The smell of fear
The ultra-hardcore Unionist community – or the Yoons, as they’re better known – are in a pretty much permanent state of wild and terrified rage, but it’s been turned up to 11 for most of this year. Constantly proclaiming that the people of Scotland don’t want independence, for some reason they’re absolutely petrified of putting that to the test.
And it’s sending them to some dark places.
Now, obviously one can dismiss talk of hanging the SNP for treason as exaggerated polemic, although I’ve personally seen people in recent days talk apparently seriously of doing me severe physical harm, and attempt to find my address to that end.
But let’s leave all that to one side. The current hot topic in the Yoonitariat is that if the Scottish Government can’t be stopped from holding another indyref in the wake of Brexit, then it should at least be fixed in numerous ways to stop them from winning it.
One of the most popular is to impose a victory threshold of more than 50%.
Bids so far set the winning line as high as 67%.
Another top wheeze is to exclude EU nationals (who might reasonably be expected to heavily favour a Yes this time round) from the vote:
But the nuclear option, and the one that’s currently finding the most favour within the raging-Yoon community, is to simply abolish the Scottish Parliament altogether.
Now, it would be tempting and easy to dismiss these people as a random bunch of demented social-media loon-jobs, but while it’s certainly true that they’re demented loon-jobs, they’re demented loon-jobs with an alarmingly prominent voice.
Two of those we’ve listed above – Jill “Historywoman” Stephenson and Neil Lovatt – are heavily involved with the lavishly-funded nutter collective Scotland In Union, whose Chief Executive is the former Scottish Labour MSP Graeme Pearson and whose activities are regularly featured and quoted in the press, particularly the Times.
Stephenson – a deranged, abusive, perma-ranting maniac who called SNP MP Mhairi Black a “foul-mouthed little slut” and a “disgusting bitch” and has threatened a “civil war”, to name just a few of her more restrained outbursts – was described by the newspaper as “one of the most compelling voices in support of the Union”.
As recently as this month she became a columnist for The Scotsman as part of its “Scotsman 200” panel, ironically complaining about the tone of political debate.
(When we raised a quizzical eyebrow about the Scotsman column, the dying paper’s Westminster correspondent told us “it’s a forum open to readers of all backgrounds. We’re not treating her one way or the other.”)
In the absence of a formal campaign group, Scotland In Union is the de facto public voice of Unionism, and is treated as such by the Scottish media. That means that the likes of Stephenson, Lovatt and the totally-off-the-scale-bonkers Tom “SEEDS OF TYRANNY” Gallagher are, with the assistance of the press, shaping the debate.
There was a time when we’d have been at least a bit surprised at a former Scottish Labour MSP (and ex-policeman) being willing to front such a group, or for relatively respectable broadsheet newspapers – not just gutter trash like the Daily Express – to relentlessly promote it. But so crazed with fear have the forces of the Union become that all bets are off.
It should be noted that all of this has taken place against a backdrop of polls still showing a narrow majority of Scots in favour of staying in the UK. God knows where these people will stop if independence ever takes a sustained lead.
If it ends in blood, as the EU referendum did after years of politicians and the media stoking up hostility towards foreigners, it’ll be difficult to summon up much surprise.
No lessons seem to have been learned – at least, no good ones.
We had a thankfully-small taste of Unionist violence in the indyref. Fortunately, Yes supporters didn’t rise to the provocation, and the reason for that may be the same one driving the constant ramping-up of No-campaign rhetoric that we’ve documented in this piece – the tide of history is on the side of independence.
When you’re confident you’re going to win democratically and peacefully, you have no need to try to rig the ballot with crooked rules, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people or intimidate your opponents. It’s not the Yes side that demonstrably fears the voice of the people with a growing shrillness and panic.
We’re in no rush. But we see why some people feel it might be an idea to get indyref2 done and dusted before the sort of lunatics created, inflamed and then published by our irresponsible press get any angrier.
The Brit Establishment have killed for less than the price of what it will cost them to lose Scotland.
If Scotland was to get a positive result on another Indy ref then the intelligence community will put into action their thugs and rabble rousers and create as much public disruption as possible.
You are looking at possible NI situation in the 70’s and 80’s with the difference being that the only pushing will be done from the Unionist side.
The yOOn coommentary, at least we know we will win the next referendum.
Fear on a grand scale, all the ‘lead’ idiots squawking. But we must let them go, back to the land of the free, Wangland.
In all honesty in my early 20’s I’d have considered myself as extreme republican nationalist. I have grown in mind somewhat by then & grown up but seeing these people laying down threats certainly makes my blood boil & their pushing old buttons.
Our movement is winning without the need for petty threats & I’m proud of all yessers onwards comrades.
They reek of it. ‘Tis a fragrance to delight the olfactory senses. 🙂
Project fear mk2
Fear of physical abuse and possible death?
Surely not? Do I use a moniker from now on?
Madness stalks the Yoonery.
History Woman ranting in Edinburgh Evening News letters pages to-day with her usual anti SNP / indy Ref nonsence.
Truly horrifying Stu. George Square was mild compared to these Ultra Brits. Self reflection is not their strong point. We are a peaceful movement, and they are an angry mob akin to certain southern states in the US.
It’s the mock outrage that baffles me. They are the people they describe in their rants not us.
I love the smell of fear in the morning.
Scotland In Union are sending out survey monkey polls to businesses, so expect to see ‘businesses don’t want another indyref’ press release for the media to lap up.
For your info here’s what the email says:
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Okay, Ive clicked the Stopwatch…lets see how long before the media report “Exiled Overlord calls his cultists to fise up in force!” headlines!
Cult Fuckwits did make me laugh though….sounds like a Rich Hall character describing US politics
I note one of the headlines is, “Is the nationalist camp in Scotland really creating an atmosphere of intimidation against opponents of independence?”
Simple answer, no there is very little evidence of this, not the Scottish nationalists.
However, “Is the nationalist camp in Scotland really creating an atmosphere of intimidation against advocates of independence?”
YES, the British nationalists seem willing to stoop to any depths in their increasingly panicked state.
David – that comment really doesn’t help matters. The likes of Jill Stephenson desperately want people to think independence will lead to violence in the streets and so on so that they shy away from backing it, so talking about the secret services being made to kill people etc is counter-productive.
I sincerely hope you have reported the threatening posts to the police, these are appalling.
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I’ve always maintained that, as a movement, all we need to do is stay calm and keep going. The dark forces of unionism will eventually destroy themselves. As Macart says: “Let Westminster be Westminster”, and watch them seriously self-harm their yoon cause. They have no answer for a country that refuses to go back in the box.
Rev, keep doing your stuff (but stay safe). They are cracking big time. 🙂
I do fear that things may turn nasty. Emotions are running high on both sides. I don’t want a civil war, but the yoons should be aware that we are too far down the road now. They should know by now that we aint going away – ever. And we fight until we win. Things will never return to the way they were.
History Woman (who seems to tweet like Spanner) appears to be in classic denial mode (with a generous helping of cognitive dissonance thrown in). History is in the making right in front of her nose, yet she wants no part of it, because she is a hard-boiled yoon. What an awful place to be. How sad. My heart bleeds. 🙂
Very depressing, but those two words sum unionism up.
Mhari Black already has her re-election leaflets written for her by the people who seek to abuse her and unbelievably abuse Mhari’s electorate.
Basically unionists are petrified, they know their time has come.
Over the next few months we will see those labour voters and activists who held on to labour out of hope move to the SNP in numbers, the math is with us!
A timely topic
Unionists are becoming strident and frantic in their efforts to block a second referendum, and close down the mechanisms of democratic progress in Scotland.
It’s fascism in all but blackshirt salutes.
My observations of Chief Harpy History Woman are recently updated. For a woman who claims her history specialism is the Third Reich she sure as hell espouses Nazi solutions:
link to wp.me
You can read the first two chapters and then the last if in a hurry.
I reported that pensioner hard man William Neish on Facebook but they came back and said he did not break any community rules! WTF?? The guy still thinks he’s fighting WW2. Total loon ball.
Vodka Jill needs to reduce her consumption drastically by the look of some of her utterances. She and her familiars seem to be grasping on to the old habit so beloved of certain Central and Eastern European states: when democracy isn’t going their way, they want to shut it down.
Intrigued to see Dunc’s name feature in the ‘Shut ’em down’ discussions. Did he participate?
I hope you have reported every one of these lunatics to the police.
There really are some absolute scumbags on the Unionist side. We all know about Mad Jill but I notice the last comment from someone calling himself Reynard. I remember there was a rabid No voter of the same name on the Pie and Bovril football forum. He was a St Mirren fan. Ian Smart is a St Mirren fan. Could it be an alias? Maybe, maybe not but I do take a ridiculous amount of pleasure in seeing them rooted to the bottom of the First Division and heading to the seaside leagues.
Incidentally, I see The National continues to be without a competent proof reader. Front page today – “Indyref New in August 2018?” Jeezo!
This is all simply criminal and as such these people should be reported to the relevant authorities, surely? they’ll only get away with it continually, because they can.
I do find it particularly odd that Jill Stephenson, professor of modern German history and author of several works on the Nazis, has no problem with fantasising about the suppression of democracy. How is it that she can clearly see a fascist tendency in the Scottish Government but not in the UK Government (or in herself?)
I’m starting to think she genuinely believes she’s part of the Resistance. God help us all.
There’s an anger out there. Even after they won the referendum they’ve never stopped being utterly furious. The online abuse by these scotch Trumpists would appear to threaten murder. JK Rowling would be squealing to the Daily Mail & the BBC if this stuff had been directed at her. Tthe baffling thing is, why do labour politicians & academics all sound like paid up members of the UDA?
Unpleasant as the rabid britnat ranting is I do find it encouraging to see, in that it’s positive proof that britnats are bricking it big-time.
It’s also good to see the Rev is keeping an eye on these britnat outbrusts and he has them all online for us to use whenever a britnat bleats about nasty Nats.
All going along nicely then!! 🙂
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PS:
Here’s the last section of Torrance’s latest rant in the Herald today about a possible Indy 2.
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What of Unionist tactics beyond timing? Everyone I’ve spoken to expects a second independence referendum to be much nastier than the first, indeed Scottish Secretary David Mundell and Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson have already begun framing it in those terms, the former warning it would “set Scot against Scot” and the latter as another “fratricidal conflict”.
This seems reasonable. Just imagine if the European referendum was re-run – it’d be far from sweetness and light.
It’s also clear there would be no umbrella Unionist group like last time, no Better Together Mark II, but rather distinct Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat campaigns. Last November Ruth Davidson said she would neither put herself forward, nor did she think it “appropriate for any party leader to lead the Union case”.
