Wings Over Scotland

The strap line is almost better than the cartoon.

Ok, the devil is a caricature of Norman Tebbit and I claim my £5.

Right on the button as usual Chris.
Seasons greetings to Stu, Chris, all the Wings team and all wingers everywhere.
Get a rest and let’s gear up for 19’ I think it’s going to be a belter!

Happy CRIMBLES everyone.

Brilliant. And spot on assessment of the situation as always.

Corbyn is playing a walk on role in the this incredibly dangerous ‘game’.

The Tories and their media are pushing ‘no deal’. Either they want actually it, or perhaps it’s a tactic to scare MPs to vote for May’s ‘deal’. People’s lives, livelihoods, and futures a on the line. Corbyn and Labour are completely failing to act in any interests other than party ones.

The old saying .. hate Tories for what they are, but hate Labour for what they are not! Ordinary folks put trust in Labour to look after their interests but for decades this has been misplaced. Tories don’t hide what they are while Labour pretend to be something they are not.

“The puppet master and the confused pensioner.”
Nice one Chris.
Labour just like the Tories, bereft of any ideas.

Remember the First Minister’s throw-away line about calling the media to Bute House on Christmas Eve, to announce Indyref2.

Why not? Satan’s Little Helper, in a Guardina interview today, stresses, even if a Labour Government could re-negotiate a better Brexit deal than the Maybot has managed, we would still be leaving.

The EU has already said: “take it or leave it on this deal,” so, it is that deal or No Deal.

I have supported the FM’s plan of giving Westminster enough rope to produce a satisfactory deal, it is now clear, whether it is a Blue or a Red Tory who is talking with the EU, the UK is leaving.

The Sovereign will of the Scottish people – that we remain inside the EU – is being ignored.

Monday would be a very good day on which to pull the rug from under them and call Indyref2.

Please Nicola – go for it.

Brexit, any Brexit, will bring a new economic downturn, it’s clear. A new tightening of the austerity screw. Which will be jolly for the disaster capitalists but for ordinary folk already finding it hard to make ends meet, not so much.

“For the many not the few” has never rung so false and hollow from this shrunken has-been messiah.

(Not to forget his Northern branch stooge. The little helper’s little helper.)

Labour so willing to do the devil’s work.

Times interview with ?@johnmcdonnellMP?
– I can talk to DUP & can see us working together
– Winning vote of no confidence depends on DUP
– Gordon Brown has offered to advise us in power

link to twitter.com

Links on previous thread

Right on the mark as usual, Chris, every one gets better than those before.

Here’s another guy who could see through the fog of bullshit and always hit the mark:-

link to youtube.com

I’m tending to become rather more cynical in my old age.

Spot on cartoon.

Corbyn and Labours problem is that he and many key individuals (strangely TU leaders who should be concerned about jobs) are brexiteers.

They side with Rees-Mogg, Johnston, Davis, Gove and May.

There is no doubt that Independence is better than any form of Brexit. The benefit of jobs coming to Scotland rather than Ireland or elsewhere is clear. The benefit to our young folk is absolute.

There is no doubt Scotland must have the right to choose and I am sure our First Minister is aware of this. Timing is all.

The film of the book `Fame is the Spur` is on,

`The central character, Hamer Shawcross, starts as a studious boy in an aspirational working-class family, he becomes a socialist activist and soon a Brutish Labour Party career politician, who eventually is absorbed by the upper class establishment he had begun by combating.`

the book was written in the 1930`s,

the desire/lust for ermine has been in the snout of Brutish Labour politicians since the very beginning,

and the downtrodden keep getting suckered into voting them in.

2The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he didn’t exist.’
‘Verbal’ in ‘The Usual Suspects’.
McDonnell in bed with the DUP and Broon brought back from the Elephants’ Graveyard to ‘advise’ a Marxist Christian Fundamentalist UK Government?
A script writer could not make this ridiculous nonsense up.
January will be fun.
Holiday companies will go out of business in the first four weeks of the new year.
No freedom of movement..no matter whether it is US Blockade style Blue Tories or Soviet Socialist Red Tories in charge of crashing out of the EU.
Merry wotsit, to all.

Out of britnat chaos shall Scotland’s independence return.

