campaign could do with a £1million donation

    34. Republicofscotland says:

      Like its sister paper the Daily Record, the Sunday Mail, is as indecisive as Corbyn, though Labour appears to be sure of one thing and that’s aligning with the DUP.

    35. K1 says:

      She’s got a fucking cheek given her anti indy stance…how’s that working out Jakey?

      Oh that’s right we stayed with our ‘partner’ and got the shit kicked out of us for even daring of thinking…to leave.

    36. K1 says:

      All Labour are stating when they mention the DUP, is that they would rather do a deal with them than the SNP. That’s where we are now. Even if they scraped enough to get near to forming a govt, they would lie in bed with the DUP to achieve exactly the same shitty deal that May has.

      It’s astoundingly obvious we have a rogue government and opposition.

    37. jfngw says:

      The reason a lot these no supporters like Rowling, Connolly et all claimed they did not support independence is they did not believe in the divisiveness of what they claimed as small nationalism, they were internationalists I presume (in their heads anyway).

      Now of course comes the real test, are they the internationalists they claim or merely Brit Nats in disguise. After all Scotland wants to remain part of the EU, and internationalist. Are they even going to countenance the idea of Scotland should decide its destiny or be dragged where England wants, or be the ‘they already chose’ loudhailers.

      I await with baited breadth to see the cut of their jib.

    38. robertknight says:

      Corbyn in bed with the Demented Ulster Puritans?

      Just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse…

    39. Thepnr says:

      @schrodingers cat

      As the clusterbourach (thanks Ghillie) that is Brexit continues to unfold, like you I suspect we will see a good many former supporters of the Union crossing the bridge to our side.

      What might start as a trickle could become a flood, you can see the cracks in the dam already. As you say let’s be ready to help these people over the line, there are thousands of them even your own family, friends and neighbours.

      You want Independence? Then let’s get all that we can believing in that too. That’s the painless way and it is within grasp.

    40. wull2 says:

      I would offer my middle finger to plug the hole in the Dam, but I wont, I use It to type a post on this site.

    41. Thepnr says:

      @wull2

      I don’t think you want to plug that dam, you want to take a sledgehammer to it and that’s what we need to prepare to do.

      GET THE HAMMERS OUT

    42. galamcennalath says:

      jfngw says:

      they did not support independence is they did not believe in the divisiveness of what they claimed as small nationalism, they were internationalists

      My experience of folks using this defence is that they are BritNats. Somehow in the mind, perverted by a lifetime of Pro Greater England exceptionalist propaganda, they just don’t see their own nationalism.

      In 2014 I remember challenging a couple of them who tried to use such arguments. I suggested the logical extension of their supposed beliefs was that they would support the UK and France merging into one state asap. Truth of course is, such a thought horrified them!

    43. yesindyref2 says:

      Mmm, there seems to be a bit of literary genius going down. Who’d have thunk it?

    44. velofello says:

      Corbyn, “of a morning” for some 40 years (?) , has put on his bicycle clips and cycled to Westminster. He has been enjoying this comfortable steady little number for a working lifetime, and so why at his age would he ever want the hassle of being Prime Minister? For sure he has been enjoying the recent media attention but who can really not see that Corbyn will be neither shaken nor stirred into decisive action.

      May, on the other hand, with her wealthy investment manager husband can see a fortune to be made with Brexit.

    45. Thepnr says:

      This is beyond belief, in some kind of parallel Universe maybe?

      Police tell BBC News they “cannot discount the possibility that there may have been no drone at all”.

      https://twitter.com/TomPugh212/status/1076874388761440260

    46. dakk says:

      Re the drone,the fact there were no pictures or footage over 2 days of coverage told there is something afoot.

      TV cameras have massive zoom lenses. Think of the close up shots they do of the moon at half time in some football match coverage. You can see craters and all.

      No one is telling me they couldn’t catch a drone at 2000 ft.

      Something is being covered up.

    47. Lenny Hartley says:

      Nicola’s wait and see approach is paying dividends, both major Britnat parties at each others throats. In hindsight it was always going to happen sooner or later, thankfully Nicola and team had the foresight ?
      Up in scotland for the day and who should i bump into as I was changing trains but none other than Ian Brotherhood. Great to meet fellow wingers albeit briefly, we need to get that Wegie meet organised ?

    48. Essexexile says:

      Where will we be a year from now?
      Politically it’s anybody’s guess. Anything between a money laundering tax haven that is firmly in bed with Trump or a money laundering tax haven that’s firmly in bed with Putin.
      Somewhere in the cavernous grey area in between is a successfully negotiated path to Scottish independence and a rUK that, in spite of everything, is doing OK.
      Keep saying to yourselves “Everything will be fine”.

    49. Gary45% says:

      Drone story= over, non story
      Salisbury = over, non story
      Skripals = over, non story.
      Anyone seen Phil recently?

    50. Peter Macbeastie says:

      Idiocy in the Sunday Mail.

      Come on Rev, you know you can’t expect anything approaching self awareness from any newspaper with ‘Mail’ in the title.

      The press have been predicting imminent implosion for the SNP for years. They can’t quite get to grips with the fact that it hasn’t happened so just like the Daily Express printing annual ‘snowmaggedon’ reports in the hope that one year it’ll happen and they’ll be right, see also their approach to the SNP.

      Although with the SNP it’s clear they can’t make up their mind and have applied the Schroedinger’s cat principle of both possible states simultaneously with this.

    51. Dr Jim says:

      Everything’s fine folks turns out the *drone* was just a spaceship viewed from very far away making it look like a closer up drone…..Dougal

    52. Famous15 says:

      If the drone was a squirrel then it was all cojones of steel. Eh Ruthie?

      Let us walk away from this nonsense and build a Scotland fit for our grandchildren.

      Watched our Presiding Officer interviewing Hazeltine on Parliament Channel.

      “ Margaret (Thatcher) had the good fortune to have the windfall of North Sea Oil”

      “Brexit is a long term calamity,Corbyn is a short term calamity”

    53. jfngw says:

      @galamcennalath

      I agree, I believe it was all BS. But now they are out in the open, they can’t hide behind their phony internationalism. They are now either internationalist or Brit Nats, there is no other choice now for those in Scotland, they either step up to the plate (I’m going cliche mad today) or not.

      Just saying ‘I did my best, I supported a peoples vote’ just doesn’t cut it now. No use to us being a Willie Rennie or a Bobby Leonard now.

    54. yesindyref2 says:

      So, the Unionists think a People’s Vote is a threat to the Onion, but they think a no-deal Brexit is a threat to the Onion, or a May deal Brexit or cancelling Brexit is a threat to the Onion. Then they think Corbyn is a threat to the Onion and May as well, but some think grease-moggy is a threat to the Onion.

      One this they all have in common.

      They know their onions.

    55. Robert Peffers says:

      @jfngw says: 23 December, 2018 at 4:56 pm:

      … they were internationalists I presume (in their heads anyway).”

