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The smell of fear

Posted on February 13, 2017 by

The ultra-hardcore Unionist community – or the Yoons, as they’re better known – are in a pretty much permanent state of wild and terrified rage, but it’s been turned up to 11 for most of this year. Constantly proclaiming that the people of Scotland don’t want independence, for some reason they’re absolutely petrified of putting that to the test.


And it’s sending them to some dark places.

Now, obviously one can dismiss talk of hanging the SNP for treason as exaggerated polemic, although I’ve personally seen people in recent days talk apparently seriously of doing me severe physical harm, and attempt to find my address to that end.








But let’s leave all that to one side. The current hot topic in the Yoonitariat is that if the Scottish Government can’t be stopped from holding another indyref in the wake of Brexit, then it should at least be fixed in numerous ways to stop them from winning it.

One of the most popular is to impose a victory threshold of more than 50%.


Bids so far set the winning line as high as 67%.


Another top wheeze is to exclude EU nationals (who might reasonably be expected to heavily favour a Yes this time round) from the vote:


But the nuclear option, and the one that’s currently finding the most favour within the raging-Yoon community, is to simply abolish the Scottish Parliament altogether.










Now, it would be tempting and easy to dismiss these people as a random bunch of demented social-media loon-jobs, but while it’s certainly true that they’re demented loon-jobs, they’re demented loon-jobs with an alarmingly prominent voice.

Two of those we’ve listed above – Jill “Historywoman” Stephenson and Neil Lovatt – are heavily involved with the lavishly-funded nutter collective Scotland In Union, whose Chief Executive is the former Scottish Labour MSP Graeme Pearson and whose activities are regularly featured and quoted in the press, particularly the Times.


Stephenson – a deranged, abusive, perma-ranting maniac who called SNP MP Mhairi Black a “foul-mouthed little slut” and a “disgusting bitch” and has threatened a “civil war”, to name just a few of her more restrained outbursts  – was described by the newspaper as “one of the most compelling voices in support of the Union”.







As recently as this month she became a columnist for The Scotsman as part of its “Scotsman 200” panel, ironically complaining about the tone of political debate.


(When we raised a quizzical eyebrow about the Scotsman column, the dying paper’s Westminster correspondent told us “it’s a forum open to readers of all backgrounds. We’re not treating her one way or the other.”)

In the absence of a formal campaign group, Scotland In Union is the de facto public voice of Unionism, and is treated as such by the Scottish media. That means that the likes of Stephenson, Lovatt and the totally-off-the-scale-bonkers Tom “SEEDS OF TYRANNY” Gallagher are, with the assistance of the press, shaping the debate.


There was a time when we’d have been at least a bit surprised at a former Scottish Labour MSP (and ex-policeman) being willing to front such a group, or for relatively respectable broadsheet newspapers – not just gutter trash like the Daily Express – to relentlessly promote it. But so crazed with fear have the forces of the Union become that all bets are off.

It should be noted that all of this has taken place against a backdrop of polls still showing a narrow majority of Scots in favour of staying in the UK. God knows where these people will stop if independence ever takes a sustained lead.

If it ends in blood, as the EU referendum did after years of politicians and the media stoking up hostility towards foreigners, it’ll be difficult to summon up much surprise.


No lessons seem to have been learned – at least, no good ones.


We had a thankfully-small taste of Unionist violence in the indyref. Fortunately, Yes supporters didn’t rise to the provocation, and the reason for that may be the same one driving the constant ramping-up of No-campaign rhetoric that we’ve documented in this piece – the tide of history is on the side of independence.

When you’re confident you’re going to win democratically and peacefully, you have no need to try to rig the ballot with crooked rules, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people or intimidate your opponents. It’s not the Yes side that demonstrably fears the voice of the people with a growing shrillness and panic.


We’re in no rush. But we see why some people feel it might be an idea to get indyref2 done and dusted before the sort of lunatics created, inflamed and then published by our irresponsible press get any angrier.

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  1. David says:

    The Brit Establishment have killed for less than the price of what it will cost them to lose Scotland.

    If Scotland was to get a positive result on another Indy ref then the intelligence community will put into action their thugs and rabble rousers and create as much public disruption as possible.

    You are looking at possible NI situation in the 70’s and 80’s with the difference being that the only pushing will be done from the Unionist side.

  2. bobajock says:

    The yOOn coommentary, at least we know we will win the next referendum.

    Fear on a grand scale, all the ‘lead’ idiots squawking. But we must let them go, back to the land of the free, Wangland.

  3. Struan says:

    In all honesty in my early 20’s I’d have considered myself as extreme republican nationalist. I have grown in mind somewhat by then & grown up but seeing these people laying down threats certainly makes my blood boil & their pushing old buttons.

    Our movement is winning without the need for petty threats & I’m proud of all yessers onwards comrades.

  4. thingy says:

    They reek of it. ‘Tis a fragrance to delight the olfactory senses. 🙂

  5. Robert Kerr says:

    Project fear mk2

    Fear of physical abuse and possible death?

    Surely not? Do I use a moniker from now on?

    Madness stalks the Yoonery.

  6. Sinky says:

    History Woman ranting in Edinburgh Evening News letters pages to-day with her usual anti SNP / indy Ref nonsence.

  7. Big Jock says:

    Truly horrifying Stu. George Square was mild compared to these Ultra Brits. Self reflection is not their strong point. We are a peaceful movement, and they are an angry mob akin to certain southern states in the US.

    It’s the mock outrage that baffles me. They are the people they describe in their rants not us.

  8. Scott Borthwick says:

    I love the smell of fear in the morning.

  9. JP says:

    Scotland In Union are sending out survey monkey polls to businesses, so expect to see ‘businesses don’t want another indyref’ press release for the media to lap up.

    For your info here’s what the email says:

    We’re running a survey and would love your input. Please let us know what you think below. Thanks for participating!

    Do you feel that the threat of another Independence Referendum is harming the economy?


    Please do not forward this email as its survey link is unique to you.
    Unsubscribe from this list

    Powered by [SurveyMonkey logo]

  10. desimond says:

    Okay, Ive clicked the Stopwatch…lets see how long before the media report “Exiled Overlord calls his cultists to fise up in force!” headlines!

    Cult Fuckwits did make me laugh though….sounds like a Rich Hall character describing US politics

  11. galamcennalath says:

    I note one of the headlines is, “Is the nationalist camp in Scotland really creating an atmosphere of intimidation against opponents of independence?

    Simple answer, no there is very little evidence of this, not the Scottish nationalists.

    However, “Is the nationalist camp in Scotland really creating an atmosphere of intimidation against advocates of independence?

    YES, the British nationalists seem willing to stoop to any depths in their increasingly panicked state.

  12. Doug Daniel says:

    David – that comment really doesn’t help matters. The likes of Jill Stephenson desperately want people to think independence will lead to violence in the streets and so on so that they shy away from backing it, so talking about the secret services being made to kill people etc is counter-productive.

  13. brobb says:

    I sincerely hope you have reported the threatening posts to the police, these are appalling.

  14. Luigi says:

    I’ve always maintained that, as a movement, all we need to do is stay calm and keep going. The dark forces of unionism will eventually destroy themselves. As Macart says: “Let Westminster be Westminster”, and watch them seriously self-harm their yoon cause. They have no answer for a country that refuses to go back in the box.

    Rev, keep doing your stuff (but stay safe). They are cracking big time. 🙂

    I do fear that things may turn nasty. Emotions are running high on both sides. I don’t want a civil war, but the yoons should be aware that we are too far down the road now. They should know by now that we aint going away – ever. And we fight until we win. Things will never return to the way they were.

    History Woman (who seems to tweet like Spanner) appears to be in classic denial mode (with a generous helping of cognitive dissonance thrown in). History is in the making right in front of her nose, yet she wants no part of it, because she is a hard-boiled yoon. What an awful place to be. How sad. My heart bleeds. 🙂

  15. Calum Mckay says:

    Very depressing, but those two words sum unionism up.

    Mhari Black already has her re-election leaflets written for her by the people who seek to abuse her and unbelievably abuse Mhari’s electorate.

    Basically unionists are petrified, they know their time has come.

    Over the next few months we will see those labour voters and activists who held on to labour out of hope move to the SNP in numbers, the math is with us!

  16. Grouse Beater says:

    A timely topic

    Unionists are becoming strident and frantic in their efforts to block a second referendum, and close down the mechanisms of democratic progress in Scotland.

    It’s fascism in all but blackshirt salutes.

    My observations of Chief Harpy History Woman are recently updated. For a woman who claims her history specialism is the Third Reich she sure as hell espouses Nazi solutions:

    You can read the first two chapters and then the last if in a hurry.

  17. Joemcg says:

    I reported that pensioner hard man William Neish on Facebook but they came back and said he did not break any community rules! WTF?? The guy still thinks he’s fighting WW2. Total loon ball.

  18. Greannach says:

    Vodka Jill needs to reduce her consumption drastically by the look of some of her utterances. She and her familiars seem to be grasping on to the old habit so beloved of certain Central and Eastern European states: when democracy isn’t going their way, they want to shut it down.

  19. 1971Thistle says:

    Intrigued to see Dunc’s name feature in the ‘Shut ’em down’ discussions. Did he participate?

  20. Derick Tulloch says:

    I hope you have reported every one of these lunatics to the police.

  21. harry mcaye says:

    There really are some absolute scumbags on the Unionist side. We all know about Mad Jill but I notice the last comment from someone calling himself Reynard. I remember there was a rabid No voter of the same name on the Pie and Bovril football forum. He was a St Mirren fan. Ian Smart is a St Mirren fan. Could it be an alias? Maybe, maybe not but I do take a ridiculous amount of pleasure in seeing them rooted to the bottom of the First Division and heading to the seaside leagues.

    Incidentally, I see The National continues to be without a competent proof reader. Front page today – “Indyref New in August 2018?” Jeezo!

  22. paul gerard mccormack says:

    This is all simply criminal and as such these people should be reported to the relevant authorities, surely? they’ll only get away with it continually, because they can.

  23. Scott Borthwick says:

    I do find it particularly odd that Jill Stephenson, professor of modern German history and author of several works on the Nazis, has no problem with fantasising about the suppression of democracy. How is it that she can clearly see a fascist tendency in the Scottish Government but not in the UK Government (or in herself?)

    I’m starting to think she genuinely believes she’s part of the Resistance. God help us all.

  24. Walter Scott says:

    There’s an anger out there. Even after they won the referendum they’ve never stopped being utterly furious. The online abuse by these scotch Trumpists would appear to threaten murder. JK Rowling would be squealing to the Daily Mail & the BBC if this stuff had been directed at her. Tthe baffling thing is, why do labour politicians & academics all sound like paid up members of the UDA?

  25. Dan Huil says:

    Unpleasant as the rabid britnat ranting is I do find it encouraging to see, in that it’s positive proof that britnats are bricking it big-time.

    It’s also good to see the Rev is keeping an eye on these britnat outbrusts and he has them all online for us to use whenever a britnat bleats about nasty Nats.

  26. call me dave says:

    All going along nicely then!! 🙂

    Here’s the last section of Torrance’s latest rant in the Herald today about a possible Indy 2.

    What of Unionist tactics beyond timing? Everyone I’ve spoken to expects a second independence referendum to be much nastier than the first, indeed Scottish Secretary David Mundell and Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson have already begun framing it in those terms, the former warning it would “set Scot against Scot” and the latter as another “fratricidal conflict”.

    This seems reasonable. Just imagine if the European referendum was re-run – it’d be far from sweetness and light.

    It’s also clear there would be no umbrella Unionist group like last time, no Better Together Mark II, but rather distinct Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat campaigns. Last November Ruth Davidson said she would neither put herself forward, nor did she think it “appropriate for any party leader to lead the Union case”.

    The preference would be for what one senior figure calls “non-Conservative Unionists” to make the case. Quite who that would be is anyone’s guess.

    Today at the London School of Economics Ruth Davidson will outline a “fresh” case for the Anglo-Scottish Union in the wake of the Brexit vote, although in a referendum context it would likely emphasise, as before, economic risk, focusing relentlessly upon currency and trade.

    Above all, Unionists would depict independence as creating even more instability in a big, bad world; in other words, they’ll throw Nationalist critiques of Brexit back at them.

    There are several problems with this, not least the fact that balance-sheet arguments may no longer carry the weight they once did, and also the fact that given the Scottish Conservatives have made opposition to another independence referendum their raison d’etre since 2015, it’ll look a bit odd for the British Tories and “UK Government in Scotland” (as it’s now branded) to work with the SNP in making it happen.

    But all that’s in the future. If a second independence referendum is about to become a reality, then the “essential ingredient”, as the former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau used to say, will be timing.

    He seems a bit scared!

    You can go ‘incognito’ on google chrome and read the Herald articles.

  27. Richardinho says:

    A few nutters is not surprising. What is troubling is that no one on the mainstream side of unionism – the Conservative Party, the Labour party etc etc – bothers to condemn these nutters.

  28. David MacGille-Mhuire says:

    Trust Police Scotland are monitoring them re these incitements to violence.

  29. Ian says:

    It’s all they have. They prefer their deluded imperial thoughts and living in a decrepit has-been nation to creating and living in a modern and dynamic country. Sad people.

  30. liz says:

    They are desperate to turn us into NI, so Holyrood will be shut down as ‘a matter of security’.

    Just read a terrifying blog about the use of psychology to influence voting.

    Project Fear 1 dipped it’s toe into that last time and I expect it to be ramped up for indy ref 2.

    What is wrong with these people, they live in a permanent state of anxiety?

  31. Paula Rose says:

    There were 33 people at the Scotland in Union Christmas party.

  32. heedtracker says:

    David says:

    “You are looking at possible NI situation in the 70’s and 80’s with the difference being that the only pushing will be done from the Unionist side.”

    That’s no different from any and all Scotland in Union threats of violence. Really sleazy.

    Stay safe Stu.

  33. Dan Huil says:

    “…another “fratricidal conflict” – Davidson

    “…seems reasonable” – Torrance.

  34. dakk says:

    Great journalism.

    Very scary people,but no surprise to see their true Brit colours.

    You don’t colonise 2/3 of the globe without having an ample reservoir of vicious thugs to call on.It’s in their BritNat genes.

    History woman certainly looks the part.Is’nt she a John Hurt doppelganger ?

    The thing is when the Britnat Mair murdered Jo Cox,I thought that would shame enough of the slightly more civilized of the Britnats to ensure a Remain vote.

    The fact that act did not deter the 52% Leavers tells you something.Not everything,but it is definitely significant in my opinion.

    No joke.Be careful Stuart.

  35. supporter says:

    And the interesting thing is that many leading members of Scotland in Union are English or other foreigners.

    History woman is an American whose life prior to retiring was spent researching the Nazi phenomenon. Lovatt is English supposedly employed in a Scottish Insurance company at a high level but is never off the internet. So I suppose his job really is to run a team of tweeters.

  36. John H. says:

    Surely anyone who encourages violence should be investigated by the police. How does Historywoman get away with it. Is she being protected?

    Things are getting even worse south of the border. For example Nick Ferrari was foaming at the mouth this morning on his show (LBC) because people were expressing opinions not to his liking at the BAFTA awards. It seems that only right wing opinions are allowed in Brexit Britain.

    We really do have to get away from these people as soon as possible, or I fear our country might become infected too to the same degree.

  37. Swami Backverandah says:

    August/Sept 2018?

    What will be served up this time?
    A Royal wedding, or perhaps a Royal funeral.
    Maybe another Royal baby. Or two.

    An abdication? A coronation?

    What dead cat will be flung this time round?

  38. JLT says:

    We’re always going to have this lunatic fringe – no matter what the subject matter is. It could be football, politics or religion. You are always going to have the fundamentalists who believe that severe action might be needed when the vast majority of people don’t quite follow an ideology to its most possible (and usually extreme) conclusion. For the far far majority of them, they are all mouth. To ask them to carry out an act of violence probably makes them quake in fear of the possible repercussions …and part of that reason is not time in the jail. For the more brain-dead who spout violence, they know that pushing it too far, could lead to a chap on their own doorsteps, and it might not be the police. Nobody wants a visit from strangers that could endanger one’s family.

    Now, fair do’s, the Yoons got away with it in George Square due to the numbers on them on the evening of the 2014 Referendum Result, but in all reality, unless they are going to organise a mass-riot on line, they won’t do anything ‘locally’ if it’s only them and their pal. The repercussions to them could be very severe if they push it too far.

    Even when I have canvassed at our street stall, you’ll get the odd mouthy idiot, but they never do anything once you ignore them. They’ll wander off and flick the vickies once they are about 50 metres away. They never turn up later with a wee posse to intimidate a group of indy supporters (especially if there are kids there) because they know deep down that if recognised (and known), they’ll get a chap on the door later that day …and what goes around, comes around.

    So, no …I don’t walk in fear. I have mates who are unionist and don’t like Nicola or the SNP. That’s fine – that is their choice. At the same time, they know my position, but the overall fact is, I’m not in danger from them. Sure if Scotland becomes independent, they might be pissed off at me, but they won’t do anything about it. They’ll in the end, grudgingly acknowledge the result, while the realists among them, will also acknowledge that they will probably be the last generation of Unionists in Scotland.

    But one thing – you take care down there Stuart. There is a real problem there. Your living in a country that does not understand Scotland, nor does it want to. Instead, many down there see you as the enemy attacking the British State (…and therefore, England). Just stay on your toes, make sure you have a bright spotlight out the front and back doors, and possibly have a camera to record all activities on your doorstep. It’s one thing having the odd nutter in Scotland because there is enough of us to warn them to back down, but there are not enough of us in Bath to protect you. Just keep the police notified when such threats are posted on-line. At least for these folk, the chap on the door will be the police.

  39. Dr Jim says:

    The Brits are only doing what the Brits have always done to every country they’ve had any connection with

    When their version of diplomacy fails next come the threats, when the threats fail the punitive action kicks in, when all of the above is tried and lost by the Brits as in every country who has escaped from the UK, next comes the outright violence which they always always blame on the opposite side and then when they see even that isn’t working they go back to option 1 the British perversion of diplomacy

    And claim international success for a peace process
    Ask the Irish, or well, anybody really

  40. BBC Scotland Tells Lies says:

    From the Scotsman comments yesterday on an Alex Salmond piece about Indy:

    “realist scotsman”
    12:23 AM on 13/02/2017

    Can’t someone just shoot these idiots.

  41. Thomas Valentine says:

    There’s an office block on Inchinan Road in Paisley next to the White Cart Water housing a part of the police that monitors hate groups. I think Scotland in Union easily made it on their list. Sgt McPhail will be back round Staple buying more filing cabinets. Remember to get the dayglo post-its this time.

  42. galamcennalath says:

    Perhaps moderate Unionists should consider this – these Uber Yoons are becoming the online face of Unionist, are the moderates sure they want to be tarnished by them?

    Perhaps the Uber Yoons have genuinely lost the plot through a crazed mist, or perhaps it’s part of some plan to make the very idea of another Indy debate look unpalatable.

    Either way, I think it may be time for the moderates to rein in the nutters.

  43. BBC Scotland Tells Lies says:

    I don’t do twitter or facebook but i thought that the police were meant to come down heavy on threats to life and incitement to violence???

    I hope you have highlighted these threats to the police Rev.

    True saying:

    Knowledge is Power
    Unity is Strength

    Here’s hoping Nicola announces the date of IndyRef2 at the SNP Spring Conference in Aberdeen in March.

  44. Niall says:

    The more we see of this, the more the Yes side looks like the side for reasonable grown-ups, in addition to being the most status quo. If I was a non-extremist No voter I would be watching Scotland in Union with horror.

  45. Dorothy Devine says:

    Shocking , utterly shocking and our lovely media continue to incite violence.

    Will they look in a mirror any time soon ? Or will Police Scotland intervene and close them down?

    Stu , I also hope you have given these to the boys in blue , even if it is just to register the threats.

    Democracy is being murdered in this wee country of ours and our neighbours.

  46. Kenny says:

    After that FB nonsense appeared last week, I tweeted it to Ruth Davidson, Kezia Dugdale and David Mundell. As the leading lights of unionism, I was sure they’d want to dissociate themselves from it and give a clear signal that such violent talk is not the true voice of their side of this debate. After all, they demanded that Salmond apologise for every slightly off-colour tweet they could dredge up during the 2014 campaign. They’ve still not responded. Can we take this to mean that they endorse such violence?

    Where then are our brave journalists? Surely Stephen Daisley, doughty defender of outspoken journalists everywhere and now a columnist in the Daily Mail which made much play of the vile abuse of journalists and politicians on social media during the 1014 campaign, will have something to say about this? Surely our press are honest and fair? No? They’re meant to be partisan and that’s a good thing? Then what of the BBC? Funnily enough I tweeted them about it too, highlighting the fact that for two days (at that point) Dugdale and Davidson had failed to condemn it. Reporting came there none. Take from all of that what you will.

  47. Alison Brown says:

    Don’t, please, ever stop Wings over Scotland! How we need you. Horrified at these comments against you Rev. I too have had my business targeted and had several death threats. The police have had to be called in twice. We cannot let these obsessed Unionists win this fight to free our country. Hail Alba!