Like many I thought Corbyn was the answer for the Southern electorate, for me his continued stance on highlighting the plight of the Palestinians is heroic, however to be so far behind in the polls against what is clearly the worst government this country has ever witnessed, (I say that with heavy heart, as I thought Thatcher and Bliar had that accolade).
It is now very clear Labour will do ANYTHING to get the popular vote. (totally clueless on every level)
In Scotland it is now so clear, if we don’t get Independence we are well and truly FKD.
This time last year we all wondered what 2018 would bring, did any of us imagine it being this bad?
Christ knows what 2019 bring.

Deil’s awaw, wae thoan excisemin.

Arlene’s ‘red lines’ may include, and the list is not exhaustive, that the Corbyn Commies ban same sex marriage, abortions, ban Darwinism being taught in schools, outlaw Catholicism and Jewry, insist on a permanent militarily enforced border from Newry to the Atlantic coast, the inalienable right for Norn Irn Loyalists to march anywhere they like, …och, no, I’m being really stupid now.
We now know. In Scotland, if you vote Red Tory, you are voting to leave Europe, and support politicians who preach that the earth was created 4000 years ago, and that the sun orbits the Earth which is of course at the centre of the Universe.
Is McDonnell really this thick?

The Gatwick story had ran out of steam so the BBC turn to old faithful “Russia Bad”.

We hear that the English Navy have sent the mighty Survey vessel,,HMS Echo into the Black Sea to give support to Ukraine in their time of need. HMS Echo usually survey’s the sea bed , but here she is their to deter the Russians from taking any further action against the Ukrainian Navy.

Armed with her two pea shooter guns, the Russians will be shaking in their boots at the sight of England’s HMS Echo ,

Or maybe not, lol.

Thur aw headin fur the Bad Fire as aw oor Grannies used tae say

Chris, Stu
Merry Christmas to you!!

Re Corbyn… I know he’s a Britney through and through… There is some weird mind jiggery pokery going on with him… I think he really does think things would be better for Britain in a socialist satellite state on the edge of Europe. I do think he feels for Palestinians… And I do think he feels for the very, very poor and destitute. And England’s young really do need him. And they trust him. And want to love him.

One of my highlights of the year was the Glastonbury crowd doing a change of lyrics to White Stripes and singing “o Jeremy Corbyn” link to m.youtube.com

But I don’t think he realises that he is a Tory enabler… And I mean red and blue Tory enabler. The man eat him for breakfast.

And a UK out of Europe with the Tories in power and a bunch of Henry 8th powers to recreate a British constitution in their image. That doesn’t bear thinking about. Not if they win the next general election. Not even if Labour win the next one and then the Tories get in the time after that.

England deserves better than that. Scotland needs better than that. We really do need to go from this monstrous mother of all parliaments and set up something that responds to the will of the people. Just watched Springsteen on Broadway… Hope we are coming to the end of our own dark chapter and that Scotland’s history, which is so amazing, evolves in a brighter way in the years ahead.

Merry X one and all…

Sorry for the long post… Chris, your work goes deep.

Sorry for typos my little helper has a bad habit of retyping words for me… Above, for Britney read Britnat … For man read MSM eating him for breakfast … Or maybe not…

I wish people would open their eyes and see that Corbyn is not progressive …..he is endorsing the status quo. His style of politics are not kinder, gentler or honest they are as cut throat, disingenuous and dishonest as all other Unionist parties at WM.

I do however hope that those Scots who were brainwashed into the notion that Corbyn was somehow different and decent are at last seeing that his blatant weakness and inability to promote a strong position on Brexit is a strong indication that he is actually no different to other Unionist politicians and that his so called decency does not extend to recognising and respecting how Scots voted in EU referendum.

Corbyn does not have the courage to admit he wants to leave the EU because , like May , he needs to hide behind the ‘will of the people’ to endorse this damaging policy.

Corbyn , like May, is same old same old.

Scotland can surely aspire to higher expectations than just accepting the status quo under WM rule with the likes of May , or whoever replaces her, or Corbyn.

Brexit has exposed the weakness of being a part of a (non) Union that has allowed democracy to be hijacked by one part of the (non) Union to the detriment of the other.

Corbyn , like May, endorses this as will all other Unionist leaders that will follow him and her within WM.

I choose not to endorse this as my future….I want better.

Hope everyone who reads and posts on here will have a happy Xmas with family and friends and will raise a glass to toast those who are no longer here.