      Nah! They were only internationalists in their tax returns. Stashing the cash away in off-shore tax havens.

    56. Macart says:

      ALL the very best of the festive season and a grand new year when it comes. Hopefully, 2019 will see more than a few Christmas wishes granted. 😉 (winky thing)

      Also? It’s a big ask at the moment for all the obvious reasons, but anything you can spare for local food banks, clothing charities where you are? Pretty certain that’ll be more than appreciated.

      Merry Christmas Wingers.

    57. Tam says:

      Not long now England,,,,not long now..

      Tick tock!!!

    58. TJenny says:

      So police say there may not have been a drone after all. It was always a bit suspect when 100k+ folk stranded at Gatwick had no pics on phones. Hmm. And what about the drone that allegedly flashed the control tower. Just a pigeon flashing its piles?

      However we now have an Israeli anti drone system at Gatwick. (wonder if it comes with a handy wee passenger profiling pack?).

      I hope that the couple arrested and now free without charge, sue the cops and the MSM for sqillions – and maybe it will make more people distrusts the MSM.

    59. jfngw says:

      @TJenny

      Reliably informed the police now believe it was a hang gliding squirrel.

    60. TJenny says:

      jfngw – flashing its nuts? 🙂

    61. TJenny says:

      And does this now mean passengers will be eligible for compensation?

    62. auld highlander says:

      Tam at 7.31

      //www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LyEvuULDFs

    63. Breeks says:

      Think Rowling’s been at the eggnog and mulled wine.

      Likely woke up with a hangover, and wondering in dim recollection if she really did say that stuff out loud.

      Say it?

      Oh no.

      Oh shit.

      Oh shit with fkn bells on.

      Aye JK, you did press send.

    64. jfngw says:

      @TJenny

      In this day and age I would hate to gender identify it.

    65. Breeks says:

      You don’t suppose the drone story, (not JK, the other drone story), was just a cover story for a Government Committee running “war games” and a civil defence exercises in a crazy hypothetical scenario where air traffic was suddenly grounded and gridlocked for some bizarre reason and had to check whether contingency plans were robust…

      Nahhhhh……

      It’s ok… I’ll giving the turkey his tin foil hat back now… He thinks we’re all out to get him.

    66. Cubby says:

      Yesindyref2@6.55pm

      Were you having some onion soup earlier on?

    67. Robert Peffers says:

      @Cubby says: 23 December, 2018 at 8:21 pm:

      ” … Yesindyref2@6.55pm“, Were you having some onion soup earlier on?”

      Perhaps not but given it is the festive season Yesindyref2 make have been a bit pickled.
      ;-))

    68. jfngw says:

      We of course are always hampered by the Scottish cringe. How do we overcome it, it’s hard because it has been ingrained by the education system (Scots were effectively barbarians prior to the union), the BBC, we are either drunks, drug users or other forms of criminals. Scottish education will be disparaged, I remember someone commenting about Edinburgh University not what it used to be. Former press editors claiming we would become a third world country if independent.

      But what we now need to drive home now, the Brexit shambles has been brought to you mostly by Oxford & Cambridge graduates, plus a large smattering of English public school attendees. Whereas few of the SNP top brass, if any, attended any of these so called elite institutions. Which of these groups has the most positive outlook for our country, the debating society group or the Scottish realists, I suspect Jacob Rees-Mogg was a star at the debating society.

    69. sassenach says:

      Is it me, or do I detect people in happier frames of mind, and discussions going well, this evening?

      It’s now 9-20 and (as yet) no signs of our resident idiot tag team.
      Let’s hope I’ve not spoken too soon!!

    70. galamcennalath says:

      Those at the heart of Better Together and NO campaigning like JKR make me sick, literally feeling like boking!

      When they campaigned for NO they knew full well this meant no mandate Tory rule for Scotland more often than not. They also knew, if unbridled, the Tories have tendency to lurch to the right.

      What has happened is what BTers knew was inevitable. They knew this would be the cost to Scotland of staying under London rule.

      Ordinary NO voters are often open to conversion. Enough of them changing their minds will deliver us from this evil union. However, those who brought all this shite down upon us have no excuse, no redemption, no absolution.

      Bitter? You bet, because they will do the same all over again.

    71. yesindyref2 says:

      Mmmm, tasty!

    72. A restful Christmas to all non Yoons.
      Up and at them, in 2019

    73. dakk says:

      ‘Think Rowling’s been at the eggnog and mulled wine.’

      Eaten the worm after drinking a bottle of Mezcal more like.

    74. yesindyref2 says:

      This is what is supposed to have been used against the drone (if any), the UK bought 6 without the laser hard kill.

      https://www.janes.com/article/82347/uk-signs-for-drone-dome-c-uas-system

      I still think they should use a military grade maser or a saser, perhaps using a dog bark as a sound source amplified one way or another.

      Woof.

    75. jfngw says:

      I propose in the new Scottish Constitution the second amendment should be the right to bare arms, or bottoms for the kilt wearing fraternity.

    76. Dr Jim says:

      You know when you’re NOT living in a free country when the UK Guv has big companies signing non disclosure orders against telling the public what’s really going on with Brexit

      The Guardian on big Pharma and medicines

    77. Gary45% says:

      Dr Jim@10.30
      Big Pharma, I’ve been saying this for years, here is a pill to make you feel better, you may get side effects so here is another pill to counter side effects,= win, win for Pharma.
      The evidence is there if you dig deep enough.
      Paranoid defence/security is the next biggie regarding hedge money.
      Keep the population dumb, paranoid and gullible.
      KERCHING££$$.
      High street/out of town shopping centres owned by hedge funds, hence the reason you are told on the media(owned by hedge funds) to save the high street/shopping centres, by buying shit you don’t need, it goes on and on.
      Look into Zionism and you’ll get the picture.

    78. velofello says:

      @ jfngw; and for independent England’s unwritten Westminster constitution, following the parting of our ways … bare-faced liars.

    79. Tam says:

      England still in denial of the true harsh effects Brexit is going to have on their Country.

    80. Thepnr says:

      @yesindyref2

      Before you can shoot down a drone you must first see the drone.

    81. Drew Anderson says:

      I can’t believe we’re still in the game to be honest. 19/9/14 we were down & almost out, the Brits were in the ascendant; the Vow, faux love & Project Fear had won the day. But the Unionists just couldn’t do rapprochement; in with the boot, as per default. Cameron then demonstrated his fraternal love by announcing EVEL; so far, so bad.

      Our first gift was the 2015 GE. Not the 56 seats that the SNP got, but Cameron’s unexpected majority of 5. The EU referendum was a manifesto promise that the, ahem, Right Honourable gentleman didn’t expect to have to honour. Project Fear’s hangover though; Middle England had been fed the horrifying prospect of Corbyn propped up by the SNP (as if). Brexit & Cameron’s exit gifts us May.