The preference would be for what one senior figure calls “non-Conservative Unionists” to make the case. Quite who that would be is anyone’s guess.
Today at the London School of Economics Ruth Davidson will outline a “fresh” case for the Anglo-Scottish Union in the wake of the Brexit vote, although in a referendum context it would likely emphasise, as before, economic risk, focusing relentlessly upon currency and trade.
Above all, Unionists would depict independence as creating even more instability in a big, bad world; in other words, they’ll throw Nationalist critiques of Brexit back at them.
There are several problems with this, not least the fact that balance-sheet arguments may no longer carry the weight they once did, and also the fact that given the Scottish Conservatives have made opposition to another independence referendum their raison d’etre since 2015, it’ll look a bit odd for the British Tories and “UK Government in Scotland” (as it’s now branded) to work with the SNP in making it happen.
But all that’s in the future. If a second independence referendum is about to become a reality, then the “essential ingredient”, as the former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau used to say, will be timing.
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He seems a bit scared!
PS:
You can go ‘incognito’ on google chrome and read the Herald articles.
A few nutters is not surprising. What is troubling is that no one on the mainstream side of unionism – the Conservative Party, the Labour party etc etc – bothers to condemn these nutters.
Trust Police Scotland are monitoring them re these incitements to violence.
It’s all they have. They prefer their deluded imperial thoughts and living in a decrepit has-been nation to creating and living in a modern and dynamic country. Sad people.
They are desperate to turn us into NI, so Holyrood will be shut down as ‘a matter of security’.
Just read a terrifying blog about the use of psychology to influence voting.
Project Fear 1 dipped it’s toe into that last time and I expect it to be ramped up for indy ref 2.
What is wrong with these people, they live in a permanent state of anxiety?
There were 33 people at the Scotland in Union Christmas party.
David says:
“You are looking at possible NI situation in the 70’s and 80’s with the difference being that the only pushing will be done from the Unionist side.”
That’s no different from any and all Scotland in Union threats of violence. Really sleazy.
Stay safe Stu.
“…another “fratricidal conflict” – Davidson
“…seems reasonable” – Torrance.
Great journalism.
Very scary people,but no surprise to see their true Brit colours.
You don’t colonise 2/3 of the globe without having an ample reservoir of vicious thugs to call on.It’s in their BritNat genes.
History woman certainly looks the part.Is’nt she a John Hurt doppelganger ?
The thing is when the Britnat Mair murdered Jo Cox,I thought that would shame enough of the slightly more civilized of the Britnats to ensure a Remain vote.
The fact that act did not deter the 52% Leavers tells you something.Not everything,but it is definitely significant in my opinion.
No joke.Be careful Stuart.
And the interesting thing is that many leading members of Scotland in Union are English or other foreigners.
History woman is an American whose life prior to retiring was spent researching the Nazi phenomenon. Lovatt is English supposedly employed in a Scottish Insurance company at a high level but is never off the internet. So I suppose his job really is to run a team of tweeters.
Surely anyone who encourages violence should be investigated by the police. How does Historywoman get away with it. Is she being protected?
Things are getting even worse south of the border. For example Nick Ferrari was foaming at the mouth this morning on his show (LBC) because people were expressing opinions not to his liking at the BAFTA awards. It seems that only right wing opinions are allowed in Brexit Britain.
We really do have to get away from these people as soon as possible, or I fear our country might become infected too to the same degree.
August/Sept 2018?
What will be served up this time?
A Royal wedding, or perhaps a Royal funeral.
Maybe another Royal baby. Or two.
An abdication? A coronation?
What dead cat will be flung this time round?
We’re always going to have this lunatic fringe – no matter what the subject matter is. It could be football, politics or religion. You are always going to have the fundamentalists who believe that severe action might be needed when the vast majority of people don’t quite follow an ideology to its most possible (and usually extreme) conclusion. For the far far majority of them, they are all mouth. To ask them to carry out an act of violence probably makes them quake in fear of the possible repercussions …and part of that reason is not time in the jail. For the more brain-dead who spout violence, they know that pushing it too far, could lead to a chap on their own doorsteps, and it might not be the police. Nobody wants a visit from strangers that could endanger one’s family.
Now, fair do’s, the Yoons got away with it in George Square due to the numbers on them on the evening of the 2014 Referendum Result, but in all reality, unless they are going to organise a mass-riot on line, they won’t do anything ‘locally’ if it’s only them and their pal. The repercussions to them could be very severe if they push it too far.
Even when I have canvassed at our street stall, you’ll get the odd mouthy idiot, but they never do anything once you ignore them. They’ll wander off and flick the vickies once they are about 50 metres away. They never turn up later with a wee posse to intimidate a group of indy supporters (especially if there are kids there) because they know deep down that if recognised (and known), they’ll get a chap on the door later that day …and what goes around, comes around.
So, no …I don’t walk in fear. I have mates who are unionist and don’t like Nicola or the SNP. That’s fine – that is their choice. At the same time, they know my position, but the overall fact is, I’m not in danger from them. Sure if Scotland becomes independent, they might be pissed off at me, but they won’t do anything about it. They’ll in the end, grudgingly acknowledge the result, while the realists among them, will also acknowledge that they will probably be the last generation of Unionists in Scotland.
But one thing – you take care down there Stuart. There is a real problem there. Your living in a country that does not understand Scotland, nor does it want to. Instead, many down there see you as the enemy attacking the British State (…and therefore, England). Just stay on your toes, make sure you have a bright spotlight out the front and back doors, and possibly have a camera to record all activities on your doorstep. It’s one thing having the odd nutter in Scotland because there is enough of us to warn them to back down, but there are not enough of us in Bath to protect you. Just keep the police notified when such threats are posted on-line. At least for these folk, the chap on the door will be the police.
The Brits are only doing what the Brits have always done to every country they’ve had any connection with
When their version of diplomacy fails next come the threats, when the threats fail the punitive action kicks in, when all of the above is tried and lost by the Brits as in every country who has escaped from the UK, next comes the outright violence which they always always blame on the opposite side and then when they see even that isn’t working they go back to option 1 the British perversion of diplomacy
And claim international success for a peace process
Ask the Irish, or well, anybody really
From the Scotsman comments yesterday on an Alex Salmond piece about Indy:
“realist scotsman”
12:23 AM on 13/02/2017
Can’t someone just shoot these idiots.
There’s an office block on Inchinan Road in Paisley next to the White Cart Water housing a part of the police that monitors hate groups. I think Scotland in Union easily made it on their list. Sgt McPhail will be back round Staple buying more filing cabinets. Remember to get the dayglo post-its this time.
Perhaps moderate Unionists should consider this – these Uber Yoons are becoming the online face of Unionist, are the moderates sure they want to be tarnished by them?
Perhaps the Uber Yoons have genuinely lost the plot through a crazed mist, or perhaps it’s part of some plan to make the very idea of another Indy debate look unpalatable.
Either way, I think it may be time for the moderates to rein in the nutters.
I don’t do twitter or facebook but i thought that the police were meant to come down heavy on threats to life and incitement to violence???
I hope you have highlighted these threats to the police Rev.
True saying:
Knowledge is Power
Unity is Strength
Here’s hoping Nicola announces the date of IndyRef2 at the SNP Spring Conference in Aberdeen in March.
The more we see of this, the more the Yes side looks like the side for reasonable grown-ups, in addition to being the most status quo. If I was a non-extremist No voter I would be watching Scotland in Union with horror.
Shocking , utterly shocking and our lovely media continue to incite violence.
Will they look in a mirror any time soon ? Or will Police Scotland intervene and close them down?
Stu , I also hope you have given these to the boys in blue , even if it is just to register the threats.
Democracy is being murdered in this wee country of ours and our neighbours.
After that FB nonsense appeared last week, I tweeted it to Ruth Davidson, Kezia Dugdale and David Mundell. As the leading lights of unionism, I was sure they’d want to dissociate themselves from it and give a clear signal that such violent talk is not the true voice of their side of this debate. After all, they demanded that Salmond apologise for every slightly off-colour tweet they could dredge up during the 2014 campaign. They’ve still not responded. Can we take this to mean that they endorse such violence?
Where then are our brave journalists? Surely Stephen Daisley, doughty defender of outspoken journalists everywhere and now a columnist in the Daily Mail which made much play of the vile abuse of journalists and politicians on social media during the 1014 campaign, will have something to say about this? Surely our press are honest and fair? No? They’re meant to be partisan and that’s a good thing? Then what of the BBC? Funnily enough I tweeted them about it too, highlighting the fact that for two days (at that point) Dugdale and Davidson had failed to condemn it. Reporting came there none. Take from all of that what you will.
Don’t, please, ever stop Wings over Scotland! How we need you. Horrified at these comments against you Rev. I too have had my business targeted and had several death threats. The police have had to be called in twice. We cannot let these obsessed Unionists win this fight to free our country. Hail Alba!
History woman may be a retired professor of history but from the perspective of this post-structuralist vegetarian, she’s an ignorant bigot. She appears to live in a totalised ideological ‘reality’ that personifies the cult of Yoonionism. Bet she gets on with JK.
@HistoryWoman
Got a problem with respecting universal human rights?
link to un.org
Inside the mind of a Rampant Yoon
Close Holyrood..tick..job done.
Whats this?, a rejection by the UK voters to the Tories and suddenly 50+ SNP MPs have the balance of power at Westminster?
Hmm…what to do?…
it will all end in tears for them. One way or another.
Thomas Valentine.
The Paisley polis protecteth us?
Agree with everything you say except that “tide of history” bit. History is just a bunch of stuff that happens. It doesn’t have tides.
Disturbing. I hope Rev Stu has reported William Neish to the police.
I really don’t think we have anything to worry about, it’s just a small group of drunken, senile, old people bumping their gums behind a keyboard. Literally!
What sad, depressing lives these people must lead. When you look at their Twitter comments everything is doom, gloom and negativity. They seem so mired up to their noses in negativity that it must make them nauseous. They’re so totally obsessed with circumventing the will of Scotland’s people that democracy has become a stranger to them.
No stone is left unturned in their quest to to keep Scotland shackled to the corrupt, undemocratic Westminster system. No thought is deemed too outlandish or crazy enough to be dismissed as being absurd.
It’s like One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest in an Online asylum where the demented and mentally unstable plot Scotland’s ruin.
Can’t help but be a bit amused that the majority of unionist support comes from the over 65s yet these nuts are keen for a civil war. Bombs in their wheelie message bags and bayonets on their walking sticks? Chilling stuff.
Paula Rose says:
13 February, 2017 at 12:20 pm
There were 33 people at the Scotland in Union Christmas party.
Was that before they threw you out?