Coco@12-38pm
For gawds sake gie us peace, man.

You and your sidekick, Rock, should maybe start your Xmas ‘leave’ early. You ain’t fooling anyone here.

2 cheeks oh the same arse!

As ever England will continue to vote for the devil it knows…anyone who votes for Labour in Scotland in the belief that some ‘socialist paradise’ is on offer from down south, really hasn’t been paying attention.

We told you all back in 2017…they are the Tories little helpers, and Tory and Devil are interchangeable terms.

As ever England will continue to vote for the devil it knows…anyone who votes for Labour in Scotland in the belief that some ‘socialist paradise’ is on offer from down south, really hasn’t been paying attention.

We told you all back in 2017…they are the Tories little helpers, and Tory and Devil are interchangeable terms…

Rockshit = Colinshit = Britshit.

K1 @ 13:39,

Some people’s accidental double posting is greatly preferable to other people’s single one when the latter is just another boring rehash of the same old weary theme. Not mentioning any names, but you all know to whom (plural) I refer…

@ Robert J Sutherland @ 1.56pm

Go on Robert…mention the name/s….save us all from paranoia Lol

The irony is that if Corbyn stood up with some courage, said “We’ll get a better deal or there’ll be no Brexit, THAT will be the choice”, and then had done the VONC, Labour would probably win a snap General Election.

As it is the guy is as weak as an over-stretched elastic gaiter. Boiing!

Alexander – you’re wasting your time. Your daily efforts to try and divide the YES movement will get you nowhere. Give it up. There’s no point. That is all.

Oh and Merry Christmas to you and all the guys n gals in the Brigade. Better luck next year.

Great Toon Chris but hiv U run oota Blue fur the deep blue sea .

Nice one Chris.

Craig Murray has a good article on who hates us.

link to craigmurray.org.uk

Clapper57 @ 2:03,

On mature reflection, har, har, I realise that judgement might be somewhat in the eyes of the beholder. Cap fits and all that…

Still, I rather had in mind the poster who is assiduously busy on the thread currently, and his faux-revolutionary pal with the personal raincloud who comes on shift later.

Let’s not forget the ‘nice wee sweetener’ we Scots were offered by JMcD when he ventured north recently, the £70 billion subsidy/grant/gift/loan/bribe, whatever you care to call it, which is how Labour operates and always has. Even at Council level, Labour will promise all sorts of goodies which it might deliver but which will turn out to be expensive but actually cheap, tacky and often temporary, but sufficient to vote-catch, or will not deliver and hope no die-hard Labourite will notice. I’ve been around a very long time and have seen it all.

Yesterday when I made one of my rare forays into a News Channel, I heard some man who looked about 40 blethering that we used to be ‘Great’ Britain before we ‘went into Europe’! Seriously? I doubt he was even born in 1973 when we joined the then Common Market, but I can assure him there was nothing ‘great’ about Britain in the 1960’s/70’s. Bedevilled by endless industrial action, some justified, some definitely not, a country still looking war-torn and worn out, uncompetitive and clinging to old fashioned Victorian work practices, encouraged by the unions. The Western Europeans, the Japanese and the Americans on the other hand were constantly modernising and forging ahead competitively, and, yes, as a result their workers were actually prospering. I recall some Dutch friends of my parents being horrified at the very low level of UK state pension when my father retired away back in 1975.

Coco having a meltdown again i see…oh dear, never mind, it will be pro indy coco again when the cystal meth wears off, and he thinks nobody noticed his SNP BAD rant.

What a wally !

Clapper57 @ 15:51,

Sorry, just to avoid any misunderstanding, I didn’t have you in mind at all. I have always found your posts worthy of attention, hence my previous response. So please keep on going, and be of good cheer…

=wide smile=

Brexit will only bring on a recession. To make any difference Westminster Unionists would have to change their policies. Leaving the EU will just make things worse.

Labour trying to go in with the DUP. Reactionary non representative bastards. They try to ignore the SNP – progressive and representative. Labour are total hypocrites.

jaykay royling in melt down on twitter, she just told the labour party and corbyn to do one.

she, and many like her are running out of options in scotland,

I am already seeing labour party members jumping ship to the snp because of jeremys article today.

@Clapper57
RJS didn’t mean you as he says. I’ve always thought you as sound as a bell.