  48. CameronB Brodie says:

    History woman may be a retired professor of history but from the perspective of this post-structuralist vegetarian, she’s an ignorant bigot. She appears to live in a totalised ideological ‘reality’ that personifies the cult of Yoonionism. Bet she gets on with JK.

    Got a problem with respecting universal human rights?

    “The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural and political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

    “The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

  49. desimond says:

    Inside the mind of a Rampant Yoon

    Close Holyrood..tick..job done.

    Whats this?, a rejection by the UK voters to the Tories and suddenly 50+ SNP MPs have the balance of power at Westminster?

    Hmm…what to do?…

    it will all end in tears for them. One way or another.

  50. Scott Borthwick says:

    Thomas Valentine.

    The Paisley polis protecteth us?

  51. Athanasius says:

    Agree with everything you say except that “tide of history” bit. History is just a bunch of stuff that happens. It doesn’t have tides.

  52. joannie says:

    Disturbing. I hope Rev Stu has reported William Neish to the police.

  53. Joemcg says:

    I really don’t think we have anything to worry about, it’s just a small group of drunken, senile, old people bumping their gums behind a keyboard. Literally!

  54. Jimbo says:

    What sad, depressing lives these people must lead. When you look at their Twitter comments everything is doom, gloom and negativity. They seem so mired up to their noses in negativity that it must make them nauseous. They’re so totally obsessed with circumventing the will of Scotland’s people that democracy has become a stranger to them.

    No stone is left unturned in their quest to to keep Scotland shackled to the corrupt, undemocratic Westminster system. No thought is deemed too outlandish or crazy enough to be dismissed as being absurd.

    It’s like One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest in an Online asylum where the demented and mentally unstable plot Scotland’s ruin.

  55. Soutron says:

    Can’t help but be a bit amused that the majority of unionist support comes from the over 65s yet these nuts are keen for a civil war. Bombs in their wheelie message bags and bayonets on their walking sticks? Chilling stuff.

  56. Weechid says:

    Paula Rose says:

    13 February, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    There were 33 people at the Scotland in Union Christmas party.

    Was that before they threw you out?

  57. Johnny says:

    Harry McAye @ 12:01pm:

    Now, now. Don’t take too much pleasure in St Mirren’s travails. Good many Yes supporters amongst the Paisley side’s faithful.

  58. Jake Gittes says:

    Much like JLT I have never experienced major problems when leafleting for YES or the SNP.

    However at the last Holyrood election there was a definite increase in the numbers wishing to confront. Way beyond that of 2014. One example of several was that of a female leafletter on her own, who had a nasty experience in a flat stairwell ( verbal abuse and an item thrown ) something the branch now will never let happen again because we do flats in pairs.

    Think the viciousness from UKOK has ramped up because they know they are on the backdoor and likely to lose.

    Personal security will be at the forefront of our minds next time.

  59. aitchbee says:

    Lot of whistling in the dark going on.

    The chap who says he has a gun licence and is tooled up and ready needs to be reported to the police, as he’s clearly not a suitable person to have one.

  60. Dr Jim says:

    I don’t believe for one second Independence would lead to violence in the streets once it’s over
    Remember these are the folk who are always banging on about accepting results and the will of the people

    Well they keep saying that don’t they

    Don’t they?

  61. heedtracker says:

    What dead cat will be flung this time round?

    In the Heil Trump/Mayhem timeline, another extremely hot middle east war, back our British boys, coalition forces, Iraq, this is front line Kate Adie for the BBC, war is hell.

  62. Johnny says:

    I join others in expressing amusement (not disbelief, though) at the line of thinking that goes, ‘I like Holyrood when my type of people ran it, but shut it down now because I don’t like who the people have chosen to run it now’.

    Democracy? These people wouldn’t know it if it kicked them in the nuts. Which it might well do yet.

  63. Clootie says:

    I need a shower now!

    Unfortunately it reflects the extreme venom of unionists during the last 5 years.

  64. Robert Louis says:

    Those unionists openly promoting violence and aggression should be tackled by the police. They are not indulging in ‘heated’ debate with differing opinions, but openly threatening and discussing the ACTUALITY of murdering or torturing a pro independence writer, with whom they happen to disagree.

    The fact that the Labour party and so-called ‘broadsheet’ ‘news’papers indulge these crazed people, give them a platform for their hatred, and actually pay them is even worse.

    As for talk of ‘changing the rules’ for indy ref 2, well that gives the game away doesn’t it. Unionists are getting hysterical because next time, they know they will lose.

    I say this, however, people like the Emeritus Professor of History of modern German history at the University of Edinburgh, Jill Stephenson, using the foul language she appears to have used against a democratically elected, female MP, is truly shameful. If true, I do wonder what the University of Edinburgh, and its commercial backers think of her foul mouthed, and frankly disgraceful public rants. The Prof should know better than to indulge in any stoking of unfounded, bigotted hatred, given her knowledge of the rise of fascism and the Nazi party.

    As for the independence campaign, we will carry on, keeping out of the unionist gutter. They can scream and shout and abuse all they want, but we on the independence side are better than that – by quite some margin. The unionists in Scotland are, to be frank, just becoming ridiculous. We should laugh at them, and never stoop to their level.

    Always remember the old saying, ‘never wrestle with a pig. The pig will enjoy it and you will get dirty’.

    related link

  65. Clapper57 says:

    Sinky says:
    13 February, 2017 at 11:46 am

    “History Woman ranting in Edinburgh Evening News letters pages to-day with her usual anti SNP / indy Ref nonsense”.

    Sinky , she had a letter published a couple of weeks ago in same paper ranting about ‘Honesty’and the SNP …pity she was not honest enough to state at the end of her letter that she was part of ‘Scotland in Union’.

    The above tweets exemplify what a cult REALLY looks like and how some of the members of said cult are long overdue a psychiatric assessment as to their suitability to be allowed the freedom to live among decent, peaceful and good people like us.

    Frankly we need to be honest and realise that a certain section of Scottish society let us down, the above tweets are classic examples of the hateful incitement that try to undermine and destroy all hope that we Scots , post indy, can live in a better society.

    Having said that we have to bear in mind there will always be undesirables in any society who are driven by hate and madness and thankfully they are a minority and do not represent Scots.

    Also it blows out of the water that the supposed Cybernat is the aggressor and intimidating force within the argument between Indy and pro Union supporters.

    So pray let them continue because as they truly damage their cause they also actually help ours.

    Hate destroys the hater.

    Love over Hate always.

  66. Artyhetty says:

    That these people are part of a movement endorsed by the daily rags, is not surprising and is indicative of the contempt shown towards the people of Scotland. How dare the people want a decent living, how dare they want a fairer society. That is not the british way at all. The britnats don’t do peace.

    As for threats of violence towards an individual as yourself Stu, hopefully you have already reported those responsible to the police. Twitter or not, directed threats must be taken seriously.

    Stay safe. Personal alarm, a very very loud one. Kung fu self defense classes! Just joking, sort of.

    Some of these are actually not petty threats Struan. And we are not comrades. This is not a commi movement, and never was. Keep the ‘pushing old buttons’ of your ’20s extreme republican nationalist’ away from Scotland. Thanks very much, maybe take up running or something man.

    The people who want Independence for Scotland are definite civic and internationalists.

    Any buttons being pressed are those of the extremists in the Scotland in union movement, keep your violent threats or inclinations out of Scotland.

  67. Corinne Noble says:

    I know and work with one of the guys highlighted for saying he should be exterminated!!! I’m bloody insenced!!!!!

  68. David says:

    13 February, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    Heedtracker says:

    David says:

    W“You are looking at possible NI situation in the 70’s and 80’s with the difference being that the only pushing will be done from the Unionist side.”

    That’s no different from any and all Scotland in Union threats of violence. Really sleazy.

    Stay safe Stu.”

    Sleazy? Maybe it seems that way if you are blind and ignorant to the British way of doing things for the last few hundred years.

    You stay safe and don’t give yourself a headache by using more than 1 braincell at a time, eh? 😉

  69. joannie says:

    You’re right, of course, Artyhetty. I hope everyone heeds that advice but some of the views displayed in the above article are disturbing to say the least.

  70. Ian McCubbin says:

    Shocking to read some of the tweets sent to you and about you. I have responeed with facts to Historywiman and Eddie and Scotland in Union when they tweet unsinstantiated Yoon talk. The reply each time is silence.
    If more of us here were to challenge each of them more often they may eventually see tide has turned and that their bubble is burst.
    Keep going Rev. We in Yes need your support.

  71. Ken Clark says:

    I don’t know if this has been mentioned already, but another, friendlier, ‘history woman’, Lucy Worsley, featured the Raj in an episode of her ‘British History’s Biggest Fibs’ series.

    The parallels with our current situation are stark. All the elements are there. Cash cow, respect, rewriting of history, educating children with ‘British’ values, employing natives to help administer the colony, and many other aspects we see only too clearly here and now.

  72. ScottishPsyche says:

    They are given a platform time and again to spout this horrible stuff. They must be near to crossing the line where this rhetoric is against the law.

    I will be happy to help crowd fund anyone who feels they could bring legal action against them. It is pernicious and deeply worrying that it goes unchallenged in the MSM.

  73. Proud Cybernat says:

    Scotland will regain its independence NOT by the bullet but democratically with the ballot. End of.


  74. Robert Peffers says:

    @harry mcaye says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:01 pm:

    ” … There really are some absolute scumbags on the Unionist side. We all know about Mad Jill but I notice the last comment from someone calling himself Reynard.”

    I noticed that one in particular too, Harry.
    There is no doubt that is a direct threat to take up arms. Indeed it could be assumed the arms are already taken up.

    This guy says, “I have a gun licence. I’m tooled up and ready”.

    That, in plain English is, “I have a gun licence and am ready to use a gun against Scottish people”.

    There is no ambiguity there – He has a gun licence and if he is, “Tooled up”, he has a gun also and he is ready to use it against Scottish Indy supporters.

    That person needs locked up.

  75. nodrog says:

    Stu there are several people on your expose who should be sued charged or both. If they are not they are being protected. But what else would you expect from a right wing society.

  76. Gullane No 4 says:

    Report to police… careful Stu, remember Joe Cox.
    There are unbalanced folk out there.

    File until Indy2 starts and repeat this article every week.

  77. Breeks says:

    Is it just me? Or do others feel a kind of tacky and unpleasant need to audit and analysis of which particular brand of history this woman has been lecturing prior to her retirement? How many History students have been short changed in their education and turned hostile towards Scotland?

    My second observation is a disconnect between an disciplined academic background you might expect from a historian, and her unhinged pathological hatred for Scottish Independence.

    I have no great urge to find out anything more about her personally. It speaks volumes about Unionism that it cannot fill a village hall, and can only find form and substance denigrating Scottish Independence. It invariably falls curiously silent when it comes to talking up the merits of the Union. Suddenly they have a lot less to say for themselves when that’s the agenda.

    Personally Rev, I’d like to see you coming home to the land of the free. Bath is a beautiful city in a nice part of the world, but it only takes one nutter… You are a valuable asset Rev, and the Yoons know it.

  78. Marie Clark says:

    Good grief!Their absolute terror is palpable.

    The yoons have been ramping up their rage at indy ref2 for the past eleven months. Have they not noticed that they are wasting their time? No that’s a daft question really. The fact is they have noticed that we ain’t paying them any attention and the indy numbers are creeping up and they are beelin.I think that the might spontaneously combust when the date of indy 2 is announced.

    We start this time from a higher platform than we did first time round, so no wonder that they are shattin it. Good. They’ve been mad since the 19th September 2014 and they won for heaven’s sake.

    All these threats of violence from these nutters should be reported to the polis.

    In my book, if you have to threaten anyone with violence, you’ve lost the argument bigtime. That’s what they are so feart of.

  79. Jimbo says:

    You can bet your boots that if these Unionist clowns, Stephenson, Gallagher & Co managed to incite violence, they wouldn’t be leading from the front.

    They’re the type who would wind up the bams and deny responsibility

  80. orri says:

    IF Westminster want to abolish Holyrood, or reduce its powers, then they have to enact laws which then have to be given Royal Assent. The First Minister of Holyrood has the power to advise on the use of Royal Prerogative in devolved matters of which refusal to give Royal Assent is an example.

    It’s a Catch 22, or chicken and egg, scenario. Until legislation is enacted to remove that devolved power from the hands of Sturgeon she has the power to advise the Queen to veto said legislation. Obviously a unionist stooge of a First Minister would have no such compunction. Those advocating the SNP resign their seats at Holyrood might want to think about who would take over until new elections could be held and what they might do during that time.

    Obviously the Queen might decline the advice of her First Minister in this case. Which would immediately lead to a rise in republican sentiment or failing that a reminder that as she has chosen to place her role of Queen of England above that of Queen of Scots she’s activated this clause in the Declaration of Arbroath Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule.

    She’d also have broken her Coronation Oath Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

    Queen. I solemnly promise so to do.

    Which states her duty to abide by the laws of Scotland.

  81. Molly says:

    There may have only been 33 at the party Paularose but they have deep pockets and judging by BBC QT good connections to the establishment.

    How come?

    Then you peek at their twitter feed and see the same names. McDougall, Daisley etc.

    David Torrance is right for once.

    Ruth Davidson won’t jeopardise her position by being the ‘ face’ of Better Together but then who needs it when you’ve already got Scotland in Union in place?

    That ‘grassroots’ group who raised £300,000 at their raffle.

    I agree though their vision of ‘ their’ Scotland is terrifying. Where everyone must conform to their standards, starting by calling yourself Jock

  82. HandandShrimp says:

    LOL 🙂 🙂 🙂

    What a bunch of “Outraged from Milton Keynes- Brigadier rtd Mrs.”

    About as scary as a jar of tadpoles but hilariously deranged.

    Please, please let these zoomers be in charge of Better Together2

  83. Bob MACK says:

    Professor ? Stephenson is in rapture. She visualises herself having the opportunity to face what she labels extremism at close quarters. Having spent most of her life writing about Nazis she has mentally created her great opposition in the SNP, and is determined to make her voice heard as “defender” of freedom.

    Her freedom however means somebody else’s captivity. She is living her dream though only in her own mind.

    The rest of the zealots are the staunch Unionists. They show their bravado to earn praise and affirmation from people who would otherwise have nothing to do with them.

    There may be the odd loose cannon, but what we are seeing in the main is Internet warriors, pounding out their frustration and helplessness on the keyboard.

    Scotland will be free in spite of them, and maybe in some cases because of them.

    We carry on.

  84. Mike says:

    I can honestly see the likes of Scotland in Union developing into our very own version of the UDA or UFF.
    They are truly this extremist and blinkered in their ideology.
    This is how terrorism is born.
    I don’t believe these people will be able to accept an Indy Scotland I believe they will take their opposition up more than a few notches when we get a Yes vote.
    I truly see the potential here for the formation of a new Terror group.
    These people really are that batshit deluded and deranged.

  85. Ken500 says:

    ‘Johnston Press has been fighting for survival since the financial crash. It is wrestling with decline of the local newspaper industry and is labouring under debts that stood at £137.7Million at the start of July last year.’

    The management had raised £140Million from the sales of shares and £220Million from bonds in a previous financing effort. JP has asked that Rothschild examine ways to reconstruct it’s debts and refinancing options. It has £200Million in bonds that are going to mature in 2009. These will need financing. The shares have fallen 90% to 17p. Valued at £17Million.

    The Crystal Amber fund owns 20% of JP shares. There is lack of confidence in the chief excutive Ashley Highfielf and finance manager David King.JP is the publisher of the Yorkshire Post, Lancashire Evening Post and the ‘i’ paper. Scotsman.

  86. heedtracker says:

    Scots of Scotland, are not the only Scots:D

    National news from Canada, not reported here, in Scotland.

    Its not just the USA that’s got a Scottish leader, again.

  87. LesWilson says:

    A whole lot of the Yoons posted here need to be hauled in and charged.That is what SHOULD happen,where are the protectors of law and order? where are their voices?

    Most of these people are Carstairs worthy and should be locked away for a long time.

  88. Cairnallochy says:

    Robert Louis @ 12.55

    I was told some time ago that the University of Edinburgh had moved very quickly to dissociate itself from Jill Stephenson’s online and other activities.

  89. Greannach says:

    Willie Rennie! Call off your attack dogs!

  90. Artyhetty says:


    So Heedtracker questions your motive, and your response is to insult him. Classic attempt to divide on this forum!

    We all know about the ‘NI situation’, but your comment makes no sense in this context. NI was a very divided country, province, call it what you like.

    People here, are generally a good example of how they want to conduct themselves on this road to independence, it is nothing like NI, much as many unionists really really lemon squeezy, wish it would be.

  91. Robert Graham says:

    Oh Christ i feel dirty after reading this load of totally deranged outflowing of absolute bile and hatred , contrast that with the genuine warmth and happiness of the ” YES ” movement , I just wonder if Jakey endorses this type of behaviour and would she want to be associated with it ? , maybe her younger followers would appreciate the sentiments of these , well its difficult to describe them what collective name should be attached to them ? f/kd if i know , this is going to be real messy and its only from one side because they know they are loosing their precious union , oh dear how sad , never mind.

  92. Mike says:

    Stu a word of advice. Really watch your back because some of these yoons truly are demented deranged and mentally unstable.
    You’ve become a fixation for many of them.
    Jo Cox was a lesson that needs to be heeded.

  93. Robert Peffers says:

    @Richardinho says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:12 pm:

    ” … What is troubling is that no one on the mainstream side of unionism – the Conservative Party, the Labour party etc etc – bothers to condemn these nutters.”

    Whatever makes you think that they want to condemn them?

    In fact what makes you think they are not, “Them”?

    We know some of them, Mad Murdo for example, are indeed, “them”, and some quoted comments from the HOL have been well over the mark.

    I have absolutely no doubt, if things sink to the level of violence again, (note again), it will be either these totally over the top Yoon-nats, (note not actually British Nationalists), or will be from UK agents provocateur. The Westminster Establishment has a long, much proven, history of the latter.

  94. Greannach says:

    Mike @ 1.21

    About these nutters forming a kind of UVF-style outfit. I can’t see 70 year old Vodka Jill or her fancy-dress pal from Aberdeen roaming around at night murdering innocent civilians. Their younger groupies might fancy the idea of some excitemment, but could they stay out of the pub long enough to get round to it on a sustained level?

  95. heedtracker says:

    New Canadian prime minister has Caithness roots
    Justin Trudeau became the new Prime Minister of Canada on Monday.
    Justin Trudeau became the new Prime Minister of Canada on Monday.
    CANADA’s new prime minister Justin Trudeau is the second to hold the post to share Caithness family roots.

    His great grandfather emigrated from Wick to start a new life in north America more than 100 years ago.”

    Says, the John o Groat journal and Caithness Courier. Interesting how tory BBC led media here in the UK zone never ever mention Canadian PM’s a Scot, yet the whole tory freak show goes planet toryboy mental on Heil Trump’s Scottish ancestry.

    Its maybe because Canadian PM Justin Trudeau is not a UK tory Ligger Neil grade tory roaster, like Heil Trump, maybe.

  96. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    I think someone should tell Reynardthefox that tweeting about your gun license in that way is a good way to go about losing said license.

    I can’t read through all that gibbering darkness, Rev. Had to stop for boaking and skip to the end. Point made, sir *retch* point made.

  97. heedtracker says:

    Artyhetty says:
    13 February, 2017 at 1:26 pm

    So Heedtracker questions your motive, and your response is to insult him. Classic attempt to divide on this forum!

    What!? My ickle wickle hurt feelings. There are loads of ways to sow fear and doubt.

    That dude’s is a good example.

  98. orri says:

    Might also be worth pointing out the obvious differences between here and Northern Ireland.

    For one thing we’re on the same island as England and Wales which makes tracking suspected terrorists across borders kind of problematic. Especially if they have to institute border posts whilst Scotland is still part of the UK.

    We generally don’t have the general religious divisions there were and still are in Northern Ireland no matter how much shameless unionists electoral candidate want to stir them up.

    I’ll give you that some of us don’t particularly like the English. However generally that’s specific odious examples of wind up merchants rather than the whole nation.

    Police are generally under the control of Holyrood and what little land forces the army has left will be further reduced for the same reason Scottish Soldiers were confined to barracks in 1919

    Hopefully after May the majority of councils in Scotland will be under SNP control. That means that there’ll be no OO Walk in support of a NO vote just before polling day meaning no cover reason for large bodies of men from NI coming over just in time for a mini riot in George Square. Even then the Police might decide to simply not allow it to go ahead if there’s been an upsurge in violence during the campaign period.

  99. Bugger (le Panda) says:

    The mayhem of George Sq on the day after the IndyRef1 was nothing less than a warning to us about what would be kicking off to destroy a Yes vote and a warning to us not to try it again.

    OO and their enforcing wing organised it probably at the behest of old NI contacts.

  100. Big Jock says:

    Using the same logic concerning whether the public want a referendum. The EU vote would probably never have happened. When it was announced support for Brexit was lucky to get 42% support. That grew during the campaign and they eventually won. So basing a referendum on an opinion poll is utter shite!