      I was, until yesterday, concerned that the “Leader of Her Majesty’s loyal opposition” could still appeal to enough of the old school socialists & the youth to ruin everything. Corbyn has never had the support of his own parliamentary party, never mind the rest of the opposition. But Corbyn’s social media campaign was enough to deny May a majority, May then needs the DUP; gifts galore.

      Cue all sorts of desperate attempts to retain power; more gifts.The gifts will keep coming until…
      …the moment Indyref2 is called. At that point the Unionist cabal will have a target & a very convenient distraction. The gloves will be off then & it won’t be pretty; petty yes, pretty no. The wounded British Lion will use every dirty trick in the book, it will invent new dirty tricks & it will do things out of pure spite thereafter.

      As things stand there’s still 4 possible outcomes of Brexit: no deal; bad deal; another referendum or abandon the process. The chances of either of the latter 2 are vanishingly small, but until they or either of the former options are absolutely ruled out there’s no point, absolutely none, in pursuing another referendum campaign. Let the Unionists tear their own arguments apart, they are doing our legwork for us. Let them waste their time, their energy & their resources; especially their resources. Once they’ve given us a target we strike, we strike hard & we strike true. If we go too soon we hand all the initiative back.

    82. jfngw says:

      @Thepnr

      Use the force Kwai Chang Caine, use the force.

    83. Thepnr says:

      Corbyn really is in serious soapy bubble if he carries on with his non policy on Brexit if this letter in the Guardian is anything to go by.

      “I am a long-term Labour party member and have voted and campaigned for Labour all my adult life. If this policy – to continue with Brexit – is adopted as the party policy in an early general election in 2019, I will not be able to work for or support the Labour party. For the first time in my voting life, I would not vote Labour – and would probably vote for a Green party candidate.”

      http://archive.fo/fxEC5

      I suspect there are a great deal more feeling exactly the same as he does. Corbyn is writing his own obituary through inaction.

    84. Dan Huil says:

      @Tam 11:10pm

      You’re right, Tam. And demand we in Scotland believe in the laughing stock called the united kingdom.

      @Thepnr 11;12pm

      It’s the perfect metaphor for this crappy so-called united kingdom. Tilting at windmills: shooting at non-existent drones.

    85. Old Pete says:

      Will 2019 be the year Scotland becomes an Independent country? I hope so, as I doubt if we will have a more favourable opportunity in my lifetime.

    86. Thepnr says:

      The two things making the news today have something very much in common. The drone attack on Gatwick is one, how many seen this drone? Were not the entire staff of the airport plus hundreds of police and the public skimming the skies looking for this drone?

      I guess not or be assured we would know all about it, apparently though they did find a damaged drone on the airport grounds somewhere today. Phew, thank goodness for that, some people might have thought they were imagining things otherwise.

      What’s that to do with Corbyn?

      Well you’ve heard the saying “turn a blind eye” and that’s what he’s doing. Pretending that Brexit isn’t really happening and hoping that if he just does nothing then everything will work out good for him and the Labour party.

      Deluded, more than that it’s an idiotic stance to take and he becomes more exposed as each day passes. ordinary people like the letter writer in the Guardian now see him as the fraud he has always been.

      The phrase “turn a blind eye” is attributed to Nelson who supposedly said “I see no ships” when holding the telescope to his blind eye after being ordered to retreat at the battle of Copenhagen. This has nothing whatsoever to do with drones or Corbyn but hey it’s late and nothing much being said here anyway, so just thought I’d throw that in for free 🙂

    87. ronnie anderson says:

      youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

    88. ronnie anderson says:

    89. Thepnr says:

      A favourite of mine Ronnie. Sorted the link for you.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

    90. yesindyref2 says:

      Well, here we are, minutes from Chistmas Eve. Hopefully it’s all under control, as husbands or partners have frantically looked around for some missing something on the supermarket shelf, to shout out loud “yippee” as we found it. Some fights I daresay for the last bunch or living pot of parsley.

      Time to spare a thought for those alone, perhaps lost families, perhaps fallen out with families. Christmas is a time for falling out it seems as people go beresk. Aldo those for whom Christmas will be a little sad because they lost a loved one during the year. My wife is busy with the stuffing, mince pies on the rack thing, cookng smells. She almose didn;t make last Christmas and is still recovering.

      Even more of a thought for those homeless, without shelter, perhaps if they’re lucky taken in by a charity to be given Christmas dinner, now tomorrow as I write this

      And then there are those for whom Christmas is just another day of starvation, danger, desperation, lack of hope, torture even.

      Mmm, that was pretty deep, time for a cuppa tea and a mince pie!

    91. ronnie anderson says:

      Thanks Alex its ah hit an a miss wie that You Tube the noo

    92. geeo says:

      Want to bet that after xmas recess, treeza will try to make a comparison between the ‘drone-gate’ Gatwick chaos and what will happen at airports, if her shitty deal is not passed ?

    93. Dr Jim says:

      Well the Tories have written the Queens speech for her and it’s leaking out all over the place

      The message is Unity of the UK and bringing together because we’re guess what, better together no matter what catastrofick befalls R precious Union

      I’m spittin at the telly already coz I can’t afford to buy a new one if I shoot it

      See I can understand why Elvis did that now

    94. Rock says:

      The SNP lost half a million voters and 21 of their 56 MPs at the last Westminster election.

      It is my prediction that they will lose many more seats to Unionists United at the next Westminster election.

      I will be happy to be proved wrong.

      Anyone here willing to go on the record and say that the SNP will gain seats?

    95. Dr Jim says:

      Grimsby is the UKs unhealthiest town in the UK
      Edinburgh is the healthiest

      Shock for the UK, Fully expected in Scotland where despite all the negative garbage they talk about us the obesity level in Scotland is 5% and holding, England is 8% and rising, Wales is 11% and rising

      I don’t have numbers for NI

    96. Dr Jim says:

      We don’t need to predict anything Prof Curtice predicts SNP @ around 47 seats and there’s still a lot of earth to be dug up yet

      Labour predicted to lose very heavily in Scotland, Tories less so because some Labour Unionists will switch to Tories on the *better together* ticket

      Better together of course translates as Bigots together of the No Surrender party who’s percentage is predicted to slip to around 22%

    97. Cactus says:

      SO it’s a possible gatdronegate now is it jings, who knows it may only be the first course of many more to come. How dae ye like yer dinner served!

      Hopefully we can all make it to Hogmanay without any further ‘events’ occurring.

      NOW is the time to GET and BE ready Scotland.

      Yes, 2018 has been a stupid year.

      Yes 2019 WILL be the one.

      Merry Eve Everybuddy x

    98. Dr Jim says:

      Best wishes Cactus

    99. Cactus says:

      Cheers Dr Jim, same tae yersel, enjoying yer company on the journey to Indy.

    100. Cactus says:

      Here be a warm up for next week Scotland:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGOwilAbsww

      How did that make you FEEL?