@ Robert Sutherland

You’d rather see a double post from a boss-eyed hyperventilating rhesus macaque than single posts from certain others?

Are you drunk?

Corbyn: Brexit would go ahead even if Labour won snap election

link to theguardian.com

this is why ian smart and jk rowling are up in arms

@yesindyref2
“I hope they’re not 77th, I’d think they’d be way more competent.”

Ah but you see, I didn’t actually mention the 77th. I said the “Brigade” as in “Boys Brigade”. Apparently they have women too these days. 🙂

Dr Jim at 4.42

“the SNP who are the only people capable of making that happen – but concentrating on keeping the entire UK together and in the EU, while making every possible excuse to put off Indyref2.” Fixed that for you.

If Nicola succeeds in getting the “People’s Vote” on the EU, and then succeeds in helping persuade the UK to stay in the EU, please explain to me precisely how that has moved us closer to Independence

As Nicola lasciviously wrapped her arm around my hunchback in a way no one had ever done before, I knew from this day forward I would jump to her defence like a jack russell on amphetamine – embarrassing but reliable. I was in love and nobody could ruin it for me.

Reluctant Nationalist @ 16:39,

As it happens, that particular contributor was supportive of me when I was new on here and being attacked by a would-be bullying troll (happily now long gone). It was a kindness that I haven’t forgotten.

As I’ve got older and just a little wiser, I’ve begun to better appreciate the difference between the book and the cover. I happily recommend that understanding to you also.

The SNP is a brilliant political party with an incredibly broad and talented membership. All it lacks is a leader again who actually believes in Independence, rather than being the darling of the UK Establishment with a very cosy berth within the devolution settlement.

Clapper57 @ 16:52,

Not to worry. It can be hard sometimes to get over nuance in cold print.

Yes, these are troubling times indeed, and we are all in need of encouragement. One consolation FWIW is that the increasing direness of the situation seems to be increasingly unlocking people from previous rigid positions and opening them to the advantages of independence that we already recognise. Dammit, maybe even
Jakey! =laugh=

I feel we are getting close to the tipping point now, and believe if we have the courage to act while everything is still to play for, we’ll garner more than enough support to win through.

So relax, enjoy this brief respite over the Christmas break, and be refreshed and ready for the New Year. It’s surely gonna be a wild ride!

@Proud Cybernat
Ah, BB! All the same I think they’re way more competent as well 🙂

Lol, anyone who thinks that Nicola does not have Independence running through her veins or does not know exactly what she is doing, has not been paying attention.

I generally agree with Craig Murray; he is not often wrong.

But, if he is suggesting there is some reason, other than exhausting all avenues of co-operation in attempting to secure a less-damaging Brexit, for the SNP’s delay in calling Indyref2. I will disagree with him.

When the FM calls it, she will immediately be inundated with all kinds of personal abuse from the Unionists and their media shrills. I dare say, the good Colonel will, if necesssary, be brought back early from maternity leave, to parrot her call of: “All they care about is Independence,” and to insist the Unionists will boycott the referendum.

However, the FM will easily counter this with the evidence of how she tried absolutely everything to soften the Brexit blow, but, every time she tried to do this, she was either ignored of rebuffed. By doing this, she has, reagardless of media spin and lies, taken that argument out of the equation.

The Unionists will this time, from a much weaker base, need to demonstrate that we are Better Together – or, as I call this approach: Mission Impossible.

Sorry Craig Murray. I think the FM knows exactly what she needs before firing IR2 start gun. It’s not (quite) in place yet so she keeps her cards (rightly) close to her chest. But I really don’t think it will be too long to go by the simple virtue that Theresa May is herself running out of time for anything else other than a really sore arse Brexit to happen.

Meanwhile, like the evil, vile ScotNats that we are, we present on SocMed all manner of scenarios that would be said trigger and how the FM might proceed to recover our Statehood. Keeps the BritNat buggers guessing.

@ Dr Jim

We’ll never get independence if the SNP or others never stand for independence.

It’s always possible Craig Murray’s playing Devil’s Advocate, in which case he just caught out one of satan’s little helpers.

@ Dr Jim

The mandate is for the Scottish Parliament to hold an indyref, not the FM.

A Green MSP could raise an SP motion for indyref2 instead of just moaning about the SNP not having done so.