    At the moment support for yes is between 46- 49%. So if the public are evenly split on actual voting intention, and they elected a pro indi majority. Then clearly the matter is up in the air. Add to the mix the EU vote and I see no justifiable reason not to proceed.

  101. Fred says:

    Quite a shock, a job for the Polis!

  102. One_Scot says:

    In all seriousness, given the option of an Independent Scotland or Brexit, Trump and continuous Tory rule over Scotland for the foreseeable future, I genuinely cannot understand why any reasonable minded Scot would want to vote ‘No’ and have these types of people rule over us and control our lives and Scotland’s future.

  103. Macart says:


    That’s the word I’m looking for. Unhinged.

    Remove a parliament, remove the democratic voting rights of citizens and residents, proclamations of potential violence against peaceful parties and individuals, civil unrest.

    That’s yer better togetherness right there that is. That’s the cringe on steroids and a political and media narrative of hatred and othering gone off reservation. The morality free zones that created this narrative have lost control of it and the result is?

    A thoughtless and ill considered Brexit and the creation of the fear and rage driven ultra yoon.

    A big well done to the political class who created both monstrosities and good luck with that ‘one nation’ unity all pulling together pitch.

    They’ve done a bang up job on social cohesion so far.


  104. ClanDonald says:

    The Scotland In Unionist, Archie McPherson is a right scumbag too, he was a close associate of Arthur Thompson of Glasgow Gangland Fame:

  105. HandandShrimp says:

    It is worth noting that while we are cautiously optimistic they do sound absolutely beside themselves with fury. I think they know that the Union is on a shoogly peg.

    Honestly, we are supposed to be the scary cybernats and when do we ever sit here talking about shooting people and torturing them to death. The occasional chuckle when they lose an argument on TV maybe but death and destruction? That is Yoon territory.

    Make no mistake – we are the nice ones in this debate. I have fair degree of confidence that a great many of the same people above would have disturbing opinions on the EU, immigrants and the poor too.

  106. CmonIndy says:

    FFS Rev watch out. It is seriously going to get much worse. Don’t be a martyr.

  107. nodrog says:

    If “History Woman” knows anything about history she will know that she is displaying the characteristics of and utterances of the real NAZI party. As are most of those who agree with her. It may take some time but truth will win the day.

  108. Andy Anderson says:

    Like many of you have stated already. Do not react to their hate rants and report it to the police if personal.
    Maybe in our postings we should have two classes of yoons. One called yoons meaning decent folk fighting for the union and YNP (yoonionist Nazi party)

  109. Patrick Roden says:

    Billy Fullerton, founder of the ‘Billy Boys’ started the Glasgow branch of Mosleys Blackshirts after Mosley began his Nazi Party of GB.
    Once this was no longer sustainable because of WW2 Fullerton started Glasgow/Scottish branch of the Klu Klux Klan!

    This is the roots of a lot of the ‘Staunch Unionists’ we see on the Scotland in Union type comments pages.

    This is why they hate the SNP/Yesers so much, because we expose who they really are, not only to others but to themselves.

    You can bet that Batshit Jill didn’t just stumble across the history of the Nazi’s and learned enough to be able to write books and teach the subject, her fascination goes far deeper than that, and so does most of her ilk.

    We saw that Duncan Hothersall was copied into the comments, so I wonder if Dunc has ever considered the kind of politics he really supports.
    It’s easy to spout the internationalist socialist brotherhood nonsense he does because it makes him feel all red inside, but the independence cause has shown him up time and time again for who he really is and I’m just using him as one example among many we could all easily mention.

    Journalists, politicians (and Murdo Frazer) Old football commentators and fake nutty professors, all being shown up for the extreme right wing fascists, who will lie, threaten, intimidate, in fact.. almost anything to ensure they control the resources and lives of Scotland and her people.

    This is a message that we should try to get out to the elderly, a support for the louder Unionists is a support for the Moseleys Black Shirt/KKK mob.

    ‘We fought against this lot in WW2’

  110. joannie says:

    History Woman seems to be casting the wish for an independent Scotland in the role of the rise of Nazism, and herself in the role of brave Michelle from the Résistance.

    Her posts are both bizarre and quite disgusting, to the extent that I find it disturbing that the mainstream media see her as respectable enough to give a platform to.

  111. Robert Peffers says:

    @galamcennalath says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:30 pm:

    ” … I think it may be time for the moderates to rein in the nutters.”

    I think you may be wrong and nothing the moderates can now do is going to stop them. The time for moderates to act passed them by long, long ago.

    When the likes of the o/o, JKR, Spanner, Murdo, Ian Smart and even Terry Kelly and their like were encouraged and supported, the moderates lost their chance to rein them in.

    That chance will not return very soon – if ever. Reading the Rev Stu’s examples shows it is well out of hand right now. If people get away with such talk on-line it tells us something that we must not forget. The Establishment are not going to act but have, and will continue, to encourage it. They always have.

  112. Steve Bowers says:

    Is it desperate trolling from the Yoons, hoping to get someone stupid enough on the YES side to take a pop at them (literally) or just an excercise in collecting some tweets for the papers ?

    On the other hand, have they lost the plot ?

  113. John H. says:

    O/T sort of.
    James O’Brien on LBC this morning revealed (well it was news to me anyway) that when Michael Gove recently met Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch was sitting in a corner of the room.

    Birds of a feather…

  114. Richardinho says:

    One of the Nazi’s tricks in gaining power was having a private army which went around causing violence, then claiming that they needed to gain power so as to stop all the violence!

    Something similar going on here: The Yoons trying to whip up hatred, then they will claim that the constitutional debate is causing too much acrimony.

  115. Richardinho says:

    ‘Can’t help but be a bit amused that the majority of unionist support comes from the over 65s yet these nuts are keen for a civil war. ‘

    Generally the people who start wars don’t fight in them. I suspect even those troublemakers that aren’t in their dotage are aiming to inspire some border line psychotic to go out and hurt someone rather than do it themselves.

  116. Old Highlander says:

    They would quite happily exterminate all 5.295 million of us without a second thought.

  117. galamcennalath says:

    Robert Peffers says:

    … nothing the moderates can now do is going to stop them … it is well out of hand right now …

    I’m the eternal optimist and live in hope that not all Unionists are nutjobs. You may be right, the Yoonatics have indeed taken over the UK asylum.

    …lost their chance…

    Unionists do seem to make a habit of missing their last chances. They won in 2014 and the Smith Commission was possibly their last chance to secure their Union. And here we all are where we are.

  118. Robert Peffers says:

    @Joemcg says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:43 pm:

    “I really don’t think we have anything to worry about, it’s just a small group of drunken, senile, old people bumping their gums behind a keyboard. Literally!”

    Is it, Joemcg? That post, “I have a gun licence and I’m tooled up and ready”, is a very clear and explicit threat.

    Translate it into plain English. “I have a gun licence. I have a gun. I’m ready to use it against the Independence supporters”

    It could not be clearer. There is no doubt that, “I’m tooled up”, means he has a licenced gun and is ready to use it and he states who the targets are.

  119. Richardinho says:

    @Patrick Roden

    “Billy Fullerton, founder of the ‘Billy Boys’ started the Glasgow branch of Mosleys Blackshirts after Mosley began his Nazi Party of GB.
    Once this was no longer sustainable because of WW2 Fullerton started Glasgow/Scottish branch of the Klu Klux Klan!”

    Funnily enough I watched a recent television programme, presented by one Neil Oliver, about the supposedly close links between Scotland and the KKK, yet surprisingly this relevant fact wasn’t mentioned!

  120. heedtracker says:

    Bugger (le Panda) says:
    13 February, 2017 at 1:36 pm
    The mayhem of George Sq on the day after the IndyRef1 was nothing less than a warning to us about what would be kicking off to destroy a Yes vote and a warning to us not to try it again.

    OO and their enforcing wing organised it probably at the behest of old NI contacts.”

    Perhaps, but a couple of hundred er, pro union supporters in George Square pales in comparison to the 2011 riots in England, where effective law and order broke down in most large English cities.

    A few thugs in George square, or pretty much the same in and outside football stadiums Sat afternoons, always needs perspective.

  121. Jamie Arriere says:

    If anyone comes across any of these moon-howlers calling for a civil uprising, do what I usually do – say ‘I can’t make it to the revolution because’ of some prosaic excuse

    I’m washing my hair, I’m creosoting the fence, I’ve got to go hame fur ma tea etc

    The more prosaic the better

    It probably won’t improve their mood, but it’ll show them up as the half-pint Wolfie Smiths that they are

  122. K1 says:

    The very fact that it is ramping up to this level is really a ‘true’ sign that we are very close to gaining our independence. It’s also indicates that whatever ‘level’ of SNPBad they have tried to promote over the past year…hasn’t worked?

    So in reality it really is not working ‘at all’, is it?

    Let’s keep it that way. There are literally hundreds of thousands of Scots citizens reading Wings…degrees of separation are so minute in Scotland, it’s hard not to imagine that the reach of Wings ousting this shit is having a real and genuine effect.

    The SNP’s ‘numbers’ are not dropping. There is a steady movement toward yes from exNo voters in light of May/Brexit/Toriesforever/Trump in recent months.

    This all makes ‘sense’ when you consider that they are ‘losing’ and therefore ‘losing it’ completely, i.e. their sanity. The more their irrational and screeching hysteria is exposed the less inclined will be any ‘average’ citizen to ‘align’ with such brazen nut jobbery.

    We definitely are winning.

    Guid stuff Rev and ffs stay safe.

  123. heedtracker says:

    “It could not be clearer. There is no doubt that, “I’m tooled up”, means he has a licenced gun and is ready to use it and he states who the targets are.”

    Again, perspective, Robert. 2011 England riots did not turn into a shoot out but it could have. One reason the military and police were NOT ordered to shoot, the riots could shoot back.

  124. Patrick Roden says:

    Richardinho says:

    “One of the Nazi’s tricks in gaining power was having a private army which went around causing violence, then claiming that they needed to gain power so as to stop all the violence!”

    well funnily enough this was also one of Billy Fullerton and his ‘boys’ techniques as well, they were hired by local political parties, to use violence to break up meeting being held by what was becoming an increasingly popular Scottish Communist Party at the time.

    wouldn’t want the Jocks getting ideas about ‘genuine’ socialism.

  125. nodrog says:

    Have some respect folks, I believe when you are referring to the over 65s that could cover 90% of the Conservative Party membership in Scotland. If memory serves me right they had to abandon the idea of Young Conservatives as they did not have enough members to form a committee. Come to think of it maybe that is why Ruthie got her job. Project a younger image – perhaps?

  126. HandandShrimp says:

    A thing that the Yoons should bear in mind is that the Yes side gets the bulk of its support from the 45 and under age category and Yoons theirs from the over 65 category.

    What are they going to do? Wave their zimmers…refuse to draw their pensions? 🙂

  127. Big Jock says:

    Trying to impose new rules and barring people from voting is a sign of sheer panic. If we actually went down that road then only people born in Scotland would get to vote. We know who would win that! But we are inclusive so we allow the English to vote and the EU nationals and the under 18s. If we win we want to take all of Scotland with us ,not the part we already know agrees with us.

    The Yoons rules created Brexit by banning EU nationals from voting. The division is of their own making and they are not bringing this to Scotland!

  128. heedtracker says:

    “What are they going to do? Wave their zimmers…refuse to draw their pensions?”

    65 and a zimmer? Oh god. Hope I die before I get old:D

  129. Jeff says:

    Can you imagine what the scenes will be like in George Square on the night of the YES win the next referendum? The fascist unionists/football fans rioted after they won/stole it last time, will the police stand idly by again during what will be an even bigger rammy? Then get ready for months/years of yoons and their media crying that “the referendum was illegal/non binding” etc etc and they will be bleating for ‘referendum 3’ to rejoin the rUK.

  130. Jack Murphy says:

    The Voice of Yoonery.
    Johann Lamont MSP,Leader of Labour Branch Office on the Telly in February 2014:-
    “We’re not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions”.
    Must have warmed the cockles of David Mundell and Ruth Davidson.

  131. Terence callachan says:

    I have lived in Northern Ireland during the troubles as they were called late sixties early seventies I also lived in Libya when gadaffi took control from idris , I can say with confidence that the threat of civil war and violent clashes is non existent in Scotland, people are well aware that political views can differ after all we have experienced over and over again a huge majority in Scotland voting for a labour government only to be told that England has voted for Conservative so Scotland shall have what England decides.That has happened so so often it’s incredible that people in Scotland have such patience and have put up with it for so long.The fanatics can clearly be seen for what they are, people who support imperialism those same people have a hate off the scale for foreigners especially those of a Muslim faith , they also hate Scottish people who do not support those views.We in Scotland are very good at recognising their racist behaviour.
    Peace Peace Peace be with you campaign for the right to run your own country nobody can stop us having a referendum that is a fact.

  132. heedtracker says:

    “What are they going to do? Wave their zimmers…refuse to draw their pensions?”

    65 and a zimmer?

    Will you still love me, still need me, still be able to go nuts to this, like we used to, when we’re 65?

  133. Dorothy Devine says:

    Robert Louis , never heard the wrestle a pig adage before – I like it and it made me smile so thanks!

    Heedtracker , the kilt skate is magic and it made me smile too , so thanks!

    Mr Peffers , I am with you on the gun threat – unless he is a Walter Mitty type and imagines himself some sort of hard man while being a wimp first class .

    Definitely one for the police. Licence revoked , guns confiscated and charged with harassment and threatening behaviour.

    Take care Rev and beware of mad old women too!

  134. nodrog says:

    It has been obvious since Sept 2014 that the YES Campaign should be targeting over 65s and the new 16-18 yearolds. ARE WE??? If not we need to get our finger out.

  135. harry mcaye says:

    The main hate thread on Stu seems to be down to his 9/11 comment. I think Stu should clarify the context of this remark. My take on it, not having seen the full dialogue, was that he was being deliberately outrageous towards a troll. The idea that anyone would laugh through it is plainly ridiculous. It doesn’t help that this comment, and others, are cast up against one of the main assets we have in our fight for independence. Having a dark sense of humour is all well and good but when it gives idiots ammunition, and could even threaten a person’s safety, then perhaps it might be best to reign it in a bit. I acknowledge it was a quote from several years ago.

  136. shiregirl says:

    Jeez, that close up of Jill gave me a fleg. She gets nuttier by the day.

    No one should have to put up with that sort of abuse. Have the police been sent the stuff above? Some of the comments over the past few weeks from the swivel eyed amongst us on various comments pages and social media is shocking. Real hatred being spewed. I think the yoons are running scared!

    Comment from JK?…no? Didn’t think so.

  137. nodrog says:

    Forgot to say – my zimmer has a YES sticker on it.

  138. Marker Post says:

    I’d hate to be on the wrong side of that history professor (see what I did there?)

  139. K1 says:

    ‘Can you imagine what the scenes will be like in George Square on the night of the YES win the next referendum?’

    If you saw the scenes leading up to the 18th September inclusive, in George Square you would know the sheer numbers that were attending those rallies.

    They would and could not touch us in terms of numbers when we win indyref2.

    Do not be fooled into believing that we are outnumbered by these so called ‘no’ voters. Cause those in George Square on the 19th September, were not ‘ordinary’ ‘no voters’. That’s a fact.

    I’ve nae fear of my fellow citizens rioting in our streets. Because I suspect having won we will have a majority of Scots on board by then? Dinnae let ‘dark thoughts’ bother ye, that’s the very result that those yoontactics above have in mind.

  140. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    @ heedtracker

    I’m about to get very tedious and nerdy here (it would help to read this in Mr Bean’s voice)… but if that ‘shoot back’ worry ever was a reason the police didn’t open fire, then it was a teenie wee fraction of the other reasons why they didn’t. The main reason would’ve been mass public sympathy for the rioters, which would’ve been a complete volte face that the establishment would have lost control over.

    A few pistols and sawn-off shotties would not have made a battle of attrition a concern for the authorities; their assault rifles and sniper rifles – let alone light tanks – would have made tomato sauce of any armed civvies.

    Armchair general at ease. Sah!

    And I reckon Reynardthefox neither has a gun nor a license. He’s probably just puffing himself up. Still a stupid boy, though.

  141. Dorothy Devine says:

    Hope you have all had a look at heedtrackers links to the Kilt skate.

    There you will see something to cheer you – the obvious pride and enjoyment in their Scottish connections .

    We could sure use their help in the fight for independence.

  142. Sinky says:

    Whatever happens we are up against a hostile Unionist Press and complicit BBC who will just ignore any threats or violence against YES supporters but like the Daily Mail stoke up Unionist indignation

  143. Bill Hume says:

    Gun Licence?………it’s a firearms certificate in the UK, but that’s probably too difficult to spell correctly.

  144. HandandShrimp says:


    The original comment on 9/11 was nothing to do with politics. It was from a gamers board and Stu had said some nice things about a new game (he was noted for his fierce criticism in the gaming circles). The gamers were all “Stu has mellowed, been abducted by aliens” etc., Stu came out with a burst of random outrageousness and they were like “LOL its OK it is the real Stu”. Even Duncan Hotandcoldtaps withdrew his criticism when he saw the original context and said “OK it was clearly a joke”.

    I think most of these Yoons know the original context but as it is all the have they lie to themselves…which is something they are experts at if they believe the Better Together rubbish.

  145. Luigi says:


    The Queen’s Cowards only turned up in George Street on the 19th September 2014 because they thought we were beat. George Street on the morning of a YES vote would be full of tens of thousands of indy supporters. The hardcore Brit Nats wouldn’t dare go near George square in that event. They would simply crawl back and sulk in the shadows from whence they came.

  146. Liz g says:

    Westminster needs this to get violent.
    They can’t win anyother way.
    They know violence and they are good at it.
    These useful idiots are champing at the bit to “defend” what ever it is they think they are defending,also because they think they can win.

    We need to be smarter than that and keep our own hot head’s in line.
    Westminster mostly doesn’t want any competition for London, which an Independent Scotland will surely be.
    If it were me, I would try to delay a referendum till after Brexit,then the Court’s would be mine and Scotland can “forget it”,this is where I found the remarks about Holyrood not getting another referendum on it’s own terms to be a bit sinister, I suspect that it’s the date Westminster is going to play with.
    I think they will try to say that Brexit is first and then the Scot’s can vote,they will try and portray this as reasonable.
    Then break their word and not allow one at all.
    That’s what I would do….And I have time to prepare for any backlash.
    Any resulting unrest would allow me to shut Holyrood,and I could be confident that there would be Scot’s around to help.

    Worst case …. I can’t stop a referendum,and, I loose it,then I need chaos in Scotland for as long as possible to hold it back until London gets too far ahead to be threatened by Scotland’s economic activity.
    They managed to keep the pot boiling in Ireland for decades!
    As I said they are good at this violence thing!

    Now that’s what THEY can do…..But WE don’t have to let them.

    When all is said and done they really only have the OO and the racist mobs, which the Media are somewhat restricted in their support, looking too obvious.
    Most of them don’t really do subtle.
    And it has to be said…. The rent a mob from N Ireland can’t be in two places at once,as the Scot’s version can’t either,so if N Ireland’s not going to wear this Brexit shit either then that crew will not be able to jump in to each others countries so easily.
    And like last time….They go Edinburgh ….. We go Glasgow.
    They only had the one big march,so could keep a lid on the violence, I doubt their orginisers could do that on a regular basis, espically if they were loosing.
    So as well as letting Westminster be Westminster,we need to let Yoons be Yoons and Goons be Goons.
    Step back and let then revert to type,in front of everyone,and the votes will keep on coming.

  147. Luigi says:


    George Street Square

    The number of great posts I have ruined with typos. 🙁

  148. HandandShrimp says:

    Of all the comments above, the person claiming to be tooled up and prepared to shoot supporters of the party of government is probably overdue for having his firearms certificate rescinded. I am sure it just bluster but it is particularly stupid bluster.

  149. heedtracker says:

    Dorothy Devine

    It is great to see Scots across the planet. There’s far more in the USA though.

    Anyway back to the planet toryboy Scotland in union we still have to contend with, every time you look.

    You also have to check publication dates with the great toryboy lie machine too, as this vote SLab for federal UK zone Bettertogetherness, could have been farted in to the ether any time in the last decade, it’s 14 hours ago:-(

    In a speech at University College London tonight, Ms Dugdale will again reject independence and reaffirm her desire for Scotland to work as closely as possible with other EU countries.

    However the motion also admits the Brexit vote and the results of the 2014 referendum “showed the appetite for change across our country”.

    Ms Dugdale has said the UK Labour Party will soon convene a cross-party convention to devise a federal system for the UK by 2020, followed by a “new Act of Union”.

  150. carjamtic says:

    Completely unscientific,but a week ago I dropped a link to a tune onto WoS,thanks to the informed posters on wings,I noted the view count,on checking it again,this morning it has risen by 355,000… stated,not very scientific ,but wow that’s a big number.

    No wonder they want to put the brakes on you Rev. I have no doubt when the cops chapped on their doors,following their online threats,many a Laura Ashley couch would have been shat on.

    Keep on doing,what your doing,please,it is seems to be driving ‘Miss Daisy’ and her chauffeur’s completely bonkers.