      Yes too 2019.

    101. Cactus says:

      Anow for another, this was a Chistmas No 1 that prevented The Darkness from going to number one.

      http://www.youtube/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4

      Remember the original.

    102. Cactus says:

      This comment might duplicate, oops.

      Anow for another, this was a Chistmas No 1 that prevented The Darkness from going to number one.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4

      Remember the original.

    103. yesindyref2 says:

      @Cactus
      It certainly is.

    104. Ken500 says:

      Thank goodness for the SNP standing up for Scotland agaivst the lies. Thank goodness for everyone who joins. Thanks goodness for everyone who votes SNP/SNP and will vote YES to Independence. Thank goodness for all who donate and campaign. Mitigating the Westminster lies and cruelty. The appalling Westminster policies which have affected Scotland badly fir years.

      Thank goodness for when May and Tory/unionists will be gone. Soon in a couple of weeks. The complete and utter cruelty and in omoetence. An absolute complete and utter shambles. Spiteful beyond belief. Absolutely no need for austerity. The sight of May and the rest an absolute embarrassment.

      The lying Pollsters etc being paid by Hedge Funds. Breaking electoral Laws with impunity. Gerrymandering using Polls to manipulate the vote. The Electoral system in Scotland changed without a mandate by Unionists. Letting 3rd losers in.Commtting electoral fraud being censored and fined many times. Most of them should be in jail.

      Thank goodness the Tory/unionists will soon be gone. Something to look forward to in the New Year. The SNP will bide it’s time until the support needed rises. Everything to win the next time. Scotland grows away in any case. It will not be long. 50,000 people keel over every year and the young ones come on board. The demographics are changing.

      Thanks to Alex Salmond, Nicola and the SNP for the AWPR after 40 years. It is just brilliant and amazing. It will make such a difference to the economy. Scotland being taken into the modern world as it should be. The improvements being made are extraordinary. Thank goodness for the SNP, for every member, campaigner and funds donated. Where would Scotland be without them. It beggars belief to even think about it. The state Scotland would be without them. Standing up for Scotland.

      Thanks a billion Rev Stu, Nana etc. Onwards and upwards. For the New Year dawning. The Tory/unionists will be gone. Thank goodness. Everything to look forwards. Another victory for the people. The power is in their hands. Just get out and vote.

    105. Tam says:

      The deluded English having visions of their Empire ruling the world again.

      Let’s hope their Colony of Scotland votes to become an Independent Nation and Free of London Rule.

    106. john dickson says:

      #brexit, welcome to Britain’s version of the Hunger Games

    107. Tatu3 says:

      Merry Christmas Stu and fellow wingers. I have learnt a lot this year from all of you.
      And all the best for 2019 in a hopefully independent Scotland.
      Scotland – a normal country.

    108. Shinty says:

      Cactus – never heard it on a harp before – beautiful. Thank you.

    109. Ken500 says:

      The Chinese – ‘Britain a small island without Empire’

      ‘Scotland the land of discovery’.

    110. Gfaetheblock says:

      Dr Jim

      Not sure where you are getting your data from but according the scot.gov it is 29% of the population that are obese. A national crisis.

      https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Health/TrendObesity

      English levels are slightly lower

      https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03336/SN03336.pdf

    111. Marie Clark says:

      Merry Christmas to Stu and all wingers. I’ll try and pop in now and again, but about to be busy for the next couple of days.

      Try and have a wee rest folks, and get the batteries charged for next year. It looks as if we all might be very busy. Cheers.

    112. wull2 says:

      One side says NO to a people vote, the other says NO to a GE, so that only leaves me to say YES, nothing else, hope this has made you change to YES now.

      Make it your New Year resolution to say YES next time.

    113. stu mac says:

      Forgot to add this one

      https://www.thenational.scot/news/17317436.ex-snp-councillor-mcanulty-criticises-party-after-infighting/

      and it is disappointing that the SNP leadership did nothing bout this.

    114. Capella says:

      Interesting article by Fintan O’Toole in the Iirsh Times in June. From a link by Sharp Ears comment on Craig Murray’s blog:

      To grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism – a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. Forget “post-fascist” – what we are living with is pre-fascism.

      https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

    115. auld highlander says:

      There’s a nice photo of Corbyn on the wings twitter thing,

      is he is a secret Tory voter?

    116. Paul Wilson says:

      Make the New Year a much happier one by not reading these Yoon rags and just letting them wither on the vine also stop paying the TV tax and refuse to watch the BBC and STV will make life so much calmer and better!

    117. Proud Cybernat says:

      O/T

      Derek Bateman
      @DerekBateman2

      Derek Bateman Retweeted Michael Moore

      They really are bastards. I never panic. But I’m dependent on my meds. One is brand specific. It’s the only one I can take – for life. It’s made in Poland. The NHS can’t confirm I will get it. First they play games then they deny us basic info. There are no words…

    118. Proud Cybernat says:

      What are SNP up to?

      https://i.imgur.com/tc2QbLL.jpg

      Ross deleted that tweet minutes after posting it.

    119. stu mac

      You are correct this was a little scandal which head office ignored.

      Head Office has ignored the goings on in North Lanarkshire for a long time. A clean out is required I trust there will be an enquiry into this and those at fault, regardless of who they are, are dealt with they have damaged the party in an area where it should be thriving.

      SNP North Lanarkshire is turning into a Labour branch with the nonsense occurring there.

    120. ronnie anderson says:

      Shuurly shom mistake Bethlehem christmas celebrations staring of with a PipeBand , must hiv hud trouble finding ah JewsHarp band

    121. Legerwood says:

      Gfaetheblock @ 8.43 am

      I think Dr Jim may have been quoting the figures for morbid obesity. See
      https://thoughtcontrolscotland.com/2018/12/23/scottish-mortuaries-to-install-larger-fridges-amid-morbid-obesity-crisis-in-england-and-wales/

    122. Dr Jim says:

      @Gfaetheblock

      I saw this a couple of weeks ago after the BBC ran their story, you’re right to say 29% but that figure is apparently total UK so if you add my numbers up (I didn’t have the NI figure) it’s the same number give or take
      They did some confusing preamble around demographics and geography then reported it as if it was 29% of each individual country in the UK and when I had a look at the BBC website these were the numbers individually because I couldn’t believe each country would be exactly the same it just seemed odd to me

    123. schrodingers cat says:

      the worlds smallest christmas card………..

      christmas again

      times are hard

      here’s yer fukcin’

      christmas card

      🙂

    124. Dr Jim says:

      @Gfaetheblock

      Correction, child morbid obesity

      My fault!

    125. Ken500 says:

      Homeless has risen on the rest of the UK. 25% in the last five years. It has not risen to that in Scotland. Yet the MSM quote these figures for the UK. That is not true.

      Child poverty is quoted at 25%. A food banks gives out 4,000 parcels. There are four 16,000 parcels out of a population of 1/4million.