“ on the money” Proud cybernat @ 0548 pm . In our wonderful FM we place our trust. Head & shoulders above any other “ so called” politician in the “ so called” U.K. Patience is a virtue and I am so impressed with her “ endless patience” as she rightly waits until everything is in place and Brexit is certain. ( the mandate for the sovereign people of Scotland’s decision will be enacted, as promised, by whatever method(s) is required) . The Scottish people and our legal representatives will decide . Our FM most certainly will never let her country down .

Lol, some people on here don’t half talk some shit. You know who you are. What, you think we can’t see you.

Ehh I didn’t mean you Dr Jim!

Gary45% @ 4.09 pm

Bexit,= Scots meaning ‘Clusterbourach’ 🙂

I think it was either Dr Philippa Whitford MP or Joanna Cherry QC MP who gave us our lovely new word =)

REPUBLICOF SCOTLAND

Once knew a socialist republican /similar. Over time he recognised he couldn’t get voted in as a councillor. He got a suit tidied up his beard said the right labour type things and joined the labour party. Within a few years his troops out of ulster utterances became more Blairite and he got elected as a councillor in a big city in the West of Scotland.

As for Scotland he couldnae care one jot.

In over 300 years of this despicable union only one party has brought us very close to independence – yes the SNP. No other party or person has come even close. Lay off the SNP. GET A GRIP.

I say that and I am not a member. It’s just common sense.

Britnats like Colinshit are just trying the old British empire trick of divide and conquer. I have nothing but contempt for these Britnats who post on Wings. They are scum.

Merry Xmas to all ( but not the scum).

@Craig Murray

nicola is proposing the most popular solution to brexit with the people of scotland, she is safe to do so since sm/cu membership will never be agreed by treeza or corbyn. neither will they agree to stop brexit or a PV

it may hack of many of the 45% who are itching for indyref2, but her stance appeals to many of the 55% and it is winning us converts, a trickle at the moment but i believe we are reaching tipping point and we will see many cross the floor

the reason we need to do this is because we are still sitting at 45-47%

if we we had 60-70% support for yes during the last 2 years we would have been having very different conversations on wos

as we move forward, with whatever tactic nicola decides to pursue, if she has a clear majority for yes in the polls of 60/70%, it will make her job a lot easier.

her support for the PV and sm/cu will deliver neither. but it will deliver the 60/70% we need to win indyref2

Dr Jim says:
22 December, 2018 at 4:58 pm
@Craig Murray

Instead of me explaining to you why don’t you explain how you propose moving Independence forward with whatever your plan is without the SNP or am I missing some other political party with that agenda in Scotland.

The 6 Parliamentarians who took a case to the ECJ, repulsing an intervention from the UK’s Supreme Court along the way, established that Article 50 could be withdrawn by the sovereign entity which lodged it were a cross party group who pursued a matter of legal principle.

They Established Article 50 was a sovereign prerogative, which creates a benchmark against which UK Parliamentary Sovereignty can be Tested against Scottish Constitutional Sovereignty and the Claim of Right to establish whether Theresa May’s Article 50 was Ultra Viraes and contrary to Scotland’s Constitutional will, and/or whether Scotland could cite its Constitutional Sovereignty and the 2016 democratic majority to Remain in the EU as justifiable grounds for Scotland to unilaterally revoke Article 50 insofar as it related to Scotland.

Such action is mandated by Scotland’s Sovereign Remain majority, irrespective of whoever it is might cite that mandate in the European Court.

It need not be a SNP sponsored venture. Scotland would only need its own Gina Millar type of courageous enabler. However, it begs two mighty important questions about the SNP, firstly why they are (so far) resisting all pressures to stand up for Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty, and why aren’t they sponsoring a whole salvo of legal challenges from the same stable as the Article 50 Test Case designed to ring fence Scotland’s sovereignty as a Scottish Backstop for Brexit, and establish Scotland’s Government as a sovereign interlocutor with Legal Personality which can begin parallel negations and consultations with Europe about Scotland’s options. Why are having to drag the SNP kicking and screaming to do this??? They should be up front leading the damn charge!

Brexit threw down a Constitutional gauntlet about “UK” Parliamentary Sovereignty, and so far NOBODY, nobody that is except the 6 Scottish parliamentarians, have picked up the gauntlet and made ANY case at all for defending Scotland’s sovereignty. Forget fkn devolved niceties and quarrels over a UK Continuity Bill. Nail our colours to Sovereignty and TELL Westminster they’re not get our powers because they are staying where they belong in Europe. If you’re worried about devolution, guess what, you’ve already rolled over and conceded sovereignty.