Harry McAye @ 12:01pm:
Now, now. Don’t take too much pleasure in St Mirren’s travails. Good many Yes supporters amongst the Paisley side’s faithful.
Much like JLT I have never experienced major problems when leafleting for YES or the SNP.
However at the last Holyrood election there was a definite increase in the numbers wishing to confront. Way beyond that of 2014. One example of several was that of a female leafletter on her own, who had a nasty experience in a flat stairwell ( verbal abuse and an item thrown ) something the branch now will never let happen again because we do flats in pairs.
Think the viciousness from UKOK has ramped up because they know they are on the backdoor and likely to lose.
Personal security will be at the forefront of our minds next time.
Lot of whistling in the dark going on.
The chap who says he has a gun licence and is tooled up and ready needs to be reported to the police, as he’s clearly not a suitable person to have one.
I don’t believe for one second Independence would lead to violence in the streets once it’s over
Remember these are the folk who are always banging on about accepting results and the will of the people
Well they keep saying that don’t they
Don’t they?
What dead cat will be flung this time round?
In the Heil Trump/Mayhem timeline, another extremely hot middle east war, back our British boys, coalition forces, Iraq, this is front line Kate Adie for the BBC, war is hell.
I join others in expressing amusement (not disbelief, though) at the line of thinking that goes, ‘I like Holyrood when my type of people ran it, but shut it down now because I don’t like who the people have chosen to run it now’.
Democracy? These people wouldn’t know it if it kicked them in the nuts. Which it might well do yet.
((((((Shudder)))))
I need a shower now!
Unfortunately it reflects the extreme venom of unionists during the last 5 years.
Those unionists openly promoting violence and aggression should be tackled by the police. They are not indulging in ‘heated’ debate with differing opinions, but openly threatening and discussing the ACTUALITY of murdering or torturing a pro independence writer, with whom they happen to disagree.
The fact that the Labour party and so-called ‘broadsheet’ ‘news’papers indulge these crazed people, give them a platform for their hatred, and actually pay them is even worse.
As for talk of ‘changing the rules’ for indy ref 2, well that gives the game away doesn’t it. Unionists are getting hysterical because next time, they know they will lose.
I say this, however, people like the Emeritus Professor of History of modern German history at the University of Edinburgh, Jill Stephenson, using the foul language she appears to have used against a democratically elected, female MP, is truly shameful. If true, I do wonder what the University of Edinburgh, and its commercial backers think of her foul mouthed, and frankly disgraceful public rants. The Prof should know better than to indulge in any stoking of unfounded, bigotted hatred, given her knowledge of the rise of fascism and the Nazi party.
link to ed.ac.uk
As for the independence campaign, we will carry on, keeping out of the unionist gutter. They can scream and shout and abuse all they want, but we on the independence side are better than that – by quite some margin. The unionists in Scotland are, to be frank, just becoming ridiculous. We should laugh at them, and never stoop to their level.
Always remember the old saying, ‘never wrestle with a pig. The pig will enjoy it and you will get dirty’.
related link link to grousebeater.wordpress.com
Sinky says:
13 February, 2017 at 11:46 am
“History Woman ranting in Edinburgh Evening News letters pages to-day with her usual anti SNP / indy Ref nonsense”.
Sinky , she had a letter published a couple of weeks ago in same paper ranting about ‘Honesty’and the SNP …pity she was not honest enough to state at the end of her letter that she was part of ‘Scotland in Union’.
The above tweets exemplify what a cult REALLY looks like and how some of the members of said cult are long overdue a psychiatric assessment as to their suitability to be allowed the freedom to live among decent, peaceful and good people like us.
Frankly we need to be honest and realise that a certain section of Scottish society let us down, the above tweets are classic examples of the hateful incitement that try to undermine and destroy all hope that we Scots , post indy, can live in a better society.
Having said that we have to bear in mind there will always be undesirables in any society who are driven by hate and madness and thankfully they are a minority and do not represent Scots.
Also it blows out of the water that the supposed Cybernat is the aggressor and intimidating force within the argument between Indy and pro Union supporters.
So pray let them continue because as they truly damage their cause they also actually help ours.
Hate destroys the hater.
Love over Hate always.
That these people are part of a movement endorsed by the daily rags, is not surprising and is indicative of the contempt shown towards the people of Scotland. How dare the people want a decent living, how dare they want a fairer society. That is not the british way at all. The britnats don’t do peace.
As for threats of violence towards an individual as yourself Stu, hopefully you have already reported those responsible to the police. Twitter or not, directed threats must be taken seriously.
Stay safe. Personal alarm, a very very loud one. Kung fu self defense classes! Just joking, sort of.
Struan@11.45
Some of these are actually not petty threats Struan. And we are not comrades. This is not a commi movement, and never was. Keep the ‘pushing old buttons’ of your ’20s extreme republican nationalist’ away from Scotland. Thanks very much, maybe take up running or something man.
The people who want Independence for Scotland are definite civic and internationalists.
Any buttons being pressed are those of the extremists in the Scotland in union movement, keep your violent threats or inclinations out of Scotland.
I know and work with one of the guys highlighted for saying he should be exterminated!!! I’m bloody insenced!!!!!
13 February, 2017 at 12:20 pm
Heedtracker says:
David says:
W“You are looking at possible NI situation in the 70’s and 80’s with the difference being that the only pushing will be done from the Unionist side.”
That’s no different from any and all Scotland in Union threats of violence. Really sleazy.
Stay safe Stu.”
Sleazy? Maybe it seems that way if you are blind and ignorant to the British way of doing things for the last few hundred years.
You stay safe and don’t give yourself a headache by using more than 1 braincell at a time, eh? 😉
You’re right, of course, Artyhetty. I hope everyone heeds that advice but some of the views displayed in the above article are disturbing to say the least.
Shocking to read some of the tweets sent to you and about you. I have responeed with facts to Historywiman and Eddie and Scotland in Union when they tweet unsinstantiated Yoon talk. The reply each time is silence.
If more of us here were to challenge each of them more often they may eventually see tide has turned and that their bubble is burst.
Keep going Rev. We in Yes need your support.
I don’t know if this has been mentioned already, but another, friendlier, ‘history woman’, Lucy Worsley, featured the Raj in an episode of her ‘British History’s Biggest Fibs’ series.
The parallels with our current situation are stark. All the elements are there. Cash cow, respect, rewriting of history, educating children with ‘British’ values, employing natives to help administer the colony, and many other aspects we see only too clearly here and now.
They are given a platform time and again to spout this horrible stuff. They must be near to crossing the line where this rhetoric is against the law.
I will be happy to help crowd fund anyone who feels they could bring legal action against them. It is pernicious and deeply worrying that it goes unchallenged in the MSM.
Scotland will regain its independence NOT by the bullet but democratically with the ballot. End of.
#Indy-soon-so-hug-a-yoon-in-your-toon
@harry mcaye says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:01 pm:
” … There really are some absolute scumbags on the Unionist side. We all know about Mad Jill but I notice the last comment from someone calling himself Reynard.”
I noticed that one in particular too, Harry.
There is no doubt that is a direct threat to take up arms. Indeed it could be assumed the arms are already taken up.
This guy says, ““I have a gun licence. I’m tooled up and ready”.
That, in plain English is, “I have a gun licence and am ready to use a gun against Scottish people”.
There is no ambiguity there – He has a gun licence and if he is, “Tooled up”, he has a gun also and he is ready to use it against Scottish Indy supporters.
That person needs locked up.
Stu there are several people on your expose who should be sued charged or both. If they are not they are being protected. But what else would you expect from a right wing society.
Report to police…..be careful Stu, remember Joe Cox.
There are unbalanced folk out there.
File until Indy2 starts and repeat this article every week.
Is it just me? Or do others feel a kind of tacky and unpleasant need to audit and analysis of which particular brand of history this woman has been lecturing prior to her retirement? How many History students have been short changed in their education and turned hostile towards Scotland?
My second observation is a disconnect between an disciplined academic background you might expect from a historian, and her unhinged pathological hatred for Scottish Independence.
I have no great urge to find out anything more about her personally. It speaks volumes about Unionism that it cannot fill a village hall, and can only find form and substance denigrating Scottish Independence. It invariably falls curiously silent when it comes to talking up the merits of the Union. Suddenly they have a lot less to say for themselves when that’s the agenda.
Personally Rev, I’d like to see you coming home to the land of the free. Bath is a beautiful city in a nice part of the world, but it only takes one nutter… You are a valuable asset Rev, and the Yoons know it.
Good grief!Their absolute terror is palpable.
The yoons have been ramping up their rage at indy ref2 for the past eleven months. Have they not noticed that they are wasting their time? No that’s a daft question really. The fact is they have noticed that we ain’t paying them any attention and the indy numbers are creeping up and they are beelin.I think that the might spontaneously combust when the date of indy 2 is announced.
We start this time from a higher platform than we did first time round, so no wonder that they are shattin it. Good. They’ve been mad since the 19th September 2014 and they won for heaven’s sake.
All these threats of violence from these nutters should be reported to the polis.
In my book, if you have to threaten anyone with violence, you’ve lost the argument bigtime. That’s what they are so feart of.
You can bet your boots that if these Unionist clowns, Stephenson, Gallagher & Co managed to incite violence, they wouldn’t be leading from the front.
They’re the type who would wind up the bams and deny responsibility
IF Westminster want to abolish Holyrood, or reduce its powers, then they have to enact laws which then have to be given Royal Assent. The First Minister of Holyrood has the power to advise on the use of Royal Prerogative in devolved matters of which refusal to give Royal Assent is an example.
It’s a Catch 22, or chicken and egg, scenario. Until legislation is enacted to remove that devolved power from the hands of Sturgeon she has the power to advise the Queen to veto said legislation. Obviously a unionist stooge of a First Minister would have no such compunction. Those advocating the SNP resign their seats at Holyrood might want to think about who would take over until new elections could be held and what they might do during that time.
Obviously the Queen might decline the advice of her First Minister in this case. Which would immediately lead to a rise in republican sentiment or failing that a reminder that as she has chosen to place her role of Queen of England above that of Queen of Scots she’s activated this clause in the Declaration of Arbroath Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule.
She’d also have broken her Coronation Oath Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?
Queen. I solemnly promise so to do.
Which states her duty to abide by the laws of Scotland.
There may have only been 33 at the party Paularose but they have deep pockets and judging by BBC QT good connections to the establishment.
How come?
Then you peek at their twitter feed and see the same names. McDougall, Daisley etc.
David Torrance is right for once.
Ruth Davidson won’t jeopardise her position by being the ‘ face’ of Better Together but then who needs it when you’ve already got Scotland in Union in place?
That ‘grassroots’ group who raised £300,000 at their raffle.