      25% of children in Edinburgh go to private school.

      The one’s in poverty are students (temporary) and elderly women who were denied pension rights because they worked part-time.

    126. Ghillie says:

      Happy happy Christmas Eve folks =)

    127. Cubby says:

      Rockshit@1.35am

      I am happy to go on the record and state that you are nothing but a sneaky Britnat who just posts nonsense that Nostradamus would be ashamed of.

    128. Bob Mack says:

      Busy festive period coming up, so may I take this opportunity to wish ALL Wingers a Merry Christmas.

      No matter our differences on routes to independence we all have the same final destination in mind. The very very best to you and your kin for the festive season.

      I shall toast you all at the Xmas table..

    129. Ghillie says:

      Thankgoodness for Ken500’s posts =)

      Cactus, thankyou for that lovely harp solo of Auld Lang Syne =)

      Thepnr, ‘clusterbourach’ is an astounding word! But it wisnae me. A big girl said it and ran away (to get on with their incredibly important work!) I think it was either Dr Philippa Whitford or Joanna Cherry. Either way, it’s a grand word and just what we needed!

      I nominate ‘CLUSTERBOURACH’ as the word of the year 🙂

      Wishing Rev Stu, all Wingers new and old and yes, our trolls too, a really lovely and love filled Christmas and whatever is special for you =)

    130. Dr Jim says:

      Christmas: isn’t it a pleasure when you’ve got to go back out to buy bigger bags to put the crap in that your Grandkids won’t want anyway because somebody else bought them a million pound **thing** that enables them to play a game with somebody in China they don’t know till it breaks or they lose it and all gifts can be no less than two million pounds in the future or you don’t care about their mental development and education because some idiot teacher said something like that once and the child will remember only that portion of it forevermore but can’t tell you the Capital city of Scotland (coz we never did that)

      But it’s the joy they bring you on their little faces at Christmas

      This post was intended for humour only and not in any way an indictment of the teaching profession or the demeanour of anyone’s children, because I’m happy, I really am, honest tae Christ I am, and let that be an end tae it,

      Dear God take me now!

    131. Legerwood says:

      RBS applying for a licence to bank in Germany post Brexit

      From BBC News website: “”Royal Bank of Scotland has applied for a German banking licence to help it retain clients in the European Union in the event of a no-deal Brexit. “”

      What was it BT said would happen to the banks if we voted Yes? Something about banks leaving?

      RBS may not be physically leaving but a lot of its business is. Apparently this latest move will mainly apply to NatWest which does a lot of business in EU

    132. yesindyref2 says:

      LOL!

    133. fillofficer says:

      dr jim
      haha, thats the true spirit

    134. Dan Huil says:

      It’s OK folks, some obscenely rich old wifey called Windsor is about to address her “subjects”. The filth and stench of this so-called united kingdom continues to ruin the lives of innocent people. Thankfully rabid British nationalists continue to destroy their so-called united kingdom.

      Ah’m a Scot, Ah’m naebody’s “subject”.

    135. Dr Jim says:

      A snippet of how the BBC does it:

      John Beattie radio Scotland interviews a business person on Green issues and how they are trying to weave that in to business, the lady says the Scottish government has been really helpful to business in Scotland and hopes they can find the money to do more,and all that sounds fine, But then John Beattie says “But nobody trust governments do they?”

      One wonders if that’s John Beatties personal opinion or is it the BBCs opinion, either way whichever it is I don’t recall anytime ever the Scottish government making outright announcements to the general public that *nobody trusts the BBC do they?* and if they did there would be outrage unbound from the BBC

      John Beattie is partly correct in his pronouncement though as it’s the UK government that has a very low trust level, however in Scotland it’s quite the opposite, there is a profession however that is held in lower esteem than politicians and that is *Journalists* which is held in no esteem whatsoever

      Deafness to public opinion by the BBC has gone past the criminal now

      QI Fact: Kim Jong Un is the only person in North Korea of that name

    136. Daisy Walker says:

      Firstly a Good Christmas to all when it comes. Don’t get too stressed.

      Secondly, it you have the time, have a wee gander at 3 blokes in a pub – Veterans against Brexit.

      Ex navy guy on (about half way in) speaking candidly about UK military states, first rule of UK warfare, is for anything infantry – we need the Scottish Regiments.

      Another good program by Hughes. Interesting watching England wake up politically, but its a much ‘bigger ship’ to change course than our lovely country.

      Best to all.

    137. HandandShrimp says:

      Merry Crimbletropes to you all when it comes.

    138. wull2 says:

      When the media was taking pictures of an old car roof box on top of a van equipped with a scaffolding pole, I wonder what was going on in the op[site direction. if any.

    139. yesindyref2 says:

      For some reason I received the full transcript of the Queen’s Speech. Now, it’s actually 3 hours long because May has been adding bits since January and not bothering taking them off as things change. Yes, you can imagine! Also since Corbyn is 100% behind May, he’s been given a half hour all to himself (which could have been compressed into 1 minute but, be fair). I’m not going to reprint the whole thing as it would take 2019 pages of Wings, so I’ve summarised it.

      —————

      My Subjects, and Taffies, Micks and Sweaty Socks,

      We are pleased to be leaving those European chancers and saying goodbye to Johnny Foreigner. Brexit will be a total disaster for all of you which is why we’re bringing back the Tower of London to its original use, and re-opening all the Dungeons. Any subject or lesser colonial breed that says one word against it will be thrown in there with no trial. The Rule of Law is hereby repealed.

      All my Royal Prerogative is vested solely in Theresa May and you will do what she says or else. In return she has promised me £2 billion to redecorate Buck Palace, and £1 billion for each of my other Palaces. The Nation will be so pleased, and all you, my serfs loyal knee-bending subjects.

      In addition she has promised all the Royal Family and hangers-on £20 million each per year, this will only cost £254 billion a year. To pay for this the Tax Collectors will be round and you are all expected to co-operate as they remove orl your belongings. Fleets of container ships will be taking these overseas and selling them orf to pay for it all.

      Meanwhile I’m sure you’ll be delighted that me and Phil have managed to get a cheap holiday in the Canary Islands, all of t hem, all the accomdation as we’re taking all the family except that Meghan Markle who’s being deported, we will be taking the Royal Navy and all trasport aircraft, as well as a few royal flights of Typhoons and all available F35-B to keep off the dreaded Spaniards. Frankly, the Russians would be stark staring bonkers to invade the UK when we’ve left – it’s all gorn, long gorn.

      Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New poverty-stricken New Year

      She who must be obeyed
      —————-

      I think I got most of it in there.