Rather than condemning the frustrations of increasingly exasperated Independence Supporters both outside and inside the SNP, why not at least make the attempt to address these frustrations and acutely relevant concerns with something more substantial than a character reference about how great a politician Nicola Sturgeon is. Don’t tell me. Show me.

You might very well believe that Nicola has constructed an intricate spiders web of Constitutional trip wires and bear traps which Westminster cannot possibly negotiate, I surely hope you’re right, but there are less than 100 days to extricate Scotland from this diabolical catastrophe of Brexit, and in those 100 days, at the very, very, minimum, we NEED to secure legal personality just so we can bloody talk to Europe and formalise our options.

Why on Earth we are wasting time on a people’s vote which might conceivably put at risk Scotland’s democratic Remain majority of 2016 is completely beyond me. But hey, go ahead, and devote your surplus energies to this questionable undertaking if you must. But please, for the love of Scotland, you MUST get these Constitutional barbs and test cases heading to the ECJ to disrupt the progress of Brexit before all hope is lost for keeping Scotland in Europe and repulsing the attempted colonial subjugation of Scotland by an Ultra Viraes Westminster regime.

That’s how I would “move Independence forward” Dr Jim.

Revoke Article 50 as an act of National self defence that is lawful, it’s mandated, it’s democratic, it’s constitutional, and our country is greatly imperilled if we simply stand by mute and inactive, and allow Brexit to happen.

There are 97 days. 97 DAYS.

Shitting yourself? Godammed right I’m shitting myself. There’s a big express train barrelling towards us and we’re having a picnic on the track eating cucumber sandwiches and wondering if there will be a war with Hitler, a second EU referendum.

You want more details? You want certainty? Get our Constitutional Sovereignty house in order, and we can all say with certainty that Scotland will remain in Europe.

The time for talking has run out. Don’t sit here second guessing whether Corbyn is complicit with a Hard Brexit happening, because I hate to point out such a pitfall in strategy but the SNP’s enigmatic lack of initiative is hardly safe from some painfully similar accusations itself.

@Colin Alexander

The Greens? You do enjoy having a laugh eh

Y’see every time people like you and these *others* whoever they are run down or speak ill of the FM you do the whole of the SNP and the YES movement a disservice but you know that and just like Craig Murray that’s why you do it

If as Craig Murray suggests but didn’t choose to answer, the SNP are a broad and talented political party why then do they keep the FM in post and if the SNP are such a broad and talented party they did not choose Craig Murray as a candidate for the SNP

So on the one hand you and these others say the SNP are just fine and dandy and clever and talented but on the other hand they’re not smart enough to know that the FM isn’t a good enough a leader, I mean really which is it or could it possibly be that you and these *others* have your own problems with a woman leader or possibly you might have not been chosen by her to be a part of the talented and broad SNP making some of these *others* feel inadequate in some way so much so as to hold a wee personal grudge and you can’t stop yourselves scribbling crap about a female politician of 30 years experience who could have any job she chose but chooses FM of Scotland on less money than she could earn anywhere else should she choose to do so

There are mugs out there who will fall for this drivel either because they just don’t get enough truth to know the difference or just because they want to, and I know you see it as your wee mission in life to serve in the capacity of the *down with Sturgeon* brigade but here on WOS it won’t work and now in the wider debate just like Theresa May and Corbyn your deceptions are being seen through more and more and in the end you and these *others* are being seen as more ridiculous by the day

There’s no need to answer me because I’ve taken up enough of my time bothering with you and your *others* you have nothing to sell here and no one to sell it to so do yourself and the others on WOS a favour and go away and project your thoughts at folk who care because nobody on here does, you’re not even reaching the level of irritation now and that’s not serving your prime function at all

@Breeks

Then do it Breeks go for your life why not, it only took the SNP 80 years to get where they are so I’ll look forward with great interest to seeing the queue form up behind anyone who’s going forward with whatever idea this is or are we having another *others* moment

OT somewhat @ LEGERWOOD on the previous thread , Thanks for the link to THOUGHT CONTROL SCOTLAND John Robertson , I would ask any winger who is feeling a bit dreich or doubting to take a look at prof Robertson’s blog he explainerises what may be happening with the divide and conquer methodology so beloved of our imperial maisters.