I agree though their vision of ‘ their’ Scotland is terrifying. Where everyone must conform to their standards, starting by calling yourself Jock
LOL 🙂 🙂 🙂
What a bunch of “Outraged from Milton Keynes- Brigadier rtd Mrs.”
About as scary as a jar of tadpoles but hilariously deranged.
Please, please let these zoomers be in charge of Better Together2
Professor ? Stephenson is in rapture. She visualises herself having the opportunity to face what she labels extremism at close quarters. Having spent most of her life writing about Nazis she has mentally created her great opposition in the SNP, and is determined to make her voice heard as “defender” of freedom.
Her freedom however means somebody else’s captivity. She is living her dream though only in her own mind.
The rest of the zealots are the staunch Unionists. They show their bravado to earn praise and affirmation from people who would otherwise have nothing to do with them.
There may be the odd loose cannon, but what we are seeing in the main is Internet warriors, pounding out their frustration and helplessness on the keyboard.
Scotland will be free in spite of them, and maybe in some cases because of them.
We carry on.
I can honestly see the likes of Scotland in Union developing into our very own version of the UDA or UFF.
They are truly this extremist and blinkered in their ideology.
This is how terrorism is born.
I don’t believe these people will be able to accept an Indy Scotland I believe they will take their opposition up more than a few notches when we get a Yes vote.
I truly see the potential here for the formation of a new Terror group.
These people really are that batshit deluded and deranged.
‘Johnston Press has been fighting for survival since the financial crash. It is wrestling with decline of the local newspaper industry and is labouring under debts that stood at £137.7Million at the start of July last year.’
The management had raised £140Million from the sales of shares and £220Million from bonds in a previous financing effort. JP has asked that Rothschild examine ways to reconstruct it’s debts and refinancing options. It has £200Million in bonds that are going to mature in 2009. These will need financing. The shares have fallen 90% to 17p. Valued at £17Million.
The Crystal Amber fund owns 20% of JP shares. There is lack of confidence in the chief excutive Ashley Highfielf and finance manager David King.JP is the publisher of the Yorkshire Post, Lancashire Evening Post and the ‘i’ paper. Scotsman.
Scots of Scotland, are not the only Scots:D
National news from Canada, not reported here, in Scotland.
link to ctvnews.ca
link to kiltskate.com
link to johnogroat-journal.co.uk
Its not just the USA that’s got a Scottish leader, again.
A whole lot of the Yoons posted here need to be hauled in and charged.That is what SHOULD happen,where are the protectors of law and order? where are their voices?
Most of these people are Carstairs worthy and should be locked away for a long time.
Robert Louis @ 12.55
I was told some time ago that the University of Edinburgh had moved very quickly to dissociate itself from Jill Stephenson’s online and other activities.
Willie Rennie! Call off your attack dogs!
David@1.02pm
So Heedtracker questions your motive, and your response is to insult him. Classic attempt to divide on this forum!
We all know about the ‘NI situation’, but your comment makes no sense in this context. NI was a very divided country, province, call it what you like.
People here, are generally a good example of how they want to conduct themselves on this road to independence, it is nothing like NI, much as many unionists really really lemon squeezy, wish it would be.
Oh Christ i feel dirty after reading this load of totally deranged outflowing of absolute bile and hatred , contrast that with the genuine warmth and happiness of the ” YES ” movement , I just wonder if Jakey endorses this type of behaviour and would she want to be associated with it ? , maybe her younger followers would appreciate the sentiments of these , well its difficult to describe them what collective name should be attached to them ? f/kd if i know , this is going to be real messy and its only from one side because they know they are loosing their precious union , oh dear how sad , never mind.
Stu a word of advice. Really watch your back because some of these yoons truly are demented deranged and mentally unstable.
You’ve become a fixation for many of them.
Jo Cox was a lesson that needs to be heeded.
@Richardinho says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:12 pm:
” … What is troubling is that no one on the mainstream side of unionism – the Conservative Party, the Labour party etc etc – bothers to condemn these nutters.”
Whatever makes you think that they want to condemn them?
In fact what makes you think they are not, “Them”?
We know some of them, Mad Murdo for example, are indeed, “them”, and some quoted comments from the HOL have been well over the mark.
I have absolutely no doubt, if things sink to the level of violence again, (note again), it will be either these totally over the top Yoon-nats, (note not actually British Nationalists), or will be from UK agents provocateur. The Westminster Establishment has a long, much proven, history of the latter.
Mike @ 1.21
About these nutters forming a kind of UVF-style outfit. I can’t see 70 year old Vodka Jill or her fancy-dress pal from Aberdeen roaming around at night murdering innocent civilians. Their younger groupies might fancy the idea of some excitemment, but could they stay out of the pub long enough to get round to it on a sustained level?
New Canadian prime minister has Caithness roots
Justin Trudeau became the new Prime Minister of Canada on Monday.
Justin Trudeau became the new Prime Minister of Canada on Monday.
CANADA’s new prime minister Justin Trudeau is the second to hold the post to share Caithness family roots.
His great grandfather emigrated from Wick to start a new life in north America more than 100 years ago.”
Says, the John o Groat journal and Caithness Courier. Interesting how tory BBC led media here in the UK zone never ever mention Canadian PM’s a Scot, yet the whole tory freak show goes planet toryboy mental on Heil Trump’s Scottish ancestry.
Its maybe because Canadian PM Justin Trudeau is not a UK tory Ligger Neil grade tory roaster, like Heil Trump, maybe.
I think someone should tell Reynardthefox that tweeting about your gun license in that way is a good way to go about losing said license.
I can’t read through all that gibbering darkness, Rev. Had to stop for boaking and skip to the end. Point made, sir *retch* point made.
Artyhetty says:
13 February, 2017 at 1:26 pm
David@1.02pm
So Heedtracker questions your motive, and your response is to insult him. Classic attempt to divide on this forum!
What!? My ickle wickle hurt feelings. There are loads of ways to sow fear and doubt.
That dude’s is a good example.
Might also be worth pointing out the obvious differences between here and Northern Ireland.
For one thing we’re on the same island as England and Wales which makes tracking suspected terrorists across borders kind of problematic. Especially if they have to institute border posts whilst Scotland is still part of the UK.
We generally don’t have the general religious divisions there were and still are in Northern Ireland no matter how much shameless unionists electoral candidate want to stir them up.
I’ll give you that some of us don’t particularly like the English. However generally that’s specific odious examples of wind up merchants rather than the whole nation.
Police are generally under the control of Holyrood and what little land forces the army has left will be further reduced for the same reason Scottish Soldiers were confined to barracks in 1919
Hopefully after May the majority of councils in Scotland will be under SNP control. That means that there’ll be no OO Walk in support of a NO vote just before polling day meaning no cover reason for large bodies of men from NI coming over just in time for a mini riot in George Square. Even then the Police might decide to simply not allow it to go ahead if there’s been an upsurge in violence during the campaign period.
The mayhem of George Sq on the day after the IndyRef1 was nothing less than a warning to us about what would be kicking off to destroy a Yes vote and a warning to us not to try it again.
OO and their enforcing wing organised it probably at the behest of old NI contacts.
Using the same logic concerning whether the public want a referendum. The EU vote would probably never have happened. When it was announced support for Brexit was lucky to get 42% support. That grew during the campaign and they eventually won. So basing a referendum on an opinion poll is utter shite!
At the moment support for yes is between 46- 49%. So if the public are evenly split on actual voting intention, and they elected a pro indi majority. Then clearly the matter is up in the air. Add to the mix the EU vote and I see no justifiable reason not to proceed.
Quite a shock, a job for the Polis!
In all seriousness, given the option of an Independent Scotland or Brexit, Trump and continuous Tory rule over Scotland for the foreseeable future, I genuinely cannot understand why any reasonable minded Scot would want to vote ‘No’ and have these types of people rule over us and control our lives and Scotland’s future.
Unhinged.
That’s the word I’m looking for. Unhinged.
Remove a parliament, remove the democratic voting rights of citizens and residents, proclamations of potential violence against peaceful parties and individuals, civil unrest.
That’s yer better togetherness right there that is. That’s the cringe on steroids and a political and media narrative of hatred and othering gone off reservation. The morality free zones that created this narrative have lost control of it and the result is?
A thoughtless and ill considered Brexit and the creation of the fear and rage driven ultra yoon.
A big well done to the political class who created both monstrosities and good luck with that ‘one nation’ unity all pulling together pitch.
They’ve done a bang up job on social cohesion so far.
FFS!
The Scotland In Unionist, Archie McPherson is a right scumbag too, he was a close associate of Arthur Thompson of Glasgow Gangland Fame:
link to dailyrecord.co.uk
It is worth noting that while we are cautiously optimistic they do sound absolutely beside themselves with fury. I think they know that the Union is on a shoogly peg.
Honestly, we are supposed to be the scary cybernats and when do we ever sit here talking about shooting people and torturing them to death. The occasional chuckle when they lose an argument on TV maybe but death and destruction? That is Yoon territory.
Make no mistake – we are the nice ones in this debate. I have fair degree of confidence that a great many of the same people above would have disturbing opinions on the EU, immigrants and the poor too.
FFS Rev watch out. It is seriously going to get much worse. Don’t be a martyr.
If “History Woman” knows anything about history she will know that she is displaying the characteristics of and utterances of the real NAZI party. As are most of those who agree with her. It may take some time but truth will win the day.
Like many of you have stated already. Do not react to their hate rants and report it to the police if personal.
Maybe in our postings we should have two classes of yoons. One called yoons meaning decent folk fighting for the union and YNP (yoonionist Nazi party)
Billy Fullerton, founder of the ‘Billy Boys’ started the Glasgow branch of Mosleys Blackshirts after Mosley began his Nazi Party of GB.
Once this was no longer sustainable because of WW2 Fullerton started Glasgow/Scottish branch of the Klu Klux Klan!
This is the roots of a lot of the ‘Staunch Unionists’ we see on the Scotland in Union type comments pages.
This is why they hate the SNP/Yesers so much, because we expose who they really are, not only to others but to themselves.
You can bet that Batshit Jill didn’t just stumble across the history of the Nazi’s and learned enough to be able to write books and teach the subject, her fascination goes far deeper than that, and so does most of her ilk.
We saw that Duncan Hothersall was copied into the comments, so I wonder if Dunc has ever considered the kind of politics he really supports.
It’s easy to spout the internationalist socialist brotherhood nonsense he does because it makes him feel all red inside, but the independence cause has shown him up time and time again for who he really is and I’m just using him as one example among many we could all easily mention.
Journalists, politicians (and Murdo Frazer) Old football commentators and fake nutty professors, all being shown up for the extreme right wing fascists, who will lie, threaten, intimidate, in fact.. almost anything to ensure they control the resources and lives of Scotland and her people.