    140. mike cassidy says:

      Depressing to discover

      via the Oxford English Dictionary

      that the awful word ‘crimbo’ has been around for a long time

      1928 Strand Mag. July 70/1 306 You’ve saved your man, by crimbo.

      1966 P. Moloney Plea for Mersey 63 Dick Crimbo = St. Nicholas.

      1989 Looks Dec. 5 Worth cancelling a crimbo party to catch this one, it’s totally fab.

      2001 GQ Nov. 122/2 A crisp £20 handed to the dustman just before Crimbo may seem like sheer profligacy.

    141. Liam says:

      [blockquote]
      wull2 says:
      24 December, 2018 at 9:06 am

      Make it your New Year resolution to say YES next time.
      [/blockquote]

      But read the question first. I wouldn’t put it past the fuckers to ask: “Do you want to stay in the union?” [yes] [no]

    142. Capella says:

      @ Daisy Walker – you’re right about the 3 blokes in a pub on veterans. The ex navy guy does indeed say that they need the Scottish infantry. Unfortunately, he doesn’t really explain why as the others wonder if it’s because the kilts are too scary, or the bagpipes.

      My own guess would be that they are expendable.

      At approx 20 mins in:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBbMMgt-8M

      However, the facts they discuss from the beginning are absolutely shocking. How shameful that the Westminster Government treat servicemen and women so shabbily.

    143. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Just want to wish all Wingers and the BOSS a very merry Xmas from the heart of Europe.

      Xmas Eve is when the shops close at 14.00, families and friends get together at home, have a meal together and afterwards share out the presents.
      Christmas Day and Boxing Day, again everything is closed. It’s seen as a time for peace and quiet, inner contempletion and quality family time.

      NOT a consumer driven madhouse of buy, buy and 24 hr. shopping orgies.

      It’s nearly 10 degrees so no sign of snow, might do a MTB bike ride up into the Taunus Hills tomorrow to rid the body of the stuff from the night before. 🙂
      (Ardbeag at 19.99 Euros a bottle and a very nice “Arran Gold” Cream Liqueur) 😉 😉

    144. shug says:

      All the best Stu. You are the only media worth reading

      Hope you are planning a fund raiser to get into Indyref2

    145. mumsyhugs says:

      Right – that’s this particular Christmas fairy finally organised so at last I have a chance to wish every independence supporter both here and in all parts of the world a very merry Christmas. And to those especially who are struggling, stay brave – independence and a fairer, better society are coming.

    146. shug says:

      I do worry about how Indyref 2 will manage when Westminster is throwing money at Integrity Initiative and Atlantic Council and a host of others not yet named.

      The more of them that are outed the better

    147. Dr Jim says:

      Being Scottish is like being in the traffic lane where naebdy lets ye oot,Heid goes doon, or the frightened pensioner who’s just bought the last ten loaves because the shop’s shut the next day and you only need one,Heid goes doon, or the cash machine at Christmas closes because its run oot of money just as you go to put yer card in,Heid goes doon

      In Scotland we don’t even say excuse me anymore, we just say *sorry* and we say it a lot even when it’s no oor fault

      In Ireland they’ve replaced the Heid doon and the word sorry with Bastard to describe everything I just wrote

      I like the humour of that

    148. Lenny Hartley says:

      Graf Midgehunter Happy Christmas to you and family as well, enjoy the Arran Gold, made 15 miles from me, its the only Whisky Cream that is made with Single Malt Whisky, the others mostly made with a blended Whisky or just the base spirit. Thats what makes Arran Gold head and shoulders above the rest.
      The various Arran Malts are great as well and they have a new distiliary in the South of the Island which has just started producing, it will be making peated Arran Malt.

    149. Shinty says:

      Edradour Cream Liqueur – one of the very best IMHO (also make with single malt whisky)
      To be fair, haven’t yet tried Arran Gold.

    150. Arthur Thomson says:

      A merry Christmas to all Scots, wherever they originated from.

      A special thanks to any Brits reading this for the Brexit entertainment they have provided. Keep digging guys and you wi!l find your proper place in this world.

    151. Meindevon says:

      Hey Rev…Kaiser Chief’s are playing Exeter in February (see you mentioned them on Twitter) come down and we can celebrate being on the verge of a normal self governing homeland.

    152. frogesque says:

      I see Betty is going to implore the country (who’s Country?) to forget their differences and unite.

      I note she, nor any of her lot, bothered to turn up at the Lockerbie memorial. Just like when it happened took days before anyone acknowledged the awful tragedy.

      Hersel’ can shove her speech along with her unity! Just fickity fuck right fucking off!

    153. galamcennalath says:

      shug says:

      Westminster is throwing money …. The more of them that are outed the better

      I agree completely. In EURef, Leave learnt it could use illegal tactics online and get away with it. The far right, awash with dark money, will try the same for IndyRef2.

      However, people don’t like to find out underhand tactics are being deployed. The time to out the perpetrators is well before the vote, not a year after they have won deceitfully!

      It should definitely be part of the YES planning to have savvy people on the look out for dodginess and get it into the public domain asap. If voters believe there is (what amounts to) cheating being used, it could backfire bigtime!

      A threat CAN be turned into an opportunity!

    154. Gary45% says:

      Settling in for the night, a few wee drinkies, then Polar Express, “nothing else makes sense”.
      So Merry Christmas to all wingers whatever religious belief you have, cause at this time of year, it the one time where we can just take a deep breath and say cheers to enemies, friends, surely we can all appreciate what we have.
      Merry Christmas All.
      (certain media/ar*ehole outlets not included, go do one ya bass).

    155. Simon Curran says:

      Merry Christmas to all Wingers. Got myself a bit of holiday reading, ‘The Mighty Affair’ by Charles Hendry Dand. I think I saw someone recommend it here, so whoever it was thank you. It’s an interesting and lively account of how Scotland lost it’s Parliament.

    156. Socrates MacSporran says:

      If I was old Phil Da Greek, I’d be a wee bit worried this Christmas.

      The Tories are going to need a bloody huge squirrell some time in early January, to further delay/divert Brexit.

      Just sayin’ like.

    157. Proud Cybernat says:

      Something from the SNP tonight at 6pm.

      https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/1077251408024489984

      I know what I would like from them.

    158. Maria F says:

      frogesque says:
      24 December, 2018 at 5:23 pm
      “I see Betty is going to implore the country (who’s Country?) to forget their differences and unite”

      How patronising of her, kind of saying “do as I say (read?), not as I do”. This feels like a kick in the teeth after she contributed to fuel division by giving royal assent to that disgusting power grab bill, knowing that by doing so she would delegitimise our perfectly legitimate Continuity bill, passed in the Democratically Parliament of Scotland.

      So one has to wonder, unite for what? So England takes control of Scotland’s main assets without its consent and against its will and continues sucking most of our revenues? Is that what the English establishment this lady belongs to understands by “unity”? Submission?

    159. Proud Cybernat says:

      ‘Twas the night before Brexit…”

      https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/1077262523966152704

    160. yesindyref2 says:

      @PC
      Any chance of saying what it is – or anyone, a youtube? Can;t play it on my browser

    161. Sharny Dubs says:

      Maria F..