Please independenistas get this blog spread far and wide to bring us all together again and stop the spooks and establishment from causing any fractures , we have to stand firm and united

Alex Salmond made a mistake which everybody is sorry for including him
Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t want to make a mistake because there’s only going to be one shot and if we miss it’s the end of Scotland there’ll be no third go, we will be reduced to less than a region forever and Tories and Labour and Lib Dems will make sure of it then you’ll see the Ulsterisation of Scotland and don’t think for one nano second those people are not there, they are, in numbers, and no moderate wants that day to come even though the UK government would love it, life would be a lot easier for them if they had some violence to react to

No constitutional questions then

Everybody’s in a hurry, I’m in a hurry but I’m not the FM so I don’t know anything, she does, the time to complain is when a politician doesn’t do what they say not when you think they’re not thinking what you’re thinking

Especially when you don’t have all the information to think about

I’m not here to argue with folk because there’s no point, nobody wins an online argument about other peoples points of view because the real people with the real information don’t carry out real politics in the public gaze

The internet is a moaning forum or a comedic excercise but what it’s most certainly not is a method of resolution it’s a stabbercise of words symbolising nothing but a get it off your chest airing

Meaningless smoke

Basically speaking, the People’s Vote is splitting the Tories and Labour from arse to tit elbow.

Don’t worry about RN, Robert J, he just needed to get me back for yesterday’s comment.

Funnily enough all on the back of him claiming that 2017 ge loss of SNP MP’s was down to ‘immigration’, absolutely full on lying piece of skull numbing pish of course, but he couldn’t come back and admit he was completely wrong on that front and resorted to childish rhetoric, which he thinks is ‘clever’ and ‘witty’…the reality being he’s such a a god awful tit who just resorted to attempting to gain support from you in attacking me ‘personally’…because he’s nothing to say on the back of making a cunt of himself on here.

🙂

Have a lovely xmas Robert.

Nicola and Jeremy, Saint Theresa’s Little Helpers.

Rock (8th December – “The Stoned Roses”):

“It was the ultimate in stupidity and gutlessness for Nicola to stand “shoulder to shoulder” with “Tory scum” Saint Theresa and the “ghastly” Boris Johnson as they declared war on Russia after a false flag operation.

She had no reason to open her mouth – she should have dismissed it as a reserved matter. That would have shut up the unionists. Instead she is now hostage to what she said.

Nicola has fully backed the dishonest unionist civil servant trying to destroy Alex Salmond.

The British Establishment has ZERO fear of Nicola but it is terrified of Alex Salmond.”

Rock says:
22 December, 2018 at 8:39 pm

Like Nicola, Jeremy will strike at the right moment – in 2640 AD.

Both trying to outdo Methuselah!

In case you haven’t heard it.

Joanna Cherry wishing Rees Mogg the season’s best!

link to twitter.com

He’ll be hoping the wee reesmoggs have clubbed together for an extra-underwear present this year.

2640 extra pairs of pants.

To be precise

Dr Jim says:
22 December, 2018 at 7:48 pm

“Alex Salmond made a mistake which everybody is sorry for including him”

That is the biggest FAKE NEWS of the year.

One_Scot says:
22 December, 2018 at 5:25 pm

“Lol, anyone who thinks that Nicola does not have Independence running through her veins or does not know exactly what she is doing, has not been paying attention.”

Proud Cybernat says:
22 December, 2018 at 5:48 pm

“Sorry Craig Murray. I think the FM knows exactly what she needs before firing IR2 start gun.”

Arthur Thomson says:
22 December, 2018 at 6:14 pm

“Nicola Sturgeon has played a binder in representing Scotland and the independence movement.”

Capella says:
22 December, 2018 at 6:36 pm

“Nicola Sturgeon is a brilliant leader of the SNP and has been remarkably sure footed throughout the chaos that has engulfed the UK.”

Liz g says:
22 December, 2018 at 7:30 pm

“Craig Murray
I thought it was a very good “political “ move for Nicola to get behind a people’s vote.”

If blind faith in religion is bad, blind faith in politicians is worse.

No politician in Scotland has ever blown it as big time as Nicola did.