This is a message that we should try to get out to the elderly, a support for the louder Unionists is a support for the Moseleys Black Shirt/KKK mob.
‘We fought against this lot in WW2’
History Woman seems to be casting the wish for an independent Scotland in the role of the rise of Nazism, and herself in the role of brave Michelle from the Résistance.
Her posts are both bizarre and quite disgusting, to the extent that I find it disturbing that the mainstream media see her as respectable enough to give a platform to.
@galamcennalath says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:30 pm:
” … I think it may be time for the moderates to rein in the nutters.”
I think you may be wrong and nothing the moderates can now do is going to stop them. The time for moderates to act passed them by long, long ago.
When the likes of the o/o, JKR, Spanner, Murdo, Ian Smart and even Terry Kelly and their like were encouraged and supported, the moderates lost their chance to rein them in.
That chance will not return very soon – if ever. Reading the Rev Stu’s examples shows it is well out of hand right now. If people get away with such talk on-line it tells us something that we must not forget. The Establishment are not going to act but have, and will continue, to encourage it. They always have.
Is it desperate trolling from the Yoons, hoping to get someone stupid enough on the YES side to take a pop at them (literally) or just an excercise in collecting some tweets for the papers ?
On the other hand, have they lost the plot ?
O/T sort of.
James O’Brien on LBC this morning revealed (well it was news to me anyway) that when Michael Gove recently met Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch was sitting in a corner of the room.
Birds of a feather…
One of the Nazi’s tricks in gaining power was having a private army which went around causing violence, then claiming that they needed to gain power so as to stop all the violence!
Something similar going on here: The Yoons trying to whip up hatred, then they will claim that the constitutional debate is causing too much acrimony.
‘Can’t help but be a bit amused that the majority of unionist support comes from the over 65s yet these nuts are keen for a civil war. ‘
Generally the people who start wars don’t fight in them. I suspect even those troublemakers that aren’t in their dotage are aiming to inspire some border line psychotic to go out and hurt someone rather than do it themselves.
They would quite happily exterminate all 5.295 million of us without a second thought.
Robert Peffers says:
I’m the eternal optimist and live in hope that not all Unionists are nutjobs. You may be right, the Yoonatics have indeed taken over the UK asylum.
Unionists do seem to make a habit of missing their last chances. They won in 2014 and the Smith Commission was possibly their last chance to secure their Union. And here we all are where we are.
@Joemcg says: 13 February, 2017 at 12:43 pm:
“I really don’t think we have anything to worry about, it’s just a small group of drunken, senile, old people bumping their gums behind a keyboard. Literally!”
Is it, Joemcg? That post, “I have a gun licence and I’m tooled up and ready”, is a very clear and explicit threat.
Translate it into plain English. “I have a gun licence. I have a gun. I’m ready to use it against the Independence supporters”
It could not be clearer. There is no doubt that, “I’m tooled up”, means he has a licenced gun and is ready to use it and he states who the targets are.
@Patrick Roden
“Billy Fullerton, founder of the ‘Billy Boys’ started the Glasgow branch of Mosleys Blackshirts after Mosley began his Nazi Party of GB.
Once this was no longer sustainable because of WW2 Fullerton started Glasgow/Scottish branch of the Klu Klux Klan!”
Funnily enough I watched a recent television programme, presented by one Neil Oliver, about the supposedly close links between Scotland and the KKK, yet surprisingly this relevant fact wasn’t mentioned!
Bugger (le Panda) says:
13 February, 2017 at 1:36 pm
The mayhem of George Sq on the day after the IndyRef1 was nothing less than a warning to us about what would be kicking off to destroy a Yes vote and a warning to us not to try it again.
OO and their enforcing wing organised it probably at the behest of old NI contacts.”
Perhaps, but a couple of hundred er, pro union supporters in George Square pales in comparison to the 2011 riots in England, where effective law and order broke down in most large English cities.
link to en.wikipedia.org
A few thugs in George square, or pretty much the same in and outside football stadiums Sat afternoons, always needs perspective.
If anyone comes across any of these moon-howlers calling for a civil uprising, do what I usually do – say ‘I can’t make it to the revolution because’ of some prosaic excuse
I’m washing my hair, I’m creosoting the fence, I’ve got to go hame fur ma tea etc
The more prosaic the better
It probably won’t improve their mood, but it’ll show them up as the half-pint Wolfie Smiths that they are
The very fact that it is ramping up to this level is really a ‘true’ sign that we are very close to gaining our independence. It’s also indicates that whatever ‘level’ of SNPBad they have tried to promote over the past year…hasn’t worked?
So in reality it really is not working ‘at all’, is it?
Let’s keep it that way. There are literally hundreds of thousands of Scots citizens reading Wings…degrees of separation are so minute in Scotland, it’s hard not to imagine that the reach of Wings ousting this shit is having a real and genuine effect.
The SNP’s ‘numbers’ are not dropping. There is a steady movement toward yes from exNo voters in light of May/Brexit/Toriesforever/Trump in recent months.
This all makes ‘sense’ when you consider that they are ‘losing’ and therefore ‘losing it’ completely, i.e. their sanity. The more their irrational and screeching hysteria is exposed the less inclined will be any ‘average’ citizen to ‘align’ with such brazen nut jobbery.
We definitely are winning.
Guid stuff Rev and ffs stay safe.
“It could not be clearer. There is no doubt that, “I’m tooled up”, means he has a licenced gun and is ready to use it and he states who the targets are.”
Again, perspective, Robert. 2011 England riots did not turn into a shoot out but it could have. One reason the military and police were NOT ordered to shoot, the riots could shoot back.
Richardinho says:
“One of the Nazi’s tricks in gaining power was having a private army which went around causing violence, then claiming that they needed to gain power so as to stop all the violence!”
well funnily enough this was also one of Billy Fullerton and his ‘boys’ techniques as well, they were hired by local political parties, to use violence to break up meeting being held by what was becoming an increasingly popular Scottish Communist Party at the time.
wouldn’t want the Jocks getting ideas about ‘genuine’ socialism.
Have some respect folks, I believe when you are referring to the over 65s that could cover 90% of the Conservative Party membership in Scotland. If memory serves me right they had to abandon the idea of Young Conservatives as they did not have enough members to form a committee. Come to think of it maybe that is why Ruthie got her job. Project a younger image – perhaps?
A thing that the Yoons should bear in mind is that the Yes side gets the bulk of its support from the 45 and under age category and Yoons theirs from the over 65 category.
What are they going to do? Wave their zimmers…refuse to draw their pensions? 🙂
Trying to impose new rules and barring people from voting is a sign of sheer panic. If we actually went down that road then only people born in Scotland would get to vote. We know who would win that! But we are inclusive so we allow the English to vote and the EU nationals and the under 18s. If we win we want to take all of Scotland with us ,not the part we already know agrees with us.
The Yoons rules created Brexit by banning EU nationals from voting. The division is of their own making and they are not bringing this to Scotland!
“What are they going to do? Wave their zimmers…refuse to draw their pensions?”
65 and a zimmer? Oh god. Hope I die before I get old:D
Can you imagine what the scenes will be like in George Square on the night of the YES win the next referendum? The fascist unionists/football fans rioted after they won/stole it last time, will the police stand idly by again during what will be an even bigger rammy? Then get ready for months/years of yoons and their media crying that “the referendum was illegal/non binding” etc etc and they will be bleating for ‘referendum 3’ to rejoin the rUK.
The Voice of Yoonery.
Johann Lamont MSP,Leader of Labour Branch Office on the Telly in February 2014:-
“We’re not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions”.
Must have warmed the cockles of David Mundell and Ruth Davidson.
I have lived in Northern Ireland during the troubles as they were called late sixties early seventies I also lived in Libya when gadaffi took control from idris , I can say with confidence that the threat of civil war and violent clashes is non existent in Scotland, people are well aware that political views can differ after all we have experienced over and over again a huge majority in Scotland voting for a labour government only to be told that England has voted for Conservative so Scotland shall have what England decides.That has happened so so often it’s incredible that people in Scotland have such patience and have put up with it for so long.The fanatics can clearly be seen for what they are, people who support imperialism those same people have a hate off the scale for foreigners especially those of a Muslim faith , they also hate Scottish people who do not support those views.We in Scotland are very good at recognising their racist behaviour.
Peace Peace Peace be with you campaign for the right to run your own country nobody can stop us having a referendum that is a fact.
“What are they going to do? Wave their zimmers…refuse to draw their pensions?”
65 and a zimmer?
Will you still love me, still need me, still be able to go nuts to this, like we used to, when we’re 65?
link to youtube.com
Robert Louis , never heard the wrestle a pig adage before – I like it and it made me smile so thanks!
Heedtracker , the kilt skate is magic and it made me smile too , so thanks!
Mr Peffers , I am with you on the gun threat – unless he is a Walter Mitty type and imagines himself some sort of hard man while being a wimp first class .
Definitely one for the police. Licence revoked , guns confiscated and charged with harassment and threatening behaviour.
Take care Rev and beware of mad old women too!
It has been obvious since Sept 2014 that the YES Campaign should be targeting over 65s and the new 16-18 yearolds. ARE WE??? If not we need to get our finger out.
The main hate thread on Stu seems to be down to his 9/11 comment. I think Stu should clarify the context of this remark. My take on it, not having seen the full dialogue, was that he was being deliberately outrageous towards a troll. The idea that anyone would laugh through it is plainly ridiculous. It doesn’t help that this comment, and others, are cast up against one of the main assets we have in our fight for independence. Having a dark sense of humour is all well and good but when it gives idiots ammunition, and could even threaten a person’s safety, then perhaps it might be best to reign it in a bit. I acknowledge it was a quote from several years ago.
Jeez, that close up of Jill gave me a fleg. She gets nuttier by the day.
No one should have to put up with that sort of abuse. Have the police been sent the stuff above? Some of the comments over the past few weeks from the swivel eyed amongst us on various comments pages and social media is shocking. Real hatred being spewed. I think the yoons are running scared!
Comment from JK?…no? Didn’t think so.
Forgot to say – my zimmer has a YES sticker on it.
I’d hate to be on the wrong side of that history professor (see what I did there?)
‘Can you imagine what the scenes will be like in George Square on the night of the YES win the next referendum?’
If you saw the scenes leading up to the 18th September inclusive, in George Square you would know the sheer numbers that were attending those rallies.
They would and could not touch us in terms of numbers when we win indyref2.
Do not be fooled into believing that we are outnumbered by these so called ‘no’ voters. Cause those in George Square on the 19th September, were not ‘ordinary’ ‘no voters’. That’s a fact.