      I read the same thing (I think) in the National, the quote went something like “the Queen is going to use her annual address to encourage her subjects to…..”

      And suddenly it struck me, a definition of being Scots, who can vote in the next ref2?

      Hands up all you who were never anybodies “Subject”!!!

    162. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Lenny Hartley –

      Thanks for the info about Arran Gold, my missus loves that stuff, she had a glass in the Orangery at the Seamill Hydro after a splendid christmas dinner.

      Lovely surprise seeing you t’other day – the lad I was with is the younger brother of the friend who shared the train with us back from that WOS social way back, maybe 2014? How’s that for a concidence?

      Have a braw festive period there mister!

      😉

    163. Graf Midgehunter says:

      @ Lenny Hartley 4.17 pm

      All the best Lenny to you and family (and motorbikes..!)

      Arran is a lovely place, went there in the late 60’s with friends to do some rock climbing at the “top” end and spent the week playing golf…!!

      YES… Arran has more than enough of the GOOOD stuff and compares very well with my home territory near Speyside. 🙂

    164. Robert Peffers says:

      @ben madigan says: 23 December, 2018 at 10:36 pm:

      ” … here are the official Christmas greetings from Westminster
      https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2018/12/23/christmas-greetings-2018/

      Westminster greetings?

      Westminster’s aye greetin aboot somthin or ithher.

    165. Bobp says:

      I’m sure Betty’s speech will have her loyal subjects in Scotland in the throes of ecstasy .

    166. Graf Midgehunter says:

      Socrates MacSporran says:

      “If I was old Phil Da Greek, I’d be a wee bit worried this Christmas.

      The Tories are going to need a bloody huge squirrell some time in early January, to further delay/divert Brexit.

      Just sayin’ like.”
      ———————————–

      I’m still laughing at that one a couple of hours later 🙂

    167. TJenny says:

      Bobp – being in the throes of ecstasy – best state to be in, if you’re forced to watch Queenie’s speech. 😉

      Merry Christmas to Rev Stu and all Wingers where ere ye be.

    168. yesindyref2 says:

      Ah well, still don’t know what that SNP thing was all about 🙁

    169. Graeme says:

      Merry Christmas Wingers I am more of a lurker than a contributor although I have posted occasionally but to all true Scots may this be the last Christmas we endure as a subjugated people and to all you subjects of Her Majesty Elizabeth Queen II of ENGLAND, please free yourselves break the bond she doesn’t own you she never owned you be your own person and join us and help us make Scotland the nation we all deserve to live in not just for us but our children and our grandchildren we owe it to them

    170. AlbertaScot says:

      Big, blow-out Ukrainian Christmas Eve supper at a country hall a little east of town. Twelve traditional dishes but there’s always 20.

      Then repeat after me on the day with a Turk and all the trimmin’s and way too much Argentinian wine.

      I’ve still got a couple of haggi in the fridge in reserve. Because you never know.

      By the time this one’s over my belly will be dragging on the ground like a reptile.

      Then it’s off for a spot of ice fishing on Boxing Day. Which is about as athletic as chess.

      The man says it’s going to be Minus 10. “But it’s a dry cold.”

      Merry Christmas to Stu and all from my little log cabin in the Rockies.

    171. Lenny Hartley says:

      As a Pastarafarian I dont celebrate this Christian festival, however I will feasting with my familyas it would be rude not too ? but to all Wingers even the trolls ,hope you have a great Christmas and to all wingers excluding the trolls, hope you all have a very happy New Year.
      Graf Midgehunter cheers , will pass your wishes onto the bikes, they tend toget ignored at this time of year and it will cheer them up,one is 90 in 2019 , hopefully will still have her when she is a 100!
      ian B,cheers mate,my cunning plan worked to perfection, waiting fifteen mins in freezing Paisley Station for the Arran boat train or get a Slower Largs train(More stops) , only had to wait2 mins at Salcoats 🙂 for the Arran boat train to arrive twas great to see you. Hope you enjoyed your pint.
      My Grandparents moved from West Kilbride tonArran 100 years ago!

    172. Tam says:

      Fuck the Purring Queen of Engurland and her Establishment.

      The sooner her and her English parasite siblings are dumped, the better.

    173. Lenny Hartley says:

      Shinty, ill need to inform my sis in law that she is talking shite telling me that the Arran Gold is the only one made with malt whisky, she works at the Arran Distiliary and used to be a tour guide.
      I can see the feast endingin tears ???

    174. yesindyref2 says:

      @frogesque
      Thanks but no, still doesn’t play on mine. Ah well.

    175. Cactus says:

      Yes, this is indeed the stupidest year in history, but the year ain’t over yet… there may be more madness yet to come. There is SO much at stake, the Tories May crack even before ‘ra bells’ sound (and it won’t be Big Ben donging.)

      Could the end of this here 2018 year get any stupider…

      Jingles.

    176. Tam says:

      Even the new American member of the Parasite English Royals is wanting out.

      She doesn’t fit the Anglo-Saxon racist mould.

    177. Merry Christmas to All Wingers and especially to the top man – ‘Himself’.
      Have a great time Stu.

    178. Cactus says:

      Here’s a musical evening intermission:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHixChYgGRI

      The new wind will blaw it in thru.

      Yes for Scotland.

    179. Lenny Hartley says:

      Bugger i wuz wrang apparently she was compating Arran Gold to Baileys nae idea if others are made withmalt or no but at least weknow Arran Gold Nd erandour creams are made with malt.

    180. Capella says:

      Kitchen Toto here – just about to hang up the spurtle and pour a bit of festive cheer. So Merry Christmas everybody, while I’m still reasonably compos mentis (though I will no doubt look in from time to time while waiting for Santa to arrive).

    181. schrodingers cat says:

      @tam

      seen you before, this nom de plume is also time limited

    182. Fireproofjim says:

      I may be a bit slow but I have just noticed that emojis have added a Scottish saltire in their Nation’s flags.
      Do you think they know we will need them a lot more in 2019?
      Anyway I’ll be using them a lot. – ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    183. Fireproofjim says:

      All the above question marks were supposed to be Saltires.
      Anyway they are there Honest

    184. Tam says:

      Fireproofjim

      I think they question marks were for the post about me,,ya chancer.

      Lol

    185. Tam says:

      Don’t tell me we have English luvvin Royalists onboard tonight???

      Even after what the purring Queen of Engurland said about Scottish Independence?

    186. Cactus says:

      What’s that flying overhead…

      Is it a boid?
      Is it a plane?
      Is it a Superwoman / man?
      Is it Santa and co? Nope,

      It’s a delivery drone (wae yer Xmas shopping / messages)

      Ah guess it would just drop doon frae a high height.

      Sign here please, thank you.

    187. dakk says:

      As usual Christmas has been the usual headfuck in my trade.

      It certainly brings out the best and worst in people.

      Will try focus on the best.