Does a single poster here have the guts to predict when the next referendum will be held, this side of 2640 AD?

For the record, in my humble opinion, Craig Murray is a typical Liberal Democrat opportunist who was bosom pals at the height of the independence referendum campaign with the Right (Dis)Honourable Alistair Carmichael, MP.

Rock (13th December 2017 – “From the archives #2”):

“I do not for one moment doubt Nicola’s commitment to Scottish independence. I only wished she had not trained as a lawyer.”

Coco been using the Jackie Baillie calculator again…

……
“As a result lost nearly half the MPs in 2017”
……

35 is also, by your thinking, also nearly half of 56 is it ?

Oh dear, coco, you are utterly tragic.

Must try harder, kiddo.

doug_bryce says:
22 December, 2018 at 7:52 pm

“Aye : Nicola backing peoples vote is a good idea.”

If Scotland only narrowly wins independence in 2640 AD, there will be a “peoples vote” a couple of years later which might reverse the result.

Don’t say you weren’t warned folks.

Those calling or supporting a “peoples vote” are the enemies of democracy.

Colin Alexander says:
22 December, 2018 at 9:08 pm

“Biggest mistake: trying to do things the Westminster way, like Keir Hardie and Labour. Assimilated.
Becoming part of the UK Establishment they were supposed to destroy.”

Rock (25th January – “By hook or by Cook”):

“The British Establishment makes sure that anyone who goes to Westminster gets corrupted.

56 SNP MPs achieved as much for Scotland as 6 would have: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I would prefer that all of them are called back or lose their seats before they have been bought off.”

geeo

I don’t know if you don’t understand the process or are just being deliberately nasty.
I was nominated in 13 constituencies, before the 2015 election. I was knocked back once, by the party hierarchy. The 2015 election followed the 2014 referendum so quickly that many including me were still going through the party candidate approval process while the constituencies were selecting. I was not “knocked back” in any constituency, I was refused central approval as a candidate.

The arseholes can’t help themselves because they’ve got NUTHIN so the full on we hate comes spitting out because they’re found out to be charlatons and mixers with only one agenda, HATE

Tory Labour losers just doing their job of sewing hatred full of the FM should do this the FM should do that, the SNP are rubbish, the best though is when they start the mind reading trick to tell us all what the FM is thinking God almighty on a stick these folk are so stupid they use the same tactics they use on their own supporters to get them to vote for them then bring those tactics to WOS to thick to realise everybody on WOS doesn’t vote for these parties because they see through what they are

I see the same Trolls day after day following the FM practically gasping for air to try and find nasty things to say in the hope of putting off SNP voters

Don’t you people know by now it won’t work, and you know why because previous generations died very young and didn’t have the facility the internet allows for us old codgers who now live longer to tell younger folk the truth and history about their beloved Labour party and their adored Tories

And you know what people like me intend to live a long time yet and we’ll keep right on reminding them of the crimes of these parties, so you’re ontae plums as they say as well as the media types who prop you up, us oldies have been aware of them for Yonks we know who they are and we’ll keep right on keeping on and there’s nuthin numpties like you people can do to stop us

Now I’m off to have a happy Christmas with my kids and grandkids who are all SNP members, see we’re in the schools and everything….maddening isn’t it knowing that the era of Labour in Scotland is over for good for at least the next 30 years and it’s all down to old grandads and grandmoms like me because our kids know we wouldn’t lie to them because we know, we were there, we saw it, we lived it

robertknight says:
22 December, 2018 at 7:19 pm

“Québec made a huge mistake with their IndyRef2 and where now the prospect of an independent Québec?”

Establishment lawyer Nicola is playing it very safely by delaying the next independence referendum to 2640 AD.

But I am a bit afraid that if there is only a narrow Yes win, there will be a “peoples vote” in 2642 AD which might reverse the YES result in 2640 AD.

I’m glad I’m no political strategist but I’m quite comfortable with what the SNP are doing so far. There is much more absurdity to come before the SNP play their final card. They are doing themselves no harm just now. Had we a fair media, I believe their actions would put YESon 60%.

Ive been in disagreement with SNP over a fair few things but this isn’t one of them.

The U.K. establishment parties need to firmly nail their colours to the mast (and that IS starting to happen) before puts its cards in the table.

Excellent Rock.

Go fetch your shameful ball. Good boy!