  151. Bill says:

    Paula had a confirmed sighting of Spanner at their Christmas party.

    The Yoons are upset that I got Steve Sayers permanently banned from Twitter, you’re welcome.

    Many more Yoon Trolls to be outed soon!

  152. Robert Peffers says:

    @Reluctant Nationalist says: 13 February, 2017 at 1:30 pm:

    ” … I think someone should tell Reynardthefox that tweeting about your gun license in that way is a good way to go about losing said license.”

    Well! Reluctant Nationalist, considering Reynardthefox, not only claims to have the licence, he/she/it also claims to be, “tooled Up”.

    Now I might be old, but not that old to not know that, “being tooled up”, means he also has the gun, or guns, and furthermore he says he is ready to use it and has stated a target. Now if that is not a direct threat and a matter for the English police force to investigate and prosecute – what is?

  153. heedtracker says:

    Reluctant Nationalist says:
    13 February, 2017 at 2:38 pm
    @ heedtracker

    I’m about to get very tedious and nerdy here (it would help to read this in Mr Bean’s voice)… but

    Yes that is and was their reality. Real anarchy in the UK, its not exactly the UK that’s sold around the world. It came close according to cop friends, really when rioters got close enough to assault Prince Charles and whatsherface, in his limo leaving the theatre, during the height of the riots. It literally came down to shoot at will, its your call, on the ground.

  154. CameronB Brodie says:

    History woman appears to be someone with a fascination of rigid, positivistic modes of Victorian thought, specifically fascism. As such, the fluid nature of contemporary society may have escaped her notice.

    It might be a good idea to reacquaint yourself with reality hen, so that you are able to communicate from a perspective of connectedness. Here’s a nautically themed essay I thought might help you on your way to re-connecting with the world. Best hud yer wheesht until such time, as you could do with developing a sense of negritude. That might help you stop making such a spectacular spectacle of yourself.

  155. heedtracker says:

    nodrog says:
    13 February, 2017 at 2:31 pm
    Forgot to say – my zimmer has a YES sticker on it.

    Sting is 65. Oh god.

  156. Yoons, hanging too good for them

  157. Az says:

    The irony of a professor being THAT thick.

  158. HandandShrimp says:

    I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? 🙂

    I haven’t long to go…I want a turbo booster on mine…we were promised jet packs after all

  159. msean says:

    Wow.Imagine if that had been anyone supporting yes to independence.

  160. Chitterinlicht says:

    What i can never get my head around is that if the Union is so wonderful why do ‘these’ people not spend their time promoting the positive case for it instead of getting angry and aggresive at those people who want to leave it?

    Surely it sells itself?

    Stay safe Mr Campbell.

  161. heedtracker says:

    HandandShrimp says:
    13 February, 2017 at 3:02 pm
    I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? ?

    I haven’t long to go…I want a turbo booster on mine…we were promised jet packs after all

    Grandad 😀

    Tartan trews too!

  162. Proud Cybernat says:

    @ Walter Hamilton

    Put a sock in it, shit stirrer. We choose the ballot, not the bullet. Period.

    Now away and #indy-soon-so-hug-a-yoon

  163. Anyone in Scotland would be able to publish a whole tome of lies we’ve had from the unionist over the past say 55 years.

    These unionists should be held to account and made to explain where all our industries and jobs are today, that were told in 1978 can only be secure by remaining as part of the UK

  164. galamcennalath says:

    Labour talking about a Federal solution, again.

    Jeez, will someone tell them the closing date for submissions to the Smith Commission is well past!

  165. Cactus says:

    Aweright Luigi @ 2:43/45 pm

    Ye were kinda right the first time anyways.. and in addition to Freedom / George Square being packed with YES revellers..

    YES winners will also surround the adjoining streets of:

    West George Street, North Hanover Street, North Frederick Street, George Street, Cochrane Street, South Frederick Street, Hanover Street, Queen Street and St Vincent Place.

    All of us Glaswegians will be there, in our HOME square.

    I Love Glasgow.
    Game on.

  166. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    heedtracker: ‘It literally came down to shoot at will, its your call, on the ground.‘



    Robert Peffers: ‘Now if that is not a direct threat and a matter for the English police force to investigate and prosecute – what is?‘

    I agree. And he didn’t even frame the tweet in conditional subjunctive or hypothetical terms, so I suspect he’ll have his collar felt. Ha.

  167. Bob MACK says:

    We have probably all experienced this hate. Whilst I was standing outside a polling station during the referendum with my hi visit SNP vest, an elderly man and his son passed. The son said all SNP voters would be one day put against a wall, and he could not wait.

    I smiled at him and asked if he supported independence. Angry was not the word.

    It is strange how he made value judgements about me without ever knowing anything about me at all. Hate is perfidious and it was a classic example of how hate can spread for no viable reason other than having a “hive” mindset.

  168. nodrog says:

    HandandShrimp says:
    13 February, 2017 at 3:02 pm
    I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? ?

    I haven’t long to go…I want a turbo booster on mine…we were promised jet packs after all

    No chance of jet packs. Your zimmer will need to be wind assisted.So keep eating the curries!!!

  169. K1 says:

    ‘George Street Square on the morning of a YES vote would be full of tens of thousands of indy supporters. The hardcore Brit Nats wouldn’t dare go near George square in that event. They would simply crawl back and sulk in the shadows from whence they came.’

    Kinda ‘exactly’ ma point Luigi. 🙂

    They would be ‘seriously’ outnumbered and they were not representative of ‘no voters’ in Scotland.

  170. Mike says:

    Donald Trump Vladimir Putin Teresa May Benjamin Netanyahu.

    That’s Satans 4 horseman of the apocalypse in place.

    Time to pucker up people.

  171. Robert Graham says:

    OH dont click on the daily mail link unless you have a shower afterwards , or maybe a bath that might work better HA HA , The mail link is got to be the biggest hate filled Hatchet job ever , the only thing is they can’t cover up are the cops face to face with unionist hate filled faces , contrast that with the happy “YES” supporters .in their quest to show “YES” supporters in a bad light they only managed to capture HATE on the Unionists supporters faces , well done the Mail keep it up boys you are doing our job for us , Hip ,Hip .

  172. Joemcg says:

    Robert P- unlikely I know, but you make a good point and you just don’t know. What if this Reynard did shoot someone and yet the police have not acted on that warning he made, just who is accountable?

  173. heedtracker says:

    HandandShrimp says:
    13 February, 2017 at 3:02 pm
    I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? ?

    Sting is 65. This is the the the last one I promise:D

    Giant steps are what you take, Walking on the Yoon.

  174. Dr Jim says:

    Watch out for the buzzwords like when they say “Pal” I don’t think they really mean it y’know
    Or the very famous one “Haw” dead giveaway that

    Facial expressions: The grin revealing a lack of dentistry that usually slides up the one side of the face, strikes terror in all who view it
    Lastly the misspelled Tattoo either on fingers or forearms usually denoting a particular organisation or in relation to ones female parent

    If all these are spotted and accompanied by an obviously needlessly shaven head, running for dear life or making loud help police noises are the preferred option

  175. James Westland says:

    Bob MACK

    Yes that hatred that seems to run through some of these people like the writing on a stick of rock. A wise saying I came across said that “the only thing we should hate is hate itself” Lot of truth in that.

    If you really feel the need to wash your eyes out with bleach, take a keek at Andrew Skinner FB page (him of Scotland in Union fame)

    He claims “Love politics, history & international affairs. Love my country (the UK). Loathe nationalism”

    “Loathe nationalism” Presumably only the Scottish variety? The British version is presumably OK?

    Wonder if these people will ever get over their burning hatreds?

  176. c rober says:

    I dont have or use twitter , the clue is in the name for me… however those that do might want to refer onwards their lecturers views to the student union.

    Quite important right now with LGBT awarenes and student elections ongoing… Slutgate?

  177. K1 says:

    Ah ‘sense’ a new article brewing. Could be wrang could be richt. Graphman has some ‘interesting’ ‘friends’ along wi a lot of familiar faces too eh?

    *slowly…reaches for popcorn…*

  178. yesindyref2 says:

    In the manner so beloved of Unionist activists:

    “FACT: 2 or 3 years after Independence, 4 million people of Scotland will be telling everyone they voted YES”.

  179. yesindyref2 says:


    In the manner so beloved of Unionist activists:

    “FACT: 2 or 3 years after Independence, 4 million people of Scotland of voting age will be telling everyone they voted YES”.

  180. Smallaxe says:

    Peace, Love and Harmony to all who strive “Not Fight” for a homeland that we can be proud of.

    People, some of these clowns are obviously deranged please be careful and vigilant, especially watch your children if they are wearing any SNP badges or suchlike.The yoons teach their children to foster the same hatred that they themselves are steeped in.

    Peace Always

  181. Alt Clut says:

    Hardly needs to be said but it will make me feel better.

    A collapsing post imperial state which has reached the point of voting for huge economic self harm to indulge its own xenophobia is bound to produce a fringe of demented hysterics like these.

    They existed in the end days of the USSR, Nazi Germany and probably right back to the fall of the Roman Empire.

    I’m not the immediate target so it’s easy to say but we must all keep our nerve, hold on to each other and, “Push ! Push ! They Fail !!”

  182. John H. says:

    65. Ah, those were the days. 🙂

  183. Davy says:

    Come on folks, this nothing more than a bunch of gob-shites spouting out hot air. Normal people don’t back facist wankers like Gallagher, Stephenson and the rest of that dung ridden crew, they can see through them a mile away.

    They know we have the numbers, and while social media allows them to act hard, that’s ALL IT IS! AN ACT.

    Screw them – its our country, and if they don’t like it they can fucking move.


  184. Robert Peffers says:

    @nodrog says: 13 February, 2017 at 2:30 pm:

    “It has been obvious since Sept 2014 that the YES Campaign should be targeting over 65s and the new 16-18 yearolds. ARE WE??? If not we need to get our finger out.”

    Stop being a bloody fool, nodrog.

    It has been explicitly explained many times. Being old, young or in-between cannot predispose anyone to be a unionist. That’s just bloody stupidity. Thus look for the reasons that do predispose people to be unionists and do not be stupid enough to be side-tracked.

    The main reason the unionists have a higher proportion of older people is entirely due to the changing patterns of political support – not the other way round as you seem to imagine.

    In political terms the SNP are a younger political party. Thus their support is drawn from a handful of we older SNP members who struggled to get anywhere whatsoever for many years. There was nothing else but Westminster Unionist parties except in Ireland and the SNP were classed along with them.

    For God sake, Arthur Donaldson’s home was raided by MI5 & the police and accused on being a NAZI. To this day no evidence of the claimed large quantity of arms and Nazi documents has ever been produced and Donaldson was never charged.

    So when the SNP began to make headway they were drawing upon the younger age groups for support and membership and conversely the Yoons were established among the older age groups.

    Ergo the Yoons are older because they are Yoons, not Yoons because they are older. To thus target them especially should not be because they are older but because they are yoons and believe it or not, there are Yoons of all ages.

    Target Yoons because they are Yoons for targeting older folks because they are older is a total waste of your and their time and based upon a really stupid theory.

  185. orri says:

    Another tool they’re trying to deploy is partition and division. The idea is that somehow the Borders will joyfully decide to split of from Scotland and become part of Northern England just so they can be neglected with them. Also Shetland, Orkney, the Hebrides and any others will all clamour to remain part of the UK. Not forgetting a few scraps of land around the NE mainland. The above would allow a claim on significant portion of our share of the continental shelf and the completely worthless oil and gas deposits.

    To be fair Shetland does extend Scotland’s potential EEZ by a fair bit so being an enclave of the UK isn’t realistic. The mistake being made though is the assumption that having made a break from mainland Scotland they would opt to stay part of the UK rather than seek to rejoin Norway. Orkney, on the other hand, would be an enclave if Shetland stayed part of Scotland.

    Rockall is really only of minor interest in that it’s irrelevant as far as determining EEZ’s so why the UK might consider stealing it from Scotland is anyone’s guess. The Isle of Man probably wouldn’t be interested in leaving the UK but it’s status as a Crown Dependency presents that as an interesting prospect. Same goes for the Channel Islands. If the Kingdoms of Scotland and England do split and there’s an insistence that Scotland is not the pre-union Kingdom of Scotland it follows that our share of the Crown isn’t necessarily limited to just everything within our borders.

  186. yesindyref2 says:


    In the manner so beloved of Unionist activists:

    “FACT: 2 or 3 years after Independence, 6 million people of Scotland will be telling everyone they voted YES, so proud will they be of Scotland”.

    That’s better.

  187. louis.b.argyll says:

    A huge case study, nice work Rev C..

    By the way.. My son is considering a history degree..

    If that psychotic professor is typical of standard of the lecturers, maybe he should think again.

  188. Robert Kerr says:

    @mike 3.27

    The fifth horseman is Fear.

  189. Liz g says:

    Walter Hamilton
    Nae body is hining any body Walter….

    After Indy the Westminster wind up merchant’s will have nothing to do except explain to their “betters” why they failed.

    As for the rest, the poor buggers that were intended to be actually involved in the Violence,they will be back to playing at being Battalions that defend ….The Queen…. I think…With uniforms and everything,well everything except an actual shilling from the Queen.

    We won’t be hanging them either….

    We might tell them the Queen already has an army,and they too have bands and uniforms,we may even point out it’s a bit disrespectful to the Queen to make out her ain army’s no capable.

    But hang them NAW.

    We also need tae be careful because as a member of the EU,we need tae be mindful that this Kulture is protected.
    And they canny really depend on their Queen protecting them….Ah mean she’s doing a shit Joab with our Soverenty!

  190. The Rough Bounds says:

    They’re diddies. Don’t give them space. Just sit back folks and enjoy the show. And remember: Castigat ridendo mores (laughter works where lecturing won’t).

  191. Flower of Scotland says:

    I know this should have been on previous thread so forgive me.

    I live in Willie Rennie,s area and attend Auchtermuchty Health Centre which is now sending out a newsletter complaining that its patients are abusive because we complain too much about the service they give. Wee Willie,s cousin is a Doctor at this Health Centre and seems very nice. Its truly terrible and complaints from village Councils have been sent to Fife Health Board who have done nothing.

    Yesterday I was with a crowd of Unionists discussing the Health Centre. They agreed that “they” get much better treatment in England than we do here in Scotland and its the SNP Government to blame!

    Nothing I said could convince them otherwise.

    I’m fair annoyed!

  192. heedtracker says:

    From the heart of yoon darkness, here we go.

    Is a second independence referendum looming?

  193. Hermodr says:

    Mind if there is trouble caused by the britnats then the papers winna report it; or if they do it’ll be “Clashes between rivals as independence referendum becomes violent”. Plenty of Soft Nos will not hear about actual britnat thuggery; worse – it will be spun and implied as SNP violence.

    We need to be able to counter that.

  194. Andy-B says:

    Excellent article Rev, it shows the Britnats are fearful of Scottish independence, and that they could become violent.

    You should ideally report those threats to the police, please be a little bit more vigilant.

    Meanwhile I’m under the impression, Dugdale and Davidson are in London, expounding the merits of federalism.

    If it’s true in my opinion, flogging a dead horse there.

  195. Robert Peffers says:

    @Reluctant Nationalist says: 13 February, 2017 at 2:38 pm:

    “And I reckon Reynardthefox neither has a gun nor a license. He’s probably just puffing himself up. Still a stupid boy, though.”

    I think you miss he important point, Reluctant Nationalist.

    Which is not whether the person has, or has not, got a licenced gun. The point is that he says he has and is ready to use it. He may just be a blowhard but there may be someone else out there who isn’t and who could latch onto the idea. We have seen enough cases of people gunned down for no apparent reason – not least the recent case of a murdered MP.

    The point is that when such talk begins then it can bring out the nutters but more to the point it can bring out the agents provocateur.

    No threat of gunning folks down should be glossed over. If the guy is a blowhard then he gets a scare. If not then a danger has been averted.

  196. Phydaux says:

    We are winning and they are losing the plot.Doesn’t seem like their version of the truth is working out for them, given their hysterical levels of fear, hate, paranoia, insecurity and deeply miserable selves.

    I don’t use Twitter and I was shocked by the disgraceful diatribe against Stuart.I am so grateful to Stuart for his relentless courage, integrity and resilience in the face of such an onslaught of personal abuse, intimidation and aggression.I trust the polis will investigate what appears to be criminal behaviour.

    It’s like they are trying to protect themselves from the full force of their disappointment that their ( idealised ) Union is well and truly f***ed.Hell mend them.Indyref2 here we come as we continue to rise above the shit storms and hold our collective nerve.

  197. Cactus says:

    Indefideedly Smallaxe.

    There be an important difference, between teaching and learning.

    Teaching is what you’re told.
    Learning is how YOU discover.

    Learning, use all your sense’s, it’s all in the meaning of..

    Discover Scotland.
    Cheers Bro.

  198. clipper says:

    Speaking for myself I actually quite enjoy reading their pathetic little bleats of impotent, inarticulate rage. The only good unionist is an angry and upset unionist, and it’s slowly poisoning them to death.

    Re threatening tweets though, if enough complaints were lodged with the police by enough people, and those people continued to DEMAND from the police a full explanation as to why they weren’t taking action, if indeed they took no action, that in and of itself would be something that could be highlighted in a big way throughout all worthwhile media in Scotland. Not because it could end up embarrassing the police but because it would show up to a wider audience exactly what unionists are really all about.

  199. Capella says:

    After reading through the nasty bilge above, all I can do is add my voice to those calling for Stu to make a complaint to the police. Reads like hate speech and incitement to violence to me.

    Some of those people are full blown fascists. What a sad state the UK is descending into.

  200. Thepnr says:

    Violence is the last refuge of the loser in any argument. the vast majority on both sides of the Independence battle would detest it deteriorating into any kind of violence.

    This is why before the referendum you had so much of the MSM trying to apportion blame and attribute violent acts at the feet of the Yes movement and literally making stories up.

    If Wings had as many posters as those tweets and facebooks pages shown in the article had anything remotely similar in violent comments btl it would have been closed down long ago and I’m sure some would have found themselves in court.


    the threat of violence is the last remaining Unionist weapon and it looks like they are thinking of playing that card. Ultimately that will cost them the Union. The great majority of Scots will not fall for that and especially here.

    We fight with words, pen is mightier than the sword and all that.

  201. Sunniva says:

    I met Jill Stephenson in a work context and I can assure you all that she’s culturally English through and through. I’m amazed she claims Scottish parentage – but then there have been English colonists living in Scotland for generations, and claiming to be pseudo-Scots when it suits.

  202. CameronB Brodie says:

    Oi, less of the prejudiced against those of us who choose to sport an obviously needlessly shaven head. As I said to some twat in a pub once, Buddhist monks must be a right bunch of feckers. 😉

  203. Liz g says:

    Sunniva @ 4.23
    But was she sane?
    Not being funny, I really do wonder about these people.
    Having a point of view is one thing…And the ballot box settles that…. but they are not coming across as rational!

  204. CameronB Brodie says:

    Just don’t go there. 🙂

  205. Al Dossary says:

    The ultra-Yoons that are the OO, the Eastern star etc are beyond redemption – EVER !

    The indoctrination into Yoonland begins the minute they are born. their parents, their Grandparents and their entire surrounding circle of OO related “friends” ensure that.

    Coming from darkest Lanarkshire, my in-laws are of that ilk. The mother-in-law every year since my kids were born (the youngest now being in her late teens) without fail asked to take them to the “Big Walk”. My wife to her credit refused (being the only one of their 3 children who refused to get involved with it).

    The grandmother was similar. A devout church-goer, you should have seen her reaction whenever the pope or Catholics were mentioned. I was never in her company again after one new year where this butter widnae meld grandmother kicked off on a F’ing and blinding tirade against the Pope who was (in her mind) the Anti-Christ.

    One of the boozers in my home town was Mad-dog Adair’s first port of call also whenever he was over from the Province to watch Rangers.

    Interestingly also with the current outing of a certain SNP candicate having posted support of republican organisations, I can not remember the Scottish press ever outing Flautist extrordinaire Frank B Roy (formerly of Crossmaglen Patriots Republican Flute band) as being a severely bigoted Irish Nationalist. I have friends who knew him from his Ravenscraig days who say he was one of the most bigoted individuals they had ever come across.

    And let us not forget that the Ultra-Yoons view several years ago was that a “Vote for the SNP is a Catholic vote”. Such was the diktat from the Grand Master of the OO in Scotland. They will never vote SNP, period – let alone vote for independance.

  206. The Police should be taking action against a number of those if not all of them. These statements go too far and are dangerous. The Historywoman should be charged most definately.

    If the police don’t take action they should be question as to why not.

  207. Clapper57 says:

    You know the absolute irony and hypocrisy of this Union uber alles Tory/Labour Union of the cult love in.

    If there was NO SNP and therefore NO talk of Independence.

    Who would Jill and her unhappy band of fools be attacking on Twitter ?

    Would she still be cosying up to JKR , Frances Barber, Duncan H et al and vice versa?

    Would they be able to contain themselves and continue their BT alliance and be respectful to the other person’s politics of choice?