I’ve nae fear of my fellow citizens rioting in our streets. Because I suspect having won we will have a majority of Scots on board by then? Dinnae let ‘dark thoughts’ bother ye, that’s the very result that those yoontactics above have in mind.
@ heedtracker
I’m about to get very tedious and nerdy here (it would help to read this in Mr Bean’s voice)… but if that ‘shoot back’ worry ever was a reason the police didn’t open fire, then it was a teenie wee fraction of the other reasons why they didn’t. The main reason would’ve been mass public sympathy for the rioters, which would’ve been a complete volte face that the establishment would have lost control over.
A few pistols and sawn-off shotties would not have made a battle of attrition a concern for the authorities; their assault rifles and sniper rifles – let alone light tanks – would have made tomato sauce of any armed civvies.
Armchair general at ease. Sah!
And I reckon Reynardthefox neither has a gun nor a license. He’s probably just puffing himself up. Still a stupid boy, though.
Hope you have all had a look at heedtrackers links to the Kilt skate.
There you will see something to cheer you – the obvious pride and enjoyment in their Scottish connections .
We could sure use their help in the fight for independence.
Whatever happens we are up against a hostile Unionist Press and complicit BBC who will just ignore any threats or violence against YES supporters but like the Daily Mail stoke up Unionist indignation
link to dailymail.co.uk
Gun Licence?………it’s a firearms certificate in the UK, but that’s probably too difficult to spell correctly.
Harry
The original comment on 9/11 was nothing to do with politics. It was from a gamers board and Stu had said some nice things about a new game (he was noted for his fierce criticism in the gaming circles). The gamers were all “Stu has mellowed, been abducted by aliens” etc., Stu came out with a burst of random outrageousness and they were like “LOL its OK it is the real Stu”. Even Duncan Hotandcoldtaps withdrew his criticism when he saw the original context and said “OK it was clearly a joke”.
I think most of these Yoons know the original context but as it is all the have they lie to themselves…which is something they are experts at if they believe the Better Together rubbish.
K1
The Queen’s Cowards only turned up in George Street on the 19th September 2014 because they thought we were beat. George Street on the morning of a YES vote would be full of tens of thousands of indy supporters. The hardcore Brit Nats wouldn’t dare go near George square in that event. They would simply crawl back and sulk in the shadows from whence they came.
Westminster needs this to get violent.
They can’t win anyother way.
They know violence and they are good at it.
These useful idiots are champing at the bit to “defend” what ever it is they think they are defending,also because they think they can win.
We need to be smarter than that and keep our own hot head’s in line.
Westminster mostly doesn’t want any competition for London, which an Independent Scotland will surely be.
If it were me, I would try to delay a referendum till after Brexit,then the Court’s would be mine and Scotland can “forget it”,this is where I found the remarks about Holyrood not getting another referendum on it’s own terms to be a bit sinister, I suspect that it’s the date Westminster is going to play with.
I think they will try to say that Brexit is first and then the Scot’s can vote,they will try and portray this as reasonable.
Then break their word and not allow one at all.
That’s what I would do….And I have time to prepare for any backlash.
Any resulting unrest would allow me to shut Holyrood,and I could be confident that there would be Scot’s around to help.
Worst case …. I can’t stop a referendum,and, I loose it,then I need chaos in Scotland for as long as possible to hold it back until London gets too far ahead to be threatened by Scotland’s economic activity.
They managed to keep the pot boiling in Ireland for decades!
As I said they are good at this violence thing!
Now that’s what THEY can do…..But WE don’t have to let them.
When all is said and done they really only have the OO and the racist mobs, which the Media are somewhat restricted in their support, looking too obvious.
Most of them don’t really do subtle.
And it has to be said…. The rent a mob from N Ireland can’t be in two places at once,as the Scot’s version can’t either,so if N Ireland’s not going to wear this Brexit shit either then that crew will not be able to jump in to each others countries so easily.
And like last time….They go Edinburgh ….. We go Glasgow.
They only had the one big march,so could keep a lid on the violence, I doubt their orginisers could do that on a regular basis, espically if they were loosing.
So as well as letting Westminster be Westminster,we need to let Yoons be Yoons and Goons be Goons.
Step back and let then revert to type,in front of everyone,and the votes will keep on coming.
Careless:
George
StreetSquareThe number of great posts I have ruined with typos. 🙁
Of all the comments above, the person claiming to be tooled up and prepared to shoot supporters of the party of government is probably overdue for having his firearms certificate rescinded. I am sure it just bluster but it is particularly stupid bluster.
Dorothy Devine
It is great to see Scots across the planet. There’s far more in the USA though.
Anyway back to the planet toryboy Scotland in union we still have to contend with, every time you look.
You also have to check publication dates with the great toryboy lie machine too, as this vote SLab for federal UK zone Bettertogetherness, could have been farted in to the ether any time in the last decade, it’s 14 hours ago:-(
link to archive.is
In a speech at University College London tonight, Ms Dugdale will again reject independence and reaffirm her desire for Scotland to work as closely as possible with other EU countries.
However the motion also admits the Brexit vote and the results of the 2014 referendum “showed the appetite for change across our country”.
Ms Dugdale has said the UK Labour Party will soon convene a cross-party convention to devise a federal system for the UK by 2020, followed by a “new Act of Union”.
Completely unscientific,but a week ago I dropped a link to a tune onto WoS,thanks to the informed posters on wings,I noted the view count,on checking it again,this morning it has risen by 355,000…..as stated,not very scientific ,but wow that’s a big number.
No wonder they want to put the brakes on you Rev. I have no doubt when the cops chapped on their doors,following their online threats,many a Laura Ashley couch would have been shat on.
Keep on doing,what your doing,please,it is seems to be driving ‘Miss Daisy’ and her chauffeur’s completely bonkers.
😉
Paula had a confirmed sighting of Spanner at their Christmas party.
The Yoons are upset that I got Steve Sayers permanently banned from Twitter, you’re welcome.
Many more Yoon Trolls to be outed soon!
@Reluctant Nationalist says: 13 February, 2017 at 1:30 pm:
” … I think someone should tell Reynardthefox that tweeting about your gun license in that way is a good way to go about losing said license.”
Well! Reluctant Nationalist, considering Reynardthefox, not only claims to have the licence, he/she/it also claims to be, “tooled Up”.
Now I might be old, but not that old to not know that, “being tooled up”, means he also has the gun, or guns, and furthermore he says he is ready to use it and has stated a target. Now if that is not a direct threat and a matter for the English police force to investigate and prosecute – what is?
Reluctant Nationalist says:
13 February, 2017 at 2:38 pm
@ heedtracker
I’m about to get very tedious and nerdy here (it would help to read this in Mr Bean’s voice)… but
Yes that is and was their reality. Real anarchy in the UK, its not exactly the UK that’s sold around the world. It came close according to cop friends, really when rioters got close enough to assault Prince Charles and whatsherface, in his limo leaving the theatre, during the height of the riots. It literally came down to shoot at will, its your call, on the ground.
History woman appears to be someone with a fascination of rigid, positivistic modes of Victorian thought, specifically fascism. As such, the fluid nature of contemporary society may have escaped her notice.
@HistoryWoman
It might be a good idea to reacquaint yourself with reality hen, so that you are able to communicate from a perspective of connectedness. Here’s a nautically themed essay I thought might help you on your way to re-connecting with the world. Best hud yer wheesht until such time, as you could do with developing a sense of negritude. That might help you stop making such a spectacular spectacle of yourself.
link to moussemagazine.it
nodrog says:
13 February, 2017 at 2:31 pm
Forgot to say – my zimmer has a YES sticker on it.
Sting is 65. Oh god.
link to youtube.com
Yoons, hanging too good for them
The irony of a professor being THAT thick.
I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? 🙂
I haven’t long to go…I want a turbo booster on mine…we were promised jet packs after all
Wow.Imagine if that had been anyone supporting yes to independence.
What i can never get my head around is that if the Union is so wonderful why do ‘these’ people not spend their time promoting the positive case for it instead of getting angry and aggresive at those people who want to leave it?
Surely it sells itself?
Stay safe Mr Campbell.
HandandShrimp says:
13 February, 2017 at 3:02 pm
I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? ?
I haven’t long to go…I want a turbo booster on mine…we were promised jet packs after all
Grandad 😀
link to jetpackaviation.com
Tartan trews too!
@ Walter Hamilton
Put a sock in it, shit stirrer. We choose the ballot, not the bullet. Period.
Now away and #indy-soon-so-hug-a-yoon
Anyone in Scotland would be able to publish a whole tome of lies we’ve had from the unionist over the past say 55 years.
These unionists should be held to account and made to explain where all our industries and jobs are today, that were told in 1978 can only be secure by remaining as part of the UK
Labour talking about a Federal solution, again.
Jeez, will someone tell them the closing date for submissions to the Smith Commission is well past!
Aweright Luigi @ 2:43/45 pm
Ye were kinda right the first time anyways.. and in addition to Freedom / George Square being packed with YES revellers..
YES winners will also surround the adjoining streets of:
West George Street, North Hanover Street, North Frederick Street, George Street, Cochrane Street, South Frederick Street, Hanover Street, Queen Street and St Vincent Place.
All of us Glaswegians will be there, in our HOME square.
I Love Glasgow.
Game on.
X.
heedtracker: ‘It literally came down to shoot at will, its your call, on the ground.‘
Yikes!
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Robert Peffers: ‘Now if that is not a direct threat and a matter for the English police force to investigate and prosecute – what is?‘
I agree. And he didn’t even frame the tweet in conditional subjunctive or hypothetical terms, so I suspect he’ll have his collar felt. Ha.
We have probably all experienced this hate. Whilst I was standing outside a polling station during the referendum with my hi visit SNP vest, an elderly man and his son passed. The son said all SNP voters would be one day put against a wall, and he could not wait.
I smiled at him and asked if he supported independence. Angry was not the word.
It is strange how he made value judgements about me without ever knowing anything about me at all. Hate is perfidious and it was a classic example of how hate can spread for no viable reason other than having a “hive” mindset.
HandandShrimp says:
13 February, 2017 at 3:02 pm
I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? ?
I haven’t long to go…I want a turbo booster on mine…we were promised jet packs after all
No chance of jet packs. Your zimmer will need to be wind assisted.So keep eating the curries!!!
‘George
StreetSquare on the morning of a YES vote would be full of tens of thousands of indy supporters. The hardcore Brit Nats wouldn’t dare go near George square in that event. They would simply crawl back and sulk in the shadows from whence they came.’Kinda ‘exactly’ ma point Luigi. 🙂
They would be ‘seriously’ outnumbered and they were not representative of ‘no voters’ in Scotland.