      Merry Christmas and thanks to Stuart and all Wingers who are my go to for reason,sanity and sanctuary.

    188. Merry Christmas Stu and team and a very independent New Year.

      Peace and good wishes to all who walk with us to independence.

    189. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Festive felicitations to Stu and youse all from The Brotherhoods in Ayrshire.

      *SINGS*

      “A wean in a manger…”

      🙂

    190. Famous15 says:

      Merry Christmas all.

      Tam the bam squeezing in anti English rhetoric to get us tarred with his brush. Be off scoundrel.

      Tam we see through yer wee gemme. Happy New Year to the old 77th Brigade and your pals Tam.

    191. Great gull says:

      Happy Christmas to all fellow Wingers, regular contributers and lurkers alike. Not that my father was ever bothered with Christmas much. He always said it was an English holiday. Much preferred the New Year and all the tradition that went with that. Lived in the day when it wasn’t a big thing in Scotland, before the media and capitalism got hold of it all. He died aged 86 in October but I hope next year brings want he always believed in. An independent Scotland.

    192. ronnie anderson says:

      Hey its nearly christmas
      the goose didnea git fat
      ah tenderised it wie ma baseball bat
      an dont be looking fur turkey theres nain o that
      guess whit am mental wie ma baseball bat .

      Tae aw Yous Wingers n Lurkers oot there hiv ah good time , an remember if yer swallyn Enjoy .

    193. Tam says:

      Famous15

      Wanker and supporter of the English Royals.

      A bet you are a wee Tory as well Famous.

      Should you no be on the UKIP BNP forum Famous???

      The English Royals are dead against Scottish Independence Famous,,,did you no know that ya wee BritNat ???

    194. Hamish100 says:

      Tam the bampot

      Didn’t you turn up on here under another name a few weeks ago?

      Its Christmas Eve — giv your hatefest a wee rest. We know your wee game.

      merry Christmas

    195. jfngw says:

      Seems the SNP video has set some of the unionists off, mostly the slightly deranged ones that don’t know the difference between a geographic entity and a nationality, some of them even have qualifications, so they claim.

      Just in case they peruse these blogs, when Scotland is independent I will still be British in the same way I will still be European. This idea really seems to mess up their brains.

      Best Wishes everyone.

    196. frogesque says:

      Merry independence and whatever else floats your boat

      Love, peace and jelly babies to all!

    197. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Merry Christmas, Dudes and Dudesess.

      Wishing you and yours aw ra best.

    198. Still Positive says:

      A very Merry Christmas to all Wingers and a Happy New Year to all Indy supporters wherever you are.

    199. Sarah says:

      As Still Positive says. Plus thanks to the Rev for keeping on keeping on.

    200. Legerwood says:

      Merry Christmas to everyone.

    201. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      As the auld sang has it: guidnicht and joy be wi ye aa…

    202. cctxt says:

      Merry Xmas to all here on Wings.

      There have been many thoughtful contributions on these pages this past year – Here’s hoping by next Xmas we’ll be Indy and building a better country for our kids and their’s.

      Keep up the good work Stu – we’re nearly there ….

    203. Liz g says:

      Happy Christmas to all of you lovely crazy people XXX

    204. Al Dossary says:

      Seasons greetings to one and all. May the hope of an impending,independant country keep your spirits high.

      Surrounded by Saudis and Philipinos. The Saudi do have some empathy for us at this time – they recognise Isa (Jesus) as a prophet, just not THE prophet.

      And suddenly realising that I have not spent a Christmas at home, in Scotland since 2008. Maybe next year!

    205. Kennedy says:

      Merry Christmas Stu and all Wingers.

      Thank you all for being there. Wings is part of my life now.

      Hope next year will be good to all of us.

      Keep on keeping on.

    206. sassenach says:

      Have a great Xmas everyone.
      Next year will see us get there, I’m sure.

    207. Luigi says:

      Merry Christmas to all. Be ye regulars, hardcore, lurkers and even trolls. Best wishes and have a great day wi yer families and friends. 🙂

    208. starlaw says:

      Merry Christmas and remember to watch Gordon’s Christmas message at three.

    209. Fairliered says:

      Merry Christmas to all wingers. I bet we all hope Santa brings us the same thing – independence.

    210. wull2 says:

      A message from the Scrooge, hope you lot have not started drinking, we will have a job to do next year, just have a rest before you are required to do your part.

    211. X_Sticks says:

      Seasons greetings to Rev Stu and all the Wings family. I get the impression that 2019 is going to be quite a year. I hope it works in our favour.

      Looking forward to a Wings get together in February, they always raise the spirits. In more ways than one 😉

    212. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Peeps.

      Merry Christmas to Rev Stu, all Wingers and Proud Lurkers!

      A wee song for any reticent NO voters from 2014 reading these pages, as we head into 2019.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzbYaTVIOnU

    213. cearc says:

      Have a lovely day, everyone and may all your roads be paved with chocolate.

      https://news.sky.com/story/chocolate-factory-spillage-repaves-german-road-11578637

    214. Happy Christmas to Stuart and every one of the Wings family,

      the good the bad and the MI5 trolls 🙂

      This could be our last Christmas surrounded and protected by the EU family.

    215. Robert Peffers says:

      @Sharny Dubs says: 24 December, 2018 at 6:24 pm:

      ” … Hands up all you who were never anybodies “Subject”!!!”

      On that subject, Sharny, (pun intended), the legal truth is that under independent Scots law the people are legally sovereign and Her Majesty, Queen of Scots, Elizabeth Regina is legally the person the legally sovereign people of Scotland have chosen to be the protector of their sovereignty.

      That makes the Queen of Scots the people’s subject. Just as it makes those the people of Scotland vote into government, (at any level of government), the people’s subjects.

      Yet, with the exception of the SNP, both the royals and the elected to office people act as if the people of Scotland are their subjects.

    216. Robert Peffers says:

      @yesindyref2 says: 24 December, 2018 at 7:39 pm:

      ” … Thanks but no, still doesn’t play on mine. Ah well.”

      Hi! Yesindyref2, in most browsers you need to open the settings and turn the app on to play YouTube clips. Sometimes you need to look in a sub-menu in the settings.

      Another option is to install the VLC Media Player, which, BTW, also lets you be able to download and save all sorts of media clips to replay later.

    217. Robert Peffers says:

      @jfngw says: 25 December, 2018 at 12:00 am:

      ” … Just in case they peruse these blogs, when Scotland is independent I will still be British in the same way I will still be European.”

      Careful there, fjngw, I commented along those lines some years ago and it gets posted, as if it were some kind of grievous sin, by Rock at intervals ever since.

      Seems it messes with what passes as his/her’s its brains too.

      In any case neither the Kingdom of England nor the United Kingdom are Britain both are only the united Kingdom bit of retain – but that will change in the near future anyway.

    218. Bobp says:

      Merry xmass and happy new year to everyone.



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