    I would say that their hate would definitely transcend and continue onto plain old party politics because they are so driven by hatred that they fall into the extreme right ideology i.e. they are opposing and defending against the other side who are the ENEMY.

    Also their affinity with UKIP is quite obvious as both they and UKIP create division and hatred . Perhaps they would be better just conceding that they have adopted a collective UKIP position in their political thinking.

    If, as they state, SNP was such an irrelevance then why all the fuss?

    You always know when you are winning an argument when the other side resorts to violence, intimidation and abuse. Their behavior is indicative of WHO they ARE and WHAT they REPRESENT. However they themselves do incite any abuse directed at them through their disgusting and hateful comments, which is their ultimate objective so that they can cry out ‘victim of cybernats’.

    Personally I think we should never ever resort to violence as violence is a sign of weakness and it is not WHO we ARE or WHAT we REPRESENT. We are strong together and can win our argument for Indy through fairness and truth not corruption and lies.It is their shame that they resort to such measures to communicate their message but it is with pride that we do not.

    Indy 1
    Union 0

    Got that off my chest and feel better to have had this platform to voice my opinion in a peaceful way.

  208. nodrog says:

    Robert Peffers says:
    13 February, 2017 at 3:51 pm
    @nodrog says: 13 February, 2017 at 2:30 pm:

    “It has been obvious since Sept 2014 that the YES Campaign should be targeting over 65s and the new 16-18 yearolds. ARE WE??? If not we need to get our finger out.”

    Stop being a bloody fool, nodrog.

    I am not going to get into am argument with you Mr Peffers. I will simply disagree as we know the voting numbers.

    However I will say this – watch your language – that is a disgraceful comment.

  209. Cactus says:

    Use all of your sense’s..

    Do they look right?
    Do they taste right?
    Do they feel right?
    Do they sound right?
    Do they smell right?

    Nae fear!

    And then there’s yer own intuitive intuition.

  210. Cath says:

    Trouble is, they’re right.

    Westminster could (and can) simply vote to abolish the Scottish parliament. Given that all unionist parties are anti-indy and the Tories and UKIP have always been anti-devolution (and Labour probably thoroughly agree NOW, given that it didn’t kill the SNP stone dead as planned), it seems highly likely any post Brexit government would desperately want to do that.

    And we now know absolutely and certainly from Brexit and its aftermath that the Sewel convention doesn’t matter and Scotland is treated simply as “a minority” of the UK electorate as a whole, the UK being “the country” as far as “unionists” are concerned. (No matter that it begs the question of just what “union” it is they think their protecting if they don’t believe Scotland is a country at all).

    So all it would need is a UK party to stick abolishing Holyrood in its manifest and hey presto! As soon as they’re voted in by “the UK electorate” it wouldn’t matter if they didn’t have a single vote beyond History Woman and Effie Deans in Scotland. The would be “the will of the British people”, just as Brexit is.

    The Yes side needs to ram this home this time: we simply can’t afford to take our chances in a post-Brexit Britain. If we do, we’ll have effectively, or genuinely, signalled twice to the EU and world that we’re happy being just a region of the, and happy living under those rules where we have zero say as a country on what happens to us. And that includes Holyrood and devolution. Effie Deans is NOT WRONG in that tweet, and that’s the truly terrifying thing.

  211. Cath says:

    btw, they will want to do that not just purely for conviction politics, but because a trade deal with Trump’s US that includes the NHS will demand it. Trump isn’t going to accept, “the English NHS is part of this deal but not the whole UK because it’s devolved.” For the necessity of including *the entire UK* NHS in any trade deal, devolution will have to be at the very least severely rolled back, probably abolished. The English electorate isn’t going to fight Scotland’s corner in that case – they’ll mostly be delighted.

  212. Chick McGregor says:

    Yes, the Yoonatics have taken over the asylum.

    Not that ‘asylum’ is a word that exists in their dictionary, at least not in regard to child refugees.

  213. Davy says:

    Someone should pass onto the Uncle Tams the latest poll results over on the “Scots go Pop” site, that should tighten up a few earse-holes in the yoon camp.

  214. heedtracker says:

    Pay close attention to what the Tories say over the next few weeks about powers for the Scottish Parliament – because they’re trying to ditch yet another promise on Brexit.

  215. Dave Hansell says:

    Reading through this stuff, the tweets etc, two aspects clearly present themselves:

    1. There is a degree of what psychologists refer to as projection – of character, attitudes and behaviour – which has gone beyond zeolotry and extremism and has now reached psychotic levels.

    2. The approach employed – language, low analytical abilities, threats etc – even by those with formal academic qualifications (sic) demonstrates a level of emotional immaturity that would make even a mardy three year old blush with embarrassment.

    It is indeed sad to witness so many fake grown up’s spitting their dummies out because they do not possess the maturity to accept any other world view than what exists within their own heads.

  216. Craig Travers says:

    I feel sick…..Can they not see their own Hysteria?

    My big fear is that Scotland will turn into Northern Ireland of the 70’s if we get independence.

  217. Proud Cybernat says:

    New Indy poll for The Guardian just released:

    “Should Scotland be an Independent Country?”

    YES 56%
    NO 41%
    D/K 3%

    Now – how can I say this? I think the above stat is what we presently call ‘Fake News’. But at least here on WoS we TELL you when it’s fake news. I just wanted a few yoons to choke on their bile and venim for a moment or two.

    There, there – that better now?

    But they’re losing anyway and they really, really don’t like it.


  218. Proud Cybernat says:

    * venom * (naturally.

  219. Joemcg says:

    And another one on the Edinburgh Evening News site. 24,000 votes so far. YES 50% NO 43% DK 7%. Why are all these polls with HUGE voting numbers putting yes in the lead but the “official” ones with only 1000 participants are putting no in the lead?

  220. heedtracker says:

    As Jill and her fellow yoons shout “fire!” in packed theatres, and tory BBC relentlessly lying how everything is really great under tory Brexit Mayhem, Press Association made an audio vid of UK zone reality,

  221. Greannach says:

    So Labour are going to have a chat about federalism soon, are they? Will that be after they start a campaign to stop buying Outspan oranges to bring down apartheid, and decry the regime of the Shah of Iran?

  222. heedtracker says:

    “My big fear is that Scotland will turn into Northern Ireland of the 70’s if we get independence.”

    Mine is whether or not my idiot neighbour got even louder strimmer for his Xmas.


  223. Legerwood says:

    Cathy @ 4.52

    It seems that the UK Supreme Court disagrees with you about who can abolish the Scottish Parliament.

    From the recent judgement in the Gina Millar appeal:

    “”149. In the Scotland Act 2016, the recognition of the Sewel Convention occurs alongside the provision in section 1 of that Act. That section, by inserting section 63A into the Scotland Act 1998, makes the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish government a permanent part of the United Kingdom’s constitutional arrangements, signifies the commitment of the UK Parliament and government to those devolved institutions, and declares that those institutions are not to be abolished except on the basis of a decision of the people of Scotland voting in a referendum. This context supports our view that the purpose of the legislative recognition of the convention was to entrench it as a convention. “”

  224. Robert Peffers says:

    @nodrog says: 13 February, 2017 at 4:44 pm:

    “I will simply disagree as we know the voting numbers.
    However I will say this – watch your language – that is a disgraceful comment.”

    So you believe that was a disgraceful comment but not only fail to realise that your claims that old age can predispose a person to be a unionist is far more a disgrace and extremely disrespectful.

    As to knowing the numbers – is English your second language or are you just naturally thick? Maybe it’s to do with your age? The medics when I was young used to operate and cut out parts of sufferers of stomach ulcers. They did this because they too knew the numbers of folks with ulcers who suffered this or that symptom. Then it was discovered that it had nothing to do with the numbers suffering symptoms but was a virus and it is antibiotics that cures ulcers. Knowing the numbers does not indicate either the disease or the cure.

    I explained, more than once on Wings, why it is an utterly stupid theory that just because a person is in a certain age group cannot possibly predispose them to hold any particular political views.

    That goes for any age group. I also explained why there is an older demographic among the Unionist ranks. Not to mention I explained why targeting any particular age group is wrong and counter productive. Did it all go over your head?

    We have had commenters on Wings postulate that we should target women as more women voted for unionist parties. They couldn’t explain why being female could predispose them to vote unionist either, though.

    People vote for political parties for political and loyalty reasons.

    Case in point just now. Henry McLeish. Henry has been talking like a nationalist for a good while now. I may be wrong but I believe his loyalty to Labour is strong enough to prevent him changing party.

    When you go out knocking doors you hear the same thing over and over again, “I’m Labour like ma faither an his faither afore him”. They haven’t a clue about the politics and policies but are loyal to their team. Not because of their age. not because of their gender but because of team loyalty.

    Target them for the wrong reason and you are wasting your time and theirs.

    You try converting an old lady because she is old, female and a Labour supporter and you will get nowhere. Target her because she votes Labour and you at least stand a chance of showing her that Labour is not best for Scotland.

    Do you think you can persuade the old dear to become younger and change her sex? I’ll give you the answer – you won’t but will, probably, make her angry and perhaps even cry. In either case you will only strengthen her resolve to once again vote Labour.

  225. Stoker says:

    WOS archive links now showing over on O/T.

  226. I rarely comment on this forum, but I felt compelled to this time. I am truly appalled at the level of abuse and threats to your physical well being. Equally I am deeply impressed that you seem able to rise above it all and maintain your sense of equilibrium. I use your site on an almost daily basis in order to get to the truth behind the headlines. All your research is very much appreciated. Keep up the good work – and many thanks.

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  228. K1 says:

    ‘My big fear is that Scotland will turn into Northern Ireland of the 70’s if we get independence.’

    Yes of course!

    That’s exactly how the troubles came about. They had two indyref’s in the space of a few years and the place went to shit.

    Seriously go learn some history.

    Scotland has absolutely no history of violence in relation to seeking self determination.

    Why on earth would you even countenance such an absolutely unfounded ‘fear’ is beyond ma ken.

  229. Tony says:

    Reynard is from Alloway in Ayr. One of the richest places in Ayrshire. The guy is a shitebag and wouldn’t say boo to a goose. If these people want to incite violence in an independent Scotland then I’m sure they’ll get what’s coming to them. Us Scots aren’t the sort to suffer fools lightly.

  230. Sinky says:

    Good article on Business For Scotland comparing Denmark and UK.

    Can someone produce a retort to Ruth Davidson who is again running down Scottish Education System to-night?

  231. Breeks says:

    As for the prick with the gun license, if the polis saw that tweet, he’d very quickly be a prick without a gun license, and without his guns.

    Makes me agree, I suspect Reynardthefox is talking out his bum cheeks, – but the threat is surely actionable. It might even be grounds for being sectioned for mental health.

    Mate of mine with a genuine gun license doesn’t even break the speed limits just in case he puts his gun license at risk.

  232. heedtracker says:

    Contact: Handandshrimp. Tel. 0……….

    Has it got tennis balls, like Mr Fredricksen’s?

  233. call me dave says:

    Prof Curtis in the Guardian. On referenda…ums!


    Bought an american lettuce this afternoon in Asda

    Woman (English voice) in Asda said ” Woold shotage”.

    I took it to mean they were scarce! 🙂

  234. DerekM says:

    Shocking stuff from the batshit mental yoons,we cant win so lets rig it.

    They are not even trying to hide their contempt for democracy anymore.

    Watch your back Rev,even though these are probably all total wimps that could not burst their way out a wet paper bag and get the big man feeling from being hard on the internet.

    See it all the time on youtube lol

  235. Smallaxe says:


    Sorry that I did not get back to you sooner mate but I’ve been busy with some things.Glad you get it! some have never seen it.

    Love Scotland Love you

    Keep in there!

    Peace Always: the other way is not pleasant! Seen?

  236. Bill McLean says:

    You’d think that these cretins in “Scotland in Union” would be embarrassed at the company they keep. Keep safe Rev! Everyone else keep the heid!

  237. galamcennalath says:

    call me dave says:

    Woman (English voice) in Asda said ” Woold shotage”.

    We’ve all done it, taken the piss out of the English for not pronouncing their r.

    Recently, I discovered that this is actually quite intentional. In fact, English people are taught to do this in elocution ie. the skill of clear and expressive speech, especially of distinct pronunciation and articulation.

    One of the easiest rules to learn when studying British English pronunciation is that of the silent r. It really is very simple:

    Only say an r when it appears before a vowel sound.
    Never say an r when it appears before a consonant or at the end of a word.

    Weird, or what?

  238. Alex says:

    With Luck Scotland in Union will be the official No campaign and we can all have fun posting their disgusting tweets everywhere. The BBC cannot block them all if we send in thousands.

    As to WM trying to abolish Holyrood, I suspect that will trigger UDI before they can get the motion to repeal the Scotland Act through Parliament. Not to mention that abolishing Parliaments sets a bad precedent that could be used against WM in future.

    But joined up thinking is not a Tory specialty.

  239. call me dave says:


    Jings! 🙂

  240. Ian Foulds says:

    We all appreciate what actually goes on with Union supporters and their invective, whilst they blame Independence supporters for such behaviour.

    However, the majority of Scottish people are unaware of such shenanigans, the like of which the Rev is being subjected.

    How can this kind of behaviour be brought to the attention of the Scottish people, if this kind of news is not broadcast by the usual suspects in the media?

    If this information is made known it must surely help our cause.

  241. K1 says:

    Veyy interesting to hear that gala.

    So sounds more like ‘Wold shotage’

    We’re discussing it here, partner had elocution lessons when they were wee. Recalls this specific rule and having to unlearn their Scottish ‘r’s. And In fact took the ‘r’s’ right oot them.

    Breaking: only for two years, got their ‘r’s’ handed back tae them on thier return tae Scotland.

  242. Macbeda says:

    gallamcennalath @ 6:25pm

    Should last sentence not be wee’d or wot?

  243. CameronB Brodie says:

    As your focus of interest has been one of fascist authoritarianism, perhaps you have overlooked the intellectual forces that have kept it in check, so far? Perhaps that is also why you appear remote from contemporary Scottish experience and history.

    The history of Britain is dead; long live a global history of Britain


    I propose a global history of modern Britain around an account of the rise, demise and reinvention of a liberal political economy that reified the market as the organising principle of government. It is a story that is inseparable from the growth and collapse of the British Empire, as well as the continuing, if precarious, global hegemony of the Anglosphere. The liberal political economy that germinated within the British Empire may have had a world system built around it, but events, processes and peoples far beyond the Anglosphere shaped the history of its rise, demise and reinvention. This history of Britain is then a global story, not because of that old imperial conceit that Britain made the world, but because the world made Britain.

    This article has been peer reviewed.

    In the early twentieth century, the life philosophy of Henri Bergson summoned the élan vital, or vital force, as the source of creative evolution. Bergson also appealed to intuition, which focused on experience rather than discursive thought and scientific cognition. Particularly influential for the literary and political Négritude movement of the 1930s, which opposed French colonialism, Bergson’s life philosophy formed an appealing alternative to Western modernity, decried as “mechanical,” and set the stage for later developments in postcolonial theory and vitalist discourse.

  244. Smallaxe says:

    Poor “R” soles

    Peace Always


  245. galamcennalath says:


    An epiphany! That’s why arse sometimes gets pronounced ass!

  246. yesindyref2 says:

    “r” in English English is largely silent, but is used to change the sound of a preceding vowel. So for instance “world” starts whir, whereas “wold” starts wo as in “wand”, though stricly speaking “wand” should have the a pronouced as in wan or the derivatives of “wan”.

    Similar for “arse” which without the r would be ase as in pohsh (silent h) vase or a as in maze, though more generally vase is actually pronounced varz, whereas vaz would be pronounced vaz as in gas.

  247. Smallaxe says:


    I fink you may be cowwect!

    Peace Always

  248. Marie Clark says:

    See from the Rev’s twitter account that he has been spending some time with the local constabulary this afternoon. Good.

    Stay safe Rev, we need you.

  249. Valerie says:

    Think about this from a safe distance.

    Who in possession of adequate faculties generates this much demented hatred sitting in front of their screen, THEN condenses that hatred into a post, about people THEY DONT KNOW?

    Unhinged is the word I used, because this behaviour is far from normal. There are plenty of things I’m angry about on the road to supporting independence, but I’m not crazed enough to indulge in behaviour like this.

    I believe Rev has reported the actionable posts, as most of us advocated at the time of sharing on his timeline.

    This is part of – what kind of country do you want?

    Take control, REPORT, REPORT then block. Do not engage, because you wouldn’t in real-life. Their nightmare is being faced with no audience, they are self important narcissists, that are convinced they have to impose their vileness on the rest of us.

    There are only 2 people in the posts I don’t know of, the others will make a point of targeting you on a thread, and tag in their pals to pile on.

    Don’t indulge them, I have blocked them.

  250. heedtracker says:

    Murdo Fraser ?@murdo_fraser 2h2 hours ago

    Let me put this as simply as I can:
    You had your referendum.
    You lost.
    Now shut up
    – and sort out the mess you’ve made of Scotland

  251. heedtracker says:

    That was my Slovene girlfriend RTing me. Like Murdo, hardly anyone voted for him last time either. They both may be plants.

    Adam Tomkins MSP Retweeted
    Willie Rennie ?@willie_rennie Feb 13

    Willie Rennie Retweeted Duncan Hothersall
    Well said Murdo

  252. Liz g says:

    RE… Helping to convince more of our pensioners that Indy Scotland’s a better place to live,how about a new Saturday night prime time show just for them.

    ………PIMP MY ZIMMER…….

    What say you Handshrimp????

  253. Lochside says:

    Rev, you have my total admiration for your courage in face of deranged self loathing little Brit Shits vitriol. Like many on here, I hope you report the serious threats by these loathsome cowards to the police. The bam with the ‘tooled up’ threat should definitely get a knock at the door.

    ‘Prof’ Stephenson is a disgrace to her University and to her profession and sounds as if she needs serious psychiatric help. Gallagher, Harrison and Torrance and the rest are disgusting agent provocateurs…remember the latter vomited up the ‘Ulsterisation of Scotland’ meme.
    ‘King Billy’ Fullerton and his orange thugs seguedronically this ‘loyal’ from pape hating scum into blackshirt left/jew baiters back in the thirties.Ironically this ‘loyal’numbskull ended up being questioned as a potential ("Tractor" - Ed) on outbreak of ww2. His modern descendants, no more evolved than he was, turned up a couple of times at Indy Ref in George Sq. And like jackals hung around too yellow to make a move on the joyous celebratory diverse YES people thronging the Sq. Only on the night of our defeat did they organise…online…with a blind eye from the authorities and the media.. and descended on the sparse YES youth in the Sq. to intimidate young lassies and defile our National flag.

    They were organised then by shadowy figures…who were never arrested for incitement to riot. And they will try again. We must ensure that our police…and our police only.. handle them. I don’t doubt it anyway. Your average YES supporter is the general Scottish citizen…peaceful, happy and optimistic unlike these self loathing troglodytes.

  254. According to unionists English taxpayers subsidise Scotland. I don’t think that’s fair. Please throw us out of the union.

  255. Hermodr says:

    Murdo, literally telling all Yes voters and, probably a fair few No voters deeply concerned about Brexit, to “shut up”. Keep ’em coming!

  256. Fran says:

    Crazy mental dangerous people.

    They would drag us back to the 17th century if they could. A tolerant Scotland is not what they wish for, in or out of the union.

    Their way or no way, by any means. We can all be in rags, starving and the country in ashes as long as its still ruled from London. Westminster protects them, but from what? An era that is clouded in the mists of history, long gone and dead.

    They cant see that if the union was fair and just then this “evil” of independence that haunts their dreams would never had manifested itself.

  257. woosie says:

    Windy-licking yoonatics all, of course. But how can we be surprised? We know what drives them; apparent safety in numbers. The only guys who ran around in gangs when I was young were the ones who were scared to go out on their own. Those who repeat the orange odour version of history just can’t think on their own.

    How many orange walks end in a congenial game of chess?

    I’m increasingly convinced that there should be limited or no indyref 2 movement. Our figures rise every time this kind of pish hits the air!

    Remember; a postal vote is a no vote!

  258. Karmanaut says:

    This manages to be hilarious and chilling at the same time. Wonder what they’ll do after we’ve won indyref 2 and Scotland becomes independent.

  259. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    @ Galamcennalath:

    Only say an r when it appears before a vowel sound.
    Never say an r when it appears before a consonant or at the end of a word.”

    How should ‘Rhotacism’ be pronounced, then? :\

  260. john young says:

    We only have a window of around 10% to work on as the O/order tory unionists will never ever budge and are better ignored,we need to get those dis-affected labour supporters onboard.

  261. Fran says:



    ( tried to copy and paste your 1st paragraph but wouldn’t let me, wings not responding it said)

    I can only imagine the abuse the Rev gets and other main faces of the Yes movement.

    Insubordination to the uk state will not be tolerated.

  262. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    That wasn’t rhetorical.

  263. yesindyref2 says:

    These are twitter extremists, safe at home, encouraged by the language of Davidson the Tory who uses military analogies in her speeches. Davison should be censured by her party, unless they want everyone to think they condone it.