Donald Trump Vladimir Putin Teresa May Benjamin Netanyahu.
That’s Satans 4 horseman of the apocalypse in place.
Time to pucker up people.
OH dont click on the daily mail link unless you have a shower afterwards , or maybe a bath that might work better HA HA , The mail link is got to be the biggest hate filled Hatchet job ever , the only thing is they can’t cover up are the cops face to face with unionist hate filled faces , contrast that with the happy “YES” supporters .in their quest to show “YES” supporters in a bad light they only managed to capture HATE on the Unionists supporters faces , well done the Mail keep it up boys you are doing our job for us , Hip ,Hip .
Robert P- unlikely I know, but you make a good point and you just don’t know. What if this Reynard did shoot someone and yet the police have not acted on that warning he made, just who is accountable?
HandandShrimp says:
13 February, 2017 at 3:02 pm
I’m not going to live the zimmer frame comment down am I? ?
Sting is 65. This is the the the last one I promise:D
Giant steps are what you take, Walking on the Yoon.
link to youtube.com
Watch out for the buzzwords like when they say “Pal” I don’t think they really mean it y’know
Or the very famous one “Haw” dead giveaway that
Facial expressions: The grin revealing a lack of dentistry that usually slides up the one side of the face, strikes terror in all who view it
Lastly the misspelled Tattoo either on fingers or forearms usually denoting a particular organisation or in relation to ones female parent
If all these are spotted and accompanied by an obviously needlessly shaven head, running for dear life or making loud help police noises are the preferred option
Bob MACK
Yes that hatred that seems to run through some of these people like the writing on a stick of rock. A wise saying I came across said that “the only thing we should hate is hate itself” Lot of truth in that.
If you really feel the need to wash your eyes out with bleach, take a keek at Andrew Skinner FB page (him of Scotland in Union fame)
He claims “Love politics, history & international affairs. Love my country (the UK). Loathe nationalism”
“Loathe nationalism” Presumably only the Scottish variety? The British version is presumably OK?
Wonder if these people will ever get over their burning hatreds?
I dont have or use twitter , the clue is in the name for me… however those that do might want to refer onwards their lecturers views to the student union.
link to twitter.com
Quite important right now with LGBT awarenes and student elections ongoing… Slutgate?
Ah ‘sense’ a new article brewing. Could be wrang could be richt. Graphman has some ‘interesting’ ‘friends’ along wi a lot of familiar faces too eh?
*slowly…reaches for popcorn…*
In the manner so beloved of Unionist activists:
“FACT: 2 or 3 years after Independence, 4 million people of Scotland will be telling everyone they voted YES”.
Correction
In the manner so beloved of Unionist activists:
“FACT: 2 or 3 years after Independence, 4 million people of Scotland of voting age will be telling everyone they voted YES”.
Peace, Love and Harmony to all who strive “Not Fight” for a homeland that we can be proud of.
People, some of these clowns are obviously deranged please be careful and vigilant, especially watch your children if they are wearing any SNP badges or suchlike.The yoons teach their children to foster the same hatred that they themselves are steeped in.
Peace Always
Hardly needs to be said but it will make me feel better.
A collapsing post imperial state which has reached the point of voting for huge economic self harm to indulge its own xenophobia is bound to produce a fringe of demented hysterics like these.
They existed in the end days of the USSR, Nazi Germany and probably right back to the fall of the Roman Empire.
I’m not the immediate target so it’s easy to say but we must all keep our nerve, hold on to each other and, “Push ! Push ! They Fail !!”
65. Ah, those were the days. 🙂
Come on folks, this nothing more than a bunch of gob-shites spouting out hot air. Normal people don’t back facist wankers like Gallagher, Stephenson and the rest of that dung ridden crew, they can see through them a mile away.
They know we have the numbers, and while social media allows them to act hard, that’s ALL IT IS! AN ACT.
Screw them – its our country, and if they don’t like it they can fucking move.
Cheers.
@nodrog says: 13 February, 2017 at 2:30 pm:
“It has been obvious since Sept 2014 that the YES Campaign should be targeting over 65s and the new 16-18 yearolds. ARE WE??? If not we need to get our finger out.”
Stop being a bloody fool, nodrog.
It has been explicitly explained many times. Being old, young or in-between cannot predispose anyone to be a unionist. That’s just bloody stupidity. Thus look for the reasons that do predispose people to be unionists and do not be stupid enough to be side-tracked.
The main reason the unionists have a higher proportion of older people is entirely due to the changing patterns of political support – not the other way round as you seem to imagine.
In political terms the SNP are a younger political party. Thus their support is drawn from a handful of we older SNP members who struggled to get anywhere whatsoever for many years. There was nothing else but Westminster Unionist parties except in Ireland and the SNP were classed along with them.
For God sake, Arthur Donaldson’s home was raided by MI5 & the police and accused on being a NAZI. To this day no evidence of the claimed large quantity of arms and Nazi documents has ever been produced and Donaldson was never charged.
So when the SNP began to make headway they were drawing upon the younger age groups for support and membership and conversely the Yoons were established among the older age groups.
Ergo the Yoons are older because they are Yoons, not Yoons because they are older. To thus target them especially should not be because they are older but because they are yoons and believe it or not, there are Yoons of all ages.
Target Yoons because they are Yoons for targeting older folks because they are older is a total waste of your and their time and based upon a really stupid theory.
Another tool they’re trying to deploy is partition and division. The idea is that somehow the Borders will joyfully decide to split of from Scotland and become part of Northern England just so they can be neglected with them. Also Shetland, Orkney, the Hebrides and any others will all clamour to remain part of the UK. Not forgetting a few scraps of land around the NE mainland. The above would allow a claim on significant portion of our share of the continental shelf and the completely worthless oil and gas deposits.
To be fair Shetland does extend Scotland’s potential EEZ by a fair bit so being an enclave of the UK isn’t realistic. The mistake being made though is the assumption that having made a break from mainland Scotland they would opt to stay part of the UK rather than seek to rejoin Norway. Orkney, on the other hand, would be an enclave if Shetland stayed part of Scotland.
Rockall is really only of minor interest in that it’s irrelevant as far as determining EEZ’s so why the UK might consider stealing it from Scotland is anyone’s guess. The Isle of Man probably wouldn’t be interested in leaving the UK but it’s status as a Crown Dependency presents that as an interesting prospect. Same goes for the Channel Islands. If the Kingdoms of Scotland and England do split and there’s an insistence that Scotland is not the pre-union Kingdom of Scotland it follows that our share of the Crown isn’t necessarily limited to just everything within our borders.
Correction
In the manner so beloved of Unionist activists:
“FACT: 2 or 3 years after Independence, 6 million people of Scotland will be telling everyone they voted YES, so proud will they be of Scotland”.
That’s better.
A huge case study, nice work Rev C..
By the way.. My son is considering a history degree..
If that psychotic professor is typical of standard of the lecturers, maybe he should think again.
@mike 3.27
The fifth horseman is Fear.
Walter Hamilton
Nae body is hining any body Walter….
After Indy the Westminster wind up merchant’s will have nothing to do except explain to their “betters” why they failed.
As for the rest, the poor buggers that were intended to be actually involved in the Violence,they will be back to playing at being Battalions that defend ….The Queen…. I think…With uniforms and everything,well everything except an actual shilling from the Queen.
We won’t be hanging them either….
We might tell them the Queen already has an army,and they too have bands and uniforms,we may even point out it’s a bit disrespectful to the Queen to make out her ain army’s no capable.
But hang them NAW.
We also need tae be careful because as a member of the EU,we need tae be mindful that this Kulture is protected.
And they canny really depend on their Queen protecting them….Ah mean she’s doing a shit Joab with our Soverenty!
They’re diddies. Don’t give them space. Just sit back folks and enjoy the show. And remember: Castigat ridendo mores (laughter works where lecturing won’t).
I know this should have been on previous thread so forgive me.
I live in Willie Rennie,s area and attend Auchtermuchty Health Centre which is now sending out a newsletter complaining that its patients are abusive because we complain too much about the service they give. Wee Willie,s cousin is a Doctor at this Health Centre and seems very nice. Its truly terrible and complaints from village Councils have been sent to Fife Health Board who have done nothing.
Yesterday I was with a crowd of Unionists discussing the Health Centre. They agreed that “they” get much better treatment in England than we do here in Scotland and its the SNP Government to blame!
Nothing I said could convince them otherwise.
I’m fair annoyed!
From the heart of yoon darkness, here we go.
link to bbc.co.uk
Is a second independence referendum looming?
Mind if there is trouble caused by the britnats then the papers winna report it; or if they do it’ll be “Clashes between rivals as independence referendum becomes violent”. Plenty of Soft Nos will not hear about actual britnat thuggery; worse – it will be spun and implied as SNP violence.
We need to be able to counter that.
Excellent article Rev, it shows the Britnats are fearful of Scottish independence, and that they could become violent.
You should ideally report those threats to the police, please be a little bit more vigilant.
Meanwhile I’m under the impression, Dugdale and Davidson are in London, expounding the merits of federalism.
If it’s true in my opinion, flogging a dead horse there.
@Reluctant Nationalist says: 13 February, 2017 at 2:38 pm:
“And I reckon Reynardthefox neither has a gun nor a license. He’s probably just puffing himself up. Still a stupid boy, though.”
I think you miss he important point, Reluctant Nationalist.
Which is not whether the person has, or has not, got a licenced gun. The point is that he says he has and is ready to use it. He may just be a blowhard but there may be someone else out there who isn’t and who could latch onto the idea. We have seen enough cases of people gunned down for no apparent reason – not least the recent case of a murdered MP.
The point is that when such talk begins then it can bring out the nutters but more to the point it can bring out the agents provocateur.
No threat of gunning folks down should be glossed over. If the guy is a blowhard then he gets a scare. If not then a danger has been averted.
We are winning and they are losing the plot.Doesn’t seem like their version of the truth is working out for them, given their hysterical levels of fear, hate, paranoia, insecurity and deeply miserable selves.
I don’t use Twitter and I was shocked by the disgraceful diatribe against Stuart.I am so grateful to Stuart for his relentless courage, integrity and resilience in the face of such an onslaught of personal abuse, intimidation and aggression.I trust the polis will investigate what appears to be criminal behaviour.
It’s like they are trying to protect themselves from the full force of their disappointment that their ( idealised ) Union is well and truly f***ed.Hell mend them.Indyref2 here we come as we continue to rise above the shit storms and hold our collective nerve.
Indefideedly Smallaxe.
There be an important difference, between teaching and learning.
Teaching is what you’re told.
Learning is how YOU discover.
Learning, use all your sense’s, it’s all in the meaning of..
Discover Scotland.
Cheers Bro.