    But they represent a tiny minute part of even normal firm NO voters, who would condemn them – and have done – just as much as we would. Only the extremists would keep quiet or actively support it, though some do by still linking to them. Much as the supporters of the misogynist Spanner.

  264. Dek says:

    This vile aggression is not a new phenomenon. Hayakawa- in his great work ” Language in thought and action” offers this quote :

    ” once we have cast another group in the role of the enemy, we know that they are to be distrusted – that they are evil incarnate. We then twist all their communications to fit our belief. ”

    For them it does not pay to be subtle.They cannot acknowledge that the people they are inciting violence against are fellow citizens with differing views as to what is good for the Scotland.

    Trust the sane majority to reject the haters who have no positive vision to offer.

  265. Fran says:


    Murdo has his elections and keeps losing but that doesn’t shut him up.

    What’s good for the goose

  266. Robert Graham says:

    Maybe just maybe ( oh christ braveheart again ) ha ha anyway I wonder if these staunch supporters of this long gone Union , believe they are being treated differently from the rest of us , they seem to have missed the point where are all treated like shit but they cant see it , oh dear blind and deaf poor souls , cant see whats going on and they picked the wrong side , oh dear never mind .

  267. heedtracker says:

    yesindyref2 s

    “Only the extremists would keep quiet or actively support it, though some do by still linking to them. Much as the supporters of the misogynist Spanner.”

    Prof Jill is now a hootsman anti indy columnist. They must that desperate.

    “I have always been proud of being Scottish. And Scottish is what I am. My parents and grandparents and their parents were all born in Scotland, and all lived their lives in Scotland.

  268. galamcennalath says:

    Reluctant Nationalist says:

    How should ‘Rhotacism’ be pronounced, then?

    In the Scots manner, of course 🙂

  269. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    Wise man once say: don’t smile at yoon or he’ll threaten to fuckin kill you.

  270. Dorothy Devine says:

    Gallamcennalath, but you have forgotten the intrusive ‘r’ as in ‘dramar’ ‘Americar’ – all part of BBBC pronunciation.

  271. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi yesindyref2 at 7:36 pm.

    You typed,
    “But they represent a tiny minute part of even normal firm NO voters, who would condemn them – and have done – just as much as we would.”

    The way things panned out in 2014, I believe there was a “silent majority” who were swithering between YES and NO and, when it came to the 18th September, after all the propaganda, ‘love bombing’ and “The Vow”, voted NO.

    In indyref2, I think the ‘silent majority’ will be those who voted NO in 2014, have seen the writing on the wall (great Scottish band!), and will quietly, without fanfare, vote YES.

  272. Liz g says:

    Karmanaut @ 7.27
    What I suspect they will do after the Yes vote,is to try and continue to campaign for, as they would see it reunification.
    How credible that Campaign would be will probably depend on the size of our win
    But that’s not to say the notion would ever completely go away.
    That’s why I would argue that we have to address it in our new Constution.
    To protect our Soverenty as best we can from any future vested interests.
    It doesn’t have to be an anti Democratic article,that could be portrayed as such..
    But something simple like…..Any Union entered into by Scotland must be ratified every 10/20/25/50 years,by a people’s vote or it will be automatically void.
    That way we would never be locked in like this ever again.

  273. Iain More says:

    I only see the Scotland hating Yoons getting more hysterical and even more rabid. I only see their political master in Westmidden getting more and more desperate. I only see the Brit Nat Press and Media whipping up the Yoon mob more and more. The BBC and Brexit Britannia TV Aberdeen will do whit they are telt by their British masters if they know what is good for them.

  274. sandycraig says:


    One thing that get’s up my nose all the time is when our main stream newsreaders pronounce “law and order” as “lawr and order”.

  275. gerry parker says:

    “My big fear is that Scotland will turn into Northern Ireland of the 70’s if we get independence.”

    So what is causing your fear and who is feeding it?

    The only thing to fear is fear itself.

    We will be independent soon,then all your fears will be revealed as groundless.

  276. Robert Graham says:

    Reluctant Nationalist ha ha excellent post laughed out loud ha ha, Then i heard the news in the background Tories question the final cost of the baby boxes , my initial grunt was Oh F/off and crawl under a rock yah scumbags .

  277. Ian Foulds says:

    Heed tracker at 2.24pm,

    Sorry, I didn’t need my zimmer yesterday when I ran to the Kelpies and back – distance 17.17km and over 65.

    Kind regards, Ian

  278. Wull says:

    Jill Stephenson was Professor of Modern German History at Edinburgh University. From her list of publications it seems clear that her research concentrated on the Third Reich. She also seems to have had a special emphasis on what women did, or what happened to women, during that tragic and awful period of German history.

    It seems very strange that an academic of her apparent standing should have such an unbalanced view of contemporary Scotland. Not just unbalanced but, judging by the quotes given in the article, unhinged. Are historians the most reliable commentators on contemporary events?

    They could be, of course, but there is no guarantee. Even Tom Devine always used to refuse to answer questions about what might happen next, pointing out that his field of study was the past, not the future.

    Historians’ opinions about what is happening now, never mind the future, are not necessarily any more illuminating, or any wiser, than anyone else’s.

    I have never read any of Jill Stephenson’s books or articles, but I have no reason to doubt that she is fully competent in her own field. They presumably shed much light on her chosen subject.
    An expertise in the Third Reich, however, does not give her any special competence in regard to the contemporary situation in Scotland, even if she is from here, or lives here.

    It might even do the contrary.

    If her imagined world is full of Hitler’s Germany, what has that got to do with today’s Scotland? If she pays attention to current reality, she will see that Scottish nationalism is seriously dissimilar from the German nationalism of Hitler’s time. Totally different, in fact.

    Where there might be some resemblance – though we should be wary, and not press the analogy too far – is with True Brit / Brit First / extreme UKIP type of nationalism (and in that same vein – alas! – the OO remnant in Scotland to whom post-truth Ruth seems constantly to be flagging up signs, and making appeal).

    But anti-Nazi Jill (and I am sure she is anti-) does not see this. I honestly wonder why. Must be suffereing from an illusion of some kind …

    Of course, Jill is as entitled as anyone else to her point of view. But you would expect her to voice it in measured tones, with due academic objectivity. And what should always be borne in mind is that her opinion, even if it were moderately expressed, is no more ‘expert’ on the contemporary topic than that of any ordinary punter, like you or me or whoever.

    Historians could have excellent insights into the present or future, just as you or I could, but their discipline does not as such equip them for that. They are even in danger of projecting what they do genuinely know about the past onto a present or a future concerning which they know very little, thereby getting it all terribly wrong.

    The use of the ‘professorial’ title by Jill, or those who write about her, is in no way inadmissible – she has earned it. However, the media tend to apply such titles in a way that is dubious all the same.

    They mention that someone is a Professor to pull the wool over the eyes of ordinary punters. It is a way of pretending that the opinion of the person concerned has some kind of extra authority, when it hasn’t. And that readers like you and I should pay special attention to that opinion, when we shouldn’t.

    They do not even tell you what she’s a Professor of – ‘Modern German History’, alias ‘The Third Reich’ – because if they did, that would indicate immediately that she has no special competence to speak on contemporary Scottish affairs. Their message is: she’s a Professor so you – little man! or woman! – should shut up and listen.

    I don’t think most Scots are so ready to doff their caps or tug their forelocks to such supposed expertise. We’ll dispute with anyone. Thankfully!

    Sometimes some – not all – historians may live too much, and too intensely, in the particular period and particular matter that they study. If they don’t watch out, they will begin to see what they are studying everywhere around them. In normal parlance, that’s called ‘hallucinating’!

    Maybe – I don’t know, but maybe – our Jill is an example of this. (If you don’t like the ‘our’, well, bear in mind that she must be somebody’s …) More to be pitied than anything else …

    She is living proof that the hallucinations arising from looking at Scotland through the prism of the Third Reich are an affliction you would not wish your worst enemy to suffer from.

    As I said, more to be pitied … An illusion is an affliction, like living a nightmare …

    Have pity!

  279. Smallaxe says:

    liz g:

    And here I thought that you were a good friend of mine. “Pimp my Zimmer” indeed.I drive a 2015 twin turbo BMW sports.

    I’ve got a good mind to leave you at the bus stop if I see you!

    Peace Always My Dear Friend

  280. Cactus says:

    Do they look funny?
    Do they taste funny?
    Do they feel funny?
    Do they sound funny?
    Do they smell funny?

    Nae fear!

    No never, no more, 20:17 😉

    Mon the Bikers!

  281. EddieM says:

    The threats should have been passed to Police Scotland …..still time to do it

  282. Rock says:

    They have concluded that this blog is making a significant contribution towards a possible Yes victory.

    Unlike a regular poster on this site:


    “Rock, whatever you’re up to on WoS, listen up, the author of Wings over Scotland is not the messiah and he’s not going to win ref 2.”


    “If anyone can tip the balance in favour of winning, it is this site and its author.”

    (From “A division of principles”)

  283. heedtracker says:

    SUN says,

    EXECS UP BEEB PAY Top BBC bosses Anne Bulford and Charlotte Moore see salaries rise by ten per cent
    The deputy director general’s salary rose to £435,000
    BY JACK LING 10th February 2017, 1:15 am

    Presumably all new and exciting Donaldo Mac is also in line for a juicy pay rise too. Have they had on assorted roasters like Jill yet? Kevin Hague’s a regular, or used to be, again probably reflecting a paucity of yoon culture sanity ready to go on telly and shoot from the hip.

  284. Tom Kane says:

    Stu, all the other stuff aside, stay safe. You’re a gem… Scotland hasn’t produced your kind of forensic, funny, political writing in a generation… Maybe a couple…

    Good luck with the police. I am sure they will act on those remarks… And Bath is brilliant… That said, so is Edinburgh. It really is. All public bus services and tourists from all over the world… And fabulous optimism… When you’re ready… Come home.

  285. galamcennalath says:

    Wull says:

    Jill … does not see this

    Perhaps she suffers from a trait with is very common in British Nationalists – they can never be persuaded that they are actually nationalists!

    They see their world view as the default and therefore ‘not in need of nationalism’. Nationalism is something other folks have when they deviate from this norm.

    Even the great George Orwell seemed totally blind to his own British Nationalism and wrote at length how it afflicted others.

    Jill is probably in complete denial about her own fanatical nationalism.

  286. heedtracker says:

    Rock says:
    13 February, 2017 at 8:19 pm
    They have concluded that this blog is making a significant contribution towards a possible Yes victory.

    Unlike a regular poster on this site:


    I am more than delighted to be wrong Rock. How are you going to pull everyone into and down your dead end of squabbles about nothing.

  287. Liz g says:

    Aw Smallaxe…We both know you won’t leave me at the bus stop… Mrs Smallaxe wouldn’t let you…
    Anyhoo I would imagine that you would have the groovyest zimmer in town….To loan out to others in need of it ofcourse.

    Stay healthy my friend and look after our dear Mrs Smallaxe X

  288. yesindyref2 says:

    @Dek “Hayakawa- in his great work ” Language in thought and action” ”

    If that book had been standard reading in schools in Scotland even since Devolution, and students encouraged to ask their parents to help them understand it, Scotland would be propaganda proof, politician proof and Independent.

    Hopefully, and it might be NO hysteria that convinces them.

  289. Deaths in Northern Ireland 1969-2010
    Civilian 1879
    British Security 1117
    Republican Paramilitary 399
    Loyalist Paramilitary 162
    Irish Security 11
    Total deaths 3568
    The Shankill Road bombing was a terrorist attack carried out by the Provisional IRA on 23 October 1993 and is one of the most notorious incidents of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. The IRA’s intention was to assassinate Protestants who were Shopping in Frizzell’s fish shop on Shankill Road, Belfast. Two IRA members were to enter the shop disguised as deliverymen, then force the customers out at gunpoint and plant a time bomb with a short fuse. However, when the IRA members entered the shop with the bomb, it exploded prematurely. One of the IRA members was killed along with nine Protestant civilians. More than fifty people were wounded.
    The Shankill Butchers was an Ulster loyalist gang—many of whom were members of the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)—that was active between 1975 and 1982 in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Based in the Shankill area it was responsible for the deaths of at least 23 people, most of whom were killed in sectarian attacks. The gang was notorious for kidnapping and murdering random Catholic and suspected Catholic civilians; each was beaten ferociously and had his throat hacked with a butcher’s knife. Some were also tortured and attacked with a hatchet. The gang also killed six Ulster Protestants over personal disputes, and two other Protestants mistaken for Catholics. Most of the gang were eventually caught and, in February 1979, received the longest combined prison sentences in United Kingdom legal history. However, gang leader Lenny Murphy and his two chief “lieutenants” escaped prosecution. Murphy was killed in November 1982 by the Provisional IRA, likely acting with loyalist paramilitaries who perceived him as a threat.[1] The Butchers brought a new level of paramilitary violence to a country already hardened by death and destruction.[2] The judge who oversaw the 1979 trial described their crimes as “a lasting monument to blind sectarian bigotry”.
    Yet we have Project Fear 2 warning of Unionist ‘backlash’ here if we were to democratically opt for Self Determination at the ballot box. Let’s terrify the pensioners again.
    Despite the proximity of Northern Ireland, and the ever present Celtic Rangers tension, the bloody carnage of Northern Ireland has rarely touched these shores.
    Certainly there has been sometimes fatal violence associated with the Old Firm.

    Mark Scott was the victim of an unprovoked attack as he walked through Bridgeton Cross whilst returning from the Celtic – Partick Thistle game on 17th October, 1995.. He died on the street and his murder became the main impetus for the establishment of the charity ‘Nil by Mouth’
    What kind of hatred and filth gushes through the minds of Unionists when they threaten violence and attempt to usurp Scottish democracy by threatening to close down our Parliament and forcing ‘Direct Rule’ from Westminster?
    Perhaps the Historywoman, an expert on all things Nazi, wishes to emulate the Burning of the Reichstag in 1933.
    Hitler blamed the Commies, asked for and received from President Hindenburg the Reichstag Fire Decree, signed into law by Hindenburg using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany, including habeas corpus, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the right of free association and public assembly, the secrecy of the post and telephone .
    Many historians claim that the fire was a false flag operation by Hitler’s Thugs, to purge Communists from Parliament.
    Perhaps this deluded Septuagenarian emirita professor hopes that by symbolically ‘burning’ Holyrood, Westminster would be free to do what it likes to us rebellious Scots?
    The threat of violence has certainly been ratcheted up by politicians, Dead Tree Scrollers, the broadcasters, the seemingly limitless list of Yoon Professors, and the vile Yoonats listed on WoS site today.
    Torrance and his Ulsterisation nonsense, Davidson predicting fratricide, the poisonous Sectarianism of Professor WATP Adam Tomkins, The Queen’s Eleven Murdo Fraser, and James Kelly, Champion of Scrapping the OBF laws to pander to his beloved Green Brigade, would have Scotland descend into the carnage that was visited upon the poor citizens of Northern Ireland?
    But only if we vote Yes. If we vote No, we Yessers are such civilised docile folk, that peace would be restored immediately.
    They disgust me to the core. They insult the good people of Scotland, and Northern Ireland, with their ominous sabre rattling imperialist shit.
    Do they really believe that society would break down after a Yes vote? They are evil rabble rousers at best, or must seek immediate psychiatric help at worst.
    I apologise for the length of this, but the graphic description of the’Troubles’ may be new to some readers.

  290. joannie says:

    Correction to the above post – the Shankhill road bomb was aimed at the leadership of the UFF, who were holding a meeting in room above the chip shop, and not at Protestant shoppers. The bomb was supposed to go off after a warning had been given to clear the shop but something went wrong and it blew up while it was being planted, killing one of the two bombers and nine innocent people, including a three year old girl.

    An awful tragedy.

  291. Robert Peffers says:

    @Fran says: 13 February, 2017 at 7:35 pm:

    “( tried to copy and paste your 1st paragraph but wouldn’t let me, wings not responding it said)”

    Refresh the page, Fran. If that doesn’t work turn of your router and then turn it back on again.

    Or simply wait a few moments.

  292. Liz g says:

    Gerry Parker 8.07
    Don’t know if this is/was a common experience but as a child, I can vividly remember being at a religious service with my parents in the lead up to the 79 vote,where the very definite advice from the pulpit was…. Don’t vote for devolution,or what’s happening in Ireland (N) will happen here!
    This sparked me to ask what was happening in Ireland,that’s why I remember it.
    So if this was a common piece of advice that may explain why some have that concern even today!

  293. Bob MACK says:

    The guy above that threatened the Rev with being “sorted” is a 78 year old retired businessman who lives in Edinburgh. Ex forces Masonic lodge, Raf medical corps.

    Guess the union just makes them loony Yoonies.

  294. CameronB Brodie says:

    galamcennalath & Wull
    This article addressees the formation of British nationalism, and might be of interest as it interpenetrates contemporary Britain as the product of proto-fascist forces, presumably unsealed through the Acts of Union. That’s my interpretation, anyway.

    The history of Britain is dead; long live a global history of Britain


    I propose a global history of modern Britain around an account of the rise, demise and reinvention of a liberal political economy that reified the market as the organising principle of government. It is a story that is inseparable from the growth and collapse of the British Empire, as well as the continuing, if precarious, global hegemony of the Anglosphere. The liberal political economy that germinated within the British Empire may have had a world system built around it, but events, processes and peoples far beyond the Anglosphere shaped the history of its rise, demise and reinvention. This history of Britain is then a global story, not because of that old imperial conceit that Britain made the world, but because the world made Britain.

    This article has been peer reviewed.*

    * It may be peer reviewed but I thought the author’s disciple was a bit lax, when referring to “Britain” before 1707. That’s furreigners for you, I suppose. 🙂

  295. heedtracker says:

    Rancid Graun now, with their violent word choice selection. Its sad to see once important newspapers leaping into their own sewer. Anything to stop Scottish democracy.

    Frances Perraudin

    Monday 13 February 2017 18.38 GMT

    Scottish Tories accuse SNP of seeking to weaponise Brexit vote

    Ruth Davidson says nationalists have been ‘cranking up the grievance machine’ in hope of new independence bid

  296. Cactus says:

    Mon ra polis!

    Sort it out.


  297. CameronB Brodie says:

    I really need to get to Speck…..

  298. fionn says:

    Keep doing what you do. Every death threat should remind you why it’s important that you keep speaking out. I for one will never be caught using paragraph breaks.

  299. Rock says:

    This was my advice to the Rev. Stuart Campbell a few months before the referendum:

    “Remember that you are now the 2nd biggest threat to the Establishment and they will do everything in their power to get you.

    My advice to you would be to move to Iceland – NOW – and carry on your work from there.”

    Last time they didn’t think they were going to lose and didn’t unleash the black arts brigade.

    This time they definitely will.

    For the sake of Scottish independence, the Rev. Stuart Campbell should move to a secret location outside the UK very quickly.

  300. Alastair says:

    Really pisses me off bloody foreigners coming into a country, milking what they can take from it, not respecting or integrating into the local culture, staunchly using their own language, forming ghettos, thinking they are superior, using, stealing resources and disrupting local infrastructure and causing a backlash of civil unrest, violence, death and subversion.
    2/3 generations ago the Brittish Empire in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji, Western Samoa, India, Burma, Papa New Guinea, Malaya, Sarawak, Brunei, Oman, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Northern and Southern Rhodesia, Tanganyika, Zanzibar, Mauritius, the Maldives, South Africa, Swaziland, Nigeria, Gold Coast, and Sierra Leone.

  301. heedtracker says:

    For the sake of Scottish independence, the Rev. Stuart Campbell should move to a secret location outside the UK very quickly.

    Maybe every YES voter should do that Rock. Dickhead.

  302. Bob MACK says:

    A little warning that when you post such rubbish as Mr Neish above on twitter, the danger is someone will know who you are.

    I am informed he is a 78 year old retired businessman, ex RAF wing Commander (v) medical unit, a Mason, and lives in affluent Edinburgh. I won’t give location.

    Chapter and verse. He couldn’t shoot heroin never mind the Rev.

  303. Robert Peffers says:

    @sandycraig says: 13 February, 2017 at 8:00 pm:

    “One thing that get’s up my nose all the time is when our main stream newsreaders pronounce “law and order” as “lawr and order”.”

    I always hear that as, “lawr and orda”.”

    By chance I came across a tweet from a USA School pupil while searching for a history item. She was tweeting about her History teacher’s pronunciation. she admired the teacher but complianed about her English pronunciation :- “Chesta Artha, Hitla the Fuhra, Lawr and Orda, saliver, draculer, paraphenalier, etc.”

  304. Phronesis says:

    A very wise and learned historian who survived a very turbulent and dangerous time in history wrote;

    ‘History is not a recipe book; past events are never replicated in the present in quite the same way. Historical events are infinitely variable and their interpretations are a constantly shifting process. There are no certainties to be found in the past…We can learn from history how past generations thought and acted, how they responded to the demands of their time and how they solved their problems. We can learn by analogy, not by example, for our circumstances will always be different than theirs were. The main thing history can teach us is that human actions have actions and that certain choices, once made, cannot be undone. They foreclose the possibility of making other choices and thus they determine future events’

    (Lerner G 1997 Why History Matters)

    Scotland is at a pivotal moment in its history. Having learned much from Indyref1 and recognising the democratic deficit and the lack of attention given to Scotland’s aspiration at WM (having given WM the benefit of the doubt) Scotland will make the appropriate choice in Indyref2 that befits the destiny of a progressive democracy.

    What does this generation really want to say to future generations of citizens who will regard themselves as Scots?
    -That we wanted consign you to the precariat class, served by a broken economic system and abusive political class, isolated from Europe and reviled for destroying decades of progress on human rights because only a very few in society are deemed worthy of power and influence? Or does this generation want to convey a different message at the ballot box.

    Gangsta style tweets are a peculiar way to communicate your argument for Scotland staying tethered to UKOK even if you are absolutely convinced of your argument. But despite the threat and intent they don’t quite have the hook of 50 Cent. And despite the apoplectic rage by certain individuals expressed about the inevitable Indyref 2 and the inevitable turn towards independence – the YES movement only needs 51 per cent.

  305. Alastair says:

    Re Rennie.
    We had Wiki leaks.
    Now we have Willie leaks.

  306. Big Jock says:

    Anyone smell shite? Well you know when the BBC have ex MP turned Seer Hothersal, commenting on Indi ref 2. That they are trying to create a false dichotomy where we are back in 2012.

    Yes BBC are going to use the same people and the same falsehoods. Get ready for Smith and Co to be flown back from London. Watch Gary Robertson become an invertebrate again.

    Too small, too poor, to racist, too reliant on London…that’s Pacific Quay not Scotland!

  307. ScottieDog says:

    Folks ,
    I think this relevant video really sums up the power of the western establishment to obfuscate the true wealth of a nation and use any form of disruption and brutality to remove that wealth.

    Very powerful TEDX talk by a very softly spoken lady called Mallence Bart Williams of Sierra Leone..

  308. joannie @8.44 pm
    I thought the post was long enough. IMHO it matters not that the intended victims were fellow terrorists. It is the level of psychopathic violence during the 31 year Reign of Terror which I attempt to illustrate.
    Torrance and Davidson are predicting/ threatening the same descent into Haedes here, if we vote Yes. But if we vote No, things will carry on as normal. Absolute nonsense of course.
    They are bordering on madness and murder lust, the Loon Yoons.

  309. sandycraig says:

    Robert P 9.12

    Aye Robert and they say they canny understaund us.

    I was once in company with a couple from Nottingham when at my wife’s cousin’s house. Cousins were from Aberdeen but bonny speakers. Me am fae the East Neuk so you can imagine the problems.

    I’ve been in many places in England but their accent nearly had me beat.
    It was a stressful couple o days, for us all I think.

  310. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    Rev time to act quickly now before they get you. Get Elon Musk to launch you into space so you can conduct bizness from the moon. But remember not to give your moon address to anyone as you can’t be too careful.

  311. joannie says:

    @Jack Collatin – their threats are sinister, and I’m not saying they couldn’t cause some trouble, but the idea that they could recreate the Northern Ireland Troubles in Scotland is ridiculous. For one thing they would need the Scottish police to turn a blind eye or actively collude in loyalist violence. I don’t think that would happen in Scotland.

    The modern PSNI in NI wouldn’t even allow that in this day and age, still less Police Scotland.

  312. Big Jock says:

    Can we do a crowdfunder for the Rev and put him up in secret bunker somewhere in Finland.

  313. Wull says:

    Many thanks to Cameron B Brodie at 8:55 pm and
    galamcennalath at 8.24.

    I haven’t read the article yet, Cameron, but am almost certain to agree with your critique. It’s probably just an indication of who the ‘peers’ were … or at least tells us something about their own historical bias / assumptions / ignorance, even!

    Some, who don’t actually read the Treaty or think it doesn’t matter anyway, continue to presume that what happened in 1707 was the accomplishment of Edward I’s designs on Scotland, 400 years beforehand. Which is nonsense. Even (incredibly) some (so-called) historians …

    Well, not as incredible as all that. Most Unionists don’t even know what the Union they purport to love and support actually is.

    I am sure you are right, galamcennalath. Those who misjudge others as badly as Jill seems to do, or project onto them all kinds of things that have nothing to do with them, are unlikely to have much self-knowledge. The faults they see so readily in others might just be a projection outwards of their own, to which they are blind.

    I seem to remember an old saying about busybodies with logs in their own eyes getting all worked up about the splinters they think they see in the eyes of others.

    The thing about illusions is that those who suffer from them really do see them – and they think they’re real. Poor souls! It must be like having the DT’s …

    As you say, galamcennalath, the Brit Nats really don’t know themselves.

    And if you don’t know yourself, you probably don’t know anything much about anyone at all.

    To be pitied, really.

    So what’s going to happen to people like this after independence wins the day?

    Who’s got the power to open other people’s een?

    Maybe scales will fall from eyes, come the day (or soon after it). Let’s hope so, for Scotland’s sake.

    I have to sign off now – thanks again to both.

  314. Sandy says:

    Ask an englisher to spell “drawing”.

  315. heedtracker says:

    Big Jock says:
    13 February, 2017 at 9:39 pm
    Can we do a crowdfunder for the Rev and put him up in secret bunker somewhere in Finland.

    With Santa?

  316. Rock says:


    “For the sake of Scottish independence, the Rev. Stuart Campbell should move to a secret location outside the UK very quickly.”


    “Maybe every YES voter should do that Rock. Dickhead.”

    “Dickhead” is the one who doesn’t see the difference between an ordinary YES voter and the author of a powerful pro-independence blog that is demolishing unionist lies day in and day out, hence the serious threats to him.

    Your comments prove beyond doubt that you have no faith in this blog or its author:


    “Rock, whatever you’re up to on WoS, listen up, the author of Wings over Scotland is not the messiah and he’s not going to win ref 2.”

  317. heedtracker says:


    “Rock, whatever you’re up to on WoS, listen up, the author of Wings over Scotland is not the messiah and he’s not going to win ref 2.”

    We get it. You’re trying to “blacken the political mood” Rock. If its not starting scraps and FUD, its full on mood blackening. Good luck with all that, who ever and where ever you are. You’re still a dickhead.

  318. BBC Scotland Tells Lies says:

    I wonder if this slogan is a goer for Theresa and Ruthie in their quest to re start the Empire:

    “Make Britain English Again”

    It has a certain ring to it don’t you think?


  319. Liz g says:

    Jack Collatin @ 9.22 & Joannie @ 8.44
    I have read that part of the reason that the “Trouble’s” were able to be kept going for so long so easily,was because the housing schemes were already segregated and were built that way.
    Scotland is in that respect very integrated and it’s a lot harder to plot to harm people that you live beside.
    So while I think the establishment will stir a bit to see if they gain any traction I doubt if they would have anything like the success they had in Ireland.
    Also if the Scottish government had any sense they would quickly integrate the school’s,which would remove the othering done by segregation age 5,ditto for N.Ireland by the way, although I do admit that I am ignorant of the real situation there and may be seeing it too simply,but I can look at the Jim Crow law’s and call them out as stupid,and, I honestly see no difference in the segregated schools here and in N Ireland.

  320. Effijy says:

    Lord Willetts announces that UK Pensioners are supposedly better off than the younger generation in work.

    Now with the Rev’s free educational course on UK Media, we automatically know that the headline is a lie.

    What is established is that even though labour’s advice to opt out of SERPS was a disaster, even though Gordon Brown took £10 Billion from private pensions by moving the goal posts, he also ended final salary pensions, and even though the UK pension is the 4th worst in the E.U. the ordinary working man’s disposable income is now so BAD here in Tory Britain that a bad UK pension is to be considered better than average employment salaries?

    Pensioners are not well off and the average working man is in his 9th year of Tory Austerity and facing another 9 years of it at least.

    Of course a £Millionaire Tory Lord would know all about how to live off £14o per week, with your local bank, Post Office, and shops all closed and your bus service discontinued.

    Anyway the pensioners have the double digit increases on their heating Bills to look forward to and a 15% rise in Food coming from outside the UK.

    Wonder if they will afford US Corporation Health Charges?

    Everything is set up nicely now to cut pensions and winter fuel allowances. Your caring sharing Tory B******s.

  321. Hamish100 says:

    personally better things to do than worry if someone rounds their “r’s”.

    Are we gearing up INDY 2 Campaign.

    YES for Scotland
    YES for Young Adults
    YES for Local Government
    YES for Farmers
    Yes for Pensions
    Yes for renewables
    Yes to removing Nuclear Weapons

  322. Liz g says:

    Big Jock @ 9.39
    I think we can only send the Rev to the bunker in Finland if we first send a Winger over to check it out and guard it indefinitely.
    Any idear who??

    Any way now the thread has gone into the Twilight Zone……… Again……
    I’ll say goodnight everyone.

  323. CameronB Brodie says:

    Heedtracker is correct, the Rev. won’t speak to every Scottish voter. That’s our job.

    I also appreciate you get it tight and I don’t think that healthy for this blog.

    I’m going to get all up myself and remind folk that love creates space for the respect of difference and ultimately aids tolerance and peace through the inclusion of all. 🙂

  324. joannie says:

    Actually its a lot easier to plot harm against people you live beside. That’s why Protestants and Catholics tended to live in areas surrounded by their own in NI – safer that way. Its also why Catholics were extremely reluctant to join the security forces, even if they hated the IRA, they were too vulnerable to attack.

    I don’t agree with you about education either, but that’s a row for another day. The reason Scotland can’t be turned into NI is because, among other things, the security forces aren’t likely to collude with terrorists.

  325. heedtracker says:

    Graun rushes to defenderise Dianne Abbot from tory thug life UK. In Scotland, UKOK hackdom hires even worse thuggery.

    Its less threatening the WoS blogger here, more the sneering malice displayed by like of Prof Jill towards SNP women MP’s, or an idiot like Rowling and her twitter chum Euan MacSpanner,

    Dianne Abbott gets much the same as say Mhairi Black, but its not worth a Graun mention, because she’s SNP?

    “The reality is that every day Abbott deals with rape and death threats and remarks about her appearance and skin colour. These insults are not about her politics but her person, and the nasty racist scorn flows freely online and in some parts of the media. This is shocking.

    The climate now accommodates racism as being somehow natural, ordinary and something that its victims simply have to tolerate. If not challenged, it is given permission.”

    In Scotland, the intolerable gets a tory job with the Times and the hootsman. And not a peep out of anyone, in teamGB relentlessly hideous tory BBC led media.

    Lets not go to the what and where our First Minister’s subjected too.

  326. TheWasp says:

    @harry mcaye 12.01

    You’re spot on with the Reynard thing, it is him. He was warned on P&B for, if I remember correctly, racist comments, then when he continued was banned. I also seem to remember he stood as a Tory candidate for the council in Ayr

  327. Rock says:


    “We get it. You’re trying to “blacken the political mood” Rock. If its not starting scraps and FUD, its full on mood blackening. Good luck with all that, who ever and where ever you are. You’re still a dickhead.”

    Readers can decide for themselves who is a “dickhead”:


    “For the sake of Scottish independence, the Rev. Stuart Campbell should move to a secret location outside the UK very quickly.”


    “Maybe every YES voter should do that Rock. Dickhead.”

    Big Jock,

    “Can we do a crowdfunder for the Rev and put him up in secret bunker somewhere in Finland.”


    “With Santa?”

    Big Jock might or might not have been joking, but I have had serious concerns about the Rev. Stuart Campbell since before the referendum, as I noted earlier.

    You might treat it as a joke but I don’t.

  328. Andrew Scott says:

    Surely enough there to interest the Police?

  329. Rock says:

    serious concerns about the Rev. Stuart Campbell’ SAFETY.

  330. MJC says:

    Let the daft be daft, let the threatening be questioned publicly and legally, let the rest of us keep on keeping on. For there is a place we saunter towards, no deviations required, just clear thought and nice wellies and soon all shall be well.

  331. Rock says:

    CameronB Brodie,

    Heedtracker is correct, the Rev. won’t speak to every Scottish voter. That’s our job.”

    The Rev. through his blog and massive efforts reaches a very wide audience.

    Who else apart from the Rev. can openly and publicly stand up to the likes of JK Rowling, Andrew Neil, etc?

    That is why he is widely hated, as described on this thread.

    You cannot compare him with ordinary Yes voters (as heedtracker does) or even with Yes activists.

    If anyone can tip the balance in favour of winning, it is this site and its author.

    Heedtracker is definitely not correct:


    “Rock, whatever you’re up to on WoS, listen up, the author of Wings over Scotland is not the messiah and he’s not going to win ref 2.”

  332. Robert Kerr says:

    It’s “Rock a bye baby” time again.

    Night night sleep tight all good WoSers

  333. Robert J. Sutherland says:

    Having calmed down a bit after having read the article, I have two thoughts:

    + Mostly these reactionary ultra-yoons are posers, though one always has to keep in mind that such “normalisation” of violence can activate a lone nutcase like the one who killed Jo Cox.

    You can even argue that Jakey’s beloved Brain Spinner was the first step onto that slippery (and filthy) slope.

    You would think that extremist drivel from the supposedly respectable members of Scotland in Union would only horrify and alienate their more moderate associates. But not a hint of it yet it seems from the likes of that nice Wee Willie, who seems closer than ever to his bosom buddies Murdo and DuncH. Though it is likely increasingly alienating the ordinary voter.

    + Nevertheless, much of the sound and fury is just hot air, a (welcome) sign of the increasing desperation of the more committed yoon as fear begins to grip, truly grip.

    What is far more insidious however, to my mind, is the kind of thinking emanating from the likes of Weetorrance, that the almighty Union will graciously deign to grant us another referendum, but only one that’s been carefully hobbled even worse than Labour did in 1979. Like moving the goalposts until they’re closer together than the width of the ball!

    The wild talk is misdirection – the real thing to fear is the subtle fix. We need to ensure that indyref2 includes all who have a stake, and with the same winning line as the EUref (you know, the one whose result the Brexiteers keep throwing in the face of the 48% of UK Remainers.)

  334. Rock says:

    CameronB Brodie,

    Heedtracker is correct, the Rev. won’t speak to every Scottish voter. That’s our job.”

    When doing our job, what will we use to convince voters?

    W O S articles?

    The Rev.’s wee books?

    Do you seriously think we can win without the Rev. Stuart Campbell?


    “Rock, whatever you’re up to on WoS, listen up, the author of Wings over Scotland is not the messiah and he’s not going to win ref 2.”

  335. CameronB Brodie says:

    Yoons are distinct from rational beings as they appear unable to live historically within the unfolding history of a holistic world. Their Britain is an ideological fantasy which resists human self-realisation and emancipation.

    Creating an Inclusive Society:
    Practical Strategies to Promote Social Integration

    Social Inclusion
    For Part I of the publication, social inclusion is understood as a process by which efforts are made to ensure equal opportunities for all, regardless of their background, so that they can achieve their full potential in life. It is a multi-dimensional process aimed at creating conditions which enable full and active participation of every member of the society in all aspects of life, including civic, social, economic, and political activities, as well as participation in decision-making processes. In Part II of the publication, social inclusion is understood as the process by which societies combat poverty and social exclusion.

    Scotland can shut the feck up though, eh?

  336. heedtracker says:

    Rock says:
    13 February, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    Happy to be wrong Rock. Clearly the WoS blogger is now a political presence in the debate. And just like every MP and MSP and political journalists, in the public eye, its logical that similar security precautions taken by these people, are also taken by Rev. Campbell.

  337. Susan Macdiarmid says:

    If the police see that last post by Reynard the Fox he won’t have a gun licence for long. Too much craziness. Frightened people made angry by their fear and projecting their anger onto those who frighten them. So do you stop responding to their gruesome twitter etc comments? Stop calling them yoons? Or even be nice to them? Hug a Yoon!

  338. Elizabeth Stanley says:

    Someone up thread said Steve Sayers was again banned from Twitter.

    I used to talk to him sometimes way back in 2014,also with the Lovatt person.They could not understand why I as a Nat was unfailingly polite to them. They just wanted confrontation or were left confused.

    I looked up Sayers website.A total mess that is so very sad.A person howling out his victim hood.

    What I find odd is this type along with batshit Jill, the Deans woman,JKR are very similar types.Intelligent,successful in their fields,not suffering due to lack of money but they all have a huge discontented void in their lives.

    They all cast aside any other point of view with such venom.

    I really cannot understand them.

  339. Bill McDermott says:

    Jill Stephenson must have been a colleague of Tom Devine, an even more eminent historian who is a ‘Yesser’.

    O/T I saw this article in the Business Telegraph which I hasten to add is not my normal reading. It does indicate the stars are aligning for Indyref 2. Nort Sea Oil has a bright future.

  340. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I always heard it as “Laura Nordah”…

  341. Bill McDermott says:

    Jill Stephenson must have been a colleague of Tom Devine, an even more eminent historian who is a ‘Yesser’.

    O/T I saw this article in the Business Telegraph which I hasten to add is not my normal reading. It does indicate the stars are aligning for Indyref 2. North Sea Oil has a bright future.

  342. K1 says:

    Bill’s telegraph article archived:

  343. CameronB Brodie says:

    I still think Heed is correct but I also think you’re correct, if a bit jittery. Conflicted, me? We do live in very confrontational times.

  344. ian m says:

    Our less than favourite History professor if she is Labour may want to recall this
    Labour had managed to under-spend the Scottish block grant to the collective tune of £1.5bn – money which was returned to the Treasury at Westminster because, incredibly, Donald Dewar, Henry McLeish and Jack McConnell just couldn’t think of anything to spend it on
    Also will someone please ask Ruth if it is the Tory position to cease doing business with an independent Scotland ?

  345. Hamish100 says:


    Back again.

    Started reading the National yet or are you still wanting it to fail?

    Still reading the Hootsmon and the Mail for your info? I think we should be told.

  346. Robert Peffers says:

    @ian m says: 13 February, 2017 at 11:12 pm:

    “Also will someone please ask Ruth if it is the Tory position to cease doing business with an independent Scotland ?”

    But! But! But! Didn’t Ruth stand on a ticket of, “The Ruth Davidson – Not the Tory Party”?

    If she’s not the Tory Party, why would they tell her anything? I mean, if she’s not the Tory party then what the hang is she … Err! Err!

    Perhaps that last bit needs a wee bit rewording before I get some answers not fit for human presumption consumption.

  347. McDuff says:

    Why should the Rev pack up and go into hiding, it is a pathetic suggestion. He has a life in Bath and should not be driven out by a bunch of morons.
    Its time we had a serious crowd fund and I mean hundreds of thousands and use it to expose these sinister people and their vile threats with a few prosecutions, that’s the best way to protect the Rev. Time to raise the big money as I am getting seriously pissed off with the continuing tirade from Unionists and their MSM chums.

  348. heedtracker says:

    CameronB Brodie says:
    13 February, 2017 at 11:06 pm
    I still think Heed is correct but I also think you’re correct, if a bit jittery. Conflicted, me? We do live in very confrontational times.

    He’s just trying to creep every c__t out Cameron.

  349. stu mac says:


    Because newspaper polls are not truly random and thus will usually be inaccurate. Only polls properly conducting by a polling organisation are trustworthy (or at least trustworthier).

  350. CameronB Brodie says:

    Another distinguishing characteristic of Yoons is they don’t appear to think “social inclusion” to be of paramount significance.

    Inclusion is community. No one becomes included by receiving handouts,
    even if these handouts are given by public bodies and with public resources.
    No one becomes included by being treated by a program in which they are
    no more than a number or a statistic. Inclusion is connection to the network
    of community development, it is to become more than a speck of dust, to
    have a forename and surname, with one’s own distinctive features, skills and abilities, able to receive and give stimulus, to imitate and be imitated, to
    participate in a process of changing one’s own life and collective life.
    (Busatto, 2007: 4)

    I’ve already said enough. 😉

  351. CameronB Brodie says:

    Sorry, that’s worth a re-post, IMHO.

    Inclusion is community. No one becomes included by receiving handouts, even if these handouts are given by public bodies and with public resources. No one becomes included by being treated by a program in which they are no more than a number or a statistic. Inclusion is connection to the network of community development, it is to become more than a speck of dust, to have a forename and surname, with one’s own distinctive features, skills and abilities, able to receive and give stimulus, to imitate and be imitated, to participate in a process of changing one’s own life and collective life.
    (Busatto, 2007: 4)

  352. stu mac says:


    People are taught this in elocution lessons because that is the way English people (except those in certain rural areas – who have a back r) speak.

    English people (barring certain rural speakers) learn from infancy (as all infants learn to speak their local language/dialect) to elide (not drop but pronounce as an indeterminate vowel) their “r”s and also they use r as a “carrier” between vowels, that is, it can be awkward to run vowel sounds together so they pronounce r if it is followed by a vowel. But this is something they pick up naturally as all speakers of languages/dialects do.

    The point about elocution lessons is that careless English speakers (if that is appropriate expression, probably not) sometimes put in an “intrusive r” because of this habit – so you get “lawr and order”, “Americar and the UK” and so on. So English speakers getting elocution lessons will have this pointed out as something to avoid.