Speaking for myself I actually quite enjoy reading their pathetic little bleats of impotent, inarticulate rage. The only good unionist is an angry and upset unionist, and it’s slowly poisoning them to death.
Re threatening tweets though, if enough complaints were lodged with the police by enough people, and those people continued to DEMAND from the police a full explanation as to why they weren’t taking action, if indeed they took no action, that in and of itself would be something that could be highlighted in a big way throughout all worthwhile media in Scotland. Not because it could end up embarrassing the police but because it would show up to a wider audience exactly what unionists are really all about.
After reading through the nasty bilge above, all I can do is add my voice to those calling for Stu to make a complaint to the police. Reads like hate speech and incitement to violence to me.
Some of those people are full blown fascists. What a sad state the UK is descending into.
Violence is the last refuge of the loser in any argument. the vast majority on both sides of the Independence battle would detest it deteriorating into any kind of violence.
This is why before the referendum you had so much of the MSM trying to apportion blame and attribute violent acts at the feet of the Yes movement and literally making stories up.
If Wings had as many posters as those tweets and facebooks pages shown in the article had anything remotely similar in violent comments btl it would have been closed down long ago and I’m sure some would have found themselves in court.
AS AN EXAMPLE TO OTHERS!
the threat of violence is the last remaining Unionist weapon and it looks like they are thinking of playing that card. Ultimately that will cost them the Union. The great majority of Scots will not fall for that and especially here.
We fight with words, pen is mightier than the sword and all that.
I met Jill Stephenson in a work context and I can assure you all that she’s culturally English through and through. I’m amazed she claims Scottish parentage – but then there have been English colonists living in Scotland for generations, and claiming to be pseudo-Scots when it suits.
Oi, less of the prejudiced against those of us who choose to sport an obviously needlessly shaven head. As I said to some twat in a pub once, Buddhist monks must be a right bunch of feckers. 😉
Sunniva @ 4.23
But was she sane?
Not being funny, I really do wonder about these people.
Having a point of view is one thing…And the ballot box settles that…. but they are not coming across as rational!
TJenny
Just don’t go there. 🙂
The ultra-Yoons that are the OO, the Eastern star etc are beyond redemption – EVER !
The indoctrination into Yoonland begins the minute they are born. their parents, their Grandparents and their entire surrounding circle of OO related “friends” ensure that.
Coming from darkest Lanarkshire, my in-laws are of that ilk. The mother-in-law every year since my kids were born (the youngest now being in her late teens) without fail asked to take them to the “Big Walk”. My wife to her credit refused (being the only one of their 3 children who refused to get involved with it).
The grandmother was similar. A devout church-goer, you should have seen her reaction whenever the pope or Catholics were mentioned. I was never in her company again after one new year where this butter widnae meld grandmother kicked off on a F’ing and blinding tirade against the Pope who was (in her mind) the Anti-Christ.
One of the boozers in my home town was Mad-dog Adair’s first port of call also whenever he was over from the Province to watch Rangers.
Interestingly also with the current outing of a certain SNP candicate having posted support of republican organisations, I can not remember the Scottish press ever outing Flautist extrordinaire Frank B Roy (formerly of Crossmaglen Patriots Republican Flute band) as being a severely bigoted Irish Nationalist. I have friends who knew him from his Ravenscraig days who say he was one of the most bigoted individuals they had ever come across.
And let us not forget that the Ultra-Yoons view several years ago was that a “Vote for the SNP is a Catholic vote”. Such was the diktat from the Grand Master of the OO in Scotland. They will never vote SNP, period – let alone vote for independance.
The Police should be taking action against a number of those if not all of them. These statements go too far and are dangerous. The Historywoman should be charged most definately.
If the police don’t take action they should be question as to why not.
You know the absolute irony and hypocrisy of this Union uber alles Tory/Labour Union of the cult love in.
If there was NO SNP and therefore NO talk of Independence.
Who would Jill and her unhappy band of fools be attacking on Twitter ?
Would she still be cosying up to JKR , Frances Barber, Duncan H et al and vice versa?
Would they be able to contain themselves and continue their BT alliance and be respectful to the other person’s politics of choice?
I would say that their hate would definitely transcend and continue onto plain old party politics because they are so driven by hatred that they fall into the extreme right ideology i.e. they are opposing and defending against the other side who are the ENEMY.
Also their affinity with UKIP is quite obvious as both they and UKIP create division and hatred . Perhaps they would be better just conceding that they have adopted a collective UKIP position in their political thinking.
If, as they state, SNP was such an irrelevance then why all the fuss?
You always know when you are winning an argument when the other side resorts to violence, intimidation and abuse. Their behavior is indicative of WHO they ARE and WHAT they REPRESENT. However they themselves do incite any abuse directed at them through their disgusting and hateful comments, which is their ultimate objective so that they can cry out ‘victim of cybernats’.
Personally I think we should never ever resort to violence as violence is a sign of weakness and it is not WHO we ARE or WHAT we REPRESENT. We are strong together and can win our argument for Indy through fairness and truth not corruption and lies.It is their shame that they resort to such measures to communicate their message but it is with pride that we do not.
Indy 1
Union 0
Got that off my chest and feel better to have had this platform to voice my opinion in a peaceful way.
Robert Peffers says:
13 February, 2017 at 3:51 pm
@nodrog says: 13 February, 2017 at 2:30 pm:
“It has been obvious since Sept 2014 that the YES Campaign should be targeting over 65s and the new 16-18 yearolds. ARE WE??? If not we need to get our finger out.”
Stop being a bloody fool, nodrog.
I am not going to get into am argument with you Mr Peffers. I will simply disagree as we know the voting numbers.
However I will say this – watch your language – that is a disgraceful comment.
Use all of your sense’s..
Do they look right?
Do they taste right?
Do they feel right?
Do they sound right?
Do they smell right?
Nae fear!
And then there’s yer own intuitive intuition.
Trouble is, they’re right.
Westminster could (and can) simply vote to abolish the Scottish parliament. Given that all unionist parties are anti-indy and the Tories and UKIP have always been anti-devolution (and Labour probably thoroughly agree NOW, given that it didn’t kill the SNP stone dead as planned), it seems highly likely any post Brexit government would desperately want to do that.
And we now know absolutely and certainly from Brexit and its aftermath that the Sewel convention doesn’t matter and Scotland is treated simply as “a minority” of the UK electorate as a whole, the UK being “the country” as far as “unionists” are concerned. (No matter that it begs the question of just what “union” it is they think their protecting if they don’t believe Scotland is a country at all).
So all it would need is a UK party to stick abolishing Holyrood in its manifest and hey presto! As soon as they’re voted in by “the UK electorate” it wouldn’t matter if they didn’t have a single vote beyond History Woman and Effie Deans in Scotland. The would be “the will of the British people”, just as Brexit is.
The Yes side needs to ram this home this time: we simply can’t afford to take our chances in a post-Brexit Britain. If we do, we’ll have effectively, or genuinely, signalled twice to the EU and world that we’re happy being just a region of the, and happy living under those rules where we have zero say as a country on what happens to us. And that includes Holyrood and devolution. Effie Deans is NOT WRONG in that tweet, and that’s the truly terrifying thing.
btw, they will want to do that not just purely for conviction politics, but because a trade deal with Trump’s US that includes the NHS will demand it. Trump isn’t going to accept, “the English NHS is part of this deal but not the whole UK because it’s devolved.” For the necessity of including *the entire UK* NHS in any trade deal, devolution will have to be at the very least severely rolled back, probably abolished. The English electorate isn’t going to fight Scotland’s corner in that case – they’ll mostly be delighted.
Yes, the Yoonatics have taken over the asylum.
Not that ‘asylum’ is a word that exists in their dictionary, at least not in regard to child refugees.
Someone should pass onto the Uncle Tams the latest poll results over on the “Scots go Pop” site, that should tighten up a few earse-holes in the yoon camp.
link to facebook.com
NICOLA STURGEON·MONDAY, 13 FEBRUARY 2017
Pay close attention to what the Tories say over the next few weeks about powers for the Scottish Parliament – because they’re trying to ditch yet another promise on Brexit.
Reading through this stuff, the tweets etc, two aspects clearly present themselves:
1. There is a degree of what psychologists refer to as projection – of character, attitudes and behaviour – which has gone beyond zeolotry and extremism and has now reached psychotic levels.
2. The approach employed – language, low analytical abilities, threats etc – even by those with formal academic qualifications (sic) demonstrates a level of emotional immaturity that would make even a mardy three year old blush with embarrassment.
It is indeed sad to witness so many fake grown up’s spitting their dummies out because they do not possess the maturity to accept any other world view than what exists within their own heads.
I feel sick…..Can they not see their own Hysteria?
My big fear is that Scotland will turn into Northern Ireland of the 70’s if we get independence.
New Indy poll for The Guardian just released:
“Should Scotland be an Independent Country?”
YES 56%
NO 41%
D/K 3%
Now – how can I say this? I think the above stat is what we presently call ‘Fake News’. But at least here on WoS we TELL you when it’s fake news. I just wanted a few yoons to choke on their bile and venim for a moment or two.
There, there – that better now?
But they’re losing anyway and they really, really don’t like it.
#indy-soon-go-hug-a-yoon
* venom * (naturally.
And another one on the Edinburgh Evening News site. 24,000 votes so far. YES 50% NO 43% DK 7%. Why are all these polls with HUGE voting numbers putting yes in the lead but the “official” ones with only 1000 participants are putting no in the lead?
As Jill and her fellow yoons shout “fire!” in packed theatres, and tory BBC relentlessly lying how everything is really great under tory Brexit Mayhem, Press Association made an audio vid of UK zone reality,
link to on.aol.co.uk
So Labour are going to have a chat about federalism soon, are they? Will that be after they start a campaign to stop buying Outspan oranges to bring down apartheid, and decry the regime of the Shah of Iran?
“My big fear is that Scotland will turn into Northern Ireland of the 70’s if we get independence.”
Mine is whether or not my idiot neighbour got even louder strimmer for his Xmas.
Chillax.
Cathy @ 4.52
It seems that the UK Supreme Court disagrees with you about who can abolish the Scottish Parliament.
From the recent judgement in the Gina Millar appeal:
“”149. In the Scotland Act 2016, the recognition of the Sewel Convention occurs alongside the provision in section 1 of that Act. That section, by inserting section 63A into the Scotland Act 1998, makes the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish government a permanent part of the United Kingdom’s constitutional arrangements, signifies the commitment of the UK Parliament and government to those devolved institutions, and declares that those institutions are not to be abolished except on the basis of a decision of the people of Scotland voting in a referendum. This context supports our view that the purpose of the legislative recognition of the convention was to entrench it as a convention. “”