    In case my earlier comment was confusing, “back r” is an r sound made by putting the tongue back and to the roof of the mouth. This produces what might be called a “west country” or “pirate” r: Scots always produce a tap or trill with the tongue touching the teeth or the area just above the teeth.

  353. ian m says:

    From the BBC
    As they talked about the new likely President of the EU

    “The UK can not expect a better deal than the countries actually in the EU”

    I also saw this, which is a bit scary
    and flies in the face of the Tory voting farmers if they still vote NO

    EU subsidies account for about 50% of British farm incomes

    The Tory farmers will have to decide whether to stick to their principals or go for the money !!! (I could have used a question mark but there is no question involved)

  354. CameronB Brodie says:

    My Scottish granny sent me to elocution lessons aged about five or six. I had a lisp but I think she also saw it as part of what was required for me to enter the professional classes of society.

    As an unintended consequence, I think these lessons may have been significant in my overcoming my aphasia (long story). That’s purely speculation on my part though.

  355. schrodingers cat says:

    not funny anymore

  356. Cactus says:

    SC dude..

    One seconds ur 00:56


  357. Cactus says:

    +1 hour for nightlight savings.

    Scotland in the morning.

  358. CameronB Brodie says:

    schrodingers cat
    Was it ever?

  359. Capella says:

    From Stu’s twitter – Twat bingo full house:

    Duncan Hotherstall is complaining that Indy supporters are like “medieval quacks, treating every ailment with leeches”.
    Willie Rennie agrees, “Well said Duncan”.
    Adam Tomkins MSP retweeted.

    But national liberation movements are a uniquely 20th and 21st century phenomenon. They are anti-colonial. Medieval society was ruled by feudal relations. Royal dynasties ruled vast tracts of land. There were no “nations” to become independent.

    The nation state succeeded Feudalism. Unlike “medieval quacks” our politicians are promoting democratic decision making in the nation state. The leeches reside in Westminster.

    Perhaps Historywoman could point that out to her pupils who are sadly confused.

  360. Hoss Mackintosh says:

    @Elizabeth Stanley,

    I agree with you.

    I had the misfortune of cmimg across a university friend on Twitter who has turned into an arch yoon of the worst type. Not dissimilar to those above.

    Very sad as he was a very laid back guy in his youth – now very embittered.

    Don’t know why?

  361. CameronB Brodie says:

    I’m picturing an unseemly circle-jerk now. Thanks a lot. 😉

    There was me trying to introduce post-modern critical social theory into the debate. I should have stuck with BritNat ideology as it has served us splendidly.

    @BritNat circle-jerkers
    Get a grip or at least be original in your convulsions.

  362. Still Positive says:

    Some good posts above and well worth reading.

    Was at my local SNP meeting this evening and signed up for the conference in Aberdeen 17/18 March. Looking forward to it. Off to bed now.

  363. CameronB Brodie says:

    I’ve just checked the link and see I’m not alone. That’s reassuring. 🙂

  364. Valerie says:

    Ian m 12.49

    I follow a few English political commentators, they have already said they think farming is f**ked.

    I hope Scottish Farmers come to their senses. Don’t think they are all Unionists, but they need to work within their profession.

    It makes me sick that they aren’t kicking up a fuss or igniting a campaign about Scottish produce, and all this Butcher’s Apron branding.

  365. Cactus says:

    Sexy Valentines Day to all you lovers out dare!


  366. CameronB Brodie says:

    @Duncan Hotherstall
    Here’s some leaches. Have you read “Methodology of the Oppressed” yet?

    Last weekend at the UN General Assembly, world leaders adopted the 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) and their 169 targets with much celebration. It had taken three years of political negotiation, public consultation, and enormous diplomacy to agree on the goals.

    Contributors to our SDG SERIES welcome the SDGs as providing valuable opportunities to advance human dignity and rights. But their analyses of the SDGs also highlight missed opportunities, and signal the need for ongoing vigilance to keep human rights central to global development…

    “The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural and political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

    “The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

  367. Stoker says:

    Apologies if this article has already been linked to but i’ve been that run off my feet the past couple of days i’ve been unable to keep up with the btl threads.

    “The story around the demise of the North Sea has been overplayed.”

    No shit, Sherlock! Anyone told that wee lying toad Brian Wilson?

    North Sea set to roll out the barrels again….

  368. ChewinTheFat says:

    Those uncle Tams are definitely getting the fear lol They have crumbled under the fear Scotland will say Yes in an indyref2 so they don’t know how else to react other than ramble on a load of bollocks and use violence to threaten people and try and scare them. Oh, how life as a cringing Scot must suck, big time!

    They take the time out of their day to try and spread fear and doubt into people’s lives. And threaten people – how civilized of them. It really makes me proud when fellow so-called Scots behave like this, really. I don’t know why I wouldn’t want to vote No with people like that on the No side…

    If they are so sure that it would be a No result again, then why are they so terrified? Why do they feel “threatened”? Honestly, the yonnies get more and more ridiculous as time goes on. They will literally implode if they keep carrying on the way they are. Westminster must be fucking embarrassed by them – major riddy.

  369. Reluctant Nationalist says:

    I’m hauddin ma wheesht.

    There’ll be no crying about North Sea oil anymore, it’s gonnae soar.

    Three cheers for Chrysaor!

  370. Breeks says:

    So in addition to the Vow being bollocks, vote No to stay in Europe being bollocks, protecting Scottish armed service jobs being bollocks, more powers being devolved bollocks, not getting to use the pound being bollocks, pensions being safe bollocks, and being hated by Europe shown to be bollocks too, …

    Can we finally add the death threats and internet abuse from Yessers phenomenon to be bollocks too?

    No wonder Unionists are miserable. They have nothing but absolute shite to shovel.

    Who will lead Better Together next time? Don’t make me laugh. Better Together couldn’t fill a phone box. Better Together 2 can’t even fill a seat.

  371. Macart says:

    Ayup. There’s a lot of stupid and reckless rhetoric out there. The source comes right from the leadership of pro union parties and their meeja chums too. In their blind panic, they’ve thrown caution to the wind and are prepared to use the most inflammatory of soundbites as a form of ‘not so’ veiled intimidation.

    They’re also fishing for a response, looking to poison the well and trash a debate they really, REALLY, don’t want to have.

    By this point it shouldn’t need saying, but I will anyway.The more they bait and unhinged they sound, the calmer and more steady our response HAS to be. We cannot give them the space to inflame a situation. It’s exactly what they are looking to do.

    The ballot will do the rest.

  372. Ghillie says:

    Hey Macart! Amen to that!

    Happy Happy Saint Valentine’s Day Everybody!!

    Make Love Not War = )

  373. Breeks, by the time Indyref 2 comes around, Davidson may be the Last Yoon Standing, and will mount a Better Herself Campaign?

  374. Ghillie says:

    Jack Collatin.

    Ruth Davidson mounts herself?

    Pauses to ponder.

    Ok. That’s definitly the cleverest thing she’s ever done =)

  375. Macart says:


    It’s the only way to travel. 🙂

    I’d go so far as to ask Ms Davidson, Ms Dugdale and yes, even Wullie Rennie a very serious question. Is this the how they wish to be remembered? Is this use of the militaristic language, the language of, let’s face it, intimidation the way they really wish to partake in any debate?

    Say, in the off chance, they win by an even more slender margin than last time out. Just how unified do they think their United Kingdom will be under such a strategy and circumstance? What kind of state do they think they’ll leave behind? What kind of memory of their part in that do they think will be carried forward?

    By all means they should support their ideology. Unlikely as it seems, they really should attempt to formulate a positive case for their cause and attempt to build bridges with the public, with the wider society in the process. If they fail win anything under that circumstance, then they fail, but not at cost. The EU referendum had its own tragic casualty and the aftermath with the appalling rise in hate crime speaks volumes.

    Politics is supposed to be the art of persuasion by debate and by performance, not the art of persuasion by manipulation and intimidation.

    They really, REALLY, need to think long and hard about their legacy in politics.

  376. Les Wilson says:

    McDuff says:

    Yes the Rev does need to be careful, and take whatever steps he thinks are appropriate for his safety and that of his family.

    However I do agree with a crowd fund to fully expose these loonies, a detail on them exposing just who they are and their contacts. We could do that just by being factual and truthful.

    I suspect they would not enjoy being under the microscope.

    Dan Snow seems heavily involved with all this, I do not really think he is tooo worried about the Union, but is concerned about his inheritance. Still MI5 operative comes to mind.

    I wonder if it was his ultra rich father in law who bankrolled Scotland in the Union? Anyway, he needs to spotlighted much more, as the other weirdos need to be.

    Keep safe REV.

  377. Smallaxe says:

    Nana: Good Morning Nana,

    The Kettle is on and I am enjoying your Links for breakfast! 🙂

    Thank You

    Peace Always

  378. heedtracker says:

    Macart says:
    14 February, 2017 at 8:28 am

    Its fascism or neo fascism effectively. Its here in the UK, Europe, US and always has been.

  379. louis.b.argyll says:

    England society is a COWARD.

    It acts out its elite narcissism to the UK as political discourse.
    .using memories of the war, when people WERE brave..TO HOLD THEIR FAILING MODERN COUNTRY TOGETHER..

    Brexit types seem to want the quality of stuff in shops to DECREASE and the costs to INCREASE.

    Trashing our nest just to get one over on the Germans, one of whom is their/our queen who they call Windsor, as they have the Culture of Cowards.

    Scotland IS CIVILISED, please, get us out of here!

  380. Smallaxe says:

    O/T? DON’T KNOW IF THIS IS ALREADY IN. apologies if so

    The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.”.
    Government responded:
    HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
    HM Government recognises the strong views expressed by the many signatories of this petition, but does not support this petition.
    During her visit to the United States on 27 January 2017, the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen, invited President Trump for a State Visit to the UK later this year. The invitation was accepted. This invitation reflects the importance of the relationship between the United States of America and the United Kingdom. At this stage, final dates have not yet been agreed for the State Visit.
    Foreign and Commonwealth Office

  381. Nana says:

    Good morning Smallaxe. Beautiful morning here, a little nippy but hey the sun is shining.

  382. Nana says:

    A wee reminder for iscot magazine fundraiser. I just got the latest copy yesterday, superb.

    Use it or lose it

  383. Macart says:


    Enjoyed the BFS piece and the New European article. Bit of reading involved in the second one, but worth it. 🙂

    Brekkie over…

    … Nuts! Another coffee won’t hurt. 😉

  384. Sinky says:

    The Herald reports LABOUR’s candidate in the Stoke-on-Trent Central by-election has apologised for posting a series of abusive tweets aimed at women.

    Gareth Snell described panellists on ITV’s Loose Women as “squabbling sourfaced ladies”, called presenter Janet Street-Porter a “polished turd” and said a “speccy blonde girl” on BBC’s The Apprentice should “p*** off”, in comments highlighted by the Guido Fawkes website.

    Wait and and see if we get front page headlines, numerous Labour members’ letters to the press, Ian Murray double page spread in Daily Mail and questions in Parliament as part of the orchastrated faux outrage at Neil Hay’s three year old tweets.

  385. Sinky says:

    The Herald reports LABOUR’s candidate in the Stoke-on-Trent Central by-election has apologised for posting a series of abusive tweets aimed at women.
    Gareth Snell described panellists on ITV’s Loose Women as “squabbling sourfaced ladies”, called presenter Janet Street-Porter a “polished turd” and said a “speccy blonde girl” on BBC’s The Apprentice should “p*** off”, in comments highlighted by the Guido Fawkes website.

  386. Nana says:


    Some articles can be a bit of a hard slog right enough. I read one a few weeks ago, thought it would never come to an end. Finally got there only to find it was an extract from a book!

    One more link before I head off

  387. Brian Powell says:


    R Davidson obviously positioning to dump her constituency and head south if the vote is for Independence.

  388. Fearchar says:

    Those whom the gods would destroy….

  389. Nana says:

    @Brian Powell

    I think so too Brian and same goes for Dugdale. Both of them down in London selling themselves, what a pair. They must know they are finished here. I wonder if one of them has room in their suitcase for Willie Rennie lol

    Wow these unionists sure are a happy lot

  390. Ken500 says:

    Toshiba loses £Billions on nuclear stations in US

    Sellafield now in doubt.

    Hinkley Point. A total lose of money white elephant.

    Hinkley Point, HS2, Heathrow and Trident. Total waste of taxpayers money. They will be obsolete and redundant before they are finished. There are credible alternatives. The Tories are the only association who ban renewables and support nuclear.

  391. galamcennalath says:

    heedtracker says:

    Other views of Scotland!

    “Europe hasn’t forgotten that a large majority of the Scottish people voted to remain,” Verhofstadt said. “We need the Scottish people and their firm European beliefs.”

    Nice! I hope and expect the EU to increase this rhetoric post Article 50.

    It might be that they are using Scotland as a stick to beat the UK with, or it may be quite genuine, or a bit of both.

    Does it matter when they are ‘on our side’?

  392. sarah says:

    O/T I have sent a letter to my local newssheet based on the Rev’s article on Prof Allyson’s Pollock BBC interview about the English NHS having been abolished. I have left the facts to speak for themselves.

    I have felt for a very long time that we should all be trying to get such factual stories into the press all over the country in order to counteract the routine lies and misrepresentation.

    I remember somebody BTL on Wings giving a list of some local press contact details. If anyone has this list could they please post it again? Many thanks.

    Rev, thank you again for all you do. It is great that you have been to the police about the online abusers.

  393. You would think the yoons would know that as Stuart lives in Bath he will not have a vote in ref.,2 so everyone who has a vote is a bigger threat to their union than he is as to their threats is there not a saying about Empty Vessels??

  394. Sunniva says:

    Jill Stephenson worked in the British History department at Edinburgh University. This was a totally different department from where Tom Devine worked across the road in Scottish History. They were not colleagues in the everyday sense of being people who would have rubbed shoulders ever day in a work context or shared a staff common room. Every now and again they might have had some level of contact at Faculty meetings but it would have been remote.

    I found her cold, aloof, and self-absorbed. She totally blanked me, though (admittedly) our contact was minimal to begin with. However other members of her department, equally English, and probably equally unionist, that I also had minimal contact with, were far friendlier and would at least give you the time of day to exchange a few words. It didn’t surprise me that she laid into Mhairi Black, as I got the distinct impression she viewed anybody with a Scottish accent as a yokel who wasn’t worth talking to. Would never tar all English people with the same brush, but she was of the type who had a contempt for Scots.

    If she’s in fact an Anglo-Scot, that explains a lot, as they are the very worst for looking down on Scottish people. Actual English people are far fairer and will take people as individuals and not stereotypes.

  395. heedtracker says:

    If she’s in fact an Anglo-Scot, that explains a lot, as they are the very worst for looking down on Scottish people.”

    She also looks way too much like Archie Macpherson also. We used to shout very rude things at Archie at Pitoddrie, after the game, way up in his tv camera scaffolding perch, it wasn’t just because of his mad as a fish bias for you know who, but it was mostly.

    Also mad, listening to his historic commentary of the great Argentine Gemmill goal in Train Spotting. That is one weird movie going experience now. Barking mad Jill, Archie Gemmill, Archie Macpherson, Ewan MacGregor and Kelly MacDonald, naked, who’d be a Scot:D

  396. Ghillie says:

    The tweets Rev Stu highlights reek of fear.

    Fear can bring out the worst in people.

    Especialy if they know deep in their hearts they are wrong to be doing what they are or have historicaly been doing.

    The rhetoric of Ruth Davidison is alien to me. In her words I hear a maliciousness I do not recognise as a voice of Scotland.

    As one of our political leaders she has no right to stir up animosity where she should instead be using her skills to help steer those who look to her and to the Conservative Party to make well informed decisions.

    The dangerous road Ruth Davidison is choosing and some seem to be following plays no part in the Scotland I see ahead.

  397. Iain says:

    I’m inclined to think that ‘supporter’, in alleging that “many leading members of SIU are English or other foreigners” may be an intruding opponent of independence.

    First: it is irrelevant. We deal with the justice of the cause and the arguments, and there are plenty of people not born here who appreciate the cause and, unfortunately, too many people who were born here who don’t.

    Second: he/she supplies scant information in support. The “many” are named as Historywoman and Lovatt. I have no information on the latter, but it seems unlikely that the former is “American”: her school was George Watson’s College in Edinburgh.

    Incidently, it’s perhaps unkind to be harsh about her. I have heard that she is genuinely afflicted with a condition the effect of which is consistent with the evident intemperance.

  398. Tcrosbie says:

    My god what is wrong with these people ? are they so sick and twisted in their own little minds my god they are scary. I have never heard so much poison and hatred in all my life. What happened in their life that they are so bitter and full of hatred and anger my god help us all. We need Independence and we need it now, we should send all these monsters back to whatever hole they crawled out of sick bastards.

  399. Molly says:

    Ghillie – well said and someone in the public eye ( or the media) should be calling her it out on it.

    That said, the same Tories who seem to have a seat on every board, a role in every committee an estate on every corner and criticise the Scottish economy never appear to put their hand in their pocket to or use their influence to ‘ save’ a business, building or treasure.

    It would appear they can lecture us on how Scotland should be and harp from the sidelines but only on their terms.Terms of entitlement.

    They benefit , we pay .its how they’ve always operated.

  400. Robert Peffers says:

    @Iain says: 14 February, 2017 at 11:03 am:

    ” … Incidently, it’s perhaps unkind to be harsh about her. I have heard that she is genuinely afflicted with a condition the effect of which is consistent with the evident intemperance.”

    Aye!Iain, she is indeed, ‘afflicted with a condition the effect of which is consistent with the evident intemperance.’

    Roond about these airts an pairts wi ca it Yoonyoonism.

  401. Ghillie says:

    You are right there Molly!

    Have a look at today’s article, it might just cheer you up = )

  402. Betty Boop says:

    @ sarah, 9:51am

    Re Dr Allyson Pollock, this is a video we promoted a lot duringthe Indyref campaign along with those powerful videos Dr Philippa Whitford:

    Share that too with everyone you can because it shows that she is being proved correct in her prior warnings.

  403. Breeks says:

    One of the many uplifting revelations I’ve had during the Independence campaigns is the one about language.

    I suppose a Gaelic speaker, which I am not, might appreciate what I say tenfold, because I only have a pronounced accent, and had a fair bit of stick for it over the years, for it being hard for some folks to understand. The rebuke was that I should speak properly. I’m not aware of the changes myself, but over the years it must have modified. I still have an accent, but fewer complaints, so the arithmetic suggests I did modify my speech to be better understood.

    I was also born left handed, with a grandmother who thought this was something akin to a disability. I was coorie dookit, caw fistit , and other derogatory expressions for being left handed. She tried to change it, with a little success but not much. I am right handed with a knife and fork, taught to do it properly don’t ya know, but still au naturel and left handed with a spoon. Born stubborn. Seems Gran was raised in a world where it mattered, and thank heavens I live in a world where it doesn’t.

    In that kind of world, it came as a great joy to me that the “auld Scots” I was speaking is not a dysfunctional affliction within myself, nor was I speaking a bastardised poor-man’s version of English that cattle in the fields would use if they could talk; despite what the school said. Auld Scots is not a bastardised version of English, both modern English and Auld Scots have a common ancestor language, but English may be as far removed and altered from that common source as Scots is. The one is no more (or less) valid and proper than the other.

    Ah dinnae feel the need take write things doon in auld Scots. I’ll be honest, I don’t recognise the words without saying them sometimes. Frankly, when auld Scots is written down I see a thing a foreign language student of English wouldn’t understand. That’s bad to be saying that, I know, heresay, but it’s true… But if I read the same thing in English, and then communicated what it said to someone else ad lib, the fickle old brain of mine does grand job of converting it back into auld Scots with nae bother at awe.

    It’s a grand thing the brain this, because while I am right handed with a knife and fork, in many wider things I come close to ambidextrous. Bit like my politics. Neither left nor right by preference, but sometimes both and other times neither. And irony of ironies, the Grandmother who didn’t want my life opportunities blighted by my coorie dookitness, was “blighting” me regardless, by teachin is “no ti dae it” in auld Scots.

    After Independence, what we do with our language is a right good question.

  404. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “The threats should have been passed to Police Scotland …..still time to do it”

    It has been reported to the police.

  405. Movy says:

    Very glad to see that you’ve passed this to Police Scotland. I couldn’t believe the rhetoric in some of these tweets.

  406. robertknight says:

    I’ve concluded that to witness such rabid SiU bampots in full flow would be the funniest thing since seeing Truth Davidson live at FMQs.

    Does ‘Scotland Is Useless – A positive view of Scotland in the UK’ advertise when they’re doing something which the public can attend? Or, as looks likely judging by the crazy old bat with the bad hair, do you have to have a positive diagnosis for CJD or similar in order to obtain an invite?

    (I wish she lived near me; there are yobs hanging around the Co-Op entrance some nights and it’d be good to see her scare the crap out of them for a change. I wonder if she charges by the hour…)

  407. mark robertson says:

    and i thought i was unpopular rev u got me beat hands down

  408. Doug McGregor says:

    Well done Stu , a tour de force.

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